Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Talk => Topic started by: Guest on March 21, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
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Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?
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Anything is possible with Michael. Who knows. Cannot say for sure..
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Anything is possible with Michael. Who knows. Cannot say for sure..
Sure..and the funny thing is,you would never know,as Michael Jackson wouldn't admit it, and the name 'Troll' is given to anyone who says they are Michael Jackson.Catch 22 springs to mind.
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Anything is possible with Michael. Who knows. Cannot say for sure..
Sure..and the funny thing is,you would never know,as Michael Jackson wouldn't admit it, and the name 'Troll' is given to anyone who says they are Michael Jackson.Catch 22 springs to mind.
If Michael Jackson used any forumsthough,I'd imaggine this would be the one,because it's orange,his fave colour.
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
Thankyou..lol...you're so sweet.
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
Thankyou..lol...you're so sweet.
you're welcome. :D and thanks. :oops: :)
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
That would be my first guess too. I don't think he has the time for reading all the things we write but I can imagine him wanting to be informed by someone who he can trust and knows about the hoax.
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
MJFAN7 you are on the right track. TS seems to know alot of things. I do feel that he is close to Michael, in some sort.. Maybe he is Michael who knows.
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Anything is possible with Michael. Who knows. Cannot say for sure..
Sure..and the funny thing is,you would never know,as Michael Jackson wouldn't admit it, and the name 'Troll' is given to anyone who says they are Michael Jackson.Catch 22 springs to mind.
If Michael Jackson used any forumsthough,I'd imaggine this would be the one,because it's orange,his fave colour.
In that case, let´s hope that Souza does not change the colour or Michael will never come back :lol: Always hear MJ favs were red, black and blue...btw
"Trolls" ...what memories!!...Trolls....t.r.o.l.l.s...trolls
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I've read that Michael's fave color is RED. Have you read otherwise?
And...hey...we have a GUEST on this thread..asking if Michael comes on there as a GUEST!! lol
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
That would be my first guess too. I don't think he has the time for reading all the things we write but I can imagine him wanting to be informed by someone who he can trust and knows about the hoax.
I agree with both of you. I have thought to many times that T.S is Michael. T.S did say (please correct me if I'm wrong) , that he is a male.
I am going to reread some of the things he has told us. I think that would be the best thing to do.
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yeah sure. why not? I'm sure that he is checking out the forum. :)
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I think I have been the only one on this forum saying that orange was his favorite color, funny how someone else suddenly mentions it.
Van Gogh was a wonderful artist, who died poor and was never really understood. Tragic when you see how appreciated his work is now. I know some of his descendants. Unfortunately his talent wasn't inherited by them.
But VanGogh, why your question? And to answer it: yes I am pretty positive he is on this forum. Definitely reading, most likely posting as well. I would be surprised if he wasn't. He's on fan forums too. and this hoax is a masterpiece and he would definitely want to know what we're up to in here and what we think of it. I would do the same and I think we all would, so why woouldn't he? Busy? Probably, but everyone has a few minutes a day to spare.
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TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
Michael Jackson may be a member here, it is possible but I doubt it.
Michael Jackson has others who would watch the forums for him.
They might participate but they would not direct the investigations.
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I am always so surprised about the many people that come in here who know about the hoax! MJ must have many many people involved... :?
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TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
Michael Jackson may be a member here, it is possible but I doubt it.
Michael Jackson has others who would watch the forums for him.
They might participate but they would not direct the investigations.
WoW we have a new informer here! :lol:
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I think I have been the only one on this forum saying that orange was his favorite color, funny how someone else suddenly mentions it.
Van Gogh was a wonderful artist, who died poor and was never really understood. Tragic when you see how appreciated his work is now. I know some of his descendants. Unfortunately his talent wasn't inherited by them.
But VanGogh, why your question? And to answer it: yes I am pretty positive he is on this forum. Definitely reading, most likely posting as well. I would be surprised if he wasn't. He's on fan forums too. and this hoax is a masterpiece and he would definitely want to know what we're up to in here and what we think of it. I would do the same and I think we all would, so why woouldn't he? Busy? Probably, but everyone has a few minutes a day to spare.
I am always amazed by VanGogh's brother, Theo. He was the younger brother who had supported Vincent's talent in art. He was actually an art dealer himself. I believe he passed away just a few months after Vincent....both in their 30's. Come to think of it, this hoax reminds of a VanGogh painting...layers and layers and layers of paint. In our case, it's layers of information. A masterpiece just the same!
Yes, I think Michael is around us more than we think..........
Blessings Always!
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I don't think he uses this forum....maybe reads...but to post something i doubt.
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WoW we have a new informer here! :lol:
The name is INFORMED not informer.
This means having enough information to understand something.
I have enough information from TS' own posts to understand:
TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
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WoW we have a new informer here! :lol:
The name is INFORMED not informer.
This means having enough information to understand something.
I have enough information from TS' own posts to understand:
TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
Your opinion about TS, doesn't make it a fact "INFORMED"!
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WoW we have a new informer here! :lol:
The name is INFORMED not informer.
This means having enough information to understand something.
I have enough information from TS' own posts to understand:
TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
Well, if you are right and I only say if because he could have lied about who he is, I believe time will only tell us. Who knows maybe we will never know if he was been on here/has an acount/a person close to him has one/if he has posted anything.
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
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I'm sure that Michael reads this board, and like Souza said, I would be surprised if he wasn't lurking on here. Michael will definitely want to be aware of what's being said in the hoax community, and this site is one of the best places to keep track of that. He probably even posts on here from time to time. At the very least, I'm sure that he has someone keeping tabs on us.
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
Hi Souza. Do you think it's a possibility that Michael uses this forum and that he knows who TS is. I have read TS last redirect. Like the ambulance photo. You can see Michael's face in that photo. I'm glad to have a chance to reply to some of the topics. I know I'm off topic, but I had to put that in there. Sorry.
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
Hi Souza. Do you think it's a possibility that Michael uses this forum and that he knows who TS is. I have read TS last redirect. Like the ambulance photo. You can see Michael's face in that photo. I'm glad to have a chance to reply to some of the topics. I know I'm off topic, but I had to put that in there. Sorry.
Why don't you register?
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
Hi Souza. Do you think it's a possibility that Michael uses this forum and that he knows who TS is. I have read TS last redirect. Like the ambulance photo. You can see Michael's face in that photo. I'm glad to have a chance to reply to some of the topics. I know I'm off topic, but I had to put that in there. Sorry.
Why don't you register?
I've been thinking about. Maybe I will.
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I totally agree with you Souza! I think MJ would come on here, check things out, commment, etc.
Re: being busy - Successful people may be busy but they will prioritize and MAKE time for things they want to do. He would NEVER be too busy to come on here if he wanted to. He would find a way to do it. :D
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WoW we have a new informer here! :lol:
The name is INFORMED not informer.
This means having enough information to understand something.
I have enough information from TS' own posts to understand:
TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
:lol: :lol: Sorry that we were unaware that you knew enough about Michael Jackson and his family to know how they would sound on a forum. :roll:
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Souza...Please tell me how you know Michael's fave color is orange and not red....
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Anything is possible with Michael. Who knows. Cannot say for sure..
Sure..and the funny thing is,you would never know,as Michael Jackson wouldn't admit it, and the name 'Troll' is given to anyone who says they are Michael Jackson.Catch 22 springs to mind.
If Michael Jackson used any forumsthough,I'd imaggine this would be the one,because it's orange,his fave colour.
WHAT! all of this top notch investigation work and all of our wonderful sense of community and awareness and ;) absolutely fabulous sense of humor and he chooses on COLOR! :x
michael you cut to the quick :(
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:? I was way off. I thought his favorite color was gold. Silly me, guess I was thinking about his pants :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:? I was way off. I thought his favorite color was gold. Silly me, guess I was thinking about his pants :lol: :lol: :lol:
Everything I've read says red and black and if you type the question into google, it says mostly red and black too...Souza...where does orange come from?
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Oh, I read that somewhere I think, can't remember.
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People can change favourite colours. I liked yellow, now I love green and purple.
MJ's favourite colour is orange now because he associates it with our forum. Thanks MJ.
@guest2...I hope you decide to join and get an account. I remember an amen and thankyou you added to a post of mine and it mean't the world to me.
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Hi Mike! Can you tell us what your favorite color is? 8-) :lol:
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TS is not Michael Jackson.
TS is not a Jackson.
TS is not connected to Michael Jackson or the Jacksons.
TS is not a hoax insider.
TS is not an informer.
TS is a believer and nothing more.
Michael Jackson may be a member here, it is possible but I doubt it.
Michael Jackson has others who would watch the forums for him.
They might participate but they would not direct the investigations.
Same here.
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How many labels do we need?
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Food for a thought or two.
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I don't think he uses this forum....maybe reads...but to post something i doubt.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/4/128806667962927510.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol: TOO CUTE!!! Animals always put a smile on my face.
Maybe MJ is an imPOSTer. It is hard for me to believe he is so I hope we will know some day.
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Uh,,,I can't lie. YES I do. Absolutely!
I also believe that a person who works for TMZ is using the forum. "Harvey" to be exact.
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Uh,,,I can't lie. YES I do. Absolutely!
I also believe that a person who works for TMZ is using the forum. "Harvey" to be exact.
Yeah I think he does.
Silly question, does anyone think Harvey is TS? :lol:
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Anything is possible with Michael. Who knows. Cannot say for sure..
Sure..and the funny thing is,you would never know,as Michael Jackson wouldn't admit it, and the name 'Troll' is given to anyone who says they are Michael Jackson.Catch 22 springs to mind.
If Michael Jackson used any forumsthough,I'd imaggine this would be the one,because it's orange,his fave colour.
Er... that is burnt orange, to you, and, are you sure you don't have him mixed up with Michelangelo? Why was MJ always wearing red, :? if it is not his fave?
But, no matter, I'll talk with him if no one else wants to :lol: . I won't believe anything he says, especially if he comes on stating that he IS MJ, but, I haven't had a Troll to sport with in a while, :P and I haven't had any sporting with me for a long time.
Of course, he is welcome here; he MUST keep a finger on the Pulse of his Hoax but I think any one of us spends more time here in a day than he does, and I'm pretty certain dead men don't post :( .
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I think I have been the only one on this forum saying that orange was his favorite color, funny how someone else suddenly mentions it.
Van Gogh was a wonderful artist, who died poor and was never really understood. Tragic when you see how appreciated his work is now. I know some of his descendants. Unfortunately his talent wasn't inherited by them.
But VanGogh, why your question? And to answer it: yes I am pretty positive he is on this forum. Definitely reading, most likely posting as well. I would be surprised if he wasn't. He's on fan forums too. and this hoax is a masterpiece and he would definitely want to know what we're up to in here and what we think of it. I would do the same and I think we all would, so why woouldn't he? Busy? Probably, but everyone has a few minutes a day to spare.
How do you know orange is his favorite color? I always thought it was red.When I would have to guess I would say, black,red or white, because those colors he wears the most from what I have seen.
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:? I was way off. I thought his favorite color was gold. Silly me, guess I was thinking about his pants :lol: :lol: :lol:
Everything I've read says red and black and if you type the question into google, it says mostly red and black too...Souza...where does orange come from?
Maybe one of MJ's companies--maybe he has so many, he has to color-code them! I saw an unusual movie, which I'd swear MJ did, and it said, "Goldcrest Productions", and then, with "Burnt Orange" (Enterprises or something), at the very beginning, before the movie started. The movie was called, Elvis and Annabelle
( &, just fyi, some of us reviewed it here:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15087&start=50#p269079 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15087&start=50#p269079)).
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Michael Jackson's favorite colors apparently included red, black, silver, and gold.
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A'm almost sure he uses this forum, even if he doesn't post here, he reads it, as much as i know this is the most popular one among other MJ hoax forums
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I don't think he uses this forum....maybe reads...but to post something i doubt.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/4/128806667962927510.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So sweet.
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I wish to be as sure as you do about MJ reading this forum.
His bodyguards once said that they would screen forums and fan sites and give MJ a resume of messages because MJ did not read forums himself. This they did to avoid MJ getting hurt or stressed up. Basically, the messages they passed were supportive messages like "Michael we love you" and so.
If M himself would read this forum, which topics or threads would he go to?
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People can change favourite colours. I liked yellow, now I love green and purple.
MJ's favourite colour is orange now because he associates it with our forum. Thanks MJ.
@guest2...I hope you decide to join and get an account. I remember an amen and thankyou you added to a post of mine and it mean't the world to me.
I agree. :D
I'm always changing favorite colors, I used to like red for the longest time, but then I started to like blue, and then pink, and now my favorite has been sunset orange. :D :lol: I bet next week it will be yellow again. :D
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I don't see why he would not at least read if he was interested. And then, being the hands on person that we know him to be, I am sure he might want to chime in from time to time, getting a good chuckle, when people do not know who he was. If it was me, I sure would be. As far as busy- most of us are busy, but there are such conveniences as ipad, iphone, blackberries, etc- makes checking in on stuff MUCH easier than they used to be.
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If I were hiding out, didn't want to be found, had a PLAN and didn't want it thwarted, you can be SURE if there were a group of people that thought they could prove I'm hiding or alive or where I am, I'D BE CHECKING OUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT ME AND MY PLAN. I may have to change my game plan...lol
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If I were hiding out, didn't want to be found, had a PLAN and didn't want it thwarted, you can be SURE if there were a group of people that thought they could prove I'm hiding or alive or where I am, I'D BE CHECKING OUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT ME AND MY PLAN. I may have to change my game plan...lol
Agreed! :D :lol:
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Agreed. Michael, we will keep you posted on any and everything that’s going on. Your safety is our main concern. What ever you need to know, you can find it here. Make yourself at home and let us work for you for a change 8-) It’s our honor.
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Agreed. Michael, we will keep you posted on any and everything that’s going on. Your safety is our main concern. What ever you need to know, you can find it here. Make yourself at home and let us work for you for a change 8-) It’s our honor.
You are so sweet! If I were MJ I would give you a....
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we did have that (alleged) assistant or whatever of michael kiss pop in that one time and straighten out a comment someone made about him being in costume and the preliminary , so who knows it might not be that far fetched a thought.
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we did have that (alleged) assistant or whatever of michael kiss pop in that one time and straighten out a comment someone made about him being in costume and the preliminary , so who knows it might not be that far fetched a thought.
I remember that...and who knows I'm sure other celebrities come and check this website too.
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If I were hiding out, didn't want to be found, had a PLAN and didn't want it thwarted, you can be SURE if there were a group of people that thought they could prove I'm hiding or alive or where I am, I'D BE CHECKING OUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT ME AND MY PLAN. I may have to change my game plan...lol
Exactly my thoughts. Sometimes I do think that probably Michael is changing or making his plans according to our feelings, or our reactions etc. We shouldn't forget the ARG part of the hoax and we are all interacted with this. We are on the plan for sure. :)
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There was a time when I was so sure....now I don't know what to think ...it's a little difficult to read a forum when you are dead......
But if he is alive I think yes, he is reading and posting and talking to the members here
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Fordtocar.....the colour of your font is ORANGE..rofl...I love that!
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I also think Michael is here among us.......why not? It's such an easy way to access the believers, and i'm sure he haven't made the hoax just for himself, i mean the clues are there for a reason. I think Michael being here or other hoax site would be a really smart move. And we all know how intelligent he is! ;)
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Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?
Yes. don't you? :roll:
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I'm sure he does; and if he's reading this, Michael, I am so sorry for the loss of Elizabeth, I know how much she meant to you. You and her family are in my prayers. She's in a better place, out of suffering. <3
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I'm sure he does; and if he's reading this, Michael, I am so sorry for the loss of Elizabeth, I know how much she meant to you. You and her family are in my prayers. She's in a better place, out of suffering. <3
MJFAN,you sound so kind and caring with your words.
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Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?
Yes. don't you? :roll:
Whilst I find MJFAN so kind and caring with her beautiful words,Papillon bleu,I find your rolling eyes very rude and hurtful,as it makes me feel my question was a stupid one....I mean.....how dare I ask such a darn stupid question.
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
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There was a time when I was so sure....now I don't know what to think ...it's a little difficult to read a forum when you are dead......
But if he is alive I think yes, he is reading and posting and talking to the members here
plz Ginafelicia,don't stop believing that MJ IS alive. we need you too.
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I'm sure he does; and if he's reading this, Michael, I am so sorry for the loss of Elizabeth, I know how much she meant to you. You and her family are in my prayers. She's in a better place, out of suffering. <3
MJFAN,you sound so kind and caring with your words.
Thank you. :) I know what it's like to lose a bestfriend to death, and that's why I send my deepest condolences to Michael and Elizabeth's family.
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A Better Place
She’s in a better place right now
Than she’s ever been before;
All pain is gone; she’s now at rest;
Nothing troubles her anymore.
It’s we who feel the burden of
Our sadness and our grief;.
We have to cry, to mourn our loss,
Before we get relief.
We know we’ll reconnect with her
At the end of each life’s road;
We’ll see her cherished face again
When we release our earthly load.
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Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?
Yes. don't you? :roll:
Whilst I find MJFAN so kind and caring with her beautiful words,Papillon bleu,I find your rolling eyes very rude and hurtful,as it makes me feel my question was a stupid one....I mean.....how dare I ask such a darn stupid question.
Sorry for writing in my native language translated in american english ..let me write it again :
"vangogh" :"Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?"
me: "Yes I think YOU do " ;)
The End
P.S: Have we met before vangogh? Peter pan "whatever" ex-user is that you?
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I also think Michael is here among us.......why not? It's such an easy way to access the believers, and i'm sure he haven't made the hoax just for himself, i mean the clues are there for a reason. I think Michael being here or other hoax site would be a really smart move. And we all know how intelligent he is! ;)
You are so right...it would be a very smart move ;) There is a reason for everything...I feel like we just need patience.... easier said, than done!
Blessings Always!!!
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Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?
Yes. don't you? :roll:
Whilst I find MJFAN so kind and caring with her beautiful words,Papillon bleu,I find your rolling eyes very rude and hurtful,as it makes me feel my question was a stupid one....I mean.....how dare I ask such a darn stupid question.
Sorry for writing in my native language translated in american english ..let me write it again :
"vangogh" :"Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?"
me: "Yes I think YOU do " ;)
The End
P.S: Have we met before vangogh? Peter pan "whatever" ex-user is that you?
Forgive me...I'm very sensitive sometimes and take things to heart.
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Ugh...
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
And here I find myself again. :lol: But as long as we don't hurt anyone with our addiction it's oke I guess. ;) To be honest I don't want to go to rehab,I like it to much. :mrgreen:
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I like the red jacket in your signature picture
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I like the red jacket in your signature picture
Thanks, me too but even more the man in it! :lol:
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
And here I find myself again. :lol: But as long as we don't hurt anyone with our addiction it's oke I guess. ;) To be honest I don't want to go to rehab,I like it to much. :mrgreen:
Well, if we were all in rehab together what would be "heal"? We'd all be there together hoaxing :))) I keep saying I'm weening myself off this and just checking periodically, and yet...I miss you all. Soon, very soon I'll have to find (PRAY)a job and I know it will KILL me to lose my time with you all. And, what if I MISS some great BREAKING NEWS??? I'll have to have one of you phone me!!! At least there is misery in company :)
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:) my son is on some kind of game forum and his sister bugs him about it. why don't you go so and so and hang out with people . i said on the forum it is people. a wide variety of people and view points. i know one can't make it their whole lives but interacting with people that you are never going to have the chance to meet is actually intriguing. and maybe addictive :oops: ;)
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:) my son is on some kind of game forum and his sister bugs him about it. why don't you go so and so and hang out with people . i said on the forum it is people. a wide variety of people and view points. i know one can't make it their whole lives but interacting with people that you are never going to have the chance to meet is actually intriguing. and maybe addictive :oops: ;)
That's how I see it too.How great are the changes of befriending someone at the other side of te world if not through internet? Unless you are someone who's always travelling.Wish I could but unfortunately I don't have that kind of money.
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He comes here on a regular basis.
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I think
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I like the red jacket in your signature picture
Thanks, me too but even more the man in it! :lol:
This goes without saying. But I'm not sure it is OK to like him so much.
He wanted so bad to be seen as a normal guy. This is puzzling me ....always.
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He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
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He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
He just would,wouldn't he? I know I would.it's no secret that he's still alive....amongst friends & family and of course you believers.It's just that we're the minority,and to the minority you're all as nutty as fruitcakes,without sounding disrespectful.
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He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
He just would,wouldn't he? I know I would.it's no secret that he's still alive....amongst friends & family and of course you believers.It's just that we're the minority,and to the minority you're all as nutty as fruitcakes,without sounding disrespectful.
Michael always wants to be in control so my guess is that somehow he will get informed about what we are writing.If not by himself then someone close to him.
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Ugh...
:roll: :roll: :lol:
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He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
He just would,wouldn't he? I know I would.it's no secret that he's still alive....amongst friends & family and of course you believers.It's just that we're the minority,and to the minority you're all as nutty as fruitcakes,without sounding disrespectful.
You made me laugh so hard. And no disrespect taken. Absolutely. He just would. I know I would.
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Uh,,,I can't lie. YES I do. Absolutely!
I also believe that a person who works for TMZ is using the forum. "Harvey" to be exact.
Yeah I think he does.
Silly question, does anyone think Harvey is TS? :lol:
I have ALWAYS thought that Harvey is TS. Why? Next time you read a post from TS picture Harvey
from TMZ speaking the words. Really ...they have the same personality!
Just my opinion though guys...and YES I could be absolutely nuts!!!
I used to actually believe that TS was Timor Steffens... But that would be a little too obvious with the
initials. A little too easy. So HARVEY it is!! hahaha
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Ugh...
:roll: :roll: :lol:
:lol: I have to guess what it's a reaction to.
He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
He just would,wouldn't he? I know I would.it's no secret that he's still alive....amongst friends & family and of course you believers.It's just that we're the minority,and to the minority you're all as nutty as fruitcakes,without sounding disrespectful.
And he's set this whole thing up this way on purpose. He's laughing at us and with us!I like the red jacket in your signature picture
Thanks, me too but even more the man in it! :lol:
This goes without saying. But I'm not sure it is OK to like him so much.
He wanted so bad to be seen as a normal guy. This is puzzling me ....always.
Michael is so full of paradoxes. He wants our love but maybe in a behind the scenes sweeter kinda a way, the way we tell him here, not screaming and cameras clicking.
Uh,,,I can't lie. YES I do. Absolutely!
I also believe that a person who works for TMZ is using the forum. "Harvey" to be exact.
Yeah I think he does.
Silly question, does anyone think Harvey is TS? :lol:
I have ALWAYS thought that Harvey is TS. Why? Next time you read a post from TS picture Harvey
from TMZ speaking the words. Really ...they have the same personality!
Just my opinion though guys...and YES I could be absolutely nuts!!!
I used to actually believe that TS was Timor Steffens... But that would be a little too obvious with the
initials. A little too easy. So HARVEY it is!! hahaha
You might be right! It makes sense!
This thread is a million dollar question but yes, I definately think (hope) MJ comes here, with different styles of writing and personalities, so I guess we'll never know who, unless he puts some clues in the different names he goes by that all connect as dots somehow. This hoax has tied my brain in such a knot that I hardly know what I believe besides that he's alive. That I still believe. Though I was on a fun trip for a week, I missed being here.
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He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
He just would,wouldn't he? I know I would.it's no secret that he's still alive....amongst friends & family and of course you believers.It's just that we're the minority,and to the minority you're all as nutty as fruitcakes,without sounding disrespectful.
Are you a friend Paul? because you say "you believers", not "us believers"
oh, I know people think we are nuts. It is their right, maybe we really are nuts.
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He comes here on a regular basis.
What makes you think so?
He just would,wouldn't he? I know I would.it's no secret that he's still alive....amongst friends & family and of course you believers.It's just that we're the minority,and to the minority you're all as nutty as fruitcakes,without sounding disrespectful.
Are you a friend Paul? because you say "you believers", not "us believers"
oh, I know people think we are nuts. It is their right, maybe we really are nuts.
No,not a friend
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Okkkk.....thank you for your answer Paul. I suppose you aren't family either, so you have to be a believer after all :mrgreen:
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I just had to laugh. Not at anyone in particular- just the situation. We so often wonder if family, friends, or Michael himself would be on here. But then again, we never know. So... any one of them could pop in and say, really, I am ..... (insert any jackson, close friend, Michael)- and we'd be like... BE GONE! :lol:
Ah...the perils and thrills of the Internet! :mrgreen:
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
Who are you calling crazy? Can't be me. :mrgreen:
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How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
Who are you calling crazy? Can't be me. :mrgreen:
It can't be me either. :lol:
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Okkkk.....thank you for your answer Paul. I suppose you aren't family either, so you have to be a believer after all :mrgreen:
Not family or a believer either.
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
Who are you calling crazy? Can't be me. :mrgreen:
She is calling me crazy :lol: :lol:
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I just had to laugh. Not at anyone in particular- just the situation. We so often wonder if family, friends, or Michael himself would be on here. But then again, we never know. So... any one of them could pop in and say, really, I am ..... (insert any jackson, close friend, Michael)- and we'd be like... BE GONE! :lol:
Ah...the perils and thrills of the Internet! :mrgreen:
It is a normal reaction in my opinion.
Yesterday I was reading about Jay Leno's deposition in 2005 trial and he said he was making phonecalls to children in hospitals who wanted to talk to him and usually he had to spend the first 10 minutes convincing people it was Jay Leno himself at the phone.
And notice - he was alive and still had to convince people it was him.
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Okkkk.....thank you for your answer Paul. I suppose you aren't family either, so you have to be a believer after all :mrgreen:
Not family or a believer either.
OK misterious guest, I understand you can't reveal your status here, can you?
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)
Aw, you poor thing, wanna talk about it? :lol:
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
Who are you calling crazy? Can't be me. :mrgreen:
She is calling me crazy :lol: :lol:
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)[/qu
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
Who are you calling crazy? Can't be me. :mrgreen:
She is calling me crazy :lol: :lol:
Aw you poor thing,wanna talk about it? ;)
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"IF" he is viewing our site, if YOU are reading this Michael...then I want you to know, that we are waiting. We love you and we just don't know what else we are suppose to be doing. LOL
As for me...I'm getting up in the morning and praying to Jah to stay OFF this site because I need to take off the 50 pounds I've put on after losing 130, just by sitting here waiting for YOU to come home to us.
Again...I'm laughing.
I'm trying to just check in here during the day, and not sit here. So if you don't see me or it appears I'm on it's just because I left the page up.
But, friends, between us (close your eyes Michael), why don't we plot to catch him! We'll plant a topic and see if he responds, or if TMZ does.
There I go, laughing again.
Love you Michael, love you Fanily...
I know it's hard to stay away from here and I also have the habit while browsing here take a snack or 2, 3 or whenever I think it's enough. :lol:
Luckely I don't have to lose weight, maybe even put some weight on, but still I don't want to get addicted to this forum, but I guess it's already to late. :oops:
Maybe we should try to put some questions or observations here and see if we get some kind of reaction. :)[/qu
We are all forum addicted :lol: unforturnately. We need to go to a rehab center for the hoaxaholics. This is like a drug, I say to myself, ok, today no forum, the next thing I know I am here. :lol:
How nice to see we're all admitting that we're addicted to the hoax and to this forum :lol: This page is always the first place that I get on when I'm on the internet.. It is so good to be with people like me who are also addicted and crazy. :lol:
Who are you calling crazy? Can't be me. :mrgreen:
She is calling me crazy :lol: :lol:
Aw you poor thing,wanna talk about it? ;)
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Okkkk.....thank you for your answer Paul. I suppose you aren't family either, so you have to be a believer after all :mrgreen:
Not family or a believer either.
I think she asked Paul. Or are you one and the same?
Not a friend, not a believer, not family... leaves enemy, hater or troll. All three are not really appreciated here.
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I just had to laugh. Not at anyone in particular- just the situation. We so often wonder if family, friends, or Michael himself would be on here. But then again, we never know. So... any one of them could pop in and say, really, I am ..... (insert any jackson, close friend, Michael)- and we'd be like... BE GONE! :lol:
Ah...the perils and thrills of the Internet! :mrgreen:
It is a normal reaction in my opinion.
Yesterday I was reading about Jay Leno's deposition in 2005 trial and he said he was making phonecalls to children in hospitals who wanted to talk to him and usually he had to spend the first 10 minutes convincing people it was Jay Leno himself at the phone.
And notice - he was alive and still had to convince people it was him.
Oh, totally- how many stories do we have of Michael calling people and them hanging up on him. Now, imagine when he comes back... Or pops up on a forum. :lol: Poor baby! He better have his DNA test in hand and Katherine and the kids there nonstop vouching for him. Well, he can call me, too- I'll vouch for him ANYDAY! :mrgreen:
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I just had to laugh. Not at anyone in particular- just the situation. We so often wonder if family, friends, or Michael himself would be on here. But then again, we never know. So... any one of them could pop in and say, really, I am ..... (insert any jackson, close friend, Michael)- and we'd be like... BE GONE! :lol:
Ah...the perils and thrills of the Internet! :mrgreen:
It is a normal reaction in my opinion.
Yesterday I was reading about Jay Leno's deposition in 2005 trial and he said he was making phonecalls to children in hospitals who wanted to talk to him and usually he had to spend the first 10 minutes convincing people it was Jay Leno himself at the phone.
And notice - he was alive and still had to convince people it was him.
This is funny Gina...The other day I was daydreaming/sleeping and I dreamed Michael was at the door! (he'd been privately visiting hoaxers) I answered it and dropped. Then, I was like, prove you are Michael. I wanted to see his fingernails..."then go, well of course you made it look the same".
So I wanted more. On and on with the let me sees. Then I looked for who was with him! I looked or Billy Bray. Nope not him. So I finally said, let me see your bellybutton!!! lol
Anyhow, I finally believed him. Let him in, gave him quite an interview. Wanted to know what's up. He was actually interviewing me, US for the hoax wrap up!!
But, it's like you wrote with Jay Leno...and it will be hard for Michael when he comes home. Even for us right at first w/o proof. (show me that bellybutton...haha)
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Okkkk.....thank you for your answer Paul. I suppose you aren't family either, so you have to be a believer after all :mrgreen:
Not family or a believer either.
I think she asked Paul. Or are you one and the same?
Not a friend, not a believer, not family... leaves enemy, hater or troll. All three are not really appreciated here.
I can bet on one of my hands it's the last one :lol: :lol:
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I believe Michael would like to know what we think about his fake death, and the forum makes it easy for him. ;)
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OK
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There's one you've missed out..employee...
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This is funny Gina...The other day I was daydreaming/sleeping and I dreamed Michael was at the door! (he'd been privately visiting hoaxers) I answered it and dropped. Then, I was like, prove you are Michael. I wanted to see his fingernails..."then go, well of course you made it look the same".
So I wanted more. On and on with the let me sees. Then I looked for who was with him! I looked or Billy Bray. Nope not him. So I finally said, let me see your bellybutton!!! lol
Anyhow, I finally believed him. Let him in, gave him quite an interview. Wanted to know what's up. He was actually interviewing me, US for the hoax wrap up!!
But, it's like you wrote with Jay Leno...and it will be hard for Michael when he comes home. Even for us right at first w/o proof. (show me that bellybutton...haha)
I had a dream about Michael spying at my door, listening what I was talking about him with a friend....he was dressed like Mr. V, with the hat and everyhting...he was so amused....
But I didn't ask to see his bellybutton...I knew it was him :D
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OK
There's one you've missed out..employee...
Ohhhhh....I thought I missed journalist.
But it is very interesting ....thank you for making it clear. So did you work for Mr. Jackson in the past or are you working for him now?
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OK
There's one you've missed out..employee...
Ohhhhh....I thought I missed journalist.
But it is very interesting ....thank you for making it clear. So did you work for Mr. Jackson in the past or are you working for him now?
I would like the answer to that question too, have you worked or still are working for Michael?
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She is calling me crazy :lol: :lol:
Aw you poor thing,wanna talk about it? ;)
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She is calling me crazy :lol: :lol:
Aw you poor thing,wanna talk about it? ;)
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But papillion blue(or whatever your name is),that's exactly how you're gonna scare people away,by mocking them.
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
you've not given me a chance to get started have you...and yes I am also vangogh.
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
you've not given me a chance to get started have you...and yes I am also vangogh.
but for a reason that you wouldn't believe.
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But papillion blue(or whatever your name is),that's exactly how you're gonna scare people away,by mocking them.
Try to find in the dictionary what 'mocking' means and see if there's any match to my comments TROLL!
mock (mk)
v. mocked, mock·ing, mocks
v.tr.
1. To treat with ridicule or contempt; deride.
2.
a. To mimic, as in sport or derision. See Synonyms at ridicule.
b. To imitate; counterfeit.
3. To frustrate the hopes of; disappoint.
that's what YOU do
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OK
There's one you've missed out..employee...
Ohhhhh....I thought I missed journalist.
But it is very interesting ....thank you for making it clear. So did you work for Mr. Jackson in the past or are you working for him now?
I would like the answer to that question too, have you worked or still are working for Michael?
Ditto.
As far as believing your reasons... Oh, and come on, try some of us. For me, my boundaries of what I believe have changed in recent months, seems like.
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aww come on give the guy a chance :| i bet you guys are like this with the jw folks when they knockin' on your door too ;) think about it. by the way do they still even do that ? :?
by the way you know i think murry has an outty also .
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aww come on give the guy a chance :| i bet you guys are like this with the jw folks when they knockin' on your door too ;) thinfk about it. by the way do they still even do that ? :?
They still do it. I have a neighbor who comes by, only on the holidays, and speaks to my family. She's a nice person. She said this past Thanksgiving that she was wondering if we thought that everyone should give thanks every day not just on Thanksgiving day.
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aww come on give the guy a chance :| i bet you guys are like this with the jw folks when they knockin' on your door too ;) thinfk about it. by the way do they still even do that ? :?
They still do it. I have a neighbor who comes by, only on the holidays, and speaks to my family. She's a nice person. She said this past Thanksgiving that she was wondering if we thought that everyone should give thanks every day not just on Thanksgiving day.
she has a good point. we don't even make that the focus of Thanksgiving i am afraid. food and football.
i saw this rabbi not too long ago and they give thanks at the end of the meal . he said something about at the end you were actually more thankful when in the beginning you were in too big a hurry to dig in. he also mentioned thanking for tasted buds which got my attention cause when i give the thanks i very often do that. unfortunatly my little family has sort of gotten away from family time at the table . humm maybe i need to get back on that one.
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aww come on give the guy a chance :| i bet you guys are like this with the jw folks when they knockin' on your door too ;) think about it. by the way do they still even do that ? :?
by the way you know i think murry has an outty also .
yes, they do. My husband made friends with one elder who was witnessing and now comes and does bible study with my hubby every Sunday, despite my husband having told him he will not convert. Still, really nice guy - I quite enjoy talking to him. And he always comments on my Opus on the coffee table. LOL.
Anyway...yeah, I think we need to be fair and friendly to guests. One never knows who will drop by.
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
you've not given me a chance to get started have you...and yes I am also vangogh.
but for a reason that you wouldn't believe.
It was clear you were both Paul and vangogh. And Informed, and Guest2, and Guest1 I might add.
So what is that reason we wouldn't believe, if you can tell us?
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yes why not? he would want to know whats going on here...
at least I hope he sees our messages...
:)
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aww come on give the guy a chance :| i bet you guys are like this with the jw folks when they knockin' on your door too ;) think about it. by the way do they still even do that ? :?
by the way you know i think murry has an outty also .
I give a chance to everyone.
Maybe because I don't understand this "troll" concept.
If someone comes here, that person must be "driven" by something, must have something to say or to prove or to point out.....
When JW come at my door I'm always listening to what they have to say.
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OK Paul, are you Rachel now too :lol: ?
LOL, how many of you are outthere?
Let's just be real: you think Michael has nothing better to do than to come here and spend his valuable time with a bunch of nutty? If he is indeed "alive and here forever".
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no I am rachel70...I tried signing in the regular board but my password wont work...good to meet you all..
its really late and I havent slept well lately ...so goodnight
talk to you tomorrow...
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Typical how the opposers never have any back-up for their claims...
you've not given me a chance to get started have you...and yes I am also vangogh.
but for a reason that you wouldn't believe.
It was clear you were both Paul and vangogh. And Informed, and Guest2, and Guest1 I might add.
So what is that reason we wouldn't believe, if you can tell us?
I'm listening Paul VanGogh. Try us and see if we would believe your reason.
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Just to clear things up,I'm paul & van gogh.No-one else.
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If someone has something to say, s/he writes it down. Nobody needs to ask him to write to try us if we believe him or not and nobody needs to create a "mysterious person" image. No need to be compelling and gullible and no need to get a couple of accounts if you are serious about getting on a hoax forum and have got things to say. If you have something to say, go and say it. Nobody is stopping you. But if you find people judgemental it is because of your efforts to create a mysterious person image. You do not need to tell anyone who you really are but if you got an account (well actually two for whatever reason), write whatever it is on your mind. No need to wait for people to ask you who you are or if they would believe you or not. If you have something to share, go ahead and share it. If you want to read the forum only, go and read it but there's no need to create confusion on the forum and confuse some of the people.
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Just to clear things up,I'm paul & van gogh.No-one else.
OK PaulVangogh. Sorry for the confusion.
I am curious if you have something more to say.
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:?: guests don't have to register, or i'm i wrong.
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:?: guests don't have to register, or i'm i wrong.
No, if you're not registered, you can post in the "Guest Forum" category without registering.
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:?: guests don't have to register, or i'm i wrong.
No, if you're not registered, you can post in the "Guest Forum" category without registering.
Thank u MJFAN7
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No, if you're not registered, you can post in the "Guest Forum" category without registering.
Girl, I can not take my eyes off your banner :lol:
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No, if you're not registered, you can post in the "Guest Forum" category without registering.
Girl, I can not take my eyes off your banner :lol:
:twisted: Soooorrryyyy! :D :D Hahaha! 8-)
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I bet he does.
I think his forum gives him an idea of the overall opinion about the hoax, the media, our reactions on the media etc. May be it inspires him, like he inspires us. He'll have some good laughs too for sure, at least I hope so :P
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Maybe he did read it but if i were him i wouldn't come back the next time. Without being disrespectful but sometimes a lot of hateful words are spread around his family and friends (and even his fans) and he didn't name you as his "after "death"" protectors. It's something you chose to do for him without having any real confirmation or clue that what you are doing is ok or if that's what he wanted. You just assume and write the story yourself. You wrote a story where Michael actually faked his death, did it to save the world and will come back in glory. And you are still writting it after 2 years. It is all right to believe what you think, it is all right to write all the conclusions you assume based on clues more or less realistic, it is all right to create a wishful story and damn, it is all right to be dissapointed (or not) - it's part of growing up. But while doing this, if your heart is where you pretend to be, don't forget the man - Michael Jackson.
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Maybe he did read it but if i were him i wouldn't come back the next time. Without being disrespectful but sometimes a lot of hateful words are spread around his family and friends (and even his fans) and he didn't name you as his "after "death"" protectors. It's something you chose to do for him without having any real confirmation or clue that what you are doing is ok or if that's what he wanted. You just assume and write the story yourself. You wrote a story where Michael actually faked his death, did it to save the world and will come back in glory. And you are still writting it after 2 years. It is all right to believe what you think, it is all right to write all the conclusions you assume based on clues more or less realistic, it is all right to create a wishful story and damn, it is all right to be dissapointed (or not) - it's part of growing up. But while doing this, if your heart is where you pretend to be, don't forget the man - Michael Jackson.
1guest, that’s deep! But I like what you say because I think I understand your point, and if so, I agree with you. In so many words, I think you’re saying that while it’s human nature to get caught up in the drama of life, the lesson or the “growing up” lies in realizing that the drama (including the potential disappointment experienced as a result of believing the drama to be real) is of our own making. Regarding Michael Jackson and a possible hoax, we tend to become so absorbed in our personal desire to see and construct trees (any trees) that we sometimes forget to respect and enjoy the beauty of the forest that is Michael Jackson, a fellow human being.
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Maybe he did read it but if i were him i wouldn't come back the next time. Without being disrespectful but sometimes a lot of hateful words are spread around his family and friends (and even his fans) and he didn't name you as his "after "death"" protectors. It's something you chose to do for him without having any real confirmation or clue that what you are doing is ok or if that's what he wanted. You just assume and write the story yourself. You wrote a story where Michael actually faked his death, did it to save the world and will come back in glory. And you are still writting it after 2 years. It is all right to believe what you think, it is all right to write all the conclusions you assume based on clues more or less realistic, it is all right to create a wishful story and damn, it is all right to be dissapointed (or not) - it's part of growing up. But while doing this, if your heart is where you pretend to be, don't forget the man - Michael Jackson.
1guest, that’s deep! But I like what you say because I think I understand your point, and if so, I agree with you. In so many words, I think you’re saying that while it’s human nature to get caught up in the drama of life, the lesson or the “growing up” lies in realizing that the drama (including the potential disappointment experienced as a result of believing the drama to be real) is of our own making. Regarding Michael Jackson and a possible hoax, we tend to become so absorbed in our personal desire to see and construct trees (any trees) that we sometimes forget to respect and enjoy the beauty of the forest that is Michael Jackson, a fellow human being.
interesting exchange here. it sort of follows along the lines of what i think i have seen that ts says about not rejecting truth just because it is being delivered by someone you don't like.( again let me make it clear i am not buying ts hook line and sinker) as a matter of fact i think there may be something in the bible about that very thing. also about missing out on what michael has already given the world by being bogged down with this hoax idea. i know some days after i have been here so much i have to just get off here and watch some of his work to get some joy back. i sometimes i have to get away even further and return to the enjoyment i get from listening to others also.my 2 cents
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Maybe he did read it but if i were him i wouldn't come back the next time. Without being disrespectful but sometimes a lot of hateful words are spread around his family and friends (and even his fans) and he didn't name you as his "after "death"" protectors. It's something you chose to do for him without having any real confirmation or clue that what you are doing is ok or if that's what he wanted. You just assume and write the story yourself. You wrote a story where Michael actually faked his death, did it to save the world and will come back in glory. And you are still writting it after 2 years. It is all right to believe what you think, it is all right to write all the conclusions you assume based on clues more or less realistic, it is all right to create a wishful story and damn, it is all right to be dissapointed (or not) - it's part of growing up. But while doing this, if your heart is where you pretend to be, don't forget the man - Michael Jackson.
Are you living in Mars? You sound like a non-believer and I bet that you are. So you have no idea why we became believers and what makes us to stay here after 21 months. So you'd better not be judgemental about the clues Michael has been giving and about us. Michael is the reason why we are all here. If we forgot him, we would have done like the non-believers and buried him before he passed. One day you will see and understand how wrong you were about us, about this hoax but most of all about Michael. You do not know him, his desires and what he is capable of. You have no idea about why he did this. So before you come here and judge us as being disrespectful to Michael's family or creating the hoax story, you'd better take a look at yourself because you are disrespecting Michael himself by not understanding him and his hoax and not doing any further investigation.
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Maybe he did read it but if i were him i wouldn't come back the next time. Without being disrespectful but sometimes a lot of hateful words are spread around his family and friends (and even his fans) and he didn't name you as his "after "death"" protectors. It's something you chose to do for him without having any real confirmation or clue that what you are doing is ok or if that's what he wanted. You just assume and write the story yourself. You wrote a story where Michael actually faked his death, did it to save the world and will come back in glory. And you are still writting it after 2 years. It is all right to believe what you think, it is all right to write all the conclusions you assume based on clues more or less realistic, it is all right to create a wishful story and damn, it is all right to be dissapointed (or not) - it's part of growing up. But while doing this, if your heart is where you pretend to be, don't forget the man - Michael Jackson.
Are you living in Mars? You sound like a non-believer and I bet that you are. So you have no idea why we became believers and what makes us to stay here after 21 months. So you'd better not be judgemental about the clues Michael has been giving and about us. Michael is the reason why we are all here. If we forgot him, we would have done like the non-believers and buried him before he passed. One day you will see and understand how wrong you were about us, about this hoax but most of all about Michael. You do not know him, his desires and what he is capable of. You have no idea about why he did this. So before you come here and judge us as being disrespectful to Michael's family or creating the hoax story, you'd better take a look at yourself because you are disrespecting Michael himself by not understanding him and his hoax and not doing any further investigation.
Totally agree, Purelove!
These non-believers think we're nuts and that disrespecting Michael. Not so!
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Michael Jackson is DEAD, he isn't using ANYthing. You are all idiots and you do not know him at all if you think he is alive. He would never do that to his kids. The LAPD, the Coroner, Forest Lawn, his attorneys, his family, etc are NOT in on it, he is DEAD. And, if you think Michael Jackson would let an innocent man be charged and possibly sent to prison then you really are idiots. Wake up fools. He is only alive in your hearts.
Maybe Liz Taylor faked her death too.
Maybe Elvis (don't forget him) faked his death too.
Maybe Frank Sinatra faked his death too.
Maybe Patrick Swayze faked his death too.
Maybe Farrah Fawcett faked her death too.
MAYBE NO ONE EVER DIES!!!!
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I agree, Michael would never do this to his kids, but I think people just don't want to believe it even though it's true. So they make up stuff. Too many people being involved would not be able to keep a secret like that and there is no where for him to go. He is dead I agree. But I also agree he is alive in our hearts like you said. Some people just want to dream and I guess that's ok they really don't think he is really alive just in their dreams. MJ would never put up with what his dad is trying to do and his kids being put on tv and everything, he would not have let that happen.
We miss you MJ but we are all going to the same place eventually so we will see you someday.
RIP KOP.
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We don't "think" you're nuts....we KNOW you're nuts.
MJ is dead.
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MJ is definately dead. It's sad that people make up these kinds of tablodish crap and his kids will read it one day. Grow up children, get out of fantasyland and into realityland. No one has ever faked their death and got away with it. NO one. And especiall MJ.
Sad thing is, you fools who think he is alive will spawn more fools. What a world.
To the person above, LOL too funny!!! Yes NO ONE EVER DIES, we just go into hiding, LOL!!!! Well said.
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Michael Jackson would never fake his death, he could never get away with it either. He would never do that to Prince Paris and Blanket. Everyone who thinks he is alive are living in fantasy and thats ok, they don't know any better.
No, MJ is not using this forum or any other forum, he isn't even peeing, so...let's move on folks!
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i wonder if all these guests are one person with too much time on their hands or a bunch of people who go onto a hoax website to try to tell us this isn't a hoax.
it seems to me you are wasting your time. if we've been here for 20+ months believing, a couple of posts won't change our minds. we're not asking nor forcing you to believe, so please respect this space we have and keep your opinions to a fan forum. thanks.
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i wonder if all these guests are one person with too much time on their hands or a bunch of people who go onto a hoax website to try to tell us this isn't a hoax.
it seems to me you are wasting your time. if we've been here for 20+ months believing, a couple of posts won't change our minds. we're not asking nor forcing you to believe, so please respect this space we have and keep your opinions to a fan forum. thanks.
AMEN :D
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Wow, looks like the people that know he's dead hit a nerve with the fools who think he is alive, lol!!
Hey, Liz Taylor is still alive too, she is with MJ, they are building a new Park for all the people that want to fake their death, Elvis is the President of the Contruction Company, the name of the park is called "ImagineryLand". There are already MILLIONS of members, they were just waiting for MJ and Liz to come, it was MJ's idea to call it "ImagineryLand". Patrick Swayze is the entrance greeter and Farrah Fawcett is the one who gives out the welcome flyers and directions throughout the park so you don't get lost.
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It's raining non-believers around here. Why can't you just go back to michaeljackson.com?
You chased us out of there but it wasn't enough, now you come here to tell us we are idiots. If that makes you happy ok, I admit, I am an idiot. I am the first who's an idiot. Let me be this way.
Go back to your golden-pants stories and fan fiction stories and mikegasms and "the kid is not my son" condoms ...... Go respect Michael the way you are used to and leave us alone.
I hope none of you is that 2 minus ... or kindred or mmmjlover or whatever.....go back and leave us alone in our misery here
and no, you don 't hit a nerve, you are just making me sick
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Michael Jackson would never fake his death, he could never get away with it either. He would never do that to Prince Paris and Blanket. Everyone who thinks he is alive are living in fantasy and thats ok, they don't know any better.
No, MJ is not using this forum or any other forum, he isn't even peeing, so...let's move on folks!
Um, what makes you think Michael wouldn't fake his death? Are you Michael? Didn't think so. And actually what do you mean by "he wouldn't do that to prince, paris, and blanket"? They know he's alive..? And who are you to come here with (obviously) no knowledge of the hoax to tell us what state of mind we are in? We're not "moving on" there's no where to move onto right now. We're staying right where we are, thank you. & if you have a problem, then please escort yourself to the red X in the corner of the screen. :roll:
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That's the first time I would say ....where's the admin to lock this thread?
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LOL THAT'S GREAT I LOVE IT!!! HEE HEE!!
Hey, I also heard about ImagineryLand, the Three Stooges are really making everyone there laugh so much, they say it's a fun place, so many celebrities from the past that we all "thought" died but they are living and well in ImagineryLand. I'm so happy, I was depressed at first but now I know that MJ and everyone else that faked their death is creating a wonderful place for us all when we die...I mean "fake" our death.
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Wow, looks like the people that know he's dead hit a nerve with the fools who think he is alive, lol!!
Hey, Liz Taylor is still alive too, she is with MJ, they are building a new Park for all the people that want to fake their death, Elvis is the President of the Contruction Company, the name of the park is called "ImagineryLand". There are already MILLIONS of members, they were just waiting for MJ and Liz to come, it was MJ's idea to call it "ImagineryLand". Patrick Swayze is the entrance greeter and Farrah Fawcett is the one who gives out the welcome flyers and directions throughout the park so you don't get lost.
okay look. mock us all you want, i really could care less. you making fun of what i or anyone else believes in is merely an opinion, and i'm not offended by yours. however, there's a point when your opinion starts to become incredibly disrespectful. in no way on this forum will you find us mocking michael, elizabeth, patrick or farrah. however, in a small paragraph you managed to disrespect each of them with your tone. i don't understand why you people can't just leave this forum alone. you don't believe like us, we get that. move on.
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however, there's a point when your opinion starts to become incredibly disrespectful. in no way on this forum will you find us mocking michael, elizabeth, patrick or farrah. however, in a small paragraph you managed to disrespect each of them with your tone.
They don't care, I think I know who these guests are....they don't deserve our attention.
And they don't know what respect means, they don't respect anybody, not even Michael :cry:
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We've been doing 21 months of exclusive hardcore research. Michael is NOT dead, and if you think you coming to OUR *hoax* website, hiding behind your guest names and commenting "MJ is dead." and mocking us with absolutely NO supporting evidence along side it, then you're delusional. If you don't believe he's alive, fine! You're loss. But don't sit here and come to our forum and rub your beliefs in our faces. We discuss his death hoax here for whomever wants to read, we're not trying to rub it in anyone else's, so don't do it to us. KThanks. Bye.
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Yes, I also agree, Liz and Patrick and Farrah are faking their deaths too. And, no one ever dies, they do go to ImagineryLand (whoever you are that came up with that, it was a good one).
No one dies, this makes me feel so much better to know that when you "think" someone dies they really go to ImagineryLand. Wow, wonderful. I'm sooooooooo relieved.
I think however, someone should tell the Judge because it's not fair for an innocent man to possibly be sent to prison when MJ and millions of others are living it up in ImagineryLand. Hopefully the judge will figure it out. And, as for the coroner and LAPD....they are all in on it too, the lapd was very sorry for how they treated mj in 2005 so they decided to go along with this. Wonderful that everyone lives forever!
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Hi all, my name is Suzie and the song really is about me. Michael and I have been secretly married for years and have other children the world doesn't know about. I hope that no one ever finds out where ImagineryLand is until they are suppose too (you know what I mean), the tabloids would go crazy, they'd post directions/map and everyone's cover will be blown, MJ would really be upset at that cuz he is livin large with Liz and others there.
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sigh...get a life spammer guest :roll:
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Ok everyone, I am the boss here, I know everything about Michael and anyone who disagree's with me is a hater or a troll or just jealous of my LARGE beautiful face. I am also a media hound and if you want to know anything you can just ask me, I've been a fan since AFTER he died...I mean...went to ImagineryLand. I've know everything and all my followers believe everything I ever say and no one disagree's with me or they are OUT of my group.
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What sarcasm! :evil:
Michael does not need fans like that!
And we're not forced to read so much nonsense!
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Michael Jackson would never fake his death, he could never get away with it either. He would never do that to Prince Paris and Blanket. Everyone who thinks he is alive are living in fantasy and thats ok, they don't know any better.
No, MJ is not using this forum or any other forum, he isn't even peeing, so...let's move on folks!
I guess you must be a close friend of the family then because you sound so sure. :roll:
If you are a Michael Jackson fan you should know that Michael always treat people with respect, so why don't you.
You're entitled to have your own opinmion, I have mine, let's leave it that way.
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Hi, I follow MJ everywhere and yes, he is in ImagineryLand, he called me today to tell me that he wanted me to send popcorn to him, he really loved popcorn and so far they can't find a company to deliver it to ImagineryLand. They are currently waiting for Zsa Zsa to join them, they can't wait for her arrival, and she will be joining them soon, she misses her friend Liz too much.
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@Allforlove,
What's an "opinmion"????
Now this shows exactly why you believe MJ is alive, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"opinmion"?????
ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Ok, now this does explain it, children are here, LOL
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Hi all, my name is Suzie and the song really is about me. Michael and I have been secretly married for years and have other children the world doesn't know about. I hope that no one ever finds out where ImagineryLand is until they are suppose too (you know what I mean), the tabloids would go crazy, they'd post directions/map and everyone's cover will be blown, MJ would really be upset at that cuz he is livin large with Liz and others there.
It is to laugh? Success! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mummery!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:
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Where is a moderator when you need one :roll: ?
There's no point talking to these guests, they think they are fans but if they are who I suspect they are - really there's no point talking to them because they just don't listen and don't care.
I just hope the thread will be locked soon and their posts deleted even sooner.
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@Allforlove,
What's an "opinmion"????
Now this shows exactly why you believe MJ is alive, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have an excuse, as I am not a native English speaker, but I guess I have to write I meant opinion, because you can't figure out what I mean.
Whatever!
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All the Gabor sisters are awaiting Zsa Zsa's entrance into ImagineryLand, they can't wait to see her, they might not recognize her due to the aging process but she will have ID on her and she will be saying "darling" alot.
I heard MJ loves ImagineryLand, when he saw Elvis there he almost didn't recognize him, but one twist of the hips had MJ convinced it was really Elvis. MJ did tell me in a recent phone conversation (and I can't reveal too much because its private) but he said he was heartbroken to see little Paris on stage crying her eyes out but...it was something he had to put her through. And he doesn't mind sending an innocent man to prison either, he said "wtf they were gonna send my butt to prison so let them send this jerk". Sounds cold hearted but I agree with him.
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Talk about unwelcome guests :roll: Any way we can show you the door?
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OH MJ called me too, I was a good friend of his, he told me not to worry and that he'd be ok, I asked what he meant and he said "you must have an imagination" and I didn't know what he meant until now!!!!! IMAGINARYLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cowards don't ever change......why don't you have the guts to be yourself dear guests?
Come on, reveal your real names, say who you really are....but you can't can you? because you are cowards, like you've been in the last 12 months since you "moderate" the other forum :roll:
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Just think, the taxpayers of LA are really going to be upset when they find out they had to pay for a funeral that really didn't happen, lol
But then again, MJ ran up his own bills so why not run up others.
Sweetie, I've already used my real name, lol
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Me too, I've used my real name, its my nickname that MJ gave to me while I stayed at Neverland ranch. He use to trust me with the keys to the place and I worked in security so that was my nickname from him, I get pics and cards from him everyday from ImaginaryLand, he calls me too, I tell him how bad his dad is trying to get his money and how they have already exploited the kids on tv and etc and he says he doesn't care because if he did he wouldn't have faked his death.
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Oh please :roll:
you know, a guest comes but there's a time when a guest really has to leave.....
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@MJFan7
If you have hard core proof, then go to the cnn news or other news outlets and give them your proof, you will be famous, OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE MJ IS DEAD
D E A D
D E A D
D E A D
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That's right, and they go to IMAGINARYLAND, hee hee!!
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Maybe he did read it but if i were him i wouldn't come back the next time. Without being disrespectful but sometimes a lot of hateful words are spread around his family and friends (and even his fans) and he didn't name you as his "after "death"" protectors. It's something you chose to do for him without having any real confirmation or clue that what you are doing is ok or if that's what he wanted. You just assume and write the story yourself. You wrote a story where Michael actually faked his death, did it to save the world and will come back in glory. And you are still writting it after 2 years. It is all right to believe what you think, it is all right to write all the conclusions you assume based on clues more or less realistic, it is all right to create a wishful story and damn, it is all right to be dissapointed (or not) - it's part of growing up. But while doing this, if your heart is where you pretend to be, don't forget the man - Michael Jackson.
1guest, that’s deep! But I like what you say because I think I understand your point, and if so, I agree with you. In so many words, I think you’re saying that while it’s human nature to get caught up in the drama of life, the lesson or the “growing up” lies in realizing that the drama (including the potential disappointment experienced as a result of believing the drama to be real) is of our own making. Regarding Michael Jackson and a possible hoax, we tend to become so absorbed in our personal desire to see and construct trees (any trees) that we sometimes forget to respect and enjoy the beauty of the forest that is Michael Jackson, a fellow human being.
Yes, starchild, this is exactly what i mean. Thank you. As for purelove, sorry, you are not coherent, at least i haven't seen any connection between my post and your angry reply, therefore i cannot answer to you. Keep smiling everyone and take care of Michael!
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Me too, I've used my real name, its my nickname that MJ gave to me while I stayed at Neverland ranch. He use to trust me with the keys to the place and I worked in security so that was my nickname from him, I get pics and cards from him everyday from ImaginaryLand, he calls me too, I tell him how bad his dad is trying to get his money and how they have already exploited the kids on tv and etc and he says he doesn't care because if he did he wouldn't have faked his death.
When did you stay at Neverland? What year and occasion? Just curious.
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viewtopic.php?f=60&t=616&p=9008#p9008 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=616&p=9008#p9008)
Just to bring some lightness in this thread, and maybe a food-for-thought for our non-believers (remember, this is partly from the old forum, and it hasn't been updated. Anyone??)
Why I can’t let it go
I’ve been lurking around other Michael Jackson fan boards lately where death hoax investigators are a minority and the prevailing opinion is that we are all paranoid footloops that are looking too deeply into things and we should just let it go and let him rest in peace. And I began thinking why can’t I do that? Because it doesn’t make anything make more sense that’s why.
I mean for the purposes of this post let’s go with that premise that Michael did indeed die on June 25th what does that do to the case?
First off it makes everybody in this scenario an idiot including Michael himself. Okay so he is embarking on his comeback tour and he is under stress from preparing for this, possibly upset that he now has to do 50 concerts instead of the original 10 he wanted, and maybe a bit insecure about how the fans will react to him after being gone from the concert scene for a decade and starts to have trouble sleeping. So Mr. holistic lifestyle who eats organic foods, who thinks we should be careful about what we put in our bodies, and who admitted to having an addiction to painkillers in 1993 so he knows the dangers of overusing prescription drugs decides the best way to deal with this is to start taking Propofol. A drug that is known to cause amnesia effects in people which is really good for someone who supposed to remember several dance routines and song lyrics. Also he is going to keep this drug and empty bottles of it stashed in his house where his young children might find it. Now according to Arnold Klein Michael had used Propofol before during the HIStory tour under an anaesthesiologist so who does Michael decide should be the one to administer this drug and monitor him to make sure everything is safe while he is under this time? Dr. Conrad Murray.
Dr. Murray is a cardiologist not an anaesthesiologist and apparently doesn’t know how to properly administer Propofol because he was calling Klein to learn how to do it, but despite this inexperience he decides that the big paycheque (from a guy who was supposed to be broke strange that) is too good to pass up after all what could possibly go wrong?
Well on June 25th something does go wrong and more people join the idiot line-up. Murray gives Michael Propofol wanders outside to go use the bathroom comes back to find him not breathing, but with a weak pulse and starts doing CPR. Okay so a licensed cardiologist doesn’t know that you don’t give CPR to a person with a pulse and also is doing this CPR with one hand (useless!) and on a bed, even more than useless! When this does nothing 911 gets called and another moron picks up. Our professional 911 operator is told that the patient is not breathing and they are trying to pump him. He does not immediately ask if the patient has a pulse because again if he does he should tell them to stop pumping him and perform artificial respiration only. Then the operator when informed that there is a doctor on scene tells the caller the doctor has more authority than him, the paramedics are on their way, and hangs up. Great! So if anything else went wrong with the patient between the phone call and the paramedic’s arrival the paramedics don’t know about it.
Well the paramedics arrive and work on him for almost an hour and decide to take him to the hospital. The ambulance driver decides that quickest way to get the patient there is to back out of the gates as slowly as possible rather than circling around the driveway so he/she go out on the street facing forward. Oh and to do all this backing out without the siren on so people will know that we have a life-threatening emergency going on! All right so we get to the hospital and rush-I mean slowly move the stretcher into emergency with no IV line, and the paramedics apparently doing no work on the patient. The hospital continues to work on Michael for another hour, but are unable to save him and at 2:26pm he is declared dead.
The world is notified and the grieving starts and the family and friends of Michael proceed to…act like a bunch of assholes. I don’t mean that they aren’t grieving hard enough I mean that Joe goes out to promote his record label Jermaine seems to be trying to suck up any rays of fame he can from this event. Latoya says his death was the result of foul play and instead of going to the police apparently helps the rest of the family take carloads of items out of Michael’s home thoroughly disrupting the crime scene. Klein and Mark Lester come out to say they might be the fathers of Michael’s kids, Karen Faye puts weird posts up about him on her facebook, and Mac and Liz have nothing to say at all. The family invites Kenny Ortega to the funeral and have the This is it dancers as ushers, why would you do that if they were part of the problem that lead Michael to his death?
Finally if go with the situation that Michael truly left the world last summer, well what situation do we use? According to the tribute to Michael in the Hello magazine I got in early July the story was that Michael seemed to have a great performance the night before spent time playing with his kids afterwards and called Katherine so the kids could talk to their grandmother. Then Michael went to bed, but had difficulty sleeping that night and had taken a tranquilizer to relax got up the next day to get ready for the rehearsals that were supposed to take place in the morning and then suddenly collapsed. Those who witnessed it thought he was joking, but eventually figured out something was really wrong called 911 he was rushed to the hospital and unfortunately they were unable to save him.
Then the story was that the rehearsal apparently went until midnight on June 24th. Okay so obviously Michael didn’t spend the last hours of that night with his kids because they would have been in bed at that time nor did he call Katherine, why would you call the kids’ grandma at 1 am? Also he didn’t sleep at all and Murray gave him all kinds of drugs that night trying to help (and yet somehow Murray doesn’t know the exact address of the house he is doing this at? Even though he has supposedly done this before?) until around 10am on June 25th when he gave in to Michael’s demands for Propofol. Who bothers trying to sleep at 10 am when there are young kids at home and rehearsals later the same day? There is supposedly video footage of the dancers being told that Michael died so obviously they were already at the Staples Centre waiting for him. So let’s say Murray injects Michael at 10 am and rehearsals start at 2pm, what meaningful sleep is going to be had in four hours at best?
Now the story has changed yet again because Murray’s girlfriend says he was on the phone to her when he found Michael in distress dropped the phone and began doing CPR. Okay so now instead of Murray finding Michael not breathing making a bunch of phone calls and then doing CPR/looking for help he injected Michael went to the bathroom or whatever stayed there for an hour or two then came back to find Michael not breathing. Oh well that just makes it all better! [/sarcasm] Why has this man not been arrested yet?
And this doesn’t even scratch the surface of all the other things that keep changing. We’ve heard that Michael was a tired druggie controlled by everyone, forced to do those concerts. Well that’s not what showed up on the rehearsal footage in This Is It. He was in a coma when he arrived at UCLA and died there versus they were never able to re-establish a pulse. He looked like he was sleeping, his face had been battered by CPR. He was warm he was cold, the paramedics didn’t recognize him and yet the photo of him in the ambulance clearly shows this is Michael Jackson. Prince saw him collapse in the living room, he collapsed in Murray’s room, he never woke up at all, and on and on it goes.
To conclude Michael being dead doesn’t change the fact that this whole fiasco is weird as hell. Something is going on here there is no other logical conclusion to draw from this anymore, and if that something turns out to still involve Michael being dead then I can be comfortable in the fact that I didn’t just go along with what the media told me I questioned, I researched and I came to my own conclusions. I came to have a better understanding of Michael as a person and a desire to carry his message to the world forward and I don’t think that’s disrespectful to Michael’s memory in any way.
by Curlsformygirl (thank you!)
Another is from the old MJHD, i managed to drag it from cashe, but it was reposted and sadly i can't find the original author:
Michael Joseph Jackson was found dead in his bedroom on 25th June 2009 at his rented Holmby Hills Mansion, he was also found dead in his doctors bedroom as well as alive with a slight pulse in a guest bedroom.
He had died 3 hours before the ambulance was called from an overdose of Demerol administered to himself by himself, while listening to the Gipsy Kings, he also died 1 hour before the ambulance was called by a lethal injection of Propofol administered by his Cardiologist who thought it would be a great idea to administer CPR on a bed for an hour. After this Michael was rushed to hospital in an ambulance doing 5 miles an hour where his body finally died after being dead.
Let’s rewind a tad. It is now at this point that I learn that Mr Jackson was in fact a junkie hopped up on enough meds to kill a whorde of wild wilderbeeste. He of course passed his medical with flying colours and went on to practice for his upcoming shows that he both dreaded and looked forward to. His dancing was energetic and not dissimilar to that of a 20 year old with back problems, a hernia and an aging disease similar to Benjamin Button.
He was in high spirits and excited about the upcoming tour. He was also angry about it and cried himself to sleep.
Since his death, Michael has been cremated, he has also been buried at forest lawn and neverland, put on ice, dug up again and is now awaiting to be buried on his birthday as a sort of loving present from his father.
His son (also the son of his dermatologist, his friend Mark Lester, a mad woman claiming to be his wife, a mexican maid and a british maid) is both elated and devastated at his dad’s death.
I think that’s straightforward enough - why oh why do you lot think there's anything suspicious going on? lol
What would we do without the papers eh?!
I nearly forgot, the story of the year so far.....possibly the most important fact in all of this....
......he loved his carrots...couldn't get enough of the little orange buggers
I guess we don´t have to go on analysing:
- eyes,
eyebrows, adams´ apples, fingers, thumbs, fingernails, nailbeds, hands,
wrists, wigs, hairstyles, sideruns, ears, noses, hats, dresses, pants,
glasses, micros, bracelets...
- voices, messages, speeches, lyrics, notes, phone calls, pictures, videos...
- brothers, sisters, sisters-in-law, nephews, children, impersators,
doubles, friends, ex-wives, secret girlfriends, unknown memorial
guests...
- the history and geography of Germany and Austria (since the roman empire)...
- google, u tube, wikipedia, anagram genius...
- post codes and dialing codes from several countries...
- all castles and palaces in Germany, Austria, Hungary and Romania...
- old songs, new songs, unreleased songs...
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anymore?? Do we??
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Michael's family and friends were deeply devastated by the sad news. His brothers immediately proceeded with filming the reality show which he didn't want to be a part of, his mother felt a sudden urge to go shopping for sleeping bags, other members of the family wanted to grieve in privacy and therefore went on TV to give interviews and public performances. Janet Jackson, Michaels's little sister, chose to stay off the public eye, she was extensively involved in shows for various awards, she found it too hard to watch 'This is it' and switches off TV each time there is a TII ad, she did an amazing tribute with Michael dancing on a big screen behind her. After 5 months Janet decided to share her memories of Michael and promote her new album in an interview on ABC. Janet, likewise the other family members, couldn't help smiling while speaking of the tragedy that shattered them in June. Recalling the events of that terrible day, Janet was in her apartment in New-York when she heard the news, in the same time she was also in Atlanta shooting a film. She called everyone but couldn't reach anyone. She spoke to her mother, sister Rebbie and Tito. Jermaine also spoke to her immediately as he recalls on LKL.
Michael's children are devastated, they're playful, they avoid seeing any video of Michael, they are going to watch Captain EO in Disneyland, for which purpose it's going to be relaunched. Little Blanket is not aware of daddy's passing, he attends the funeral with a casket and pictures of MJ all over the place. Kids are not going to see TII, they sneak in the theater to see TII.
Other family members praise the movie, they dash the movie, they want Michael's legacy to live forever, including that of tabloid scandalous coverage, so they join the crowd of MJ's ex-producers, managers, hairdressers, lawyers, security-, cable- and record-companies, and a man who claims MJ stole his 'herpes cure' and sue his estate in order to commemorate him.
Michael’s close friends and collaborates are in deep state of shock. They start twittering right away. Quincy Jones is fascinated by the cinema festival in Czech Republic and decided to skip the Memorial. Diana Ross is touring in Europe, she’s crying her eyes off so attending the funeral is not an option. And Michael’s closest and dearest friend doctor Arnold Klein, who wasn’t invited to Memorial, decides to go on the most credible and MJ-respecting source, TMZ, to reveal the ultimate truth about Michael’s personal hygiene habits in order to prove that 1993 molestation allegations were false, which has been already proven by the legal documents years ago. What we didn’t know, is that the utterly shy Mike was going around Klein’s place urinating in front of strangers (how’s that different from Gavin Arvizo’s testimony BS?!)
While LAPD is taking it serious, the case is ruled as homicide weeks after MJ's death and the doc is about to be arrested, no wait.. Dr. Conrad Murray who admitted administering the lethal cocktail of drugs is viewed as the key witness. The doctor was working for Michael for 11 days prior to his death, he was also there for weeks. He was hired by AEG, he was recommended by Joe Jackson, it was Michael’s choice as he knew him in the past for treating his kids for flu. After June 25 Murray was hiding, he's scared to return e-mails or calls, so he goes to resume his medical practice, is available to anyone and free to use Propofol. And that is very logical, since Medical Board of California has started proceedings that could strip Murray of his license to practice medicine. Yet police don't want to mess the case up and keep pushing the investigation dates. The search records are sealed, the search records are released, with some typos, but we finally get to see the cartoon-looking pharmacy in Vegas, which supplied Dr. Murray with drugs, even though he tried his best to bring Michael off the Propofol hook…..”
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Me too, I've used my real name, its my nickname that MJ gave to me while I stayed at Neverland ranch. He use to trust me with the keys to the place and I worked in security so that was my nickname from him, I get pics and cards from him everyday from ImaginaryLand, he calls me too, I tell him how bad his dad is trying to get his money and how they have already exploited the kids on tv and etc and he says he doesn't care because if he did he wouldn't have faked his death.
When did you stay at Neverland? What year and occasion? Just curious.
Looks like there's enough place in ImaginaryLand for everybody :lol: :lol: :lol:
Glad I'm not alone there :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Believers, chill, you have nothing to prove to non-believers. Why are you so upset? You are trying too hard and that makes you look angry and frustrated. This is not a contest and it's not a narcisistic battle between believers team and non-believers either. I thought all this energy you put in this forum is for Michael himself and not for rude answers caused by other's belief. And if you can only handle believers around why don't you just ban people who think different. This way your comfort is not disturbed anymore and your community will be even stronger feeding each other with hopes, L.O.V.E. and sweet waiting, without trolls, haters aka non-believers.
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Michael Joseph Jackson was found dead in his bedroom on 25th June 2009 at his rented Holmby Hills Mansion, he was also found dead in his doctors bedroom as well as alive with a slight pulse in a guest bedroom.
He had died 3 hours before the ambulance was called from an overdose of Demerol administered to himself by himself, while listening to the Gipsy Kings, he also died 1 hour before the ambulance was called by a lethal injection of Propofol administered by his Cardiologist who thought it would be a great idea to administer CPR on a bed for an hour. After this Michael was rushed to hospital in an ambulance doing 5 miles an hour where his body finally died after being dead.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Michael Joseph Jackson was found dead in his bedroom on 25th June 2009 at his rented Holmby Hills Mansion, he was also found dead in his doctors bedroom as well as alive with a slight pulse in a guest bedroom.
He had died 3 hours before the ambulance was called from an overdose of Demerol administered to himself by himself, while listening to the Gipsy Kings, he also died 1 hour before the ambulance was called by a lethal injection of Propofol administered by his Cardiologist who thought it would be a great idea to administer CPR on a bed for an hour. After this Michael was rushed to hospital in an ambulance doing 5 miles an hour where his body finally died after being dead.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
don't forget that he collapse alone, and after in front of Prince, and after in front of Prince and Paris
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…and based on that ambulance picture… he was 10 or 15 years younger.
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Michael Joseph Jackson was found dead in his bedroom on 25th June 2009 at his rented Holmby Hills Mansion, he was also found dead in his doctors bedroom as well as alive with a slight pulse in a guest bedroom.
He had died 3 hours before the ambulance was called from an overdose of Demerol administered to himself by himself, while listening to the Gipsy Kings, he also died 1 hour before the ambulance was called by a lethal injection of Propofol administered by his Cardiologist who thought it would be a great idea to administer CPR on a bed for an hour. After this Michael was rushed to hospital in an ambulance doing 5 miles an hour where his body finally died after being dead.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hi Gina, whenever I'm having an off-day, I re-read this and then I go :o :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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However, based on the paramedics recollections… he was 20 to 25 years older :shock:
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…and based on that ambulance picture… he was 10 or 15 years younger.
and was looking like an old frail man in the house
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Here is are a few quesions for the guests in our "home" who come into our place and muddy it up. First, show some respect in our home. If you don't like our home don't come to visit us as we don't visit your home. If you do visit us, respect our home. It's like coming into a home that cannot have smokers because of ventilators, and you come in with a cigarette. We believe, so if you come into our home, you should be respectful of that.
Now here are the questions: With you being here in our home, have you read all our information? Have you offered intelligent rebuttals? We have researched all this for almost 2 years and are MANY many many hundreds of investigators strong. It IS like with the JW's coming to your door (as was mentioned earlier). If you invite them in you better have proof and scriptures to back you up, because they do and bring the bible to back them up. (which I AM!) Same with us here. You come to us, with us here with thousands of pages of proof of our time researching. So I suppose you have read it ALL?? Do you come here with your thousands of pages of foot work to back up your beliefs in coming into our forum and try to make all of us hundreds of people strong change our beliefs into YOUR beliefs, without any info coming with you to even consider?
Don't come here trying to change us...Research, then come back. Or just stay home.
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don't forget that he collapse alone, and after in front of Prince, and after in front of Prince and Paris
…and based on that ambulance picture… he was 10 or 15 years younger.
Don't forget judges ALWAYS have stuffed animals on their desk/courtroom :lol:
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This is not my home. Home is where my family is. This is a cold PHPBB platform, where i can't even find Michael anymore. This all turned to be about you, smart superior members who "know better".
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Believers, chill, you have nothing to prove to non-believers. Why are you so upset? You are trying too hard and that makes you look angry and frustrated. This is not a contest and it's not a narcisistic battle between believers team and non-believers either. I thought all this energy you put in this forum is for Michael himself and not for rude answers caused by other's belief. And if you can only handle believers around why don't you just ban people who think different. This way your comfort is not disturbed anymore and your community will be even stronger feeding each other with hopes, L.O.V.E. and sweet waiting, without trolls, haters aka non-believers.
Patricia, Sandy, Key 1guest ETC, would you please stick to one username and stop pretending you are a different guest everytime? We don't tolerate trolls in here
And chill, nobody is attacking anyone, but stop trolling
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I thought moderators know how to trace an ip at least.
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oh, or does it look more encouraging for your members to make all those guests look as 1?:) ok, be it. we are one and the same and we are trolls! there, you can go on with your nice topics about your love for Michael now.
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oh, or does it look more encouraging for your members to make all those guests look as 1?:) ok, be it. we are one and the same and we are trolls! there, you can go on with your nice topics about your love for Michael now.
:? :?: :?: :?
Mods can check IPs.
Good, then you have nothing to do on this forum
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if mods can check ip's , you just proved you're useless.
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You make no sense, I'll lock this thread, again we don't want trolls on this forum.
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I will reopen this thread. Let them show their true colors, we know who will have the best laugh in the end.
For the non-believers stalking this forum, I have a few questions to start with, to give you a chance to show us why we are nutcases. If you can answer all these questions with a good argumented answer, I will have some more for you, but I don't think I will have to.
Michael:
M1. After watching MJ videos including Thriller and Ghosts: is there any reason why MJ would not have thought to do a real life Thriller—especially since he was married to LMP, and the Elvis hoax death theory is very well known?
M2. If MJ did plan a hoax death, is there any time that would fit better with a full moon (Thriller) and 777 than: 6-25-09 death (77 days to 9-9-09), 7-7-09 memorial (full moon & 7 years from will), 9-3-09 burial (7 days to 9-9-09, & almost full moon), and all the other numerology?
M3. Being a big fan of old movies, and also choosing to remake Gilda in TII: it’s not possible that MJ was unaware of Mundson/Macready faking his death in Gilda (and also sharing MJ’s birthday). So if MJ was not planning on faking his death: would he be so cruel as to include Gilda in TII, and make his fans think he was planning a hoax death when in reality he was not?
Statistics:
S1. Even if MJ was unaware of the hoax death in Gilda: what are the chances that he accidentally did a remake of a fake death by an actor sharing his own birthday?
S2. What are the odds that all the hoax numerology and timing is merely coincidence (and show your calculations, not just your answer)? (see challenge in quotes below).
S3. Things which occur randomly, and are not planned, will happen more than once. So can you give at least one example of a similar death timing, that happened by chance—where the timing repeatedly fit with specific three-digit and/or four-digit numbers (not single-digit numbers), numbers that were emphasized by that same person before the death (hint: neither Elvis nor 2pac come anywhere close)?
Family:
F1. From the death to the burial more than two months later, why did we never see a single tear shed from a single family member (not even Paris, in her touching speech at the memorial)? And why did the children looked bored at the memorial? And why did the adults all wear dark glasses (so that we could not see the tears, or not see the lack of tears)?
F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???
F3. Why was the burial delayed for a world-record longest time? And why did the family schedule it for 9-3-09: unless it had to do with the 7 days to 9-9-09, and the full moon (on 9-4-09)?
F4. Why was the funeral recorded on a movie set? (see video).
[youtube:lz4nzmhb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqLFYYHxk0A[/youtube:lz4nzmhb]
$999 Reward!!!
On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.
Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.
Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).
Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.
Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.
Be sure to include:
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).
Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.
If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!
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@~Souza~ Thank you! LOL I was reading the antics on here yesterday and then saw it was locked. I was kind of... upset... because, while I don't agree with ridicule, I didn't wish them silenced either. I kid you not, I thought to myself if it was still open I would have encouraged two things 1. for them to answer TS's questions (the ones you posted) and 2. for them to state why they believe he is dead (and to back it up).
I have always maintained that I do not form an opinion then shut my mind to everything else that goes counter to it. I keep an open mind and always want to hear if someone has a different opinion. It is very possible that what I believe is wrong and I can't be so self righteous to think otherwise. It just so happens based on my research, I believe that what I believe is right. :-) But I'm open to being proven wrong.
So thanks for reopening it and to all those who believe MJ is dead, please take the time, and be patient, to show us where you believe we are blinded. Remember, if it's coming from a place of love, we will gladly listen.... well I guess I can only speak for me... I will gladly listen. :D
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Speaking of Ghosts, in it he died, went to ash and then came back to life with the bad man gone and those "normal" people having a real acceptance of him for who he really was.
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I don't know why do you think they care about those questions.
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I don't know why do you think they care about those questions.
They probably don't, but that's okay. In this case we gave them the opportunity to actually back up their claims. If they can't or won't answer them and still keep screaming that he's dead, then they are simply ignorant and my point is proven.
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I think in english they say "when the hell will freeze" or something like that.....
When the hell will freeze they will try to answer because they are set on "Michael is dead - RIP Michael" like robots.
Good night.
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I don't know why do you think they care about those questions.
They probably don't, but that's okay. In this case we gave them the opportunity to actually back up their claims. If they can't or won't answer them and still keep screaming that he's dead, then they are simply ignorant and my point is proven.
;) And some called us 'mean" for "smelling' their stinky ass trolls from a distance :lol: :lol:
Why are you so interested troll to know "Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?" wanna come in and check for yourself? oopss sorry the door is closed for you...click your heels 3 times and go in your world Mj ain't gonna answer the door :lol:
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I don't know why do you think they care about those questions.
They probably don't, but that's okay. In this case we gave them the opportunity to actually back up their claims. If they can't or won't answer them and still keep screaming that he's dead, then they are simply ignorant and my point is proven.
;) And some called us 'mean" for "smelling' their stinky ass trolls from a distance :lol: :lol:
I know there's no point talking to these people because if they are who I suspect they are - I just know there's no point.
And I don't think I'm wrong about who they are. Their mission is just to make some believers life a living hell.
Whatever......
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Souza wrote:
Let them show their true colors, we know who will have the best laugh in the end.
I absolutely agree. This not only applys to the posters who come on here and try to get a reaction out of the believers/hoax investigators but IMO also can be said about members here on the forum. 8-)
Yesterday I was reading the comments on this thread and I already saw it heading in the direction of a lock down. I went offline for a minute and sure enough it was locked when I got back online. I will also say I was disappointed that it got locked.
My reasons though besides it being a great lesson for the hoaxers here but more so for freedom of speech regardless if it goes against what the majority feel here on the forum about Michael being alive. What I am about to say will most likely give some people a feeling of wtf no she didn't just say that...lol
This whole thing here in this thread from all the multiple personalities mocking us is a good example of how hoaxers respond. Most responded with just their own
feelings/opinions. :|
Regardless of the posters intentions and that they lacked evidence to back up their claim of Michael being dead neither did the members/believers/hoaxers/Soldiers bring evidence that he is alive. :shock:
There is going to come a time when Michael is gonna reveal himself completely and come out from behind the curtain; he is going to need the support of his Soldiers for his return to be safe. If his Soldiers get flustered and frustrated now when a little ole troll comes along; how in the world can he really depend on his Soldiers when it really counts?
I was going to post yesterday but the thread was locked and I am very glad to see it re-opened. Thanks Souza. Now would be a good time to really come together in unity. 8-)
I am ending my post with some words of wisdom that have been there for over a year now. I pray we do it better than what we have been doing for the last year. ;)
One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...
[youtube:1taka6to]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:1taka6to]
viewtopic.php?f=125&t=3391 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=3391)
by TS » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:11 pm
1-7. Why Would the “Return” Depend on Hoaxers?
Several have asked: why would the timing of the MJ return be dependent (at least partly) upon few thousand hoax believers, and their understanding/accepting the TIAI information? A simple answer is that the reaction of the few before the return, can be a pretty good indicator of the reaction of the many after the return
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... =72&t=1991 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1991).
But think about it. After returning, MJ can speak publicly about the environment and other issues related to healing the world; but with some aspects, well I think you can figure things out. As soon as MJ returns, there will be a stampede on all the hoax forums; there will be tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, suddenly interested in what we have been investigating and saying all along. So if we hoax believers now are united on the reasons for the hoax: it will be much more effective when others come asking questions, than if we are all confused and disagreeing on the reasons for the hoax.
1-11. The Lynyrd Skynyrd Example
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
...once the opposition to MJ’s message has gone away, then MJ will be ready to “Return”!
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OK.....
I truly hope these guests will prove me wrong .....
I truly hope there's a chance to change that attitude I had to deal with a long time now.
Come on girls.....can you do that?
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:3vymio6x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:3vymio6x]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:24xeyq62]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:24xeyq62]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
Well i think he chooses his words very wise so he never got banned ...IF indeed he is/was here.
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:4d3dmy71]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:4d3dmy71]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
Well i think he chooses his words very wise so he never got banned ...IF indeed he is/was here.
Some of his charachters maybe, but others might have liked to play around. You heard the man, he likes MORPH. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:2h38zsa0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:2h38zsa0]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
Well i think he chooses his words very wise so he never got banned ...IF indeed he is/was here.
Some of his charachters maybe, but others might have liked to play around. You heard the man, he likes MORPH. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: I would !
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by GINAFELICIA » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:23 pm
I think in english they say "when the hell will freeze" or something like that.....
When the hell will freeze they will try to answer because they are set on "Michael is dead - RIP Michael" like robots.
Good night.
It's "when hell freezes over". I know what you're saying, it's like "over my dead body".These guys obviously feel confident that they are right and are obnoxiously arrogant about it as well. Just the way some personalities are like. Has anyone seen a reality show called, "Bully Beatdown", where someone has been bullied, the bully is invited to take on a fighter, but they don't know the fighter is stronger. The winning money goes to the victim. After they get whupped, their personality usually changes to less arrogant and more understanding of how they had acted in bullying. Psychology I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv30bcu9G4Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv30bcu9G4Q) I guess I'm saying that the only thing that will put non-believers in their places is Michael's return, but strong evidence as Souza presents could also make them think, hopefully.
TS
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
MJ may have morphed into several members we've chatted with here, I feel strongly. 8-) :)
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by GINAFELICIA » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:23 pm
I think in english they say "when the hell will freeze" or something like that.....
When the hell will freeze they will try to answer because they are set on "Michael is dead - RIP Michael" like robots.
Good night.
It's "when hell freezes over". I know what you're saying, it's like "over my dead body".These guys obviously feel confident that they are right and are obnoxiously arrogant about it as well. Just the way some personalities are like. Has anyone seen a reality show called, "Bully Beatdown", where someone has been bullied, the bully is invited to take on a fighter, but they don't know the fighter is stronger. The winning money goes to the victim. After they get whupped, their personality usually changes to less arrogant and more understanding of how they had acted in bullying. Psychology I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv30bcu9G4Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv30bcu9G4Q) I guess I'm saying that the only thing that will put non-believers in their places is Michael's return, but strong evidence as Souza presents could also make them think, hopefully.
TS
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
MJ may have morphed into several members we've chatted with here, I feel strongly. 8-) :)
Maybe TS talks about himself :lol: :lol: 'we'/some of us reject his theories and said unkind things to him...
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@~Souza~ Thank you! LOL I was reading the antics on here yesterday and then saw it was locked. I was kind of... upset... because, while I don't agree with ridicule, I didn't wish them silenced either. I kid you not, I thought to myself if it was still open I would have encouraged two things 1. for them to answer TS's questions (the ones you posted) and 2. for them to state why they believe he is dead (and to back it up).
I have always maintained that I do not form an opinion then shut my mind to everything else that goes counter to it. I keep an open mind and always want to hear if someone has a different opinion. It is very possible that what I believe is wrong and I can't be so self righteous to think otherwise. It just so happens based on my research, I believe that what I believe is right. :-) But I'm open to being proven wrong.
So thanks for reopening it and to all those who believe MJ is dead, please take the time, and be patient, to show us where you believe we are blinded. Remember, if it's coming from a place of love, we will gladly listen.... well I guess I can only speak for me... I will gladly listen. :D
I agree with you lilwendy! I keep an open mind to every opinion i hear or read. I do not say rude things to people just because i don't like what they say. I'll try to put myself in to their shoes first, research, try to find facts and only after that i can agree or disagree with them. Non believers please do not judge us before you know all the facts. Please back up your opinion. :)
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That would be so funny! Imagine any of us fighting with Michael here in forum ... cursing him and asking him to leave!
I think he can have lots of fun here! :twisted:
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I am pretty sure that I have, on at least one occasion, accused Michael Jackson of ripping off my theory :oops:
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:1f76j1dw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:1f76j1dw]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
Imagine that Souza, that would be priceless. He will have a press conference when he will come back and state, that he got his ass banned from Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigatiors. He will say they open a forum in my honor and they kicked my ass out. :lol:
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:h3kvtyfa]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:h3kvtyfa]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
Imagine that Souza, that would be priceless. He will have a press conference when he will come back and state, that he got his ass banned from Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigatiors. He will say they open a forum in my honor and they kicked my ass out. :lol:
Oh my gosh you guys have me laughing so hard!!! If I was MJ I definitely would have several profiles and i would even talk to myself to make sure people don't know I'm one in the same! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re: the clip above, totally off topic, I could look at his mouth form a smile all day... it's something about how it moves and kinda curves in the corners.... oh I'm not explaining myself well... anyway, I find it most fascinating! :-)
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I am pretty sure that I have, on at least one occasion, accused Michael Jackson of ripping off my theory :oops:
that's funny :lol:
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One more thing; yes I am convinced Michael uses this forum...[/b][/color]
[youtube:3p66eb3w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CP0CL7yEQ[/youtube:3p66eb3w]
LOL, I agree. And I think I might even have banned his ass a few times. How funny would it be to come into the chat, telling the truth by saying you're MJ, then get your ass kicked and told you're an annoying troll? I bet no one ever dares to say that to him face to face, so that must be funny to him. Just think of it, wouldn't you if you were in his shoes? :lol:
very funny
this reminds me of a story about Elvis, I don't know if it's true.
The story is that Elvis himself participated in a contest for the best Elvis impersonator and he lost :lol:
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MJonmind Thank you for correcting my bad English.
TS
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
MJ may have morphed into several members we've chatted with here, I feel strongly. 8-) :)
I remember when TS said that - I really paid attention to it.
But I totally believe TS is right about this - that people would reject what he said.
About our feeling that MJ was here, morphed into several members...........I don't know, I was thinking the same but when someone thought I was MJ :shock: I realised how easy we can deceive ourselves. Let's face it, we are here because we have something in common with MJ, something deep inside that vibrates on the same wave length. In a way we are all Michael Jackson, in a way.......we studied him for so long, we assimilated his ideas that maybe we morphed ourselves a bit in MJs....
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Re: the clip above, totally off topic, I could look at his mouth form a smile all day... it's something about how it moves and kinda curves in the corners....
That is exactly what O2 dude doesn't have, while it's kind of a trademark of MJ. To me that was a dead giveaway that O2 dude is not MJ.
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Re: the clip above, totally off topic, I could look at his mouth form a smile all day... it's something about how it moves and kinda curves in the corners....
That is exactly what O2 dude doesn't have, while it's kind of a trademark of MJ. To me that was a dead giveaway that O2 dude is not MJ.
THANK YOU!!!!! I KNOW!!!! :D I'm so happy you understand me! :lol:
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But it's not always there, only when he's feeling particularly happy and relaxed (perhaps prankish), not when uncomfortable in certain circumstances.
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But it's not always there, only when he's feeling particularly happy and relaxed (perhaps prankish), not when uncomfortable in certain circumstances.
I think I know what you mean....from a hoax point of view he's a prakster......
I hope we don't have a very twisted image of him....he's shy but dearing, victim but master, high morals but prakster, sexy but virgin, totally weird but totally normal and so on and so on....... dead but alive
My head hurts....sorry I think I lost it....I need a break
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Now that the thread is reopened i'd like to mention that i was only 1guest and not the other usernames that the moderator pointed. I never said i believe Michael is dead in the first place, just like i haven't cleared my opinion about him being alive either. All i wanted to answer was that if i were him i wouldn't come back next time. So that certainly doesn't point me as a non-believer. As for the fact that some of you got upset for saying this, maybe you are spending too much time in this forum and you don't understand how one feels when he comes reading it. In your desperate way of connecting the dots to a specific result (Michael being alive) you even sell your heart (because i am sure you don't want to offend him or his family) and your intelligence. And may i add that not all of the members do that so this doesn't apply to all, just to be clear. As a matter of fact, some of you seem to be great people who still have good sense and moderation. This is just my short observation as an emotionally person detached of this forum, so it shouldn't offend anyone. And moderators should get their facts straight before giving false information about usernames just to create a wrong perception and influence members' attitude against guests. This is cheating.
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very funny
this reminds me of a story about Elvis, I don't know if it's true.
The story is that Elvis himself participated in a contest for the best Elvis impersonator and he lost :lol:[/quote]
LOL I also heard about this story, absolutely great! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
@1guest: why don´t you join us? This forum lives from different characters, opinions, points of view...
I personally, I still don´t know what to think ( alive / passed away... ) because I am no friend of make-believe and I need some hard facts before I believe in anything. But since 2 years I feel that there is something weird about the story, and in this forum I can find so many facts and ideas in one place, put together by intelligent people in hard work.
I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
Every opinion is welcome to me. What I don´t welcome is being rude and nasty to someone who doesn´t share the own opinion. I don´t want to be rude to anyone, whoever it is, if it´s hidden Michael or anyone else.
I just don´t answer to those who are rude. Then it gets boring and they will stop.
I know that so many fans are desperately waiting for him to come back.
But what will wait for him? The press will be even worse. There was no unwatched step before, it will be even worse afterwards.
For Michael´s own sake, he should wait until he feels really strong enough to "face the enemy", or maybe he won´t come back because he´s enjoying his freedom and privacy. I could understand it. In this case we´ll never know if he´s still alive or not.
Who knows.
I just want to know what´s behind all this weird tabloid stuff, I want the pieces to be put together.
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I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
There is one other group which include me and some others: those who know he's alive. I don't want it to be true, I'm not doubting and I don't think he's dead. I KNOW he's alive after 2 years of research. There is not a single trace of doubt in my mind about that.
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I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
There is one other group which include me and some others: those who know he's alive. I don't want it to be true, I'm not doubting and I don't think he's dead. I KNOW he's alive after 2 years of research. There is not a single trace of doubt in my mind about that.
I'm in the same group as you Souza! 21+ months and doubt never enters my mind, I know Michael's alive, I feel it.
And yes, I think he uses this forum on a regular basis. If I were him, I wouldn't be able to resist!
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Re: the clip above, totally off topic, I could look at his mouth form a smile all day... it's something about how it moves and kinda curves in the corners....
That is exactly what O2 dude doesn't have, while it's kind of a trademark of MJ. To me that was a dead giveaway that O2 dude is not MJ.
THANK YOU!!!!! I KNOW!!!! :D I'm so happy you understand me! :lol:
I do not know what kind of smile you see in o2 Michael but I see the SAME beautiful smile and teeth. He has very unique features like his curved fingers and his face features that ANY of the impersonators have. Can that be an impersonator that we have never ever seen before? I say NO again. Not every single feature can be the same with Michael. So IMO that was definitely Michael at 02. I'm not going to get into an argument about this but I dislike reading posts like "the 02 guy was like this, 02 guy was like that... he was looking terrible, his smile was not good etc." You guys are so sure that he wasn't Michael but you need to think that what if he was? He would be hurt by the things you are saying about him. Don't you think? Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your opinion about 02 Michael but I just think that we need to be more careful what we're saying about him as he could be really him, and to me it was definitely Michael himself. I never hesitated about it.
Here are some pictures to make the comparison. When we look at Michael's recent pictures, I see no difference than Michael at 02 except the wig.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2rrkldg.jpg) (http://i55.tinypic.com/2ptv4fc.jpg) (http://i54.tinypic.com/2co680w.jpg) (http://i53.tinypic.com/20f2qf8.jpg) (http://i54.tinypic.com/ir2pl5.jpg) (http://i52.tinypic.com/29o4vme.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/b81chi.jpg) (http://i53.tinypic.com/2rdx08i.jpg) (http://i54.tinypic.com/1hckm1.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/2jeu368.jpg)
His beautiful long and curved fingers.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/r6xtmf.jpg) (http://i56.tinypic.com/fks4d1.jpg) (http://i55.tinypic.com/2i6la3n.jpg)
Finally I'm going to say that nobody looks like his/her 20s at 50s. I'm not saying that he looks old, no way, he looks amazing but we couldn't expect him to look the same when he was at his 20s or 30s. And again, we shouldn't forget that nobody looks exactly the same in every single picture or footage. The lighting, the angle, the mood of the person and many more things effect the shooting. For better comparison check out these pictures and how the lighting can create a difference btw two same shots. The nose, the smile looks different in each of them.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
This video is a good one to make the comparison btw Michael and 02 Michael. Blessings to all.
[youtube:3fdj8bxu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-e7vizNWEM&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube:3fdj8bxu]
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There were 2 O2 dudes. One on stage and one behind the curtain. The one behind the curtain was Mike, the one on stage was not. The one on stage has a different smile.
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"You guys are so sure that he wasn't Michael but you need to think that what if he was? He would be hurt by the things you are saying about him. Don't you think? Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your opinion about 02 Michael but I just think that we need to be more careful what we're saying about him as he could be really him, and to me it was definitely Michael himself. I never hesitated about it."
Totally agree, Purelove.
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I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
There is one other group which include me and some others: those who know he's alive. I don't want it to be true, I'm not doubting and I don't think he's dead. I KNOW he's alive after 2 years of research. There is not a single trace of doubt in my mind about that.
There were 2 O2 dudes. One on stage and one behind the curtain. The one behind the curtain was Mike, the one on stage was not. The one on stage has a different smile.
That´s exactly how i feel too. ;)
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There were 2 O2 dudes. One on stage and one behind the curtain. The one behind the curtain was Mike, the one on stage was not. The one on stage has a different smile.
LOL @ PureLove; that video even convinces me even more that O2 dude was not MJ.
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There were 2 O2 dudes. One on stage and one behind the curtain. The one behind the curtain was Mike, the one on stage was not. The one on stage has a different smile.
Actually not. I saw those pictures too. People thought that it was Michael behind the curtain but that was just the flash part of the camera and people thought that there were two Michaels but that was a picture of Michael getting on to the stage. The same one. Where did you see two Michaels at the same time? If there's a picture of that, I would love to see it.
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PureLove, nice pictures. As for me, I'm not definitively sure one way or the other regarding whether "02 dude" was truly MJ.
Andrea, even though I’m a Newbie, after studying this forum, I too believe that MJ contributes to it on a regular basis.
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
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I will probably die before knowing for sure if there was Michael or a double at O2.
I just don't know.
First impression was that it wasn't him.
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"You guys are so sure that he wasn't Michael but you need to think that what if he was? He would be hurt by the things you are saying about him. Don't you think? Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your opinion about 02 Michael but I just think that we need to be more careful what we're saying about him as he could be really him, and to me it was definitely Michael himself. I never hesitated about it."
Totally agree, Purelove.
Michael is a big boy, I think he can handle it and if he has a problem with my opinion, he can fax me. But let's look at it from the other perspective. Many many many people said since March 5, 2009 that it was NOT MJ. So I am not the only one who saw it. What if it's not MJ? And some of his true fans don't even see it's not him? Wouldn't THAT be painful? Again, he did it all on purpose and he's a big boy, so I don't think he will lose any sleep over it, but think about it.
I have said since March 5, 2009 that the guy on stage at O2 was not MJ and I still have that same opinion. I might have another Michael Jackson in mind though, because this guy does not resemble the Michael Jackson I know in any way.
Anyways, this is going in circles. No one will be able to convince me O2 dude was Michael, for many many reasons I am not going to repeat again. Do a search on the forum if you're interested.
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I'm about to join this group. I have had some doubts, but of late I can't get in touch with that. I feel so strongly that he lives that it's almost touchable. Michael Jackson is NOT dead which I now understand the apathy on the parts of those people whose allegiance I had earlier questioned. They are going on about their business as if no murder has occurred and as if they don't care what happens in the case because if they didn't have a clue, then someone by now has surely pulled their coat tails to the fact this is all smoke and mirrors. I speak of Reverend Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and others not in the music entertainment field but who are advocates for equality and justice. If Michael was about to seriously be hanged in the L.A. County Justice Department, they would be making a fuss so big, the whole world would know it. That they aren't concerned, that alone speaks volumes to me. Add the rest of this nonesense and it's a done deal. Michael Jackson IS NOT dead. I'm off the fence and full on board. I am convinced.
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.
Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
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I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
There is one other group which include me and some others: those who know he's alive. I don't want it to be true, I'm not doubting and I don't think he's dead. I KNOW he's alive after 2 years of research. There is not a single trace of doubt in my mind about that.
I'm in that group too. Have been since the O2 announcement, even before the "death", I knew that wasn't Michael. I FEEL it. Even w/o clues I'd know, they just reaffirm what I feel. Even with so called "proof" that he is really dead if that day comes, it will be manufactured proof, because my heart and head feel otherwise.
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"Michael is a big boy, I think he can handle it and if he has a problem with my opinion, he can fax me."
Be careful, some people might even believe your "innocent" jokes. Unless that is what you want;)
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Pure Love....I agree 100% with you. All these pictures are the same person. I realize that Michael most likely had doubles to defer the crowds at some point for his own safety, however, whether the TII was suppose to be concerts or a movie, why would he put in a double for that? He was a perfectionist, would he leave that to someone else? I think not. I just don't understand why everyone is determined to believe that was not him. God, I hope he doesn't read here.
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Mee too. Especially the "freaky clown smile" part.
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I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
There is one other group which include me and some others: those who know he's alive. I don't want it to be true, I'm not doubting and I don't think he's dead. I KNOW he's alive after 2 years of research. There is not a single trace of doubt in my mind about that.
I'm in that group too. Have been since the O2 announcement, even before the "death", I knew that wasn't Michael. I FEEL it. Even w/o clues I'd know, they just reaffirm what I feel. Even with so called "proof" that he is really dead if that day comes, it will be manufactured proof, because my heart and head feel otherwise.
Sorry, that´s right, I forgot your group of hoaxers...
I would love to join you, but I´m not in that stage yet. It´s a 2 year amount of posts, opinions, facts I still have to check. I have to get the puzzle together.
@purelove, thanks for the photos!
I don´t have any opinion yet if it´s Michael at O2 or an impersonator.
Love&Peace
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eternalflame, this is the wonderful opportunity to turn from a doubter to a knower. Being part of a group. Once you graduate, you can proudly name yourself so.;) Just a joke:)- I guess it's the envy i feel for the graduated students.
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I have to get the puzzle together.
Good luck, and if you succed, please share.
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"Michael is a big boy, I think he can handle it and if he has a problem with my opinion, he can fax me."
Be careful, some people might even believe your "innocent" jokes. Unless that is what you want;)
It's clearly a joke. People make something out of everything and I can't help that. But okay, for the record: that was a joke, Mike does not have my fax number.
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well I don't know if Michael uses this forum but there's definitely "somebody watchin me" here :lol: I'm probably a lost case of paranoia
[youtube:1e9cmodh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MQpsGSdVOI[/youtube:1e9cmodh]
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Re: the clip above, totally off topic, I could look at his mouth form a smile all day... it's something about how it moves and kinda curves in the corners....
That is exactly what O2 dude doesn't have, while it's kind of a trademark of MJ. To me that was a dead giveaway that O2 dude is not MJ.
THANK YOU!!!!! I KNOW!!!! :D I'm so happy you understand me! :lol:
I do not know what kind of smile you see in o2 Michael but I see the SAME beautiful smile and teeth. He has very unique features like his curved fingers and his face features that ANY of the impersonators have. Can that be an impersonator that we have never ever seen before? I say NO again. Not every single feature can be the same with Michael. So IMO that was definitely Michael at 02. I'm not going to get into an argument about this but I dislike reading posts like "the 02 guy was like this, 02 guy was like that... he was looking terrible, his smile was not good etc." You guys are so sure that he wasn't Michael but you need to think that what if he was? He would be hurt by the things you are saying about him. Don't you think? Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your opinion about 02 Michael but I just think that we need to be more careful what we're saying about him as he could be really him, and to me it was definitely Michael himself. I never hesitated about it.
Here are some pictures to make the comparison. When we look at Michael's recent pictures, I see no difference than Michael at 02 except the wig.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2rrkldg.jpg) (http://i55.tinypic.com/2ptv4fc.jpg) (http://i54.tinypic.com/2co680w.jpg) (http://i53.tinypic.com/20f2qf8.jpg) (http://i54.tinypic.com/ir2pl5.jpg) (http://i52.tinypic.com/29o4vme.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/b81chi.jpg) (http://i53.tinypic.com/2rdx08i.jpg) (http://i54.tinypic.com/1hckm1.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/2jeu368.jpg)
His beautiful long and curved fingers.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/r6xtmf.jpg) (http://i56.tinypic.com/fks4d1.jpg) (http://i55.tinypic.com/2i6la3n.jpg)
Finally I'm going to say that nobody looks like his/her 20s at 50s. I'm not saying that he looks old, no way, he looks amazing but we couldn't expect him to look the same when he was at his 20s or 30s. And again, we shouldn't forget that nobody looks exactly the same in every single picture or footage. The lighting, the angle, the mood of the person and many more things effect the shooting. For better comparison check out these pictures and how the lighting can create a difference btw two same shots. The nose, the smile looks different in each of them.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
This video is a good one to make the comparison btw Michael and 02 Michael. Blessings to all.
[youtube:6aowdxwm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-e7vizNWEM&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube:6aowdxwm]
I'm with you PureLove..and i hope that if Michael will come back he will clear the thing about "o2"
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Michael is a big boy, I think he can handle it and if he has a problem with my opinion, he can fax me. But let's look at it from the other perspective. Many many many people said since March 5, 2009 that it was NOT MJ. So I am not the only one who saw it. What if it's not MJ? And some of his true fans don't even see it's not him? Wouldn't THAT be painful? Again, he did it all on purpose and he's a big boy, so I don't think he will lose any sleep over it, but think about it.
I have said since March 5, 2009 that the guy on stage at O2 was not MJ and I still have that same opinion. I might have another Michael Jackson in mind though, because this guy does not resemble the Michael Jackson I know in any way.
Anyways, this is going in circles. No one will be able to convince me O2 dude was Michael, for many many reasons I am not going to repeat again. Do a search on the forum if you're interested.
He doesn't need to fax you for every wrong thing you say or assume Souza. He wouldn't bother to do that. He doesn't owe us to explain every single thing in this hoax whether we find the right one or the wrong one. I'm not against any different opinions but using insulting words to describe him is rude and disrespectful and all I'm saying is, it doesn't matter what we believe but the ones who believe that it wasn't him at 02 should be careful in chosing the words when describing 02 Michael. Well, I just stated my opinion as I saw that you made a comment about 02 Michael. I made several posts about this issue before and do not need to make any search on the forum about it no more. I'm convinced enough to believe that it was Michael at 02.
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.
Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
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Mee too. Especially the "freaky clown smile" part.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Anyways, I'm done with this issue. I stated my opinion about it and asked from people not to be rude against MJ at 02 whether you think he is MJ ot not MJ. Nothing can change my mind about this. I'm sure that it was Michael himself. And I'm not going to argue about this issue. I just want people to be polite. I hope I made my point. Now back to topic.
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I can understand those who WANT to believe that he is still alive, I can understand those who are doubting, and I can understand those who say: he is gone, life goes on .....
There is one other group which include me and some others: those who know he's alive. I don't want it to be true, I'm not doubting and I don't think he's dead. I KNOW he's alive after 2 years of research. There is not a single trace of doubt in my mind about that.
I'm in that group too. Have been since the O2 announcement, even before the "death", I knew that wasn't Michael. I FEEL it. Even w/o clues I'd know, they just reaffirm what I feel. Even with so called "proof" that he is really dead if that day comes, it will be manufactured proof, because my heart and head feel otherwise.
I'm a KNOWER too. I was a non-believer for a month but then I started to find the inconsistencies and became a believer. I had many ups and downs for a couple of months. I find hope and lose faith but 3 or 4 months later, I realized that I'm a Knower and as I say always, even if Michael comes to me and says that he's passed, I wouldn't believe him! I'm that sure he is alive which makes me a Knower. :)
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To Know is with reference to some ascertained fact; as ‘I know that the earth moves around the sun.’
To believe implies faith, trust or confidence in some person or thing in the absence of certain proof; as ‘i believe in the goodness of God.’
To think means to consider, to be of opinion – ‘I think it will rain’.
To suppose means to assume or presume with or without good reason – ‘You will soon be going to the hills, I suppose.’
To trust means to hope. You will soon be better I trust.
To hope means to anticipate an event as pleasurable. I hope he will recover from his illness.
To expect means merely to anticipate an event without reference to whether it is painful od pleasurable.
These verbs are often confused with one another by non-native students.
From: http://authspot.com/thoughts/the-differ ... z1ID01SjTw (http://authspot.com/thoughts/the-difference-between-know-believe-think-suppose-trust-and-hope/#ixzz1ID01SjTw)
So...what is your verb in this hoax?
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To Know is with reference to some ascertained fact; as ‘I know that the earth moves around the sun.’
To believe implies faith, trust or confidence in some person or thing in the absence of certain proof; as ‘i believe in the goodness of God.’
To think means to consider, to be of opinion – ‘I think it will rain’.
To suppose means to assume or presume with or without good reason – ‘You will soon be going to the hills, I suppose.’
To trust means to hope. You will soon be better I trust.
To hope means to anticipate an event as pleasurable. I hope he will recover from his illness.
To expect means merely to anticipate an event without reference to whether it is painful od pleasurable.
These verbs are often confused with one another by non-native students.
From: http://authspot.com/thoughts/the-differ ... z1ID01SjTw (http://authspot.com/thoughts/the-difference-between-know-believe-think-suppose-trust-and-hope/#ixzz1ID01SjTw)
So...what is your verb in this hoax?
There is not a non-native student here. We all know <<=== what KNOW means. So my verb is===>>To Know is with reference to some ascertained fact; as ‘I know that Michael Joe Jackson is Alive.’
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Ok purelove, i really like your determination. The part with "non-native student" was implied in the copied text, not adressed to you of course. I just thought that to believe means to assume having some puzzle gathered after rethinking some facts, while knowing means in this case have this information certain 100% from a direct source like Michael himself (or being in on hoax). In my point of view you are not a knower, otherwise you and everyone else here wouldn't be still here investigating. If you were a knower, you were Michael himself, and i don't think you or anyone here is and if you were in on hoax you wouldn't be a member posting information because he wouldn't involve unreiable traitors in such a serious business.
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Ok purelove, i really like your determination. The part with "non-native student" was implied in the copied text, not adressed to you of course. I just thought that to believe means to assume having some puzzle gathered after rethinking some facts, while knowing means in this case have this information certain 100% from a direct source like Michael himself (or being in on hoax). In my point of view you are not a knower, otherwise you and everyone else here wouldn't be still here investigating. If you were a knower, you were Michael himself, and i don't think you or anyone here is and if you were in on hoax you wouldn't be a member posting information because he wouldn't involve unreiable traitors in such a serious business.
I KNOW the earth is round, even though I have never been in a spaceship high enough to see it with my own eyes. Does that mean I only believe that it is round? No, because there are other factors that are telling me that the earth is round, I don't need to be in a spaceship for that. Get my point?
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You wanna know what my word is?
I DOUBT.
For me doubting is an active process which keeps me being as objective as possible. To doubt means for me: for every point or fact there could be an opposite. Can I find it?
To doubt helps me seeing both sides of the medal. As long as I don´t KNOW I will DOUBT, that´s my way of handling the hoax.
Love & Peace!
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I understand your point Souza. But Michael being alive is not a general truth scientifically proved and accepted. It's just a supposition. So, in this case (just in this case) , you cannot be knowers. At least not yet. If this word makes you feel better, ok then - you're a knower. But if you say this to believers expects some questions you might not be able to answer. Because you are not a knower:)
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"I DOUBT.
For me doubting is an active process which keeps me being as objective as possible. To doubt means for me: for every point or fact there could be an opposite. Can I find it?
To doubt helps me seeing both sides of the medal. As long as I don´t KNOW I will DOUBT, that´s my way of handling the hoax."
with this attitude eternalflame, you have more chance to be listened by non-believers than any knower around. what's blocking the communication is "we know better", when in fact both sides understand that none can handle the truth in this secret delicate situation called "hoax".
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Ok purelove, i really like your determination. The part with "non-native student" was implied in the copied text, not adressed to you of course. I just thought that to believe means to assume having some puzzle gathered after rethinking some facts, while knowing means in this case have this information certain 100% from a direct source like Michael himself (or being in on hoax). In my point of view you are not a knower, otherwise you and everyone else here wouldn't be still here investigating. If you were a knower, you were Michael himself, and i don't think you or anyone here is and if you were in on hoax you wouldn't be a member posting information because he wouldn't involve unreiable traitors in such a serious business.
We're all here still because we're getting new clues almost every single day. Michael didn't give a couple of clues and then stopped. The clues are still coming. And there's a show part of this hoax which is the Greatest Show On Earth and we will be missed it if we stop following it. And with more than thousands of clues and facts we have found till today, they make us KNOWERS. It doesn't matter with what aspect you get it but I KNOW that he is alive. You have no idea about what we have found and still finding to make us Knowers or Believers, so no need to discuss about it. I'm 1500% SURE that he is alive! I'm that certain about it. I do not need to see him in flesh and bone to know that he is alive. he has done enough and showed us enough to make us know that he is alive. Seeing is not believing. Believing is seeing.
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This is so funny.....first time I heard these words you guys are telling now here was from my 9 years old son who told me after Michael died "mom, I don't believe Michael is alive, I KNOW Michael is alive!!" :lol: :lol: :lol:
He was so cute and funny saying it so determined...
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"We're all here still because we're getting new clues almost every single day."
Why? You are a knower.
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This is so funny.....first time I heard these words you guys are telling now here was from my 9 years old son who told me after Michael died "mom, I don't believe Michael is alive, I KNOW Michael is alive!!" :lol: :lol: :lol:
He was so cute saying it so determined...
Just because he saw Earth Song video and cried when the trees were cut down he thought he KNEW Michael is alive because he thought the man who cared so much about the planet couldn't die that easy.
Amen! (amin!)
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Gina, your son must be so sweet. And i agree with him. Michael should live forever.
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"We're all here still because we're getting new clues almost every single day."
Why? You are a knower.
I know that he is alive. I do not know what the next clue is going to be and I can not learn it if I don't follow it. And
There's a show part of this hoax which is the Greatest Show On Earth and we will be missed it if we stop following it.
Why would I miss it? This is an amazing journey and I'm enjoying every single moment of it. And I won't be leaving the train till we arrive the last station.
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I see, purelove. Is this also something you know? Or believe? The part of his comeback i mean. And if you know this too, do you also know when? I just wonder how much should one wait for. A few months? Years?
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I see, purelove. Is this also something you know? Or believe? The part of his comeback i mean. And if you know this too, do you also know when? I just wonder how much should one wait for. A few months? Years?
I don't think there's an answer to this because Michael said he will be back in his own time :? whatever that means...can be the next reincarnation or simply July, but he didn't mention the year :lol:
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I see, purelove. Is this also something you know? Or believe? The part of his comeback i mean. And if you know this too, do you also know when? I just wonder how much should one wait for. A few months? Years?
"We're all here still because we're getting new clues almost every single day."
Why? You are a knower.
I know that he is alive. I do not know what the next clue is going to be and I can not learn it if I don't follow it.
Only Michael knows about his return. We'll wait and see.
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Yes but is there something to wait for? This is the question.
Gina, "in my own time" - to me it's simply a rehearsal. Actually not to me. It really is a rehearsal.
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Yes but is there something to wait for? This is the question.
Gina, "in my own time" - to me it's simply a rehearsal. Actually not to me. It really is a rehearsal.
You mean that Michael's time is gone?like he no longer has a 'meaning' to the entertainment world..he's done his part?
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
I don't think he will come back.
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Yes but is there something to wait for? This is the question.
Gina, "in my own time" - to me it's simply a rehearsal. Actually not to me. It really is a rehearsal.
Of course it is a rehearsal, but the way they used it at the end of the movie transformed it into something more....or were they just playing with us? What for?
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
I don't think he will come back.
In this case he has to be dead.
no come-back = dead IMO
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Yes but is there something to wait for? This is the question.
Seeing his beautiful smile again, listening his angelic voice again, but most importantly seeing him happy with his kids again...
And also I do wonder how this hoax is going to end. And I'm waiting to scream at non-believers' faces "I TOLD YOU" :lol:
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
You are twisting the word of KNOW. We KNOW that he is alive. We never claimed that we know when he is going to come back. Get the facts right please.
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
I don't think he will come back.
In this case he has to be dead.
no come-back = dead IMO
no no no...to me it does not mean that...to me it is like 'i'm alive and i want to live my life ...my personal precious life that's left for me' but the thing is that if indeed it's a hoax he should have changed the death-scene....the drugs and stuff...with "he fell off the stairs and 'died" :(
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Gina, Michael may be alive but that doesn't mean others couldn't take advantage of it.
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Gina, Michael may be alive but that doesn't mean others couldn't take advantage of it.
Sorry I don't understand....are you implying that "others" planted symbolical clues to cultivate the idea that he is alive? But what do they have to gain? Money I don't think so, believers are not so many to count in the sales figures :?
Or maybe I don't understand what you are trying to say
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Gina, Michael may be alive but that doesn't mean others couldn't take advantage of it.
Sorry I don't understand....are you implying that "others" planted symbolical clues to cultivate the idea that he is alive? But what do they have to gain? Money I don't think so, believers are not too many to count in the sales figures :?
Or maybe I don't understand what you are trying to say
I'm with Gina, please explain.
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Le Papillon Bleu, i always thought there are other ways to fake a death than leaving a manslaughter trial behind. If so, then it would be a logical think to come back. Because if his plan was to never come back then why these clues you all discovered in this forum? Just to let us know that he is alive? What;s the use? As a gift for fans maybe? Don't worry , don't cry, i am alive. Could be and we are grateful if that's what he wanted. But then what's with this trial?
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
I don't think he will come back.
In this case he has to be dead.
no come-back = dead IMO
no no no...to me it does not mean that...to me it is like 'i'm alive and i want to live my life ...my personal precious life that's left for me' but the thing is that if indeed it's a hoax he should have changed the death-scene....the drugs and stuff...with "he fell off the stairs and 'died" :(
If you believe this is a hoax, you should believe in a comeback. Because like you said Le Papillon, if he did the hoax just to run away and live his life, he wouldn't involve Murray in. He would have done such a simple hoax like a car accident or a simple heart attack. He would have given a couple of simple clues to let us know that he is alive but as you know, we keep on finding new clues everyday. So this is much much more than just a simple run away plan. Now cheer up sweety and smile again because we will see the King again in flesh and bone. ;)
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no no no...to me it does not mean that...to me it is like 'i'm alive and i want to live my life ...my personal precious life that's left for me' but the thing is that if indeed it's a hoax he should have changed the death-scene....the drugs and stuff...with "he fell off the stairs and 'died" :(
I do not believe this version. Maybe my obsession of trying to understand him distorted his image in my head but I simply don't think Michael would fake his death for less than saving the world, vengeance, proving a point about the media, fighting prejudice and so on.
I don't see him hiding on a distant island for the rest of his life. Unless he takes me with him :lol: :lol: :lol:
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no, i meant will there be a physical comeback? Purelove, Souza are knowers.
I don't think he will come back.
In this case he has to be dead.
no come-back = dead IMO
no no no...to me it does not mean that...to me it is like 'i'm alive and i want to live my life ...my personal precious life that's left for me' but the thing is that if indeed it's a hoax he should have changed the death-scene....the drugs and stuff...with "he fell off the stairs and 'died" :(
If you believe this is a hoax, you should believe in a comeback. Because like you said Le Papillon, if he did the hoax just to run away and live his life, he wouldn't involve Murray in. He would have done such a simple hoax like a car accident or a simple heart attack. He would have given a couple of simple clues to let us know that he is alive but as you know, we keep on finding new clues everyday. So this is much much more than just a simple run away plan. Now cheer up sweety and smile again because we will see the King again in flesh and bone. ;)
:D okay okay i'm back on my feet fiuhhhhh
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Le Papillon Bleu, i always thought there are other ways to fake a death than leaving a manslaughter trial behind. If so, then it would be a logical think to come back. Because if his plan was to never come back then why these clues you all discovered in this forum? Just to let us know that he is alive? What;s the use? As a gift for fans maybe? Don't worry , don't cry, i am alive. Could be and we are grateful if that's what he wanted. But then what's with this trial?
That's what i ask myself some times .....i guess it must be something big? maybe these people are selling drugs to celebrities ? that's why they die each and every day in hotel rooms and so on? maybe he tries to expose them...maybe...maybe not....i'm running into circles here....my feet are on fire :lol: :lol:
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It is very late here and I'm sorry I have to go to bed now.
It was an interesting evening, thank you all for being here.
Good night everyone, good night dear Michael, wherever you are.....on that distant island in Pacific :lol: or in heaven :cry:
I love you and miss you like crazy :(
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"others" planted symbolical clues to cultivate the idea that he is alive
Yes. And yes, believers are in a small percentage, the BOOM was not as expected, probably that's why they stopped planting.
Michael i alive to me but i don't buy any clues. If the clues are real and not just to mess with our heads, and he doesn't come back, then there is a nonsense and a big paradox.
For me, Michael is alive because the funeral told me so and not some crazy fakers, insiders, birds, cryptical messages , you tube videos and all these stuff that's not even fun anymore, just boring. The funeral was for me the movie Michael directed and i got my answers there. I guess you are just as tired of fake clues and dots as i am.
To sum up, my opinion is that Michael is alive, did it for himself, will never come back and all these clues are BS.
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If you believe this is a hoax, you should believe in a comeback. Because like you said Le Papillon, if he did the hoax just to run away and live his life, he wouldn't involve Murray in. He would have done such a simple hoax like a car accident or a simple heart attack. He would have given a couple of simple clues to let us know that he is alive but as you know, we keep on finding new clues everyday. So this is much much more than just a simple run away plan. Now cheer up sweety and smile again because we will see the King again in flesh and bone. ;)
:D okay okay i'm back on my feet fiuhhhhh
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It is very late here and I'm sorry I have to go to bed now.
It was an interesting evening, thank you all for being here.
Good night everyone, good night dear Michael, wherever you are.....on that distant island in Pacific :lol: or in heaven :cry:
I love you and miss you like crazy :(
Good night Gina and the hoax family ...it's morning here :lol: bed :geek: awaits
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.
Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
That's photoshop, not lighting.
I will post my last pictures about this issue, hopefully you will get what I mean. I am not being disrespectful, I am simply saying O2 dude is not Michael.
I have shopped a picture from Mike from 2005 into O2 dude and put it next to O2 dude for comparison. Not the same person. I don't look at details because they can be altered with photoshop, prostetic make-up and stuff like that, I am looking from a distance. Lips/mouth totally don't match, the lines next to the mouth don't match when they smile (Mike has a U-shape, while O2 dude has a V-shape, hope you get what I mean) and Mike's nose is wider and cleft is shorter and rounder.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt01.jpg)
One might argue that that picture was taken 4 years before the O2 press conference and that people can change in 4 years. I agree, that is totally possible with plastic surgery and all of that and I would totally buy that, if I hadn't seen a picture from Michael only 1 day after the press conference, where he seems to look EXACTLY like he looked in 2005. Round, full lips, short round cleft, instead of a long small cleft, and the wider nose again.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt02.jpg)
The guy behind the curtain looks like the man from March 6 and 2005 as well, round lips, short cleft. Crappy quality, but still.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt03.jpg)
O2 dude has painted lips, if you zoom in you can actually see the original shape, which is pretty thin and straight:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt04.jpg)
Michael on the other hand always had round, full lips, and he had them still on March 6:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt05.jpg)
So, that's it. That was my last attempt and I will never discuss it again.
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If you believe this is a hoax, you should believe in a comeback. Because like you said Le Papillon, if he did the hoax just to run away and live his life, he wouldn't involve Murray in. He would have done such a simple hoax like a car accident or a simple heart attack. He would have given a couple of simple clues to let us know that he is alive but as you know, we keep on finding new clues everyday. So this is much much more than just a simple run away plan. Now cheer up sweety and smile again because we will see the King again in flesh and bone. ;)
:D okay okay i'm back on my feet fiuhhhhh
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Hugs P<3
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It is very late here and I'm sorry I have to go to bed now.
It was an interesting evening, thank you all for being here.
Good night everyone, good night dear Michael, wherever you are.....on that distant island in Pacific :lol: or in heaven :cry:
I love you and miss you like crazy :(
Good night Gina and the hoax family ...it's morning here :lol: bed :geek: awaits
Night to both of you. (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0047.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0059.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0052.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.
Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
That's photoshop, not lighting.
I will post my last pictures about this issue, hopefully you will get what I mean. I am not being disrespectful, I am simply saying O2 dude is not Michael.
I have shopped a picture from Mike from 2005 into O2 dude and put it next to O2 dude for comparison. Not the same person. I don't look at details because they can be altered with photoshop, prostetic make-up and stuff like that, I am looking from a distance. Lips/mouth totally don't match, the lines next to the mouth don't match when they smile (Mike has a U-shape, while O2 dude has a V-shape, hope you get what I mean) and Mike's nose is wider and cleft is shorter and rounder.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt01.jpg)
One might argue that that picture was taken 4 years before the O2 press conference and that people can change in 4 years. I agree, that is totally possible with plastic surgery and all of that and I would totally buy that, if I hadn't seen a picture from Michael only 1 day after the press conference, where he seems to look EXACTLY like he looked in 2005. Round, full lips, short round cleft, instead of a long small cleft, and the wider nose again.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt02.jpg)
The guy behind the curtain looks like the man from March 6 and 2005 as well, round lips, short cleft. Crappy quality, but still.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt03.jpg)
O2 dude has painted lips, if you zoom in you can actually see the original shape, which is pretty thin and straight:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt04.jpg)
Michael on the other hand always had round, full lips, and he had them still on March 6:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt05.jpg)
So, that's it. That was my last attempt and I will never discuss it again.
:shock: oookay.....I'M STARTING TO HATE PHOTOS .... :( they can be edited and they make me confuse...the lights the makeups and all....outta here!
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.
Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
That's photoshop, not lighting.
I will post my last pictures about this issue, hopefully you will get what I mean. I am not being disrespectful, I am simply saying O2 dude is not Michael.
I have shopped a picture from Mike from 2005 into O2 dude and put it next to O2 dude for comparison. Not the same person. I don't look at details because they can be altered with photoshop, prostetic make-up and stuff like that, I am looking from a distance. Lips/mouth totally don't match, the lines next to the mouth don't match when they smile (Mike has a U-shape, while O2 dude has a V-shape, hope you get what I mean) and Mike's nose is wider and cleft is shorter and rounder.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt01.jpg)
One might argue that that picture was taken 4 years before the O2 press conference and that people can change in 4 years. I agree, that is totally possible with plastic surgery and all of that and I would totally buy that, if I hadn't seen a picture from Michael only 1 day after the press conference, where he seems to look EXACTLY like he looked in 2005. Round, full lips, short round cleft, instead of a long small cleft, and the wider nose again.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt02.jpg)
The guy behind the curtain looks like the man from March 6 and 2005 as well, round lips, short cleft. Crappy quality, but still.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt03.jpg)
O2 dude has painted lips, if you zoom in you can actually see the original shape, which is pretty thin and straight:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt04.jpg)
Michael on the other hand always had round, full lips, and he had them still on March 6:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt05.jpg)
So, that's it. That was my last attempt and I will never discuss it again.
I gave lighting to that picture in photoshop Souza, so it is lighting! I didn't play with the face features. Any of us look the same in every single photo or shoot. I have pictures of myself that people do not believe it is me. :lol: And all of your pictures made me believe more that all of those are Michael. ;)
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Yep. All Michael. Any fan can see it.
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PureLove, it is fine by me. To you it's all Michael, to me O2 dude is clearly a double. But you did not light up the pics, they were posted like that on MJJpictures. It's not lighting, it's brightness. Totally different because it doesn't create shadows.
@1guest, if you believe Mike is alive and will never come back, then fine. Go back to your life and have peace with that. Non-believers will not see anything, not even if the FACTS are rubbed into their faces. Sweet hoaxers have tried, not so sweet hoaxers have tried, pictures, videos, documents, nothing helps. And if they don't want to see it, then fine by me. The keep screaming Murray is a murderer while there wasn't even a crime commited. They are condemning Murray like the media and part of the public condemned Mike.
And like PureLove said, do not twist words. We KNOW he is alive, for many reasons, we do not KNOW details about the hoax.
You are reminding me more and more of some former members, they had the same negative and "You poor believers, I know better and you are all pathetic for staying here" attitude. Why are you here? What exactly are you challenging? You are targetting peoples feelings, other than coming up with back up for your claims. That's not how it works in here. If you want to convince people of your claims, then back it up with a good story, and not some psychological chat. "Any fan can see it"? Again targetting people's feelings and no back up. Luckily I'm not a fan, but my eyes are still pretty good.
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Are you sure this answer was for me? What did i do?
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Are you sure this answer was for me? What did i do?
Oh, don't pretend as if you're not smart enough to know that yourself.
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PureLove, it is fine by me. To you it's all Michael, to me O2 dude is clearly a double. But you did not light up the pics, they were posted like that on MJJpictures. It's not lighting, it's brightness. Totally different because it doesn't create shadows.
Brightness is lighting the picture. It's been a long time but I do remember I lightened that picture on the right. It is so fine with me too, anyone can think anything. I do not attempt to change people's minds. I stated my opinion and asked from people to be polite to him even if they do not think he's Michael himself. That's what I care for. If I wanted to discuss the issue, I would be on the double thread. That is the same Michael that I've been looking at and loving for the last 25 years.
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If that answer was for me, i will be polite and i will reply.
@1guest, if you believe Mike is alive and will never come back, then fine. Go back to your life and have peace with that.
- I am in peace already because i am not waiting for anything. I'm just happy he is alive.
- Non-believers will not see anything, not even if the FACTS are rubbed into their faces. Sweet hoaxers have tried, not so sweet hoaxers have tried, pictures, videos, documents, nothing helps. And if they don't want to see it, then fine by me. The keep screaming Murray is a murderer while there wasn't even a crime commited. They are condemning Murray like the media and part of the public condemned Mike.
-That's their problem. Just like people who don't believe in God. I couldn't care less. Everyone is a free spirit. I don't see why should we convert non-believers. This is not a sect.
-And like PureLove said, do not twist words. We KNOW he is alive, for many reasons, we do not KNOW details about the hoax.
Thank you for clearing that.
You are reminding me more and more of some former members, they had the same negative and "You poor believers, I know better and you are all pathetic for staying here" attitude. Why are you here?
-Because i am a human being with an internet connection, willing to have social conversations about a topic that i love: MJ.
What exactly are you challenging?
-I don't have an agenda, i am just a guest on a forum.
You are targetting peoples feelings, other than coming up with back up for your claims. That's not how it works in here.
-What claims?
If you want to convince people of your claims, then back it up with a good story, and not some psychological chat.
-What claims?
"Any fan can see it"? Again targetting people's feelings and no back up. Luckily I'm not a fan, but my eyes are still pretty good.
-Targetting people's feelings? Now you're being sensitive? What about the freaky clown smile that O2 dude had?
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If that answer was for me, i will be polite and i will reply.
@1guest, if you believe Mike is alive and will never come back, then fine. Go back to your life and have peace with that.
- I am in peace already because i am not waiting for anything. I'm just happy he is alive.
- Non-believers will not see anything, not even if the FACTS are rubbed into their faces. Sweet hoaxers have tried, not so sweet hoaxers have tried, pictures, videos, documents, nothing helps. And if they don't want to see it, then fine by me. The keep screaming Murray is a murderer while there wasn't even a crime commited. They are condemning Murray like the media and part of the public condemned Mike.
-That's their problem. Just like people who don't believe in God. I couldn't care less. Everyone is a free spirit. I don't see why should we convert non-believers. This is not a sect.
-And like PureLove said, do not twist words. We KNOW he is alive, for many reasons, we do not KNOW details about the hoax.
Thank you for clearing that.
You are reminding me more and more of some former members, they had the same negative and "You poor believers, I know better and you are all pathetic for staying here" attitude. Why are you here?
-Because i am a human being with an internet connection, willing to have social conversations about a topic that i love: MJ.
What exactly are you challenging?
-I don't have an agenda, i am just a guest on a forum.
You are targetting peoples feelings, other than coming up with back up for your claims. That's not how it works in here.
-What claims?
If you want to convince people of your claims, then back it up with a good story, and not some psychological chat.
-What claims?
"Any fan can see it"? Again targetting people's feelings and no back up. Luckily I'm not a fan, but my eyes are still pretty good.
-Targetting people's feelings? Now you're being sensitive? What about the freaky clown smile that O2 dude had?
I never claimed to be sensitive, because I am not. There is not a single post on this forum from me stating that I'm a sensitive person. Actually, I have never said anything at all about my characteristics because none of that is important on here.
O2 dude has a snarky smile, yes. That is my opinion and I have the right to voice that opinion. Snarky means: sarcastic, impertinent, or irreverent in tone or manner. Next time I will say that I think he has a sarcastic grin, any better? Anyways, not the same mouth as the MJ we see a day later. If anyone thinks different about that, fine by me.
I am talking about your claims that Michael is not coming back, we are waiting for nothing and that the clues found in the past 2 years are BS. It's fine to think so, but if you post it, you should back up your claims. Same as with the O2 dude remark towards me, "any fan could see that" is not backing up your claim that the guy on stage is Michael, it's based on emotions. I posted pictures, PureLove posted pictures, you are simply saying that if you say that O2 dude is not Michael, that you are not a fan. Like I said, I am NOT a fan, so I couldn't care less, but there are also people on here thinking the same who ARE fans. Who are YOU to say they are not real fans? Give me a break. They could say the same to you.
So anyone who wants the last word on this, go ahead. I have better things to do than discussing stuff like this again. I don't like to repeat myself.
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Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20mdlg.jpg)
Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.
Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/9gbukg.jpg)
That's photoshop, not lighting.
I will post my last pictures about this issue, hopefully you will get what I mean. I am not being disrespectful, I am simply saying O2 dude is not Michael.
I have shopped a picture from Mike from 2005 into O2 dude and put it next to O2 dude for comparison. Not the same person. I don't look at details because they can be altered with photoshop, prostetic make-up and stuff like that, I am looking from a distance. Lips/mouth totally don't match, the lines next to the mouth don't match when they smile (Mike has a U-shape, while O2 dude has a V-shape, hope you get what I mean) and Mike's nose is wider and cleft is shorter and rounder.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt01.jpg)
One might argue that that picture was taken 4 years before the O2 press conference and that people can change in 4 years. I agree, that is totally possible with plastic surgery and all of that and I would totally buy that, if I hadn't seen a picture from Michael only 1 day after the press conference, where he seems to look EXACTLY like he looked in 2005. Round, full lips, short round cleft, instead of a long small cleft, and the wider nose again.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt02.jpg)
The guy behind the curtain looks like the man from March 6 and 2005 as well, round lips, short cleft. Crappy quality, but still.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt03.jpg)
O2 dude has painted lips, if you zoom in you can actually see the original shape, which is pretty thin and straight:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt04.jpg)
Michael on the other hand always had round, full lips, and he had them still on March 6:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O2_last_attempt05.jpg)
So, that's it. That was my last attempt and I will never discuss it again.
:shock: oookay.....I'M STARTING TO HATE PHOTOS .... :( they can be edited and they make me confuse...the lights the makeups and all....outta here!
Explain me how these pictures of Michael resembles themselves. That is not the same Michael. Look at the picture at your right, look at the nose, just the nose can tell you it is not the same person. The face is totally different, and it is not by lighting.
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In my opinion he will never come back because it makes no sense to pull this entire ellaborated risky delicate hoax (especially for his family), to make everyone lie, your children your family, to make them lose all their respect and credibility, to make them look like freaks and feed tabloids with other hateful titles, to put them through a hell where haters will damn him and his family like the Jacksons weren't a target for bad mouths enough. I dont see why he would stay for so long far away from his children, this is the best reason for me to understand that what he did was not an entertainment reality show, not a movie, not a planned thing. I don't understand how his comeback would accomplish without legal issues for him, family, doctors, cornoer, witnesses, and fake trials (in case it's fake. if it's not fake then it's even worse) . If all is just legal and no one's corrupted with FBI involved then i dont get Murray's part. Is FBI part of the entertainment show too? Does not make sense, FBI doesn't support you in entertainemnt. If he was helped by FBI to escape from i dont know, threatnings, and it's all legal with the help of FBI then again what 's Murray's part in this and what's this trial about. Isnt FBI smarter than this? Or Michael? Dont they know how to pull a hoax without a trial? The trial part shouts for me one big conclusion: CORRUPTION. The hoax is not as clean in this case. If it was, there would have been no trial. WHAT FOR? Again, i want to make myself as clear as possible: this is my opinion and i cannot state it better than that because i never claimed i know, so i cannot back it up with a "story". I have no evidence, you dont have either. We just assume. And all i can do is use my logic.
On the other hand, i also thought about the BAM. Ok, let's assume it's so and i ignore all my cons against BAM. Ok so he BAMS. What for? To prove what?
-revenge on a corrupted system? What for? Justice was done in his case. The accused was found: NOT GUILTY.
-expose illuminati,change the world, save the world? and if he expose them then what happens? do you think the whole world is Michael's fan? We all love him on this forum and we dont choose to spend time with haters, but that doesnt mean there are not everywhere outside. And they are not just a small group. And even if not haters, do you think everyone is touched by Michael's spirit or willing to listen to his message? It's their loss, but no. Think about that, not even a tragedy, a small apocalypse like Japan doesn wake us up.
-to make the greatest reality show ever. I could buy that. But not with the sacrifice children, family and fans waiting fot this is it concerts. I am sure he would have found other ways, less painful ways for his children.
So before asking why wouldn't he come back, we should ask why would he? What for? What could have determined Michael to stay away from his children for so long? What's more important than his children?
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Now you see the bottom lips go crooked, well that is Michael.
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Now that wasn't so difficult? Was it?
In my opinion he will never come back because it makes no sense to pull this entire ellaborated risky delicate hoax (especially for his family), to make everyone lie, your children your family, to make them lose all their respect and credibility, to make them look like freaks and feed tabloids with other hateful titles, to put them through a hell where haters will damn him and his family like the Jacksons weren't a target for bad mouths enough.
Does it make sense to you to pull off this hoax with all the shit attached to it (cancelled tour, funeral partly on a movie set, a staged trial etc,) if he would just go chillin' on an island? If he would stay away? Nah, that makes no sense at all. He would have crashed with a plane or something else and he would have released a picture of him dead in a coffin, or at the autopsy table, and no one (or at least almost no one) would have had doubts about his death. He also could just have retired, he wasn't much in the public eye anyway for years already. He could have called Hoefflin, dyed his hair blond and head off to nowhereland. He could have taken the kids with him, because it was only until very shortly before June 25 he decided to show their faces. Had he not done that, he could have easily be my neighbour without me ever knowing who he was. Showing the kids faces means he can't live somewhere quietly with them. Why would he do that if he wasn't planning on returning? And people have made fun of the Jacksons for ages, they can take it just a little longer, knowing there won't be much to laugh at once the truth prevails.
I dont see why he would stay for so long far away from his children, this is the best reason for me to understand that what he did was not an entertainment reality show, not a movie, not a planned thing.
First of all, we don't even know he really is far away from his chilren, but IF he is, even more reason to return. Like stated above, the whole world saw their faces, they will be recognized for the rest of their lives. Do you think he will stay in hiding and see them in secret with the risk of being caught? Again, it would have made much more sense if he had not shown their faces, if he was planning to hoax his death and never return.
I don't understand how his comeback would accomplish without legal issues for him, family, doctors, cornoer, witnesses, and fake trials (in case it's fake. if it's not fake then it's even worse) . If all is just legal and no one's corrupted with FBI involved then i dont get Murray's part. Is FBI part of the entertainment show too? Does not make sense, FBI doesn't support you in entertainemnt. If he was helped by FBI to escape from i dont know, threatnings, and it's all legal with the help of FBI then again what 's Murray's part in this and what's this trial about. Isnt FBI smarter than this? Or Michael? Dont they know how to pull a hoax without a trial? The trial part shouts for me one big conclusion: CORRUPTION. The hoax is not as clean in this case. If it was, there would have been no trial. WHAT FOR?
If this is a sting operation, there is a HUGE possibility that it started years and years ago. Pepsi triggered his drug addiction? Or did it make him so terribly mad that he was determined to get those responsible? Maybe the deal with the FBI is that he would go 'undercover' as Michael Jackson the drug addict, to expose corruption in medical world and the music industry. He made himself look like a perfect victim for snakes. He surrounded himself with lots of people he shouldn't have surrounded himself with. I never understood that, but who says that he didn't do that on purpose, to get information? I never believed any of the drug stories, nor did I ever believe he was broke. All smoke and mirrors if you ask me to catch the big fish. In return the FBI might help him with this hoax, which is probably part of the operation as well, but apart from it, it is his chance to show the world what an artist he is and how he can beat his own, unbeatable record. Sting operation or not, he's still an artist and an entertainer.
I never had to deal with stuff like this, so I am only guessing. I do know that such operations do exsist and that civilians are being used as bait and informers.
Again, i want to make myself as clear as possible: this is my opinion and i cannot state it better than that because i never claimed i know, so i cannot back it up with a "story". I have no evidence, you dont have either. We just assume. And all i can do is use my logic.
On the other hand, i also thought about the BAM. Ok, let's assume it's so and i ignore all my cons against BAM. Ok so he BAMS. What for? To prove what?
-revenge on a corrupted system? What for? Justice was done in his case. The accused was found: NOT GUILTY.
By the jury, yes. But the public and the media? Acquitted maybe, but just do a search on the internet. You really don't want to feed the ignorant souls that still say he's a pedophile and a child molester. The system did him justice, the media took him down. He could have been acquitted 10 more times, the damage was done in 1993 and they gave him the final shot in 2005. Biased media and media that lies is what is destroying our civilization and our world. They do not only damage the images of celebrities, they also cover up the lies of the government.
-expose illuminati,change the world, save the world? and if he expose them then what happens? do you think the whole world is Michael's fan? We all love him on this forum and we dont choose to spend time with haters, but that doesnt mean there are not everywhere outside. And they are not just a small group. And even if not haters, do you think everyone is touched by Michael's spirit or willing to listen to his message? It's their loss, but no. Think about that, not even a tragedy, a small apocalypse like Japan doesn wake us up.
Michael has always believed he was on this earth for a reason, he has a mission and yes, I believe he is right. If there is ANYONE on this planet capable of waking up the masses, it's Michael Jackson. I am not a fan, and it took me a few months before I understood it all, but I listened and I questioned. I know many many people, and of all those people, I have only heard one person say that he was a pedophile and a child molestor and that he hated him. I didn't even start on that person, because there was no use. 2% haters? 48% fans and 50% people like me, who are not fans per se but willing to listen and question? A friend of mine told me months ago that I was crazy. I challenged him and gave him homework every week. Movies, articles, documentaries. He became my personal project. He doesn't think I'm so crazy now. He doesn't believe anything I say and that's good. He reads up and gets back at me to challenge me. Last time I saw him he told me: "I don't believe anything anymore they say on TV, I am reading up on everything they are reporting and some shit doesn't make sense at all." Mission accomplished. It will take a while before the rest of the world will accept as well, even those who love him to death. But he will sure be able to make a huge start in a turn this world needs so bad, before it can't be reversed. And the shock-factor will help too, plus the involvement of the FBI in all this. Corruption, greed for money and power is what will end this world, way before mother nature kills herself. The world will keep turning, with or without us. Only we can make sure we will stay a part of it, and only he can reach that many people at once, with a shock factor like this.
-to make the greatest reality show ever. I could buy that. But not with the sacrifice children, family and fans waiting fot this is it concerts. I am sure he would have found other ways, less painful ways for his children.
So before asking why wouldn't he come back, we should ask why would he? What for? What could have determined Michael to stay away from his children for so long? What's more important than his children?
As for the children, see what I wrote above. I do not see the kids in pain at all, they look happy. The kids are most likely very much involved and play their part. Maybe he sees them on a regular basis, maybe not. We don't know. All I know is that those kids look happy and seem to be doing a great job. And his children ARE important to him, that is exactly why he is doing this.
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It's funny how people can prove totally opposite points with resonable arguments.
Both of you seem to be right.
Yet in Michael's case I have no doubt that if he is alive he will be back.
I don't have time or patience or the best english knowledges to explain my point, plus my emotions often take over my mind, but I am very sure that Michael won't do things in Elvis' way, to just dissapear.
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I think his track record of trying to one-up the competition is another argument for why MJ won't pull an Elvis. Simple fact, Death-Hoax-No-Come-Back has already been done. It's nothing new, or innovative at all. If anything it's tired and cliche', thank you Tupac fans.
"Just like Elvis"... no no no, Better then Elvis! That's how MJ does things. Since when has MJ ever been "just like" anyone?
You can't ignore a person's track record of behavior when trying to form a prediction of how they might act in the future. No good investigator would do so.
I know Michael Jackson is still alive. I believe very strongly that he plans to come back.
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1guest, I appreciate you challenging us one more time.
It may appear to the outside of this forum that we are nutters, waiting our life away, hopping from potential clue to potential clue, desperately expecting the new ones every single minute, being hooked on this board like a fish on a worm.
Speaking only for myself, this perception does not apply at all and makes me smile.
My presence here is of this kind:
[youtube:2pndy5ma]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoqB5LkI_ZI[/youtube:2pndy5ma]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoqB5LkI_ZI
While being here I am getting to know the man when I knew the mask only until now, I am accompanying him here and at other places and thus I am relying on him as much as he is relying on me and all others standing by his side.
These are my verbs: relying and trusting.
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I think his track record of trying to one-up the competition is another argument for why MJ won't pull an Elvis. Simple fact, Death-Hoax-No-Come-Back has already been done. It's nothing new, or innovative at all. If anything it's tired and cliche', thank you Tupac fans.
"Just like Elvis"... no no no, Better then Elvis! That's how MJ does things. Since when has MJ ever been "just like" anyone?
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That's what I wanted to say. If it's not innovative - it's not Michael
ohhhhhhhhhhhh.......
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who's on an unknown location in the west of Africa?
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who's on an unknown location in the west of Africa?
There was someone viewing the forum from Bahrain today... :shock: :? :lol: ;) 8-) :shock:
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who's on an unknown location in the west of Africa?
There was someone viewing the forum from Bahrain today... :shock: :? :lol: ;) 8-) :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I would go for a private ship in the Atlantic because Kenny said Michael is not on this earth anymore.....maybe he's on water :lol: :lol: :lol:
I was hoping the "unknown" to come and say who he is so I can take a break :mrgreen:
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Gina, when you officially are 100% convinced MJ's alive and with us, that will be a cause for us to celebrate! That'll make my day!
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Gina, when you officially are 100% convinced MJ's alive and with us, that will be a cause for us to celebrate! That'll make my day!
OK I think I could celebrate - but only after being revived - because if he comes back first thing that it's gonna happen to me is a heart attack
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Souza, i must say your arguments were logic to me, i appreciate them a lot. The part that convinced me is (i just recall a quote) - he can't stay in hiding without his children a lifetime. We can all figure how the children are constantly followed by paparazzi (some would love to catch the big fish, in case they feel that something is strange in MJ's "death" (and i believe all people who don't live through media's truth could feel that). Along with everything you said, i see you have stronger pro -s for a comeback than my con-s. But Souza, what if he doesn't come back this year? What if he doesnt' return the next year, the next 5 years, the next 10 years or at all? Does this mean he is dead?
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Grace, even if i am not a member here, i never saw you as nutters from the outside. I have an open mind and i never consider one's arguments absurd before even listening to them like some do. But to be honest, i felt like answering to this topic and said that if i were MJ i wouldn't read the forum the second time because i've noticed some members forget about Michael 's feelings in their posts. We can't just laugh about Jermaine, we can't bad mouth Joe and so on. Of course, i too have my personal feelings about Joe, but if Michael forgave him who are we to condamn him. You know, i had fights with my family, i guess we all do, and maybe i said pretty harsh things to them but i would never allow people outside my family to offend them. That is my business, not theirs. I'm sure it's the same thing here. He wouldn't feel comfortable reading it.
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I'm not sure. I think he might, because he might want to really know what the fans are thinking and how they're analyzing the hoax, and we're the #1 Hoax site... soo I don't see how he could pull off such an amazing thought out hoax like this, and then not even read the fans'/investigators' responses? :?
But then again, he might not have the time. So maybe he sent someone (cough) TS (cough) to be his informer, and he might tell this person what to say, and this person will tell Michael the responses, etc. :? :)
MJFAN7 you are on the right track. TS seems to know alot of things. I do feel that he is close to Michael, in some sort.. Maybe he is Michael who knows.
Who is TS?
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It's hard to believe Michael would post on these forums. Think about Michael saying "lol" or stuff, that's just so -not- like him. How can we recognize him? We don't know how he would write. And he can always use "lol" to draw less attention, - l33t speek and stuff.. but that's just weird if Michael did it. :D
I just don't know. :/
So, who is TS?
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Hello Hoaxbeliever we believe that TS is Michael's informer if you're interested to know more I invite you to read his posts and make up your mind about it, - warning - it's a little long :) search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts)
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Souza, i must say your arguments were logic to me, i appreciate them a lot. The part that convinced me is (i just recall a quote) - he can't stay in hiding without his children a lifetime. We can all figure how the children are constantly followed by paparazzi (some would love to catch the big fish, in case they feel that something is strange in MJ's "death" (and i believe all people who don't live through media's truth could feel that). Along with everything you said, i see you have stronger pro -s for a comeback than my con-s. But Souza, what if he doesn't come back this year? What if he doesnt' return the next year, the next 5 years, the next 10 years or at all? Does this mean he is dead?
I guess we can think about the if's later...I'm sure MJ will come in his own time...we just have to wait a little while longer. :)
I agree with Bec, MJ always has to do things better, he is always stretching the limits.
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I don't live with if-s either but in this case it's very relevant. If his return is the logical piece in this puzzle (and i agree it seems so) what does the opposite mean? Does this mean he is dead or that we were wrong about the reasons?
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I don't live with if-s either but in this case it's very relevant. If his return is the logical piece in this puzzle (and i agree it seems so) what does the opposite mean? Does this mean he is dead or that we were wrong about the reasons?
I think this is not what you want to hear but my answer to your question is: this means he is dead.
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Souza, i must say your arguments were logic to me, i appreciate them a lot. The part that convinced me is (i just recall a quote) - he can't stay in hiding without his children a lifetime. We can all figure how the children are constantly followed by paparazzi (some would love to catch the big fish, in case they feel that something is strange in MJ's "death" (and i believe all people who don't live through media's truth could feel that). Along with everything you said, i see you have stronger pro -s for a comeback than my con-s. But Souza, what if he doesn't come back this year? What if he doesnt' return the next year, the next 5 years, the next 10 years or at all? Does this mean he is dead?
I guess we can think about the if's later...I'm sure MJ will come in his own time...we just have to wait a little while longer. :)
I agree with Bec, MJ always has to do things better, he is always stretching the limits.
What if the man himself came here and said 'i'm mj',would anyone believe him?
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I guess some would believe him, some not.
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..... i felt like answering to this topic and said that if i were MJ i wouldn't read the forum the second time because i've noticed some members forget about Michael 's feelings in their posts. We can't just laugh about Jermaine, we can't bad mouth Joe and so on. Of course, i too have my personal feelings about Joe, but if Michael forgave him who are we to condamn him. You know, i had fights with my family, i guess we all do, and maybe i said pretty harsh things to them but i would never allow people outside my family to offend them. That is my business, not theirs. I'm sure it's the same thing here. He wouldn't feel comfortable reading it.
You realise you sound like Back don't you :lol: ?
(please don't mind, around every corner I see a hoax now :roll: )
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Gina, i think there are a lot who think alike in this situation:)
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Gina, i think there are a lot who think alike in this situation:)
Please don't be cryptic with me, I'm already on the edge :(
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I mean about bad talking his family.
As for your other answer, If he never comes back, i still believe he faked his death, we just missunderstood the reasons of the hoax and probably was forced to do it an dissapear. And if so, i wish he finds an easy way to reunite with his children as soon as possible, maybe when things cool down a little (we don't help him here lol) and live a happy peaceful life till the end.
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I mean about bad talking his family.
As for your other answer, If he never comes back, i still believe he faked his death, we just missunderstood the reasons of the hoax and probably was forced to do it an dissapear. And if so, i wish he finds an easy way to reunite with his children as soon as possible, maybe when things cool down a little (we don't help him here lol) and live a happy peaceful life till the end.
No. This is just not possible. Maybe your Michael is like that, my Michael is not like that and if he doesn't come back I will know he is dead because he's not a coward.
There were easier ways to dissapear, without all the circus, if he really wanted a secluded life somewhere out of the public eye. But a show-man can't live without "performing" one way or another. He was made to "shine" in the spotlight, not to hide somewhere in the dark.
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Grace, even if i am not a member here, i never saw you as nutters from the outside. I have an open mind and i never consider one's arguments absurd before even listening to them like some do. But to be honest, i felt like answering to this topic and said that if i were MJ i wouldn't read the forum the second time because i've noticed some members forget about Michael 's feelings in their posts. We can't just laugh about Jermaine, we can't bad mouth Joe and so on. Of course, i too have my personal feelings about Joe, but if Michael forgave him who are we to condamn him. You know, i had fights with my family, i guess we all do, and maybe i said pretty harsh things to them but i would never allow people outside my family to offend them. That is my business, not theirs. I'm sure it's the same thing here. He wouldn't feel comfortable reading it.
You know well that some folks do consider us having lost more than our minds ;)
(I did not address you personally.)
You are right about bad mouthing habits and how terrible just one wrong word may turn out in the end. However, before June 25, we only had regular fan boards with a lot of gossip and chitchat and bad mouthing on them and still Michael would express how much he loved his fans. After June 25, situations changed - continuation of regular fan boards and emergence of new boards with "mixed" groups of fans and non-fans having a mindset of asking "why?".
On these boards you would find different discussions compared to pure fan boards. The haters diminished (or at least calmed down) and the ridiculers had lost their prey.
Considering these developments, I'd tend to say that the bad mouthing issues have become less evident than before June 25. In my perception, Michael's reputation got a considerable positive lift and an impressive cleaning from negative rumours because people were digging into truth.
If Michael loved his fans before June 25, I don't see any reason why he would love them less after that date. IMO Michael knew exactly how manipulated some fan reactions were and so he might not have taken them as a personal assault.
Michael using the internet?
First, if I were Michael and had pulled that off, I would die to know about reactions whether I did right according to my goals. I would plan for visiting boards. It would be grossly negligent to not visit boards if there was a planned reason for June 25.
Second, it is part of human nature to ask for feedback to individual actions.
Third, it is part of human nature to want to know that one is being loved.
Fourth, Michael most likely would want his share of fun, too.
I bet he laughed his socks off many times reading our posts. :lol:
And last but not least he would be in the exclusive position of "being dead" which would allow him to be nowhere and everywhere - a true ghost and a perfect internet identity.
So my answer would be yes, Michael would be using the web.
Visiting this board? Certainly.
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Michael using the internet?
First, if I were Michael and had pulled that off, I would die to know about reactions whether I did right according to my goals. I would plan for visiting boards. It would be grossly negligent to not visit boards if there was a planned reason for June 25.
Second, it is part of human nature to ask for feedback to individual actions.
Third, it is part of human nature to want to know that one is being loved.
Fourth, Michael most likely would want his share of fun, too.
I bet he laughed his socks off many times reading our posts.
And last but not least he would be in the exclusive position of "being dead" which would allow him to be nowhere and everywhere - a true ghost and a perfect internet identity.
So my answer would be yes, Michael would be using the web.
Visiting this board? Certainly.
Oke, you have convinced me.With everything you wrote I have to agree.Being the perfectionist that he is, he has to have control and know how everyone reaction is.I was not sure if Michael himself would read here or someone close to him but now I think it must be read by himself.
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you all confuse me sooooo much...is he alive, is he dead, is he reading, isn't he reading....what a mess.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
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I mean about bad talking his family.
As for your other answer, If he never comes back, i still believe he faked his death, we just missunderstood the reasons of the hoax and probably was forced to do it an dissapear. And if so, i wish he finds an easy way to reunite with his children as soon as possible, maybe when things cool down a little (we don't help him here lol) and live a happy peaceful life till the end.
No. This is just not possible. Maybe your Michael is like that, my Michael is not like that and if he doesn't come back I will know he is dead because he's not a coward.
There were easier ways to dissapear, without all the circus, if he really wanted a secluded life somewhere out of the public eye. But a show-man can't live without "performing" one way or another. He was made to "shine" in the spotlight, not to hide somewhere in the dark.
I'm going to agree with you Gina :D
Ever since i saw "Thriller" for the first time, at age of 9, Michael became my hero! I was terrified to look on the screen (as i am scared of the dark, can't handle ghost stories, horror movies ect.) but the dance moves and the energy made me stare at it. It was something that i've never seen before and since then i could not get enough of MJ, he was ALWAYS surprising me with unique ideas. Michael is a GENIES and he could never stop "performing" one way or another and every time make us go like this :o
I can't even imagine what kind of face expressions we'll have on BAMsday! :D
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As we know Michael LOVES to read all kind of books, he said it countless times. So why not read this forum instead of books? ;)
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I mean about bad talking his family.
As for your other answer, If he never comes back, i still believe he faked his death, we just missunderstood the reasons of the hoax and probably was forced to do it an dissapear. And if so, i wish he finds an easy way to reunite with his children as soon as possible, maybe when things cool down a little (we don't help him here lol) and live a happy peaceful life till the end.
No. This is just not possible. Maybe your Michael is like that, my Michael is not like that and if he doesn't come back I will know he is dead because he's not a coward.
There were easier ways to dissapear, without all the circus, if he really wanted a secluded life somewhere out of the public eye. But a show-man can't live without "performing" one way or another. He was made to "shine" in the spotlight, not to hide somewhere in the dark.
I'm going to agree with you Gina :D
Ever since i saw "Thriller" for the first time, at age of 9, Michael became my hero! I was terrified to look on the screen (as i am scared of the dark, can't handle ghost stories, horror movies ect.) but the dance moves and the energy made me stare at it. It was something that i've never seen before and since then i could not get enough of MJ, he was ALWAYS surprising me with unique ideas. Michael is a GENIES and he could never stop "performing" one way or another and every time make us go like this :o
I can't even imagine what kind of face expressions we'll have on BAMsday! :D
I am happy that at least someone agrees with me but I'm gonna tell you I am very afraid we are now leaded to accept and endless hoax, we are asked to believe he is alive but he wil never come back. This is the scenario I am afraid of, a hoax without ending because I know I can't stay away of it and I know it will distroy my life competely.
I pray to God TS is right and we'll have a BAM ....if not, God help us, at least me. I know a total nervous breakdown is just around the corner
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I mean about bad talking his family.
As for your other answer, If he never comes back, i still believe he faked his death, we just missunderstood the reasons of the hoax and probably was forced to do it an dissapear. And if so, i wish he finds an easy way to reunite with his children as soon as possible, maybe when things cool down a little (we don't help him here lol) and live a happy peaceful life till the end.
No. This is just not possible. Maybe your Michael is like that, my Michael is not like that and if he doesn't come back I will know he is dead because he's not a coward.
There were easier ways to dissapear, without all the circus, if he really wanted a secluded life somewhere out of the public eye. But a show-man can't live without "performing" one way or another. He was made to "shine" in the spotlight, not to hide somewhere in the dark.
I'm going to agree with you Gina :D
Ever since i saw "Thriller" for the first time, at age of 9, Michael became my hero! I was terrified to look on the screen (as i am scared of the dark, can't handle ghost stories, horror movies ect.) but the dance moves and the energy made me stare at it. It was something that i've never seen before and since then i could not get enough of MJ, he was ALWAYS surprising me with unique ideas. Michael is a GENIES and he could never stop "performing" one way or another and every time make us go like this :o
I can't even imagine what kind of face expressions we'll have on BAMsday! :D
I am happy that at least someone agrees with me but I'm gonna tell you I am very afraid we are now leaded to accept and endless hoax, we are asked to believe he is alive but he wil never come back. This is the scenario I am afraid of, a hoax without ending because I know I can't stay away of it and I know it will distroy my life competely.
I pray to God TS is right and we'll have a BAM ....if not, God help us, at least me. I know a total nervous breakdown is just around the corner
I am SURE that it's not going to be an endless hoax! :D I'm sure that Michael can't wait to see the World to freak out once we see the Thriller II LIVE :lol: And our Michael will be on Top of the World once again :D
And remember that we need you here with us GINA. There are not many believers in the World anyway, we cannot loose any single member! ;)
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Souza, i must say your arguments were logic to me, i appreciate them a lot. The part that convinced me is (i just recall a quote) - he can't stay in hiding without his children a lifetime. We can all figure how the children are constantly followed by paparazzi (some would love to catch the big fish, in case they feel that something is strange in MJ's "death" (and i believe all people who don't live through media's truth could feel that). Along with everything you said, i see you have stronger pro -s for a comeback than my con-s. But Souza, what if he doesn't come back this year? What if he doesnt' return the next year, the next 5 years, the next 10 years or at all? Does this mean he is dead?
No, that would not mean he is dead. Although I do have a strong feeling he will be back this year, I also know I could be wrong. I have a date in mind that will end at least my participation in all this like I have been doing the past 2 years, but it's not in the near future. We will see what happens, but my gut feeling is mostly right.
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We can't just laugh about Jermaine, we can't bad mouth Joe and so on. Of course, i too have my personal feelings about Joe, but if Michael forgave him who are we to condamn him. You know, i had fights with my family, i guess we all do, and maybe i said pretty harsh things to them but i would never allow people outside my family to offend them. That is my business, not theirs. I'm sure it's the same thing here. He wouldn't feel comfortable reading it.
I agree on that, but some seem to find it normal to condemn the media for slandering Michael, but they do the same to his family.
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I am SURE that it's not going to be an endless hoax! :D I'm sure that Michael can't wait to see the World to freak out once we see the Thriller II LIVE :lol: And our Michael will be on Top of the World once again :D
And remember that we need you here with us GINA. There are not many believers in the World anyway, we cannot loose any single member! ;)
How could I betray Michael?
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I am SURE that it's not going to be an endless hoax! :D I'm sure that Michael can't wait to see the World to freak out once we see the Thriller II LIVE :lol: And our Michael will be on Top of the World once again :D
And remember that we need you here with us GINA. There are not many believers in the World anyway, we cannot loose any single member! ;)
How could I betray Michael?
Of course not! I just think that we should not let our emotions to take control over us. Which is very hard for me personally to do sometimes, but we must try our best to keep our emotions low in order to connect all dots in this amazing project which Michael created for us. :)
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Souza, i can't wait to see your intuition fulfilled. God help! Could you share with us that date by the way:)?
Gina, you don't leave me any chance here. Why don't you just leave a door open just in case he doesn't come back?
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No, that would not mean he is dead. Although I do have a strong feeling he will be back this year, I also know I could be wrong. I have a date in mind that will end at least my participation in all this like I have been doing the past 2 years, but it's not in the near future. We will see what happens, but my gut feeling is mostly right.
And is that date July 5th, 2011?
The date when Michael is expected to come back, right? And even if you quit participating in all this, what you quit in is sharing our opinions and stuff. You won't stop believing.
Writing our opinions wont make it happen any faster. You could just sit still, if it happens then it will. I think. :P
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Gina, you don't leave me any chance here. Why don't you just leave a door open just in case he doesn't come back?
It hurts just the thought of it ....... how could I do that :? ?!
Wrong answer again :lol: now you'll tell me it's all about him not about us and I can't argue with this
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Explain me how these pictures of Michael resembles themselves. That is not the same Michael. Look at the picture at your right, look at the nose, just the nose can tell you it is not the same person. The face is totally different, and it is not by lighting.
Those are all Michael himself. I did take photography lessons and as my profession was filmmaking, I was behind the camera many many times. Sometimes people ask you to make the shooting from the other side because they believe that they look different from the other side of their faces. Lighting has a HUGE effect on pictures. The cam angle too. Do you look the same in every single of your picture? I don't. Nobody can look the same always. I checked all of these pictures many times. I played with their contrast, brightness etc. And I'm sure that he is Michael in all of them as in the pictures I posted on the previous page. This is my opinion. Would you believe this is the same Latoya on the same day or would you think that she used a double too? In the first and the third pictures, she looks so different but in the second and fourth she looks like herself.
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Gina, i totally understand your feelings. But we are almost sure (if not sure) that he faked his death. If you hate the end of the movie it's still a movie, whether it hurts or not. Allow me ask you : would his return be a confirmation for you? Is this your proof?
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I am happy that at least someone agrees with me but I'm gonna tell you I am very afraid we are now leaded to accept and endless hoax, we are asked to believe he is alive but he wil never come back. This is the scenario I am afraid of, a hoax without ending because I know I can't stay away of it and I know it will distroy my life competely.
I pray to God TS is right and we'll have a BAM ....if not, God help us, at least me. I know a total nervous breakdown is just around the corner
I'm with Gina. This is my cross to bear and I will bear it... but I'm afraid that without the light at the end of the tunnel that it will destroy not only my life and business and personal relationships, but also my mental health.
I'm so sure... that if I'm wrong, I will forever doubt my judgment in the future. To live without confidence in your own grasp of reality is not really living. It is emotional and mental hell.
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Bec, why can't we just consider that we missunderstood the reasons of this hoax instead? Why should we consider it quit?
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Bec, why can't we just consider that we missunderstood the reasons of this hoax instead? Why should we consider it quit?
Why do I see a verdict in your words?
You scare me.
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No, no, actually i saw a verdict in Bec's words and my opinion is that we should not change our mind about this hoax no matter what. It's still a hoax with or without his return.
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That's only my opinion, of course.
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Maybe we should ask the question: why wouldn't there be a comeback? The hoax is very elaborated and the comeback is a part of it because the clues points clearly to there being a return of Michael in the end. If we accepted this to be a hoax based on the clues and evidences researched why would we not consider and accept the clues pointing to the return as well? Or we believe this to be a hoax and that there is a comeback or we don't believe this to be hoax at all because the clues and evidences like the numerology are not accepted/understood for example. What I'm trying to say is just that we cannot accept the hoax part (Michael faked his death) without including the comeback part (Michael's return to public view), both go hand in hand so to speak.
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Gina, i totally understand your feelings. But we are almost sure (if not sure) that he faked his death. If you hate the end of the movie it's still a movie, whether it hurts or not. Allow me ask you : would his return be a confirmation for you? Is this your proof?
A movie ?!
This is not a movie, these are 2 years of my life damn it!!
How can I be sure he is alive without seeing him back?! Or hearing him or having some physical evidence of his presence on this earth ?!
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No that is not my proof but at least he could give us a sign he is OK, but a REAL sign...and yes I know he doesn't owe anything to us.
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sorry....I'm really having a bad moment here.
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Sarahli, i agree.
Gina,i agree.
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You know, i felt better back with my old thoughts when his comeback wasnt implied with his faked death. Now it's like this is conditioned by the existence of the hoax.
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Sarahli, i agree.
Gina,i agree.
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You would prefer Michael to not return?
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So tonight conclusion is a sad one.... I don't even dare to say "I hope"...
good night everyone, good night dear Michael, wherever you might be .......
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You know, i felt better back with my old thoughts when his comeback wasnt implied with his faked death. Now it's like this is conditioned by the existence of the hoax.
in no way I would want him to feel forced to come back just to comfort us if the comeback is a danger to his life or to his happiness.
still....he could have mercy and let us know somehow he is OK
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Sarahli, i'll be frank. I am very afraid of others reactions in an eventual return. Maybe this is why i never wanted to accept it as a possibility. Secondly, i am afraid of being dissapointed and going nuts and i will live in status pending if i take his comeback as a proof of this hoax. So i chose to be somewhere in the middle. Believing but protecting myself. I do believe in this hoax but I CHOOSE not to believe in his return. Either way, i'm a winner in my mental state.
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"still....he could have mercy and let us know somehow he is OK"
How could he let us know? Clues seem to be the best way, he can't show us in our face. Maybe that were the clues for(if we accept them as clues for real). And maybe, just maybe, that was all we needed to know.
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Yes, i know, you're afraid of an endless hoax. I think we all are, even if we admit it or not. But...what can we do?
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Sarahli, i'll be frank. I am very afraid of others reactions in an eventual return. Maybe this is why i never wanted to accept it as a possibility. Secondly, i am afraid of being dissapointed and going nuts and i will live in status pending if i take his comeback as a proof of this hoax. So i chose to be somewhere in the middle. Believing but protecting myself. I do believe in this hoax but I CHOOSE not to believe in his return. Either way, i'm a winner in my mental state.
lol this is cute. I understand you, we have discussed about the potential reactions of the people when Michael returns. In reality it's difficult to predict with accuracy, we never know what can happen and under which circumtances this will happen. I for one am someone who strongly believes in God and i'm sure that whatever happens Michael will be protected by God. My saying this will not really help you or comfort you but this is what i believe in. :) I think that it's been difficult for everyone, we all have had our "off days" even if we don't show it but we must stay strong and keep on believing for Michael because he asked "will you be there?". I don't doubt there's gonna be an end, it cannot last forever.
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I mean about bad talking his family.
As for your other answer, If he never comes back, i still believe he faked his death, we just missunderstood the reasons of the hoax and probably was forced to do it an dissapear. And if so, i wish he finds an easy way to reunite with his children as soon as possible, maybe when things cool down a little (we don't help him here lol) and live a happy peaceful life till the end.
No. This is just not possible. Maybe your Michael is like that, my Michael is not like that and if he doesn't come back I will know he is dead because he's not a coward.
There were easier ways to dissapear, without all the circus, if he really wanted a secluded life somewhere out of the public eye. But a show-man can't live without "performing" one way or another. He was made to "shine" in the spotlight, not to hide somewhere in the dark.
I'm going to agree with you Gina :D
Ever since i saw "Thriller" for the first time, at age of 9, Michael became my hero! I was terrified to look on the screen (as i am scared of the dark, can't handle ghost stories, horror movies ect.) but the dance moves and the energy made me stare at it. It was something that i've never seen before and since then i could not get enough of MJ, he was ALWAYS surprising me with unique ideas. Michael is a GENIES and he could never stop "performing" one way or another and every time make us go like this :o
I can't even imagine what kind of face expressions we'll have on BAMsday! :D
I am happy that at least someone agrees with me but I'm gonna tell you I am very afraid we are now leaded to accept and endless hoax, we are asked to believe he is alive but he wil never come back. This is the scenario I am afraid of, a hoax without ending because I know I can't stay away of it and I know it will distroy my life competely.
I pray to God TS is right and we'll have a BAM ....if not, God help us, at least me. I know a total nervous breakdown is just around the corner
Gina...I KNOW how you feel. I too am drawn to this site, to the internet, to the hoax. I've thought, what if he just stays gone..for whatever reasons. Part of the world will just be in limbo waiting and wasting our lives waiting and wondering. But, then I think, what are these continuing signs for? Other celebs have died..and do they have all this CIRCUS?? Some have had discrepancies and court, but, cover ups, different stories from one day to the next, even from family? Some have tried to prosecute doctors, but, did they have toys in court? With other celebs, was it 2 years and NEW clues to them being alive were still coming? I think the continuation of clues tells me he'll be back. NORMAL LIFE for Michael Jackson IS in the spotlight, for good or bad, it's his normal.
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Sarahli, i see a lot of members think about his return as part of the hoax. When i joined the conversation with your group i said no way. While Souza and other members, including you, came with very strong arguments i said to myself "hm..this really makes sense". Until now i was very sure that even if he bams or not, this hoax is real. And i still do. But what about the other members who see his return as a natural ending of the hoax? What will happen to them? Sure, everyone is free to think and feel what they want, but i wouldn't want people who love Michael as part of their family, who feel like they're loosing their minds after 2 years of trying to understand the hoax and waiting, who felt this like an adventure, to turn it into a nightmare where they feel like they've wasted the time with their families, with their own children, with them in the first place. As Gina said, the thought of an endless hoax is scary and not only scary but cancelling this adventure. What Bec wrote made me very sad and i am sure a lot of people recognize themselves in those words. So why should we not leave a door open and consider the absence of his return just a missinterpretations of clues rather than 2 years wasted of (indeed not a movie, but our real life), stress, crying, hoping, believing, expecting, thinking, praying. MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!
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Sarahli, i see a lot of members think about his return as part of the hoax. When i joined the conversation with your group i said no way. While Souza and other members, including you, came with very strong arguments i said to myself "hm..this really makes sense". Until now i was very sure that even if he bams or not, this hoax is real. And i still do. But what about the other members who see his return as a natural ending of the hoax? What will happen to them? Sure, everyone is free to think and feel what they want, but i wouldn't want people who love Michael as part of their family, who feel like they're loosing their minds after 2 years of trying to understand the hoax and waiting, who felt this like an adventure, to turn it into a nightmare where they feel like they've wasted the time with their families, with their own children, with them in the first place. As Gina said, the thought of an endless hoax is scary and not only scary but cancelling this adventure. What Bec wrote made me very sad and i am sure a lot of people recognize themselves in those words. So why should we not leave a door open and consider the absence of his return just a missinterpretations of clues rather than 2 years wasted of (indeed not a movie, but our real life), stress, crying, hoping, believing, expecting, thinking, praying. MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!
Well...yes if people find it easier to handle it that way of course they can. It is not compulsory to believe in the return I guess :? they can just say to themselves that Michael is alive and not follow the hoax anymore (until BAM happens and surprises them :lol: ). But you know in reality leaving room for the absence of a return leaves room for an endless hoax :? . The thing is that if we understand and believe the reasons for the hoax maybe it will be easier to have patience because in my understanding this is not just for untertainment, this is not just to make a movie (even if it's already great) but the purpose is multiple and concerns all the people, not just the fans. We believe that the hoax has been in the planning since many years, it cannot all unfold in just a few months.
I'm not saying it's easy, not at all, i'm just saying that we must put ourselves in Michael's shoes and when i do that i strongly feel that it must not be easy for him as well, he also must be in pain as we are at times. Don't you think that he would like to comeback to reassure us? :) I am sure he would want it but he just can't because the goal has to be achieved. It is an adventure yes, a real life adventure...with joy and sorrow, and i'm pretty sure that when Michael returns all the tears will be forgotten and the people who followed this hoax will be proud of themselves because they will have witnessed and have been part of the greatest show on earth. Blessings 1guest hope you feel better soon.
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I think the problem with many people in the hoax community is that they are too focussed on a return, instead of the meaning of the 'end' of this hoax, because it will not be the end, it will only be the start of a rollercoaster even bigger than any we have been on the past 2 years. I get the feeling that many think he will bam, everything will be okay and they can buy a ticket to one of his gigs again. I don't think people realize that bam probably will not be like that. Although I am sure that bamsday will mean absolute certainty to every soul on this planet that he is alive, I am not so sure about his appearance in public after that. I am not excited for a bam because "I will see Michael again" as so many hoaxers are, although I would like to now, to show some people I'm not insane. I am excited because of what will happen after the bam. How this will have an effect on the world and hopefully bring some hope, awareness and awakening to people. There is a job to be done after the bam, and that is not making fans cry and drewl at one of his gigs. He's passed that, he has done that, and I don't believe he will get back into that again. As i have never seen any of his concerts, I would love that, but I highly doubt that. Like I said, I am not even sure we will see him 'live' at all.
People also need to take a serious break from the hoax if it is effecting their personal life in a negative way. I have put so many hours, days, months, even years into this and I had my share of getting close to depression while researching certain topics. But if it got too much, I would stay away from my computer for a few days and get out with friends. Keep your social life close as well, don't let this effect you in a negative way, because it should effect you in a positive way. If not, you're in too deep and you need a break. Some of the comments on this forum scare me, I can tell you that.
Looking back at the past almost 2 years, I have been in a rollercoaster. I have laughed, I have cried, I have banged my head against the wall, I have been amazed, I have been sad, I have listened, I have questioned and I have learned. So the bad stuff in this hoax is soon forgotten, because in the end it changed my life in a very positive way. And that's what it should do to you. And the best is still to come, so I'm holding my breath!
If he doesn't come back and shock the world? Then he must have died somewhere in between. That is how certain I am about the reasons for this hoax. I just know he can do this and I think he knows it too.
And no, I am not going to share the date. I can tell you that it is not this year, so I'll stick a little longer then my gut tells me what is needed. I have been off with other dates in the past, although those were not based on gut feeling, but calculations.
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it changed my life in a very positive way. And that's what it should do to you. And the best is still to come, so I'm holding my breath
Same here, Souza. I agree with your post.
If he doesn't come back and shock the world? Then he must have died somewhere in between.
It's also possible that it isn't Michael's plan to return to public, which I'd respect. It depends on Michael's reason of the hoax.
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"others" planted symbolical clues to cultivate the idea that he is alive
Yes. And yes, believers are in a small percentage, the BOOM was not as expected, probably that's why they stopped planting.
Michael i alive to me but i don't buy any clues. If the clues are real and not just to mess with our heads, and he doesn't come back, then there is a nonsense and a big paradox.
For me, Michael is alive because the funeral told me so and not some crazy fakers, insiders, birds, cryptical messages , you tube videos and all these stuff that's not even fun anymore, just boring. The funeral was for me the movie Michael directed and i got my answers there. I guess you are just as tired of fake clues and dots as i am.
To sum up, my opinion is that Michael is alive, did it for himself, will never come back and all these clues are BS.
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I feel the exact same way. I just dont see this big comeback like everyone else is talking abt. if he indeed faked his death. i can never say im 100percent certain tho, but i believe it was for himself only. he wanted out of that 'life' and wanted to be a normal guy. maybe his family is giving clues that he's alive? idk. but the whole thing Jerm says "you will see the truth soon" makes me think that maybe 1 he will comeback...i truly doubt it tho. was it a big FU to the press? if so its a big FU to his fans aswell no? because some are not with this hoax stuff and are still grieving? how will he explain himself? its possible he will lose fans. its possible he would be hated even more. idk its so confusing to me. the only thing that keeps me coming back here and holding on this hoax thing is the fact that this website is still up and the family is allowing PEARL JR to write those hoax books. they never told this lady nothing. never answered the tweets the hoax believers and non HB tweeted them about this lady and the websites. also Teddy riley is another one that keeps me coming back aswell. he seems so serious in his tweets ya know?
anyway, idk what to think anymore...i just want the trial to be over with and hopefull it will bring us closer to the truth. i dont care if i ever see MJ again or hear his voice. i just want him to be alive and watch his kids grow :(
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I think he is done playing LIVE concerts...luckily I saw him with his brothers in 1984...my parents were kind enough to allow that to happen..
I think there are serious, dangerous reasons why this hoax occurred. Certainly, it has allowed us to learn about the NWO/Illuminati...as well as a way to prove the media wrong.
This is what I think he intended us to see.
Jermaine said he was in "safekeeping" I knew that meant he is alive..
It made no sense that he wouldnt be in that context...Jermaine's wording is pretty clear...
the hoax videos came later on for me, I had not been aware of them before that statement...which sent me on a search and here I am almost 16 months later...
I feel bam will come sooner or later.
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So you think that he's going to stay gone forever and for whatever reason, and not live with his kids forever? Not be free to travel with them or go anyplace with them the entire rest of his/their lives? Not be free to see his grandkids and show them the world? Because of ANY reason? What could make him give up forever being free to go out into the world, travel, shop, movies, concerts, disney...whatever, forever with his kids and future grandkids? If he's alive we agree his kids know. What would make someone say, I love you so much, but I'm going to "die"/leave, and never come back again. Our lives together as a family is over forever. Sure, he could sneak and see them, but, forever??? FOREVER live in fear of being found out?? Eventually more and more people would know. It would branch out. Some people working for him, come and go, move. Airplane people...people in the homes he'd be in...you name it. FOREVER? If his kids know...then he comes back. He can't leave them forever..to sneak around forever.
TO ME.
I think, as time goes on and people get wary and skeptical, that it's normal to just say he'll go on living in secret. Actually, that was my first thoughts, the first year. We can say that he chooses to live secretly, and thus protect our hearts. But, I really, now think, he wouldn't live forever HIDING even MORE than he's had to his whole life. He hated not being able to go anyplace. Now to LIVE DEAD??? Forever? Never outside? Forever sneaking to see his kids and family. No. I don't think so.
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I don't pine for my life as it was pre-hoax because I will never be the same as I was then. This hoax has woke me up to many issues I was previously blind to. There is no implanting back into the matrix for me, even if the hoax should be over . The old saying' ignorance is bliss ' may be true for our emotions, but I think to be well informed and prepared as much as possible is a big advantage even if the knowledge gained can make me a little uncomfortable. I have been here for almost 2 years and I don't regret any of the rollercoaster. Mostly, I look back and smile about some of the crazy memories. Previously I had never participated in a forum, fan or otherwise, but I feel so strongly about the hoax and what I interprete the reasons for it, that I had to. I am persuaded that there will be a BAM!!! but if by some chance there wasn't, it would not stop me from knowing ( yes, for me, I don't seem to even question if MJ could have passed any more) that Michael did not die on 25th June 2009.
@ Gina, I believe you are much stronger than your words convey. You are still here every day regardless of the waves of emotion. Actions do speak louder than words.
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After nearly two years in all this there is nothing that is published or said in the media that makes me think that Michael is dead. I'm not expecting to see him again, I think we will see at some point I do not know when, a very clear proof that he is alive.
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Souza I agree with you all the way. This hoax is bigger than we think it is and only Michael knows the real reason. I have always believed he is alive. However I never expected him to come back and do live performances again. That is all is the past. I am sure he has so much more to do, write...can you imagine the book from this whole thing, directing, producing. Or maybe not. I really don't think we will see much of him. But I am sure he is busy working as we speak. As for the hoax ending, Michael has chosen us so to speak to speak for him to help him change the world. I am totally sure of this. Look how all of this has changed us in a positive way. Also, there are questions and will always be questions of people wondering when he comes back will it really be him....That's where the faith comes in. We can pull out our tape measure, respectively and measure him from top to bottom.... are we really sure how tall he is after how many discussions? Check his hands, his eyes...I could go on. When he comes back and we get to see him if only for a moment, I will look for his smile and the smile on his childrens faces. I will know in my heart it is him. The only way I will deny it is him is if he has 3 heads and is a lovely shade of pink. I will not put myself through the over analyzing. I will believe it's him and go to the next phase, as I believe he has plans for us. If we never see him again and the hoax fades off into the sunset, we still have a job to do, that's why we are here, that's what we have been taught. Our lives have changed, Michael helped us change, so we will help others make that change. Simple whether he is here or not (Which I believe he is) he will always be in our hearts. So, let's sit back and continue to enjoy this ride. It's definitely not over yet. Take care, Love to All
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You all have made some very valid points and I agree with so much that is said. I dont think Michael's BAM is what we all are expecting either I think he is past this part of his life and will not go back to the life that he had before this. I definitely know that he will reveal himself to us to let us know that he is alive and well but how he does that I cant say and I dont know. Whether he comes back or not I know for sure Michael will not leave us hanging and wondering like this he will show himself to us and what he does after that only Michael knows the answer to that. Much Love to all of you
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So you think that he's going to stay gone forever and for whatever reason, and not live with his kids forever? Not be free to travel with them or go anyplace with them the entire rest of his/their lives? Not be free to see his grandkids and show them the world? Because of ANY reason? What could make him give up forever being free to go out into the world, travel, shop, movies, concerts, disney...whatever, forever with his kids and future grandkids? If he's alive we agree his kids know. What would make someone say, I love you so much, but I'm going to "die"/leave, and never come back again. Our lives together as a family is over forever. Sure, he could sneak and see them, but, forever??? FOREVER live in fear of being found out?? Eventually more and more people would know. It would branch out. Some people working for him, come and go, move. Airplane people...people in the homes he'd be in...you name it. FOREVER? If his kids know...then he comes back. He can't leave them forever..to sneak around forever.
TO ME.
I think, as time goes on and people get wary and skeptical, that it's normal to just say he'll go on living in secret. Actually, that was my first thoughts, the first year. We can say that he chooses to live secretly, and thus protect our hearts. But, I really, now think, he wouldn't live forever HIDING even MORE than he's had to his whole life. He hated not being able to go anyplace. Now to LIVE DEAD??? Forever? Never outside? Forever sneaking to see his kids and family. No. I don't think so.
That's what i was thinking too fordtocarr! There is NO way Michael would leave his kids, for 2,3 or 4 years maybe (but i'm sure he never missed an opportunity to meet them ;) ) but FOREVER to be in hiding??? :shock: No way, nothing in the World would make Michael to leave his little ANGELS! That is he main reason i know that Michael will come back, not as a performer (i think), but someone who is much and much bigger than that! This hoax has changed my life forever, even though i'm a believer for only 1,5 month, during this time i've learned so much about the government, history, politics, media, art and a lot of other topics which are connected to the hoax. I have such a great respect for each and every member of this forum for trying to solve this puzzle. These 20 months must have been very difficult emotionally and physically, but all of you are still here and you do still BELIEVE! Thank you all so much for the work you've done so far, you are amazing! We must continue to keep our spirits up high that's the only way we can get through it. After Michael's BAM there will still be a plenty of work to do, because as many have said already here that this hoax is so much bigger than we can ever imagine and it's going to affect The World in a good way. I'm looking forward to see a BETTER WORLD! But what is also very important is that time to time we should take a break from the hoax, spend this time with your family and friends, those are the people who we must share our L.O.V.E with, if we don't do that then we are missing a key point of Michael's message to the World.
Thank you everyone again! And thank you Michael for this amazing adventure! :D
L.O.V.E lives forever. L.O.V.E is important.
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What Bec wrote made me very sad and i am sure a lot of people recognize themselves in those words. So why should we not leave a door open and consider the absence of his return just a missinterpretations of clues rather than 2 years wasted of (indeed not a movie, but our real life), stress, crying, hoping, believing, expecting, thinking, praying. MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!
Oh no, you misunderstand. These 2 years have not been wasted! I wouldn't trade them for all the money in the world. This has been the best adventure ever... and it still is. It's a personal journey, and it's not always been rainbows and hugs. I have learned a great deal about so many things I never would have explored had it not been for this hoax. I feel like a better person, I have made some very positive changes in my life and the way I treat other people, and I have changed some priorities that needed to be changed. But at the same time, this hoax has forced me to confront some demons that I have been running away from my whole life.
I have pinned too much on this, I admit it. There's a back story explanation for that but I'll spare you. But regardless, the stakes are very high and I am having anxiety over having to pay the piper.
The conventional wisdom if you get in too deep is to take a break, but I can't turn off my thoughts :idea: :?:
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The title of this thread is Do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum? This thread was started by a guest and shortly thereafter many different personalities bombarded the thread one after another mocking the hoaxers who responded to the comments. :ugeek:
Then a turn of events happened the thread got locked so maybe you could say the poster of many names thought it was over and went away or maybe has stayed quiet and continued to watch. :shock:
Once this thread was reopened and Souza posted the Questions TS had given to us to use in such a case as this, no more opposition for the moment right? ;)
There is one guest who has continued to keep a conversation going and members have gracefully engaged in conversation as to whether or not Michael is coming back? 8-)
This question is asked more than any other question I have read in over a year and the same lines are repeated over and over with maybe a few variances here and there. :|
Original topics seem to not stay that way for long. Look at where this headed...
Disagreements of 02 dude and picture comparisions, members questioning their own sanity when the end of this hoax comes or if there is no end in sight questioning themselves if they will ever be ok after this...or if they can ever fully trust themselves. :?
Reality should not have left your minds when playing in this alternate world. Blending/blurring the lines is and always will be dangerous if you allow it to consume you and it takes over. There has to be a balance. This thread did turn out to be a good place for people to express their fears and hopes. That is a good thing that members and guests could come together that way but it is also a bad thing when we can not stay focused on a task at hand. This thread may not have been a task but it did provide enough information to be examined by whoever... ;)
It accomplished one thing so far and that is the multiple personality hasn't been back, yet. :shock:
I also want to point out that way back on page 9 I posted my comment and since then the conversation has now been mostly about Michael will reveal himself somehow to let us know he is alive and ok...Some people are so worried they will miss his reveal they may have failed to realize he may have already done so and you never noticed. ;)
Peace
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I am sticking to my original belief that Michael will not come back the same as he left. I seriously believe he had his fill of shows and touring. He was sick of that. I don’t know if we will ever see him again, but his presence will be made known through other mediums. I believe that he will see his children and his family, possibly already is doing that. I also believe that most of the stigma will have been removed and that he will be able to help children in some manner. I remember Micael saying that if he could no longer help children there was no reason for him to live. The trials almost sealed that fate. However, since June 25, 2009, so many people have come to realize how biased the trials were, how bogus the charges were against him, and the magnitude of kindness and compassion shown to children both monetarily through charity, and personally through the hours and hours he spent visiting children’s hospitals, etc. that I feel that the stigma will be lifted or tremendously lessened and he will be able to go about doing what means more to him than life itself. Perhaps, working to better children’s causes will be his mantra. I don’t know, but I know that Michael cannot be happy unless helping children in some way is a part of the plan, either behind the scenes working to get legislation passed or ghost writing children’s literature. Something that matters and is close to his heart. What ever happens, we will know it. Just like we know that he is still alive. We haven’t seen nor heard from him, but there’s an energy that says he is still here. When he returns, even if it’s quietly, I think that energy will be even stronger. We will know. I love you Michael Jackson. Do what you need to do for as long as you need to do it. When it’s time, if I’m still able to take a breath on this planet, I’ll be there for you.
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@hesouttamylife,
To answer your question from page 8, I was at NeverLand December 14th, 20004 for the Christmas party he had and parents and kids were there as well, and I worked there for a while. He only trusted me with the keys/codes/etc. He is deceased and if you all want to believe he isn't, then you are entitled even though you know deep down you are wrong. I worked with him for a while, and I signed confidential papers regarding codes to the entrance and things like that, so don't even ask me what the code was. However, I am insulted at times, that people would make up such lies about him faking his death, but I understand why since they did this to Elvis as well. He was a terrific employer and very generous and kind. People who think he faked his death do not realise that this man would never put someone in prison who didn't not commit a crime, and he would not put his own people out of a job either. I am forced to find employment with other celebities but am finding it difficult since others are more....demanding in attitude. MJ was very sincere, kind and caring. Always checking to make sure his staff was happy in their work.
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I don't expect Michael to come and tour again. I don't expect the "old" Michael to be back.All I want is to know he is happy.
Then I can go back to my life or, if indeed he has bigger plans, continue following him.
Keymaster how do you know he is deceased? I mean you were there to see he died, or you saw his dead body with your own eyes or what makes you think he is dead?
I just want to know the truth.
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Key Master as you were an employee, are you one and the same poster as paul aka vangogh?
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Key Master as you were an employee, are you one and the same poster as paul aka vangogh?
yes I want to know it too.
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who's on an unknown location in the west of Africa?
There was someone viewing the forum from Bahrain today... :shock: :? :lol: ;) 8-) :shock:
hello Bahrain :D
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I agree this thread has meandered in lots of directions, but it's been interesting and some posts brought tears to my eyes. Key Master, thanks for confirming to us that MJ was a wonderful employer so kind and considerate. I love hearing those kinds of stories from people who directly knew him.
Gina
I am happy that at least someone agrees with me but I'm gonna tell you I am very afraid we are now leaded to accept and endless hoax, we are asked to believe he is alive but he wil never come back. This is the scenario I am afraid of, a hoax without ending because I know I can't stay away of it and I know it will distroy my life competely.
I pray to God TS is right and we'll have a BAM ....if not, God help us, at least me. I know a total nervous breakdown is just around the corner
I agree that is what we all fear, and also what people have told me. But I can't stay away if I tried.
Like others have said too, my life has been irrevocably changed, and I'm not regretting it one little bit. I have learned so much. It has been the ultimate experience for me, like a 2 year high of adrenaline rush. I've told my family that if there is ever solid proof that he is in fact dead and I'm convinced of it, I will feel like pain of withdrawal. But my heart, mind and intuition all tell me he is alive, going to BAM in some unexpected way, and the world will see it and be affected.
Souza
No, that would not mean he is dead. Although I do have a strong feeling he will be back this year, I also know I could be wrong. I have a date in mind that will end at least my participation in all this like I have been doing the past 2 years, but it's not in the near future. We will see what happens, but my gut feeling is mostly right.
I liked all your post above. I almost don't even want to ever talk BAM dates again, almost like saying a date will automatically cancel out the possibility of him choosing that day. He wants that day to be unexpected, so we should let him have that joy. Speculating on the year is as far as I would say is okay to do. After he BAMS, then we can figure out all the ways that day was perfect in numerology, etc.
Bec
I'm with Gina. This is my cross to bear and I will bear it... but I'm afraid that without the light at the end of the tunnel that it will destroy not only my life and business and personal relationships, but also my mental health.
I'm so sure... that if I'm wrong, I will forever doubt my judgment in the future. To live without confidence in your own grasp of reality is not really living. It is emotional and mental hell.
Well we are definately risk-takers here, much like all those who choose death-defying sports like skydiving, racing, etc. I am choosing to risk my mental safety with this hoax, because of the thrill and I refuse to stop, because there's nothing else like it in the world for me. And I'm betting the world will love to see this thrill as it unfolds in the near future!
by 1guest » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:48 pm
Sarahli, i'll be frank. I am very afraid of others reactions in an eventual return. Maybe this is why i never wanted to accept it as a possibility. Secondly, i am afraid of being dissapointed and going nuts and i will live in status pending if i take his comeback as a proof of this hoax. So i chose to be somewhere in the middle. Believing but protecting myself. I do believe in this hoax but I CHOOSE not to believe in his return. Either way, i'm a winner in my mental state.
I’m wondering if part of the subconscious reason most MJ followers think he’s dead is because they don’t want to go through the pain of disappointment of believing and then being let down later. This way if he returns they’ll be happily shocked. But us, we’ve been happy all this time but might face the tsunami of letdown if he doesn’t show for a long time to come. So I can identify with this thought.
Sarahli
I'm not saying it's easy, not at all, i'm just saying that we must put ourselves in Michael's shoes and when i do that i strongly feel that it must not be easy for him as well, he also must be in pain as we are at times. Don't you think that he would like to comeback to reassure us? I am sure he would want it but he just can't because the goal has to be achieved. It is an adventure yes, a real life adventure...with joy and sorrow, and i'm pretty sure that when Michael returns all the tears will be forgotten and the people who followed this hoax will be proud of themselves because they will have witnessed and have been part of the greatest show on earth. Blessings 1guest hope you feel better soon.
Just like having a baby! And this is his baby, and at the right time, it will be delivered!! There will be joy---and lots of work ahead!
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Key Master as you were an employee, are you one and the same poster as paul aka vangogh?
yes I want to know it too.
I can confirm that I am not keymaster.Only paul and vangoghs.
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I think Key Master wants to tell us that unlike us he saw his behavior from the "direct source" and that he would never do this to Murray. But Murray is not in prison yet, right? We don't know how this case will end.
Key Master, i would like to ask how would you explain the fact that we have never seen Michael's "dead" body?
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vangogh, there you are:)
you've created a 16 page thread and disappeared. Why don't you share more with us?
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Just like having a baby! And this is his baby, and at the right time, it will be delivered!! There will be joy---and lots of work ahead!
:D :D :D MJonmind, as a midwife I love this expression!
Souza, thanks for your incredibly fantastic post on p16.
Reading all posts I sometimes wonder what people exspect.
If Michael really comes back, I agree with Souza and others, I think he probably won´t have gigs again, I think he will be recording and he will go on with his charity.
That will be disappointing for lots of fans, but my God, the man is 53 now ( I say it with love Michael! :) )
and he shouldn´t waste his agility on stage until everyone is satisfied which probably never happens.
Why do so many of you want to know an exact BAM´s date?
What does it do to you when Souza writes, it´s probably not this year?
What will you do until then? Sit and wait, counting the days, the hours?
I´m not MJ but I think probably he would beg you to go on with your lives, your hopes, your dreams. And there must be some beside MJ and the BAM.
And thet´s what you should do anyway, with or without an exact date.
Don´t misunderstand me, I love it to be here, the hoax is part of my life already, but definitely JUST a part.
When the PC is switched off, my life and my thoughts go on with my 2 wonderful kids, my interesting job, my friends and my studies.
I really beg some of you: please take care of yourself!
OK the subject was: "do you think Michael Jackson uses this forum?"
If he´s alive, then yes. Especially here with THIS question...
Maybe it´s good to watch out for guests with an enourmous intelligent background...!?!
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@hesouttamylife,
To answer your question from page 8, I was at NeverLand December 14th, 20004 for the Christmas party he had and parents and kids were there as well, and I worked there for a while. He only trusted me with the keys/codes/etc. He is deceased and if you all want to believe he isn't, then you are entitled even though you know deep down you are wrong. I worked with him for a while, and I signed confidential papers regarding codes to the entrance and things like that, so don't even ask me what the code was. However, I am insulted at times, that people would make up such lies about him faking his death, but I understand why since they did this to Elvis as well. He was a terrific employer and very generous and kind. People who think he faked his death do not realise that this man would never put someone in prison who didn't not commit a crime, and he would not put his own people out of a job either. I am forced to find employment with other celebities but am finding it difficult since others are more....demanding in attitude. MJ was very sincere, kind and caring. Always checking to make sure his staff was happy in their work.
Why would I ask you for the code? It’s obsolete. As fas as your conclusion of knowing deep down that I am wrong for believing he hoaxed his death, you are wrong. I have based my belief on the facts that have been presented, and none of them add up. I cannot look at this from an emotional standpoint. If I did, I would be at the same place that you are, disbelieving that Michael could ever do this,or he would never do that. However, people do what is necessary and in the best interest of themselves and their loved ones, not the world’s. I have gone over this a million times since 6/25/09. There is nothing that I have seen or heard that convinces me that Michael is dead. Working at Neverland for a time does not make you an expert on what Michael Jackson would do. Tangible facts support Michael faking his death. Why is yet to be known. Perhaps we’ll never know. He doesn’t owe us any apologies nor is he obligated to provide any reasons. It’s his life, after all and what ever he decides relative to announcing the whys and the hows is his decision and his alone. Yes, Michael Jackson was kind, loving, considerate and all of the above. And regardless of the outcome of June 25, 2009, he still is. But don’t forget to add courageous to that descriptive list . It certainly belongs there with the rest of them.
And btw, who’s going to prison who doesn’t belong there :?:
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You have no facts that he is alive, there are more facts that he is dead. If you have facts that he is alive, then bring it to the news for all to know about. And Murray is the one that might be sent to prison because of his negligence that killed MJ. If you think that MJ would put his kids and family thru the emotional rollercoaster they have been thru then you do not know MJ. He would not do that to his kids. The man is dead just like Elvis and everyone else. MJ would also not allow his kids to have been put on tv and exploited as they have been by Oprah and MJ would certainly not sit by and let his dad try to get his money. The LA coroner is not going to risk his career by faking documents, the police and forest lawn are not going to go along with crap like this either. The man is dead. I don't like it, you don't like it, but that's the way it is. No one has ever gotten away with faking a death, it just doesn't happen.
I am not making fun of you, but it is what it is, he is dead. And like Elvis 34yrs later, you will see that MJ is....dead. You are all very young and I understand how you want to think he is alive and his is alive in all of our hearts.
But, if you think you have facts then go to CNN and let the world know. But, I know you can't do that because you have no "facts" of him being alive. You will never see or hear from MJ again because he is really deceased. Once again, he would NEVER DO SUCH A THING TO HIS KIDS WHOM HE LOVED WITH ALL HIS HEART. And, also, he'd be sent to prison for doing it to, and he would never want to go to prison.
But you are entitled to believe what ever helps you make it through the day. I give you credit for that.
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Try to get a picture of Michael reading the posts of this forum on a computer. I can easily imagine, but no.. Just no. It's very unreal. He is working on something bigger, I doubt he has the time..
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You guys, Key Master is right. MJ is dead. If he were ever found to have faked his death he would not only be sent to prison he'd be sued for every penny he ever had, no one would buy his music anymore and he'd be washed up for being a deceitful person (which he is not). And Key Master is correct, no one has ever faked a death and got away with it....ever. Even if you saw a body you would never want to believe it was mj anyway so that doesn't matter. People can make up bs and conspiracy about anything.
Key Master, what you said was so right on. "What ever helps you make it through the day". That's what these people do and there is nothing wrong with that. Michael was not a deceitful person and insinuating he would do this is saying he was, and he was not.
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You have no facts that he is alive, there are more facts that he is dead. If you have facts that he is alive, then bring it to the news for all to know about. And Murray is the one that might be sent to prison because of his negligence that killed MJ. If you think that MJ would put his kids and family thru the emotional rollercoaster they have been thru then you do not know MJ. He would not do that to his kids. The man is dead just like Elvis and everyone else. MJ would also not allow his kids to have been put on tv and exploited as they have been by Oprah and MJ would certainly not sit by and let his dad try to get his money. The LA coroner is not going to risk his career by faking documents, the police and forest lawn are not going to go along with crap like this either. The man is dead. I don't like it, you don't like it, but that's the way it is. No one has ever gotten away with faking a death, it just doesn't happen.
I am not making fun of you, but it is what it is, he is dead. And like Elvis 34yrs later, you will see that MJ is....dead. You are all very young and I understand how you want to think he is alive and his is alive in all of our hearts.
But, if you think you have facts then go to CNN and let the world know. But, I know you can't do that because you have no "facts" of him being alive. You will never see or hear from MJ again because he is really deceased. Once again, he would NEVER DO SUCH A THING TO HIS KIDS WHOM HE LOVED WITH ALL HIS HEART. And, also, he'd be sent to prison for doing it to, and he would never want to go to prison.
But you are entitled to believe what ever helps you make it through the day. I give you credit for that.
OMG, here we go AGAIN!!!! Why are you on our site if you think he's dead???? This is a site for believers!!! SHOOOO!!
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So Key Master and Gate Keeper, if Michael is so dead...
then why is the ambulance pic fake?
How, and why would Ben Evenstad fake a pic of Michael in the ambulance on 6/25/09, when no such pic was actually taken?
How in the world could he have done that... without Michael's help?
Ps. what's up with the Ghostbusters screennames?
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You guys, Key Master is right. MJ is dead. If he were ever found to have faked his death he would not only be sent to prison he'd be sued for every penny he ever had, no one would buy his music anymore and he'd be washed up for being a deceitful person (which he is not). And Key Master is correct, no one has ever faked a death and got away with it....ever. Even if you saw a body you would never want to believe it was mj anyway so that doesn't matter. People can make up bs and conspiracy about anything.
Key Master, what you said was so right on. "What ever helps you make it through the day". That's what these people do and there is nothing wrong with that. Michael was not a deceitful person and insinuating he would do this is saying he was, and he was not.
The paper which showed his information when he died didn't say his name, which is "Michael Joe Jackson". Instead it showed one that is "Michael Joseph Jackson". This will prevent him from being sent to prison even though many commited suicide when MJ died.. it's not MJ's problem, if some people are that obsessed about him then they're 99.9% insane (in my eyes).
Also, if we got back the King of Pop, Michael Jackson.. I doubt they'd sent him back to the prison. Everything would be explained after the Illuminati has been downed. Right?
So Key Master and Gate Keeper, if Michael is so dead...
then why is the ambulance pic fake?
How, and why would Ben Evenstad fake a pic of Michael in the ambulance on 6/25/09, when no such pic was actually taken?
How in the world could he have done that... without Michael's help?
Ps. what's up with the Ghostbusters screennames?
Good point!
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Let these people have their fun, if they want to believe such non sense let them. Everyone has an imagination, so let them. In their hearts they know that all the people that would have to be involved could never keep a secret like that. Here are all the people that would have to keep that lie going and it would never work.
LA Coroner
LA Police Department
Forest Lawn Cemetary (all the people that run it)
MJ's whole family
EMS drivers/workers/techicians
The 911 operator that was called when MJ was found dead
MJ's security people
The UCLA Hospital (doctors, nurses, etc.)
The Lawyers for MJ estate
All MJ's close friends
Conrad Murray
Grace the nanny
Kai Chase the personal cook
You people aren't this stupid. This is WAY to many people that would have had to be involved if MJ faked his death, and it's not possible, all these people would not be able to keep a secret like that, and especially, NONE of them would risk their careers and go to prison for fraud and deception.
But, like Key Master said "whatever helps you make it through the day".
MJ is dead.
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You are an idiot.
Joe is a nickname for Joseph
Michael Joe Jackson and Michael Joseph Jackson is the same person, fools, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ROFLMAO!
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What makes you think we are all young - I'm not. How do you know what MJ would do? Has he told you himself? if not, then you don't know any more than we do - you don't know that he is dead - you just think he is, the same way we think he's alive.
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The ambulance pic is real. But if you want to think it's fake then go ahead, your only fooling yourself. You people are so gullible its very sad. You'd believe anything someone would toss at you. There is no where that man could hide and you all know it. Plus, he'd never do that to his kids. Its sad you think so little of Michael to think he'd do such a thing. But, whatever gets you thru the day.
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Then why is the ambulance pic fake.
It's clearly fake. The monitor is ON in the video of the ambulance leaving Carrolwood... and very obviously OFF in the still pic. That pic was not taken outside the house on 6/25/09. It must have taken quite a bit of planning to pull off such a deception... yet within hours, that pic was distributed to the media.
How could Ben have A. thought to create a fake, and B. created an elaborate fake (including obtaining an image of Michael Jackson lying prone, at exactly the right angle), and still had enough time to negotiate it's alleged sale to the media.
It's an excellent fake, this was not a quicky photoshop job. The reflections match the scene to a T, and the interior of the ambulance matches the interior of ambulance 71 that was on scene. Except for one very obvious problem... the monitor is turned off in the still. Oops!
So how do you explain that my Ghostbusting friends?
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Too many people could not keep this secret and all would lose their jobs. You all probably have told a secret to just one or two people and they could not keep it a secret.
I give you credit for your wanting to keep him alive in your hearts. Wonderful.
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You're not answering the question. I'm sorry you disregard facts for emotion in your debate. Fail.
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I will repost this because it's the truth. I agree, these people would not risk their jobs especially the coroner and the Police department (which we know would never do ANY favors for MJ)
Here are all the people that would have to keep that lie going and it would never work.
LA Coroner
LA Police Department
Forest Lawn Cemetary (all the people that run it)
MJ's whole family
EMS drivers/workers/techicians
The 911 operator that was called when MJ was found dead
MJ's security people
The UCLA Hospital (doctors, nurses, etc.)
The Lawyers for MJ estate
All MJ's close friends
Conrad Murray
Grace the nanny
Kai Chase the personal cook
You people aren't this stupid. This is WAY to many people that would have had to be involved if MJ faked his death, and it's not possible, all these people would not be able to keep a secret like that, and especially, NONE of them would risk their careers and go to prison for fraud and deception.
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Only needs two or three people to help out:
1. Police boss
2. Coroner boss
3. Hospital boss
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Wrong, all the people listed would have to be involved.
Police Boss
Coroner Boss
Hospital Boss
911 operators Boss
Kai Chase
Conrad Murray
Lawyers
MJ's whole family
Security and body guards
Ambulance EMS techicians
Forest Lawn Cemetary Boss
The Mayor of LA to allow the procession for funeral
etc, etc, ect.
Too many people. And the police aren't going to do MJ ANY favors at all they hated him. It would never be allowed and people aren't foolish, mj is dead.
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Why?
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Ok, next question, what fraud?
I'm sorry you don't want to have an intelligent debate. I have presented a very strong fact and yet you have completely glossed over it. Perhaps it is because you have no answer?
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Wrong, all the people listed would have to be involved.
Police Boss
Coroner Boss
Hospital Boss
911 operators Boss
Kai Chase
Conrad Murray
Lawyers
MJ's whole family
Security and body guards
Ambulance EMS techicians
Forest Lawn Cemetary Boss
The Mayor of LA to allow the procession for funeral
etc, etc, ect.
Too many people. And the police aren't going to do MJ ANY favors at all they hated him. It would never be allowed and people aren't foolish, mj is dead.
Uhm, many are involved in the hoax but if the police-, coroner-, and hospital boss are willing to give out real information without lying.. then we don't need anybody else.
Also, Murray & MJ's family wouldn't tell the truth, because MJ isn't ready.
You are an idiot.
Joe is a nickname for Joseph
Michael Joe Jackson and Michael Joseph Jackson is the same person, fools, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Idiot? Only idiot I see is you. If you don't dare to believe, then you shouldn't dare to say anything for not knowing. Get your facts right, son.. I'll give you a lesson.
Michael Joe Jackson was in every single "document", even FBI. That's gotta be pretty serious now, huh? But why now.. when he "dies", the king of pop's name would be written wrong? His family saw the document where it said "Michael Joseph Jackson", they didn't even mention anything about it or blame against because it's a part of the hoax.
Get it? Now.. go sleep.
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Dear Guests please stop just saying that we are wrong just because you think so. :)
Just wanted to remind you about Souza's post.
I will reopen this thread. Let them show their true colors, we know who will have the best laugh in the end.
For the non-believers stalking this forum, I have a few questions to start with, to give you a chance to show us why we are nutcases. If you can answer all these questions with a good argumented answer, I will have some more for you, but I don't think I will have to.
Michael:
M1. After watching MJ videos including Thriller and Ghosts: is there any reason why MJ would not have thought to do a real life Thriller—especially since he was married to LMP, and the Elvis hoax death theory is very well known?
M2. If MJ did plan a hoax death, is there any time that would fit better with a full moon (Thriller) and 777 than: 6-25-09 death (77 days to 9-9-09), 7-7-09 memorial (full moon & 7 years from will), 9-3-09 burial (7 days to 9-9-09, & almost full moon), and all the other numerology?
M3. Being a big fan of old movies, and also choosing to remake Gilda in TII: it’s not possible that MJ was unaware of Mundson/Macready faking his death in Gilda (and also sharing MJ’s birthday). So if MJ was not planning on faking his death: would he be so cruel as to include Gilda in TII, and make his fans think he was planning a hoax death when in reality he was not?
Statistics:
S1. Even if MJ was unaware of the hoax death in Gilda: what are the chances that he accidentally did a remake of a fake death by an actor sharing his own birthday?
S2. What are the odds that all the hoax numerology and timing is merely coincidence (and show your calculations, not just your answer)? (see challenge in quotes below).
S3. Things which occur randomly, and are not planned, will happen more than once. So can you give at least one example of a similar death timing, that happened by chance—where the timing repeatedly fit with specific three-digit and/or four-digit numbers (not single-digit numbers), numbers that were emphasized by that same person before the death (hint: neither Elvis nor 2pac come anywhere close)?
Family:
F1. From the death to the burial more than two months later, why did we never see a single tear shed from a single family member (not even Paris, in her touching speech at the memorial)? And why did the children looked bored at the memorial? And why did the adults all wear dark glasses (so that we could not see the tears, or not see the lack of tears)?
F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???
F3. Why was the burial delayed for a world-record longest time? And why did the family schedule it for 9-3-09: unless it had to do with the 7 days to 9-9-09, and the full moon (on 9-4-09)?
F4. Why was the funeral recorded on a movie set? (see video).
[youtube:3j1btqbf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqLFYYHxk0A[/youtube:3j1btqbf]
$999 Reward!!!
On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.
Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.
Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).
Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.
Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.
Be sure to include:
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).
Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.
If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!
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Nice try - but I will find the truth for myself - I won't be told to believe he's dead just because you tell me to. I have an enquiring mind and don't just accept things if I feel there is something not quite right about it.
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Brian Oxman "IT IS A FAKE"
Go to the 32 second mark...
[youtube:135c7a3t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPSUY4Zq7CI[/youtube:135c7a3t]
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And this ???
[youtube:2tdpx4ca]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJPIYDJAVQ[/youtube:2tdpx4ca]
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hope everyone knows the word respect.
First, to those non-believers will tell you that then I do not understand because they come into these forums, but I think they do because deep down they suspect the same as what we believe is still alive, what happens is hoping to find a "test "that will ultimately confirm their suspicions, and do not realize that evidence that he still lives there are many.
What will they do when he appears? To say that they also believed.
To those who still do not believe I tell you, it is true that Joe and Joseph are the same person: Michael of course, but for legal purposes is not the same.
It may not mean anything, but Michael lives.
Tell them to non-believers, which only his family, his children, and very few know who still lives nearby. None that someone mentioned before, never say anything, first because they only worked, and have not been informed that he still lives, though I suspect: UCLA, his nurse, the cook ... and please Grace , it's like the mother of the children, and one of his best friends, how do you think she will say something? She loves Michael, whether we like her or not. And all they are protecting him.They work to protect you.
Michael knew he would be murdered and he was ahead of it.
Michael knew many things of concern to the state, Michael is friends with a lot of power in the world. And he is under the state protection. Neither he nor anyone in this fake death will go to jail, because THEY ARE THE LAW. I think here the ignorant are those who non-believers.
What I feel is that all these people on the day of his comeback will be screaming his name
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I think these guests (especially Gate Keeper and Key Master or w/e their names were) haven't read the whole big thing on this site's homepage. It explains -everything-, and did surely take a long time to write!
If you don't believe.. go and read it for the sake of god. It's so obvious. The 911 call wasn't even from where the ambulance went to. It was from a hotel.. and check out the "weird list" videos on YouTube.
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If Michael really comes back, I agree with Souza and others, I think he probably won´t have gigs again, I think he will be recording and he will go on with his charity.
That will be disappointing for lots of fans, but my God, the man is 53 now ( I say it with love Michael! :) )
and he shouldn´t waste his agility on stage until everyone is satisfied which probably never happens.
Who's expecting him to have gigs again? You should understand this is not why we want him back.
I´m not MJ but I think probably he would beg you to go on with your lives, your hopes, your dreams.
Well he would be wrong thinking that now we can do that so easy.Don't know why this makes me think of "Pygmalion" by Bernard Shaw - in a symbolical way of course.
Don´t misunderstand me, I love it to be here, the hoax is part of my life already, but definitely JUST a part.
When the PC is switched off, my life and my thoughts go on with my 2 wonderful kids, my interesting job, my friends and my studies.
I don't know if I should say lucky you or not.
Probably you are lucky to be able to do that.
I won't comment about my kid but my job is Michael, my friend is Michael and my studies.....what else, Michael. I just can't think of anything else.
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I have a question for the non believers on this forum. Why are you all here? If you don't believe he has hoaxed his death then why visit a hoax forum, to try to convince us we are wrong? We don't visit non believers forums to tell every member there Michael is still alive.
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Just a side note, would we be able to solve the exact date for Michael's comeback with all the numerology?
Please reply. (:
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Don't lose it guys....We have all this, and what do they have?
[youtube:y9tpq2gb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3I-lkiYtI&feature=related[/youtube:y9tpq2gb]
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Ambulance picture has to be fake for many reasons.
Who wants to know can read it on the last two TIAI redirections.
The most obvious to me was that the paramedics said they didn't recognize MJ, yet in the ambulance photo everyone can see VERY clear it is Michael Jackson there, so why the paramedics didn't recognize him?
The picture HAS to be fake also for other reasons, for example Michael looks much younger in it and sorry but he doesn't look dead there. I saw a person in the moment of death and if it's true Michael was already dead when they got there, his face had to be already changed even in a short time, like an hour.
It wasn't Michael that day in the Ambulance 71.
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Of course there is possible Ben faked the photo for money ....but in this case why was he talking about "the other day "?
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Of course there is possible Ben faked the photo for money ....but in this case why was he talking about "the other day "?
Paparazzi would do anything for money.. And true that, what's with the "other day" thing? And why did he sorta "back off" when saying it, denying. Taking it back.. Not finishing the sentence at all.
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and who's this guy in Ben's video ?
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/14125_1165176028550_1802384675_348508_5940021_n.jpg)
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and who's this guy in Ben's video ?
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/14125_1165176028550_1802384675_348508_5940021_n.jpg)
Hmm.. I don't know.
Who do you think it to be? Michael?
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
Maybe they are thinking of a reasonable answer to my question?
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
Maybe they are thinking of a reasonable answer to my question?
Possibly. They actually stopped talking way before that.. I wonder what happened. They probably stopped to read some of the big posts (or the homepage) or watch some of the videos we linked. Who knows?
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
Maybe they are thinking of a reasonable answer to my question?
I hope they are too.... But the only reasonable answer is that that figure is none other than Michael! 8-)
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
Maybe they are thinking of a reasonable answer to my question?
I hope they are too.... But the only reasonable answer is that that figure is none other than Michael! 8-)
That figure? Are you talking about the one in the video?
Doesn't look much like Michael to me..
Oh and by the way, who is this? (http://www.zannel.com/webservices/content/FAXUM/Image-568x758-JPG.jpg)
This picture was taken after Michael's death.
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and who's this guy in Ben's video ?
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/14125_1165176028550_1802384675_348508_5940021_n.jpg)
Hmm.. I don't know.
Who do you think it to be? Michael?
This guest is still here.The guy in the video is the one outside the hospital with the mostache.
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
Maybe they are thinking of a reasonable answer to my question?
I hope they are too.... But the only reasonable answer is that that figure is none other than Michael! 8-)
That figure? Are you talking about the one in the video?
Doesn't look much like Michael to me..
Oh and by the way, who is this? (http://www.zannel.com/webservices/content/FAXUM/Image-568x758-JPG.jpg)
This picture was taken after Michael's death.
Doesn't look like Michael to me if you asking.
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and who's this guy in Ben's video ?
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/14125_1165176028550_1802384675_348508_5940021_n.jpg)
Hmm.. I don't know.
Who do you think it to be? Michael?
This guest is still here.The guy in the video is the one outside the hospital with the mostache.
Maybe.
Anyway, seeing that video again I was wondering why on the last image at the memorial the message was "I'm alive and here forever" which is a lyric in the song "The Man" with Paul and we know there was a story about Paul that he died in a car accident - which was later denied ?
see it here?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead)
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I don't think a reply such as "why are you here if you don't believe" make us look secure, but whatever...I for one, like to hear their arguments because if we only talk to each other we may not notice all the aspects of the hoax. But this is not the first time i see this question so probably this is your final response when confronting a "non-believer". Probably easier, who knows.
Anyway, i agree in one aspect Key said: all those involved in the hoax. But this is for me a reason for not returning in public life and not for being dead. And i would love to see a dialogue between the 2 "teams":), especially when non-believers have decent posts as Key had. The fact that we don't like his opinion is a totally different thing and it is only our problem.
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I notice that our guests haven't said anything in a while.... 8-)
Are you still there guys??
Maybe they are thinking of a reasonable answer to my question?
I hope they are too.... But the only reasonable answer is that that figure is none other than Michael! 8-)
That figure? Are you talking about the one in the video?
Doesn't look much like Michael to me..
Oh and by the way, who is this? (http://www.zannel.com/webservices/content/FAXUM/Image-568x758-JPG.jpg)
This picture was taken after Michael's death.
Doesn't look like Michael to me if you asking.
Oh, ok, I thought you were asking who was the figure in the video! But that was angranity who was
questioning that. Sorry... :|
vangogh says that the figure in the video was the guy that was at the hospital with the mousdache?
Which guy?? :?: :?:
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and who's this guy in Ben's video ?
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/14125_1165176028550_1802384675_348508_5940021_n.jpg)
Hmm.. I don't know.
Who do you think it to be? Michael?
This guest is still here.The guy in the video is the one outside the hospital with the mostache.
Maybe.
No.really.
Anyway, seeing that video again I was wondering why on the last image at the memorial the message was "I'm alive and here forever" which is a lyric in the song "The Man" with Paul and we know there was a story about Paul that he died in a car accident - which was later denied ?
see it here?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead)
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(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/GreatHoax.jpg)
There was a story about that on 1969. But that story was just a hoax.
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@hesouttamylife,
To answer your question from page 8, I was at NeverLand December 14th, 20004 for the Christmas party he had and parents and kids were there as well, and I worked there for a while. He only trusted me with the keys/codes/etc. He is deceased and if you all want to believe he isn't, then you are entitled even though you know deep down you are wrong. I worked with him for a while, and I signed confidential papers regarding codes to the entrance and things like that, so don't even ask me what the code was. However, I am insulted at times, that people would make up such lies about him faking his death, but I understand why since they did this to Elvis as well. He was a terrific employer and very generous and kind. People who think he faked his death do not realise that this man would never put someone in prison who didn't not commit a crime, and he would not put his own people out of a job either. I am forced to find employment with other celebities but am finding it difficult since others are more....demanding in attitude. MJ was very sincere, kind and caring. Always checking to make sure his staff was happy in their work.
oh i am late again. if you are still here i would love to ask you some things.
1. are the codes the only thing covered by the non- disclosure
2. can you give an actual from this date to this date when you were there.
3. did you see anything that lead you to believe he had issues with addiction
4. did you see or hear anything to make you wonder if his managers were not looking out for him as they should.
5. in the period of time you were there how many times do you think you incountered him personally.
hope you are still here and can provide this info
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Key Master, you worked with keys, codes, numbers for Michael. You should know better than anyone: does he have a preference for some specific numbers, is he fascinated by numerology? Hope you will see my question, thank you.
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You guys, Key Master is right. MJ is dead. If he were ever found to have faked his death he would not only be sent to prison he'd be sued for every penny he ever had, no one would buy his music anymore and he'd be washed up for being a deceitful person (which he is not). And Key Master is correct, no one has ever faked a death and got away with it....ever. Even if you saw a body you would never want to believe it was mj anyway so that doesn't matter. People can make up bs and conspiracy about anything.
Key Master, what you said was so right on. "What ever helps you make it through the day". That's what these people do and there is nothing wrong with that. Michael was not a deceitful person and insinuating he would do this is saying he was, and he was not.
hi there since you are apparently here to vouch for key master i wouldn't mind knowing how you came to know his /her character. if you don't mind my asking. yes from what is known about michael he doesn't seem to be capable of such an act , i know. and the parrells of this are many. but no matter who it is that is responsible there is a hoax going on so if you want to help stop it then give us something to go on. there is no reason to be so adiment unless you know something for sure otherwise why should you care about little old us. ;)
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I don't think a reply such as "why are you here if you don't believe" make us look secure, but whatever...I for one, like to hear their arguments because if we only talk to each other we may not notice all the aspects of the hoax. But this is not the first time i see this question so probably this is your final response when confronting a "non-believer". Probably easier, who knows.
Anyway, i agree in one aspect Key said: all those involved in the hoax. But this is for me a reason for not returning in public life and not for being dead. And i would love to see a dialogue between the 2 "teams":), especially when non-believers have decent posts as Key had. The fact that we don't like his opinion is a totally different thing and it is only our problem.
It's not my intention to look secure, I just wanna know.And yes this question has been asked before but as far as I know never been answered.It has nothing to do with having trouble to be confronted with non believers.Don't you think it's strange they come here just to tell us he is dead?
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@ Gina: of course I didn´t want to annoy you or anyone else with my post.
Please don´t take it too personally.
But we both know that there are lots of people out there who couldn´t wait for the first gig if he came back, and probably the same would happen as in London: first 10, then 50 concerts and so on and so on...
@ Ben´s video:
I can´t imagine it´s Michael, there are always fans with cameras around, and especially on this event, the danger of being caught with any camera is just too big, and I think he would have been aware of that.
Love & peace!
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allforlove, no, i don't find strange that they want to have this dialogue at all. Some probably simply want to make us look bad or sad or nuts, but not all. And i didn't see Key in this category. Also, he claims he worked for Michael, so i would love to hear what he has to say before being thrown away. I was also "welcomed" very cold but i didn't care because i wanted to really communicate with your group. And i am not sorry. I am not important, i am not a valuable guest, but some may be. Have you thought about it? So, let's treat them with respect and to be nice. We never know who we're talking to.
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michael's hoax or someone else's i seriously doubt he was on the property in any way that anyone would notice hime on that day.
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allforlove, no, i don't find strange that they want to have this dialogue at all. Some probably simply want to make us look bad or sad or nuts, but not all. And i didn't see Key in this category. Also, he claims he worked for Michael, so i would love to hear what he has to say before being thrown away. I was also "welcomed" very cold but i didn't care because i wanted to really communicate with your group. And i am not sorry. I am not important, i am not a valuable guest, but some may be. Have you thought about it? So, let's treat them with respect and to be nice. We never know who we're talking to.
I agree with you and I haven't been rude to anyone on this forum.We don't know who is on the other side that's true but that doens' t make a difference for me.I try to treat every one with respect and only ask to be treated the same way.
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allforlove, i am so happy we agree on this, hope everyone feels the same:) Thank you.
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Some probably simply want to make us look bad or sad or nuts, but not all. And i didn't see Key in this category.
That means you didn't read her first posts here.
I admitt later she changed her tone but at first she came in just like the other non-believers, calling us fools.
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Not being on devil's side but i've always had this feeling that both sides even before they meet come with this tension. I will re-read it, ty.
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Hey Guys...Question to my family.....I really wonder why these non-believers are really here? Perhaps it's a part of the process...debunking our theories, you know putting believers to the test???? But by whom :?: :?: :?: :?: They are not answering any questions you asked, they just keep coming back with the same things over and over. So at this point we know they think he's dead. But what they are saying is what every non believer says. Nothing new, no brainer. So why are they really here. Bunch of kids or kid having fun with people who have worked very hard???? Or what? Take care, Love to All :P
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I've reread some parts, i didn't see Key Master being rude but i think i know where the confusion came from. The moderator put all guests in one basket, telling us to stick to one name. I am sure he was confused because i was too in that basket and i give my word that i was only the username:"1guest". So, the moderators can be sometimes wrong, at least in my case was. Maybe it's the forum's policy to make all rude people look as 1, so their words to not weigh at all. Or maybe the mod didn't really verify and just figured. This is how a guest can be discredited and probably Key Master was one of them> Just a possibility. But it's members' choice in the end. If you want him out i am sure you know how to succeed it:)
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Can we get back on topic and open a new thread for the discussion whether or not people believe it's a hoax?
This thread is about the question if you think MJ visits here.
Thank you.
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Quite right
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hesouttamylife wrote:
Key Master wrote:@hesouttamylife,
To answer your question from page 8, I was at NeverLand December 14th, 20004 for the Christmas party he had and parents and kids were there as well, and I worked there for a while. He only trusted me with the keys/codes/etc. He is deceased and if you all want to believe he isn't, then you are entitled even though you know deep down you are wrong. I worked with him for a while, and I signed confidential papers regarding codes to the entrance and things like that, so don't even ask me what the code was. However, I am insulted at times, that people would make up such lies about him faking his death, but I understand why since they did this to Elvis as well. He was a terrific employer and very generous and kind. People who think he faked his death do not realise that this man would never put someone in prison who didn't not commit a crime, and he would not put his own people out of a job either. I am forced to find employment with other celebities but am finding it difficult since others are more....demanding in attitude. MJ was very sincere, kind and caring. Always checking to make sure his staff was happy in their work.
Why would I ask you for the code? It’s obsolete. As fas as your conclusion of knowing deep down that I am wrong for believing he hoaxed his death, you are wrong. I have based my belief on the facts that have been presented, and none of them add up. I cannot look at this from an emotional standpoint. If I did, I would be at the same place that you are, disbelieving that Michael could ever do this,or he would never do that. However, people do what is necessary and in the best interest of themselves and their loved ones, not the world’s. I have gone over this a million times since 6/25/09. There is nothing that I have seen or heard that convinces me that Michael is dead. Working at Neverland for a time does not make you an expert on what Michael Jackson would do. Tangible facts support Michael faking his death. Why is yet to be known. Perhaps we’ll never know. He doesn’t owe us any apologies nor is he obligated to provide any reasons. It’s his life, after all and what ever he decides relative to announcing the whys and the hows is his decision and his alone. Yes, Michael Jackson was kind, loving, considerate and all of the above. And regardless of the outcome of June 25, 2009, he still is. But don’t forget to add courageous to that descriptive list . It certainly belongs there with the rest of them.
Granted, the fact that someone has worked with MJ not to say that is an expert in your life !!!!! private !!!!, emotions, pain or plans.
He not go around saying to all employees or people he knew, "know by mid-2009 I'll pretend I'm dead" :roll:
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Michael, if you visit this place, give us a sign. Please.
How? You 'll find a way. You're smarter than us:d
Just don't say you're MJ , you might be banned before you know it:))
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To answer the thread theme, one of the guests really could be Michael or TS playing devil's advocate to see how we react and debate persuasively.
I think what we believe becomes a part of us, so if someone seems to attack what we believe, it feels like they are attacking us personally. We should always react with calmness, though some personalities really put out provocative, fists-up talk. I personally try to avoid confrontation, and can't even think clearly when someone aggressively argues. So I would say to the guests who have come here to declare that Michael is indeed dead and we are just poor gullible people deceiving ourselves with wishful thinking; that to be fair you have to put yourself in the other position for a while to really see what they are thinking. That means you need to do the real hard work of reading through all the excellent compliled material that Souza and others, plus TS have worked hard at. We have read through all the stuff you guys have read on the reasons you think he is dead. Believe me we have agonized over it all. On this forum we have discussed everything. It's your turn to do some hard research. We are obviously not going to convince you with with a few points in favor of the hoax. I think for most people who believe here, they may have initially thought MJ was dead, but from researching ALL the info out there have become convinced in our hearts that he is alive, from the sheer weight of evidence. So guests please do your homework, and enjoy your stay here. If one of you is TS or Michael I hope we are doing okay at keeping watch and loving.
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Why do we always have this impression that non-believers didn't do their homework. What if they did reasearch and this is simply their conclusion? I never use a superior attitude in front of them, i am willing to listen just as i loved to listen to great members here who opened my eyes about the possibility of his return.
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MJonmind, you seem to believe that TS is Michael. Is it correct?
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But enough, back on topic. If you will open another thread i will love to join you. Till then, keep smiling, Michael is alive! Ciao!
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In my opinion Key Master was not being rude at all, there was no name calling that I saw today at all. However, Key is right on with everything he/she said. Too many people would have to be involved and it would never work. But key forgot to mention that also the Judge in the upcoming trial would have to be involved and also taxpayers money wasted, so this would never happen. MJ is dead when you look at it logically.
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Michael, if you visit this place, give us a sign. Please.
How? You 'll find a way. You're smarter than us:d
Just don't say you're MJ , you might be banned before you know it:))
Such very interesting dialogue in this thread.
1guest, if MJ is on this forum incognito, it’s for a reason (so we wouldn’t want to attempt to out him by asking him to give us signs that he’s here, etc., right?). Perhaps another way that we can contribute to the process of the hoax and its ultimate end is by asking ourselves questions about who would want to conspire against MJ and why. In other words, who or what would lead MJ to participate in a hoax in the first place? (There’s probably already a thread regarding this topic that I am unaware of.) Anyway, it stands to reason that the hoax includes and concerns something much more serious than mere entertainment.
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MJ is dead when you look at it logically.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: April Foolsday was yesterday, wasn't it?
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You guys are funny though, you look at a lot of fake pics and think its MJ in the background when it is not, but you see a real pic of him in the EMS and don't want to think it's him, too funny.
No matter how you toss the salad, it's the same salad, he is dead. LA already spend millions on the funeral procession in taxpayers money and now with the trial that's more money, and that would be fraud, they don't hold trials for people that have killed someone but oh they are faking, LOL
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Till then, keep smiling, Michael is alive!
Actually what you just said gives me the same feeling like when I hear "Michael is dead" and besides I don't understand your position here.
If you are a believer why you come here as a guest?
I hope it is not another game or training the army of love or God knows what......
You make me think you are TS or some of the TMZ guys who follow this site. I don't even know what to believe anymore.
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
welcome Michael, finally, you are here, what took you sooooo long :lol: :lol: :lol: ?
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
:shock: what was that?
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Oh God :shock: :lol: :lol:
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"besides I don't understand your position here."
I didn't know i had to have a position before joining. Now that i know i guess i can come back when i have one:) And it's not mandatory to be a member if you believe, by the way.
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
:shock: what was that?
I think it was Rob :mrgreen:
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MJKOP wrote:
Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
:?
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MJKOP wrote:
Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
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ha ha :lol:
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"besides I don't understand your position here."
I didn't know i had to have a position before joining. Now that i know i guess i can come back when i have one:) And it's not mandatory to be a member if you believe, by the way.
Of course, but I still don't understand your position here :mrgreen:
OK, I'll tell you straight: I think you are a member here, I just don't know who you are.
Of course I am wrong isn't it?
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As I experienced it with the non-believers, it is IMPOSSIBLE to open their eyes and brain and to let them see the truth. They can not even answer the questions we ask them but still they keep on thinking that we're just crazy people who have been believing in a dream. So what I'm going to say is, there's no need to try to show them the truth or try to convince, because they won't. I'm saying this just in case any of you want to try to convince them about the hoax. That's impossible. They may not even believe it after Michael comes back. And you know what? It's definitely their loss.
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As I experienced it with the non-believers, it is IMPOSSIBLE to open their eyes and brain and to let them see the truth. They can not even answer the questions we ask them but still they keep on thinking that we're just crazy people who have been believing in a dream. So what I'm going to say is, there's no need to try to show them the truth or try to convince, because they won't. I'm saying this just in case any of you want to try to convince them about the hoax. That's impossible.
I agree. But why they come here?
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I am a believer. i had the opportunity to answer as a guest by the kindness of the administrator who shared this possibilty. It's useless to repeat what i have already posted about my opinions regarding this hoax. I was very sure he wouldn't come back now i am not that sure anymore. Then the admin pointed very well that we got off topic. As this was the only conversation i joined and i've already described my point of view here, i figured there's no use to go on with my posting as a guest and i said ciao for now. So this was pretty much my position here. Hope that helped.
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
:shock: what was that?
I think it was Rob :mrgreen:
April's fool day was yesterday and if it's a joke it's just mean :|
This is driving me crazy :shock: I wish i was some kind of psychic, to know for sure who's behind MJKOP :shock: :lol: :lol:
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No, i am not a member, never was.
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
:shock: what was that?
That was probably the last proof that it was wrong to release a subject like "do you think MJ uses this forum" here in the guest forum.
But as I remember, it was a guest to start this topic, am I right?
Anyway, to me it was just a matter of time until something like this appears.
No, please don´t argue that I´m rude if it was really Michael. Michael is far too intelligent to produce something like this.
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
Doubt it. A lot.
I think it's just another believer who would love to see Michael say it, so he is fooling us to make us think so.. Can't be fooled with that though.
P.S
What if the guest who started this topic is MJ? He wants to see what we think, and whenever we say against.. he just laughs at our posts. Nawh, just kidding..
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Ciao 1guest.
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Michael is far too intelligent to produce something like this.
I totally agree
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As I experienced it with the non-believers, it is IMPOSSIBLE to open their eyes and brain and to let them see the truth. They can not even answer the questions we ask them but still they keep on thinking that we're just crazy people who have been believing in a dream. So what I'm going to say is, there's no need to try to show them the truth or try to convince, because they won't. I'm saying this just in case any of you want to try to convince them about the hoax. That's impossible.
I agree. But why they come here?
Because just a small part of them knows that Michael is alive but their brain doesn't allow them to believe it. They can not still resist to come here and check out what we are talking about but they do not have courage enough to confess that they want to learn the truth and if their small part is telling them the truth. They read the forum but still they do not want to be and so scared to be convinced and they are doing ALL they can do which is 1- Questioning us about why we believe 2- Having fun with us and trying to humiliate us
Shortly, this is just a waste of time trying to communicate them.
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What if the guest who started this topic is MJ? He wants to see what we think, and whenever we say against.. he just laughs at our posts. Nawh, just kidding..
nohhhh...
It is quite strange a non-believer to come here and open such a topic.
Looks more like something else to me.
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What bothers me is, that "I" come into his site to feel safe in my beliefs that Michael is alive. It is the place I can go and not feel alone, or like I'm crazy. Where there are others who feel and believe as I do. We learn together and care about each other and have the same hopes, that Michael will return one day.
When I come here and see things from people who don't feel the same, it hurts me. It takes away my security and makes me feel like someone is trying to rip away at my heart. I don't know why people come here with hateful words like he's dead. We don't go on their sites saying to them, that he's alive. It's not right. This is our place to express our beliefs without feeling like we are crazy.
There is a difference in coming here, stating that they are a non believer and want to read our info and understand why we feel as we do. But, to come here and say he's dead, and express why and why we are essentially blind, is wrong. Either keep that to yourself, or go to your site where others feel as you do. Here, we do not.
I feel as though, I want to stay away until they leave, but this is a PLACE FOR ME. For others who feel like I DO. Not the ones who chose to make me feel like I don't want to open the next page because of statements that I do not believe.
My opinion, yet one that will keep me from expressing my point of view further as this home for believers is not just our home at the moment when others are saying he's dead in the place we believe he is alive!!!
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Yes, it's me, I am in this forum, I don't want anyone to know though, so keep it a secret. I am alive and well. You are not alone I am here with you though we're far apart you're always in my heart. I am not dead. I am amazed that you could not be fooled. I guess I'm not very good at faking my death. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will visit again. Shhhhh, dont tell anyone.
Cool, MJKOP wait for me I am Elizabeth we can be together soon.. NOT. What a morron, don't you think we know you are not MJ. Why don't you go play somewhere else where you are wanted. First of all Michael would spread a love message and you didn't. Anyways not worth replying to this stupid person.
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As I experienced it with the non-believers, it is IMPOSSIBLE to open their eyes and brain and to let them see the truth. They can not even answer the questions we ask them but still they keep on thinking that we're just crazy people who have been believing in a dream. So what I'm going to say is, there's no need to try to show them the truth or try to convince, because they won't. I'm saying this just in case any of you want to try to convince them about the hoax. That's impossible.
I agree. But why they come here?
Because just a small part of them knows that Michael is alive but their brain doesn't allow them to believe it. They can not still resist to come here and check out what we are talking about but they do not have courage enough to confess that they want to learn the truth and if their small part is telling them the truth. They read the forum but still they do not want to be and so scared to be convinced and they are doing ALL they can do which is 1- Questioning us about why we believe 2- Having fun with us and trying to humiliate us
Shortly, this is just a waste of time trying to communicate them.
OK, I must tell this:
On the official site they found me GUILTY for being a member on the hoax site, constantly deleting my posts there.
How could they know I was a member here unless they visit this site?
I'm not sure the reason why they do this is because deep down they believe Michael is alive. I still don't understand their interest in coming here.
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Frankly I think this is a very enlightening discussion between the guests and members. And if MJ uses this forum,
I would say "welcome and enjoy yourself"
;)
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No, i am not a member, never was.
OK, thank you.
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And if Michael came and post a message of love you would still call him an impostor who imitates Michael. What message should he post in such way so you could believe him? I'll tell you. None. No matter what.
MJKOP ' sarcasm is fun though:)
Now i'll go before Gina gets me:)), that was really my last post so if anyone uses 1guest please don't swear me, it's not me.
Have a wonderful weekend!
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When I come here and see things from people who don't feel the same, it hurts me. It takes away my security and makes me feel like someone is trying to rip away at my heart.!
That´s what they want fordtocarr. Take care.
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you know what's funny, there are 13 guests and only 4 members online
Hello guests :mrgreen:
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And if Michael came and post a message of love you would still call him an impostor who imitates Michael. What message should he post in such way so you could believe him? I'll tell you. None. No matter what.
MJKOP ' sarcasm is fun though:)
Now i'll go before Gina gets me:)), that was really my last post so if anyone uses 1guest please don't swear me, it's not me.
Have a wonderful weekend!
What :lol: ?
I don't GET you LOL !!
I hope you are not BJ :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh, please don't go, I enjoyed your posts :mrgreen:
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Everyone.. I really want to have your opinion on this one.
What would Michael Jackson post in this thread, if he is watching it (maybe right now)?
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And if Michael came and post a message of love you would still call him an impostor who imitates Michael. What message should he post in such way so you could believe him? I'll tell you. None. No matter what.
I´m afraid you are right...
Ciao 1guest, it was nice to have you here.
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And if Michael came and post a message of love you would still call him an impostor who imitates Michael. What message should he post in such way so you could believe him? I'll tell you. None. No matter what.
MJKOP ' sarcasm is fun though:)
Now i'll go before Gina gets me:)), that was really my last post so if anyone uses 1guest please don't swear me, it's not me.
Have a wonderful weekend!
As for me you don't have to go,I like you.Hope you have a wonderful weekend too.
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And if Michael came and post a message of love you would still call him an impostor who imitates Michael. What message should he post in such way so you could believe him? I'll tell you. None. No matter what.
hmmmmmmmmm.... "if I tell you - you wouldn't believe me anyway ..."
How many times I've heard this in the last 20 months ?!
I can count on the fingers of one hand :mrgreen:
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Weird, none has used the username "michael jackson" yet. I mean, of the guests. Would Michael be honest and use that? I don't know.
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Weird, none has used the username "michael jackson" yet. I mean, of the guests. Would Michael be honest and use that? I don't know.
I don't think so
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Okay, now I AM going to lock it, because this is turning into a fight and is totally off topic.