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General Discussion => General Discussion => Other Hoaxes => Topic started by: gwynned on March 03, 2011, 10:21:02 PM
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We've all been watching the 'revolution sweeping the Middle East.' I must admit to having had questions regarding the official story. Then I saw an RT video that contradicted the official story that the Libyan army had launched air strikes against the people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYesnOD6_gQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYesnOD6_gQ)
More questions. As fate would have it (no coincidences!!!), yesterday I received an email from a Canadian friend of mine who happened to be in Russia and happened to talk to some Russian generals who just happened to have come back from Libya and they were very confused and angered by the reporting, even on Russian TV because they said NOTHING was going on. The cities were calm and Kadaffi was walking around like he always did. Hmmmm.....Are we in some kind of Twilight Zone episode??
I did further research and found that others were becoming suspicious of the event as reported, largely because the footage being provided appears to be fake. I've collected some of these videos which are really quite humorous. I tried to capture some of the humor in my brief intro to each video. There's lots more, I'm sure, but this is a pretty good start.
Very tongue in cheek reporting of Qadaffi's speech. And how did that guy get so close to him?
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/afric ... .conflict/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/03/libya.conflict/)
Some man threw his JUICE at the airplane that had just 'bombed' them. And remember, you don't want to be anywhere near those bombs when they drop them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/afric ... .conflict/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/03/libya.conflict/)
There were only two bombs dropped.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/afric ... .conflict/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/03/libya.conflict/)
How many times do we see the same white car. Then he says ' There's a lot of incompetence and these are not first grade fighters' and yet we are to believe that in a matter of a couple of weeks they have taken over 80% of the airfields.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVCQnteO12s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVCQnteO12s)
Love the 'Game Over' sign.....again. LOTs of fake footage. And what's with the peace sign they keep giving? Are the reporters embedded with the rebels?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjbKHmQo ... ature=fvwp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjbKHmQoU1U&NR=1&feature=fvwp)
Battlefield about nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5l0k4_EGB0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5l0k4_EGB0)
Check out the credentials on this long winded fool. The organization does not exist. He probably doesn't either. And what are the wrist bands about? A post victory rave?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3NADGrbJQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3NADGrbJQ)
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I am too tired for this, just a reminder to check later. Too much for me to take in now.
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I haven't checked all the links you've provided yet but it wouldn't surprise me if the media is lying to us once again. Gaddafi himself has denied the media reports and said there's no protests...
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I haven't checked all the links you've provided yet but it wouldn't surprise me if the media is lying to us once again. Gaddafi himself has denied the media reports and said there's no protests...
Yes I heard him say that and I was like what the hell? Is he living under a rock? I really don't know what to think of this, I will check the links later.
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LIBYAN CIVIL WAR - A HOAX???
Are you kidding me? OMG. So many people have been killed.
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LIBYAN CIVIL WAR - A HOAX???
Are you kidding me? OMG. So many people have been killed.
Who says? And who was it that said, just because you read it in a magazine don't make it factual.
The footage is fake and in some cases contradict what is being said on screen. One of the reports talks about devastation and riots, but all you see is a car going down a freeway and a picture of an oil rig, which they repeat at least three times. The scenes of mass chaos could be out of Lord of the Rings, or, shall I say, TDCAU.
Once you determine that it's a hoax, the next question is, who is The Joker?
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It's not a hoax. To many people have been killed for that.
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It's not a hoax. To many people have been killed for that.
What is your evidence?
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Ive been reading more into Libya and Gadaffi and am amazed at how warped this World really is!
Gaddaffi funded the IRA with Libyian money (along with our "friendly" allies, the Americans with their dollars).
Apparently the British government armed Gadaffi and it is with British guns and bullets which are now being used against the Libyan people.
Now the British government are talking about taking Gadaffi down with our military.
Meanwhile, David Cameron is waltzing around the Middle East with arms dealers in tow!
Makes my head spin... the pure hypocrisy of it all.
This aint about people... its about power and money and oil. Its about World leaders playing their own little War games and using their citizens as pawns. They dont care... they arent the one in the firing line of a military tank, or a terrorist bomb. They are protected and safe.
I dont care what country they are from... i really hate them all. This World is a volitile place and they are playing their games with our lives in their hands.
And its only going to get worse. They pull the strings and use propoganda to instill this hate into people.
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Also as an after-thought: Nelson Mandela.
"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"
Why is he now on of the most respected world leaders? i know the history... and i also know that he was leader of the armed wing of ANC and civilians did become casualties. He started off peaceful and then escaleted. He admits that himself.
Mind boggles... really does...
V for Vendetta!!!
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Here's another view on Khadaffi:
Black Agenda Report
March 2, 2011
Libya, Getting it Right: A Revolutionary Pan-African Perspective
by Gerald A. Perreira
Thousands of Indians, Egyptians, Chinese, Filipinos, Turks, Germans, English, Italians, Malaysians, Koreans and a host of other nationalities are lining up at the borders and the airport to leave Libya. It begs the question: What were they doing in Libya in the first place? Unemployment figures, according to the Western media and Al Jazeera, are at 30%. If this is so, then why all these foreign workers?
For those of us who have lived and worked in Libya, there are many complexities to the current situation that have been completely overlooked by the Western media and 'Westoxicated' analysts, who have nothing other than a Eurocentric perspective to draw on. Let us be clear - there is no possibility of understanding what is happening in Libya within a Eurocentric framework. Westerners are incapable of understanding a system unless the system emanates from or is attached in some way to the West. Libya's system and the battle now taking place on its soil, stands completely outside of the Western imagination.
News coverage by the BBC, CNN and Al Jazeera has been oversimplified and misleading. An array of anti-Qaddafi spokespersons, most living outside Libya, have been paraded in front of us – each one clearly a counter-revolutionary and less credible than the last. Despite the clear and irrefutable evidence from the beginning of these protests that Muammar Qaddafi had considerable support both inside Libya and internationally, not one pro-Qaddafi voice has been allowed to air. The media and their selected commentators have done their best to manufacture an opinion that Libya is essentially the same as Egypt and Tunisia and that Qaddafi is just another tyrant amassing large sums of money in Swiss bank accounts. But no matter how hard they try, they cannot make Qaddafi into a Mubarak or Libya into Egypt.
“Libya's system and the battle now taking place on its soil, stands completely outside of the Western imagination.”
The first question is: Is the revolt taking place in Libya fuelled by a concern over economic issues such as poverty and unemployment as the media would have us believe? Let us examine the facts.
Under the revolutionary leadership of Muammar Qaddafi, Libya has attained the highest standard of living in Africa. In 2007, in an article which appeared in the African Executive Magazine, Norah Owaraga noted that Libya, “unlike other oil producing countries such as Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, utilized the revenue from its oil to develop its country. The standard of living of the people of Libya is one of the highest in Africa, falling in the category of countries with a GNP per capita of between USD 2,200 and 6,000.”
This is all the more remarkable when we consider that in 1951 Libya was officially the poorest country in the world. According to the World Bank, the per capita income was less than $50 a year - even lower than India. Today, all Libyans own their own homes and cars. Two Fleet Street journalists, David Blundy and Andrew Lycett, who are by no means supporters of the Libyan revolution, had this to say:
“The young people are well dressed, well fed and well educated. Libyans now earn more per capita than the British. The disparity in annual incomes... is smaller than in most countries. Libya's wealth has been fairly spread throughout society. Every Libyan gets free, and often excellent, education, medical and health services. New colleges and hospitals are impressive by any international standard. All Libyans have a house or a flat, a car and most have televisions, video recorders and telephones. Compared with most citizens of the Third World countries, and with many in the First World, Libyans have it very good indeed.” (Source: Qaddafi and the Libyan Revolution)
Large scale housing construction has taken place right across the country. Every citizen has been given a decent house or apartment to live in rent-free. In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.” This dictum has now become a reality for the Libyan people.
Large scale agricultural projects have been implemented in an effort to “make the desert bloom” and achieve self-sufficiency in food production. Any Libyan who wants to become a farmer is given free use of land, a house, farm equipment, some livestock and seed.
“The standard of living of the people of Libya is one of the highest in Africa.”
Today, Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of all charges. The fact is that the Libyan revolution has achieved such a high standard of living for its people that they import labor from other parts of the world to do the jobs that the unemployed Libyans refuse to do. Libya has been called by many observers inside and out, “a nation of shop keepers.” It is part of the Libyan Arab psyche to own your own small business and this type of small scale private enterprise flourishes in Libya. We can draw on many examples of Libyans with young sons who expressed the idea that it would be shameful for the family if these same young men were to seek menial work and instead preferred for them to remain at home supported by the extended family.
No system is perfect, and Libya is no exception. They suffered nine years of economic sanctions and this caused huge problems for the Libyan economy. Also, there is nowhere on planet earth that has escaped the monumental crisis of neo-liberal capitalism. It has impacted everywhere – even on post revolutionary societies that have rejected “free market” capitalism. However, what we are saying is that severe economic injustice is not at the heart of this conflict. So then, what is?
A Battle for Africa
The battle that is being waged in Libya is fundamentally a battle between Pan-African forces on the one hand, who are dedicated to the realization of Qaddafi's vision of a united Africa, and reactionary racist Libyan Arab forces who reject Qaddafi's vision of Libya as part of a united Africa and want to ally themselves instead with the EU and look toward Europe and the Arab World for Libya's future.
One of Muammar Qaddafi's most controversial and difficult moves in the eyes of many Libyans was his championing of Africa and his determined drive to unite Africa with one currency, one army and a shared vision regarding the true independence and liberation of the entire continent. He has contributed large amounts of his time and energy and large sums of money to this project and like Kwame Nkrumah, he has paid a high price.
Many of the Libyan people did not approve of this move. They wanted their leader to look towards Europe. Of course, Libya has extensive investments and commercial ties with Europe but the Libyans know that Qaddafi’s heart is in Africa.
Many years ago, Qaddafi told a large gathering, which included Libyans and revolutionaries from many parts of the world, that the Black Africans were the true owners of Libya long before the Arab incursion into North Africa, and that Libyans need to acknowledge and pay tribute to their ancient African roots. He ended by saying, as is proclaimed in his Green Book, that “the Black race shall prevail throughout the world.” This is not what many Libyans wanted to hear. As with all fair skinned Arabs, prejudice against Black Africans is endemic.
Brother Leader, Guide of the Revolution and King of Kings are some of the titles that have been bestowed on Qaddafi by Africans. Only last month Qaddafi called for the creation of a Secretariat of traditional African Chiefs and Kings, with whom he has excellent ties, to co-ordinate efforts to build African unity at the grassroots level throughout the continent, a bottom up approach, as opposed to trying to build unity at the government/state level, an approach which has failed the African unification project since the days of Kwame Nkrumah and Sekou Toure. This bottom up approach is widely supported by many Pan Africanists worldwide.
African Mercenaries or Freedom Fighters?
In the past week, the phrase “African mercenaries” has been repeated over and over by the media and the selected Libyan citizens they choose to speak to have, as one commentator put it, “spat the word ‘African’ with a venomous hatred.”
The media has assumed, without any research or understanding of the situation because they are refusing to give any air time to pro-Qaddafi forces, that the many Africans in military uniform fighting alongside the pro-Qaddafi Libyan forces are mercenaries. However, it is a myth that the Africans fighting to defend the Jamahiriya and Muammar Qaddafi are mercenaries being paid a few dollars and this assumption is based solely on the usual racist and contemptuous view of Black Africans.
Actually, in truth, there are people all over Africa and the African Diaspora who support and respect Muammar Qaddafi as a result of his invaluable contribution to the worldwide struggle for African emancipation.
“It is a myth that the Africans fighting to defend the Jamahiriya and Muammar Qaddafi are mercenaries being paid a few dollars.”
Over the past two decades, thousands of Africans from all over the continent were provided with education, work and military training – many of them coming from liberation movements. As a result of Libya's support for liberation movements throughout Africa and the world, international battalions were formed. These battalions saw themselves as a part of the Libyan revolution, and took it upon themselves to defend the revolution against attacks from within its borders or outside.
These are the Africans who are fighting to defend Qaddafi and the gains of the Libyan revolution to their death if need be. It is not unlike what happened when internationalist battalions came to the aid of the revolutionary forces against Franco's fascist forces in Spain.
Malian political analyst, Adam Thiam, notes that “thousands of Tuaregs who were enrolled in the Islamic Legion established by the Libyan revolution remained in Libya and they are enrolled in the Libyan security forces.”
African Migrants under Attack
As African fighters from Chad, Niger, Mali, Ghana, Kenya and Southern Sudan (it should be noted that Libya supported the Sudanese People’s Liberation Army under John Garang in their war of liberation against Arab hegemonists in Khartoum, while all other Arab leaders backed the Khartoum regime) fight to defend this African revolution, a million African refugees and thousands of African migrant workers stand the risk of being murdered as a result of their perceived support for Qaddafi.
One Turkish construction worker described a massacre: “We had 70-80 people from Chad working for our company. They were cut dead with pruning shears and axes, attackers saying: ‘You are providing troops for Qaddafi. The Sudanese were also massacred. We saw it for ourselves.”
This is a far cry from what is being portrayed in the media as “peaceful protesters” being set upon by pro-Qaddafi forces. In fact, footage of the Benghazi revolt shows men with machetes, AK 47s and RPGs. In the Green Book, Qaddafi argues for the transfer of all power, wealth and arms directly into the hands of the people themselves. No one can deny that the Libyan populace is heavily armed. This is part of Qaddafi's philosophy of arms not being monopolised by any section of the society, including the armed forces. It must be said that it is not usual practice for tyrants and dictators to arm their population.
Qaddafi has also been very vocal regarding the plight of Africans who migrate to Europe, where they are met with racism, more poverty, violence at the hands of extreme right wing groups and in many cases death, when the un-seaworthy boats they travel in sink.
“Qaddafi has also been very vocal regarding the plight of Africans who migrate to Europe.”
Moved by their plight, a conference was held in Libya in January this year, to address their needs and concerns. More than 500 delegates and speakers from around the world attended the conference titled “A Decent Life in Europe or a Welcome Return to Africa.”
“We should live in Europe with decency and dignity,” Qaddafi told participants. “We need a good relationship with Europe not a relationship of master and slave. There should be a strong relationship between Africa and Europe. Our presence should be strong, tangible and good. It’s up to you as the Africans in the Diaspora. We have to continue more and more until the unity of Africa is achieved.
From now on, by the will of God, I will assign teams to search, investigate and liaise with the Africans in Europe and to check their situations...this is my duty and role towards the sons of Africa; I am a soldier for Africa. I am here for you and I work for you; therefore, I will not leave you and I will follow up on your conditions.”
Joint committees of African migrants, the United Nations, the African Union, the European Union and international organizations present at the conference discussed the need to coordinate the implementation of many of the conference's recommendations.
Statements are appearing all over the internet from Africans who have a different view to that being perpetuated by those intent on discrediting Qaddafi and the Libyan revolution. One African commented:
“When I was growing up I first read a comic book of his revolution at the age of ten. Since then, as dictators came and went, Colonel Qaddafi has made an impression on me as a man who truly loves Africa! Libyans could complain that he spent their wealth on other Africans! But those Africans he helped put in power, built schools and mosques and brought in many forms of development showing that Africans can do for themselves. If those Africans would abandon him to be swallowed by Western Imperialism and their lies and just let him go as a dictator in the name of so-called democracy...if they could do that...they should receive the names and fate that the Western press gives our beloved leader. If there is any one person who was half as generous as he is, let them step forward.”
And another African comments:
“This man has been accused of many things and listening to the West who just recently were happy to accept his generous hospitality, you will think that he is worse than Hitler. The racism and contemptuous attitudes of Arabs towards Black Africans has made me a natural sceptic of any overtures from them to forge a closer link with Black Africa but Qaddafi was an exception.”
Opportunistic Revolt
This counter-revolutionary revolt caught everyone, including the Libyan authorities, by surprise. They knew what the media is not reporting: that unlike Egypt and Tunisia and other countries in the region, where there is tremendous poverty, unemployment and repressive pro-Western regimes, the Libyan dynamic was entirely different. However, an array of opportunistic forces, ranging from so-called Islamists, Arab-Supremacists, including some of those who have recently defected from Qaddafi's inner circle, have used the events in neighbouring countries as a pretext to stage a coup and to advance their own agenda for the Libyan nation. Many of these former officials were the authors of, and covertly fuelled the anti-African pogrom in Libya a few years ago when many Africans lost their lives in street battles between Africans and Arab Libyans. This was a deliberate attempt to embarrass Qaddafi and to undermine his efforts in Africa.
Qaddafi has long been a thorn in the Islamists side. In his recent address to the Libyan people, broadcast from the ruins of the Bab al-Azizia compound bombed by Reagan in 1986, he asked the “bearded ones” in Benghazi and Jabal al Akhdar where they were when Reagan bombed his compound in Tripoli, killing hundreds of Libyans, including his daughter. He said they were hiding in their homes applauding the US and he vowed that he would never allow the country to be returned to the grip of them and their colonial masters.
Al Qaeda is in the Sahara on his borders and the International Union of Muslim Scholars is calling for him to be tried in a court. One asks why are they calling for Qaddafi's blood? Why not Mubarak who closed the Rafah Border Crossing while the Israeli's slaughtered the Palestinians in Gaza. Why not Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Blair who are responsible for the murder of millions of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan?
“An array of opportunistic forces, ranging from so-called Islamists, Arab-Supremacists, including some of those who have recently defected from Qaddafi's inner circle, have used the events in neighbouring countries as a pretext to stage a coup.”
The answer is simple - because Qaddafi committed some “cardinal sins.” He dared to challenge their reactionary and feudal notions of Islam. He has upheld the idea that every Muslim is a ruler (Caliph) and does not need the Ulema to interpret the Quran for them. He has questioned the Islam of the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda from a Quranic/theological perspective and is one of the few political leaders equipped to do so. Qaddafi has been called a Mujaddid (this term refers to a person who appears to revive Islam and to purge it of alien elements, restoring it to its authentic form) and he comes in the tradition of Jamaludeen Afghani and the late Iranian revolutionary, Ali Shariati.
Libya is a deeply traditional society, plagued with some outmoded and bankrupt ideas that continue to surface to this day. In many ways, Qaddafi has had to struggle against the same reactionary aspects of Arab culture and tradition that the holy prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was struggling against in 7th century Arabia – Arab supremacy/racism, supremacy of family and tribe, historical feuding tribe against tribe and the marginalisation of women. Benghazi has always been at the heart of counter-revolution in Libya, fostering reactionary Islamic movements such as the Wahhabis and Salafists. It is these people who founded the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group based in Benghazi which allies itself with Al Qaeda and who have, over the years, been responsible for the assassination of leading members of the Libyan revolutionary committees.
These forces hate Qaddafi's revolutionary reading of the Quran. They foster an Islam concerned with outward trappings and mere religiosity, in the form of rituals, which at the same time is feudal and repressive, while rejecting the liberatory spirituality of Islam. While these so-called Islamists are opposed to Western occupation of Muslim lands, they have no concrete programmatic platform for meaningful socio-economic and political transformation to advance their societies beyond semi-feudal and capitalist systems which reinforce the most backward and reactionary ideas and traditions. Qaddafi's political philosophy, as outlined in the Green Book, rejects unfettered capitalism in all its manifestations, including the “State capitalism” of the former communist countries and the neo-liberal capitalist model that has been imposed at a global level. The idea that capitalism is not compatible with Islam and the Quran is not palatable to many Arabs and so-called Islamists because they hold onto the fallacious notion that business and trade is synonymous with capitalism.
Getting it Right
Whatever the mistakes made by Qaddafi and the Libyan revolution, its gains and its huge contribution to the struggle of oppressed peoples worldwide cannot and must not be ignored. Saif Qaddafi, when asked about the position of his father and family, said this battle is not about one man and his family, it is about Libya and the direction it will take.
That direction has always been controversial. In 1982, The World Mathaba was established in Libya. Mathaba means a gathering place for people with a common purpose. The World Mathaba brought together revolutionaries and freedom fighters from every corner of the globe to share ideas and develop their revolutionary knowledge. Many liberation groups throughout the world received education, training and support from Muammar Qaddafi and the Libyan revolution including ANC, AZAPO, PAC and BCM of Azania (South Africa), SWAPO of Namibia, MPLA of Angola, The Sandinistas of Nicaragua, The Polisario of the Sahara, the PLO, The Native American Movements throughout the Americas, The Nation of Islam led by Louis Farrakhan to name but a few. Nelson Mandela called Muammar Qaddafi one of this century’s greatest freedom fighters, and insisted that the eventual collapse of the apartheid system owed much to Qaddafi and Libyan support. Mandela said that in the darkest moments of their struggle, when their backs were to the wall, it was Muammar Qaddafi who stood with them. The late African freedom fighter, Kwame Ture, referred to Qaddafi as “a diamond in a cesspool of African misleaders.”
“Nelson Mandela called Muammar Qaddafi one of this century’s greatest freedom fighters.”
The hideous notion being perpetuated by the media and reactionary forces, inside and outside of Libya, that this is just another story of a bloated dictatorship that has run its course is mis-information and deliberate distortion. Whatever one’s opinions of Qaddafi the man, no one can deny his invaluable contribution to human emancipation and the universal truths outlined in his Green Book.
Progressive scholars in many parts of the world, including the West, have acclaimed The Green Book as an incisive critique of capitalism and the Western Parliamentary model of multi-party democracy. In addition, there is no denying that the system of direct democracy posited by Qaddafi in The Green Book offers an alternative model and solution for Africa and the Third World, where multi-party so-called democracy has been a dismal failure, resulting in poverty, ethnic and tribal conflict and chaos.
Every revolution, since the beginning of time, has defended itself against those who would want to roll back its gains. Europeans should look back into their own bloody history to see that this includes the American, French and Bolshevik revolutions. Marxists speak of Trotsky and Lenin’s brutal suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion by the Red Army as being a “tragic necessity.”
Let's get it right: The battle in Libya is not about peaceful protestors versus an armed and hostile State. All sides are heavily armed and hostile. The battle being waged in Libya is essentially a battle between those who want to see a united and liberated Libya and Africa, free of neo-colonialism and neo-liberal capitalism and free to construct their own system of governance compatible with the African and Arab personalities and cultures and those who find this entire notion repugnant. And both sides are willing to pay the ultimate price to defend their positions.
Make no mistake, if Qaddafi and the Libyan revolution are defeated by this opportunistic conglomerate of reactionaries and racists, then progressive forces worldwide and the Pan African project will suffer a huge defeat and set back.
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thankyou for the above.
Interesting to see Nelson Mandelas comments after what i had posted.
I also agree that Bush and Blair should be brought to account.
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Libya's not the first media hoax.
http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/20 ... ived-hoax/ (http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/russian-military-claim-the-libya-airstikes-were-a-contrived-hoax/)
Who could forget the Iraqi incubator babies hoax, in which it was claimed that Saddam Hussein had ordered his henchmen to remove babies from their incubators in Kuwait and leave them for dead on hospital floors. The story was aggressively hyped by the western media and graciously exploited by George H.W. Bush for war propaganda before the first Gulf War.
Of course, the whole story was subsequently discovered to be a carefully crafted hoax cooked up by the Kuwaiti government in exile along with American PR firm Hill & Knowlton, led by by the firm’s CEO and former Bush staffer Craig Fuller, who was tasked to “devise a campaign to win American support for the war.”
Similarly, Bill Clinton’s attack on Serbia in the 90′s was launched on the back of a fabricated controversy involving a Serbian relief camp that housed Bosnian refugees, which the media spun into being a Nazi-style “concentration camp” in which emaciated Bosnians were being imprisoned against their will.
The footage broadcast by the global media was contrived so as to make it look as if the Bosnians were inside a barbed-wire enclosure, when in fact it was the British TV news crew who were inside the enclosure and who were filming through the barbed-wire to the outside, where Bosnians had gathered. The “emaciated concentration camp victim” was in fact a man with a natural birth defect.
The video clip below is a key reminder of how the global population is routinely manipulated into supporting supposedly benevolent wars based on fabricated “humanitarian” crises. Lest we forget Sun Tzu’s admonition in The Art Of War – “All war is based on deception….in war, the first casualty is truth.”
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This aint about people... its about power and money and oil. Its about World leaders playing their own little War games and using their citizens as pawns. They dont care... they arent the one in the firing line of a military tank, or a terrorist bomb. They are protected and safe.
This World is a volitile place and they are playing their games with our lives in their hands.
And its only going to get worse. They pull the strings and use propoganda to instill this hate into people.
I agree with your statements here Miss.Peppers. All these alleged protests, fighting, etc all seem very contrived and part of their big plan. And it does appear to getting worse, like it'll eventually culminate worldwide - with no one escaping. But maybe there's still time...
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Reminder to read this later.
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Here's an interesting comment that someone wrote after he pointed out the discrepancies in on of the photos:
What I think is most striking of this picture is that the fingers of these people point at where the "mistakes" were made. It's almost like the fakers are purposefully giving hints :blink:
Hmmm......Now who does that sound like?
Here's the link. The photos are pretty funny:
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2351090 (http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=791&sid=aa9ecb7f990102f071d9ed8bfd0f9c61&p=2351090#p2351090)
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I agree with your statements here Miss.Peppers. All these alleged protests, fighting, etc all seem very contrived and part of their big plan. And it does appear to getting worse, like it'll eventually culminate worldwide - with no one escaping. But maybe there's still time...
Depends on whose plan you think this is. Looks like some kind of Joker to me! Did he scare you?
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I agree with your statements here Miss.Peppers. All these alleged protests, fighting, etc all seem very contrived and part of their big plan. And it does appear to getting worse, like it'll eventually culminate worldwide - with no one escaping. But maybe there's still time...
Depends on whose plan you think this is. Looks like some kind of Joker to me! Did he scare you?
Ha! I wish I knew - I guess I don't know what to believe unless I see it with my own eyes...I certainly know the media lies and what I find scary is that people swallow these lies everyday without thinking twice. :? You know what I mean?
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Here's an interesting comment that someone wrote after he pointed out the discrepancies in on of the photos:
What I think is most striking of this picture is that the fingers of these people point at where the "mistakes" were made. It's almost like the fakers are purposefully giving hints :blink:
Hmmm......Now who does that sound like?
Here's the link. The photos are pretty funny:
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2351090 (http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=791&sid=aa9ecb7f990102f071d9ed8bfd0f9c61&p=2351090#p2351090)
Just wanted to point out that the pointing finger reminds me of Michael pointing to the clock in TII with a similar gesture.
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Gee ... not everything which leaves ambigious impressions on the net is supposed to be a hoax or a conspiraxy. Some of these are just questionable sources or "interest groups" (does one say so?) who follow their own agenda.
We should think for ourselves ... critically but not denying facts.
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Gee ... not everything which leaves ambigious impressions on the net is supposed to be a hoax or a conspiraxy. Some of these are just questionable sources or "interest groups" (does one say so?) who follow their own agenda.
We should think for ourselves ... critically but not denying facts.
And what facts am I denying? Have you looked at the facts I provided or are you just dismissing my suggestion because it seems impossible or unreasonable to you and doesn't line up with your picture of the world?
I'll lay it out here for people who may not see what I'm getting at here. This is the BAM. This is It, or at least part of it. I'm sure there's more to come. It really is the greatest show on earth - isn't everyone watching the revolution from the convenience of their living rooms? Oh, and what about the Tuscon shootings. That had everyone mesmerized for weeks. When did it all begin?
Remember remember the day that Breaking News was released, the 5th of November, the day that Michael, or shall I say, Mr. V launched his assault. Shortly thereafter a wayward missile was launched off the coast of California. The Pentagon had no explanation. Was this some kind of joke, or a shot across the bow.
Here's a few subsequent stories that had me laughing:
Matt Lauer takes Bush's confession in a church with an illuminati pyramid in the background;
Donald Rumsfeld appears on a talk show and is asked repeatedly if he is a lizzard. No, he didn't laugh, but he did change the subject;
Prank call from one of the Koch brothers to the Governor of Minnesota;
The Royals take a wrong turn and get stuck amidst protestors who chant 'off with their heads' as they threaten them with sticks.
Jared Lee Loughner only exists on Youtube and photos (very funny ones, I might add) and pleads not guilty.....just like Conrad Murray - I think they both have trial dates this week!
I had imagined a comeback quite different. But then I'm not the man behind the curtain.
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I am very careful to judge over a country's issues that I am not familiar with.
I had to read many ridiculing and depricatory comments on some links provided above. This leaves me with the impression that there is quite a bit of mislead interests sitting in front of some screens.
Example: to think about a hoax just because a white car can be seen in several photographs is - excuse me - really ignorant and adjudging. It is the expression of not having a glimpse of a clue about the subject which is being talked.
I know some of North Africa and I can confirm that there is much poverty for many, much prosperity for few, many talents and humour to survive anyhow and that Chinese and Koreans e.g. are temporary staff for construction (housing and infrastructure) since national population does not have the education, knowledge, is not always as disciplined as those subcontractors or is just too expensive. Europeans are the engineers, contractor staff are Asians.
Sometimes a look only from the outside lacks a complement called understanding.
It would be wise to shake hands first, bring a gift and then talk, respect and thank for the conversation, then re-invite the counterpart.
Don't have a guest who's not leaving your house happier than he came.
As long as these basics are not understood in the western world countries, they will always be perceived like hegemonial invaders and may wonder why they will be greeted by the unexpected.
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It's not a hoax. To many people have been killed for that.
What is your evidence?
People always need evidence :? I'm convinced that it is not a hoax! As I said before, to many people died. It doesn't matter who is wrong or not. It does matter what you believe. And I believe that this isn't a hoax.
3 dutch soldiers were doing a rescue operation, to get 3 people out of there. Supporters of Kadhafi, arrested the 3 soldiers and have been accused for spying. Maybe the soldiers get in prison for a couple of years...and in such a country like that, maybe even death penalty.
The soldiers were not spying, they wanted to get those 3 people out of there!
Those 3 soldiers are in captivity. :cry:
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It's not a hoax. To many people have been killed for that.
What is your evidence?
People always need evidence :? I'm convinced that it is not a hoax! As I said before, to many people died. It doesn't matter who is wrong or not. It does matter what you believe. And I believe that this isn't a hoax.
3 dutch soldiers were doing a rescue operation, to get 3 people out of there. Supporters of Kadhafi, arrested the 3 soldiers and have been accused for spying. Maybe the soldiers get in prison for a couple of years...and in such a country like that, maybe even death penalty.
The soldiers were not spying, they wanted to get those 3 people out of there!
Those 3 soldiers are in captivity. :cry:
You're sure about all this? Cuz I remember so many people were sure Michael had died and they were repeating, like you are, all the things that were said in the news. I saw the helicopter deliver the body! His own brother had said he died! What about the memorial! His children were crying! Blah, blah, blah.
My question is why would we not apply the same investigative approach to this situation as we did to the MJ hoax. Namely, scrutinize the media reports. Are they consistent? Are the videos and photos credible or are they photoshopped? And we need to use our common sense. Is it really possible for unorganized previously unknown rebels to take over 80% of the oil fields as was reported earlier this weeks IN ONLY TWO WEEKS!!!! That alone should arouse suspicions.
Remember: Just because you read it in the news don't mean it's factual.
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It's not a hoax. To many people have been killed for that.
What is your evidence?
People always need evidence :? I'm convinced that it is not a hoax! As I said before, to many people died. It doesn't matter who is wrong or not. It does matter what you believe. And I believe that this isn't a hoax.
3 dutch soldiers were doing a rescue operation, to get 3 people out of there. Supporters of Kadhafi, arrested the 3 soldiers and have been accused for spying. Maybe the soldiers get in prison for a couple of years...and in such a country like that, maybe even death penalty.
The soldiers were not spying, they wanted to get those 3 people out of there!
Those 3 soldiers are in captivity. :cry:
You're sure about all this? Cuz I remember so many people were sure Michael had died and they were repeating, like you are, all the things that were said in the news. I saw the helicopter deliver the body! His own brother had said he died! What about the memorial! His children were crying! Blah, blah, blah.
My question is why would we not apply the same investigative approach to this situation as we did to the MJ hoax. Namely, scrutinize the media reports. Are they consistent? Are the videos and photos credible or are they photoshopped? And we need to use our common sense. Is it really possible for unorganized previously unknown rebels to take over 80% of the oil fields as was reported earlier this weeks IN ONLY TWO WEEKS!!!! That alone should arouse suspicions.
Remember: Just because you read it in the news don't mean it's factual.
Maybe...but not everything is a hoax. This is so much different then the MJ hoax. I saw video shots of the soldiers in captivity on the news. And in the streets...there is so much chaos!
So...IF! the libyan war is a hoax...what about Tunesia and Egypt? All hoaxes?
People finally stand up for themselves! People in Libya do not longer live by the rules of Kadhafi. They have their rights back. That was taken away from them. Kadhafi killed his own people, what a nice ruler...killing his own people...pfff :?
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I don't want to speak about Egypt or Tunisia as I have not spent any time investigating them. I do find it odd that both former leaders are reported to be in comas!
With regard to Khadaffi, here's a quite different view of him and the situation in his country. Full unemployment, 90% of the food grown domestically, literacy rate higher than the US. They practice direct rather than representative democracy. Could it be that THEY don't want us to know that things could be better?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdaUt8BIwxg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdaUt8BIwxg)
ps. I'm just getting educated about Libya myself so I have no particular agenda in this regard.
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People finally stand up for themselves! People in Libya do not longer live by the rules of Kadhafi. They have their rights back. That was taken away from them. Kadhafi killed his own people, what a nice ruler...killing his own people...pfff :? [/b][/i]
Many people believe 9/11 was an inside job. If this is true, Bush also killed his own people.
I truly believe all polititians and leaders, from whatever country, have their own power agenda and care little for their own citizens.
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People finally stand up for themselves! People in Libya do not longer live by the rules of Kadhafi. They have their rights back. That was taken away from them. Kadhafi killed his own people, what a nice ruler...killing his own people...pfff :? [/b][/i]
Many people believe 9/11 was an inside job. If this is true, Bush also killed his own people.
I truly believe all polititians and leaders, from whatever country, have their own power agenda and care little for their own citizens.
Wow! Kim, on what basis do you say Qadaffi killed his own people? What do you really know about Libya or are you just repeating what you've heard in the media. I remind you the media told us repeatedly that Michael was a child molester. Do they have similar aims to discredit Kadaffi? Did you listen to the video link I provided?
Miss Peppers, how is it you come to the conclusion that ALL leaders care little for their own citizens. There are literally hundreds of countries, some of which we probably don't know the names of and certainly can't claim to know much about. Could it be that the Western propagandist machine wants you to lump all leaders into the same category so that you lose faith in all leadership and all movements and thereby lose all hope for a better future.
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Miss Peppers, how is it you come to the conclusion that ALL leaders care little for their own citizens. There are literally hundreds of countries, some of which we probably don't know the names of and certainly can't claim to know much about. Could it be that the Western propagandist machine wants you to lump all leaders into the same category so that you lose faith in all leadership and all movements and thereby lose all hope for a better future.
Im talking about all leaders... East, West and Inbetween.
I have enough intelligence to look beyond the media and recognize the propoganda and make my own mind up on these issues. xxx :geek:
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Miss Peppers, how is it you come to the conclusion that ALL leaders care little for their own citizens. There are literally hundreds of countries, some of which we probably don't know the names of and certainly can't claim to know much about. Could it be that the Western propagandist machine wants you to lump all leaders into the same category so that you lose faith in all leadership and all movements and thereby lose all hope for a better future.
Im talking about all leaders... East, West and Inbetween.
I have enough intelligence to look beyond the media and recognize the propoganda and make my own mind up on these issues. xxx :geek:
I'm not questioning your intelligence. I'm questioning your source for information. In the case of Kadaffi, what is your source for determining he killed his own people and doesn't care about them? And you stand by you assertion that ALL leaders are corrupt and/or don't care about people. NO EXCEPTIONS! Is that correct?
Sorry if I sound harsh, but I've presented a theory and had hoped that people would either prove my theory wrong with evidence or consider the theory seriously and do their own investigation. After all, have we not spent many months dismantling the mainstream media reports on Michael, proving repeatedly that MEDIA LIES!!! I had not expected mere assertions of truth without any evidence, such as Kadaffi killed his own people. You may as well be quoting Diane Diamond about MJ.
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@gywnedd. I didnt say Gadaffi killed his own people.. i was replying to KIM and using 9/11 to challenge her perception.
For me to post all my research and reading, and all my sources, etc would take a lot longer than this thread. Its an ongoing process and i read pretty much all i can when i have the time to do so. My reading is far and wide.
I enjoy debate and i enjoy this thread. xx
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@gywnedd. I didnt say Gadaffi killed his own people.. i was replying to KIM and using 9/11 to challenge her perception.
For me to post all my research and reading, and all my sources, etc would take a lot longer than this thread. Its an ongoing process and i read pretty much all i can when i have the time to do so. My reading is far and wide.
I enjoy debate and i enjoy this thread. xx
So back to the subject at hand, what specifically have you read about Kadaffi that has lead you to conclude that, like ALL the other leaders in the world, he doesn't care about his people.
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@gywnedd. I didnt say Gadaffi killed his own people.. i was replying to KIM and using 9/11 to challenge her perception.
For me to post all my research and reading, and all my sources, etc would take a lot longer than this thread. Its an ongoing process and i read pretty much all i can when i have the time to do so. My reading is far and wide.
I enjoy debate and i enjoy this thread. xx
So back to the subject at hand, what specifically have you read about Kadaffi that has lead you to conclude that, like ALL the other leaders in the world, he doesn't care about his people.
i cant quote specifics. I read extensively and i dont bookmark all the links so i can then prove to someone what i have read in order to justify my beliefs. Sorry about that. x
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What are you up to, gwynned?
Ghaddaffi is a sane saint, caring for his people? Are you sure? Why? How? And the world is wrong? Excuse me ....
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What are you up to, gwynned?
Ghaddaffi is a sane saint, caring for his people? Are you sure? Why? How? And the world is wrong? Excuse me ....
It would be interesting if gwynned would post her proof that gadaffi isnt killing his own people. Instead she demands i post proof of my belief that all polititians are power cray and have their own agenda.
But they do... obvious. Gadaffi funded the IRA. Then Blair meets him and kisses him. Now we have Cameron touring the middle east with Arms dealers. Its all a load of twoddle and i dont believe or trust any of them.
Im not on Gadaffi's side. He funded terrorism. Enough for me. Let alone all of the other things he is accused of doing.
But the West are no angels either. All as bad as each other.
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What are you up to, gwynned?
Ghaddaffi is a sane saint, caring for his people? Are you sure? Why? How? And the world is wrong? Excuse me ....
It would be interesting if gwynned would post her proof that gadaffi isnt killing his own people. Instead she demands i post proof of my belief that all polititians are power cray and have their own agenda.
But they do... obvious. Gadaffi funded the IRA. Then Blair meets him and kisses him. Now we have Cameron touring the middle east with Arms dealers. Its all a load of twoddle and i dont believe or trust any of them.
Im not on Gadaffi's side. He funded terrorism. Enough for me. Let alone all of the other things he is accused of doing.
But the West are no angels either. All as bad as each other.
Miss Peppers, can you prove to me that YOU have not killed anyone?
But you're right about the IRA. He looks more Irish to me than Libyan.
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Merging.
You know, I'm not sure anything of consequence is going on in Libya at all. In fact, I think it may all be a hoax. And I'm not alone in thinking that.
It is not a hoax. Khadafi is recruiting soldiers from other countries.
This is a destabilization issue for North Africa.
Just because your media do not report on this war does not make it inexistant, less bloody and less dirty.
Use your instincts and the web instead. It's all there.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=18876&p=337520#p337480
gwynned wrote: Please provide links or supporting information on your assertions about Khadfi.
Alstublieft - it is old news picked up from African sources by western main stream media, the subject is still being discussed in forums (in Italian or French):
the mercenaries are hired in Tchad, Soudan, Niger, Mali, Europe.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=364418
http://www.africafocus.org/docs11/na1103.php
http://intelligencenews.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/01-709/
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/africa/16mali.html
http://tomathon.com/mphp/2011/02/libyas-african-mercenary-problem/
http://www.myweku.com/2011/02/gaddafi-is-killing-us-with-his-african-mercenaries/
http://www.suite101.fr/content/libye--qui-sont-les-mercenaires-du-dictateur-mouammar-kadhafi--a26205
http://tchadonline.com/kadhafi-emploie-des-mercenaires-mais-combien/
http://probe.20minutes-blogs.fr/archive/2011/04/30/serbian-mercenaries-fighting-on-behalf-of-gaddafi.html
http://adrar-info.net/?p=1422
Background:
http://www.iacenter.org/africa/libya-it-dinucci042411/
If you are a strong one, go to youtube and search the war videos about Libya.
Don't tell me burned bodies were a hoax.
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Without a doubt, that it is necessary to read between the lines and scavenging in sources independent of the communicational establishment that controls the flows of information in the world, to find the truth about this conflict only so they can detect the real causes of this Assembly, see those who are behind the scenes and move the pieces in this new "Coliseum of reality"which are the means of communication in the world.
How works all?; It first creates a "media reality" which replaces the true and reality on this matrix that has been built with lies and half-truths real political decisions are taken, diplomat and soldier, who end up pretending to be the consensus of the world, when in fact represent the geopolitics of the capitalist powers, for which Africa, that territory believe exploited by members of the aggressor coalitionIt is vital, (in terms of raw materials and energy), the domain of energy are playing, and therefore they are not shame of the brazenness with which you are lying to the world's population; give laughter see the Obama, Clinton, Sarkozi and all the kind of spokespersons of the European elite condoler for the dead and wounded in the confrontation of internal Libya, when they themselves have caused and continue "Just to the side", causing millions of deaths in Adganisthan, Pakistan, Iraq and Palestine; the dead of Libya you more hurt to the West to the dead Irakies or Palestinians, not sound strange this?
With that boldly tear their robes United States and European Governments, when they themselves motivate conspiracies genocides in the four cardinal points of the planet, Libya is a military reconquest of Africa by NATO, in the middle of the inter-capitalist fight that includes China and RussiaIndia and Brazil.
On Gaddafi, you could say that at a stage of his life was an insurgent, revolutionary, but in recent times, became an ally and usual glowingly of the capitalists, and European Government and us, it was forced to make major concessions, policies, military and economic to be accepted by these Governments with drums and cymbals, estimated that the investments are incalculable for the once radical leaderup shareholder of the Italian football team Juventus is Gaddafi, as well as a financier of the election campaigns of Berlusconi and Sarkocy.
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I don't think it is a hoax, but what the medias explain about the reasons of this war it's all fake. This isn't war for democraty and to help some libyans to beat a dictator.... ::)
Libya is one of the country who offer a great technological revolution and some independance to countries of Africa. (Telephony, TV, low cost internet connection, medicine... )
With this point of view, it is understandable that Occident, mainly France who have a lot of interest in Africa, want to beat Ghadafi. Because Occident and France don't want Africa to develop, they want to enslave Africa for mineral resources, oil and implant companies. For exemple, the majority of the economy, telephony, medias, financial activities and mineral resources of Ivory Coast are exploited by french companies.
This is why french air fighters are in Libya with british and some americans. Not for help people against a dictator.
If this is for help, why don't we help Syria ? There are more killed people over there and no french army to help them... >:( Oh, yeah... Syria is not a danger for french and british interests in Africa...
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Whether one believes this war is fake or real, this video sets the record straight on the Colonel and our old friends, the Rothschilds. Imagine, lending money at ZERO percent interest. Giving couples $50,000 when they get married to buy a home. We would all be RICH except for the their thievery....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek&feature=player_embedded#!
Ya gotta love the Colonel!
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afraid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftr0DrpH_oM&feature=player_embedded#!
Interesting that the maker chose to splice in fake Thriller footage into the fake Libya footage. Whose idea was that? A coincidence?
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gwynned, you really believe that propaganda?
Do you know why there is 0% interest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking)
I will give you the credit of not having lived in any Arab country.
The more it is appropriate to research before swallowing youtube.
youtube is not promoting truth but freedom of speech.
Free speech may also mean freedom to lie without any consequences.
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It´s not a hoax! :(
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gwynned, you really believe that propaganda?
Do you know why there is 0% interest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking)
I will give you the credit of not having lived in any Arab country.
The more it is appropriate to research before swallowing youtube.
youtube is not promoting truth but freedom of speech.
Free speech may also mean freedom to lie without any consequences.
I don't understand what you are saying? Are you suggesting the zero percent interest is a lie?
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It´s not a hoax! :(
Proof?
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Celebrate in advance the "post-Qadhafi era"
The oil and mercenary-NATO are prepared to rule Libya
(IAR Noticias) 23-Agosto-2011
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Openly, with impunity granted to them by international complicity, oil companies and bands Libyan mercenaries who work as task force of the coalition land-NATO, and savor a "post-Gaddafi was" in control a collaborationist government in Libya.
Oil companies operating in Libya Before the start of the War Began Preparing for the Challenges Monday to resume production in the country, at a time in the rebel forces Which are closer to take control of the country, adviser on Tuesday The Wall Street Journal.
The actions of Several Italian companies at Libya Exhibiting s, such as Eni and Ansaldo STS, beaten at the Beginning of the popular revolt of the high-pitched country, back Monday with spikes Above 5%, When rebels accessed to Tripoli.
Before the fall of the regime possible of Muammar Gaddafi, the British oil giant BP said on Monday That will return to Libya to continue with STD Programme of farms "when Conditions permit".
A rebel victory Could Pave the Way to replace the production of the country in North Africa, in 2010 Reached 1.8 million barrels per day of oil and Derivatives, According To data from us. howeve, There are still major Obstacles s, such as damage to Infrastructure and the Risk of Instability.
Marathon Oil Corp., headquartered in Houston, have been "preliminary talks" with the rebels on the situation in plants WHERE've Interests, in order to forge a plan to restore production, said a Spokesman for the company.
A Spokesman for BP PLC said on Monday the company WAS That Determined to return to Libya "as soon as Conditions permit", while you have not defined a specific term. Royal Dutch Shell PLC, Total SA and Repsol YPF SA, Also Previously active in Libya , Would not Provide details on when to resume production They Might.
With the largest oil reserves in Africa and Its tested significant role in export markets, The Importance of Libya for the oil industry and Its Future Potential production represents major attraction for international oil companies increasingly Who Have Used to Operate in dangerous Political Conditions Around the World .
Libya have "potential upside," said Lawrence Eagles, analyst of JP Morgan Chase & Co. howeve I added: "There is still a situation in Which no one can say with clarity how" will be the Government. "Basically we Have Before us a blank page ".
Marathon and ConocoPhillips, partners in the Waha field in Libya, said they did not yet have a timetable for the return of workers to the country, where fighting has intensified since early this year between a rebel and Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's regime, and where the battles continued on Monday around Tripoli.
Most of Libya's oil production was closed after the oil companies were forced to withdraw due to conflict and staff the plants are seen caught in the crossfire.
ConocoPhillips said ignoring the extent of damage at the site of Waha, who had previously paid an average production of about 350,000 barrels of equivalent oil per day.
The potential for damage is significant. The bombings have caused great damage and pipelines may be blocked with thick oil after being out of use for months, they said international oil companies and rebels.
Some analysts have compared the situation with Iraq, where it took more than four years to exceed production levels before the US-led invasion in 2003, says the International Energy Agency.
Pairs of Libya in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) have adopted a cautious attitude with regard to conclusions about the restoration of the country's oil industry.
"The situation in Libya remains very uncertain, and the time OPEC will adopt a wait and see," said a delegate of another member of OPEC.
Prepare the government "collaborator"
Meanwhile, French President Nicolas Sarkozy will meet Monday with the executive board chairman of the CNT (the coalition "rebel"), Mahmoud Jibril, who wait "in Paris in the coming days," said French Minister of Foreign Affairs, Alain Juppe.
Jibril Mahmoud studied in the U.S. and graduated in Egypt. He was a member of the Libyan government. led the think-tank 'economic regime until Qaddafi turned his steps to liberalize the economy and resigned. then lived much of his life abroad working as a consultant until his recent return.
President Sarkozy also called for the "coming days" at a meeting of the countries allied with the rebels, who have been recognized by 30 countries as the legitimate authority in Libya.
Seek to design a "roadmap" for the National Transition Council Benghazi, the 37-member secret-to prevent power from falling apart by tribal and religious differences between Sunni, Shia and Bedouins in Libya.
The 20 countries of the contact group be used to support and finance the rebels until now. France, Britain, Italy, USA. UU., Norway, Denmark and Qatar, among others, are now ready to prepare for the day after Libya is not "iraquíce" and make the same mistakes as in Baghdad.
They do not want to see a "Western hand" in the later and the new authorities recommend not to dissolve the police or the army. Abdul Jalil said that the oil and gas licenses will benefit the countries that helped.
British Prime Minister Cameron said the Libyans will be released frozen funds quickly to help in reconstruction.
Cameron and Sarkozy also spoke by telephone on Monday with the leader of the Transitional Council in Benghazi, Abdul Jalil, who had confirmed that "the rebels were under the control of most of Tripoli" but had "pockets of resistance throughout the country" . 'They agreed to respect human rights during the transition process, "said Cameron.
http://www.iarnoticias.com/2011/secciones/africa/0047_libia_petroleras_mercenarios_23agos2011.html
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Conference concludes "Friends of Libya" in Paris
2011-09-02 08: 50 BJT
World leaders and other authorities concluded the meeting on the future of Libya after the overthrow of Muammar Qadhafi. The President of France, Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister David Cameron paid honors to the interim leadership of Libya and set a roadmap for the reconstruction of the country high-pitched
Senior officials from some 60 countries attended the Conference "Friends of Libya" in Paris. The heads of NATO, the UN and the EU were also present at the event
Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, urged the interim leaders to seek reconciliation after deposing Gaddafi and pledged their support to the Transitional Government. With the anxious West to avoid the mistakes made in Iraq, the Conference of "Friends of Libya" focused on the political and economic reconstruction of the country.
The heads of NATO, the UN and the EU were also present at the event. Out of the talks, there was also interest in the lucrative business opportunities to restore and expand the oil sector of Libya as well as its infrastructure.
http://espanol.cntv.cn/20110902/103249.shtml
35% of Libyan oil for France?
AFP Updated on 01/09/2011 at 08:57| Released on 01/09/2011 at 08:57
The National Transitional Council (CNT) Libya has promised to give to France 35% of crude oil from Libya in exchange for recognition of its legitimacy Paris, Liberation reported today . The newspaper reprinted the letter of the CNT, written in Arabic and he said the firm sent the Emir of Qatar, with a copy to the Secretary General of the Arab League. Dated April 3, less than three weeks after the adoption in UN resolution 1973 paving the way for military action of NATO against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi, the document mentions an agreement "giving 35% of total crude oil to the French in exchange for permanent and total support to our Board "according to the translation of Liberation . "I am not aware of the letter, said Alain Juppe, the foreign minister, on RTL , adding ignore the existence of a formal agreement. "What I know, he said, is that the transition board has said very formally, in the reconstruction of Libya, he addressed preferentially to those who supported him. It seems to me quite logical and fair enough. " Until early this year, Libya produced about 1.6 million barrels of oil per day, which ranked 17th largest in the world. But its pumps have fallen sharply in recent months. The country has the largest oil reserves in Africa. ALSO READ: "Libya: countries friendly to the rebels will be rewarded "The new Libya were piled up in Paris 'BLOG - Libya: diplomacy dangerous for Algiers
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/09/01/97001-20110901FILWWW00437-35-du-petrole-libyen-pour-la-france-a.php
As always Happens After the genocide and the theft of the resources of other Countries, the gang of murderers and thieves distribute the cake.
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Libya - Anonymous recognizes Col. Muammar Gaddafi as "leader of the free world"!http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CMUsD3txxeE
Well this pretty much ties it all together.
Note the song by Azeez JACKSON at the end......Qadaffi's like the man in the mirror. I know. Just another coincidence. Just like it's a coincidence that Michael's military look at one time looked like he was emulating Qadaffi.
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In what i am concerned i see anonymous with a certain
mistrust
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The Vultures Moving in on Libya
2011 09 18
From: reuters.com
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From L-R, French philosopher Bernard-Henri-Levy, France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy, National Transitional Council (NTC) Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril, and Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron walk together as they arrive at the Tripoli Medical Center September 15, 2011
UK eases travel recommendations for Libya
From: reuters.com
Britain cleared the way on Thursday for essential travel to the capital Tripoli and a number of other Libyan towns, lifting curbs that had held back businesses seeking to win contracts to rebuild the North Africa country.
The Foreign Office had previously advised against all travel to Libya and recommended that British nationals there leave because of the fighting between supporters and opponents of ousted leader Col. Muammar Gaddafi.
The move should pave the way for British businesses to start to move back into Libya. Contractors had been unwilling to defy travel restrictions and there had been fears that Britain could miss out on deals were the restrictions to persist.
The announcement coincided with a visit to Libya by Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Foreign Secretary William Hague said in a statement he had decided to ease the travel recommendations in light of the improving security situation in the country, where interim government forces are besieging the last bastions of support for Gaddafi.
The Foreign Office said essential travel to Zuwara, Zawiyah, Tripoli, al Khums, Zlitan, Misrata, and the coastal towns from Ras Lanuf to the Egyptian border, including Benghazi, was now possible but it continued to advise against all travel to all other areas of Libya.
Source: reuters.com
Libya: to King Sarkozy, the spoils
By Pepe Escobar | atimes.com
Move over, Lawrence of Arabia. The Great Gallic Liberator of Libya (and any other gullible Arab in sight), neo-Napoleonic French President Nicolas Sarkozy, along with his sidekick British Prime Minister David of Arabia Cameron, gallantly strode into a cordoned off military airport in Tripoli to sing La Vie en Rose by the Mediterranean, thus celebrating the success of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s long bombing of Libya into "democracy".
Tagging along for the photo-op was insufferable self-promoter and self-described "new philosopher" Bernard-Henri Levy, he of the perennially revealing torso under a neatly pressed white shirt, and he of the notorious phone call from Benghazi who "sold" a war to the beleaguered Gallic Liberator (as if King Sarko would refuse any push to enlarge his grandeur).
No need to hold the Imperial Rome metaphors - from "victory lap" to "laurels" and the inevitable "to the victor the spoils" (of war), because that’s exactly what this was.
King Sarko and Little Dave may not look like the lovely lady from Angola who’s just been crowned Miss Universe - but they couldn’t be in fuller "feel free to bask in my glow" mode. A victory lap in the periphery of empire - even if you’re just a lowly proconsul - certainly beats being mercilessly crushed by Europe’s economic debacle.
To the sound of Apache helicopters patrolling the Mediterranean, and escorted by dozens of riot police, King Sarko felt the need to tell an unsuspecting world, "What we did was for humanitarian reasons. There was no hidden agenda."
But just in case - and with Tripoli’s top two hotels swarming with multilingual contractors/vultures - the chairman of the dodgy Transitional National Council (TNC), Mustafa Abdul Jalil, had to spell out the agenda: "allies and friends" would "have priority within a framework of transparency" in sharing the loot. So many juicy oil and gas (and water and uranium and reconstruction) contracts to bag, so little time.
Echoing King Sarko, Little Dave bombastically proclaimed, "the Arab spring could become an Arab summer". That’s code for NATO ready to bomb more dictators to oblivion - as long as there are any opportunist "rebels" willing to call the (European) cavalry by exhibiting "pro-democracy" credentials, fake or otherwise.
King Sarko even outlined the next chapter: the road to Damascus. Dear Bashar, time to start booking that one-way ticket.
Somalia rules
The King Sarko/Little Dave lightning Tripoli tour was carefully timed to upstage the visit by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Yet as far as the soul of the Arab Spring - Egypt - is concerned, Recep is the man, not the Anglo-French NATO bombers.
And to think that just yesterday British and French intelligence were so happy in bed with Gaddafi’s security apparatus. Such a pity that Little Dave did not enjoy some quality time with Tripoli military commander Abdelhakim Belhaj - former emir of the Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), former al-Qaeda asset, former CIA torturee but (good for him) eternal Gaddafi foe.
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