Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Talk => Topic started by: Guest on February 18, 2011, 11:50:12 AM
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HELLO I AM NEW IN THE FORUM. I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF MICHAEL FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. AND I WISH THE BEST TO HIS FAMILY.
FOR ME THE GREATEST TEST THAT HE STILL LIVES IN THIS VIDEO IS WHICH KATHERINE DAY AND A HALF AFTER THE DEATH OF HER SON, WITH ONLY 50 YEARS, AS A WAY OF MAKING A SURPRISE AND LEAVING HIS 3 CHILDREN ORPHANS, IS DEAD. THIS PEACE IN HER FACE, LOOKING FOR PRICE FOR SLEEPING BAGS .. VERY QUIET....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6aU_vAtw-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6aU_vAtw-Q)
I HAVE FOLLOWED KATHERINE IN ALL AND THAT IS ... ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE... TWO DAYS AFTER HER CHILD HAS DIED, SO THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE.....
ANY mother would go to bed with medication. AND KATHERINE LOVES HER CHILDREN.
WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS ONE DAY AND A HALF AFTER JUNE 25¡¡¡ ... WITH TOTAL SECURITY Michael is alive.
THAT MEANS THAT SHE HAD TO BE TWO DAYS NON-STOP CRYING AND FACE SAYS IT ALL.
kHATERINE WOULD BE BROKEN IF MICHAEL REALLY BE DEAD... I am completely convinced ... MICHAEL LIVES.
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I thought it weird at the time, she was out the next day shopping, when we know she could've sent anyone else to do it. Then I also thought, why sleeping bags? Surely they had beds, or blankets, or couches. Were they camping?
But, now I have a different thought. I'm thinking this was more spontaneous. Like she wasn't prepared. As though the date for Michael to leave wasn't known. Maybe they rushed him out. Maybe they thwarted something bad. She wouldn't need to go get anything if it was planned. I'm putting myself in her place and I think...I'd probably just throw up my hands and say "I'll do it myself" I'm getting out of here a little bit". Notice her sorta angry face. Not sad, but tight lips. Now days she seems to me more talkative, then, nothing. No teary face.
Makes me wonder about the planning of all this hoax. Makes me wonder if again, there wasn't someone else there, dying, and they did, hence she was caught unprepared. As we know the family wasn't that close to Michael, maybe this was all thrust upon her and she didn't really want it. Maybe it came too close to lying for her.
Just me speculating again, as we all do...
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Nothing wrong with going out shopping after the death of a close loved one. Everyone does his own thing, and because you don't think its right doesn't make it not for some. Get real.
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I'm not judging khaterine ... because I love her... I just know that if someone here is a mother, like myself, is not only someone close .... OMG¡¡¡ it is a son ¡¡¡ ... and it is impossible for a mother is by this way after the death of a son .. IMPOSIBLE.
No is the fact that leave to buy, is his face and quiet.
If a mother survives his child, is devastated. Khaterine is not... because his son is still alive.
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I agree with you Rachel.
and guest...can you please voice YOUR opinion as I and others have without the rudeness of "get real".
Just because you don't agree with us, don't make our opinion not a thought.
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I am a mother and it is possible. Don't you remember MJ's children were brought over to stay at Katherine's house after his death. Maybe they wanted to camp outside? We don't know the circumstances and its ridiculous to even speculate.
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I'm just speculating ... but my opinion is that the June 25 Michael went to protect his lives (and his childs life...) because they tried to assassinate him and he is protected in some way and then Khaterine and family, decided to be comforting his children by a camping or somenthing like that, u know... But I really feel in my heart that Michael did not die that day. Michael leaves his family to protect their lives and himself.
Love u all
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It is true, and that precisely khaterine do that, when they have employees that very well what can do. The video of Khaterine shopping was done with all the intention.
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It is true, and that precisely khaterine do that, when they have employees that very well what can do. The video of Khaterine shopping was done with all the intention.
well, your eyes don't lie, the media do.
look in the mirror and you will see what you have to see.
:geek: the intention is sooo obvious.
They wanted to show us the absurdity of the situation:
An old mother that has lost his beloved worldwide famous son has a necessity to buy many! sleeping bags in ordinary store in front of all papparazzi instead of grieving and mourning the lost at home, instead of sending bodyguards, friends etc to do this insted of herself...
have you noticed that she is walking slowly and slowly..an ordinary day for her!
MICHAEL IS ALIVE, your are right, Rachel!
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For me it's the best of all tests. The best. I have no doubt. Because I could hear Khaterine in each and every one of her interviews, and I would like all to see if you have not done.
First, Khaterine has maintained a daily relationship with Michael, and even more so living so close, please pay no attention to rumors that they did not. That's not true.
Secondly, we do not need to know about psychology to realize that Khaterine would do anything for her children, and she adores her son as any mother.
For this reason, I think Michael on June 25 had to leave.
Michael was ahead of his death. I know that. He sought help from the government, and somehow, I hope we know some day, had to leave leaving his children alone with his mother and family. So Paris said "would not be able to do this without you "and Khaterine in the interview with Oprah is excited not by the fact that Michael had died, but because Michael had to leave, probably in a hurry, because he was being attacked or threatened. Furthermore I believe that behind every one of the words uttered Khaterine in the interview with Oprah, are delivered by Michael himself.
The family is excited at times, just because they know EVERYTHING that is behind all the threats he had and for all that are riding to protect: PRETEND YOU HAVE A DEATH OF A SON, A BROTHER, A FATHER to protect him. Imagine the place of them all.
Do not know if it shopping was intentional that output to purchase Khaterine day, I think not, but it did. She stayed with the children and their cousins did not want to leave alone when Michael had to go. And maybe she was not expecting to meet with the paparazzi.
If Michael had died she would be devastated. Devastated.
Of that I am completely safe.
Michael lives is a reality
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Rachel, it has passed the mind of some that Michael may be was in danger, but don´t you think that if that is the reality the whole situation would have been "less commercial"?
It is not very credible that MJ is dead. The funeral was totally staged, like a movie and the family has been very ambiguous since day one.
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Or...
Maybe it is just simply a MOVIE! Maybe it it just US who search for reasons. Maybe he is doing what he planned alright, making a movie, involving the world, us. Maybe WE invent all the scenarios. Perhaps he's reading all our ideas and reasons for leaving, sitting in some control room before a camera and laughing. Maybe all the world's reactions, plots, schemes are the movie. How he can control just as much as the media. Look, that's what he wanted to do, and as a result look at us...look at the world, still hanging onto anything, any clue he puts our for reactions. TMZ. Court. Ads. You name it. We try to decide what it means, and the world is out for justice.
Just again..a thought.
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Nothing wrong with going out shopping after the death of a close loved one. Everyone does his own thing, and because you don't think its right doesn't make it not for some. Get real.
Reading your first sentence I thought you were joking... Nothing wrong with going shopping after the death of a close loved one? Yeah, if you consider it alright to either be cold or mentally disturbed, then there's nothing wrong with it at all.
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Rachel, I agree with what you said. I haven't seen a drop of devastation from this mother who lost her son, have we ever seen, at least, a tissue be used??? maybe?
Good grief, to this day, I can easily tear up when I see or hear something about MJ,
after 19 months and this still happens to me?
BTW.... I liked her purple and yellow blouse :lol:
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I know that each person grieves in their own way. And had it been just anybody's mother, ok, maybe I would buy it, but I would still find it odd. But, Katherine is the mother of the King of Pop, one of the most famous people in the world. And, I believe that she would know that she would be followed into the store by the paps and it would be "breaking news."...at least on TMZ. So, just like so many other things, this one just doesn't add up. :?
Now, I wouldn't say that Katherine has never looked sad and full of anquish. But, I believe when she does, she is not thinking about Michael "dead", but more like, when will she see him again and is he alright.
Thanks for sharing this Rachel. It's been a while since we discussed this.
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I know that each person grieves in their own way
Or differently ...
Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.
It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.
So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
Not in public anyway.
So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.
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Rachel u're so right, this is one of the best evidences for me that MJ is alive, i know people cope with grief differently but being such a carrying and loving mother as Mrs Katherine is, i don't think she would be able to go shopping 1 day after her son's "death", it's impossible.
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I know many of the family have said that the Jacksons did not cry.
And I believe that. But that's not the point.
See the face of Khaterine.. her face is absolutely calm, she is looking at the price tags of sleeping bags, her gestures, her movements. Do you think that face on Khaterine would when just the day before she saw Michael lying on a stretcher cold? Impossible.
She reminds me of my mother, and I assure you that if Michael had died, she would be devastated crying in private with her family and would most likely be sedated to ease the pain.
In this case, is a son. A son who was still young with only 50 years, a son who has 3 children still young people who allegedly left orphans. It is devastating and even more so as a loving mother as she is. Like most mothers.
Even more I would say, is that the first day of the death of a son you can be in shock, but for a mother not think so, because only wonder why her son and not she has to die; but the day after is worse because it is more aware of what happened. And yet, if she had cried the death of her son in private with his family, cried seas, her face would be swollen, decomposed, because mourn the death of a son is the worst that can happen to a mother.
She said "If they told me you were dead , it would kill me".
She did not expect the paparazzi there. Even some of them tell her they feel her loss she does not answer. When she is always friendly and even not a shy "thank you. "
Oh God¡ It is so clear...This is not a shopping spree for example with one of her daughters or one of her children grabbed her arm.
Clearly, her son had not died.
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it is all one big puzzle isn't it?
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This was disgussed many times. And I personally have been saying many many times this shopping video is one of the biggest clues that Michael is alive and it was done intentionally w/someone who recorded and placed on youtube for us. For normal mother, it is NOT possible to shopping on the 3rd day of child's death.Here, we are talking about worldwide known big star's "death" and mother should think that it would have looked looked very weird for the world that 80 years old mother went do shopping whereas she could sent anybody to buy slippers that all of a sudden were so needed in that chaos and tragedy days.
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it is all one big puzzle isn't it?
Too big :lol:
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I thought it weird at the time, she was out the next day shopping, when we know she could've sent anyone else to do it. Then I also thought, why sleeping bags? Surely they had beds, or blankets, or couches. Were they camping?
But, now I have a different thought. I'm thinking this was more spontaneous. Like she wasn't prepared. As though the date for Michael to leave wasn't known. Maybe they rushed him out. Maybe they thwarted something bad. She wouldn't need to go get anything if it was planned. I'm putting myself in her place and I think...I'd probably just throw up my hands and say "I'll do it myself" I'm getting out of here a little bit". Notice her sorta angry face. Not sad, but tight lips. Now days she seems to me more talkative, then, nothing. No teary face.
Makes me wonder about the planning of all this hoax. Makes me wonder if again, there wasn't someone else there, dying, and they did, hence she was caught unprepared. As we know the family wasn't that close to Michael, maybe this was all thrust upon her and she didn't really want it. Maybe it came too close to lying for her.
Just me speculating again, as we all do...
I agree with you, Katherine had body guards, why didn't she send the bodyguards buy sleeping bags.. You do not need to have a bachelors degree to buy sleeping bags.. :lol: You can see them in youtube with Katherine. I am a mother of 2 and if my son had passed away there will be no way in hell I will go out to buy sleeping bags.
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I agree with you, Katherine had body guards, why didn't she send the bodyguards buy sleeping bags.. You do not need to have a bachelors degree to buy sleeping bags.. :lol: You can see them in youtube with Katherine. I am a mother of 2 and if my son had passed away there will be no way in hell I will go out to buy sleeping bags.
Mebbe she wanted to get away from the hoards of people both inside and outside of her house....and following her everywhere...
You know the creed for a lot of women....
When in doubt GO SHOPPING.
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I agree with you, Katherine had body guards, why didn't she send the bodyguards buy sleeping bags.. You do not need to have a bachelors degree to buy sleeping bags.. :lol: You can see them in youtube with Katherine. I am a mother of 2 and if my son had passed away there will be no way in hell I will go out to buy sleeping bags.
Mebbe she wanted to get away from the hoards of people both inside and outside of her house....and following her everywhere...
You know the creed for a lot of women....
When in doubt GO SHOPPING.
This would be great for a normal woman that is not in the spot light. She is in the spotlight, you have all this in your hands, bodyguards let them go buy the sleeping bags. This is another clue telling us that Michael did not die. I for one wouldn't be able to go shopping if i had a son who just died.
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Rachel u're so right, this is one of the best evidences for me that MJ is alive, i know people cope with grief differently but being such a carrying and loving mother as Mrs Katherine is, i don't think she would be able to go shopping 1 day after her son's "death", it's impossible.
Totally agree with you. I was shocked when I first heard about it. And the kids wanted to do camping! No way for them to do camping just a day after they lost their daddy. I can not even imagine that they would want to do camping after a sudden "death" like Michael's.
P.S:Welcome to the forum Rachel. Hope you enjoy it here. :)
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Oh, if the death were real...first they are at the hospital...at some point they had to go back to Hayvenhurst and sleep. Next day, gramma shops. All the arrangement confusion, press there, people at the gates..phone calls, people coming from far away, kids crying. And, go camping? How'd that even come up?
I thought then immediately, Michael is waiting someplace and they are in seclusion...cabin?? I mean, one of the sisters DID go in Carolwood and get pillows!!!
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Rachel u're so right, this is one of the best evidences for me that MJ is alive, i know people cope with grief differently but being such a carrying and loving mother as Mrs Katherine is, i don't think she would be able to go shopping 1 day after her son's "death", it's impossible.
Totally agree with you. I was shocked when I first heard about it. And the kids wanted to do camping! No way for them to do camping just a day after they lost their daddy. I can not even imagine that they would want to do camping after a sudden "death" like Michael's.
P.S:Welcome to the forum Rachel. Hope you enjoy it here. :)
actually isn't it maybe kind of symbolic that she bought sleeping bags. didn't michael say about when the kid's would sleep at his house that he slept on the floor in a sleeping bag. are we supposed to be reminded about the idea of giving up your bed? she is maybe showing this as tradition.
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I know that each person grieves in their own way
Or differently ...
Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.
It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.
So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
Not in public anyway.
So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.
^Yeah that. When I come to think of it, if Michael really is gone, my heart really bleeds a bit more for Mrs. Jackson because she never seem to have had the chance to grieve on her own. This due to the fact that she has to stay strong for Michael's children. If sleeping bags were needed for the kids she'd simply go and get them, that's how I see it. Having to stay composed for the sake of the children is not a new phenomenon is it? I mainly ask those that have kids that question cuz I don't have any myself but I've witnesses this protectiveness many times (my dear mum for example). Being a "Jackson", who've probably gotten used to fighting through things, makes this shopping event even less questionable (if there even is anything to question about it) imo.
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I know that each person grieves in their own way
Or differently ...
Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.
It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.
So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
Not in public anyway.
So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.
^Yeah that. When I come to think of it, if Michael really is gone, my heart really bleeds a bit more for Mrs. Jackson because she never seem to have had the chance to grieve on her own. This due to the fact that she has to stay strong for Michael's children. If sleeping bags were needed for the kids she'd simply go and get them, that's how I see it. Having to stay composed for the sake of the children is not a new phenomenon is it? I mainly ask those that have kids that question cuz I don't have any myself but I've witnesses this protectiveness many times (my dear mum for example). Being a "Jackson", who've probably gotten used to fighting through things, makes this shopping event even less questionable (if there even is anything to question about it) imo.
"alovesmichael
I wrote a thread earlier, that I have 2 sons, one of 24 yrs old and the other of 22 yrs old. God forbid if I would lose one son, I will not be able to go shopping the next day to buy anything, not even black clothing for the funeral. Katherine is a very well known person because of her son, obviously they would go after her in the store paparazzis are everywhere. She had people who could have done this for her, she did not need to go on her own. I for another hand am not a celebraty so no one will see what I am doing. Than if you are all alone you have anyone in your life to help you than i would understand, why she went on her own. She has all the help in the world.. This is my opinion. Michael is not dead..
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I know that each person grieves in their own way
"alovesmichael
I wrote a thread earlier, that I have 2 sons, one of 24 yrs old and the other of 22 yrs old. God forbid if I would lose one son, I will not be able to go shopping the next day to buy anything, not even black clothing for the funeral. Katherine is a very well known person because of her son, obviously they would go after her in the store paparazzis are everywhere. She had people who could have done this for her, she did not need to go on her own. I for another hand am not a celebraty so no one will see what I am doing. Than if you are all alone you have anyone in your life to help you than i would understand, why she went on her own. She has all the help in the world.. This is my opinion. Michael is not dead..
That's what I am talking about.......I too have 21 y.old son :D ....no way to go shopping for aything. God Bless all everybody's kids! She should be in hardly alive condition, not that dress and go outside. Unless she is that indifferent, heartless, crazy woman, but we know she isn't. On the other hand her lawsuit for wrongful deah againts AEG does not add up . It is like ongoing controversial puzzles, go and figure. :?
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all4loveandbelieve wrote:
alovesmichael wrote:
RunFaYaLife wrote:
I know that each person grieves in their own way
Or differently ...
Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.
It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.
So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
Not in public anyway.
So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.
^Yeah that. When I come to think of it, if Michael really is gone, my heart really bleeds a bit more for Mrs. Jackson because she never seem to have had the chance to grieve on her own. This due to the fact that she has to stay strong for Michael's children. If sleeping bags were needed for the kids she'd simply go and get them, that's how I see it. Having to stay composed for the sake of the children is not a new phenomenon is it? I mainly ask those that have kids that question cuz I don't have any myself but I've witnesses this protectiveness many times (my dear mum for example). Being a "Jackson", who've probably gotten used to fighting through things, makes this shopping event even less questionable (if there even is anything to question about it) imo.
"alovesmichael
I wrote a thread earlier, that I have 2 sons, one of 24 yrs old and the other of 22 yrs old. God forbid if I would lose one son, I will not be able to go shopping the next day to buy anything, not even black clothing for the funeral. Katherine is a very well known person because of her son, obviously they would go after her in the store paparazzis are everywhere. She had people who could have done this for her, she did not need to go on her own. I for another hand am not a celebraty so no one will see what I am doing. Than if you are all alone you have anyone in your life to help you than i would understand, why she went on her own. She has all the help in the world.. This is my opinion. Michael is not dead..
Of agreement and in a time of tragedy, where it was supposed to your child was nothing more and nothing less than assassinated
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For me this was such a big clue, I just can't imagine why she went shopping so shortly afther Michael's "dead". I makes no sense at all.
I'm glad the video is back, because TMZ removed it.
It was 27th of June.
TMZ reported it on the 28th en spoke about yesterday, so it was the 27th.
Here's the link to the TMZ article, but they removed the video.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/katherine ... t-target/5 (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/katherine-jackson-shops-at-target/5)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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I know that each person grieves in their own way
Or differently ...
Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.
It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.
So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
Not in public anyway.
So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.
^Yeah that. When I come to think of it, if Michael really is gone, my heart really bleeds a bit more for Mrs. Jackson because she never seem to have had the chance to grieve on her own. This due to the fact that she has to stay strong for Michael's children. If sleeping bags were needed for the kids she'd simply go and get them, that's how I see it. Having to stay composed for the sake of the children is not a new phenomenon is it? I mainly ask those that have kids that question cuz I don't have any myself but I've witnesses this protectiveness many times (my dear mum for example). Being a "Jackson", who've probably gotten used to fighting through things, makes this shopping event even less questionable (if there even is anything to question about it) imo.
"alovesmichael
I wrote a thread earlier, that I have 2 sons, one of 24 yrs old and the other of 22 yrs old. God forbid if I would lose one son, I will not be able to go shopping the next day to buy anything, not even black clothing for the funeral. Katherine is a very well known person because of her son, obviously they would go after her in the store paparazzis are everywhere. She had people who could have done this for her, she did not need to go on her own. I for another hand am not a celebraty so no one will see what I am doing. Than if you are all alone you have anyone in your life to help you than i would understand, why she went on her own. She has all the help in the world.. This is my opinion. Michael is not dead..
Totally agree with you all4loveandbelieve. The sudden death of his son would have devastated her so badly. She could no way get out shopping the next day. And she doesn't look sad in the video of her shopping. I remember I read something about the camping that Michael and kids went to camping to a lake that I can not remember the name of it right now. So the shopping was for MJ and the kids. :D
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Here is the video. Watch Katherine who demonstrates "NOTHING HAPPENED" appearance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMTbODVE5R8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMTbODVE5R8)
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For me it's the best of all tests. And whenever I have doubts I think at this time. It is very clear that her son no died two days earlier. It is impossible. Oh God, is impossible. Perhaps do we need any more proof that Michael is still alive?
She is a normal mother, and if his son had died two days earlier, would be devastated. Most likely at home with his family, and her face would certainly not have right now that we see.
Any mother would be sedated to handle the sadness.
And you have to think that Michael did not have a long and fatal illness after which his family knew what was coming, and everyone expected it to happen. But still, Khaterine would not be so, so quiet.
Michael was supposed to be young, with 3 children.
It is a tragedy for any family. Also because the death of a child is even more devastating if he dies without anyone expecting it.
But what are we talking about?¡¡¡ Who does not see this is blind. No need to explain more is absolutely clear: Michael did not die.
It is not just the fact that she comes out. But here we are not seeing her holding out the arm of one of her sons with her head down, and hiding her face. On the contrary it has no face to have been crying or suffering in unimaginable to her family, she is looking labels, she grabs the bag, like any other day of his life. Do we need more evidence than this?
I wish I knew what really happened. I think she did not expect there to the paparazzi. She said on Oprah that made a camp, and it seems to me to justify just that we see in that video.
Surely it is true they made a camp for children and their cousins, but not comforted by the death of his father, but because I am convinced that Michael is gone and safe guarded to protect his life and his family.
They were sad because they did not see Michael in a while (who knows if they have not already done so), but not because he died.
If Michael had died, Khaterine would die.
Oh God is more than evident.
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I think that the video where Kathering is shopping sleeping bags was recordered before June 25th 2009
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Paparazzi tell her to feel her loss
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I think that the video where Kathering is shopping sleeping bags was recordered before June 25th 2009
Well, if that's true we're speculating in vain...
I see what you are all saying but I still believe one can't judge other people's actions by comparing them to how oneself would go about it, idk. I totally agree on what you're saying but I can't limit the possible scenarios because of how I would feel. And as someone mentioned above, what's up with Mrs. Jackson sueing then?
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I see what you are all saying but I still believe one can't judge other people's actions by comparing them to how oneself would go about it, idk.
Totally agree.
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Nothing wrong with going out shopping after the death of a close loved one. Everyone does his own thing, and because you don't think its right doesn't make it not for some. Get real.
Reading your first sentence I thought you were joking... Nothing wrong with going shopping after the death of a close loved one? Yeah, if you consider it alright to either be cold or mentally disturbed, then there's nothing wrong with it at all.
I don't agree about what kind of reverence should be applied. It does not change the world that and how one soul is mourning. Mourning varies such as living and individuals just do it differently.
We had to lay our brother and husband to rest last summer. I went to a flee market after the ceremony. I enjoyed this very much. I had my brother in my heart strolling with me, wondering, smiling and it was just a very deep experience. I cried my eyes out at home.
As to Katherine, I would think she is a VERY strong personality. I admire her standing a lot despite I don't know her at all. She's a lady who knows exactly what the public should see and what belongs behind the walls of her private room. I never doubted a second that the Jackson family was in absolute control of what they wanted the public to see and hear.
I think there is no "should be like that" rule when it comes to mourning and celebrating a deceased one's life. Sometimes the honor can be to involve the person into one's life again, somethimes the honor can be to finally let go of the life of the deceased one.
It depends on several circumstances I'd say.
Btw. this is a very colourful and beautiful reverence summarizing the character and achievements of a deceased person in Ghana, Africa:
[youtube:5et3zsx4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4g2wGNGB1s[/youtube:5et3zsx4]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4g2wGNGB1s
Death is a taboo in developped countries and our century only.
(That's why MJ's "death" could shatter so many souls.)
In other regions of the planet, death may cause a huge party.
It's all about personal beliefs and religious and cultural differences...
And in that sense, I was happy that my bro had come to complete peace now and had no more pains to endure and that made me happy for him and calm so that I could enjoy taking him with me on a flee market. Does that make any sense?
Given Katherine's strong JW belief, I cannot imagine that she would be giving herself away in public. The convincing part for me was that the paparazzi video was produced and commercialized as such, not Katherine being in the public's eye while shopping.
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About the trial 2005, this woman is sad and affected
[youtube:14xkr5ja]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NwitWF5FLE&feature=related[/youtube:14xkr5ja]
From minute 3:00, she also look sad
[youtube:14xkr5ja]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yps8r7d6DUU&feature=related[/youtube:14xkr5ja]
What I get "looking beyond" is that MJ, during of after the trial 2005, could have been very depressed and contemplating suicide.
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Right Gema, and my interpretation of Katherine's moving expressions of sad feelings was, that she as a mom suffered for her son for what he had to go through to get justice and not that she was mourning an actual death situation.
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Right Gema, and my interpretation of Katherine's moving expressions of sad feelings was, that she as a mom suffered for her son for what he had to go through to get justice and not that she was mourning an actual death situation.
Same thoughts here :)
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I was shocked when I saw the pictures of Katherine shopping, NOT because Katherine is shopping, but because the paparazzi voltures were there already shooting pics. OMG what does it matter if Katherine is buying sleeping bags, hiking gear, a pasta pan, nail polish or whatever! Even when it's a few days after Michael's "death", it's HER thing, she's coping with it, whether she's grieving, worrying or feeling ok because Michael is ok.
I admire Katherine and I love her. She's been through so much and I believe she is a very dedicated mother, who's doing everything for Michael, even acting, after all he's been through. I think the Murray trial brings up sad and hurtful memories for her and not only for Katherine :(
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I think that the video where Kathering is shopping sleeping bags was recordered before June 25th 2009
No I don't think it was, because the paps from TMZ were talking to her about being sorry about Michael's death....
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For me it's the best of all tests. And whenever I have doubts I think at this time. It is very clear that her son no died two days earlier. It is impossible. Oh God, is impossible. Perhaps do we need any more proof that Michael is still alive?
She is a normal mother, and if his son had died two days earlier, would be devastated. Most likely at home with his family, and her face would certainly not have right now that we see.
Any mother would be sedated to handle the sadness.
And you have to think that Michael did not have a long and fatal illness after which his family knew what was coming, and everyone expected it to happen. But still, Khaterine would not be so, so quiet.
Michael was supposed to be young, with 3 children.
It is a tragedy for any family. Also because the death of a child is even more devastating if he dies without anyone expecting it.
But what are we talking about?¡¡¡ Who does not see this is blind. No need to explain more is absolutely clear: Michael did not die.
It is not just the fact that she comes out. But here we are not seeing her holding out the arm of one of her sons with her head down, and hiding her face. On the contrary it has no face to have been crying or suffering in unimaginable to her family, she is looking labels, she grabs the bag, like any other day of his life. Do we need more evidence than this?
I wish I knew what really happened. I think she did not expect there to the paparazzi. She said on Oprah that made a camp, and it seems to me to justify just that we see in that video.
Surely it is true they made a camp for children and their cousins, but not comforted by the death of his father, but because I am convinced that Michael is gone and safe guarded to protect his life and his family.
They were sad because they did not see Michael in a while (who knows if they have not already done so), but not because he died.
If Michael had died, Khaterine would die.
Oh God is more than evident.
Rachel, think about this...
The day of the "death" scene, the news and paps, media where camped up and down on Hayvenhurst Ave. The next day also, as we saw Joe out there talking to them. Inside the house, you know they were looking out at the paps, prob. telling the kids to get out of the windows..lol. Katherine KNEW they were out there, how couldn't she? The family were essentially prisoners in their home at that time. She knew she'd be followed, and she was, that 's how they knew she was there. They followed her out of the driveway!
The reasons they wanted her watched though is what I wonder about. I think in the beginning of this Katherine didn't want to do it. She seemed slightly angry to me anyhow. She is 80. Taking on this role, her not being an actress, and plus all the attention that she'd avoided for 40 years, was now upon her and her home and life. She was a key player and still is. She looked very..well, just more perturbed, not even at the paps...but like she wanted to just say I don't want to do all this. She didn't look sad, or hurt, or as if she even was MAD because of Murray. Just like I don't want to play in this show. But, she, I 'm thinking, followed Michael, loving him, and protecting him, and knows the reasons and the outcome. (and now, money trail...)
I am positive she knew about the paps to say the least.
OH!! I'm wondering, WHERE did the kids GO camping?? If it was in their yard, helicopters were overhead for days taking pics remember?? If it was out of the compound, they'd have been followed by the paps and press camping out there just like Katherine was. What? Did they camp in the house???? REALLY, I think these "stories" are simply clues we take at just face value. Reason, it don't make sense, they couldn't have gone camping, they couldn't leave the house for the media was living outside.
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Nothing wrong with going out shopping after the death of a close loved one. Everyone does his own thing, and because you don't think its right doesn't make it not for some. Get real.
Reading your first sentence I thought you were joking... Nothing wrong with going shopping after the death of a close loved one? Yeah, if you consider it alright to either be cold or mentally disturbed, then there's nothing wrong with it at all.
I don't agree about what kind of reverence should be applied. It does not change the world that and how one soul is mourning. Mourning varies such as living and individuals just do it differently.
We had to lay our brother and husband to rest last summer. I went to a flee market after the ceremony. I enjoyed this very much. I had my brother in my heart strolling with me, wondering, smiling and it was just a very deep experience. I cried my eyes out at home.
As to Katherine, I would think she is a VERY strong personality. I admire her standing a lot despite I don't know her at all. She's a lady who knows exactly what the public should see and what belongs behind the walls of her private room. I never doubted a second that the Jackson family was in absolute control of what they wanted the public to see and hear.
I think there is no "should be like that" rule when it comes to mourning and celebrating a deceased one's life. Sometimes the honor can be to involve the person into one's life again, somethimes the honor can be to finally let go of the life of the deceased one.
It depends on several circumstances I'd say.
Btw. this is a very colourful and beautiful reverence summarizing the character and achievements of a deceased person in Ghana, Africa:
[youtube:22nm1mzd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4g2wGNGB1s[/youtube:22nm1mzd]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4g2wGNGB1s
Death is a taboo in developped countries and our century only.
(That's why MJ's "death" could shatter so many souls.)
In other regions of the planet, death may cause a huge party.
It's all about personal beliefs and religious and cultural differences...
And in that sense, I was happy that my bro had come to complete peace now and had no more pains to endure and that made me happy for him and calm so that I could enjoy taking him with me on a flee market. Does that make any sense?
Given Katherine's strong JW belief, I cannot imagine that she would be giving herself away in public. The convincing part for me was that the paparazzi video was produced and commercialized as such, not Katherine being in the public's eye while shopping.
BUT...everyone in the family reacted as Katherine. NO one cried ever. Not Joe even and he is NOT Katherine nor does he have her faith. Especially Michael's children!!! Kids cannot stop tears...that tells a lot. I think that had this all been true, Katherine would've turned to the witnesses and her children to cry. But, her children, and MIchael's?? There would've been GRIEF upon the faces..not smiles, laughing....camping...JMO
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I was shocked when I saw the pictures of Katherine shopping, NOT because Katherine is shopping, but because the paparazzi voltures were there already shooting pics. OMG what does it matter if Katherine is buying sleeping bags, hiking gear, a pasta pan, nail polish or whatever! Even when it's a few days after Michael's "death", it's HER thing, she's coping with it, whether she's grieving, worrying or feeling ok because Michael is ok.
I admire Katherine and I love her. She's been through so much and I believe she is a very dedicated mother, who's doing everything for Michael, even acting, after all he's been through. I think the Murray trial brings up sad and hurtful memories for her and not only for Katherine :(
She was followed there, right out of her driveway where the paps were camped out...remember?
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We all have our opinions and my opinion is that people see what they WANT to see.
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it is all one big puzzle isn't it?
Too big :lol:
I think it's bigger than anyone ever thought it would be. MJ's alive. There are a lot of clues letting his fans know that he's still with us.
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I think that the video where Kathering is shopping sleeping bags was recordered before June 25th 2009
No I don't think it was, because the paps from TMZ were talking to her about being sorry about Michael's death....
Right, but still I think it is an staged video recordered before June 25th, like a must have video.
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We all have our opinions and my opinion is that people see what they WANT to see.
Yes, many times people do just that. The difference is that some are aware of that fact, some less aware...
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I was shocked when I saw the pictures of Katherine shopping, NOT because Katherine is shopping, but because the paparazzi voltures were there already shooting pics. OMG what does it matter if Katherine is buying sleeping bags, hiking gear, a pasta pan, nail polish or whatever! Even when it's a few days after Michael's "death", it's HER thing, she's coping with it, whether she's grieving, worrying or feeling ok because Michael is ok.
I admire Katherine and I love her. She's been through so much and I believe she is a very dedicated mother, who's doing everything for Michael, even acting, after all he's been through. I think the Murray trial brings up sad and hurtful memories for her and not only for Katherine :(
She was followed there, right out of her driveway where the paps were camped out...remember?
Yes I remember and that made it even worse that these voltures are following Katherine & the family everywhere ! And yes I know that paparazzi is a part of their lives. Katherine was undoubtably aware that she was followed by the paparazzi and buying the sleepingbags could be a part of a plan or confusing the paps or whatever. I was just expressing my anger about the respectless paparazzi :x
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I was shocked when I saw the pictures of Katherine shopping, NOT because Katherine is shopping, but because the paparazzi voltures were there already shooting pics. OMG what does it matter if Katherine is buying sleeping bags, hiking gear, a pasta pan, nail polish or whatever! Even when it's a few days after Michael's "death", it's HER thing, she's coping with it, whether she's grieving, worrying or feeling ok because Michael is ok.
I admire Katherine and I love her. She's been through so much and I believe she is a very dedicated mother, who's doing everything for Michael, even acting, after all he's been through. I think the Murray trial brings up sad and hurtful memories for her and not only for Katherine :(
She was followed there, right out of her driveway where the paps were camped out...remember?
Yes I remember and that made it even worse that these voltures are following Katherine & the family everywhere ! And yes I know that paparazzi is a part of their lives. Katherine was undoubtably aware that she was followed by the paparazzi and buying the sleepingbags could be a part of a plan or confusing the paps or whatever. I was just expressing my anger about the respectless paparazzi :x
I didn't seem angry or rude did I???? I'm NOT...sorry :))))))
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We all have our opinions and my opinion is that people see what they WANT to see.
That is exactly opposite of what I do. I never analyze facts based on what I want that to be.
Let's assume Michael really died and that is Katherin's way to mourne and cope, go shopping. Unbelievable and my brain denied to get that, but let's say it is her way. Ok. What about the society, MJ's fans, friends reaction?. She should have though she goes to the public place,Target is a huge store always full of people, and her act can be understood as disrerspect to suddenly died son. SON & famous King of Pop, she could not ignore public opinion. What she shows with that move ? That she does not care Michael died,does not care about mourning fans all over the world, does not care her son is going through autopsy at the moment she is shopping as long as it helps her to cope?
I don't think so. It is possible only if she is extremely selfish and not normal woman IMO.
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I was shocked when I saw the pictures of Katherine shopping, NOT because Katherine is shopping, but because the paparazzi voltures were there already shooting pics. OMG what does it matter if Katherine is buying sleeping bags, hiking gear, a pasta pan, nail polish or whatever! Even when it's a few days after Michael's "death", it's HER thing, she's coping with it, whether she's grieving, worrying or feeling ok because Michael is ok.
I admire Katherine and I love her. She's been through so much and I believe she is a very dedicated mother, who's doing everything for Michael, even acting, after all he's been through. I think the Murray trial brings up sad and hurtful memories for her and not only for Katherine :(
She was followed there, right out of her driveway where the paps were camped out...remember?
Yes I remember and that made it even worse that these voltures are following Katherine & the family everywhere ! And yes I know that paparazzi is a part of their lives. Katherine was undoubtably aware that she was followed by the paparazzi and buying the sleepingbags could be a part of a plan or confusing the paps or whatever. I was just expressing my anger about the respectless paparazzi :x
I didn't seem angry or rude did I???? I'm NOT...sorry :))))))
Oh no not at all fordtocarr :) Sorry, I was a bit driven by my emotions towards the paparazzi, I'm chill now :D
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I agree with almost everything. Perhaps she knew the paparazzi were to following to her. But I dont know how to explain, even if she knows the showbussiness, she is no artist, but simply she is a mother. Set as her attitude changes even when she leaves the store. Inside is more relaxed, but when she is walking through the garage out she lowers her head, as saying "I want they notice that I'm hurt", but that's not the point.
I can see something in she very strange, weird, when she is walking through the garage, as she knows that someday the whole truth will out, and that someday we will know that Michael still lives, and he had to do all this for a reason.
On the other hand, is not the same, a brother or a friend of ours dies, even a mother, unlike a mother to survive in life to a son. That's the worst that can happen to a person. The worst. Of course, I dont want to convict, and I think everyone is different. But this is true of any mother, and that's a reality and Khaterine has a mother normal feeling, you only need to hear her talk about her children.
On the other hand,do not think it necessary to discuss that, do not think this site is to explain to who believes that a mother would not be devastated two days after the death of a son.
I think maybe if they made a camp, but I think it was indoors, but remember correctly, there are some photos of it somewhere.
But that does not think it's important.
Michael was ahead of his death, and he wanted to avoid it. That is my honest opinion. Michael has significant friendships and world power, and I think he knows too many things that affect the world, and what is more important is that he has always been willing to talk about it.
So he was a nuisance for some people of power.
I do not buy the explanation that Michael was addicted to any substance, especially in front of his children, and especially to be so stubborn not to get treatment. Just see how mature are his children, how someone thought that Michael would be sedated or grogi in their presence? I still trust him, I dont want to be fanatical, I simply turn to the obvious facts.
It's a whole hoax, which has some flaws, because it was quickly assembled at the last minute
I think only his parents know, his children (Paris and Prince, no Blanket, cause I think Blanket thinks he is out for a while) his brothers and not all of his family. The remaining friends, colleagues and others, but suspect it. But no concrete evidence. And everything is for his protection.
But this is just my opinion. And perhaps, be wrong. I just want to share with you all.
On the other hand, it is interesting how certain things fit together and yet are more than rare. I think everyone here have seen this interview with Joe and Khaterine. But invite you to do, because it is very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLmiZzMJSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLmiZzMJSc)
The change in the attitude of defending his son Khaterineabout to a Oprah is very obvious . When asked if Michael lied with operations why would not lie now, please look Khaterine face, she wants to kill with a look at that woman .... why now reveals to Michael before Oprah?
It's strange. I do not know if I explained well.
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I agree with almost everything. Perhaps she knew the paparazzi were to following to her. But I dont know how to explain, even if she knows the showbussiness, she is no artist, but simply she is a mother. Set as her attitude changes even when she leaves the store. Inside is more relaxed, but when she is walking through the garage out she lowers her head, as saying "I want they notice that I'm hurt", but that's not the point.
I can see something in she very strange, weird, when she is walking through the garage, as she knows that someday the whole truth will out, and that someday we will know that Michael still lives, and he had to do all this for a reason.
On the other hand, is not the same, a brother or a friend of ours dies, even a mother, unlike a mother to survive in life to a son. That's the worst that can happen to a person. The worst. Of course, I dont want to convict, and I think everyone is different. But this is true of any mother, and that's a reality and Khaterine has a mother normal feeling, you only need to hear her talk about her children.
On the other hand,do not think it necessary to discuss that, do not think this site is to explain to who believes that a mother would not be devastated two days after the death of a son.
I think maybe if they made a camp, but I think it was indoors, but remember correctly, there are some photos of it somewhere.
But that does not think it's important.
Michael was ahead of his death, and he wanted to avoid it. That is my honest opinion. Michael has significant friendships and world power, and I think he knows too many things that affect the world, and what is more important is that he has always been willing to talk about it.
So he was a nuisance for some people of power.
I do not buy the explanation that Michael was addicted to any substance, especially in front of his children, and especially to be so stubborn not to get treatment. Just see how mature are his children, how someone thought that Michael would be sedated or grogi in their presence? I still trust him, I dont want to be fanatical, I simply turn to the obvious facts.
It's a whole hoax, which has some flaws, because it was quickly assembled at the last minute
I think only his parents know, his children (Paris and Prince, no Blanket, cause I think Blanket thinks he is out for a while) his brothers and not all of his family. The remaining friends, colleagues and others, but suspect it. But no concrete evidence. And everything is for his protection.
But this is just my opinion. And perhaps, be wrong. I just want to share with you all.
On the other hand, it is interesting how certain things fit together and yet are more than rare. I think everyone here have seen this interview with Joe and Khaterine. But invite you to do, because it is very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLmiZzMJSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLmiZzMJSc)
The change in the attitude of defending his son Khaterineabout to a Oprah is very obvious . When asked if Michael lied with operations why would not lie now, please look Khaterine face, she wants to kill with a look at that woman .... why now reveals to Michael before Oprah?
It's strange. I do not know if I explained well.
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I agree with almost everything. Perhaps she knew the paparazzi were to following to her. But I dont know how to explain, even if she knows the showbussiness, she is no artist, but simply she is a mother. Set as her attitude changes even when she leaves the store. Inside is more relaxed, but when she is walking through the garage out she lowers her head, as saying "I want they notice that I'm hurt", but that's not the point.
I can see something in she very strange, weird, when she is walking through the garage, as she knows that someday the whole truth will out, and that someday we will know that Michael still lives, and he had to do all this for a reason.
On the other hand, is not the same, a brother or a friend of ours dies, even a mother, unlike a mother to survive in life to a son. That's the worst that can happen to a person. The worst. Of course, I dont want to convict, and I think everyone is different. But this is true of any mother, and that's a reality and Khaterine has a mother normal feeling, you only need to hear her talk about her children.
On the other hand,do not think it necessary to discuss that, do not think this site is to explain to who believes that a mother would not be devastated two days after the death of a son.
I think maybe if they made a camp, but I think it was indoors, but remember correctly, there are some photos of it somewhere.
But that does not think it's important.
Michael was ahead of his death, and he wanted to avoid it. That is my honest opinion. Michael has significant friendships and world power, and I think he knows too many things that affect the world, and what is more important is that he has always been willing to talk about it.
So he was a nuisance for some people of power.
I do not buy the explanation that Michael was addicted to any substance, especially in front of his children, and especially to be so stubborn not to get treatment. Just see how mature are his children, how someone thought that Michael would be sedated or grogi in their presence? I still trust him, I dont want to be fanatical, I simply turn to the obvious facts.
It's a whole hoax, which has some flaws, because it was quickly assembled at the last minute
I think only his parents know, his children (Paris and Prince, no Blanket, cause I think Blanket thinks he is out for a while) his brothers and not all of his family. The remaining friends, colleagues and others, but suspect it. But no concrete evidence. And everything is for his protection.
But this is just my opinion. And perhaps, be wrong. I just want to share with you all.
On the other hand, it is interesting how certain things fit together and yet are more than rare. I think everyone here have seen this interview with Joe and Khaterine. But invite you to do, because it is very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLmiZzMJSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLmiZzMJSc)
The change in the attitude of defending his son Khaterineabout to a Oprah is very obvious . When asked if Michael lied with operations why would not lie now, please look Khaterine face, she wants to kill with a look at that woman .... why now reveals to Michael before Oprah?
It's strange. I do not know if I explained well.
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It is as if the family would like to make it clear that he is dead. When they know he is still alive. Only the are protecting him