Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Discussion => General Discussion => Other Hoaxes => Topic started by: CantGetEnoughMJ on March 17, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
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I'm posting this information in the spirit of research, and because it's obviously relevant to our investigation of Michael's death hoax. If you are very religious or easily offended by this kind of topic, then please do not watch, and kindly leave this thread as I don't feel like fighting.
The exact location where you will find the suggestion that Jesus Christ may have faked his death is on part 12 starting at 5:18, but I included part 11 if you want the background on what this researcher found.
I am only posting 2 parts because that's where you will find the information on this topic. However, I think it is well worth watching the entire series which is 30 parts on YouTuber "Gamerofall" channel. The documentary is called "The Empire City; Ring of Power".
Part 12
[youtube:1s4fn7k6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NLQswlYJg[/youtube:1s4fn7k6]
Part 11
[youtube:1s4fn7k6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-iFlfIcyKM&feature=related[/youtube:1s4fn7k6]
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what next :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ohhhhh....... :? :roll:
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LOL, what's the matter...you don't believe a man could have faked his death?
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:lol: But I think even very :lol: :lol:
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is this anti catholic ? :|
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is this anti catholic ? :|
I'm Catholic and I wasn't offended, then again, I'm not super religious. I'm just extremely open-minded. This isn't for everybody.
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yeap i will jump off this thread. easter is coming.
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I am Catholic but has a believer, I'm more .......... my own attitude. :)
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I am Catholic but has a believer, I'm more .......... my own attitude. :)
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
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Jesus Christ was killed, beaten to death and crucified.... How can you fake your death while hanging on a cross and having your hands and legs nailed to it??
Please, let's not continue this thread... :cry: :?
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How could Jesus Christ have faked his death? by that time photoshop was not invented yet and neither TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm only joking ;)
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This needs to be removed.
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umm...lets not go there!
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umm...lets not go there!
Yeah I agree. We love MJ but he's not Jesus. I don't even think MJ himself would want to be compared to him like that.
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well I don't know what they are trying to say but I know the Jesus is real and he help me everyday and I thank him for all he done for me.
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Lol to the people who want this thread removed. Why? Because it doesn't fit in your perfect little Jesus-box? Get real. People who don't want to hear about Illuminati/Freemasonry/NWO shit have to sift through a thousand threads to find relevance so suck it up and get over it.
/soapbox
@ original poster (got so fired up I can't remember who it was) - thank you for this. It looks interesting and I will watch the entire thing. People need to learn to have open minds. It won't hurt you, I promise.
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Lol to the people who want this thread removed. Why? Because it doesn't fit in your perfect little Jesus-box? Get real. People who don't want to hear about Illuminati/Freemasonry/NWO shit have to sift through a thousand threads to find relevance so suck it up and get over it.
/soapbox
@ original poster (got so fired up I can't remember who it was) - thank you for this. It looks interesting and I will watch the entire thing. People need to learn to have open minds. It won't hurt you, I promise.
Let's not be disrespectful to those who stand for Jesus. There are people on here who are Christian as I am. I don't think the perfect little Jesus box comment is really necessary.
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Lol to the people who want this thread removed. Why? Because it doesn't fit in your perfect little Jesus-box? Get real. People who don't want to hear about Illuminati/Freemasonry/NWO shit have to sift through a thousand threads to find relevance so suck it up and get over it.
/soapbox
@ original poster (got so fired up I can't remember who it was) - thank you for this. It looks interesting and I will watch the entire thing. People need to learn to have open minds. It won't hurt you, I promise.
Let's not be disrespectful to those who stand for Jesus. There are people on here who are Christian as I am. I don't think the perfect little Jesus box comment is really necessary.
Let's not even get into the amount of times those who stand for Jesus are disrespectful to those who don't.
I'm perfectly aware that 98% of you are Christian. I don't care. The point IS that this thread does not need to be REMOVED just because it might offend someone. There are hundreds of threads here that could offend SOMEONE.
My point? Get over it. Everything offends someone. That doesn't mean it needs to be totally disregarded.
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Lol to the people who want this thread removed. Why? Because it doesn't fit in your perfect little Jesus-box? Get real. People who don't want to hear about Illuminati/Freemasonry/NWO shit have to sift through a thousand threads to find relevance so suck it up and get over it.
/soapbox
@ original poster (got so fired up I can't remember who it was) - thank you for this. It looks interesting and I will watch the entire thing. People need to learn to have open minds. It won't hurt you, I promise.
Let's not be disrespectful to those who stand for Jesus. There are people on here who are Christian as I am. I don't think the perfect little Jesus box comment is really necessary.
Let's not even get into the amount of times those who stand for Jesus are disrespectful to those who don't.
I'm perfectly aware that 98% of you are Christian. I don't care. The point IS that this thread does not need to be REMOVED just because it might offend someone. There are hundreds of threads here that could offend SOMEONE.
My point? Get over it. Everything offends someone. That doesn't mean it needs to be totally disregarded.
Yeah you're right the thread has a right to exist. Everybody has freedom of speech. Just like the person who said the thread should be removed. They have freedom to say what they want to. They weren't being offensive about it. That was just an opinion but it doesn't mean it will be taken down. I think you took it too personal. I'm just saying that you need to chill with the comments about people need to get over it. We have a right to speak up as do you. Anyways you're entitled to you're opinion and I respect that just as I hope you can do for others on here because it's not that serious to insult people. Actually you can get you're point across without being offensive. Anyway I'm done talking about it so have a good one.
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For long time I know about theories that Jesus was taken off the cross before he died by Joseph of Arimathea. I, personally never understood why to discuss this is supposed to be disrespectful. I find it highly interesting and read thick books about those theories and I liked the idea that he might have lived a happy life in India after his supposed death. I'm a Christian myself and it just does not offend me. I don't need to believe that Jesus died and resurrected to live happily myself. I think that nobody knows what did happen 2000 years ago. Everybody believe what they want to believe. Don't be offended and just leave that thread if you don't like that topic.
@CantGetEnoughMJ thanx for sharing. I will sure watch the whole thing.
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Lol to the people who want this thread removed. Why? Because it doesn't fit in your perfect little Jesus-box? Get real. People who don't want to hear about Illuminati/Freemasonry/NWO shit have to sift through a thousand threads to find relevance so suck it up and get over it.
/soapbox
@ original poster (got so fired up I can't remember who it was) - thank you for this. It looks interesting and I will watch the entire thing. People need to learn to have open minds. It won't hurt you, I promise.
Let's not be disrespectful to those who stand for Jesus. There are people on here who are Christian as I am. I don't think the perfect little Jesus box comment is really necessary.
Let's not even get into the amount of times those who stand for Jesus are disrespectful to those who don't.
I'm perfectly aware that 98% of you are Christian. I don't care. The point IS that this thread does not need to be REMOVED just because it might offend someone. There are hundreds of threads here that could offend SOMEONE.
My point? Get over it. Everything offends someone. That doesn't mean it needs to be totally disregarded.
Yeah you're right the thread has a right to exist. Everybody has freedom of speech. Just like the person who said the thread should be removed. They have freedom to say what they want to. They weren't being offensive about it. That was just an opinion but it doesn't mean it will be taken down. I think you took it too personal. I'm just saying that you need to chill with the comments about people need to get over it. We have a right to speak up as do you. Anyways you're entitled to you're opinion and I respect that just as I hope you can do for others on here because it's not that serious to insult people. Actually you can get you're point across without being offensive. Anyway I'm done talking about it so have a good one.
I already know I will get a lot of flack for my comment and that's fine. I stand by it. I'm not normally a bitch and I hope you know that my argument/bitch-moment was not directed at you. It was generalized. However I do realize people will most likely take offense to it. :?
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I personally am NOT Christian, but I know that topics regarding Religion always get ugly. I have been bashed for my religious beliefs before....thats the only reason of my comment.
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I thank those of you that have been open-minded enough to accept or support my post. I knew this would get heated, that's why I included a warning to those people that are not ready to have their life-long beliefs challenged or turned upside down.
I believe Jesus Christ existed, he was a wonderful, caring, gifted human being who had a message for mankind. He was put on earth by God because he had a purpose to fulfill which would benefit humanity. I also believe in God and I love him very much. I'm just not sure I believe the bible's stories, the reason being that the bible was essentially written by man. The bible has been translated, rewritten who knows how many times over many generations, by man. Who guarantees me that every last word written in the bible is God honest fact. How do we know that things were not changed, misinterpreted, misunderstood, mistranslated, exaggerated, or purposefully altered anywhere along the way.
I've tried to believe that Jesus Christ was born of immaculate conception, performed all kinds of miracles like feeding hundreds of men with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread, could walk on water, died on a cross and then came back from the dead, ect. But there's something in me that is willing to hear other explanations. The possibility that Jesus studied Buddhist beliefs and was exposed to other spiritual teachings could explain Jesus' power to heal the sick (I do believe he was able to heal).
I find it easier to believe that Jesus Christ did not actually die on the cross as the bible says, but instead managed to survive with the help of people that loved and cared about him. Then he was able to carry on with his message of love, but everyone thought that he had actually come back from the dead. I'm not saying Jesus planned all this, only that this is the way things could have turned out. It's a possibility that I'm open to hear. Of course there is no proof that this is fact, just like there is no proof of everything the bible says.
I respect everyone's beliefs and have no intention of offending anybody. I expect my beliefs to be respected as well.
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But then that would mean that the Roman Catholic religion is based on a lie..
THe whole premise of the RC church is that God sacrificed his only son for us, and if he didn't die.,then it is totally debunking the RC belief.
So..I would suggest we put this topic to rest before it starts a war.
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But then that would mean that the Roman Catholic religion is based on a lie..
THe whole premise of the RC church is that God sacrificed his only son for us, and if he didn't die.,then it is totally debunking the RC belief.
So..I would suggest we put this topic to rest before it starts a war.
You can't bring something up and then expect it not to be discussed. So since you brought it up, in my most humble personal opinion, religions in general are also man made. The premise for religions may have been born of pure, well-intentioned ideas, but when you think about it, who wrote all the rules for religions? Human beings/men. The major religions have been around for centuries, and there is plenty of opportunity there for things to have been added, altered, changed, ect. Case in point, the Roman Catholic church has a very dark history, and that's not my opinion, it's a fact anybody can research. Again, I'm Catholic, but I'm not afraid to question or refute anything.
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respect pps religion - respect that i find this an upsetting topic - now i jump off again -
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respect pps religion - respect that i find this an upsetting topic - now i jump off again -
I respect that--bye.
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i would suggest to the mods to close this topic as it has nothing to do with Michael Jackson and it is offensive.
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they also said he secretly fathered a child or two, naturally. Ahem :? sounds vaguely familiar. Do I see a pattern here?
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Yes, I agree, lets not start a war.....however to me, what the hell does this have to do with Michael Jackson? Get real !!!!!!!!
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its in the other hoaxes section.... it doesnt have to be about MJ..
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well i can actually see that this may have some link with michael. now im not directly comparing "jesus" and michael , but they have a similarity in their lives. now "jesus" was ridiculed, bashed, betrayed by those close to him, crucified and well mis understood, they didnt realise until he died, what he was.
now michael has had a similar-ish story, he was mocked by the way he looked, bashed for his actions, the way he behaved. betrayed and sold-out to for money and crucified by the media, and most of all mis-understood, nobody understood him and that when he "died" , well the world started to appreciate him.
i hope i make some sense and that you understand that there is some links that can be made between the two. and as far as religious views would concern me , im on the fence
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if this thread was about jewish pp or black pp or islam it would have been deleted. all i am saying is that their should be equality of treatment
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There is equality of treatment on this forum. This is indeed in the other hoaxes section so it doesn't have to do anything with MJ.
This board is also to discuss other things in life, to question things. There is not yet a reason to close this thread.
We are Dutch and in The Netherlands anything can be discussed, also religion. I myself think the church is a bunch of liars in expensive dresses and too much gold, but that doesn't mean I disrespect religion, I am questioning the intentions of those that are profiting from people's beliefs.
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your words speaks volumes
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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/autho ... ckson.html (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/michael_jackson.html)
"But I will never stop helping and loving people the way Jesus said to". mj
"It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie" mj
"When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see. " mj
I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all.
Michael Jackson
Oprah Winfrey interview 1993.
http://www.allgreatquotes.com/michael_j ... tes2.shtml (http://www.allgreatquotes.com/michael_jackson_quotes2.shtml)
"It doesn't matter with blood or race or creed or color. Love is love and it breaks all boundaries and you just see it right away." mj
"I think if I sat in a room with [Jesus] I would follow him everywhere he went, feel his presence. I would behave just like a child, like Gandhi." mj
"I love the Sermon on the Mount. I love the story when the Apostles are arguing amongst themselves about who is the greatest and Jesus says, 'Unless you humble yourself like this little child, be childlike. . . .' I thought that was the perfect thing to say. Return to innocence." mj
"Somebody had to create [the universe], a designer had to create this. From our lashes to our mouths to our digestive system." mj
"We are the only species who destroys their own."mj
"Believing in children [gave me the strength to persevere]. Believing in young people. Believing that God gave me this for a reason, to help my babies." mj
"I believe that there are some good people in the world and I do believe there is a God." mj
"I was taught to be Biblical: 'Forgive them for they know not what they do.'" mj
"Yeah, I'd rather suffer [than cause others to suffer]. I hate to say it because I have suffered a lot. God, have I suffered. But I would rather suffer." mj
http://inspiringnews.wordpress.com/2009 ... -with-god/ (http://inspiringnews.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/michael-jackson-quotes-on-his-relationship-with-god/)
Michael Jackson: Quotes on his relationship with God
July 8, 2009 — Kedar
“No matter what, the most powerful thing in the world is the human mind and prayer, and belief in yourself and confidence and perseverance. No matter how many times you do it, you do it again until it’s right. And always believe in yourself. And not matter who’s around you that is being negative or thrusting negative energy at you, totally block it off. Because whatever you believe, you become.”
Michael Jackson spoke these words in an Online Audio Chat sponsored by GetMusic.com and RollingStone.com on October 26, 2001 with Anthony DeCurtis as the moderator.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... el_Jackson (http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1354250.Michael_Jackson)
"In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.
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— Michael Jackson
"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons."
— Michael Jackson
"Hope is such a beautiful word, but it often seems very fragile. Life is still being needlessly hurt and destroyed."
— Michael Jackson
"Sometimes the heart is so heavy that we turn away from it and forget that its throbbing is the wisest message of life, a wordless message that says, "Live, be, move, rejoice -- you are alive!" Without the heart's wise rhythm, we could not exist."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
"But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of God's creation embraces me."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
"We have to heal our wounded world. The chaos, despair, and senseless destruction we see today are a result of the alienation that people feel from each other and their environment."
— Michael Jackson
"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the Creator. Dancers come and go in the twinkling of an eye but the dance lives on. On many an occasion when I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred. In those moments, I felt my spirit soar and become one with everything that exists. I become the stars and the moon. I become the lover and the beloved. I become the victor and the vanquished. I become the master and the slave. I become the singer and the song. I become the knower and the known. I keep on dancing and then, it is the eternal dance of creation. The Creator and the creation merge into one wholeness of joy. I keep on dancing — until there is only ... the dance."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
bigotry takes many forms and was not supported by mj
just my view
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ML King said
"Jesus Christ was an extremist for love, truth and goodness."
who among us would go behind those words and say that he hoaxed his own death
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ML King said
"Jesus Christ was an extremist for love, truth and goodness."
who among us would go behind those words and say that he hoaxed his own death
I'm sorry, but this is a neverending discussion.
I am not religious, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in anything.
I just have doubts about a lot of stuff, certainly when it comes to the bible. Let me start with the part that makes me go hmmmm:
Adam and Eve were the first people on earth. They get 2 kids, both boys. One kills the other and has kids. Please answer me this question: Who had his kids? You get what I mean?
I think the bible has got a few good points and life lessons, but there is a lot of hypocracy in it as well. Don't forget it was written by men. If you don't believe anything what is written in the media, why just believe everything written in the bible? That doesn't make sense at all to me. They didn't have tabloids back then, does that mean people were always telling the truth? i don't think so.
I just use the good stuff from the bible in life, and I will take stories like mentioned above with a grain af salt....a whole bottle actually.
And I think that if Jesus would have a good reason, like Mike has too, he could have hoaxed his death. Why not? Is Mike a bad person for hoaxing his death? He is not doing it only for himself remember?
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it is my opinion that this topic is allowed to run because there arent any interesting clues to discuss at the moment
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Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
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Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
sorry i thought this was a mj death hoax investigation
so can i then discuss the price differences between game platforms then (no).
it is and will always be the case - which i accept that the topic is allowed because you allow it
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Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
sorry i thought this was a mj death hoax investigation
so can i then discuss the price differences between game platforms then (no).
it is and will always be the case - which i accept that the topic is allowed because you allow it
now i dont mean this in any rude way, just incase it sounds that way, but how many other forums dedicated to specific topics, e.g. im a wrestling fan ( i know :lol: ) and im on a wrestling forum, and its not all wrestling talk, you can talk about other general topics if they are posted in the right sections like. nothing to get heated about
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okay ill post a games discussion in general talk - how long before that gets locked - 2 secs
but i am concerned about bigotry
but if you guys want to blamspheme thats your business
i am going to leave you to it, it seems that you do not take into account the feelings and religion of others
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Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
sorry i thought this was a mj death hoax investigation
so can i then discuss the price differences between game platforms then (no).
it is and will always be the case - which i accept that the topic is allowed because you allow it
Yes it is, but this was posted in OTHER hoaxes (not MJ's)
And if you want to talk about price differences, by my guest at the general discussion...
I don't really get your problem. But then again, it seems you just have a problem with me and not the topics.
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okay ill post a games discussion in general talk - how long before that gets locked - 2 secs
but i am concerned about bigotry
but if you guys want to blamspheme thats your business
i am going to leave you to it, it seems that you do not take into account the feelings and religion of others
Yes we do, maybe you didn't read what I actually wrote. Now stop the drama and skip the topic.
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I think freedom of speech trumps/takes precedence over some people's religious sensitivities. By the very nature of the beast it has to be that way. There is always going to be someone who is offended. Look at the Danish newspaper cartoons overreaction. These religious fanatics need to lighten up and get a sense of perspective.
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To any of you that are offended by this topic, I've said it twice and I warned you from the beginnig, just leave this topic and leave those of us that exercise our free will to think for ourselves alone. I don't see where anybody is being biggoted in this topic. I am not personally attacking anybody's race. If you notice the religion I did happen to criticize is my own so back off. Nobody is forcing you to come onto this thread.
I'm sick and tired of people always trying to drown out the truth or alternative explanations to life's questions. I'm tired of believing everything that I am TOLD to believe. It is painfully obvious that many things are not right in this world and it's about damn time that EVERYONE starts asking questions and looking for real answers. Nothing is off limits as far as I'm concerned, including religion, the bible, and even the TRUE origins and life of Jesus Christ.
I don't know why some of you are on this site, but it reeks of hypocrisy for some of you to believe that Michael Jackson may still be alive, yet you criticize those of us that entertain the possibility that a man that lived over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ, may have survived his crucifixion.
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Jesus dind't fake his death , He was taken Off this earth by God ... I think it's not a good idea to post smth so controversial like that =/ honestly
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well i can actually see that this may have some link with michael. now im not directly comparing "jesus" and michael , but they have a similarity in their lives. now "jesus" was ridiculed, bashed, betrayed by those close to him, crucified and well mis understood, they didnt realise until he died, what he was.
now michael has had a similar-ish story, he was mocked by the way he looked, bashed for his actions, the way he behaved. betrayed and sold-out to for money and crucified by the media, and most of all mis-understood, nobody understood him and that when he "died" , well the world started to appreciate him.
i hope i make some sense and that you understand that there is some links that can be made between the two. and as far as religious views would concern me , im on the fence
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. It was discussed in MJHD long ago, and maybe here too, that there are many parallels between the lives of Michael and Jesus Christ, most of which you mentioned. I think it's perfectly okay to note those similarities, I mean, what's wrong with comparing Jesus Christ with another human being. It would be especially interesting (for lack of a better word) if Jesus did not in fact die the way we have been taught to believe.
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Jesus dind't fake his death , He was taken Off this earth by God ... I think it's not a good idea to post smth so controversial like that =/ honestly
Yes it is a controversial topic for many people. But for others, like me, it's about time that controversial topics are discussed in earnest. We've been told that the dark ages took place during the middle ages, but we're still in the dark ages when intelligent people refuse to think for themselves or ponder difficult questions.
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Jesus dind't fake his death , He was taken Off this earth by God ... I think it's not a good idea to post smth so controversial like that =/ honestly
Without controversy, life would get amazingly boring.
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All I know is that is that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and that Jesus Loves me! :) He is the only way to God. Jesus Christ died on the Cross, and rose from the dead. Jesus gave this precious gift to the world. Jesus Christ is My Lord and My Saviour. I am proud to be a born-again Christian. I love Jesus with everything that I have he has given me in this life. That is my personal belief system. I am thankful to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit for the precious gift of eternal life and a personal relationship with Jesus. I am nothing without Jesus Christ. God bless everyone for all the love and the continued support. xxxx
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acts 10:39
"and we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the jews, and in jerusalem; whom they SLEW AND HANGED ON A TREE::"
jesus didnt die on the cross.
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Religion & politics always get heated, there are always many different beliefs. Yes, there is freedom of speech & this thread has the right to exist. However, it's inevitable that many people will be offended. People who are religious, are really into their beliefs so the "perfect Jesus box" comment was pretty rude. Of course people who believe Jesus to be a man who died for his people & that their sins died with him, etc etc. Are not going to want something like this discussed. MJ was a very religious person, so for the sake of this forum & to prevent fighting, how about we just leave religion out of it or at least things like this? I know not everyone is religious but we are all here for one purpose & one purpose only, that's MJ & his hoax. Not Jesus. Yes, there are Illuminati/NWO threads but they are relevant seeing as how MJ spoke out about them & many people believe them to have been involved in trying to take him down. It is relevant. I don't see how even if Jesus did fake his death, which I don't believe he did, it relates to this hoax? But I don't blame the poster for posting it, I just think we should all respect each other & not put things that will stir up trouble amongst us, let's just focus on the central reason we're here & things that relate to that.
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All I know is that is that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and that Jesus Loves me! :) He is the only way to God. Jesus Christ died on the Cross, and rose from the dead. Jesus gave this precious gift to the world. Jesus Christ is My Lord and My Saviour. I am proud to be a born-again Christian. I love Jesus with everything that I have he has given me in this life. That is my personal belief system. I am thankful to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit for the precious gift of eternal life and a personal relationship with Jesus. I am nothing without Jesus Christ. God bless everyone for all the love and the continued support. xxxx
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If Jesus Christ faked his death, i.e., never shed his blood for the sin of the world, which He said He loved, the world has WAY more serious problems than anything MJ has proposed in his message. Forget 2012. Forget the NWO or mind control or crooked governments bilking the citizens of various countries. Forget oil spills, tyrranical governments, or weapons-toting bullies on the local playground, abortions as the preferred method of birthcontrol, pesticides in foodstuffs, Big Pharma, brainwashed slaves in the music industry, war machines and chemicals which maime and kill generations, and all of MJ's tribulations...
All of that is mere child'splay---fun and games---next to the ultimate fate of every human being who ever lived, either those looking FORWARD, in faith TOWARDS the coming Messiah (Saviour), or those who were born AFTER, looking BACK on the blessed FACT that The Saviour/Messiah came and died.
God has zero tolerance for rebellion in His kingdom. Thing is, He PROMISED He would reserve judgment until each and every human has had the chance to "MAKE THAT CHANGE", and switch from serving themselves and their interests, to following His LOVE and wisdom...He might, after all, just KNOW SOME thing---he made it all, He knows everything ABOUT everything and everyone here...He's been here longer htan everything.
He promised Jesus that He would accept HIS love-sacrificed life, in OUR place, and give whosoever WILL, by their own choice submit themselves to His LOVE. If you are thinking "EEEWWW--how barbaric...", listen to this. The earth was full of diamonds, jewels, gold, silver, cattle, lands, but none of it---ALL of it put together could not purchase one soul. Nor could the moon or stars buy any of us a day of grace.
It was a debt none of us could ever pay---personally DISSING, shutting the Lover of our souls, The Ultimate Wonderful King of the universe, out of our lives as if he's some loser, know-nothing half-bake, who has no value in our lives. Don't blame Adam and Eve for earth's curse; their story was but one hilighted example of what EACH of the rest of the people---us ---would soon do PERSONALLY to HIM, ourselves, in our OWN quest "for the "More" we suspected God was "holding back" from us: the complete knowledge of good and evil, which, SO instantly ROBS one of their innocence, it is visible in their eyes . (look at your OWN childhood photos!!!!!!!!!!!!) :o
The most priceless substance EVER created would be the only thing valuable enough to redeem (buy back )every soul in the world. I couldn't, and YOU cannot IMAGINE what this was. I say WAS,
because there isn't ANY more of this substance anywhere in the universe, but what was used to buy us back from evil. THAT'S what makes it SO priceless and SO rare.
It was the blood of God. The Word (which, incidentally COMES TRUE as it COMES from the mouth of God---this is WHY He cannot lie ;) 8-) :lol: ) The WORD says that the Spirit of God overshadowed a maiden named Mary, and she conceived, in her womb, the very DNA bearing seed of the ALMIGHTY (in case you don't know this, the child gets its blood from the father; there wasn't a drop of human --tainted-with-sin-blood in Jesus' human body.) . Jesus, who was with God and was every bit God in spirit, humbled and offered Himself, to take on a flesh body and set aside ALL His glory to come here, & win our love, so we would be sure to BELIEVE HIM, follow His love and wisdom with regard to everyone here, and then live happily ever after with Him, His Father, and his Sweet Holy Spirit FOR ALL TIME. :D :D :D :D :D :D
He came with a divine plan to be our hero! He fasted and prayed every morning to keep strong and resist sin, himself---for He knew how weak the flesh had become, having been steeped in evil for 5,000 years. He was a TRUE Romantic HERO, taking NO chances. This thing CAN'T go wrong! He had to keep the most valuable and precious subtance in the universe ABSLOUTELY PURE, for the only sacrifice God would accept. It was foretold in prophecy by multiple different generations of writers, "AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE SPIRIT of GOD". (YES---the WORD said that; it became true as soon as He spoke it) In FACT, I didn't know I was going to post this today, and it's been a while since I talked "Stats", as I am not accustomed to coming accross those who don't already KNOW this :? ---but, IN FACT, there were something like 333 prophesies FULFILLED the week Jesus was put to death, and I do mean, exactly as written in the previous 4-5,000 years by many various writers...
Things like... NO bones being broken on Jesus---and that they would pierce a hole as big as a grown man's hand in His side--just to be cruel. Even though the government officials were anxious to get the thing over with before the weekend, and broke the other two crucified criminals' legs, they didn't break Jesus'. When they came to Jesus, His spirit had already vacated His body. A soldier gored Him in the heart with his spear---just for fun and The WORD of God says, blood and water poured out, meaning his circulatory fluids had already separated. His body was deceased.
If you're thinking this entire thing is too gorey and barbaric to have anything to do with God...
You may be yourself TOO steeped in the filth and horror of sin to make the comparison. Horrific evils mandate equally frightening methods of annihilation and eradication.
Have you never heard of RABIES?
Everyone dies of this,
beyond a slim window of time in which to receive the vaccine. It is one of the most frightening things to see
EVER.
And so is the vaccine....LOOK THIS UP. IT'S JUST A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF HELL ON EARTH.
Or what about snake bite. Have you seen a poisonous snake bite??? Have you SEEN what they have to DO--- mutilating the victim in a race against TIME to head off the damage already filling the victim with DEATH :?: :?:
It is like a birthday party, compared to the punishment we have earned and SO miserably deserve, for breaking the heart of our Dear Super Genius ALL encompassing LOVE, Father, God.
He's not being vindictive in judgment; He cannot let this virus/plague called sin---think of it---
it infects the spirit, soul, and body of Man! He, as a responsible parent and creator,
WILL NOT
let His enemies over run Him. The human spirit He so lovingly placed in His crowning creation, Man---will NEVER be turned over to any devil. It is too valuable. It can do and be things that no fallen angel was EVER able to do or be. 8-)
No.
In fact, the moment any human dies, the spiritand attached soul are taken immediately for safekeeping, out of reach of everyone here. We weren't told what God does with them until judgment, but as every medical examiner knows, the human brain, hosting organ of the mind and spiritual-heart, quickly turns gelatinous and begins to evaporate---preventing hijacking by any other foul spirits, jealous enough of our bodies and our God-given dominion here, to actually TAKE possession.! :!: :!: :!: :!:
Back to the OP. If Jesus faked His sacrificial death, He wasn't a hero, He is to this day, in his natural life span grave, a coward. Especially, if He selfishly renegged on His vow to lay down His life for His Father's most priced creations, He has shamed His Father, and grieved the Holy Spirit so immeasurably, He himself is now fallen and doomed to our fate. We are YET dead in our sins. Not only will we destroy our selves and our beautiful garden planet, here, Armageddon will finish the job. Hey---somthin to look forward to :!:
You wanna be startin somethin?
BRACE YOURSELVES [/color
]THIS IS IT
Here is something I bet you never thought about:
if Jesus didn't REALLY die, and wasn't subsequently resurrected by the Spirit, proving God had accepted His PASSIONATE LOVE AND PAYMENT (of RANSOM 8-) ;) for us,
how was He able to walk through the walls of the rooms His disciples were mourning in, and allow the most sceptical of those folk place his hand into the now gaping, yet BLOODLESS hole in His side, and then sit down and eat meats with them :roll: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
Jesus did not fake His death. :cry: :cry: You are being seduced :o :? :? by lying spirits which The Word SAID are here, amongst us...
:?: Please... :idea: WAKE UP and LIVE. :)
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Rofl.
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SORRY. If I am not allowed to edit out typos and extra characters in the interest of clarity, I MUST repost. :oops: :roll: :) :arrow:
All I know is that is that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and that Jesus Loves me! :) He is the only way to God. Jesus Christ died on the Cross, and rose from the dead. Jesus gave this precious gift to the world. Jesus Christ is My Lord and My Saviour. I am proud to be a born-again Christian. I love Jesus with everything that I have he has given me in this life. That is my personal belief system. I am thankful to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit for the precious gift of eternal life and a personal relationship with Jesus. I am nothing without Jesus Christ. God bless everyone for all the love and the continued support. xxxx
Darkchild, PREACH IT :!: :!:
Me TOO, everything you said :!: And now, ;) ;) ;) for some WORD from our Sponsor....
If Jesus Christ faked his death, i.e., never shed his blood for the sin of the world, which He said He loved, the world has WAY more serious problems than anything MJ has proposed in his message. Forget 2012. Forget the NWO or mind control or crooked governments bilking the citizens of various countries. Forget oil spills, tyrranical governments, or weapons-toting bullies on the local playground, abortions as the preferred method of birthcontrol, pesticides in foodstuffs, Big Pharma, brainwashed slaves in the music industry, war machines and chemicals which maime and kill generations, and all of MJ's tribulations...
All of that is mere child'splay---fun and games---next to the ultimate fate of every human being who ever lived, either those looking FORWARD, in faith TOWARDS the coming Messiah (Saviour), or those who were born AFTER, looking BACK on the blessed FACT that The Saviour/Messiah came and died.
God has zero tolerance for rebellion in His kingdom. Thing is, He PROMISED He would reserve judgment until each and every human has had the chance to "MAKE THAT CHANGE", and switch from serving themselves and their interests, to following His LOVE and wisdom...He might, after all, just KNOW SOME thing---he made it all, He knows everything ABOUT everything and everyone here...He's been here longer than everything.
He promised Jesus that He would accept HIS love-sacrificed life, in OUR place, and give whosoever WILL, by their own choice submit themselves to His LOVE. If you are thinking "EEEWWW--how barbaric...", listen to this. The earth was full of diamonds, jewels, gold, silver, cattle, lands, but none of it---ALL of it put together could not purchase one soul. Nor could the moon or stars buy any of us a day of grace.
It was a debt none of us could ever pay---personally DISSING, shutting the Lover of our souls, The Ultimate Wonderful King of the universe, out of our lives as if he's some loser, know-nothing half-bake, who has no value in our lives. Don't blame Adam and Eve for earth's curse; their story was but one hilighted example of what EACH of the rest of the people---us ---would soon do PERSONALLY to HIM, ourselves, in our OWN quest "for the "More" we suspected God was "holding back" from us: the complete knowledge of good and evil, which, SO instantly ROBS one of their innocence, it is visible in their eyes . (look at your OWN childhood photos!!!!!!!!!!!!) :o
The most priceless substance EVER created would be the only thing valuable enough to redeem (buy back )every soul in the world. I couldn't, and YOU cannot IMAGINE what this was. I say WAS,
because there isn't ANY more of this substance anywhere in the universe, but what was used to buy us back from evil. THAT'S what makes it SO priceless and SO rare.
It was the blood of God. The Word (which, incidentally COMES TRUE as it COMES from the mouth of God---this is WHY He cannot lie ;) 8-) :lol: ) The WORD says that the Spirit of God overshadowed a maiden named Mary, and she conceived, in her womb, the very DNA bearing seed of the ALMIGHTY (in case you don't know this, the child gets its blood from the father; there wasn't a drop of human --tainted-with-sin-blood in Jesus' human body.) .
Jesus, who was with God and was every bit God in spirit, humbled and offered Himself, to take on a flesh body and set aside ALL His glory to come here, & win our love, so we would be sure to BELIEVE HIM, follow His love and wisdom with regard to everyone here, and then live happily ever after with Him, His Father, and his Sweet Holy Spirit FOR ALL TIME. :D :D :D :D :D :D
He came with a divine plan to be our hero! He fasted and prayed every morning to keep strong and resist sin, Himself---for He knew how weak the flesh had become, having been steeped in evil for 5,000 years.
He was a TRUE Romantic HERO, taking NO chances. This thing CAN'T go wrong!
He had to keep the most valuable and precious subtance in the universe ABSLOUTELY PURE, for the only sacrifice God would accept. It was foretold in prophecy by multiple different generations of writers, "AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE SPIRIT of GOD". (YES---the WORD said that; it became true as soon as He spoke it)
In FACT, I didn't know I was going to post this today, and it's been a while since I talked "Stats", as I am not accustomed to coming accross those who don't already KNOW this :? ---but, IN FACT,
there were something like 333 prophecies FULFILLED the week Jesus was put to death, and I do mean, exactly as written in the previous 4-5,000 years by many various writers...
Things like... NO bones being broken on Jesus---and that they would pierce a hole as big as a grown man's hand in His side--just to be cruel.
Even though the government officials were anxious to get the thing over with before the weekend, and broke the other two crucified criminals' legs, they didn't break Jesus'. When they came to Jesus, His spirit had already vacated His body.
A soldier gored Him in the heart with his spear---just for fun and The WORD of God says, blood and water poured out, meaning his circulatory fluids had already separated. His body was deceased.
If you're thinking this entire thing is too gorey and barbaric to have anything to do with God...
You may be yourself TOO steeped in the filth and horror of sin to make the comparison. Horrific evils mandate equally frightening methods of annihilation and eradication.
Have you never heard of RABIES?
Everyone dies of this,
beyond a slim window of time in which to receive the vaccine. It is one of the most frightening things to see
EVER.
And so is the vaccine....LOOK THIS UP. IT'S JUST A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF HELL ON EARTH.
Or what about snake bite. Have you seen a poisonous snake bite??? Have you SEEN what they have to DO--- mutilating the victim in a race against TIME to head off the damage already filling the victim with DEATH :?: :?:
It is like a birthday party, compared to the punishment we have earned and SO miserably deserve, for breaking the heart of our Dear Super Genius ALL encompassing LOVE, Father, God.
He's not being vindictive in judgment;
He cannot let this virus/plague called sin---think of it---
it infects the spirit, soul, and body of Man! He, as a responsible parent and creator,
WILL NOT
let His enemies over run Him. The human spirit He so lovingly placed in His crowning creation, Man---will NEVER be turned over to any devil. It is too valuable. It can do and be things that no fallen angel was EVER able to do or be. 8-)
No.
In fact, the moment any human dies, the spirit and attached soul are taken immediately for safekeeping, out of reach of everyone here. We weren't told what God does with them until judgment, but as every medical examiner knows, the human brain, hosting organ of the mind and spiritual-heart, quickly turns gelatinous and begins to evaporate---preventing hijacking by any other foul spirits, jealous enough of our bodies and our God-given dominion here, to actually TAKE possession.! :!: :!: :!: :!:
Back to the OP. If Jesus faked His sacrificial death, He wasn't a hero, He is to this day, in his natural life span grave, a coward. Especially, if He selfishly renegged on His vow to lay down His life for His Father's most priced creations, He has shamed His Father, and grieved the Holy Spirit so immeasurably, He himself is now fallen and doomed to our fate.
We are YET dead in our sins.
Not only will we destroy our selves and our beautiful garden planet, here, Armageddon will finish the job. Hey---somethin to look forward to :!:
You wanna be startin somethin?
BRACE YOURSELVES :o
THIS IS IT
Here is something I bet you never thought about :
if Jesus didn't REALLY die, and wasn't subsequently resurrected by the Spirit, proving God had accepted His PASSIONATE LOVE AND PAYMENT (of RANSOM 8-) ;) ) for us,
how was He able to walk through the walls of the rooms His disciples were mourning in, and allow the most sceptical of those folk to place his hand into the now gaping, yet BLOODLESS,
hole in His side, and then sit down and eat meats with them :roll: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
Jesus did not fake His death.
:cry: :cry: You are being seduced :o :? :? by lying spirits which The Word SAID are here, amongst us...
:?: Please... :idea: WAKE UP and LIVE. :)
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It's not like a "death hoax" by Jesus Christ but what i have learnt from my religious beliefs is that Jesus Christ is still alive, who we call the prophet Hazrat Isa (a.s.). He did not die on the cross. God took him, and someone else died on his place. People believed Hazrat Isa died. But he was saved by God, and he will return to the world on doomsday.
I didn't intend to find similarities with Michael in this but after writing what i wrote above i too can find some links. :roll:
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I understood the documentary to say that Jesus may have survived crucifixion, rather than to have deliberately faked his death to achieve some kind of purpose. I would never think that Jesus would set out a plan to fake his death, so the title of the thread could have been worded better, I admit. From a practical and realistic point of view, I think it's plausible that he would have survived with the help of the people who loved him. Having said that, my purpose is not to convince others of my point of view, only to bring another perspective to the table. I respect everyone's beliefs and apologize for having offended anybody. Carry on.