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Title: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 01, 2013, 07:49:48 AM
Hello everyone,

The site has been offline for a few days for good reason. Things happened in our private lives that were connected to the forum and keeping it offline was the only way to figure a few things out. This was not the first time but it was the last straw for me. Someone from the hoax community found out my personal information and harrassed me and sehf and invaded our privacy. We needed time to figure some things out and see who was responsible for this and the only way was to shut everything down. Luckily it didn't take as long as we thought so the site could go back up today.

I am very saddened though to see that many members already refer to this forum as 'the old forum' while no one (except bec, Ijustcantstoplovingu and sweetsunsetwithmj) even took the time to send me an email and ask. I saw moderators from here are already moderators on the Front forum and of course I will have to ask those to pick one forum over the other, you can't be a mod on both forums, so let me know or else I will pick a new moderator team in a couple of days after seeing where everyone stands. 

I still do not allow the topics like I mentioned before, so if you really believe that you have to talk about Front, Pablo or MJ's 55 year old ass in gold pants, then maybe the new forum is your place to be. I do not like where Front is heading AT ALL and I have always made my decisions in the member's best interest. If I didn't give a rat's ass then I would have left anyone/any topic on here and have 25K members and ads all over the place. But that is not my goal, my goal is to investigate, not to kiss ass, not even MJs's.

This forum will continue as it was with actual investigation and I hope there will still be members and moderators left that think alike.

Souza

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 01, 2013, 08:10:53 AM
Hey Souza, I hope you are doing well. I'm glad the forum is back up.

Just to clarify,  I for one admit I have been on the backtofront forum temporarily because I did not know how long this would be shut down.
I also did contact you on twitter to see what was going on because I do not have your email. But anyway I'm glad it is back up now.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: mjptd on September 01, 2013, 08:47:16 AM
Hi  Souza I'm glad you are back, for a  few days I was lost... :bearhug:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: mattie on September 01, 2013, 09:02:03 AM
I am also glad the forum is back.
I also tried to contact you Souza..The e-mail came back..and i tried to contact you trough your Twitter..but get no respons.
In tought it was final this time :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on September 01, 2013, 09:16:50 AM
Hi Souza 

Pleased to see that you are able to put us back on line, much appreciated.  I hope your privacy isnt invaded anymore.


Back to work every one, there are still things to investigate which havent been explained yet.


Love to all


 :compute: :bearhug:

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: iLoveyoumore on September 01, 2013, 09:37:08 AM
Thanks Souza and SEHF! Glad to see the forum is back.

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 01, 2013, 09:49:54 AM
Hey Souza, glad you're back. Sorry to hear that your privacy got invaded.
I'm registered on the BacktoFront forum too. Never thought I'd be such a forumer/Tweeter lol.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: BeTheChange on September 01, 2013, 09:53:59 AM
Glad to see the forum is up and running again.

Just to clarify...many of us were concerned about both you & Sehf and stated as such on Twitter....over several tweets.

I will respond to the rest in the mod thread later tonite when I have time.

Thanks
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: katooooooo on September 01, 2013, 10:25:07 AM
Happy to see you back Souza!

If you need help for anything I can :)
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: angel on September 01, 2013, 10:56:01 AM
Thank you, Souza.  You are much loved and appreciated. It's refreshing to see such maturity in a younger person.  May God bless you and give you strength and stamina for the road ahead.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: finfin on September 01, 2013, 11:05:31 AM
So sorry Souza to hear about your privacy being invaded, it is horrible and very serious.
Thank you so much for getting the forum back on line, it is much appreciated - Wow can you believe it is now 4 years and 2 months since MJ left?! and we are still here !!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: bonnie2013 on September 01, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
So glad we are back up!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Love4Michael on September 01, 2013, 12:09:20 PM
So glad to see the place open again when I tried today.  Lots & lots of time spent in this neighborhood over the last 4 years  :icon_cool:  It's always distressing to hear that someone is being attacked no matter if in person or over the internet.  I had read that Souza was going to share information about the culprit. Looking forward to that in hopes it prevents others from becoming a victim of this evil person. They sound particularly menacing so they may have or will pursue others.  :icon_mad:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: blankie on September 01, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
I'm sorry to read these things and I hope that everything is resolved.I am registered in the new forum, because for me , twitter is very stressful...and because I love all about Michael to share with old friends   :icon_rolleyes:.. but I'm so glad to see MJDHI back up !!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: gwynned on September 01, 2013, 12:55:09 PM
To have the forum suddenly disappear was a shock for sure.  Looking forward to hearing more about this predator.   ;D
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: MJonmind on September 01, 2013, 01:12:30 PM
I heard via twitter that SEHF's & your privacy had been invaded, and was very sad to hear that. In twitterworld the viciousness of hoax haters has been almost overwhelming, so its no surprise they would stoop to trying to stop/hurt you guys. I really hope we can just press on as a team and never stop. Thanks for all you do.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Jos on September 01, 2013, 02:12:54 PM
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I heard via twitter that SEHF's & your privacy had been invaded, and was very sad to hear that. In twitterworld the viciousness of hoax haters has been almost overwhelming, so its no surprise they would stoop to trying to stop/hurt you guys. I really hope we can just press on as a team and never stop. Thanks for all you do.

 :th_bravo: +1
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Andrea on September 01, 2013, 03:29:55 PM
I am happy to see the forum is back up and running. I do feel a bit lost when it's down. Souza, I hope this stalker business is behind you now, or at least soon to be.

I joined the other site to discuss all things MJ-related and non-MJ related, it reminds me of HoaxBook in that respect.  I read the other thread about why certain things are no longer discussed here and I respect your feelings on the matter, Souza.

I honestly don't want to make a decision on which forum to mod. This has really been bothering me because I wish to participate on both sites for different reasons.  The fairest and easiest way to do that (and the only decision that gives me some peace of mind) is to not be a mod on either site.  Just read and post like any other member.   :compute:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 01, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
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I am happy to see the forum is back up and running. I do feel a bit lost when it's down. Souza, I hope this stalker business is behind you now, or at least soon to be.

I joined the other site to discuss all things MJ-related and non-MJ related, it reminds me of HoaxBook in that respect.  I read the other thread about why certain things are no longer discussed here and I respect your feelings on the matter, Souza.

I honestly don't want to make a decision on which forum to mod. This has really been bothering me because I wish to participate on both sites for different reasons.  The fairest and easiest way to do that (and the only decision that gives me some peace of mind) is to not be a mod on either site.  Just read and post like any other member.   :compute:

I understand, I hope you respect my decision.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Andrea on September 01, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
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I am happy to see the forum is back up and running. I do feel a bit lost when it's down. Souza, I hope this stalker business is behind you now, or at least soon to be.

I joined the other site to discuss all things MJ-related and non-MJ related, it reminds me of HoaxBook in that respect.  I read the other thread about why certain things are no longer discussed here and I respect your feelings on the matter, Souza.

I honestly don't want to make a decision on which forum to mod. This has really been bothering me because I wish to participate on both sites for different reasons.  The fairest and easiest way to do that (and the only decision that gives me some peace of mind) is to not be a mod on either site.  Just read and post like any other member.   :compute:

I understand, I hope you respect my decision.


Of course! I'm still here, still a hoaxer. But without responsibilities now lol. It's all good, I still love you and the forum Souza.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: paula-c on September 01, 2013, 05:17:12 PM
Also has Front forum, the truth I am not informed of anything,  my position in all this is in another thread
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 01, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
I am so glad this forum is back Souza.
I am only registered on this forum that was and is the only one with I learned MJ was alive and kicking, I do respect your decision about Front because to be in touch with him we always have his twitter although I would much appreciate him to keep on posting some clues/hints to keep us updated about AEG trial that it's the only running issue right now.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: jadz29858 on September 01, 2013, 06:22:04 PM
Hi
I glad we are back on the road to finding the truth!  these days without the forum was hard all that great work and the family we have made was a shame to lose!
But the love won and we are here! hope every thing is good and we now are stronger to fight back!

 love and hugs to all and wish that we will be here to the end!♥
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 01, 2013, 06:28:13 PM
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Hello everyone,

The site has been offline for a few days for good reason. Things happened in our private lives that were connected to the forum and keeping it offline was the only way to figure a few things out. This was not the first time but it was the last straw for me. Someone from the hoax community found out my personal information and harrassed me and sehf and invaded our privacy. We needed time to figure some things out and see who was responsible for this and the only way was to shut everything down. Luckily it didn't take as long as we thought so the site could go back up today.

I am very saddened though to see that many members already refer to this forum as 'the old forum' while no one (except bec, Ijustcantstoplovingu and sweetsunsetwithmj) even took the time to send me an email and ask. I saw moderators from here are already moderators on the Front forum and of course I will have to ask those to pick one forum over the other, you can't be a mod on both forums, so let me know or else I will pick a new moderator team in a couple of days after seeing where everyone stands. 

I still do not allow the topics like I mentioned before, so if you really believe that you have to talk about Front, Pablo or MJ's 55 year old ass in gold pants, then maybe the new forum is your place to be. I do not like where Front is heading AT ALL and I have always made my decisions in the member's best interest. If I didn't give a rat's ass then I would have left anyone/any topic on here and have 25K members and ads all over the place. But that is not my goal, my goal is to investigate, not to kiss ass, not even MJs's.

This forum will continue as it was with actual investigation and I hope there will still be members and moderators left that think alike.

Souza

Hi Souza, Thanks for putting the forum back up.

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while no one (except bec, Ijustcantstoplovingu and sweetsunsetwithmj) even took the time to send me an email and ask.

I've been away on business (setting up a new business) and just logged onto forum yesterday for the first time in a week and saw your message! Then today it was back up. I def would have messaged you if I saw it when it was first closed, I've always sent you well wishes, kind words etc in the past.

Hope you are ok and hope that this person (ESP IF YOU ARE READING) leaves you alone and respects that your personal life and the forum are two separate things.

I didn't even know that there was a 'new forum' and now that I know, and know that it is a "front forum" I personally want no part in it.
I personally disengaged from Twitter a month ago because all I was reading about was front. Everyone is obsessed. Besides the fact I do not believe it is MJ, I also do not believe it is Forum front. I get what people are saying about the photo's and hand writing and it all looks very convincing. But there are other tell tale signs (several in fact) that I am not going into in a bid to avoid an argument, but yes, tell tale signs that people are ignoring that indicate it is not forum front.

Just want to put it out there that MJDHI is my hoax home and I am happy to help mod if you need assistance. But I won't be on the forum everyday, only 2 to 3 times a week.

I think it is sad that mods here are going to the other forum, considering that thanks to this forum the last 4 years this has been the place that many have worked together to work out what we now know about the hoax.

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This forum will continue as it was with actual investigation and I hope there will still be members and moderators left that think alike.

You bet there is!

I not only agree, but applaud you needing to take the unpopular stand of keeping the forum clean and shutting it when required to protect your safety.


Love to all.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 01, 2013, 06:32:38 PM
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To have the forum suddenly disappear was a shock for sure.  Looking forward to hearing more about this predator.   ;D

I agree. Name and Shame!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 01, 2013, 06:35:49 PM
Aussie if Forum Front is not Twitter Front why Forum Front doesn't post anymore on here to keep us updated as he did before?? furthermore as I already said Forum and twitter Front posted a pic with Amsterdam t-shirt and same color, are you sure is not the same' It's too coincidental he started posting at the beginning of AEG trial + almost stopped to post here just posted that popcorn gif again that's all, hmmm... I know you believe he is the same but you are protecting yourself not to be hurt in case he tuns out to be somebody else, am I right??
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: marumjj on September 01, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
Hello Souza, the fact that many have not had contact with you does not mean that we do not care, I remain waiting for yours news, according to the message that appeared on the forum link.
I am very happy we are here again, thanks for keeping your house in order, I also I registered on the forum Front, see what happens there. As for the situation, you and Sehf have lived, I would like to be able to know something about the person who invaded, just to be careful. Thank you again!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 01, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
Because he STOPPED posting. (Forum Front) The person behind Twitter Front saw what we call in advertising, a "Gap in the Market"

Lol.

Honestly though, only a month ago I was 80% sure Twitter Front was Forum Front, after being a doubter for several months. Just before I completely got sucked in, I saw a few things that made me swing the other way. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am not. But after considering the tell tale signs, (that I saw anyway) my gut says it is not Forum Front. Yes the photos and handwriting may be compelling, however the tweets themselves indicate its not the same person.

I don't judge anyone or disrespect anyone that believes its the same as Forum Front. I even interacted with Twitter front once or twice. I believe each has their own opinion and I respect that. I just wanted to put it out there that I don't believe Twitter Front is forum Front, but I respect that people that subscribe to him or her.

Its jmo, but I think that TS, TS comments, Front did what they did on the forum and that they ran their course with those alias' and now those characters have expired. I don't believe they will be back.

If Front is Twitter front, then where is TS?

No, I think the lack of Front created a hole which someone else has jumped into.. And I agree that it is getting Front Cultish. In addition it is actually detracting away from actual hoax evidence. People are judging the hoax / hoaxers on Twitter Front and dismissing the notion of hoax because of the "Front Cult" (I have seen these tweets myself firsthand as I have many followers who aren't believers on My deactivated Twitter)

Again, I may be wrong. And that's ok. Its just what I think and I respect others that follow Twitter Front and think he's MJ. It's just not for me.
 
I also do tend to believe it is a woman because of the obsessive amount of time that Twitter Front spends online, unlike forum Front. Several tweets really appear to be written by a female. Obsessiveness is typical of female MJ fans.

But again, I am not going to go into all the tell tale signs, as I respect others and also am not into fighting / arguing. Not over Front anyways..


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Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 01, 2013, 07:07:00 PM
Aussie don't worry I know you don't mean disrespectful to the ones that follow Twitter Front but I am sure that if Forum and twitter Front were 2 different persons Forum Front would have warned us that twitter Front is a Troll the same way twitter Front is always warning us that Facebook Front is not him.
I know you all mean well when you warn the ones on twitter but my gut feelings say that he is Michael, let me crash against the wall first (lol spanish expression) I am ready for everything: Front not being Michael and no Michael's Bam after Oct 28 cause anything can happens in hoaxland  everyday I am losing more and more faith so I only have Front left cause the hoax is fading out I am just grasping at straws, it's sad I know it.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: MaryK on September 01, 2013, 07:14:31 PM
For now I will say this:

 :th_bravo: Aussie and of course Souza

I will elaborate tomorrow after a good night´s sleep  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: bec on September 01, 2013, 09:07:53 PM
I'm all for full disclosure.

This twitter front business is shady. New developments pretty much seal the deal. I wouldn't be surprised if it were ________ herself based on that tweet. She is that crazy.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 01, 2013, 09:42:36 PM
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I'm all for full disclosure.

This twitter front business is shady. New developments pretty much seal the deal. I wouldn't be surprised if it were ________ herself based on that tweet. She is that crazy.

Which tweet is this?
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: bec on September 01, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
The one advertising a new forum owned by a banned member who tried to cause a great deal of trouble here, has an ax to grind, and may not be all there.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 01, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
Wow. Just saw the new forum. I am so disappointed for Souza, our forum, our mods. Not cool @ all. Going to bite my tongue because I don't want to upset ppl and I can see its a sensitive topic, but wow... most of the members are MJDHI members... Loyalty anyone???


Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 02, 2013, 01:56:21 AM
Sorry sunset, forgot to answer this part of your post in my reply to you re my thoughts on Twtr Front.

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I know you believe he is the same but you are protecting yourself not to be hurt in case he tuns out to be somebody else, am I right??


No. Incorrect. I def don't think its the same person. When Twtr Front first appeared I thought it was not the same person. Then after all the hype I added / followed Twtr Front. Was courteous and even engaged with them by Twt and ReTwt on three occasions. Reviewed all the photo's over and over, and thought, hmm maybe the same person. It was at this point I was 80% convinced it was the same person. Then after actually going back to their very first post, reading every single tweet and following them for a month, as well as seeing hoards of people obsess and throw themselves at Twtr Front, I got put off. And then after paying close attention to how they write, the language / grammar used, the amount of tweets, frequency of tweets, amount of time spent online, the way MJ is referred to sounds most definitely 'fan-ish' and at times 'female'. After Twitter consuming too much of my time, and due to the Twitter/hoax world consisting mostly of Front worship, that's when I decided to axe my twitter account and stick to MJDH for hoaxing. (Think I even tweeted that)

I definitely don't pretend to myself it's not him to protect myself. There is nothing to protect myself from as I am not invested in Twtr Front, which was demonstrated by me being able to say 'whatever' and getting rid of my Twitter account. I have always worn my heart on my sleeve. I don't pretend something to myself to protect myself. That's not how I work, but I know that others employ this kind of thinking for themselves because it 'works' for them, but not me. I don't get 'hurt' by being wrong. It just means I'm wrong, and I don't give it any more meaning other than that.

I just had a genuine change of opinion (well not exactly "change", coz I was never convinced it was Forum Front) but about a month ago, I personally conclusively decided based on my gut and looking over all their tweets, including ones to me, that Twtr Front is a poser, because that is what works for me.

Now in light of the new forum I am wondering if it is in a bid to direct 'hoax traffic' to the new forum.

I know how you feel, Sunset. I've seen your tweets to Twtr Front and you know that I love you. So I respect your choice and the choice of other forum members. But Twtr Front doesn't sit well for me. I hope I don't offend you or anyone else. I know that many from the forum interact with Twtr Front throughout the day on a daily basis. It is bordering obsession, and whoever Twtr Front is, they are getting off on it. That is not for me, even IF Twtr Front were Michael Jackson, let alone Forum Front.

If I am wrong, that's ok. So be it.

It is inconsequential to me personally who Forum Front / Twitter Front is. It doesn't change any of the disconnected events and hoaxy evidence from 25.06.09. It doesn't change that he is alive. Take both Forum and Twitter Front away from the equation, (for me) and the hoax evidence is just as strong. If anything they were entertainment and their absence or subtraction of them do not change anything for me personally. I have always said that, about both TS and Front.

It doesn't affect my life or my belief in the hoax. So no, short answer, not pretending to myself. Simply over time, I decided not for me / Poser.

I could recall at least a dozen examples/tweets where Twtr Front gives away he/she is Poser and examples where the tweets sound very 'fan-ish' and sometimes 'female' but as I said in the outset, I'm not going there. I don't want to offend, and I certainly don't want to summon up other MJDHI members tweets that were involved in the interactions, so not going to argue on this one.

So tweets aside, in addition to them not being 'right' for me personally, another thing that threw me off was that Twitter Front illuded that the Paris suicide story was real. And I know that this is can-of-wormish, so don't want to go over it too much, considering how many people were sensitive about it the last time is was discussed on the forum. But the notion that the story was true to me is laughable, esp, because of the TMZ involvement. Twtr Front in a round about way 'verified' the story. I see and believe the story as part of the hoax. So for me, for Front to verify it as real, reveals (imo) them as not being forum Front or at least not MJ. In fact much of the 'disagreement' and people on the forum being 'offended' stemmed from Twtr Front verifying the Paris story.

But again, that's just my opinion.

I still love and respect all the Twtr Front followers. I just hope that they all stay loyal to this forum. But we all have freedom of choice.

Love to all! Esp to you Sunset!

Whoever created the new forum, I am happy for them if they can help people learn about the hoax. Where my issue is, is that Souza has worked very hard for years on this forum and it saddens me to think it will be abandoned after years of her hard work in making this place available for the hoax and wider community, just because Twtr Front (who may possibly be a hoaxer/fan) has joined another forum. If it weren't for this place many of us would't even know about the hoax or at least not in as much detail. It's kinda like being a 'user' in my opinion. Got all the good hoax info, but now hop over there because MJ (not!  :icon_rolleyes:) is there now...

Lots and lots of people, say "Thank you Souza, omg, Thank you Souza for this amazing place. Thank you for your hard work. Omg you are awesome. We are so grateful for your hard work. We love you blah blah blah".....  To that I say "Prove it"

Again, its about loyalty and actions speak louder than words





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Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: willddoMJ on September 02, 2013, 02:40:11 AM
internet privacy a hard thing to maintain as technology grow. this been icon forum that has changed over last 4 years for me anyways.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 02, 2013, 02:55:48 AM
Ok Aussie thanks for your replay I respect you 100% and I understand your reasons to not trust twitter Front but on the other hand I stuck to the idea that real MJ do really have the need to get in touch with his fans, believers or whatever after a long period of 4 years, it's well known that Michael liked to be hanging on the phone for hours talking with people and that he liked to be walking the crowded streets while in disguise, in one word, to have that normal life that he wasn't able to have, now throw this twitter account and protected under that nickname he is making his dream come true (not having his haters into account), in one of my tweets I told him that he was a Genius, Visionary and Angel he answers me: well yes I am a Visionary but not and angel and you know what he was right because I believe Michael has a devilish side protecting him against evil furthermore the tone of his poems are very similar to Forum Front and his hate to yellow tabloids.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 02, 2013, 02:59:45 AM
Not going to counter respond to your post even though in my mind I want to rebuttle and raise questions. so my only reply is that I love u sunset and respect our differences x
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Jos on September 02, 2013, 03:19:08 AM
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Wow. Just saw the new forum. I am so disappointed for Souza, our forum, our mods. Not cool @ all. Going to bite my tongue because I don't want to upset ppl and I can see its a sensitive topic, but wow... most of the members are MJDHI members... Loyalty anyone???

I will stay loyal to this forum, of course. But I've Always enjoyed Sim's work, and since she's not on twitter and facebook isn't my thing either, the new forum was a huge help for me, to see all her work when it will be online.

That is also the only reason btw. Because I would like to learn and investigate. :-)
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 02, 2013, 04:09:56 AM
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Not going to counter respond to your post even though in my mind I want to rebuttle and raise questions. so my only reply is that I love u sunset and respect our differences x

Love you more my sweet Aussie.

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 02, 2013, 04:28:41 AM
I would like to add that I have my own reasons to believe Twitter Front is Michael because how on earth did he know I was talking to Mrs Katherine Jackson on the Superior Court while my trip to L.A? In that tweet he called me Raquel instead of Sweetsunset or Swingset because he made it more personal due to he knows I am sure he is Michael and even he seemed a little bit annoyed by the gesture I have with his mom when I took her hand while talking to her, I asked him if he or she was angry to me (cause I was warned by one of her body guards not in that very moment but after lunch break) and Front said: not at all only stressed--->I don't think a member or whoever that may impersonates Front would bother to have a conversation the way he did, don't you think so??
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 02, 2013, 04:47:43 AM
This is not to you sunset, just to whoever is interested in reading.

Before I mentioned that Twtr front is detracting from the actual hoax, the reason why I say this, I forgot to mention that one of the saddest things I witnessed on Twitter right before I deactivated my account, was a conversation btw a bunch of non believers.

They were trashing all of us hoaxers saying how disrespectful blah blah blah, (ok nothing new) and other non believers were asking these people "Why do some fans believe he is alive?" (They had come across the hoax for the first time) and the replies from the 'deaders' were "Oh because some idiot named Front who has black hair and a EH shirt on twitter says he is MJ"

I thought, 'wow how sad', that the hoax community is starting to become 'defined' by Twitter Front, instead of people referring to the actual evidence. Instead of the deaders pointing to evidence to show why we believe MJ to be alive, they are pointing to twitter front which no doubt diverts people from looking at the facts. Fans everywhere think we believe what we believe all due to Twitter front. No wonder we are losing credibility. To me that was sad.

Twitter Front if you are reading here, please realise what you are actually doing. You are not helping the cause.

To everyone else (this one is to you sunset xx) who thinks that Twtr Front is all that they have left to hang onto... The evidence of hoax has been around much longer than Twitter front. Follow your head and not your heart and reflect on the VERY FIRST reasons why you started believing in the hoax... If Twitter Front is NOT your answer then, there is your answer!!! Hold on to that! Not onto the lack of a comeback and Twtr Front.

Love to all, stay strong. Michael is alive and this has to end...

MJ won't leave his legacy how it was written on 25.06.09. History will be re-written!

Love to all x
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 02, 2013, 04:51:00 AM
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I thought, 'wow how sad', that the hoax community is starting to become 'defined' by Twitter Front, instead of people referring to the actual evidence. Instead of the deaders pointing to evidence to show why we believe MJ to be alive, they are pointing to twitter front which no doubt diverts people from looking at the facts. Fans everywhere think we believe what we believe all due to Twitter front. No wonder we are losing credibility. To me that was sad.

Exactly! The hoax is turning into a freak show!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 02, 2013, 04:56:14 AM
I feel the need to reply here! For the past year I have entered this site from the index not from the home page. So when I kept getting an error message I thought forum is finally gone. When I was told about the new forum I thought "oh they started a new one in place of the other one." I never saw the message on the home page until a member emailed me in response to an email I sent her about this site being down.

Now I didn't personally read about any of the mess that has occurred on here lately. I got a tweet from another member here who mentioned it. So why did I not know these things? It's because of the lack of respect for the Jackson family that I was seeing here that I have not been on that much. Case in point the suicide incident with Paris! "Oh Michael must be laughing his ass off!" And more comments of that nature! It reminded me of a response I posted to what Sousa had posted back in 2012: “Lastly a note: I don't want any bash comments/threads anymore. Not about Joe, not about Jermaine, not about Karen Faye or anyone else. You can give your opinion, say you don't like a certain person while backing up why, but keep it respectful. When I see a comment that crosses a line, I will delete it without warning.”

And I replied:
“Thank you as well for that part!! And don't forget to mention Ms. Katherine! She's received a lot of bashing as well on this forum.

My mother taught me from a child that "If you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all!"

I've made it my business to notice if the people doing the bashing have joined Michael's Army of Love, and sad to say most of them have! That in itself speaks volumes to me. One of the definitions for "love" is "a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person." Maybe their love is only for Michael, and the rest of the world can go to hell in a hand basket!!

I know that Michael is reading the threads on this forum, so how do you all think he feels when he reads the things that people who claim to be in his Army of Love say about others especially his family and friends. Heck with some of the things that have been posted here regarding his family and friends he might as well be reading a tabloid!

And I say the same thing about the people who go back and forth with each other.   argue/ How do you think that makes Michael feel? Huh? I pray that he does what I do, and that is skip over certain individual's posts! How many people have you all heard over the past almost two years say how Micheal was so even tempered and handled problems with others without raising his voice and getting angry? Lots of them!!

This is just an off the wall thought I've had for a long time, what if when Michael returned, he decided to select some people who had participated in this forum to be special guests of his at some type of affair based on their attitude on this forum? Would I make the cut, would you make the cut? Just something to make you go hummmmmm! Think about it.

To all the bashers and hell-raisers out there, I'm not afraid to say that this site is not about you, it's about Michael!!! State your opinion and move on! And then maybe, just maybe, some of the threads wouldn't be so long! Now that's just my opinion! I'm done! So don't bother to post "@" me, I won't be responding!”

God made us all free will individuals. So in answer to the question, "where is the loyalty?" I don't venture to speak for anyone else, but as for me it's got nothing to do with loyalty, but everything to do with respect! The words that Leilani posted in her post in regards to Paris’ suicide attempt still ring loudly in my ears and I quote: “Right now I feel ashamed for being within and associating the Hoax community that I have decided to disassociate as much as possible.” God says in His word although you may not be committing the wrong, if you go along with those who are, you are as guilty as they are! I have enough sin of my own to stay in repentance about!

As far as members on this forum being on the new forum, many of them probably like me, thinking this site was gone for good, wanted a replacement forum to continue to follow the hoax until it's over. It’s sad to begrudge someone for starting another forum and the people for joining it. I do believe there is room for another forum on this internet!

And yes I’m on Twitter now and reading Front’s posts. I am not a fan of Front just like I was never a fan of Michael Jackson! I would not have signed up for Twitter, if people on this forum had not been posting snippets of what Front was hinting about the trial. Because this was an investigation site, I decided to investigate and read them for myself rather than read 2nd hand snippets! The backlash this man gets saddens my heart, but I am not surprised considering the spirit that is loose in this world!

Sorry for the long post. But people here ought to know me by now. I do get diarrhea at the mouth when the facts aren’t straight. That’s the way God made me!

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove!


Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: MJonmind on September 02, 2013, 05:12:36 AM
Aussie, I remain absolutely loyal to this forum (my second home for 4 years), and every time it is down I am devastated. As other times, I checked the various places for word from Souza on what was happening and saw nothing, but don't seem to have the links some do. And when I joined PL's forum, this forum was down; no one again was sure if it was truly the end. I am a member of several other MJ forums as well, so I don't see how this has anything to do with loyalty.

Souza, I noticed that I am no longer a mod. May I ask why? I was not asked to be a mod on PL's forum, but am merely a member. If it was something I said in conversation with you yesterday about Front, I apologize didn't mean to come across as arguing, just trying to think things through. But in any case, I do appreciate the experience I did have as a mod, and thank you for it. I'm always extremely thankful for this place and all you've done.



Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 02, 2013, 05:22:13 AM
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I feel the need to reply here! For the past year I have entered this site from the index not from the home page. So when I kept getting an error message I thought forum is finally gone. When I was told about the new forum I thought "oh they started a new one in place of the other one." I never saw the message on the home page until a member emailed me in response to an email I sent her about this site being down.

This forum is about the only MJ related place online that does NOT tolerate Jackson Family bashing. In fact Mods have gone to every effort to curb Jackson bashing as soon as it rears its ugly head.

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Now I didn't personally read about any of the mess that has occurred on here lately. I got a tweet from another member here who mentioned it. So why did I not know these things? It's because of the lack of respect for the Jackson family that I was seeing here that I have not been on that much. Case in point the suicide incident with Paris! "Oh Michael must be laughing his ass off!" And more comments of that nature! It reminded me of a response I posted to what Sousa had posted back in 2012: “Lastly a note: I don't want any bash comments/threads anymore. Not about Joe, not about Jermaine, not about Karen Faye or anyone else. You can give your opinion, say you don't like a certain person while backing up why, but keep it respectful. When I see a comment that crosses a line, I will delete it without warning.”


Not believing the Paris story does not equate to being disrespectful. It's the EXACT same thing as believing he is not dead is not disrespectful. This is the beautiful thing. You get to choose what you believe.

Still can't fathom why people don't believe the Paris story get tarred and feathered by the same people who believe MJ faked his death and put Paris on center stage to the world to perpetuate the lie...

(http://images.smh.com.au/2009/07/09/624690/420parisjackson-420x0.jpg)


I still don't get why people who believe the Paris story, can't just let those who don't believe it just have their belief without being hurt.

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I know that Michael is reading the threads on this forum, so how do you all think he feels when he reads the things that people who claim to be in his Army of Love say about others especially his family and friends. Heck with some of the things that have been posted here regarding his family and friends he might as well be reading a tabloid!

Lol at the irony. Its kinda the same as the Jackson family watching the world read and watch how Michael died.

The controversy is a natural by-product.

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And I say the same thing about the people who go back and forth with each other.   argue/ How do you think that makes Michael feel? Huh? I pray that he does what I do, and that is skip over certain individual's posts! How many people have you all heard over the past almost two years say how Micheal was so even tempered and handled problems with others without raising his voice and getting angry? Lots of them!!

I think it is expected and that Michael is relishing in the controversy he is creating. Isn't that what he has always done??

Provocateur much?

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This is just an off the wall thought I've had for a long time, what if when Michael returned, he decided to select some people who had participated in this forum to be special guests of his at some type of affair based on their attitude on this forum? Would I make the cut, would you make the cut? Just something to make you go hummmmmm! Think about it.


Certainly wouldn't make me change any of the things I have said.

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As far as members on this forum being on the new forum, many of them probably like me, thinking this site was gone for good, wanted a replacement forum to continue to follow the hoax until it's over. It’s sad to begrudge someone for starting another forum and the people for joining it. I do believe there is room for another forum on this internet!

I think the more info about the hoax the better. I never begrudged anyone starting a forum. It was the detraction from evidence because of the idolisation of potentially a dangerous person that saddens me.

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Sorry for the long post. But people here ought to know me by now. I do get diarrhea at the mouth when the facts aren’t straight. That’s the way God made me!

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove!

I applaud your openness and respect your opinion and right to verbalise how you feel. I don't think anyone is in a position to say anything is 100% certainly wright or wrong.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 02, 2013, 05:24:40 AM
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Aussie, I remain absolutely loyal to this forum (my second home for 4 years), and every time it is down I am devastated. As other times, I checked the various places for word from Souza on what was happening and saw nothing, but don't seem to have the links some do. And when I joined PL's forum, this forum was down; no one again was sure if it was truly the end. I am a member of several other MJ forums as well, so I don't see how this has anything to do with loyalty.


Agree to disagree. And its everyone's right to do what they wish. I just think in light of the circumstances it raises loyalty issues.

But that is how I feel.   :smiley_abuv: You x

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: mattie on September 02, 2013, 07:08:05 AM
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Wow. Just saw the new forum. I am so disappointed for Souza, our forum, our mods. Not cool @ all. Going to bite my tongue because I don't want to upset ppl and I can see its a sensitive topic, but wow... most of the members are MJDHI members... Loyalty anyone???

I will stay loyal to this forum, of course. But I've Always enjoyed Sim's work, and since she's not on twitter and facebook isn't my thing either, the new forum was a huge help for me, to see all her work when it will be online.

That is also the only reason btw. Because I would like to learn and investigate. :-)

+1

I was afraid it was final..and i could not find any member to ask what was going on.
I tried to E-Mail..and send a fried/follow request to Souza on her Twitter..no respons..Facebook also  give no answers..i asked people on the net(there are also people who talk with respect about Souza)Trolls are everywere,on every website and i dont talk to them.
In surfing the Internet i found at last the new forum..and the familiar names..so i can ask what was going to happen..and i was happy i found them.
I feel for Souza and Sehf and what they had to go trough.
But dont say i am not loyal or i dont care..if that was the case i would not have search the Internet for day's
I care verry much about the people here!
I also like to read Front(Read..dont worship and dont care for goldpants)..and Sim..and on other website's..is that wrong??
That does not mean i am not loyal,because this is my place from the start  4 years ago..zo please dont be so judge mental.
I am happy to see the forum up again..and see every thing is (i hope) okay with Souza and Sehf.
Normaly i just read and looke for myself,because i find it difficuld expres myself in English.
But this hurts,so thats the reason for my first long post. :(
Mattie

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 02, 2013, 07:40:10 AM
Just wanna say that I don't mean to offend anyone by bringing up the loyalty thing. It's just how I feel in light of the 'us and them'  situation that has been created. If people share a different opinion regarding the loyalty thing, then that's ok. I personally don't dine @ two tables because I feel for me it would be disrespectful and I wouldn't be being true to myself. There is such a hatred for MJDHI (and Souza) in the hoax community, so why and how on earth could I be a part of something that despises and attacks the very thing I am a part of (me being an MJDHI member) I'd find it hypercritical, if I on one hand were saying I love and support everything ur doing Souza and respect and love this forum, but then are associated with others in the community who hate and slander the very hoax forum I am part of. Can you see why it's weird for me? We ARE the forum. Why, would I engage with people that hate something I am part of.

Again, I am not holding others to my standard. It's a standard that I hold myself to as it raises loyalty issues for me. Perhaps conflict of interest is a better term. I have said repeatedly I respect front followers and people's right to difference in opinion. This is my opinion, which I choose for me, not for others.

 :smiley_abuv: to all




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Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: bec on September 02, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
Loyalty is something displayed over time, or builds over time, rather. This incident doesn't change anything, but it does provide further confirmation. I don't have a problem with where or how people spend their time online. It makes no difference to me. I personally have several sites I frequent on a daily basis. Comment on some, lurk n read on others. I'm sure there's many other people who do the same. That is not the point. The point is, given enough time, true colors always come out and sooner or later, enough is enough and it's time to clean out the trash. It's a routine chore n nothing more. A clean home equates a clean life.

The twitter front thing is disturbing. Something is very wrong there, very off, not right, and the further we move forward, and the more time passes, the more off kilter it is showing to be. Time is indeed the greatest equalizer and it's certainly not twitter front's friend.

Regarding credibility, I am glad ____________'s montages are gone from this site, as they were embarrassing, and it was impossible to set the record straight without totally offending her and getting every thread she ever posted in off the tracks. She's also a huge hot head so it's impossible to debate anything with her, any attempt at civil discourse went completely out the window as soon as she hit reply now, so there's a sigh of relief there. We may have little to no credibility but we don't need to look like idiotic fools. There's plenty of info out there that will leave the most staunch deader at a loss to explain it away, we don't need to support clearly false leads and ridiculously disingenuous connections. The collective IQ of this site dropped every time she posted one of those silly montages so this is a huge upgrade. In my opinion of course.

Bottom line, we move forward with the site intact thanks as always to Souza. 4 years running, she has provided the community with this pillar and the community does little to thank her for it. That said, if the thanklessness of this job mattered much to her this place would have been long gone years ago. It matters to me on principle for her, but Souza always manages to rise above and put her personal feelings aside in the end. But that is why she is Admin and I was just a member for so long. I'm not cut out for this like she is. Again, character. Actions speak louder then words. I knew 4 years ago she was someone special, knew it in my gut, and no amount of online drama, gossip, smear campaigns, or illicit he-said-she-said crap n nonsense can change what I know instinctively to be the truth, and trust me, we have seen it all. This is not my first rodeo. 

Carrying onward, my hoaxers.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 02, 2013, 09:45:55 AM
I don't think it's a loyalty issue here, but hey that's just me, I respect other opinions  :smiley_abuv: As far as I am concerned, I have been a member of this forum for 3+ years. When I noticed that the forum was down, there was a moment that I felt lost about that it was gone for good, because I I haven't seen a message of Souza such as "we'll be back later" or something. I admit I should have sent her an email (I sent her mails the other times when the forum was down), but I decided to just wait and see. Then I noticed Souza's words on the main site with the message that website is offline until further notice and that she had to deal with this person who's invading their privacy. So I understood that Souza & SEHF were having a hard time and needed time to settle things, which is totally understandable. In the meantime I got myself registered on the new Backtofront forum, which got my support too, but I don't consider it as a replacement of this forum. It is also a forum concerning MJ hoax with its own characteristics. This has nothing to do with 'going to the other camp' imho with all due respect. I'm a member of BOTH forums. It's all for L.O.V.E. (twice lol)

Love and respect to you ALL    :bearhug:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: susieMJ on September 02, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
First of all I'm truly glad that this forum is back because i consider it as one of the few (if not the only) places on the internet that take this hoax seriously and INVESTIGATE it... So thank you billion times Souza for keeping this forum what it should be ;)

As for the "new" Front's forum - i find it just really really disturbing and strange... Whoever twitter Front is, I believe that his forum is nothing good for the hoax community... First of all it divides people (those who follow Front/not), it leads non-believers in the wrong direction (deaders who get interested in Front on twitter will end up looking for info on his forum and i don't think they'll find any "serious" hoax info there) and finally it leads the hoax in a "superficial" direction... "Gold Pants" being one of the main threads on the forum is truly disturbing and not serious at ALL... I mean come on - what's this hoax about? With all those pretty sh*tty threads on Front's forum how credible we are to non-believers? And the Front's cult is also very annoying - what has this person done to become the centre of the hoax? I mean ok, Forum Front was interesting...but Twitter front? Isn't it too much? I thought it was Michael's hoax and we were there for him...but i guess it's not enough for some people...oh wait I take back my words as some people believe Front IS Michael.........
Well, back to the subject, I understand that some people follow him bcs he gives them hope in those pretty hard hoax times...but please do not let yourself be distracted from what's really important in this hoax...
I saw that TS is also mentioned on Front's forum and i find it strange too... I know that TS somehow validated Forum Front..,but he did nothing for Twitter Front...so why is Front using all his info on his forum? To make it similar to MJHDI? Idk...

I just find the "new" forum very fishy as i don't really get its purpose...maybe Front wants a place where he'll be in the centre of people's attention as he knows there are many anti-Twitter Front on MJHDI... I have no idea just thinking out loud here... And please i don't want to sound disrespectful to anyone here who follows Front - i truly respect your opinion ;) I'm only afraid that Twitter Front is leading this hoax community to a dead end...

Anyway keep the faith!!!! Love to all :)
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Do on September 02, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
Hey Souza, thanks for putting the forum back up, I had serious withdrawal symptoms! I don't have twitter or facebook and I'm not a member/reader of any other forum so you might understand that I was a little bit lost...! Hope everything is OK for you and SEHF now!
Laat jezelf niet kisten hè, vergeet niet dat je een sterke, nuchtere en 'tough' Nederlandse dame bent, die kunnen heel wat hebben! :beerchug:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: blankie on September 02, 2013, 03:09:41 PM
When I saw , days ago, that the MJDHI was no longer on line,I was afraid of losing my friends as was  happened with the italian site of which I was a member after June 25.
I enrolled in the new forum ,for this reason ,without even knowing that Pure Love is a banner member of MJDHI (however, was very kind with me), thinking that MJDHI would not come back never again.
Has never been important for me to know if  front is MJ. I honestly think that he is not, but I consider him  a kind  person.
The only thing that interests me is to read news  from and about   Michael , dividend emotions with all those who think like me .
But I can not be in two forums so different but equal to each other, is not correct for me and for all other. 
My heart is here, this evening  or tomorrow at the latest, ,as I think is right, I will explain my reasons to the new forum  and ask them to delete my account .
I used a little more  my Twitter account in these two months, FB less than less.But now, enough with them, have created confusion and stress in me.

 I hope that  come back soon for Souza and SEHF  their normal life....Also this made me think a lot , because I do not understand why certain things happen....

I can only say that this experience taught me a lot.


Love you all.





Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: RememberHisTime on September 03, 2013, 03:41:01 AM
This might be an unpopular opinion here and I certainly do not mean any disrespect to Souza and others, but I don't see a loyalty issue here. I had no idea that another forum had been created recently and I still don't know what it is, having never visited the website, but the way I see it is that people who joined it are either victims of the trolls that led them there, or are simply going there out of free will. I'm not surprised that, during this forum's brief absence, that people would naturally look elsewhere to discuss the hoax and Michael. You can't control other people's actions, and instead of seeing it as a disloyal move, maybe these people did not have all the facts before they joined this other forum, or are simply observing over there, I don't know. As long as this forum remains clean of all the BS, as Souza strives to do, people will continue to appreciate being here imo without having to "choose" between one site or another.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Rouxie on September 03, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
I felt like being in a total state of Shock ! when i clicked on MJDHI and saw it down and saw the MSG i was really Lost
Hated the word of the "Old Forum" and i can't describe how glad I'm seeing this forum back again !
whatever happens i will keep backing this forum up that's what i care for ..

And i Genuinely Wish For Souza and SEHF the best ! May Love and Happiness Fill your Lives ♥   :bearhug:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: blankie on September 03, 2013, 02:56:17 PM
I want to specify that Souza did not require  to choose a forum or the other.The  decision I mentioned is only mine, comes from within me, from my thoughts and feelings. Fear, sometimes plays tricks. This is all,  at least on my part.   :compute:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: RK on September 03, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
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I want to specify that Souza did not require  to choose a forum or the other.The  decision I mentioned is only mine, comes from within me, from my thoughts and feelings. Fear, sometimes plays tricks. This is all,  at least on my part.   :compute:

Same for me lovely Blankie.   :bearhug:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: mjj4ever777 on September 03, 2013, 09:38:10 PM
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I feel the need to reply here! For the past year I have entered this site from the index not from the home page. So when I kept getting an error message I thought forum is finally gone. When I was told about the new forum I thought "oh they started a new one in place of the other one." I never saw the message on the home page until a member emailed me in response to an email I sent her about this site being down.

Now I didn't personally read about any of the mess that has occurred on here lately. I got a tweet from another member here who mentioned it. So why did I not know these things? It's because of the lack of respect for the Jackson family that I was seeing here that I have not been on that much. Case in point the suicide incident with Paris! "Oh Michael must be laughing his ass off!" And more comments of that nature! It reminded me of a response I posted to what Sousa had posted back in 2012: “Lastly a note: I don't want any bash comments/threads anymore. Not about Joe, not about Jermaine, not about Karen Faye or anyone else. You can give your opinion, say you don't like a certain person while backing up why, but keep it respectful. When I see a comment that crosses a line, I will delete it without warning.”

And I replied:
“Thank you as well for that part!! And don't forget to mention Ms. Katherine! She's received a lot of bashing as well on this forum.

My mother taught me from a child that "If you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all!"

I've made it my business to notice if the people doing the bashing have joined Michael's Army of Love, and sad to say most of them have! That in itself speaks volumes to me. One of the definitions for "love" is "a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person." Maybe their love is only for Michael, and the rest of the world can go to hell in a hand basket!!

I know that Michael is reading the threads on this forum, so how do you all think he feels when he reads the things that people who claim to be in his Army of Love say about others especially his family and friends. Heck with some of the things that have been posted here regarding his family and friends he might as well be reading a tabloid!

And I say the same thing about the people who go back and forth with each other.   argue/ How do you think that makes Michael feel? Huh? I pray that he does what I do, and that is skip over certain individual's posts! How many people have you all heard over the past almost two years say how Micheal was so even tempered and handled problems with others without raising his voice and getting angry? Lots of them!!

This is just an off the wall thought I've had for a long time, what if when Michael returned, he decided to select some people who had participated in this forum to be special guests of his at some type of affair based on their attitude on this forum? Would I make the cut, would you make the cut? Just something to make you go hummmmmm! Think about it.

To all the bashers and hell-raisers out there, I'm not afraid to say that this site is not about you, it's about Michael!!! State your opinion and move on! And then maybe, just maybe, some of the threads wouldn't be so long! Now that's just my opinion! I'm done! So don't bother to post "@" me, I won't be responding!”

God made us all free will individuals. So in answer to the question, "where is the loyalty?" I don't venture to speak for anyone else, but as for me it's got nothing to do with loyalty, but everything to do with respect! The words that Leilani posted in her post in regards to Paris’ suicide attempt still ring loudly in my ears and I quote: “Right now I feel ashamed for being within and associating the Hoax community that I have decided to disassociate as much as possible.” God says in His word although you may not be committing the wrong, if you go along with those who are, you are as guilty as they are! I have enough sin of my own to stay in repentance about!

As far as members on this forum being on the new forum, many of them probably like me, thinking this site was gone for good, wanted a replacement forum to continue to follow the hoax until it's over. It’s sad to begrudge someone for starting another forum and the people for joining it. I do believe there is room for another forum on this internet!

And yes I’m on Twitter now and reading Front’s posts. I am not a fan of Front just like I was never a fan of Michael Jackson! I would not have signed up for Twitter, if people on this forum had not been posting snippets of what Front was hinting about the trial. Because this was an investigation site, I decided to investigate and read them for myself rather than read 2nd hand snippets! The backlash this man gets saddens my heart, but I am not surprised considering the spirit that is loose in this world!

Sorry for the long post. But people here ought to know me by now. I do get diarrhea at the mouth when the facts aren’t straight. That’s the way God made me!

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove!


God Bless you OTWL...So much "Division" when clearly Michael is all about "Unity" and LOVE! I just don't get why people continue their judgement" of others because they "act" like Michael...we should ALL, "act" like Michael, cause that is the ONLY way we can make a difference in this world...it is our individual responsibility, and it is always our "Choice"... to be LOVE, or support the negativity...I choose LOVE....I LOVE you dear friend stay Beautiful!

I keep ALL of you in my hearts and prayers, because we are all Brothers and sisters and I send you all LOVE because first and foremost...LOVE is the only thing that really matters...LOVE and unity!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Adi on September 03, 2013, 10:29:32 PM
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I feel the need to reply here! For the past year I have entered this site from the index not from the home page. So when I kept getting an error message I thought forum is finally gone. When I was told about the new forum I thought "oh they started a new one in place of the other one." I never saw the message on the home page until a member emailed me in response to an email I sent her about this site being down.

Now I didn't personally read about any of the mess that has occurred on here lately. I got a tweet from another member here who mentioned it. So why did I not know these things? It's because of the lack of respect for the Jackson family that I was seeing here that I have not been on that much. Case in point the suicide incident with Paris! "Oh Michael must be laughing his ass off!" And more comments of that nature! It reminded me of a response I posted to what Sousa had posted back in 2012: “Lastly a note: I don't want any bash comments/threads anymore. Not about Joe, not about Jermaine, not about Karen Faye or anyone else. You can give your opinion, say you don't like a certain person while backing up why, but keep it respectful. When I see a comment that crosses a line, I will delete it without warning.”

And I replied:
“Thank you as well for that part!! And don't forget to mention Ms. Katherine! She's received a lot of bashing as well on this forum.

My mother taught me from a child that "If you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all!"

I've made it my business to notice if the people doing the bashing have joined Michael's Army of Love, and sad to say most of them have! That in itself speaks volumes to me. One of the definitions for "love" is "a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person." Maybe their love is only for Michael, and the rest of the world can go to hell in a hand basket!!

I know that Michael is reading the threads on this forum, so how do you all think he feels when he reads the things that people who claim to be in his Army of Love say about others especially his family and friends. Heck with some of the things that have been posted here regarding his family and friends he might as well be reading a tabloid!

And I say the same thing about the people who go back and forth with each other.   argue/ How do you think that makes Michael feel? Huh? I pray that he does what I do, and that is skip over certain individual's posts! How many people have you all heard over the past almost two years say how Micheal was so even tempered and handled problems with others without raising his voice and getting angry? Lots of them!!

This is just an off the wall thought I've had for a long time, what if when Michael returned, he decided to select some people who had participated in this forum to be special guests of his at some type of affair based on their attitude on this forum? Would I make the cut, would you make the cut? Just something to make you go hummmmmm! Think about it.

To all the bashers and hell-raisers out there, I'm not afraid to say that this site is not about you, it's about Michael!!! State your opinion and move on! And then maybe, just maybe, some of the threads wouldn't be so long! Now that's just my opinion! I'm done! So don't bother to post "@" me, I won't be responding!”

God made us all free will individuals. So in answer to the question, "where is the loyalty?" I don't venture to speak for anyone else, but as for me it's got nothing to do with loyalty, but everything to do with respect! The words that Leilani posted in her post in regards to Paris’ suicide attempt still ring loudly in my ears and I quote: “Right now I feel ashamed for being within and associating the Hoax community that I have decided to disassociate as much as possible.” God says in His word although you may not be committing the wrong, if you go along with those who are, you are as guilty as they are! I have enough sin of my own to stay in repentance about!

As far as members on this forum being on the new forum, many of them probably like me, thinking this site was gone for good, wanted a replacement forum to continue to follow the hoax until it's over. It’s sad to begrudge someone for starting another forum and the people for joining it. I do believe there is room for another forum on this internet!

And yes I’m on Twitter now and reading Front’s posts. I am not a fan of Front just like I was never a fan of Michael Jackson! I would not have signed up for Twitter, if people on this forum had not been posting snippets of what Front was hinting about the trial. Because this was an investigation site, I decided to investigate and read them for myself rather than read 2nd hand snippets! The backlash this man gets saddens my heart, but I am not surprised considering the spirit that is loose in this world!

Sorry for the long post. But people here ought to know me by now. I do get diarrhea at the mouth when the facts aren’t straight. That’s the way God made me!

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove!

Wonderful post OTWOL!! 

Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: Its her on September 04, 2013, 02:32:26 AM
SHEEEESH! I must say I am so relieved that this Forum reappeared :icon_exclaim: I've read all that you guys have said in this thread---its subject being the first thing on my mind, and I also have to say that it is not disloyal to amuse ones' self on the dock if you've been left ashore with no ship in sight.  :affraid: :icon_e_surprised: :confused: :icon_eek: :fresse: :errrr: :over-react-smiley:

NEVER worry about that; that is NOT being disloyal.  :bearhug: Sometime cr@p just happens, requiring desperate, emergency measures. (On BOTH sides.) Souza always scrambles to stay afloat, as any good captain will. Just give her a moment. We probably don't want to know what kind of evil she has been personally battling for her being at the helm of MJDHI, but it's not like we can't imagine it--as I remember, this Forum only came to be because the other admins originally got tormented to death in their personal lives, threw up their hands and bowed out.

I am happy that Souza has the fight in her to maintain, even for a while more. I still think that someday, something will happen, which will drive THE WORLD over here, to THIS  :icon_bounce: "GO TO!!" Hoax site, looking for answers, and I believe Souza has worked all this time to that end as well, so... 

:icon_rolleyes: I even had to  :icon_e_confused: tell mySELF, last week, to just, "HAVE A LITTLE TRUST". :icon_e_smile:


I want to say also, that whether T-Front is the same one who was here isn't really something to spend a whole lot of time on, either, unless you have time to do so. He is who he is, another mystery person on the internet---and, if anyone wants to wonder about him, just do what works: hide and watch, while inspecting the fruit this character is bearing. :icon_e_geek:

I haven't seen some of the things you talked about here, so maybe I am not querying the same tweeters, but I have an opinion, mostly formed from talking with unBeLIEvers, and becoming familiar with some of the things we know MJ has done. Some one already said it, that controversy is one of MJ's favorite tools. He has never started something hurtful, or which compels us to fight with one another, but he HAS stirred the public pot simply because he CAN, :bowdown: very expertly, and I think maybe that sweet Romantic is possibly going after his unBeLIEvers in a different way, sort of like an "away game", on an OTHER turf....It's not disloyal to follow your team to an away game; just don't pull up stakes at home to move in there. :'(

If it's not him, great---another investigation (loose end) wrapped up. :th_bravo: But if it is MJ's handiwork, do we want to hear about it secondhand by those who ARE watching Twitter, TOO? Idk, but I personally don't like my cabbage already chewed before I get it.  :TongueOutSmiley: ;D And, Souza already HAS a link to Twitter here, anyway, so it's all good.  ;) Don't be afraid to think for yourself and do what you need to, to stay above the coating of cr@p attempting to bury the truth all over.

I have had "discussions" with die hard fans who believe MJ is gone for good, and I KNOW our guest count (here) goes up slightly when I leave our site address out for them to "peer in" (when it is up and live), but for some reason they don't register or stay, unless they are using different names than what I know them as...When fans DO get it that they have been wrong about things, it is hard to begin to research openly, without feeling foolish, and I just imagine that they would feel more "safe" with a bunch of other new "beLIEvers, at least at first, as they get their feet wet in Hoax Facts. Idk. Just a thought. They'll come over here for SOLID reassurance once they feel some kindred spirits, here. :smiley_abuv:

I'm thinking that MAYbe they feel uncomfortable, after being "mistaken" so long, in being on a forum where everyone knows everything but them, and MAYbe MJ has his own emissary visiting Twitter, on a mission of Peace, to reclaim his lost sheep directly, without going through us here. It is his hoax; he can do whatever he wants, and he WILL leave controversy in his wake! Folks just LOVE an excuse to fight anonymously, and sometimes ALL he has to do is SHOW UP acting all MJ, in front of people who "read his autopsy" and think they know better.

If TF IS the real deal, he WILL eventually sent them over here, where EVERYTHING a Hoaxer could want to know has been painstakingly explained with much joy and admiration and love! So, no worries.

Thank you, Souza. I appreciate your guts! I'm happy to hear you are not alone, too. Congrats and magic glitter dust to you both :multiplespotting: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: MJonmind on September 04, 2013, 03:07:49 AM
Its Her, Glory Hallelujah! Missed ya!
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 04, 2013, 03:48:13 AM
Oh hey gurrrll...its so weird that you posted when you did @Its her.

Btw I know some of you are doubting that twitter front is forum front but twitter front talked about logging onto the forum saying he did post not so long ago when he was asked. Coincidentally he posted the same day or next day. If he wasn't forum front why log in and somewhat give a validation like that (although its a weak validation)...if twitter front does not = forum front, then why did forum front log in when he did (validating a fake), also that was the last time he posted. I was going to check the date of his post but his posts are gone but I am sure.
Title: Re: Forum down the last couple of days
Post by: blankie on September 04, 2013, 03:12:36 PM
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I want to specify that Souza did not require  to choose a forum or the other.The  decision I mentioned is only mine, comes from within me, from my thoughts and feelings. Fear, sometimes plays tricks. This is all,  at least on my part.   :compute:

Same for me lovely Blankie.   :bearhug:

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