Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: mrbigshot on June 25, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
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Well, evidently we have officially reached four years since the death (re-birth) of Michael Jackson. As the climactic events unfolded since that time, How have your thoughts, perceptions on the matter significantly impacted YOUR world since the announcement? For many of us, it came as a complete and utter shock. Now that we have reached the point in time in which we have four years to get this circus correct, as michael loosely put it, do you still believe we are going coming to our conclusion? or something of the sort. This is just a thread essentially expressing our thoughts and opinions regarding michael jackson's alleged death in general, how it has impacted your lives..(if at all) etc. Let us set aside all the investigative clues and take us back to that moment on this day (I think it was announced at 2pm actually) that michael had passed away, as only the media announced it followed by Jermaine.
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My hopes of seeing him again he disappeared. :-\
But my love for him grows every day.
He will not return, but I know he's alive! :moonwalk_: :michael-jackson:
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Oh and by the way,
Michael said See You In July, because This Is It.
This is an emphasizing point of contention!
if michael said it...
I think July is our month. for at least something monumental that will prove his physical existence on this earth and he will materialize.
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its strange nothing is going on today regarding his alleged death
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He will not return, but I know he's alive! :moonwalk_: :michael-jackson:
I used to think like this too. Then I realized he will come back.
He will come back in his own time.
I think July is our month. for at least something monumental that will prove his physical existence on this earth and he will materialize.
I think the trial has to end before the BAM. But yes, who knows.
its strange nothing is going on today regarding his alleged death
The day is not over yet. :icon_e_biggrin:
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In LA, it is only 12:19 pm. (Just after lunch).
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Fustrating isn't it :icon_rolleyes:
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I... feel very confused.
My heart goes "Chill, he's fine- alive and well."
But the nagging voice in my head (that powerfully affects my heart, too) is telling me...maybe not.
What with Paris' suicide-attempt (missing her dad way too much? understandable) recently, this AEG trial mes, all kinds of other stuff going on that I don't even care to learn details of...
The last time I felt confident was when Conrad Murray was being interviewed by Anderson Cooper- and what a strange interview that was.
I kept hearing Michael's voice coming from Conrad. Michael.
With some odd accent he put to his voice to disguise it. Michael.
Talking about the oddest things, breaking randomly into song, in that familiar soft voice....
Michael...
But now I'm just back into uncertainty when I remember his kids and how they're getting along in their own lives.
Somewhat clearly lacking Michael's presence.
All I want is to know the truth again, to remember, and to learn everything, starting from right now.
I don't want to feel that awful pain of doubt, or like I'm just a fool looking through rose-tinted glasses, ever again.
Especially with how the 1 or 2 people I've told that I believe MJ is alive thinks I'm absolutely crazy and stupid. (and..maybe I am.. x.x)
I'll never give up on Michael, but I'm afraid of being wrong again.
Does anyone else feel this way?
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I feel more confident then ever and I'm cautiously optimistic that we will have a bamsday.
I knew on day one, 6/25/09, you have to watch this guy (MJ) because things are not always what they seem with him and faking his death would be right up his alley. I wasn't convinced we had something here until 7/17/09 when I stumbled across mjhd.com and the ambulance pic and backing out footage. I hadn't seen any of that stuff until then. But put it together with my initial instincts on day one, the memorial I had already seen with the slide of Liberian Girl MJ behind the camera, the sister's strange comments about Family First and Fans second... and Marlon's weird MJ in disguise story ("you're right there, MJ, you're right there"----->Hatman/Blonde) and Paris's complete lack of real tears, and I was hooked. Come more Liberian Girl pics at the burial and it was hook-line-sinker--no going back.
I'm at a peacefully calm place. After each round of soul searching I become more n more at ease with this, to where I am today, which is very calm, very quietly confident. Nothing that happens can undo what has already been done, nor make me unsee that which I have already seen.
If anyone had given me the inside scoop in the summer of 09 that we would still be here 4 years later I would have laughed them off the boards. And probably did. I was pretty sure we would have a Halloween bamsday that year. Show's how much I know. Show's how much I learned in 4 years about patience, perseverance, faith, and self confidence. If you "know" it's coming, it doesn't matter how long it takes. Just because the sun isn't up at 3:05 am doesn't mean it won't rise at dawn.
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Still here... and will be here till "The end" when ever it may be.
Patience is a virtue and I've learned a lot since day one. I'm thankful for that and I would NEVER have missed it.
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i am still here as well, and i am going to stay here as long the forum keeps up.
four years, looking back it doesnt feel that long.
I am happy that i ran into this place, a place for me called a Home.
Love to you all. happy that i had the chance to meet you all here, you have becoming very precious to me.
<3 Shy
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I have been here since July 09 and I WILL REMAIN HERE. Loving the great show that only Michael can bring to us. i LOVE this forum and every one here. :bearhug: :woohoo2: :icon_bounce:
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Stil here..and wil be til the end.
My story how it started is almost the same as Bec.
I was sometimes frustrated that it tooke so long,and nothing on each Bamsday happened..But i learned to be patient.
Because i know for sure that nothing was what it seemed to be..so there must be a reason for that.
Now i am okay and see what happens. :icon_cool:
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I never thought I would be here for 4 years, because I'm not the kind of person who is obsessed with celebrities. Never thought I would collect all different kinds of information, compare photos, investigate, detect lies etc..... etc.... etc.....But the most important lesson I've learned so far is not to believe the media. I used to believe everything I hear on the radio or see on TV. After I joined the "course of life" I discovered a new world! May be graduation day is near, as the hoax might be ending seen, but I must say that what we have learned here so far in hoax land is lesson for life. I didn't know that MJ is a very good teacher! Those who have missed this experience have missed something huge! I consider myself very LuckY. Joining MJ's college is def a wonderful thing. Looking forward to graduation day :)
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I feel closer and closer Michael and this great adventure give me so much positive energy :icon_bounce:
After four years to be here every day in our Hoax family is for me a great joy and a great fortune.... UNITED IN L.O.V.E. as Michael want !!! :icon_razz:
L.O.V.E. you all !!!
Excuse me for the off topic.... Souza the new forum is amazing !!!! :th_bravo: Thanks for your great job!!!! :bearhug:
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I also am here, and I'll be until in due time MJ decides that it's time, yesterday I saw a video that took me to 06-25-09 so far, and I must confess that spill a tear when I saw the news spread for the world, then the vision of each of the inconsistencies (refreshed my memory) comes to the conclusion that I'm not as crazy as I thought the some point. I am very happy to be here with all of you, my fellow travelers, that MJ said "It's an adventure, a great adventure and not be nervous" I guess he meant that not everything that we would see would be to our liking, and not is wrong, but as we all learned to detect the trash, and there was a big change in my life, being in touch with everyone here has made me a person who opened her mind and see with new eyes the reality (sometimes seems fiction) but I owe it to Michael, a man who spent his whole life showing the world that can change the course of our lives and to a global change in this work is that each and every one of us, in our environment, and so should be, slowly, come to transform some of this unequal world where hate and disinterest on the other are the subject of every day, we have the reach that Michael has, but that we are, we are your army's Love, Michael also wanted him. So I can say that these four years were learning, and I am at peace, hoping that "we will soon see the King", and I say this because in the memorial was the key to everything I saw was the beginning of the greatest spectacle the world. I love you all. maru :bearhug:
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First i was :over-react-smiley: and :'(
then i was :omg:
after that there's been a lot of :icon_geek: and :Pulling_hair: and :confused: and :woohoo2: even some :argue: sometime
then there was :judge-smiley: and then :judge-smiley: again
today i'm a bit :abouttime: and :confused: again but whatever i'll always be :bearhug: for MJ
I don't expect anything, i'm not sure of anything, i just wait and observe, because it's HIS life, and i just try to watch him be, without being too demanding.
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First i was :over-react-smiley: and :'(
then i was :omg:
after that there's been a lot of :icon_geek: and :Pulling_hair: and :confused: and :woohoo2: even some :argue: sometime
then there was :judge-smiley: and then :judge-smiley: again
today i'm a bit :abouttime: and :confused: again but whatever i'll always be :bearhug: for MJ
I don't expect anything, i'm not sure of anything, i just wait and observe, because it's HIS life, and i just try to watch him be, without being too demanding.
Hahaha I love emoticon messages.
And I love your DP.
Hmmm, how do I feel? Well I always had wished that MJ came back earlier, but I think waiting around four years for this and experiencing everything I couldn't possibly imagine, it feels gratifying.
The greatest things are the ones you've got to fight hardest for right? So I think just feeling so many emotions (good and bad), to get through it all and to get where we are today is great within itself. In a way it will make MJ's comeback even sweeter and that more precious. It's about the journey more so than the destination.
I wish I could do it all again, this has only happened once and it will never happen again...so I am extremely happy that I have been a part of it and it will no doubt be sad when this stage of the hoax ends.
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I so love reading everyone's comments....the serious AND the seriously funny. :icon_mrgreen:
I am so comforted to be in the company of people who understand that whatever is going on is quite spectacular, even if we don't understand or are continually frustrated. I am reminded as I read such thoughtful comments that I am not crazy just damn lucky.
:bearhug:
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gwynned,
I guess you're right. We are lucky. Very lucky! Witnessing the greatest show on earth is something we all have to be soo proud about.
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Hi guys I have finally been able to log into the forum woohoo!! I have been missing you I'm still in L.A and I have witnessed July the fourth fireworks here in downtown, wow amazing!! I feel exactly the same as Bec I feel more confident than never that Michael alias Front will come back soon and I feel that he is looking forward to coming back because he needs to be loved by the ones who really love and respect him.
I love you all so much :bearhug:
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Hi guys I have finally been able to log into the forum woohoo!! I have been missing you I'm still in L.A and I have witnessed July the fourth fireworks here in downtown, wow amazing!! I feel exactly the same as Bec I feel more confident than never that Michael alias Front will come back soon and I feel that he is looking forward to coming back because he needs to be loved by the ones who really love and respect him.
I love you all so much :bearhug:
Yay!!!! But as I read on I'm getting more and more jealous...lol...you are in L.A!!!! For how long? On a holiday?
I was in L.A for NYE, but the fireworks sucked, I just watched people pop their own fireworks and went to go watch some college football. But I know how amazing the fireworks are on Independence Day...where in DTLA did you see the fireworks? I think they have some pretty amazing fireworks at Santa Monica beach at the Pacific Park Pier on July 4th.
Anyway I'm so happy for you, hope you have a great time in LA LA Land.
And to L.A; I will be back soon so don't forget about me, ok? *cries*...LOL
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How do I feel??? ? Great ;) :michael_jackson-1135:!!! I am still here, watching the master,doing what he knows best:PLAYing Around :icon_geek: :icon_lol: !!!!
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-06-15-IMAG7893_1_1.jpg)
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Hmmm quite talented with the xylophone huh Michael? Well stop showing off, cause I'm sure everyone can play...I mean I think I can, but after my music teacher took it off me after playing a few notes, I wasn't able to see my true potential. Don't know why my teacher did that though and said 'that's enough'. I deduce that to be because I was just that good....LOL, did somebody put N2O in here?
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How I feel - I have recently watched many videos on youtube - as I accidently stumbled over a series of interesting facts about 25th June. (her username is LunaJo67 ) and it took me an eternity to get through but all facts together, yet again everything is just not logical if you try to think of he is NOT alive, it doesn't work that way, I really tried 2 years ago, but I always keep coming back and seeing clues everywhere. so I'm still a beLIEver, and it won't change, nothing that can appear in the press will change that because I simply don't believe it. We may not know if he comes back - but there is still hope for BAMS-day. Its 4 years now but every day new things come up, it's like a path we are on to putting together the pieces...sometimes it's like being in front of a giant puzzle.
And then I imagine how he might be sitting somewhere, watching the world what is going on with us, he always was a genius, and I'll never doubt that. Okay I have no idea what I'm writing lol, I just wanted to say - no matter what, there's hope. :-)
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:michael-jackson:....in these four years ... thanks to MichaeI!, I increased the awareness of the reality and I realized that powerful forces are at work to destroy the truth, honesty, love and solidarity.
Intrigues and lies are working to undermine the core values of the planet and Michael showed us the evil force that he fought bravely, encouraged us to deepen, to study, to not stop at the surface of things.
Michael showed us that behind the lights of the show the shadow of evil corrupts everything.
Only the commitment and love for oneself and for others can help us to fight against the demons, and now I truly believe that Michael is an extraordinary man worthy of respect for all as well as an incredibly talented forever.
He will return and will triumph, its BAM! will be sudden, unpredictable and explosive.
He sewed this web of film in a refined and ingenious way, I don't want to miss the ending! :michael_jackson-1135:
:moonwalk_:
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Hi guys I have finally been able to log into the forum woohoo!! I have been missing you I'm still in L.A and I have witnessed July the fourth fireworks here in downtown, wow amazing!! I feel exactly the same as Bec I feel more confident than never that Michael alias Front will come back soon and I feel that he is looking forward to coming back because he needs to be loved by the ones who really love and respect him.
I love you all so much :bearhug:
Yay!!!! But as I read on I'm getting more and more jealous...lol...you are in L.A!!!! For how long? On a holiday?
I was in L.A for NYE, but the fireworks sucked, I just watched people pop their own fireworks and went to go watch some college football. But I know how amazing the fireworks are on Independence Day...where in DTLA did you see the fireworks? I think they have some pretty amazing fireworks at Santa Monica beach at the Pacific Park Pier on July 4th.
Anyway I'm so happy for you, hope you have a great time in LA LA Land.
And to L.A; I will be back soon so don't forget about me, ok? *cries*...LOL
I have been here for 15 days just for holidays but tonight I fly back to Spain, yes I was at the Grand Park L.A downtown yesterday and the fireworks were amazing with DJ playing all kind of songs by popular singers related to U.S was great people dancing and so.... besides I was visiting Carolwood, Heyvenhurst, Calabasssas (gated) Neverland, UCLA and I was twice in L.A Superior Court I got to meet M Katherine I told her she gave birth such a beautiful human being. I will explain more when I get back to my place, thanks for asking, btw it's my second time in L.A I love this place.
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Hi guys I have finally been able to log into the forum woohoo!! I have been missing you I'm still in L.A and I have witnessed July the fourth fireworks here in downtown, wow amazing!! I feel exactly the same as Bec I feel more confident than never that Michael alias Front will come back soon and I feel that he is looking forward to coming back because he needs to be loved by the ones who really love and respect him.
I love you all so much :bearhug:
Yay!!!! But as I read on I'm getting more and more jealous...lol...you are in L.A!!!! For how long? On a holiday?
I was in L.A for NYE, but the fireworks sucked, I just watched people pop their own fireworks and went to go watch some college football. But I know how amazing the fireworks are on Independence Day...where in DTLA did you see the fireworks? I think they have some pretty amazing fireworks at Santa Monica beach at the Pacific Park Pier on July 4th.
Anyway I'm so happy for you, hope you have a great time in LA LA Land.
And to L.A; I will be back soon so don't forget about me, ok? *cries*...LOL
I have been here for 15 days just for holidays but tonight I fly back to Spain, yes I was at the Grand Park L.A downtown yesterday and the fireworks were amazing with DJ playing all kind of songs by popular singers related to U.S was great people dancing and so.... besides I was visiting Carolwood, Heyvenhurst, Calabasssas (gated) Neverland, UCLA and I was twice in L.A Superior Court I got to meet M Katherine I told her she gave birth such a beautiful human being. I will explain more when I get back to my place, thanks for asking, btw it's my second time in L.A I love this place.
You were here in LA and didn't contact me?!! I would have love to meet you somewhere. I'm not far from downtown LA. I'm upset!!! :icon_exclaim:
Hope you have a great and safe trip home! Blessing!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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I am in the same position I was in at the beginning, doing what God put me here to do. And one of those jobs is to lift Michael and all associated with him up in prayer! That will never change because "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16)
Blessings to you all!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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Hi guys I have finally been able to log into the forum woohoo!! I have been missing you I'm still in L.A and I have witnessed July the fourth fireworks here in downtown, wow amazing!! I feel exactly the same as Bec I feel more confident than never that Michael alias Front will come back soon and I feel that he is looking forward to coming back because he needs to be loved by the ones who really love and respect him.
I love you all so much :bearhug:
Yay!!!! But as I read on I'm getting more and more jealous...lol...you are in L.A!!!! For how long? On a holiday?
I was in L.A for NYE, but the fireworks sucked, I just watched people pop their own fireworks and went to go watch some college football. But I know how amazing the fireworks are on Independence Day...where in DTLA did you see the fireworks? I think they have some pretty amazing fireworks at Santa Monica beach at the Pacific Park Pier on July 4th.
Anyway I'm so happy for you, hope you have a great time in LA LA Land.
And to L.A; I will be back soon so don't forget about me, ok? *cries*...LOL
I have been here for 15 days just for holidays but tonight I fly back to Spain, yes I was at the Grand Park L.A downtown yesterday and the fireworks were amazing with DJ playing all kind of songs by popular singers related to U.S was great people dancing and so.... besides I was visiting Carolwood, Heyvenhurst, Calabasssas (gated) Neverland, UCLA and I was twice in L.A Superior Court I got to meet M Katherine I told her she gave birth such a beautiful human being. I will explain more when I get back to my place, thanks for asking, btw it's my second time in L.A I love this place.
You were here in LA and didn't contact me?!! I would have love to meet you somewhere. I'm not far from downtown LA. I'm upset!!! :icon_exclaim:
Hope you have a great and safe trip home! Blessing!
OnTheWingsOfLove
OMG I didn' realize you live in L.A I would have liked meeting you too I am so sorry about it, thanks for your beautiful wishes I am still here at LAX int. :bearhug:
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Hi guys I have finally been able to log into the forum woohoo!! I have been missing you I'm still in L.A and I have witnessed July the fourth fireworks here in downtown, wow amazing!! I feel exactly the same as Bec I feel more confident than never that Michael alias Front will come back soon and I feel that he is looking forward to coming back because he needs to be loved by the ones who really love and respect him.
I love you all so much :bearhug:
Woww sweet , lucky you!!!!! Kiss, kiss to L.A. , kiss and hugs for you and for all of the Hoax Family :bearhug:
Me too love you all more and more :bearhug:
We are here UNITED IN L.O.V.E. and Michael know this !!!! :moonwalk_:
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Hi Guys
Well 4 years and Im still here, not as much unfortunately of late as have been undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer since February 13, and spent much time either in bed due to the treatment or in hospital, treatment has worked well and am now waiting for surgery to be done. I will then hopefully to catch up for all the lost time.
I am quietly confident that our day will come, probably not before the end of the trial. Im sure there will be a BAM when the time is right. This last 4 years has been very educational, I now see the world through new eyes thanks to MJ.
I have always said I would be here till the end, and that is my intention still.
Love and hugs to you all.
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Praying for you Ijustcantstoplovingu. <3
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Hi Guys
Well 4 years and Im still here, not as much unfortunately of late as have been undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer since February 13, and spent much time either in bed due to the treatment or in hospital, treatment has worked well and am now waiting for surgery to be done. I will then hopefully to catch up for all the lost time.
I am quietly confident that our day will come, probably not before the end of the trial. Im sure there will be a BAM when the time is right. This last 4 years has been very educational, I now see the world through new eyes thanks to MJ.
I have always said I would be here till the end, and that is my intention still.
Love and hugs to you all.
:bearhug:
I wish you the best and a total recovery.
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I have been thinking about you and wondering how you were going for weeks now @ijustcan'tstoplovingyou. Thanks for updating us and know that there are people praying for your health and recovery. Your quiet confidence is a beautiful thing. I'm in awe of your strength.
Hugs back at you my lovely. :bearhug:
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Ijustcantstoplovingu...my thoughts and prayers and best wishes are with you!
I find it so touching that despite your illness and sorrow you still make time for Michael and all of us here.
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Hi Guys,
Thank you all for your prayers, and good wishes, they help keep me strong. :)
Love and best wishes.
:bearhug:
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After four years I am more self confident than never, I feel Michael's plans are big and will shock the world I think he is taking his time to finish his artwork which will remain in History, that's how I feel.
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the same 4 me:i'm still here,even if,sometimes,i'm not able 2 c an end of this story/adventure/game....
i hope we'll celebrate an happy bamday,all (virtually) 2gether!
but,maybe,our doubts and question will remain here..... with no answers 4ever. :Pulling_hair:
*LUNA*
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Well, I'm still here and always will be...even though I don't post much. My belief is strong but I just wonder what I'll do after October since DCM will be released and all and the AEG trial will be over (more than likely). But you know I really believe Paris is with her father taking a break.
p.s. @ijustcantstoplovingu - Best wishes to you. I know someone that is going thru the same. L.O.V.E.
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Hey guys, if you ask me if I believe in MJ? Yes of course, I feel that something big may happen, I have days where I do not understand where it goes this hoax, and the point is the judgment KJ & AEG.
In the murder trial of Murray, was seen all over the world and we continue step by step was happening there, and in my opinion it is clear that it was a fraud.
But the case with AEG, is to me as an unknown, if KJ wins the case and gets the money, what about MJ? This situation could make MJ anymore, comes to light (Bamsday as expected). And if you do you will be accused of a crime?
are many questions that I can not connect.
But one thing I'm sure, is that MJ is so lived, as each of us.
:bearhug:
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That awful, terrible, :screaming-7365: frightening pain. :over-react-smiley:..finally is gone, finally, left. But I know I will always have that longing....always.
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That awful, terrible, :screaming-7365: frightening pain. :over-react-smiley:..finally is gone, finally, left. But I know I will always have that longing....always.
What are you talking about?? This is a beLIEvers Forum, are you a beLIEver?? :icon_e_confused:
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Tired
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Tired
Funny. I read the thread title and immediately thought the same word you posted, RK: Tired. Then I clicked on your post. :icon_lol:
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I feel...crazy haha
I've been here since day one, promised that I'd be here til the end. But sometimes I wonder if I'm just crazy and unable to deal with the fact that he is gone. Then I think about the ridiculous inconsistencies and realize that I can't be totally crazy. I love and miss him more every single day.
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Ijustcantstoplovingu all my all my best wishes and My L.O.V.E. :bearhug:
Here there is all the L.O.V.E. power of Michael... after four years we are always here..and this is a masterpiece guys!!! :bearhug:
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How do I feel after 4 years!? Good question?
There is only one answer!
I'm still here because I believe! I believe in Hope LOVE and a better tomorrow!
This can only happen if we stand as one and fight for what we BELEIVE!
MICHAEL is showing us the way! a way to the right road to discover the right and wrongs of this world! To FIGHT for justice and live in a world of peace and love!
Michael is here with us and I'm sure he knows every ones feelings!
Hes just waiting for the right time! No one knows what that is? but waiting is the prize that we all Win
Knowing and Believing he is ALIVE!
KEEP THE FAITH♥
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Currently? Bored.
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if there won't be an (happy) end (and i hope i'm totally wrong),this (and all the other 1s in web) forum will be 1 of the last mikael's gift 2 us,2gether with "tii";this death (or this fakedeath) would be the way he's found 4 seeing us unite and 2gether 4 the truth.
*LUNA*
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Currently? Bored.
That's why I'm out in the garden all day and not in front of the computerscreen :LolLolLolLol:
:computer-losy-smiley:
:bearhug: <--- for all those who still come here!!!
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Currently? Bored.
That's why I'm out in the garden all day and not in front of the computerscreen :LolLolLolLol:
Neither am I but I'm still bored - wish something would happen to make us all sit up.
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Yup, hard not to keep checking in here just in case something interesting has come up, but really I think this place is past it's 'best before' date, it's done it's job, proved what needed to be proved and got as far as it's going to with it's investigations, and there's nothing left to do but sit around in the waiting room - or get out and do something more worthwhile with life!
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Currently? Bored.
That's why I'm out in the garden all day and not in front of the computerscreen :LolLolLolLol:
Neither am I but I'm still bored - wish something would happen to make us all sit up.
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I guess for me this journey has been a lot like falling in love.
The beginning was so exciting and intense, I couldn't wait to rush home to read and investigate the latest developments. I was always learning something new and it has helped me to see the world (and Michael) differently. :icon_e_geek:
Now, four years later, this journey has settled into this cozy, comfortable routine. Gone are the "butterflies" and the rush of excitement, but it's been replaced with a calm security, of knowing what you know to be true.
I do get frustrated and impatient from time to time, but my belief hasn't changed. :icon_cool:
Like anything in life, we all just have to wait and see what happens. I'm still very glad for the experience. :icon_e_smile:
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That awful, terrible, :screaming-7365: frightening pain. :over-react-smiley:..finally is gone, finally, left. But I know I will always have that longing....always.
What are you talking about?? This is a beLIEvers Forum, are you a beLIEver?? :icon_e_confused:
I said the 'intense pain' is GONE... I long for answers. Get it?
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Wow....maybe I just see things all differently. Not once in this entire adventure have I been bored. I think MJ would be so sad to read that. It's been
an amazing adventure, and still is to this day. Clues have been planted and found. Leads have been followed. But I still believe, the best is yet to come.
It's no surprise to me things seem slower than before. But really, I don't think they are. It's just that things are not on a silver platter, so to speak.
It was TS or Front who posted the picture of the rear-view mirror. I always took that to mean things are clearer looking back. Once you have traveled
down a road, you know what it looks like. But more important, you know where the bumps are and where the smooth parts are. You can look back see
what parts of that road were important to pay attention to, and what parts you can ignore. Learn from the past...the journey.
This down time, or waiting time, is just another twist. It's not a slow period by any means. The AEG trial has yielded much information as to the comical
viewpoint. If Murray's trial was a circus, this AEG trial is comedy of errors. Just a couple of days ago, the lawyers were making faces at each other and
complaining to the judge. OK, in what realm of court does that ever happen....it's hilarious to read these things. It's not about gaining classic clues
anymore. It's about seeing the media, lawyers and other snakes involved for what they are....farcical. In order to do that, I had to search out and expand
how I learn things. That's why I have been on twitter much lately. It's an open book at times....the court reporting is so funny at times. ABC7courts is very
entertaining with their reporting.....like a book at times. Don't be bored and give up...it's the last thing MJ would want right now. Expand yourself anyway
you can. If you can't twitter, follow things through the media......it's all out there and never boring. Don't sit back and expect things to be like they were
4 years ago....clues everywhere. I don't believe that will happen. If I had only one word to choose about how I feel after 4 years, it would be:
changed.
I hope and pray you guys can find a way not to be bored. You are some of the most brilliant minds throughout the hoax. Don't give up whatever you do!
Stick with it and find a way that is interesting for you to keep going. I only say these things because I truly have come to believe that the hoax
community needs to stick together. We are getting smaller and smaller. I believe that's for a reason......that reason is pure MJ.
Blessings & LOVE Always
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Hi every one !
I fell that... on the december 31 of this year I will totally stop believing if we don't have soon his comeback or a clear end of the Hoax.
Sorry to disapointe you despite I'm here since 2009...
Cheers from France, have a good summer day !
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Speaking solely for myself, you won't ever disappoint me.........
it is totally your viewpoint, one I respect fully.
Cheers as well......I wish I was in a Paris cafe right now.....Paris is one of my very favorite places in the world! : )
Blessings
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Although I will always be here, not to wait for the return of Mike with anxiety but to be near him and support him :bearhug:
I think this is important for Michael, but, I admit, the great adventure is difficult :moonwalk_:
L.O.V.E. you all !!! :bearhug:
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Wishing I totally agree with you I don't feel bored because anything regarding Michael it's boring to me, I agree Michael wouldn't like us to say we are bored or the hoax is finished, take a look at twitter out there which is being exciting furthermore AEG trial is being very telling about what we all have been talking during these years that all it's just a Hollywood movie production and everybody is playing their role, everything/everyone has it's timing and every story seems to be fine geared, the mere fact that Conrad Murray is gonna be released next October 28 says it all we all agreed that Michael would never return until CM was released from prison so here we go let's wait until the end of October ➡ October 28 CM' released and TII released ➡ October 31 Halloween, I feel BAM is coming and all masks will fall down :elvis-1405:
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Wow....maybe I just see things all differently. Not once in this entire adventure have I been bored. I think MJ would be so sad to read that. It's been
an amazing adventure, and still is to this day. Clues have been planted and found. Leads have been followed. But I still believe, the best is yet to come.
It's no surprise to me things seem slower than before. But really, I don't think they are. It's just that things are not on a silver platter, so to speak.
It was TS or Front who posted the picture of the rear-view mirror. I always took that to mean things are clearer looking back. Once you have traveled
down a road, you know what it looks like. But more important, you know where the bumps are and where the smooth parts are. You can look back see
what parts of that road were important to pay attention to, and what parts you can ignore. Learn from the past...the journey.
This down time, or waiting time, is just another twist. It's not a slow period by any means. The AEG trial has yielded much information as to the comical
viewpoint. If Murray's trial was a circus, this AEG trial is comedy of errors. Just a couple of days ago, the lawyers were making faces at each other and
complaining to the judge. OK, in what realm of court does that ever happen....it's hilarious to read these things. It's not about gaining classic clues
anymore. It's about seeing the media, lawyers and other snakes involved for what they are....farcical. In order to do that, I had to search out and expand
how I learn things. That's why I have been on twitter much lately. It's an open book at times....the court reporting is so funny at times. ABC7courts is very
entertaining with their reporting.....like a book at times. Don't be bored and give up...it's the last thing MJ would want right now. Expand yourself anyway
you can. If you can't twitter, follow things through the media......it's all out there and never boring. Don't sit back and expect things to be like they were
4 years ago....clues everywhere. I don't believe that will happen. If I had only one word to choose about how I feel after 4 years, it would be:
changed.
I hope and pray you guys can find a way not to be bored. You are some of the most brilliant minds throughout the hoax. Don't give up whatever you do!
Stick with it and find a way that is interesting for you to keep going. I only say these things because I truly have come to believe that the hoax
community needs to stick together. We are getting smaller and smaller. I believe that's for a reason......that reason is pure MJ.
Blessings & LOVE Always
Yep.... Otherwise we he can't fit us all inside the Neverland Ranch :icon_albino:
On a serious note....: Totally agree with you!
But I do think now is the time that the pure investigations has stopped.
Topics like Front's (@frontback777), needs to be back open IMO. To give us the possibility to talk on this forum.
I feel more and more people abandon this forum and go directly to him (Front) on twitter and talk to eachother afterwards, because we don't had that possibility here anymore. And to me that's a shame, because now, we can't talk with all of us. because (talking about myself) I don't follow everybode for example.
With that topic back online, everyone can talk with everyone.
But hey, I'm still here and I will be here when until this forum will be closed :) (Hopefully it wouldn't, so we can connect with eachother from time to time, when we want.
So to answer the question of the topic starter: I feel changed and blessed. Eitherway thanks to this hoax and thanks to many people of this community.
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Hi Guys
Well 4 years and Im still here, not as much unfortunately of late as have been undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer since February 13, and spent much time either in bed due to the treatment or in hospital, treatment has worked well and am now waiting for surgery to be done. I will then hopefully to catch up for all the lost time.
I am quietly confident that our day will come, probably not before the end of the trial. Im sure there will be a BAM when the time is right. This last 4 years has been very educational, I now see the world through new eyes thanks to MJ.
I have always said I would be here till the end, and that is my intention still.
Love and hugs to you all.
:bearhug:
Ijustcantstoplovingu Hello! Sorry to hear you're in treatment, I hope the surgery very soon, and thus achieve full recovery. You're right these four years we change the vision of the world, and that's great, we learned that not everything you see is as we have, and I am deeply grateful to Michael, not only as the man who joined us on this adventure, but achieving that thousands of hearts, feel that all is not lost.
There are many people who were alone (I'm one of them) and love anime Michael made me to be part of what is now a family # MJFam, among all has formed a bond of friendship, understanding, mutual support, when one falls into despair.
I can say that this experience filled me with the heart, I am another person, and although we do not know, I feel you do not need to know what the face of each, know your hearts and opinions. Sometimes we disagree, but we accept and tolerate other thinks differently.
I feel that something big may happen, dream about it every day, my heart is helpless and increasingly sure MJ is leading us. God bless each and every one, and I promise that when Michael decides, I will be there. :bearhug:
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But I do think now is the time that the pure investigations has stopped.
Topics like Front's (@frontback777), needs to be back open IMO. To give us the possibility to talk on this forum.
I feel more and more people abandon this forum and go directly to him (Front) on twitter and talk to eachother afterwards, because we don't had that possibility here anymore. And to me that's a shame, because now, we can't talk with all of us. because (talking about myself) I don't follow everybode for example.
With that topic back online, everyone can talk with everyone.
Well that thread was deleted. Any member is free to start a discussion of their choosing.
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A thread about how we feel...great.
I feel that I love Michael. But I took a one year break from MJ's music and from this forum.
As about the hoax, I feel like I still believe his death doesn't make sense. And I still believe MJ is capable of faking his death and living in hiding for a long period of time.
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I believe it's natural to feel bored sometime and to care for our personnal life (for those of us who still have one :LolLolLolLol:)
it's important to stay BALANCED in life. How many people came here night and day, becoming crazy about everything, some of them even forgetting about their familly, their friends, forget to have diner, just to stay in front of some stupid countdown announcing MJ's BAM. We all saw this people becoming "out of limit" close to nervous breakdown about how much they invested themselves, way too much...
It's very important to hold, to last in time. It's 4 years and we still have no idea how long. i don't even think he would come back, so i'm fine with "waiting" lol it doesn't change much for me. I told myself i think he is alive, and now i'm fine with him doing whatever he needs to do. It's his life. (Though i's feel better if i knew anything, i'm just human after all lol)
I don't think it's important to be there "always". The most important is for Michael to feel we're still here, whenever he needs to make sure of it.
I don't read everything or come everyday, but there's not a single day i don't have him back of my mind.
It's here and it's never gonna leave.
Even after I die, I suspect my spirit might be floating in some kind of dream in which i'm with MJ. Some looooooooooong eternal dream loool
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@sunset, agreed.
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Front/Michael isn't banned, as far as I'm aware he's free to join in any thread - it's just the rest of us talking about him that's banned! Souza's place, Souza's rules - she has given her reasons, which we have to respect.
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I have less confidence in a comeback. When this whole adventure started, I never thought that it would last soooo long! Good work needs time I guess....but a comeback....I don't know if this will ever happen anymore.
Front/Michael isn't banned, as far as I'm aware he's free to join in any thread - it's just the rest of us talking about him that's banned! Souza's place, Souza's rules - she has given her reasons, which we have to respect.
Obviously I missed this one! I'm not a Front follower (I'm not on twitter), but why is the thread deleted and aren't we 'allowed' to discuss Front? Does someone have a link of the reasons why?
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@sunset, my point exactly. To me he (Front) = the man himself :-)
But, @curls is absolutely right. So we have to deal with it. Even though people as @Do now missing the oppertunity to follow everything.
But we can't change Souza's rules, we have to respect that and that's fine.
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I'm feeling very confident about the BAM and da whole troot especially now when Murray will soon be released. Can't wait to hear what he has to say :icon_cool:
Front/Michael isn't banned, as far as I'm aware he's free to join in any thread - it's just the rest of us talking about him that's banned! Souza's place, Souza's rules - she has given her reasons, which we have to respect.
Obviously I missed this one! I'm not a Front follower (I'm not on twitter), but why is the thread deleted and aren't we 'allowed' to discuss Front? Does someone have a link of the reasons why?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23716.msg445010/topicseen.html#msg445010
Front can still post anywhere he wants, he doesn't need his own thread to do that.
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I'm feeling very confident about the BAM and da whole troot especially now when Murray will soon be released. Can't wait to hear what he has to say :icon_cool:
Front/Michael isn't banned, as far as I'm aware he's free to join in any thread - it's just the rest of us talking about him that's banned! Souza's place, Souza's rules - she has given her reasons, which we have to respect.
Obviously I missed this one! I'm not a Front follower (I'm not on twitter), but why is the thread deleted and aren't we 'allowed' to discuss Front? Does someone have a link of the reasons why?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23716.msg445010/topicseen.html#msg445010
Front can still post anywhere he wants, he doesn't need his own thread to do that.
Thank you for the link, going to read now!
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@Do, I think it all boils down to Front threads, historically, turning into embarrassing, ass kissing (to quote Souza's words!) 'fan' fests, much like what's going on (with some people) on Twitter. That's a real shame and shows little respect for the man, but there we are. He's obviously happy over on Twitter, so maybe it's just me seeing things from a different perspective.
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@Do, I think it all boils down to Front threads, historically, turning into embarrassing, ass kissing (to quote Souza's words!) 'fan' fests, much like what's going on (with some people) on Twitter. That's a real shame and shows little respect for the man, but there we are. He's obviously happy over on Twitter, so maybe it's just me seeing things from a different perspective.
I agree. Some people on twitter are being pathetic (and creepy) to get noticed by Front. And he seems to enjoy the ass kissing there. So it's good imo it will not continue here too.
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Tired
Funny. I read the thread title and immediately thought the same word you posted, RK: Tired. Then I clicked on your post. :icon_lol:
:LolLolLolLol: when i read the topic & thought about it i sighed and then thought TIRED. i can't believe after all this time i still come back (though i don't post much). it must be L.O.V.E. LUV U MIKE, ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL
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@Do, I think it all boils down to Front threads, historically, turning into embarrassing, ass kissing (to quote Souza's words!) 'fan' fests, much like what's going on (with some people) on Twitter. That's a real shame and shows little respect for the man, but there we are. He's obviously happy over on Twitter, so maybe it's just me seeing things from a different perspective.
I agree. Some people on twitter are being pathetic (and creepy) to get noticed by Front. And he seems to enjoy the ass kissing there. So it's good imo it will not continue here too.
+1
I think it's just become too much of a distraction. True there is a 50/50 chance it is Michael...but there is also a 50/50 chance it's not. :icon_neutral:
The focus is therefore put on Front....not the hoax... which is an issue for me. :icon_e_confused:
To me, letters to the "estate" going after "fake MJ's" and subsequently Souza shutting down the thread on Front's twitter speaks volumes.
No one is going to shut Front down on twitter because he does not claim to be MJ....He never has!.
He has never misrepresented himself.
PEOPLE JUST DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSION AS TO WHO THEY THINK HE IS.
Does it make him a fraud because that's what people choose to see? Nope!
What he's doing may be sneaky, but not illegal. :icon_cool:
As for the hoax...I haven't seen anything from Fronts tweets of late that are remotely helpful to the hoax. While his messages are positive/uplifting, it seems to have become more of an "adoration account" for his followers. :bowdown:
THIS OF COURSE IS JUST MY OPINION! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
...sorry to stray off topic.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores019.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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This is almost turning into another Front thread . Tho I suppose it is valid because the topic asks how we are feeling 4 years on, and people are just being honest with what they are feeling here.
Front has carved out his own niche on twitter and is working on spreading kindness and light. You won't get any complaints from me. We need all the kindness and love we can spread and receive in this cold hard world.
As for the ass kissing...perhaps it is simply animal attraction.
(http://www.sunnygacres.com/Kara%20kissing%20Pluto%20%20006C.jpg)
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Let me just put a reminder about "how troll appear and leave in Hoaxland"
- they log on a forum (for exemple this one) and start spreading poetry, love messages and so on
- they get everybody to send them love messages and they never answer to the question "are you pretending to be mj, yes or not"
- they end to be banned, or the subject is banned, or whatever about them
- they create their own "ass kissing place" where they run some little game of "i show you my ear/hand/foot/whatever that can be shown... but PLEASE, respect my identity. I am just ME. I'm just human and all the same blablabla.
- most of the time they go higher and higher with pictures, videos, informations, to the top where they DIE/DISAPPEAR/whatever that would get their "fans" crazy.
- everybody is crazy : people say it's because of other people who refused to believe it was MJ, people who think it's a troll say "i told you".. well it's a whole mess....
- then they come back ! and they have some explanation saying they were never dead but their account was hacked by some "dangerous people".
- they say people are mean with them, and that they will never come back, if noone loves them...
- everybody prays for them to stay, accuse other people of making them go.
- they close their accounts, never come back...
AND THEN ANOTHER STRANGE ACCOUNT APPEARS....
My only question about this story is : is it the same "someone" anytime ? Because AT LEAST 4 times we have such scenario in Hoaxland.... ALWAYS THE SAME.
SO if it's a troll, i'll kick his ass when i find him. If it's Michael, well... I'll kick his ass too !
Just think about how many time you saw the scenario i described... it's just "strange" and any account starting this scenario, obviously end the same.
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For the moment i put no judgement on Front or anyone who would do the same. But anytime i said this, people didn't believe. So i write it down, and we will see loool
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To get back on topic, how do I feel?
I'm missing the puzzles, the discussions, the frustrations, the excitement, the revelations, the laughter ..... and the tears, of earlier hoax times. I'm missing logging on and finding so many new posts that I'd be late for work trying to catch up! :compute: I'm missing you guys! :bearhug:
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How about "behind the mask" video ?
If it was released in 2011, i think half the forum would have fainted to find such video :icon_mrgreen:
There are still things happening on the "official MJ" side. And it's still hoaxy-hoaxy !
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Well I know some still are entertained/excited by that stuff, but with me it's more that it's hard to get used to not needing or wanting clues and hoaxy hoaxy stuff any more. Kinda ironic really! Never mind me - personal circumstances have me virtually house-bound at the moment and going somewhat stir-crazy!
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I just love the fact that such stuff are "still" happening, after 4 years. Many can't believe it's already 4 years, me first. there's always been something to keep us on the road of hoax. I can't believe this wasn't planned. so anytime i see such "clues" i'm not excited by the clue but by the fact that this thing is still going on.
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@sunset, my point exactly. To me he (Front) = the man himself :-)
But, @curls is absolutely right. So we have to deal with it. Even though people as @Do now missing the oppertunity to follow everything.
But we can't change Souza's rules, we have to respect that and that's fine.
I'm respecting Souza's rules I 'm still here but I was just answering what Bec suggested about satarting a new discussion about Front that's all I'm not a rebel quite the contrary I'm very disciplined and I do accept rules.
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I'm so bored, I almost forgot there was a hoax.
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Hoax? What hoax? All we have is continuing stories of drug addiction and child molestation. What a legacy. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
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Hoax? What hoax? All we have is continuing stories of drug addiction and child molestation. What a legacy. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
This is the only thing we hear
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So i think "they" managed to get your head busy with all the BS they are able to put on the table when they don't want you to focus on important things.
Stay focussed, don't pay attention to BS.
Getting fans to defend MJ from all this, is ALSO a way to get them busy and away from other things.
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Hoax? What hoax? All we have is continuing stories of drug addiction and child molestation. What a legacy. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
Agree..is a static moment..... :icon_rolleyes:
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I have my crabby pants on and I've about had it up to here. TS and TIAI turned into nothing, TS_comments and the levels n signs turned into nothing, Front turned into nothing, everything turns into nothing. How can this be nothing? MJ didn't die that way. I swear to god I didn't make this all up in my head.
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I have my crabby pants on and I've about had it up to here. TS and TIAI turned into nothing, TS_comments and the levels n signs turned into nothing, Front turned into nothing, everything turns into nothing. How can this be nothing? MJ didn't die that way. I swear to god I didn't make this all up in my head.
It's just one year more, and then my patience will be completely gone.
I have a strong feeling that the death hoax is not just about vindication but much much more, I think in the near future we will be questioning what our beliefs are.
And I feel that a lot of information given to us is 'twisted'.
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I have a strong feeling that the death hoax is not just about vindication but much much more, I think in the near future we will be questioning what our beliefs are.
And I feel that a lot of information given to us is 'twisted'.
You can say that again :th_bravo: , cause we are driving on a dangerous mountain road blindfolded :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
BTW,how do I feel 4 years later?? I feel GREAT :) , because I feel loved.Like Michael said in This is it,LOVE is important ,so "All we need is LOVE", and the rest will reveal itself ;).
All you need is love - Beatles
Love, love, love.
Love, love, love.
Love, love, love.
There’s nothing you can do that can’t be done.
Nothing you can sing that can’t be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.
It’s easy.
Nothing you can make that can’t be made.
No one you can save that can’t be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time.
It’s easy.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
Nothing you can know that isn’t known.
Nothing you can see that isn’t shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn’t where you’re meant to be.
It’s easy.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together, now!)
All you need is love. (everybody!)
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need (love is all you need).
Yee-haï!
Oh yeah!
She loves you, yeah yeah yeah.
She loves you, yeah yeah yeah.
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I have my crabby pants on and I've about had it up to here. TS and TIAI turned into nothing, TS_comments and the levels n signs turned into nothing, Front turned into nothing, everything turns into nothing. How can this be nothing? MJ didn't die that way. I swear to god I didn't make this all up in my head.
No bec, you didn't make all this up, but the 'turning into nothing' stuff is frustrating, to say the the least. Does kinda make one wonder what else will turn into nothing and that then begs the question, what the heck was all this for? If there is not a totally public world wide righting of wrongs and truthing of lies then MJ's legacy NOW is far worse than when he 'died'. It's not even about the music anymore - like you said, it's all drugs and child molestation. Unless he's happy for that to be the outcome, there has to be more to come. I have many unanswered questions which make me uncomfortable about many things these days but I cannot believe this is the end - this isn't 'nothing'. It has to be just one of those quiet, dark periods, you know, the ones where a certain member used to come along with whispers and a light!
We really sound like an ungrateful bunch right now - crabby pants indeed!
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Hoax? What hoax? All we have is continuing stories of drug addiction and child molestation. What a legacy. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
Yesssss.
I do believe (obviously) that MJ knows how to keep an audience in tune or tuned in, but he's losing me here. Maybe because I get distracted easily. But I'm surprised I lasted this long, kudos to me...well I guess not anymore :icon_e_confused:
This is not even the worst of it...I will dread the day this hoax is officially over...it will be worse than what we are feeling now.
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I have my crabby pants on and I've about had it up to here. TS and TIAI turned into nothing, TS_comments and the levels n signs turned into nothing, Front turned into nothing, everything turns into nothing. How can this be nothing? MJ didn't die that way. I swear to god I didn't make this all up in my head.
No bec, you didn't make all this up, but the 'turning into nothing' stuff is frustrating, to say the the least. Does kinda make one wonder what else will turn into nothing and that then begs the question, what the heck was all this for? If there is not a totally public world wide righting of wrongs and truthing of lies then MJ's legacy NOW is far worse than when he 'died'. It's not even about the music anymore - like you said, it's all drugs and child molestation. Unless he's happy for that to be the outcome, there has to be more to come. I have many unanswered questions which make me uncomfortable about many things these days but I cannot believe this is the end - this isn't 'nothing'. It has to be just one of those quiet, dark periods, you know, the ones where a certain member used to come along with whispers and a light!
We really sound like an ungrateful bunch right now - crabby pants indeed!
Agree, this is a static moment , but in these four years we have had other but we always have been here, and I think that is what we must continue to do... It's all for L.O.V.E. :moonwalk_: :bearhug:
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Hoax? What hoax? All we have is continuing stories of drug addiction and child molestation. What a legacy. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
Yesssss.
I do believe (obviously) that MJ knows how to keep an audience in tune or tuned in, but he's losing me here. Maybe because I get distracted easily. But I'm surprised I lasted this long, kudos to me...well I guess not anymore :icon_e_confused:
This is not even the worst of it...I will dread the day this hoax is officially over...it will be worse than what we are feeling now.
Loosing me too.
The end of the hoax trail is MJ being fawned over and worshiped by his stalker fans on Twitter? Let down.
Gee n here I thought we actually had to use our brains to figure out some puzzle. I guess that's the part I made up in my head.
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Hoax? What hoax? All we have is continuing stories of drug addiction and child molestation. What a legacy. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
Yesssss.
I do believe (obviously) that MJ knows how to keep an audience in tune or tuned in, but he's losing me here. Maybe because I get distracted easily. But I'm surprised I lasted this long, kudos to me...well I guess not anymore :icon_e_confused:
This is not even the worst of it...I will dread the day this hoax is officially over...it will be worse than what we are feeling now.
Loosing me too.
The end of the hoax trail is MJ being fawned over and worshiped by his stalker fans on Twitter? Let down.
Gee n here I thought we actually had to use our brains to figure out some puzzle. I guess that's the part I made up in my head.
Bec if you mean by stalkers the ones that are sending love to Front/Michael in a daily basis then you can call me stalker I don't care because I know Michael is revealing piece by piece to us as Kenny Ortega said.
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Revealing what piece by piece? Once you know it's him, what else is there to know by that format?
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Bec, I wonder if it's just that our (as in the forum's) time has passed. We saw the inconsistencies, did the investigating and found out long ago that MJ is alive and that he was posting here. What more is there to do here? We've spoken before about the tendency to inflate this site's importance - I reckon he's had his fun/done his job here and has simply moved on. MJDHI will become an interesting archive of our investigations, not an active site - which is kind of how I get the feeling Souza has wanted it to be for quite some time. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, Souza)
BUT, like I said earlier, the hoax isn't done yet - even if we are. And things could change in an instant ....... or not!
EDIT: P.S. Aren't you normally asleep at this time? Having trouble sleeping? xxx zzz
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Revealing what piece by piece? Once you know it's him, what else is there to know by that format?
+1
Bec, I wonder if it's just that our (as in the forum's) time has passed. We saw the inconsistencies, did the investigating and found out long ago that MJ is alive and that he was posting here. What more is there to do here? We've spoken before about the tendency to inflate this site's importance - I reckon he's had his fun/done his job here and has simply moved on. MJDHI will become an interesting archive of our investigations, not an active site - which is kind of how I get the feeling Souza has wanted it to be for quite some time. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, Souza)
BUT, like I said earlier, the hoax isn't done yet - even if we are. And things could change in an instant ....... or not!
So we do all the "heavy lifting" here in forum and for what?
"Gee, thanks for taking precious time away from your families/lives and burning out all your brain cells setting all this up for me. I'm going back to being worshipped by my adoring fans now...hope you all had fun?!"
:WTF:
Granted, we all came here willingly....but for it to end this way would seem pretty (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk034.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) if that's the case.
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I've been in watch and wait mode lately, which is what usually happens to me every few months.
I miss TS. I try to apply his "lessons" to what's going on now but I keep feeling like I'm missing something or not understanding certain things properly.
I don't think Front abandoned the forum but rather expanded his audience. And when has one forum been able to hang onto Michael indefinitely? I think it's a bit unfair to lump everyone who tweets him into the stalker fan/ass kisser category. Much of the hoax investigation has moved to twitter, I find it harder to keep up there but that's just me. Front made himself more available by going to twitter and those who wish to participate, do. And naturally there is going to be all sorts of personalities there.
I still find myself quite intrigued with the little mysteries that seem to go on in the hoax world, things I notice but can't quite put my finger on or just choose not to say anything.
The lack of stain-removal, the misconceptions and continuous lies about MJ, etc is what's most frustrating. I don't know how righting the wrongs will be achieved but my not knowing doesn't mean it won't happen. Changing perceptions is not easy but it's certainly not impossible.
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Bec, I wonder if it's just that our (as in the forum's) time has passed. We saw the inconsistencies, did the investigating and found out long ago that MJ is alive and that he was posting here. What more is there to do here? We've spoken before about the tendency to inflate this site's importance - I reckon he's had his fun/done his job here and has simply moved on. MJDHI will become an interesting archive of our investigations, not an active site - which is kind of how I get the feeling Souza has wanted it to be for quite some time. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, Souza)
BUT, like I said earlier, the hoax isn't done yet - even if we are. And things could change in an instant ....... or not!
EDIT: P.S. Aren't you normally asleep at this time? Having trouble sleeping? xxx zzz
Nope, up ungodly early for horse show.
I miss TS too. He made me think. It's boring now. Yes I am whining. Yes it is unbecoming. No I don't care very much. I hate when people come into your life with a flourish and then disappear with no explanation. I guess I have abandonment issues.
Ps. @curls, cute that you noticed I was off routine! Thanks, I feel special.
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LOL, I just know our paths occasionally cross first thing in my morning, but never at lunchtime! But yes, you ARE special bec! And I love how you speak your mind - when I saw the title of this thread my first thought was 'abandoned', but I didn't dare say it out loud cos it sounded too 'needy'! LOL!
Re TS - there's unfinished business there, that's what's frustrating. If he'd wrapped up all the 7's and then disappeared, things would be different. Common sense says one's belief, trust and faith in a character one only knows via the internet should be limited. I think we forgot that.
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I've been in watch and wait mode lately, which is what usually happens to me every few months.
I miss TS. I try to apply his "lessons" to what's going on now but I keep feeling like I'm missing something or not understanding certain things properly.
Thank you Andrea for bringing this up, I wanted to discuss applying TS's lessons, but felt quite awkward to do so given the atmosphere here right now....and I don't even know whether I should open a new thread for this.
So I was reading this TNZ blog post the other day which is basically about how the answers to this hoax had been planted 'way before' and if we concentrate enough on them, we'll get all our answers.
{ http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/who-cares-reads-a-wonder/ (http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/who-cares-reads-a-wonder/) }
TNZ then posts some of the comments that were present under a TMZ article dated 2009. I want to quote two comments :
DISAPPEARING ACT:
Fear of life – two angles.
DiLeo knows all.
TRUTH is right. Forget what you have read from the beginning.
The CONTRADICTIONS are the key.
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Either one of you is right and one of you is wrong, or both of you are right and both of you are wrong.
It is either a truth, lie or necessity. Each story you read is either based on fact, a lie or a necessity. It will always be one of the 3. You must decide which one it is. The truth will always be found within the contradictions themselves. The contradictions are created for an intended purpose. You need to look past the hype and scandal of each story and see the truth behind them
And so it struck me that the exercise TS made us do was to help us start with a base story and slowly add on all the information relating to it(whether it be a news article or some statement by a family member) and keep checking which one forms the "true" pattern. And because there are a lot of contradictions, we can know, with a little brainstorming, the truth.
This is the key, password or code for knowing unknown things about the hoax.
[PS. I'm really not sure what is there for us to find out but this is my basic understanding of what we are supposed to do. Maybe we can discuss about any old issues which weren't clear at that time.]
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My take on this is that we have been given enough to make our own minds up and he's moved on to other people. The world thinks MJ is dead and I guess that's the way he wants it. He just wants his fans to have enough doubt to believe he's still around somewhere and that's enough for him. In reality, if he suddenly turned up out of the blue now, he would probably be lynched - IMHO.
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Bec, I wonder if it's just that our (as in the forum's) time has passed. We saw the inconsistencies, did the investigating and found out long ago that MJ is alive and that he was posting here. What more is there to do here? We've spoken before about the tendency to inflate this site's importance - I reckon he's had his fun/done his job here and has simply moved on. MJDHI will become an interesting archive of our investigations, not an active site - which is kind of how I get the feeling Souza has wanted it to be for quite some time. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, Souza)
BUT, like I said earlier, the hoax isn't done yet - even if we are. And things could change in an instant ....... or not!
EDIT: P.S. Aren't you normally asleep at this time? Having trouble sleeping? xxx zzz
Nope, up ungodly early for horse show.
I miss TS too. He made me think. It's boring now. Yes I am whining. Yes it is unbecoming. No I don't care very much. I hate when people come into your life with a flourish and then disappear with no explanation. I guess I have abandonment issues.
Ps. @curls, cute that you noticed I was off routine! Thanks, I feel special.
I feel the same.
Haha 'abandonment issues'...the hoax is where mine started and it gave me a few other side effects, which I'd take on just for this hoax.
Yes front has moved onto a 'bigger platform' but what is it that he is exactly doing? He does post little vague visions here and there and other times he is, I don't know mentoring people, helping people, which is great. But how does this help get the hoax out there or attract more people to the hoax, most of the people he talks to are believers already.
Yes we've established that MJ is alive, but how is that supposed to mean that our part/fun is over? We established that in the first year of the hoax, did we not? We have done other things besides then with TS and what not but now we've plateaued.
Briefly what we have done in the hoax;
MJ's death - looking into the hoax, did he fake his death?
TS interaction - establishing how and why MJ faked his death (although nothing concrete, like what was 'promised') and backing it up with things that could possible hold up in court (maybe)
CM trial - establishing the events of MJ's death/life. Whether the trial was real/fake, possible sting. Made for extremely good cable.
Miscellanous articles, videos, tweets etc (throughout this hoax)- hints/clues into the potential why's of the hoax, how's of the hoax...further establishing that there was indeed a hoax.
AEG Trial - possibly/most likely real trial for vindication...dragging out, like A LOT. Not televised, so hard to focus a lot on the trial itself (for me anyway, I like (prefer) moving pictures). Out of court circus (for our entertainment, well mine anyway) during this (still ongoing) trial.
So through all these monumental events we have been tested and challenged emotionally (def. not physically as behind a computer usually requires sitting (well more so an obligation, but I mean who wants to stand)) and intellectually etc.
I miss these days, the long TS posts, the sifting of information, the trolls (some) who tried to rattle the cage (don't judge, at least it tested us (somewhat) and provided some entertainment), TS's numerology (even though I suck at the numbers game)...and more.
I'm not demanding anything and I don't want to be wanted and I'm neither begging, I just want to think and learn. Sudden change isn't always the best. And it certainly isn't in the case of an addict. If an addict decides to completely stop the next day, how would that work out? Isn't it a process? I just don't think we are made in a way where we can keep going in one direction or continue a habit for a long period of time and then have to break the habit and switch off like that.
P.S: Sorry for the amount of (brackets) --- this one, which was not necessary.
I hope it doesn't sound like I'm whining, but maybe I am...just feels like lag...sorry!
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I've been in watch and wait mode lately, which is what usually happens to me every few months.
I miss TS. I try to apply his "lessons" to what's going on now but I keep feeling like I'm missing something or not understanding certain things properly.
I don't think Front abandoned the forum but rather expanded his audience. And when has one forum been able to hang onto Michael indefinitely? I think it's a bit unfair to lump everyone who tweets him into the stalker fan/ass kisser category. Much of the hoax investigation has moved to twitter, I find it harder to keep up there but that's just me. Front made himself more available by going to twitter and those who wish to participate, do. And naturally there is going to be all sorts of personalities there.
I still find myself quite intrigued with the little mysteries that seem to go on in the hoax world, things I notice but can't quite put my finger on or just choose not to say anything.
The lack of stain-removal, the misconceptions and continuous lies about MJ, etc is what's most frustrating. I don't know how righting the wrongs will be achieved but my not knowing doesn't mean it won't happen. Changing perceptions is not easy but it's certainly not impossible.
The righting the wrongs issue that IMO is the most important thing of the hoax won't be shown until after BAM happens it won't ever happen before it so I think we have to just wait and see how everything unfolds because maybe the BAM is just the beginning of the righting the wrongs and these will be righted during the coming years.
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Ya that's how I've always seen it too, sweet. Only so much (wrongs be righted) can be done before the BAM because not enough people will be paying attention. After the BAM though...well, he'll have everyone's undivided attention and people WILL want to hear what he has to say.
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I've been in watch and wait mode lately, which is what usually happens to me every few months.
I miss TS. I try to apply his "lessons" to what's going on now but I keep feeling like I'm missing something or not understanding certain things properly.
Thank you Andrea for bringing this up, I wanted to discuss applying TS's lessons, but felt quite awkward to do so given the atmosphere here right now....and I don't even know whether I should open a new thread for this.
So I was reading this TNZ blog post the other day which is basically about how the answers to this hoax had been planted 'way before' and if we concentrate enough on them, we'll get all our answers.
{ http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/who-cares-reads-a-wonder/ (http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/who-cares-reads-a-wonder/) }
TNZ then posts some of the comments that were present under a TMZ article dated 2009. I want to quote two comments :
DISAPPEARING ACT:
Fear of life – two angles.
DiLeo knows all.
TRUTH is right. Forget what you have read from the beginning.
The CONTRADICTIONS are the key.
?:
Either one of you is right and one of you is wrong, or both of you are right and both of you are wrong.
It is either a truth, lie or necessity. Each story you read is either based on fact, a lie or a necessity. It will always be one of the 3. You must decide which one it is. The truth will always be found within the contradictions themselves. The contradictions are created for an intended purpose. You need to look past the hype and scandal of each story and see the truth behind them
And so it struck me that the exercise TS made us do was to help us start with a base story and slowly add on all the information relating to it(whether it be a news article or some statement by a family member) and keep checking which one forms the "true" pattern. And because there are a lot of contradictions, we can know, with a little brainstorming, the truth.
This is the key, password or code for knowing unknown things about the hoax.
[PS. I'm really not sure what is there for us to find out but this is my basic understanding of what we are supposed to do. Maybe we can discuss about any old issues which weren't clear at that time.]
I'm pretty sure TS and Front will come back after the BAM with all kind of explanations to fulfill their / his commitment, this artwork can't remain lame, we all believe in Michael and he can't let us down I wouldn't like to think I have thrown overboard these four years.
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Ya that's how I've always seen it too, sweet. Only so much (wrongs be righted) can be done before the BAM because not enough people will be paying attention. After the BAM though...well, he'll have everyone's undivided attention and people WILL want to hear what he has to say.
Exactly :icon_e_wink:
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LOL, I just know our paths occasionally cross first thing in my morning, but never at lunchtime! But yes, you ARE special bec! And I love how you speak your mind - when I saw the title of this thread my first thought was 'abandoned', but I didn't dare say it out loud cos it sounded too 'needy'! LOL!
Re TS - there's unfinished business there, that's what's frustrating. If he'd wrapped up all the 7's and then disappeared, things would be different. Common sense says one's belief, trust and faith in a character one only knows via the internet should be limited. I think we forgot that.
You're too cute.
But I'm not speaking my mind. I'm biting my tongue for months. I'm super dooper disappointed TS/TS_comments seemingly jumped ship. I'm disappointed Front morphed into something else and migrated to Twitter. I miss other certain personalities that used to be here all the time. I also like to think n learn (agreed with UYI). The hoax used to be interactive, so I miss those days. We used to debate and fight and trade ideas. Some very smart people called this place home and it was really cool to come hang out with them every day in my home during my Me time. Now there's a void. It was fun and I regret it's over and I regret they're gone. I feel rejected somehow. I'm such a baby but that's how I feel.
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Hi Bec: Did I ever tell you my family operated a "dude" ranch in the Berkshires of Massachusetts a very long thyme ago? I could saddle 10 horses in 25 minutes, learned to ride like a crazy fool complete with barrel racing, rodeo and learned how to play pool for money???? Ahh to be young an foolish again..... On that note, I know how you feel. I am feeling all kinds of "feelings" about the hoax. Some like you and some a bit different. I don't think things are over, just quiet. Although I didn't contribute like you, I still depended on the hoax everyday and enjoyed the friendships, stories and debates. I never put 100% of my heart into TS or Front.....Just because I wanted to protect my feelings....but looked forward to them in everyway. I remember when we first started hearing from TS, I would get up in the morning and race to the computer....even before I made my coffee to see if there was a redirect. I even remember when you first joined, I thought wow, this woman is wicked smart! Those were the days....Can't go back, must go forward, that's what I keep telling myself. I am sure there will be something lurking around the corner in some shape or form. What, I don't know, but I don't think this is over yet. But what a ride this has all been! Lots of love to you Bec and everyone else out there in hoax land :bearhug:
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@ uyi adore ur sign off lol Hilari!
@ all - re this thread subject. I'm still loving this place. Haven't been here 4 yrs only two. But it's been a ride. Have loved reading and interacting with you all. Huge respect for all mods and Souza!!
Lots of lil hoax communities out there, but here is the place I call my hoax home!!!
Thank you all for your brilliant minds and huge hearts!
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Seriously though, another answer to the subject, of how do you feel four years later.
Have to say I am a bit overwhelmed by the hoax world at times. Information overload. Not talking abt the facts and investigation, more the politics and bull crap that comes along with hoax community. The hate, etc. I think I'm going to scale down my interactions on twitter. Had good intentions of having a twitter account 2 yrs ago, but it's such a life sucker. Real drainer!! And yes, I create/welcome some of it. Should never have got involved with TWTr to the extent I am. So I'm working out what I want and what I don't want. Def want to stay part of the forum, love it here. The content is quality rather than what is offered on twitter. But prob going to get off twitter and delete account in the next few days so I can choose to spend my hoaxing time here reading quality rather than readung and contributing to the dribble Twitterland. And going to unsubscribe to the dozens of hoax blogs and my countless YT hoax vid subscriptions. Just making this place my source, otherwise I just can't keep up and it's overwhelming. And I figure if anything is really really important, it will find its way to the forum and ill see it.
So yeah, I'm just simplifying to create balance. I guess 2 yrs on that's something I that I struggle with, so looking at changing that.
Huge respect for everyone here by the way!!
Edit MJDHI will be my one stop shop for hoaxing :)
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..... Only so much (wrongs be righted) can be done before the BAM because not enough people will be paying attention. After the BAM though...well, he'll have everyone's undivided attention and people WILL want to hear what he has to say.
Totally agree Andrea, that's the most sense I've read in ages! So ..... what's he waiting for??!! :abouttime: Bring it on!
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..... Only so much (wrongs be righted) can be done before the BAM because not enough people will be paying attention. After the BAM though...well, he'll have everyone's undivided attention and people WILL want to hear what he has to say.
Totally agree Andrea, that's the most sense I've read in ages! So ..... what's he waiting for??!! :abouttime: Bring it on!
Curls I was waiting for you to agree with what Andrea and I agree :beerchug:
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Just read this blog tday http://michaeljacksonnotdead.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/michael-jacksons-doubles/ very interesting especially the pic showing that there was an imposter with a mask on pretending to be mj (apparently...)
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..... Only so much (wrongs be righted) can be done before the BAM because not enough people will be paying attention. After the BAM though...well, he'll have everyone's undivided attention and people WILL want to hear what he has to say.
Totally agree Andrea, that's the most sense I've read in ages! So ..... what's he waiting for??!! :abouttime: Bring it on!
Curls I was waiting for you to agree with what Andrea and I agree :beerchug:
LOL, am I that predictable?!
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if he suddenly turned up out of the blue now, he would probably be lynched - IMHO.
I don't completely agree though with Andrea, Sweetsunset and Curls.
Before Michael comes back there has to be atleast one reason with the public which they think is the real reason for him to fake his death. And when Michael comes back, they'll know there's more to the story. And this can be done with anything BOMBastic. He can do this by releasing a movie, which definitely won't be titled 'Michael Jackson etc etc' but some different movie title and mainstream hollywood actors. So people enter the movie theater expecting to watch one thing and they'll end up watching something else.
Michael just cannot come back any day, if he does so he'll become all negative. I believe that if Michael comes back all of a sudden, the non-fans will be in shock and the 'bloggers' and other such 'opinionated' people will start bashing Michael and such blogs and comments will brainwash people into believing that his faking death and then coming back is 'cheating', on his fans and that Michael is not only a weirdo but a first class lair.
There has to be one step in between which will prepare everyone for his comeback.
This is of-course my way of seeing the situation.
[PS. If MJ had to right the wrongs after his BAM he could also do that without faking his death, why so much of planning, execution, and hardwork?]
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@thriller well said. I agree with you.
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I dunno. If it's wrapped up in an entertainment production of some variety (movie, magic show, stage play), that leads the viewer into realizing that everything that occurred prior (with the 'death') was the preface to said entertainment production, I think it will work just fine. People will get it in hindsight, total recall n all that. Movies do it all the time--with the story only making sense finally at the end.
Something like the cirque de solei show would work, because that show is darn near is the prelude to Bamsday already.
Non fans aren't going to be angry at MJ for faking his death because they aren't emotionally involved in the death. I think the fans will be the angriest, but they are the ones he has to worry the least about. They will huff n puff n carry on for a time, and then in the end they will be glad he's not dead. Right after they feel stupid for believing their beloved MJ was a weirdo drug addict that died like that.
Non fans will be most likely to think the whole thing is pretty awesome and daring. It will instantly change their perception of MJ.
Haters will always hate. You roll right over that and move on. A facet of non fans will become fans by being charmed and mystified by him not being dead. The rest of them will be surprised, laugh about it, and then move on. Fans will be angry, for a time, and then go back to adoring him, which they already do. Hoaxers will be relieved.
I mean really, if you don't care about MJ, you aren't going to care if he's dead or suddenly actually alive. If you hate MJ, you can't hate him more if it turns out that he is alive. If you love MJ, him being actually alive isn't going to make you hate him, even if you're a little angry that you were 'duped'. So really, again, MJ has nothing to lose.
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Ps. Non-fans will be angry at the Bam only if they have something to be angry about--ie. MJ used public funds to perform his hoax. Which, I think we have resoundingly debunked. If it turns out MJ has funded the entire thing start to finish and secured all the proper permissions and authorities prior, which I think we have also proved is entirely plausible, no one has anything to be angry about.
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Michael ows us nothing. We were free to accept his death and be fine with our lives going on, sending cards to FL once a year ...
So whatever he does, being now or in 10 years or never, is only up to him, and we have nothing to expect as "a reward for 4 years waiting" (although i have few "rewarding" ideas back of my mind)
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@Bec, Non fans were never emotionally involved that is true, but it never stopped them from mocking at him. Let's take media's example, Media is never supposed to be emotionally involved with anything but simply state facts or news as we call it, but that rarely happened in MJ's case, I mean look at Nancy Grace and what she did during 2005 trial...she was mixing her personal perception of MJ while it was supposed to be only facts and proceedings.
Media calls him 'Bizarre', that's how they see him. If people were impartial towards him, they should've believed he has vitiligo, he never molested children, he was a happy BLACK MAN. But still to this day some dumbasses come to me and ask these horrible questions about him!
It would've been really awesome if people didn't bother and interfere into things which wasn't their priority but interference is the whole issue...it's one of the central issues of the death hoax. If people (non fans) never really bothered to mess up with his life, Michael would never have had the need to fake his death.
And if Michael doesn't have a mind-blowing way of letting the truth out and make people go, 'what the f-ck was I believing the whole time', then we can pretty much expect people to become judgmental as never before.
I've been stressing on public judgment for so long because I've always perceived this death hoax to be a means of vindication and clearing his name. It'll be a process of rejuvenation for Michael, an eye-opener for people and an entertainment for fans...and other 'revelation' but I don't know about that.
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I always have in the back of my mind the DVD Easter Egg idea that TS presented way, way back. Everyone's TII DVD's sat on their shelves all this time with some magical bammy goodie hidden within. That would be about as awesome as you can get IMO!
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@Bec, Non fans were never emotionally involved that is true, but it never stopped them from mocking at him. Let's take media's example, Media is never supposed to be emotionally involved with anything but simply state facts or news as we call it, but that rarely happened in MJ's case, I mean look at Nancy Grace and what she did during 2005 trial...she was mixing her personal perception of MJ while it was supposed to be only facts and proceedings.
Media calls him 'Bizarre', that's how they see him. If people were impartial towards him, they should've believed he has vitiligo, he never molested children, he was a happy BLACK MAN. But still to this day some dumbasses come to me and ask these horrible questions about him!
Those are haters rather then non-fans. Haters will always hate, there's nothing to lose there. The media is being taught a lesson. "It'll blow up in their needle-nosed faced".
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Practically talking, they are supposed to be just 'non-fans'....so when non-fans start talking rubbish, we call them haters. That is how our minds, as fans work. When we see any person being negative about MJ, we call them haters or we despise them. If we are talking to a person who just holds a neutral attitude towards MJ the conversation would mostly be 'informational' rather than a war.
And about the media being punked. If the hoax continues in the same note as present, the media will never be punked, even after Michael's comeback. If people were to be shocked with the present state of things and how media changes information for money or other sinister reasons and realize not everything in print is gospel then the established facts should be proven wrong. There's a reason why Michael said the history books are wrong. When they come out of their illusions and know the reason for MJ faking his death, MJ would've paved way for comeback, where he'll have the opportunity to be 'heard' without any judgment but complete curiosity.
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Well agreed @Thriller, at present, but hope indicates this is a work in progress.
I'm not sure non-fans will care about the reasons, and haters will just twist n distort those reasons.
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I'm not sure non-fans will care about the reasons, and haters will just twist n distort those reasons.
True. Like I mentioned in another thread, when this hoax started, I believed it was done to vindicate Michael, to 'right the wrongs'. But if that was the reason for the hoax, then the 'Bam' could have materialized three years ago, when the world was still in shock over his death and the media finally wrote mostly positive about him. Now, in my opinion, that moment has passed, and we are back at square one. Too much time has passed and negative reporting is again common. I simply cannot believe that everything happening right now, is fake or part of the hoax, directed by Michael. Like I said in the other thread, I, personally, simply can't believe that Michael would put his mother and his children through this agony (like the trial).
In other words, if he doesn't have a VERY LEGITIMATE reason for this four year 'adventure', non-fans will not care and find him even more crazy, and haters will hate even more. And think about it, is it necessary to hoax your death if you have the biggest platform in the world AND the money to reveal whatever you wish to reveal. I don't care anymore if I was spoonfed the reasons, then to go through four years of hope and fear, and now starting to think that we are being duped by I don't know who.
Sorry for being so negative :-\
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I think when Michael BAMs it will be a huge wake-up call on many levels, and not just about Michael.
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I think when Michael BAMs it will be a huge wake-up call on many levels, and not just about Michael.
most def!
afterall we are all victims of the media, not just MJ
#lies!
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I think when Michael BAMs it will be a huge wake-up call on many levels, and not just about Michael.
That's what I meant, if it were only for Michael, Bam should have happened MUCH earlier. Now he must have legitimate, major, worldwide other important reasons to reveal, because otherwise, this hoax makes no sense to me.
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I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
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I think when Michael BAMs it will be a huge wake-up call on many levels, and not just about Michael.
That's what I meant, if it were only for Michael, Bam should have happened MUCH earlier. Now he must have legitimate, major, worldwide other important reasons to reveal, because otherwise, this hoax makes no sense to me.
I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
yeah...this is what I was talking about too...some eye-opener has to be there. Don't know how this will end up, we can only keep watching, after all.
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I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
Thanks Andrea for your nice response! However, I must admit that I'm starting to have doubts about the whole hoax...Yes ofcourse I know about all the clues and contradictions and that there are lots and lots of things that point to a hoax. I absolutely don't deny that, nor do I deny all the hours and hard work many members have put in this investigation. I've been there too, being all ecstatic and telling friends about it (who thought I was crazy). But when it was at first mainly the family that convinced me through their behaviour and statements he was still alive, now it is mainly the family who make me doubt about that.
If Michael is hoaxing his death, sure the family must say in interviews and on twitter that indeed, he is dead. But why writing books about his death (at least by Jermaine, Katherine and La Toya) and make a profit of a lie about the 'death' of their son/brother, which I really feel is morally incorrect. Why the latest trial, why the Paris suicide attempt, just why?? They should have stayed in the shadows, keeping low profile. I have real problems with this, it is, IMO, too serious to consider this as 'clues', fake trials etc. If the trial is fake and just for the hoax, what sense does it make? If the trial is real, then the family is after money instead of justice for their son, brother, father. See, when I really think about it, then many clues do have a 'con'. We explained them as clues, but it turned out to be nothing. And if they aren't clues, is it real then? I don't think Paris would attempt suicide (confirmed by the family, so no BS story), if she was safe and cosy with her dad....what kind of clue would it be otherwise, to bring attention to suicide attempts by kids? I personally don't buy that story, there are other ways to bring this problem to people's attention. So, if it was real, then why did she do it?
Andrea, I don't get it straight out what I'm feeling right now, but it's just not adding up to me anymore. I can't keep track of the story line anymore...
I know how strong of a believer you are, so was I, and I don't want to bore you with this, I only hope I'm wrong and this is gonna end soon, but I'm afraid this hoax will have an open 'ending'....we end up like the Elvis-hoaxers... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
Thanks Andrea for your nice response! However, I must admit that I'm starting to have doubts about the whole hoax...Yes ofcourse I know about all the clues and contradictions and that there are lots and lots of things that point to a hoax. I absolutely don't deny that, nor do I deny all the hours and hard work many members have put in this investigation. I've been there too, being all ecstatic and telling friends about it (who thought I was crazy). But when it was at first mainly the family that convinced me through their behaviour and statements he was still alive, now it is mainly the family who make me doubt about that.
If Michael is hoaxing his death, sure the family must say in interviews and on twitter that indeed, he is dead. But why writing books about his death (at least by Jermaine, Katherine and La Toya) and make a profit of a lie about the 'death' of their son/brother, which I really feel is morally incorrect. Why the latest trial, why the Paris suicide attempt, just why?? They should have stayed in the shadows, keeping low profile. I have real problems with this, it is, IMO, too serious to consider this as 'clues', fake trials etc. If the trial is fake and just for the hoax, what sense does it make? If the trial is real, then the family is after money instead of justice for their son, brother, father. See, when I really think about it, then many clues do have a 'con'. We explained them as clues, but it turned out to be nothing. And if they aren't clues, is it real then? I don't think Paris would attempt suicide (confirmed by the family, so no BS story), if she was safe and cosy with her dad....what kind of clue would it be otherwise, to bring attention to suicide attempts by kids? I personally don't buy that story, there are other ways to bring this problem to people's attention. So, if it was real, then why did she do it?
Andrea, I don't get it straight out what I'm feeling right now, but it's just not adding up to me anymore. I can't keep track of the story line anymore...
I know how strong of a believer you are, so was I, and I don't want to bore you with this, I only hope I'm wrong and this is gonna end soon, but I'm afraid this hoax will have an open 'ending'....we end up like the Elvis-hoaxers... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Already that touched upon the topic of Paris, by way of information i public links should not be publish these topics in the forum. Read each of the links in the next article
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/amanda-bynes-following-in-the-footsteps-of-britney-spears-placed-under-conservatorship/
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/paris-jackson-sam-lutfi-influence-britney-spears/
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I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
Thanks Andrea for your nice response! However, I must admit that I'm starting to have doubts about the whole hoax...Yes ofcourse I know about all the clues and contradictions and that there are lots and lots of things that point to a hoax. I absolutely don't deny that, nor do I deny all the hours and hard work many members have put in this investigation. I've been there too, being all ecstatic and telling friends about it (who thought I was crazy). But when it was at first mainly the family that convinced me through their behaviour and statements he was still alive, now it is mainly the family who make me doubt about that.
If Michael is hoaxing his death, sure the family must say in interviews and on twitter that indeed, he is dead. But why writing books about his death (at least by Jermaine, Katherine and La Toya) and make a profit of a lie about the 'death' of their son/brother, which I really feel is morally incorrect. Why the latest trial, why the Paris suicide attempt, just why?? They should have stayed in the shadows, keeping low profile. I have real problems with this, it is, IMO, too serious to consider this as 'clues', fake trials etc. If the trial is fake and just for the hoax, what sense does it make? If the trial is real, then the family is after money instead of justice for their son, brother, father. See, when I really think about it, then many clues do have a 'con'. We explained them as clues, but it turned out to be nothing. And if they aren't clues, is it real then? I don't think Paris would attempt suicide (confirmed by the family, so no BS story), if she was safe and cosy with her dad....what kind of clue would it be otherwise, to bring attention to suicide attempts by kids? I personally don't buy that story, there are other ways to bring this problem to people's attention. So, if it was real, then why did she do it?
Andrea, I don't get it straight out what I'm feeling right now, but it's just not adding up to me óanymore. I can't keep track of the story line anymore...
I know how strong of a believer you are, so was I, and I don't want to bore you with this, I only hope I'm wrong and this is gonna end soon, but I'm afraid this hoax will have an open 'ending'....we end up like the Elvis-hoaxers... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Already that touched upon the topic of Paris, by way of information i public links should not be publish these topics in the forum. Read each of the links in the next article
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/amanda-bynes-following-in-the-footsteps-of-britney-spears-placed-under-conservatorship/
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/paris-jackson-sam-lutfi-influence-britney-spears/
Paula, I'm not sure if I understand correctly why you posted these links. Is this being discussed as a possible reason for Paris' suicide attempt? I must have missed that discussion.
But if this might be the reason, I'm even more convinced that Michael is not around anymore, because I have serious doubts that his reasons for a hoax are more important for him than the well-being and happiness of his daughter. He would be there for her, hoax or not, heck, I'm sure that all of this would never have happened, Paris acting out on twitter (or so I read) and being in the news in such a tragic matter.
I quote this phrase from the radaronline article: "This is the last thing Michael would have wanted Paris to do, especially to keep her away from people like Sam Lutfi".
I think that speaks volumes.
But maybe you quoted the links for other reasons?
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I think when Michael BAMs it will be a huge wake-up call on many levels, and not just about Michael.
That's what I meant, if it were only for Michael, Bam should have happened MUCH earlier. Now he must have legitimate, major, worldwide other important reasons to reveal, because otherwise, this hoax makes no sense to me.
@Do we all agreed long time ago that this hoax is made to expose devilish behaviours ragarding Michael and many other issues that we all called "The wake up call" . I don't know but I still believe in Michael and that he will be able to clear his name, when I said that BAM will be the beginning of the wrongs to be righted I meant that he has probably been working on it during these 4 years but after BAM is when he will show us what he did to get them righted.
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I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
Thanks Andrea for your nice response! However, I must admit that I'm starting to have doubts about the whole hoax...Yes ofcourse I know about all the clues and contradictions and that there are lots and lots of things that point to a hoax. I absolutely don't deny that, nor do I deny all the hours and hard work many members have put in this investigation. I've been there too, being all ecstatic and telling friends about it (who thought I was crazy). But when it was at first mainly the family that convinced me through their behaviour and statements he was still alive, now it is mainly the family who make me doubt about that.
If Michael is hoaxing his death, sure the family must say in interviews and on twitter that indeed, he is dead. But why writing books about his death (at least by Jermaine, Katherine and La Toya) and make a profit of a lie about the 'death' of their son/brother, which I really feel is morally incorrect. Why the latest trial, why the Paris suicide attempt, just why?? They should have stayed in the shadows, keeping low profile. I have real problems with this, it is, IMO, too serious to consider this as 'clues', fake trials etc. If the trial is fake and just for the hoax, what sense does it make? If the trial is real, then the family is after money instead of justice for their son, brother, father. See, when I really think about it, then many clues do have a 'con'. We explained them as clues, but it turned out to be nothing. And if they aren't clues, is it real then? I don't think Paris would attempt suicide (confirmed by the family, so no BS story), if she was safe and cosy with her dad....what kind of clue would it be otherwise, to bring attention to suicide attempts by kids? I personally don't buy that story, there are other ways to bring this problem to people's attention. So, if it was real, then why did she do it?
Andrea, I don't get it straight out what I'm feeling right now, but it's just not adding up to me óanymore. I can't keep track of the story line anymore...
I know how strong of a believer you are, so was I, and I don't want to bore you with this, I only hope I'm wrong and this is gonna end soon, but I'm afraid this hoax will have an open 'ending'....we end up like the Elvis-hoaxers... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Already that touched upon the topic of Paris, by way of information i public links should not be publish these topics in the forum. Read each of the links in the next article
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/amanda-bynes-following-in-the-footsteps-of-britney-spears-placed-under-conservatorship/
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/paris-jackson-sam-lutfi-influence-britney-spears/
Paula, I'm not sure if I understand correctly why you posted these links. Is this being discussed as a possible reason for Paris' suicide attempt? I must have missed that discussion.
But if this might be the reason, I'm even more convinced that Michael is not around anymore, because I have serious doubts that his reasons for a hoax are more important for him than the well-being and happiness of his daughter. He would be there for her, hoax or not, heck, I'm sure that all of this would never have happened, Paris acting out on twitter (or so I read) and being in the news in such a tragic matter.
I quote this phrase from the radaronline article: "This is the last thing Michael would have wanted Paris to do, especially to keep her away from people like Sam Lutfi".
I think that speaks volumes.
But maybe you quoted the links for other reasons?
@Do...I beg you please to read the thread about Paris' suicide bid and after it come and tell us, if you didn't investigate about it don' be so sure of your thinking about it I think you have missed something there.
@All...Michael needs our positivism and support right now more than ever we can't have negative thoughts regarding the hoax, let's wait at least until the end of October and if nothing happens then we can close the kiosk and go home, it will be very sad for me but at the same time it will be a big lesson in order not to believe in anything/anyone anymore.
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I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
Thanks Andrea for your nice response! However, I must admit that I'm starting to have doubts about the whole hoax...Yes ofcourse I know about all the clues and contradictions and that there are lots and lots of things that point to a hoax. I absolutely don't deny that, nor do I deny all the hours and hard work many members have put in this investigation. I've been there too, being all ecstatic and telling friends about it (who thought I was crazy). But when it was at first mainly the family that convinced me through their behaviour and statements he was still alive, now it is mainly the family who make me doubt about that.
If Michael is hoaxing his death, sure the family must say in interviews and on twitter that indeed, he is dead. But why writing books about his death (at least by Jermaine, Katherine and La Toya) and make a profit of a lie about the 'death' of their son/brother, which I really feel is morally incorrect. Why the latest trial, why the Paris suicide attempt, just why?? They should have stayed in the shadows, keeping low profile. I have real problems with this, it is, IMO, too serious to consider this as 'clues', fake trials etc. If the trial is fake and just for the hoax, what sense does it make? If the trial is real, then the family is after money instead of justice for their son, brother, father. See, when I really think about it, then many clues do have a 'con'. We explained them as clues, but it turned out to be nothing. And if they aren't clues, is it real then? I don't think Paris would attempt suicide (confirmed by the family, so no BS story), if she was safe and cosy with her dad....what kind of clue would it be otherwise, to bring attention to suicide attempts by kids? I personally don't buy that story, there are other ways to bring this problem to people's attention. So, if it was real, then why did she do it?
Andrea, I don't get it straight out what I'm feeling right now, but it's just not adding up to me anymore. I can't keep track of the story line anymore...
I know how strong of a believer you are, so was I, and I don't want to bore you with this, I only hope I'm wrong and this is gonna end soon, but I'm afraid this hoax will have an open 'ending'....we end up like the Elvis-hoaxers... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
You're not boring me Do, don't ever worry about that.
There are things haven't made a whole lot of sense to me about this hoax, including Paris' suicide attempt story. I would prefer to think it wasn't real but I won't dismiss it as such because we really don't know. But I do lean towards it not being real, to be completely honest. The family confirmed the story, yes, but same with Michael's "death". The "why" of it won't be determined until later, if it was part of the hoax.
About family members writing (and profiting) from books...this hoax has been available in every form of communication medium. There have been countless books written about Michael that are full of lies so having some truth from Jermaine and LaToya is refreshing - they actually know and love and grew up with Michael. They had to "lie" about his "death" because Michael can't BAM on page 123 of a book, they had to stick to the official story. But I didn't really even have to read between the lines to figure out what was really being said and of course the contradictions just kept mounting. And about making money, we don't know what Jermaine and LaToya did with their profits and a person doesn't need to buy the book in order to read it.
I don't want to end up like the Elvis hoaxers either :errrr: but I don't think we will...bec mentioned "Time Doubts" earlier and I think those doubts do creep in for most of us every now and then. I would think it's normal to become disenchanted from time to time. The hoax is so complex and convoluted when you really think of the last 4+ years. I still talk about it to my friends who ask but there would be no way I could do it justice. I don't doubt the existence of the hoax or that Michael is alive because I would have to ignore these past years and I don't think we collectively imagined it and convinced ourselves of it. I was thrown off when 2012 ended in a "fail" but there must've been a lesson in there and I got through it, as many of us did. I still wonder when IT will happen although I don't like to focus on a particular date or time frame anymore because of past disappointments. But I am excited for it and want to know how it will feel when it finally happens. I know the wait will be worth it.
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Off to bed now!
@Andrea and @Sweet :bearhug:
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I don't know if Michael is reading here but what Front has just tweeted 30 mts ago perfectly fits with our discussion here: ILLUSIONAL GAMBITS SACRIFICE SHORT-TERM LOSSES FOR LONG-TERM GAINS.
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I don't know if Michael is reading here but what Front has just tweeted 30 mts ago perfectly fits with our discussion here: ILLUSIONAL GAMBITS SACRIFICE SHORT-TERM LOSSES FOR LONG-TERM GAINS.
Which also ties in perfectly with how I've been feeling lately....a gambit is a chess term.....I feel like we have all been on a huge chess board since June 25th, 09. Illusional gambits (hoax insiders/main players) could sacrifice themselves or help end the beliefs of some hoaxers...which is a short term loss.....in order to keep the hoax going into newer and stronger levels. Levels that are only designed for the strongest hearts and minds.
A huge cat and mouse chess board...moving in the general direction our hearts feel is right for the moment. How many times have we switched directions, questioned our belief and questioned motives? Too many.....but I think that's all a part of things. We need to make those classic chess moves in order to further our adventure and strengthen our beliefs.
OK...done : )
Hope you all are doing well....still love this place too......just something about it : )
Love and Hugs....
Blessings Always
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We are not illusion-al. We are very real. Well, most of us anyway. Most times we are the only part of this whole thing that is real.
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Why write illusional .... illusion-al? Just curious....
Of course we are not illusional....I referred to the hoax-insiders/main players as the gambits in all this....the illusion movers and shakers, so to speak.
"Most times we are the only part of this whole thing that is real." --- very true, bec......
Have a great day/evening...
Blessings
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Why write illusional .... illusion-al? Just curious....
Of course we are not illusional....I referred to the hoax-insiders/main players as the gambits in all this....the illusion movers and shakers, so to speak.
"Most times we are the only part of this whole thing that is real." --- very true, bec......
Have a great day/evening...
Blessings
Illusional? We have understood all four years ago. ;D
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Just to be clear, lol.......I got the word "illusional" from sweetset's quote of Front a few days ago here on this thread:
Quote from: sweetsunsetwithMJ on Yesterday at 02:50:25 AM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23965.msg445770.html#msg445770)I don't know if Michael is reading here but what Front has just tweeted 30 mts ago perfectly fits with our discussion here: ILLUSIONAL GAMBITS SACRIFICE SHORT-TERM LOSSES FOR LONG-TERM GAINS.
Indeed....we have been understanding things far better than the general public, lol......you are so right Blankie! : )
It reminds me of LaToya's quote about watching The Illusionist......such a great movie!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdpgFhG-DQ[/youtube]
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Yes I was referring to that quote, wishingstar.
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Just to be clear, lol.......I got the word "illusional" from sweetset's quote of Front a few days ago here on this thread:
Quote from: sweetsunsetwithMJ on Yesterday at 02:50:25 AM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23965.msg445770.html#msg445770)I don't know if Michael is reading here but what Front has just tweeted 30 mts ago perfectly fits with our discussion here: ILLUSIONAL GAMBITS SACRIFICE SHORT-TERM LOSSES FOR LONG-TERM GAINS.
Indeed....we have been understanding things far better than the general public, lol......you are so right Blankie! : )
It reminds me of LaToya's quote about watching The Illusionist......such a great movie!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdpgFhG-DQ[/youtube]
You are right on that Wishing but what I really understood from that quote is that Michael wanted to reply to those who were saying the hoax is being too long and if Michael were to BAM he might have made it one year after died when the world was still shocked by his sudden death. Do you all remember the so famous phrase of Michael in TII when he said to his musicians: " You have to LET IT SIMMER LET IT SIMMER LET IT SIMMER" so be it.
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Why write illusional .... illusion-al? Just curious....
Of course we are not illusional....I referred to the hoax-insiders/main players as the gambits in all this....the illusion movers and shakers, so to speak.
"Most times we are the only part of this whole thing that is real." --- very true, bec......
Have a great day/evening...
Blessings
Amen :bearhug:
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Re: Four years later, how do you feel?
Stupid. I let horrible denial that Michael can't die go. Never had 100% belief in hoax. Now almost nothing left despite that certain things that happened still cannot be explained or make sense. But then I think, life does not make sense either why should events always make sense.
But hope dies last therefore I will never give up hoping that I am wrong.
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If you're right at least we were all stupid together.
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If you're right at least we were all stupid together.
:bearhug: :icon_geek:
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Can it be that the 77. court day is at the 29. August ? Michaels 55 th birthday ? :icon_e_smile:
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Can it be that the 77. court day is at the 29. August ? Michaels 55 th birthday ? :icon_e_smile:
Yes, that would have been the perfect date, wouldn't it? Another date is gone, and we're still here alone. Blah, blah, blah. :over-react-smiley:
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Why the lack of security in your convictions? Michael has undoubtedly escaped from the mortifying scowls of the media with their slanderous malevolence. He has just resorted to alternative means to resolve the fallacies that have occurred during his life in the spotlight. Michael has been alive since june 2009, and unless he recently departed since that period, an overwhelming feeling I have inside has allowed me to arrive at the conclusion that any sort of evidence claiming that the man has passed away is merely smoke arising from incalculable speculation. So why the skepticism associated with his (demise) when we all clearly are aware that he is still here waiting to materialize when all who have doubted say otherwise? I have never understood why there is constant questioning about the practicality of this hoax! it just doesn't logically seem to formulate. Just because no celebrity has publicly declared that they have faked their death doesnt mean it is an impossibility or has never occurred. People are so behind the belief that 9/11 was deliberately schemed by the american government for an excuse to head to war, but just because the president said otherwise, doesn't mean it's fact. come on guys, you have to stimulate your intellect! You think michael wants to be found out immediately or wants us to know his exact whereabouts at the moment?
How about we try to establish if he is even dead? Don't ask if he is truly alive, prove to me that he is dead. that is what we need to substantiate. If you can't prove it? well then, he is not dead.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tOqZUNebs[/youtube]
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How about we try to establish if he is even dead? Don't ask if he is truly alive, prove to me that he is dead. that is what we need to substantiate. If you can't prove it? well then, he is not dead.
I understand you. it's known to everyone that there are more clues pointing to Michael being alive. But it's I guess it's the insecurity that makes people talk of Michael being dead.
Patience is the key...
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Why is it that people can’t just accept the fact that Michael’s life was in danger? He said many many times that he feared for his life. There was an entire FBI investigation done on persons that had threatened his life. It is because he didn’t say exactly who he feared? It is because it’s not the Glamorous answer that would lead to a BAM Day? Is it because that is not entertaining enough and it leads to finality.
Because if anyone really believes Michael’s life was in danger, and he had to stage his death with the help of very few very intelligent people that the public knew nothing of, then you have to know that he is not going to return only to be a target. I completely DO NOT get it as to why people would say “Oh Michael would never do that to his fans” Why does everyone make it out to be about them…”the Fans”…it’s NOT about any of us. It is about a Human Being’s Life.
A man that was deeply hated by a very sinister elite group that wanted to shut his message up, and who wanted his energy off of this earth. Why do a lot of people KNOW that Michael is still alive without “In your face” evidence. Because we feel his energy and his spirit, period. But for Michael to spend years creating some Hoax and then to return years later, would be a Death sentence for him. Not to mention great Deception, which Michael is not about for any reason.
There would be no vindication because people already believe what they want to believe in spite of the truth. Evil breeds evil. Look at the people around the world that deny the existence of Jehovah, or what ever name you chose to give to the Creator, our Heavenly Father and his Son Jesus Christ. Michael studied the life of that man and lived his accordingly, but yet even people that say they Love Michael, deny Christ because his teachings don’t fit their lifestyle.
So 4 years later I see happening just what was designed to happen with “Fans” confusion and chaos and bickering and back bitting. No Love and peace and Harmony. Does anyone think Michael would have Designed this Plan? No!
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@RedRope I would advice you to kindly check out the previous "evidences" that lead many to believe Michael is alive. We are not just saying he's alive only because we feel his energy. That is false.
The forum is open for information.
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@Thriller4ever….I don’t think you are understanding my point here. I don’t need to read evidence because I do feel Michael’s energy and presence on this earth and there are many around the world that do. There are many people that read this forum that don’t post their thoughts and feeling and there are many other places where Michael’s disappearance is discussed . Maybe that is the reason so many are losing faith that he is alive because the evidence has not produced a BAM, and that is what so many are looking for.
One has to step out of the proverbial “Hoax” box and look at the reality of what Michael wrote and spoke about and in understanding the deeper meaning of his words, you can feel his energy is alive, and evidence is not needed.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tOqZUNebs[/youtube]
hey what are you trying to say?!?!
:O
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@Thriller4ever….I don’t think you are understanding my point here. I don’t need to read evidence because I do feel Michael’s energy and presence on this earth and there are many around the world that do. There are many people that read this forum that don’t post their thoughts and feeling and there are many other places where Michael’s disappearance is discussed . Maybe that is the reason so many are losing faith that he is alive because the evidence has not produced a BAM, and that is what so many are looking for.
One has to step out of the proverbial “Hoax” box and look at the reality of what Michael wrote and spoke about and in understanding the deeper meaning of his words, you can feel his energy is alive, and evidence is not needed.
RedRope I do appreciate your post but we are not psychics here I mean I would feel Michael's energy even being dead because I bring him in my heart and I listen to his music in a daily basis, lol just joking, but I guess you get where I'm coming from. You say that what we are looking and waiting for is a BAM and yes you are right because this hoax wouldn't make any sense without a BAM the fact that Michael left behind so many clues in TII (btw we should open a thread dedicated to TII that is where real MIchael is talking to us giving us those alleged clues) means that he wanted the whole world to learn he was planning to fake his death: let me bathe in my own time......., play with them (us??, media??, TPTB?? who knows??) and then.... May anybody transcript MJ's exact words please?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vptdmhwm4iE[/youtube]
I think we have strongly grabbed at straws concerning this MJ last sentence in TII that's the reason why we are waiting for the infamous BAM too, but RedRope it's not our fault if that sentence what made us believe in a BAM, how would you describe what Michael wanted to convey us with that sentence? furthermore I find it fishy that after the credits he is saying that + no RIP or 1958-2009 in the whole movie.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tOqZUNebs[/youtube]
hey what are you trying to say?!?!
:O
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Best response ever!
...It's been a rough week....I so needed that today.
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@Sunset.....Like I said in my first post here, it is distraction and manipulation, and if you knew the people behind it, you would run from this whole scheme. The age old tactic of taking the enemy down is to distract them by means that is closest to the heart. Just like when people of interest have a child kidnapped. They use that child to get the attention and to manipulate the target into focusing on their agenda. The target will do anything, think anything and see anything they are presented with in order to get their child back. Those who love Michael are the target and his Legacy is the child.
And all the while that we are focused on the child, our freedom and our livelihood is being snatched right out from under us. This is just the medium for Michael’s fans. They are doing it with every interest group around the world for whatever their focus is on. If you interest is in a politician they will use that, if your interest lies in a sports figure or a religious organization, they will use that. They know how to play you and give you the illusion of anything you put your focus on.
The energy that I speak of is the energy that Michael gives off in his human state of existence, and it doesn’t require psychic abilities, only an open mind to see beyond only those things that are visible and it is something that would not be felt if he were not alive on this earth. That is what he meant when he said we are all ONE. We are connected by that vibration and energy as long as we are in a physical body. When we leave this earth we go to a higher existence of vibration.
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@ Sunset....
Also I wanted to add that what you are saying about the “alleged clues” in TII IS just that “alleged”. I can promise you, if you had seen that footage the day after 6/25…No one would have said, “OH that is Michael giving us a clue he’s not dead but a Hoax, and is going to come back with a BAM return” It was only after the Manipulators used power of suggestion and began creating videos with those clips suggesting that Michael was returning, and this and that and the other were clues.
And yes indeed they are very capable of creating look a likes and impostors just like the ones some of you have had the unfortunate pleasure of being entangled with, to lead you down a path of disappointment and heartbreak.
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As always I think Michael has done the right thing for himself with the June 25.
And he knew perfectly well that the wickedness of the world there would always be.
He wanted to reunite with his clues and messages all the peoples who were able to receive them with heart and mind.
And we must continue united in love , leaving to others the malices , slanders and gossip .
This is the only way to make understand everyone ,the meaning of the message that Michael gave to the world on June 25
Michael see all :moonwalk_:
Off topic or maybe not .....you've seen the One Direction's movie title which was released on August 29th ? :icon_e_wink:
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=90812
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@Thriller4ever….I don’t think you are understanding my point here. I don’t need to read evidence because I do feel Michael’s energy and presence on this earth and there are many around the world that do. There are many people that read this forum that don’t post their thoughts and feeling and there are many other places where Michael’s disappearance is discussed . Maybe that is the reason so many are losing faith that he is alive because the evidence has not produced a BAM, and that is what so many are looking for.
One has to step out of the proverbial “Hoax” box and look at the reality of what Michael wrote and spoke about and in understanding the deeper meaning of his words, you can feel his energy is alive, and evidence is not needed.
Hi "Red Rope". I just want to say, lest someone would "feel" personally discouraged or less than adequate about not being able to "feel" Michael Jackson's energy here, that feelings are your own, FOR you and are unreliable as convincing argument, because they can be wrong. :icon_e_confused: I use intuition as well, but my intuition makes me curious, compelling research, NOT conclusions.
Many, many people have landed in prisons and even death row, because jurors allowed their feelings and intuition about someone they had never met and did not know, carry more weight than the evidence, when their "feelings" recoiled at a defendant's tattoos or something else. Anyway, everyone doesn't go by feel; some people KNOW they need something a little less arbitrary, something which carries weight not only in the court of public opinion, but especially in a court of Law, like cold hard FACTs in EVIDENCE. Thankfully there are lots of facts and questions, so no one will be uncertain about what is the truth, once all the facts are in.
Sometimes we all think we feel him here (on Earth AND this forum :thjajaja121:), and we all wish to, but if someone cannot honestly "tell" if he's really alive it doesn't change anything. They'll feel it real when he deems it's Time.
Yes, we can feel some energy in his words, his purposeful lyrics, and especially the words at his memorial, supposedly MJ stating that he is alive and here forever. But, only hard evidence that HE said it will remove the "supposedly" out of the statement we all read. MY feelings tell ME (alone) to sniff out and back the EVIDENCE, so I'll have something to show others, but that's just me. :icon_e_smile:
P.S. I like your name! I haven't read everywhere yet, and it may only be in reference to a red pigtail (Idk :icon_geek: )and if not, you probably know this, but a scarlet rope :icon_e_surprised: was something the old Hebrews used to tie to their High Priests' ankles in order to RETRIEVE THE BODY if he died inside the holiest place in their temple, where no one else besides him could go in and live. How coincidental :icon_exclaim:, :icon_bounce: HERE, because I think the investigated evidence is designed to do JUST THAT; produce a body OR bring living MJ OUT by his sparkly ankles!!! :o :icon_cool:
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Why is it that people can’t just accept the fact that Michael’s life was in danger? He said many many times that he feared for his life. There was an entire FBI investigation done on persons that had threatened his life. It is because he didn’t say exactly who he feared? It is because it’s not the Glamorous answer that would lead to a BAM Day? Is it because that is not entertaining enough and it leads to finality.
Because if anyone really believes Michael’s life was in danger, and he had to stage his death with the help of very few very intelligent people that the public knew nothing of, then you have to know that he is not going to return only to be a target. I completely DO NOT get it as to why people would say “Oh Michael would never do that to his fans” Why does everyone make it out to be about them…”the Fans”…it’s NOT about any of us. It is about a Human Being’s Life.
A man that was deeply hated by a very sinister elite group that wanted to shut his message up, and who wanted his energy off of this earth. Why do a lot of people KNOW that Michael is still alive without “In your face” evidence. Because we feel his energy and his spirit, period. But for Michael to spend years creating some Hoax and then to return years later, would be a Death sentence for him. Not to mention great Deception, which Michael is not about for any reason.
There would be no vindication because people already believe what they want to believe in spite of the truth. Evil breeds evil. Look at the people around the world that deny the existence of Jehovah, or what ever name you chose to give to the Creator, our Heavenly Father and his Son Jesus Christ. Michael studied the life of that man and lived his accordingly, but yet even people that say they Love Michael, deny Christ because his teachings don’t fit their lifestyle.
So 4 years later I see happening just what was designed to happen with “Fans” confusion and chaos and bickering and back bitting. No Love and peace and Harmony. Does anyone think Michael would have Designed this Plan? No!
Some great questions here RedRope and I could write a very long response (still might, if the discussion continues and I have the time), but for now I'll just pose a question to you if I may:
If Michael Jackson's life was in danger and he had to stage his death, as you suggest, why, assuming he didn't want his enemies to know he was still alive, would he not choose a convincing, natural, unremarkable, no questions asked, buried in a couple of weeks, way to die?
Surely this question has to be answered satisfactorily before even thinking of entertaining the idea of manipulators etc after June 2009.
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@ Sunset....
Also I wanted to add that what you are saying about the “alleged clues” in TII IS just that “alleged”. I can promise you, if you had seen that footage the day after 6/25…No one would have said, “OH that is Michael giving us a clue he’s not dead but a Hoax, and is going to come back with a BAM return” It was only after the Manipulators used power of suggestion and began creating videos with those clips suggesting that Michael was returning, and this and that and the other were clues.
And yes indeed they are very capable of creating look a likes and impostors just like the ones some of you have had the unfortunate pleasure of being entangled with, to lead you down a path of disappointment and heartbreak.
Oh no please don't tell me that the one saying I will play with them it's an impersonator because that is noone but MJ himself and TII is full of clues IMO.
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Curls:
If Michael Jackson's life was in danger and he had to stage his death, as you suggest, why, assuming he didn't want his enemies to know he was still alive, would he not choose a convincing, natural, unremarkable, no questions asked, buried in a couple of weeks, way to die?
Yes...and I would like to add: for the sake of his children, wouldn´t he have done just that?
No comeback would mean that they will have to live with the stimga "your dad was a pathetic drug addict" for all their lives.
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@ Curls….What Michael staged was not anything that the public saw, what he did was only to convince those that wanted to take his life that he was no longer here. What the public saw was what the Manipulators staged. But in any case there was no body, which is why what they put together for us to see was so questionable. There would be no need to hang out of a helicopter door to land and take a gurney out on the landing pad. And who knew there would be helicopter transport in order to put another helicopter in the air to film it. They had to act very quickly and they were sloppy, just like the ambulance picture. That was someone else’s doing, not Michael’s And how many years now has everyone spent pouring over all that and debating and arguing, with discord and fighting between sides of BeLIEvers and non.
@ It’s her…respectfully I will reply, that you and I aren’t even on the same page when I speak of “Feeling” And just from what your reply was, tells me that if you understood what I was saying you wouldn’t have questioned it. But it’s ok, not everyone gets it and it’s not a bad thing, it’s just that some people have that relationship with another human being and can understand what it means. You might want to take a look at this video when you have time. it will explain much better.
http://youtu.be/8yNoUTPRbl0
@Sunset......Michael played with the audience during the HIStory Tour, when he popped out of the stage and stood there with them yelling for what seemed like forever, and then BAM the music started... and that was the playing he was speaking of. Nothing more, no clue. The bottom line is...this is not game with what happened in Michael's life...he either did what he had to do, or be killed. I'm sure his children was prepared well in advance as hard as it is for them. It's just his fans that want him back so badly that can't come to terms with him not returning. Personally I would never want him to be visible to the eyes of the world. I love him to much, and understand what that would mean for him. To the world... Michael is dead and will remain that way. To those who can find a way to understand what he had to do, he will always be ALIVE. Maybe in another 4 years it will be evident. By that time life as we know it will not be the same.
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Let me breath in my own time again until I come back in, then I???? my jacket, snap my fingers, play with them, and then BAM!!
Mj says, buttoning my jacket "is true that in USA, used as urban phrase or idiom, it means death?
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Let me breath in my own time again until I come back in, then I???? my jacket, snap my fingers, play with them, and then BAM!!
Mj says, buttoning my jacket "is true that in USA, used as urban phrase or idiom, it means death?
No, that's not true. Never heard that phrase before.
General comments on the thread:
Hoax with comeback occurred to me on 6/26/09, because that's just how MJ rolls. It's his style and right up his alley. I didn't need anyone to suggest it to me, I came up with it on my own. I hadn't even watched a news report yet. I received a text message from a friend at about 5pm 6/25/09 saying MJ died of cardiac arrest and that was all I knew. Hoax with comeback was a product of my own mind and experience watching MJ the entertainer over the years.
Honestly I watched both the memorial and TII and saw no clues. The burial, on the other hand, is what cemented my belief in hoax+comeback.
I think TS/_comments is nearly solely responsible for the "life in danger" aka FBI involvement theory. No one before that was talking about anything even remotely of the sort. That's where I think the power of suggestion has muddied the waters. Just my opinion and first hand observations. The escape theory was briefly supported by some early on but was pretty much debunked by October, and completely in it's death throws by the new year 2010. Evidence to back it up failed to be produced.
Time increases doubts but it also allows some theories to be discarded as irrelevant or unrealistic.
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.... May anybody transcript MJ's exact words please?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vptdmhwm4iE[/youtube]
Sunset, his words are (brackets round bits that are unclear to me):
"Let me bathe (breathe) in my own time when I come back in. I'm gonna (un)button my shirt, jacket, (or) whatever it is. I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my finger maybe, then bam!"
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@ Curls….What Michael staged was not anything that the public saw, what he did was only to convince those that wanted to take his life that he was no longer here. What the public saw was what the Manipulators staged. ........
RedRope, I can fully entertain the idea that what the public saw was not what really happened, that's what this site is all about after all, but you're going to have to expand on "what he did was only to convince those that wanted to take his life that he was no longer here." How do you suppose he did that then? And supposing he did, did 'those that wanted him dead' go and tell 'the manipulators' - or are they one and the same? I've gathered you go on feelings, but you need to come up with evidence or at least, something more concrete than imagination if I'm to take your theory seriously. And honestly, I AM prepared, to look at any theory.
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Thanks Marum and Curls for the transcription, however I think what he really says is:"Let me breathe in my own time when I come back here" what means "in case it were a clue" that he is gonna need some time to get the wrongs righted after BAM if this finally occurs, I always thought he said: "Let me breathe in my own time and then come back here" something like he will take his time to work behind the scene and then reappear cause I do believe this phrase was made as a clue to make us wonder about his alleged "death".
Bec this phrase in the movie context "if it wasn't a clue" wouldn't make sense, I mean, it makes sense all the phrase if we talk about dance and show but what it's really weird is when he says he will play with them?? Now could you please elaborate about the clues you found in his Funeral cause I don't believe in the Hat man or Blonde lady being MJ however was very fishy to see all the dancers making the role of ushers + the use of a green screen, lol.
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Bec this phrase in the movie context "if it wasn't a clue" wouldn't make sense, I mean, it makes sense all the phrase if we talk about dance and show but what it's really weird when he says he will play with them?? Now could you please elaborate about the clues you found in his Funeral cause I don't believe in the Hat man or Blonde lady being MJ however was very fishy to see all the dancers making the role of ushers + the use of a green screen, lol.
The Liberian Girl pics all over (booklet and flanking the coffin) were what cemented it for me. I do not believe there was a green screen. I have looked at all the evidence for that and found it lacking in legitimacy. Just my opinion upon reviewing the info very carefully.
The Liberian Girl slide at the end of the memorial perked my ears up and when the pic/theme was revisited 10 fold at the burial, with the booklet back cover and the dual pics on stage, I was hooked, line n sinker, and there was no going back anymore.
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Bec this phrase in the movie context "if it wasn't a clue" wouldn't make sense, I mean, it makes sense all the phrase if we talk about dance and show but what it's really weird when he says he will play with them?? Now could you please elaborate about the clues you found in his Funeral cause I don't believe in the Hat man or Blonde lady being MJ however was very fishy to see all the dancers making the role of ushers + the use of a green screen, lol.
The Liberian Girl pics all over (booklet and flanking the coffin) were what cemented it for me. I do not believe there was a green screen. I have looked at all the evidence for that and found it lacking in legitimacy. Just my opinion upon reviewing the info very carefully.
The Liberian Girl slide at the end of the memorial perked my ears up and when the pic/theme was revisited 10 fold at the burial, with the booklet back cover and the dual pics on stage, I was hooked, line n sinker, and there was no going back anymore.
Oh Ok so then you found the same clue in the Memorial no only Funeral. Yes I agree with you that Liberian Girl pic is a strong evidence Michael is behind the camera and rolling if not the whole hoax at least most of it of course always excluding AEG trial what doesn't make any sense since MJ is allegedly alive.
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Yes. When the Liberian theme returned, and therefore was not just a coincidence in it's use, that was it. I mean, the slide at the memorial may have just been coincidentally used. It was a famous promo shot of MJ after all, widely used in conjunction with his brand pre-6/25/09, so it's showing up at the memorial wasn't really surprising. It being the final slide was a little odd, but whatever. One "hoaxy" thing does not an entire death hoax make... but when the theme reappeared with seemingly a vengeance at Burial, well, that's just too much to be ignored or explained away.
I still remember like it was yesterday, seeing those pics on the stage and catching a glimpse of the red shirted back cover on the booklet and being like oh hell here we go. I buckled up and the rest is history.
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@curls….I gather from the comments that folks here do not really understand the concept of “Feeling” First, I didn’t say that I felt Michael did this or that. My statement was…I know that he is ALIVE because I can feel his energy, the energy that his soul gives off, the vibrations from the Aura that comes from his heart. I put a video in my other comment, but I gather that you have not viewed that or you would understand that I’m not saying that I feel he did one thing or another
As far as you needing concrete evidence in order to believe my theory; first I have to say, I don’t have a theory, and I don’t expect you to believe any of it, that is a conclusion you will have to come to on your own. It’s simply understanding Michael’s dignity and his upstanding character. It is a process of elimination as to what he would not do, being the Man that he is. It seems to me that the interest here lies not in how Michael was treated and why he had to do the things he did, and who was behind the misery invoked upon him to put him in such a place of having to disappear, but rather “HOW” he pulled it off and wanting proof of it. That is something no one in this world will ever know but Michael and the people he involved. That is like asking an FBI agent to give you evidence from the crime scene without letting them into the room. It just won’t happen, and if you are looking for that in order to believe that all this was anything but a show, then I’m afraid that is all it will ever be to you.
Did Michael know that when he was gone, that Sony would take the footage being filmed and use it for monetary gain, I’m absolutely certain of it. Did he inject certain hidden messages of things to come, hoping that people could grasp what he wanted to convery, I think very well he must have, with the visual on the clocks and with the “4 years to get it right” but it will take an understanding far beyond entertainment to realize what he was trying to convey. Was he trying anywhere to tell us this was all a joke, to get even and vindicate himself, I could never imagine Michael wasting his time trying to convince people of anything in such away. If anything it would make those that already believe the lies to see him as self absorbed and frivolous and Michael is not of that character.
Focusing on “how” Michael swayed the people that wanted him dead, is like someone saying “Michael had to rush to the airport and jump a plane as fast as he could to get away”….and then a reporter asking….”well what kind of car did he drive to get there, and what kind of plane were they flying, and did anyone get pictures for proof”? It totally blows off the whole point of the Investigation, not to mention waving a big red flag in the enemy's face and shouting...."over here over here, here's how he did it!"
Anyone is free to believe whatever makes them feel better, but if people really don’t want to be gut punched by subversion and illusion and time wasted while so much is happening right now on the planet that indicate we are in serious trouble, then maybe it would be helpful to go at this investigation from another view point other than an return and for entertainment and vindication, otherwise we can’t feel victimized when things don’t play out the way we had dreamed of.
This is all of the commenting I will do. I feel like I have explained myself as best possible, because I think most have their minds made up as to the outcome they are looking for and all that can be done now is for you to wait as see how it plays out for you….My bottom line is, I know Michael is alive and I know he will not return and I know that the world is headed for some very dangerous and dark days. I just want to be ready. God Bless you all with Love….RR
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BEARDEN:
Yeah, we gotta work that one out.
Let me bathe in my own time
when I come back in.
BEARDEN:
Yeah, you got it.
I'm gonna button my shirt
or my jacket or whatever it is.
I'm gonna look around a little bit,
play with them.
[SNAPPING FINGERS]
Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!
["HEAL THE WORLD" PLAYING]
[CROWD CHEERING]
[MICHAEL LAUGHS]
Whoo!
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/a1/this-is-it-script-transcript.html (http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/a1/this-is-it-script-transcript.html)
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@RedRope , We all are here not because we are badly craving for Michael comeback. Having him back is a whole another issue. But it would be better if you removed the idea that all of us are here only and solely for enjoying the illusion. No one is enjoying here.... We all badly need the truth. That's why we are here. MJDHI is not an entertainment forum, it's a frigging serious discussion platform where baseless ideas are wiped off.
Now coming to what you have to say.
Not everyone can feel Michael's 'energy' the way you do. I can totally understand what you mean by saying 'vibrations'. But when you say he is alive, you should not be forgetting that there are clues/conditions/situations/whatever that say the same thing. If we are to combine all that happened prior to and post June 25th, then one is compelled to believe he is alive. Such are the events.
So not only are you receiving those MJ vibrations which make you feel he is alive, but there are also real life situations that make us feel he is alive. The only difference is that you are holding on to your energy while we are holding on to tangible proofs.
And you will have to prove yourself what you are saying. You can't just come forth, say what you have to with no proof backing up. Don't get me wrong redrope, but the way you portray the rest of the believers to be some hoax-maniacs is not right.
Looking for answers is not wrong. Each fan has equal right to know what has happened to MJ because we have not seen Michael as just a celebrity, he is a part of us, we laugh with him and we cry for him, I'm pretty sure each one of us prays for Michael before retiring for the day, for Michael's happiness.
Talking about the world being in danger, well not just you, but everyone of us is prepared. We are, as of now, not organizing any rallies for sure, but who knows what the future is?
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@RedRope, of course, if you don't want to say any more that's fine, but you haven't answered my question, and I was genuinely interested in hearing an explanation of:
"what he did was only to convince those that wanted to take his life that he was no longer here."
We are not all sitting here waiting for a BAM, and you do us a disservice lumping us all together in some sort of a caricature of closed-minded hoaxers. Most of us accept that in considering many scenarios we got a lot wrong over the years. I feel somewhat offended by the unneccesary hostile undertones I detect in your posts. It's a pity - without that we could have had a good discussion.
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Like I said, there are many that read the Forum and never comment. They come here to get idea's and information. So my comments aren't for any specific individual they are general comments concerning a Hoax viewpoint. I'm sorry that you chose to take offense to anything that I convey. But I see no need to debate, as you will take further offense.
What kind of proof would you like and about what?
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I don't want you to provide me with 'proof' - I just want you to explain why and how you think MJ convinced his enemies that he was dead, before the manipulators took over and presented the 'official' death story to the public.
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Even though you are banned I am still replying to your post as you are probably still reading here.
Because if anyone really believes Michael’s life was in danger, and he had to stage his death with the help of very few very intelligent people that the public knew nothing of, then you have to know that he is not going to return only to be a target. I completely DO NOT get it as to why people would say “Oh Michael would never do that to his fans” Why does everyone make it out to be about them…”the Fans”…it’s NOT about any of us. It is about a Human Being’s Life.
Can you please actually "THINK" about what you are saying. Not being facetious here. But think about your theory and about "endangerment" if so, then why didn't make his hoax "Iron Clad" ? Why didn't he iron out all bumps so there were no clues? The hoax is a production, just like his music videos and projects. Why (if this was done for endangerment) were there huge holes in the production, unlike other productions thriller, ghosts, history blah blah blah which were executed to the epitome of perfection? Those productions were for entertainment. This one (you claim) to save his life. Why then isn't it perfect to cover the trail? (holes in stories, inconsistencies, family not in complete collaboration with each other, clear green screen funeral, staged photographs that are obvious, insinuations he is alive at memorial and the list rolls on) Can you see the holes in your theory?
Because we feel his energy and his spirit, period.
Funny how you quote believing in 'Jehovah', when followers of Jehovah don't actually believe in energies, aura's and spirits. I am not poking holes in your statements to embarrass you and to be honest don't care if you believe in energies, spirits, etc, nor anyone else here, (it's their right and prerogative) my goal in pointing this out is just that I don't want others to feel that this is a teaching or thought that a JW believes. You may be only in learning stage, or not entirely familiar and even perhaps not a JW, I just wanted to clear it up for the others reading so they are not confused as many people here have asked about JW beliefs and I have explained them, furthermore 'auras, energies and spirits' are definitely not one of them.
This is besides the fact that MJ is a man/human/homosapien/normalperson, just like everyone else on the planet. Just happens to be talented. Like, riddiculously talented!
There would be no vindication because people already believe what they want to believe in spite of the truth. Evil breeds evil. Look at the people around the world that deny the existence of Jehovah, or what ever name you chose to give to the Creator, our Heavenly Father and his Son Jesus Christ.
This is where your post annoyed me. You win bees with honey not venom. Many people across the world don't believe in the existence of Jehovah or God (choose which is right for you) for various reasons, not because they are evil. It implies that only those who believe in Jehovah are good and as a practicing JW I can say that this is NOT what we are taught nor believe.
Many have not yet come to know God because they are not ready or haven't looked into it enough, have not come into contact with God or the Bible, haven't had something in their life yet or a reason "to" search for God. Some live in a country where belief in God is not accessible, promoted, or foreign etc. (I actually went to Hong Kong last year and spoke to a group of young people on the train and asked what religion they were or what God they believed in. They saw my little Bible as I read 10 minutes a day mostly on public transport. They were asking "what is it" they never heard of the bible Nor of religion nor God (I know huh??) and were confused about my question, could not process what I was asking, because they said they believe in business, money and education. Yes this is in Hong Kong the Trading capital of the world)
Others don't believe in God because they come from war torn countries and have lost loved ones, children wives, fathers, babies, mothers etc. Some have hurt so much and experienced such extreme suffering that the concept of God is impossible. Others are technically/scientifically minded and therefore delve into facts/figures/data instead of faith. Some have been turned off God because of the disgusting things that happen in the name of 'Religion' and therefore are lost, confused etc. As Jesus said "Sheep thrown around without a shepherd."
And some are simply exercising their God given right to freedom of choice. And that is what I love about GOD, he didn't make us robots, he made us with the free will and choice...
"In love he adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will-to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.” Ephesians 1:4-6
Those that exercise their choice not to believe "God" are not evil. They are not "Ignorant" They are not anything other than simply exercising their God given free will.
I please ask that you be careful of the context in which you use Jehovah's name and be mindful of the wording you choose. I'd hate to think that others reading misunderstand your comments as teaching/belief of Jehovah's witnesses. (Just sayin' for anyone else reading) Again, I don't mean to embarrass you, if you weren't banned I would PM you.
Furthermore and 'sorry' if this offends people here, but yes MJ studied Jesus but did he live his life according to Christ? (not saying he didn't btw)... (referring to your comment below)
Michael studied the life of that man and lived his accordingly, but yet even people that say they Love Michael, deny Christ because his teachings don’t fit their lifestyle.
We don't know how he 'lived' his life and if it were in complete accordance with Christ. He is imperfect just like us all. And much of what we saw of MJ was a facade so who really knows how he lived. Accepting MJ doesn't equate to accepting the Christ. Please don't get it twisted!
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So 4 years later I see happening just what was designed to happen with “Fans” confusion and chaos and bickering and back bitting. No Love and peace and Harmony. Does anyone think Michael would have Designed this Plan? No!
Why not?? It is after all how he designed his entire career.
Some people are still under false illusions about Michael Jackson.
"I'll be grotesque before your eyes" was a 25 year long strategy. At least!
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I still wonder how can "I'll make my life a nightmare for 25 years, for the only pleasure to surprise you" could EVER be a plan for life.
Was he wearing a "kick my ass" T-shirt so people remember he wanted to play victim 100% of the time ?
Would he phone someone "hey could you accuse me of child molesting, cause i think my life sucks since few months, i'm a bit bored, i think a trial would make it more fun, and help me lose little fat before my next tour"
I'm sorry i really don't buy this. I only saw a man suffering through the years, trying to give his best and ALWAYS being thrown back to the place people decided he belong : Wacko Jacko throne. If you don't even allow him to be just human and have a life that is not perfect, and prefer turning him into a semi-God, then i don't know what to say. :icon_neutral:
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MJ did a whole lot of living his own private life in between media snippets that span the last 25 years. Don't forget that what we (think we) know about events in those 25 years of MJ's life could probably fill a total of 2 chronological weeks.
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Let me breath in my own time again until I come back in, then I???? my jacket, snap my fingers, play with them, and then BAM!!
Mj says, buttoning my jacket "is true that in USA, used as urban phrase or idiom, it means death?
No, that's not true. Never heard that phrase before.
General comments on the thread:
Hoax with comeback occurred to me on 6/26/09, because that's just how MJ rolls. It's his style and right up his alley. I didn't need anyone to suggest it to me, I came up with it on my own. I hadn't even watched a news report yet. I received a text message from a friend at about 5pm 6/25/09 saying MJ died of cardiac arrest and that was all I knew. Hoax with comeback was a product of my own mind and experience watching MJ the entertainer over the years.
Honestly I watched both the memorial and TII and saw no clues. The burial, on the other hand, is what cemented my belief in hoax+comeback.
I think TS/_comments is nearly solely responsible for the "life in danger" aka FBI involvement theory. No one before that was talking about anything even remotely of the sort. That's where I think the power of suggestion has muddied the waters. Just my opinion and first hand observations. The escape theory was briefly supported by some early on but was pretty much debunked by October, and completely in it's death throws by the new year 2010. Evidence to back it up failed to be produced.
Time increases doubts but it also allows some theories to be discarded as irrelevant or unrealistic.
Bec, thanks, do not really remember where I read that meaning "button his shirt ..."
I agree with you, that in TII, I saw no clues, but in the memorial, when the Gospel choir singing "Soon and very soon We are going to see the King ... that was the moment when I felt that it was not real.
And so it remains until the truth comes to light
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So 4 years later I see happening just what was designed to happen with “Fans” confusion and chaos and bickering and back bitting. No Love and peace and Harmony. Does anyone think Michael would have Designed this Plan? No!
Why not?? It is after all how he designed his entire career.
Some people are still under false illusions about Michael Jackson.
"I'll be grotesque before your eyes" was a 25 year long strategy. At least!
At least he knows that it's almost impossible to spread love and live in peace in this world. It's a dream that can never come true! Believers didn't disappoint him. They just showed their human nature!
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So 4 years later I see happening just what was designed to happen with “Fans” confusion and chaos and bickering and back bitting. No Love and peace and Harmony. Does anyone think Michael would have Designed this Plan? No!
Why not?? It is after all how he designed his entire career.
Some people are still under false illusions about Michael Jackson.
"I'll be grotesque before your eyes" was a 25 year long strategy. At least!
At least he knows that it's almost impossible to spread love and live in peace in this world. It's a dream that can never come true! Believers didn't disappoint him. They just showed their human nature!
And experiences help to change and improve ourself .... Michael knows this !! :moonwalk_:
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I feel like over the past four years, we have come through three main patterns.
They bind together the core of what I have come to feel about it all.
They are as follows.......
The Three Muses
Vision
Meaning
Level
The three muses of this hoaxland adventure. Independently, they could have various means to the imagination. However, when put together in the context of a hoax, they are an explosive and cunning way to use the imagination to expand the just causes of what we have endured for over 4 years. Together, these three little words have the power to create distractions, excel thoughts and bring the mind to places its never been. Let us have a look........
Vision:
In the beginning, there was darkness. The world for anyone who respected Michael, collapsed onJune 25th, 2009. The world was darkened and nobody wanted to believe the news. Slowly, people began to see past the media reports, past the tabloid headlines. Slowly, the online world of a death hoax took shape. Glimmers of light came from videos. The forums began to glue things together. What vision of June 25th were people going to believe the most......to beLIEve or not to believe, that was the question for all in the beginning. Obviously, I chose to beLIEve fully in a death hoax scenario. What I did not realize was that the vision I chose, was actually more difficult. To believe the death of Michael Jackson came at the hands of an unqualified doctor, is believing Michael simply did not care about life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I think a man such as MJ, develops such a passion for life, there is nothing he could do more than love it fully. Even in the darkest of his hours, I think Michael fully embraced loving life. He is a magical soul who thinks way outside the box.However, it is easier to believe the media reports, the websites, the tabloids (gag)....are they not just the epitome of truth? Yes, just plain believing Michael died on June 25th, 2009, is the easiest. Fans have grieved, non-fans have even grieved. The choice was theirs and they did what they needed to do....that is all fine and good. On the other hand, beLIEving in the greatest death hoax in the history....has taken years of my life, the patience of Job and the stubbornness of 100 donkeys. It has been a long, hard, exasperating road. The moment I saw the ambulance back out of Carolwood, I knew something was up. I felt like it was a super surreal episode of the Twilight Zone. If I have learned anything through all this adventure; it is that we, the public, had a choice to be a part of Michael's visionary history or simple let it pass by. It almost feels like I morphed into some alternate version of Thriller. Out and about on a nice day, having fun...then the horrible news reared its ugly head......MJ is dead. "Not possible," I said fighting back screams of tears....I wanted to run away and hide from it. The thriller followed......and kept on scaring me. I am looking forward to the ending of this real-life version of Thriller --->back home safely asleep on my couch! It has all been a bad dream....or has it?
Meaning:
To sum up the meaning(s) of this wild ride down the rabbit hole would take endless speculation. However, I do believe there are many exact reasons for this adventure. We have been exposed to the media like never before. Partaking in the headlines ourselves, and feeling we can contribute thoughts through the social networks--->such as I am doing right now. Decades ago, I could have written a similar essay. It would have stayed in a folder, never to be shared with anyone. Now writers, thinkers, doers all have the same potential as any media members. The playing field has been leveled through technology. Because of that, the media is easier to expose...if you know where to look. The facts surrounding June 25th are at best sketchy. The media would have us look at paramedic reports, autopsy reports, legal papers, court documents and more....how much of these are even legitimate? I still contend that HIPPA would have prevented many of these from being released. So much personal medical information has been shown. Again, being exposed to this through the media and having a choice of what to believe. Many people read the reports and believe each word...fine. But, those who followed closely, will read those reports and beLIEve a different tale. So changing how the public views the headlines...a big deal. We beLIEvers have also learned much about art, history, religion, politics, science, and ourselves. It is the learning of one's self that will take us further down the rabbit hole. Each time I learn something about myself, I am empowered to go farther, dig deeper and open my mind even more. The world is huge place, yet it gets smaller by the day. I feel more ready to deal with things now, than four years ago. Friendships formed, friendships broken....all with lessons learned. The online world of this hoax, takes a toll both mentally and physically. We can only speculate as the true meaning of it all. However, I am reminded of a post I did almost a year ago. It was in response to the subject of how Michael would not have done this to his fans. I am going to just post a part of it here for you read:
So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
Give them the thrill of a lifetime?
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading?
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given?
I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing. He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment. He broke barriers and shattered records all his life. I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax. But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.
That is all still very relevant in my thoughts......Michael gave his fans this opportunity. Some took it,some did not. It is not up to me to change people's minds about if Michael died or not....it is about people realizing it for themselves, learning to accept things they can not see or understand and just have faith. Man in the Mirror has played in my heart and mind all through this adventure. To learn and change one's heart, one's mind into a positive, loving outcome....what better gift?
Levels:
So many.....so many indeed! This hoax began for most of the world June 25, 2009. Increasing chatter however, possibly puts the beginning much earlier. I do not know too much about that...it is fascinating to think about. Right now, all I can do is embrace June 25th. The very first levelwas an infant step.....to open the mind to a possibility. It is so difficult for people to do even that.People are set in their ways, their beliefs and their hearts. For me, it took expanding the mind and really thinking about what Michael might have done. He is known as The King of Pop. I have always thought that, "Pop" meant more than just music. So when I decided to jump on the first level in 2009, and beLIEve.....I was hooked. The more I read, the more I studied, the more I became a steadfast beLIEver in Michael's adventure called Hoax. This time, the song, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'came to my mind. It was the start of the forums, the videos, the blogs, and the websites. It was, indeed, the start of something big. The internet was teaming with bloggers, writers, video makers...all wanting to expose the clues of the hoax. It was the greatest of times. Each day brought new thoughts, new ideas, newclues. We were introduced to people like DaveDave, TS and eventually Front. It was too high to get over, and too low to get under.....I was stuck in the the middle. Middle Hoax, like Middle Earth, had many pathways,cliffs, ditches, and dead-ends. However, one clear path always existed for me.....faith, hope and love. That path was clearly the correct one. With those things, I have stayed the course, on target with my full belief in Michael. The levels have been deep and wide. Canvasing my heart and mind, trying to make me fall......I will not. The beLIEVers now have seemingly begun a division...sad, but true. With the formation of multiple forums, different beliefs on our man of the hour--->Front, different beliefs on some vital aspects....the lines were drawn carefully. Now, the song Beat It is being played out in full these days. West Side Hoax should be the stage play. If anyone wants to write that with me after BAM, let me know....I am always game for a new adventure! I still do not know what to make of it all. Taking sides is not how I like to live. I have been friends with many people and intend on staying that way if at all possible. I want to see this through and bring people together from all pointsof the globe and thoughts......from deaders to the most ardent beLIEvers. I have a feeling it will take another level of pain and frustration to get there. I will not turn away, I hope others do not either. If perseverance and patience were ever a level....I have that for sure. Perhaps, I should queue up Come Together .... one of my favorites!
Whatever you may or may not believe, please know Michael cares about you and believes fully in the power of you. This is something I have come to realize. He is in control of this grand adventure, and each person matters. Regardless of social media choices and beliefs in June 25th, we are still one. We are one under the umbrella of the greatest entertainer of our time: Michael Jackson. God Bless him, his family....and us. Hold on tight my friends, it is only going to get better!
As always, look to the stars and count the wishes of yours...I'll be there too!
Blessings always,
Wishingstar
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I feel like over the past four years, we have come through three main patterns.
They bind together the core of what I have come to feel about it all.
They are as follows.......
The Three Muses
Vision
Meaning
Level
The three muses of this hoaxland adventure. Independently, they could have various means to the imagination. However, when put together in the context of a hoax, they are an explosive and cunning way to use the imagination to expand the just causes of what we have endured for over 4 years. Together, these three little words have the power to create distractions, excel thoughts and bring the mind to places its never been. Let us have a look........
Vision:
In the beginning, there was darkness. The world for anyone who respected Michael, collapsed onJune 25th, 2009. The world was darkened and nobody wanted to believe the news. Slowly, people began to see past the media reports, past the tabloid headlines. Slowly, the online world of a death hoax took shape. Glimmers of light came from videos. The forums began to glue things together. What vision of June 25th were people going to believe the most......to beLIEve or not to believe, that was the question for all in the beginning. Obviously, I chose to beLIEve fully in a death hoax scenario. What I did not realize was that the vision I chose, was actually more difficult. To believe the death of Michael Jackson came at the hands of an unqualified doctor, is believing Michael simply did not care about life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I think a man such as MJ, develops such a passion for life, there is nothing he could do more than love it fully. Even in the darkest of his hours, I think Michael fully embraced loving life. He is a magical soul who thinks way outside the box.However, it is easier to believe the media reports, the websites, the tabloids (gag)....are they not just the epitome of truth? Yes, just plain believing Michael died on June 25th, 2009, is the easiest. Fans have grieved, non-fans have even grieved. The choice was theirs and they did what they needed to do....that is all fine and good. On the other hand, beLIEving in the greatest death hoax in the history....has taken years of my life, the patience of Job and the stubbornness of 100 donkeys. It has been a long, hard, exasperating road. The moment I saw the ambulance back out of Carolwood, I knew something was up. I felt like it was a super surreal episode of the Twilight Zone. If I have learned anything through all this adventure; it is that we, the public, had a choice to be a part of Michael's visionary history or simple let it pass by. It almost feels like I morphed into some alternate version of Thriller. Out and about on a nice day, having fun...then the horrible news reared its ugly head......MJ is dead. "Not possible," I said fighting back screams of tears....I wanted to run away and hide from it. The thriller followed......and kept on scaring me. I am looking forward to the ending of this real-life version of Thriller --->back home safely asleep on my couch! It has all been a bad dream....or has it?
Meaning:
To sum up the meaning(s) of this wild ride down the rabbit hole would take endless speculation. However, I do believe there are many exact reasons for this adventure. We have been exposed to the media like never before. Partaking in the headlines ourselves, and feeling we can contribute thoughts through the social networks--->such as I am doing right now. Decades ago, I could have written a similar essay. It would have stayed in a folder, never to be shared with anyone. Now writers, thinkers, doers all have the same potential as any media members. The playing field has been leveled through technology. Because of that, the media is easier to expose...if you know where to look. The facts surrounding June 25th are at best sketchy. The media would have us look at paramedic reports, autopsy reports, legal papers, court documents and more....how much of these are even legitimate? I still contend that HIPPA would have prevented many of these from being released. So much personal medical information has been shown. Again, being exposed to this through the media and having a choice of what to believe. Many people read the reports and believe each word...fine. But, those who followed closely, will read those reports and beLIEve a different tale. So changing how the public views the headlines...a big deal. We beLIEvers have also learned much about art, history, religion, politics, science, and ourselves. It is the learning of one's self that will take us further down the rabbit hole. Each time I learn something about myself, I am empowered to go farther, dig deeper and open my mind even more. The world is huge place, yet it gets smaller by the day. I feel more ready to deal with things now, than four years ago. Friendships formed, friendships broken....all with lessons learned. The online world of this hoax, takes a toll both mentally and physically. We can only speculate as the true meaning of it all. However, I am reminded of a post I did almost a year ago. It was in response to the subject of how Michael would not have done this to his fans. I am going to just post a part of it here for you read:
So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
Give them the thrill of a lifetime?
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading?
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given?
I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing. He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment. He broke barriers and shattered records all his life. I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax. But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.
That is all still very relevant in my thoughts......Michael gave his fans this opportunity. Some took it,some did not. It is not up to me to change people's minds about if Michael died or not....it is about people realizing it for themselves, learning to accept things they can not see or understand and just have faith. Man in the Mirror has played in my heart and mind all through this adventure. To learn and change one's heart, one's mind into a positive, loving outcome....what better gift?
Levels:
So many.....so many indeed! This hoax began for most of the world June 25, 2009. Increasing chatter however, possibly puts the beginning much earlier. I do not know too much about that...it is fascinating to think about. Right now, all I can do is embrace June 25th. The very first levelwas an infant step.....to open the mind to a possibility. It is so difficult for people to do even that.People are set in their ways, their beliefs and their hearts. For me, it took expanding the mind and really thinking about what Michael might have done. He is known as The King of Pop. I have always thought that, "Pop" meant more than just music. So when I decided to jump on the first level in 2009, and beLIEve.....I was hooked. The more I read, the more I studied, the more I became a steadfast beLIEver in Michael's adventure called Hoax. This time, the song, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'came to my mind. It was the start of the forums, the videos, the blogs, and the websites. It was, indeed, the start of something big. The internet was teaming with bloggers, writers, video makers...all wanting to expose the clues of the hoax. It was the greatest of times. Each day brought new thoughts, new ideas, newclues. We were introduced to people like DaveDave, TS and eventually Front. It was too high to get over, and too low to get under.....I was stuck in the the middle. Middle Hoax, like Middle Earth, had many pathways,cliffs, ditches, and dead-ends. However, one clear path always existed for me.....faith, hope and love. That path was clearly the correct one. With those things, I have stayed the course, on target with my full belief in Michael. The levels have been deep and wide. Canvasing my heart and mind, trying to make me fall......I will not. The beLIEVers now have seemingly begun a division...sad, but true. With the formation of multiple forums, different beliefs on our man of the hour--->Front, different beliefs on some vital aspects....the lines were drawn carefully. Now, the song Beat It is being played out in full these days. West Side Hoax should be the stage play. If anyone wants to write that with me after BAM, let me know....I am always game for a new adventure! I still do not know what to make of it all. Taking sides is not how I like to live. I have been friends with many people and intend on staying that way if at all possible. I want to see this through and bring people together from all pointsof the globe and thoughts......from deaders to the most ardent beLIEvers. I have a feeling it will take another level of pain and frustration to get there. I will not turn away, I hope others do not either. If perseverance and patience were ever a level....I have that for sure. Perhaps, I should queue up Come Together .... one of my favorites!
Whatever you may or may not believe, please know Michael cares about you and believes fully in the power of you. This is something I have come to realize. He is in control of this grand adventure, and each person matters. Regardless of social media choices and beliefs in June 25th, we are still one. We are one under the umbrella of the greatest entertainer of our time: Michael Jackson. God Bless him, his family....and us. Hold on tight my friends, it is only going to get better!
As always, look to the stars and count the wishes of yours...I'll be there too!
Blessings always,
Wishingstar
GREAT post :th_bravo: ,thank you very much !!!!
Talking about Dreams :ghsdf:,oh yea for sure it has all been a DREAM,it has to be lol :LolLolLolLol:......a good one or a bad ,who knows anymore :icon_lol: ,"cause I went from negative to positive",and vice versa all this time :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_geek: !!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMeWQXE38dA[/youtube]
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As always I think Michael has done the right thing for himself with the June 25.
And he knew perfectly well that the wickedness of the world there would always be.
He wanted to reunite with his clues and messages all the peoples who were able to receive them with heart and mind.
And we must continue united in love , leaving to others the malices , slanders and gossip .
This is the only way to make understand everyone ,the meaning of the message that Michael gave to the world on June 25
Michael see all :moonwalk_:
Off topic or maybe not .....you've seen the One Direction's movie title which was released on August 29th ? :icon_e_wink:
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=90812
Thanks for the tip Blankie :icon_e_wink: ,but how about THIS IS the end with James Franco ;) ??
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kliQSsD_npo[/youtube]
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And what about this:
Closer to the Truth is the twenty-sixth solo studio album by American singer-actress, Cher. Due for a September 2013 release, it is her first record since Living Proof nearly 12 years earlier. This marks the longest gap in Cher's six-decade album release history. The first single from Closer to the Truth, "Woman's World" was released in the US and Canada on June 18, 2013. Closer to the Truth includes songwriting from Timbaland and P!nk, plus performances by the latter as well as the Scissor Sisters’ Jake Shears.[1][2] ------->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closer_to_the_Truth_(Cher_album)
http://www.spin.com/articles/timbaland-michael-jackson-full-album-producing-posthumous/
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I sent Michael Bearden a twitlonger asking him about the meaning of the words MJ said after TII credits due to I always thought MJ was referring to Media when he said "I will play with them" but it seems I was wrong, I sent it to Michael Beardem because he was the one interacting with MJ when he (MJ) said those words and see what he answered me, of course I am pretending to be a non-believer in this case:
@michaelbearden Hi Michael I always follow you and I have a question about TII movie that remains in my mind since Michael Jackson died--> do you know what did he mean when he said as follows:
Let me bathe in my own time
when I come back in.
I'm gonna button my shirt
or my jacket or whatever it is.
I'm gonna look around a little bit,
PLAY WITH THEM???, lol.---> with who????
Snap my fingers maybe, then BAM!
Please I would like to have your feedback, it's very important to me.
Thanks in advance, hugs,
Raquel
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenbdb.png)
And he answered me: MJ was talking about You guys "Fans". His Audience.
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Great confirmation, Sunset, thanks for posting.
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Great confirmation, Sunset, thanks for posting.
You are welcome Bec.
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Oh I forgot to say that Michael Bearden deleted that tweet so it must be some important info I guess hence he deleted it, lol
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Oh I forgot to say that Michael Bearden deleted that tweet so it must be some important info I guess hence he deleted it, lol
I ,however, do not understand why he deleted his tweet (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/non-desol%E9-987.gif)
Thanks sweet for your great job :bearhug:
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Yesterday I tweeted a quick note...this morning I realized some of you guys here are not on twitter .
You are all quite special. I have a special place in my heart for you and the forum....4 years
has been been so fast ! Anyways..just wanted you all here to read my short tweet..........
Here it is:
Do you have any idea how cool MJ fans really are? Well I do .... They are amazing, thank you!
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Yesterday I tweeted a quick note...this morning I realized some of you guys here are not on twitter .
You are all quite special. I have a special place in my heart for you and the forum....4 years
has been been so fast ! Anyways..just wanted you all here to read my short tweet..........
Here it is:
Do you have any idea how cool MJ fans really are? Well I do .... They are amazing, thank you!
Thank you, wishingstar :-* You are amazing too :bearhug:
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Sometime it takes me some time to put good words between 2 silly messages. I was talking with Darina about the hoax and about the gift of love. I was telling her that fakers only have love in their words, but that Michael actually made an act of love by trusting us, offering us all this info about him.
All this things we didn't know, or didn't know yet. He disappeared, but he never opened his heart that much.
He gave us a wonderfull opportunity to enter his world, know about what inspires him, influence him... all this music, movies, litterature that i never heard about, because we have different cultures.
In a way, i never felt so close to Michael and i think this is HIS GIFT to us, out of love for us. He is not there but i feel he knew he could have trust in people who love him and open his world without us thinking he is nuts or "strange". Letting people know about what you have in your heart, is something rather scary,, and yet if people who are shown can understand you, then you feel loved.
we got all this since 4 years and it's even more than all the questions we could ever ask to him. He gave himself to us, putting his trust in us for not judging him.
No matter what love you can be shown all around by people who write ABOUT love, Michael GAVE LOVE to us, hoping for LOVE in return. This is his gift to us and i really wish to thank him for it.
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There are things haven't made a whole lot of sense to me about this hoax, including Paris' suicide attempt story. I would prefer to think it wasn't real but I won't dismiss it as such because we really don't know. But I do lean towards it not being real, to be completely honest. The family confirmed the story, yes, but same with Michael's "death". The "why" of it won't be determined until later, if it was part of the hoax.
About family members writing (and profiting) from books...this hoax has been available in every form of communication medium. There have been countless books written about Michael that are full of lies so having some truth from Jermaine and LaToya is refreshing - they actually know and love and grew up with Michael. They had to "lie" about his "death" because Michael can't BAM on page 123 of a book, they had to stick to the official story. But I didn't really even have to read between the lines to figure out what was really being said and of course the contradictions just kept mounting. And about making money, we don't know what Jermaine and LaToya did with their profits and a person doesn't need to buy the book in order to read it.
I don't want to end up like the Elvis hoaxers either :errrr: but I don't think we will...bec mentioned "Time Doubts" earlier and I think those doubts do creep in for most of us every now and then. I would think it's normal to become disenchanted from time to time. The hoax is so complex and convoluted when you really think of the last 4+ years. I still talk about it to my friends who ask but there would be no way I could do it justice. I don't doubt the existence of the hoax or that Michael is alive because I would have to ignore these past years and I don't think we collectively imagined it and convinced ourselves of it. I was thrown off when 2012 ended in a "fail" but there must've been a lesson in there and I got through it, as many of us did. I still wonder when IT will happen although I don't like to focus on a particular date or time frame anymore because of past disappointments. But I am excited for it and want to know how it will feel when it finally happens. I know the wait will be worth it.
I've been away for a few weeks due to illness, so you'll have to forgive for my belated feedback, but Andrea just want to say I loved this post of yours x
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I feel like over the past four years, we have come through three main patterns.
They bind together the core of what I have come to feel about it all.
They are as follows.......
The Three Muses
Vision
Meaning
Level
The three muses of this hoaxland adventure. Independently, they could have various means to the imagination. However, when put together in the context of a hoax, they are an explosive and cunning way to use the imagination to expand the just causes of what we have endured for over 4 years. Together, these three little words have the power to create distractions, excel thoughts and bring the mind to places its never been. Let us have a look........
Vision:
In the beginning, there was darkness. The world for anyone who respected Michael, collapsed onJune 25th, 2009. The world was darkened and nobody wanted to believe the news. Slowly, people began to see past the media reports, past the tabloid headlines. Slowly, the online world of a death hoax took shape. Glimmers of light came from videos. The forums began to glue things together. What vision of June 25th were people going to believe the most......to beLIEve or not to believe, that was the question for all in the beginning. Obviously, I chose to beLIEve fully in a death hoax scenario. What I did not realize was that the vision I chose, was actually more difficult. To believe the death of Michael Jackson came at the hands of an unqualified doctor, is believing Michael simply did not care about life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I think a man such as MJ, develops such a passion for life, there is nothing he could do more than love it fully. Even in the darkest of his hours, I think Michael fully embraced loving life. He is a magical soul who thinks way outside the box.However, it is easier to believe the media reports, the websites, the tabloids (gag)....are they not just the epitome of truth? Yes, just plain believing Michael died on June 25th, 2009, is the easiest. Fans have grieved, non-fans have even grieved. The choice was theirs and they did what they needed to do....that is all fine and good. On the other hand, beLIEving in the greatest death hoax in the history....has taken years of my life, the patience of Job and the stubbornness of 100 donkeys. It has been a long, hard, exasperating road. The moment I saw the ambulance back out of Carolwood, I knew something was up. I felt like it was a super surreal episode of the Twilight Zone. If I have learned anything through all this adventure; it is that we, the public, had a choice to be a part of Michael's visionary history or simple let it pass by. It almost feels like I morphed into some alternate version of Thriller. Out and about on a nice day, having fun...then the horrible news reared its ugly head......MJ is dead. "Not possible," I said fighting back screams of tears....I wanted to run away and hide from it. The thriller followed......and kept on scaring me. I am looking forward to the ending of this real-life version of Thriller --->back home safely asleep on my couch! It has all been a bad dream....or has it?
Meaning:
To sum up the meaning(s) of this wild ride down the rabbit hole would take endless speculation. However, I do believe there are many exact reasons for this adventure. We have been exposed to the media like never before. Partaking in the headlines ourselves, and feeling we can contribute thoughts through the social networks--->such as I am doing right now. Decades ago, I could have written a similar essay. It would have stayed in a folder, never to be shared with anyone. Now writers, thinkers, doers all have the same potential as any media members. The playing field has been leveled through technology. Because of that, the media is easier to expose...if you know where to look. The facts surrounding June 25th are at best sketchy. The media would have us look at paramedic reports, autopsy reports, legal papers, court documents and more....how much of these are even legitimate? I still contend that HIPPA would have prevented many of these from being released. So much personal medical information has been shown. Again, being exposed to this through the media and having a choice of what to believe. Many people read the reports and believe each word...fine. But, those who followed closely, will read those reports and beLIEve a different tale. So changing how the public views the headlines...a big deal. We beLIEvers have also learned much about art, history, religion, politics, science, and ourselves. It is the learning of one's self that will take us further down the rabbit hole. Each time I learn something about myself, I am empowered to go farther, dig deeper and open my mind even more. The world is huge place, yet it gets smaller by the day. I feel more ready to deal with things now, than four years ago. Friendships formed, friendships broken....all with lessons learned. The online world of this hoax, takes a toll both mentally and physically. We can only speculate as the true meaning of it all. However, I am reminded of a post I did almost a year ago. It was in response to the subject of how Michael would not have done this to his fans. I am going to just post a part of it here for you read:
So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
Give them the thrill of a lifetime?
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading?
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given?
I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing. He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment. He broke barriers and shattered records all his life. I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax. But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.
That is all still very relevant in my thoughts......Michael gave his fans this opportunity. Some took it,some did not. It is not up to me to change people's minds about if Michael died or not....it is about people realizing it for themselves, learning to accept things they can not see or understand and just have faith. Man in the Mirror has played in my heart and mind all through this adventure. To learn and change one's heart, one's mind into a positive, loving outcome....what better gift?
Levels:
So many.....so many indeed! This hoax began for most of the world June 25, 2009. Increasing chatter however, possibly puts the beginning much earlier. I do not know too much about that...it is fascinating to think about. Right now, all I can do is embrace June 25th. The very first levelwas an infant step.....to open the mind to a possibility. It is so difficult for people to do even that.People are set in their ways, their beliefs and their hearts. For me, it took expanding the mind and really thinking about what Michael might have done. He is known as The King of Pop. I have always thought that, "Pop" meant more than just music. So when I decided to jump on the first level in 2009, and beLIEve.....I was hooked. The more I read, the more I studied, the more I became a steadfast beLIEver in Michael's adventure called Hoax. This time, the song, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'came to my mind. It was the start of the forums, the videos, the blogs, and the websites. It was, indeed, the start of something big. The internet was teaming with bloggers, writers, video makers...all wanting to expose the clues of the hoax. It was the greatest of times. Each day brought new thoughts, new ideas, newclues. We were introduced to people like DaveDave, TS and eventually Front. It was too high to get over, and too low to get under.....I was stuck in the the middle. Middle Hoax, like Middle Earth, had many pathways,cliffs, ditches, and dead-ends. However, one clear path always existed for me.....faith, hope and love. That path was clearly the correct one. With those things, I have stayed the course, on target with my full belief in Michael. The levels have been deep and wide. Canvasing my heart and mind, trying to make me fall......I will not. The beLIEVers now have seemingly begun a division...sad, but true. With the formation of multiple forums, different beliefs on our man of the hour--->Front, different beliefs on some vital aspects....the lines were drawn carefully. Now, the song Beat It is being played out in full these days. West Side Hoax should be the stage play. If anyone wants to write that with me after BAM, let me know....I am always game for a new adventure! I still do not know what to make of it all. Taking sides is not how I like to live. I have been friends with many people and intend on staying that way if at all possible. I want to see this through and bring people together from all pointsof the globe and thoughts......from deaders to the most ardent beLIEvers. I have a feeling it will take another level of pain and frustration to get there. I will not turn away, I hope others do not either. If perseverance and patience were ever a level....I have that for sure. Perhaps, I should queue up Come Together .... one of my favorites!
Whatever you may or may not believe, please know Michael cares about you and believes fully in the power of you. This is something I have come to realize. He is in control of this grand adventure, and each person matters. Regardless of social media choices and beliefs in June 25th, we are still one. We are one under the umbrella of the greatest entertainer of our time: Michael Jackson. God Bless him, his family....and us. Hold on tight my friends, it is only going to get better!
As always, look to the stars and count the wishes of yours...I'll be there too!
Blessings always,
Wishingstar
Wishy, ur amazables! Seriously love ya more and more each time I read ur posts! #respect
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sorry if i'm off topic, but i couldn't find the correct thread. i know i'm 3 dys late but what (if anything) happened with robert connors. checked his YT page nothing.
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sorry if i'm off topic, but i couldn't find the correct thread. i know i'm 3 dys late but what (if anything) happened with robert connors. checked his YT page nothing.
this is the thread : http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24090.msg447456/topicseen.html#new (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24090.msg447456/topicseen.html#new)
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sorry if i'm off topic, but i couldn't find the correct thread. i know i'm 3 dys late but what (if anything) happened with robert connors. checked his YT page nothing.
this is the thread : http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24090.msg447456/topicseen.html#new (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24090.msg447456/topicseen.html#new)
thanks thriller4ever....WEIRD !!
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I feel like over the past four years, we have come through three main patterns.
They bind together the core of what I have come to feel about it all.
They are as follows.......
The Three Muses
Vision
Meaning
Level
The three muses of this hoaxland adventure. Independently, they could have various means to the imagination. However, when put together in the context of a hoax, they are an explosive and cunning way to use the imagination to expand the just causes of what we have endured for over 4 years. Together, these three little words have the power to create distractions, excel thoughts and bring the mind to places its never been. Let us have a look........
Vision:
In the beginning, there was darkness. The world for anyone who respected Michael, collapsed onJune 25th, 2009. The world was darkened and nobody wanted to believe the news. Slowly, people began to see past the media reports, past the tabloid headlines. Slowly, the online world of a death hoax took shape. Glimmers of light came from videos. The forums began to glue things together. What vision of June 25th were people going to believe the most......to beLIEve or not to believe, that was the question for all in the beginning. Obviously, I chose to beLIEve fully in a death hoax scenario. What I did not realize was that the vision I chose, was actually more difficult. To believe the death of Michael Jackson came at the hands of an unqualified doctor, is believing Michael simply did not care about life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I think a man such as MJ, develops such a passion for life, there is nothing he could do more than love it fully. Even in the darkest of his hours, I think Michael fully embraced loving life. He is a magical soul who thinks way outside the box.However, it is easier to believe the media reports, the websites, the tabloids (gag)....are they not just the epitome of truth? Yes, just plain believing Michael died on June 25th, 2009, is the easiest. Fans have grieved, non-fans have even grieved. The choice was theirs and they did what they needed to do....that is all fine and good. On the other hand, beLIEving in the greatest death hoax in the history....has taken years of my life, the patience of Job and the stubbornness of 100 donkeys. It has been a long, hard, exasperating road. The moment I saw the ambulance back out of Carolwood, I knew something was up. I felt like it was a super surreal episode of the Twilight Zone. If I have learned anything through all this adventure; it is that we, the public, had a choice to be a part of Michael's visionary history or simple let it pass by. It almost feels like I morphed into some alternate version of Thriller. Out and about on a nice day, having fun...then the horrible news reared its ugly head......MJ is dead. "Not possible," I said fighting back screams of tears....I wanted to run away and hide from it. The thriller followed......and kept on scaring me. I am looking forward to the ending of this real-life version of Thriller --->back home safely asleep on my couch! It has all been a bad dream....or has it?
Meaning:
To sum up the meaning(s) of this wild ride down the rabbit hole would take endless speculation. However, I do believe there are many exact reasons for this adventure. We have been exposed to the media like never before. Partaking in the headlines ourselves, and feeling we can contribute thoughts through the social networks--->such as I am doing right now. Decades ago, I could have written a similar essay. It would have stayed in a folder, never to be shared with anyone. Now writers, thinkers, doers all have the same potential as any media members. The playing field has been leveled through technology. Because of that, the media is easier to expose...if you know where to look. The facts surrounding June 25th are at best sketchy. The media would have us look at paramedic reports, autopsy reports, legal papers, court documents and more....how much of these are even legitimate? I still contend that HIPPA would have prevented many of these from being released. So much personal medical information has been shown. Again, being exposed to this through the media and having a choice of what to believe. Many people read the reports and believe each word...fine. But, those who followed closely, will read those reports and beLIEve a different tale. So changing how the public views the headlines...a big deal. We beLIEvers have also learned much about art, history, religion, politics, science, and ourselves. It is the learning of one's self that will take us further down the rabbit hole. Each time I learn something about myself, I am empowered to go farther, dig deeper and open my mind even more. The world is huge place, yet it gets smaller by the day. I feel more ready to deal with things now, than four years ago. Friendships formed, friendships broken....all with lessons learned. The online world of this hoax, takes a toll both mentally and physically. We can only speculate as the true meaning of it all. However, I am reminded of a post I did almost a year ago. It was in response to the subject of how Michael would not have done this to his fans. I am going to just post a part of it here for you read:
So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
Give them the thrill of a lifetime?
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading?
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given?
I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing. He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment. He broke barriers and shattered records all his life. I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax. But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.
That is all still very relevant in my thoughts......Michael gave his fans this opportunity. Some took it,some did not. It is not up to me to change people's minds about if Michael died or not....it is about people realizing it for themselves, learning to accept things they can not see or understand and just have faith. Man in the Mirror has played in my heart and mind all through this adventure. To learn and change one's heart, one's mind into a positive, loving outcome....what better gift?
Levels:
So many.....so many indeed! This hoax began for most of the world June 25, 2009. Increasing chatter however, possibly puts the beginning much earlier. I do not know too much about that...it is fascinating to think about. Right now, all I can do is embrace June 25th. The very first levelwas an infant step.....to open the mind to a possibility. It is so difficult for people to do even that.People are set in their ways, their beliefs and their hearts. For me, it took expanding the mind and really thinking about what Michael might have done. He is known as The King of Pop. I have always thought that, "Pop" meant more than just music. So when I decided to jump on the first level in 2009, and beLIEve.....I was hooked. The more I read, the more I studied, the more I became a steadfast beLIEver in Michael's adventure called Hoax. This time, the song, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'came to my mind. It was the start of the forums, the videos, the blogs, and the websites. It was, indeed, the start of something big. The internet was teaming with bloggers, writers, video makers...all wanting to expose the clues of the hoax. It was the greatest of times. Each day brought new thoughts, new ideas, newclues. We were introduced to people like DaveDave, TS and eventually Front. It was too high to get over, and too low to get under.....I was stuck in the the middle. Middle Hoax, like Middle Earth, had many pathways,cliffs, ditches, and dead-ends. However, one clear path always existed for me.....faith, hope and love. That path was clearly the correct one. With those things, I have stayed the course, on target with my full belief in Michael. The levels have been deep and wide. Canvasing my heart and mind, trying to make me fall......I will not. The beLIEVers now have seemingly begun a division...sad, but true. With the formation of multiple forums, different beliefs on our man of the hour--->Front, different beliefs on some vital aspects....the lines were drawn carefully. Now, the song Beat It is being played out in full these days. West Side Hoax should be the stage play. If anyone wants to write that with me after BAM, let me know....I am always game for a new adventure! I still do not know what to make of it all. Taking sides is not how I like to live. I have been friends with many people and intend on staying that way if at all possible. I want to see this through and bring people together from all pointsof the globe and thoughts......from deaders to the most ardent beLIEvers. I have a feeling it will take another level of pain and frustration to get there. I will not turn away, I hope others do not either. If perseverance and patience were ever a level....I have that for sure. Perhaps, I should queue up Come Together .... one of my favorites!
Whatever you may or may not believe, please know Michael cares about you and believes fully in the power of you. This is something I have come to realize. He is in control of this grand adventure, and each person matters. Regardless of social media choices and beliefs in June 25th, we are still one. We are one under the umbrella of the greatest entertainer of our time: Michael Jackson. God Bless him, his family....and us. Hold on tight my friends, it is only going to get better!
As always, look to the stars and count the wishes of yours...I'll be there too!
Blessings always,
Wishingstar
Wishy, ur amazables! Seriously love ya more and more each time I read ur posts! #respect
Aweeee......you are so sweet to say that....it really, really means a lot to me.
I love reading your posts...always so full of thought and perspective.....really appreciate them!
It's been a long 4+ years, hasn't it? So full of things I would have never imagined!
I still shake my head at the fact I am still online, lol......and writing through it all.
Thank you again........much appreciated!
Have a beautiful day!
LOVE
PS>
I posted a twitlonger yesterday....it was a different and sort of fun exercise.
Here it is:
The Power of One: One Word at a Time
I have always known the power of music and what it can make you feel.
What I find interesting, is the power of words with music. Not as in song.......
as single words, gathered together as one thought. I have a little exercise for you to
try......you may not enjoy it, like it, or otherwise be moved. However, I suspect you will.
I recently came across a piece of music that instantly moved me to tears. It reminded me
of Michael's life....his talent, his light, his love for all things. I have it here for you to listen.
Please begin the music in a separate tab/window, then read the following with the beats
of the music.....and feel.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDzSVrFX-0[/youtube]
Michael Jackson......
One Word at a Time
Love
Talent
Passion
Gifted
Sharing
Laughter
Humility
Dreams
Creative
Expression
Fever
Willing
Caress
Temptation
Captivating
Inspired
Drama
Sadness
Sign
Vision
Planning
Execution
Trials
Lies
Broken
Pain
Strength
Light
Spirit
Staring
Dangerous
Effective
Incredible
Determination
Perfection
Giving
Stunning
Beauty
Respect
Artistry
Living
Powerful
Invincible
Capable
Grateful
Heart
Soul
Amazing
Grace
Love
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I wrote these 50 words on impulse, to the beat of this music. As you can see, Michael
begins and ends with one word: love.
Have a blessed day and thank you for reading!
Wishingstar
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It's been 4 years since he "disappeared ".Time is going so fast.What can I say, I miss him so much , I never stopped believing and dreaming of a comeback .What really matters is him to be OK , happy and healthy .I hope from the bottom of my heart that now he can live exactly like he want's to.
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Hi friends :icon_razz: time flies and a week ago I realized that 4 years passed unbelievable fast and nothing has changed in my heart - I still believe and wish him to be happy and healthy!
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A couple of weeks ago a friend was asking me if I still believe that Michael is alive, even after 4 years of no signs (from her non-believer POV). My answer was"yes, I still do and nothing can change that", even more my faith has grown over the 4 years. I am a believer from the start and until this day I am happy to have read, researched, collected news, clues, dots etc and to have learned about this hoax. I am more and more convinced and I have faith that Michael has many reasons behind his hoax and that this hoax is serving multiple purposes. I am also glad to have joined you in this hoax adventure here, with some of you for many years now. I wouldn´t have missed it for the world. Although I am not posting as often as I used to do, I am still with you. I am dividing time between this forum, MJfam on Twitter and the BacktoFront forum, all with LOVE.
And of course I would love to see Michael back, no matter if it is on a movie screen, on stage, in a music production, behind the camera or behind the curtain, what matters (to me) is that he´s happy and doing all the things he always wanted to do/achieve/live. So I hope all is going well according to his (hoax) plan and in his life. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Love always :bearhug:
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Hi friends :icon_razz: time flies and a week ago I realized that 4 years passed unbelievable fast and nothing has changed in my heart - I still believe and wish him to be happy and healthy!
Emulik Hello! Welcome back home, it makes me happy to know you're here. Get all my love and light in your heart! :bearhug:
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Hi friends :icon_razz: time flies and a week ago I realized that 4 years passed unbelievable fast and nothing has changed in my heart - I still believe and wish him to be happy and healthy!
Emulik Hello! Welcome back home, it makes me happy to know you're here. Get all my love and light in your heart! :bearhug:
We are really a greatest family !!!! Love you all very very much!!! :bearhug:
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Hi friends :icon_razz: time flies and a week ago I realized that 4 years passed unbelievable fast and nothing has changed in my heart - I still believe and wish him to be happy and healthy!
Emulik Hello! Welcome back home, it makes me happy to know you're here. Get all my love and light in your heart! :bearhug:
We are really a greatest family !!!! Love you all very very much!!! :bearhug:
Hi Emulik, so nice to see you back :)
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So it's alittle over four years now...........On day one the moment I found out I hoped it was a hoax and that he took his babies to live peacefully somewhere out of public eye......I also felt that he would feel the need to come back.....so sad this has not happened yet :icon_e_confused:
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Hi guys.
After 4 years, I just don't know what I feel. I took a long break from the hoaxland, not because I wnated to, but because things just happened in my life and the wave just took me with it, I've met new people who captured my attention, I've learned new things about myself, about my mind, my feelings, which I constantly try to analize and understand better.
Michael, if you are here, though it sounds crazy to still believe you're here, Michael, I want to say I'm sorry for being weak, for not staying here full time till the end, not because I've lost faith, but because maybe it was enough. I am not a patient person. I am that kind of results-oriented person, and I just don't have patience to wait indefinitely for something to happen. Of course you're in charge, you do whatever you want to, but your plans are made on such a long term that it's too much for me. This is it...sorry Michael, I don't know what else to say.
As listening to your music became too painful, I started to listen to different genders so I can distance myself from something that caused me joy but also a deep pain. Your music forces people to leave their comfort zone and fight to be better, to change themselves, to try to be perfect, like the Bible says, and ...I've just gave up at some point, maybe I've reached a critical point or something,I had to move on to stop the suffering involved in the process of change.
Sometimes I listen to your music again and I end up crying every single time. Because you are too good for this world, too good for me, I feel unworthy or maybe the air upthere is too thin for me, I don't know, let's just say I'm only human and I can not be perfect. Yeah I love the golden pants and all that they mean to women, but I don't feel bad about myself for that. I mean what's not to like :)) ? If this is a sin, I can't fight with it and in fact I don't want to fight it for a second :) because it feels good :).
........... I am not sure what I feel. Looking back to those first days after June 25th I still can not believe you are dead. Though the probability is that you are indeed dead. It hurts less now, let's say now I can accept the idea, after so many years I can finally accept it without feeling like the whole life doesn't have sense anymore. But it still looks like a hoax, I must say :).
Anyway, I love you, you're the closest to perfection from all people I know or don't know hahahahha! In my head you're the closest to perfection. I wish you are happy, rich and free.
And of course I love you Michael Jackson, like everybody else here, I love you handsome.
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Hi Gina !!!! glad to see you !!! :)
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Hi Gina, nice to see you here again! Glad you found good people. No matter if you walked away and it was good for you, fine, but as my mother says "always came home" Welcome! :bearhug:
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thank you guys. I admire you for not giving up, really
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New here. I have been reading this forum for awhile and decided to join. Been aware of the hoax since the beginning. I do think "something" is about to go down with MJ. More and more things seem to be coming out. :Pulling_hair:
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Hi Michaelslady - can you be more specific on what is happening to make you believe something's about to happen? I'd love to hear what you have to say.
Welcome :)
Blessings to you!
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I still feel the same - don't post much but am still following and believe he is 'out there' somewhere.
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So it's alittle over four years now...........On day one the moment I found out I hoped it was a hoax and that he took his babies to live peacefully somewhere out of public eye......I also felt that he would feel the need to come back.....so sad this has not happened yet :icon_e_confused:
off topic. this clip in your signature , where does it come from? it has always intrigued me whenever i see it. wanting to see more of what is going on at the time of it.
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I took a lot of distance since few time... maybe that's what helps me to be back here from time to time to says "i'm still here".
All i know is that this story last for too long to be a simple "death". It was strange in the beginning and the fact that it is still going on, IS strange.
I'm still so full of hopes, and full of question and full of "fed-up-ness" lol I don't know where to start lol It's like this little song that comes one day in your head, you sing it all day long, you hate it and like it at the same time, and when you think you forgot it, here it comes again to tickle your ears and you start humhumming again.
This hoax cannot leave you alone. No matter what, it's here, it's in everything you see, hear, say.... It comes back any time you enter a shop where MJ's music is playing. It runs at you anytime you see the number 7 adding up somewhere. And you think you're nuts.
It's here all around me, because MJ's is always somewhere in my heart. He keeps knocking gently at my door, reminding me there's nothing i can do about it, to forget about the hoax, forget about him. I look at all those "clues" in my life, making me think MJ is not dead,MJ is someplace i don't know ,yet. I look at it with a smile and i think to myself "Maybe soon, i know you'll do that in your own time, as you always did" and i try to get back to everyday stuff.
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I couldn't have said it better, whatyourheartsays. I'm still a believer. Although I don't care to visit this site much anymore I am grateful that it was here when I needed it and still here for all of us.
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Isn't it about time we updated the title of this thread? ... or started a new one - 'five years later'!
Here's something if you have the time and inclination - find your posts from early on in this thread :compute:, see if you've changed in a year, :icon_e_surprised: perhaps, or :icon_redface: maybe, and be reminded of old members who no longer post :icon_e_sad:.
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Isn't it about time we updated the title of this thread? ... or started a new one - 'five years later'!
Here's something if you have the time and inclination - find your posts from early on in this thread :compute:, see if you've changed in a year, :icon_e_surprised: perhaps, or :icon_redface: maybe, and be reminded of old members who no longer post :icon_e_sad:.
When it's five years later on the 25th of June.