Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

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Title: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: applehead250609 on February 09, 2013, 05:09:41 PM
Well it seems that recently Tommy spoke about Michael again and had alot to say about him  ;) .About the Army of YES MEN and that he was a MONEY MACHINE :( I agree but this doesen't mean that Murray said YES to MJ when he would ask for his Milk lol  :LolLolLolLol:  :icon_lol: !!!!!!

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Tommy Mottola Talks Invincible
Michael Jackson was the most brilliant artist of our time. He went through tons of abuse in early childhood that scarred him for life, monumentally overwhelming success, public scrutiny, and various surgeries. That can take over someone’s psyche and isolate him. On top of that, he had an army of yes men who were there to grant his every request. Yes, Michael, yes, Michael, yes, Michael, yes. There was absolutely no one who stood up and told Michael Jackson reality. When sales of Invincible completely stalled, I was the one who had to deliver reality. I was the one who had to say, “No, Michael, we cannot and will not put millions more into the promotion of this album.” When somebody who’s accustomed to hearing only yes suddenly hears no, it’s only natural for him lash out.”
http://mjstar.co.uk/index.php/2013/02/tommy-mottola-talks-invincible/ (http://mjstar.co.uk/index.php/2013/02/tommy-mottola-talks-invincible/)

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Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: paula-c on February 09, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
And I suspect that this man is behind many of the bad things that happened to Michael, I am referring to the child molestation charges 
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: applehead250609 on February 09, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
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And I suspect that this man is behind many of the bad things that happened to Michael, I am referring to the child molestation charges

You might be right Paula but don't you think its strange that suddenly Tommy has memory problems  :WTF: ????? The whole Mottola stuff happened in 2002 and the molestation trial, more than a year after  :suspect:  :icon_rolleyes: .What  Invincible sales has to do with the accusations I really don't understand cause the child molestation charges did NOT happen anywhere near Invincible .
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: blankie on February 09, 2013, 06:19:44 PM
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And I suspect that this man is behind many of the bad things that happened to Michael, I am referring to the child molestation charges


Agree Paula, totally agree.... :(
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on February 09, 2013, 06:28:29 PM

I don't know if this articel has ever been posted on the forum.



http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/553749

therese January 07, 2010
 

Someone posted a link to this article on facebook, and it is really interesting so i want to share it with more people.... if this is all true i feel even more sorry for michael and his situation with sony. If this wasn't a conspiracy i dont know what was.
 
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur6406.cfm
 
(April 16, 2002)
 Making its way to press and news agencies globally via the Internet is a document that meticulously outlines a nasty legal battle between Sony Music and its most famous superstar, Michael Jackson. If the allegations mentioned in the release are true, then Sony, in a move that is unusual but not unheard of in the high stakes world of pop music, is playing hardball to wrest control of ATV Music publishing company from Jackson in retaliation for the star's reported attempt to leave the label for which he has recorded since 1975. The circulation of the email, the origins of which we haven't been able to trace but which contains information only insiders would be privy to, chronicles all the ways Sony has allegedly set out to keep Jackson's Invincible CD from turning a profit and why, and appears to be a campaign designed to bring attention to Jackson's plight. EUR contacted Epic Records, the Sony Music division/label that released Invincible, but at deadline time, we had not received a response. Below is the communique in its entirety.
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 Today, only five months after the release of INVINCIBLE, Michael Jackson is invisible... His new album has disappeared from the charts around the world. This situation is quite unusual for the King of Pop, an artist whose albums have always been hot items in terms of promotion for at least two years after their release. Today, only five months after its release, INVINCIBLE has become invisible. It did sell an astonishing 5 million copies in less than 3 months though, a record-breaking figure in such a short time, even by Michael Jackson's standards. But after enjoying a successful launch, Jackson's best ever, INVINCIBLE suddenly dropped out of the charts and became yesterday's news. What are the reasons behind the fall of INVINCIBLE? How come a successful album with a huge potential suddenly stops being promoted? THE TRUTH The reason why INVINCIBLE is no longer being promoted by Sony Music is because the record company is fighting with Michael Jackson over a financial matter. A few years ago, as an advance on payments on the forthcoming sales of INVINCIBLE, Michael Jackson negotiated a loan from Sony Music, a common transaction between artists and record companies. In order to validate the loan, Michael Jackson had to put his ownership in the ATV Music Publishing catalog (including the 251-song Beatles' catalog) as collateral. The ATV Music catalog was bought by Michael Jackson in 1985. In 1995, it was merged with Sony Music's Sony Music Publishing catalog to become ATV/Sony Music Publishing. When merging his ATV catalog with Sony's, Michael Jackson pocketed a sum estimated to be 95 million dollars. Today, Sony Music is pressuring Michael Jackson to refund the loan he took from them. And they have the means to do so. The problem is that Sony Music are simultaneously preventing Michael Jackson from repaying the money he owes them by sabotaging the promotion of the INVINCIBLE album, Jackson's main source of income to refund the loan. So far, the INVINCIBLE album has sold 5 million copies worldwide. Sony Music need to reach the 7 million copies mark before they can make money from sales of the album. As for Michael Jackson, he is recouping the outstanding cost of the recording of the album on his portion of the money generated by the sales of the album. That means he hasn't been getting any money from INVINCIBLE up to now. In order to generate monies for Sony Music and Michael Jackson, the INVINCIBLE album needs to make sales beyond the 7 million mark. It shouldn't be difficult for the King of Pop to reach that mark. Thriller sold 52 million copies, Bad 25, Dangerous 26 and HIStory, a double-CD, 14 million copies. However, INVINCIBLE is not selling anymore. Except in the USA, where Sony Music is not shipping more than they can sell, in other parts of the world, including European markets, Sony Music have been receiving massive returns since January. In Germany, France and the UK, Europe's biggest markets, wholesalers are returning unsold copies of INVINCIBLE by the thousand. Indeed, nobody was expecting the promotion of the album to end so suddenly. But why would Sony sabotage an album they paid for? And Why would they put down their biggest-selling artist? Simply because they could get Michael Jackson's half of ATV Music Publishing by doing so. If Michael Jackson fails to reimburse his loan, the ownership of his share of the ATV Music Publishing catalog will fall into the hands of Sony Music. Sony/ATV Publishing is currently the third largest music publishing company in the world. The money it generates and represents goes beyond Michael Jackson's loan from Sony or possible revenues generated by the INVINCIBLE album. Besides, a music catalog is easier to deal with than an artist with strong opinions on how his career should be managed. Sony Music is thus trying to sabotage the INVINCIBLE album. But it is important to the record company that the maneuver be not obvious. It is essential for Sony Music that the public and media be not aware of the matter. Bad publicity is a menace they are afraid of. The goal of our association MAKE INVINCIBLE VISIBLE is to make people aware of the situation between Michael Jackson and Sony Music. As Michael Jackson fans, we have been watching helplessly the killing of the INVINCIBLE album. Until now. Unlike previous feuds between record companies and artists (Prince vs Warner, George Michael vs Sony Music, etc...), the Michael Jackson vs Sony Music situation is different in the sense that the artist wants his album to sell and is ready to promote it, but the record company isn't. INVINCIBLE is Michael Jackson's last album with Sony Music, despite what the record company says. This is his last album with them. Here is a chronology of facts that documents the feud between Sony Music and Michael Jackson with detailed examples. June 2001 Sony Music pick "You Rock My World" as the first single off of INVINCIBLE. Michael Jackson favored "Unbreakable" and had already started to conceive the video for the song. The last-minute change of single forces him to rush the conception of a new video to accompany "You Rock My World." Sony Music contact director Hype Williams who comes up with a treatment for the video. Michael is not satisfied with it nor with the budget Sony propose for the video. Paul Hunter, a new director, is hired. After numerous disputes on the budget of the video, filming finally starts. August 2001 Michael Jackson is working on his forthcoming Madison Square Garden concerts. Sony Music learned the news of the events in the media. They are displeased with the fact that they are not involved with the project and decide to boycott it. Sony Music offices around the world receive a memo that forbids them to organize any kind of promotional activity in connection with the Madison Square Garden concerts. The shows will eventually be sold out and will become hugely popular TV events in the USA, despite the absence of promotion and implication from Sony Music. Moreover, Sony Music show no interest in acquiring the rights to the concerts to be used worldwide as a tool for the promotion of INVINCIBLE. As a consequence, less than five countries around the world will broadcast the concert. The fee concert producer David Gest is asking for the show is so high that even big markets like Germany, France or the UK can't afford it. September 2001 -"You Rock My World," the first single from INVINCIBLE is a strong radio hit in America. Billboard Magazine analysts and music industry observers predict the song could easily reach the #1 slot in Billboard's HOT 100 provided there was a single commercially available (American charts are based on radio airplay and sales combined together). However, Sony Music repeatedly delay and postpone the commercial release of the "You Rock My World" single. Ultimately, the single will not be commercially released at all in the USA, in spite of a strong demand from record-buying customers. To justify their decision, Sony Music claim the release of a commercial single could harm the sales of the album. But the singles market in the USA is a small one. A single like "You Rock My World" would have sold a few thousand copies, enough to gain crucial points for the Billboard charts, but not enough to harm the sales of the album. Besides, the promotional impact of a #1 single on the public is strong. Sony Music's decision not to release the single was clearly biased. -Jay-Z, who remixed "You Rock My World" at Jackson's request, refuses to let Sony Music use his remix on the commercial singles of "You Rock My World" worldwide because the record company refused him the right to use Jackson's vocals on a remix of his hit song "Girls, Girls, Girls" they recorded together. -After "You Rock My World," "Cry" is the new single released from INVINCIBLE in America. Director Nick Brandt is hired to film the video. However, from the beginning, Michael Jackson is not happy with the low-budget project Sony Music is proposing. He becomes so displeased with Sony Music's stiffness on the video situation that he decides not to appear in the video. The video will eventually be released without his participation. October 2001 INVINCIBLE is released around the world. In the USA, the album is released with a minimum of promotion. When the album becomes a success in America despite the modest promotion, Sony Music takes credit for it by conveniently claiming the low-profile promotion was a plan to have people focus on music. November 2001 -Michael Jackson finalizes the production of "What More Can I Give," a charity song for the families of the victims of September 11, featuring an all-star cast of singers (including Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Ricky Martin, Gloria Estefan, Britney Spears, Carlos Santana). Unfortunately, Sony Music refuse Michael the right to release it. Due to contract obligations, Michael Jackson can't release the record with another company without Sony's approval. Since Sony Music doesn't want to make things easy on an artist they are in constant fight with, they use the "What More Can I Give" project to pressure him. If he wants to release it, he has to let go on more financial interests. After trying each and every legal way to release his charity single, Michael Jackson finds out he is cornered and eventually gives up the project. -"Butterflies" is the third single off of INVINCIBLE to be released to radios in America. The song becomes and instant hit and starts to climb the Billboard charts. Unfortunately, Sony Music is still not willing to release the song commercially to help it reach the #1 spot on the charts. More problems occur when the project for a "Butterflies" video is discussed by Michael Jackson and Sony Music. Once again, Michael Jackson is not satisfied with the treatment Sony Music propose him and does not want to participate in a project he doesn't believe in. Discussions come to a deadlock and the "Butterflies" video project is scrapped. February 2002 Sony Music intensifies its financial pressure on Michael Jackson. The artist is forced to consider doing a World Tour in order to raise money to finance his other projects and the refund of his loan. However, Michael Jackson had made it clear that he didn't want to tour anymore. Now, he's forced to reconsider his decision. March 2002 -Three promotional TV appearances scheduled in Europe in March are canceled as a result of Michael Jackson's feud with Sony Music. -At Sony Music's request, director David Meyers works on a treatment for the "Unbreakable" video. However, Michael Jackson isn't satisfied with the project. But his own concept for the video is deemed too expensive and Sony Music won't finance it. As a result of this new dispute, Michael Jackson decides to produce the "Unbreakable" video by himself and starts to work on the project alone. -By the end of March, Sony Music delete Michael Jackson from their "international priority" list of projects. Only five months after the release of INVINCIBLE, the album is no longer considered as a "priority" by the record company. As a comparison, the HIStory album stopped being an "international priority" by the end of 1997, more than 2 years after its release. Sony Music are trying to suffocate Michael Jackson financially. They are preventing him from properly promoting his album in order to obtain his share of the ATV Music Publishing catalog. This maneuver is unfair. It is plain sabotage. INVINCIBLE is a great album. It sold faster than any other Michael Jackson album and was promised to a great future. Don't let Sony Music bury INVINCIBLE. Spread the truth and support Michael Jackson.

Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 09, 2013, 06:56:48 PM
As a massive Michael fan since 1989 know this man was responsible along with others who tried to take everything from Michael.

I was there during the Sony wars protestïng in the uk and then  went to the MJNI party where Michael told us all he was leaving Sony and he outsmarted them calling out mottola.

Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 09, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
Insiders like LTTW and SOTT Let the fans know on MJJFORUM what they were doing to Michael during the invincible era.

So he did everything he could for Invincible, which came out in October 30 yet promotion ended in mid February? No physical singles for the US singles either...

Suuuure......

Tommy actin all innocent puttin all the blame on MJ is so funny. There were other artists at that time (not just MJ) not happy with Tommy! MJ wouldn't just attack someone like that for no reason, the man isn't stupid he's been in the business far longer then most, since CHILDHOOD! Besides Sony eventually let Tommy go! So how good was he after all? As he makes himself sound lol. And Al Sharpton after supporting MJ quickly soon after goes on SNL making fun of MJ! Then after he dies his like MJ did this and that for blacks and kissin his ass! Then ends up by request by family to make a speech at his memorial full of fake ass friends everywhere! Amazing ain't it! <_<

They sabotaged invincible coz THEY wanted the Beatles cat!!!

Threatened is Michael singing abt mottola ' half of me you'll never be! '

The only reason TM said those things about Michael is the fact he was publicly humiliated and didn't expect an artist of such caliber was that outspoken and frank at that moment, he didn't like it and he's still resented because that mess caused he was fired from Sony.




Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 09, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
And From Jermaine Jackson's book


IT WAS REPORTED SOMEWHERE THAT INVINCIBLE didn’t max out on sales because Michael didn’t want to take it on tour, but that was never true. An album tour was planned, designed, and he was ready and willing to go on the road in spring 2002, nationally and overseas. But then 9/11 happened, and it was canceled at Michael’s request. I know this led to an argument over the phone with Tommy Mottola. Michael blamed him for not promoting his album, and Tommy blamed him for not doing the tour that would have promoted the album. I didn’t understand Sony’s argument because my brother was one of countless artists who canceled tours that year, including our sister Janet; the mood at that time was not to travel within the heightened sense of alert. If American targets were at risk and those terrorists audacious enough to take down the Twin Towers, then a stadium filled with fans for America’s greatest entertainer could be hit, too. Michael took the decision not to put his fans or his tour staff in that position: it was common sense.

Personally, I think that when Michael backed out of that tour in the September, Sony put the brakes on a full-fledged promotion in the October. It kept telling Michael that it had spent $24m on the album and needed an artist who was prepared to promote it. At one point, Michael attempted to win over the situation by playing politics with Tommy, seeking to appease him by inviting his wife, Thalia, to sing on the Spanish version of “What More Can I Give?” I don’t know if that version was ever released in Latin-American territories, but if Michael had hoped it would increase the level of promotion for Invincible, he would have been disappointed. The big sadness was that if 9/11 hadn’t happened, the tour would have gone ahead, keeping him performing into the year 2004.

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He based that on information received in a phone call from someone he trusted. He felt strongly that everything was designed to back him into a financial corner: the less successful his albums, the less royalty income. The less he earned, the more reliant he’d be on his share of the Sony-ATV catalogue which he’d already borrowed against to the tune of $200 million from Bank of America . . . guaranteed by Sony. And the more debt he had, the stronger the chance he’d be forced to sell his interest in the catalogue. At least, that was Michael’s thinking.

I believe MJ version of events way more then the rest! I think there some truth in what everyone else had to say but not in all! They gave up on Invincible way to soon over at Sony w/ TM making sure it happened over some B.S disagreements because he was boss and wanted to show that IMO. And no I wouldn't think Sony would have dared to try to take MJ Catalog off of him after he publicly said they would! SMART MOVE MJ! lol

How can some say it was "Yes men" who had control when it comes to his financial state. But, then "MJ was a grown man" when it comes to the stuff involving TII/AEG/Murray?

Michael never had a reason to envy anybody, but he was the subject of much envy, including by Mottolla. And nobody knows the real reason why TII tour was planned. And MJ was quoted as saying to fans, that he had 'concertizing' ideas in store for them. That word doesn't necessarily mean just touring. And, at first, he was very reluctant to do more than ten shows in one place at the time of that press conference. That doesn't sound like what, alone, it would take to erase the ever changing exhorbitant numbers people keep coming up with to describe this debt. Plus I notice when the word 'estimate' appears in somebody's post.

Michael didn't sound like he was worried about his finances, according to what I posted above. And he was extremely aware of where his money was going, and how much of it was going there. He was an excellent businessman. He stated in that interview with Bashit, that MJ knew that MJ made BILLIONS for Sony. Yes, that's with a B. Where is it in the rulebook, that says, that just because someone is a music artist, that they don't know about finance?

It's not 'just business at the end of the day' when Mottolla says that an album 'just isn't very good' for no reason at all.

And a 'man' like Mottolla who calls himself the 'high road' man, but waits till MJ dies, in order to come up with a tell all book for money that personally continues the slander parade that has been aimed at Michael, all his life, is not only a liar and a deceiver, but a total non businessman. He is greedy for money..





Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 09, 2013, 07:52:59 PM
http://www.mj-777.com/?p=1633

Sony And Conflicts of Interest
I’m going to present an excerpt below from an article called “Why Invincible Became Invisible“, which explains the rift between $ony and Michael Jackson over his Invincible album.  First, though, have a quick look at this video, where Michael himself explains what the issue was:



And, here is the most pertinent excerpt from the “Why Invincible Became Invisible” article I mentioned in the first paragraph:

The reason why INVINCIBLE is no longer being promoted by Sony Music is because the record company is fighting with Michael Jackson over a financial matter. A few years ago, as an advance on payments on the forthcoming sales of INVINCIBLE, Michael Jackson negotiated a loan from Sony Music, a common transaction between artists and record companies. In order to validate the loan, Michael Jackson had to put his ownership in the ATV Music Publishing catalog (including the 251-song Beatles’ catalog) as collateral. The ATV Music catalog was bought by Michael Jackson in 1985. In 1995, it was merged with Sony Music’s Sony Music Publishing catalog to become ATV/Sony Music Publishing. When merging his ATV catalog with Sony’s, Michael Jackson pocketed a sum estimated to be 95 million dollars. Today, Sony Music is pressuring Michael Jackson to refund the loan he took from them. And they have the means to do so. The problem is that Sony Music are simultaneously preventing Michael Jackson from repaying the money he owes them by sabotaging the promotion of the INVINCIBLE album, Jackson’s main source of income to refund the loan.

Now, $ony not only jerked Michael around on the promotion of Invincible in an arrangement what was CLEARLY an unethical conflict of interest on their part, but they may intend – now that he is gone, to finagle ownership of Michael’s own catalog/publishing company: MiJac

Another link also alludes to $ony’s rabid desire to get their hands on Michael’s share of the Sony/ATV catalog:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2506caea-cb95-11da-a7bf-0000779e2340.html

The relevant excerpt is:

In addition to clearing up Mr Jackson’s finances, the deal would satisfy Sony’s long-held desire to take control of the catalogue, and bolster a music publishing business that trails those of its rivals, such as EMI, Universal and Warner Chappell.

Also, HERE is a link to a PDF file from John Branca’s own website about the deal Michael was forced to sign in 2006 to “restructure” some loans. The document gives details about $ony having the open option to buy half of his 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalog back from Michael “in the next few years” to pay off debts, and with Branca and $ony primarily benefiting from the deal, as well.

The document begins with this:

The deal is a coup for Sony, which has long hoped to acquire a larger interest in the thousands of copyrights owned by Sony/ATV

And sadly, it ends with this:

There’s no question it’s the most valuable thing Michael has left. The songs hold enormous emotional value.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on February 09, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
I have not much to say about TM's words in the interview, except that he obviously thought it was necessary to defend himself :suspect: after all these years, i wonder why. Anyway, no respect and not exactly fair to tell 'his side of the story' when the 'subject' of this story is 'dead'.
Truth will prevail.



I'm posting a link about comments of Dick Gregory concerning sinister forces at work trying to undermine Michael once he took on these record labels:
 
http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/how-michael-got-gansta-with-sony-music-over-black-music/


LOVE


Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Faithad777 on February 09, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Wow, ashprak247, I hadn't read the article you posted dated April 16, 2002.  It makes it very clear what lengths Mottola and Sony went to just to get their hands on Michael's catalog.
I found these sentences from that article very significant: 
Sony Music is thus trying to sabotage the INVINCIBLE album. But it is important to the record company that the maneuver be not obvious. It is essential for Sony Music that the public and media be not aware of the matter. Bad publicity is a menace they are afraid of.

When they didn't succeed this time, they went all out in 2003 with the child moles. allegations, they were so sure that they would win then, but God had other plans and the truth prevailed as far as Michael being found not guilty.  But no one was held accountable, no one paid for what they put Michael through.....

Then came the This is it concerts.  The exhinit B of the supposed contract that was allegedly signed by Michael was designed to steal everything that Michael had and leave him high and dry.  This was yet another attempt to get their hands on Michael's catalog no matter what...... What really happened from the day Michael came back to LA until 6/25/2009???

It does seem like details are coming out slowly but surely, details that some very nasty people would rather keep hidden, I believe the truth will prevail once again.......


Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 09, 2013, 10:48:48 PM
I know for a fact that Invincible was not promoted well in my city.  I tried to purchase all the covers, and they only carried 3 of them.  I had to order the others from sites on the web.  When the supply they had on hand was exhausted, they were very slowly replenished.  Very little promotion here.  I was furious.  And thank you ashprak247 for some very good information in your posts.  Sony, Matolla, and a lot of other crooks are going to get theirs in due time.  I have to believe that. There is more than meets the eye that we probably will never know.  But I believe in Michael and what he said. He never lied to his fans.  So if he said that Matolla was the devil, for me it was a done deal.  So bring it on…  :abouttime:
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: RK on February 09, 2013, 11:10:20 PM
Walter Yetnikoff talks about the rise of Motolla in his book 'Howling at the Moon.' I'm sure it wasn't very favorably. So we have Michael, Mariah and Walter...three industry heavy weights saying what he was like. Good enough for me. I will go thru this book and see if I can come up with some not so well known facts about this devil when I get home from work tonight.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Faithad777 on February 09, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
I'm sorry, I just noticed that it was ShyBleuEyes who posted the article I was referring to in my last post.  My laptop turned off twice while I was posting, I don't have any sound, so I can't hear what the devil Mottola is saying in that video until Monday morning when I'm at work. I apologize for the mistake...... then again it was my laptop's fault..... :computer-losy-smiley:
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: MJonmind on February 10, 2013, 03:13:47 AM
Thanks Applehead250609, ShyBleuEyes and Ashprak247!  I think things are a little clearer in  my mind.  Now I know for sure Mottola IS the ‘devil’.

Faithad777, great post, and I agree that Exhibit B would have been the ‘death’ grip on MJ wealth, grand theft of major proportions. (Yet Front knew, and said it would rock that trial—now we realize it’s the AEG trial not Murray’s.  Thanks for helping to make things even clearer.

It also seems to help in the understanding of SOTT's words which fit right in here--such a wonderful read about Sony, Mattola and Invincible:
http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/sott-lttw-archive-2002/
"Save my riddles, save my lies(Bam)."
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 10, 2013, 04:32:42 AM
No worries about the info. It got me so angry when I saw that video of the devil mottola on radio talking abt mike.

They wanted to get the cat if mike and bankrupt him so he would would be penniless.

In their eyes how could a BLACK man own the Beatles cat that's what they saw.

I was here at the below killer thriller party in london. I had just finished my degree exams and got the train to London to protest for Michael outside the sony uk hq. then later Michael turned up on a open top bus.

They a fan party was organized months ago and Michael turned up. OMG!!! Couldn't believe my eyes.

He told us all what Sony and mortola were doing. Mike said ' they thought my mind was on the music, it was but They never thought this performer myself would out think them '.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfG-V7tE_bI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 10, 2013, 04:43:06 AM
It was said in that just before the release of Invincible, Jackson informed the head of Sony Music Entertainment, Tommy Mottola he was leaving the record label. As a result, all singles released, video shootings and promotions concerning the Invincible album were cancelled. Jackson made allegations in July 2002 that Mottola was a "devil" and a "racist" who did not support his African-American artists, using them merely for his own personal gain. He charged that Mottola had called his colleague Irv Gotti a "fat black (the n-word)". Sony disputed claims that they had failed to promote Invincible with sufficient energy, maintaining that Jackson refused to tour in the United States. Michael accused Sony and the record industry of racism, deliberately not promoting or actively working against promotion of his album. So on July 6th to the 9th of 2002, Michael was in New York, letting to world know how he felt about Tommy Mottola and Sony at a National Action Network meeting in Harlem.

Now, if Michael would leave Sony, was ATV Music Publishing going with him? What is ATV? As some of you know it is the "rights" to all the Beatles songs and more. After Jackson's acquisition of ATV, his record label at the time, CBS, were negotiating the sale of their record division in an unrelated deal. Soon, after hurried arranged meetings and disagreements over the selling price, Michael had made the deal.

Sony wanted advance into music, films and games. Looking for opportunities, the company aimed to expand its music publishing interests. They offered Michael $90 million for 50% of ATV in 1995. Michael said yes. Michael's Jackson's own songs were not included in the deal. They merged and now became Sony/ATV Music Publishing and the third largest music publisher in the world.

So in 2002, Michael left Sony for good! At that time Forbes magazine estimated Jackson's 50% stake in the company, along with other music publishing ventures, to be worth $450 million. In 2003 in was up to $700 million. By 2004, based on the sales of rival catalogues, experts valued the catalogue at between $600 million to $1 billion. Charles Koppelman, a veteran music industry executive, stated that $1 billion was more reflective of Sony/ATV Music Publishing's worth. Ryan Schinman, chief of Platinum Rye, estimated it to be $1.5 billion. In 2005, Thomas Mesereau, Michael's defense attorney in the 2005 child molestation trialrevealed that the song catalogue had been valued at between $4 billion and $5 billion. Jackson's other publishing firm, Mijac, which publishes songs written by Michael Jackson and which is administered by competitor Warner/Chappell Music, is valued to be worth at least $75 million.

In one of Michael's speeches in June of 2002, he stated,

"...And being the artist that I am, at Sony I've generated several billion dollars for Sony, several billon. They really thought that my mind is always on music and dancing. It usually is, but they never thought that this performer - myself - would out think them.

So, we can't let them get away with what they're trying to do, because now I'm a free agent. I just owe Sony one more album. It's just a box set, really, with two new songs, which I've written ages ago. Because for every album that I record, I write - literally, I'm telling you the truth - I write at least 120 songs every album I do. So I can do the box set, just giving them any two songs.

So I'm leaving Sony, a free agent, owning half of Sony. I own half of Sony's Publishing. I'm leaving them, and they're very angry at me, because I just did good business, you know. So the way they get revenge is to try and destroy my album. But I've always said, you know, art, good art, never dies. "

 
Let's look at page two of the will.

"I appoint JOHN BRANCA, JOHN McCLAIN and BARRY SIEGEL as co-Executors of this Will...."

John G. Branca is an entertainment lawyer. Michael abruptly left Branca in 1990 when record company mogul David Geffen convinced him that Branca exerted too much control. Michael re-hired Branca three years later, and Michael appointed Branca as one of his representatives on the Board of Sony/ATV. In 2006, Branca resigned as Michael 's lawyer and sold back his equity interest in Sony/ATV. Approximately three weeks before he died, Michael rehired Branca?

So was there a conspiracy?

Tom Mesereau said:

"What Michael said about a conspiracy makes logical sense, but I have no evidence of it. If Michael were in jail or in prison, how would he defend his ownership in the catalogue? How would he defend all these frivolous lawsuits? Sony had so much to gain if there was a conviction..."

So what is the bottom line?

In March, Sony Music, a unit of Sony Corp announced a $250 million deal with Jackson's estate, which will result in up to 10 albums using the singer's previously unreleased music. The deal was unprecedented in the music industry as it is the most expensive music contract to a single artist in history.

He was worth more dead than alive!

Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on February 10, 2013, 07:13:15 AM
@ apple, so nice to see you back x
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on February 10, 2013, 08:08:31 AM
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mjjstreet.com (@MJJStreet)

Posted Tuesday 18th September 2012 from Twitlonger
 

Some Facts About The Original Sony Demos 2002
 
Tommy Motolla was head of SONY MUSIC USA during Invincible era. Michael had issues with Motolla and his team about different aspects of Invincible project.
 
Michael and Motolla disagreed about which songs to release from Invincible, the content & production of the short films & much more.
 
Motolla as head of SONY Music USA, overruled Michael on many decisions. Michael was not happy he did not have the final say on how his work was released. Motolla / SONY Music USA basically said you do things our way or we stop promotion. Michael refused, and SONY stopped promotion of Invincible.
 
SONY did not deliver stocks of Invincible CD's to music shops around the world or give radio radio stations promo copies. This meant that sales dropped dramatically as no one could buy the CD's. Fans ringing radio stations to request the songs were told they didn't have the songs to play.
 
THAT'S why Michael spoke out against SONY/ MOTOLLA. It was because they sabotaged his album Invincible. THAT'S what the SONY DEMOS and Boycotts were all about.
 
Michael turned to the only people he could, the fan community, to help him fight his boss MOTOLLA and to stop the sabotage of his work by Motolla, head of SONY Music.

It was the fans who took over promotion of INVINCIBLE, with the campaign PUSH INVINCIBLE BACK TO NUMBER1, buying multiple copies, hounding radio stations & music shops to contact SONY & get stocks delivered.
 
The SONY demos were NEVER about boycotting Michael's music but about the PROMOTION of Invincible.
 
Due to the worldwide fan demos, and an artist of Michael's huge profile highlighting the dirty tricks of SONY MUSIC USA, Motolla and his team were fired.
 
Michael's issues with SONY ended when Motolla was fired and a new team took over.
 
Even though he may not have signed a new long term contract again, Michael did work with SONY on a project by project basis, releasing The Ultimate Collection, Number Ones, Visionary, King of Pop, Thriller 25 between 2002 & 2009
 
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jb679j

and more: http://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/promote-michael-jacksons-music/



 :bearhug: @ applehead
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Andrea on February 10, 2013, 08:57:26 AM

The fact that Michael departed from his usual public persona to speak out against Motolla and Sony speaks volumes.  He knew exactly what they were doing to him.  I agree with ashprak that Michael was the subject of much envy from those who surrounded him.  They wanted to take as much credit and money as they could.  They blackmailed Michael but Michael wasn't having it so he spoke out.  I bought the Invincible album when it came out and it's probably my favourite album, the best part is from 0:00 - 77:07.  I had it playing in my car for months and I remember giving my neighbour a ride to work one day and she asked what this MJ music was so I told her it was his new album. She said, "Oh I didn't know he had a new one out."  I remember thinking that was strange, this was before Michael spoke out.  There has been a nefarious plot against Michael for years.  When TII came about, he knew all he would have to was give AEG enough rope and they would hang themselves with their greed.  These large companies care not for the artists, only how much they can squeeze until the milk runs dry.
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Post by: MJonmind on February 11, 2013, 12:16:37 AM
Ashprak247, do you think this DJ, at Sway in the Morning on Shade 45, obviously African-american based, was aware of the situation of MJ’s catalogue being at risk because of Matolla's sabotage of Invincible?  He seems to just be going along with the flow of helping TM promote his book, like he believes the garbage he was saying about MJ.  Surely all blacks must be aware that MJ was fighting for all black musicians being taken advantage of finianically by the record companies, especially Sony.  Do you think he’s just biting his tongue? What would be really cool if all the black artists were setting a trap for TM to publicly expose him after he releases his book.  But...

You mentioned SOTT, do you think he was Michael?

I remember reading about some person observing Tom Sneddon and his team, and saying he was extremely racist, using the N-word many times.
Seems to me that using dirty tactics to gain money and racism go hand in hand.  It shows their type of heart.
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Post by: Girl_In_the_Mirror on February 11, 2013, 02:03:21 AM
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Ashprak247, do you think this DJ, at Sway in the Morning on Shade 45, obviously African-american based, was aware of the situation of MJ’s catalogue being at risk because of Matolla's sabotage of Invincible?  He seems to just be going along with the flow of helping TM promote his book, like he believes the garbage he was saying about MJ. Surely all blacks must be aware that MJ was fighting for all black musicians being taken advantage of finianically by the record companies, especially Sony.  Do you think he’s just biting his tongue? What would be really cool if all the black artists were setting a trap for TM to publicly expose him after he releases his book.  But...

You mentioned SOTT, do you think he was Michael?

I remember reading about some person observing Tom Sneddon and his team, and saying he was extremely racist, using the N-word many times.
Seems to me that using dirty tactics to gain money and racism go hand in hand. It shows their type of heart.
  :th_bravo: good judgment of facts!  :-*
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Faithad777 on February 11, 2013, 03:04:01 PM
I'm a little behind on commenting on the video of Tommy Mottola, but I couldn't listen to it before since my laptop did not have any sound.  I just finished listening and just wanted to add that like Michael said, he IS devilish, just look at his eyes, he has devil eyes, and where would he have been without artists like Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey and others, what would his job have been without them?  I think that he may be broke now, in need of money, and thought to himself, everybody is writing books about Michael and making money, I worked with him, why don't I write a book, twist the truth (just like he did in this interview) and after all Michael is not here to say anything about it......

These are some of my thoughts about him, I have more to say, but I'm going to stop here for now.......
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 11, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
Tbh I have n idea but this ass lickin of TM is crazy all the black people knew Michael was fighting for them during the invincible era.

They tried to kill Michael with the BS and false allegations, if that didn't kill him they tried to get back the Beatles cat anyway they could.

It would be great of all black artists were trying to get their back on TM after what he did to Michael but I don't know.

I know one thng though when Michael returns TM is gonna be in for the shock of his life.

Michael said Mariah Carey told Michael EVERYTHNG about TM and his games.

As for SOTT well not sure if he was Michael but boy he predicted and knew a lot obout the situation Michael was going through.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 11, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
If Michael planned this hoax just after invincible in 2002 and when Sony & TM tried to take mike down then what SOTT said makes sense.

In one of his posts he said something along the lines of  ' a new album will rise invincible in disguise ' al,ost as if Michael KNEW Sony planned to sabotage Vince so Michael held back the best songs so he could launch under a new label and do everything he planned.

Michael like he said at the killer thriller party to us ' he outsmarted them the suits '.

I think the song on Vince called threatend is part of this hoax look.

Threatened lyrics – 2001

You’re fearing me, ‘cause you know I’m a beast

Watching you when you sleep, when you’re in bed

I’m underneath

You’re trapped in halls, and my face is the walls

I’m the floor when you fall, and when you scream it’s ‘cause of me

I’m the living dead, the dark thoughts in your head

I know just what you said

That’s why you’ve got to be threatened by me

You should be watching me, you should feel threatened

Why you sleep, why you creep, you should be threatened

***

You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt

I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you

In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you

***

From a far corner, out of the dark

A nightmare, that’s the case

Never Neverland, that’s the place

This particular monster can read minds

Be in two places at the same time

This is judgement night, execution, slaughter

The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture

You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate

A human presence that you feel is strange

A monster that you can see disappear

What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.

It isn’t. It’s the beginning.

This is one of the most bizarre songs that he has written.  Apparently he turns into a beast that people should be scared of.  But he is not a ghost, he is the living dead.  He can see you, knows what you say, and you can feel him.  But, he disappears and and comes back to haunt.  He can be in TWO places at the same time.  Meaning one in disguise and one dead?  The closing is the epitome of the song, as it states that the nightmare is just beginning.  Beginning of a new start?


Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: applehead250609 on February 12, 2013, 03:47:51 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKMtbrijqiU[/youtube]

Everything it's/was so damm PLANNED (like a Script maybe  :icon_e_confused:), too PLANNED to be truth I have to say  :suspect: .All Michael's LIFE will always be an ENIGMA for me.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Faithad777 on February 12, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
This video doesn't even deserve any recognition by listening to it, but I forced myself to listen just to hear what "the devil" would say about Michael this time.  All I have to say is what respectable human being would agree to have an interview with Howard Stern???

It seems that Tommy is financially more desperate than we originally thought......  Just despicable human beings, and this is already more attention than I wanted to give to this video......

I'm sorry applehead, no disrespect to you whatsoever.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on February 13, 2013, 12:39:15 AM
Have you noticed TM is scraping his troath sometimes with some questions, i noticed it in the previous interview also. It's like he doesn't feel much comfort with these questions.
I also saw that he scratched his nose in the 1 first interview at this page, and it was a question about MJ again a question from wich we know for sure TM has to lie.

Just an observation...
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Faithad777 on February 13, 2013, 12:49:59 AM
Yap, ShyBleuEyes, I did notice at about 2  min. on the first video is when he scratches his nose, sure sign of lying.  Also in the first video that applehead posted he shifts in his chair and moves several times, a sign that he's feeling uncomfortable.  I don't know what it means when he rubs his hands together, he does that a lot, do you know what that means?
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Post by: ShyBleuEyes on February 13, 2013, 01:47:34 AM
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Yap, ShyBleuEyes, I did notice at about 2  min. on the first video is when he scratches his nose, sure sign of lying.  Also in the first video that applehead posted he shifts in his chair and moves several times, a sign that he's feeling uncomfortable.  I don't know what it means when he rubs his hands together, he does that a lot, do you know what that means?

Yeah at 2.min he does.
 i do think he doesnt feel very comfortable , it;s a nervous act, i ad a link about rubbing hands, i did a quick search because i have to go to my job.

http://www.netplaces.com/body-language/cant-stop-moving/nervous-hands.htm
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Post by: Girl_In_the_Mirror on February 13, 2013, 03:14:50 AM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKMtbrijqiU[/youtube]

Everything it's/was so damm PLANNED (like a Script maybe  :icon_e_confused:), too PLANNED to be truth I have to say  :suspect: .All Michael's LIFE will always be an ENIGMA for me.
I don't know why, but the link does not work ...I also opened it on youtube, but... it wouldn't load :(
Applehead250609, you're Romanian, and so am I!!!  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: paula-c on February 13, 2013, 10:12:56 AM
I do not know if it will be true but there are rumors of divorce between the and Thalia
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: suspicious mind on February 13, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
his whole attitude of understanding makes him all the more  :suspect:
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: paula-c on February 14, 2013, 07:39:01 PM
Dick Gregory's Comments On Michael Jackson
By Bakari Akil II

Dick Gregory, activist, health guru, ex-comedian as well as advisor to many influential people is a man who has been a mainstay in American culture for
decades. As a friend to Michael Jackson for many years he offered insight to the current situation involving Mr. Jackson and provided a perspective
that has not been evident in many media outlets.

On a radio show entitled Make it Plain, hosted by WOL's Mark Thompson in Washington, D.C., Dick Gregory stated in response to the mad media frenzy
and tilt toward guilt coverage, that those who believe in Michael Jackson's guilt or innocence should first ask for truth to be exposed. Whether it is damaging for Michael Jackson or not, he insisted that truth is the most important aspect of this issue.

However, Mr. Gregory does not believe that Mr. Jackson is guilty of the charges and raised many questions concerning the events leading up to the
actions of law enforcement and consequent media coverage. He asked why was it necessary for 40 police officers and 20 FBI agents to raid Michael Jackson's property. More specifically,why were FBI agents present, especially since the allegations against Mr. Jackson are not a federal offense?

He also questioned the legitimacy of the claim of law enforcement that they did not know of Mr. Jackson's whereabouts and the timing of the raid.
According to Mr. Gregory, there is a monetary element to this entire situation. He states that Michael Jackson purchased the Beatles catalog for
nearly $48 million and it is now worth $1.5 billion. He also owns the rights to the Elvis catalog and found out after his purchase of the Beatles
collection that these rights also included ownership of Little Richard's catalog of which, Michael Jackson promptly called Mr. Richard and returned it to him.

His suspicions arise from the fact that Michael Jackson has taken out loans and his lenders wanted collateral, which was none other than his Beatles catalog. Mr. Gregory stated that Michael Jackson did not mind offering that up as collateral because every time he would come out with a record he would make around $500 million from his efforts. For those who doubt those claims, he explained that there is a mischaracterization that occurs when people think about what is success for Michael Jackson. Although he may not achieve the outrageous sales of his more youthful days a majority of successful artists sales would pale by comparison.

Mr. Gregory found it odd that every time Michael Jackson is about to come out with an album or moneymaking venture he is hit with a scandal and that this situation is no different. He also admonished the audience not to forget that Michael Jackson embarrassed SONY and music mogul Tommy Mottola when he claimed that they were racist and that they took advantage of and mistreated Black artists.

Not holding anything back, Mr. Gregory stated that Rev. Al Sharpton, who came to the defense of Michael Jackson during this time was soon

overwhelmed by media coverage of a video tape which showed individuals attempting to frame him in a drug deal.

He went even further stating that this type of behavior could be traced to Bill Cosby and the suspicious murder of his son Ennis, who was gunned down while changing the tire of his Mercedes on a California highway. He claims
that this happened after Mr. Cosby hinted that he wanted to purchase NBC when it was up for sale.

Dick Gregory also alleged that when they showed Michael Jackson in handcuffs, it was symbolic and when they handcuffed him, they handcuffed us
all (Black communities). He stated that they allowed Mr. Jackson to board his private plane in Las Vegas, fly back to California and then handcuffed him and immediately took them off when inside the police station. According to Mr. Gregory, law enforcement had not judged him an extreme flight risk if they let him fly in and obviously not a danger if they immediately uncuffed him once inside, so why the posturing?

Mr. Gregory further intensified his discourse by reiterating that the value of Michael Jackson's catalog cannot be underestimated and asserted that Mr. Jackson could easily be killed, have it consequently ruled a suicide and thus his collection will be forfeited in lieu of his debt.

He further commented that people such as Liz Taylor, whom he knows Michael would rush to their aid in times of need, have not come to his defense or spoke out on his behalf. He also talked about how many people take "Michael" for a joke, yet he is very intelligent and that he knows what is going on.

Yet for all his concerns, Dick Gregory stated that Michael Jackson will "come out clean" in this dilemma and he called for people to say a daily
prayer for the "truth to come out" about this situation concerning Mr.Jackson at 12:00 P.M., no matter what the time zone. He believes,
ultimately, people will be shocked at what that truth is.

In the final analysis, many may balk at the comments and observations of Mr. Gregory, believing that governmental officials, media organizations and corporations in the music business may be beyond collusion or conspiracies
(when two or more make a conscious effort to bring about a certain reality), which is fine. Yet, free and independent thought that Mr. Gregory exhibits is absolutely necessary, especially in an era
where fact and fiction has taken an equal seat in mainstream media and thought.
 
http://politicalpalace.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/4626#.TeRMBncrySo
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Post by: Faithad777 on February 14, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Oh dear God, thank you very much Paula for this excellent article. The truth will prevail and everything will come out in the open.  I believe everything Dick Gregory said to be true.  I had read parts of this before, but not the complete article as you posted. The parts that you've highlighted are very important indeed.  They wanted to break him, so that he would give in and they would control him and everything he owned, specially the catalog....

This sentence is soooooo significant: this type of behavior could be traced to Bill Cosby and the suspicious murder of his son Ennis, who was gunned down while changing the tire of his Mercedes on a California highway. He claims
that this happened after Mr. Cosby hinted that he wanted to purchase NBC when it was up for sale.

 I also believe this to be very true:  He also talked about how many people take "Michael" for a joke, yet he is very intelligent and that he knows what is going on.

My deepest wish is that Michael knew that the same thing was happening in 2009,  that he got away from these vultures, and is working so hard to hold them accountable, which will take a very long time and is proving to be extremely difficult.....

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Post by: Andrea on February 14, 2013, 09:13:11 PM


Excellent article, thanks for posting paula.  That Mr Gregory is a smart man and those are the points and questions that most have ignored but shouldn't.  It's sickening to think how badly Michael has been wronged, and other black artists.  Racism and greed are a deadly combination.  I do strongly believe this is one of the WHYs of the hoax.  Strange that all of this seems to have become clearer now that 2012 is out of the way.
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Post by: MJonmind on February 14, 2013, 09:32:17 PM
Gregory said it so well back in 04.   Just shortly after MJ's 'death', Gregory talked of how he talked to MJ about fasting 40 days for closeness to God (most would also say for spiritual power), and that MJ did it at least once just after the 05 trial, and I'm thinking possibly right before his 09 'death' causing his extreme thinness.

This was how TS worded Sony's part.
Quote
5. Outthinking the Illuminati

I have never said that the whole company of Sony is in on the hoax.  What I have said is that Michael planned this hoax for many years, and got a few key people in a few key positions.  Some of what comes through Sony is part of MJ’s plan, but a lot of it is not.

And the statement by MJ, about outthinking Sony, is not being understood with the word “outthink” in mind.  Yes, MJ did have some problems with Sony—especially TM, who is long gone.  But was it really Sony that MJ was primarily talking about?  Would stating in public and on video exactly who you are planning on outthinking, would that really qualify as outsmarting them—or would it be outstupiding them??

Do you really think that MJ was talking exclusively (or even primarily) about Sony, when he said that they have manipulated the “history books”?  Or perhaps was MJ actually referring to outthinking the Illuminati, and using Sony as a bit of a diversion (although the Illuminati does have its fingers in every big pie, including Sony)?

The idea of the hoax being a cover up for murder has been discussed a lot, and recently it has been discussed in the context of TS possibly being part of this Sony and TMZ affiliated cover up.  I have gone into the murder theory several times before, and won’t repeat all those things now.  Of course the numerology is very strong against murder; but aside from that, I will make a couple of points here.

The family has already said they know who killed MJ, and “it’s all going to come out”.  So if Sony, TMZ, and/or TS were involved in this murder plot—and the family has already figured it out—then continuing to promote the hoax concept would only make them look more and more guilty of trying to hide the murder.  As soon as Sony, TMZ, and/or TS realized that the family was on to their tracks, they would distance themselves from the hoax theory as far and as fast as possible.  Then why has that not happened???

Also, here is a very good point from jacilovesmichael: “If he was murdered, then those who murdered him [supposedly including TS] surely wouldn’t want to continue spreading the message [which is exactly what TS does] that he was murdered for.” {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15976&start=25#p271397}.

By the way: I have already said that I do not work for TMZ.  I will now say that I do not work for Sony.  Do you believe it?  If so, then you have your answer; and if you don’t believe this answer, then there’s really no point in asking the question.

Here's an article linking Mattola, Malnik and Jewish mobsters.
http://mybigfatanti-zionistlife.blogspot.ca/2009/08/how-jewish-mobsters-got-their-hooks_04.html
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: paula-c on February 15, 2013, 09:17:29 AM

I cannot understand how Michael to related both with these dudes :confused:...Someone explain to me


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_j6dN9Xk_xSQ/SnHQSEX4O1I/AAAAAAAAAIE/mGy4PJsmnAk/s400/almalnik.jpg)
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: RK on February 15, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
These are a few references that Walter Yetnicoff says about tommy Motolla in his book....

He gave Motolla his leg up into the big time of the business and promoted him to his second in command. tommy had street smarts, he was a man's man who knew about guns, boats and women. Motolla was still married to his first wife, while conducting an affair with a Japanese star from Sony at the time he was infatuated with and romancing  Mariah Carey.[ wow...sounds like a real catch doesn't he ladies!]

  Walter also says his own insecurities set him up as an easy target for ass kissers like Motolla.

After Walter was sacked from Sony and Motolla was installed in his place, Walter claims he was watched, followed, tailed everywhere he went by Sony. He had lunch with an employee and old friend from Sony and was promptly approached the next day and cautioned by a Sony lawyer not to associate with their people. He says that they were fearful of him because he knew too much.

I think Yetnicoff's own words on page 292 of his book speak volumes about Motolla.......

"Tommy Motolla has been fire by Sony.....a scandal is brewing ....rumours are flying.......
When I got fired the company was making four hundred and fifty million a year in pre-tax bottom line profits. When Motolla got canned, it looked like they were losing two hundred and fifty million a year. Something may be rotten in the state of Denmark. And it could be worse, because if they're not cooking the books, they are certainly warming them up. For example, it was reported they were putting DVD manufacturing revenues into the music operation. But DVD's include a helluva lot more than music."


And finally...maybe a trivial fact  for some, but speaks volumes about Motollas character in my estimations.....Walter's dog who was a very gentle and friendly,  hated tommy and would turn into a growling fur ball every time he came into contact with him. This reminded me of Alister Crowley, the beast, who it is reported that dogs would go crazy as he approached because they sensed the evil he embodied. I guess Michael wasn't exagerating when he called tommy the devil.   
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Post by: MJonmind on February 15, 2013, 02:47:48 PM
 :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 15, 2013, 06:39:18 PM
You should hear this whole conversation by Dick Gregory. It is an eye opener.  It’s on dvd and I believe some if it if not all might be on Youtube.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: ashprak247 on February 15, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
They were after Michael since he got the Beatles cat.

They bried to kill him twice with both allegations. They failed and then Michael outsmarted them.

Dick Gregory: You Don't Know The REAL MJ Pt 1/2..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1-28pyROvw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Dick Gregory: You Don't Know The REAL M.J. Pt 2/2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCjGVRK2O0U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Faithad777 on February 15, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
Paula, look at how uncomfortable Michael looks in the picture you posted, and how he is distancing himself from the two.  Who is the dude with the glasses? I know the one sitting is Malnik, but I don't know who the one behind them is.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: paula-c on February 15, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
If you want to read what it says TM of Michael in his book look at the link, the author does not want anyone (not copy / steal my summary. ), ....as she wrote in the forum.





http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128344-Tommy-Mottola-talks-about-Michael-Jackson-in-his-book-Hitmaker-Comprehensive-summary?p=3770570#post3770570
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 15, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
It wasn’t Michael’s fault that 9-11 happened. For him to assume that after those attacks that No ONE was thinking about Michael Jackson I think is rather presumptuous.  Many were concerned even more being that it was well known that he was doing concerts in that city when the attacks happened.   :icon_rolleyes:

I can say this with 100% certainty, there was no promotion or very little in my city even before 9-11 so all that money supposedly spent in doing so didn’t reach Atlanta. 

I was on the limb about buying this book, but I need to read it in its entirety after that summary.  I am familiar with the person who wrote it and we tend to differ on a lot of issues. 

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Thalia was smitten with Michael which could have some bearing on how Matolla dealt with Michael at this point in their business relationship.  I do recall Sharpton saying something to the affect that he didn’t know that Michael was going to personalize his speech about the industry calling out Matolla.  But he said it rather matter-of-factly as if he was surprised by it but not particularly in disagreement.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: MJonmind on February 16, 2013, 02:07:10 AM
Quote
http://blogcritics.org/music/article/tommy-mottola-canned-by-sony/
by Eric Olsen, on Jan 10, 2003
The surprise is not that he is gone, but how long he lasted - the judgment of anyone who would marry Mariah Carey is deeply flawed. I wouldn't marry Mariah Carey with someone else's body:
The 14-year reign of Tommy Mottola at Sony Music is over.
According to sources at Sony Music, where the phones have not stopped ringing, Mottola only found out he was leaving when he arrived this morning at 550 Madison. "He was told to go see Sir Howard Stringer, and when he got there they handed him a press release," my source said. Mottola was then given a couple of hours to clear out his office. A deal for a record label was, according to sources, Sony's resolution of the last year of his contract.
....The Japanese owners of Sony had a lot on their minds when it came to Mottola's future. The talented but volatile music executive personally forced out two of Sony's major stars, Mariah Carey (his ex-wife) and Michael Jackson. In the case of the former, the embarrassing story of Mottola allegedly stealing music from Carey's Glitter album and passing it to Jennifer Lopez didn't help much. Carey was able to use that information as leverage to leave her Sony contract one album early.
In the case of Jackson, the complicated goings-on regarding his finances and the Beatles catalog culminated last summer in Jackson riding around Manhattan with a megaphone calling Mottola a racist. If there's one thing companies like Sony don't like, it's public humiliation. And Stringer, who runs Sony Entertainment, and is a class act, was never amused by Mottola's antics.
There was also the very public fight over royalties with the Dixie Chicks, and the company's inability to make Celine Dion's recent album more than a middling hit.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Andrea on February 16, 2013, 11:22:41 AM
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http://blogcritics.org/music/article/tommy-mottola-canned-by-sony/
by Eric Olsen, on Jan 10, 2003
The surprise is not that he is gone, but how long he lasted - the judgment of anyone who would marry Mariah Carey is deeply flawed. I wouldn't marry Mariah Carey with someone else's body:
The 14-year reign of Tommy Mottola at Sony Music is over.
According to sources at Sony Music, where the phones have not stopped ringing, Mottola only found out he was leaving when he arrived this morning at 550 Madison. "He was told to go see Sir Howard Stringer, and when he got there they handed him a press release," my source said. Mottola was then given a couple of hours to clear out his office. A deal for a record label was, according to sources, Sony's resolution of the last year of his contract.
....The Japanese owners of Sony had a lot on their minds when it came to Mottola's future. The talented but volatile music executive personally forced out two of Sony's major stars, Mariah Carey (his ex-wife) and Michael Jackson. In the case of the former, the embarrassing story of Mottola allegedly stealing music from Carey's Glitter album and passing it to Jennifer Lopez didn't help much. Carey was able to use that information as leverage to leave her Sony contract one album early.
In the case of Jackson, the complicated goings-on regarding his finances and the Beatles catalog culminated last summer in Jackson riding around Manhattan with a megaphone calling Mottola a racist. If there's one thing companies like Sony don't like, it's public humiliation. And Stringer, who runs Sony Entertainment, and is a class act, was never amused by Mottola's antics.
There was also the very public fight over royalties with the Dixie Chicks, and the company's inability to make Celine Dion's recent album more than a middling hit.


I believe this is part of the ongoing battle.  Michael publicly humiliated Sony by telling the truth and then shortly afterwards, Michael is (again) publicly humiliated with lies.  Their goal was to discredit whatever Michael said, or would say, and ruin him financially with an intent to steal his assets, namely the music catalog but this is not just limited to certain people within Sony. 
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on February 16, 2013, 02:52:09 PM
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http://blogcritics.org/music/article/tommy-mottola-canned-by-sony/
by Eric Olsen, on Jan 10, 2003
The surprise is not that he is gone, but how long he lasted - the judgment of anyone who would marry Mariah Carey is deeply flawed. I wouldn't marry Mariah Carey with someone else's body:
The 14-year reign of Tommy Mottola at Sony Music is over.
According to sources at Sony Music, where the phones have not stopped ringing, Mottola only found out he was leaving when he arrived this morning at 550 Madison. "He was told to go see Sir Howard Stringer, and when he got there they handed him a press release," my source said. Mottola was then given a couple of hours to clear out his office. A deal for a record label was, according to sources, Sony's resolution of the last year of his contract.
....The Japanese owners of Sony had a lot on their minds when it came to Mottola's future. The talented but volatile music executive personally forced out two of Sony's major stars, Mariah Carey (his ex-wife) and Michael Jackson. In the case of the former, the embarrassing story of Mottola allegedly stealing music from Carey's Glitter album and passing it to Jennifer Lopez didn't help much. Carey was able to use that information as leverage to leave her Sony contract one album early.
In the case of Jackson, the complicated goings-on regarding his finances and the Beatles catalog culminated last summer in Jackson riding around Manhattan with a megaphone calling Mottola a racist. If there's one thing companies like Sony don't like, it's public humiliation. And Stringer, who runs Sony Entertainment, and is a class act, was never amused by Mottola's antics.
There was also the very public fight over royalties with the Dixie Chicks, and the company's inability to make Celine Dion's recent album more than a middling hit.


I believe this is part of the ongoing battle.  Michael publicly humiliated Sony by telling the truth and then shortly afterwards, Michael is (again) publicly humiliated with lies.  Their goal was to discredit whatever Michael said, or would say, and ruin him financially with an intent to steal his assets, namely the music catalog but this is not just limited to certain people within Sony.

Besides that Tommy Mottola was jealous of Michael for the fact that Thalia was somehow in love with Michael  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: Girl_In_the_Mirror on February 19, 2013, 04:49:51 AM
OMG you guys, I've been missing for almost a week ( had a terrible flu that almost killed me literally) and now I'm finally back, only to find out other interesting facts...I read the article posted by Paula C. - with Dick Gregory...WOW :omg: I also read about Mottolla, and indeed, there are facts that will slowly come to light, and I truly believe and hope that truth will prevail...

Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: suspicious mind on February 19, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
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http://blogcritics.org/music/article/tommy-mottola-canned-by-sony/
by Eric Olsen, on Jan 10, 2003
The surprise is not that he is gone, but how long he lasted - the judgment of anyone who would marry Mariah Carey is deeply flawed. I wouldn't marry Mariah Carey with someone else's body:
The 14-year reign of Tommy Mottola at Sony Music is over.
According to sources at Sony Music, where the phones have not stopped ringing, Mottola only found out he was leaving when he arrived this morning at 550 Madison. "He was told to go see Sir Howard Stringer, and when he got there they handed him a press release," my source said. Mottola was then given a couple of hours to clear out his office. A deal for a record label was, according to sources, Sony's resolution of the last year of his contract.
....The Japanese owners of Sony had a lot on their minds when it came to Mottola's future. The talented but volatile music executive personally forced out two of Sony's major stars, Mariah Carey (his ex-wife) and Michael Jackson. In the case of the former, the embarrassing story of Mottola allegedly stealing music from Carey's Glitter album and passing it to Jennifer Lopez didn't help much. Carey was able to use that information as leverage to leave her Sony contract one album early.
In the case of Jackson, the complicated goings-on regarding his finances and the Beatles catalog culminated last summer in Jackson riding around Manhattan with a megaphone calling Mottola a racist. If there's one thing companies like Sony don't like, it's public humiliation. And Stringer, who runs Sony Entertainment, and is a class act, was never amused by Mottola's antics.
There was also the very public fight over royalties with the Dixie Chicks, and the company's inability to make Celine Dion's recent album more than a middling hit.


I believe this is part of the ongoing battle.  Michael publicly humiliated Sony by telling the truth and then shortly afterwards, Michael is (again) publicly humiliated with lies.  Their goal was to discredit whatever Michael said, or would say, and ruin him financially with an intent to steal his assets, namely the music catalog but this is not just limited to certain people within Sony.

perhaps it is just me but i read this as sony holding this who thing against mattola not michael. i could be wrong but that's how it reads to me.
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: paula-c on February 19, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
Did Tommy Mottola Buy Credibility From The New York Times?


February 19, 2013

Tommy Mottola’s memoir Hitmaker: The Man and His Music hit the NY Times Bestseller list in it’s first week of publication at #3. How could this be? Here’s a record executive who hasn’t been with a record company in over a decade writing about a shrinking business and trying to sell his memoir to a shrinking book buying public.
 
If you’re an old school record industry guy, you’re probably very adept at manipulating the charts. In the pre-Soundscan days, the list of Billboard reporting retailers was a loosely kept secret and simple bribery was used to get many of those retailers to report inflated sales figures. When Soundscan eliminated the shenanigans by actually recording real sales by computer, record executives responded with new ways of gaming the system, like selling Mariah Carey singles at $.29 each, well below standard wholesale price, thus spiking sales, boosting chart positions and helping to establish new records… like outselling the Beatles.
 
So it makes perfect sense that a record executive could just as easily manipulate the book business and its version of the Billboard charts, the venerable NY Times Bestsellers. Such seems to be the case of Tommy Mottola’s recent autobiography. Upon close inspection, the timeline of the short-lived Hitmaker  raises eyebrows. The book was released on Tuesday, Jan. 29. After one full week of sales, Hitmaker enters the NY Times Bestselling Non-Fiction Hardcover list at the Number 3 on Feb. 9 (for the week ending Feb. 17). Pretty impressive, right? The loving Mrs. Thalia Mottola dutifully tweeted the good news (Tommy’s new book #HITMAKER is #3 on the NY Times Best Sellers list – Hardcover Nonfiction! http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/hardcover-nonfiction/list.html … Congrats! @TommyMottola). The book also entered bestseller lists from the LA Times, USA Today and Publishers Weekly at Number 6. According to reports, the next evening, at the Grammy’s, “Hitmaker was given out for free at a Grammy party by the truckload.” The rule of thumb is that once a book appears on the bestseller list, sales spike. But one week later the book had completely disappeared from every bestseller list. Not just dropped to a lower position, but completely gone. Not even in the top 150 bestsellers in USA Today. Vanished.
 
Gaming the bestseller list is not new. The first high profile case was in 1968 when producer Hal Wallis bought the film rights before the publication of True Grit. Wallis’ studio, Paramount, wanted to get the book on the bestseller list before filming even started, so the publicity department sent its people out to buy every copy of the book and gave them away to the media to build hype. By the time the film started shooting True Grit was Number 2 on the bestseller list, headed for Number 1 and a lengthy run as a bestselling novel.
 
According to The Economist, “In the late 1980s, the Scientology movement was accused of artificially inflating the sales of books by its founder L. Ron Hubbard to make them appear on the New York Times’s bestseller list—the doyen of lists, of which there are now around 40 in America alone. In 1990, four years after Hubbard’s death, billboards in Los Angeles proclaimed him as the author of ’22 national bestsellers and more to come’.”
 
Even Sarah Palin got in on the act. Three years ago she used her PAC to spend more than $63,000 for copies of her memoir Going Rogue: An American Life on what the organization described as “books for fundraising donor fulfillment.” The book  became a New York Times #1 bestseller in its first week of release, and remained there for six weeks.
 
So does this mean that Tommy sent his minions around to some key booksellers and bought their entire order then gave them away to Grammy partiers a few days later, who, by the way, were the most likely people to actually buy the book? Unlike the example above, Tommy Mottola is not a well-known figure to the general public. According to several authors of NY Times bestsellers I spoke with, it wouldn’t take much to pull it off. “A guy who thinks like Tommy Mottola and had his kind of money could easily influence the list by buying a thousand or so books from some big-name bookstores and enter in the Times’ Top 10. It could run as little as $27,000, which is peanuts for him”, says one author. Another bestselling author said, “It’s pretty much common sense to pick the stores that are most likely reporting outlets. But what’s rare is to see efforts to rig the charts that don’t have legs. Sounds to me like this is a good case of gaming the system.” Yet another author said “Something’s wrong with this book [Hitmaker]. It’s just not a subject matter that the book buyers are interested in. Tommy Mottola hasn’t been relevant for 10 years. Why would anybody care now? In fact, Mariah Carey’s not relevant either.”
 
Other than boosting sales, as this chicanery clearly didn’t, what is in it for Tommy? Even though Hitmaker was on the Times list for merely 1 week, he’s now able to refer to himself as a “New York Times bestselling author” …forever.
 
And they say you can’t buy credibility.
 
 
http://www.waynerosso.com/2013/02/19/tommy-mottola-buys-credibility-from-the-new-york-times/
Title: Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
Post by: MJonmind on February 19, 2013, 10:39:11 PM
Perhaps:
1. He wants to clear his name (devil) from those who believe MJ's account.
2. Powerful men above him, wanted to continue the degrading/destroying of MJ's name and fortune.
 
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