Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Revisiting Old Stuff => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on January 07, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
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Here is another thing that probably hasn't been figured out completely yet. I know we talked about this letter just being plain weird for a doctor to write, which is why MJ likely wrote it himself, but there seems to be a puzzle hidden in it. Some stuff is in bold, some in complete caps. TOPS, where TOP would have been a better word. Says a 5-7 day program offers a solution (to the puzzle?) and the bold caps used are D, T, I, C, O, N, T, O, P, S, U & N. Can something be made from that? Or should the other bold letters be used too?
It frustrates me to no end, maybe we can figure it out finally.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/michaepop.jpg)
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The first thing that caught my attention was the date 7/21 (three years prior)...it's the same month/day the drivers license was issued.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2nb64cx.jpg)
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The date 7/21 is an interesting coincidence. Did anyone notice the correct spelling is Buprenex not Buprinex? -- "for moderate to severe pain and as an anesthesia adjunct. Administered sublingually or by intramuscular or intravenous injection."
could 5-7 be years? 2007 - 2009 maybe
Looking at letters, sun, or count... ? could be interesting.
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Here is another thing that probably hasn't been figured out completely yet. I know we talked about this letter just being plain weird for a doctor to write, which is why MJ likely wrote it himself, but there seems to be a puzzle hidden in it. Some stuff is in bold, some in complete caps. TOPS, where TOP would have been a better word. Says a 5-7 day program offers a solution (to the puzzle?) and the bold caps used are D, T, I, C, O, N, T, O, P, S, U & N. Can something be made from that? Or should the other bold letters be used too?
It frustrates me to no end, maybe we can figure it out finally.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/michaepop.jpg)
Yes, weirdest letter ever from a doctor or an obvious clue - but what exactly?
I did an anagram search for the bolded cap'd letters but my eyes are too tired to really look at it for too long- http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=DTICONTOPSUN&t=1000&a=n
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Interesting connection....
http://www.healthgrades.com/group-directory/florida-fl/surfside/center-for-regenerative-medcn-48ce8724
Dr. Alimorad Farshchian, MD
Family Practice, Orthopedic Surgery
1001 NE 125th St, Miami, FL 33161
9573 Harding Ave, Surfside, FL 33154 (*Surfside and Miami Beach are the same city)
View Profile
Dr. Farshchian has:
25 Years of Practice
1 Hospital Affiliation
2 Office Locations
1 Insurance Carrier
Is this the same doctor Farshchian mentioned in the Weisner deposition? (1:44) :icon_eek:
http://youtu.be/CAA6ltsCcdk
...*Edit another point I noticed...on the DMV record the RSTR is left blank (it would normally state whether a person wears "corrective lenses" if they wear glasses. Not sure if this video is before or after the D.L. was issued. But Michael is clearly wearing glasses. :icon_e_ugeek:
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A few observations. The logo on their letter head is not the real logo of the medical center. Granted it could have changed since then, but typically companies / practices don't change their logo at a whim, because its something iconic that the public are familiar with and have a rapport with.
Perhaps the letter is fake and the intention is painting the scenario that MJ was Dr shopping for drugs?
And on the other hand it could be legitimate, home page of this place shows that they have a reputation for treating dancers, athletes, people of high profile, etc.
They are arthritic specialists with a focus on stem cell injections....
But yeah, the use of euphemisms such as This is It and You ain't seen nothing yet, are kinda mind blowing. I kinda tend to think this is from MJ and a mocked up letter, that he then leaked, and it is based on a Medical center he has been affiliated with or that he knew of so that it 'looks genuine'
Would have meant nothing at the time it was floated, but a lot once 'This is it' and 'hoax' were launched.
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What doctor is this from....not Murray......he was a "cardiologist".....this place deals with arthritis, shoulder, knees etc.......
http://www.arthritisusa.net/questions-and-answers.asp
This article mentions this place and this doctor.....:
Dr. Alimorad "Alex" Farschchian, family practitioner, dispensing practitioner, runs the Center for Regenerative Medicine in Miami Beach, Fla.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/07/15/doctors-treated-michael-jackson-investigation/http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/07/15/doctors-treated-michael-jackson-investigation/
It does seem like the font is completely off...the "Dearest MJ" seems to be facing frontwards and the letter then begins to fade back as if it's at an angle.....
*Funny the gematria match for "buprinex"
109 = buprinex = King of Pop, death is false
(just a crazy coincidence, lol)
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Oh and what professional organization starts off a letter with "Dearest"
In all my time of writting business to business letters, or profesional letters to health organisations, or my previous mental health and disability clients (I worked for a mental health care provider), never have I addressed one of the recipients with "Dearest"
I have to my mum, my sister, a girlfriend.
Letter is fishy. Understatement!
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Hello Everyone, This is my first post on the forum.
Well I looked at some words from the letters: d, t, i, c, o, n, t, o, p, s, u, n.
The words I got from this were 'CON' 'PUNDITS' & 'TO'
I searched this through Google with MJ added to the end of 'CON PUNDITS TO' and found some rather interesting articles, the last 5 links on page one are the ones you could possibly look at.
here is the link for this page:
http://www.google.co.uk/#q=Con+Pundits+To+Mj&hl=en&tbo=d&ei=iqXrUJ6YJYu10QWc5ID4BQ&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=84fcd28c6a769976&biw=1024&bih=509
So for the word 'Con' that pretty much means the fakers or deceivers.
and the word 'Pundit' is someone who will offer their opinion on the mass media, by TV or radio.
I'll explain bit more on the PUNDIT, I'm guessing these could be the people on the articles who have been talking about his death and have became CON PUNDITS TO which means they are given they're fake opinions on this...
could this be a clue saying to the media that they are getting false information out to us the public so they are pundits and being con'd themselves by MJ as it refers into the letter: 'U aint seen nothing yet'
Really Sorry to anyone who may find this confusing, it confused me quite a lot, but just my thoughts. :)
Thank you for reading
Aimzi
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Hey that's good Aimzii. Welcome to the forum. Looking fwd to hearing more from you ;)
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Here is another thing that probably hasn't been figured out completely yet. I know we talked about this letter just being plain weird for a doctor to write, which is why MJ likely wrote it himself, but there seems to be a puzzle hidden in it. Some stuff is in bold, some in complete caps. TOPS, where TOP would have been a better word. Says a 5-7 day program offers a solution (to the puzzle?) and the bold caps used are D, T, I, C, O, N, T, O, P, S, U & N. Can something be made from that? Or should the other bold letters be used too?
It frustrates me to no end, maybe we can figure it out finally.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/michaepop.jpg)
Hello Everyone!! :icon_e_biggrin: I noticed on the letter the logo also it reminds me of an angel,maybe Archangel Michael? It's just my guess.
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I've always related this letter with the 'fountain of youth'
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Snoopy71
Dr. Alimorad Farshchian, MD
Family Practice, Orthopedic Surgery
1001 NE 125th St, Miami, FL 33161
9573 Harding Ave, Surfside, FL 33154
Is this the same doctor Farshchian mentioned in the Weisner deposition? (1:44)
http://youtu.be/CAA6ltsCcdk
Don't know if there's any truth to this story that MJ spaining his foot in 1993 and 2001/2 was a hoax, because of the media sources.
http://faac.us/adf/messages/150056/157979.html?1191565308
Jermaine said MJ in the wheelchair was a hoax, so I think it's possible MJ's faking in the above video, that he was out of it on drugs all year, but he sure is cute looking so innocent. :ghsdf: :icon_lol:
I've always been fascinated by the mysterious Buprinex letter. When we consider the possibility of the Pepsi fire being a hoax, and MJ's early love for P.T. Barnum's hoaxes around that time in 84, then this letter suggests to me some more collaborations with medical people, and a few willing doctors.
Aussie
They are arthritic specialists with a focus on stem cell injections....
Thriller4ever
I've always related this letter with the 'fountain of youth'
So when MJ Bams in 30 years from now he'll look like he did in Bad era! :affraid:
'The strange case of Benjamin Button', the writer supposedly had MJ in mind. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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maybe some treatment option for the vitiligo
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maybe some treatment option for the vitiligo
From my observation on their website, it was def not for vitiligo treatment. They are not a dermatology practice. The focus on the degeneration of limbs, bones, joints due to high impact stuff, like dancing, sports, and other types of arthritis'
They are now known for stem cell stuff, in terms of regenerating worn ligaments, joints, etc in arthritis patients.
I quoted their webpage above.
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@MJonmind
if you see the letter-head it states "Center for regenerative medicine"
re·gen·er·a·tion
n.
1. The act or process of regenerating or the state of being regenerated.
2. Spiritual or moral revival or rebirth.
3. Biology Regrowth of lost or destroyed parts or organs.
And Florida is located near 'Bahamas', where the fountain of youth is. I think Paris once tweeted "Go To Bahamas" (or something like that) and deleted it?
And also, there was this pic that Paris uploaded a long time ago.
(http://grabilla.com/03108-d322c620-33ea-4015-957e-3d21acbbb7c5.png) (http://grabilla.com/03108-d322c620-33ea-4015-957e-3d21acbbb7c5.html)
Paris conveniently photoshopped it with 'Bad Era Michael'.
I personally feel that if Paris had to photoshop, then she could have done with a more recent pic of Mike but she chose a Bad era...that's meaningful for me.
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so this guy is sending a controlled substance in the mail?
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I'll come back here tonight because back posted re: stem cells. I'll transcribe it when I have a little more time.
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and we know that Michael suffered a back injury when the stage collapsed at concert. Ouch!
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2002 ..... 11 years ago..... :icon_rolleyes:
And 11 years ago words like This is it, Icon, U ain't seen nothin yet.... :icon_e_confused: are not coincidences ! :suspect:
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Those kinds of injuries NEVER go away. Some don’t even manifest until 10 to 15 years later, fyi. Wasn’t that fall in 1999?
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2002 ..... 11 years ago..... :icon_rolleyes:
And 11 years ago words like This is it, Icon, U ain't seen nothin yet.... :icon_e_confused: are not coincidences ! :suspect:
hummm interesting that he did make both of these statements publiclly , could they have been some kind of message or cue to someone? :icon_e_confused:
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Hello Everyone, This is my first post on the forum.
Well I looked at some words from the letters: d, t, i, c, o, n, t, o, p, s, u, n.
The words I got from this were 'CON' 'PUNDITS' & 'TO'
That sounds hoaxy.
The other words I came up with are: spin doc post, stop, conduit, CDT union...
or 'docs not put in'? ...do not cut spin... idk :suspect:
Also the obvious 7 pattern 7 21 or 12 … or 3+2+2=7 and 5+7 days =12
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I know this is probably totally unrelated to stem-CELL regeneration, but there is something about out-living your enemies that makes you the victor as well. Escaping the confines and prison of aging, and death--the enemy of us all. The cell is open and being tampered with. Sorry, it's weak. :icon_lol:
Last time I was with you,
I brought word that the cell was open.
I asked you to remember that.
Tonight, the cell remains open, and freedom lingers.
Silver suits shake, clinging trembling men with guilty fingers.
It’s a living hell torturing their mind
Hold on. Shine on. Justice is in line.
Believe in my words, and I promise you will find
The future will read the truth, line by line.
The cell is open, and justice in line.
During times of captivity, held were meetings of fire.
The devil should have known, previews were not his desire.
The devil should have known, its never wise to challenge the crown
The cowards will learn by now, its impossible to take icons down
For years now, the system was in control
Living lives of lies on his name, an asset became his artistic soul
In times of financial hardship, it was all ran by their book.
Thinking that forever, this artist would not look
The suits never did dream,
That their own may burn the pages of history
But history books are full of lies
A man once told you that, his words so very wise.
Tonight, I deliver to you, the broken glass
For the cell is open, and the book is burnt.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/michaepop.jpg)
Many things are super fishy about this letter .
We have that " Dearest MJ " that makes the supposedly professionally-written letter lack its formality , besides , there's no signature that justifies that the letter was indeed sent by one of that center's doctors .
There're those peculiar phrases like " u ain't seen nothing yet " and " This is it " that make me think of Michael's speech at the WMA in 2000
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXP3PW81RDI [/youtube]
And it’s because of moments like this I can say with all my heart that I’m very proud to be an entertainer. And… You ain’t seen nothing yet!” _Michael
And yeah the word is " Buprenex " not " Buprinex " , howcome a medical expert can't spell the name of a medicine correctly ? and why is "Demerol" shortened as " D" ! we don't see doctors doing that !
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No doubt about it - this was a seriously odd letter that emerged all that time ago!
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wE must zoom past ideological fixations and impediments and persue these scientific avenues for both the betterment and solvency of humanity in THIS world.-------
There may be imperfections to both the methods and applications, but that shouldn't hinder us from traveling such paths and in the process, steadily trying to perfect it.-------
Too many children have already "Gone Too Soon"-------
Open your eyes to possibilities instead of cynisisms-------
Keep WATCHIN'.......
transcribed typos n all.
I find it mildly interesting he spells "cynicism" with 'isis'.
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I don't know the history around this letter. New ground for me. So this may be a dumb question, but I can see the date says 2002. Out of curiosity, is that when the letter actually surfaced? Or did it surface on a more recent date, as in closer to TII era?
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More recent; post 6/25/09 to my knowledge.
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More recent; post 6/25/09 to my knowledge.
Yeah. TMZ posted the pic of the letter and Mj's handwritten note about buprenex/demerol
on 10th july 2009. I think that was it's first appearance.
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Thanks Jacaranda. http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/jackson-doc-offers-potent-narcotic-solution/
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July 21, 2002 was a Sunday. Not saying the letter couldn't have been written on a weekend but it would be unusual, from an office.
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The date 7/21 is an interesting coincidence. Did anyone notice the correct spelling is Buprenex not Buprinex? -- "for moderate to severe pain and as an anesthesia adjunct. Administered sublingually or by intramuscular or intravenous injection."
could 5-7 be years? 2007 - 2009 maybe
Looking at letters, sun, or count... ? could be interesting.
The letter says 5-7 days..
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Potent Narcotic already scary words.These highlighted words remind me of Jermaine words, This is it but not it, u aint seen nothing yet, not the last curtain call. very fishy
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Thanks Jacaranda and Andrea for finding this info.
7/10/2009 5:16 pm PDT by TMZ Staff
Jackson Doc Offers 'Potent Narcotic' Solution
One of Michael Jackson's doctors wanted Michael Jackson to trade his dependence onDemerol for another "potent narcotic."
Dr. Alex Farshchian wrote Michael Jackson a letter -- dated July 21, 2002 -- in which he writes, "Buprinex (sic) is the potent narcotic I told you about last week. It is just like the Dbut better." Buprenex is an injectable narcotic painkiller.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/07/10/mj3-2.jpg)
During a search of Neverland, Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies seized a scribbled note -- which may have been written by Jackson and found around his drug stash -- that says "Buprenex does the same as demerol, the only difference is you can't become an addict on Buprenex." The note refers to Buprenex as "synthetic demeroll (sic)." It goes on: "2 viles, I would feel safe having it in case of axident (sic)."
Our research shows if Buprenex is taken for long periods of time or at high doses, it can become addictive.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/07/10/0709_jackson_note_2a-2.jpg)
The doctor refers in his letter to a "5-7 day program that offers you the solution." The doctor does not explain the program.
Perhaps this note was planted, as MJ was likely aware the Neverland raid was going to happen. The drug addict theme is crucial for the hoax.
Funny the phone number in the letter is covered up.
What a web of deception: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615177/dea-joins-michael-jackson-investigation.jhtml
Here's a good post from ImConvinced: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18688.msg326286.html#msg326286
It's how elaborate and thorough the details of his 'addictions' are that make it so hard to see the illusion of it ALL.
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Perhaps the letter is fake and the intention is painting the scenario that MJ was Dr shopping for drugs?
Thought that too and this letter could be an intentional hint to 'doctor shopping' and prescribing drugs legally vs illegal prescriptions, forgeries eo criminal practices. A call for awareness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_shopping
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/health/2009/march/Doctor-Shopping-for-Painkillers-Adds-to-Rise-in-Overdose-Deaths.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/07/31/jackson.coroners.report/index.html
The fact is that Michael's alleged drugrelated 'death' , doctors and the trial got worldwide media attention and were leading to awareness. Hopefully criminal drug prescribing MONEY hungry doctors are more in the spotlight now :suspect:
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Hello Everyone, This is my first post on the forum.
Well I looked at some words from the letters: d, t, i, c, o, n, t, o, p, s, u, n.
The words I got from this were 'CON' 'PUNDITS' & 'TO'
I searched this through Google with MJ added to the end of 'CON PUNDITS TO' and found some rather interesting articles, the last 5 links on page one are the ones you could possibly look at.
here is the link for this page:
http://www.google.co.uk/#q=Con+Pundits+To+Mj&hl=en&tbo=d&ei=iqXrUJ6YJYu10QWc5ID4BQ&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=84fcd28c6a769976&biw=1024&bih=509
So for the word 'Con' that pretty much means the fakers or deceivers.
and the word 'Pundit' is someone who will offer their opinion on the mass media, by TV or radio.
I'll explain bit more on the PUNDIT, I'm guessing these could be the people on the articles who have been talking about his death and have became CON PUNDITS TO which means they are given they're fake opinions on this...
could this be a clue saying to the media that they are getting false information out to us the public so they are pundits and being con'd themselves by MJ as it refers into the letter: 'U aint seen nothing yet'
Really Sorry to anyone who may find this confusing, it confused me quite a lot, but just my thoughts. :)
Thank you for reading
Aimzi
The word sun is there lol Jermaine changed his name to Jacksun
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More recent; post 6/25/09 to my knowledge.
Yeah. TMZ posted the pic of the letter and Mj's handwritten note about buprenex/demerol
on 10th july 2009. I think that was it's first appearance.
lol again TMZ... Lol I honestly sometimes wonder how non believers reconcile all the "scoops"and "exclusives" that TMZ relsease on MJ and Co. It's such a neon sign saying "suspicious" yet they totally disregard! Don't get it. :icon_e_confused:
Thanks for posting the link andrea. :icon_e_wink:
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More recent; post 6/25/09 to my knowledge.
Yeah. TMZ posted the pic of the letter and Mj's handwritten note about buprenex/demerol
on 10th july 2009. I think that was it's first appearance.
Actually now knowing that it came out in 2009 and was a TMZ scoop, it makes me wonder now if the purpose of the letter is simply to perpetuate the "Drug Addict" character and that the THIS IS IT, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET, is a wink and assurance to hoaxers and fans (for those who pick up on it) that the letter itself is from MJ, content untrue and a part of the hoax.
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The letter definitely is a confidential document that has been released by TMZ for hoax purposes.
July 21, 2002 was a Sunday. Not saying the letter couldn't have been written on a weekend but it would be unusual, from an office.
Maybe only some people know about this deal with MJ, not meant for everyone to know, or is a major undertaking...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngw6QNcJuLo
watch this video. 'Regenerist' is used for anti-ageing
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So this Bruprinex (or Bruprenex) is a "synthetic" Demerol...as fake or a replacement Demerol.....interesting.
Demerol has only one "L"......this Bruprinex/Bruprenex is misspelled. There was a drug listed on the
paramedics report....it was misspelled as well. Lots of misspelled drugs around this hoax........
just an observation. Being that we have a fake Demerol listed is very curious, indeed.
I still see that letter as a total fake as well.....the angle at which it's at makes the lettering all wrong.
So I am not sure what we are supposed to "see"...but so far I like what I read from you guys...thank you!
Blessings
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I will give it a shot, maybe you will laugh, but the words I came out with these letters d, t, i, c, o, n, t, o, p, s, u, n. are: stop u con> tind>> Tind means to set on fire : kindle, ignite.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tind Other then these words, and what aimzi wrote I couldn't come up with anything else, unless some of you can. ;)
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Other single words or phrases I see are
Discount
Don't stop
Icon
Dust
Option
Sorry cant be of more help.
There must be an iPhone app that can help with this...
Edit: another one, count on it
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I think that even if we try as hard as we can to decipher those capitalised letters , we won't know what was exactly meant by them because in my opinion the writer of that letter ( who is believed to be Michael ) aimed at confusing people . Maybe there isn't something to be decoded and the capitalised letters stand as a hint that the letter was written by Michael for he was known for doing that ! In his written notes , he always capitalised letters whenever he actually shouldn't .
(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/tiyxyajm6dl0ynz9ozfv.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)
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On the surface of it, this letter appears to be hoaxy because of the phrases used, the boldening of parts and the seemingly
unproffesional tone it is written in. I've spent some hours getting to know a bit more about Dr Farshchian. It would seem from his patient
testimonials that they recieve a proffessional service, whilst being treated almost like family or at least a family friend, it all seems very
friendly and laid back. He appears to be a bit of a character.
What we don't know is how well aquainted Mj and the Dr were. I would say if they were on friendly terms, then it is not outside the realms of
possibility that Dr Farshchain wrote this and that it is genuine correspondance. Even though the letter is strange. It could be a case of the Dr being
friendly, encouraging, maybe laying it on a bit thick, or just plain old sucking up. (you are an icon/belong to the tops)
U aint seen Nothin' yet is in quotations, and he is clearly quoting mj. The first time (that i know of) that mj used that phrase was at the wma's in 2000.
It does seem strange that the Dr would quote something mj had said 2 year previous, but hey he coulda been watching mj footage at any time, the same
as the rest of us. It's also possible that Mj used this phrase in convo with the Dr.
This is it. <--- ok that ones a little scary, but it IS a common phrase. This is it..the answer to your problem, the solution, the doc just putting emphasis on what he is proposing? Possibly.
Second chapter. This letter isn't Dr Farshchians only mention of Mj's 'second chapter'.
This is from examiner.com 0ctober 2011...
Michael’s friend and confidante, Dr. A.J. Farschchian told Dr. Drew, “Michael Jackson himself is being way over-exaggerated. Health wise, everything you hear about.
Michael was actually afraid of medication.”
Dr. Farschchian said Michael believed physicians had a great amount of knowledge. “He would listen to them and he would trust them … Michael Jackson started his
second chapter of life in 2000 to 2003. He was very active and going to studios every day,”
Dr Farshchian founded the Center for Regenerative medicine in 2000. On healthgrades.com his specialities are listed as orthopedics and Family Practice.
Wikapedia notes that by 2001 Dr Farshchian limited his practice to non surgical orthopedics and sports medicine.
If this letter, written july 21 2002 (the date i find suspect, 7's) is genuine, I dont think it has anything to do with orthopedics (though i could see Mj having non surgical treatment to ailing joints)
The reason being, when TMZ stated 'the doctor refers in his letter to a "5-7 day program that offers you the solution". The doctor does not explain the program'.. that wasn't exactly true. At some point they posted another page of that letter ..
(http://vindicatemj.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/michael_jackson_drugs_05_full.jpg)
The 5-7 day programme was to be 5-7 days of outpatient buprenex injections before moving on to some kind of blocking therapy, to overcome a demerol dependancy, in a way that would be more private and less traumatic than other options. (the privacy angle may be why the Dr wrote this on a sunday, i assume from his home, rather from a practice with staff). If real, that is.
Personally i dont think there's anything actually hidden in this letter. Genuine or not.
My questions would be.. Who gave this letter to TMZ and for what purpose?
The biggest message i get from this letter is that it shows Mj had a desire to not be dependant on demerol, and if he actually was, sought help and advise to
rectify that, which is in contrast to pretty much everything in the media (especially around the time this letter surfaced) which painted Mj as crazed drug addict who died of a demerol overdose.
So I personally think that was the purpose of this letter going public.
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no such thing as a coincidence. this is planted by MJ - jmo.
so jacaranda, you suggesting that this letter shows MJ had a desire not to be on demerol, does that mean you actually think that he WAS a drug addict? :icon_e_confused:
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so jacaranda, you suggesting that this letter shows MJ had a desire not to be on demerol, does that mean you actually think that he WAS a drug addict? :icon_e_confused:
Taking a medicine for a complaint, and developing a dependancy on it, does not make someone a drug addict.
So no, that's not what i'm saying.
IF the letter is genuine, then it shows, at that time, that Mj had developed a dependancy on demerol, he was not
ok with that, and sought to do something about it. So good on him. If he was in pain, for whatever reason,
he has every right to have something prescribed to him, to help combat that pain. Same as anyone else.
And he could develop dependancy. Same as anyone else. It's not uncommon to end up dependant on any opioid analgesic
and can happen damn fast too.
IF this was the case then he should be afforded understanding and support, not be vilified for it.
There's nothing dirty or scandalous about it.
The letter is either:
Genuine, and leaked by MJ
Bullshit, and leaked by MJ
Genuine, leaked by other
Bullshit, leaked by other
And sinse theres not really any way of knowing which of those it is, I personally think it's more useful
to question WHY it surfaced when it did. Like I said, at that time, the media was full of 'demerol was cause of death' stuff,
for example:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529168,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529168,00.html)
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MichaelJackson/story?id=7938918&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MichaelJackson/story?id=7938918&page=1)
Then this letter appeared shortly after that. Media say demerol, letter says Anti-demerol. (whether the letter is genuine or not,
has no bearing on it, It's ANTI demerol).
So i'm saying, based on the content and the timing, it's a possiblity that it was simply released in answer to the
accusation that mj was a demerol addict and it caused his death. If that makes sense. ??
Sorry if i'm doing a shit job of explaining what i mean.
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Still, this letter does have a letterhead. I guess that doesn't make the letter completely informal to be sent on a Sunday. Anyways, what difference was it going to make if it was any other day?
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Still, this letter does have a letterhead. I guess that doesn't make the letter completely informal to be sent on a Sunday. Anyways, what difference was it going to make if it was any other day?
I think the day of the week is not what's really important, it was the date - July 21 - all the 7s. I mentioned that it was a Sunday just because it would be an unusual day for an office to send a letter but not so if it was a "discreet" letter.
I also wonder why this letter was photographed from a side angle and not straight on.
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so jacaranda, you suggesting that this letter shows MJ had a desire not to be on demerol, does that mean you actually think that he WAS a drug addict? :icon_e_confused:
Taking a medicine for a complaint, and developing a dependancy on it, does not make someone a drug addict.
So no, that's not what i'm saying.
IF the letter is genuine, then it shows, at that time, that Mj had developed a dependancy on demerol, he was not
ok with that, and sought to do something about it. So good on him. If he was in pain, for whatever reason,
he has every right to have something prescribed to him, to help combat that pain. Same as anyone else.
And he could develop dependancy. Same as anyone else. It's not uncommon to end up dependant on any opioid analgesic
and can happen damn fast too.
IF this was the case then he should be afforded understanding and support, not be vilified for it.
There's nothing dirty or scandalous about it.
The letter is either:
Genuine, and leaked by MJ
Bullshit, and leaked by MJ
Genuine, leaked by other
Bullshit, leaked by other
And sinse theres not really any way of knowing which of those it is, I personally think it's more useful
to question WHY it surfaced when it did. Like I said, at that time, the media was full of 'demerol was cause of death' stuff,
for example:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529168,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529168,00.html)
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MichaelJackson/story?id=7938918&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MichaelJackson/story?id=7938918&page=1)
Then this letter appeared shortly after that. Media say demerol, letter says Anti-demerol. (whether the letter is genuine or not,
has no bearing on it, It's ANTI demerol).
So i'm saying, based on the content and the timing, it's a possiblity that it was simply released in answer to the
accusation that mj was a demerol addict and it caused his death. If that makes sense. ??
Sorry if i'm doing a shit job of explaining what i mean.
Not a shit job at all! Very good explanation that i'm inclined to believe to be possible. I'd started looking up the buprenex 5-7 day program but could'nt make heads or tails of till you posted the other page of the letter and now it does make sense so thanks for that!
"Taking a medicine for a complaint, and developing a dependancy on it, does not make someone a drug addict" absolutely agree
with this too.
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Hello to you all. I am new here and this is my first post. I consider myself to be smart and a good investigator.
I started in this thread because I figured I needed to check out old stuff to catch up. I was turned on to this site by a video on youtube
after a little research of my own and also a gut feeling that MJ did not die that day. Anywayswas looking at that letter
and decided to check out the phone number given. I did some research and turns out the number on that letter is a
New Mexico number. I thought that was rather strange seeing how the office building is located in Miami , FLA.
What could this mean if anything?
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Oh.... I forgot to mention I also called the number and it is a dead number.
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Miami Beach Doctor Prescribed Michael Jackson Drugs, But Was He Trying to Help?
As more information about Michael Jackson's dependence on prescription drugs comes to light, a Miami Beach doctor might find himself in an unwelcome spotlight.
According to multiple sources, Jackson was under the treatment of Dr. Alex Farshchian. TMZ obtained a letter from Dr. Farshchian to Jackson dated July 21, 2002:
Dearest MJ
Hi and how are you,
I am not sure if you received my package earlier, so I am sending it again.
It's a 5-7 day program that offers you the solution.
Buprinex is the potent narcotic I told you about last week. It is just like the D but better.
I have everything ready. This is it. Do it before you start your second chapter. You are the best, you are an ICON, and you belong to the TOPS. "U ain't seen nothing yet." Let's do it as soon as possible. Read the attached and call me.
TMZ believes "the D" refers to Demerol, a drug that might have played a part in Jackson's death.
TheWrap.com also obtained documents from the 2004 child molestation investigation that name Farshchian. Police interviewed Michael Lapperuque, a former personal assistant to the star. He claims Farshchian was the person who introduced Jackson to Al Malnik, and Lapperuque added that "he did not like Farshchian at all," and that Malnik was another one of Farshchian's patients.
(http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/Mj%20Police%20Report%20Toxicology.jpg)
A second former member of Jackson's team, Chris Carter, also discussed Farshchian. From the police report: "He said Dr. Farshchian told him that Jackson was addicted to Demerol but said he was giving Jackson a placebo to wean him off."
The drug Farshchian talks about in his letter, Buprinex, is a semi-synthetic opioid used to treat chronic pain. It is also used in the management of opioid (like Demerol) addiction. Howard Stern sidekick Artie Lange called it a "miracle pill" after it helped him beat his heroin addiction.
Farshchian works out of the Center for Regenerative Medicine in Miami Beach. A regular donor to the Republican Congressional Committee, he was named doctor of the year by its physician advisory board in 2003. The main focus of his practice seems to be arthritis treatment, not drug dependence.
Exclu: 5 Doctors Named in 2004 Police Report
Published: July 06, 2009
As a multi-agency criminal investigation continues into the death of Michael Jackson, confidential police documents from 2004 suggest that the path into the dark world of the entertainer’s use of prescription drugs was lined with willing doctors and employees.
A police interview with former Jackson bodyguard Christopher Carter named five doctors who continually prescribed drugs for the pop star. (Read the full document here.)
“Carter said he would drive Jackson to doctor’s offices in New York, Florida and California,” according to the interview, labelled “highly confidential.”
He named “Dr. Klein, Dr. Metzger (unknown spelling), Dr. Barney from Solvang, Dr. Saunders and Dr. Farshchian,” the interview read.
XCERPT #1
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“Carter described Jackson as being sharp and ‘in tune’ prior to the doctor visits and afterward he would be out of it and sedated.”
Dr. Farshchian told Carter that Jackson was addicted to Demerol, but that he’d been trying to wean the entertainer from it.
The police interviews were part of the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department investigation into charges that Michael Jackson had molested Gavin Arvizo, a young man who frequently visited the entertainer with his parents.
Jackson was acquitted of the charges in 2004.
“Dr. Klein” refers to Arnold Klein, the Beverly Hills dermatologist who was Jackson’s longtime caregiver. His assistant, Deborah Rowe, carried two of Jackson’s children.
TheWrap called Klein’s office to ask whether he had illegally prescribed medications.
EXCERPT #2
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"We are not making any statement," said a female employee answering his phones at his Beverly Hills office. The employee hung up when asked if Klein was being questioned by Los Angeles police who are investigating Jackson’s death.
Alex Farshchian’s office did not respond to a message left by TheWrap. The other doctors could not be reached for comment.
Citing an anonymous source, The Los Angeles Times reported that the authorities are investigating five doctors and their treatment of Jackson, which may or may not have had an impact in the singer's death.
It is not known what involvement the physicians cited in 2004 may have had in the final days of Jackson's life or if they are part of LAPD probe, which is getting an assist from the DEA and the California Attorney General's office.
It is a felony to illegally prescribe prescription drugs, meaning to prescribe drugs while knowing the patient is not in need of them for a medical condition. But legal experts say that the crime can be extremely hard to prove.
A preliminary LA County Coroner's report on death was inconclusive as to cause of death. Toxicology tests on Jackson are expected within several weeks.
TheWrap has reported that the independent autopsy requested by Jackson's family was, like the L.A. coroner's findings, inconclusive.
Another confidential police interview gave further detail into doctors supplying Jackson with prescription drugs. Bodyguard Michael LaPerruque told Santa Barbara detectives that he believed Dr. Farshchian “may have been over prescribing medication.”
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/07/miami_beach_doctor_proscribe_m.php
http://www.thewrap.com/deal-central/article/medical-history-lined-questionsand-five-doctors_4147
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A person dependent on medication IS a drug addict. Medication=drug, dependency=addict. "Dependent on medication" is a nice way of saying "drug addict" but let's not kid ourselves, it's the exact same animal.
Side note: perhaps that is part of the point. Demerol is a drug that easily causes dependency. Big Pharma makes billions off of creating drug addicts out of it's customers with physician approval and encouragement and the whole problem gets swept under the rug because it's delivered under the guise of "health care".
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A person dependent on medication IS a drug addict. Medication=drug, dependency=addict. "Dependent on medication" is a nice way of saying "drug addict" but let's not kid ourselves, it's the exact same animal.
Side note: perhaps that is part of the point. Demerol is a drug that easily causes dependency. Big Pharma makes billions off of creating drug addicts out of it's customers with physician approval and encouragement and the whole problem gets swept under the rug because it's delivered under the guise of "health care".
thinking of Michael's song 'morphine':
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as much
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Hee-hee-hee
Demerol
Demerol
Oh my Oh God it's Demerol
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RxSM2ycTcHI/T_Um2K3khtI/AAAAAAAAUNk/NBSQEwcw1rM/s400/michael+jackson+raras+cascio+(31).jpg)
At Disney World, Florida: Dr. Alex Farshchian with his son Joseph, Michael, Prince, Paris, and Frank Cascio
http://cartasparamichael.blogspot.ca/2012/07/my-friend-michael-45.html
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/casciofars.jpg)
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A person dependent on medication IS a drug addict. Medication=drug, dependency=addict. "Dependent on medication" is a nice way of saying "drug addict" but let's not kid ourselves, it's the exact same animal.
I really can't agree with that. It would almost be like saying diabetics who are dependent on insulin are drug addicts. One way of describing dependency is that the body can't function normally without the drug, or go into withdrawl without it. An addict may also have dependency, but a dependent isn't necessarily an addict.
It's hard to explain, so i'll pull up some info..
http://addictionscience.net/b2evolution/blog1.php/2009/03/30/why-distinguishing-between-drug-dependen (http://addictionscience.net/b2evolution/blog1.php/2009/03/30/why-distinguishing-between-drug-dependen)
http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/pain/medication/addiction-v-dependence-on-pain-medications.htm (http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/pain/medication/addiction-v-dependence-on-pain-medications.htm)
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/there-difference-between-physical-dependence (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/there-difference-between-physical-dependence)
http://www.jenniferschneider.com/articles/addiction-tolerance-dependence.html (http://www.jenniferschneider.com/articles/addiction-tolerance-dependence.html)
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Well considering we are talking about Demerol, not insulin, my statement stands.
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Hello to you all. I am new here and this is my first post. I consider myself to be smart and a good investigator.
I started in this thread because I figured I needed to check out old stuff to catch up. I was turned on to this site by a video on youtube
after a little research of my own and also a gut feeling that MJ did not die that day. Anywayswas looking at that letter
and decided to check out the phone number given. I did some research and turns out the number on that letter is a
New Mexico number. I thought that was rather strange seeing how the office building is located in Miami , FLA.
What could this mean if anything?
First of all welcome to the forum, I did more research and the area code 305 is Flordia Not New Mexico. http://www.areacodehelp.com/where/area_code_305.shtml
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Hello my friends, I found out more about this phone number on the letter 3058668384 It belongs to a MR. Alex Farshehian Address: 9573 Harding Ave
Surfside, FL 33154-2501 The question is who is this man?
http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=resultsphone
Now I found out he is a doctor actually an orthopedist he specializes in arthritis. If any one lives in Florida could call and find out more info about this doctor.
http://www.yelp.ca/biz/alex-farshchian-md-north-miami
So sorry, I did not see that someone has already found out about this doctor, I can I erase my post?
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About "drug addict": I think that there is a difference between someone who takes say heroin and becomes an addict and someone who becomes dependent on a drug because of a health issue against their will with doctor prescription. But maybe this is just semantics here; it’s the “philosophy” behind that makes the difference imo.
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humm this doctor seems too be portrayed much in the same way as murray.
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Well considering we are talking about Demerol, not insulin, my statement stands.
of course, how anyone dare not to agree with your "highness". You are "top investigator, doctorate in law and medical degree, judge, law clerk, congress woman who adopts law in the US, chief of medical board and department of justice".
Everybody else................just nobody, just misers, yeah, it's only Bec who knows everything even why MJ hoaxedd his death. Yeah, he asked for your advice I am sure, otherwise he could not die without it.
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:icon_rolleyes: Oh pls someone ban it! :icon_evil:
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Well considering we are talking about Demerol, not insulin, my statement stands.
of course, how anyone dare not to agree with your "highness". You are "top investigator, doctorate in law and medical degree, judge, law clerk, congress woman who adopts law in the US, chief of medical board and department of justice".
Everybody else................just nobody, just misers, yeah, it's only Bec who knows everything even why MJ hoaxedd his death. Yeah, he asked for your advice I am sure, otherwise he could not die without it.
Goodbye.....
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About "drug addict": I think that there is a difference between someone who takes say heroin and becomes an addict and someone who becomes dependent on a drug because of a health issue against their will with doctor prescription. But maybe this is just semantics here; it’s the “philosophy” behind that makes the difference imo.
I agree Sarahli...and it's not just semantics. While the physical result is technically the same as bec stated...the HUGE difference in my perception is the intent/method of the drug taker. Becoming dependent on a medicine prescribed by a Dr. for a genuine/legitimate medical condition is a common, very unfortunate side effect. Numbing oneself continually and intentionally for the "feel good" to escape the reality of their day-to-day lives...that's the personality/mentality I call an "addict".
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If you believe dependency = addict or dependency = non addict, I guess wasn't my point. I personally believe that someone having a dependency is an addict. We are not referring to an individual with a disease or illness who has the inability to produce a vital hormone or enzyme such as insulin. My point was simply re: jacarandas' comment is that I don't believe MJ was an addict or had a dependency, at least not at the time of this letter and not with the substance mentioned. Did he try to perpetuate such a scenario of a doctor shopping addict for the purpose of the hoax? IMO, I believe yes.
This letter is not legitimate.
Sidenote: Sorry in advance for being controversial, but I'll add, that now after some research and forming an opinion on Pepsi accident, (whether it be right or wrong, just my opinion, not saying this is what ppl should believe) I even doubt the whole 'addicted to pain killer' story that I once believed. I used to believe propofol / Demerol / morphene addiction stories close to 09 as false and pain killer addiction story circa 95 - 05 possibly true. Since exploring ideas about Pepsi burn, I have changed my opinion. I believe it all to be painting scenario for hoax. MJ is a health freak! But again jmo. :icon_e_wink:
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In my opinion, the only difference between Heroin and some pharmaceuticals is one is illegal.
Off Topic: I see my fan club is growing.
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Dependency and addiction are almost the same but these words are used in different context.
Dependency - on prescribed medications
addiction - any illegal drug.
Dependency is more subtle.
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It is possible to be addicted to legal perscription medication.
But we are going in circles here splitting hairs over words.
my point is that I don't believe MJ had an additction nor a dependency. One can choose their preferred word here.
But I do get the point to are making Thriller :icon_e_wink:
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Maybe this is irrelevant...but I'll say it anyway :icon_e_confused:
I find it interesting that both Farshchian and Murray were trying to "wean" Michael off of medications....by trying "alternative" medications.
As for the letter itself.....
The first part of the letter looks "hoaxy" but at first glance the second part looks legit, but certain phrases seem odd. :suspect:
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/07/10/mj3-2.jpg)
The second letter refers to "u" instead of "you"
"You have been doing this. Did not work for u"
"Not for u because of publicity"
(http://i46.tinypic.com/33wqq7q.jpg)
The Vitruvian Man symbol (or at least that's what I assume it to be) has been altered....it has wings, whereas the original does not.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2dtqjr5.jpg)
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Buprinex, or the slang "Bupe Program" as we refer to it here in Australia, is rolled out by doctors to try and help someone break a (most of the time) heroin habit. It is controlled, measured, reduced and worked towards a goal / timeline to get the person clean. (so the theory goes) Similar to methedone program, also used to treat heroin addicts.
Their aim is to a) emilinate drug over dose, b) needle infected disease, and c) ultimately at a minimum reduce, but hopefully cease drug useage in the patient. I had many a client on the program. I have seen approximately about 40 percent of participants come clean, others have gone back to herion, and even futher others have just swapped drugs. Heroin, for Bupe. They just sit on the program indefinitely without reducing nor a time limit. In Australia it means free drugs, clean needles, disability status, disability benefits, job searching exempt status. I know a guy who has been on the program 7 years now!
It's the Governments solution to getting it off the street. However the drug companies make a nice lil profit from it and tax payers have to fund the gap of disability initiatives for the participants!
It's not really a solution. Just moving the chess pieces around. JMO
Anyways, this letter is inviting MJ to take on the program.
Considering I don't believe MJ was a drug addict that needed Bup intervention, on this basis, I say the letter is fake. JMO
Edit: have seen clients (from my social worker days) go on the program for extacy, crystal meth and marijuanna abuse, not just herion.
Double edit: Buprinex is an opiad, so it is just as easy to form an addiction / dependency to it as there is to Herion. It's much debated in social / health circles in Australia. I am personally not for it, but thats JMO.
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Oh, forgot to add, that another reason I am personally against the program here in Australia, is that when a person is on Bupe, and they are making 'progress' and are more 'trusted' they get to take 14 days supply home with them (we refer to it as take home packs) that they can self administer and not take up doctors time. It often ends up on the street cut down with other dirty stuff like washing detergent etc to make more profit.
So scenario is we then have drug companies making money off drug addiction, underground trafficing (although its considered petty crime, comapred to what local mafia push) being profited from by the drug addict, people getting sick becuase they are injecting washing detergent and tax payers paying for it. If they are caught they don't get charged, because they are disability status, if they are charged they most times not convicted on the grounds of "altered state of mind" (The majority get away with it with a mere slap on the wrist, again because its considered petty crime compared to other drug rings)
So again, its not really a solution. It creates revenue and a stream of other problems too. Namely a rising number of "disability" pensions being despensed by the Government. In Australia we have more people on Disability benefits than we do on unemployment benefits. Why? Because when Gov goes to a vote, it looks better on paper that unemployment figures have dropped... When in reality, they are still the same figures. They just move the "unemployed drug addicts" out of "unemployment benefit" category and into a different category - Government has allowed drug addicts to be classified as "Disabilty" - So rather than them needing to look for work, their unemployment benefit is called something else "disability benefit" and it's all wrapped up in a neat little bow!
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humm dependency on a controlled substance.
anybody else see a parallel with media ?
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We're all addicted to the "news"?
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If you believe dependency = addict or dependency = non addict, I guess wasn't my point. I personally believe that someone having a dependency is an addict. We are not referring to an individual with a disease or illness who has the inability to produce a vital hormone or enzyme such as insulin. My point was simply re: jacarandas' comment is that I don't believe MJ was an addict or had a dependency, at least not at the time of this letter and not with the substance mentioned. Did he try to perpetuate such a scenario of a doctor shopping addict for the purpose of the hoax? IMO, I believe yes.
This letter is not legitimate.
Sidenote: Sorry in advance for being controversial, but I'll add, that now after some research and forming an opinion on Pepsi accident, (whether it be right or wrong, just my opinion, not saying this is what ppl should believe) I even doubt the whole 'addicted to pain killer' story that I once believed. I used to believe propofol / Demerol / morphene addiction stories close to 09 as false and pain killer addiction story circa 95 - 05 possibly true. Since exploring ideas about Pepsi burn, I have changed my opinion. I believe it all to be painting scenario for hoax. MJ is a health freak! But again jmo. :icon_e_wink:
I 100% agree with you, I am a chocolate addict because I drink cocoa milk everyday, LOL , I think Michael's message with his song "Morphine" is very clear:
Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as mu
Doctors are trying their patients to get hooked to take drugs by working hand by hand with chemical labs and obtain huge benefits with it and I think this is one of the biggest desires for Michael to expose and eradicate it once and for all, that's why I think this letter isn't legit and is made by him for a shout out hoaxy purpose it's easy to see that since the date and day of the week used (July 21/sunday) speak volumes.
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If you believe dependency = addict or dependency = non addict, I guess wasn't my point. I personally believe that someone having a dependency is an addict. We are not referring to an individual with a disease or illness who has the inability to produce a vital hormone or enzyme such as insulin. My point was simply re: jacarandas' comment is that I don't believe MJ was an addict or had a dependency, at least not at the time of this letter and not with the substance mentioned. Did he try to perpetuate such a scenario of a doctor shopping addict for the purpose of the hoax? IMO, I believe yes.
This letter is not legitimate.
Sidenote: Sorry in advance for being controversial, but I'll add, that now after some research and forming an opinion on Pepsi accident, (whether it be right or wrong, just my opinion, not saying this is what ppl should believe) I even doubt the whole 'addicted to pain killer' story that I once believed. I used to believe propofol / Demerol / morphene addiction stories close to 09 as false and pain killer addiction story circa 95 - 05 possibly true. Since exploring ideas about Pepsi burn, I have changed my opinion. I believe it all to be painting scenario for hoax. MJ is a health freak! But again jmo. :icon_e_wink:
I 100% agree with you, I am a chocolate addict because I drink cocoa milk everyday, LOL , I think Michael's message with his song "Morphine" is very clear:
Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as mu
Doctors are trying their patients to get hooked to take drugs by working hand by hand with chemical labs and obtain huge benefits with it and I think this is one of the biggest desires for Michael to expose and eradicate it once and for all, that's why I think this letter isn't legit and is made by him for a shout out hoaxy purpose it's easy to see that since the date and day of the week used (July 21/sunday) speak volumes.
That song always reminded me of a seductive suicide note...that "last cry" for help sort of thing to draw attention that something is wrong. Its always been unsettling.
Side note: Does anyone know what day of the week that was that that Murray made his "video recording" supposedly of Michael "under the influence"...half sleep or awake or whatever? :icon_e_confused:
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suspicious mind:
humm dependency on a controlled substance.
anybody else see a parallel with media ?
That is an interesting parallel! What we hear from the media is controlled by "TPTB" and most of it is garbage. People depend on the news to know what's going on but are being fed that garbage. Some have been able to break from this dependency after realizing it's poison for the mind.
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I've always thought the drug stories were all bullshit, but on the other hand I wonder how any person can cope with all the shit MJ had to deal with for so long, without becoming addicted to anything that might make you forget everything, even if it's only for a little while. Many others wouldn't even have made it through alive. So maybe there were problems, I would not be very surprised.
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If you believe dependency = addict or dependency = non addict, I guess wasn't my point. I personally believe that someone having a dependency is an addict. We are not referring to an individual with a disease or illness who has the inability to produce a vital hormone or enzyme such as insulin. My point was simply re: jacarandas' comment is that I don't believe MJ was an addict or had a dependency, at least not at the time of this letter and not with the substance mentioned. Did he try to perpetuate such a scenario of a doctor shopping addict for the purpose of the hoax? IMO, I believe yes.
This letter is not legitimate.
Sidenote: Sorry in advance for being controversial, but I'll add, that now after some research and forming an opinion on Pepsi accident, (whether it be right or wrong, just my opinion, not saying this is what ppl should believe) I even doubt the whole 'addicted to pain killer' story that I once believed. I used to believe propofol / Demerol / morphene addiction stories close to 09 as false and pain killer addiction story circa 95 - 05 possibly true. Since exploring ideas about Pepsi burn, I have changed my opinion. I believe it all to be painting scenario for hoax. MJ is a health freak! But again jmo. :icon_e_wink:
I 100% agree with you, I am a chocolate addict because I drink cocoa milk everyday, LOL , I think Michael's message with his song "Morphine" is very clear:
Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as mu
Doctors are trying their patients to get hooked to take drugs by working hand by hand with chemical labs and obtain huge benefits with it and I think this is one of the biggest desires for Michael to expose and eradicate it once and for all, that's why I think this letter isn't legit and is made by him for a shout out hoaxy purpose it's easy to see that since the date and day of the week used (July 21/sunday) speak volumes.
That song always reminded me of a seductive suicide note...that "last cry" for help sort of thing to draw attention that something is wrong. Its always been unsettling.
Side note: Does anyone know what day of the week that was that that Murray made his "video recording" supposedly of Michael "under the influence"...half sleep or awake or whatever? :icon_e_confused:
Conrad Murray supposedly made the tape on May 10,2009 it was a Sonday.
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I 100% agree with you, I am a chocolate addict because I drink cocoa milk everyday, LOL , I think Michael's message with his song "Morphine" is very clear:
Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as mu
Doctors are trying their patients to get hooked to take drugs by working hand by hand with chemical labs and obtain huge benefits with it and I think this is one of the biggest desires for Michael to expose and eradicate it once and for all, that's why I think this letter isn't legit and is made by him for a shout out hoaxy purpose it's easy to see that since the date and day of the week used (July 21/sunday) speak volumes.
That song always reminded me of a seductive suicide note...that "last cry" for help sort of thing to draw attention that something is wrong. Its always been unsettling.
Side note: Does anyone know what day of the week that was that that Murray made his "video recording" supposedly of Michael "under the influence"...half sleep or awake or whatever? :icon_e_confused:
Conrad Murray supposedly made the tape on May 10,2009 it was a Sonday.
Thank You :icon_mrgreen:
I thought maybe there was something to that.....but maybe not (I can't come up with a pattern) :icon_e_confused:
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humm dependency on a controlled substance.
anybody else see a parallel with media ?
^^^^^^^
Prop-of-fool.
They didn't change the name without any reason.
However, everybody can define dosage, take-in and sheer presence and role of the media his-/herself.
Continuous diminishing impact happens to print and tabloids since decades. One day, they will be completely gone.
There's an "off" button on any device, too.
Pushing it means taking back control over my life and my precious time.
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In this video an interview with Dr. Treacy about MJ and drug presciptions:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUFcPbRuiEg [/youtube]
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I've always thought the drug stories were all bullshit, but on the other hand I wonder how any person can cope with all the shit MJ had to deal with for so long, without becoming addicted to anything that might make you forget everything, even if it's only for a little while. Many others wouldn't even have made it through alive. So maybe there were problems, I would not be very surprised.
Very well said, I agree ;)
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I 100% agree with you, I am a chocolate addict because I drink cocoa milk everyday, LOL , I think Michael's message with his song "Morphine" is very clear:
Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as mu
Doctors are trying their patients to get hooked to take drugs by working hand by hand with chemical labs and obtain huge benefits with it and I think this is one of the biggest desires for Michael to expose and eradicate it once and for all, that's why I think this letter isn't legit and is made by him for a shout out hoaxy purpose it's easy to see that since the date and day of the week used (July 21/sunday) speak volumes.
That song always reminded me of a seductive suicide note...that "last cry" for help sort of thing to draw attention that something is wrong. Its always been unsettling.
Side note: Does anyone know what day of the week that was that that Murray made his "video recording" supposedly of Michael "under the influence"...half sleep or awake or whatever? :icon_e_confused:
Conrad Murray supposedly made the tape on May 10,2009 it was a Sonday.
Thank You :icon_mrgreen:
I thought maybe there was something to that.....but maybe not (I can't come up with a pattern) :icon_e_confused:
I don't know. I just realized the "Letter" (2002), and the recording (2009) have a 7 year gap betwwen them. Do you think that might be something ? Also i think the song Morphine is huge clue to this hoax, it sounds like the person is sedated or in a medical coma from the drug and the doctor is pacifying the patient while injecting them with Demerol. It sounds like the entire death scene translated to a song. I'm probably wrong... :Crash:
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It sounds like the entire death scene translated to a song.
Wow Sunnie, that's good.
Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away
It's so obvious... and yet so over looked. Great observation!
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I would not be surprised if MJ did have a few dependency issues. He is human like the rest of us and we all have our own special little quirks. As with all things in this hoax, there is the two sides being presented...ie...MJ was a healthy as a horse vs MJ a walking drug addict. So...we continue to speculate with the stories and titbits presented to us. I do go with my gut tho and choose the health freak option.
The one thing I can't swallow is that he would be addicted to an anesthetic like propofol and rely on being sedated for sleep. I've always wondered why MJ chose such a death scene for his hoax. I've scratched my head about it for the past 3 years and through the course, we looked at dodgey doctors/ Dr feelgoods ect, and we're still waiting and watching.
I heard a conspiracy video maker say recently that Bob Marley was tortured for the last 6 months of his life by a Nazi trained doctor who was painfully sticking large needles into him under the guise of an alternative cancer cure. She then related that to MJ's 'death'. [she thinks he is gone]
But it did make me think of the Jackson visiting the Marleys back in the 70's and the video maker made a connection that I had never previously thought of.
[Sorry for straying a little far from original topic here]
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[Sorry for straying a little far from original topic here]
We've all been a little guilty of that recently :icon_e_wink:
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Everlastinglove_MJ, thanks for the video of Dr. Treacy, nice man. He talked of how in the 7 to 8 months MJ stayed in Ireland that he never saw him on drugs, and he never gave him any prescription of drugs. He said MJ went under a couple of times with propofol but with an anesthesist present. He said MJ read some of his large medical books and knew quite a bit in the field, was always asking questions to learn. He said he was very intelligent, and would never do anything to harm himself. He said he did have trouble with insomnia.
Another video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6xL7zvkwdHk&NR=1[/youtube]
You know, I think MJ had to have some experience himself with various drugs (probably very minimal) to help him carry out the hoax, so that it was believable with various witnesses telling what they knew, and so that he would be able to get various details correct. But it was NEVER to the extent that the official story has given. Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant? :icon_lol:
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This is maybe off topic but I find it interesting . Karen Faye tweeted this as a reply to someone who asked her whether or not Michael watched American Idol .
Let me explain why this question is insane to me. Before Michael died, he suffered from chronic insomnia, exhausted and struggling to survive a schedule that killed him. So, you are wondering if he may have watched American Idol during rehearsals? I was working with him "before he died" and we weren't watching TV.
I find it kind of irrelevant that she brought Michael 's health problems to the spotlight while being asked about a tv show . She could have replied with something like " No , we didn't watch TV " or something like that . It is also fishy and hoaxy that she put the phrase " before he died " between quotation marks . It's something we -hoaxers- do whenever we want to refer to the death which didn't take place .
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@Jowariya i don't know what to say about this, but some questions irritate sometimes, so this might just be one of those cases. Karen Faye never seemed hoaxy to me unless I'm missing something out.
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I would not be surprised if MJ did have a few dependency issues. He is human like the rest of us and we all have our own special little quirks. As with all things in this hoax, there is the two sides being presented...ie...MJ was a healthy as a horse vs MJ a walking drug addict. So...we continue to speculate with the stories and titbits presented to us. I do go with my gut tho and choose the health freak option.
The one thing I can't swallow is that he would be addicted to an anesthetic like propofol and rely on being sedated for sleep. I've always wondered why MJ chose such a death scene for his hoax. I've scratched my head about it for the past 3 years and through the course, we looked at dodgey doctors/ Dr feelgoods ect, and we're still waiting and watching.
I heard a conspiracy video maker say recently that Bob Marley was tortured for the last 6 months of his life by a Nazi trained doctor who was painfully sticking large needles into him under the guise of an alternative cancer cure. She then related that to MJ's 'death'. [she thinks he is gone]
But it did make me think of the Jackson visiting the Marleys back in the 70's and the video maker made a connection that I had never previously thought of.
[Sorry for straying a little far from original topic here]
Those who really knew and spent time with MJ say they never saw him under the influence of drugs, that he was healthy, etc. And yet we have various doctor visits and prescriptions/medications found at Carolwood and during the 2003 raid, some under aliases. I think the 2 sides presented - healthy MJ vs "druggie" MJ was deliberate. Maybe it was his way of fooling "them" and the public. It could almost be a defense mechanism, or a suit or armor, to have people think he's unhealthy or unstable (because of all the meds) because then they don't know what he's capable of or what he's planning. It's also something to "fall back on" if something goes awry. If the pepsi fire was the onset of the hoax, the seeds of drug dependency are planted. He entered rehab after the 1993 allegations came out, claiming an addiction to pain killers. I think he would've known at that point that someone(s) was out to get him so going into rehab demonstrated this constant "problem he's had" and it may have bought him some time to plan what he would do next. This is not to say that he never had a problem or never took any meds - I just think the notion of him being addicted was more of a front, to protect himself. Same with the manner of death - it was so bizarre to the point that people would believe it because it's Michael Jackson - the MJ everyone thinks was out of it on drugs for the last half of his life.
Everlastinglove_MJ, thanks for the video of Dr. Treacy, nice man. He talked of how in the 7 to 8 months MJ stayed in Ireland that he never saw him on drugs, and he never gave him any prescription of drugs. He said MJ went under a couple of times with propofol but with an anesthesist present. He said MJ read some of his large medical books and knew quite a bit in the field, was always asking questions to learn. He said he was very intelligent, and would never do anything to harm himself. He said he did have trouble with insomnia.
Another video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6xL7zvkwdHk&NR=1[/youtube]
You know, I think MJ had to have some experience himself with various drugs (probably very minimal) to help him carry out the hoax, so that it was believable with various witnesses telling what they knew, and so that he would be able to get various details correct. But it was NEVER to the extent that the official story has given. Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant? :icon_lol:
It would make sense for Michael to create the back story of drug dependency by visiting several doctors and getting various prescriptions, over the years. He could not be a "believable" "drug addict" if there was no "evidence" to support it. I'm sure there were times where medication was necessary (as with everyone) but I just don't believe that he ever really abused anything. If he ever did have a problem then he had the best people on hand to get him the help he needed. But it's my belief that the best way Michael could've protected himself from say, TPTB or even the public, was to fool them - make fools of them for underestimating him and believing what they hear.
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It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?
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It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?
Ya I'll say! Could be how he kept his private life private - no one ever really knows what's what.
Or were you thinking something more... double-ish? lol
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Shit, ...who said or you placed this label of being a drug addict", the media, :icon_e_confused: by which all the people that knew him agree that he was a healthy person
Drug Addict is a person in a state of periodic or chronic intoxication caused by the repeated consumption of a drug. The drug becomes a primary need: "first use of the drug to eat". This is the tragedy of man dominated by any addiction, alcohol or any other drugs
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It would be a hard sell to make the public believe that Michael died of propofol poisoning without some prior reference to him being at some time dependent on drugs. It had to be introduced and the public made to at least to suspect some dependency in order for them to immediately accept that he had been overdosed. That said, I do not believe that Michael was addicted. I do however believe that he has used aids to help him wind down and get to sleep when he was touring. And at least to me, with his high anxiety and energy, I see that as not so unusual.
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It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?
Ya I'll say! Could be how he kept his private life private - no one ever really knows what's what.
Or were you thinking something more... double-ish? lol
Dunno, just interesting.
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It's interesting that we always have 2 contradicting stories on MJ, isn't it?
The epitome of duplicity if you ask me. Of course jmo
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Maybe wading through all of the contradiction is the "Discover the man you never knew" part. It does bring into question so many things about what was real or not with Michael. Like this video of Michael at the Soul Train awards in '93, where he is using crutches and a wheelchair. Did he really twist his ankle or was this a "Willy Wonka" type-thing that Jermaine said, when Michael was photographed in a wheelchair, months before he "died". Either way, once in front of the mike, he made sure to spread his message of love.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsokMi0WDa4[/youtube]
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"Willy Wonka" :icon_lol:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/jj0ack.gif)
I will say this, Michael was the master at playing "possum". You are never sure of the real from the fake (which is why we're all here to this day picking stuff apart).
I do think he had a dependency on pain meds....whether it was an "addiction" or not, we may never know. :icon_e_confused:
But clearly there were doctors who enabled him and others who may have tried to help him IMO :icon_neutral:
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Interesting that the first image of somebody having an appointment with a physician popping into our minds is that this person is ill, needs and gets a treatment and a prescription for drugs to purchase at a pharmacy.
What else could happen at such an occasion?
A consultation accompanying another person (they could also meet there).
A business meeting (medical representatives do that for living).
A private meeting (they could be friends).
The person getting a private lecture in medicine.
The person giving a lecture to the physician (who is only a human being in a white outfit and may be wanting to get advice in another area than medicine).
Sneeking into the entry of the house and going elsewhere (medical offices usually have business neighbour suites).
Dr. Arnold Klein's office e.g. happened to have its address just across Denis Bloch Fine Art - who happens to have a Google map streetview inside of his gallery. Guess what's popping up: paintings of MJ and Dame Elizabeth. Vive la manipulation.
9615 Brighton Way• Suite M-110 • Beverly Hills • California • 90210 • Ph: 1.310.275.5136
http://www.drarnoldklein.com/ (http://www.drarnoldklein.com/)
Check it out on Google maps.
Btw, the red brick building where NPG took the images is the surgery clinic left of the white building in which Klein's office should be. Separate buildings with a street to cross.
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Michael Jackson’s eldest son Prince was reportedly “stunned” as he watched doctors battle to save his father’s life 2 votes I Like It Email Facebook Share
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Michael Jackson’s eldest son Prince was reportedly “stunned” as he watched doctors battle to save his father’s life.
The 12-year-old lad was reportedly stood nearby when the family’s personal doctor frantically tried to save the star, according to the family’s biographer Stacy Brown.
He said: “The horror of it all is Prince thought his dad was just being his dad and clowning, but it was real and he watched as they worked on him. Prince was stunned – in a trance – just watching.
“There was no movement, just looking around and not really processing what was really happening.”
A family insider added: “The three children had been taken to another room by their nannies but they thought their dad was just fooling around.
“He often played dead and would then jump up and surprise them, so they thought he was just having a bit of fun. But when they saw the emergency trucks arrive, that really shook them.
“The kids were terrified and started crying and howling for their dad.”
It is claimed the children were with their grandmother Katherine, 79, in a hospital waiting room when they were later told he had died.
Michael’s manager Frank DiLeo said it was the “single most painful moment” of his life telling the children he had died.
Source: Splash News http://www.michaeljackson.com/ca/node/371632
Andrea, a few pages back I had posted this about MJ's broken ankle perhaps fake, again with Stacey Brown (who has hinted MJ was guilty of allegations in past so not a good source but...).
http://faac.us/adf/messages/150056/157979.html?1191565308
Some of my favorite places MJ could have been 'innocently acting' :ghsdf: :icon_twisted:, is in the interview with Barbara Walters, when she asks him when he heard the news about Princess Diana's death. He says, "I woke up (as if on propofol), and the doctor told me the news, and I fell back down in grief, and I started to cry." :icon_razz:
On these two occasions MJ was supposedly difficult to wake up: Just before his O2 announcement, Randy Phillips said he was "screaming and shouting" at MJ to wake up from his drugged state. Just before the concert in New York on Sept. 10, 2001, Frank Cascio said he had to shout at MJ to wake up from his drugged state. All of those occasions and many more, could easily have been staged by MJ, without anyone, Randy or Frank being aware he was playin'. These go so nicely with the slurred MJ talk ending with "I am asleep" :icon_lol:, taped by Murray, as well as many taped phone convos where MJ seemed drugged, paranoid, and out of it. It all leads us down the slippery slope of what was real and what not in MJ's life, "The greatest show on earth", kicked off by the Pepsi fire, to the day midway from his birth to 'death'. Will the greatest "Fake informer" please stand up and take a bow!
:michael_jackson-1135:
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It's a great way to have some fun on someone when you're faking your "sleeping mode"... the other one can't really be angry with you, cause "you're only sleeping" + you yourself can escape the world you don't want to interact at that moment. Suffering from insomnia is helpful either... just saying...
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Everlastinglove_MJ, thanks for the video of Dr. Treacy, nice man. He talked of how in the 7 to 8 months MJ stayed in Ireland that he never saw him on drugs, and he never gave him any prescription of drugs. He said MJ went under a couple of times with propofol but with an anesthesist present. He said MJ read some of his large medical books and knew quite a bit in the field, was always asking questions to learn. He said he was very intelligent, and would never do anything to harm himself. He said he did have trouble with insomnia.
Another video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6xL7zvkwdHk&NR=1[/youtube]
You know, I think MJ had to have some experience himself with various drugs (probably very minimal) to help him carry out the hoax, so that it was believable with various witnesses telling what they knew, and so that he would be able to get various details correct. But it was NEVER to the extent that the official story has given. Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant? :icon_lol:
Wasn't it Latoya who said MJ had enough propofol in him to kill a horse or elephant?
:D
Yes, I think you mean from Latoya's book: http://www.popeater.com/2011/06/29/la-toya-jackson-michael-was-murdered-starting-over/
"The coroner said there was nothing in him except for the propofol which was pumped in his body and it was enough to kill an elephant."
I certainly believe that it took quite some time and medical books etc. to prepare the hoax in every detail, Michael could do that. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Michael would be a medical specialist by now :icon_e_ugeek: and/or a legal specialist :judge-smiley:
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Interesting that the first image of somebody having an appointment with a physician popping into our minds is that this person is ill, needs and gets a treatment and a prescription for drugs to purchase at a pharmacy.
What else could happen at such an occasion?
A consultation accompanying another person (they could also meet there).
A business meeting (medical representatives do that for living).
A private meeting (they could be friends).
The person getting a private lecture in medicine.
The person giving a lecture to the physician (who is only a human being in a white outfit and may be wanting to get advice in another area than medicine).
Sneeking into the entry of the house and going elsewhere (medical offices usually have business neighbour suites).
Dr. Arnold Klein's office e.g. happened to have its address just across Denis Bloch Fine Art - who happens to have a Google map streetview inside of his gallery. Guess what's popping up: paintings of MJ and Dame Elizabeth. Vive la manipulation.
9615 Brighton Way• Suite M-110 • Beverly Hills • California • 90210 • Ph: 1.310.275.5136
http://www.drarnoldklein.com/ (http://www.drarnoldklein.com/)
Check it out on Google maps.
Btw, the red brick building where NPG took the images is the surgery clinic left of the white building in which Klein's office should be. Separate buildings with a street to cross.
I spent some time looking around there. I suppose all the buildings would have underground connections as well, not for the public.
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so what does one suppose he went under for a couple of times in a 7 or 8 month period, provided he was healthy guy with no major medical issues? :icon_e_confused: