Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Contradictions and all stuff that doesn't add up => Topic started by: MJ_TheKingOfPop on January 01, 2013, 04:30:18 PM
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I am tired of these false dates.
July 13, 2012
December 21, 2012
December 25, 2012
January 1, 2013
Now some people say its in October, 2013.
Are you serious?! I am not trying to be selfish, but after every BAM date which has turned out to be false, my belief in his return has gone down, and there is very little left of it now.
Why give false hope if these dates will be false anyways. I have already lost faith in TS and all the stuff he said.
Anyways, this thread is not about how I have lost all my faith, but I just want to say that my belief MJ's return is just about gone.
This thread is only to call out all those who have set these dates on which we believe and at the end, nothing happens. The biggest one is TS, who I believed and trusted. I guess if this hoax conspiracy has taught me anything, its to never trust anyone...
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That's probably not a lesson wasted.
TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.
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Sorry to hear that you've let go, TS failed, but it has to do with the faith of your own heart, faith in MJ.
if that is what you mean :icon_question:
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sometimes you can't trust an anonymous source, i never trusted TS...Im not surprised mj didn't bam like TS said he would by the first of this year. He's officially fake in my book. I know mj is alive, and he will comeback when hes ready!
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When you first "discovered " this website , did you know that someone with the nickname of TS/Front existed back then ? In such dark moments , I tend to remind myself of the reasons why I believed in the first place . You know that it wasn't TS ( whoever he is ) who brought you here , it was your faith , you rationality , your own belief that something was fishy about Michael's "death" .
We often forget that the hoax isn't about us losing or having hope in it . It is about the things we're willing to sacrifice when all of our doubts turn out to be "factual" ..
This thread is only to call out all those who have set these dates on which we believe and at the end, nothing happens. The biggest one is TS, who I believed and trusted. I guess if this hoax conspiracy has taught me anything, its to never trust anyone...
This reminds of an interview wherein Michael about the lessons he learned the hard way , and he answered "Not to trust anybody "
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i92rA5OsgaY[/youtube]
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It's a good advice not to trust anybody, but in some circumstances some people just seem very trustworthy.
What can we lose than self-respect here?
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I don't know you all but I can't trust anyone anymore and when I say anyone I am including family tweets/TS/Front/MJ's FB and so on.... I am really done too.
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TS failed
Are you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?
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Lets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....
I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.
TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.
Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"
The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."
We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...
All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you.
:bearhug:
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Lets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....
I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.
TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.
Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"
The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."
We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...
All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you.
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Don't be sorry for being positive that's a great virtue, thank you for your support and for being positive in dark moments. :bearhug:
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Lets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....
I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.
TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.
Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"
The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."
We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...
All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you.
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Exactly ... my thoughts too.
Is this a day of simmering? :suspect: idk just wait and see...yes true "TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with."
I'm guilty of trying to figure out number patterns and significant dates by using TS and Front's posts ....
There are just too many coincidences.
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Maybe we will get a TS message today and just in time. We'll see.
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We have NO reason to doubt the BAM until in California it's still January the 1st.
TS was clear: hoax-plan is based on California time zone!
And even if, tomorrow comes and still no BAM, I think we should at least listen to what TS will have to say before condemning him. We owe this to him! For all the good things he has taught this all these years and for all the valid information he has given us all this time (which nobody was yet able to debunk ---> Numerology anyone?)
Put in balance: TS info all 3 years --VS-- TS wrong BAM date
If no BAM until midnight (California!), then my first thought would be that something must have happened and that there's gotta be a good explanation to it! I wouldn't become suspicious of TS only if what he has to say is not valid/strong enough for me to continue to have faith in this. Let's just wait and see... We've got nothing to lose , remember? We are winners anyway!
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That's probably not a lesson wasted.
TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.
Hi Bec,
Is TS a troll? He seems a very educated man, but what I have read up to now nothing came true. Is he really an informant> So if he is a troll is front a troll too? Wow all these questions that goes through my mind. No doubt in my mind Mj is dead, I know deep down in my soul he is alive. I wonder if he will come back at all. If someone fakes his death it's to escape from this chaotic world not to come back into it. I would like to hear more of your imput Bec. Thank you
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That's probably not a lesson wasted.
TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.
Hi Bec,
Is TS a troll? He seems a very educated man, but what I have read up to now nothing came true. Is he really an informant> So if he is a troll is front a troll too? Wow all these questions that goes through my mind. No doubt in my mind Mj is dead, I know deep down in my soul he is alive. I wonder if he will come back at all. If someone fakes his death it's to escape from this chaotic world not to come back into it. I would like to hear more of your imput Bec. Thank you
With all due respect heart of Gold, MJ didn't fake his death to "escape the chaotic world"
TS is an educated man, you are right. I am keen to see what he comes back with. Guess we all need to exercise patience and allow for TIME...
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That's probably not a lesson wasted.
TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.
Hi Bec,
Is TS a troll? He seems a very educated man, but what I have read up to now nothing came true. Is he really an informant> So if he is a troll is front a troll too? Wow all these questions that goes through my mind. No doubt in my mind Mj is dead, I know deep down in my soul he is alive. I wonder if he will come back at all. If someone fakes his death it's to escape from this chaotic world not to come back into it. I would like to hear more of your imput Bec. Thank you
with all due respect heart of Gold, MJ didn't fake his death to "escape the chaotic world"
First of all I asked this question to Bec, secondly tell me what did he escape from his family? The Illuminati isn't part of this chaotic world? NWO is not part of this chaotic world? so tell me why did MJ faked his death?
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complications
It certainly seems that way.... :icon_cool:
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Heart of gold, If you notice and reread my comment, I didnt answer the questions you asked bec or make comment for her. I actually commented on the part where you said "MJ escaped this chaotic world". It's a public forum. You posted, I commented. It's what we do and it's not out of order.
It's just that that pariuclar line doesn't make sense, with the whole "needing to escape life is so chaotic and then lets give clues that I am really alive and going to comeback" Kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think.
Wish ppl werent so antsy these days... I'm over it.
Moving on, I dont understand what you mean here, I'm sorry.
secondly tell me what did he escape from his family?
It's up to us all as individuals to work out and come to our own belief of WHY, and even when that happens, we may be wrong. I certainly dont believe he was escaping a chaotic life, nor the illuminati, EOW...
This is the greatest show on earth - in history - JMO! :icon_e_smile:
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Thought as much. We need patience ppl.
Thanks for posting Jam :)
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Be tired and be done...or remain hopeful and continue with your beliefs...that's the sheer beauty of our individual free will after all isn't it? I still firmly believe that it boils down to being able to be strong in ones faith that what we have uncovered/discovered/researched is on solid facts and foundations...versus those who have become obsessed with other peoples opinions of them, their own personal goals or desires and the inability to compartmentalize life. It's always made me sad to read posts that reflect a writers total immersion into hoaxland to the apparent detriment of things and relationships going on in their real lives. While I'm pretty sure that Michael wants and needs the support of people who genuinely care about him...I doubt that he wished for others to lose themselves in the process. That doesn't seem to be very representative of his MO as I've learned about him over these last years.
I've been a "fan" since the beginning given that we're the same age but I've taken the time (as some of you have no doubt) to learn more about the person he's always been through all those years that I was too busy living my life and raising my children to pay attention to his life. Needless to say that a lot of what I discovered broke my heart for him...the lengths that people went to to hurt him...the people that he trusted openly turning on him...and still through all of that hatred he continued to try and show patience and compassion for humanity. That being said...patience and compassion is what I'm giving him in return...he deserves it. It's simply not possible for any of us to know the full extent of the activities happening behind the curtain and whether or not the best laid plans may sometimes require an emergency adjustment. Whatever is to be WILL be...and it will be WHEN it's supposed to happen regardless of who whispers dates or makes predictions. My faith remains undaunted but every person here has to make their own choice and peace with where we are now.
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TS failed
Are you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?
What I meant is that TS has failed to date BAM (ok still have time, but because at the last moment?), And of course I am ready and waiting, that TS, tell us what happened, speaks a sad heart but firm in what he feels, that all is not lost. MJ even less. with love
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TS failed
Are you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?
What I meant is that TS has failed to date BAM (ok still have time, but because at the last moment?), And of course I am ready and waiting, that TS, tell us what happened, speaks a sad heart but firm in what he feels, that all is not lost. MJ even less. with love
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I get what you mean. Its kinda exciting huh? I am anticipating TS next post, more than any of the others. I am so keen to hear what he has to say. Not in terms of "he owes us answers", but more, "so where to next - what are we looking at next in this game"
My bet is CM as per the new TIAI redirect.
Excited!!!! :penguin: :penguin: :penguin:
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In my opinion? As a public service announcement. As a demonstration for freedom. As a live stage art production. As an illusion. As an unprecedented event. As a dose of tough love. And as a means to enact revenge. A few other reasons too.
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Be tired and be done...or remain hopeful and continue with your beliefs...that's the sheer beauty of our individual free will after all isn't it?
+1
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TS failed
Are you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?
What I meant is that TS has failed to date BAM (ok still have time, but because at the last moment?), And of course I am ready and waiting, that TS, tell us what happened, speaks a sad heart but firm in what he feels, that all is not lost. MJ even less. with love
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I get what you mean. Its kinda exciting huh? I am antipipating TS next post, more than any of the others. I am so keen to hear what he has to say. Not in terms of "he owes us answers", but more, "so where to next - what are we looking at next in this game"
My bet is CM as per the new TIAI redirect.
Excited!!!! :penguin: :penguin: :penguin:
If I also hope the following redirect, but a little "we must answer" do not you think? :)
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For sure! I am still keen to hear justification / on no bam 31.12.12 if there is one, but even more interested in where to next. So yes a little of column a and a little of coulmn b :icon_e_biggrin:
But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.
So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.
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Thanks Sim, there is still time, but, Why, at the last moment? OMG! TS please, we're at the limit, is not it a good time now? :LolLolLolLol:
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oh heck i have been tired of it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now! still can't shake it though. somethin keeps me stuck here. i think it is murray .can not explain it.
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oh heck i have been tired of it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now! still can't shake it though. somethin keeps me stuck here. i think it is murray .can not explain it.
It's 'cause you Rockkk! :icon_e_wink: :bearhug:
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I'm kinda now reading TS not so literally... This is now the message I hear from TS's posts in the past re: both bam date and reasons for hoax
"If MJ doesn't bam before 31.12.12, then consider me a fake informer - not limited to the date but all the other FAKE INFORMATION posts and arguments that I made including but not limited what / who went in ambulance / DWD / FBI / etc etc"
I wonder if any of the arguments / levels were only supposed to be taken at face value and not literally, just like bam date. It's almost as if he said, "when MJ doesnt bam on 31.12.12 you will know that much of what I posted was fake"
It matches perfectly well with his admonition a) not to trust him b) not to trust hoax and c) devils advocate.
I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
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Thought as much. We need patience ppl.
Thanks for posting Jam :)
Interesting... could mean anything, patience for sure. As I was saying about too many coincidences.
Not surprised if there's complications. hmmmmm :judge-smiley: :ghsdf:
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Jowayria,
This reminds of an interview wherein Michael about the lessons he learned the hard way , and he answered "Not to trust anybody "
So true! I love that interview of MJ! I really believe he is mentoring us through TS/Front.
I am a different person than I was in June 09 because of him, and my life has forever changed, for the better.
Love4Michael
Needless to say that a lot of what I discovered broke my heart for him...the lengths that people went to to hurt him...the people that he trusted openly turning on him...and still through all of that hatred he continued to try and show patience and compassion for humanity. That being said...patience and compassion is what I'm giving him in return...he deserves it. It's simply not possible for any of us to know the full extent of the activities happening behind the curtain and whether or not the best laid plans may sometimes require an emergency adjustment.
Very true!
Marumjj, I’m glad you kept your faith, you had me worried for a sec!
Sweetsunset, hang in there!
Aussie and Sim, love you, especially for your strong faith and determination!
Bec
As a dose of tough love.
Agreed. I think MJ is shaping us through what has happened-- toughening us up, all for love. Were we too presumptuous, too giddy before?
Aussie
can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
Yep! A twist in the story, start of a new chapter, a cliff hanger... but we know the ending is going to be good! MJ is the author!
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a part of TIi that has been replaying in my head all morning
ORTEGA: Guys, that's the cue. I'm sorry, are we misunderstanding something here?
BEARDEN: No, we're not misunderstanding. We're sizzling.
BEARDEN: He's sizzling. I'm sizzling.
Michael: He's waiting for my point, it's coming.
ORTEGA: Oh, I thought... Michael, I was telling them to start when you turn toward the audience. Do you wanna...?
Michael: Oh, no, I wanna turn first, face the audience with nothing.
ORTEGA: Okay.
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I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
For the record, if I'm sad and decide to leave it won't be because MJ didn't bam by the end of 2012, it won't be because I see TS and/or Front as fakes or trolls, it won't be because I suddenly think MJ won't bam at all or that he's dead, it won't be because I'm weak and have lost faith and hope, it won't be because I am not one of the strong ones who will be here to the end - no, if I go it'll be because my life and health needs attention and I've made the tough realisation that my hoax life has been an avoidance tactic. I simply can't sit here for the next X number of weeks/months/years submerged in all things hoax, while my real life collapses around me. And, at the moment, I don't know if a watered-down, less 'submerged' version of hoax involvement is possible, for me at least!
So Aussie, and others (not singling you out Aussie, just quoting you as yours is the post I just read) who are amazed at those expressing a desire to leave, consider this: maybe there's strength in that desire; maybe the weakness, the easy option, for some (i.e. for me), is in staying for more of the same ad infinitum. We don't know what other factors in people's lives are contributing to their actions.
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I'm kinda now reading TS not so literally... This is now the message I hear from TS's posts in the past re: both bam date and reasons for hoax
"If MJ doesn't bam before 31.12.12, then consider me a fake informer - not limited to the date but all the other FAKE INFORMATION posts and arguments that I made including but not limited what / who went in ambulance / DWD / FBI / etc etc"
I wonder if any of the arguments / levels were only supposed to be taken at face value and not literally, just like bam date. It's almost as if he said, "when MJ doesnt bam on 31.12.12 you will know that much of what I posted was fake"
It matches perfectly well with his admonition a) not to trust him b) not to trust hoax and c) devils advocate.
I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
If TS is fake regarding all the updates, why's and how's of hoax, and the redirects, doesn't that leave us nowhere?
just a thought...
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Sometimes i think the same and had enough...but then i took a break....and came back. It's such a interesting journey and i agree with MJonmind.....i had learned so much and the hoax changed my way in a positive way.
All the Bam dates makes me :Pulling_hair:.....
I don't trust anybody, so i have no reason to trust Front or TS or anybody else...i read and wait....it's a kind of entertainment.
If or when Michael makes a Bam ....there are so much actuality changíngs in the world and the family and the partners...i think that you can't make a exact 4 year plan....you can't reherse the BAM and we all know....Michael was often a little bit late... ;D
He will Bam or not, we will see !
Love to everybody :bearhug:
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One of my few posts but felt the need to add my little bit.
I have followed TS and Front with "interest" rather than belief and enjoyed most of what they have had to say. I'm not religious so all posts that followed that route didn't really mean a great deal to me, nor did I read them fully but I do appreciate people have their beliefs and I fully respect that. If I had to say I have a belief in anything I would say it is love and a lot of the times when people talk about God, Jesus etc. I substitute the name for the word love, and more times than not it fits perfectly - for me anyway :icon_e_smile:
I truly don't know whether I believe Michael is dead or alive (sorry :icon_e_sad: ) but I have been here pretty much from the beginning (on the old forum first) and something or someone led me here. There were so many strange things about THAT day which made me doubt it had really happened the way described, or at all. These days I do wonder if I am making things fit (hoax clues) simply because I would like to believe them. Will we ever really know what happened, what the truth is and whether or not he really is with us? I don't know but I will continue to watch because I find it fascinating and the way you guys put your brains to use simply blows me away - amazing :smiley_abuv:
Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me. My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June. I moved away from the UK in 2008 so it was not as easy to be with her but I did go back and forth and spent alot of time with her before she passed. I have a huge cloud over me though because I left her, on her own, in that horrible hospital bed, 4 days before she died. She was insistent that I came "home" because "your husband needs you" and it was the start of our busiest time of the year. I will never, ever, ever forget the look on her face as I walked away and turned back about 4 times to see her watching me leave and waving with a smile, despite how ill she was. She was amazing to the end but how I wish I had stayed with her. My husband keeps telling me that she wouldn't have wanted anyone watching her fade away but I wish I had gone with my gut instinct and not left her on her own.
The only consolation I have about that day is that my youngest daughter went to visit her and seeing how ill she was, told my mum "it's time you went to Granddad, he has been without you for a long time now. Sleep tight Grandma, I love you loads". Half an hour after she left, my mum died and I do wonder if she was just waiting for someone to tell her she could let go. She was 86 so had had a good life but it doesn't make it any easier does it :icon_e_sad:
My youngest daughter (same one) had a dreadful start to the year with things I won't go into here but has come through it and announced just after my mum died that her and her long-term partner were expecting a baby next year. I was lucky enough to be back in the UK when she went for her first scan and went with her and guess what - TWINS :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: I think my mum may well be looking down on us and has sent us all something very positive to focus on - she would hate us all being so unhappy.
I'm so sorry for this long, drawn out post - I was only going to say a few bits and pieces :icon_redface:
Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy. Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love. Cherish them whilst they/you are here.
Much love to all and a Very Happy New Year :beerchug:
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I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
So Aussie, and others (not singling you out Aussie, just quoting you as yours is the post I just read) who are amazed at those expressing a desire to leave, consider this: maybe there's strength in that desire; maybe the weakness, the easy option, for some (i.e. for me), is in staying for more of the same ad infinitum. We don't know what other factors in people's lives are contributing to their actions.
I know ur not singling me out :icon_e_smile: And get what you're saying. I have had lengths of time away including recently and it's had nothing to do with MJ, bam or TS. I have had to at times drop hoaxing because I believe in family first, always! :icon_e_wink:
I was making reference to those who are wanting to leave because they feel TS is a fraud. I'd just hate to see someone leave prematurely when they could be so close and after all this time they've been here.
I also understand that some feel they need to leave because hoaxing is like a vortex that sucks time and energy away from them and may be something draining for them.
I'm enjoying it. Coming here is energising and stimulating. Best 17 months of my life! But then again I've not been here for three yrs like others. Maybe if I were here for that long I'd have assess How long i was prepared to give to hoaxing. Absolutely take my hat off to the long timers!
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Lets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....
I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.
TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.
Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"
The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."
We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...
All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you.
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Don't be sorry for being positive that's a great virtue, thank you for your support and for being positive in dark moments. :bearhug:
We have to be real and face reality. TS could be anyone of us on this forum....And yes there unfortunatley are people out there that have nothing better to do than play an emotional rollercoaster with peoples feelings, just for their own selfish gratification and needs...its about power...
JUST LOSE THE IDEA OF A BAM DATE and you should be fine. There will probably never be a BAM, but maybe Michael just wants you all to know that he is ok now.....LET GO and LET GOD.
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Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me. My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June.
Soosie, so sorry for your loss. Hope 2013 brings you better times.
Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy. Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love. Cherish them whilst they/you are here.
Totally get what you are saying. I too took time off after losing ppl this year. Made me realise we need to embrace the moments with ones I love and be balanced hoaxing, regardless of how much I love MJ or this grand experience.
Well wishes and sincere sympathies to you Soosie. :bearhug:
@ thriller4ever. I guess one could say it kind of now leaves us nowhere. But jmo 'nowhere' isn't really anything new. TS stated many a time he will validate false theories. So we were always at this same place of nowhere.
And I don't think all was fake INFORMation. Just parts. What exactly, I'm unsure. But I'm happy to stick around :icon_e_smile:
I have this growing gut feeling that no one in all this gets ALL of the answers. (Gen pub. Hoaxers. Even MJ close friends, included)
And I've said it before but will mention again, I often wonder if the purpose of levels / signs as well as fronts tidbits, were designed to create more questions rather than give answers. Perhaps that's the point to create more self fuelled rumours / tangents to the story if you will. Goes hand in hand with how the family played it out post 25.06.09. All of those varying accounts, interviews, conflicting pieces of information put out by the family.
Perhaps the point is more confusion, less clarity - which is signature MJ style. (Even if TS never was / is MJ could be from his camp playing according to classic MJ ethos - create uncertainty, hold all the cards!)
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a part of TIi that has been replaying in my head all morning
ORTEGA: Guys, that's the cue. I'm sorry, are we misunderstanding something here?
BEARDEN: No, we're not misunderstanding. We're sizzling.
BEARDEN: He's sizzling. I'm sizzling.
Michael: He's waiting for my point, it's coming.
ORTEGA: Oh, I thought... Michael, I was telling them to start when you turn toward the audience. Do you wanna...?
Michael: Oh, no, I wanna turn first, face the audience with nothing.
ORTEGA: Okay.
Love it. Thanks Leilani, u lil beacon of shining light :icon_e_wink:
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One of my few posts but felt the need to add my little bit.
I have followed TS and Front with "interest" rather than belief and enjoyed most of what they have had to say. I'm not religious so all posts that followed that route didn't really mean a great deal to me, nor did I read them fully but I do appreciate people have their beliefs and I fully respect that. If I had to say I have a belief in anything I would say it is love and a lot of the times when people talk about God, Jesus etc. I substitute the name for the word love, and more times than not it fits perfectly - for me anyway :icon_e_smile:
I truly don't know whether I believe Michael is dead or alive (sorry :icon_e_sad: ) but I have been here pretty much from the beginning (on the old forum first) and something or someone led me here. There were so many strange things about THAT day which made me doubt it had really happened the way described, or at all. These days I do wonder if I am making things fit (hoax clues) simply because I would like to believe them. Will we ever really know what happened, what the truth is and whether or not he really is with us? I don't know but I will continue to watch because I find it fascinating and the way you guys put your brains to use simply blows me away - amazing :smiley_abuv:
Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me. My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June. I moved away from the UK in 2008 so it was not as easy to be with her but I did go back and forth and spent alot of time with her before she passed. I have a huge cloud over me though because I left her, on her own, in that horrible hospital bed, 4 days before she died. She was insistent that I came "home" because "your husband needs you" and it was the start of our busiest time of the year. I will never, ever, ever forget the look on her face as I walked away and turned back about 4 times to see her watching me leave and waving with a smile, despite how ill she was. She was amazing to the end but how I wish I had stayed with her. My husband keeps telling me that she wouldn't have wanted anyone watching her fade away but I wish I had gone with my gut instinct and not left her on her own.
The only consolation I have about that day is that my youngest daughter went to visit her and seeing how ill she was, told my mum "it's time you went to Granddad, he has been without you for a long time now. Sleep tight Grandma, I love you loads". Half an hour after she left, my mum died and I do wonder if she was just waiting for someone to tell her she could let go. She was 86 so had had a good life but it doesn't make it any easier does it :icon_e_sad:
My youngest daughter (same one) had a dreadful start to the year with things I won't go into here but has come through it and announced just after my mum died that her and her long-term partner were expecting a baby next year. I was lucky enough to be back in the UK when she went for her first scan and went with her and guess what - TWINS :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: I think my mum may well be looking down on us and has sent us all something very positive to focus on - she would hate us all being so unhappy.
I'm so sorry for this long, drawn out post - I was only going to say a few bits and pieces :icon_redface:
Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy. Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love. Cherish them whilst they/you are here.
Much love to all and a Very Happy New Year :beerchug:
Woosie Soosie hello, you've moved me to tears, I understand what you say, I am sorry that your mother is gone, but you see, has received double the love to come, these babies will give you plenty to do, congratulations. I'm glad your heart, feel that MJ is happy and healthy. Thanks for sharing a bit of your life, I wish all the love and light to you, a hug. maru
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For the record, if I'm sad and decide to leave it won't be because MJ didn't bam by the end of 2012, it won't be because I see TS and/or Front as fakes or trolls, it won't be because I suddenly think MJ won't bam at all or that he's dead, it won't be because I'm weak and have lost faith and hope, it won't be because I am not one of the strong ones who will be here to the end - no, if I go it'll be because my life and health needs attention and I've made the tough realisation that my hoax life has been an avoidance tactic. I simply can't sit here for the next X number of weeks/months/years submerged in all things hoax, while my real life collapses around me. And, at the moment, I don't know if a watered-down, less 'submerged' version of hoax involvement is possible, for me at least!
So Aussie, and others (not singling you out Aussie, just quoting you as yours is the post I just read) who are amazed at those expressing a desire to leave, consider this: maybe there's strength in that desire; maybe the weakness, the easy option, for some (i.e. for me), is in staying for more of the same ad infinitum. We don't know what other factors in people's lives are contributing to their actions.
I hear ya… I will miss you if you go, and I do hope you'll come back to visit occasionally.
2good2btrue, thank you for all you've contributed, but I do understand your position and thinking and will miss you.
Soosie Woosie, I was also moved to tears with your beautiful personal post! I’m so sad you lost your Mom, and glad you have grand-twins on the way! Much love to you as well!
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I can say only one thing: I never tire of waiting . I firmly believe in Michael,in the clues that he always sends....is not easy to make the BAM as it was not easy to make June 25....so ,the only thing we can do now is wait with all our L.O.V.E. :bearhug: ...the surprises do not miss !!!! :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:
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One of my few posts but felt the need to add my little bit.
I have followed TS and Front with "interest" rather than belief and enjoyed most of what they have had to say. I'm not religious so all posts that followed that route didn't really mean a great deal to me, nor did I read them fully but I do appreciate people have their beliefs and I fully respect that. If I had to say I have a belief in anything I would say it is love and a lot of the times when people talk about God, Jesus etc. I substitute the name for the word love, and more times than not it fits perfectly - for me anyway :icon_e_smile:
I truly don't know whether I believe Michael is dead or alive (sorry :icon_e_sad: ) but I have been here pretty much from the beginning (on the old forum first) and something or someone led me here. There were so many strange things about THAT day which made me doubt it had really happened the way described, or at all. These days I do wonder if I am making things fit (hoax clues) simply because I would like to believe them. Will we ever really know what happened, what the truth is and whether or not he really is with us? I don't know but I will continue to watch because I find it fascinating and the way you guys put your brains to use simply blows me away - amazing :smiley_abuv:
Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me. My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June. I moved away from the UK in 2008 so it was not as easy to be with her but I did go back and forth and spent alot of time with her before she passed. I have a huge cloud over me though because I left her, on her own, in that horrible hospital bed, 4 days before she died. She was insistent that I came "home" because "your husband needs you" and it was the start of our busiest time of the year. I will never, ever, ever forget the look on her face as I walked away and turned back about 4 times to see her watching me leave and waving with a smile, despite how ill she was. She was amazing to the end but how I wish I had stayed with her. My husband keeps telling me that she wouldn't have wanted anyone watching her fade away but I wish I had gone with my gut instinct and not left her on her own.
The only consolation I have about that day is that my youngest daughter went to visit her and seeing how ill she was, told my mum "it's time you went to Granddad, he has been without you for a long time now. Sleep tight Grandma, I love you loads". Half an hour after she left, my mum died and I do wonder if she was just waiting for someone to tell her she could let go. She was 86 so had had a good life but it doesn't make it any easier does it :icon_e_sad:
My youngest daughter (same one) had a dreadful start to the year with things I won't go into here but has come through it and announced just after my mum died that her and her long-term partner were expecting a baby next year. I was lucky enough to be back in the UK when she went for her first scan and went with her and guess what - TWINS :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: I think my mum may well be looking down on us and has sent us all something very positive to focus on - she would hate us all being so unhappy.
I'm so sorry for this long, drawn out post - I was only going to say a few bits and pieces :icon_redface:
Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy. Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love. Cherish them whilst they/you are here.
Much love to all and a Very Happy New Year :beerchug:
Dearest Sue...first let me give you a great big :bearhug: !
Your post brought tears to my eyes, but please know that your mom may be gone "physically", but she is still watching over you, and she will be with you all to share in those "special" moments, and she will be there when your daughter gives birth!! I know that some may have trouble believing that spirit is all around us, but it is true!!
Please don't feel guilty for not being there when your mom passed, I am sure that she doesn't want you to EVER, EVER, feel guilty for that, so please, let go of any guilt you may feel, as you have absolutely no reason to feel that way!
never be sorry for sharing your feelings with us, as it is a Blessing, not a burden!! Loss is always hard, but you have a lot to look forward to with the birth of your grandbabies! If you ever need to talk, please feel free to PM me ok?
I send you so much LOVE and many Blessings, and I will keep you and your family in my Prayers! Thank you for sharing a piece of your heart with us!!
Happy New Year to you dear sister!!
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Be tired and be done...or remain hopeful and continue with your beliefs...that's the sheer beauty of our individual free will after all isn't it? I still firmly believe that it boils down to being able to be strong in ones faith that what we have uncovered/discovered/researched is on solid facts and foundations...versus those who have become obsessed with other peoples opinions of them, their own personal goals or desires and the inability to compartmentalize life. It's always made me sad to read posts that reflect a writers total immersion into hoaxland to the apparent detriment of things and relationships going on in their real lives. While I'm pretty sure that Michael wants and needs the support of people who genuinely care about him...I doubt that he wished for others to lose themselves in the process. That doesn't seem to be very representative of his MO as I've learned about him over these last years.
I've been a "fan" since the beginning given that we're the same age but I've taken the time (as some of you have no doubt) to learn more about the person he's always been through all those years that I was too busy living my life and raising my children to pay attention to his life. Needless to say that a lot of what I discovered broke my heart for him...the lengths that people went to to hurt him...the people that he trusted openly turning on him...and still through all of that hatred he continued to try and show patience and compassion for humanity. That being said...patience and compassion is what I'm giving him in return...he deserves it. It's simply not possible for any of us to know the full extent of the activities happening behind the curtain and whether or not the best laid plans may sometimes require an emergency adjustment. Whatever is to be WILL be...and it will be WHEN it's supposed to happen regardless of who whispers dates or makes predictions. My faith remains undaunted but every person here has to make their own choice and peace with where we are now.
+1 ain't that the truth!!
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Wow - thank you all so much for your lovely, kind words. I managed to stay fairly dry-eyed when I wrote my post but not after reading your so thoughtful and warm words. Thank you :bearhug:
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And we meant every word - Big hugs!
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@Sue - I am sorry for your loss. I understand real life needs you to be there.
The same happens to many of us.
I also am not sure about MJ being dead or alive, even if everything seems to point to a hoax. We love him so much and this is not going to change. and that is important.
I hope some day we'll have reasons to be happy for him, to know that he's OK, no matter where he is.
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But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.
So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.
Hi Aussie girl ! :)
I'm not sure I'm following you, you mean the answer is that he's a fake informer ?
What if TS won't come back to post new redirects, and the no-bam was his way out of this; maybe he thinks that he's done his part and there's nothing more for us to learn ? (I know that he promised to finish level 7). Just thinking out loud.
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He did finish Level 7. It's Update 7 and Sign 7 that are still pending.
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He did finish Level 7. It's Update 7 and Sign 7 that are still pending.
I don't think he quite finished level 7:
Once that is done (level 7a), we’ll move on to level 7b; I probably won’t start a new thread, but I will post a picture in this thread of another puzzle piece put into place. Level 7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court. When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.
TS's DWD theory was presented with the assumption that there was an FBI sting and a sting court (with hoax court) was involved but some of the facts given couldn't be proven directly with the hoax - example, there were 2 unknown place-of-deaths in 2009 under the DWD program. He presented the completed puzzle picture but there were still figurative pieces missing. There didn't seem be a definitive end to level 7. But I do realize that my not believing the DWD theory doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.
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But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.
So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.
Hi Aussie girl ! :)
I'm not sure I'm following you, you mean the answer is that he's a fake informer ?
No. More that he is giving fake information. "If MJ doesnt bam before 01.01.13, know that some of what I have told you is untrue" - Meaning the theories he has endorsed, etc. Not that he himself is a fraud.
When he also quoted paris and Latoya, I think this also meant that they have been throwing out sime misinformation too. Which really none of it is new ground as a) the jacksons have been doing this since 25.05.09 and b) TS already warned not to trust him, nor the hoax and that he will go along with false theories.
I think that because there was no bam on deadline, this verified that he was going along with wrong theories, scenarios, etc.
But thats how I am reading it. Perhaps I am reading it the most palatable way for me to understand.
But I think time will reveal truth.
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TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe! :-\
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My opinion is that TS is innocent until proven guilty. We just accused him of being fake, but we should wait to see what he has to say. Has the right to reply. I know that 1 year and 4 months ago TS said that MJ will Bam until 01/01/2013, but a lot can happen in a year. I am believer and will be until the end of my life whether or not Michel bam. I know he is alive because of all the contradictions about what happened that day (and the other)
You have been here only for TS said that MJ will BAM until 01/01/2013? or learn the truth about the alleged death of Michael?
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TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe! :-\
Do we really want to believe something that is wrong? I think its a good thing he gave the date. It means some of his posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Which ones exactly, that is conundrum.
I think he is confusing us on purpose. I dont think he is here to help or guide I think he is here to create uncertainty of what real and whats not in this game.
Could be wrong, but imo its a tactic to keep is going without an expiry date. Look how many times we have rehased the same topics and yet still talk about them. (what went in the ambulance, for ex)
I wonder if he confuses us so that 'all this' can be extended until MJ actually bams...
dunno...
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TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe! :-\
Do we really want to believe something that is wrong? I think its a good thing he gave the date. It means some of his posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Which ones exactly, that is conundrum.
I think he is confusing us on purpose. I dont think he is here to help or guide I think he is here to create uncertainty of what real and whats not in this game.
Could be wrong, but imo its a tactic to keep is going without an expiry date. Look how many times we have rehased the same topics and yet still talk about them. (what went in the ambulance, for ex)
I wonder if he confuses us so that 'all this' can be extended until MJ actually bams...
dunno...
So if TS is trying to confuse us to keep us around the hoax, why did Paris and Front come up with those "COMPLICATIONS" tweet and post?
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I don't have all the answers, just being open minded.
Btw, I dont hink Paris has always and only been giving out false information. Perhaps only at times.
I also don't think TS is giving out only false information.
These are just my opinions and what I am going with as an explanation for everything. I may be wrong.
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TS was watching! I'm curious to know when will do a post :icon_question:
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Sunset, clarification: I dont think the sole purpose is to make us confused. I think that is just a by product. I think the lesson is the truth is often unknown, and yet people reach their conclusions and version of the truth and 'believe something' without sold evidence and often find it amongst lies and fake INFORMation. A running theme in MJs life. We are experiencing it here on forum. So much confusion is being created by our online friends and Jacksons, we are trying to arrive at the best version of the truth based on fake information and no proof.
It's actually kind of Ironic.
EDIT: Also, I dont think that this is the ONLY lesson. I think there are many lessons, just as there are reasons behind the online interaction, some known to us others unbeknownst
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Sunset, clarification: I dont think the sole purpose is to make us confused. I think that is just a by product. I think the lesson is the truth is often unknown, and yet people reach their conclusions and version of the truth and 'believe something' without sold evidence and often find it amongst lies and fake INFORMation. A running theme in MJs life. We are experiencing it here on forum. So much confusion is being created by our online friends and Jacksons, we are trying to arrive at the best version of the truth based on fake information and no proof.
It's actually kind of Ironic.
EDIT: Also, I dont think that this is the ONLY lesson. I think there are many lessons, just as there are reasons behind the online interaction, some known to us others unbeknownst
It could be, thanks for sharing anyway.
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TS was watching! I'm curious to know when will do a post :icon_question:
IF he would be legit and somthing might have happened , could be checking to see if anyone noticed. :-\ who the heck knows :Pulling_hair:
this brings me to thoughts of dick clarks news years rockin eve. was anyone paying attention at about 11:30? not sayin' i was or saw anything ( was at someone elses house and not really watching) , just thinking of the crystal ball, 11;30 clock ect. and that you have seen me of late bit. :Pulling_hair:
one other thing that has been eating at me about a couple of remarks made by front and ts. front about the sweater jermaine was wearing ( of the forum colors) and ts comment to mj about posting on his thread. being a fan of sarcasm i have to say i could easily see each of those as such. so is it possible that they could actually be working against each other , here in the same place , if either of them has any knowledge any more than the rest of us in the first place? sorry for my babbling on :-[
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@Sue - I am sorry for your loss. I understand real life needs you to be there.
The same happens to many of us.
I also am not sure about MJ being dead or alive, even if everything seems to point to a hoax. We love him so much and this is not going to change. and that is important.
I hope some day we'll have reasons to be happy for him, to know that he's OK, no matter where he is.
I am with you on that Gina, one day we will see, hopefully!
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Hi there !
This post made me want to answer because i had this talk with another believer few days ago. she was disappointed because she had hopes for Michael to return in this christmas//new year time.
The things is : we are almost 4 year from MJ's becoming the new lord of the ring and disappearing like Bilbo the hobbit lol (there is no clue in what i say, do not lose timing studying Lord of the ring lol) I'm just reading the book right now lol
Since this time we had A LOT of BAM's day, some were announced by people we have no idea of the true identity and no idea of the true reason they are here, being good or evil. there has been many people on this forum and in hoax world who started rumors about some special day. Sometime believer only decided to massively put their hopes on some special day like easter, christmas, june 25 etc etc just because it sounded like a light to follow, something to hang on because everything around seems dark.
We have no REAL idea what happened, why, how, if MJ will be back. All we have is made of clues that we studied and we made theories out of them and it gave strengh to our faith.
BUT you must never forget that the most powerfull thing you have is this faith !
You must ask yourself those questions
- if Michael never planned any come back, does that mean he is dead ?
- if i was given any proof that Michael is dead, would i believe them ? would i stop investigate on it and just believe them ?
- if i had no new clue, no idea about anything about MJ's life, would that mean he is dead ?
All I can say is that it is human to try to find something that would "comfort" (not sure for translation) in our belief. We all need little light sometime. But i can't assure you that the light is in you ! not in other people's words.
I'm not really on the forum anymore because i have my life to live and i cannot spend as much time as i wish on here. Also i'm fed up with pretenders, fake knowers, attention seekers... they are energy eater, they take your time, your happiness, your energy and they turn you into sheeps, waiting for some new clue to be given. You must take yourself out of this circle. I doubt Michael wanted to become a sheep guardian. He loves people and i think he loves what people do with their life, not what they plan to do with HIS life.
If you think Michael is not dead on june 25, 2009, then you are a believer and nothing will change it, even Michael not coming back. You will always be a believer and you will always keep Michael in your heart. You will KNOW, because you FEEL you know. This only must keep you up.
Michael must be somewhere outthere, whatever he's doing, whatever people might say/pretend they know about his next move. If you believe this, then your faith is safe. Never let someone put your faith down ;)
I do believe something happened and i do believe we are not told the truth. I know some people lead us on some roads, being right or wrong. exploring those roads must not keep you away from your original belief that MJ is alive.
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:th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
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(i didn't expect such answer, i was lmao when i came back here lol)
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I am tired of the whining. A lock.