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Title: TIAI December 27
Post by: GodhaschosenMJ on December 27, 2012, 02:40:23 AM
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23520.msg434050.html#msg434050 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23520.msg434050.html#msg434050)

These are some interesting tweets!!
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: jono on December 27, 2012, 03:15:50 AM
So what do we make of this?... Murray has to come forth with some "exceptional, new evidences" within 15 days from the 21st?

 :animal0017:      :judge-smiley:

I guess BAM is in the making...  :D
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: NataliaC on December 27, 2012, 03:20:46 AM
Interesting tweets, indeed. Does this mean that BAM is somehow related with Conrad Murray?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: hopi on December 27, 2012, 03:26:34 AM
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Interesting tweets, indeed. Does this mean that BAM is somehow related with Conrad Murray?

For sure, cause nobody should be in jail for something he didn't do...
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 27, 2012, 03:31:14 AM
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December 20 Tweet: “#MichaelJackson Given that Murray’s Notice of Appeal was filed over a year ago, its unusual for the court not to know his appeal grounds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Appeal Brief is the written document that sets out the grounds on which Murray will claim [h]is conviction was wrong.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray In October, the Appeals Court granted Murray’s lawyer a final extension until Friday 21 December to file his appeal brief.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court made it clear in October that no further extensions of time for filing that Appeal brief would be granted.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court then phoned Deputy Attorney General, Victoria Wilson: any objection to the bail motion to be filed by 31.12. 2012.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray So having made his bail motion, Murray’s lawyers then did exactly what they told would not be allowed by the Court in October.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray Yes, they asked for a 45 day extension in order to file their Appeal Brief. …” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court ruled today ‘Appellant’s December 18, 2012 application to extend time to file the opening brief is denied’.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729)}

December 21 Tweet: “@song_title We don't know formally what he’s actually appealing yet. Assume it’s conviction and sentence. Michael”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576)}

December 21 Tweet: “@lmt4mj There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases. So #conradmurray won’t be.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland News about Conrad Murray Mr. McParland? please?’ No news. No appeal brief was filed by 10.05 pm on the 21st.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?’ No, they’re out of time now, but they’re exploiting the rules
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616)}

December 22 Tweet: “#conradmuray did NOT file his appeal brief with the Court by 21.12.2012 as needed. Check out the rules-spot the gap!  http://t.co/XcPYybDa (http://t.co/XcPYybDa)
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434)}

December 22 Tweet: “@Kyahpooch Hi Mrs S, yes I did. I think Murray will still appeal. Check out my earlier TL about the gap in the rules. Best wishes, M”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912)}

December 23 Tweet: “@MJaddyy Probably released late November time next year, unless his earlier bail application or appeal succeeds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me No. The court has already said there will be no further extensions.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s the 15 day + gap caused by having to write to Murray telling him unless he gets his brief in his appeal will be dismissed.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s not an automatic dismissal. He'll get that one dose of extra time. Won't help his bail application” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769)}

2012 California Rules of Court -- Rule 8.220. Failure to file a brief: “If a party fails to timely file [by 12-21-12] an appellant’s opening brief or a respondent’s brief, the reviewing court clerk must promptly notify the party by mail that the brief must be filed within 15 days after the notice is mailed and that if the party fails to comply, the court may impose one of the following sanctions:  (1) If the brief is an appellant’s opening brief, the court may dismiss the appeal;” {http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220 (http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220)}
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 27, 2012, 03:37:10 AM
So I don't know how this ties in with the New Years theory, but I'm I bet it's going to be interesting.
I don't even know what I'm suppose to be watching for on New Years day.
I'm going to watch the New Year Countdown to when it starts to like an hour after it ends JUST IN CASE.
I'm also going to watch it on the stream they have.
I feel like it's not going to be at the New Years NYC thing though, so that leaves me to believe that it's maybe going to be something online.
I don't know, why do I ramble on? >.>
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: JukeBox on December 27, 2012, 04:26:47 AM
Thanks TS.

I guess we need to watch out for news on Murray's appeal brief being filed. Soon, I bet! :judge-smiley:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: NataliaC on December 27, 2012, 04:29:23 AM
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Interesting tweets, indeed. Does this mean that BAM is somehow related with Conrad Murray?

For sure, cause nobody should be in jail for something he didn't do...

Yes, that is for sure.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 27, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
I must confess I didn't quite understand what is that all about.
You guys did?

So Murray had to file a brief by December 21 and he didn't. But he still has 15 days to do it.
Extra time.
Do we have to take this at face value or is it a symbol for the BAM, that Mike will take himself some extra time? 15 days maybe...or so....

What do you think?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: reveron1958 on December 27, 2012, 06:14:01 AM
I am totally lost..... :WTF:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: MarineBeLIEve on December 27, 2012, 06:35:17 AM
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I am totally lost..... :WTF:

You're not alone , me too  :suspect:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 27, 2012, 06:43:43 AM
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I am totally lost..... :WTF:

You're not alone , me too  :suspect:

Same here...kinda.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Adore on December 27, 2012, 07:01:11 AM
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So Murray had to file a brief by December 21 and he didn't. But he still has 15 days to do it.



My understanding also. But why didn't Murray filed that brief on the 12.21 at the latest ? Also, even if he had done that on the 21 and he'd had succeeded - meaning that he'd be free - the possible BAM wouldn't have fit in TS's deadline.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Adore on December 27, 2012, 07:14:30 AM
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Interesting tweets, indeed. Does this mean that BAM is somehow related with Conrad Murray?

For sure, cause nobody should be in jail for something he didn't do...

It does sound like it could be related. Only TS knows, though.

I always believed that all roads lead to Murray, that Michael cannot come back if the Murray problem isn't solved. Therefore, I was very disappointed reading the news in October that he won't be back for Christmas. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23416.msg426213.html#msg426213
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 27, 2012, 07:53:01 AM
and who is McParland?

edit: or they failed to file the appeal brief on purpose, so that MJ comes back in the meantime?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: emulik on December 27, 2012, 08:58:03 AM
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I must confess I didn't quite understand what is that all about.
You guys did?

So Murray had to file a brief by December 21 and he didn't. But he still has 15 days to do it.
Extra time.
Do we have to take this at face value or is it a symbol for the BAM, that Mike will take himself some extra time? 15 days maybe...or so....

What do you think?
Gina, those are exactly my feelings about it! maybe little whisper between the lines that Michael needs extra time...we will see.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: paula-c on December 27, 2012, 09:12:28 AM
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So Murray had to file a brief by December 21 and he didn't. But he still has 15 days to do it.



My understanding also. But why didn't Murray filed that brief on the 12.21 at the latest ? Also, even if he had done that on the 21 and he'd had succeeded - meaning that he'd be free - the possible BAM wouldn't have fit in TS's deadline.






and the plot gets complicated of being certain this news.


Quote
Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG, the promotion company they say hired Murray and supervised Murray's care of Jackson as he prepared for comeback concerts in London in summer 2009. Murray is expected to be a witness in the wrongful death trial scheduled for next April.



http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/19/justice/california-conrad-murray-appeal/
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 27, 2012, 09:33:46 AM
Michael McParland: http://www.quadrantchambers.com/people/michael_mcparland/

Quote
Taking to Sky News, barrister Michael McParland believed that Mr Alvarez’s evidence was very strong for the case.
 
He said: “This was the first evidence that actually connects propofol to the death of Michael Jackson.
 
“The defence’s case is that it was not Dr Murray who administered it but Jackson himself.
 
“What the prosecution are trying to suggest is that Murray put a propofol bottle into the saline bag to leave it there as a running drug drip into Jackson’s left leg.
 
“If that is correct, it is very damning evidence. Propofol should never be administered out of hospital and certainly not out of constant monitoring.”
 
http://celebupdatenews.wordpress.com/tag/barrister-michael-mcparland/

hmmm interesting those tweets, i think investigations on many levels are still running, there's more to it, more crucial evidence is coming ...i think. Justice requires time :judge-smiley:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: gwynned on December 27, 2012, 09:46:11 AM
About Michael McParland

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Michael is well known to the wider public for the last 15 years through his awarding-winning expert legal commentaries on Sky News, as well as on the BBC, ITV, CNN and other television and radio stations in the UK and abroad. These include his live-trial commentaries of Dr Conrard Murray over the death of Michael Jackson (2011), the Bush-Gore Election cases (2000), the Clinton impreachment (1988) and the trial and appeal of Louise Woodward (1997-1998) as well as other shows.

Now, if he is a lawyer and witnessed the 'trial' and didn't jump up and say  :WTF: , he is either an idiot or in on the hoax.  I found the other two cases interesting as well.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Andrea on December 27, 2012, 10:09:29 AM
Very interesting indeed, thanks TS.


I wonder if the Appeal Brief has anything to do with "alleged victim...alleged date".


This is my understanding of those tweets - Murray missed his deadline (12/21/12) to appeal, he ran out of time but his lawyer is exploiting the rules so he can still appeal.  But nobody knows exactly what he's appealing which is unusual.


@gwynned - he (McParland) may not be in on the hoax but he could be and should be suspicious of it, that's sort of how his tweets read to me.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: paula-c on December 27, 2012, 10:30:48 AM
 Strong evidence of Alvarez?, i would say contradictory if we look at some things that were said in the trial



Michael Jackson’s Bodyguard’s Fingerprints Not on Saline Bag

The fingerprints of Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, Alberto Alvarez, are not on a saline bag that he testified to removing from an IV stand at Dr. Conrad Murray’s request, ABC News has learned.

ABC News

The news could be trouble for prosecutors in Murray’s manslaughter trial. Prosecutors say that Murray was reckless in his care of Jackson and when it became clear that Jackson was in cardiac arrest, Murray took steps to cover up his alleged wrongdoing.
Alvarez told jurors last week that Murray asked him to remove vials of propofol and a saline bag hanging on an IV stand during the time that they were waiting for first responders to arrive to Jackson’s rented mansion.
“I thought we were packing, getting ready to go to the hospital,” Alvarez testified on Sept. 29.  “I recall that while I was detaching it [the saline bag] from the IV stand, the bag was at my eye level.  I was able to notice that there was a bottle inside this bag.”


lvarez’s fingerprints were not on any vials either, sources told ABC News.
Alvarez said the bottle appeared to have a milky, white substance in it. Propofol, a powerful anesthetic, is sometimes referred to as “milk” by addicts.  Jackson, 50, died of a drug overdose of propofol on June 25, 2009 after a night of rehearsing for a grueling 50-night comeback tour dubbed “This Is It.”
During cross-examination last week, defense attorneys tried to chip away at Alvarez’s claims that he had moved vials and a saline bag for Murray. Defense attorneys repeatedly questioned the bodyguard about why he never mentioned packing the vials and IV bag to police on the day Jackson died, but instead waited nearly two months to tell law enforcement.
 Alvarez testified that news reports about the milky propofol sparked his memory and made him tell law enforcement.
In addition to the lack of Alvarez’s fingerprints on the saline bag and vials, ABC News has also learned from sources close to the investigation that Michael Jackson’s fingerprints were not on any of the vials of propofol found on Murray or in Jackson’s bedroom.  The defense has claimed that Jackson himself took a lethal dose of propofol and another sedative without Murray’s knowledge on the day he died.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/michael-jacksons-bodyguards-fingerprints-not-on-saline-bag/
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Sarahli on December 27, 2012, 03:00:16 PM
If TS is bringing this to our attention it probably means that BAM is connected to Murray's appeal. They didn’t file the brief by the deadline because maybe more time was needed? ... so they are taking advantage of this 15 days gap to do it. Just speculation, lol.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: wishingstar on December 27, 2012, 03:17:56 PM
So....TS_comments......18 tweets about Murray? Interesting...makes this picture a little foretelling:

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSl6H1FIuA-nAL73fk2Te75p_NRTyDfLp_rd756kuiMEwPiBUgVIg)

I am also interested in what is underlined specifically...let's read just those (they are listed in sets...from the individual tweet):

Notice of Appeal
filed over a year ago
unusual
court not to know his appeal grounds

Brief
grounds on which Murray will claim [h]is conviction was wrong  ...............(why the [h] ?)

final
Friday 21 December
brief

no further extensions of time
brief

bail motion
31.12.2012

exactly
not be allowed

extension
Brief

extend time
brief
denied

We don't know formally what he's actually appealing yet

apart from exceptional, new evidence cases

No appeal brief
10.05
21st

but they're exploiting the rules

brief
21.12.1012
gap!

Murray will still appeal
gap

unless

no further extensions

15 day+gap
unless
brief
dismissed

one dose of extra time

*This next set of underlined words is from the very bottom note about 2012 California Rules of Court:

fails
timely file
brief
clerk must promptly notify the party
brief must be filed within 15 days after the notice is mailed
dismiss the appeal

To me it just reads easier....almost like TS_comments is just plain telling us Murray will appeal, that there are deadlines in place etc......
anyone gather anything else.......
the one that says, "....we don't know exactly what he's appealing" is interesting......what else could Murray appeal anyways?  The size of his cell?  :icon_lol:

Anyways......this was just a brain exercise....hope you are all having a great week!
Blessings Always

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2012, 03:41:32 PM
Thanks TS, interesting tweets I_deed !

It seems like the next episode of the Conrad Murray trial is about to start soon.  Will it be televised ?  Will the media be all over it ?   

During the trial I had visions of Conrad Murray taking his mask off and everyone being shocked !   It seems like something shocking may happen at the appeal ? 

"Keep Your Head Up" because we're going "Hollywood Tonight" to reveal what's "Behind the Mask".   

 :th_bravo:                   

Unless, I'm just dreaming   :icon_geek:

 
 
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Love4Michael on December 27, 2012, 04:25:11 PM
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Thanks TS, interesting tweets I_deed !

It seems like the next episode of the Conrad Murray trial is about to start soon.  Will it be televised ?  Will the media be all over it ?   

During the trial I had visions of Conrad Murray taking his mask off and everyone being shocked !   It seems like something shocking may happen at the appeal ? 

"Keep Your Head Up" because we're going "Hollywood Tonight" to reveal what's "Behind the Mask".   

 :th_bravo:                   

Unless, I'm just dreaming   :icon_geek:

Interesting concept DWA.  If/When we do see CM again next...nobody would think twice if he looked a bit different given all the stories in the rags about the toll his "incarceration" has taken on the poor soul.  I doubted that CM was actually Michael during the lead up and the trial...but maybe for his next public appearance he will be...and will make the big reveal...lol.  That kind of revelation would cause some jaws to drop now wouldn't it?  It's just an odd thought that ran through my head when I read your post.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: MJonmind on December 27, 2012, 04:45:43 PM
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So....TS_comments......18 tweets about Murray? Interesting...makes this picture a little foretelling:

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSl6H1FIuA-nAL73fk2Te75p_NRTyDfLp_rd756kuiMEwPiBUgVIg)

Wish, good catch!
DWA, you and me both! :icon_lol:

Paula, good thought on Alverez. Though we had the official trial, there were still so many unanswered questions and things not even explored properly. So perhaps this CM appeal and AEG trial will be the second round. This is going to be a great year, and I'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: SimPattyK on December 27, 2012, 05:39:57 PM
@Wishy: I loved your selection of all the underlined words in TS's post.
Some seem to fit into a clear message...others are just random...
It's good you took them out like that, who knows maybe we will be able to make something out of them after some time if we receive more "pieces' of the puzzle.
I got accustomed with Front and TS posts now... Most often we don't understand them until some time passes and other clues are dropped!
I didn't even think to count those twits!! you're right , it's interesting how we have again number 18 showing up in relation to Murray!!  :icon_e_wink: That is NO coincidence!!


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Thanks TS, interesting tweets I_deed !

It seems like the next episode of the Conrad Murray trial is about to start soon.  Will it be televised ?  Will the media be all over it ?   
During the trial I had visions of Conrad Murray taking his mask off and everyone being shocked !   It seems like something shocking may happen at the appeal ? 

"Keep Your Head Up" because we're going "Hollywood Tonight" to reveal what's "Behind the Mask".   
 :th_bravo:                   
Unless, I'm just dreaming   :icon_geek:
Interesting concept DWA.  If/When we do see CM again next...nobody would think twice if he looked a bit different given all the stories in the rags about the toll his "incarceration" has taken on the poor soul.  I doubted that CM was actually Michael during the lead up and the trial...but maybe for his next public appearance he will be...and will make the big reveal...lol.  That kind of revelation would cause some jaws to drop now wouldn't it?  It's just an odd thought that ran through my head when I read your post.
WoW! great scenario you guys have here! please continue!! I wish it would prove true!!  :icon_bounce:
that would be awesome for MJ to appear from behind Murray's mask during a live trial!!  :affraid: The whole world would explode!!!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Love4Michael on December 27, 2012, 06:10:41 PM
Thanks Sim...but it could be that I just watched too many episodes of Perry Mason when I was young.  There was always a shocker from on the witness stand in the end...LOL
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
 :LolLolLolLol:  You guys are so funny.  This is fun. Those are just some of the things that go through my mind after watching all this time.  Doesn't it seem like something BIG or important may happen during Murray's appeal ?  There's also the trial with AEG.   
@Sim, You want us to continue this scenario.  IDK, nothing pops into my head right now except that a lot of things could come out at the appeal.  Only the hoax doctor knows and it does seem like the plan is under control !  I'll just stay in the waiting room and "keep watchin". 

Love You All   :icon_razz:

 
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: marumjj on December 27, 2012, 07:15:22 PM
Hello TS! If you did it hard! Your post definitely has a great message to decipher. Could say that the date remains firm BAM? or conversely, if the appeal is approved should expect a brief extension of time?
OK we will take a brief extension of time to understand, for now'm scratching my head  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Adi on December 27, 2012, 08:47:29 PM
I'm scratching my head on this one too. Thanks @wishingstar for laying out the underlined bits.

Interesting that they don't know yet what Dr M is appealing.

My overall feeling is the date 12/21/2012 was missed (no BAM either on that date as alot of us were hoping/expecting).

The date 12/31/2012 in those tweets (made me think of TS deadline of 1/1/2013)  and no further extensions

Apart from exceptional, new evidence cases - maybe evidence will come out that means testimonies are needed & maybe this will be part of the BAM - Dr M testifying in his appeal that MJ is alive  :affraid:

I will keep watching in the upcoming days for any further news about Dr M and this appeal.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Adi on December 27, 2012, 09:43:21 PM
Also - I just noticed the time which TS_comments posted about these tweets - it was at 12:31.

Over the past 3+ years TS has often posted at times which have then related to dates either when updates were posted or other things happened...

....so I wonder if anything of note will happen on 12/31.....

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Andrea on December 27, 2012, 10:44:16 PM
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Also - I just noticed the time which TS_comments posted about these tweets - it was at 12:31.

Over the past 3+ years TS has often posted at times which have then related to dates either when updates were posted or other things happened...

....so I wonder if anything of note will happen on 12/31.....



Well, I certainly hope so, lol.  Although I have been thinking that this could last a while longer though.  Time is quickly running out for 2012!
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Adi on December 28, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
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Also - I just noticed the time which TS_comments posted about these tweets - it was at 12:31.

Over the past 3+ years TS has often posted at times which have then related to dates either when updates were posted or other things happened...

....so I wonder if anything of note will happen on 12/31.....



Well, I certainly hope so, lol.  Although I have been thinking that this could last a while longer though.  Time is quickly running out for 2012!

Yeah probably will - I am certainly not getting my hopes up for ANYTHING to happen at all......even a whisper lol .......it was more me thinking out loud.

I'll be too busy having fun celebrating NYE to be thinking about it anyway

 :beerchug:    :beerchug:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on December 28, 2012, 12:22:36 AM
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Also - I just noticed the time which TS_comments posted about these tweets - it was at 12:31.

Over the past 3+ years TS has often posted at times which have then related to dates either when updates were posted or other things happened...

....so I wonder if anything of note will happen on 12/31.....
If not BAM maybe we'll get sign #7....assuming sign #7 isn't Michael himself

So I'm kind of having a hard time with the idea of the whole wrongful death trial. If Michael bams before then, would the trial be canceled? It would pretty much have to be right?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: JukeBox on December 28, 2012, 01:55:15 AM
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Also - I just noticed the time which TS_comments posted about these tweets - it was at 12:31.

Over the past 3+ years TS has often posted at times which have then related to dates either when updates were posted or other things happened...

....so I wonder if anything of note will happen on 12/31.....

Great observation, Adi!!

I personally do think that BAM will happen on 12/31 - TS has never made a statement more firm than that MJ will return before 2012 ends, it's gotta be true!
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: marumjj on December 28, 2012, 03:42:03 AM
other information that caught my attention is the date and time 12-31-12 10:05 pm.
this reminds me

TS
Quote
“Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:40; see 12:46; Matthew 24:50).  “… the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Imagine BAM before toast!  :woohoo2:           :beerchug:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: jono on December 28, 2012, 05:29:19 AM
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Also - I just noticed the time which TS_comments posted about these tweets - it was at 12:31.

Over the past 3+ years TS has often posted at times which have then related to dates either when updates were posted or other things happened...

....so I wonder if anything of note will happen on 12/31.....

Great observation, Adi!!

I personally do think that BAM will happen on 12/31 - TS has never made a statement more firm than that MJ will return before 2012 ends, it's gotta be true!

I agree and TS never hinted anything to make me doubt it. Why put his credibility on the line with a hoax deadline if he was not certain?
All the work and planing he has put into this... Does not make sense!

Also, as a dedicated bible reader TS should know that lying is not nice! (that one is for you TS)  :icon_lol:  :icon_lol:

I interpret the latest redirect with the tweets as this:

Quote
Given that Murray’s Notice of Appeal was filed over a year ago, its unusual for the court not to know his appeal grounds.”

Of course they are not allowed to know that MJ is alive, not yet! Not before BAM. And that is why:

Quote
but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?’ No, they’re out of time now, but they’re exploiting the rules

For an extension of 15 days:

Quote
2012 California Rules of Court -- Rule 8.220. Failure to file a brief: “If a party fails to timely file [by 12-21-12] an appellant’s opening brief or a respondent’s brief, the reviewing court clerk must promptly notify the party by mail that the brief must be filed within 15 days after the notice is mailed and that if the party fails to comply, the court may impose one of the following sanctions:  (1) If the brief is an appellant’s opening brief, the court may dismiss the appeal;”

This will give MJ room to BAM and reveal the:

Quote
There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases.”

That the Man is alive...  :D
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: SimPattyK on December 28, 2012, 06:40:47 AM
@JONO: great interpretation of those quotes! makes sense!!  :icon_e_wink:



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December 20 Tweet: “#MichaelJackson Given that Murray’s Notice of Appeal was filed over a year ago, its unusual for the court not to know his appeal grounds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Appeal Brief is the written document that sets out the grounds on which Murray will claim [h]is conviction was wrong.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray In October, the Appeals Court granted Murray’s lawyer a final extension until Friday 21 December to file his appeal brief.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court made it clear in October that no further extensions of time for filing that Appeal brief would be granted.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court then phoned Deputy Attorney General, Victoria Wilson: any objection to the bail motion to be filed by 31.12. 2012.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray So having made his bail motion, Murray’s lawyers then did exactly what they told would not be allowed by the Court in October.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray Yes, they asked for a 45 day extension in order to file their Appeal Brief. …” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court ruled today ‘Appellant’s December 18, 2012 application to extend time to file the opening brief is denied’.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729)}

December 21 Tweet: “@song_title We don't know formally what he’s actually appealing yet. Assume it’s conviction and sentence. Michael”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576)}

December 21 Tweet: “@lmt4mj There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases. So #conradmurray won’t be.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland News about Conrad Murray Mr. McParland? please?’ No news. No appeal brief was filed by 10.05 pm on the 21st.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?’ No, they’re out of time now, but they’re exploiting the rules
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616)}

December 22 Tweet: “#conradmuray did NOT file his appeal brief with the Court by 21.12.2012 as needed. Check out the rules-spot the gap!  http://t.co/XcPYybDa (http://t.co/XcPYybDa)
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434)}

December 22 Tweet: “@Kyahpooch Hi Mrs S, yes I did. I think Murray will still appeal. Check out my earlier TL about the gap in the rules. Best wishes, M”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912)}

December 23 Tweet: “@MJaddyy Probably released late November time next year, unless his earlier bail application or appeal succeeds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me No. The court has already said there will be no further extensions.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s the 15 day + gap caused by having to write to Murray telling him unless he gets his brief in his appeal will be dismissed.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s not an automatic dismissal. He'll get that one dose of extra time. Won't help his bail application” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769)}

2012 California Rules of Court -- Rule 8.220. Failure to file a brief: “If a party fails to timely file [by 12-21-12] an appellant’s opening brief or a respondent’s brief, the reviewing court clerk must promptly notify the party by mail that the brief must be filed within 15 days after the notice is mailed and that if the party fails to comply, the court may impose one of the following sanctions:  (1) If the brief is an appellant’s opening brief, the court may dismiss the appeal;” {http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220 (http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220)}

Twits from today

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraytwee.jpg)


I have wondered why haven't we heard news about the current on-goings of Murray's case, from TMZ or from other news-specialized media? So far, pretty much any news or info about Murray came mostly from TMZ.
Why did TS quote from some tweeter account?
Who is this Michael  McParland? I've never heard of him before. Is he a reliable source? If TS chose to quote him, probably he is....
So I decided to google him to find some more info. If any of you guys know more , please share.


---> http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/1198996

---> http://www.legal500.com/firms/9329-chambers-of-lionel-persey-qc-simon-rainey-qc/offices/9329-london/lawyers/4305

---> VIDEO: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/video/news/3866578/Michael-Jackson-trial-update.html

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayuru.jpg)


---> http://www.quadrantchambers.com/people/michael_mcparland/

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayycy.jpg)

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: SimPattyK on December 28, 2012, 07:46:49 AM
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[ . . . ]
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray In October, the Appeals Court granted Murray’s lawyer a final extension until Friday 21 December to file his appeal brief.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520)}
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court made it clear in October that no further extensions of time for filing that Appeal brief would be granted.”
[ . . . .]
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray Yes, they asked for a 45 day extension in order to file their Appeal Brief. …”
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court ruled today ‘Appellant’s December 18, 2012 application to extend time to file the opening brief is denied’.”
[ . . . .]
December 21 Tweet: “@lmt4mj There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases. So #conradmurray won’t be.”
[ . . . ]
December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: "@MMcParland but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?" No, they’re out of time now, but they're exploiting the rules
December 22 Tweet: “#conradmuray did NOT file his appeal brief with the Court by 21.12.2012 as needed. Check out the rules-spot the gap!  http://t.co/XcPYybDa (http://t.co/XcPYybDa)
[ . . . ]
December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me No. The court has already said there will be no further extensions.”
December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s the 15 day + gap caused by having to write to Murray telling him unless he gets his brief in his appeal will be dismissed.”
December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s not an automatic dismissal. He'll get that one dose of extra time. Won't help his bail application”
[. . . .]


Remember what TS wrote when he gave us his deadline back in 2011?
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[...]I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be EXTENDED.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
Thanks to that underlined-words selection made by Wishingstar, I realized there's a KEY-word in TS post, namely: EXTEND / EXTENSION

I think there is absolutely NO coincidence that back in 2011, TS had used this EXACT same term - EXTENDED when he talked about BAM !! TS knew the LAW (rules of the court) and he knew how Murray's case would be handled in this final stage.

From Michael McParland's twits I get this:
1. In October the Court granted Murray the permission to file his appeal brief, until December 21st, 2012. And Murray was warned that no other time extension would be granted to him other than December 21st.
If he fails to do so, his appeal will be refused/dismissed.

2. Murray DID "fail" to file his appeal brief until December 21st.
[Of course he "failed"! Why would he file for appeal? it was not yet Michael's time to BAM!  :icon_lol: ]

3. MMCParland said "They're are out of time now" = Murray's appeal is already as if dimissed! But according to the legal procedures, it's just a matter of tIME (namely that 15 days gap !! ) until the Court will notify Murray that his appeal is dismissed!

4. MMcParland said: "They're exploiting the rules" = They're taking advantage of this "one dose of EXTRA tIME".
[Of course, because during this "extra time", Michael will BAM, and according to TS it will be "by January the 1st"! And I think @ADI has a good point about the time TS made this post with the twits, at 12:31 ---> this could be the BAM date! - Dec 31st]

5. MMcParland said there's normally no TESTIMONY on appeal , "apart from exceptional, new evidence cases".
[that "exceptional new evidence" could be Michael showing up in Murray's case to TESTIFY !! Imagine that!!  :affraid: ]
_______________________________________________________________________

-Michael's life has always been devoured by the MEDIA. he has been ridiculed, humiliated and demonized by the tabloid press. To the point where he was near to the risk of being put in jail because of those lies and because of a certain group of people who used those tabloid lies to orchestrate the molestation trials against him.
-The tabloid lies are so harmful and have that much public and social impact, that even after the Jury verdict declared him INNOCENT of all charges, the public still maintains the "Guilty verdict" that the media had imposed even before the trial took place!
-As a result, Michael's image is stained forever in the eyes of the public, who gullibly believes everything they read, and who thinks that Michael escaped a guilty verdict only because he was a rich celebrity!
-This unfortunate outcome, gives the tabloid press an undeserved and dangerous power of manipulation and also the opportunity to do the same things again to whomever they choose in the future! namely: the history will repeat", the message is clear: "Don't mess up with the TPTB or you'll get what Michael Jackson got!"

**********

-Michael Jackson faked his death to MAKE a point! ---> when a group of people having a certain amount of money and power, are determined to manipulate the public opinion, through the media, they will 100% succeed!
-Michael Jackson was therefore determined to prove that he could manipulate the public into believing that he died (by using his own financial & MEDIA resources and secretly backed up by the FBI).
-Michael Jackson was also highly motivated to prove that an INNOCENT man (as he was during the trials) could be charged and sent to prison, based on no credible/logical evidence, other than what was shown in the media!
-Michael Jackson will prove how the public was made to believe that Murray was in jaill all this time, when in fact he hasn't spent a single day imprisoned! the whole trial being a teLIEvised set-up! / STING operation.
-When that BAM day comes, Michael Jackson will prove how DANGEROUS the tabloid press can be, especially when the strings are pulled from behind the curtains by the TPTB! and how wrong it is for people to 'swallow" everything they've been fed by the media!
-Michael Jackson will prove that this kind of practice is a danger to society and will prove that his life was put in danger by his conspirators who will be further exposed!


OMGGG!! I can't wait for this!!!  :judge-smiley: :woohoo2: :icon_bounce:

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Loveunited on December 28, 2012, 07:51:41 AM
Jono ^^^,   :th_bravo:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 28, 2012, 08:17:05 AM
Tick tock tick tock...  :Crash:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: gwynned on December 28, 2012, 10:11:16 AM
Sim....Great analysis.  As you have said before, He will come back because of what happens AFTER the BAM.  I would only add that the press can not only send an innocent man to jail, they can help launch wars against other nations by unquestioningly promoting the government's agenda.  As was said in V for Vendetta about the media, 'The government writes the news, we just read it,' or something to that effect. 

I do hope you are right, that the BAM is designed to expose the media and the criminals behind it.  That will be a day to remember remember.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: wishingstar on December 28, 2012, 10:24:36 AM
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!
Amazing thoughts about all these tweets........
Have to go re-read it all.....like Sim said.....can't wait  :icon_bounce:

Blessings!
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 28, 2012, 11:05:34 AM
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[ . . . ]
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray In October, the Appeals Court granted Murray’s lawyer a final extension until Friday 21 December to file his appeal brief.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520)}
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court made it clear in October that no further extensions of time for filing that Appeal brief would be granted.”
[ . . . .]
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray Yes, they asked for a 45 day extension in order to file their Appeal Brief. …”
December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court ruled today ‘Appellant’s December 18, 2012 application to extend time to file the opening brief is denied’.”
[ . . . .]
December 21 Tweet: “@lmt4mj There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases. So #conradmurray won’t be.”
[ . . . ]
December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: "@MMcParland but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?" No, they’re out of time now, but they're exploiting the rules
December 22 Tweet: “#conradmuray did NOT file his appeal brief with the Court by 21.12.2012 as needed. Check out the rules-spot the gap!  http://t.co/XcPYybDa (http://t.co/XcPYybDa)
[ . . . ]
December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me No. The court has already said there will be no further extensions.”
December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s the 15 day + gap caused by having to write to Murray telling him unless he gets his brief in his appeal will be dismissed.”
December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s not an automatic dismissal. He'll get that one dose of extra time. Won't help his bail application”
[. . . .]


Remember what TS wrote when he gave us his deadline back in 2011?
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[...]I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be EXTENDED.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
Thanks to that underlined-words selection made by Wishingstar, I realized there's a KEY-word in TS post, namely: EXTEND / EXTENSION

I think there is absolutely NO coincidence that back in 2011, TS had used this EXACT same term - EXTENDED when he talked about BAM !! TS knew the LAW (rules of the court) and he knew how Murray's case would be handled in this final stage.

From Michael McParland's twits I get this:
1. In October the Court granted Murray the permission to file his appeal brief, until December 21st, 2012. And Murray was warned that no other time extension would be granted to him other than December 21st.
If he fails to do so, his appeal will be refused/dismissed.

2. Murray DID "fail" to file his appeal brief until December 21st.
[Of course he "failed"! Why would he file for appeal? it was not yet Michael's time to BAM!  :icon_lol: ]

3. MMCParland said "They're are out of time now" = Murray's appeal is already as if dimissed! But according to the legal procedures, it's just a matter of tIME (namely that 15 days gap !! ) until the Court will notify Murray that his appeal is dismissed!

4. MMcParland said: "They're exploiting the rules" = They're taking advantage of this "one dose of EXTRA tIME".
[Of course, because during this "extra time", Michael will BAM, and according to TS it will be "by January the 1st"! And I think @ADI has a good point about the time TS made this post with the twits, at 12:31 ---> this could be the BAM date! - Dec 31st]

5. MMcParland said there's normally no TESTIMONY on appeal , "apart from exceptional, new evidence cases".
[that "exceptional new evidence" could be Michael showing up in Murray's case to TESTIFY !! Imagine that!!  :affraid: ]
_______________________________________________________________________

-Michael's life has always been devoured by the MEDIA. he has been ridiculed, humiliated and demonized by the tabloid press. To the point where he was near to the risk of being put in jail because of those lies and because of a certain group of people who used those tabloid lies to orchestrate the molestation trials against him.
-The tabloid lies are so harmful and have that much public and social impact, that even after the Jury verdict declared him INNOCENT of all charges, the public still maintains the "Guilty verdict" that the media had imposed even before the trial took place!
-As a result, Michael's image is stained forever in the eyes of the public, who gullibly believes everything they read, and who thinks that Michael escaped a guilty verdict only because he was a rich celebrity!
-This unfortunate outcome, gives the tabloid press an undeserved and dangerous power of manipulation and also the opportunity to do the same things again to whomever they choose in the future! namely: the history will repeat", the message is clear: "Don't mess up with the TPTB or you'll get what Michael Jackson got!"

**********

-Michael Jackson faked his death to MAKE a point! ---> when a group of people having a certain amount of money and power, are determined to manipulate the public opinion, through the media, they will 100% succeed!
-Michael Jackson was therefore determined to prove that he could manipulate the public into believing that he died (by using his own financial & MEDIA resources and secretly backed up by the FBI).
-Michael Jackson was also highly motivated to prove that an INNOCENT man (as he was during the trials) could be charged and sent to prison, based on no credible/logical evidence, other than what was shown in the media!
-Michael Jackson will prove how the public was made to believe that Murray was in jaill all this time, when in fact he hasn't spent a single day imprisoned! the whole trial being a teLIEvised set-up! / STING operation.
-When that BAM day comes, Michael Jackson will prove how DANGEROUS the tabloid press can be, especially when the strings are pulled from behind the curtains by the TPTB! and how wrong it is for people to 'swallow" everything they've been fed by the media!
-Michael Jackson will prove that this kind of practice is a danger to society and will prove that his life was put in danger by his conspirators who will be further exposed!


OMGGG!! I can't wait for this!!!  :judge-smiley: :woohoo2: :icon_bounce:


Sim, bless u girl, it was so wonderful to read this!!  :th_bravo:

I can't wait tooo!!  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 28, 2012, 11:37:43 AM
Great Interpretation Sim and others.  I'm wishing for SUCCESS for MJ on this mission.  This would also most definitely "Change The World".    The corrupt media is so powerful and manipulative.  Think about wars,war on terrorism, elections etc.etc.etc.     

  :michael_jackson-1135:

Your army is here for you Michael.  Love You.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Jowayria on December 28, 2012, 12:27:19 PM
Omg Omg I love you guys !  :bowdown:

@ Sim Did I ever tell you how amazingly cunning your analyses are ?

Quote
I think there is absolutely NO coincidence that back in 2011, TS had used this EXACT same term - EXTENDED when he talked about BAM !! TS knew the LAW (rules of the court) and he knew how Murray's case would be handled in this final stage.

Humm , you mean this extension was planned too ? If so , what do you think it serves ?

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: SimPattyK on December 28, 2012, 02:06:55 PM
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[...] I would only add that the press can not only send an innocent man to jail, they can help launch wars against other nations by unquestioningly promoting the government's agenda.  As was said in V for Vendetta about the media, 'The government writes the news, we just read it,' or something to that effect.  [...]
yes! very important! They don't limit themselves to only destroying celebs' lives, but they also use that manipulative media power for higher and dirtier interests, too, and all in the detriment of the innocent (ignorant) masses.


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Great Interpretation Sim and others.  I'm wishing for SUCCESS for MJ on this mission.  This would also most definitely "Change The World". [...] Your army is here for you Michael.  Love You.
I hope Michael's return will trigger that CHANGE explosion capable to send shock waves all around the world...

Michael Jackson - FB page -2 hours ago: "Have you thought about the message behind “Man In The Mirror”? What are your resolutions for a better 2013?" - https://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson


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@ Sim Did I ever tell you how amazingly cunning your analyses are ?
Quote
I think there is absolutely NO coincidence that back in 2011, TS had used this EXACT same term - EXTENDED when he talked about BAM !! TS knew the LAW (rules of the court) and he knew how Murray's case would be handled in this final stage.
Humm , you mean this extension was planned too ? If so , what do you think it serves ?
lol @Jowayria ... yes, I think you told me once something about how you like the way my mind works... Thank you, that's kind of you. And I take what you said today as a compliment too, even if the word "cunning" doesn't necessarily have a positive connotation loll  :icon_lol: I guess it depends on the meaning conveyed by the speaker lol

So to answer your question @Jowayria,  IDK ... nobody can know for sure whether this extension was planned or not. If you remember there have been many extensions and delays in Murray's case, even before the trial started. Probably unexpected situations had been taken into account when everything was planned from the very beginning, so that the hoax plan/ numerology won't be affected. That would explain why this year we had the impression that we were being made to wait longer and longer... Probably this was the assumed "secured-time" left in case the trial didn't end when it ended, maybe they expected even more delays... And because the BAM deadline had already been set up NOT to be extended after January 1st (as TS told us before the trial started back in August 2011), well this year was really hard on our patience loll

On the other hand, maybe everything was planned to occur exactly as it occurred (extensions/delays/false BAM-dates included!). Because along these 3.5 years we could see how this hoax was planned from the very start in the slightest details, from the colors of clothes worn by the main "actors" to the dates and minutes of the hours when something occurred!
TS taught us many things, amongst which the most important: the power of numbers, especially when they're used to leave signs & clues [decoding the hoax numerology], which to me, still remains by far the best proof of the death hoax.
Front has taught us about the power of language/expressions/double meanings (face value), capital letters, missing letters, word-games, especially when certain words are used in specific contexts, with the exact same purpose as the numbers were used: to leave clues and signs!
And seeing that word EXTEND/EXTENSION repeating so many times in TS's update and he even underlined it for us! it hit me!
The LAW texts are precise and they cannot be changed.... When Murray's trial was planned, it must have been done with some legal counseling and closely following the LAW texts!! Every major trial is bound to have some delays/extensions/postponings, especially  towards the end... unexpected situations may or may not appear! and the term EXTEND/EXTENSION appears often in legal texts. therefore, I think it  was purposefully used by TS when he talked about the BAM deadline, it perfectly fits with the context of this final stage in Murray's case.

So @Jowayria, I guess we can continue to scratch our heads about this endlessly .... lol  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: I hope after BAM, TS will reveal more about the reasons why everything was done the way it was!


Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: MsTrinity333 on December 28, 2012, 02:56:27 PM
I'm with Jono. I also went back and read all the underlined portions. :)

But Sim...I did notice two things about the article you posted concerning Michael McParland:
SUN & Inner Temple. Hmmmm. I don't know why it says Inner Temple on that article.  :confused:
But we've had discussions about the the Jewish Temple with TS posting in Michael's Army of Love.   :suspect:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Adi on December 28, 2012, 06:16:02 PM
@Sim - great post re: the extension/extend in those tweets and what TS wrote!

Besides the time TS posted this (12:31 - NYE) the other thing I also noticed in the tweets which was underlined was
 
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one dose of extra time

which reminded me of the "extra day of simmering"  :fresse:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: suspicious mind on December 28, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
can someone refresh me, did ts ever suggest that he might reveal himself at some point?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: heartofgold on December 28, 2012, 07:22:45 PM
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Thanks TS, interesting tweets I_deed !

It seems like the next episode of the Conrad Murray trial is about to start soon.  Will it be televised ?  Will the media be all over it ?   

During the trial I had visions of Conrad Murray taking his mask off and everyone being shocked !   It seems like something shocking may happen at the appeal ? 

"Keep Your Head Up" because we're going "Hollywood Tonight" to reveal what's "Behind the Mask".   

 :th_bravo:                   

Unless, I'm just dreaming   :icon_geek:

Interesting concept DWA.  If/When we do see CM again next...nobody would think twice if he looked a bit different given all the stories in the rags about the toll his "incarceration" has taken on the poor soul.  I doubted that CM was actually Michael during the lead up and the trial...but maybe for his next public appearance he will be...and will make the big reveal...lol.  That kind of revelation would cause some jaws to drop now wouldn't it?  It's just an odd thought that ran through my head when I read your post.

Michael not Bamming on december 21/2012 had something to do with the Murray appeal. There is a connection for sure IMO
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: heartofgold on December 28, 2012, 07:32:38 PM
I forgot to add this to my post. All of a sudden Murray has 7 yes you saw 7 kids from 5 different women  :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: Now this is a laugh http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/28/dr-conrad-murray-appeal-jail-michael-jackson-manslaughter/
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: PrincessMuffybear on December 28, 2012, 08:02:13 PM
I did not recall the good doctor having 7 kids.  Such an interesting man.....
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 28, 2012, 08:40:57 PM
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can someone refresh me, did ts ever suggest that he might reveal himself at some point?

Yes, he has. From "TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??"

Quote from: TS
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity.  But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time.  Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: voiceforthesilent on December 28, 2012, 08:56:07 PM
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Thanks TS, interesting tweets I_deed !

It seems like the next episode of the Conrad Murray trial is about to start soon.  Will it be televised ?  Will the media be all over it ?   

During the trial I had visions of Conrad Murray taking his mask off and everyone being shocked !   It seems like something shocking may happen at the appeal ? 

"Keep Your Head Up" because we're going "Hollywood Tonight" to reveal what's "Behind the Mask".   

 :th_bravo:                   

Unless, I'm just dreaming   :icon_geek:

Interesting concept DWA.  If/When we do see CM again next...nobody would think twice if he looked a bit different given all the stories in the rags about the toll his "incarceration" has taken on the poor soul.  I doubted that CM was actually Michael during the lead up and the trial...but maybe for his next public appearance he will be...and will make the big reveal...lol.  That kind of revelation would cause some jaws to drop now wouldn't it?  It's just an odd thought that ran through my head when I read your post.

Wouldn't it be fun if the next time we see Murray he's like, oh...say, 5'10" and 135 lbs? :)
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: MJonmind on December 29, 2012, 03:42:18 AM
Voice
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Wouldn't it be fun if the next time we see Murray he's like, oh...say, 5'10" and 135 lbs?  :)
:ghsdf:  'Honey, we shrunk Conrad Murray!'
That's if before it was, 'Honey, we blew up MJ (if he's CM)!'
 :affraid:

Sim, good eyes noticing the word, ‘extension’!
Your posts were brilliant!!  :smiley_abuv: Your year in law is paying off already!!  8)
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On the other hand, maybe everything was planned to occur exactly as it occurred (extensions/delays/false BAM-dates included!). Because along these 3.5 years we could see how this hoax was planned from the very start in the slightest details, from the colors of clothes worn by the main "actors" to the dates and minutes of the hours when something occurred!

TS taught us many things, amongst which the most important: the power of numbers, especially when they're used to leave signs & clues [decoding the hoax numerology], which to me, still remains by far the best proof of the death hoax.

Front has taught us about the power of language/expressions/double meanings (face value), capital letters, missing letters, word-games, especially when certain words are used in specific contexts, with the exact same purpose as the numbers were used: to leave clues and signs!
And seeing that word EXTEND/EXTENSION repeating so many times in TS's update and he even underlined it for us! it hit me!

The LAW texts are precise and they cannot be changed.... When Murray's trial was planned, it must have been done with some legal counseling and closely following the LAW texts!! Every major trial is bound to have some delays/extensions/postponings, especially  towards the end... unexpected situations may or may not appear! and the term EXTEND/EXTENSION appears often in legal texts. therefore, I think it  was purposefully used by TS when he talked about the BAM deadline, it perfectly fits with the context of this final stage in Murray's case.

Perhaps this lawyer, McParland, is an honest, straight-forward person, much like Mesereau, telling it like it is in a fair unbiased manner, which is the way all media should report events as well, and didn't and don't.

Adi
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“one dose of extra time”

which reminded me of the "extra day of simmering"

New Year's Day ?

 
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: ellyd on December 29, 2012, 04:20:51 AM
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I forgot to add this to my post. All of a sudden Murray has 7 yes you saw 7 kids from 5 different women

According to TMZ, CM is father of at least seven kids from six women.
http://www.tmz.com/person/conrad-murray/ (http://www.tmz.com/person/conrad-murray/)

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Conrad Murray

Time and time again the tabloids will fabricate stories during a trial.

Born – February 19, 1953
St. Andrews, Grenada

Catch Phrases: "Don't worry" and "I swear I didn't kill Michael Jackson."

Was hired to be Michael Jackson’s personal physician for his 2009 concert tour, did a great job … with one exception.

Found guilty of involuntarily manslaughtering MJ, sentenced to four years in prison, sleeps in a cell near one of the guys from Debarge.

Has a fondness for snazzy ties, enjoys going to Disneyland, is the father of at least seven children from six different women, isn't nuts about paying child support.

Helped put Propofol on the map … and by “map” … we mean “a list of painkillers people are now deathly afraid of.”

We also know he was an irresponsible father for one son, having missed to pay his child support due to MJ.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/20/conrad-murray-mj-is-the-reason-i-cant-pay/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/20/conrad-murray-mj-is-the-reason-i-cant-pay/)

The child support trial was indeed an excellent rehearsal for the big one.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: ashprak247 on December 29, 2012, 04:21:09 AM
“@ParisJackson: “…and then he greeted Death as an old friend and went with him gladly , and , as equals , they departed this life .” #TaleOfTheThreeBrothers”
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: brunob12 on December 31, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
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“@ParisJackson: “…and then he greeted Death as an old friend and went with him gladly , and , as equals , they departed this life .” #TaleOfTheThreeBrothers”

That's interesting, the Tale of the Three Brothers tell a story about three brothers who, travelling together, reach a treacherous river. They make a magical bridge over the river. Halfway across the bridge, they meet the personification of Death who is angry for losing three potential victims. He pretends to be impressed by them and grants each a wish as a reward. The eldest brother asks for an unbeatable dueling wand, so Death gives him the Elder Wand. The middle brother asks for the ability to resurrect the dead, so Death gives him the Resurrection Stone. The youngest brother doesn't trust Death and asks for a way to stop Death from following him, so Death reluctantly gives him his Cloak of Invisibility. Afterwards, the brothers go their separate ways.
The eldest brother, bragging about his powerful wand, is robbed of it and murdered while he is asleep. The middle brother uses his ability to bring back the woman he loved, who died before he could marry her. However, she is not fully alive and is full of sorrow. He kills himself to join her. As for the youngest brother, Death never manages to find him, as he stays hidden under his Cloak. Many years later, the brother removes his cloak and gives it to his son. Pleased with his achievements, he greets Death as an old friend and chooses to leave with him as equals.

Is it a hint that MJ is still under his "Cloak of Invisibility"?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 09:32:24 PM
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December 20 Tweet: “#MichaelJackson Given that Murray’s Notice of Appeal was filed over a year ago, its unusual for the court not to know his appeal grounds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Appeal Brief is the written document that sets out the grounds on which Murray will claim [h]is conviction was wrong.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray In October, the Appeals Court granted Murray’s lawyer a final extension until Friday 21 December to file his appeal brief.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court made it clear in October that no further extensions of time for filing that Appeal brief would be granted.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court then phoned Deputy Attorney General, Victoria Wilson: any objection to the bail motion to be filed by 31.12. 2012.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray So having made his bail motion, Murray’s lawyers then did exactly what they told would not be allowed by the Court in October.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray Yes, they asked for a 45 day extension in order to file their Appeal Brief. …” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court ruled today ‘Appellant’s December 18, 2012 application to extend time to file the opening brief is denied’.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729)}

December 21 Tweet: “@song_title We don't know formally what he’s actually appealing yet. Assume it’s conviction and sentence. Michael”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576)}

December 21 Tweet: “@lmt4mj There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases. So #conradmurray won’t be.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland News about Conrad Murray Mr. McParland? please?’ No news. No appeal brief was filed by 10.05 pm on the 21st.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?’ No, they’re out of time now, but they’re exploiting the rules
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616)}

December 22 Tweet: “#conradmuray did NOT file his appeal brief with the Court by 21.12.2012 as needed. Check out the rules-spot the gap!  http://t.co/XcPYybDa (http://t.co/XcPYybDa)
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434)}

December 22 Tweet: “@Kyahpooch Hi Mrs S, yes I did. I think Murray will still appeal. Check out my earlier TL about the gap in the rules. Best wishes, M”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912)}

December 23 Tweet: “@MJaddyy Probably released late November time next year, unless his earlier bail application or appeal succeeds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me No. The court has already said there will be no further extensions.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s the 15 day + gap caused by having to write to Murray telling him unless he gets his brief in his appeal will be dismissed.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s not an automatic dismissal. He'll get that one dose of extra time. Won't help his bail application” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769)}

2012 California Rules of Court -- Rule 8.220. Failure to file a brief: “If a party fails to timely file [by 12-21-12] an appellant’s opening brief or a respondent’s brief, the reviewing court clerk must promptly notify the party by mail that the brief must be filed within 15 days after the notice is mailed and that if the party fails to comply, the court may impose one of the following sanctions:  (1) If the brief is an appellant’s opening brief, the court may dismiss the appeal;” {http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220 (http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220)}

Twits from today

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraytwee.jpg)

[...]

Some more recent twits.... Rather interesting ( :icon_albino: ) I'd say!  :icon_e_biggrin:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayvyv.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
And now he tweeted THIIIIS  :affraid:

----> https://twitter.com/MMcParland

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayere.jpg)

 :omg: OK, that does it for me!!  :icon_lol:
 Mr. McParland, you ROCKKKKKKKKK  :elvis-1405:  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: JukeBox on December 31, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
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And now he tweeted THIIIIS  :affraid:

----> https://twitter.com/MMcParland

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayere.jpg)

 :omg: OK, that does it for me!!  :icon_lol:
 Mr. McParland, you ROCKKKKKKKKK  :elvis-1405:  :icon_lol:


!!!! he must be in on this! :D :elvis-1405:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: marumjj on December 31, 2012, 11:16:00 PM
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And now he tweeted THIIIIS  :affraid:

----> https://twitter.com/MMcParland

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayere.jpg)

 :omg: OK, that does it for me!!  :icon_lol:
 Mr. McParland, you ROCKKKKKKKKK  :elvis-1405:  :icon_lol:

wow! I like seeing Elvis / Michael in one tweet, Elvis is amazing is that picture, dedicated to Sim  ;)
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: suspicious mind on January 01, 2013, 01:08:58 AM
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can someone refresh me, did ts ever suggest that he might reveal himself at some point?

Yes, he has. From "TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??"

Quote from: TS
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity.  But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time.  Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not. 
thank you katy :bearhug:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 10:57:31 AM
frikken hilarious re: 7 kids... where were all the other baby momma visits???

hugest LOL ever!


meanwhile, Jono and Sim, loved ur posts on the previous page  :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: heartofgold on January 01, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
This question is for TS, I have read all your posts, they are amazing and very educational, especially the one of DWD. One thing you said Michael would be back in 2012 I do feel you know something what could have happened to him since he did not BAM. So many people relied on your word, and now some are deceived, some don't believe in you anymore. Can you give us a clue as of why Michael did not Bam as you stated in your previous posts?

Wish you Happy New Year, hope you can answer my question.
Much love to you.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on January 02, 2013, 03:53:54 AM
Hang in there guys!  :bearhug:

I stick to my belief: truth will prevail and truth conquers all, including time.

TS wrote:
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TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
« on: December 01, 2010, 04:30:15 PM »


2. Truth Will Prevail

Although I did mention the concept of being tested, I never said that the test would be intentionally false information (to see if anyone would catch it).  That is of course a possibility; but it’s also possible that the only test is whether people will reject true information, without checking it out for themselves.

It is good to see people doing their own research, on some of the subjects that I have previously written (as well as other subjects); I have no complaints about this.  If what I have written is wrong, in time that will become obvious; and if what I have written is truth, in time the “truth will prevail”.

However, just because someone questions or challenges what I have written, don’t expect me to respond impulsively.  In time I will usually answer, especially if nobody else does; but don’t expect any knee-jerk reactions from me, I’ve never operated that way and never will.  Quick reactions are usually emotionally charged, and not well thought out; I like to give time for the dust to settle, and also time for others to find answers—that way people are thinking for themselves, rather than just letting me spoon feed them.  Furthermore, I normally post on key dates and times; and this case is no exception (see section 11, below).

Some have thought that my “return” and “bam” predictions were for the purpose of testing people.  Again, this is possible; but there is another reason, which I won’t reveal until after the bam.  And as I have said before, the “return” did have a double-meaning: one meaning was a possible bam, and the other meaning was “piece by piece” information about the hoax coming together, and especially things about the hoax hitting the media.  This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months.  Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
 
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,16148.0.html

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And as I have said before, the “return” did have a double-meaning: one meaning was a possible bam, and the other meaning was “piece by piece” information about the hoax coming together, and especially things about the hoax hitting the media.  This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months.  Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
 

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23520.msg434050.html#msg434050


I have faith that there must be sufficient reasons that 'nothing happened what most of us have expected' based on TS' words. I tend to believe that in this hoax time isn't as important as truth, though now I think that time and truth go hand in hand and are interwoven more than ever and they might be considered as crucial.

TS:
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Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions.  Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said.  If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.

Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity.  But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time.  Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not. 
 
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,16148.0.html

Keep the faith, the ultimate truth requires time and above all truth will prevail.

(http://www.great-hall.com/images/smilies/grouphugg.gif)

LOVE always
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: emulik on January 02, 2013, 10:35:47 AM
@Everlastinglove...I like your positive thinking!  :bearhug:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 04, 2013, 11:23:07 AM
Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595

AND

2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: susieMJ on January 04, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595

AND

2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

I think he asked for the mailing address just to sound legit...but IMO he knew that nobody will answer the challenge and prove his calculations were false, so i guess he knew right away that nobody will give him their address, so it's rather insignificant... The fact is nobody ever won the prize and had to send their mail address ;)
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 04, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595

AND

2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

I think he asked for the mailing address just to sound legit...but IMO he knew that nobody will answer the challenge and prove his calculations were false, so i guess he knew right away that nobody will give him their address, so it's rather insignificant... The fact is nobody ever won the prize and had to send their mail address ;)

But I find it very brave from his side to have asked for the mailing address after the statement made to the members about not giving our personal data to anyone.
Thank you susieMJ.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Jowayria on January 04, 2013, 11:59:21 AM
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How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

Mysetrious , odd , peculiar but not contradictory . His asking for the mailing adress implies that he knew that no one would ever be able to prove his theories to be wrong ( mainly the ones about numerology and the connection between MJ and Elvis ) . As he said it in his post , it was him challenging the critics .

What I still find kind of baffling till this day is him referring to himself as " we" . I mean we know that his theories must be a work of a collective intelligence but how many people are behind TS' posts . Besides, if TS and Front know each other , does it mean that behind Front's account are a "lot " of people as well ?
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: susieMJ on January 04, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595

AND

2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

I think he asked for the mailing address just to sound legit...but IMO he knew that nobody will answer the challenge and prove his calculations were false, so i guess he knew right away that nobody will give him their address, so it's rather insignificant... The fact is nobody ever won the prize and had to send their mail address ;)

But I find it very brave from his side to have asked for the mailing address after the statement made to the members about not giving our personal data to anyone.
Thank you susieMJ.

I see what you mean, but if he really wanted to reward someone, he had to ask for a personal info somehow...
But anyway, it's true that TS is very contradictory- all those statements that he will not post under TS_comments until bam, and then he does; predicting bams that don't happen...there's a long list of all the inconsistencies... I'm not saying he's fake, bcs he's done a pretty good job here, but I find it kind of strange how he keeps "playing with words" and choosing terms that can be interpreted in various ways... I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....I rly hope he won't give up...
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: heartofgold on January 04, 2013, 04:34:25 PM
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December 20 Tweet: “#MichaelJackson Given that Murray’s Notice of Appeal was filed over a year ago, its unusual for the court not to know his appeal grounds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281884683921412097)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Appeal Brief is the written document that sets out the grounds on which Murray will claim [h]is conviction was wrong.”
{
https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281185321503297536)}


Strange feeling that Mr. Michael McParland could be our famous TS?? What you guys think. As u can see TS writes like someone with lots of knowledge and McParland does the same. Just saying.  

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray In October, the Appeals Court granted Murray’s lawyer a final extension until Friday 21 December to file his appeal brief.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184528469483520)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court made it clear in October that no further extensions of time for filing that Appeal brief would be granted.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281184894644793344)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court then phoned Deputy Attorney General, Victoria Wilson: any objection to the bail motion to be filed by 31.12. 2012.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281193202168516608)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray So having made his bail motion, Murray’s lawyers then did exactly what they told would not be allowed by the Court in October.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195042033504256)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray Yes, they asked for a 45 day extension in order to file their Appeal Brief. …” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281195855199997952)}

December 18 Tweet: “#conradmurray The Court ruled today ‘Appellant’s December 18, 2012 application to extend time to file the opening brief is denied’.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/281198756907593729)}

December 21 Tweet: “@song_title We don't know formally what he’s actually appealing yet. Assume it’s conviction and sentence. Michael”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282228230646296576)}

December 21 Tweet: “@lmt4mj There is normally no testimony on appeal- just points of law, apart from exceptional, new evidence cases. So #conradmurray won’t be.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282230459528777728)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland News about Conrad Murray Mr. McParland? please?’ No news. No appeal brief was filed by 10.05 pm on the 21st.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282372603002372096)}

December 21 Tweet: “‘@juliamjfan: @MMcParland but they have until dec 31st if I am not mistaking?’ No, they’re out of time now, but they’re exploiting the rules
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282376575859695616)}

December 22 Tweet: “#conradmuray did NOT file his appeal brief with the Court by 21.12.2012 as needed. Check out the rules-spot the gap!  http://t.co/XcPYybDa (http://t.co/XcPYybDa)
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282439894985490434)}

December 22 Tweet: “@Kyahpooch Hi Mrs S, yes I did. I think Murray will still appeal. Check out my earlier TL about the gap in the rules. Best wishes, M”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282640520277286912)}

December 23 Tweet: “@MJaddyy Probably released late November time next year, unless his earlier bail application or appeal succeeds.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282807546048282624)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me No. The court has already said there will be no further extensions.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282920066440384513)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s the 15 day + gap caused by having to write to Murray telling him unless he gets his brief in his appeal will be dismissed.”
{https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282922937516961793)}

December 23 Tweet: “@Ilive4u4me it’s not an automatic dismissal. He'll get that one dose of extra time. Won't help his bail application” {https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769 (https://twitter.com/MMcParland/status/282923492809248769)}

2012 California Rules of Court -- Rule 8.220. Failure to file a brief: “If a party fails to timely file [by 12-21-12] an appellant’s opening brief or a respondent’s brief, the reviewing court clerk must promptly notify the party by mail that the brief must be filed within 15 days after the notice is mailed and that if the party fails to comply, the court may impose one of the following sanctions:  (1) If the brief is an appellant’s opening brief, the court may dismiss the appeal;” {http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220 (http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=eight&linkid=rule8_220)}

Twits from today

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraytwee.jpg)

[...]

Some more recent twits.... Rather interesting ( :icon_albino: ) I'd say!  :icon_e_biggrin:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayvyv.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 04, 2013, 04:57:17 PM
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How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

Mysetrious , odd , peculiar but not contradictory . His asking for the mailing adress implies that he knew that no one would ever be able to prove his theories to be wrong ( mainly the ones about numerology and the connection between MJ and Elvis ) . As he said it in his post , it was him challenging the critics .

What I still find kind of baffling till this day is him referring to himself as " we" . I mean we know that his theories must be a work of a collective intelligence but how many people are behind TS' posts . Besides, if TS and Front know each other , does it mean that behind Front's account are a "lot " of people as well ?

He says "we" because he is including us in his team I don't think there are more than a person behind TS.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 04, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595

AND

2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

I think he asked for the mailing address just to sound legit...but IMO he knew that nobody will answer the challenge and prove his calculations were false, so i guess he knew right away that nobody will give him their address, so it's rather insignificant... The fact is nobody ever won the prize and had to send their mail address ;)

But I find it very brave from his side to have asked for the mailing address after the statement made to the members about not giving our personal data to anyone.
Thank you susieMJ.

I see what you mean, but if he really wanted to reward someone, he had to ask for a personal info somehow...
But anyway, it's true that TS is very contradictory- all those statements that he will not post under TS_comments until bam, and then he does; predicting bams that don't happen...there's a long list of all the inconsistencies... I'm not saying he's fake, bcs he's done a pretty good job here, but I find it kind of strange how he keeps "playing with words" and choosing terms that can be interpreted in various ways... I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....I rly hope he won't give up...



TS September 2010
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer

TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?”  And yes, summer is nearly over.  So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

This is the proof that TS could be fake (until proven otherwise), he has predicted BAM more than once and BAM never happened.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: marumjj on January 04, 2013, 08:18:14 PM
Hey guys, I refuse to even think of TS as false reporting, but the forum was active in the 12-31-12 and no further sign of him, that worries me a bit, but, Why, never before questioned the veracity of his statements?
I respect their opinions, but also, TS has the right to reply, we should not judge, maybe us the honor of writing again.   :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: bec on January 04, 2013, 09:03:14 PM
I have questioned the veracity of his statements for years, and all along the years. I don't question his character or his intent, but I do question the accuracy of his words, always have. He will agree to that. I've been nothing but a (charming and respectful) ever-present pain in his ass. Or maybe just a mere annoyance  :icon_lol: I didn't always do a very good job at challenging him, I'm usually wrong.

But I missed this one:

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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1934.msg27595.html#msg27595

AND

2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

Sunset is right. TS totally contradicted himself right there. You don't need a mailing address to send money online, you only need a Paypal account, or equivalent. BINGO, Sunset, good job. He should never have asked for a mailing address. What if some kid really thought they could do the math and thought they proved him wrong n sought to claim the reward and DID send their real address? Of course he wouldn't do anything with it, but what about the next person who comes along in this way? That blatant contradiction is more proof that he IS a fake informer and we SHOULD beware of him, by his own words. He's been trying to tell us for a long time now, "I am a fake informer", I think THAT's the lesson of TIAI. Well one of them any way.

BUT AGAIN, let this be crystal clear: To this day I do not question the person behind TS/TS_comment's screenname's character. I do believe he is a good person with good intent. I do not believe he wishes anyone harm in any way, I think he seeks only to educate. That aspect of TS/TS_comments is, and always has been, legitimate, I have no doubt. And yes, I have greatly enjoyed participating in this project all these years and no, I have no regrets about it.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: paula-c on January 04, 2013, 09:04:09 PM
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I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....



in fact I think we already left that, and this leaves a teaching, not to believe everything he says us TS or any other person
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: bec on January 04, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
Oh and ps. I have no doubt he will be back. In time, he is always back.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 04, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
Question for TS.

No need to justify no bam by 01.01.13, JMO it is irrelevant and unnecessary, but can you please exaplain your PERSONAL definition of a "Fake Informer" :icon_e_wink:


THANKS IN ADVANCE.



Great post Bec. Educate. By forcing us to look for truth amongst the murkiness, that he himself creates.
I also think he might be enjoying the show... watching us squirm... LOL

Meanwhile imagine how funny it would be if a kid actually outstaged everyone and solved it... ha.

 

:smiley_abuv: to you TS - we know your intentions are pure / for entertainment / education - not grooming a bunch of misguided followers on the net - THANK YOU for being here!

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: bec on January 04, 2013, 10:18:46 PM
Oh sure, there's some entertainment going on for sure too. Edutainment.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 04, 2013, 10:44:00 PM
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I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....


in fact I think we already left that, and this leaves a teaching, not to believe everything he says us TS or any other person


bingo
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: MJonmind on January 05, 2013, 07:09:07 AM
Sweetsunset, great catch on TS’s contradiction on sending him personal info!  Hope he’ll respond to it.
I know Scorpionchik once accused him of having all kinds of contradictions, and he defended himself there.

One thing about this 'failed' Bam promise, or verification of TS as 'fake informer', it has made most of us more wary (maybe weary too :icon_lol:), and less bold about our beLIEfs, perhaps more eyes and ears peeled to all possible subtle things/illusions going on.   
Like MJ is saying,
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Were now prepared to take you to the next level, 2000 watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, (Are you ready?) Voltage, high,  Aaahh!
,

TS knew back in 2010 he would be posting the 7 signs in 2012.  I think he's got everything mapped out, with dead-ends and decoys, etc.  Maybe with this Bam-'fail', like a bucking horse, he intended to shake a few off, and see who could still hang on.
Well TS, we're still here, hanging on.  You couldn't get rid of us!!!


Quote
Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer

TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?”  And yes, summer is nearly over.  So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?

However, although the critics will no doubt be eager to use this reasoning as soon as summer is over, there is one minor problem with this reasoning—and that problem is the following list of the others who would also have to be fake, using the same basic reasoning: Jermaine, 5 Brothers, TMZ, Paris, Ortega, Janet, and even MJ himself!

Jermaine’s “The Tribute” has said “coming SOON” for about a year now {http://http://www.thetribute2010.com/}; actually, it was originally titled The Tribute 2009 {http://http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22the+tribute+2009%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5d0b50e146560710}.  The “5 Brothers Enterprises” website—with BAM illustrated visually and in the audio—has also said “coming SOON” since December 2009 {http://http://www.whois.net/whois/5brothersenterprises.com}.

TMZ had a “big clue” for January 18, 2010; but nothing happened {http://http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/; http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391}.  And in the same month (January 2010), Paris said “Daddy was supposed to be here.  Daddy was going to perform this year.” {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5024}

Many already know about Kenny Ortega’s tweet: “Smee: Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out and the flowers are all in bloom Captain Hook: He’s back” {Sep 1st, 2009 via web; http://http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3684282550}.  This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {http://http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897}.

Now if MJ were really dead, then we wouldn’t pay much attention to these tweets from Kenny; but if MJ is alive, then the first tweet was indeed a clue—and the second one was to deter further questioning.  It is true that the first tweet doesn’t give a specific year, it only mentions springtime; however, unless he was referring to the very next spring (2010), then this tweet was essentially pointless—because it could be ANY spring from now until forever.

On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”
{Jun 14th via web; http://http://twitter.com/JanetJackson/status/16174141128, verified account}.  What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”?  Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered?  If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already.  Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth.  Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.

Last but not least, MJ himself said at the London press conference: “see you in July”!  If he really died, then this was merely a reference to the planned concerts in July 2009; but if he was planning a fake death, then the “July” did not refer to 2009.  Of course he didn’t say what year, just like Kenny’s tweet; but once again, if MJ didn’t mean July 2010, then it could be any year—and therefore it would be practically meaningless.

Actually, if you’re going to include all of the above as fake MJ hoax informers, then you might as well include Dr. Hinton as a fake Elvis hoax informer; because Dr. Hinton—the very one who helped write the book with Elvis/Jesse—said Elvis would come out publicly in the year 2002, but it didn’t happen {http://http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.

And what about attorney Mayoras, who is an informer with Eliza’s case?  Back in May he said: “Eliza Presley’s court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer. … Stay tuned until this summer.  That’s when the real fun begins.” {http://http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}.  Summer is about over, so does “this summer” make him a fake informer?  By the way “This Summer” is the exact phrase that I used in my Update #6—along with two question marks {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.

Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases.  She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm}.

Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities.  And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
 There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.

What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}.  This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.

Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010.  “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story?  [Jermaine:] Yes!  Yes!  You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.

Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already).  But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.

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I’m not going to take the time and space in this post, to explain the latest set of redirects; most of them were understood correctly anyway.  For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}.  Also, don’t expect more redirects—at least not until there are significant developments with the Elvis/Eliza or MJ/Murray cases.

Meanwhile, anyone can promote this $999 reward through any method that you want.  But please do NOT reference http://http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com for the $999 reward, because sooner or later it will probably get redirected away from this post.  Instead, use http://http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com for the $999 reward (and I will ask Mo & Souza to put a link from that page to this post).

... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,

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Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 05, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer

TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?”  And yes, summer is nearly over.  So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14058.msg234443.html#msg234443

This is the proof that TS could be fake (until proven otherwise), he has predicted BAM more than once and BAM never happened.


BAM = BE AWARE OF MALICIOUS
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: heartofgold on January 05, 2013, 11:45:37 AM
I looked up who is TS ELIOT  Thomas Stearns Eliot he was a publisher playwright, literary. Born in September 26 1888 I was just curious who this person would be> I remember TS did write a post and signed it TS Eliot. I wonder why he chose this name.  :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: emulik on January 05, 2013, 12:56:24 PM
I am so proud on us as a group here! although we came across hard times and our faith has been tested many times, we are still strong and united!
Keep it going!
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Sarahli on January 05, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: JukeBox on January 05, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
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When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.

My sentiments as well, Sarahli.

Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: emulik on January 05, 2013, 01:17:38 PM

there must be indeed some complications which leaded to cancellation of Bam..TS looked so confident about Bam being till january 1, 2013, my intuition tells me there is more to the story, but we are not able to see behind the curtain, it could be dangerous to tell us every detail, we know that many people are watching and reading here..
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Andrea on January 05, 2013, 01:35:53 PM
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When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.


I see it that way too - that the BAM was supposed to happen before 1/1/13 but complications arose so the deadline was extended.  Ok, fair enough, things happen.  Can't control everything.


But I also see it that TS knew the BAM wouldn't happen by that date and that he would be called a "fake informer" for whatever reasons, probably to show that some of what he's written isn't necessarily true in regards to the hoax.  For him to say in August 2011 that a BAM would happen before/by 1/1/13 knowing that it wouldn't happen then isn't really a stretch when it comes to long-term talking with TS.  He wrote in December 2009 about the Ark of the Covenant, saying he'd go into further detail about it - which he did, in January 2012 (Sign 1).  So long-term forethought with TS is not uncommon.  And I can see the false BAM date being a way to shake our faith.  Again, I'm reminded of the last paragraph from Sign 1 where he says that faith and only faith will win.

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For those who choose Michael’s side, Michael Himself has made this amazing promise, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne …” (Revelation 3:21; see 22:1-5; 1 Samuel 2:7,8; Matthew 25:31; 20:21-23; Mark 10:37-40). Yes, Lucifer got kicked out of heaven for demanding a seat upon God’s throne; he failed the test of faith. But for those who pass the test of faith, Jesus will give them the very same thing which Lucifer demanded, and yet never received—the privilege to sit on God’s throne! This is not a message of fear, it’s a message of faith, a faith that will conquer Lucifer and all who take sides with him. This is what the final battle is all about; the battle where faith and only faith will win the victory and prize: to sit with God on His throne—this is the battle, the final battle, the battle of Armageddon!!!!!!! 

http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.0
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: susieMJ on January 05, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
I still think that it's possible that TS comes back... Logically, whether he's a fake or a genuine informer, he'll not stop posting in the most intense moment of this hoax - I mean, if you like playing with people or you have an important info to share - this is the very right moment when the people will follow you and get your message... Just look at us - we're going crazy and whether we consider TS as fake or not - he'll for sure get huuuge attention if he replies right now...Front came back - it was a lot simplier for him than for TS as a single poem was sufficient to "calm us" and give us hope... The thing is different with TS - he knows very well that we'll not let him go with a poem, ambiguous text etc - he knows we'll yell for explanations and many will criticize him - it surely won't be easy for him. Maybe that's why he's not posting anything now - maybe he waits for something (the "complications" being "solved" or the postponed bam finally happening) to explain everything... There's a thing that makes me wonder too - why a fake informer would take such a risk (after being followed for years) to predict a 100% bam that would put all his reputation at stake. That would be a strange behaviour, because even without this deadline we'll still follow him...unless, and i'm just thinking out loud here, he was tired of all the hoax and all the attention he was getting as a fake informer and just wanted to set a deadline for himself - like "i'm doing this till 2013 and then it's over"...that would make sense but somehow i feel TS takes this hoax more seriously and will not let this all finish this way... In fact his last redirect about CM isn't pointing to an end, but rather to a beginning - I feel there are many things in the making - something for sure will happen (or at least I hope so)...
As for "learning a lesson not to believe anyone" I think this whole hoax is a huge lesson in itself, even if TS turns out to be fake, that will not teach me not to trust anyone - that will just be an example of the hoax message (do not trust the media etc)... And I do not believe that anyone on this forum fully believed TS, I mean - we can't even fully trust the family, so what about TS - a total stranger...?
Time will tell but as far as bam and TS are concerned, better know later than never ;)
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Sarahli on January 05, 2013, 02:35:16 PM
Andrea, I see what you mean, it’s difficult to know what’s really going on, what is the plan ultimately, we know so little ... I’m just thinking that it was the 1st time TS was absolutely certain about a date to the point of putting his “reputation at stake”, lol. But you may be right of course, I am not sure about what would be under test with that, it could be our faith indeed but I don't see for what reason. I also think that we maybe see the Hoax as essentially concentrated in the ARG part and this forum, but there must many other projects that must be getting attention. We don't really know how it can interfere.

Now if there are no real complications and this is all a test it could also be to see how easily (or not) people would jump on the TS is fake bandwagon just based on this failed prediction? Without contradicting or proving him wrong with evidence. To think that TS’s info may be fake based on this means that only his status gives or removes credence to his theories and not their logic or lack thereof. I just don't see how the absence of BAM disproves TS' theories. But anyway, given how level 7 was going in circles it may just be that in the end we believe what makes the most sense for us. We were asked think for ourselves after all.  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Its her on January 05, 2013, 02:46:26 PM
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I looked up who is TS ELIOT  Thomas Stearns Eliot he was a publisher playwright, literary. Born in September 26 1888 I was just curious who this person would be> I remember TS did write a post and signed it TS Eliot. I wonder why he chose this name.  :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot

Hi Heartofgold,

 Say, WHICH post of T.S.' did he sign like that (TS Eliot) ?????????? I looked, but it's taking me too long.  :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:

Another thing...and maybe someone already highlighted this :icon_e_smile:, but, I'm pretty sure TS is a good guy here, so all I needed to do was explain away the little faux pas about the BAM date, to still believe he is one of the good guys (inside). How many times have we been burned by bogus BAM dates and YET we fell for another one, at our own TS' hands! Suckers! ha ha , you know I love you, so no hard feelings, eh? We just are very sweet, innocent, HOPEFUL, excited hoaxers!!! NO shame implied, at all, but in fun, TSK TSK. ;) But I think TS MEANT to reveal that we are too trusting just yet---just because we think we know HIM!! (He COULD be a boogeyman, kids. We don't know. just because he is very nice, and sophisticated, educated, religious, maybe, and has a three year investment here with us, as we all do...Time here, alone, doesn't make him trustworthy, for real. Some serial killers have proven to be very patient , methodical deceivers...btw. All that really tells me that he is trustworthy is that our famous watchgurl, Souza has not run him off as a poser or opportunist. That IS something to bank on, even while all his other personality and character traits seem to validate her trust in him. I trust her instincts about her own forum (there is a cosmic principle there :icon_e_geek:), and, I DO trust TS, because I am pretty much anonymous to him, and so, safe, AND because i just want to trust him. :icon_albino: We have to trust someone in the Hoax Coach. Suspicion taking root, can make ya NUTS. :suspect:

That said, what I started to say about the words "Fake Informer" is that I think TS meant "fake" as a noun of its own, that is, any OTHER untruths, not an adjective describing himself. He is an "Informer" (noun), revealing the fake (a separate noun). Well, he certainly exposed a fake BAM, when it didn't happen. And really, it made sense too, for the date to be a good one, but, really, it's just another teaching exercise, eh? Sorry if I am repeating someone (I haven't read everything yet :icon_e_smile: ). It is worth repeating, anyway, to sprinkle some relief about! :)  Hi T.S. (don't make me sorry :'(,  :icon_albino:    :icon_e_biggrin:). 
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on January 05, 2013, 03:11:08 PM
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How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

Mysetrious , odd , peculiar but not contradictory . His asking for the mailing adress implies that he knew that no one would ever be able to prove his theories to be wrong ( mainly the ones about numerology and the connection between MJ and Elvis ) . As he said it in his post , it was him challenging the critics .

What I still find kind of baffling till this day is him referring to himself as " we" . I mean we know that his theories must be a work of a collective intelligence but how many people are behind TS' posts . Besides, if TS and Front know each other , does it mean that behind Front's account are a "lot " of people as well ?

He says "we" because he is including us in his team I don't think there are more than a person behind TS.

I've always thought that TS is some combination of Michael, Marlon, & Jermaine....but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: Jowayria on January 05, 2013, 03:12:45 PM
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in the end we believe what makes the most sense for us. We were asked think for ourselves after all.  :icon_e_wink:

I so agree with you on this one . We believe not what we see or what we're exposed to , but what we decide / choose to believe . If there's anyone to blame it must be ourselves for letting things get out of our control . In all of their / his posts TS and Front asked us  not to take their /his words as the absolute truth , Front even dared ask us to doubt him .. could he have been any clearer ? it was a loud shout that we shouldn't believe EVERYTHING with which they have been feeding us . However , I still believe that this "delay" is a part of the play . For me , it seems so thematic ! Planned and well organised ( just like a member whose name I fail to remember right now said in another thread ) To be honest , I don't think there were any complications even though Front said so . We know how perfectionist and thoughtful Michael is , he wouldn't let things be on his way . And by the way , isn't today the 5th January ? Why nothing has been said about the extension of 15 days that Murray's lawyer was granted ? TMZ has been publishing non sense stuff since TS posted those tweets about the extension ( the DL , Ola Ray getting paid ..) as if they're trying to keep us busy while something is being cooked behind the curtains .
Title: Re: TIAI December 27
Post by: bec on January 05, 2013, 06:39:05 PM
TS/TS_comments never signed anything TS Eliot. That's false info.

To me it's pretty crystal clear. It's a game, and all this time TS/TS_comments was playing the part of "fake" informer. Problem is, it's not so black n white. Some of the info is fake, some is not. It's up to the player to determine true from false. Now that's a twist!

It's pretty clever. I'm sure his old posts are chock full of more little nuggets like the one Sunset found. Cuz you really can't deny that, that's a complete contradiction... with the only plausible explanation being that he wrote it that way on purpose. We all know TS/TS_comments is extremely careful in his choice of words and extremely methodical in his execution.

We all add our own inflection to the written word. Words on a screen or piece of paper are not just words. They are thoughts n feelings n pictures n emotions. Some are transmitted by the author but the reader always brings their own mood to the table. A simple example is when something here on the forum gets "taken the wrong way". Sometimes the author was in error but other times, the reader submitted an emotion to the words that was solely one sided.

Because usually when I read a post from TS/TS_comments, I WANTED to believe something. Ever skeptical of him but still... I believe in his character so I always really wanted to believe what he was writing was genuine info. Actors use lies to tell the truth... perhaps that's why TS was always such a fan of V for Vendetta. Sure the FBI does sting operations on bad guys. Sure the Illuminati rule the world and take out enemies of their operation. Sure MJ was a target of people trying to embezzle or defraud him. And sure, LaToya's husband really was a crooked, evil man who probably really did want MJ out of the way just to hurt her.

Anyway point being, that's what I think. TS/TS_comments spun us a tangled web of lies (devil's advocate) n truth n now we get to sift through it all.

Oh but he will be back. Not to worry. He is always back.
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