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Hoax Theories => The Double Theory => Topic started by: YoungMack on June 09, 2012, 04:08:32 PM

Title: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 09, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
Just curious.... I have watched the movie numerous times
And I only see the real MJ in there a few times. None of which
In my opinion were on stage. So if that's true could It be that at the
End when he mentions 4 years to save the planet..... Could
Possibly be another clue that some of it was filmed in 2008
and 2012 being a major turning point for the world. Don't know
............ Just a thought!!!
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 09, 2012, 04:41:12 PM
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Just curious.... I have watched the movie numerous times
And I only see the real MJ in there a few times. None of which
In my opinion were on stage. So if that's true could It be that at the
End when he mentions 4 years to save the planet..... Could
Possibly be another clue that some of it was filmed in 2008
and 2012 being a major turning point for the world. Don't know
............ Just a thought!!!

So if they filmed TII in 2008 what does it has to do with Michael being or not on stage?, you are quoting two different issues in one sentence. TII could be filmed in 2008 but then it wouldn't be a real clue because TII was released Oct 28th 2009 and Michael using doubles I don't think so, the lighting from the stage reflects shadows that can change some features of your face and/or body, lights can make your body skinnier or fattier.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 09, 2012, 04:59:29 PM
Well its been priven by Joe Jackson first off that doubles were used for the film.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 09, 2012, 05:53:38 PM
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Well its been priven by Joe Jackson first off that doubles were used for the film.

That's to provoke controversy so everybody pay attention to TII movie.  :affraid:
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Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 09, 2012, 05:57:13 PM
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Well its been priven by Joe Jackson first off that doubles were used for the film.

You mean the Joe Jackson who still says Michael is dead?
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 10, 2012, 08:43:32 PM
Haaha yeah.... He cant really say otherwise the hoax wouldnt really work....
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 12:26:49 AM
my point exactly. lots of things they say are to support / involved with hoax... so all should be taken wit a grain of salt and not viewed as gospel.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 07:52:42 AM
I undrstand.... But ive went over that movie many many times and I
Personally can tell that none of those on stage performers are MJ......
Just my opinion.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 08:00:29 AM
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I undrstand.... But ive went over that movie many many times and I
Personally can tell that none of those on stage performers are MJ......
Just my opinion.


wow.. how confident you are... not "SOME" of those performers arent MJ, but even that "NONE" are mj....

with respect, i suggest you watch again mack.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: AnaMarcia on June 11, 2012, 09:32:25 AM
Michael is in the film in most scenes. And he is very much beautiful!



(http://falandodemichaeljackson.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/this-is-it-documentario-sobre-michael-jackson.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8100000/This-Is-It-michael-jackson-8197314-1400-788.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BezYBvWtYWU/0.jpg)



 It's so sad to think that he disappear so beautiful!
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 11, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
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I undrstand.... But ive went over that movie many many times and I
Personally can tell that none of those on stage performers are MJ......
Just my opinion.

So TII is a fraud? So is it not true the slogan: The Michael Jackson you have never seen before?? should be :icon_arrow: The Michael Jackson's impersonators you have never seen before.
This movie has a dark lighting so shadows plays tricks, the only impersonator is the one playing on "The smooth criminal" the one that jumps through the window.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 11, 2012, 10:34:44 AM
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Michael is in the film in most scenes. And he is very much beautiful!



(http://falandodemichaeljackson.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/this-is-it-documentario-sobre-michael-jackson.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8100000/This-Is-It-michael-jackson-8197314-1400-788.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BezYBvWtYWU/0.jpg)



 It's so sad to think that he disappear so beautiful!

Beautiful indeed and so, so humble.  I love it when he says let’s go over that just one more time, that’s why we have rehearsals and then he giggles, smiles and continues on.  Such a champion.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 11:23:09 AM
Im not gonna go back and forth... everyone has their own opinion
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 11:30:38 AM
U should rewatch it and pay attention to the dancing.... Mj has never and will never dance like that. He paid 4 million to get plasti. Surgery for one of his impersonators to look more like him..... so the looks are not hard to double but the moves are one of a kind
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: marumjj on June 11, 2012, 01:39:17 PM
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U debe rewatch y prestar atención a la danza .... Mj no tiene y nunca va a bailar así. Él pagó 4 millones para obtener plasti. La cirugía para uno de sus imitadores para ver más como él ..... por lo que las miradas no son difíciles de duplicar, pero los movimientos son uno de los tipos

You can prove where you got that information?
(http://falandodemichaeljackson.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/this-is-it-documentario-sobre-michael-jackson.jpg)

As beautiful Michael! The Real King of Pop ♥








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Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 01:51:08 PM
What info marumjj???
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 04:29:10 PM
She is talking about what Mack overly confidently claims in post #13.


I too won't be going back and forth. Besides I don't do "ignorant" anymore life is too short.


One suggestion. Drop the cockiness and know it all attitude and you will learn more about MJ than you could have hoped for.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
Woman u dont know anything about me.... hahahahah ill just stay how
i am.... Thanks though.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Im spereading my opinion... if you dont like it thats cool. Just
dont act like you know my personality by posting my thoughts on
thia website... THAT is ignorant... ty and come again
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MaryK on June 11, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
Aussie and Mack, please sort this out in private, by pm.

Thank you.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 05:00:08 PM
Not sure where you are from but to address someone as woman is offensive.


It's not your difference of opinion that I take issue with I assure you. It's the delivery.

Have seen it in a number of your posts.

A little bit of grace would go a long way
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
Sorry Mary saw you posted while I was posting.

No worries



I still stand by what I say and make no apologies but will not post further to mack
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MJonmind on June 11, 2012, 05:07:27 PM
YoungMack, I honestly thought like you in the beginning, and especially when I went to the theater and saw it for the first time. I cringed every time Orange Pants danced, because I thought it was so poor an imitation.  But over time, and watching it over in pieces here in the forum, analyzing it, discussing it the way we did here, I completely changed my mind. I 100% believe it was all Michael, but he was as usual doing little things to purposely throw people into confusion about his identity. He's been doing this for decades, not to say that he hasn't used doubles for certain things like leading away the paps, and doing disappearing acts on stage.  He's a master of illusion, disguise, etc. but I don't believe he will give away the prize chief roles to another. He is the star, the genius, the master, and as he sings "second to none".

I appreciate having you here, because you've kept your cool and respect, even though people disagreed with you! Everyone here appreciates fair and pleasant discussion and debate, even when there's a disagreement. NO one wants to hear when it gets nasty.
"Woman", is abrupt, and sexist to women, though. Please don't use that term here.

Blessings!  Enjoy the mind-altering adventure of everything MJ has planned and prepared for us, in all it's magical genius brilliance!
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 05:26:16 PM
I cant believe how rediculous you are being. I came here to post my thoughts and ooinions
About MJ not to make friends... Some of you are awesome but im not gonna have anyone consider my opinion ignorant.... Thats disrespect..... so i in turn disrespectd u!!!!! If you dont like my posts or beliefs in this hoax thats cool...... Dont say im wrong or right or ignorant for thinking it.... THAT is ignorant. Who made any of you experts on this hoax anyways????? None of us know if we are right ir wrong because the FACTS arent there. Thanks for the debate though.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: paula-c on June 11, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
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U should rewatch it and pay attention to the dancing.... Mj has never and will never dance like that. He paid 4 million to get plasti. Surgery for one of his impersonators to look more like him..... so the looks are not hard to double but the moves are one of a kind


nobody from that group is an expert and is owner of absolute truth, the only thing that we have are theories.

As you know that Michael would not make a thing as well? :icon_eek:




And finally, try to keep the discussion on cordial terms
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
@MJonmind. your humble and mild nature remind me of the qualities i need to work on   :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface:


@youngmack. upon seeing MJonmind's example of mild temperdness, it made me realise that i errd when i inferred you are ignorant.

please note, it wast the opinion i took issue with. it was your delivery. something one should be mindful of

however, i suggested you show some grace... and upon reading my own comments, i see that i did not display it myself when i called you ignorant. for that i apologise.

i appreciate that you believe that MJ did not feature in TII and I differ in opinion. you opinion i respect. its the way it was said that rubbed me up the wrong way, but perhaps it simply got lost in translation

nevertheless i extend peace to you

 :smiley-vault-misc-150:


Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 11, 2012, 07:09:45 PM
I think there are all types of illusions.  Long before the movie TII, during the movie and still going.  It's designed to teach us all kinds of lessons.   Like don't believe everything you see and hear.  Don't judge a book by it's cover.    Telling truth from fact and so on.............


Thanks Mike             :th_bravo:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 11:15:30 PM
Mjonmymind i feel ya... i didnt think like that at first when i saw it but something was weird
i got an awkward feeling when i watched it at first and i didnt know why. It wasnt until i started watching and watching it with different intensions everytime to try and point out different things i may have not seen at first. Then joe jackson said that about the doubles and it msde me watch it again...... then BOOM it hit me when i watched the dancing and just weird mannerisms. I studied the cameras, angles, scenes, each stage character orange pants etc......,. Once i started watching it was ovious to me. Then i started thinking........ That would be what i wanted
To do as an artist..... make a movie about myself but direct it and teach the actors or impersonators how to be EXACTLY like me without actually having to act in it. Sees EVERY SHOT
Andhow it looks on camera.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 11:22:33 PM
As for the drama.... i never had a problen w anyone and def wont be disrespected
by anyone. I am an easygoing laid back dude. I just want to figure this damn hoax out
And make sure my boy, inpspiration, and brother MJ is ok.  I accept your apology aussie i appreciate it. There is no reason for anyone to get upset at someones elses theory or
opinion because NO ONE knows the truth not souza, pearl jr, mo, front, back....... Only God
and the people MJ want to know are the only ones who have the truth.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 11, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
And for the record.... The only stage character from the movie I think could possiblly be MJ
Is the MAIN one who they show 85% of the time on stage. And in my opinion its the double that MJ paid for his plastic surgeory who was already an impersonator who had been practicing being like MJ for years..... That seema to be a legit reason to pay that much for someone to look more like you. But thats just my opinion. None of us..... which SUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 12, 2012, 02:42:57 AM
You're right there! No one I guess wants to be disrespected. All of us need therefore to be respectful :)


Hey Mack, so what are your thoughts on 02 mike?
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 12, 2012, 02:49:23 AM
And I'm referring to the stride and the fist pumping "this is it"

I personally believe 02 MJ is legit. But manerisims and behavior out of character. Yet teeth examination indicate its mike.

Doesn't this make it plausible that TII mike is possibly legit, even though some of his moves appear out of character?

Interested on your thoughts on this point
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Post by: marumjj on June 12, 2012, 06:04:03 AM
YoungMack I meant his post # 13. I just want to know the source of such information, because if so, this reinforces even more deception. With that purpose MJ trasformaria a double spending 4 million? It is a considerable sum and only justifies a major reason "the deception of the plan.", Would be nice if you gave your source to locate in time and space of this hoax. And again my mind who came to UCLA :suspect:
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Post by: annieareyouokannie on June 12, 2012, 06:54:58 AM
Australian MJ Believer, Im glad someone else mentions about the teeth. I have been saying for ages that its MJ at the O2, because of his wider tooth on the bottom row of his teeth. As for the rehersals, I also believe it is Michael all of the time. Yes some of his moves are a bit strange and different, but maybe he did this on purpose, or maybe he was just feeling different on these occasions.
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Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 12, 2012, 07:04:00 AM
I must give credit to bec here. I actually thought it was an impersonator as something was off for me at 02. The walk and fist pumping mostly didn't sit well with me. When I first landed here mid last year that was one of the first things I was curious about. I researched some of the old threads / forums. Funny bec Went to prove that it wasn't MJ but a teeth comparison showed it was MJ and perhaps the behaviour was deliberate to throw us off and create controversy. So thank you bec ;) although I'm sure many others have made the teeth connection too. In fact there are a few YT videos abt the connection.

So with all this in mind, MJ being out of character at 02, it's completely plausible that it was MJ in TII too. (for me it's a fact perhaps others such as our friend Mack, something to ponder :icon_e_wink: )
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 12, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Honestly I havent looked into that too much.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 12, 2012, 08:49:54 AM
Did anyone notice how blurry and smuged almost some of this footage was? How come??? It was shot in HD wasnt it? And we already know it is an all out full length feature film not
"Private videos" for MJs home collection. Why lie about that at the beginning? ???? The 02 guy like i said i havent lookes into it to much but i think that wohld be MJ because there was alot said subliminally and a big message so i would think he would want to be in charge to make sure it  went right...... Unlesa that was just a part of the movie and shot like a film with extras etc in which case it would be a double.
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Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 12, 2012, 08:56:37 AM
So you think he wanted to be in charge of the press conference for TII but not in charge / in control of singing and dancing on TII


Sorry not trying to start something. But that argument doesn't make sense to me as its contradictory.
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Post by: MissG on June 12, 2012, 09:46:18 AM
So interesting video from LunaJo in youtube regarding doubles.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLf_2vHV4A&feature=g-user-u[/youtube]
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Post by: paula-c on June 12, 2012, 10:40:06 AM
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So interesting video from LunaJo in youtube regarding doubles.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLf_2vHV4A&feature=g-user-u[/youtube]





Looking  that video i thought without wanting to the day June 25, who died that day? :confused:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MissG on June 12, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
Seems to be 2 Michaels or;
-Michael flew from London to Bahrain the same day (we don´t know the time yet)
-The dates are wrong
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 12, 2012, 01:29:49 PM
Aussie.... i believe its all a movie..... and everything we see is scripted and shot like a film
with cast crew sets extras etc.........
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 12, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
I am no expert on the doubles theory.  All I can say is that orange pants for me was MJ.  At first I thought not, but something about his apparent shyness at moments possibly due to the fact that he obviously knew this would be seen by millions of people, made me re-think my initial assumption.  I love orange pants MJ.  Well heck, orange, gold, black, white - I love them all.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MissG on June 12, 2012, 02:37:36 PM
I still think that there was a double we don´t know about.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 13, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
i beleive that MJ himself often played the role of an impersonator to throw people off. this is an agreeable theory amongst many here at the forum. to me that explanation fits both 02 and TII scenarios. and is punctuated by mr joe jackson claims of "doubles"

its part of the planned controversy which mr joe jackson was playing his role when he made the "doubles in TII statement" its too be taken with the same measure of salt when "la toya says MJ was murdered", or paris says, "i still miss daddy" or katherine says, "it never gets easier"


Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 14, 2012, 02:57:41 AM
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I still think that there was a double we don´t know about.


Agree with you 100% on this


Just don't think this double featured at 02 or was entirely responsible for TII
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: paula-c on June 14, 2012, 09:05:02 AM
Why the sample of blood taken allegedly to MJ in the UCLA on June 25, was the name of another person?
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 14, 2012, 10:28:42 AM
So aussie........ let me ask you....... since we know that tii was a full scale production feature film... why did they lie and say it was for michaels private home videos? Also since it was filmed in hd why was so many of the shots look smudged and unclear MAINLY on the performances. Only filmed them from certain angles etc......... what is ure explanation for all that???
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 14, 2012, 10:53:27 AM
I mean the only stage mj they use closeups on is theMAIN on who they show about 85% of
The time. When they show the others its only from certain angles and tend to be blurry or smudgy. I am an actor as well as musical artist and ive been on many sets and seen filming amd directors in action. Its just not normal for shots to look that way especially when its shot in hd.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 14, 2012, 10:58:59 AM
Paula what are you talking about??? I havent heard anything about that... let me know please..... thank you.
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Post by: hesouttamylife on June 14, 2012, 11:23:34 AM
@Paula - remember the insurance policy was also in another name.  I thought that strange too since this was a multi-million dollar deal. 
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 14, 2012, 11:34:58 AM
you know what mack...  :Pulling_hair:

i am starting to doubt myself about it all being 100% MJ - MJ is def in TII, you have too see that come on!...  most of the time i see MJ. 777 shirt is 100% without a doubt MJ. fist in ear guy, is MJ. TDCAU def MJ. I'll be there & I want you back, Def MJ.. but you know what, i have to admit TII indeed features doubles. but for the most part is MJ. After our back and forth in this thread, i thought you know what, i havent watched it in ages, lets get the DVD out and make sure i know what i am talking about. i have discovered that i dont know what i am talking about, LOL. i have spent today, in fact most of my day (my day off too) watching TII pausing and replaying and my brain is seriously fried! cant tell you how exhausted i am. even though i initially resist, have to concede that there may be a double in i just cant stop loving you. i think that orange pants is a double and that maybe gold pants might be too...

but still for the most, part, i maintain its MJ.

as for your question, on low quality filming, i feel that MJ is possibly HD and that when it goes to poor quality it may feature a double.... but again, i am not confident in what i am saying.

:screaming-7365: :screaming-7365: :screaming-7365: hates that i have to go back on what i initially believed, but after watching for the past few hours, i have to admit to seeing what i see..

i don't know what to think. its all blurred.. i know there are doubles. i struggle seeing the difference, but i think you are right with the low quality filming point. i think that when this happens it is switching to a double. i know some of the moves are off. but the singing, for the most part is on. i think most of the singing is MJ.

i think the best answer, that satisfies both of us, is that is is neither all doubles, as you originally claimed. nor all MJ as i originally claimed... i think it is a combination of both and that why both HD and low quality filming methods are employed.

i know i know... i am completely back peddaling from my initial confidence abt no doubles. but after today i think what i come up with, is that i see two MJ's. real MJ and a double, and throughout TII, its cuts between both of them. again, i "think" that is what i now see, but i am now not 100% confident.


*ok, im going to go put my straight jacket on and rock in a corner of a psyciatric ward now - my brain is fried*


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Post by: paula-c on June 14, 2012, 12:43:35 PM
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Paula what are you talking about??? I havent heard anything about that... let me know please..... thank you.



On page 43 of the autopsy report listed the analysis of blood taken at the hospital before (13:30) of the declaration of death of Michael (14:26). In this analysis  could read the name "Trauma, Gershwin".





(http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/16/09/46/48/trauma10.jpg)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 14, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Aussie... i havent read al of ure last post i am at work..... but try this........ watch the movie again..... pay specific attention to when the dancers are auditioning.... there ate 2 REAL QUICK cut away shots of MJ In the chairs watching with kenny ortega....... THAT is the real MJ.... i watched it sooooooo many times and if u compare that MJ to the others its ovious. The mj im talking about looks normal....  its the doubles who have had plastic surgery that when u see them ure like damn that dont look like mj or u tjink did he get more surgery....... the answer is NO... the man has doubles he used all the timefor everything hense why people think he got new surgeries etc......
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Post by: paula-c on June 14, 2012, 01:03:32 PM
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Paula what are you talking about??? I havent heard anything about that... let me know please..... thank you.



On page 43 of the autopsy report listed the analysis of blood taken at the hospital before (13:30) of the declaration of death of Michael (14:26). In this analysis  could read the name "Trauma, Gershwin".







(http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/16/09/46/48/trauma10.jpg)

















































In the preliminary of the case of Murray it was stated that there was indeed a codename for Michael in page 3 of the demand for Joe Murray, another name appears as code name used in the UCLA: Soule Shaun.

(http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/16/09/46/48/soule_10.jpg)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: paula-c on June 14, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
How many names were used that day at UCLA for a single person?
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 14, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
I EFFIN LOVE MJ for this hoax..... it really has been like an adventure.
I have found myself thinking about it alot and it makes me feel like i have a purpose in the hoax kind of...... you all lnow what i mean???? Wow Ihope he comes back and throws a party for all
Of the true fans and hoaxers so we canmeet him as he will feel like he knows us already and vice versa. That would be a humbling experience to meet him. I wonder how much he would charge me to make a song with me????? HAHAH I would shit myself if I got to work with MJ. But you better believe it would be a good song. :)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 14, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: SEHF on June 14, 2012, 03:20:39 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
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Post by: ~Souza~ on June 14, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
Don't you have to go and disagree with me here? Where are the good old days....
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: SEHF on June 14, 2012, 03:25:35 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
Don't you have to go and disagree with me here? Where are the good old days....

Good idea..

It's all MJ, period.

Pfffft
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Post by: ~Souza~ on June 14, 2012, 03:33:30 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
Don't you have to go and disagree with me here? Where are the good old days....

Good idea..

It's all MJ, period.

Pfffft

No it's not.

Pfffft
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: SEHF on June 14, 2012, 03:36:34 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
Don't you have to go and disagree with me here? Where are the good old days....

Good idea..

It's all MJ, period.

Pfffft

No it's not.

Pfffft

doubting.. thomas
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: AnaMarcia on June 14, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
Don't you have to go and disagree with me here? Where are the good old days....

Good idea..

It's all MJ, period.

Pfffft

No it's not.

Pfffft

 :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:

Someday we will reach a consensus on this?

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Post by: ~Souza~ on June 14, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

 :elvis-1405:
Don't you have to go and disagree with me here? Where are the good old days....

Good idea..

It's all MJ, period.

Pfffft

No it's not.

Pfffft

doubting.. thomas

Yeah who cares anyway? I only wanna see your sixpack...
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: RK on June 14, 2012, 03:45:55 PM
Will this do you Souza?
(http://shipwrightsarms.com.au/pub/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/six-pack.jpg)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 14, 2012, 03:50:12 PM
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Will this do you Souza?
(http://shipwrightsarms.com.au/pub/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/six-pack.jpg)

OMG no!!!!!!! :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MissG on June 14, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
 :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 14, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
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I'll be short because everybody knows what I think:

TII: not all MJ
O2: not MJ

no way!!! i thought you were "MJ in 02" for sure! ah well. i have to maintain what i believe. everything about MJ at 02 is off to me, except the teeth and i feel teeth can't lie... but what would i know. i have always believed orrange pants to be MJ and after yesterday i am feeling the opposite.


MJ i love you for this hoax. imma keep watchin' and enjoyin' all that you throw at us.

@ mack - its been a good debate. i have read the doubles threads previously from way back, but all the discussion was way beack before i signed up. so it was good to have an opportunity to talk and debate with someone on this. and what do you know, upon review of TII to prove my point, i have in fact altered what i beleive...

cheers! :beerchug:



@ sehf.... so your saying orange pants is MJ in ur opinion.... i mean you would know huh??  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: suspicious mind on June 14, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
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Aussie... i havent read al of ure last post i am at work..... but try this........ watch the movie again..... pay specific attention to when the dancers are auditioning.... there ate 2 REAL QUICK cut away shots of MJ In the chairs watching with kenny ortega....... THAT is the real MJ.... i watched it sooooooo many times and if u compare that MJ to the others its ovious. The mj im talking about looks normal....  its the doubles who have had plastic surgery that when u see them ure like damn that dont look like mj or u tjink did he get more surgery....... the answer is NO... the man has doubles he used all the timefor everything hense why people think he got new surgeries etc......


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtain_call (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtain_call)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: wishingstar on June 14, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
This has been an interesting thread to read/re-read.  I too have gone back and forth......finally, I rested my heart on the fact that we see exactly what Michael wants us to see.  I recently mentioned in the MJ song thread that his lyrics can mean different things to different people...the beauty of Michael.  I think, just like lyrics, the use of different looking Michaels can mean different things.
 
-the Popeye shirt wearing Michael in rehearsal= fun loving
-the TDRCAU drill Michael = awareness
-the fist in your ear Michael = health conscious Michael
-the "I have to conserve my voice" Michael= dedication to his craft
-Thriller/IIS Michael = mysterious
-the "let's do it one more time" Michael = the perfectionist

These are just some examples of what the different looking Michaels mean to me...they flow through the movie like lyrics to a song.  For me, it doesn't really matter if there are true doubles, Michael pretending to be his own double using different looks, or all Michael......I see what Michael wants me to see and I try to perceive it in a natural sense, in other words just go with it.  The fact that TII was filmed the way it was, is clear to me it was always meant as a film.  So my faith in the cast, including different looking Michaels, is just faith in Michael's vision for the film.   I am sure he wanted people talking about it......it's controversy...he loves that...keep them guessing and coming back for more.  Pure genius. 

Blessings Always
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 14, 2012, 06:14:09 PM
Guys I am dizzy, I gotta watch TII this weekend again, I'll let you know on monday :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: mindseye on June 14, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
I think it's all MJ in TII and... although I thought something was different about his smile at 02, I think it's him. But I knew something was up and wasn't going to go through with the concerts.  :suspect:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: marumjj on June 14, 2012, 07:52:42 PM
Mj had my doubts about the O2 but look on his little finger

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/scaled.php?server=13&filename=dedos5meique.jpg&res=landing)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg259/scaled.php?server=259&filename=mjo2.jpg&res=landing)

Same inflammation, little finger

TII Double Smooth criminal

 :computer-losy-smiley:

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg88/scaled.php?server=88&filename=fotos2mike.jpg&res=landing)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Adi on June 14, 2012, 08:02:02 PM
After seeing This Is It at the movie theatre 3 times and then watching my dvd countless number of times I came to the conclusion that there are doubles in TII. MJ is definitely in TII, but not all of the MJ's in TII are the real deal.

As for O2 dude.......after all this time I'm still on the fence...not sure...sometimes I think yes it's MJ deliberately acting a bit "off key" and then other times I think naaaahhh, O2 dude is not MJ.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 14, 2012, 08:04:48 PM
I think there are doubles used at different times and probably for good reasons.  If this is really a movie and not just rehearsals then there could be scenes from other times/places also which were put in the movie.  Just a thought.  Anyway, Now I have to watch the movie TII again when I get the chance. 

 :beerchug:           
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: suspicious mind on June 14, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
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Mj had my doubts about the O2 but look on his little finger

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/scaled.php?server=13&filename=dedos5meique.jpg&res=landing)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg259/scaled.php?server=259&filename=mjo2.jpg&res=landing)

Same inflammation, little finger

TII Double Smooth criminal

 :computer-losy-smiley:

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg88/scaled.php?server=88&filename=fotos2mike.jpg&res=landing)

i have a question about the stunt double. would it be customary to include this person in the credits? just wondering as i don't think one is mentioned. i also saw mention of miko as some sort of persoanal assistant while i don't recall anything like interviews with him about tii in particular. just wondering , don't know if it is important.
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Post by: Andrea on June 14, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
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Mj had my doubts about the O2 but look on his little finger

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/scaled.php?server=13&filename=dedos5meique.jpg&res=landing)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg259/scaled.php?server=259&filename=mjo2.jpg&res=landing)

Same inflammation, little finger


Nice comparison pics marumjj.  This furthers confirms my belief that MJ did the 02 announcement himself.  Also - his neck, jawline, teeth and forehead look the same.  So does his chin, just a slightly different angle.  His upper lip in the top pic looks like it was filled with more color, maybe a lip liner along the top or something, especially towards the edges.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: curls on June 15, 2012, 02:41:10 AM
I love these conversations! I've been on both sides of the fence .... and on top .... and back again!

Do you know what I just realised?  It used to matter to me, it used to be important to me to know who was or wasn't MJ, I didn't want to be 'fooled' or 'tricked'.  Now I find it quite amusing! Hats off to MJ for weaving this nice little aside into his master plan!

I think O2 MJ is the real deal because of very subtle mannerisms that he didn't manage to avoid in his 'I'm going to play this a bit off' performance!

I think TII MJ is mostly the real deal, possibly even all, with the same deliberate 'off' performances, but could be doubles - IDK. I've watched it so many times that the 'doubles' are so familiar now, they don't seem so 'off' any more - I've grown to love them!

If I eventually find out I am totally wrong, and it was all doubles, it really won't matter - I will laugh and applaud MJ for the drama and controversy and trouble he's caused!! But I admit I'll laugh and applaud more if it was all him!

(One question: if he wanted to use 'stand-ins' so he could see from the audience's point of view, how things looked on stage, would he need to go to the trouble of finding lookalikes or doubles? Wouldn't Travis, say in shades and an MJ jacket, suffice? To me, another reason to believe TII was not genuine rehearsal footage, but was always intended to be a movie - of MJ!)
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: BeTheChange on June 15, 2012, 03:16:08 AM
Great post curls!

Like you, I've realized that it doesn't matter to me either way.  If I had to bet on it, I'd say O2 was the real deal and TII was too, at least the majority of it.  And if I'm remembering correctly, there is a scene in TII (maybe in the extras?) where Travis does stand in for Mike...which, as you said, would suffice. 

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 15, 2012, 03:26:09 AM
Come on guys, that Michael's pinky finger says it all definitely O2 Michael was the real deal, fingers and teeth can't lie, you can disguise the rest of your body but fingers and teeth will prevail, lol

@marumjj.....thanks for that pic I think you definitely has brought light to this question.
 :bearhug:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 15, 2012, 05:16:40 AM
Teeth can't lie?? Seriously? What about this:

(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/phillyburbs.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/d3/4d3f697e-4b58-11e1-a98a-0019bb30f31a/4f26b9324c6aa.image.jpg)

We have some people here impersonating other celebs and they ALWAYS have matching teeth going with their make-up. So that argument doesn't hold up.

As for the pictures at O2: I believe Michael himself was there too, in the same outfit. It's a shame that MJJ pictures is still down, because you could see clearly there that there were two different faces. I have them all on my computer but I'm too lazy to upload them and I am done with the double stuff because there is no end to the discussion, it's going in circles.
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Post by: MaryK on June 15, 2012, 05:25:12 AM
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Teeth can't lie?? Seriously? What about this:

(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/phillyburbs.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/d3/4d3f697e-4b58-11e1-a98a-0019bb30f31a/4f26b9324c6aa.image.jpg)

We have some people here impersonating other celebs and they ALWAYS have matching teeth going with their make-up. So that argument doesn't hold up.

As for the pictures at O2: I believe Michael himself was there too, in the same outfit. It's a shame that MJJ pictures is still down, because you could see clearly there that there were two different faces. I have them all on my computer but I'm too lazy to upload them and I am done with the double stuff because there is no end to the discussion, it's going in circles.

 :icon_exclaim: Definitely!
All I can say is: O2....Oh, two!  :icon_geek:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 15, 2012, 05:54:25 AM
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Teeth can't lie?? Seriously? What about this:

(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/phillyburbs.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/d3/4d3f697e-4b58-11e1-a98a-0019bb30f31a/4f26b9324c6aa.image.jpg)

We have some people here impersonating other celebs and they ALWAYS have matching teeth going with their make-up. So that argument doesn't hold up.

As for the pictures at O2: I believe Michael himself was there too, in the same outfit. It's a shame that MJJ pictures is still down, because you could see clearly there that there were two different faces. I have them all on my computer but I'm too lazy to upload them and I am done with the double stuff because there is no end to the discussion, it's going in circles.

I will appreciate if you post those pics so we can close this issue once and for all, the theory of two Michaels could be possible too so if we see those pics we can compare them here.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: annieareyouokannie on June 15, 2012, 08:40:03 AM
I believe 02 guy was Michael. Yes you can make someone look a lot like Michael, but as far as Im concerned that was Michaels voice!! That is all I want to say about this subject. We all have different opinions about this, we always will have so until we know for sure, lets agree to disagree with the L.O.V.E love  :bearhug:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: AnaMarcia on June 15, 2012, 09:26:40 AM
Michael in March, 06:

(http://www3.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+a0UsX6gEjBzl.jpg)

And in March, 05:

(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+says+Cqlj_5Uo5PXl.jpg)

(http://www3.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+Hotel+Room+q5gz-2YRORkl.jpg)

I don't Know!

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Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 15, 2012, 09:32:37 AM
Let's settle this.  Give me orange pants guy.  I'll take him home and just watch him dance, lol.  He was f.u.n.n.y.  I could have a ball with him.  One down, how many more to go.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: AnaMarcia on June 15, 2012, 09:42:17 AM
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Let's settle this.  Give me orange pants guy.  I'll take him home and just watch him dance, lol.  He was f.u.n.n.y.  I could have a ball with him.  One down, how many more to go.

 :thjajaja121:

But I think the man in orange pants at the beginning of the film was Michael. But there are other scenes of orange pants that I do not know.
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Post by: hesouttamylife on June 15, 2012, 09:58:39 AM
Putting my son on ALERT - EARLY WARNING - Mom will be pre-occupied this Saturday watching This Is it yet AGAIN!!!!! Sorry, Charlie (Charles), lol.  He HATES when I call him Charlie.................... and when I'm watching Michael.  I zone out from everything else around me, including him.  He's an adult so DUH!!!
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Post by: YoungMack on June 15, 2012, 10:37:19 AM
Well...... first of all id like to thank you all for reading and sharing your thoughts on my post
and this subject. Souza is right it can go all day becauae we all think we r right hahajaha......
In the end it doesnt matter if its a double or not ehat matters is WHY do that for this film??
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Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 15, 2012, 06:59:30 PM
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Well...... first of all id like to thank you all for reading and sharing your thoughts on my post
and this subject. Souza is right it can go all day becauae we all think we r right hahajaha......
In the end it doesnt matter if its a double or not ehat matters is WHY do that for this film??

Maybe there's a few reasons.  Maybe to teach us how to tell the truth from lies, not to believe everything we see and hear, not to judge a book by it's cover etc.........
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Post by: YoungMack on June 16, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
Very well could be. I cant wait till the truth comes out we see EXACTLY whats been going on
and why he did everything and how.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 16, 2012, 07:59:34 AM
I watched it again.  Orange pants is Michael for me… sometimes and sometimes not so sure.  However, I’m now having questions about gold lame guy  :thjajaja121: and penguin man  :thjajaja121: His moves are crazy dude  :michael-jackson:  It’s an adventure, a great adventure.  It is certainly clear that either Michael was transforming right before our eyes or he used tricks and illusion between sets because he certainly succeeded in confusing the freak out of me.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 16, 2012, 08:33:38 AM
Its crazy. Hahahah but awesome trying to figure it all out. Dude in the gold pants for me is no way mj. I dont think orange pants is either. Ill have to watch again for sure but who knows.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 16, 2012, 08:59:18 AM
@ mack... just look at what our feuding has started lol....

i love mj for giving us this hoax. the fact that we are all divided and still speaking about it 3 years later and still learning, shows that whatever he did, whether it be act as an impersonator or deployed his impersonators - it worked as we are still guessing!!!

i guess though in the scheme of things, its probably the least important (yet one of the intriguing!) amongst everything in this hoax, in terms of significance.

most important thing is love, just as michael says L.O.V.E - the rest is just pure genius / entertainment at its best!!


L.O.V.E to all and thank you for contributing to this thread.


by the way mack, i know you havent been here too long. there are some great threads from the past that you might be interested in concerning TII, not just doubles but also clues / messages, etc. the board is here This Is It ~ The Rehearsals, The Movie & Trailers (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?board=45.0) some go back to 2010. i found them great to read over even though much of the discussion happened prior to me joining the forum




@ wishingstar personally JMO, i think that "No no no no - I gotta conserve my voice / i shouldnt be singing MJ" - is not MJ - upon re: watching TII yesterday.. but really liked your previous post :-) and agree with you xx

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Post by: wishingstar on June 16, 2012, 09:11:19 AM
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@ mack... just look at what our feuding has started lol....

i love mj for giving us this hoax. the fact that we are all divided and still speaking about it 3 years later and still learning, shows that whatever he did, whether it be act as an impersonator or deployed his impersonators - it worked as we are still guessing!!!

i guess though in the scheme of things, its probably the least important (yet one of the intriguing!) amongst everything in this hoax, in terms of significance.

most important thing is love, just as michael says L.O.V.E - the rest is just pure genius / entertainment at its best!!


L.O.V.E to all and thank you for contributing to this thread.


by the way mack, i know you havent been here too long. there are some great threads from the past that you might be interested in concerning TII, not just doubles but also clues / messages, etc. the board is here This Is It ~ The Rehearsals, The Movie & Trailers (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?board=45.0) some go back to 2010. i found them great to read over even though much of the discussion happened prior to me joining the forum




@ wishingstar personally JMO, i think that "No no no no - I gotta conserve my voice / i shouldnt be singing MJ" - is not MJ - upon re: watching TII yesterday.. but really liked your previous post :-) and agree with you xx

 :bearhug:
Thank you....I appreciate your sweet words! I watched TII last night...always makes it a good night : )
And, yes, I can totally see all the different Michaels.  Like I said before, my heart is rested on it doesn't matter
if they are doubles, Michael pretending to be doubles or just all Michael.  My eyes fell upon the genius of him....and what he wanted me to see and how he wanted me to see it.  I have read that he loves controversy, lol....well, he's
got that!  I am sure he's loving all this debate.......I hope he's totally enjoying us!  Love you Aussie...you're great!!! 

Blessings Always!
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Post by: YoungMack on June 16, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
Aussie i know..... hahahh i am gonna check that forum now. I have been on the site for about 2 years or so aussie but i just never posted. I was doing research and looking over everything.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: Andrea on June 16, 2012, 10:14:15 AM
It's no big secret that MJ used doubles throughout his career.  Decoys.  They go out the front door while MJ would sneak out the back - that sort of thing.     
There is definitely a possibility that doubles were also used in TII but we won't find out for sure until MJ wants us to and I've accepted that, lol.

I found this video on youtube:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp2h8BKGam0[/youtube]

I always wondered about that pic of MJ(?) coming out of the doctor's office with the funky looking ear.  Could that have been a double?  Or a prosthetic ear piece to make people say WTF? Or real? Ahhh, "speculate to break the ones you hate" comes to mind for some reason. 
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Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 16, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
When it comes to dance or sing is always one "the real MJ" when it comes to just appear in public can be an impersonator like the one on white suit that went to the court in 2005 trial, the one below, so that's why I believe all the Michaels on TII are " the real MJ".

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjhoaxpsp.jpg)

Sorry SimPattyK I am using the photo you posted  :bearhug:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MissG on June 17, 2012, 04:53:47 AM
To me, one can make chin implants, fix the nose, the ears and the mouth but the skull does not change.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 17, 2012, 09:42:02 PM
Im watching the movie again as im writing this. Billie jean with the open blue shirt is not MJ..... i noticed as the scene ends he is singing waaaaaateeeerrrrrrrr and its fading out to black...... his shirt is open. Now the very next scene is everyone gathered and michael steps in to say its an adventure etc....... Now this is MJ in my opinion speaking but the billie jean performer no way!!!!!
Yet his shirt is buttoned up........ Almost as ifthey just forgot continuity wise that the double performing just before has his shirt unbuttoned and MJ just stepped in next scene for the speaking role.
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: YoungMack on June 17, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
I just find it hard to believe thats mj dancing during that little dancing solo in billie jean at the end. If it is then he was reeeeaalllllllly rusty but I juat dont think MJ could everbe that off in my opinion.
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Post by: bugsy on June 18, 2012, 12:34:39 AM
I just rewatched it, no it's definately him, It does look rather rusty and less "performed" than a lot of them but i guess depends on what the intention of that moment was for, was it to mark his places? was it just to help the singers get to the right keys and timing? was it for lighting? I would think if it wasn't being done to practice the moves he would just do general kind of "ok this is where i will be standing" and not so much moving. He lookx stange in some of the performances but i figured out he was cueing others around him for various reasons. so it may not look like it's him because we have only seen him mainly  at the final result when his on stage for real. Rehersals aren't fluid, that generally comes with the dress rehersals and even then not always. Just my thoughts

I couldn't hear the water though unless you mean when his walking to the back of the stage after kenny comes on stage?

which could mean something or nothing, he might have been thirsty?

I don't know when the speach was done, it's not really stated it was directly after billiejean it could have been at the very end of that night but when they produced this is it they thought of putting it before man in the mirror which is rather interesting.. talks of 4 years to get it right, spreading love and then singing a song about looking at him self and making a change  :icon_question:
Title: Re: This Is It Doubles.........
Post by: MJonmind on June 18, 2012, 04:45:23 PM
It’s all for illusion, and he’s the master of disguise!  We have to realize it’s the act of a magician—All MJ, except for the briefest of inserts of a look-a-like/dress-alike. A magician doesn't give away major roles to others.

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I love these conversations! I've been on both sides of the fence .... and on top .... and back again!

Do you know what I just realised?  It used to matter to me, it used to be important to me to know who was or wasn't MJ, I didn't want to be 'fooled' or 'tricked'.  Now I find it quite amusing! Hats off to MJ for weaving this nice little aside into his master plan!

I think O2 MJ is the real deal because of very subtle mannerisms that he didn't manage to avoid in his 'I'm going to play this a bit off' performance!

I think TII MJ is mostly the real deal, possibly even all, with the same deliberate 'off' performances, but could be doubles - IDK. I've watched it so many times that the 'doubles' are so familiar now, they don't seem so 'off' any more - I've grown to love them!

If I eventually find out I am totally wrong, and it was all doubles, it really won't matter - I will laugh and applaud MJ for the drama and controversy and trouble he's caused!! But I admit I'll laugh and applaud more if it was all him!

(One question: if he wanted to use 'stand-ins' so he could see from the audience's point of view, how things looked on stage, would he need to go to the trouble of finding lookalikes or doubles? Wouldn't Travis, say in shades and an MJ jacket, suffice? To me, another reason to believe TII was not genuine rehearsal footage, but was always intended to be a movie - of MJ!)
Yep, yep! Exactly! The world has no clue at Michael's genius, even in this 'little' aspect! They are being toyed with like a cat with a mouse! :icon_mrgreen:

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I will appreciate if you post those pics so we can close this issue once and for all, the theory of two Michaels could be possible too so if we see those pics we can compare them here.
We've been there, done that so many times before, and it never closes anything, just more debate.  But I agree with you –all MJ! :D

I think it’s a fake ear piece put on, coming out of Klein’s office, just like the Pepsi fire is a fake scalp piece.

The 2 pics of MJ In TII that have another MJ in same pic, is similar to some set pics showing another stand-in like in, In the Closet, and Bad (I think). Either it’s long-term trickery (27 years +) for hoax purposes (my firm belief), or they need two for the briefest of shots, which relieves MJ a little on set.  In Leave me alone, an MJ mannequin is used.
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