Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: bad_girl on December 26, 2009, 06:10:18 PM
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i have thought for a very long time about this, and recent events on the forum have made my opinion/belief even stronger.....
this is all about the blonde lady but not the picture of her persé.....
to cut a long story short i believe sincerely that MICHAEL JACKSON died as we know him and now lives on as the blonde lady that we all saw at the memorial, not as in disguise but he IS the blonde lady, period.
no i have not lost my mind and again i have thought about this a lot, especially since reading maura's original post on the topic "please read this everyone" she mentions that it's not about the PICTURE of the blonde lady, but that we wouldn't believe how friggin' right we were about her. the only things posted about the blonde lady were things like "omg it's mj IN DISGUISE" i now believe that he underwent a full sex change operation, and if i think about the memorial with jenifer hudson singing "will you be there" her being pregnant and all, it's like saying this is a re-birth. think about jermaine's statement at UCLA he said "my brother, the king of pop, has passed away,..." well he wasn't lying, his BROTHER as he new him was definetly gone.. think about the crown on the coffin,...everything points to THE KING OF POP being gone..
i do not believe that this is just some frivolious wish on MJ's part, not like that he woke up one day and on a whim said "i'd like to be a woman" i truly believe that he was in danger and rather than go into witness protection and be seperated from his family, he chose a solution that would allow him to remain with his family, out of danger, out of the spot light....and fulfill one of his own desires, to be a woman... i am very serious about this thought, please do not treat me like i'm crazy, as i said, i've been thinking about this for a long time and todays events just re-inforced it all for me. for me it makes no difference whether he's a man or a woman, i have always loved MJ, his voice, his music, his kindness and his private life is nobody's business, i will continue to listen to his music and watch videos, this changes nothing for me whatsoever, i'm just so unbelievably relieved that he is alive and well.
please, before you start the bashing, have a good think about it
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I knew posts of Blondy/MJ as transgender woman would surface especially after Maura's revelation that Michael was Blondy and that she felt disappointed with why he hoaxed his death.
This really is bizarro world. Am I in the Truman show for the 7th time? Im sure even I will begin to believe Michael did a gender operation to become another person. Why? Because I am losing my mind here. If I believe there was a body double at O2, whats stopping me from thinking Michael did a transgender operation? I am being brainwashed. This is so not happening. Out of body experience OMG Im laughing right now. Someone admit me to the padded walls section. :lol:
Oh my god this is even crazier but what if Michael used a body double at the pressconference because he already has a sex change? :lol:
Now I am literally crying. I was laughing a second ago and now I am crying. :( :lol: :cry: :lol: Im laughing and crying at the same time!!!! GREAT.
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While I don't think he had a sex change, I think it is totally possible for him to have changed his appearance permenantly for witness protection or whatever. But I don't think he'd become a woman..
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@bad_girl...... wow!!! is all i can say, i have been thinking the same things for a few days now, i even thought about the memorial thing too, it's a possibility i mean if people here entertain the idea of MJ having a secret twin ,or him being dave dave or even dr murray then no, i don't think it's farfetched at all
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I knew posts of Blondy/MJ as transgender woman would surface especially after Maura's revelation that Michael was Blondy and that she felt disappointed with why he hoaxed his death.
This really is bizarro world. Am I in the Truman show for the 7th time? Im sure even I will begin to believe Michael did a gender operation to become another person. Why? Because I am losing my mind here. If I believe there was a body double at O2, whats stopping me from thinking Michael did a transgender operation? I am being brainwashed. This is so not happening. Out of body experience OMG Im laughing right now. Someone admit me to the padded walls section. :lol:
Oh my god this is even crazier but what if Michael used a body double at the pressconference because he already has a sex change? :lol:
Now I am literally crying. I was laughing a second ago and now I am crying. :( :lol: :cry: :lol: Im laughing and crying at the same time!!!! GREAT.
I'm losing my mind too. Earlier today I have said that my theory was that Michael dressed up as Dave Dave on LKL, Conrad Murray, and Blonde Lady, while getting other actors like O2 to portray him. I'm officially insane; someone stamp my hand like in the Simpsons episode!
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I'm losing my mind too. Earlier today I have said that my theory was that Michael dressed up as Dave Dave on LKL, Conrad Murray, and Blonde Lady, while getting other actors like O2 to portray him. I'm officially insane; someone stamp my hand like in the Simpsons episode!
I feel you girl. This was the icing on the bizarro-cake. I dont know how much more I can take. I have a feeling I will be admitted to crazyville by the time I go back to school. I must try to keep my sanity in check. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I was reading Maura's post when I was bumped off. Now it has been removed. Do you know what's going on?
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OK I am going crazy now also!! The extreme childrenwish..That went so bad tat he walked arround with dolls!
This puzzled me also..I tought it was something a woman would have here biological clock tikking??
Later i tought he is a verry sensetive man..with great love for children..Now i dont know anymore :?
Mattie
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yes maura's post was deleted because she was being attacked by a certain member who seems to do nothing all day than attack people on here
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OK I am going crazy now also!! The extreme childrenwish..That went so bad tat he walked arround with dolls!
This puzzled me also..I tought it was something a woman would have here biological clock tikking??
Later i tought he is a verry sensetive man..with great love for children..Now i dont know anymore :?
Mattie
but think about the possibility of it, it's really plausible, i really do believe this is what happened
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Mad day today but not sure if mj. Has done this
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You opinion is very plausable, and may be quite accurate. But there has to be a lot more to this. Truthseeker was saying that if she revealed too much it could put MJ in danger and also herself for what she knows. He was very afraid "they" were trying to kill him for the Sony catalog. I wonder if it has anything to do with that?
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I'm entertaining this theory as I have with most of the theories on here. If he did want to live as a woman, the following make sense:
--commemorating his former life as the KOP with TII and the Opus, etc.
--real "grief" coming from family members such as Katherine who have religious convictions that would make this very difficult to accept
--use of doubles toward the end
I am extremely open-minded and accepting of all LGBT people including transgendered and transsexual people, so this isn't a distasteful topic for me. I would feel much compassion for MJ if this were true because it would have obviously caused him a lot of pain in his life. And I would also find it very sad that the "best" way to make this happen would be faking your own death -- I would hope the people who love him would accept him no matter what; I know I would.
Take everything above with a grain of salt, as I may have lost my mind already tonight. :lol: :shock:
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OK I am going crazy now also!! The extreme childrenwish..That went so bad tat he walked arround with dolls!
This puzzled me also..I tought it was something a woman would have here biological clock tikking??
Later i tought he is a verry sensetive man..with great love for children..Now i dont know anymore :?
Mattie
but think about the possibility of it, it's really plausible, i really do believe this is what happened
Yes everything is possible! and it wont make me change my mind on him..he still is the great talent he is!
But then why al this..The film the clues??? for us to discover he wants to be a woman??
I have to think..Think more :idea: :ugeek:
Greetings Mattie
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I'm entertaining this theory as I have with most of the theories on here. If he did want to live as a woman, the following make sense:
--commemorating his former life as the KOP with TII and the Opus, etc.
--real "grief" coming from family members such as Katherine who have religious convictions that would make this very difficult to accept
--use of doubles toward the end
I am extremely open-minded and accepting of all LGBT people including transgendered and transsexual people, so this isn't a distasteful topic for me. I would feel much compassion for MJ if this were true because it would have obviously caused him a lot of pain in his life. And I would also find it very sad that the "best" way to make this happen would be faking your own death -- I would hope the people who love him would accept him no matter what; I know I would.
Take everything above with a grain of salt, as I may have lost my mind already tonight. :lol: :shock:
I agree this theory is very plausible. Some men live 30, 40, 50 years with a secret life of having transgender thoughts and feelings and when they reveal this to their family members it can be very distressing and upsetting, some even commit suicide because they felt like they've been living a lie their entire life and have not been able to express themselves for who they feel like on the inside.
This would explain why Michael was asexual in his behavior. I am not saying I know this for a fact, I am simply saying some things within this hoax would finally start making some sense now. Especially the grieving part and why his family genuenly have expressed sadness some times. This would explain why they emphesise that the Michael Jackson as we knew him is dead now and no longer with us but that he is still ''alive''.
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the movie as was said many times was to "discover the man we never knew" for me no message could've been any clearer, he made that change..... NO PUN INTENDED
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its just my opinio you neednot have to agree with that but i think some one mislead us may be mj haters tried t o distort his image by making us believe he changed his sex so that his fans would turn their backs just like some of them did back in 2005 , i remember an article a man predicted that mj will return but as a women , may be that whole transformation rumour was started for a reason
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its just my opinio you neednot have to agree with that but i think some one mislead us may be mj haters eto distort his image by make us believe he changed his sex so that his fans would turn their backs just like some of them did back in 2005 , i remember an article a man predicted that mj will return but as a women , may be that whole transformation rumour was started for a reason
THIS IS MY OWN BELIEF. it's not based on an article nor is it based on rumors about anything, but the more i look into things, the more it makes sense to me.... as for turning our back on him??? never in a million years would any true fan do such a thing, michael is L.O.V.E. and we owe him at least that much in return
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
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oh please i didnt mean you , but i said someone wanted us to think the way you did ,dont be offensive i didmt mention you anywhere
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its just my opinio you neednot have to agree with that but i think some one mislead us may be mj haters tried t o distort his image by making us believe he changed his sex so that his fans would turn their backs just like some of them did back in 2005 , i remember an article a man predicted that mj will return but as a women , may be that whole transformation rumour was started for a reason
Ok i dont know???
But i think it is possible that is the meaning of the change..Like Kenny said..Man in the mirror make that change!
But i still than not understand all the clue's..all that is going on..the clue's in the film???
Still thinking :ugeek:
Mattie
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oh please i didnt mean you , but i said someone wanted us to think the way you did ,dont be offensive i didmt mention you anywhere
i know you didn't mean me!!! i was just emphasizing that this is entirely my own belief!!! peace and love to all OPENMINDED mj fans
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I don't for a second believe MJ has had a sex change. I won't judge anyone who chooses to believe that, but for me, that's just not possible. It's not as simple as just deciding to be a woman and then having an operation. There are processes in place to govern gender reassignment surgery. Chaz Bono is a perfect example. I've read a lot about what she/he is going through that describes the process. Counseling/Therapy is the first step; then a year or more of living as the desired gender; then hormone therapy etc. It's a process and not a quick one.
Also, why would he hoax his death, in the manner that he did, if the purpose was for gender reassignment? That makes no sense either. Rumors of drug abuse. Death by lethal injection of Propofol. A doctor suspected of manslaughter. Conspiracy theories. On and on. Not logical. He could have just made it look like a suicide or unquestionable murder or accident. There are too many rumors and innuendo floating around that just do not add up to MJ deciding on a sex change, and the best way to do it is to create a controversial death with a long, drawn-out investigation and everything else.
And beyond that, at what point has MJ ever hinted that he wanted to be a woman? Don't you think that juicy bit of information would have leaked out YEARS ago if it were true...if it were even suspected?! The molestation bull***t has been all over the place for years, and that crap isn't even true. So you can't tell me that MJ wanted to be a woman, no one ever suspected it or knew it besides him, and it never leaked out. Just because the man wears make up and is indeed a beautiful man, that does NOT mean he wants to be a woman!
This is just my opinion, and I we are all free to believe what we choose. There's just no way I could ever believe MJ wants to be a woman, nor faked his death to do just that.
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maybe there were no clues at all in the movie regarding this CHANGE or the hoax for that matter..... but as we all know anything and everything is possible
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
I will be glad when we find out exactly who the blonde woman is and put an end to all this speculation
Please find out soon so we can have some peace Thank you
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hmmmmmm.....
I have a hard time accepting this theory for multiple reasons.
1)He was always openly heterosexual. True he never bashed those of other sexual preferences, but he always spoke of infatuations and crushes on women.
2)If you watch videos of him with women, he seems.... interested. :lol: Like with Beyonce, performing with Siedah Garret, and rehearsing with Sade(where he looked like he held back on touching her bootay :P ). And the older he got, the more open and overt his sexuality became. At least in his videos and flirting with fans & women he admired.
3)While he seemed non-judgemental of the BGLT community, I read some conflicting reports that after a man came onto him he quoted or read verses of the Bible to him? Maybe someone else knows where that came from? I read too much and don't remember.
4)Even if he *WAS* homosexual, there's a HUGE difference between being homosexual and being willing to go through sex change operations. From what I've read/seen, it's a long drawn out process involving years of taking hormones and **LIVING AS THE OPPOSITE SEX** for a certain amount of time BEFORE the surgery is allowed to take place.
So really, if this was feasible, I think we would have seen signs of it coming.
Like he probably wouldn't have had as much stubble - being on hormones would have decreased his facial hair growth.
He probably would have been dressing more feminine.
And I don't mean the jilbab/dress that he wore when visiting Bahrain because that was no more than a disguise as he never wore it outside of that environment.
And he seemed to be dressing a bit more masculine in a way - more regular-ish looking clothes(black jeans, button up shirts, trucker hat, etc).
Well, as regular as Michael Jackson was willing to dress. :lol:
I don't know.
These are just my 2 cents.
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I knew posts of Blondy/MJ as transgender woman would surface especially after Maura's revelation that Michael was Blondy and that she felt disappointed with why he hoaxed his death.
This really is bizarro world. Am I in the Truman show for the 7th time? Im sure even I will begin to believe Michael did a gender operation to become another person. Why? Because I am losing my mind here. If I believe there was a body double at O2, whats stopping me from thinking Michael did a transgender operation? I am being brainwashed. This is so not happening. Out of body experience OMG Im laughing right now. Someone admit me to the padded walls section. :lol:
Oh my god this is even crazier but what if Michael used a body double at the pressconference because he already has a sex change? :lol:
Now I am literally crying. I was laughing a second ago and now I am crying. :( :lol: :cry: :lol: Im laughing and crying at the same time!!!! GREAT.
:( Haha ...cries and laughs too... If MJ has did a transgender operation, well then, I am very proud to announce to all of you that I have become a lesbo. Merry Christmas!
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@virgo75 -- although some people who undergo sex reassignment surgery identify as gay or lesbian before the surgery, sexual orientation (who you are attracted to) and gender identity (whether you feel male or female on the inside) are two different things. One could theoretically be a male who exclusively likes women but feels like a woman inside and is transgendered. Kind of like a lesbian in a man's body, not to make light of the situation!
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the theory as whole, just wanted to point that out.
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even it it were that case mj now a woman-
i for my my part would not have any problem with that
i would love her/him as before
so i cannot personally see why to fake a death
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OH MY GOD!
Michael lived all his life as a man and sudden in the night he thought "what a hell"?
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/493/matissemmematissemadras.jpg)
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even it it were that case mj now a woman-
i for my my part would not have any problem with that
i would love her/him as before
so i cannot personally see why to fake a death
Me too -- I think that would be a very extreme way to deal with it. If it were me, I'd rather do what I want to do and if I lost fans, so be it. Rather than make every fan across the globe feel grief.
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@virgo75 -- although some people who undergo sex reassignment surgery identify as gay or lesbian before the surgery, sexual orientation (who you are attracted to) and gender identity (whether you feel male or female on the inside) are two different things. One could theoretically be a male who exclusively likes women but feels like a woman inside and is transgendered. Kind of like a lesbian in a man's body, not to make light of the situation!
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the theory as whole, just wanted to point that out.
True.
I think I've seen where some transgendered folks get together with the sex they were changed to - making them homosexual after the surgery.
However, I still don't believe Mike was transgendered because you are supposed to live as the opposite sex and take hormones for a certain amount of time before having the surgery. (and the other reasons that I posted..)
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its just my opinio you neednot have to agree with that but i think some one mislead us may be mj haters tried t o distort his image by making us believe he changed his sex so that his fans would turn their backs just like some of them did back in 2005 , i remember an article a man predicted that mj will return but as a women , may be that whole transformation rumour was started for a reason
This is what I've been saying for a while...we should be careful to whom we listen to over the internet. Even the haters can be death hoax believers... ;)
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OH MY GOD!
Michael lived all his life as a man and sudden in the night he thought "what a hell"?
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/493/matissemmematissemadras.jpg)
i think you're missing the point, the OP clearly said it WAS NOT on a whim and that she believed MJ was in danger but rather than go into witness protection and be seperated from his children he opted for something he's always secretly wanted.... and to those who say MJ wouldn't do that.... HOW DO YOU KNOW?? unless you know him personally and if that were the case you wouldn't be here speculating on whether or not he hoaxed his death
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even it it were that case mj now a woman-
i for my my part would not have any problem with that
i would love her/him as before
so i cannot personally see why to fake a death
Me too -- I think that would be a very extreme way to deal with it. If it were me, I'd rather do what I want to do and if I lost fans, so be it. Rather than make every fan across the globe feel grief.
Can you imagine, what would have happened, if he had done it in "life"?
Not saying this theory is the truth, I'm just saying, that "all hell would break loose".
"Death" before doing the change makes absolute sense - would be the ONLY way to keep the public out of that.
No more questions, no more paparazzi.
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
I will be glad when we find out exactly who the blonde woman is and put an end to all this speculation
Please find out soon so we can have some peace Thank you
thank you billie jean...I hope you find out soon.
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Is it getting late or is it just me.... :roll: I really need to sleep over this idea.....
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hmmmmmm.....
I have a hard time accepting this theory for multiple reasons.
1)He was always openly heterosexual. True he never bashed those of other sexual preferences, but he always spoke of infatuations and crushes on women.
2)If you watch videos of him with women, he seems.... interested. :lol: Like with Beyonce, performing with Siedah Garret, and rehearsing with Sade(where he looked like he held back on touching her bootay :P ). And the older he got, the more open and overt his sexuality became. At least in his videos and flirting with fans & women he admired.
3)While he seemed non-judgemental of the BGLT community, I read some conflicting reports that after a man came onto him he quoted or read verses of the Bible to him? Maybe someone else knows where that came from? I read too much and don't remember.
4)Even if he *WAS* homosexual, there's a HUGE difference between being homosexual and being willing to go through sex change operations. From what I've read/seen, it's a long drawn out process involving years of taking hormones and **LIVING AS THE OPPOSITE SEX** for a certain amount of time BEFORE the surgery is allowed to take place.
So really, if this was feasible, I think we would have seen signs of it coming.
Like he probably wouldn't have had as much stubble - being on hormones would have decreased his facial hair growth.
He probably would have been dressing more feminine.
And I don't mean the jilbab/dress that he wore when visiting Bahrain because that was no more than a disguise as he never wore it outside of that environment.
And he seemed to be dressing a bit more masculine in a way - more regular-ish looking clothes(black jeans, button up shirts, trucker hat, etc).
Well, as regular as Michael Jackson was willing to dress. :lol:
I don't know.
These are just my 2 cents.
hey could you give me a link of him and Sade, i never seen it....gone Michael with ya bad self!
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OH MY GOD!
Michael lived all his life as a man and sudden in the night he thought "what a hell"?
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/493/matissemmematissemadras.jpg)
i think you're missing the point, the OP clearly said it WAS NOT on a whim and that she believed MJ was in danger but rather than go into witness protection and be seperated from his children he opted for something he's always secretly wanted.... and to those who say MJ wouldn't do that.... HOW DO YOU KNOW?? unless you know him personally and if that were the case you wouldn't be here speculating on whether or not he hoaxed his death
So where is "she" when the kids go out in public? ;)
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I don't for a second believe MJ has had a sex change. I won't judge anyone who chooses to believe that, but for me, that's just not possible. It's not as simple as just deciding to be a woman and then having an operation. There are processes in place to govern gender reassignment surgery. Chaz Bono is a perfect example. I've read a lot about what she/he is going through that describes the process. Counseling/Therapy is the first step; then a year or more of living as the desired gender; then hormone therapy etc. It's a process and not a quick one.
Also, why would he hoax his death, in the manner that he did, if the purpose was for gender reassignment? That makes no sense either. Rumors of drug abuse. Death by lethal injection of Propofol. A doctor suspected of manslaughter. Conspiracy theories. On and on. Not logical. He could have just made it look like a suicide or unquestionable murder or accident. There are too many rumors and innuendo floating around that just do not add up to MJ deciding on a sex change, and the best way to do it is to create a controversial death with a long, drawn-out investigation and everything else.
And beyond that, at what point has MJ ever hinted that he wanted to be a woman? Don't you think that juicy bit of information would have leaked out YEARS ago if it were true...if it were even suspected?! The molestation bull***t has been all over the place for years, and that crap isn't even true. So you can't tell me that MJ wanted to be a woman, no one ever suspected it or knew it besides him, and it never leaked out. Just because the man wears make up and is indeed a beautiful man, that does NOT mean he wants to be a woman!
This is just my opinion, and I we are all free to believe what we choose. There's just no way I could ever believe MJ wants to be a woman, nor faked his death to do just that.
I agree with this post. If he was in danger or if indeed he needed peace you can change your appearence without changing sex. This is really drastic. As you all know apart from wearing make-up which many men have and do-he gave no indication or anything to suggest he was effeminate, in fact his dancing proved he was ALL MAN!!!
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I don't think Michael would go in such pain again and again to suffer another surgery especially at his 50's ...Disguised as a woman?: maybe.
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This is my theory. Either MJ went through yet some more even more extensive plastic surgery, even go through transsexual surgery, to look like someone totally different so he /she can walk amongst us undetected, OR MJ mingles with the other impersonators walking around out there to remain undetected. Take your pick.
Personally, I hate to draw the conclusion - but MJ is dead.
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Can you imagine, what would have happened, if he had done it in "life"?
Not saying this theory is the truth, I'm just saying, that "all hell would break loose".
"Death" before doing the change makes absolute sense - would be the ONLY way to keep the public out of that.
No more questions, no more paparazzi.
Yes exactly. If he underwent this or wanted to do this.. the hoax or death would make sense to me. No one would haunt him, everyone would leave him alone. Just like Marlon said. And the grief part would also make sense why the Jacksons seemed sad that he was dead but also happy that he is obviously alive. Grieving one part of him but celebrating another part of him. I asked weeks ago on this forum WHAT PART OF MICHAEL DIED ON JUNE 25TH. And to me this is a plausible theory.
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I don't for a second believe MJ has had a sex change. I won't judge anyone who chooses to believe that, but for me, that's just not possible. It's not as simple as just deciding to be a woman and then having an operation. There are processes in place to govern gender reassignment surgery. Chaz Bono is a perfect example. I've read a lot about what she/he is going through that describes the process. Counseling/Therapy is the first step; then a year or more of living as the desired gender; then hormone therapy etc. It's a process and not a quick one.
Also, why would he hoax his death, in the manner that he did, if the purpose was for gender reassignment? That makes no sense either. Rumors of drug abuse. Death by lethal injection of Propofol. A doctor suspected of manslaughter. Conspiracy theories. On and on. Not logical. He could have just made it look like a suicide or unquestionable murder or accident. There are too many rumors and innuendo floating around that just do not add up to MJ deciding on a sex change, and the best way to do it is to create a controversial death with a long, drawn-out investigation and everything else.
And beyond that, at what point has MJ ever hinted that he wanted to be a woman? Don't you think that juicy bit of information would have leaked out YEARS ago if it were true...if it were even suspected?! The molestation bull***t has been all over the place for years, and that crap isn't even true. So you can't tell me that MJ wanted to be a woman, no one ever suspected it or knew it besides him, and it never leaked out. Just because the man wears make up and is indeed a beautiful man, that does NOT mean he wants to be a woman!
This is just my opinion, and I we are all free to believe what we choose. There's just no way I could ever believe MJ wants to be a woman, nor faked his death to do just that.
I agree with this post. If he was in danger or if indeed he needed peace you can change your appearence without changing sex. This is really drastic. As you all know apart from wearing make-up which many men have and do-he gave no indication or anything to suggest he was effeminate, in fact his dancing proved he was ALL MAN!!!
TOTALLY agree with you, Harleyblonde!!! And let's not forget some other proof of his manliness: THE GOLD PANTS! I'm sorry, but I don't know how anyone who could secretly desire to be a woman would wear those GOLD PANTS and strut as only MJ could strut in them. No way!
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Anything is possible, come to think of it did't he start wearing some women fashion clothes..
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Anything is possible, come to think of it did't he start wearing some women fashion clothes..
Yeah because his friend was wearing them...i like men shirts does that make me any less woman?
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I wonder if MJ would laugh at this post or cry?
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I don't for a second believe MJ has had a sex change. I won't judge anyone who chooses to believe that, but for me, that's just not possible. It's not as simple as just deciding to be a woman and then having an operation. There are processes in place to govern gender reassignment surgery. Chaz Bono is a perfect example. I've read a lot about what she/he is going through that describes the process. Counseling/Therapy is the first step; then a year or more of living as the desired gender; then hormone therapy etc. It's a process and not a quick one.
Also, why would he hoax his death, in the manner that he did, if the purpose was for gender reassignment? That makes no sense either. Rumors of drug abuse. Death by lethal injection of Propofol. A doctor suspected of manslaughter. Conspiracy theories. On and on. Not logical. He could have just made it look like a suicide or unquestionable murder or accident. There are too many rumors and innuendo floating around that just do not add up to MJ deciding on a sex change, and the best way to do it is to create a controversial death with a long, drawn-out investigation and everything else.
And beyond that, at what point has MJ ever hinted that he wanted to be a woman? Don't you think that juicy bit of information would have leaked out YEARS ago if it were true...if it were even suspected?! The molestation bull***t has been all over the place for years, and that crap isn't even true. So you can't tell me that MJ wanted to be a woman, no one ever suspected it or knew it besides him, and it never leaked out. Just because the man wears make up and is indeed a beautiful man, that does NOT mean he wants to be a woman!
This is just my opinion, and I we are all free to believe what we choose. There's just no way I could ever believe MJ wants to be a woman, nor faked his death to do just that.
I agree with this post. If he was in danger or if indeed he needed peace you can change your appearence without changing sex. This is really drastic. As you all know apart from wearing make-up which many men have and do-he gave no indication or anything to suggest he was effeminate, in fact his dancing proved he was ALL MAN!!!
please re-read the post because apparently you haven't really understood what it says..... and then speculating about how his dancing is all man, you're comparing to what??? somewhere between 10 and 15 yrs ago, people change, and none of us really know what mj was up to between 2005 and now.
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MjHunny are u a man? cause as i see you'd love for Michael to be a woman. :lol:
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I think he did more plastic surgery to look like someone else cuz his face was unique, you can recognize him, you know what I mean? To faked your death you have 3 choices : you hide for the rest of your life, you comeback when you're ready or you comeback with a different appearance so no one'll recognize you. I don't believe about him being a woman now :roll: What about his childrens? Daddy, Mommy? too much disturbance don't you think?
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MjHunny are u a man? cause as i see you'd love for Michael to be a woman. :lol:
ROFL!!!! :lol: :lol:
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Me too -- I think that would be a very extreme way to deal with it. If it were me, I'd rather do what I want to do and if I lost fans, so be it. Rather than make every fan across the globe feel grief.
The sad reality is that Michael had an image, his career was based on a image and if he came out as transgender or told us that he didnt want to live the way he was living for the past 40 years I think many people would turn against him and the media would rip him apart. With Wacko Jacko I cant even imagine what they would call him if he came out openly as transgender/transsexual. He would sadly lose alot of fans and he would be haunted by the media once more. I think the hoax was a perfect way to let him live in peace and let him do whatever he wished to do without anyone minding his business and privacy.
I wouldnt mind if he came out either but I think he would. I really belive Michael would rather fake his death and forever remain mysterious as a legendary supericon than live for the rest of his life as a ''hasbeen'' or the superstar who did a sexchange and be ridiculed for it.
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I just want to ask one question....if MJ truly is alive...and if he did NOT have a sex change (which I will NEVER believe he did)...and if he is reading all this speculation RIGHT NOW...how do you all think that would make him feel? This is starting to get on the verge of tabloid nonsense, and we ALL know how much MJ has been hurt by the tabloids. I really think we should stop discussing this right now. I just think to be speculating about something so unfounded is really not respectful of MJ at all. He said in more than one interview that the tabloids are full of LIES, that they MAKE STUFF UP, that he is HUMAN so of course it hurts him. We just need to get off this topic, in my opinion. So I'm leaving it right now. :(
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Me too -- I think that would be a very extreme way to deal with it. If it were me, I'd rather do what I want to do and if I lost fans, so be it. Rather than make every fan across the globe feel grief.
The sad reality is that Michael had an image, his career was based on a image and if he came out as transgender or told us that he didnt want to live the way he was living for the past 40 years I think many people would turn against him and the media would rip him apart. With Wacko Jacko I cant even imagine what they would call him if he came out openly as transgender/transsexual. He would sadly lose alot of fans and he would be haunted by the media once more. I think the hoax was a perfect way to let him live in peace and let him do whatever he wished to do without anyone minding his business and privacy.
I wouldnt mind if he came out either but I think he would.
That is a good point... I guess I forget how most people feel about this since I live in one of the most liberal cities in the world. But I guess you are right that the media would rip him apart. And even worse, insinuate that this made him some kind of deviant who did harm children.
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You opinion is very plausable, and may be quite accurate. But there has to be a lot more to this. Truthseeker was saying that if she revealed too much it could put MJ in danger and also herself for what she knows. He was very afraid "they" were trying to kill him for the Sony catalog. I wonder if it has anything to do with that?
How can Maura have found out the truth and not Michaels enemies? she says he would be in danger if she revealed but surely the ones he was in danger from have more money and access to the greatest private investigators in the land. And for them to not know of MJs hoax death theories they would have to have been on another planet for the last 6 months. I find it very hard to believe that she would find out the "secret" and his enemies know *ugger all.
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This topic made me puke a bit ...really..i'm disgusted...
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MjHunny are u a man? cause as i see you'd love for Michael to be a woman. :lol:
ROFL!!!! :lol: :lol:
no, i'm just openminded!!!!
look, if you can entertain the idea of MJ faking his death for a movie or a grand comeback,or that the jacksons have hidden a secret brother for 50 odd years, or that mj could be DD or hatman etc...
i just don't get why mj is only looked at as a goldpants clad, thrusting pelvis man of 30 odd years old, when we have come many of times to the realisation that not everything regarding mj is nessecarily what it seems.
The guy is 51 years old people stop idolizing him like he was still in his thirties, if he did this i would'nt be surprised he must feel awful when he sees his "fans" only like him the way he looked back in the day...
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I understand if this discussion sounds offensive but so far nothing we've discussed from a hoax perspective have made much sense. If many of us, if some believe he has a secret twin brother, if many of us believe O2 MJ was an imposter, if many of us believe Blondy at memorial was Michael and if all of us believe he hoaxed his death and is still alive then I dont think any topic is too farfetched on a hoax forum.
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I just want to ask one question....if MJ truly is alive...and if he did NOT have a sex change (which I will NEVER believe he did)...and if he is reading all this speculation RIGHT NOW...how do you all think that would make him feel? This is starting to get on the verge of tabloid nonsense, and we ALL know how much MJ has been hurt by the tabloids. I really think we should stop discussing this right now. I just think to be speculating about something so unfounded is really not respectful of MJ at all. He said in more than one interview that the tabloids are full of LIES, that they MAKE STUFF UP, that he is HUMAN so of course it hurts him. We just need to get off this topic, in my opinion. So I'm leaving it right now. :(
I'm not sure what he would feel. Michael, if you're reading this, would you PLEASE let us know? Pretty please! We all miss you! :)
But I think people's differing views on this topic are rooted in people's beliefs about what it means to be transgendered. Some people may be uncomfortable with the idea for all sorts of reasons. I'm personally very liberal and open-minded about that stuff, so it's not an offensive topic to me at all. But I respect that it might be offensive speculation to some. I think it's worth discussing.... and if there is no proof or other clues to the contrary are found, then we'll go in a different direction. Right now there is so much to think about that I don't want to dismiss anything because it's not what people were expecting. I say all this with respect for your beliefs.
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Anything is possible, come to think of it did't he start wearing some women fashion clothes..
Yeah because his friend was wearing them...i like men shirts does that make me any less woman?
Personaly I dont think so, I dont think he would become a woman because he loves women......
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This topic made me puke a bit ...really..i'm disgusted...
by what??? after all the "theories" that have been offered on this forum, does this one seem so farfetched???
If this is what happened and mj is reading this, he will have yet more proof that people can be so judgemental
See , it works both ways...
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I just want to ask one question....if MJ truly is alive...and if he did NOT have a sex change (which I will NEVER believe he did)...and if he is reading all this speculation RIGHT NOW...how do you all think that would make him feel? This is starting to get on the verge of tabloid nonsense, and we ALL know how much MJ has been hurt by the tabloids. I really think we should stop discussing this right now. I just think to be speculating about something so unfounded is really not respectful of MJ at all. He said in more than one interview that the tabloids are full of LIES, that they MAKE STUFF UP, that he is HUMAN so of course it hurts him. We just need to get off this topic, in my opinion. So I'm leaving it right now. :(
I agree with Christiana, it is getting quite personal and I think we need to take stock. I am not saying there is or is not truth in this-I and no-one else knows for sure. I do not think so but at the end of the day if there is no truth in this it is not nice to speak of him in this way.
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MjHunny are u a man? cause as i see you'd love for Michael to be a woman. :lol:
ROFL!!!! :lol: :lol:
no, i'm just openminded!!!!
look, if you can entertain the idea of MJ faking his death for a movie or a grand comeback,or that the jacksons have hidden a secret brother for 50 odd years, or that mj could be DD or hatman etc...
i just don't get why mj is only looked at as a goldpants clad, thrusting pelvis man of 30 odd years old, when we have come many of times to the realisation that not everything regarding mj is nessecarily what it seems.
The guy is 51 years old people stop idolizing him like he was still in his thirties, if he did this i would'nt be surprised he must feel awful when he sees his "fans" only like him the way he looked back in the day...
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Just as a point of information, I don't idolize him like he was in his 30's. I have some great images in my brain of him in those gold pants, and I found him to be quite hot while wearing them. But my favorite photos of him are actually much later than the gold pants era. I'm in my mid-40's, and I love the older MJ just as much (if not more) than the gold pants era MJ. I was simply trying to make a point.
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MjHunny are u a man? cause as i see you'd love for Michael to be a woman. :lol:
ROFL!!!! :lol: :lol:
no, i'm just openminded!!!!
look, if you can entertain the idea of MJ faking his death for a movie or a grand comeback,or that the jacksons have hidden a secret brother for 50 odd years, or that mj could be DD or hatman etc...
i just don't get why mj is only looked at as a goldpants clad, thrusting pelvis man of 30 odd years old, when we have come many of times to the realisation that not everything regarding mj is nessecarily what it seems.
The guy is 51 years old people stop idolizing him like he was still in his thirties, if he did this i would'nt be surprised he must feel awful when he sees his "fans" only like him the way he looked back in the day...
Well,if i dislike the idea or simply i don't think Mj would do that makes me closeminded? I don't wanna argue,i come in peace...but saying that Michael is a woman now makes me sad.Think about the tabloid photo of him with Pamela's body...i still have it in my mind and brings me to tears.
Michael was always a fan of women's perfumes clothes makeup i think he finds these things as a part of an art: and as he wasn't ashamed to wear them he wouldn't be ashamed to become a woman: but he didn't ! and that says it all.
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hey could you give me a link of him and Sade, i never seen it....gone Michael with ya bad self!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tr95w9_gw8
Hope that works.
Watch the hands.
At the end.
:lol:
i think you're missing the point, the OP clearly said it WAS NOT on a whim and that she believed MJ was in danger but rather than go into witness protection and be seperated from his children he opted for something he's always secretly wanted.... and to those who say MJ wouldn't do that.... HOW DO YOU KNOW?? unless you know him personally and if that were the case you wouldn't be here speculating on whether or not he hoaxed his death
My own belief is that most men, no matter HOW much danger they were in, WOULD NOT allow any sharp objects near their penis. :lol:
Dress as a woman?
Maybe.
He liked disguises.
And privacy.
But surgery???
I don't think so.
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hmmmmmm.....
I have a hard time accepting this theory for multiple reasons.
1)He was always openly heterosexual. True he never bashed those of other sexual preferences, but he always spoke of infatuations and crushes on women.
2)If you watch videos of him with women, he seems.... interested. :lol: Like with Beyonce, performing with Siedah Garret, and rehearsing with Sade(where he looked like he held back on touching her bootay :P ). And the older he got, the more open and overt his sexuality became. At least in his videos and flirting with fans & women he admired.
3)While he seemed non-judgemental of the BGLT community, I read some conflicting reports that after a man came onto him he quoted or read verses of the Bible to him? Maybe someone else knows where that came from? I read too much and don't remember.
4)Even if he *WAS* homosexual, there's a HUGE difference between being homosexual and being willing to go through sex change operations. From what I've read/seen, it's a long drawn out process involving years of taking hormones and **LIVING AS THE OPPOSITE SEX** for a certain amount of time BEFORE the surgery is allowed to take place.
So really, if this was feasible, I think we would have seen signs of it coming.
Like he probably wouldn't have had as much stubble - being on hormones would have decreased his facial hair growth.
He probably would have been dressing more feminine.
And I don't mean the jilbab/dress that he wore when visiting Bahrain because that was no more than a disguise as he never wore it outside of that environment.
And he seemed to be dressing a bit more masculine in a way - more regular-ish looking clothes(black jeans, button up shirts, trucker hat, etc).
Well, as regular as Michael Jackson was willing to dress. :lol:
I don't know.
These are just my 2 cents.
hey could you give me a link of him and Sade, i never seen it....gone Michael with ya bad self!
I never saw this video either! Do you have a link?
Let me tell you: if I was any close to Sade, I'd have to hold myself back :lol:
Most beautiful woman on this plane!
I'm a hetero girl, by the way... But MJ and Sade were my first (musical) loves!
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I totally understand if people don't agree with this theory, but I just don't see it as offensive. I found it more offensive to suggest that Dave DAve was MJ in disguise because I know a person who is badly burned and this seemed in poor taste to me. But I am glad we were allowed to speak of that because it's allowed me to re-watch that LKL interview with a different perspective.
I am reminded of the spoken into of Madonna's "What It Feels Like For A Girl"
"Girls can wear jeans
And cut their hair short
Wear shirts and boots
'Cause it's OK to be a boy
But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading
'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading"
What do bad about looking like a woman, feeling like a woman, or being a woman? I bet a lot of us here are women. :D
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I just want to ask one question....if MJ truly is alive...and if he did NOT have a sex change (which I will NEVER believe he did)...and if he is reading all this speculation RIGHT NOW...how do you all think that would make him feel? This is starting to get on the verge of tabloid nonsense, and we ALL know how much MJ has been hurt by the tabloids. I really think we should stop discussing this right now. I just think to be speculating about something so unfounded is really not respectful of MJ at all. He said in more than one interview that the tabloids are full of LIES, that they MAKE STUFF UP, that he is HUMAN so of course it hurts him. We just need to get off this topic, in my opinion. So I'm leaving it right now. :(
I agree with Christiana, it is getting quite personal and I think we need to take stock. I am not saying there is or is not truth in this-I and no-one else knows for sure. I do not think so but at the end of the day if there is no truth in this it is not nice to speak of him in this way.
ok harley what are we allowed to discuss then?? you commented yourself a few posts up that you find his dancing "all man"
now if that would'nt redden his cheeks , embarras him and make him uncomfortable??? Gold pants etc... ripping the loincloth off from the pic discussing his legs being female like...IDK but you can take pretty much offense in everything written on this forum nowadays...
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hey could you give me a link of him and Sade, i never seen it....gone Michael with ya bad self!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tr95w9_gw8
Hope that works.
Watch the hands.
At the end.
:lol:
Oh - that's not Sade. Just the same hairstyle...
BUT HER NEW ALBUM IS CALLED "SOLDIER OF LOVE" - heehee :D
Thank you, Sade!
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hey could you give me a link of him and Sade, i never seen it....gone Michael with ya bad self!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tr95w9_gw8
Hope that works.
Watch the hands.
At the end.
:lol:
i think you're missing the point, the OP clearly said it WAS NOT on a whim and that she believed MJ was in danger but rather than go into witness protection and be seperated from his children he opted for something he's always secretly wanted.... and to those who say MJ wouldn't do that.... HOW DO YOU KNOW?? unless you know him personally and if that were the case you wouldn't be here speculating on whether or not he hoaxed his death
My own belief is that most men, no matter HOW much danger they were in, WOULD NOT allow any sharp objects near their penis. :lol:
Dress as a woman?
Maybe.
He liked disguises.
And privacy.
But surgery???
I don't think so.
thank you doll!
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hey could you give me a link of him and Sade, i never seen it....gone Michael with ya bad self!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tr95w9_gw8
Hope that works.
Watch the hands.
At the end.
:lol:
Oh - that's not Sade. Just the same hairstyle...
Thank you. :oops:
I found it posted somewhere else *saying* that is was Sade.
I still thought the end where he's trying not to touch the bootay was funny.
:lol:
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
There was a plastic surgeon when interviewed about Michael Jackson's surgeries said that MJ wanted to look like a "white woman". He worked on Michael's nose after another dr had screwed it up. He was German and I believe it was sometime in 2005. He was not "authorized" to give the interview and there was a big uproar over it.
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Sorry to spoil the fun here... But Michael did not have a sexchange... He is still a man... And don't look for him in the US coz hes not there... We need to put our focus elsewhere... We need to look harder...
He is out there
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Anything is possible, come to think of it did't he start wearing some women fashion clothes..
It could also explain why he got so thin in the past year.
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Sorry to spoil the fun here... But Michael did not have a sexchange... He is still a man... And don't look for him in the US coz hes not there... We need to put our focus elsewhere... We need to look harder...
He is out there
and you know this how????? if u have information please share.......
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Anything is possible, come to think of it did't he start wearing some women fashion clothes..
It could also explain why he got so thin in the past year.
Michael was thin since he was 20 that doesen't mean anything.
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
:D THANK GOD FOR YOU I THOUGHT I WAS DRUNK FOR A MINUTE HOW DOES DRESSING IN DISGUISE AS BLONDIE TURN IN TO A SEX CHANGE I AM STAYING IN MY CELL FOR A VERY LONG TIME
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Sorry to spoil the fun here... But Michael did not have a sexchange... He is still a man... And don't look for him in the US coz hes not there... We need to put our focus elsewhere... We need to look harder...
He is out there
and you know this how????? if u have information please share.......
And i would love to, but look what happend to Maura... And do i want this???? No not at all...
We need to look after him elsewhere besides the Us... That's all folks
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Sheesh! Is this what happens when there's no real news to follow? Sorry but this one of the reasons people think us hoax-believers are all crazy weirdo's. This in my opinion can be put aside with all those other crazed out theories on here and on other sites.
Look, I respect your opinion, however I totally disagree with it. This is whacked! Next people are gonna say he has secretly changed into Katherine Jackson so he could be the one raising his kids!
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Nah i think Michael is a penguin now...cause he made that penguin move in the TII.
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Right so instead of michael, we could be looking at the possibility of having michelle Jackson. The thing about the clues and TII , how do we know what to look for? If we find it how do we interpret it?
Some strange thing is that if this is what he wanted and this Blonde is mike.. Then the amount of surgery and therapy required for that and why so late in life? Sorry I'm by brain is trying to process this lol , I don't want to believe it, but if and only if this is it then ..... Well that will be hard to take.
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What can you do! The hoax makes some of us crazier than others. :lol: :lol: :D :lol:
I have lost my sanity as of today. I thought I had gone crazy two months ago but Im officially a padded cell patient. :lol:
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Nah i think Michael is a penguin now...cause he made that penguin move in the TII.
Haha, I have to admit that is funny. Maybe he is a space alien because he wore a gold space suit. 8-)
I'm glad we can all have a laugh as well as share theories. You guys are great.
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
:D THANK GOD FOR YOU I THOUGHT I WAS DRUNK FOR A MINUTE HOW DOES DRESSING IN DISGUISE AS BLONDIE TURN IN TO A SEX CHANGE I AM STAYING IN MY CELL FOR A VERY LONG TIME
Move over Spakkle, make some room for me in your cell! Lol
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Sheesh! Is this what happens when there's no real news to follow? Sorry but this one of the reasons people think us hoax-believers are all crazy weirdo's. This in my opinion can be put aside with all those other crazed out theories on here and on other sites.
Look, I respect your opinion, however I totally disagree with it. This is whacked! Next people are gonna say he has secretly changed into Katherine Jackson so he could be the one raising his kids!
Actually I take the "Katherine Jackson" part back, maybe he's really Grace R (the nanny). Hey that's feasible, like she's with the kids all the time :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Sheesh! Is this what happens when there's no real news to follow? Sorry but this one of the reasons people think us hoax-believers are all crazy weirdo's. This in my opinion can be put aside with all those other crazed out theories on here and on other sites.
Look, I respect your opinion, however I totally disagree with it. This is whacked! Next people are gonna say he has secretly changed into Katherine Jackson so he could be the one raising his kids!
I'm not saying this at all... of course hes NOT Katherine or LaToya... Why do you even think he had a sexchange... Because we think he is the blond woman at the memorial??? Hell i remember a halloween where i was dressed like Johnny Depp ( don't laugh remember HALLOWEEN) but that doesn't make me a man today... I'm 100% woman... And do we know it's him at the memorial... NO... But it's still a good theory though
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The crotch grab made him famous among other things...what will he grab now? :cry:
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Sheesh! Is this what happens when there's no real news to follow? Sorry but this one of the reasons people think us hoax-believers are all crazy weirdo's. This in my opinion can be put aside with all those other crazed out theories on here and on other sites.
Look, I respect your opinion, however I totally disagree with it. This is whacked! Next people are gonna say he has secretly changed into Katherine Jackson so he could be the one raising his kids!
I'm not saying this at all... of course hes NOT Katherine or LaToya... Why do you even think he had a sexchange... Because we think he is the blond woman at the memorial??? Hell i remember a halloween where i was dressed like Johnny Depp ( don't laugh remember HALLOWEEN) but that doesn't make me a man today... I'm 100% woman... And do we know it's him at the memorial... NO... But it's still a good theory though
Ok, I don't understand your response to me because I DON"T believe he has had a sexchange. Whether or not he was blondie, I don't know. I'm just saying the theories are getting more and more far-fetched and crazy! This is what the tabloids did to Michael, turn him into something he is not. Let's not add fuel to the fire for them.
Look if you want to believe it, that's your decision. I think it's totally ridiculous..... but that's just my opinion.
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The crotch grab made him famous among other things...what will he grab now? :cry:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ... I did have a comment, but maybe not a good thing to write. After all there are PG rated ears and eyes that read these forums.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Wow. I don't know what people have been eating and drinking for the holidays, but many posts in the last few days have been totally off the wall, as in just too ridiculous to even take seriously OR humorously.
Some recent posts seem to imply that some people believe nothing is beyond Michael, as if he would do just about any ridiculous thing folks can think up. What kind of man do you think he is that he would fake his death and put his children, loved ones, fans, and HIMSELF through so much drama, only to have a sex change operation to become a blonde white woman permanently? Do you really think there are NO simpler solutions available to one of the richest men on the planet? How much rational thought are people putting into these "theories" before they post them?
If Michael is reading this, he's as APPALLED as I am that anyone would believe, even for a nanosecond, that he would do something like that OR he's laughing his a$$ off while rolling on the floor laughing OR he's appalled and choking on laughter at the same time.
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Ok guys! U all r crazy! Im the only sane person here so far! MJ has nothing to do with that woman!
I know a person who was at the funerals and as soon as I see her (she comes to my work once in a while) Im gonna ask her a question about that woman! Im pretty sure, she might know! But please stop it about MJ being that blondie, how would he explain it to his children? Then family would still know and earlier or later someone would "leak" the "secret" and the world would be spread. MJ woudnt put himself in the situation like that! lol so silly.
K.
:D THANK GOD FOR YOU I THOUGHT I WAS DRUNK FOR A MINUTE HOW DOES DRESSING IN DISGUISE AS BLONDIE TURN IN TO A SEX CHANGE I AM STAYING IN MY CELL FOR A VERY LONG TIME
Move over Spakkle, make some room for me in your cell! Lol
Anymore room for me...I think I might need a key because I'm on the verge of moving in with you guys
I'm packing my bags at the moment..I'll be there soon :lol:
Michael wouldn't do this...That's going alittle overboard don't you think?
This is making Michael seem more like the so called "freak" the media painted for years. "Have we taken possiblity to far?"..I think with this... we just have :(
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Sheesh! Is this what happens when there's no real news to follow? Sorry but this one of the reasons people think us hoax-believers are all crazy weirdo's. This in my opinion can be put aside with all those other crazed out theories on here and on other sites.
Look, I respect your opinion, however I totally disagree with it. This is whacked! Next people are gonna say he has secretly changed into Katherine Jackson so he could be the one raising his kids!
I'm not saying this at all... of course hes NOT Katherine or LaToya... Why do you even think he had a sexchange... Because we think he is the blond woman at the memorial??? Hell i remember a halloween where i was dressed like Johnny Depp ( don't laugh remember HALLOWEEN) but that doesn't make me a man today... I'm 100% woman... And do we know it's him at the memorial... NO... But it's still a good theory though
Ok, I don't understand your response to me because I DON"T believe he has had a sexchange. Whether or not he was blondie, I don't know. I'm just saying the theories are getting more and more far-fetched and crazy! This is what the tabloids did to Michael, turn him into something he is not. Let's not add fuel to the fire for them.
Look if you want to believe it, that's your decision. I think it's totally ridiculous..... but that's just my opinion.
I responded to you because of the Katherine thing... and it's not because i want to yell at you... Not at all... So i'm sorry if i have been a B*tch... I didn't mean too... Okay i need a serious holiday :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Wow. I don't know what people have been eating and drinking for the holidays, but many posts in the last few days have been totally off the wall, as in just too ridiculous to even take seriously OR humorously.
Some recent posts seem to imply that some people believe nothing is beyond Michael, as if he would do just about any ridiculous thing folks can think up. What kind of man do you think he is that he would fake his death and put his children, loved ones, fans, and HIMSELF through so much drama, only to have a sex change operation to become a blonde white woman permanently? Do you really think there are NO simpler solutions available to one of the richest men on the planet? How much rational thought are people putting into these "theories" before they post them?
If Michael is reading this, he's as APPALLED as I am that anyone would believe, even for a nanosecond, that he would do something like that OR he's laughing his a$$ off while rolling on the floor laughing OR he's appalled and choking on laughter at the same time.
I so agree, everyone has a right to their opinions, BUT what is going on lately??? This is like tabloid garbage. I mean now we are saying he had a sex change?? Other topics suggesting he was a sex slave and stuff seriously this is turning into a circus and a joke. I really think that people are becoming worse than the press.
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NO I HAVE TO SAY THIS THREAD IS JUST TO OUTRAGEOUS IT IS LIKE WE ARE RIDICULING MJ AND THAT MAKES ME VERY :( HE HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS ALL HIS LIFE FROM THE MEDIA AND YOU KNOW WHAT IF I WAS HIM AND SAW THIS THREAD I WOULD NOT COME BACK SORRY I HAD TO SAY THIS FOR WHAT IS LEFT OF MY OWN SANITY THINGS HERE ARE CHANGING AND SOMETIMES IT IS NOT NICE TO SEE IF WE HIS FANS CAN TREAT HIM LIKE THIS WHAT WILL THE HATERS DO :(
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The crotch grab made him famous among other things...what will he grab now? :cry:
Ur cracking me up! :lol:
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Thank God for some users who don't believe this crap.And thank God i'm so "closed minded" ;)
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O and let me clarify...I am NOT attacking any one but sometimes we need to really step back and ask ourselves is this topic going a little too far and remember that we are better than the people who made up these kind of things about him for years!
And someone else posted we need to be looking for him outside the US..the place I think he is if not the US is Africa, IMO. Listen to the 2005 interview with Rev, Jesse Jackson, he talks about conspiracy ALOT and Africa and how there was some serious stuff going down over his catalogue and all this during his trial. It is something to REALLY pay attention too.
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I cant believe this topic is still going! Some one should delete it, before dirty ppl see it and start new nasty rumors about MJ!!!
K.
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until the truth is shown to us backed-up with proof and nothing but proof , i believe that anything is possible....but then i am open-minded and will try all theories for size and not fixate on debunking other peoples theory with comments such as "mj wouldn't like this or that or whatever" how do anyone of us know what mj really liked??? that's my whole point, we do not know and thus we speculate UNTIL PROVEN WRONG by tangible and credible proof
some people here were even ready to believe he and dr murray were one and the same person!!! how sick is that?? not so sick IMO, it's a theory like any other...as is DD or hatman, or that he was even disguised as blond lady at memorial with cleavage showing and wearing a little black dress with legs showing and holding hands with the colored guy, this is also pure speculation
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God...where is that "blonde woman"? i so wish she'd come up to and say "it was me.not mjj"
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The crotch grab made him famous among other things...what will he grab now? :cry:
LOL...I am 100% sure he still does have a lot to grab... :D
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The crotch grab made him famous among other things...what will he grab now? :cry:
LOL...I am 100% sure he still does have a lot to grab... :D
hey don't say that because in this forum you can't ever be 100 % sure of things especially of Michael...: you don't know him remember?! :lol: ;)
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"knowshesalive" :I responded to you because of the Katherine thing... and it's not because i want to yell at you... Not at all... So i'm sorry if i have been a B*tch... I didn't mean too... Okay i need a serious holiday :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
No need to apologise, you weren't being the B-Word. I thought you thought I was argeeing to this sexchange thing. I just didn't understand how the OP got from discussing on other threads whether or not the eyes, face, nose, ears of blondie matched Michael to her actually becoming Michael!! The Katherine and Grace thing was just a joke to how far fetched theories and opinions are becoming .... awe must be my kiwi sense of humour :) .... cause it sounded funny to me in my head b4 I typed it :lol: :lol: :lol:
To whoever does believe this theory, hey you are more than welcome to it. I just don't see or believe it.
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I cant believe this topic is still going! Some one should delete it, before dirty ppl see it and start new nasty rumors about MJ!!!
K.
THANK YOU WELL SAID I COULD NOT AGREE MORE
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Oh Michael also wore so much Christian Audigier clothing: does that mean he's Christian's woman model now? okay...is there any more room for me in the nuts hospital.let me know!
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Oh Michael also wore so much Christian Audigier clothing: does that mean he's Christian's woman model now? okay...is there any more room for me in the nuts hospital.let me know!
:lol: :lol: Come join us in the hospital, meeting in one hour :lol: :lol:
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Oh Michael also wore so much Christian Audigier clothing: does that mean he's Christian's woman model now? okay...is there any more room for me in the nuts hospital.let me know!
:lol: :lol: Come join us in the hospital, meeting in one hour :lol: :lol:
That's too late i'm already breaking loose
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What I find truly discouraging in all this is how easily this theory is being accepted when it has been supported by only ONE possible clue, that he might have disguised himself as a woman. Yet other theories with many clues connecting them to Michael or theories which are very well researched and have evidence to support them such as the NWO theories are thrown out by many with out doing any research. I find it very disappointing, not to mention what Michael probably thinks of all this. Oh and by the way though Michael respected all of his fans, accepted them as individuals no matter their sexuality, he is 100% heterosexual if that even matters anyway.
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maybe we are missing the obvious..maybe thats why he was using propofol..what is used in surgery right???maybe he had the surgery for reassignment?? something went wrong?I don't know..I am just throwing ideas out there.
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until the truth is shown to us backed-up with proof and nothing but proof , i believe that anything is possible....but then i am open-minded and will try all theories for size and not fixate on debunking other peoples theory with comments such as "mj wouldn't like this or that or whatever" how do anyone of us know what mj really liked??? that's my whole point, we do not know and thus we speculate UNTIL PROVEN WRONG by tangible and credible proof
some people here were even ready to believe he and dr murray were one and the same person!!! how sick is that?? not so sick IMO, it's a theory like any other...as is DD or hatman, or that he was even disguised as blond lady at memorial with cleavage showing and wearing a little black dress with legs showing and holding hands with the colored guy, this is also pure speculation
Anyone can come up with a theory though, because in reality we all don't have solid proof either way or we wouldn't all be here. If you post things like this and have an open-mind as you say, then your open-mind should be well aware that some will post positive and supportive comments and others will not.
Just because some of us (including me) don't support it, that doesn't mean we are being unsupportive of you as a fellow fan and believer in this. As you mentioned "anything is possible" and your right. Anything is. However I think Michael deserves some respect in our theories and opinions of him. He is after all a human and we need to be respectful in the claims we make against or toward him.
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@Happyfeet -applause applause applause!
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If Michael is a woman or a man i still would love his personality...because mentally he can't change..so he'd still be charming caring.etc.And that won't change a thing....if indeed he's a woman we'd look for the needle in the thatch.
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What I find truly discouraging in all this is how easily this theory is being accepted when it has been supported by only ONE possible clue, that he might have disguised himself as a woman. Yet other theories with many clues connecting them to Michael or theories which are very well researched and have evidence to support them such as the NWO theories are thrown out by many with out doing any research. I find it very disappointing, not to mention what Michael probably thinks of all this. Oh and by the way though Michael respected all of his fans, accepted them as individuals no matter their sexuality, he is 100% heterosexual if that even matters anyway.
I agree with you and I think it's sad too. On the other thread saying that she knows Michael is alive, people were angry and pissed off and wanted to know how did she get the info (it's normal tho).
We can feel that we're tired and I don't like the way people answer.
We're having a discussion, people will agree and others don't. Doesn't need to fight or being rude (im not talking about you Serenitys Dream), it's just in most cases people lose their temper and sometimes I ask myself if it's all about L.O.V.E.
I think we're searching for more and more clues and sometimes it sounds nuts (or not). If people believe Michael's a woman now ==> OK, let's discuss about your that, let's argument and talk gently, you know what I mean?
Lucky you if you understand what I just said :lol:
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Anyone can come up with a theory though, because in reality we all don't have solid proof either way or we wouldn't all be here. If you post things like this and have an open-mind as you say, then your open-mind should be well aware that some will post positive and supportive comments and others will not.
Just because some of us (including me) don't support it, that doesn't mean we are being unsupportive of you as a fellow fan and believer in this. As you mentioned "anything is possible" and your right. Anything is. However I think Michael deserves some respect in our theories and opinions of him. He is after all a human and we need to be respectful in the claims we make against or toward him.
Agreed! :)
Also, I don't think that him being thin would have anything to do with transgender reassignment.
When you take estrogen, it would decrease your muscle mass and INCREASE your fat deposits.
MJ would more than likely have GAINED weight in obviously feminine areas -hips, thighs, stomach, breasts, etc.
His face would have rounded out and become softer, NOT more masculine with a pronounced jaw line.
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I wouldn't be devasted if Michael decided to spend the rest of his life as a woman. For years I've wondered why he wears a full face of woman's makeup all the time. Has anyone ever really questioned that? I mean, think about this: many male entertainers do wear makeup for photoshoots and performances (Criss Angel comes to mind immediately -- he's always in black eyeliner). But Michael really wears a FULL face -- including foundation, mascara, lipstick, etc. (even back to his 'Bad' days) I know it's more acceptable these days and it doesn't seem as if anyone ever really questioned it. But didn't Lisa Marie say that Mike was too embarrassed to let his own wife even see him in the mornings without any makeup on?
I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me completely. And I would totally understand if it was true. I'd love him for what he has done for the world either way. He should be happy, no matter what.
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Honestly..I wish Maura never posted anything.Because now a door has been opened that will never close.
We love you Michael..no matter what!
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I agree with you and I think it's sad too. On the other thread saying that she knows Michael is alive, people were angry and pissed off and wanted to know how did she get the info (it's normal tho).
I think people got pissed because there have been so many, "I KNOW HE'S ALIVE AND I HAVE PROOF!!!but I'm not going to show you " threads that it's annoying and stupid at this point. <---- My own personal opinion.
I wouldn't be devasted if Michael decided to spend the rest of his life as a woman. For years I've wondered why he wears a full face of woman's makeup all the time. Has anyone ever really questioned that? I mean, think about this: many male entertainers do wear makeup for photoshoots and performances (Criss Angel comes to mind immediately -- he's always in black eyeliner). But Michael really wears a FULL face -- including foundation, mascara, lipstick, etc. (even back to his 'Bad' days) I know it's more acceptable these days and it doesn't seem as if anyone ever really questioned it. But didn't Lisa Marie say that Mike was too embarrassed to let his own wife even see him in the mornings without any makeup on?
I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me completely. And I would totally understand if it was true. I'd love him for what he has done for the world either way. He should be happy, no matter what.
I wondered that too, until I saw pics that showed more of his vitiligo.
He didn't wear all that much makeup except on stage until the vitiligo started to get bad and spread all over his face and body.
It also takes the pigment from your lips, so to look like you even HAVE lips, you have to wear something on them.
He was also used to being photographed constantly by paparzzi, so he probably never had a moment where he could have an "off" day and go out of the house without makeup.
Another one who wears makeup constantly and dressed MUCH more feminine than MJ is Prince.
Make up, ruffles, lace, and high heels...
But I don't wonder about his sexuality or think he's gonna go through a sex change operation any time soon. ;)
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I wouldn't be devasted if Michael decided to spend the rest of his life as a woman. For years I've wondered why he wears a full face of woman's makeup all the time. Has anyone ever really questioned that? I mean, think about this: many male entertainers do wear makeup for photoshoots and performances (Criss Angel comes to mind immediately -- he's always in black eyeliner). But Michael really wears a FULL face -- including foundation, mascara, lipstick, etc. (even back to his 'Bad' days) I know it's more acceptable these days and it doesn't seem as if anyone ever really questioned it. But didn't Lisa Marie say that Mike was too embarrassed to let his own wife even see him in the mornings without any makeup on?
I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me completely. And I would totally understand if it was true. I'd love him for what he has done for the world either way. He should be happy, no matter what.
I wouldn't be devastated too, it's his choice, until he's happy then i'll :D Me too I always wonder why he wears all this makeup and didn't want LMP to see him in the morning. I think he always wanted to look "perfect", he wanted to show his best face and I guess he didn't like himself without makeup :( maybe vitiligo too, I saw pics where makeup is missing on his forehead and you can see splotch :| I don't like to think that he didn't like his appearance, now it makes me sad :(
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Honestly..I wish Maura never posted anything.Because now a door has been opened that will never close.
We love you Michael..no matter what!
I second that !! Thanks Doreentbird !!!! :D
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Sorry Michael but I have to say this...
There is no way Michael would have desires to be female the way he had major hardons on stage:
[youtube:3nt3p7x0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyhTfgeU2Dk[/youtube:3nt3p7x0]
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Sorry Michael but I have to say this...
There is no way Michael would have desires to be female the way he had constant hardons on stage:
[youtube:mv1qnqzv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyhTfgeU2Dk[/youtube:mv1qnqzv]
Lmao i love this song....
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LMAO, i love the description of the video on youtube :lol: :lol:
"WARNING! this video will almost definitely cause moisture in the pelvic regions of the human body. i am not responsible for any fainting, heart failure or death by sexy overload... please comment. Thank you" :lol: :lol:
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Continuing on with Michael's "assets"....
We know he didn't wear underwear and I doubt he wore jock straps either. He wanted to be free and clearly visible. :mrgreen:
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i sincerely apologize if i offend anyone, but this topic hurt me...very much. i do not believe Michael went through a sex change. i think if he read this right now, he might feel so betrayed by his own believers.
i don't know if you guys ever came across this graphic (which i shall not post), but i remember years ago, i saw a graphic of michael as a boy & as an older man. the caption said: only in America can a poor black boy turn into a rich white woman. another picture was of Michael's on Pamela Anderson's body. & another was a picture of a woman sitting, with Michael's face on it with no nose.
do you see how degrading all of that is? do you all see how disgusting that is? it is ignorance, it is so hurtful. why would he undergo a sex change to forever be out of the spotlight? it is like him, satisfying those disgusting theories of him wanting to become a female. i think i might want to tear up after typing this, because although i am not Michael, my heart is very disappointed at this "theory." please, do not call me close-minded for my belief. you all are free to have your own ideas, but this...i just do not believe it is appropriate for Michael's being. him changing into a woman, not only satisfies the stupid tabloid's graphics, but could severely affect his children & his family psychologically.
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Sorry Michael but I have to say this...
There is no way Michael would have desires to be female the way he had major hardons on stage:
[youtube:3etsnoa7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyhTfgeU2Dk[/youtube:3etsnoa7]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ..... yeah I've noticed err.......a few of those in some of his other performances :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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After that sugar he gave me in 98 I can tell you without doubt that that man is 1000% sure in who he is as a "MAN"...K, this topic is just retarded :roll: ......and yes I got to kiss big daddy.......on the lips. ;)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/scan0055-1.jpg)
This is all man here ladies. :D
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thank you for posting that video..definitely needed to lighten the mood. :twisted:
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sex change??? LOL
oh my I can't stop laughing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Honestly..I wish Maura never posted anything.Because now a door has been opened that will never close.
We love you Michael..no matter what!
I second that !! Thanks Doreentbird !!!! :D
You are welcome :P
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After that sugar he gave me in 98 I can tell you without doubt that that man is 1000% sure in who he is as a "MAN"...K, this topic is just retarded :roll: ......and yes I got to kiss big daddy.......on the lips. ;)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/scan0055-1.jpg)
This is all man here ladies. :D
WHAAAAAT? :lol:
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After that sugar he gave me in 98 I can tell you without doubt that that man is 1000% sure in who he is as a "MAN"...K, this topic is just retarded :roll: ......and yes I got to kiss big daddy.......on the lips. ;)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/scan0055-1.jpg)
This is all man here ladies. :D
WHAAAAAT? :lol:
ditto, WHAAAT!? you got to kiss Michael? please explain :P
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i sincerely apologize if i offend anyone, but this topic hurt me...very much. i do not believe Michael went through a sex change. i think if he read this right now, he might feel so betrayed by his own believers.
i don't know if you guys ever came across this graphic (which i shall not post), but i remember years ago, i saw a graphic of michael as a boy & as an older man. the caption said: only in America can a poor black boy turn into a rich white woman. another picture was of Michael's on Pamela Anderson's body. & another was a picture of a woman sitting, with Michael's face on it with no nose.
do you see how degrading all of that is? do you all see how disgusting that is? it is ignorance, it is so hurtful. why would he undergo a sex change to forever be out of the spotlight? it is like him, satisfying those disgusting theories of him wanting to become a female. i think i might want to tear up after typing this, because although i am not Michael, my heart is very disappointed at this "theory." please, do not call me close-minded for my belief. you all are free to have your own ideas, but this...i just do not believe it is appropriate for Michael's being. him changing into a woman, not only satisfies the stupid tabloid's graphics, but could severely affect his children & his family psychologically.
I agree. Which is why I was trying to turn the topic into Michael's ..uh...pole. I think he'd rather read about that than the original topic. ;)
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After that sugar he gave me in 98 I can tell you without doubt that that man is 1000% sure in who he is as a "MAN"...K, this topic is just retarded :roll: ......and yes I got to kiss big daddy.......on the lips. ;)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/scan0055-1.jpg)
This is all man here ladies. :D
Dayyyyuuuummm!!!!
DEEETTTTSSS!!!
Were they soft?
Did they taste good?
Was there tongue????
What did he smell like?
Inquiring minds want to know!
:lol:
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i sincerely apologize if i offend anyone, but this topic hurt me...very much. i do not believe Michael went through a sex change. i think if he read this right now, he might feel so betrayed by his own believers.
i don't know if you guys ever came across this graphic (which i shall not post), but i remember years ago, i saw a graphic of michael as a boy & as an older man. the caption said: only in America can a poor black boy turn into a rich white woman. another picture was of Michael's on Pamela Anderson's body. & another was a picture of a woman sitting, with Michael's face on it with no nose.
do you see how degrading all of that is? do you all see how disgusting that is? it is ignorance, it is so hurtful. why would he undergo a sex change to forever be out of the spotlight? it is like him, satisfying those disgusting theories of him wanting to become a female. i think i might want to tear up after typing this, because although i am not Michael, my heart is very disappointed at this "theory." please, do not call me close-minded for my belief. you all are free to have your own ideas, but this...i just do not believe it is appropriate for Michael's being. him changing into a woman, not only satisfies the stupid tabloid's graphics, but could severely affect his children & his family psychologically.
I agree. Which is why I was trying to turn the topic into Michael's ..uh...pole. I think he'd rather read about that than the original topic. ;)
i agree...i think that'll give me some good dreams tonight ;)
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OK, I think this is enough for the transgender topic, people get upset and my sides hurt now from laughing. I'll just lock this now.
What I think? I think he has the biggest nuts on earth to pull off something like this and I do not think he had those chopped off, just my 2 cents.