Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The O2 Press Conference => Topic started by: Stipe on May 02, 2012, 07:07:31 AM
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Hi guys and gals,
I couldn't find the link to this subject today but I know there is one so forgive me for writing it here:
We all know Michael was so very thin in TII, too thin. When he appeared on stage the guy whom Michael hugged said "He was ripped- huge back muscles like a Premiership footballer"
The Michael we see on TII certainly was not ripped(like a body builder full of muscle), quite the opposite!
Here's the interview if you didn't see it, this is Dermot talking about introducing Michael onto stage that day, it was pre-June 09 so I'm sure the mood would have been more somber if it were after. Oh he calls Michael Jakko but Dermot is a lovely guy, I'm sure he didn't know it would have offended Michael to say that word I'm
Certain:
Dermot O'leary talks about Michael Jackson
Dermot O'Leary talks about Michael Jackson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uA7ZEYp8tk&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Sent from my iPhone
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I can't watch the video right now because I'm at work - will watch later.
About Michael's thinness in TII/O2. My own little theory on that is MJ lost the weight for his 'role', for his art, much like how actors will lose weight for a movie role. I do believe a huge aspect of this hoax is a movie and Michael wanted to appear sickly or too thin or whatever so that when he 'died' people would say "well look at how thin he was - he couldn't have been healthy". I honestly don't think it would take much for him to lose the weight, do the O2 appearance, film the scenes for TII, then gain back what he lost. Just a theory I've had for a while.
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Hi Andrea,
That's certainly a good point, he would want to look ill if he was planning a sudden death hoax, but my point is- the O2 guy was NOT skinny he was really big shoulders and muscly. I was doubtful it was Michael and I know a lot of fans can't agree- he just didn't act like the Michael we know and love!
The truth will prevail :)
xx
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Ya I see what you're saying Stipe. I think the jacket he was wearing contributed to the big-shoulder look but I thought he looked quite thin there. I personally think O2 Michael is real Michael acting like a fake Michael (I and others have this before) but who knows really. I believe he was creating his own illusion as he always has done and is still doing.
And agreed, the truth will prevail. ;-)
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Hi Hun
Dermot says when Michael hugged him he 'had huge back muscles, was ripped and not what he expected at all' which kind of added to my belief with Michael being so frail looking around that time.
Heard that Michael was gonna do the O2 but he slipped getting off the bus so they had to rush an impersonator in??!! The arrogant kind of nod towards the crowd- Michael was always the opposite of arrogant so again it added to my belief. All I can say is, if it was our Michael......he sure was acting different!
L.O.V.E. xx
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@Stipe..... concerning O2 speech, we all came to the conclusion that was Michael on stage but pretending not to be himself but an impersonator, I think he did that in the whole hoax, TII, etc... Although Michael is very thin he has a wide shoulders and fibrous muscles as the most of African-American men does. Concerning his skinny condition, we all heard Lou Ferrigno saying in his interview that Michael ate few, besides he fasted once a week, and everybody knows MJ likes to be very thin as he said he tried not to eat much sweets or dairy in order not to look round. :moonwalk_:
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Hiya
Also Michael asked if the telepromter was on, I've seen Michael do long speeches needing no TelePrompTer or notes......why would he ask for that when he said such few words? I'm
NOT disagreeing with you I'm just saying my thoughts out loud :)
I respect any beLIEvers point of few-after all we're a family x
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@Stipe.....that's why Michael was pretending to be an impersonator, you have said it and almost agreeing wit me because Michael asked about the teleprompter when Michael never uses it before. :moonwalk_:
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I think Michael wanted everything about the O2 announcement to be 'bizarre'.
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And before he gave that salute he looked squarely to his right at someone with a stern appearance on his face. I only wish I knew who it was. Like he was throwing dem bows and specifically sending that person a message, lol.
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Maybe-I'm totally open to this subject-on the fence about it but yeah, ere were some folk Michael clearly disliked-maybe it was them!
So most friends here do think it was our Michael?!
What do you think of Pearl Jnr? Did you get her DVD?
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i agree with andrea on this subject, as always.
i have no idea how to take pearl jr. she may be playing a designated role, similar to karen faye, or she may be a clueless independent. either way, her info is not accurate nor reliable, so much so i cannot disregard the possibility that it may be strategic.
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Pearl Jr. is full of herself. Notice how she makes the viewers believe that Michael is giving all these clues to HER personally. I think not.
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Pearl Jr. is full of herself. Notice how she makes the viewers believe that Michael is giving all these clues to HER personally. I think not.
That, I agree with.
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I started off having total respect for Pearl Jnr, but as time went on I did notice although she gave credit to the beLIEvers yes she makes out there are hidden clues/messages specially for her.
Totally agree with you!
I do like the fact that she's not sucking up to the Jacksons though and is prepared to
ask them straight out questions.
I found Pseudocide very interesting, the bit about Jason Malachi.
Haven't read it all yet though
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How exactly does PearlJr fit in with the Jacksons? :icon_eek: Is she a friend of the family or what exactly is her association with them? Initially I thought I read that she was a “friend” of the family but I cannot recall exactly.
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Pearl Jr. is full of herself. Notice how she makes the viewers believe that Michael is giving all these clues to HER personally. I think not.
That, I agree with.
Exactly the wink wink pyt nod nod just for her. well we, we have wink front , nod TS . it's better than the pyt
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I always thought that the person at the 02 was not Michael :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red.....the movie begins playing here.. :ghsdf: and he was already behind the camera .. :icon_cool: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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- I think it was Michael at the O2 Announcement, acting as weird as he could with hoaxy purpose :icon_e_wink:
- I think Pearl Jr. is definitely a controversial and mysterious character in this hoax. I wouldn't trust her 100%, but on the other hand I wouldn't bash her either! Indeed, she seems a bit full of herself, but maybe she does get direct clues from MJ or the family. And also she has my respect because she was among the very RARE people that stood out for Michael during the 2005 Trial, presenting the news objectively!! and distancing herself from the idiot "journalists" that were all so happy to crucify Michael! Pearl Jr. knows how to speak publicly, she's clever , enthusiastic, she loves Michael. If this is her job and earns money from making documentaries, so what?? Aren't all the media doing the same thing? with the BIG important difference that they TRASH Michael while Pearl Jr. shows nothing but respect & LOVE to him!?
I don't want to talk in her defense. This is just my opinion, based on what I could grasp about her so far!
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It could have been a double at the 02 or Michael acting strange on purpose ??? For a while I thought it was Jim Carey but Jim isn't that thin ? I don't know.
Let's support Pearl Jr. since she is a fellow believer and she does contribute a lot. She is also respectful and is a fan of Michael. That doesn't mean you always have to agree with everything she does or says. But where is the LOVE ?
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@Dontwalkaway: exactly! if we beLIEvers don't support each-other, who will?? I think we get enough attacks and hate from the non-believers!! (btw I just had the "pleasure" today on FB, again! :icon_rolleyes: )
Love you sis'! :bearhug:
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I do believe Pearl Jr. knows more than tells, I have been in direct touch with her from long time ago and she has been very humble with me answering me any doubt I have had and a good fellow believer besides as SimPattyK says she stood up for Michael when he was crucified by everyone on 2005. I do like her :) :)
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I don't think we should bash Pearl or anyone else, for if this hoax has taught us anything it ought to be that things are not always as they seem.
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I agree we should never bash anyone other than tabloid associates. But Pearl is coming CLOSE. I don't think she is part of the hoax team at all, I think she is a fan with an attitude and a lack of attention in real life. I'm not bashing her, I'm just giving my opinion on the matter.
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It could have been a double at the 02 or Michael acting strange on purpose ??? For a while I thought it was Jim Carey but Jim isn't that thin ? I don't know.
Let's support Pearl Jr. since she is a fellow believer and she does contribute a lot. She is also respectful and is a fan of Michael. That doesn't mean you always have to agree with everything she does or says. But where is the LOVE ?
Jim Carrey? For real? :icon_lol:
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I have swapped messages with Pearl on FB and her love and dedication for Michael is real ,and yes, she stood up for him when turn world seemed to
be against him. For those of you who haven't read Pseudocide, she tells about in the weeks leading up to rehearsals she'd see Michael looking .....well just not smart, like his clothes were wrinkled and his tops had stains on, she went out and bought him some tshirts because she realized he wasn't being looked after or he was neglecting himself.....I thought that was such a lovely gesture!
I support Pearl as in buying her books and DVD because she is investigating this hoax now not as a hobby but full time job - some have slated her for charging when other hoax investigators are doing it for free, but I'd say they prob aren't doing it instead of their day job whereas Pearl is, so I've no objection shelling out money for her ideas and facts.......I'd never have known about the ambulance for one example- on all the hoax sites I saw I never once learned that the ambulance that arrived at Michael's rented home was different to the one that arrived at UCLA, and that it should take 4 mins approx to get to the hospital, that day in June it took close to 7 minutes.....Pearl suggested the ambulances were switched hence the time delay plus it was a completely diff ambulace! So she is really doing her homework too.
I like her suggestions and they do give you food for thought.
Also the house opposite Michael's at Carolwood once belonged to Elvis-coincidence?
As for whether she's a Jackson family friend I don't know- in our chats she did mention having contacts but never said who.
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I forgot to add that it was Pearl who found out that Christmas 09
the children, Prince, Paris and cute little Blanket were at the Cascios house.Nanny Grace took them there.
Now I'd have thought it normal for the 1st Christmas without their Dad they'd want to be surrounded by loved ones, family! I know some of them
are Jehovas witnesses but not all....,.I just found that interesting :icon_e_wink:
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Stipe, Pearl is charging for information that she did not investigated herself. She is using information and investigations of people who are doing it for free, because they care. They don't WANT to make money with it, and they don't want someone else to make money with it.
Now that it's quiet, and there is no new information on the forums, she doesn't have anything, so she continues digging into his private life. Things that are none of her business and are starting to look like tabloid crap.
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I understand what you're saying but Pearl
does give credit to the other investigators, she doesn't make it sound like she does all the work
herself, she says how hard the others work too, but it is her job as a journalist and she needs to make a living.
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And she always says that MJ's fans are the best and cleverer fans all over the world, from who she picks up hints and clues and she starts connecting dots. :animal0017:
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I understand what you're saying but Pearl
does give credit to the other investigators, she doesn't make it sound like she does all the work
herself, she says how hard the others work too, but it is her job as a journalist and she needs to make a living.
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She SELLS that information. THAT is the problem. All hoaxers use each other's info to make new theories, that's not the issue. The issue is that she grabs it, runs with it and SELLS it. It's her job?? If she's such a good journalist, she can do other things or actually come up with her OWN investigation. I need to make a living too, you know? I spend hours a day here, answering mail, pm's and working on the forum. I'm without a job. I could REALLY use the money I could make from this site, BUT I WON'T DO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST MY INVESTIGATION. And not just that, it would be WRONG. Pearl is a desperate fan, who does this for selfish reasons and I find it disgusting.
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Well please know that all your hard work and dedication is very much appreciated.......I'm new here and don't wish to offend anyone.
Some people like Pearl,,some don't.....I'm on the fence.
I believe she has taken other peoples' findings but I also believe she's found out her own stuff too.
She does love Michael though, is dedicated and as has been said she stood for Michael during his trial.
I guess people like her or dislike her, like Vegemite :)
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If she steals from me - I'm a professional writer, and I WILL SUE HER for THEFT!! And that's the way the 8 ball reads.
BTW - WHO can confirm she bought the t-shirts? He had live-in maids and such, who DID HIS LAUNDRY! I would like proof of what she did/didn't do, for once.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGx1UfjaM_U[/youtube]
The best demonstration ever, i think ; )
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I think at the O2 was only an impersonator , the hoax was already in the air :ghsdf:
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Hi Tink
I couldn't watch the link you sent, my iPhone wouldnt play it but I get my new laptop this week :icon_e_biggrin:
I don't blame you one bit for taking action if Pearl stole something you originally put out there-copyright and morally it's wrong too!
Now as much as I'm on the fence about Pearl I want her to go out, find her own stuff and share it-for free. She shouldnt charge for every bit of info.
About the tshirts well I do believe she sent them, just got a feeling she was being truthful over that.
As I stated already Pearl has brought a good few things to my attention that I hadn't seen on any hoax videos.
What do you think of the INSIDER episodes? Hoax or really inside info?
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@Pikachu... I can't see your video honey.
@Stipe... I can't catch what you are talking about Pearl Jr and the Tshirts, please could you explain darling! :icon_rolleyes:
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Hi Hun
When I was reading Pseudocide (Pearl's ebook) that towards the time of June 09 she noticed Michael wasn't his usual smart self that he was disheveled- wrinkled clothes,,stained, she felt so sorry for him that she went out and bought him some tshirts. Purely out of love but also concern I think. I know MJ had maids etc and I haven't a clue why he'd be wearing tatty dirty clothing but I do believe Pearl she doesn't strike me as a liar- that showed me how much she really did care for Michael x
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Oh.. I see, thanks for sharing @Stipe
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Everything you put out there online is free for use for all who read it. I forget the legal term but copyright laws do not apply to online material shared on forums, blogs, etc.
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Everything you put out there online is free for use for all who read it. I forget the legal term but copyright laws do not apply to online material shared on forums, blogs, etc.
That's not entirely true. Copyright law does apply on the net as well. You can use specific quotes if necessary, or the whole thing under the 'fair use policy'. But Pearl didn't directly quote, so in this case there is no copyright infringment, it's a matter of principle. It's just plain wrong.
Plus she used the url of this website as a source on her DVD without asking me if I was okay with that. I am not, because I don't want to be associated with her website. I get mails from people that start with 'Dear Pearl'. If she would have sticked to the hoax investigation it wouldn't have been such a problem, but she is now digging into stuff that is none of her business. Pearl needs to think before she acts.
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@Stipe, When Pearl "revealed" stuff in her e-book, many hoaxers already knew it since her source of info are forums, chats, blogs and a long etc.
She took research from people who expended hours and hours connecting possible dots and she has been smart enough to sell the info and make some profit. So, yes. I guess that she is smarter than many of us. What for us became some kind of hobby searching for the truth, became for her a way to pay bills.
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Hi Stipe, and welcome.
Firstly, Pearl has been working closely with Twiggy from MJHoax Live. She has her own blog, and has collected alot of her own evidence, even appearing at the courthouses, reporting LIVE from there.
I will only say this once, as it has not been proven either way, but I've read the Michael was really nervous about the 02 announcement, so drank quite alot of alcohol, and was totally out of it, and had to be
woken up....that's supposed to be the reason for his lateness and weird behaviour...and that's when he fell over...You can see the black marks on his hands from falling over...and the bruises...
Look up
Twiggy from MJHoax Live and see all the amazing stuff she has discovered..God bless.
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what makes me wonder about 02 and tii also is how small the michaels looked in the hip and thigh area from what he looked like say aroung the 30th anniversary and the 45th birthday. he had gain quite a lot .perhaps it is different for a guy but that is usually a hard area to lose once you gain isn't it? unless by illness i can't see that goin away that easily. jmo
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What I want to know for 100% sure is whether Michael was as destitute and living below his means as has been stated in the article entitled "an undervalued asset" that was on the net a few years ago. For some reaon, I just don't believe that he was as reclused and cash broke as it was made to appear. I've heard another synopsis of how he came to live at Carolwood Drive and I just would like to finally know what the truth is.
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Do you really believe Michael was drank during his O2 announcement? I think he just was acting weird to give more intrigue to what was to come with his death hoax! :icon_mad:
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Do you really believe Michael was drank during his O2 announcement? I think he just was acting weird to give more intrigue to what was to come with his death hoax! :icon_mad:
drank? oh,noo! i think mikael would never attend a public apparition in such a condition! i'm (still) not able 2 understand whether the o2 guy is mikael or a double,but,if he was really him,i think he was playing/acting a part (of?). however,even if he was "playing" a part and was trying 2 make us understand that something was going 2 happen,i wonder:what (if a "what" really exists) could we understand from that weird behaviour? r there any hidden clues/messages/keys we can understand "reading" through the lines of mj's words? i mean:has mj's speech anything 2 do with the hoax it was going 2 happen? i've always thought that name "this is it" could be the key (or,at least,1 of the keys) 2 understand something important that is still escaping us...
*LUNA*