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hummm... That's another very controversial subject that is being discussed everywhere , especially lately!
I don't know if anyone opened another similar thread or not. If so, pls mods unite the threads.
I've been thinking about discussing this subject with you hoax-family, but I never found a way to make this relate in some way to Michael.
I still don't know in what way this relates to either Michael or Elvis, but they SURE made sure to draw our attention towards the MOON !!! Elvis has about 7 songs containing the word MOON in their title, and Michael, well you know about his special relationship with the MOON!!
Today I decided to open this thread especially after I saw the most recent video by MsFlyingFairy where she talks about the FAKE Moon landing and how this event is closely connected to the MASONRY !!
Pls feel free to add in this thread whatever you think it's relevant: photos, videos, links, articles, etc...everything!!
In time, I'll do my best to "fuel" this thread with what I have found too!
For now I'll just post this video Uploaded by MsFlyingFairy on Mar 9, 2012
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdGXbH0DXE[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJNhXCezSfs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE[/youtube]
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Mythbusters use science to prove or debunk everything. They PROVED IT, beyond the shadow of a doubt!:
Part1:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefEKqzq8cg&feature=related[/youtube]
Part2:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfKItI-cHPM&feature=related[/youtube]
Part3:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOv_zvM-oJQ&feature=related[/youtube]
Part4:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCNV1hiKpLI&feature=related[/youtube]
Part5:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dTATMEJSuQ&feature=related[/youtube]
I've also met many of the old Engineers from Rockwell, who actually built the Command Modules and the LEM. There's no way in HELL we'd build those, and not send them to the moon! We had to beat the Russians, it was another time, another place. There's still a laser relay left, that you can bounce a signal to, and get one back - FROM THE MOON, where the astronauts left it.
I've also seen the certificates with President Nixon's signature, thanking the Engineers for placing the First Man on the Moon.
Anyone who doesn't believe this, well what can I say.
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(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2831/moon20stuff001.jpg)
(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9307/moon20stuff003.jpg)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8034/moon20stuff006.jpg)
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1105/moon20stuff007.jpg)
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1999/moon20stuff008.jpg)
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/346/moon20stuff009.jpg)
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(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9895/moonmovie.jpg)(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2530/11flymetothemoon.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2365/picture31pq.jpg)
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5461/redreflection.jpg)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2562/11lightingproblems.jpg)
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2317/12lensflaresstudy.jpg)
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7877/12dinespotlight.jpg)
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4254/montaj01.jpg)
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Interesting....
In This Is It the first scene of the intro video "Glimpses and flashes" is the moonlanding (0:04)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GooyC24NOdY[/youtube]
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Thanks for that detail & video @jam4truth !! ;)
Here's a VERY interesting article & photos !! posted on June 23rd, 2009 !! afraid/ hummmm
Michael Jackson, The Rainbow Bridge and The Moon
READ the rest of the article on this link:
http://liveinchapelperilous.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-crosses-rainbow-bridge.html
Sirius Dogs and a Crab or Lobster set in Water together in the Trump Tarot Card The Moon.
We are in the Sign of the Crab Cancer, on the 4th of July Sirius came into Alignment with the Sun and we are approaching a Lunar Prenumbrial Eclipse in the sign of Capricorn on Tuesday 7/709, which is also the date of the Offical MEM (hebrew for water) ORIAL for Michael Jackson the Moonwalker.
The Moonwalker is going to be on Tuesaday 7/7/09 in L.A., it also happens to be a Full Moon in Capricorn and a Lunar Eclipse for the West Coast Read below for Michael Jackson and the Rainbow Bridge as well as the more recent Moon stuff.
[....]
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Wow Sim,
It doesn't surprise me that the whole moon landing was a hoax. We have been deceived and lied to for so long.
That article and link you posted is great. Things are coming together and making sense.
They talked about the rainbow and the frequencies of light that are also used by our chakras or light bodies. We're all connected to the light like a bridge. It's also influenced by the stars like Sirius and the center of the galaxy.
Things happen according to the moon's cycles such as new moon, eclipse and so on. Also, the moon is associated with the underworld. Diana was a godess of the moon and also used in illuminati symbolism. (Dirty Diana) There was also a watery underworld.
Also, they talked about the numerology of 42. I know that 42 degrees is the angle you need to form a rainbow when light is reflected through a prism like a crystal.
There was also a crystal with the ark of the covenant that was found.
So, I'm thinking that when the ark/truth/god is found then we will have the rainbow formed which will unite and connect us like a bridge. The rainbow is all the frequencies of light and sound which are the pattern to everything. This is the pattern of the tree of life.
This is like the video "Can You Feel It" when Michael lifts the rainbow up like a bridge. This is like bringing truth and light back. I think it may happen on a feast day such as Yom Kippur ? And maybe during a partial solar eclipse, following a lunar blood eclipse and a solar eclipse ??????
What do you think Sim ?
Love
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One of my son's professors was an astronaut and he asked him if we definitely landed on the moon and he said YES...and he knows of the controversy and is a super cool prof.... So, there's one vote for YES we did land on the moon!
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We land bt not in 69 that time was later.
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I studied the Apollo missions as a child, I've always loved everything to do with space - the Moon, planets, the Sun, the stars, constellations, black holes, nebulae, other galaxies, you name it. I always sort of scoffed at talk of the moon landing being a hoax but in recent years I'm not so sure about that. I do think it's entirely possible that the moon landing was faked based on a lot of evidence that support a huge conspiracy. Honestly, the only way I could be convinced otherwise would be to look through a super powerful telescope and see for myself the landing gear that was left on the moon. And I'm not talking about NASA images because those can easily be forged. For right now I'm not sure but I have an open mind either way.
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I studied the Apollo missions as a child, I've always loved everything to do with space - the Moon, planets, the Sun, the stars, constellations, black holes, nebulae, other galaxies, you name it. I always sort of scoffed at talk of the moon landing being a hoax but in recent years I'm not so sure about that. I do think it's entirely possible that the moon landing was faked based on a lot of evidence that support a huge conspiracy. Honestly, the only way I could be convinced otherwise would be to look through a super powerful telescope and see for myself the landing gear that was left on the moon. And I'm not talking about NASA images because those can easily be forged. For right now I'm not sure but I have an open mind either way.
http://stupendous.rit.edu/richmond/answers/lunar_lander.html (http://stupendous.rit.edu/richmond/answers/lunar_lander.html)
Then, rediscovery in 2010 by Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter -
Apollo 11:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/369234main_lroc_apollo11labeled_256x256.jpg)
Apollo 12:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Apollo_12_LRO.jpg)
Apollo 14:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/LRO_Apollo14.jpg)
Apollo 15:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/LRO_Apollo15.jpg)
Apollo 16:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/LRO_Apollo16.jpg)
Apollo 17:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/LRO_Apollo17.jpg)
Apollo 17 LM Challenger Descent Stage:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/LRO_Apollo17.jpg)
And the Surveyer 1 Landing site:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/390497main_surveyor1_enlarged.jpg)
THIS is something we've left on the moon, called the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_11_Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment.jpg)
"The detection on Earth of reflections from laser ranging retro-reflectors (LRRRs, or mirrors used as targets for Earth-based tracking lasers) on lunar laser ranging experiments left on the Moon is evidence of landings.[5][6][7][8]
Quoting from James Hansen's biography of Neil Armstrong (First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong):
"For those few misguided souls who still cling to the belief that the Moon landings never happened, examination of the results of five decades of LRRR experiments should evidence how delusional their rejection of the Moon landing really is."[9]
The NASA-independent Observatoire de la Côte D’Azur, McDonald, Apache Point, and Haleakala observatories regularly use the Apollo LRRR.[10] The image on the left shows what is considered some of the most unambiguous evidence. This experiment repeatedly fires a laser at the Moon, at the spots where the Apollo landings were reported. The dots show when photons are received from the Moon. The dark line shows that a large number come back at a specific time, and hence were reflected by something quite small (well under a metre in size). Photons reflected from the surface come back over a much broader range of times (the whole vertical range of the plot corresponds to only 30 meters or so in range). The concentration of photons at a specific time appears when the laser is aimed at the Apollo 11, 14 or 15 landing sites; otherwise the expected featureless distribution is observed.[11] The Apollo reflectors are still in use.[12]
Strictly speaking, although the reflectors are strong evidence that human-manufactured artifacts currently exist on the Moon, and their locations are consistent with NASA's claims, they do not prove humans have visited the Moon. Smaller retroreflectors were carried by the unmanned landers Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2. The Lunokhod 2 reflector has been in use since 1973.[12] The location of Lunokhod 1 was unknown for nearly 40 years but it was rediscovered in 2010 in photographs by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and its retroreflector is now in use."
BTW - Bill Dines performed a HUGE Hoax on everyone, and profited from it! He manipulated PHOTOSHOP for the almighty dollar! He isn't worth the any computer time, because I just categorically disproved him not only through Mythbusters - but also through the photos above.
Someone in my family worked on all the Apollo's CMs, and a few of the LEMs. This person was pivotal in saving the Apollo 13 Odyssey's crew's life directly with a WHITE SOCK. They many never have gotten to walk on the moon together - but perhaps this inspired Michael to Moonwalk with White Socks. ;D
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Interesting, thanks for the pics Tink. I had seen a couple of them before but not all of them. It's very hard to tell what they really show and if they're legit.
And I do remember the white sock part from the movie Apollo 13, it was part of the process to fit a square peg into a round hole to lower the C02 levels, if I remember correctly.
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Here's 2 places we also discussed the moon landing being a hoax or not a while back. ;)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1069.msg14914#msg14914 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1069.msg14914#msg14914)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=14462.msg245693#msg245693 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=14462.msg245693#msg245693)
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I think the 69 landing was a hoax. They just wanted to outdo Russia. Of course eventually they did go and land on the moon. But they wanted to be first and hence the hoax.
And anyone can send anything to the moon to leave it there, it does not mean that astronauts took it there.
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But footprints and moonbuggies don't lie! /toldya/
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Here's 2 places we also discussed the moon landing being a hoax or not a while back. ;)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1069.msg14914#msg14914 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1069.msg14914#msg14914)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=14462.msg245693#msg245693 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=14462.msg245693#msg245693)
THANK you @MjonMind for posting these links....
It's up to the mods/admins whether they want to unite them all in just one thread or leave them like that.
I think it's better to unite them in the first one opened by MO on December 08, 2009. This way we keep all the info together! ;)
Here are some other pics that sustain the HOAX-theory
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6729/roverstowchap1.jpg)
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6425/hatchanomalies1.jpg)
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2079/14lightsource.jpg)
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6427/12lightdirsurveyor.jpg)
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(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8900/michaeljacksonscaredoft.jpg)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdts0VKPTZs[/youtube]
(http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/8803/neverlandseal.jpg)
Wow Sim,
It doesn't surprise me that the whole moon landing was a hoax. We have been deceived and lied to for so long.
That article and link you posted is great. Things are coming together and making sense.
They talked about the rainbow and the frequencies of light that are also used by our chakras or light bodies.
We're all connected to the light like a bridge . It's also influenced by the stars like Sirius and the center of the galaxy.
Things happen according to the moon's cycles such as new moon, eclipse and so on. Also, the moon is associated with the underworld.
Diana was a goddess of the moon and also used in illuminati symbolism. (Dirty Diana) There was also a WATERy underworld.
Also, they talked about the numerology of 42 .
I know that 42 degrees is the angle you need to form a rainbow when light is reflected through a prism like a crystal.
There was also a crystal with the ark of covenant that was found.
So, I'm thinking that when the ark/truth/god is found then we will have the rainbow formed which will unite and connect us like a bridge.
The rainbow is all the frequencies of light and sound which are the pattern to everything. This is the pattern of the tree of life
This is like the video "Can You Feel It" when Michael lifts the rainbow up like a bridge. This is like bringing truth and light back.
I think it may happen on a feast day such as Yom Kippur ? And maybe during a partial solar eclipse, following a lunar blood eclipse and a solar eclipse ??????
What do you think Sim ?
Love
I think you're AMAZING!! /bravo/
I think exactly the same things as you! I think you READ my MIND!
This is the precise purpose for which I opened this thread: for us to somehow make sense of all these connections!
Not necessarily to prove or disprove the moon-landing, but especially for us to try and figure out what messages did ELVIS & Michael want
to transmit to us through all these MOON, rainbow and WATER references that we saw in their music, lyrics, stage-outfits, etc.... !!
Elvis & Michael are God sent messengers, IMO, and they definitely TRIED HARD to tell us something about the MOON too, among many other messages !!
@Don'tWalkAway : you summarized perfectly all the clues that we've been given so far!!
I am still not sure what to make of them all, but I am sure wee need to dig more, especially into things related to all those KEY-WORDS that I marked in blue in your message!
LOVE you !!
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1231/2004793729149x14900book.jpg)(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3692/image1dmo.jpg)
Here's one of the many ELVIS songs related to the BLUE MOON !!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7a9ZH1Z0M[/youtube]
Speaking about BRIDGE and WATER connections!
I think ELVIS purposely chose to do his own version of the song
BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQtDryYCc0&feature=related[/youtube]
Whitney Houston also sang it...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MyU6iKUfaE[/youtube]
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tks to chappie for these links ;)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZCcpuk3EY&list=FLkC6Y4ea25ltNSLkO1ZDE-Q&index=7&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqfH7iK51HQ&list=FLkC6Y4ea25ltNSLkO1ZDE-Q&index=6&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]
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I want to ask a question:
Was anyone old enough, alive, when Apollo 11 went to the Moon, and first set foot? Do you remember how it was broadcast each and every day? Watching the LEM come down, and land? All of it broadcast DAILY, on NETWORK TV.
There was nothing to hide, nothing to setup, for it wasn't staged. Only stages were the rockets, such as the Saturn V.
"Armstrong said we weren't alone on the moon." And he doesn't want to open up things to even a half lie. UFOs with oscillating colored electromagnetic force fields have allegedly been seen since the '60s.
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Tink,
I was alive in 1969 but I was only about 4 years old so I don't remember.
Sim,
I'm thinking that the phases of the moon are important because they are connected to when the feasts are celebrated. The feasts are celebrated during a full moon while the trumpet is sounded during a new moon to signify a new month. The most important feast is Yom Kippur which is considered the holiest. It is on 9/26/12 this year.
I put more information on the sister website, Michael's Army of Love because it is religious but it has to do with sign 2. What about a blue moon falling during Yom Kippur ?????? Maybe we should check it out ???
I found a website that gave a definition of a blue moon. It is when there are two full moons in one month which is rare. It can also be the third full moon in a season.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bluemoon1.html
Love You
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Tink,
I was alive in 1969 but I was only about 4 years old so I don't remember.
Sim,
I'm thinking that the phases of the moon are important because they are connected to when the feasts are celebrated. The feasts are celebrated during a full moon while the trumpet is sounded during a new moon to signify a new month. The most important feast is Yom Kippur which is considered the holiest. It is on 9/26/12 this year.
I put more information on the sister website, Michael's Army of Love because it is religious but it has to do with sign 2. What about a blue moon falling during Yom Kippur ?????? Maybe we should check it out ???
I found a website that gave a definition of a blue moon. It is when there are two full moons in one month which is rare. It can also be the third full moon in a season.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bluemoon1.html
Love You
This year, we have a Blue Moon during the Month of Fire & Water: August! It lands on 08/31/2012. My blue moon.
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Wait a minute SIM, the moon landing was true here is the proof I can't be wrong!!! :lol: :lol:
http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/moonwalking-midstory2.jpg
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Wait a minute SIM, the moon landing was true here is the proof I can't be wrong!!! :lol: :lol:
http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/moonwalking-midstory2.jpg
LMAO! Right! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/c_laugh.gif)
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Good one Akhtoni!
I was about 14 in 1969, and remember it well—very exciting and we were glued to our black and white set. :shock:
Walter Kronkite was the main news anchor. They showed a LOT of simulated stuff while things were happening out of our sight. My Dad was convinced that it was impossible and this was somehow fake, but then he thought dinasaurs were a lie as well. crash/ :lol: Here’s a video of Walter C. and the broadcast, and the famous “one small step for mankind” at 9:40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7c-PbfnQuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7c-PbfnQuw)
I do wonder if there's some significance to the moon hoax in MTV flag being on the cover of 'Michael'.
MTV’s logo has also evolved over time, going from: “Music Television” to just “MTV” since it eventually aired more than just music videos. As an interesting fact, the original MTV man-on-the-moon image with the MTV logo pasted over the American flag was created with dual purpose: to state that the channel was universal, but to also use Creative Commons and Public Domain images so they didn’t have to spend money creating or buying images for a show that might not make money.
http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2011/08/11067-i-want-my-mtv-30-years-of-music-videos-and-more/ (http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2011/08/11067-i-want-my-mtv-30-years-of-music-videos-and-more/)
(http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/files/2011/08/MTV-man-on-moon-300x221.jpg)
(http://montreal.rockdetente.com/Pics/Isabelle_showbizz/Michael-Jackson-Michael-Album-Cover.jpg)
MJ owns land on the moon and has a crater named after him.
http://popintervention.hubpages.com/hub/Michael-Jackson-moon-property-crater (http://popintervention.hubpages.com/hub/Michael-Jackson-moon-property-crater)
(http://s2.hubimg.com/u/1378641_f520.jpg)
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Why would anyone call a dance move "moonwalk" that looks "as if" one steps forwards but is in fact moving backwards?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsM_rU_80g[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsM_rU_80g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsM_rU_80g)
All you need is here:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html)
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Why would anyone call a dance move "moonwalk" that looks "as if" one steps forwards but is in fact moving backwards?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsM_rU_80g[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsM_rU_80g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsM_rU_80g)
All you need is here:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html)
Love you, Grace. bearhug
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Check this video out on Youtube. I'll try to post the link. They are saying that the reason we haven't been back to the moon is because there are alien forces there. There are bridges and other large structures. They're "Scared of the Moon".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilW2cLOgM
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I was about 14 in 1969, and remember it well—very exciting and we were glued to our black and white set. :shock:
Walter Kronkite was the main news anchor. They showed a LOT of simulated stuff while things were happening out of our sight. My Dad was convinced that it was impossible and this was somehow fake, but then he thought dinasaurs were a lie as well. crash/ :lol: Here’s a video of Walter C. and the broadcast, and the famous “one small step for mankind” at 9:40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7c-PbfnQuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7c-PbfnQuw)
I do wonder if there's some significance to the moon hoax in MTV flag being on the cover of 'Michael'.
MTV’s logo has also evolved over time, going from: “Music Television” to just “MTV” since it eventually aired more than just music videos. As an interesting fact, the original MTV man-on-the-moon image with the MTV logo pasted over the American flag was created with dual purpose: to state that the channel was universal, but to also use Creative Commons and Public Domain images so they didn’t have to spend money creating or buying images for a show that might not make money.
http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2011/08/11067-i-want-my-mtv-30-years-of-music-videos-and-more/ (http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2011/08/11067-i-want-my-mtv-30-years-of-music-videos-and-more/)
(http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/files/2011/08/MTV-man-on-moon-300x221.jpg)
(http://montreal.rockdetente.com/Pics/Isabelle_showbizz/Michael-Jackson-Michael-Album-Cover.jpg)
MJ owns land on the moon and has a crater named after him.
http://popintervention.hubpages.com/hub/Michael-Jackson-moon-property-crater (http://popintervention.hubpages.com/hub/Michael-Jackson-moon-property-crater)
(http://s2.hubimg.com/u/1378641_f520.jpg)
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7070/2283q.jpg)(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/4140/20278246236231597215100.jpg)
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2232/image35a.jpg)
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7864/mjmoonart250w.jpg)
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5301/mjart4.jpg)
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2058/mjart5.jpg)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6324/mjart8.jpg)
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(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2797/montagecrater.jpg)(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8803/neverlandseal.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3176/image17qe.jpg)(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1009/fcpd1j.jpg)
(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/9002/image26r.jpg)(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1624/jacksonmj.jpg)
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/5828/lean000x0450x521.jpg)(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2595/17978265003676597215100.jpg)
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(http://i41.tinypic.com/i5ypfa.jpg)(http://i42.tinypic.com/b61xll.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2mrfd75.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/kcyq1c.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/kb1zbc.jpg)
My 2 videos about the moon . . .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxjuzA4sIcY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD0--cuWJAo[/youtube]
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/2u7yjwx.jpg)
Elvis songs about the MOON
1[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLfTjTLnVIo[/youtube]
2[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRdRw0eKPx0[/youtube]
3[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYsJHhRpxPk[/youtube]
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On 04/16/1972, Apollo 16 flew to the moon
from the space center in Florida. Elvis was in Jacksonville, FL
but has missed the launch
because he was "buried in a beaver"!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJo-yTLcmno[/youtube]
Rare Footage of Elvis Presley Talking About Being ‘Buried in a Beaver’ in 1972
http://www.brobible.com/bronews/story/rare-footage-elvis-presley-in-1972
Rare footage of Elvis Presley riding in the backseat of a limo in 1972 was just released on the Internet.
Normally this wouldn't be much interest to us, but as he is on his way to a concert (clad in a stereotypical "Elvis" jumpsuit), his friends ask him if he saw the recent NASA shuttle launch.
Presley doesn't reply that he missed it, but we're to believe that because he tells them at the time of the launch, "I was buried in beaver."
Of course he was, he was the f*cking King. I can't believe he wasn't being blown on the car ride over while this was being filmed.
Best part of the video is that Elvis didn't think the footage would have sound. I guess that was common in 1972?
Joining Presley in the car were his father Vernon, Joe Esposito, and Red West.
Besides funny, I thought that Elvis' attitude towards the Appollo 16 flight to the moon in on the date of April the 16th1972, very strange!!
1. First of all you noticed the number 16 again!!
2. At the time of this video, Elvis was already working with the DEA ans an undercover agent, he had already met with Nixon who gave him the Federal Agent badge , back on the on December 21st 1970
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzP3TZnmCbg&feature=related
3. Elvis must have surely known a LOT more about the moon landing hoax (?) than most of the common people!
4. Elvis is a patriot! He loved his country, he was concerned about it and wanted to offer his help, that's why he wanted to meet Nixon, that's why he asked to become a secret agent.
5. Taking all these into account ^^ wouldn't Elvis feel proud about the Americans succeeding to land on the moon?
Why is he that much indifferent, careless and even rude by using that dirty expression ("buried in the beaver") when asked about the shuttle launch?
Did Elvis know that "they" were in fact lying to the whole world? Was Elvis disdainful in this video especially to send an ironic, disrespectful message out there to those that made the moon landing hoax?
By saying "I was buried in the beaver", Elvis basically said to them: "Rather than watch your crap lies of moon landing and shuttle launch, I'd rather have "lunch" (oral sex!)"
- Notice the clever word game: lunch versus lAunch (space shuttle launch!)
6. I really doubt he didn't know that the camera had a sound! That was the set up, the pretext for this 'dirty" message to get out there to the world! This video was intentionally "leaked" ;)
7. Elvis KNEW way before it happened back in 1969, I have no doubt! He had high ranked connections. Elvis knew a lot of "classified stuff"!
Just like Michael knew about the 9/11 attacks years before it happened!! the cover of his 1997 "Blood on the dance Floor" album stand as solid proof!
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:lol: at that video!
I do think that Elvis and Michael knew/know a lot more of what goes on behind the scenes than the general public. They know many people, both influential and 'connected', who would bring them into the 'loop' for a number of different reasons. And there really does seem to be way too many 'coincidences'.
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Elvis and the Blue Moon Conspiracy
http://www.amazon.com/Elvis-Blue-Moon-Conspiracy-McGinty/dp/1592980309/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262974682&sr=8-1
Book Description
Publication Date: October 2003
The first and only novel that tells the TRUE story of the first moon landing, a world of historical distortions that cleverly merges the Apollo 11 mission with the death of Marilyn Monroe and the assassination of JFK, while explaining all those Elvis sightings.
Described by the Midwest Book Review as "a wonderful romp in never-land," "patently absurd" and "certainly original" this book will interest anyone intrigued by all those conspiracy theories that are constantly emblazoned on the pages of the supermarket tabloids. And more importantly, it's the perfect book for anyone looking to put a little humor into their life.
Not a book about Elvis Presley, Elvis and the Blue Moon Conspiracy tells the story of how our government, the press and our national icons interact with us through the power of television.
From the Back Cover
Months before man landed on the moon in 1969, NASA Administrator and former JFK adviser Jack Monroe thought the mission needed a slight touch-up. He turned to Peter Dixon, his second-in-command and an avid Elvis fanatic, and together this dynamic pair concocted a spectacle that would honor the pinnacle of human achievement: a lunar celebration to cap the space race with an outer space gala called Operation Blue Moon. To make it happen, they needed to hire the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley.
Dani Mitchell is a young, ambitious journalist from The Sensational Nation whose recent breakout interview with the Dalai Lama earned critical acclaim. Her next assignment is an exclusive one-on-one with Elvis - but the King is nowhere to be found.
With Monroe and Dixon standing in her way, Dani embarks on a mission to track down Elvis Presley. Was Neil Armstrong the first man to walk the moon? Or was it somebody else? In the final days before the first moon landing, Dani will find her way to the bottom of NASA's mysterious Operation Blue Moon and learn the true story of Apollo 11.
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Read an excerpt from Chapter Three
Posted on May 9, 2009 by mmcginty
http://markmcginty.wordpress.com/
The limousine parked outside the White House. Chief of Staff Bob Haldeman greeted Monroe and Dixon as they emerged from their limo, then led them through security and into the halls of the mansion. As they walked to the West Wing, Haldeman told the NASA men, “The President is looking forward to the meeting.” Then Haldeman spoke directly to Monroe. “We all know what a terrific job you did with JFK.”
Monroe cleared his throat and nervously straightened his tie. Few knew the full extent of Jack Monroe’s relationship with the former president, and it was those exact few that Monroe and Dixon were about to meet.
President Nixon came out of the Oval Office and met the two NASA officials in the secretary’s anteroom. “A pleasure to see you again, Dr. Monroe. We were just discussing the exceptional work you did with JFK.”
“Thank you, Mr. President.”
Then the President turned to Dixon. “And you must be Peter Dixon.”
“Yes, sir,” Dixon replied.
Jack said, “I recruited Peter in 1964 out of the DOD. He’s one of the best strategic thinkers you’ll ever meet.”
Nixon quietly sized up Dixon and then ushered everyone into the Oval Office. Dixon was surprised to see Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover sitting on two couches, awaiting their arrival. President Nixon introduced everyone and the six conspirators got down to business.
As Jack Monroe took his seat beside the Secretary of State, Hoover inspected him from the opposite couch. The FBI had a thirty-one page file on Dr. John P. Monroe. Eighteen pages were classified. Hoover knew the content of those classified pages and had nothing but the utmost respect for the doctor.
Now Nixon offered the floor to Peter Dixon who started to outline the details of Operation Blue Moon. He told them how NASA would sneak Elvis Presley onto the Saturn V rocket without word leaking to the public. How he would be trained in secrecy so that the public thought Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins constituted the entire Apollo 11 crew.
They’d keep Elvis silent and off camera throughout the duration of the trip. Hoover assured the two NASA men that the FBI could plug any leak in a matter of hours. Television broadcasts would run on a short delay and mission footage would be altered to suit the surprise concert before it was beamed to the masses via satellite.
“There is just one thing,” Kissinger mentioned as he fiddled with his tie. “How do you expect Elvis Presley to play guitar when he’s hunched inside that spacesuit?”
Dixon cursed himself. How did he forget about that?
Monroe covered wonderfully. He said, “Our engineers are highly competent. We’re adjusting for every contingency.” Nixon was close to believing that Operation Blue Moon would be possible. The President glanced at Kissinger who nodded his approval. J. Edgar also signaled okay. Nixon saw that Bob Haldeman had already decided, as the Chief of Staff was perched on the edge of the couch, awaiting the President’s decision.
“Elvis Presley,” Nixon pondered. “The Concert in the Sea of Tranquility, 1969. It could go down in history as one of the most spectacular moments of all time.”
Monroe nodded. “That was out assessment as well.”
The President was still undecided. Dixon knew this was their only chance to receive a “Go” for the great mission, and now Nixon was on the fence. Dixon decided it was time to play the ace in the hole. He said, “Perhaps we could capitalize on merchandising.” The others listened curiously as Dixon explained. “We can market T-shirts that say ‘Concert From the Sea of Tranquility.’ And we can sell Lunar Elvis action figures to kids.”
Monroe winked at Dixon, urging him to continue with this fresh, brilliant idea.
Dixon said, “We can market a ‘Greatest Moment of All Time’ coffee mug. And the world will definitely need a ‘Get Elvis to the Moon and Back’ board game. It could generate millions in political capital.”
The President’s men drooled at the thought.
It was no longer a tough decision for the President. “It’s a terrific idea,” he smiled. “Elvis Presley is the first man on the moon. Is there any better way to win the space race?”
Monroe and Dixon both said, “No, Mr. President.”
President Nixon smiled at Jack Monroe. “I shall be the one to reveal Elvis to the world. To be Master of Ceremonies, so to speak. I will place a phone call to the moon and greet Neil and Buzz. Then on worldwide television I will announce our very, very special guest star.”
Monroe sincerely appreciated the President’s gesture. “Yes, sir,” he said. “It would be our pleasure.”
“Then I wish you the best of luck. Operation Blue Moon is approved.”
The meeting was adjourned. Nixon shook hands with Monroe, then everyone shook hands with everyone else. The President walked Monroe and Dixon to the door. “I will give Mr. Presley a call tonight. I’ll remind him that he once served his country and that we’d be honored if he served it again.”
“Perfect, Mr. President,” Monroe agreed. “You soften him up so Peter and I can swoop in tomorrow with his paycheck and a contract.”
Dixon felt a new weight on his shoulders and that cramp in his stomach again. Nixon said, “Keep me posted on all developments.”
“Yes, sir,” they nodded.
Then the President leaned in close. “Gentlemen,” he whispered.
They waited to hear his words.
“Excellent work.”
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Wow, that video of Elvis talking about his 'lunch' is quite strange and funny!
I guess the book would be interesting and fun for Elvis fans!
Just wondering, did anyone happen to see the Transformers 3 movie, where they go to the moon in 1969, but encounter strange alien transformer 'life'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H8bnKdf654 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H8bnKdf654)
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We were also talking about the moon on the sister website, Michael's Army of Love. It is under the topic The Nephilim, who are thought to be a type of fallen angel/alien/hybrid giant with a human. It's in the bible.
I put links on there about the moon. They are with David Icke who talks about the moon not being real !!!!! If they faked the moon landing, then there has to be a reason why. There are also other interesting videos on the same youtube page. Youtube will connect you to more. The lady at the end of the first video talks about the moon, mars and orion. The same things that I have been thinking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDdPgGzlk0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7JjjaL23nGU&f
He also has a book, "Human Race, Get Off Your Knees, The Lion Sleeps No More"
It's about moon control. I want to get it. Does someone already have a copy ? What do you think about it ?
Does anyone else remember B.Howard from one of Pearl Jr.'s videos last year ? Well, she had an interview with him. She asked him what some of his goals were. He said he wanted "to do a concert on the moon". I remember that because it was a very odd thing to say. It's seems they are giving us so many clues about the moon. It must be for an important reason.
Love :-*
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I've also seen the certificates with President Nixon's signature, thanking the Engineers for placing the First Man on the Moon.
because presidents never lie right.....
sorry not meaning to be condesending... but you know.... it goes without saying...
thank you sim for posting. when i first joined forum and went to other hoax's board, i was shocked not to see this here.
to those who do believe man went thru the moon.... what can i say... open ur eyes... the evidence of fraud is overwhelming!!!
the radiation in the van allen belt alone would have killed them
after all the amount of radiation is thousands of times more powerful than that of the Nuclear meltdown of Chernobyl (and chernobyl was thousands of times more radiant than the bombs of Hiroshima) but yet workers are only allowed 1 hour of research in minimal areas, while some have died due to that minimal exposure ( and that is only in the Minimal radiation areas)
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so considering that chernobyl workers could only spend 40 seconds ( for safety of radiation poisoning) and alot have died working on chernobyl ( or have horrible cancers), we still have astronauts which went through a belt that is thousands of times more powerful than that of Chernobyl, and Chernobyl was a thousand times more powerful in radiation than Hiroshima which radiation has killed hundreds of thousands.
Astronauts had a lead and metallic alloy ship ( Chernobyl had to use Mega Tons of lead to disrupt the radiation dosage minimally) but still all that led and safety precautions only kept workers safe for 40 seconds at a time.. but astronauts passing through a much more powerful Radiation Belt twice ( from Solar and space radiation winds etc. as demonstrated above) for a total of 2 hours going straight through a nuclear blast and they still survived without a cancer / mental development problems / or skin diseases?
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If the astronauts landing on the moon was fake; we have to investigate WHY ? Why are they lying to us ? What are they hiding,planning or doing ?
Please watch these youtube videos with David Icke. There might be some truth to them. It's worth investigating because this effects the entire world !!!!!! He thinks that we are being controlled by a frequency sent from the moon. I can't explain it all, you have to watch the videos. If you get on, youtube will connect you. This makes sense because everything is really connected to vibration/sound/light. Love is a high frequency which is needed to change the world to a higher frequency.
I just listened to the song "Scared of the Moon". Look at some of the lyrics:
"The feeling of terror she felt as a youth
has turned from a fantasy into the truth
The moon is the enemy
twisting her soul and taking it's fearful toll
Scared of the Moon"
"And Now there are others
who sit in a room,
together they gather their lunacy shared,
Scared of the Moon
Somewhere in it there is "But Knowing Why They're Scared"
So, I think Michael is trying to tell us to research this. No one else write songs like this and wears a round blue moon on one eye and does the "moon walk" and has movies and books called "Moon Walker". And Remember the song "Dirty Diana". It has a double meaning. Diana is also the goddess of the moon !! The statue of liberty is a statue of Diana. The illuminati symbolism of Diana is everywhere. And the all seeing eye constantly looking at us and radiating those energy waves is THE MOON. In Thriller, the full moon causes Michael to change into a Werewolf !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDdPgGzlk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JjjaL23nGU&f
Red Ice Radio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uxb1blcAic&f
Love You. It's not scary because everything is still the same. We just didn't know about it.
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@ dont walk away. thanks for posting. :icon_e_wink:
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Your Welcome, @australianMJBeliever. There is also a lot more from David Icke. If you go on to those youtube pages than you will see more videos come up. Other people who have information out are Jesse Ventura,David Wilcock,Alex Jones. There's also some that are more religious such as 119Ministries and Chuck Missler. 119Ministries.com is interesting. There's also the history channel, and humanity healing. Then if you really want to go "out of the box", Go on The Galactic Federation of Light, and Alienleaks.com., Messages for Humanity from the Pleidians, Salusa, Archangel Michael. Go on youtube and type what you want in the "search".
Happy Reading
Love :bearhug:
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Your Welcome, @australianMJBeliever. There is also a lot more from David Icke. If you go on to those youtube pages than you will see more videos come up. Other people who have information out are Jesse Ventura,David Wilcock,Alex Jones. There's also some that are more religious such as 119Ministries and Chuck Missler. 119Ministries.com is interesting. There's also the history channel, and humanity healing. Then if you really want to go "out of the box", Go on The Galactic Federation of Light, and Alienleaks.com., Messages for Humanity from the Pleidians, Salusa, Archangel Michael. Go on youtube and type what you want in the "search".
Happy Reading
Love :bearhug:
@ dont walk away, oooooohhhhhh, i have spent many many hours researching this subject, for about 8 years now. I am very familiar with David Icke and all the others you mentioned, as well as many others. was more saying thank you for posting info to look at for the moon hoax, non believers...
there is so much overwhelming evidence out there, such as what is mentioned in the info you have posted by the above mentioned individuals, that i wouldnt know where to begin posting / explaining to non believers. (to me radiation levels are a good start - you wouldnt even make it to the moon, let alone all the fraudulent pics and dodgy editing - the trip alone would have killed them. so i start with that. LOL) ... and to tell you the truth, hoax proof for moon landing is so blatant, that you almost feel like ur wasting ur breath and cant be bothered explaining it to non believers, because its there, its obvious and if individuals continue to bury their heads in the sand on the subject, then in fact they are not ignorant out of lack of education, but ignorant by their own choice (i refer to my own family in this group of ppl, so not meaning to be offended) because it makes them feel better to be lied to..
so should one choose to be ignorant and choose to believe lies with such irrefutable and accessible eviudence of a moon landing hoax available, it makes me feel like ''meh.... cant really be bothered trying to convince you and show you all the reasons why you are being mislead...''
i am glad i know the truth... thats all that matters to me...
and dontwalkaway, you are 100% correct... its not a matter of what if..... it didnt happen. the important thing is why? what was to gain. your bang on there!
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Australian MJ believer
the radiation in the van allen belt alone would have killed them
Yes, I've read about that problem long ago too. Makes you wonder why Russia hasn't put a man on the moon since then, and why US hasn't had trips to the moon in many years. It should be routine by now. Here's a good article:
http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
There is considerable evidence that the Van Allen shields, which start at an altitude of between 250 miles to 750 miles, protect us from deadly solar and cosmic radiation. (Italics and bold in the below quotes are mine.)
Herbert Friedman, in his book Sun and Earth, describes Van Allen's global survey of cosmic-ray intensity: "The results from Explorer I, launched on January 31, 1958, were so puzzling that instrument malfunction was suspected. High levels of radiation intensity appeared interspersed with dead gaps ... Explorer III succeeded fully, and most important, it carried a tape recorder. Simulation tests with intense X rays in the laboratory showed that the dead gaps represented periods when the Geiger counter in space had been choked by radiation of intensities a thousand times greater than the instrument was designed to detect. As Van Allen's colleague Ernie Ray exclaimed in disbelief: 'All space must be radioactive!'." Herbert Friedman later explains that "Of all the energy brought to the magnetosphere by the solar wind, only about 0.1 percent manages to cross the magnetic barrier."
The April 28, 1997 HST Update: Recommisioning Status Report states that the Van Allen radiation belts, between 200 and 500 miles high, "act as a thin, protective skin for Earth, trapping charged particles before they bombard our planet and harm us."
The Space Physics Textbook by the Space Physics Group of Oulu lists what high energy particle radiation in the radiation belts does and is:
"-it degrades satellite components, particularly semiconductor and optical devices
-it induces background noise in detectors
-it induces errors in digital circuits
-it induces electrostatic charge-up in insulators
-it is also a threat to the astronauts".
If it is a threat then why were not animal experiments beyond the Van Allen belts done first?
From http://www.ofcm.gov/nswp-sp/text/c-sec1.htm
"Today, we have far more knowledge of the space environment: from the turbulent surface of the Sun, with its continuous solar wind and periodic spewing of clouds of energetic ionized particles, to the protective boundary of the Earth's magnetic field, which provides a partial shield against deadly solar corpuscular radiation. The Earth's magnetic field is highly reactive to the onslaught of energy and pressure originating from the solar particles and fields."
All kinds of animals have been sent in orbit only, and some have died. http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
For me, the only proof they may have gone to the moon is the reflector there on the moon, but I'm also thinking that they may have gone there with unmanned missions, and placed it there, much as on Mars they had a remote-controlled rover driving around taking analysis of rocks and atmosphere.
Why on earth :icon_lol:, haven't they put some cameras on the moon like we have live camera feeds here, taking pictures of earth coming up on the horizon or something like that, or powerful telescopes, etc. All kinds of possibilities, but no...nothing...by ANY country.
Mythbusters tried to prove false, the claims that the US flag shouldn't wave on the moon, the boot shouldn't make such an impression on the moon-dust, and the astronauts shouldn't bounce so much when walking in 1/6th of earth's gravity. I don't know who sponsors/pays for this show, but they could still make sure outcomes of testing are to certain specs, and be part of perpetuating the lie.
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considering that only 6 corporations control almost everything (except independent stuff) we read, watch and hear.... i'd say that the issue with what we are fed goes beyond who 'sponsors' mythbusters and more about what TBTB control what is aired...
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by the way for more info on the 6 media giants that control everythign you read hear and see, this is a great article
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/who-owns-the-media-the-6-monolithic-corporations-that-control-almost-everything-we-watch-hear-and-read
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@Dontwalkaway, Aussie & MjonMind: wow! thank you guys for adding up so much interesting info, links and your coms in this thread!!
As @Dontwalkaway very well said:
- What is important here is not only to realize the fact the the moon-landing was a complete HOAX, but mainly:
1. to understand WHY they lied to a whole world like that??
2. WHY was it so important for them to manipulate the globe with such a huge LIE???
3. WHY did artists like Elvis, Michael & others too have tried so HARD to WARN us about the MOON??
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We were also talking about the moon on the sister website, Michael's Army of Love. It is under the topic The Nephilim, who are thought to be a type of fallen angel/alien/hybrid giant with a human. It's in the bible.
I put links on there about the moon. They are with David Icke who talks about the moon not being real !!!!! If they faked the moon landing, then there has to be a reason why. There are also other interesting videos on the same youtube page. Youtube will connect you to more. The lady at the end of the first video talks about the moon, mars and orion. The same things that I have been thinking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDdPgGzlk0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7JjjaL23nGU&f
He also has a book, "Human Race, Get Off Your Knees, The Lion Sleeps No More"
It's about moon control. I want to get it. Does someone already have a copy ? What do you think about it ?
Does anyone else remember B.Howard from one of Pearl Jr.'s videos last year ? Well, she had an interview with him. She asked him what some of his goals were. He said he wanted "to do a concert on the moon". I remember that because it was a very odd thing to say. It's seems they are giving us so many clues about the moon. It must be for an important reason.
Love :-*
The Nefilim are Lilith's spawn; they are EVIL, and interfere with all that's good in the world. Read the Nag Hammadhi Library online; Elvis read it, and understood. Perhaps you all should, too. I read the first translations at the same time Elvis did. :D
The moon landings are ALL real. Like I posted earlier, there's independent photos of the LEMs being left. They passed through the Van Allen belt within half an hour, which = ONE XRAY. The Apollos were NOT thin, or the astronauts would've frozen to death! They were made of sandwiched composites, exterior had phenolic coating, etc. Here, read the compositions yourself, including the Service Module: http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/02144/moon/apollo.htm (http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/02144/moon/apollo.htm)
Obviously, the evil one is at play here, wants people to disbelieve this marvel. David Icke is a False Prophet - beware. For no good comes of following false prophets, who make profits off creating falsehoods.
1969 proved to the Universe that Earth can peacefully COEXIST, and our ANGELS have been spreading the word ever since, through actions, not lip service.
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Discovery Channel is corporate run. So even though Mythbusters said " busted" that WE DID PUT MEN ON THE MOON, I don't believe it. They've cut things out of of programs of the History Channel because "they we're too close to being accurate". Any show on TV that is controlled by globalist, CANNOT BE BELIEVED. Sure some parts maybe be true, but they're leaving out the important details. If anyone ever wants the truth on really what's happening in your country, you'd better be looking at alternative media. NEVER MAINSTREAM MEDIA. Journalists now days aren't there to give you their opinions, they are given scripts, just like the soap operas. This is "our version of the truth, & memorize it, because your hired to tell the dumbed down public of watching TV, that THIS is the truth"....
That's what we call journalism now days. Actors & actresses just reading a script. Sad!!
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David Icke CAN BE TRUSTED! Why is that every "conspiracy theorist" is demonized for speaking out about our most corrupt elite scum maggots we call "trusted officials". David Icke sells his books too. So what? So just because he sells books means he can't be trusted?
These people are putting their lives on the line to give US THE TRUTH.
Why is the truth soooo hard to swallow that we've been lied to for so long, that some people just can't wrap their head around that our government kills people everyday, in every disgusting manner, & people who are spoon feeding the lies, we just suck in like it's our last meal.
I know the truth is soooooo bizarre sometimes, that I really feel most people would rather just say it doesn't exist.
Just like Chinese has 1 child policy, they will hunt parent down, & if woman is pregnant, they poison the mother, mother goes into labor, & they pull baby out & just drop it in a bucket full of water for infant to drown.
Pepsi-co has been using aborted fetuses in their "taste recptors" trials to ses what taste receptors are triggered in US so we continue to enjoy the "taste" of the soda & we continue to drink Pepsi products. Sick. Look it up. Peipsi-co is in lawsuits with groups all the time about not using aborted fetuses.
And the list goes on, on , on , on ...........
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Right on love shy Michael !!
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Yes SimPattyK and AustralianMJBeliever.
The reason WHY there was a hoax about the moon landing is what I'm thinking about. Why did MJ and Elvis try so hard to warn us about the moon ? There must be a reason.
I don't know too much about David Icke to say anything. I only watched some of his videos on youtube. The ones that I saw were "earth shattering" and they do make sense. I haven't read any of his books. I want to get the latest one. The only thing I'm wondering about is, "How has he been able to stick around this long ?" Has he had death threats ? I know he's had problems.
Tink, Why do you think David Icke is a false prophet ? I don't know enough about it to say right now.
Well, if there is some type of moon control like he says then that is majorly important !!! We should investigate this and get to the bottom of it. I don't think we can say that anything is too crazy anymore. We know we have been lied to for eons ! We know "They don't Care About Us ".
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Discovery Channel is corporate run. So even though Mythbusters said " busted" that WE DID PUT MEN ON THE MOON, I don't believe it. They've cut things out of of programs of the History Channel because "they we're too close to being accurate". Any show on TV that is controlled by globalist, CANNOT BE BELIEVED. Sure some parts maybe be true, but they're leaving out the important details. If anyone ever wants the truth on really what's happening in your country, you'd better be looking at alternative media. NEVER MAINSTREAM MEDIA. Journalists now days aren't there to give you their opinions, they are given scripts, just like the soap operas. This is "our version of the truth, & memorize it, because your hired to tell the dumbed down public of watching TV, that THIS is the truth"....
That's what we call journalism now days. Actors & actresses just reading a script. Sad!!
David Icke CAN BE TRUSTED! Why is that every "conspiracy theorist" is demonized for speaking out about our most corrupt elite scum maggots we call "trusted officials". David Icke sells his books too. So what? So just because he sells books means he can't be trusted?
These people are putting their lives on the line to give US THE TRUTH.
Why is the truth soooo hard to swallow that we've been lied to for so long, that some people just can't wrap their head around that our government kills people everyday, in every disgusting manner, & people who are spoon feeding the lies, we just suck in like it's our last meal.
I know the truth is soooooo bizarre sometimes, that I really feel most people would rather just say it doesn't exist.
Just like Chinese has 1 child policy, they will hunt parent down, & if woman is pregnant, they poison the mother, mother goes into labor, & they pull baby out & just drop it in a bucket full of water for infant to drown.
Pepsi-co has been using aborted fetuses in their "taste recptors" trials to ses what taste receptors are triggered in US so we continue to enjoy the "taste" of the soda & we continue to drink Pepsi products. Sick. Look it up. Peipsi-co is in lawsuits with groups all the time about not using aborted fetuses.
And the list goes on, on , on , on ...........
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Yes SimPattyK and AustralianMJBeliever.
The reason WHY there was a hoax about the moon landing is what I'm thinking about. Why did MJ and Elvis try so hard to warn us about the moon ? There must be a reason.
I don't know too much about David Icke to say anything. I only watched some of his videos on youtube. The ones that I saw were "earth shattering" and they do make sense. I haven't read any of his books. I want to get the latest one. The only thing I'm wondering about is, "How has he been able to stick around this long ?" Has he had death threats ? I know he's had problems.
Tink, Why do you think David Icke is a false prophet ? I don't know enough about it to say right now.
Well, if there is some type of moon control like he says then that is majorly important !!! We should investigate this and get to the bottom of it. I don't think we can say that anything is too crazy anymore. We know we have been lied to for eons ! We know "They don't Care About Us ".
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I will apologize, in the sense that I have NOT met the man personally - I'm wanting to know WHERE he's getting his information.
It's beyond a shadow of a doubt that we DID land on the moon, and I'd stake my life on it. You're welcome to PM me, and I'll explain. This one item, above and beyond everything else, I cannot budge on, for it is the truth: we landed on the moon! Last year, confirmation from other sources than NASA came in.
I'd welcome meeting David Icke face to face, BEFORE making a final analysis, okie-dokie? I will be open to that, concerning everything else.
But - I do not believe the royal family is full of lizards - they've been attempting to preserve King David's bloodline, okay? That is what has really been going on.
My reality has been shifted; I see that we're caught in a game. We were given free will to choose: will we choose on the side of God in this game, or will we choose to believe the LIES the deceiver/adversary/devil so sweetly spits out, and covers so well in candy, that melts in your mouth - BECAUSE that's what you want to believe?
Or would you rather eat the truth, whether it tastes like bitter almonds, and lemon without sugar, because you're aware that's what you're really eating?
Think of the movie the MATRIX: would you rather be awake, like NEO, or would you rather be asleep, believing you're eating a big fat juicy steak - or eating porridge slop aboard that ship?
I've chosen to eat the icky porridge slop, and see through the lies that the devil has laid out. THAT is what has happened to me, on St. Patrick's Day.
As for the Apollo Moon Landings - I'll post about it. I've had a hard 2 weeks, but with clarity.
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I really appreciate everyone's input on both sides of the discussion. I'm not 100% convinced either way and need more solid proof, and I know both sides are trying really hard to convince us! :argue: :icon_lol:
Here's a scene from the movie Time Machine written by H.G. Wells.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=-JDJs-Aa9ho&annotation_id=annotation_621887&v=eQEXt1P0OkI
At 6:07 we see the moon representing 2030 where there is a colony on the moon's dark side.
The billboard announcer says they are detonating blasts on the moon to create more subterranean chambers for more Lunar Leisure Living.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1PDNolFZRc&feature=related
In a later scene about 6 years later, the moon is breaking up in huge cracks with pieces falling to the earth.
Plot
In the year 1899, Dr. Alexander Hartdegen (Guy Pearce) is a young inventor teaching at Columbia University in New York City. Unlike his conservative friend David Philby (Mark Addy), Alexander would rather do pure research than work in the world of business. After his sweetheart Emma is killed by a robber, he devotes himself to building a time machine in order to save her. When the machine is completed four years later, he travels back to 1899 and prevents her murder, only to see her killed by an early automobile.
Alexander goes to 2030 to find out whether Emma's life can be saved. At the New York Public Library, a holographic librarian called Vox 114 insists that time travel is impossible, so Alexander continues into the future until 2037, when the accidental destruction of the moon by space colonists renders the Earth virtually uninhabitable. When he restarts the time machine to avoid falling debris, he is knocked unconscious and travels to the year 802,701 before waking up and stopping the machine. At this point in time, the human race has reverted to a primitive lifestyle. Some survivors, called "Eloi", live on the sides of cliffs of what was once Manhattan. Alexander is nursed back to health by a woman named Mara, one of the few Eloi who speak English. One night, Alexander and Mara's young brother, Kalen, dream of a frightening, jagged-toothed face, and the next day, the Eloi are attacked and Mara is dragged underground by ape-like monsters called "Morlocks" that hunt the Eloi for food. In order to rescue her, Kalen leads Alexander to Vox 114, which is still functioning.
After learning from Vox how to find the Morlocks, Alexander enters their underground realm through an opening that resembles the face in his nightmare, but he is captured and thrown into an area where Mara sits in a cage. There he meets an intelligent, humanoid Über-Morlock, who explains that Morlocks are the evolutionary descendants of the humans who stayed underground after the Moon broke apart, while the Eloi are evolved from those who remained on the surface. Über-Morlocks are a caste of telepaths, who rule the monsters that prey on the Eloi. The Über-Morlock explains that Alexander cannot alter Emma's fate because her death is what drove him to build the time machine in the first place: saving her would create a temporal paradox. Alexander gets into the machine, which the Morlocks have brought underground, and prepares to return home, but he suddenly pulls the Über-Morlock into the machine, which carries them into the future as they fight. The Über-Morlock dies by rapidly aging when Alexander pushes him outside of the machine's sphere of influence. Alexander then stops in the year 635,427,810, revealing a harsh, rust-colored sky over a wasteland of Morlock caves.
Finally accepting that he cannot save Emma, Alexander travels back to rescue Mara. After freeing her, he starts the time machine and jams its gears, creating a violent distortion in time. Alexander and Mara escape to the surface as a huge explosion kills the Morlocks and destroys their caves. Alexander begins a new life with Mara and the Eloi in 802,701. The film ends with two scenes in the same location displayed in parallel: while Alexander shows Mara and Kalen a field that was once his home, Philby and Alexander's housekeeper, Mrs. Watchit, sadly discuss his absence. Before leaving Alexander's lab, Mrs. Watchit says, "Godspeed, my fine lad. Godspeed."
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[...]It's beyond a shadow of a doubt that we DID land on the moon, and I'd stake my life on it. [....]
I would never make such a statement unless I'd been there myself.
NOBODY can be that sure, unless they'd been there themselves.
The rest.... is just PROBABILITY / POSSIBILITY .
NOTHING & NOBODY can make me 100% sure of ANYTHING ! Especially not in this case.
I am not 100% sure that there was a moon-landing NOR that there WASN'T !
I incline to believe that there WASN'T , but I can never say it "beyond a shadow of a doubt" because I wasn't there!!
But I have a brains and a reasoning, I have OPEN eyes and I can draw my own conclusions to certain details of this whole subject. I don't need the media or the "Myth Busters" to show me their "truth".
PS: I just made a preview of my post and I saw MJonMind just posted some similar opinion... about not being 100% convinced either way! :icon_e_wink: We really DO think alike almost every time and also AT the same time! :icon_e_biggrin:
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I really appreciate everyone's input on both sides of the discussion. I'm not 100% convinced either way and need more solid proof, and I know both sides are trying really hard to convince us! :argue: :icon_lol: [...]
I don't know who's trying to convince who here, but that's certainly not me.
I already stated a few times in this thread that this is not the purpose why I opened this topic.
It's only to make the connections between MJ & Elvis & also Lady Diana (I still have some more stuff to post here...) and also to understand WHY they left all these clues (?) / references to the MOON behind them... through their music/lyrics...actions... clothing designs, dancing, etc....
Something's UP with the MOON and we need to find out WHAT more precisely! whether it's about the fake moon-landing or not, there's something mysterious about the MOON that needs to be brought up to light.
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I am devided in the moon hoax. There are striking explanations pro and con. As I can't check their validity myself, I just have to let it simmer and have it evolve over time. Though, I tend to go with the moon hoax, as I just don't believe their capsule was secure enough to pass the van allen belt to start with. Also, that the film cameras' film role would have been secure enough to not be affected by the radiation on the moon is a valid doubt. Just by using common sense and a little basic knowledge supports the hoax theory. But as I said. I don't know :Pulling_hair:
I saw David ickes' lecture on the moon during easter 2011. It was quite entertaining/catching! I take this information in. :Pulling_hair: ;D
Is David Icke a false prophet? An Illuminati Agent (because he's still alive: good point :affraid:) Quite frankly: it's of no importance for me. I have read most of his books, all since Greatest Secret. And the information is what has made a much better person of me. I understand my responsibilities in my life towards my surrounding, my child, the people around me, etc. Also, as with Michaels' message, it's about the information itself. Michaels' message has made it clear to me that the children HAVE to be protected by all means. So, his message underlines what David Icke in general talks about. And it underlines it tremendously.
As for the talk about wether he's a false prophet or not or if reptilians exist or not: they are simply distractions from the message itself. Do I believe in reptilians? I can't say I have met one, yet :thjajaja121:. But I can't either say they don't exist. :LolLolLolLol:But I know there is a possibility of all that. It's the possibility that I believe. But from what I have been watching happening in the world for the past 10-12 years since being exposed to David Ickes' info I just can say that a lot of his information is shockingly valid. What do I care about him being a false prophet or Illuminati agent, when his information has helped me open up my mind and heart understanding the importance of Love and only Love?
So, I just chose to believe that all this false prophet talk is the same simple distraction as the discussion about the reptilians (AKA democrates vs. republicans, socialist, liberals, etc.): so noone concentrates on the actual content of his information. Nice distraction. Even false prophets tell parts of the truth. In the end we all have to decide for ourselves.
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http://stupendous.rit.edu/richmond/answers/lunar_lander.html (http://stupendous.rit.edu/richmond/answers/lunar_lander.html)
Then, rediscovery in 2010 by Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter -
Apollo 11:
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Apollo 12:
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Apollo 14:
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Apollo 15:
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Apollo 16:
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Apollo 17:
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Apollo 17 LM Challenger Descent Stage:
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And the Surveyer 1 Landing site:
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THIS is something we've left on the moon, called the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_11_Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment.jpg)
"The detection on Earth of reflections from laser ranging retro-reflectors (LRRRs, or mirrors used as targets for Earth-based tracking lasers) on lunar laser ranging experiments left on the Moon is evidence of landings.[5][6][7][8]
Quoting from James Hansen's biography of Neil Armstrong (First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong):
"For those few misguided souls who still cling to the belief that the Moon landings never happened, examination of the results of five decades of LRRR experiments should evidence how delusional their rejection of the Moon landing really is."[9]
The NASA-independent Observatoire de la Côte D’Azur, McDonald, Apache Point, and Haleakala observatories regularly use the Apollo LRRR.[10] The image on the left shows what is considered some of the most unambiguous evidence. This experiment repeatedly fires a laser at the Moon, at the spots where the Apollo landings were reported. The dots show when photons are received from the Moon. The dark line shows that a large number come back at a specific time, and hence were reflected by something quite small (well under a metre in size). Photons reflected from the surface come back over a much broader range of times (the whole vertical range of the plot corresponds to only 30 meters or so in range). The concentration of photons at a specific time appears when the laser is aimed at the Apollo 11, 14 or 15 landing sites; otherwise the expected featureless distribution is observed.[11] The Apollo reflectors are still in use.[12]
Strictly speaking, although the reflectors are strong evidence that human-manufactured artifacts currently exist on the Moon, and their locations are consistent with NASA's claims, they do not prove humans have visited the Moon. Smaller retroreflectors were carried by the unmanned landers Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2. The Lunokhod 2 reflector has been in use since 1973.[12] The location of Lunokhod 1 was unknown for nearly 40 years but it was rediscovered in 2010 in photographs by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and its retroreflector is now in use."
BTW - Bill Dines performed a HUGE Hoax on everyone, and profited from it! He manipulated PHOTOSHOP for the almighty dollar! He isn't worth the any computer time, because I just categorically disproved him not only through Mythbusters - but also through the photos above.
Someone in my family worked on all the Apollo's CMs, and a few of the LEMs. This person was pivotal in saving the Apollo 13 Odyssey's crew's life directly with a WHITE SOCK. They many never have gotten to walk on the moon together - but perhaps this inspired Michael to Moonwalk with White Socks. ;D
As you can see from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, the images of the LEMs are minute, when compared to the scale of the moon itself.
The significance of Water: inhabitable planets.
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I agree SimPattyK,
There are so many references and clues about the moon. It has to be important. I wish we knew why. It's more than just the debate about whether the landing was fake or not. Also, if it was fake than there was a major reason why.
The phases of the moon are important in order to calculate the creators calendar and the feasts and holidays. If you think about it, that's controlling using the moon. There are websites where you can get the world clock. They have the phases of the moon listed for every city in the world, to the minute for each year. It's perfectly calculated to the minute.
The moons movements are that precise ! It does make you wonder.
I want to get David Icke's book about the moon matrix. I don't know enough about it yet to have an opinion.
It's sometimes difficult to determine who's working with "the dark side". We don't know who to believe and trust.
We'll have to investigate.
Love
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I want to get David Icke's book about the moon matrix. I don't know enough about it yet to have an opinion.
It's sometimes difficult to determine who's working with "the dark side". We don't know who to believe and trust.
We'll have to investigate.
Love
same here! its on my wish list :)
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Actually, the moon phases are calculated to the second. Everything is so precise.
Here is a link.
http://www.calendar-365.com/moon/moon-ph
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Anyone who exposes ANY TRUTH of the NWO, corruptness, of course their lives are always at stake. But those people are so determined to expose the truth because those people have a conscious. And those people want that corruptness to get charged in a criminal justice system that is actually is not corrupt. People like David Icke, among others, have the agenda of GOOD, these people have to wake up the sleeping public to what's been happening right under our noses.
Do some research on the people (David Icke for example) & see how reputable he is. See what his agenda is that he's exposing. Who does he work for? Who is demonizing him for speaking the truth? Is the demonozing him coming from other mainstream media people & networks?
I personally rely on Alex Jones, www.infowars.com, www.naturalnews.com
David Icke is a regular on Alex Jones.
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Also with exposing the truth, there are death threats, & ALL MOST ALL guests who have been on Alex Jones, have publicly said that if "they disappeared" or " died of unexplained death" they are to look at corrupt officials. But because corrupt officials also know that these people are heard everyday (like Alex Jones) on his daily broadcasting, that making these people just disappear would be automatically point fingers at those corrupt ones. That is why these people who speak the truth, constantly tell their audience of believers, that if something was to happen, they know.
Not only are those people at risk for death threats, they are also in line to be bribed to go the other way.Which thank God they haven't, because as normal citizens like myself, who doesn"t have friends in "high places" I rely on the alternative media to give me the truth.
Corrupt officials also pay CLOSE attention to people exposing the truth
Alex Jones has FBI, ATF, CDC, etc...... people either call in or listen everyday just to see how close to the truth Alex really is.
When Alex has phone lines open, he has high officials from every walk of life calling him saying that they can't reveal the city they are calling from, but want to let him know that he does speak the truth.
Which is kind of funny, because Alex said, " you know they know you are calling , because their tracking your everymove, while your on duty, including your personal & work phone"....
Alex Jones has sooooooo many of the same people that people believe are telling the truth. But when Alex Jones is meantioned, they say " oh he can't be trusted, he's working for other side".....
He's not........Alex Jones has been the VOICE OF TRUTH.
For anyone who hasn't see Alex Jones, watch & listen to him & you'll wonder how we as people could've believed the lies for so long.
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Tink I would never stake on your life on that theory.
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My opinion is that the moonlanding was real but some of what they showed was edited and tampered with.
Everyone should just focus on the light and love.
The "bad" guys will collapse no matter what. Just a waste of time spending so much energy on them, but hey I am million times and forever grateful for all the guys out there exposing the truth, about them and everything else. But they should also remind people what's important for everyone to do.
"Illuminati" know their time is up and they are pissing their pants LoL
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Yep they running scared now. All the corrupt officials, Illumanti, NWO, etc......know that the gig is up.
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I am devided in the moon hoax. There are striking explanations pro and con. As I can't check their validity myself, I just have to let it simmer and have it evolve over time. Though, I tend to go with the moon hoax, as I just don't believe their capsule was secure enough to pass the van allen belt to start with. Also, that the film cameras' film role would have been secure enough to not be affected by the radiation on the moon is a valid doubt. Just by using common sense and a little basic knowledge supports the hoax theory. But as I said. I don't know :Pulling_hair:
I saw David ickes' lecture on the moon during easter 2011. It was quite entertaining/catching! I take this information in. :Pulling_hair: ;D
Is David Icke a false prophet? An Illuminati Agent (because he's still alive: good point :affraid:) Quite frankly: it's of no importance for me. I have read most of his books, all since Greatest Secret. And the information is what has made a much better person of me. I understand my responsibilities in my life towards my surrounding, my child, the people around me, etc. Also, as with Michaels' message, it's about the information itself. Michaels' message has made it clear to me that the children HAVE to be protected by all means. So, his message underlines what David Icke in general talks about. And it underlines it tremendously.
As for the talk about wether he's a false prophet or not or if reptilians exist or not: they are simply distractions from the message itself. Do I believe in reptilians? I can't say I have met one, yet :thjajaja121:. But I can't either say they don't exist. :LolLolLolLol:But I know there is a possibility of all that. It's the possibility that I believe. But from what I have been watching happening in the world for the past 10-12 years since being exposed to David Ickes' info I just can say that a lot of his information is shockingly valid. What do I care about him being a false prophet or Illuminati agent, when his information has helped me open up my mind and heart understanding the importance of Love and only Love?
So, I just chose to believe that all this false prophet talk is the same simple distraction as the discussion about the reptilians (AKA democrates vs. republicans, socialist, liberals, etc.): so noone concentrates on the actual content of his information. Nice distraction. Even false prophets tell parts of the truth. In the end we all have to decide for ourselves.
MFFreedom, great post!
We’ve been discussing the Nephilim and the moon, and Ick’s theories on this thread. Since you’ve read his books, it would be great if you added your thoughts to the mix!
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=75.0
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I am devided in the moon hoax. There are striking explanations pro and con. As I can't check their validity myself, I just have to let it simmer and have it evolve over time. Though, I tend to go with the moon hoax, as I just don't believe their capsule was secure enough to pass the van allen belt to start with. Also, that the film cameras' film role would have been secure enough to not be affected by the radiation on the moon is a valid doubt. Just by using common sense and a little basic knowledge supports the hoax theory. But as I said. I don't know :Pulling_hair:
I saw David ickes' lecture on the moon during easter 2011. It was quite entertaining/catching! I take this information in. :Pulling_hair: ;D
Is David Icke a false prophet? An Illuminati Agent (because he's still alive: good point :affraid:) Quite frankly: it's of no importance for me. I have read most of his books, all since Greatest Secret. And the information is what has made a much better person of me. I understand my responsibilities in my life towards my surrounding, my child, the people around me, etc. Also, as with Michaels' message, it's about the information itself. Michaels' message has made it clear to me that the children HAVE to be protected by all means. So, his message underlines what David Icke in general talks about. And it underlines it tremendously.
As for the talk about wether he's a false prophet or not or if reptilians exist or not: they are simply distractions from the message itself. Do I believe in reptilians? I can't say I have met one, yet :thjajaja121:. But I can't either say they don't exist. :LolLolLolLol:But I know there is a possibility of all that. It's the possibility that I believe. But from what I have been watching happening in the world for the past 10-12 years since being exposed to David Ickes' info I just can say that a lot of his information is shockingly valid. What do I care about him being a false prophet or Illuminati agent, when his information has helped me open up my mind and heart understanding the importance of Love and only Love?
So, I just chose to believe that all this false prophet talk is the same simple distraction as the discussion about the reptilians (AKA democrates vs. republicans, socialist, liberals, etc.): so noone concentrates on the actual content of his information. Nice distraction. Even false prophets tell parts of the truth. In the end we all have to decide for ourselves.
MFFreedom, great post!
We’ve been discussing the Nephilim and the moon, and Ick’s theories on this thread. Since you’ve read his books, it would be great if you added your thoughts to the mix!
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=75.0
Thanks. OK, I just want to give a quick overview of his theory which is, that the moon in actuality is a giant space ship (HIS theory, not mine, OK ;D that once was placed in its current position as it is so incredibly accurately in distance between earth and son (if I remember correctly). The zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, confirms this from his own tribe that there was a time when there was no moon. What is funny is, that, no matter how big the craters on the moon are in diameter, they are NEVER just once deeper than the smaller ones. There are investigative books out there about the moon, which talk about that the inner shell of the moon is of metalic in its substance, hence, after a detonation of some TNT the scientists reported a sound like a bell that would sustain for quite a while. Further, it is said to have been intented to have 'the moon' face earth always from the same side, that on the backside of the moon is actually the entrance into the ship, more or less like the death star from Star Wars, where ships are coming and going without being seen from the earth. If you want, I can give you the titles. Now, moving away from the 'physical' aspects of the moon to the the purpose of the moon. David Icke says, that the moon also sends out a strong electric signal, that affects the decoding in our brain. Those who are not yet familiar with his work: we are not seeing with our eyes, as they only pick up electrical signals which are decoded in our brain to pictures, hence, we 'see' with our brain as the brain forms the pictures. This signal not only affects our decoding abilities, but also that the photons, coming from the sun, which according to him are extremely important for us to stay healthy, are also changed. Something like a change in the DNA of the photons. Photons would help our own vibrations to evolve, whereas the electrically changed form of photons prevents us from doing so. This signal also puts a certain vibration around the world, that prevents us humans further to access our true knowledge, that according to him is inherent in each and every one of us, we just can't access it due to that circumstance. Whoever has seen 'They Live', that's pretty much how everything works according to him (the glasses change the electrical impulses from the outside world so our brain decodes the impulses now exposing the orders everywhere like consum, don't think, obey, etc. In the end, the sender on top of the TV studio is destoyed and suddenly the people see the aliens. So much for the movie. Bottomline is, the moon isn't what it is presented to be, even John Lear jr., who I am still at odds with even after five years, claims, that there are daily anti -gravity shuttles going up to the moon to get helium 3. Just recently I saw an official documentary where they stated, that the moon is full of helium 3 (better than Uran) ... go figure that one out.
As I've said, to me, everything is possible. I personally don't believe I need to know if each detail is true. I need to have the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is what we're not supposed to see, because it would free us. That's why I don't engage into discussions if aliens exist or not, as that is intented distraction from the bigger picture, but the possibility is there. We are slaves, we are far too easy engaged in emotional debates, when they are really of no importance. So, I really believe, we need to get back to the roots. Our love, our heart, for some, God. I respect David Icke, but I don't worship him. I've stopped worshipping anyone.
Any thoughts are very appreciated. ;D
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The MOON regulates tIME
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVispBJCA7E&feature=channel[/youtube]
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If we want to follow god/the creator's holy days, festivals/feasts etc. then we have to follow the calendar as described in the bible. this is the creators calendar which uses the sun and the moon. We can't use the man made calendar to do this because it won't work. I saw this a few months ago on 119ministries.com. They have a lot of teachings and videos. One video/reading is about the creator's calendar. It was posted by MsTrinity333 on the sister website, Michael Jackons Army of Love.
I am going to follow it. The holidays/feasts are calculated according to this calendar. For example, Passover and Easter have followed it. There's a reason that Easter is the same time as Passover. Jesus was following this calendar. The day of Easter is also the day of First Fruits. If past events followed this calendar than it follows or makes sense that future events will also follow this. It was important to follow back then so it must be important to follow now.
Love You :bearhug:
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Love you , too, sis' :bearhug:
I'm orthodox.... we have Easter next weekend.... Not such a good calendar :icon_lol:
Anyway I have FAITH in God, whatever the calendar is! :icon_e_wink:
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Love you , too, sis' :bearhug:
I'm orthodox.... we have Easter next weekend.... Not such a good calendar :icon_lol:
Anyway I have FAITH in God, whatever the calendar is! :icon_e_wink:
Amen to that Sim! FAITH in God is what I lean on constantly..........blessings to you always!
Happy Easter : )
Love you sis!
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Love you , too, sis' :bearhug:
I'm orthodox.... we have Easter next weekend.... Not such a good calendar :icon_lol:
Anyway I have FAITH in God, whatever the calendar is! :icon_e_wink:
Amen to that Sim! FAITH in God is what I lean on constantly..........blessings to you always!
Happy Easter : )
Love you sis!
Happy Easter and Blessings to you too! LOVE you sis'!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0073.gif)
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I am going to follow it. The holidays/feasts are calculated according to this calendar. For example, Passover and Easter have followed it. There's a reason that Easter is the same time as Passover. Jesus was following this calendar. The day of Easter is also the day of First Fruits. If past events followed this calendar than it follows or makes sense that future events will also follow this. It was important to follow back then so it must be important to follow now.
correct, the moon was used as a method of calander in jesus day...
Nisan 14, the day jesus died was thursday the 5th of april. (this year. each year it changes date slightly according to moon) however our commercial easter (good friday, easter sunday and easter monday) do not not always fall on the correct date of when jesus died on the man made calander. it comes close (like this year) but not always. some years it has been a week out or more. the moon calander really should be followed if one wishes to honor the passover and commemorate his death, thats if they want to do it on the exact day he died..
the jewish calander based on the moon does also highlight how incorrect the date is of jesus birth (dec 25th).... but thats another topic :)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mvOVcGJkk00/TOxJKU4zf-I/AAAAAAAAInE/C5TaJf5x9Ho/s1600/Hebrew+Calendar+and+Feast+Cycle.jpg)
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Great post and pic, thank you Aussie ! :bearhug:
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This may have been discussed earlier in the thread so please forgive me if it was but in the broadcast you see Neil Armstrong climbing down the ladder. If he was the first man to walk on the moon who is filming him climbing down the ladder?
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Exactly!! lmao :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
There are many common sense details like this that are indicative of a hoax! some of them are highlighted in the photos that I posted at the beginning of this thread.
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THE CAMERA IS ON THE LEM'S MESA - MY FATHER AND HIS ENGINEERS PUT IT THERE FOR THIS OCCASION! It didn't need any HUMAN to operate it! Technically, it was in a box. Aldrin turned it on from the inside of the LEM, then Armstrong pulled on a cable near the top of the ladder, which opened the box up, with the camera running, pointing at the ladder! There's a funny story about the camera being bolted on upside down, and it was transmitting Armstrong coming down the ladder upside down, because some dolt forgot to flip the switch to make him right-side up. Only the Australian broadcast had it right, so that's the broadcast signal sent around the world!
See, for my very own FATHER was one of the Design & Construction Engineers for the Space Program under Rockwell International for NASA, and worked on each and every part of the LEM, the CM, and the SM. Yes, that's correct - that's why I'LL BET MY LIFE on the Apollo Missions on the Moon! My father literally poured his heart and his soul into the Apollo Spacecraft. I was often jealous, but he said that our lives depended on it, and to trust him on it. I didn't understand at the time, but I've always trusted my father - not any government.
When Apollo 13 SM blew, my father was called in to work, and it felt like a month to a child. Because he knew each and every PART of the CM, the SM, and the LEM, he's the one who came up with the SOCK to work with the carbon dioxide scrubbers, and save whom he called "The boys," lives!
That's why I'll bet my life on all of the Apollos - my father was one of the human angels making history REAL.
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In then West Germany Bocham Radio Observatory was in the news often, as it received transmissions from both American & Russian space vehicles!
The Director at the time, Professor Heinz Kaminski, was able to provide confirmation of events and data independent of both the Russian and US space agencies.
During the later Apollo missions, the observatory received and recorded some of the Field Sequential Color TV transmissions from the Lunar Rovers on the Moon, as well biomedical data and voice.
An independent recording of the Lunar Landing.
During Apollo 11, the observatory ‘listened in’ on the first lunar landing.
The present Director, Dr. Thilo Elsner, has provided a short audio recording of transmissions received from the Apollo 11 Lunar Module, Eagle, at the time of Lunar touchdown.
The Moon was just above the horizon at the time of the landing, but it was below the horizon for the first step.
Click on the links here, to see independent/hear independent audio/visual confirmation, from Honeysuckle Creek, Australia & Bocham Germany: http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/msfn_missions/Apollo_11_mission/index.html (http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/msfn_missions/Apollo_11_mission/index.html)
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You've got some amazing connections Tink!
Today I watched the movie, Hugo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_(film) He is a boy, son of a clockmaker who dies leaving him alone. It involves an early movie maker, Georges Melies, who before WW1, created elaborate sets for his films, the most famous of which is A Trip to the Moon. The rocket slams into the moon and then all kinds of theatrical fun colorful human activity is depicted. He is the creator of a clock-work style automaton (robot), who unknown to him, has been obtained by the boy ‘s father. Eventually the boy fixes it, and it mechanically draws a sketch similar to this drawing of Georges’.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Le_voyage_dans_la_lune_drawing.jpg/220px-Le_voyage_dans_la_lune_drawing.jpg)
In the final scenes when Georges finally receives recognition for his genius work, he says to the audience, “Follow my dreams!”
Just some background on it:
Johnny Depp helped produce it.
The overall backstory and primary features of Georges Méliès' life as depicted in the film are largely accurate: he did become interested in film after seeing a demonstration of the Lumière brothers' camera[40], he was a magician and toymaker, he experimented with automata, he did own a theatre (Theatre Robert-Houdin), he was forced into bankruptcy, his film stock was reportedly melted down for its cellulose, he became a toy salesman at the Montparnasse station, and he was eventually awarded the Légion d'honneur medal after a period of terrible neglect. Many of the early silent films shown in the movie are Méliès's actual works, such as Le voyage dans la lune (1902).
I really enjoyed the movie with its turn of the 19th century elaborate setting in a busy train station. The rocket landing on the moon caught my eye, and humans walking on it. The real film was produced in 1902. Amazing they thought of sending a rocket to the moon back then.
Here is Wiki on the early film, A Trip to the Moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Trip_to_the_Moon
A Trip to the Moon or Voyage to the Moon (French: Le Voyage dans la lune) is a 1902 French black-and-white silent science fiction film. It is based loosely on two popular novels of the time: Jules Verne'sFrom the Earth to the Moon and H. G. Wells' The First Men in the Moon.[1]
Some[who?] have claimed that the film was one of the earliest examples of pataphysical film, while stating that the film aims to "show the illogicality of logical thinking".[7] Others still have remarked that the director, Georges Méliès, aimed in the film to "invert the hierarchal values of modern French society and hold them up to ridicule in a riot of the carnivalesque".[7] This is seen as an inherent part of the film's plot: the story pokes fun at the scientists and at science in general, in that upon traveling to the Moon, the astronomers find that the face of the Moon is, in fact, the face of a man, and that it is populated by little green men.[7]
Méliès had intended to release the film in the United States to profit from it. Thomas Edison's film technicians, however, secretly made copies of it and distributed it throughout the country. While the film was still hugely successful, Méliès eventually went bankrupt.[1] This was due to the eventual view which was held towards his films that the special effects were overshadowing the plot.[8]
In an interview of Martin Scorsese by Jon Stewart on The Daily Show, Scorsese said, “He [Georges Méliès] lost basically most of his financing when the bigger companies came in. What happened here. . . at that time there was a lot going on with copyright and not copyright and that sort of thing.” Stewart said, “There is a story that Edison had taken one of his [Georges Méliès] films, brought it to America and showed it and it became enormously popular in America. But Edison decided not to pay I guess what we would call royalties.” Scorsese replied: “That's right. So what happened, the film was I think the famous one, 'A Trip to the Moon.' They [Thomas Edison and his associates] were just taking the films and making dupes of them. So that was one of the reasons why he [Georges Méliès] was finished financially, ultimately.”[9]
Boy, that’s like piracy of songs and movies today hurting artists, and being a big problem.
1865 Jules Verne wrote From Earth to the Moon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon_Jules_Verne.jpg/200px-From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon_Jules_Verne.jpg)
From the Earth to the Moon (French: De la Terre à la Lune, 1865) is a humorous science fantasy novel by Jules Verne and is one of the earliest entries in that genre. It tells the story of the president of a post-American Civil War gun club in Baltimore, his rival, a Philadelphia maker of armor, and a Frenchman, who build an enormous sky-facing Columbiad space gun and launch themselves in a projectile/spaceship from it to a Moon landing.
The story is also notable in that Verne attempted to do some rough calculations as to the requirements for the cannon and, considering the comparative lack of any data on the subject at the time, some of his figures are surprisingly close to reality. However, his scenario turned out to be impractical for safe manned space travel since a much longer muzzle would have been required to reach escape velocity while limiting acceleration to survivable limits for the passengers.
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@MJonmind - Thanks, but it's only family, not connections. Just imagine what fun my life was: growing up with not only a father breaking ground as one of the first Aerospace engineers, but my mother was an Architect, ta boot! :Pulling_hair:
I'm going to start another thread with your topic, because I enjoy Science Fiction/Fantasy so very much.
My father told me he no time for make believe, as he put it, "I'm too busy making it real, Pumpkin."
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I was going through some things today, and strangely enough - I found a cache of my father's photos that were declassified from Rockwell! I thought you'd all enjoy them, so here goes!
My father working on fabricating the Ablative Heat shield on an Apollo Command Module. You can see how thick they're making it, by the wood forms: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/apollocmda.jpg)
More fabrication, lining things up before fabrication. Obviously, things change from CM to CM, so they must measure each and every time.
You will notice that there's a woman sitting atop the sandwiched floor, working on the electrical system, wearing clean room booties! The closer they got to the cockpit, the more they dressed that way, until everything was actually inside the Clean Room: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/apollocmac.jpg)
My father and his team inspecting the first "sandwiching" of the Service Module wall: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/apollosmda.jpg)
And finally, the Command Module is finished and the Service Module is assembled, ready to be be ground shipped to the Kennedy Space Center. I think they look so cute, all "Gift Wrapped" and ready to go, who'd imagine they were Space ships: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/cmsmshippi.jpg)
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Tink, please use the hoax -pic site to put up your pics. We can't see them.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/)
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Tink, please use the hoax -pic site to put up your pics. We can't see them.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/)
Thanks - image shack worked before, hm.
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Tink, please use the hoax -pic site to put up your pics. We can't see them.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/)
what.... wow! i had no idea... (dumbo alert!) here i have been uploading to photobucket all this time!!!!
great. thats an account i can delete... have too much stuff going on at the mo - since hoax.. twiiter, MJDHI, YT, Others, lol.
thanks Mjonmind!
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Tink, please use the hoax -pic site to put up your pics. We can't see them.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/)
what.... wow! i had no idea... (dumbo alert!) here i have been uploading to photobucket all this time!!!!
great. thats an account i can delete... have too much stuff going on at the mo - since hoax.. twiiter, MJDHI, YT, Others, lol.
thanks Mjonmind!
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You're welcome, but it's thanks to Souza for setting it up. I have Photo-bucket too, but I was always worried I'd exceed my bandwidth again. She probably set it up while you were gone to Hong Kong. :icon_e_smile:
Tink, your pictures are truly amazing! I take it that your father is white?
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Tink, your pictures are truly amazing! I take it that your father is white?
@MJonmind - I forgot to hit auto levels on the photos; they're faded, almost 50 years old, you know, lol. The photo with the SM shell, I had to brighten it. He was darker than anyone there, but they all thought it was because he's from California! :icon_e_biggrin: His hands, & elbows arms were always dry from the chemicals. His palms were always torn up, but he was proud that he got in there with everyone else; he was no slacker. I recall he said you can feel more with the tips of your fingers, like imperfections on a surface, than you can with gloves on.
Wow, I just realized 1966 is when I still lived out here! He would fly back every once in awhile, but we had to move to Tulsa, because of the Apollo missions. I didn't want to go; dad had a way with words, said the world depended on those at his work, their families for support, so us, too, to get to the moon.
Oh, my - all this time during the Apollo 13 crisis, I thought he was calling to reassure me. He was calling every night, to hear a little girl's voice, and about normal stuff, to give him support. :o Didn't matter whether it was homework, watching cartoons - I was his anchor! So, it was all their families that pulled these engineers through; helped them recharge their batteries, refocus on the task at hand, "Save these boys!" They slept on cots in the lunch room; worked as many hours as they could stay focused, then crashed for a few hours. I think they got at the most, 3-4 hours sleep, because their brains were on overdrive. Until my dad & his team did indeed, save the boys.
BTW - my dad's both White & Black, which is why he took the slanderous name he was called, and turned it into a positive. Predominantly Polish, with Afro-Deutsch in the mix. First gen. American. I learned much from him.
This is a hard read at first, but towards the end, it helps with the understanding of those who lived having mixed blood back when he was in High School/College, then during WW2: http://sophie.byu.edu/webfm_send/577 (http://sophie.byu.edu/webfm_send/577)
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I was listening to commentary on The Simpsons Season 5 DVD. At this particular time I was listening to commentary on "Deep Space Homer" one of my favourite episode where guess what geniuses Homer goes into space it also features the voice of Buzz Aldrin. Matt Groening (the brilliant creator of The Simpsons) said that Buzz Aldrin gets really pi$$ed off whenever somebody comments about the moonlanding being fake, he punched a guy before who told him it was fake. Also, I was gonna post the Mythbusters video as well debunking the whole hoax thing but Tink bet me to it :th_bravo:
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I was listening to commentary on The Simpsons Season 5 DVD. At this particular time I was listening to commentary on "Deep Space Homer" one of my favourite episode where guess what geniuses Homer goes into space it also features the voice of Buzz Aldrin. Matt Groening (the brilliant creator of The Simpsons) said that Buzz Aldrin gets really pi$$ed off whenever somebody comments about the moonlanding being fake, he punched a guy before who told him it was fake. Also, I was gonna post the Mythbusters video as well debunking the whole hoax thing but Tink bet me to it :th_bravo:
@Katie - Strangely enough, they were speaking about this on the radio out here this morning about Buzz Aldrin! It was so refreshing to hear someone speak about that.
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I've seen both videos with both astronauts getting pissed when asked about the moon landing & swearing on a bible that it was real. Why would anyone punch someone in the face for something that was "true"? I don't care how many times they are asked, why get defensive if the answer is "yes, we did land on the moon".
The Discovery Channel is owned by the globalists. So believing thier "myth busted" is not any reassurance for me when Mythbusters aired it.
The truth is the truth, no defensive mechanicsms need to go up. Unless...........they have something to hide.
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I've seen both videos with both astronauts getting pissed when asked about the moon landing & swearing on a bible that it was real. Why would anyone punch someone in the face for something that was "true"? I don't care how many times they are asked, why get defensive if the answer is "yes, we did land on the moon".
The Discovery Channel is owned by the globalists. So believing thier "myth busted" is not any reassurance for me when Mythbusters aired it.
The truth is the truth, no defensive mechanicsms need to go up. Unless...........they have something to hide.
I disagree, and support the astronauts, in losing their temper. IT IS A HUMAN REACTION!! I've put up with for decades, "So - this is great artwork - who's girlfriend are you?" I'd tell them I drew it. "No way, it's too cool! Girls draw fuzzy bunnies and stuff!" One day at the SDCC, I turned to the other artists and said, "The next fanboy who says those words to me is going to get STRANGLED!" Sure enough, it happened! So, I stormed my table, and leapt over all my originals, and put my hands around his neck(actually, next to it; I can't really hurt anyone), and made his head jiggle back and forth, screaming, "What makes you think girls cannot draw just as good as guys, you bloody moron!?" I then noticed that my feet weren't touching anything - and three other artists had grabbed me in mid-leap, asking me nicely to let go of the fanboy. I quit being all Dark Phoenix on him - but it went down in history of the convention of what NOT to do, to fans. I suffered greatly for this...and learned humility. Smile, let them pay for the art, and laugh at those who are rude.
So, to say that those astronauts would never lose their temper, is silly to me. Because even I, as a girl, have lost it.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/wateronthe.jpg)
-----> Moon Water Remains a Mystery - NASA Science (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1999/ast13oct99_1/)
-----> Lots of Water on The Moon (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_37.htm)
-----> Study Finds That The Moon Has More Water Than Thought Before (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/luna_moonanomalies07.htm)
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@SimPatty - If you look up Earth is a living Dynamo, it gets quite fascinating. The moon is dying; still has a molten center, which is why it has a pull on the Earth. This Dynamic affect on Earth, is why we have much protection against meteorites, and why so few get through our atmosphere - The Dynamo effect, created by the molten center, creates the magnetic field, which protects earth.
Mars is DEAD; I see no reason to visit it, unless we can re-ignite it's Dynamo. The molten center is solid metal. If it can become a living Dynamo again, then we've got Earth 2 eventually. It's theorized that it was slowing down, then got bombarded so heavily, the Dynamo gave up.
So Earth is quite literally, ALIVE.
This was one of the most important reasons for us to collect rocks from the moon, btw. Only on Apollo 17 I believe, did we get any rocks that proved the moon was still a living Dynamo.
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Tink, why haven't they done any more moon landings since the Apollo missions. Seems to me they should perfect it, eventually set up a base there. Some rich people would pay millions to walk on the moon. There's all kinds of scientific studies that could be done, more photography, and creative projects that could be done there! Why! Yet they talk of going to Mars, which is ridiculous - a six month journey one way!
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without disrespect to your father, i never have and never will believe... just because people work as aerospace engineers (not referring to your father) it doesnt mean what they actually put their hands to, does infact fulfill what the government alleges as fact. thousands of people were comissioned to work on such projects through history without *really* knowing what they were and werent participating or being *set up* to participate in as part of an illusion.
need more examples other than moon landing... look at 911... look at MJDH??? Prime example... How many people were used on the day and thereafter to make it work.... doesnt mean they were "in" on the truth...
not looking for debate. just my opinion. and no disrespect to your father. i am generalising amongst the many NASA / Gov employees who's talants / roles are exploited for the purpose of agenda.
photos prove nothing. MJ has proven that, if anything.
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Example. Before I stepped into Social Work, I worked in Government Recritment / Human Resources for several departments. Many a time I was screening and had a rather large say on who would go through final hiring process, etc. I was searching ang reference checking skills, experience, qualifications, verifying identities, and sitting on panels as well as facilitating many assessment centres, simulations without knowing complete confidential details of contracts, projects and associated information. These were called white projects. Meaning blank. For all I know the goverment could have been exploiting my people skills to recruit covert projects...
wild imagination. maybe. maybe not. still i was employed yet certainly not in the know of what I was *really* doing.
and yet, one of merely countless examples i am sure!
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Aussie, you make a good point about all the many people employed in top secret projects, who like in any pyramid system, each level only knows what they're supposed to know and no more.
Anyway, the reason I came here, was that I just happened to watch this video that assumes they landed on the moon, but it has the take of we are not told of encounters with alien craft there.
Bec, I thought you might be interested because it talks again about gods coming to earth long ago.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Xamo9IHGw&feature=related[/youtube]
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The Moon Landing Hoax
John Glenn, two-time US senator and the first man in space was a Mason. The number of astronauts known to be Masons is astonishing:
Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11)
Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5)
Donn Eisele (Apollo 7)
John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6)
Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3)
James Irwin (Apollo 15)
Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14)
Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury 8 )
Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9)
Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger)
This list is by no means comprehensive and there are likely scores upon scores of Masons within the ranks of NASA. Werner Von Braun, the first director of NASA was one of many top Nazi rocket scientists the CIA brought to America during Operation Paperclip.
So to begin with, NASA is full of Masons and Nazis not the most historically honest folks.
There is an area of very high radiation called the Van Allen Belt 272 miles from Earth which the Russians could never pass. In fact in 1959 Bill Kaysing reported on a Russian study which discovered that the amount of radiation on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in 4 feet of lead in order to avoid instant death.
John Mauldin, a NASA physicist, said they would need at least two meters of thick shielding.
How did the NASA astronauts account for the Van Allen Belt and Moon’s radiation? How were they able to walk on the Moon in such flimsy suits?
On top of this, every 11 years the Van Allen Belt varies through cycles of radiation and 1969-70 during the Apollo missions was at peak intensity. NASA has never provided an adequate explanation for this.
Two years before Apollo 11, NASA director Werner Von Braun and a small team took a mysterious trip to Antarctica. They claimed to be scoping out remote locations for top-secret training facilities, but skeptics say they went to collect “Moon” rocks. Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?”
The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jimcarey00.jpg)
There are a number of photos supposedly taken on the Moon that clearly show the letter “C” engraved in a “Moon rock.” In one picture another “C” is seen drawn into the ground right next to the rock. and one on the ground next to it. CC is numerologically 33 and is Masonic code, a wink-wink elbow nudge to fellow Masons. In the Masonic Scary Movie 3, a reporter named Cindi Campbell is reporting on Crop Circles (CC, another Masonic ploy to make you believe in Aliens). Just after this Eminem the rapper (MM = 33 on its side) talks with Cindi Campbell about Crop Circles.
The double letter symbology is abundant in Masonry and well-known to initiates.
All NASA mission patches are full of occult/Masonic symbolism and perhaps none more so than the Apollo missions. The names of the missions and crafts are almost always names of ancient gods or astrological signs; they always use Roman numerals, and complex Sacred Geometry, the secrets of which are held by the Masons. Why was it “the Eagle” that landed on the Moon? Eagles have long been used to symbolize the crown chakra. Many mission patches feature the caduceus, serpents, eagles, and other spiritual symbology.
The STS58 patch shows a snake coiling up a pole with a V under it on one side and a caduceus on the other.
The Egyptian Osiris is depicted as being green and so is his wife Isis, like the green Statue of Liberty and her green $ dollars. Jim Carrey, JC, like Jesus Christ, is the Sun/Son of God.
In “The Grinch” Jim Carrey plays a green character who steals Christmas. In the movie poster he is walking in front of the Moon, obscuring it, and carrying a sack of stolen goodies.
Carrey also played green characters in Batman Forever (the Riddler), and the Mask (notice the MM highlighted in the poster). He plays Andy Kaufman, a hoax, in the movie called “Man on the Moon” (MM) which features the REM song of the same name (“if you believe they put a Man on the Moon, if you believe there’s nothing up his sleeve”).
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jimcarey.jpg)
A year after the faked Moon landing a Knights Newspaper poll found that more than 30% of US citizens were “suspicious of NASA’s trips to the Moon.” According to a 1999 Gallup poll only 6% of the US population had any doubts that Apollo astronauts walked on the Moon.
It seems that up until now their propaganda campaign has proved quite successful.
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
Adolf Hitler
Hitler said, “great liars are also great magicians,” and “the great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” Hitler actually described “The Big Lie” in his book “Mein Kampf” as a propaganda technique. He said the lie must be “so colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”
16 years later, Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels wrote in a Jan. 12th, 1941 article called “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” that,
“The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
He is also quoted saying,
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, the people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
The president of the International Flat Earth Research Society thinks the moon landings were faked in Hollywood studios with help from Masons Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke. He claims that NASA’s reason for existence is to promote the myth of a round Earth and a non-Earth centered cosmogony/cosmology.
Werner von Braun never admitted the Moon landing hoax, but just before he died in an interview with Carol Rosin, he said that in order to sustain the military-industrial complex, first they had created the “Cold War” threat.
Once that veil was lifted, a false “terrorist” threat would be created and propagated to the public. Once that was seen through they would create a false asteroid threat to be dealt within an “Armageddon” military-industrial manner.
Then their last card is to stage a fake alien invasion using their classified antigravity “UFO” technology.
“Think about it. If you wanted an excuse to globally centralize all government, finance, military, police and other institutions, you would need a threat to the planet as a whole. What better way than to kid the people they are being invaded from space?
You would have a global problem, a global demand that ‘Something must be done’ and an opportunity to offer a global solution: a world government and army to meet this ‘threat’. That is the plan we are now being prepared for.”
David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (483)
SOURCE ----> The Atlantean Conspiracy - 47 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy47.htm)
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Thanks Sim, your entire post is fascinating.
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The Moon Landing Hoax
In the Masonic Scary Movie 3, a reporter named Cindi Campbell is reporting on Crop Circles (CC, another Masonic ploy to make you believe in Aliens). Just after this Eminem the rapper (MM = 33 on its side) talks with Cindi Campbell about Crop Circles.
SOURCE ----> The Atlantean Conspiracy - 47 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy47.htm)
Eminem wasn't in SM3, that was Simon Rex, but I do find the rest of your post interesting
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Thanks Sim, great post. You know how I feel about moon hoax. :icon_e_wink:
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considering you are bringing up van allen belt, i'll take the opportunity to re-post an older post of mine.
and WOW - at the 4 ft of lead. (i hadnt come across that fact in my research)
the evidence of fraud is overwhelming!!!
the radiation in the van allen belt alone would have killed them
after all the amount of radiation is thousands of times more powerful than that of the Nuclear meltdown of Chernobyl (and chernobyl was thousands of times more radiant than the bombs of Hiroshima) but yet workers are only allowed 1 hour of research in minimal areas, while some have died due to that minimal exposure ( and that is only in the Minimal radiation areas)
so considering that chernobyl workers could only spend 40 seconds ( for safety of radiation poisoning) and alot have died working on chernobyl ( or have horrible cancers), we still have astronauts which went through a belt that is thousands of times more powerful than that of Chernobyl, and Chernobyl was a thousand times more powerful in radiation than Hiroshima which radiation has killed hundreds of thousands.
Astronauts had a lead and metallic alloy ship ( Chernobyl had to use Mega Tons of lead to disrupt the radiation dosage minimally) but still all that led and safety precautions only kept workers safe for 40 seconds at a time.. but astronauts passing through a much more powerful Radiation Belt twice ( from Solar and space radiation winds etc. as demonstrated above) for a total of 2 hours going straight through a nuclear blast and they still survived without a cancer / mental development problems / or skin diseases?
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But...but...but what about the huge satellite in Parkes (a small rural in Australia)? :confused: :confused: Has anyone here seen the movie "The Dish"?? That satellite supposedly broadcasted all those images on our TVs back then. Why would they stick something like that in a rural town for nothing??
Sorry i'm not one of those who believes the 1969 moon landing was a hoax. :-\ :icon_redface:
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But...but...but what about the huge satellite in Parkes (a small rural in Australia)? :confused: :confused: Has anyone here seen the movie "The Dish"?? That satellite supposedly broadcasted all those images on our TVs back then. Why would they stick something like that in a rural town for nothing??
Sorry i'm not one of those who believes the 1969 moon landing was a hoax. :-\ :icon_redface:
Yes. have seen the DISH. to answer your question, well why not? the more lies, fake supporting events (such as dish) that can be carried out on an international scale, the more people will believe the lie.
In fact it makes sence to perpetuate the lie internationally. it actually gives the lie *more* substance!