Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2012 => Topic started by: TS_comments on March 06, 2012, 04:33:44 PM
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Time for the next Sign (#2).
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0 (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0)
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TS :)
So good to see you! We've missed you bearhug
Thanks for sign #2. Gonna read now...
with L.O.V.E.
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Welcome back TS missed you and still love u,thanks for stopping by.Now off to read. /bravo/
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It's that time again! Thanks TS! Going to read some now, may not be able to finish it till later!
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Furniture? All I am picturing are the drawings of furniture right now. The ones Michael did....they mostly have faces on them.
OK...going to reread, rethink and get back again.....
Good to see you around TS......
I'll try to understand it all.......
Blessings to you always
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Before reading....... at last!!!................ lolol/
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TS :D TY
mj_bad/ bearhug lolol/
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:)
Time for the next Sign (#2).
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0 (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0)
Happy to see you back! bearhug
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/overreacting/
But Revelation is especially for the end of time, and the end of the world is now very near. So God has allowed the truth on the seven divisions of Revelation to be clearly seen. The truth will prevail; not only on the furniture and festivals, and the divisions of Revelation, but also many other truths. Stay tuned for five more signs yet to come this year.
Stay tuned for 5 more signs yet to come this year? That's a good way to keep people hanging. Sorry, but I am beginning to believe again that this has nothing to do with Michael. I am happy for everyone who has shown excitement over this. suspicious//
Blessings
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/overreacting/
But Revelation is especially for the end of time, and the end of the world is now very near. So God has allowed the truth on the seven divisions of Revelation to be clearly seen. The truth will prevail; not only on the furniture and festivals, and the divisions of Revelation, but also many other truths. Stay tuned for five more signs yet to come this year.
Stay tuned for 5 more signs yet to come this year? That's a good way to keep people hanging. Sorry, but I am beginning to believe again that this has nothing to do with Michael. I am happy for everyone who has shown excitement over this. suspicious//
Blessings
TS - you're ignoring something...
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/overreacting/
But Revelation is especially for the end of time, and the end of the world is now very near. So God has allowed the truth on the seven divisions of Revelation to be clearly seen. The truth will prevail; not only on the furniture and festivals, and the divisions of Revelation, but also many other truths. Stay tuned for five more signs yet to come this year.
Stay tuned for 5 more signs yet to come this year? That's a good way to keep people hanging. Sorry, but I am beginning to believe again that this has nothing to do with Michael. I am happy for everyone who has shown excitement over this. suspicious//
Blessings
What forum is it posted on? Right, a forum that has 'nothing' to do with Michael. Falsely accusing people of creating cults and brain washing and negativity has nothing to do with Michael either, yet this site is full of it.
If you don't like it, don't read it.
@TS: thanks. I have to get on with the site but will definitely read later.
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TS, always good to see you.
Uhh.. so ya, that was a lot for me to take in. The way you've written it makes sense, I just need to let myself catch up. I will definitely have to read it again and do some research and thinking for my own understanding.
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@TS...thanks for the 2nd Sign! I'm in the middle of working on my income taxes and looking for loopholes :lol: (such fun!)...but took a break to read through the post. I've just read it once and will definitely have to read it again...dig into it...and then comment. It is obvious that a lot of time and effort went into it and it's very much appreciated ::P I'll let it all simmer in the background while I 'creatively' work on my taxes ;)
@Wish...my first thought was the furniture art as well...but I'll have to think on it some more to see how/if it 'fits'.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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/overreacting/
But Revelation is especially for the end of time, and the end of the world is now very near. So God has allowed the truth on the seven divisions of Revelation to be clearly seen. The truth will prevail; not only on the furniture and festivals, and the divisions of Revelation, but also many other truths. Stay tuned for five more signs yet to come this year.
Stay tuned for 5 more signs yet to come this year? That's a good way to keep people hanging. Sorry, but I am beginning to believe again that this has nothing to do with Michael. I am happy for everyone who has shown excitement over this. suspicious//
Blessings
This is my strong feeling too. TS's exciting stories about the end of the world have nothing to do with our Michael. Well, maybe with another Michael - his.
I'll "keep watchin' " despite Souza's indication "if you don't like it, don't read it" just because this forum is suppose to be for and about Michael, and the link to the signs is here.
Just curious when and how his theory of TS' will end.
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Thanks TS. You made my day. A difficult and much missunderstood subject, [especially by me] expounded and simplified in an easy to understand way. Thankyou for that. Types and shadows / correlating anti-types and fullfillments get me so excited. I'm never happier than when I get to hear someone, for example, teach the book of Revelation from the book of Genesis.....from seed to fullfillment. I can't help it, but I just love all the prophetic stuff. Not saying that I understand it all or see it all, but I definitely do LOVE it.
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I don't like the tone of the article but I couldn't find a better link:
Ok, I've been hearing this doomsday stuff about the Mayan calendar and it's prediction of the end of the world. Well, sometimes we just don't think of the obvious. Here is a little tidbit that may just relieve your mind a little.
The Earth orbits the sun every 365 and a quarter days. The calendar gains a day every four years.
In 45bc Caesar created the leap year so the ancient roman calendar would automatically correct itself as it does to this day.
The Mayan calendar did not take leap year into account so they were off buy several months.
Today, without these added extra days, would be around the beginning of August 2013.
The end of the world would have occurred in June of last year.
So take a breath, pay your taxes, maintain your 401K, open your Christmas savings account, and don't burn any bridges.
We can all have a good laugh at the foolish that went underground on December the 20th as they come sheepishly crawling out a few days later.
http://garyfcox.blogspot.com/2012/03/leap-year-and-mayan-calender.html
Basically, it talks about how the Mayan calendar didn't take into account leap years and thus, Dec. 21, 2012 would have already happened.
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Does anyone have the link to Sign #1
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Does anyone have the link to Sign #1
Here it is, hope it helps....
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg118#msg118
Blessings!
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I don't like the tone of the article but I couldn't find a better link:
Ok, I've been hearing this doomsday stuff about the Mayan calendar and it's prediction of the end of the world. Well, sometimes we just don't think of the obvious. Here is a little tidbit that may just relieve your mind a little.
The Earth orbits the sun every 365 and a quarter days. The calendar gains a day every four years.
In 45bc Caesar created the leap year so the ancient roman calendar would automatically correct itself as it does to this day.
The Mayan calendar did not take leap year into account so they were off buy several months.
Today, without these added extra days, would be around the beginning of August 2013.
The end of the world would have occurred in June of last year.
So take a breath, pay your taxes, maintain your 401K, open your Christmas savings account, and don't burn any bridges.
We can all have a good laugh at the foolish that went underground on December the 20th as they come sheepishly crawling out a few days later.
http://garyfcox.blogspot.com/2012/03/leap-year-and-mayan-calender.html
Basically, it talks about how the Mayan calendar didn't take into account leap years and thus, Dec. 21, 2012 would have already happened.
that's interesting.
oh boy. it looks like i'll be relying on you guys again for help on this. sorry guys
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I had a feeling that you will post these days.
OK I'm going to read it asap.
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party/ penguin/ bounce/ /woohoo/
Gonna go read!!!!
So glad you're here!
Thank you in advance for the time you spent on this TS and for investing into our lives once again!
God bless you!
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Thank you TS :) Today I will read that all. Have a nice day everyone! bounce/
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I thought the post will be 8 march ;D
again religious thread :D .so goodbye and see you next time!!!
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Thank you TS :) Today I will read that all. Have a nice day everyone! bounce/
Thank you Emulik. Have a nice day too! :)
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/overreacting/
But Revelation is especially for the end of time, and the end of the world is now very near. So God has allowed the truth on the seven divisions of Revelation to be clearly seen. The truth will prevail; not only on the furniture and festivals, and the divisions of Revelation, but also many other truths. Stay tuned for five more signs yet to come this year.
Stay tuned for 5 more signs yet to come this year? That's a good way to keep people hanging. Sorry, but I am beginning to believe again that this has nothing to do with Michael. I am happy for everyone who has shown excitement over this. suspicious//
Blessings
This is my strong feeling too. TS's exciting stories about the end of the world have nothing to do with our Michael. Well, maybe with another Michael - his.
I'll "keep watchin' " despite Souza's indication "if you don't like it, don't read it" just because this forum is suppose to be for and about Michael, and the link to the signs is here.
Just curious when and how his theory of TS' will end.
Why " has nothing to do with our Michael?" how many Michael do you know?
Michael Jackson IS the Archangel Michael the Ark -Angel !!so Ark refers to the ark of the covenant .
Michael Jackson is the second coming, the archangel Michael who embodies himself the arch of the covenant .
I don't say he is Jesus Christ cause he is not but he sure is like him christlike . do you remember when MJ failed to die on the bridge when he was singing " heart song" this is NOT a coincidence... they tried to KILL him but didn't succed becaue God always protected Michael
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Why " has nothing to do with our Michael?" how many Michael do you know?
Michael Jackson IS the Archangel Michael the Ark -Angel !!so Ark refers to the ark of the covenant .
Michael Jackson is the second coming, the archangel Michael who embodies himself the arch of the covenant .
I don't say he is Jesus Christ cause he is not but he sure is like him christlike . do you remember when MJ failed to die on the bridge when he was singing " heart song" this is NOT a coincidence... they tried to KILL him but didn't succed becaue God always protected Michael
I know one Michael: the human with a special talent at the service of positive messages.
Good choice for him! This is why I'll be his fan till the end.
As you see, other people know different Michael: the Archangel Michael, the Messiah Jesus - Michael, the alien Michael... and I'm anxiously waiting for someone with the God Michael version. Or maybe not.
So yes, there are plenty of Michaels, depending on the perception of each's level of... evolution.
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/overreacting/
But Revelation is especially for the end of time, and the end of the world is now very near. So God has allowed the truth on the seven divisions of Revelation to be clearly seen. The truth will prevail; not only on the furniture and festivals, and the divisions of Revelation, but also many other truths. Stay tuned for five more signs yet to come this year.
Stay tuned for 5 more signs yet to come this year? That's a good way to keep people hanging. Sorry, but I am beginning to believe again that this has nothing to do with Michael. I am happy for everyone who has shown excitement over this. suspicious//
Blessings
This is my strong feeling too. TS's exciting stories about the end of the world have nothing to do with our Michael. Well, maybe with another Michael - his.
I'll "keep watchin' " despite Souza's indication "if you don't like it, don't read it" just because this forum is suppose to be for and about Michael, and the link to the signs is here.
Just curious when and how his theory of TS' will end.
Why " has nothing to do with our Michael?" how many Michael do you know?
Michael Jackson IS the Archangel Michael the Ark -Angel !!so Ark refers to the ark of the covenant .
Michael Jackson is the second coming, the archangel Michael who embodies himself the arch of the covenant .
I don't say he is Jesus Christ cause he is not but he sure is like him christlike . do you remember when MJ failed to die on the bridge when he was singing " heart song" this is NOT a coincidence... they tried to KILL him but didn't succed becaue God always protected Michael
Hmm,i have been doing a lot of thinking lately about M.J. being the Archangel and i think it is highly probable.At the very least,he is a messenger from God.The end is near,but no one can predict a date.M.J is our voice and our direction,and things are about to get very dark,his role is to help lead us to the light.God is the answer.WW3 is fast approaching.not to mention an economic collapse.We have to keep the faith,M.J is our guidance,influenced by God,imo.
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I am pretty sure MJ is just human and will not be the 'second coming' because that would be Jesus. Michael may have a role in God's plan, but he's not divine. And archangel Michael is Jesus before he took a human form and name, so MJ is not him either. But I do believe he has an important part to play in the final battle.
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I do believe that God sent special human beings to earth to make them guide to humanity. And Michael is one of them. I do believe that he is protected by God because he is special and he has a very important mission. This mission is about the end of the world and he is the one who is trying to guide humanity how to fight the evil and save us and the planet. He is the leader, he is the V for Vendetta, he is the Ark of the Covenant, he is the Archangel Michael, he is Michael Joe Jackson. It doesn't matter if you think that he is Ark-Angel or not, it doesn't matter if you think that he is just human or not; he has a very important mission and he needs US in this battle. Are we going to be with him, this is what matters. My answer is YES, I will definitely be on Michael's side, no matter what it takes!
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I think that this, by Valmi Owens, fits perfectly here. Maybe it is time that we OCCUPY MICHAEL JACKSON. Giving due courtesy to the author of this piece, I have not copied and pasted it as requested by her.
http://thejamcafe-mjtpmagazine.com/issue/occupy-michael-jackson/article/occupy-michael-jackson (http://thejamcafe-mjtpmagazine.com/issue/occupy-michael-jackson/article/occupy-michael-jackson)
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I do believe that God sent special human beings to earth to make them guide to humanity. And Michael is one of them. I do believe that he is protected by God because he is special and he has a very important mission. This mission is about the end of the world and he is the one who is trying to guide humanity how to fight the evil and save us and the planet. He is the leader, he is the V for Vendetta, he is the Ark of the Covenant, he is the Archangel Michael, he is Michael Joe Jackson. It doesn't matter if you think that he is Ark-Angel or not, it doesn't matter if you think that he is just human or not; he has a very important mission and he needs US in this battle. Are we going to be with him, this is what matters. My answer is YES, I will definitely be on Michael's side, no matter what it takes!
Well said!
And Mimi248 and Ilovemjforever, beerchug
Back, Front, TS, and Michael have IMO, been clearly yet subtly saying he/they are the coming Messiah for years, in his lyrics, speech, posts, actions, and art. Since shortly after June 25,2009, I have felt the thunderous wave of realization of who he was, and I have never wavered in this. Plastic, white Jesus did not/does not exist--too many Sunday School paintings of what he may have looked like, or Hollywood productions of what he was like. He was black-skinned for starters. Indeed our Michael is dripping with humanity and the special uniqueness which caused so much revulsion and ridicule by the world (just like Jesus received), and that very thing is what cloaks or hides the angelic divinity within him. We all have aspects of divinity within us. Sign #1 and #2 have clearly shown Archangel Michael is the same as Jesus, and Back/Front have clearly stated our Michael is the same Archangel of the Bible. http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.msg299#msg299 (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.msg299#msg299)
TS is indeed speaking the heart and message of our Michael, from day one of his involvement in this hoax--the same message MJ has subtly been saying for most of his life--for eyes and ears tuned in spiritually. Most fans have only cared to know his pop icon image, and not his essence or mission which is where his heart is. It's just that the message is controversial, just as MJ stepping out in the Brit awards looking like Jesus. He takes off his clothes representing his usual appearance to the world, revealing who he really is. You could see the immediate reaction was one of horror at his so-called blasphemy. This is the same reception Jesus received. MJ has had to be very careful, and the world simply is not ready yet to receive this message. When they do, it will be explosive and like a world-wide tidal wave hitting. IMO this was much more than just art.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqIEU6RfUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqIEU6RfUo)
(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article737457.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Michael+Jackson+performing+Earth+Song+at+the+Brit+Awards+1996+surrounded+by+children)
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/mjbrit.jpg)
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I personally do not believe Michael is an Archangel or a Messiah. The archangels and angels were created by God at the beginning, before humanity existed. And according to my Islam belief, I do not believe a new prophet will come or return from the death to save humanity. BUT, as I wrote before, I do believe in special human beings with important missions and Michael is one of them.
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OMG GREAT POST !!! I'm totally on your side and i think in the same way ..This presentation was MUCH MORE than only art So much more ... He was revealing his TRUE identity to the whole world without no one able to understand what he was really saying . Michael IS the Archangel Michael, this is not a supposition whenever you call him angel or human being this is not the important, he IS the chosen one that's all .well you know somepeople say to me that i'm an illusionist person cause only Jesus christ will descend to sky haha this crack me up realy . they are telling me that i'm ILLUSIONIST when they are believing in a white messiah with long blond hair and blue eyes coming from the sky kind of " hello i'm coming for my church everything is all right now, did i miss you ?" .. I'm totally blew away . When I think of all cruauty, The 1 and 2 world war, the millions of people sent to death, when i think of ALL horrors comitted by humanity and they are still believing in this fantasist prophecy? i'm mean COME ON, please, its time to waik up now.. but yeaah if they intend this prophecy , blue beam project will make it for them like a hologram version of a fake white jesus came from the sky .. that's ignorance .
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I am pretty sure MJ is just human and will not be the 'second coming' because that would be Jesus. Michael may have a role in God's plan, but he's not divine. And archangel Michael is Jesus before he took a human form and name, so MJ is not him either. But I do believe he has an important part to play in the final battle.
ok i don't agree, anyway i respect but Jesus WON'T come from the sky . And Michael is divine... he is the most famous person in this planet EVERY one know his name and in bible it says when the second coming come every people will see him .. also everything in his life is related to god and a sort of divine numerology . like jesus he was crucified, died .. Well if he is not the second coming, tell me why Thriller s the most succesfull album of all time when the clip is clearly related to the end of time you know when Dead people will back from the death. okay then everything happened by coincidence and jesus will be back this year cause it' 2012 ( the END of time ) and the church taken away .. please you really believe that?
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O.K here is a very important question to ponder.How will we recognize Jesus when he returns.The bible says even some of the very elect will be deceived.None of us really know how God looks.Sure he has been painted as white and portrayed as white in movies,but how will we really know its him.I know for a fact that the Illuminati have plans to bring forth a false Messiah.I believe M.J is special,but would it be considered a trap if we believed that he was the second coming?Growing up in a holy christian church,we were taught that God would return,just as he left.A divine holy spirit,does M.J. fit that description?
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I have read through this. It is all very informative. However, I am trying to understand how all of this fits with Michael Jackson. Am I to take from this that he is physically dead but will come again in the last days of earth’s reign? I am not being funny in the least. I really and sincerely don’t get the correlation between the passages and Michael’s hoax. I will say what I believe, and that is that Michael Jackson was born with special gifts beyond his creative abilities and his study and dedication to instruction in the way of righteousness thoughout his life kept him close to God. I do believe that he is so spiritually fine tuned that he does receive instruction through his prayers and his channeling of the holy spirit. I do believe that he was born to do a certain work for the goodness of mankind ad that he knows well what that work is and did go about his way to do it. And I do believe that he knew, many, many years ago, that he would be persecuted because of it. If there’s anyone that I sincerely believe talks to God and listens to his instruction, Michael is that person. He is as close to what I have always believed an angelic being to be in the flesh. But he is not perfect, because he is still a man. So I am finding it difficult to relate the aforementioned to Michael, literally. I need some help with this. If someone, anyone would divulge me I would truly appreciate it. I am becoming more lost and in dire need of some guidance. I dont care who it is, just somebody.
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I think we must focus/concentrate on the mission and the goal which is to defeat evil - make this world a better place. Things will be clearer with time as always. We all have different beliefs but we can agree I think on something and this is that Michael has a role to play in all of this, whichever denomination we put behind it. We are here to help him in whatever way we can. My first priority is devotion to God alone, the rest will flow accordingly -- this is what I believe in.
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For me Michael is simply Michael..a man of extraordinary humanity, sensitivity and generosity.....a man unique, special and different from all...I do not mean the unique in the world who knows how to give love and talk of love in a natural way, but I can definitely say one of the few..... bearhug
Michael is this... a wonderful rare person...but always and only one person...but also in this there is its immense and wonderful uniqueness..... bearhug
L.O.V.E. you Mike
L.O.V.E. you all
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respect/ respect/
I think we must focus/concentrate on the mission and the goal which is to defeat evil - make this world a better place. Things will be clearer with time as always. We all have different beliefs but we can agree I think on something and this is that Michael has a role to play in all of this, whichever denomination we put behind it. We are here to help him in whatever way we can. My first priority is devotion to God alone, the rest will flow accordingly -- this is what I believe in.
Completely agree.Great post,i could not have said it better my self. respect/
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I still beLIEve
1. that Michael has created this hoax to be a METAPHOR... ALLEGORY.... SYMBOL
2. that he used the Bible as a "script" for it, like it is all a MOVIE as never before seen! so everything Bible related has to be found in a parallel meaning for the hoax
3. that his purpose, one of the many , is clearly to make us be more spiritual than ever, even those who don't believe in God! more spiritual: more aware of ourselves, of our inner self, our true power, pour beings, our consciousness, our souls, energy and higher powers in this universe!
4. that the 7 signs , even if apparently have no connection to Michael & the hoax, will make more sense after we read the 7th sign or maybe after Front/TS or Michael himself will give us the KEY to solve that mystery and see the true meaning of all these posts.
5. that maybe these posts that are presented to us, gradually, in small dosages , represent a preparation for something so big and powerful, that we need to receive it bit by bit, digested and "simmer" it, slowly, over a longer period of tIME !!
6. that the final , most important purpose of this whole hoax/Project could not be fully understood by any of us, if we were given the whole information at once! It would be either too shocking for us to believe or comprehend, either too large for us to seize every detail and assimilate it...
7. that the content of each of these 7 signs is made in such a way that our brains will understand it part now and part later! when we receive more "pieces of the puzzle"
8. that our brain works mysteriously through our subconsciousness and what we think we don't understand now, we will be amazed by our own selves later ... to discover how much we will be able to understand! if only we have faith in us, in Michael, in this whole thing and .... in the ideal case: also faith in GOD!
9. that we don't have to rely only on TS or front to help us understand this! Besides our own brains, we need also to trust and rely on each and everyone of us! We need to be aware of the power of our unity here and the purpose for which Michael brought us together here!! Think in term of: teamwork, brainstorming, unification, togetherness, collective consciousness, "we are all one".
10. that we can't do this by ourselves, we need one another! remember how many of this hoax mysteries were solved by only sharing our thoughts and debating and communicating! each contribute with a thought and all our thoughts direct us towards more TRUTH and understanding!
11. that if Michael is not Jesus or Ark-Angel Michael , then Michael is at least half-human, half-angel or someone who represents the closest "version" to Jesus ever! OR someone that God chose to help us change this world before it ENDS (either as a whole or only symbolically, as it is now)
12. that GOD chose to send his message in various ways over the ages of tIME !! He either sent Jesus, or apostles, or prophets, or disciples, or saints, or angels/archangels
OR artists, painters, sculptors or writers, or SINGERS (global entertainers like Elvis, like Michael!).... according to the age people lived in, GOD "adapted" HIS message, his teachings...to the people and their power of understanding .... This is how I see things...
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bearhug Love the way you laid that out SimPatty (not Slim, lol). And your # 12 I believe totally, that God sends his special gifts, his messengers to us to impart wisdom to us through the best and most widely understood and accepted medium for the times in which we are living. I agree 1000%. In Jesus’ times, he sent a carpenter, a builder. In our times, he sends a creative, humble, gentle genius. For their times, they were perfect.
Piece by piece. I’ll keep watching and in doing so the truth will unveil itself and I too will know.
Thank you.
Michael, I love you.
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I still beLIEve
1. that Michael has created this hoax to be a METAPHOR... ALLEGORY.... SYMBOL
2. that he used the Bible as a "script" for it, like it is all a MOVIE as never before seen! so everything Bible related has to be found in a parallel meaning for the hoax
3. that his purpose, one of the many , is clearly to make us be more spiritual than ever, even those who don't believe in God! more spiritual: more aware of ourselves, of our inner self, our true power, pour beings, our consciousness, our souls, energy and higher powers in this universe!
4. that the 7 signs , even if apparently have no connection to Michael & the hoax, will make more sense after we read the 7th sign or maybe after Front/TS or Michael himself will give us the KEY to solve that mystery and see the true meaning of all these posts.
5. that maybe these posts that are presented to us, gradually, in small dosages , represent a preparation for something so big and powerful, that we need to receive it bit by bit, digested and "simmer" it, slowly, over a longer period of tIME !!
6. that the final , most important purpose of this whole hoax/Project could not be fully understood by any of us, if we were given the whole information at once! It would be either too shocking for us to believe or comprehend, either too large for us to seize every detail and assimilate it...
7. that the content of each of these 7 signs is made in such a way that our brains will understand it part now and part later! when we receive more "pieces of the puzzle"
8. that our brain works mysteriously through our subconsciousness and what we think we don't understand now, we will be amazed by our own selves later ... to discover how much we will be able to understand! if only we have faith in us, in Michael, in this whole thing and .... in the ideal case: also faith in GOD!
9. that we don't have to rely only on TS or front to help us understand this! Besides our own brains, we need also to trust and rely on each and everyone of us! We need to be aware of the power of our unity here and the purpose for which Michael brought us together here!! Think in term of: teamwork, brainstorming, unification, togetherness, collective consciousness, "we are all one".
10. that we can't do this by ourselves, we need one another! remember how many of this hoax mysteries were solved by only sharing our thoughts and debating and communicating! each contribute with a thought and all our thoughts direct us towards more TRUTH and understanding!
11. that if Michael is not Jesus or Ark-Angel Michael , then Michael is at least half-human, half-angel or someone who represents the closest "version" to Jesus ever! OR someone that God chose to help us change this world before it ENDS (either as a whole or only symbolically, as it is now)
12. that GOD chose to send his message in various ways over the ages of tIME !! He either sent Jesus, or apostles, or prophets, or disciples, or saints, or angels/archangels
OR artists, painters, sculptors or writers, or SINGERS (global entertainers like Elvis, like Michael!).... according to the age people lived in, GOD "adapted" HIS message, his teachings...to the people and their power of understanding .... This is how I see things...
Brilliant post Sim.Brilliant.Brilliant.Brilliant.Totally agree with 12.
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No related to this, but I just want to dedicate to all of you this song....
just like a little relaxing break from all our thoughts here :)
http://www.youtube.ug/watch?v=s6k6kkvQbEo
ps: @ilovemjforever & hesouttamylife bearhug bearhug
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No related to this, but I just want to dedicate to all of you this song....
just like a little relaxing break from all our thoughts here :)
http://www.youtube.ug/watch?v=s6k6kkvQbEo
ps: @ilovemjforever & hesouttamylife bearhug bearhug
Thanks for the lovely Elvis tune,and right back at you sister bearhug.
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I personally do not believe Michael is an Archangel or a Messiah. The archangels and angels were created by God at the beginning, before humanity existed. And according to my Islam belief, I do not believe a new prophet will come to save humanity. BUT, as I wrote before, I do believe in special human beings with important missions and Michael is one of them.
That's my thought too.
MJ is/was an entertainer who consistently sent the same message. He used his art to communicate to the masses the importance of respecting our planet, caring for our children and for each other, and his last message in TII ‘all for love’ and ‘we’ve got 4yrs to get it right’. Through his art, dance and songs he’s a messenger. When watching MJ perform on stage I always felt part of it, he had the gift of connecting with the audience.
So is TS comparison building up to his return? I’m still not sure I believe he’s coming back, but I’ve had a feeling or maybe more like wishful thinking something interesting is going to happen around May or Mothers day.
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Merci TS bearhug
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I agree with what you are saying Sarahli, MJonMind, SimPattyK, and others. Most of us agree that MJ is a messenger or working with God and working to make the world a better place. We don't necessarily have to worry about what to call it. Just like Krishna and Jesus were holding hands in the picture, working together. We all have to unite.
Sim, I liked your post also. Especially what you said about God sending different prophets,angels,archangels,saints,artists,sculptors etc. at different times according to the age people lived in. ;) 8-)
Love You All
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No related to this, but I just want to dedicate to all of you this song....
just like a little relaxing break from all our thoughts here :)
http://www.youtube.ug/watch?v=s6k6kkvQbEo
ps: @ilovemjforever & hesouttamylife bearhug bearhug
Thanks for the lovely Elvis tune,and right back at you sister bearhug.
loved that. Thank you.
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Well here's what I believe about religion. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNT8SMlqLJA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNT8SMlqLJA)
Just kidding! Although the lyrics have a message.
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I think we have everything within each one of us - it's nothing to do with God or whoever else you might have faith in. We need to have faith in ourselves, to dig deep and begin to discover our own true, mindblowing potential and understanding, that has been supressed, in most, from early childhood and on through life's experiences, through our relationships, even (maybe especially) through what we put in our bodies, till we no longer recognise it as being there and use 'God' as a way to find the peace we seek within ourselves. But it's still there, waiting to be found and lived.
MJ is a man, a human being, who has been able, it would seem, to discover his true self, his soul if you like. He may attribute this to God, but I believe it's all down to him, not Him! We could all have his positive characteristics - and we don't need God to do it!
Please do not read this as an attack on those who believe in God - it's far from it, as you will understand if you have followed what I'm trying to say!
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I do believe that God sent special human beings to earth to make them guide to humanity. And Michael is one of them. I do believe that he is protected by God because he is special and he has a very important mission. This mission is about the end of the world and he is the one who is trying to guide humanity how to fight the evil and save us and the planet. He is the leader, he is the V for Vendetta, he is the Ark of the Covenant, he is the Archangel Michael, he is Michael Joe Jackson. It doesn't matter if you think that he is Ark-Angel or not, it doesn't matter if you think that he is just human or not; he has a very important mission and he needs US in this battle. Are we going to be with him, this is what matters. My answer is YES, I will definitely be on Michael's side, no matter what it takes!
Perfect words, agree with you 100%! and yes, WE WILL BE THERE to support HIM! :)
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I've begun to look deeper into the 2nd Sign...trying to gain a better understanding of what it all means. I've never read the entire book of Revelation, only parts of it....but have read many interpretations of it which just confuse me even more lol. But I'm trying to understand.
The sanctuary....and all the symbolism of the furniture is really interesting to me...as is the whole book of Revelation. I like how TS broke down the 'type' and 'antitype' meanings of it all...it helps me to better understand the 'double' meaning of things as they are spoken of in the past, present and future in Revelation. More importantly, it helps me to understand how it relates to us on a personal level....in order for me to fully grasp something, I need to relate to it in some way...and I do believe that all that TS has shown us (re: the sanctuary and the furniture) DO relate to each of us in the present and future....and is proven by showing the past.
One of the first things I've come across in researching the 2nd Sign is a webpage called 'Journey Through the Sanctuary'. It is one person's interpretation of the sanctuary...written as an allegory, in an attempt to show how the doctrine affects us in a personal way (which is what I started my google search with lol....i.e. how does it affect me, what does it mean/symbolize to/for me?). Again, I don't know enough about Revelation or the sanctuary to be able to determine the 'accuracy' of this allegory....but wanted to share it because it brought me a different perspective, as well as a sense of peace and comfort.
Journey Through the Sanctuary
by Ulrike
Today I would like to take a different approach as I talk about the sanctuary. I want to take you on a journey through it. To me it's like a treasure map to the greatest treasure anyone can ever find.
Once I was visiting in a church. The lesson was on the sanctuary and during the discussion the question arose; "when we study with non-Adventists, when should we introduce the sanctuary doctrine?" Someone quickly answered, "That should be left until the very last, tell them about Christ first and the cross and other basics, then, after they are committed, tell them about the sanctuary." Someone else said, "Yes, the sanctuary just scares them away."
I was saddened. No wonder there is so much animosity against the sanctuary. Is this really what Adventists think of the most beautiful, Christ centered teaching we have? Don't they realize that it is the sanctuary that takes all the different aspects of salvation and blends them together in a harmonious whole, with everything centered on Christ?
So today I'd like to take you on a personal journey through the sanctuary. As we travel, please remember this is an allegory, not a theological exposition. What I want to share is how this doctrine affects us in a very personal way. So let's begin the journey.
As we approach the sanctuary, the first thing we see is a white linen fence all around the sanctuary. White linen is symbolic of righteousness. The contrast between the goodness of the sanctuary and the evil of sin all around us is instantly seared into our conscience. Inside is righteousness, outside we have no righteousness, for "we are all as an unclean thing and all our righteousness is as filthy rags. (Is 64:6) As we stand outside that pure white fence in our filthy condition, our hearts sink, it seems hopeless, there is no way we can ever measure up, the way seems closed.
But a voice is calling us, "I am the door: by Me if anyone enters in, he shall be saved." We look in the direction of the voice and see the gate. It is open. At the gate, Jesus is standing, His arms outstretched, calling to us. Now we have a decision to make. Do we want to stay outside in our sins, or do we want to answer that call. As long as we stay outside that door, we are "without Christ, having no hope, and without God in the world." (Eph. 2:12).
We decide to respond. We approach the gate and open our hearts and minds to Jesus. He welcomes us with open arms, yet as we look at Him, our own sinfulness becomes even more apparent and we exclaim, "O wretched person that I am, who shall deliver me from this body of death? (Romans 7:24) Gently Jesus leads us to the first station in the court yard of the sanctuary. Here we see a large brazen alter on which sacrifices are offered. Beside the alter stands an innocent little lamb. We hear the words, "Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sins of the world." Suddenly we realize this isn't just a lamb, this is Jesus Himself, our Creator, our God, standing there. He is the sacrifice. "Come," Jesus calls, "Place your hands upon my head and confess your sins." Trembling we place our hands on the head of Him who has never cherished an evil thought, and confess all our dark imaginings, we look in the face that has only love and goodness, and confess all our hate and evil. We acknowledge specific sins and shortcomings, knowing that He has never sinned. And as our attention is drawn to the cross to see what our sins did to Jesus, something happens inside. All our pride and selfishness is stripped bare, and we ask, "What is sin, that it should require such a sacrifice?" Suddenly the horror of sin is revealed to us. Those little sins that we thought we had a right to hang on to don't look so innocent anymore, and we experience what is know as repentance. Repentance includes sorrow for sin and a turning away from it. True repentance does not happen outside the gate. We may experience regret for the consequences of sin while outside, we may even change our lifestyle, but only as we contemplate the cross in the presence of Jesus can we experience true repentance, which is so necessary to the Christian life. As we see what our sins did to Jesus and how He took our punishment because He loved us, we will begin to gate our sinfulness and long for Christ's righteousness. Gladly we surrender all our cherished idols--everything that stands between us and Christ we place on the alter and even more, we give ourselves to Jesus by the mercies of God, we present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy , acceptable unto God. (Romans 12:2)
At the alter we are forgiven, the penalty of our sins was paid by the Lamb of God. We experience peace that we never thought possible before. Yet our journey has only begun. Jesus lovingly guides us to the next station. Now we see a huge bowl of water, called the laver. Here the priests washed their hands and feet before entering the Holy Place. So we too, before we enter the sanctuary, will be washed. Baptism is a symbol of this cleansing. Baptism means dying to the old way of life and being reborn in Christ. At the laver, we give up self rule and self righteousness, we choose Jesus as King and Lord of our lives. This cleansing was made possible by Christ's death, and He is anxious to take our sin stained garments and cloth us with the white robes of His righteousness. This spotless robe of righteousness doesn't cover our sins, it takes the place of the old filthy garments. Now we are clean, we are holy, through the agencies of "blood and water" we are forgiven and cleansed.
So far our journey has been only in the outer court of the ancient sanctuary. In the heavenly sanctuary there is no outer court. The alter and the laver meet their fulfilment on earth, in the cross. It was on earth that Christ died for all and became the living laver, "a fountain opened for sin and for uncleanness." (Zech. 13:1)
The outer court activities were a daily occurrence, likewise we also need a daily experience. Jesus said, "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross DAILY, and follow me." (Luke 9:23) And Paul states, "I die daily." (1 Cor. 15:31) "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live: yet not I, but Christ lives in me." (Gal. 2:20) Of course this does not mean daily baptism. It means daily commitment.
Now we are ready to enter the sanctuary itself. As we go into the Holy Place we are introduced to the key elements of living a Christian life. We see the table of shewbread, which symbolizes Jesus the Bread of Life. We see the golden candle stick, which symbolizes, Jesus the light of the world. We see the altar of incense, which symbolized Jesus intercessory prayers.
Everywhere we see Jesus. For being in God's sanctuary means abiding with Jesus. There is no other way to live the Christian life. "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me" (John 15:4) The three articles of furniture in this apartment symbolize the essential elements in this abiding, sanctifying experience.
We go to the table of shewbread, here we spend time with Jesus studying His Word. "Sanctify them through Thy truth, Thy Word is truth." (John 17:17) If we want victories over sin, if we want Christ's power and strength, we must feed daily from the Word — the Bible. We need to fill our minds and thoughts with the words of God. The more we study and think about heavenly themes, the more our faith and love for Christ will grow, and the more our lives will reflect His character.
Notice something special about the shewbread, every Sabbath the bread was replaced with new loaves. This depicts the Sabbath experence, for though we feed upon the bread all week, on Sabbath we gain a fresh new supply as we spend the day with our Lord in a special way. Interestingly the manna did not fall on Sabbath, but the shewbread was renewed each Sabbath. This stresses that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from God. Upon the Sabbath the focus is not on physical bread, on Sabbath we seek a fresh, new supply of spiritual bread from our Lord and Savior in His Holy Word.
From the table of shewbread we move to the altar of incense. The altar of prayer. Prayer is described by one author as a key that unlocks heavens storehouse, where are treasured the boundless resources of Omnipotence. We need to use this key regularly in order to live the Christian life. During prayer we are to open our hearts to God as to a friend. When we pray we are in conversation with God Himself, we are drawn into a close, intimate relationship with Him.
In the earthly sanctuary it was the priest who offered the incense upon this altar and so it is no — Jesus takes our imperfect prayers and mixes them with His merits and presents them to God as sweet smelling incense.
Now there is one more step in the Holy Place. One more important aspect in the journey of sanctification. As we move toward this station we are surrounded by beautiful light. Our whole life begins to shine from the light of this candlestick. Before us stands the seven branched candlestick, each branch has a beautifully designed bowl at the top which contains olive oil. This candlestick represents Christ, "the Light of the World". The oil is the Holy Spirit, the source of power.
The purpose of the candlestick is to give light, so it should be our purpose as Christ's followers to let our light shine in this world of moral and spiritual darkness. Jesus said, "You are the light of the world . . . Let your light so shine before that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven (Matt. 5:14,15) We are Christ's lights on this earth. As we spend time in the Holy Place with Jesus, our lives and characters will be changed and we will reflect the light shining on us from Christ. You know, we tend to get so hung up on this work/faith thing. If we would just follow the map it would be so clear. If we place works at the beginning of the journey, before we go through any of the stations, works is totally useless, any works are only an outward act that has no bearing whatsoever on our salvation. If we place works with the brazen altar or the laver, it makes works a means of gaining salvation and we can never earn our salvation. It is only after we have surrendered our hearts and lives to Christ, been forgiven and cleansed, and begun our walk with Christ in the Holy Place, that works come into the picture. As we dwell with Christ, we are filled with the thoughts of God and the purposes of God. We long to bring glory to God. Now our works are motivated by our desire to honor God and to give people around us the right concept of God. Our works show whether we are abiding in Christ or whether we are walking on our own.
It is so easy to start walking on our own again. We know Satan's strategies well enough. He tries to pull us out of the sanctuary. Get us too busy too pray, too busy to study God's word. He tries to engross our minds with anything as long as it keeps us out of God's sanctuary. And before we know what has happened, our light has dimmed, we find ourselves back in sinful patterns of living. We may still be trying to keep up the appearances or "form of godliness", but now works are merely legalistic acts, not light shining from Christ's golden candlestick through our lives. We find ourselves out of God's sanctuary, not because God threw us out for misbehavior, but because we neglected to abide in Christ. We chose not to live in the Holy Place when we chose not to pray, not to study. What do we do now? There's only one thing. Start at the beginning of the journey once more. Come to Christ just as you are, confess, and repent at the altar of sacrifice, seek cleansing, claim once again Christ's spotless robe as you surrender your own robes of self-righteousness and sin. Then walk with Jesus in the Holy Place once again. He will restore His peace and assurance of salvation to you and your life will once again shine for Him.
Now we come to the last part of the journey. "The Most Holy" Here is where we face the holy law of God. Here it is determined if we can live in God's Holy Presence. As we approach, the glory, purity and holiness in this room is overwhelming. Sin in this room is like flammable material and cannot endure. At first we think we cannot enter and live. For Hebrews 12.29 says, "Our God is a consuming fire." Anyone who dares enter in their sin laden condition will be consumed.
But Jesus takes us by the hand and says,"Come, you are clothed with my righteousness, all your sins are confessed and covered with my blood, you have chosen to be my follower, we have walked together enjoying each other's fellowship, now I want to legally instate you as my brother — my sister — now you will receive your legal title to heaven.
As God looks at us, He doesn't see filthy rags of self righteousness and sin — they have been forsaken and burned at the altar of sacrifice, He doesn't see our sins — they have been confessed and covered with Christ's blood, He doesn't see our shame for we have been washed and covered with Christ's spotless robe of righteousness, He doesn't see a rebellious heart, that has been replaced by a new heart, eager to do God's will.
Christ then pronounces the verdict: "You have walked with me through the sanctuary, now you will be granted the privilege of walking with Me throughout eternity.(Rev. 14:4 para.) "Your name is written in the book of Life. (Rev. 3:5) Come, ye blessed, enter the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (Matt. 25:35)
The above journey is all BY FAITH. Some have mocked us asking if we "literally" walk through the heavenly sanctuary-- NO it's by faith in Christ, BUT THE NEXT EVENT is totally literal, for Jesus will literally come and literally take us home to a literal heaven, and we will be with HIM forever!
Dear friends, the above is an allegory of what the sanctuary means to me. For me it's not enough to talk about the subject only in theological terms, I need to know how it applies to my daily walk with God. In my studies I have found the sanctuary to be rich in symbolism which helps me understand better what Christ wants to do in my life. As I study the symbolism, the purposes of Christ in saving humanity from their sin — not in their sin -- comes clear. The investigative judgment is part of the whole picture. This study was not meant to be an exposition of how Levitical ceremonies match with the book of Hebrews etc. It is a personal study of the symbolism of the sanctuary as it relates to the personal life.
http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/journey.html (http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/journey.html)
Another site I'm currently looking at (but too soon to comment on)...is one that also divides the book of Revelation into 7 divisions. I think they are dividing it differently than TS has...but they, too, see it as a division of 7. For anyone interested, here's the link to that (some interesting stuff presented) http://www.thefinalword.co.za/The_Final_Word/Protocol.htm (http://www.thefinalword.co.za/The_Final_Word/Protocol.htm).
@Sim...LOVED your post with the breakdown of what you still believe! /bravo/
Happy researching everyone!
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I'm just wondering if any of my JW sisters are still here. I'm rarely here and with the hoax revolving in researching Michael being the archangel, our initial investigating of the hoax, for me has vanished into a bible study group. GREAT for the rest of you, and I DO realize there is more to the site than that..but it does revolve around TS posts. I still pop in and out..but have begun to lose interest. NOT in Michael and the hoax, but I need to either wait this all out, or find a place that is back to more of the basics and not ...well, you know.
LOVE to you all, I'm not leaving, just need something else from all of this...
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Considering there was zero (0) interaction or feedback with/from TS following Sign #1, it looks to me like the Signs are less for instruction and more for simple exploration.
Like an extracurricular activity of sorts?
As in, what I'm gathering from this is there's no key point or fact or premise we are to gain by reading the Signs, rather it's just important that we experience this portion, no matter how passively. The knowledge is in the journey rather then to be gained at the destination.
TS, of course, feel free to correct me if that is not the case.
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http://thejamcafe-mjtpmagazine.com/issue/occupy-michael-jackson/article/worshiping-michael-jackson (http://thejamcafe-mjtpmagazine.com/issue/occupy-michael-jackson/article/worshiping-michael-jackson)
I loved this article by Linda Higgins along with her quote at the start......It's not about deifying him. It's about loving him.....unconditionally.
and we do Michael.
She goes on to say that if even a fraction of the people whose lives he touched would unite and live from that vision of love, we could be that 11% that transform the world.
Sound like an Army of LOVE to me. :-*
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Part of the Sign#2 post reminds me of a thread I had started back in January, after stumbling upon some videos on youtube, about strange sounds being heard coming from the sky. (This thread - http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22019.msg385308#msg385308 - you can hear the noises best in the first video)
Here's the part of TS's latest post those noises remind me of:
7. Incense Altar = Trumpets
Type:
Numbers 10:10, “… in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets …[/u]” (see Psalm 81:3,4).
Leviticus 23:24, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.” (see Numbers 29:1).
Antitype:
Revelation 8:2,3, “And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar … the golden altar which was before the throne.” (see 9:13).
Furniture:
The golden altar is the altar of incense; and it is precisely this article of furniture, which Revelation parallels with the antitypical trumpets. Trumpets were used in Bible times to make an important announcement, often a warning or an alarm. The Feast of Trumpets in the type was an announcement that Yom Kippur was just a few days away; the antitypical trumpets also announce and warn of the approaching day of God.
Joel 2:1, “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;” (see Numbers 10:9; Isaiah 58:1).
I don't know if there is a connection here, or if I'm making it too basic or far-reaching. The sounds were reported in January, "the beginning of your months" (whether the beginning of your months has anything to do with January I don't know, and I know Yom Kippur isn't close to January). Even the first video in the thread I posted above, the youtube description says "The trumpets have gone viral". I still don't know what to think of those noises and a proper explanation was never offered, in my opinion. One of my thoughts was a worldwide sound check for Project Blue Beam, which I still won't rule out. Who knows, it could be nothing, just some Earth noises. Or...maybe it could be something bigger (and I'm not talking aliens here).
TS, I appreciate the work and effort you've put into offering us truth and the proof of this truth is right out of the Bible, it's hard to argue. What I'm wondering is WHY US (since the info in both Signs had never been published before) and what are we to do with this knowledge? Army of LOVE? Don't get me wrong, I love and value these teachings and I have faith in God and Michael. Ah, I dunno, maybe I have to wait for the other signs to get a better understanding.
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I need help, ..or read more :P
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BTC, your article written by a SDA mentions the Investigative Judgement (last paragraph) which is a core belief of theirs. It is an Ellen White teaching that came after, when in 1844 their expected rapture did not happen, and so this was then taught as happening in the heavens—God examining each “believing” person’s worthiness, starting with the dead from the beginning of Genesis and then the living. Afterwards would be the judgement of the “nonbelieving”.
LilWendy, maybe you could give us some better understanding of this teaching, if I have it wrong? Sorry this site is from a critical perspective.
http://truthorfables.com/investigative_judgment_made_simple.htm (http://truthorfables.com/investigative_judgment_made_simple.htm)
RK,
http://thejamcafe-mjtpmagazine.com/issue/occupy-michael-jackson/article/worshiping-michael-jackson (http://thejamcafe-mjtpmagazine.com/issue/occupy-michael-jackson/article/worshiping-michael-jackson)
I said that Michael Jackson has the power to create a critical mass of people who could transform the world. That comment was in response to something I read in Marianne Williamson’s book, A Return to Love. She wrote, “When love reaches a critical mass, when enough people become miracle-minded, the world will experience a radical shift.”
I believe this is going to be like the snow-ball effect. Starting small but growing over this year and next. Or perhaps like V's domino effect.
Andrea, good point about the strange sounds around the world starting in January, the same month as TS’s posts about the first of 7 signs. You just never know. smiley_spider
About TS's #1 and #2 signs, and their relationship to MJ's hoax and purpose, I really believe this is happening now here and soon all over the world. I have complete faith in Michael's authenticity, regardless of his disguises-- bodily and in user-names. I believe we have been chosen as first receivers, and should not take this privilege lightly. Because of Souza's heart being in the right place. BIG thank you Souza! If it was in the future proven 100% that TS was indeed Michael, think how many would be kicking themselves that they threw these supposedly non-hoax parts away as garbage. :cry: I simply don't understand this reluctance to receive what he has to say--again I think there's a veil--it's not yet time.
“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized --In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident (http://thinkexist.com/quotation/every_truth_passes_through_three_stages_before_it/159319.html)”
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BTC, your article written by a SDA mentions the Investigative Judgement (last paragraph) which is a core belief of theirs. It is an Ellen White teaching that came after, when in 1844 their expected rapture did not happen, and so this was then taught as happening in the heavens—God examining each “believing” person’s worthiness, starting with the dead from the beginning of Genesis and then the living. Afterwards would be the judgement of the “nonbelieving”.
LilWendy, maybe you could give us some better understanding of this teaching, if I have it wrong? Sorry this site is from a critical perspective.
http://truthorfables.com/investigative_judgment_made_simple.htm (http://truthorfables.com/investigative_judgment_made_simple.htm)
@MJonmind...The fact that the article was written by a SDA didn't even phase me at all...the message(s) I got from it extended beyond the 'messenger'. But, like you, I'm also interested in learning about different beliefs....even if just as 'side notes'. So, I'm also hoping that LilWendy can shed some light on that as well. I know very little about SDA teachings...and even less about the Investigative Judgement. I know about the supposed 'final judgement'...where God will judge the living and the dead. Is the Investigative Judgement the same thing?
If so, then how does this part of the article factor in?
Now we come to the last part of the journey. "The Most Holy" Here is where we face the holy law of God. Here it is determined if we can live in God's Holy Presence. As we approach, the glory, purity and holiness in this room is overwhelming. Sin in this room is like flammable material and cannot endure. At first we think we cannot enter and live. For Hebrews 12.29 says, "Our God is a consuming fire." Anyone who dares enter in their sin laden condition will be consumed.
But Jesus takes us by the hand and says,"Come, you are clothed with my righteousness, all your sins are confessed and covered with my blood, you have chosen to be my follower, we have walked together enjoying each other's fellowship, now I want to legally instate you as my brother — my sister — now you will receive your legal title to heaven.
As God looks at us, He doesn't see filthy rags of self righteousness and sin — they have been forsaken and burned at the altar of sacrifice, He doesn't see our sins — they have been confessed and covered with Christ's blood, He doesn't see our shame for we have been washed and covered with Christ's spotless robe of righteousness, He doesn't see a rebellious heart, that has been replaced by a new heart, eager to do God's will.
Christ then pronounces the verdict: "You have walked with me through the sanctuary, now you will be granted the privilege of walking with Me throughout eternity.(Rev. 14:4 para.) "Your name is written in the book of Life. (Rev. 3:5) Come, ye blessed, enter the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (Matt. 25:35)
@LilWendy...thanks in advance for any insight you can provide us.
About TS's #1 and #2 signs, and their relationship to MJ's hoax and purpose, I really believe this is happening now here and soon all over the world. I have complete faith in Michael's authenticity, regardless of his disguises-- bodily and in user-names. I believe we have been chosen as first receivers, and should not take this privilege lightly. Because of Souza's heart being in the right place. BIG thank you Souza! If it was in the future proven 100% that TS was indeed Michael, think how many would be kicking themselves that they threw these supposedly non-hoax parts away as garbage. :cry: I simply don't understand this reluctance to receive what he has to say--again I think there's a veil--it's not yet time.
I agree 100% on everything you wrote ^^^...IMO, everyone should remain open to everything we're presented with cause with Mike, you just never know. That doesn't mean we should just believe it all and not question anything...far from it (and TS has always told us to NOT just take his word as truth); but it does mean that we shouldn't simply dismiss something just because some 'dots' aren't yet fully visible.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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If it was in the future proven 100% that TS was indeed Michael, think how many would be kicking themselves that they threw these supposedly non-hoax parts away as garbage. :cry: I simply don't understand this reluctance to receive what he has to say--again I think there's a veil--it's not yet time.
I agree 100% on everything you wrote ^^^...IMO, everyone should remain open to everything we're presented with cause with Mike, you just never know. That doesn't mean we should just believe it all and not question anything...far from it (and TS has always told us to NOT just take his word as truth); but it does mean that we shouldn't simply dismiss something just because some 'dots' aren't yet fully visible.
With L.O.V.E. always.
And that means being open to opposing views to our own, to ideas that don't immediately sit comfortably with us - and that also means not accepting something just because it might be coming from Michael Jackson!
In other words, keep watchin'!
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@TS/Michael, I really want to share with you what I believe about the end of the world. This is based on the Qur’an and upon recommendation from a friend I love very much ;), I thought that it would nice to post this information. People can see it as another theory of the EOW if they do not believe in the Qur'an and in what the numbers reveal.
As in the Bible, God tells us in the Qur’an that the world will end one day:
14:48
"The day will come when this earth will be substituted with a new earth, and also the heavens, and everyone will be brought before God, the One, the Supreme."
In Sura 20 verse 15 God is most precise about the EOW, He tells us that He will keep it ALMOST hidden:
20:15
"The Hour (end of the world) is surely coming; I will keep it almost hidden, for each soul must be paid for its works."
This means that God is the Knower of the EOW but that He reveals it at a certain time, it is not supposed to be kept totally secret. This also points to the Signs of the end – each one of them informing us that the end is near. Which can also be considered as keeping the Hour almost hidden.
Then there is a very important verse pointing to an important structure of the Qur’an:
15:87 "We have given you the seven pairs, and the great Quran."
The 7 pairs are the 14 initials (letters) found at the beginning of several suras and their total gematrical value equals 1709 and this number pinpoints to the end of the world.
Quranic Initial + Gematrical Value:
1. Q = 100
2. N = 50
3. S = 90
4. H.M. = 48
5. Y.S. = 70
6. T.H. = 14
7. T.S. = 69
8. A.L.M. = 71
9. A.L.R. = 231
10. T.S.M. = 109
11. `A.S.Q. = 230
12. A.L.M.S. = 161
13. A.L.M.R. = 271
14. K.H.Y.`A.S. = 195
Total = 1709 So the world is meant to survive until 1709 (lunar year) which correspond to 2280. So we still have 2280-2012=268 years ahead.
I could end it here^^ but here's a bit more information:
Sura 15 verse 87 is the one where the 7 pairs are mentioned and what makes these initials relevant to them pointing to the EOW are the verses before:
15:85
We did not create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, except for a specific purpose. The end of the world will come, so treat them with benign neglect.
15:86
Your Lord is the Creator, the Omniscient.
15:87
We have given you the seven pairs, and the great Quran.
These verses following each other aren't a coincidence and this arrangement tells a specific truth. We understand that God has created the Earth and the Heavens, He is the Creator of all and Him knows when it will end (Omniscient), then He tells us that He gave us the seven pairs and this in relation to the EOW in the context of these verses (these initials have another purpose as well).
Something else confirms that this (1709) is about a lunar year specifically:
The discovery of this information happened in 1400 AH (1980) and: 1709 (initials' gematrical value also a lunar year) -1400 = 309 and 309 corresponds to lunar years.
Also, the peculiar way of writing 309 is found in sura 18 verse 25, "Three hundred years, increased by nine", which indicates that the 309 are lunar years:
18:25 "They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine."
God mentioned this number in this fashion for a specific reason. The difference between 300 solar years and 300 lunar years is 9 years. Again, the year of this discovery, 1400 AH, coincided with 1980 AD, and 1980 plus 300 solar years is 2280 (year of the End).
One last thing. God of all the suras chose the sura 20 verse 15 to tell us that He will keep the knowledge of the end almost hidden and the number 2015 is a composite number which index is 1709.
Now what about the end you are talking about you will tell me? Well I believe it has an important signification too.
respect/
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Sarahli, is this a mainline Muslim teaching/belief, or a certain off-shoot Muslim group, or just you and your friend? Unfamiliar territory for me. :)
Considering there was zero (0) interaction or feedback with/from TS following Sign #1, it looks to me like the Signs are less for instruction and more for simple exploration.
Like an extracurricular activity of sorts?
As in, what I'm gathering from this is there's no key point or fact or premise we are to gain by reading the Signs, rather it's just important that we experience this portion, no matter how passively. The knowledge is in the journey rather then to be gained at the destination.
TS, of course, feel free to correct me if that is not the case.
TS, maybe you'd consider some Sign #1, #2 levels as sub-categories? suspicious// Sorta like:
(http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy245/PhotoPlusSerif/Ambulance/PatternClose-up.jpg)
(http://www.daily-manna.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tabernacle.jpg)
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MJonmind, no this is not a main line in traditional muslim teachings. This is something that isn't considered in most of the muslim/islamic world. A minority of people actually believe in this.
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MJonmind, no this is not a main line in traditional muslim teachings. This is something that isn't considered in most of the muslim/islamic world. A minority of people actually believe in this.
Thanks!
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I do believe that God sent special human beings to earth to make them guide to humanity. And Michael is one of them. I do believe that he is protected by God because he is special and he has a very important mission. This mission is about the end of the world and he is the one who is trying to guide humanity how to fight the evil and save us and the planet. He is the leader, he is the V for Vendetta, he is the Ark of the Covenant, he is the Archangel Michael, he is Michael Joe Jackson. It doesn't matter if you think that he is Ark-Angel or not, it doesn't matter if you think that he is just human or not; he has a very important mission and he needs US in this battle. Are we going to be with him, this is what matters. My answer is YES, I will definitely be on Michael's side, no matter what it takes!
Perfect words, agree with you 100%! and yes, WE WILL BE THERE to support HIM! :)
Also I'm with you....GREAT !! ::P typing/ moonwalk_/
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I also agree with what you said PureLove.
I'll be there on Michael's side with you !! 8-)
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@TS/Michael, I really want to share with you what I believe about the end of the world. This is based on the Qur’an and upon recommendation from a friend I love very much ;), I thought that it would nice to post this information. People can see it as another theory of the EOW if they do not believe in the Qur'an and in what the numbers reveal.
As in the Bible, God tells us in the Qur’an that the world will end one day:
14:48
"The day will come when this earth will be substituted with a new earth, and also the heavens, and everyone will be brought before God, the One, the Supreme."
In Sura 20 verse 15 God is most precise about the EOW, He tells us that He will keep it ALMOST hidden:
20:15
"The Hour (end of the world) is surely coming; I will keep it almost hidden, for each soul must be paid for its works."
This means that God is the Knower of the EOW but that He reveals it at a certain time, it is not supposed to be kept totally secret. This also points to the Signs of the end – each one of them informing us that the end is near. Which can also be considered as keeping the Hour almost hidden.
Then there is a very important verse pointing to an important structure of the Qur’an:
15:87 "We have given you the seven pairs, and the great Quran."
The 7 pairs are the 14 initials (letters) found at the beginning of several suras and their total gematrical value equals 1709 and this number pinpoints to the end of the world.
Quranic Initial + Gematrical Value:
1. Q = 100
2. N = 50
3. S = 90
4. H.M. = 48
5. Y.S. = 70
6. T.H. = 14
7. T.S. = 69
8. A.L.M. = 71
9. A.L.R. = 231
10. T.S.M. = 109
11. `A.S.Q. = 230
12. A.L.M.S. = 161
13. A.L.M.R. = 271
14. K.H.Y.`A.S. = 195
Total = 1709 So the world is meant to survive until 1709 (lunar year) which correspond to 2280. So we still have 2280-2012=268 years ahead.
I could end it here^^ but here's a bit more information:
Sura 15 verse 87 is the one where the 7 pairs are mentioned and what makes these initials relevant to them pointing to the EOW are the verses before:
15:85
We did not create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, except for a specific purpose. The end of the world will come, so treat them with benign neglect.
15:86
Your Lord is the Creator, the Omniscient.
15:87
We have given you the seven pairs, and the great Quran.
These verses following each other aren't a coincidence and this arrangement tells a specific truth. We understand that God has created the Earth and the Heavens, He is the Creator of all and Him knows when it will end (Omniscient), then He tells us that He gave us the seven pairs and this in relation to the EOW in the context of these verses (these initials have another purpose as well).
Something else confirms that this (1709) is about a lunar year specifically:
The discovery of this information happened in 1400 AH (1980) and: 1709 (initials' gematrical value also a lunar year) -1400 = 309 and 309 corresponds to lunar years.
Also, the peculiar way of writing 309 is found in sura 18 verse 25, "Three hundred years, increased by nine", which indicates that the 309 are lunar years:
18:25 "They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine."
God mentioned this number in this fashion for a specific reason. The difference between 300 solar years and 300 lunar years is 9 years. Again, the year of this discovery, 1400 AH, coincided with 1980 AD, and 1980 plus 300 solar years is 2280 (year of the End).
One last thing. God of all the suras chose the sura 20 verse 15 to tell us that He will keep the knowledge of the end almost hidden and the number 2015 is a composite number which index is 1709.
Now what about the end you are talking about you will tell me? Well I believe it has an important signification too.
respect/
Where do you get the seven pairs? I have checked a few translations now and all I can find is seven often repeated verses, refering to the 7 verses of Surah Al-Fatiha.
By the way: I was surprised to see that the Qur'an says you should keep the Sabbath. I can't remember ever meeting a Sabbath-keeping muslim.
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I would not ask TS to change anything he has planned. He can carry on as he sees fit.
I am disappointed he has chosen not to provide any feedback on, or participate in the discussion of Sign #1.
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Ok so I am very behind in my studies I have a ton of work to do in the next 3 weeks however I will do my best to read the signs (#1 again and #2 for the first time) and to study. I also briefly saw my name mentioned in the posts so I will provide whatever insight I can. Thanks for being patient with me... just letting you guys know I am here! :-)
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I'm just wondering if any of my JW sisters are still here. I'm rarely here and with the hoax revolving in researching Michael being the archangel, our initial investigating of the hoax, for me has vanished into a bible study group. GREAT for the rest of you, and I DO realize there is more to the site than that..but it does revolve around TS posts. I still pop in and out..but have begun to lose interest. NOT in Michael and the hoax, but I need to either wait this all out, or find a place that is back to more of the basics and not ...well, you know.
LOVE to you all, I'm not leaving, just need something else from all of this...
Hello Ford, I'm still here Sister,
I have the same feelings about Michael being an archangel as you have.
But i'm still interested in this development and wants to see where it will lead( but i hope there's going to be a twist.)
I agree with those before me who posted that Michael is a rare and lovely person. But he is still a person/human ( "i'm only human"will you be there) and he stays that way for me, nomatter what anyone say.
He had the opportunity and the talent and drive to be a huge singer and entertainer, and used his famous influence and money to help others.I have great respect for him on many counts.
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The 7 pairs are the 14 initials (letters) found at the beginning of several suras and their total gematrical value equals 1709 and this number pinpoints to the end of the world.
Quranic Initial + Gematrical Value:
1. Q = 100
2. N = 50
3. S = 90
4. H.M. = 48
5. Y.S. = 70
6. T.H. = 14
7. T.S. = 69
8. A.L.M. = 71
9. A.L.R. = 231
10. T.S.M. = 109
11. `A.S.Q. = 230
12. A.L.M.S. = 161
13. A.L.M.R. = 271
14. K.H.Y.`A.S. = 195
Where do you get the seven pairs? I have checked a few translations now and all I can find is seven often repeated verses, refering to the 7 verses of Surah Al-Fatiha.
By the way: I was surprised to see that the Qur'an says you should keep the Sabbath. I can't remember ever meeting a Sabbath-keeping muslim.
Glad you're interested. respect/ I need to say this first: There has been a lot said and done to discredit this finding; and the person who revealed that there was an intricate code in the Qur'an - Rashad Khalifa - has been threatened, defamed and finally assassinated in his Mosque in Tucson, Arizona; you can google it and find all the information and decide for yourself because there is a lot more about all this but I just want to focus on the EOW part as this is the subject we are discussing, I don't want to promote anything else. So this gives you an idea of how these things are received: They are vehemently rejected by most but everyone is free to believe this or not and I do, this is also a matter of faith.
The seven pairs are the 14 initials which are the letters that you find at the beginning of several suras, this is not about the first sura with 7 verses. I mentioned them in my post.^^ I give you an example with a sura initialed with letters T.S. (I always find it funny now :lol: ):
Sure 27: The Ant
27 “In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.”
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
27:1 “T. S. These constitute proofs of the Quran; a profound scripture.”
طس تِلْكَ ءايَتُ الْقُرْءانِ وَكِتَابٍ مُبِينٍ
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Another:
Sura 2: The Heifer
2 “In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.”
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
2:1 “A.L.M.”
الم
2:2 “This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous;”
ذَلِكَ الْكِتَبُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِلْمُتَّقِينَ
...
Now even without considering differing translations or whatever attacks and refutation attempts you'll find on the web about this, the fact remains that there are 29 suras which begin with these letters, take any Qur'an you will find them. I am of the belief that God does not do anything at random. They MUST have a meaning. No one ever understood the meaning of these letters since the Qur’an has been revealed, it has puzzled scholars ever since - but it was destined to be unveiled at a later time and God gave the understanding to this person. But as with everything, time will manifest the ultimate proof of the EOW. We have to be prepared anytime.
Concerning the Sabbath it actually is abrogated for Muslims, but compulsory for those "who dispute it" until this day -- so it is the Jews and Christians.
16:124
The Sabbath was decreed only for those who ended up disputing it. Your Lord is the One who will judge them on the Day of Resurrection regarding their disputes.
4:154
And we raised Mount Sinai above them, as we took their covenant. And we said to them, "Enter the gate humbly." And we said to them, "Do not desecrate the Sabbath." Indeed, we took from them a solemn covenant.
4:47
O you who received the scripture, you shall believe in what we reveal herein, confirming what you have, before we banish certain faces to exile, or condemn them as we condemned those who desecrated the Sabbath. God's command is done.
So the Qur'an is very clear that the Sabbath must be kept holy by Christians & Jews. This is a commandement from God. Muslims have the Friday prayer:
62:9
O you who believe, when the Congregational Prayer is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of God, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew.
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The 7 pairs are the 14 initials (letters) found at the beginning of several suras and their total gematrical value equals 1709 and this number pinpoints to the end of the world.
Quranic Initial + Gematrical Value:
1. Q = 100
2. N = 50
3. S = 90
4. H.M. = 48
5. Y.S. = 70
6. T.H. = 14
7. T.S. = 69
8. A.L.M. = 71
9. A.L.R. = 231
10. T.S.M. = 109
11. `A.S.Q. = 230
12. A.L.M.S. = 161
13. A.L.M.R. = 271
14. K.H.Y.`A.S. = 195
Where do you get the seven pairs? I have checked a few translations now and all I can find is seven often repeated verses, refering to the 7 verses of Surah Al-Fatiha.
By the way: I was surprised to see that the Qur'an says you should keep the Sabbath. I can't remember ever meeting a Sabbath-keeping muslim.
Glad you're interested. respect/ I need to say this first: There has been a lot said and done to discredit this finding; and the person who revealed that there was an intricate code in the Qur'an - Rashad Khalifa - has been threatened, defamed and finally assassinated in his Mosque in Tucson, Arizona; you can google it and find all the information and decide for yourself because there is a lot more about all this but I just want to focus on the EOW part as this is the subject we are discussing, I don't want to promote anything else. So this gives you an idea of how these things are received: They are vehemently rejected by most but everyone is free to believe this or not and I do, this is also a matter of faith.
The seven pairs are the 14 initials which are the letters that you find at the beginning of several suras, this is not about the first sura with 7 verses. I mentioned them in my post.^^ I give you an example with a sura initialed with letters T.S. (I always find it funny now :lol: ):
Sure 27: The Ant
27 “In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.”
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
27:1 “T. S. These constitute proofs of the Quran; a profound scripture.”
طس تِلْكَ ءايَتُ الْقُرْءانِ وَكِتَابٍ مُبِينٍ
...
Another:
Sura 2: The Heifer
2 “In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.”
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
2:1 “A.L.M.”
الم
2:2 “This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous;”
ذَلِكَ الْكِتَبُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِلْمُتَّقِينَ
...
Now even without considering differing translations or whatever attacks and refutation attempts you'll find on the web about this, the fact remains that there are 29 suras which begin with these letters, take any Qur'an you will find them. I am of the belief that God does not do anything at random. They MUST have a meaning. No one ever understood the meaning of these letters since the Qur’an has been revealed, it has puzzled scholars ever since - but it was destined to be unveiled at a later time and God gave the understanding to this person. But as with everything, time will manifest the ultimate proof of the EOW. We have to be prepared anytime.
Concerning the Sabbath it actually is abrogated for Muslims, but compulsory for those "who dispute it" until this day -- so it is the Jews and Christians.
16:124
The Sabbath was decreed only for those who ended up disputing it. Your Lord is the One who will judge them on the Day of Resurrection regarding their disputes.
4:154
And we raised Mount Sinai above them, as we took their covenant. And we said to them, "Enter the gate humbly." And we said to them, "Do not desecrate the Sabbath." Indeed, we took from them a solemn covenant.
4:47
O you who received the scripture, you shall believe in what we reveal herein, confirming what you have, before we banish certain faces to exile, or condemn them as we condemned those who desecrated the Sabbath. God's command is done.
So the Qur'an is very clear that the Sabbath must be kept holy by Christians & Jews. This is a commandement from God. Muslims have the Friday prayer:
62:9
O you who believe, when the Congregational Prayer is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of God, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew.
That's very interesting ;)
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I do believe that God sent special human beings to earth to make them guide to humanity. And Michael is one of them. I do believe that he is protected by God because he is special and he has a very important mission. This mission is about the end of the world and he is the one who is trying to guide humanity how to fight the evil and save us and the planet. He is the leader, he is the V for Vendetta, he is the Ark of the Covenant, he is the Archangel Michael, he is Michael Joe Jackson. It doesn't matter if you think that he is Ark-Angel or not, it doesn't matter if you think that he is just human or not; he has a very important mission and he needs US in this battle. Are we going to be with him, this is what matters. My answer is YES, I will definitely be on Michael's side, no matter what it takes!
You´re so right about Michael and i will be there to support him 100%. bearhug
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In all honesty TS, dear TS, I am struggling to understand something of this redirect. I'm trying hard but I am probably very stupid because my today attempts to make sense of it shamefully failed .
I mean I don't see the end, the conclusion, what you try to say or prove with this Sign 2.
Even if you would be here with me and you would allow me to ask you for explanations I wouldn't know what to ask...that lost I am. :-\
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In all honesty TS, dear TS, I am struggling to understand something of this redirect. I'm trying hard but I am probably very stupid because my today attempts to make sense of it shamefully failed .
I mean I don't see the end, the conclusion, what you try to say or prove with this Sign 2.
Even if you would be here with me and you would allow me to ask you for explanations I wouldn't know what to ask...that lost I am. :-\
Same here! /white flag/
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@ Souza, I just notice that you were only talking about the translation. I really need sleep. :-[
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The Signs will make more sense when we got them all.
"At first, this sign might not seem to be any striking indication that the end of the world is near. However, it lays a very solid foundation for several other things (coming in future signs) ... "
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=c54d425d86cbebd1dbe384402a035551&topic=72.msg303;topicseen#new
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Sarahli
Quranic Initial + Gematrical Value:
1. Q = 100
2. N = 50
3. S = 90
4. H.M. = 48
5. Y.S. = 70
6. T.H. = 14
7. T.S. = 69
8. A.L.M. = 71
9. A.L.R. = 231
10. T.S.M. = 109
11. `A.S.Q. = 230
12. A.L.M.S. = 161
13. A.L.M.R. = 271
14. K.H.Y.`A.S. = 195
;)
Gina, Mary, could you list all the questions you have about Sign #2, to get the ball rolling? Then everyone can discuss better! :)
Otherwise it's just sitting there like some big mountain that nobody wants to climb--big and beautiful but unexplored and tasted!
I have found that even non-Bible background members have insight that is objective and intuitive when it comes to Scripture.
I am so sure TS would love to see people getting on their climbing gear and at least trying!
(http://www.contentwire.com/img/yvx29Eu7y6gbDcNg.JPG)
Hopefully not too much of this! afraid/ :lol:
(http://www.travelodestination.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mountain-climbing.jpg)
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I am sorry MJonmind but I don't even know what to ask.
Because I don't understand a thing.
As I see it it's about 6 Jewish festivals/feasts which TS links to the furniture pieces in the holy tent.
I've never been interested in Jewish traditions so it's the first time I hear about some of these 6 festivals they have.
So let's say TS is right and those festivals are indeed related to the furniture ordered by God to Moses and the Revelation is indeed in fact made of 7 parts.
I don't understand why this would be relevant.
Anyway, again I have to say it's almost scary how someone can make connections between books in the Bible which are hundreds of pages away from each other errrr.
I know MJ was reading the Bible every day but I am NOT sure he knew the Bible in so much detail so to be able to write these Signs this way WTF??.
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Yup, I agree, this is a highly intense, detailed bible study.
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The only explanation that would make any sense is that we are given the elements of a code (like a Morse code) in order to be in the position, later, to understand a code that runs the world (and to differentiate true from false) and act appropriately.
In the sense of Musashi's "know your counterpart and yourself before the next move".
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LOL@MJonmind, I also noticed that my post was number 69. lolol/
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I'm doing my best to understand Sign #2 as well.....but I am not doing a very good job of it.
It's going to take me several reads.
(TS - I feel like I am reading your PhD dissertation in these first 2 signs ;) :mrgreen: )
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I'm so happy to see TS here again. I read Sign #2 but I'm not quite sure what to make of it yet. Hm... I'll keep watchin' I guess.
PS. Do some of you here think that TS is/might be Michael?
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As Teddy Riley would say, "Yep, yep!"
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The only explanation that would make any sense is that we are given the elements of a code (like a Morse code) in order to be in the position, later, to understand a code that runs the world (and to differentiate true from false) and act appropriately.
In the sense of Musashi's "know your counterpart and yourself before the next move".
When you think of it, the very fact there's furniture and feasts that represent something else, and certain verses are partially repeated elsewhere for the observant to catch the connections, is already like riddles, cryptic messaging and layers. God hides things/messages in stories, objects, rituals.
There's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code) . It all reminds me of the Da Vinci Code movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvmkH59-zA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvmkH59-zA)
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Yup, I agree, this is a highly intense, detailed bible study.
I know. Anyway, if you have a job and a family there's not enough time to do so detailed studies and connect the verses. I had time to study the Bible only in college and before my son was born.
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Yup, I agree, this is a highly intense, detailed bible study.
I know. Anyway, if you have a job and a family there's not enough time to do so detailed studies and connect the verses. I had time to study the Bible only in college and before my son was born.
yes so much more has come along to steal away our time from these things perhaps that is the biggest part of the problems with our world today.
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It's important to know the fesitivals and the sanctuary because God set this up so we will know the real event(s) when they happen.
The festivals, sanctuary is meant to be practice for the real thing. (listed as the type) This is like a dress rehearsal or something.
The antiype is the real event. We have to know what to look for and what to do when the real event(s) happen.
Some things in the bible already happened in history but some didn't happen yet. This is one of the only ways we could possibly figure out god's plan. It's there for us to use so we have to do our best to understand it and use it.
I saw how the holidays,festivals, and major events were planned to coincide during certain times. For example, Easter and First Fruits is on the same day. Everything is perfectly planned.
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Meaning of the festivals
each of these feasts has its special meaning for the people of God. But when it comes to their meaning in general, these celebrations mark the past, toward the acts to save the people of God. Some point toward the future: at the entrance to the nation to the promised land and, by extension, the messianic kingdom.
Its purpose
the Festival to the Israelites the opportunity to reflect on the goodness of God; to ensure that this nation keep in mind that are the holy people of God, keep God present in the mind of every one of them, promoting national unity . In addition, filled with other religious and social purposes, especially in favor of the poor.
Some convocations coincide with the seasons of the agricultural year by asking them to remind the Jews that God provides them continuously his breadwinner. Also provide them with the opportunity to return to God a portion of what he has given them. Other fiestas celebrate major events in the history of Israel, whom God had intervened to waging or sustain to his people. The word "holy" is found ten times in the cap. Leviticus 23, emphasizing the purpose of the festivities.
It also highlights the holy number "seven" which means " whole, completion or perfection".
The system of the solemn feasts is constituted on the cycle of seven: - was the seventh day of rest - the seventh year was also a rest - the seventh sabbatical year was followed by the year of jubilee - the seventh month was especially sacred with three days of feast - had seven weeks between Passover and Pentecost - the feast of the passover lasted seven days - the feast of tabernacles lasted seven days.
The solemn feasts of Leviticus are only for the Israelites?
The Leviticus 23, tells us: "The Lord spoke to Moses, saying : "The appointed feasts of the Lord which proclamaras as holy convocations , are these: six days shall work be done; more will be the seventh day of rest ... day of rest is of the Lord wherever he may dwell. These are the feasts of the Lord, the holy convocations, which in their times convocaras ... between the two evenings. Passover is of the Lord .
Does not say that "are the feasts of the Jews" are appointed feasts of the Lord! To save every person that you want to follow God. He wants the whole world obey all his commandments. All those who wish to be members of the assembly of the Lord and be presented in front of the heavenly throne
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I made some possible connections between the SIGN and the hoax...
I posted several messages in this thread, then all of the sudden I had these ideas...
I'm not sure if I went the good way... just wanted to share this with you and see what's your opinion, pls! tks ;)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21589.0
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@Sim, as I just posted on your Elvis thread, MJ did always study the greats and then build on and put his own spin on what he learnt from them .... you could argue that God is the greatest of 'the greats', so why not?!
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SimPattyK
So I did this based on the thought that everything presented in the SIGNS , everything Bible related is meant as an allegory/metaphor, double meaning to the HOAX in itself.
Interesting take, and some would say that much or all in the Bible also is allegorical, metaphorical, with double meaning. ;) Who knows--God moves in mysterious ways!
The truth is perhaps somewhere in the middle. I guess as more of TS's Signs are revealed we will see clearer, or maybe not. :cry: :lol:
Paula-c
The system of the solemn feasts is constituted on the cycle of seven: - was the seventh day of rest - the seventh year was also a rest - the seventh sabbatical year was followed by the year of jubilee
You explained it all well. The "jubilee" part reminded me of something. MJ was 50 when he died:
Leviticus 25:10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you
The word, “Jubilee”. The Septuagint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint)rendered the Hebrew yovel as "a trumpet-blast of liberty" (αφεσεως σημασια afeseos semasia), and the Vulgate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate)by Latin iobeleus (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/iobeleus). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical))
Michael the Archangel’s trumpet voice sounds at Christ’s return.
Jesus in Luke 4:18 quotes the verse in Isaiah 61:1:
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2061&version=KJV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2061&version=KJV)
Michael is 50 the year of his “death”, a sort of trumpet shock to the world. Earlier that year his last public speech was at the 02 arena, which backwards looks much like 50. The fact that he was planning to do 50 shows, means MJ wants to draw our attention to the number.IMO
Front/TS have talked about MJ being like Moses, and Jermaine has said he himself was like Aaron. Moses led his people out of slavery, proclaiming their liberty.
http://servantofmessiah.org/times-and-seasons/feasts-of-the-lord/atonement-yom-kippur/ (http://servantofmessiah.org/times-and-seasons/feasts-of-the-lord/atonement-yom-kippur/)
The historical background is that the Israelites had been slaves in the land of Egypt, without freedom and without possessions. When they reached the land of Canaan, Joshua divided the land among their tribes and their families, so that each had his own inheritance. Every adult male among them became a landowner. This land was a permanent possession that could never depart from his family. If a man became poor, he could sell part or all of his land, but only temporarily. It would always revert to him or his descendants at the year of jubilee. If he became even poorer and was unable to pay his debts, he could sell himself into slavery, and work to pay off his debts. Again that slavery could only ever be temporary. When the great Day of Atonement in the year of Jubilee came he became a free man once again, and repossessed his inheritance.
I believe Yeshua announced His ministry during a Jubilee year. Luke 4 v 17
I don’t know if 2009 was a Jubilee year, for MJ’s announcement and “death”. I believe in the future the true Israelites (much of them African-Americans) will return to Israel in fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies, where it says all 12 tribes will be re-united from all over the world. The Jews who live in the land currently are only place-holders to prevent the true ones returning before the proper time--after the return of the Messiah. Isaiah 11. In this order -- Messiah's return, judgment, then gathering dispersed Israelites to the promised land. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2011&version=KJV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2011&version=KJV)
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MJonmind your signature picture is great :)
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Michael Jackson was nothing more than a human being, a great talent and a wonderful kind loving man.
He knew alot he tried to share as much as he could.
His soul probably came from a higher realm and his mission was to remind people of love, the importance of love and the importance of oneness. Most of his family are now passing this on and trying to pass the message along even more now than before.
Michael Jackson studied all religious book, history books and other books.
He was all religions and no religions.
Because there is only one God, one Existence and Michael knew that.
All books have been tampered with, there are no complete truths in them.
Jesus came on earth and shared the same message Michael did.
Michael will always live because we all never dies.
Will he come back to this planet in the same body... maybe.
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Michael Jackson was nothing more than a human being, a great talent and a wonderful kind loving man.
He knew alot he tried to share as much as he could.
His soul probably came from a higher realm and his mission was to remind people of love, the importance of love and the importance of oneness. Most of his family are now passing this on and trying to pass the message along even more now than before.
Michael Jackson studied all religious book, history books and other books.
He was all religions and no religions.
Because there is only one God, one Existence and Michael knew that.
All books have been tampered with, there are no complete truths in them.
Jesus came on earth and shared the same message Michael did.
Michael will always live because we all never dies.
Will he come back to this planet in the same body... maybe.
Agree with all you say here.
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I have a question ..
Through the sacrifice of Jesus, God gave his people the gift of grace / forgiveness of sins. Is that the time when Lucifer was cast out from Heaven?
Revelation 12:7-12
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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Michael Jackson studied all religious book, history books and other books.
He was all religions and no religions.
This has always been my impression of MJ as well. Religion, race, gender, and style; he transcends all social dividing lines. In addition, he is able to represent all nations and countries and political persuasions. MJ is a collage of cultural identities. Thanks to the gay rumors, funnily enough, he is even able to cross sexual identity boundaries. No group or classification of persons can lay sole claim to MJ as their homeboy.
Everyone on this earth can identify in some way with MJ, which makes him unlike any other human being on the planet, current or historical, and puts him in a unique position of influence. You can't even say that about Jesus Christ.
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Everyone on this earth can identify in some way with MJ, which makes him unlike any other human being on the planet, current or historical, and puts him in a unique position of influence. You can't even say that about Jesus Christ.
And Michael is all of these because he followed the teachings of Jesus - imagine that!
Still, he is no Jesus, he only represents what normality should be like, cause THIS is indeed posible for all of us to be like.
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I have a question ..
Through the sacrifice of Jesus, God gave his people the gift of grace / forgiveness of sins. Is that the time when Lucifer was cast out from Heaven?
Good question and I'm probably not the best one to even comment on it....but I do believe there is another verse in Revelation (?)...where the vision shows Satan falling to earth like a lightening bolt...and I think this occurs in the vision after Jesus' crucifixion/sacrifice. If someone who is better versed in the Bible can shed light on this or give their interpretation, that would help.
I've been all over the place since TS posted the 2nd Sign lol....I start reading/researching one thing and end up on a completely different path (which is part of the reason why I love TS' posts....they lead to many wonderful paths ::P).
What I'm getting confused over has to do with the significance of Jesus' sacrifice...precisely, what the 'act' itself fulfilled. If we take the OT as literal...then God asked for both an Ark and a sanctuary/tabernacle to be built so that He could 'dwell' among His people. Both were to be 'proof' of His existence for the people....i.e. God knew they needed these 'objects' in order to believe in Him. What confuses me is....didn't Jesus eliminate/replace/fulfill the meaning or necessity of these objects? Weren't these objects no longer necessary as 'proof' or as ways in which God could 'dwell' among people....since Jesus was the proof and the way? If so, then why would these objects 'reappear' before the end of times? It's almost like God would be taking a few steps back in the grand plan....i.e. He first used the objects as proof, He then sent His Son as proof...and now He's gonna 'resend' the objects again as proof? It just seems too confusing...and based on several passages I've read, God is not one to confuse....but rather, the (d)evil always aims at confusion and deception.
So, I'm torn in my understanding as to whether TS is trying to show us Signs that will be appearing by God's will (i.e. God inspired)...or if he's trying to open our eyes to possible deceit/deception that will be used by the (d)evil powers to make us believe these Signs are, in fact, coming from God.
Is there Bible passages that show that the physical objects (actual 'things) of the Ark and the sanctuary will 'reappear' at the end of times? I'm asking because I don't know...what I do know is that there is mention (in the visions) of both the Ark and God's sanctuary being seen in Heaven, not earth. And there's also mention that the devil will crank up the deception before Jesus' return. Does this deception have anything to do with what TS is trying to show us with these Signs (i.e. the Signs we will see ARE the deception, coming from the evil side)...or are these Signs our 'armor' that will help us see the deceit when/if it happens (i.e. the Signs are God's way of showing us His plan as 'proof' of His hand in the events to come)?. I don't know the Bible nearly as well as others here....so again, any insight/direction would help ease a discombobulated mind :?
With L.O.V.E. always.
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And Michael is all of these because he followed the teachings of Jesus - imagine that!
Still, he is no Jesus, he only represents what normality should be like, cause THIS is indeed posible for all of us to be like.
So true and agreed respect/
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Although to be fair, I think organized religion's claim to Jesus is responsible for entire groups of people being alienated by the symbol of Jesus Christ, not the actual teachings of Jesus Christ.
Everyone on this earth can identify in some way with MJ, which makes him unlike any other human being on the planet, current or historical, and puts him in a unique position of influence. You can't even say that about Jesus Christ.
And Michael is all of these because he followed the teachings of Jesus - imagine that!
Still, he is no Jesus, he only represents what normality should be like, cause THIS is indeed posible for all of us to be like.
Yes, that is interesting isn't it.
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Some days ago I spoke with a friend about the revelation and he gave me his personal opinion that it seems to me very logical, it is more or less as follows:
Much interpreted the prophecy concerning to our modern times, but in the context leads us to think that this is a prophecy exclusivamente related to the Jewish Temple, the truth is that when you start to read passages as: "And hear of wars and rumors of wars..." or "because it will be lifted nation against nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom;" "and there will be pests, and famines, and earthquakes in different places," might think that these things are happening in our own noses long. This has led many to apply this prophecy to our times. But it occurs to me to ask: do in which of the past 20 centuries have not given the same characteristics?
When the Bible speaks of the coming of the son of man, not always refers to the second coming of Christ to the Earth and Yes, to other events which may be judgments or the arrival of the Holy Spirit. Also when speaking of the end-time not always refers to the end of the world, it may be the end of Israel as people of God. They are ways of expressing, rhetorical figures of speech.
Matthew 10: 16-23
1 Who tells Jesus? His disciples who followed him, that is to the first century. We should never applied any of those words to Christians of the 21st century. That would be out of context. Let us look at verse 23. The streets of Israel? This refers. Before that come the son of man? Does refer this to the second coming of Christ? No. In any way. It refers to the coming of Christ in judgment. I believe this because the context refers to persecution to the disciples, what happened after the establishment of the Church. Christ would come, but a punishment of the Hebrew people.
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SimPattyK
So I did this based on the thought that everything presented in the SIGNS , everything Bible related is meant as an allegory/metaphor, double meaning to the HOAX in itself.
Interesting take, and some would say that much or all in the Bible also is allegorical, metaphorical, with double meaning. ;) Who knows--God moves in mysterious ways!
The truth is perhaps somewhere in the middle. I guess as more of TS's Signs are revealed we will see clearer, or maybe not. :cry: :lol:
yes, I agree. After the first sign I only imagined that this "Bible -scenario" was used by Michael for his "hoax-scenario"
After Sign2 , some more ideas came to me... Still very blurred and confused... I can't wait for Sign 3 to bring in some more LIGHT and see not only "the furniture" but all "the room" and maybe some people in it ?? ;)
@curls: yes I got your message and I replied to you on that thread... tks !
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@Sim, as I just posted on your Elvis thread, MJ did always study the greats and then build on and put his own spin on what he learnt from them .... you could argue that God is the greatest of 'the greats', so why not?!
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking as well. If he wanted to change the world, effect billons, for generations, MJ would study those who had done that already. Whether you believe Jesus is or isn't a Messiah, whether you believe Jesus is a good man or divine, no one can argue that he was the greatest leader of all time. His 33 years in this world has created a following and is spoken about generationally. Of course MJ would study him!
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Two thoughts crossed my mind with the "second coming of the man". I try to be logical.
I don't try to walk the book's paths.
A coming depends on a leaving just like "hello" depends on "good-bye".
Yet Christian believers will keep telling and insisting that they are experiencing Jesus being a very close and living part of their life. So he could never have left because he's still there. He could never return because he never left. Right?
Why should it be a "second coming of man" if it would be about time that a woman speaks up?
Considering God being male and female and love and care are very female talents - why isn't it a "second coming of woman"?
Because the background is a male doctrine where men are the heads of the world and women are serving hands only?
Blessings.
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Bec
This has always been my impression of MJ as well. Religion, race, gender, and style; he transcends all social dividing lines. In addition, he is able to represent all nations and countries and political persuasions. MJ is a collage of cultural identities. Thanks to the gay rumors, funnily enough, he is even able to cross sexual identity boundaries. No group or classification of persons can lay sole claim to MJ as their homeboy.
Everyone on this earth can identify in some way with MJ, which makes him unlike any other human being on the planet, current or historical, and puts him in a unique position of influence. You can't even say that about Jesus Christ.
I 100% agree with you, and he’s black and/or white! Representing all skin colors!
I’ve said before, MJ could/should be the intergalactic representative.
BeTheChange, that’s why I believe (said it lots before) God’s story of HIStory is a drama, movie. The story-line could have gone a million-billion different ways, but He is the author/artist/choreographer. MJ’s one of his helpers. The Bible ‘story’ has all the good elements that the best movie/book would have –murder/mystery/suspense/clues/unexpected twists/cliff-hangers/emotional appleal/awesome characters.
Nefertari, about Lucifer being cast out of heaven. The Sign #2 mentions that this took place in the distant past, not future.
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Although there is a general chronological flow going through the book of Revelation, every verse is not given in a chronological order—nor does it mean that every verse in this Yom Kippur division is fulfilled near the end of time. But it does mean that the subject matter in this part of Revelation relates especially to our time, and is even more important for us than the other parts of Revelation.
For example, Revelation 12 is in the Yom Kippur division; and yet it has the story of Satan being cast out of heaven (see 12:4,7-8). This happened thousands of years ago, not during the time of the end that we are living in; but it is included in the Yom Kippur division, because understandingwhySatan was kicked out is crucialto understanding the issues for the end of the world—including and especially the battle of Armageddon (see Sign #1, www.AnointedArk.com (http://www.anointedark.com/)).
Paula-c, I believe what you’re referring to is Preterism, that Biblical prophecy was fulfilled in the first century A.D. http://www.preterism.info/articles/jesus-predicted.htm (http://www.preterism.info/articles/jesus-predicted.htm)
Since I believe the Bible is in riddles, layers, cycles, and more, I believe another layer/cycle/repeat just like progressive increasing revelation is coming in the future. God is way smarter than just the surface literal speaking through the Bible. He loves and saves EVERY single human he created and pre-ordained what each would think/be/believe.IMO
Lilwendy
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@Sim, as I just posted on your Elvis thread, MJ did always study the greats and then build on and put his own spin on what he learnt from them .... you could argue that God is the greatest of 'the greats', so why not?!
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking as well. If he wanted to change the world, effect billons, for generations, MJ would study those who had done that already. Whether you believe Jesus is or isn't a Messiah, whether you believe Jesus is a good man or divine, no one can argue that he was the greatest leader of all time. His 33 years in this world has created a following and is spoken about generationally. Of course MJ would study him!
Yes, and Michael Jackson will be the new and improved version, because he studied the Biblical Master. If you've read about the bloody vengeance that Jesus will perform, shown in Revelation, upon humans on earth-- Jesus is love, takes on a different meaning :shock: errrr . I'll go rather with MJ any day.
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@Sim, as I just posted on your Elvis thread, MJ did always study the greats and then build on and put his own spin on what he learnt from them .... you could argue that God is the greatest of 'the greats', so why not?!
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking as well. If he wanted to change the world, effect billons, for generations, MJ would study those who had done that already. Whether you believe Jesus is or isn't a Messiah, whether you believe Jesus is a good man or divine, no one can argue that he was the greatest leader of all time. His 33 years in this world has created a following and is spoken about generationally. Of course MJ would study him!
Yes, and Michael Jackson will be the new and improved version, because he studied the Biblical Master. If you've read about the bloody vengeance that Jesus will perform, shown in Revelation, upon humans on earth-- Jesus is love, takes on a different meaning :shock: errrr . I'll go rather with MJ any day.
:shock:
I have to make an experiment, thank you for being an inspiration bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bearhug
Oh, Michael - I love you bearhug I ..................
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God is the best.
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Yes, and Michael Jackson will be the new and improved version, because he studied the Biblical Master. If you've read about the bloody vengeance that Jesus will perform, shown in Revelation, upon humans on earth-- Jesus is love, takes on a different meaning :shock: errrr . I'll go rather with MJ any day.
I don't agree on this.
Vengeance is man-made interference with God's will and works perfectly into evil's embrace since it is selfish and separative in many ways.
Bloody?
We are dealing with "cardiac arrest" not with "stabbing to death".
Don't we trust that Michael would have overcome Sneddon as well as every other bad guy in his life?
Don't we trust that God has taken care of His way to get this righted anyway?
Don't we trust that Michael knows thoroughly that he is God's tool for a bigger cause than just being Michael Jackson?
Haven't we seen with our own eyes that Michael was doing exactly this: being a conscious tool through which God could execute His plans?
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
― Martin Luther King Jr. (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/23924.Martin_Luther_King_Jr_), A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/52037)
I have faith in Michael.
I have faith in God.
Both will do the necessary for bringing back love and setting the interrupted heart of the world into motion again.
Vengeance is about punishment and thus about anger and fear.
There is no fear where love exists. Rather, perfect love banishes fear, for fear involves punishment, and the person who lives in fear has not been perfected in love.
1 John 4:18
Blessings.
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Paula-c, I believe what you're referring to is Preterism, that Biblical prophecy was fulfilled in the first century AD http://www.preterism.info/articles/jesus-predicted.htm Since I believe the Bible is in riddles, layers, cycles, and more, I believe another layer/cycle/repeat just like progressive increasing revelation is coming in the future.
Yes, MJonmind I am trying to talk with people of different thoughts
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I have faith in Michael.
I have faith in God.
Both will do the necessary for bringing back love and setting the interrupted heart of the world into motion again.
What I do not understand is WHAT more exactly are people expecting from MJ than he has already contributed?
He promoted LOVE his entire life through everything he did for others and his art. We only have to bring love, each of us in his little world.
Only we can save us, and the world implicitly, from whatever we feel is wrong, not Michael.
I hope I don't sound too stupid, but really, what else can he give to us?!
Isn't his love enough?
And about the "end of the world"... why so much passion put into this subject? If we strive to live our time in the light / love, does it matter if there are signals of an end?
I take this as fear of death rather, than a viable concern to save the world...
Just love and live. This should keep the world spinning.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7baeBy7E-w[/youtube]
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I have faith in Michael.
I have faith in God.
Both will do the necessary for bringing back love and setting the interrupted heart of the world into motion again.
What I do not understand is WHAT more exactly are people expecting from MJ than he has already contributed?
He promoted LOVE his entire life through everything he did for others and his art. We only have to bring love, each of us in his little world.
Only we can save us, and the world implicitly, from whatever we feel is wrong, not Michael.
I hope I don't sound too stupid, but really, what else can he give to us?!
Isn't his love enough?
And about the "end of the world"... why so much passion put into this subject? If we strive to live our time in the light / love, does it matter if there are signals of an end?
I take this as fear of death rather, than a viable concern to save the world...
Just love and live. This should keep the world spinning.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7baeBy7E-w[/youtube]
I don't expect a thing from Michael, just want to see him alive again, even if only on a TV screen.
But this possibility seems more and more improbable :(.
Because his death/'death' is so unfair.
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Oh, and I also want back the old TS.
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You mean the one that used to interact with his threads? Not just post n ditch? Yeah, me too.
Now this is when some smartass shows up and embeds The Rolling Stones, You Can't Always Get What You Want, (But You Get What You Need), and we all scurry away properly shamed, for a time.
cue the smartass.
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yes that TS
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I don't expect a thing from Michael, just want to see him alive again, even if only on a TV screen.
We will see him when everything's ready. He asked for 4 years, our patience and understanding, right?
Just say *FU* *FU* *FU* negativity ( :lol:) and hang in there! Be positive!
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I don't expect a thing from Michael, just want to see him alive again, even if only on a TV screen.
We will see him when everything's ready. He asked for 4 years, our patience and understanding, right?
Just say *FU* *FU* *FU* negativity ( :lol:) and hang in there! Be positive!
I'm positive.
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You all crack me up (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/haha-rire-395.gif)
Grace, I 100% agree with you--what you wrote is basically what I was saying if you read between the lines. :lol: You put it so well!
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The Bible can be interpretated in so many ways, but only one is fully right.
Everyone can read it, but when it come to interpretations the line between reality and created illusion becomes very thin.
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I can admit that I'm missing the redirects of TS and the old hoax days full of clues. But I think we passed that stage and now we're on another level in which we need to be patient. I must say that this is the hardest level of the hoax. /scream/
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MJonmind, this one's for you:
(http://ohiok.com/img/yourspacecooment/meredo/kisses/72e78509689e4401c755dcf687960204.gif)
Most "industrialized" men and women are not made for any bloody vengeance anyway.
They would topple with white noses in need of smelling salts and an EMT
pale/ /white flag/ (http://oldfashionedliving.com/forums/images/smilies/11.gif)
(http://gloomies.com/comics/2008-04-09-fainting_still_cool_apparently.jpg)
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Awh, thank you Grace! ;))
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLHMicq88_4eJeLGVnwU2E0q1lWq3LsqdeZBPzPY53tMTMaCSM)
SimPattyK
yes, I agree. After the first sign I only imagined that this "Bible -scenario" was used by Michael for his "hoax-scenario"After Sign2 , some more ideas came to me... Still very blurred and confused... I can't wait for Sign 3 to bring in some more LIGHT and see not only "the furniture" but all "the room" and maybe some people in it ??
You know honestly, this could be anything, and that's why I wish non-religious people were cracking their heads over Sign's posts too. Maybe TS might be be so kind as to redirect sometime. I love it when ideas are being bounced around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DrFY3H-u8w&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DrFY3H-u8w&feature=fvsr)
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yes, I agree. After the first sign I only imagined that this "Bible -scenario" was used by Michael for his "hoax-scenario"After Sign2 , some more ideas came to me... Still very blurred and confused... I can't wait for Sign 3 to bring in some more LIGHT and see not only "the furniture" but all "the room" and maybe some people in it ??
You know honestly, this could be anything, and that's why I wish non-religious people were cracking their heads over Sign's posts too. Maybe TS might be be so kind as to redirect sometime. I love it when ideas are being bounced around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DrFY3H-u8w&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DrFY3H-u8w&feature=fvsr)
Oh yeah! oh yeah! TS, dear, please we need your guidance , some of your posts or redirects would be of SOOO great help!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/number1.gif)
Loved that video, MJ-onMind!! ;)
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I was wondering if it matters to Michael’s fans what religion he practices if any, or perhaps religionS. If they love him, would it matter? Should it matter? And is it possible to be no religion at all and simply be a lover of God? Someone who finds God in all religions is called eclectic.
Is it possible to bring all religions together under one banner? Is it possible to see beyond religious methodology and simply embrace the One God?
It seems that it’s the different names we have that cause separation and division amongst the human race.
For example:
“Muslim” means “Submitted”
“Christian” means one who follows the teachings of the Christ
“Sikh” means “dsiciple”
“Buddha” means “the wise one”
If we follow the One God, we become One in brotherhood and sisterhood. Isn’t that a wonderful vision of L.O.V.E?
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I was wondering if it matters to Michael’s fans what religion he practices if any, or perhaps religionS. If they love him, would it matter? Should it matter? And is it possible to be no religion at all and simply be a lover of God? Someone who finds God in all religions is called eclectic.
Is it possible to bring all religions together under one banner? Is it possible to see beyond religious methodology and simply embrace the One God?
It seems that it’s the different names we have that cause separation and division amongst the human race.
For example:
“Muslim” means “Submitted”
“Christian” means one who follows the teachings of the Christ
“Sikh” means “dsiciple”
“Buddha” means “the wise one”
If we follow the One God, we become One in brotherhood and sisterhood. Isn’t that a wonderful vision of L.O.V.E?
What you say makes a lot of sense, Sarahli. I see Michael as being Eclectic, although I'm not sure he proclaimed to be.
Blessings
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I was wondering if it matters to Michael’s fans what religion he practices if any, or perhaps religionS. If they love him, would it matter? Should it matter? And is it possible to be no religion at all and simply be a lover of God? Someone who finds God in all religions is called eclectic.
Is it possible to bring all religions together under one banner? Is it possible to see beyond religious methodology and simply embrace the One God?
It seems that it’s the different names we have that cause separation and division amongst the human race.
For example:
“Muslim” means “Submitted”
“Christian” means one who follows the teachings of the Christ
“Sikh” means “dsiciple”
“Buddha” means “the wise one”
If we follow the One God, we become One in brotherhood and sisterhood. Isn’t that a wonderful vision of L.O.V.E?
Yes, and it seems to me that an atheist loves, appreciates and is in wonder of -- nature, the human, science, math, intellect, history and the Universe itself. Does that not constitute a form of worship?
Semantics and languages and translations—all change the “names” we have for the Creator or Source.
The word “Lord” means “Baal” (pagan god), and “Jesus” came from “Zeus”. Deception has always lurked.
http://yhvh.name/?w=691 (http://yhvh.name/?w=691)
http://www.hiddenbible.com/jesuszeus/jesuszeus.html (http://www.hiddenbible.com/jesuszeus/jesuszeus.html)
But it’s all a part of the show—the Creator’s show!! /cook/ IMO!
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I was wondering if it matters to Michael’s fans what religion he practices if any, or perhaps religionS. If they love him, would it matter? Should it matter? And is it possible to be no religion at all and simply be a lover of God? Someone who finds God in all religions is called eclectic.
Is it possible to bring all religions together under one banner? Is it possible to see beyond religious methodology and simply embrace the One God?
It seems that it’s the different names we have that cause separation and division amongst the human race.
For example:
“Muslim” means “Submitted”
“Christian” means one who follows the teachings of the Christ
“Sikh” means “dsiciple”
“Buddha” means “the wise one”
If we follow the One God, we become One in brotherhood and sisterhood. Isn’t that a wonderful vision of L.O.V.E?
I don't think MJ's religion matters to his fans (it didn't matter to me from the beginning although I'm not JW) as long as he is what he "preaches" (LOVE), but it matters if he would try to establish through this hoax another religion. Humanity does not need another half-truth in the world.
Deep down in my soul I believe Michael surpassed those days when he was conditioned by belonging to one religion, understanding that what really matters is more simple, pure and... boundless:
"Love is the only reality and it is not a mere sentiment. It is the ultimate truth that lies at the heart of creation." - Rabindranth Tagore
"Let us dream of tomorrow where we can truly love from the soul, and know love as the ultimate truth at the heart of all creation." - Michael Jackson
Religious or not, the TRUTH is one, available to everyone.
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What you say makes a lot of sense, Sarahli. I see Michael as being Eclectic, although I'm not sure he proclaimed to be.
Blessings
Thank you Voice. Indeed it's one possibility that Michael is an eclectic, I haven't heard him proclaim it either but who knows. We still have a lot to learn from him.
Yes, and it seems to me that an atheist loves, appreciates and is in wonder of -- nature, the human, science, math, intellect, history and the Universe itself. Does that not constitute a form of worship?
I mentioned some of the religious denominations specifically because it corresponds to the theme being discussed here and the message of unity of all people regardless of their religions (Coexist). What they have in common is the worship of God.
Concerning atheists we can consider that they are a certain kind of “worshippers” but not of the Source of all these creations which is God. They rather “worship” the varied creation but not the Creator—which is totally different. Now I believe we are all children of the same God -- atheists included -- even if they do not recognize this as truth. Therefore we should all live in peace and freedom because choosing God or not is a personal choice which shouldn’t be used to diminish, aggress or denigrate anyone.
I don't think MJ's religion matters to his fans (it didn't matter to me from the beginning although I'm not JW) as long as he is what he "preaches" (LOVE), but it matters if he would try to establish through this hoax another religion. Humanity does not need another half-truth in the world.
I do not think that Michael is trying to establish a new religion lol, his message for me is clear and is about unity despite differences. It's about loving each other and going beyond the illusions separating us, it's about awakening and changing the world for the better and for real.
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I was optimistic to think I ca read and understand TS' Sign 2 in a week. I am still not done with it but I had to jump directly to the revelation part because the type-antitype part is still too much for me to digest for the moment.
I have to say one thing: TS synthesized the Revelation in an amazing way. I got to admit this person is very smart.
TS made me read the Revelation with much more attention than before. This time I realize I don't really understand it and I never really did. Some parts of Revelation sound like actual facts that still have to happen in the future, like with the starts falling from the sky and killing 1/3 from people and things like that....are these allegories or solid facts that will happen in the future???
I'll keep reading but for the moment I have only questions instead of answers.
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while sitting in a baptist church as a young teen i noticed a large plaque up front. it read: ONE GOD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM. since that i began to question if there is only one GOD then why all of these different religions. while dabbling a little learning about other faiths i noticed many similarities, with also slight differences. these differences ARE what have caused divisions & wars. IMO, all faiths contain truth. i just think they have been compartmentalized (bits & pieces given to different belief systems), which makes dividing & conquering easier. there is only ONE UNIVERSAL CREATOR & ONE TRUTH. once humanity realizes this the world WILL become a better place filled with L.O.V.E.
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The Bible can be interpretated in so many ways, but only one is fully right.
Everyone can read it, but when it come to interpretations the line between reality and created illusion becomes very thin.
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. It is stupidity rather than courage to refuse to recognize danger when it is close upon you." -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
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Deep down in my soul I believe Michael surpassed those days when he was conditioned by belonging to one religion, understanding that what really matters is more simple, pure and... boundless:
I like to believe that too.
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The Bible can be interpretated in so many ways, but only one is fully right.
Everyone can read it, but when it come to interpretations the line between reality and created illusion becomes very thin.
You are absolutely right! There is a very thin line!!!
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just want to say props to believers who are not religious, for keeping up with these threads. they can be somewhat deep even for the religiously inclined...
so yeah, props to you!
all for LOVE...
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I have a question ..
Through the sacrifice of Jesus, God gave his people the gift of grace / forgiveness of sins. Is that the time when Lucifer was cast out from Heaven?
Good question and I'm probably not the best one to even comment on it....but I do believe there is another verse in Revelation (?)...where the vision shows Satan falling to earth like a lightening bolt...and I think this occurs in the vision after Jesus' crucifixion/sacrifice. If someone who is better versed in the Bible can shed light on this or give their interpretation, that would help.
I've been all over the place since TS posted the 2nd Sign lol....I start reading/researching one thing and end up on a completely different path (which is part of the reason why I love TS' posts....they lead to many wonderful paths ::P).
What I'm getting confused over has to do with the significance of Jesus' sacrifice...precisely, what the 'act' itself fulfilled. If we take the OT as literal...then God asked for both an Ark and a sanctuary/tabernacle to be built so that He could 'dwell' among His people. Both were to be 'proof' of His existence for the people....i.e. God knew they needed these 'objects' in order to believe in Him. What confuses me is....didn't Jesus eliminate/replace/fulfill the meaning or necessity of these objects? Weren't these objects no longer necessary as 'proof' or as ways in which God could 'dwell' among people....since Jesus was the proof and the way? If so, then why would these objects 'reappear' before the end of times? It's almost like God would be taking a few steps back in the grand plan....i.e. He first used the objects as proof, He then sent His Son as proof...and now He's gonna 'resend' the objects again as proof? It just seems too confusing...and based on several passages I've read, God is not one to confuse....but rather, the (d)evil always aims at confusion and deception.
So, I'm torn in my understanding as to whether TS is trying to show us Signs that will be appearing by God's will (i.e. God inspired)...or if he's trying to open our eyes to possible deceit/deception that will be used by the (d)evil powers to make us believe these Signs are, in fact, coming from God.
Is there Bible passages that show that the physical objects (actual 'things) of the Ark and the sanctuary will 'reappear' at the end of times? I'm asking because I don't know...what I do know is that there is mention (in the visions) of both the Ark and God's sanctuary being seen in Heaven, not earth. And there's also mention that the devil will crank up the deception before Jesus' return. Does this deception have anything to do with what TS is trying to show us with these Signs (i.e. the Signs we will see ARE the deception, coming from the evil side)...or are these Signs our 'armor' that will help us see the deceit when/if it happens (i.e. the Signs are God's way of showing us His plan as 'proof' of His hand in the events to come)?. I don't know the Bible nearly as well as others here....so again, any insight/direction would help ease a discombobulated mind :?
With L.O.V.E. always.
the death of christ and the banishment of satan and demons to earth was at two different times.
death of christ was between (according to scholars) 30-36 AD. the banishment of satan from heaven... well there are several viewpoints. i personally belive that this was in 1914.
here is why... but again, my belief only. i am sure there are others who think different...
1914—A Significant Year in Bible Prophecy
DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?
As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations [“the times of the Gentiles,” King James Version] are fulfilled.” Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nation—the seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on “God’s throne” as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Gods’s rulership.
How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be “trampled on by the nations”? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. “God’s throne” became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this ‘trampling’ go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalem’s last king, Zedekiah: “Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.” (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has “the legal right” to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the ‘trampling’ would end when Jesus became King.
When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: “Let seven times pass over it.”—Daniel 4:10-16.
In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how God’s rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ would be temporary—a period of “seven times.” How long a period is that?
Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years.
The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.
Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
*From October 607 B.C.E. to October 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. Since there is no zero year, from October 1 B.C.E. to October 1914 C.E. is 1,914 years. By adding 606 years and 1,914 years, we get 2,520 years.
Jesus Christ became King in heaven in the year 1914. (Daniel 7:13, 14) Soon after he received Kingdom power, Jesus took action. “War broke out in heaven,” says the Bible. “Michael [another name for Jesus] and his angels battled with the dragon [Satan the Devil], and the dragon and its angels battled.” Satan and his wicked angels, the demons, lost that war and were cast out of heaven to the earth. God’s faithful spirit sons rejoiced that Satan and his demons were gone. Humans, however, would experience no such joy. Instead, the Bible foretold: “Woe for the earth . . . because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Revelation 12:7, 9, 12.
hope this helps...
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Is it possible to bring all religions together under one banner? Is it possible to see beyond religious methodology and simply embrace the One God?
JMO, but the short answer is no.... although i wish it wasnt the answer. this is because religion is a tool from the devil... also some religions practice things that are blatantly against god and have satanic involvement... so no, they cant be credited to embracing one god.... for some religions, especially those with pagan roots, their god (perhaps saldly unbeknownst to them) is satan himself....
so no. all religions can not be put under one banner....
on another note
a sign of the end according to the bible is gov turning on religion.... watch this space.....
this is when the BEAST (government world powers) turns on the harlot that is riding her.... (false religion)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SthCN_ZW0hU/TyosNybnjVI/AAAAAAAADc4/4ZEO4zOOCGs/s1600/MJ+2012+Mother-of-harlots.jpg)
sorry i know i know.... we are discussing festivals... my bad! :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135:
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from TS
R8. NINe 1nch Nai1s (Year Zero ARG)
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(game)}
Quoting from the Wikipedia redirect: “Year Zero is an alternate reality game (ARG) based on the Nine Inch Nails concept album of the same name ... Reznor stated that the concept behind Year Zero was partially inspired by his feelings toward the Bush administration. He further explained, ... I’m appalled by the behavior of our government, the direction that it has taken and the direction that it’s taken everyone else in the world and its arrogance ...”
This redirect was chosen for several reasons. It is an ARG, and yet not an ARG that is simply a game for entertainment; it is an ARG with a very important message, and one that goes along quite well with the TIAI message—in fact, the TIAI redirects were actually one form of ARG.
And like the “2012” film: the specifics of this Year Zero ARG are imaginary, but the concepts are very real. Notice this statement, which is about the related Year Zero album {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(album)}: “The album criticizes the American government’s policies, and ‘could be about the end of the world’. Reznor specifically cited what he labeled as the ‘erosion of freedoms’ and ‘the way that we treat the rest of the world and our own citizens’. Reznor had previously called the results of the 2004 US election ‘one step closer to the end of the world.’ ... the timeline of the album and alternate reality game mentions historical events, such as the September 11 attacks ... Regardless of being fictional, a columnist of The Hartford Courant commented, ‘What’s scary is that this doesn’t seem as far-fetched as it should, given recent revelations about the FBI's abuse of the Patriot Act and the dissent-equals-disloyalty double-speak coming out of Washington in recent years.”
Thought of quoting TIAI REVEALED for those that are surprised of where TS is going.
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It's important to know the fesitivals and the sanctuary because God set this up so we will know the real event(s) when they happen.
The festivals, sanctuary is meant to be practice for the real thing. (listed as the type) This is like a dress rehearsal or something.
The antiype is the real event. We have to know what to look for and what to do when the real event(s) happen.
Some things in the bible already happened in history but some didn't happen yet. This is one of the only ways we could possibly figure out god's plan. It's there for us to use so we have to do our best to understand it and use it.
I saw how the holidays,festivals, and major events were planned to coincide during certain times. For example, Easter and First Fruits is on the same day. Everything is perfectly planned.
Yes. And I've seen so many questions about it on this thread so I have gathered some information (ok a lot) to try and help everyone get a grasp on them as best I can. I'll try to arrange them in order from basic to deeper... I will apologize now for the length; but hey, I'm an info junkie. :icon_e_biggrin:
Study of the tabernacle: http://www.bible-history.com/tabernacle/TAB4Reasons_for_Studying_the_Taberna.htm (http://www.bible-history.com/tabernacle/TAB4Reasons_for_Studying_the_Taberna.htm)
THE SEVEN FURNISHINGS OF THE TABERNACLE OF THE CONGREGATION http://www.wor.org/Books/s/Sevfurn.htm (http://www.wor.org/Books/s/Sevfurn.htm)
Prophecy Watch: Seven Feasts of God http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvogGWEscc&list=PLD456A3EDC9208B68&index=2&feature=plpp_vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvogGWEscc&list=PLD456A3EDC9208B68&index=2&feature=plpp_vid)eo
The 7 Jewish Feast Days And Their Prophetic Significance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLbV5OgKFA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLbV5OgKFA&feature=related)
Time: Our Creator's Calendar - The Foundation http://119ministries.com/time-our-creators-calendar/
End of Days Series - Part 1/4 - Yahweh's Prophetic Calendar http://119ministries.com/yahwehs-prophetic-calendar
Yeshua the Living Torah - Mark Biltz http://119ministries.com/yeshua-the-living-torah---mark-biltz
Passover to Pentecost - Mark Biltz
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWY2QNxF-0Y&list=PL1B2B5C9CC729226F[/youtube]
Passover, The Basics - Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhsvk7cQq9c&list=PLD456A3EDC9208B68&index=87&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhsvk7cQq9c&list=PLD456A3EDC9208B68&index=87&feature=plpp_video)
Passover, Part 2: The Timeline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhQWIS3UTlo&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhQWIS3UTlo&feature=relmfu)
Jim Staley - Passover - Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPUbjTGDOjs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPUbjTGDOjs&feature=related)
The Feasts yet to be prophetically fulfilled by the Messiah:
Mark Biltz Feast of Trumpets
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOi5nKIb9Q[/youtube]
Mark Biltz teaches about the appointed time Yom Kippur "The day of atonement"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eucVQtdvQQ&list=PL1B2B5C9CC729226F[/youtube]
Mark Biltz feast of Tabernacles/Booths
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXwUk5Y7z70[/youtube]
Blessings to all
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I just read SIGN 1 and SIGN 2 once again...
I give up... HEEEEELLLLPPP :Pulling_hair:
I don't understand a thing.
Or when I think I might start to understand something, then comes another paragraph that makes me lose everything again...
The religious language is impossible for me to understand, especially in a foreign language!
There are too many unknown terms, too many notions...feasts that do not exist in my religion, so I don't know what they are...
Plus I am not really familiar with religious terms in my language either!
Though I've always believed in God, I've never been a "participant believer"... I don't go to church, don't read the Bible, nothing of the sort...
I just pray... and I feel HIM! He's always there for me...
That's pretty much my whole "religious life-experience" so far, to which I can add all the religious texts/threads/topics that I've been reading on this forum.
So understanding religious texts, doesn't come "over night"... It takes years of reading and getting familiar with everything... and most certainly someone to teach you and guide you through the coded biblical text.
So the SIGNS so far are like "foreign language" to me! At this point even Chinese would seem easier to understand lol :icon_lol:
Regarding SIGN 1 and SIGN 2 : in most cases if I have the luck to find the unknown words in a dictionary, then it's a new word for me even in my language... so again something very unfamiliar to me, which altogether with the rest of the "obstacles" makes the process of understanding the text even harder!
Even if these texts were written in my native language , I would still NOT understand a thing...
It's not a translation that is needed, it's an EXPLANATION of the WHOLE text, paragraph by paragraph, with parallels drawn to the hoax and what exactly this EOW is supposed to be... and what SALVATION (Ark of the covenant) is supposed to symbolize here, because it is clearly stated that it will not be a physical ark, nothing material!
Ok, I can make suppositions and interpret them as a "metaphor for the hoax" , with the Bible as a "hoax-scenario"... but what if it isn't that?
Then what is it?
I really feel like on a dead-end street regarding the first 2 Signs...
I will quote below, some parts of the SIGNS...that at some point seemed clear to me or looked like possible clues/links to the hoax, but then again, if I think at the whole context, then again nothing makes sense at all...
Anyway I just thought to post them, maybe your attention was drawn by the same things as me!
SIGN 1 - section: 4. Who Is Michael the Archangel?
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.0
The word “angel” does not mean “created”; instead, it means “messenger” (see Strong’s Hebrew #4397, and Greek #32). Our English word “evangelist” refers to a public speaker, or messenger, and “angel” is the root word. So does Christ qualify as a messenger? Certainly, because He is the “Word” (John 1:14; 6:63,68), He is the “mediator” (1 Timothy 2:5), and He is the “messenger of the covenant” (Malachi 3:1).
1 Timothy 2:5, “… one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Since Jesus is called an “angel” many times in Scripture, could He also be referred to as the “archangel”? The word “archangel” comes from two words: archo (#757, meaning: rule, reign, chief, lead), and “angel”
Malachi = messenger = angel ---> I found that interesting, especially with the voice-impersonator Jason Malachi!
archo = rule, reign, chief, lead --- > made me think of the KING of Pop and KO's phrase in This is it: "May we continue with Michael leading the way"
SIGN 1 - section: 7. “In the Hebrew Tongue Armageddon”
So Satan got kicked out of heaven, for demanding a seat on God’s throne. But that was in heaven. Does God have a throne on earth, or anything on earth that represents His throne in heaven? Yes, He does; and you can probably even guess what it is: the ark of the covenant! God’s throne is the mercy seat, on the ark: “… the mercy seat, which is upon the ark … for I [the LORD] will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.” (Leviticus 16:2).
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So the battle of Armageddon is the same battle which Lucifer started in heaven; it’s going to come full circle, and end up where it all started: the battle over God’s throne, the ark of the covenant! And this also fits perfectly with the fact that Yom Kippur illustrates the ark becoming the focal point at the EOW.
But it’s not going to be a fight over who gets their hands on the ark; God has full control of the ark. Also, this is not a message to worship the ark itself, as if it were inherently magical. The battle of Armageddon is a battle over the truth which the ark represents. And it’s not a physical war, except to the extent that the enemies of truth will use persecution and violence, just as they have done many times down through history (see John 16:2). But those defending the truth will have no need or desire to engage in any type of physical battle. Well then, if the battle of Armageddon is all about the ark of the covenant, and the truth that it is designed to represent, then it’s high time we figure out how to distinguish the true ark from the many counterfeit arks out there.
- I've never heard of Yom Kippur until the SIGNS. I don't know what this feast exactly means, I don't even know what the equivalent translation in Romanian language or if it can even be translated ... I need to search more on it as it seems so important.So from the start everything related to this Yom Kippur feast becomes hard, if not impossible for me to understand!
- Armageddon = "battle of truth" ----> reminded me of Michael's words: "TRUTH always prevails" and how he always fought for HIS truth to come out! which is also one of the purposes of his hoax
- "the true ark" versus "the many counterfeit arks" ----> could these "counterfeit arks" symbolize all the story versions fabricated by the tabloid media about MJ and his life? If not, what else do they mean??
- "throne on earth" versus "throne in heaven" ... (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/sorry-97812.gif)
SIGN 1 - section: 21. The Truth Will Prevail
For those who choose Michael’s side, Michael Himself has made this amazing promise, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne …” (Revelation 3:21; see 22:1-5; 1 Samuel 2:7,8; Matthew 25:31; 20:21-23; Mark 10:37-40). Yes, Lucifer got kicked out of heaven for demanding a seat upon God’s throne; he failed the test of faith. But for those who pass the test of faith, Jesus will give them the very same thing which Lucifer demanded, and yet never received—the privilege to sit on God’s throne! This is not a message of fear, it’s a message of faith, a faith that will conquer Lucifer and all who take sides with him. This is what the final battle is all about; the battle where faith and only faith will win the victory and prize: to sit with God on His throne—this is the battle, the final battle, the battle of Armageddon!!!!!!!
Ok, maybe what I'll say/ask here, will sound stupid, anyway I'll still say it: what is this strange battle for God's throne?? and "the privilege to sit on God’s throne!?" :animal0017: I mean ok, who wouldn't be honored, right? But to fight for it?
Frankly, I would be satisfied to even be somewhere around that "throne", I don't feel that much eager to actually "sit on the throne"!! or fight for it! loll It sounds so childish! If Satan was cast out of heaven for that, then he was so stupid!! lmao :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
But is this really about a physical throne?? Or is the throne a symbol of something more DEEP?? WHAT??
For SIGN 2, I was like reading 2 words, then looking in the dictionary for the next 3!! I couldn't make anything of it...
Here's a selection of what I did manage to understand though (not as meaning), but at least regarding the "division/classification" of furniture and festivals. But don't ask me what each means or what is the overall picture, 'cause I have absolutely NO idea!
SIGN #2: FURNITURE REPRESENTS FESTIVALS
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0
1. A Very Solid Foundation
This sign is about the 6 main pieces of furniture, which were in the sanctuary:
1. sacrifice altar,
2. laver,
3. candlestick,
4. showbread,
5. incense altar,
6. and ark of the covenant.
These pieces of furniture parallel directly with the yearly festivals, which God established as part of the sanctuary system:
1. Passover,
2. Wave Sheaf,
3. Pentecost,
4. Trumpets,
5. Yom Kippur,
6. Tabernacles.
The parallels are even in the same sequence—such as the first furniture (sacrifice altar) parallels with the first festival (Passover); this makes it very clear that all these parallels were planned by God, to teach important truths.
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3. Sanctuary Basics
We should start with a basic understand of the sanctuary system—including the 3 divisions
1. the court, and the two apartments in the tabernacle,
2. the 6 pieces of furniture (listed already),
3. and the 6 yearly festivals (listed already).
Everything in this study is listed as it was originally given by God, found in the Pentateuch (books of Moses). In later years, the Jews modified things somewhat; so we should examine what God originally gave, for the clearest representation of His way in the sanctuary.
-The “court” was surrounded by a linen fence or border, and was open or outdoors; the two main articles of furniture were the altar of sacrifice (made of brass), and the laver (also of brass).
-The “tabernacle” was basically a tent, and it did have a roof; it had two separate rooms, or two apartments.
-The first apartment had the table of showbread, the candlestick, and the altar of incense (all three made of gold);
- The second apartment had the ark of the covenant (also made of gold).
- The word “sanctuary” refers to the whole system (court, tabernacle, and related services).
- Everything in the earthly sanctuary system is often referred to as the “type” (or shadow); :icon_eek: and information about the type is found mainly in the Old Testament.
- Information about the “antitype” (or reality) is found mainly in the New Testament, including but not limited to statements about the heavenly sanctuary.
Information about the annual festivals can be found in various places throughout the Bible; however, the most complete list is found in Leviticus 23.
- The first 3 were in the spring (in type), and relate to the first Advent (in antitype);
- The last 3 were in the fall (in type), and relate to the second Advent (in antitype).
This cycle was repeated yearly in the type; the antitype goes through the same sequence as the type, but only one time (it’s never repeated). The gap of time between the spring and fall festivals represents the gap of time between the first and second Advents.
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(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/crie-tombe-4829.gif) (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/assome-etoiles.gif) :Crash:(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/assome-etoiles.gif)
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Was watching a thing on the historical Jesus and the original Christians last night and the documentary discussed how the original Christians were Jews and how circumcision (and baptism) was a requirement for becoming a follower of Jesus Christ, as it was said to be a covenant between God and followers (much like observing the Sabbath).
Years after Jesus's death, the early Christians relaxed this requirement in the interest of attracting new followers as the circumcision turned men off and made them reluctant to become Christians. Lol. Gee, imagine that. They kept baptism because it was not scary and drastic.
But all jokes aside, this topic evoked the thought-- if observance of the Sabbath being Saturday is direct from God, and MAN changed it over to Sunday, and we should be smart enough to recognize how it became bastardized, should not the ceremony of circumcision be adhered to as well?
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If MJ himself thought all of this was so deeply important, meaning direct translation of the Bible and keeping of original customs as preordained by God himself, why did he not arrange himself to be circumcised?
I mean, not to get too personal or anything, but it was one of the key pieces of evidence that exonerated MJ in the 2005 trial; that MJ was not circumcised and that the accuser described him as such=FAIL.
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Awwwww.... Sim; I didn't know you were dealing with Romanian. :-\
Did any of the videos I posted make any sense to you? Feel free to pm me with questions; I'll try to do my best. All the feasts & festivals are still a learning curve for me as they are with most Christians because we have forgotten the Jewish roots of our faith. Christianity is a sect of Judaism... the Roman Church is the once that changed things once the Apostles and their proteges died off.
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Is it possible to bring all religions together under one banner? Is it possible to see beyond religious methodology and simply embrace the One God?
JMO, but the short answer is no.... although i wish it wasnt the answer. this is because religion is a tool from the devil... also some religions practice things that are blatantly against god and have satanic involvement... so no, they cant be credited to embracing one god.... for some religions, especially those with pagan roots, their god (perhaps saldly unbeknownst to them) is satan himself....
so no. all religions can not be put under one banner....
on another note
a sign of the end according to the bible is gov turning on religion.... watch this space.....
this is when the BEAST (government world powers) turns on the harlot that is riding her.... (false religion)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SthCN_ZW0hU/TyosNybnjVI/AAAAAAAADc4/4ZEO4zOOCGs/s1600/MJ+2012+Mother-of-harlots.jpg)
sorry i know i know.... we are discussing festivals... my bad! :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135:
The initials are in the host stands for the Egyptian Trinity, Isis, Horus, and Seb. (in some hosts change "I" by a "J" to hide the true meaning) When Jesus Institute dinner, he left the bread into pieces, therefore they could not be round by magic. Used bread and wine as symbolic elements of his body and his blood. God forbade the Jews worship the Sun God. (Chronic 2 33: 4). Catholic worship (Catholic = universal) the only Christian element is the name of Jesus.
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@ Bec
I have found this about circumcision:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/circumcision.html
QUESTION: “I am almost 21 years old, and a relatively new Christian. I haven’t read the Old Testament yet, but I have read the New Testament. I am confused on whether or not as a Christian you have to be circumcised, because I am not. The New Testament confused me though, I can’t figure out if I need to be physically circumcised… I guess the question short and sweet is: Do I need to get circumcised to get into heaven?”
No, you most certainly do NOT have to be circumcised to get into heaven. This issue was resolved long ago by the apostle Paul and the early Church. Circumcision has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation. It is one of many Old Testament requirements that ended the moment that Jesus Christ died for our sins. Circumcision had to do with the Old Testament relationship between God and the Jews. (See: Circumcision) It has never been a requirement for Christians.
The primary reason this subject is discussed in the New Testament is because of confusion in the early Church among some Jews that had become Christians. At one point, some tried to pressure Titus, a Greek Christian friend of Paul, into being circumcised. (See: Titus) In reality, this was only the beginning of the demands of the Judaizers; they wanted him and all other Christians to practice ALL the other requirements of Jewish law, as well. In a council meeting in Jerusalem, Paul and Barnabas convinced the Jewish Christians of the very dangerous error in this kind of thinking (Acts 15). Thereafter, the Church took a strong stand against requiring circumcision.
First Corinthians 7 makes it clear that if an uncircumcised man becomes a Christian, he is not to have himself circumcised (at least not for religious reasons) (1 Corinthians 7:18). To do so would be a bad testimony to others, as it tends to indicate that the person believes that circumcision is a requirement of Christianity. It is not. To claim that any work of man is required for salvation is heresy. Salvation is by grace, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Circumcision means nothing to God, since Christ’s death (see Acts 6:15; 1 Corinthians 7:19).
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9, NIV).
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Aussie, Revelation 12 with the story of Satan kicked out of heaven is, according to The Sign, something that happened thousands of years ago, but only there to explain the coming end time events.
Your 1914 date kinda reminds me of the date the Seventh Day Adventist focus on—the William Miller calculations from the Great Pyramid’s inner measurements representing historical time in years. This whole article is a helpful read on predictions concerning 1914 from a critical standpoint, that numerology can and has been used for many theories.
http://www.jehovahswitnesstruth.com/1914.htm
"So, then, if we measure backward down the 'First Ascending Passage' to its junction with the 'Entrance Passage,' we shall have a fixed date to mark upon the downward passage. This measure is 1542 inches, and indicates the year B.C. 1542, as the date at that point. Then measuring down the 'Entrance Passage' from that point, to find the distance to the entrance of the 'Pit,' representing the great trouble and destruction with which this age is to close, when evil will be overthrown from power, we find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years from the above date, B.C. 1542. This calculation shows AD. 1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1915 years AD. equals 3457 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble such as was not since there was a nation -- no, nor ever shall be afterward. And thus it will be noted that this 'Witness' fully corroborates the' Bible testimony on this subject. {Thy Kingdom Come 1910 edition pg. 342.}
It’s interesting that so far, I find no-where does anyone link the feasts to Sanctuary furniture to events related to Jesus, in quite the same way that The Sign does. This is from one of the videos MsTrinity333 posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLbV5OgKFA&feature=related
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jewishfeas.jpg)
Bec, I love your dry sense of humor!
Yep, lots of irony in MJ’s “state”. Apostle Paul teaches it is not necessary for Christians. Although we got our boys done right after birth (seemed right at the time).
"Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying 'You must be circumcised and keep the law' - to whom we gave no such commandment - ...
"... it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
"That you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and, from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."
http://www.circumstitions.com/Xy.html
MsTrinity333
we have forgotten the Jewish roots of our faith. Christianity is a sect of Judaism.
I respectfully disagree! Jesus was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah, and a Judean from the political land of Judea. He was not a ‘Jew’, who follows the religion of Judaism, coming from Pharisaism who came from Edomites, who came from Esau the brother of Jacob, the father of the 12 tribes of the Israelites IMO. It is a modern deliberate mistranslation and deception put into the Bible since the original King James Version and perhaps long before. Eventually all 12 tribes will be united. Again IMO.
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Simpa, bless yo litl ol heart! I love your thoughts on the Signs! Please keep them coming! :woohoo2:
Sign 1, s.7
So the battle of Armageddon is the same battle which Lucifer started in heaven; it’s going to come full circle, and end up where it all started: the battle over God’s throne, the ark of the covenant! And this also fits perfectly with the fact that Yom Kippur illustrates the ark becoming the focal point at the EOW.
But it’s not going to be a fight over who gets their hands on the ark; God has full control of the ark. Also, this is not a message to worship the ark itself, as if it were inherently magical. The battle of Armageddon is a battle over the truth which the ark represents. And it’s not a physical war, except to the extent that the enemies of truth will use persecution and violence, just as they have done many times down through history (see John 16:2). But those defending the truth will have no need or desire to engage in any type of physical battle.
S. 21
This is not a message of fear, it’s a message of faith, a faith that will conquer Lucifer and all who take sides with him. This is what the final battle is all about; the battle where faith and only faith will win the victory and prize: to sit with God on His throne—this is the battle, the final battle, the battle of Armageddon!!!!!!!
I’m relieved it’s not a physical battle, because I don’t believe Michael would ever endorse violence.
Simpa
- Armageddon = "battle of truth" ----> reminded me of Michael's words: "TRUTH always prevails" and how he always fought for HIS truth to come out! which is also one of the purposes of his hoax
- "the true ark" versus "the many counterfeit arks" ----> could these "counterfeit arks" symbolize all the story versions fabricated by the tabloid media about MJ and his life? If not, what else do they mean??
- "throne on earth" versus "throne in heaven" ...
Makes me wonder how many more “true” this and “false” that modern understandings, there isn’t also from in the Bible besides the Ark of the Covenant. It's like a special 'key' is needed to understand the Bible as it relates to today and our future. Remember the painting of Michael holding the book with the key?
That's why I'm looking so forward to the next Signs!! TS :icon_razz: :icon_e_wink:
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Awwwww.... Sim; I didn't know you were dealing with Romanian. :-\
Did any of the videos I posted make any sense to you? Feel free to pm me with questions; I'll try to do my best. All the feasts & festivals are still a learning curve for me as they are with most Christians because we have forgotten the Jewish roots of our faith. Christianity is a sect of Judaism... the Roman Church is the once that changed things once the Apostles and their proteges died off.
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Thank you , MsTrinity333, you're too kind... For now I only managed to read the 2 SIGNS several times... I didn't want to 'charge' my mind with any more additional information yet, as I find these first 2 SIGN already too much for me loll
But I keep watching the 2 threads and when I am prepared I'll 'dig" into the videos posted here and there, too....
Instead of additional links and videos, I was more hoping for a group -analysis (brainstorming) , here on the threads, dissecting the SIGNS line by line! by those who are already able to understand some more of it than others...
I think I need to read SIGN 2 a couple of more times.... besides the first sections where it is explained how this system of the sanctuary is built/divided, well...the rest didn't make any sens to me ....
What is this sanctuary with furniture and all these parallels to festivals that I have never heard of before? type and anti-type ? :icon_eek: :confused:
Strangely enough , this ^^ type vs anti-type stuff made me think of the illusion aspect of the hoax: reality vs. illusion; real events vs. movie (hoax) events ...
Re-reading the SIGNS... I feel like a stupid lil' kid listening to grown ups discussions and not being able to understand a thing... :icon_lol: who then asks all the impossible questions about all the details :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Simpa, bless yo litl ol heart! I love your thoughts on the Signs! Please keep them coming! :woohoo2:
Well... thank you, dear, that's at least encouraging loll as I was already a bit afraid of sounding too ignorant or even stupid with regards to my ZERO knowledge in religion... Therefore I don't even trust my own thoughts on this... I frankly just throw them here with the hope that someone either helps me make any sense of them or just makes me understand what is wrong or good...
Simpa
- Armageddon = "battle of truth" ----> reminded me of Michael's words: "TRUTH always prevails" and how he always fought for HIS truth to come out! which is also one of the purposes of his hoax
- "the true ark" versus "the many counterfeit arks" ----> could these "counterfeit arks" symbolize all the story versions fabricated by the tabloid media about MJ and his life? If not, what else do they mean??
- "throne on earth" versus "throne in heaven" ...
Makes me wonder how many more “true” this and “false” that modern understandings, there isn’t also from in the Bible besides the Ark of the Covenant. It's like a special 'key' is needed to understand the Bible as it relates to today and our future. Remember the painting of Michael holding the book with the key?
That's why I'm looking so forward to the next Signs!! TS :icon_razz: :icon_e_wink:
Especially because of these fears and doubts about how well the Bible was translated...i always hesitated to read it... I've always thought what good breaking my head trying to understand a text ...already dual and subtle in meaning, only to discover later that it wasn't even the original meaning intended!!??
Ok, a good part of the Bible may be correctly translated, but who knows what parts are wrong!? And are they wrong by human error? or because 'someone" had an interest? And who knows who to trust when it comes to Bible - texts explanations?? this is so complicated...
We can't trust religions.... we can't trust priests, we can't trust the Bible (being well translated), then my only FULL, complete TRUST goes to GOD and only HIM!
And I really hope these SIGNS are posted in relation to the hoax, because if they are exclusively posted for a religious purpose, then I'm afraid they won't help me much... I don't know how much they help others, but so far, for me ... no sense at all! I hope the next signs will bring more light in here!
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Jesus was Born a Jew
Jesus is a real, historical person, born in the Land of Israel, during the Roman occupation, in approximately the year 3 BCE. However, at the time His name was actually pronounced, "Yeshua," and that is the name used in this article.
That Yeshua was born Jewish is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. The very first verse of the New Covenant reads: The book of the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua ("Jesus Christ"), the son of David, the son of Abraham (Matt. 1:1). Who were Abraham and David?
(Cont)...
Nevertheless, according to the Bible, the Messiah must be descended from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10) as King David was (1Sam. 17:12, 1Ch. 28:4) and descended from King David himself (2Sam. 7:12-13, Isa. 9:6-7, Jer. 23:5-6). That is why the Messiah is called Son of David (Matt. 21:9).
Yeshua (Jesus) is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).
In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses' brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.
http://jesusisajew.org/Jesus_is_a_Jew.php
Question: "Was Jesus a Jew?"
Answer: One needs only to search the internet today to determine that there is great controversy and disagreement over the question of whether Jesus of Nazareth was actually Jewish. Before we can answer this question adequately, we must first ask another question: who (or what) is a Jew?... http://www.gotquestions.org/was-Jesus-a-Jew.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/bornliveddied.html
Was Jesus a Jew?
Discovering the Jewish Jesus
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/was-jesus-a-jew/
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Considering that April 5th is Nisan 14, I coridally invite all on the forum to attend an event...
Details are here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22463.msg396716/topicseen.html#new
Its short notice I know. Apologies. But that is why I am posting in the two most popular threads, so that if you are interested you dont find out late.
well wishes to all
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And yet again I throw my hands in the air and give up on this topic, because the truth depends on who you listen to... and The Sign ain't talking.
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And yet again I throw my hands in the air and give up on this topic, because the truth depends on who you listen to... and The Sign ain't talking.
the sign is mute >:( >:( >:(
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And yet again I throw my hands in the air and give up on this topic, because the truth depends on who you listen to... and The Sign ain't talking.
the sign is mute >:( >:( >:(
ok ok yes I realize that's how the whole hoax is set up, yes yes I get the irony of my statement.
*bec wanders off muttering to herself*
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This is an interesting article. It talks about the throne, ark,etc.
http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm (http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm)
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This is an interesting article. It talks about the throne, ark,etc.
http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm (http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm)
Wow, super long, and detailed! I've saved it to read more later. Good thing TS isn't this long-winded! :-[
MsTrinity333, I guess we prefer different sources on the Jesus identity. Mine is an alternative view. :icon_e_wink:
Blessings!
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.msg328#msg328
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I have a question ..
Through the sacrifice of Jesus, God gave his people the gift of grace / forgiveness of sins. Is that the time when Lucifer was cast out from Heaven?
Good question and I'm probably not the best one to even comment on it....but I do believe there is another verse in Revelation (?)...where the vision shows Satan falling to earth like a lightening bolt...and I think this occurs in the vision after Jesus' crucifixion/sacrifice. If someone who is better versed in the Bible can shed light on this or give their interpretation, that would help.
I've been all over the place since TS posted the 2nd Sign lol....I start reading/researching one thing and end up on a completely different path (which is part of the reason why I love TS' posts....they lead to many wonderful paths ::P).
What I'm getting confused over has to do with the significance of Jesus' sacrifice...precisely, what the 'act' itself fulfilled. If we take the OT as literal...then God asked for both an Ark and a sanctuary/tabernacle to be built so that He could 'dwell' among His people. Both were to be 'proof' of His existence for the people....i.e. God knew they needed these 'objects' in order to believe in Him. What confuses me is....didn't Jesus eliminate/replace/fulfill the meaning or necessity of these objects? Weren't these objects no longer necessary as 'proof' or as ways in which God could 'dwell' among people....since Jesus was the proof and the way? If so, then why would these objects 'reappear' before the end of times? It's almost like God would be taking a few steps back in the grand plan....i.e. He first used the objects as proof, He then sent His Son as proof...and now He's gonna 'resend' the objects again as proof? It just seems too confusing...and based on several passages I've read, God is not one to confuse....but rather, the (d)evil always aims at confusion and deception.
So, I'm torn in my understanding as to whether TS is trying to show us Signs that will be appearing by God's will (i.e. God inspired)...or if he's trying to open our eyes to possible deceit/deception that will be used by the (d)evil powers to make us believe these Signs are, in fact, coming from God.
Is there Bible passages that show that the physical objects (actual 'things) of the Ark and the sanctuary will 'reappear' at the end of times? I'm asking because I don't know...what I do know is that there is mention (in the visions) of both the Ark and God's sanctuary being seen in Heaven, not earth. And there's also mention that the devil will crank up the deception before Jesus' return. Does this deception have anything to do with what TS is trying to show us with these Signs (i.e. the Signs we will see ARE the deception, coming from the evil side)...or are these Signs our 'armor' that will help us see the deceit when/if it happens (i.e. the Signs are God's way of showing us His plan as 'proof' of His hand in the events to come)?. I don't know the Bible nearly as well as others here....so again, any insight/direction would help ease a discombobulated mind :?
With L.O.V.E. always.
the death of christ and the banishment of satan and demons to earth was at two different times.
death of christ was between (according to scholars) 30-36 AD. the banishment of satan from heaven... well there are several viewpoints. i personally belive that this was in 1914.
here is why... but again, my belief only. i am sure there are others who think different...
1914—A Significant Year in Bible Prophecy
DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?
As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations [“the times of the Gentiles,” King James Version] are fulfilled.” Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nation—the seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on “God’s throne” as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Gods’s rulership.
How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be “trampled on by the nations”? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. “God’s throne” became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this ‘trampling’ go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalem’s last king, Zedekiah: “Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.” (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has “the legal right” to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the ‘trampling’ would end when Jesus became King.
When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: “Let seven times pass over it.”—Daniel 4:10-16.
In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how God’s rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ would be temporary—a period of “seven times.” How long a period is that?
Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years.
The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.
Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
*From October 607 B.C.E. to October 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. Since there is no zero year, from October 1 B.C.E. to October 1914 C.E. is 1,914 years. By adding 606 years and 1,914 years, we get 2,520 years.
Jesus Christ became King in heaven in the year 1914. (Daniel 7:13, 14) Soon after he received Kingdom power, Jesus took action. “War broke out in heaven,” says the Bible. “Michael [another name for Jesus] and his angels battled with the dragon [Satan the Devil], and the dragon and its angels battled.” Satan and his wicked angels, the demons, lost that war and were cast out of heaven to the earth. God’s faithful spirit sons rejoiced that Satan and his demons were gone. Humans, however, would experience no such joy. Instead, the Bible foretold: “Woe for the earth . . . because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Revelation 12:7, 9, 12.
hope this helps...
Thanks to all who answered to my question.
Just to share another point of view (I'm not saying you're wrong :icon_neutral:) I quote a piece from a biblical commentary which says how the death of Jesus as an atoning sacrifice has kicked out the devil by the presence of God
Rev12:10 ...For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
Until the accuser of the faithful was not silenced, until he could invoke against them the law of God, their salvation could not be said to be safe. But Christ being come a High Priest who offered himself without blemish to God as a propitiation for the sins of the world, the law has been satisfied, the conscience has been freed by God's forgiveness, and the faithful can say with Paul: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus... Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us" (Romans 8:1,33-34).
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I am not even sure it's on topic.
Anyway, I guess there wasn't too much to be said about Sign 2.
Sign 3 coming soon I hope.
Maybe around Easter??
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nefertari
Just to share another point of view (I'm not saying you're wrong ) I quote a piece from a biblical commentary which says how the death of Jesus as an atoning sacrifice has kicked out the devil by the presence of God
Here's a few other discussions online.
Fall of Satan in the beginning.
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/satanfal.htm
Sometime after creation of man.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html
Satan fell into rebellion before creation and fell from power at Christ’s death/resurrection. Quotes the verses you gave.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2006/01-23a.htm
Gina, yes it's to do with:
The Sign S. 15.
Although there is a general chronological flow going through the book of Revelation, every verse is not given in a chronological order—nor does it mean that every verse in this Yom Kippur division is fulfilled near the end of time. But it does mean that the subject matter in this part of Revelation relates especially to our time, and is even more important for us than the other parts of Revelation.
For example, Revelation 12 is in the Yom Kippur division; and yet it has the story of Satan being cast out of heaven (see 12:4,7-8). This happened thousands of years ago, not during the time of the end that we are living in; but it is included in the Yom Kippur division, because understandingwhy Satan was kicked out is crucial to understanding the issues for the end of the world—including and especially the battle of Armageddon (see Sign #1, www.AnointedArk.com).
He is saying that the events John the Apostle is talking about are happening in his future or our time NOW, but the banishment of Satan "thousand of years ago", would still refer to Jesus' time (2000 years ago) as well as many thousands from the creation of the world time.
So much symbolism, legalities, and trying to match the spiritial realm to the physical earthly realm. :screaming-7365:
It's a very good question!
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I don't know if this will help in any way at all, and I have to leave for work shortly.
For me, the thing that is different about Sign #2's info is the linking of 3 different significant areas of Scriptural pictures or teaching themes together. It’s simply never been done before that I know of. Oh there’s lots of studies of Moses' Tabernacle/Solomon's Temple and how they relate to Christ. There's lots on the Feasts that God through Moses gave to the Israelites, and how they relate to Christ. There's lots on Revelation’s sections, symbolism, and series of 7's, and how they relate to the church, Christ and end times. He packages it all nicely and simply. Believe me, volumes have been written on these 3 topics. His is VERY to the point.
He links:
sacrifice altar, laver, candlestick, showbread, incense altar, and ark of the covenant
to
Passover, Wave Sheaf, Pentecost, Trumpets, Yom Kippur, Tabernacles
to
7 divisions in Revelation.
It all gives a sense of the perfection of the Bible, and the single Author (God) behind all the separate books written thousands of years apart by inspired humans, and relating to our world today in 2012.
I loved it very much! :)
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I probably don't understand but to me the connections are a little forced.
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And yet again I throw my hands in the air and give up on this topic, because the truth depends on who you listen to... and The Sign ain't talking.
the sign is mute >:( >:( >:(
The sign is preparing easter eggs........
I'll be searching this sunday in the woods....
Hope i won't step on one..... :moonwalk_:
;D
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Each of the seven feasts of the Lord had to do with the service of sacrifices, and thus, with the sanctuary of the Tabernacle, and later, with the temple. Three of the seven parties were parties of pilgrimage, during which the town was going to the sanctuary of God in Jerusalem.
But parties also had a folk and human side.
They were:
1 parties to meet
2. public and joy festivals
3. thanks for the harvest festivals.
In Leviticus 23: 39 - 40, among other things, says: "... When you've collected the fruit of the Earth, you celebraréis the feast of the Lord for seven days... and you Aye before the Lord your God for seven days."
If it's the seven festivals of the Eternal God, then also there must be an eternal meaning in them. The first four holidays falling in the spring: Pessach, bread without yeast, first sheaf and Pentecost (Shavuoth). We have clear in its prophetic and eternal meaning. They have found its fulfillment in the first coming of the Messiah of God, Jesus, his death and resurrection, in his life without sin as well as in Pentecost and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the foundation of the Church of Jesus, the people of God in the spirit. But what meaning do the three feasts of the Lord in the fall? They have their prophetic significance in the return of Jesus and in recent times.
In retrospect, everything is clear about the first four festivals, and is amazing with how much accuracy was everything. The same accuracy is also expected of the three prophetic festivals that are before us. The interesting thing now is, that the first of the three autumn festivities begin with the day of trumpets (Lev. 23: 23-25). It is the only one about which does not give any explanation. Perhaps that is the reason why most forward, after the destruction of the temple, it became the day of new year (Ros Hasana), whilst the biblical calendar beginning with the spring. But as the year sabbatical and Jubilee was proclaimed with the celebrations of the fall, generally the beginning of the year for this station had changed. The day of trumpets is also the only day that falls on new moon, i.e., on a dark night! Here it says that on that day they should rejoice. It is a mysterious day and no doubt prophetically symbolizes the beginning of the events of recent times, which suddenly befall on this earth, thus beginning the darkest time. Some believe find therein the Rapture. But that seems not harmonize with the nature of the day. But you have to somehow find their place here.
The day of Trumpets was followed by the great day of reconciliation, which indicates the return of Jesus to this earth — the heavenly high priest, who returns from the most Holy célico to give executive power to the sacrifice of redemption and to reconcile with the remainder of Israel and of Nations. He will then establish his Heavenly Kingdom which is prophetically indicated by the joyful feast of the Tabernacles.
Until that comes to occur, the feast of reconciliation (Yom Kippur ) remains the most important day of the Jewish worship, during which much of the people done fasting and introspection, as it says in Leviticus: 23: 29: "If someone is not humiliated on this same day, will be cut from his people". "
Want God give his people a spirit of humble themselves and put in front of him
The feast of the Tabernacles, is found in Leviticus 23: 33-34, takes place five days after Yom Kippur war and is the last of the seven feasts of the Lord. Such as the first, it falls on the 15th day of the month, and, with this, in full moon. I.e., that is located just six months between Passover, the feast of the loaves without leudar, in spring, and the feast of the Tabernacles, in autumn, both 7-day.
Firstly, it should be another feast of gratitude for the crop, because it just falls in autumn, in the time that the last fruits are collected before the heavy rains of winter (v. 39).
Secondly, there should be a memorial of when God had guided Israel outside Egypt, freeing them from the slavery of Pharaoh, and when the Israelites had lived 40 years in stores or in tents. Why, every year, during the seven days of celebration, should live in tents, so their offspring do not forget the great work of God.
Thirdly, is a celebration of joy. It is the only one of the seven festivals, in which God you sent expressly to his people he rejoice before the Lord (v. 40); This means be joyful before God for the blessing of the harvest, the work carried out and for the release. This joy is part of all the people (Deuteronomy 12:7; 12; 18).
This celebration, along with Passover and Shavoth (Pentecost), part of the three festivals rise - where peregrina into the sanctuary, for the sacrifices and rejoice before God.
Prophetically, this feast refers to the coming Kingdom of God on Earth, when the old Pharaoh, Satanás, will be tied and the redeemed in Christ will be resurrected and entered the Kingdom of God. Just then there of imperturbable and an absolute joy.
The four days between Yom Kippur and the feast of the Tabernacles, symbolically, they point out that the return of Christ with great power and glory, not will begin immediately the Kingdom of peace, but that before, the Antichrist and his army have to be annihilated (Revelation 19: 19-21).
Then, will take place the judgment of the Nations, which will decide which of them, that have survived the 42 months of the power of the Antichrist, they will enter the Kingdom of God and what not (cf. Matthew 25: 31-46). The annihilation of the Antichrist and his army as the separation of the Nations, have to be searched (75) 30-45 days in Daniel 12: 11-12, where that has waited 1,335 days, i.e. 75 days of the 1,260 days in which Israel will be protected by God in the desert will be blessed (Revelation 12: 6 - 14).
The fact that the death and resurrection of Jesus, and the subsequent outpouring of the Holy Spirit, occurred precisely one of feast days, it can be assumed that the last seven years (the week 70 Daniel) begin with Rosh Hashanah, or the day of trumpets, and that the return of Jesus, in great power and glory, for the establishment of his Kingdomseven years later, likely to occur on the day of Yom Kippur.
"... how not must you walk in Holy and pious way of life, waiting and hurrying you... for the coming of the day of God!" "(2 Peter 3: 11-12)."
http://www.llamadaweb.org/view.php?id=1625
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I probably don't understand but to me the connections are a little forced.
IMO, every connection he made, made clear sense with verses to unmistakably to prove it. I know those verses he gave.
It was brilliant IMO.
Paula, your article linked the 3 areas generally, but what The Sign did was very specific matching.
1 = 1 = 1
2 = 2 = 2
3 = 3 = 3
4 = 4 = 4
5 = 5 = 5
6 = 6 = 6
7 = 7 = 7 type thing. :icon_e_biggrin:
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He links:
sacrifice altar, laver, candlestick, showbread, incense altar, and ark of the covenant
to Passover, Wave Sheaf, Pentecost, Trumpets, Yom Kippur, Tabernacles
to
7 divisions in Revelation.
That makes 6 = 6 = 7.
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This is an interesting article. It talks about the throne, ark,etc.
http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm (http://ichthys.com/Tribulation-Part2B.htm)
Wow, super long, and detailed! I've saved it to read more later. Good thing TS isn't this long-winded! :-[
MsTrinity333, I guess we prefer different sources on the Jesus identity. Mine is an alternative view. :icon_e_wink:
Blessings!
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.msg328#msg328
Great site on the Tribulation Lovebug... I meant to inc it on my previous post concerning the feasts & furniture but I lost it! Glad you found it. :th_bravo:
Here's some info on Jesus' genealogy:
Orthodox Rabbi Reveals Name of Messiah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DTT3u2JZ8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DTT3u2JZ8&feature=related)
The Genealogy from Adam to Jesus Christ http://www.ldolphin.org/2adams.html (http://www.ldolphin.org/2adams.html)
The Genealogy of Jesus - K-House Personal http://castroller.com/Podcasts/ChuckMissler/2794865 (http://castroller.com/Podcasts/ChuckMissler/2794865)
Gospel of Christ in Genesis:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7gcOsMnyCY[/youtube]
What Are The Odds Statistically:
Chuck Missler shares what the odds are of any man fulfilling the many prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the coming and promised Messiah. The conclusion is amazing. Part 1/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jY15Y8-_Fk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jY15Y8-_Fk&feature=related)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jY15Y8-_Fk[/youtube]
Happy Passover & Resurrection Day to all
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As interesting as Sign#2 is… I’m hoping to see sign#3 for Passover. :icon_mrgreen:
Lately I've been thinking more about 'Forsaking All I Trust Him'. "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1)
Great site with verses about keeping the faith http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/faith.htm (http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/faith.htm)
Jesus said, "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you"
(John 15:19). Because this is true, faith is absolutely essential for our journey.
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MJonMind,
I also loved the connections TS gave. The physical objects linked to the festivals/feast days which are linked to the 7 parts of the book of revelation. I wouldn't have been able to do it myself.
The spring feasts were practice for the first coming of Christ. The fall feasts are expected to be practice for the second coming. Yom Kippur seems to be of importance. The question is, which year ? We have to read the book of revelations to get the information about the moon, stars, and sun.
There are versus about the moon,stars,sun in the book of revelations. There are blood moons, eclipse's of the sun and moon predicted for 2015-2016.
Also, I have seen videos/predictions about no sun, moon, stars from December 22-25, 2012 ???
:bearhug:
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Thank you all for your comments ^^.... they helped me understand a bit more Sign 2...
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He links:
sacrifice altar, laver, candlestick, showbread, incense altar, and ark of the covenant
to Passover, Wave Sheaf, Pentecost, Trumpets, Yom Kippur, Tabernacles
to
7 divisions in Revelation.
That makes 6 = 6 = 7.
Grace, you drew attention to an interesting/important point that I dug a little more into.
He breaks down the matching in a special yet accurate/amazing way, actually 6 = 6 = 7 like you say.
1. Sacrifice Altar = Passover = Introduction, Revelation 1:1-3
2. Laver = Wave Sheaf = Seven Churches, Revelation 1:4 - 3:22
3. Candlestick and Showbread = Pentecost (2 furniture for 1 place, and he explains why:) = Seven Seals, Revelation 4:1 - 7:17
Type:
Leviticus 23:16-20, “Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days [in Greek, Pentecost] … Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven … And ye shall offer with the bread … an offering made by fire … And the priest shall wave them with the bread …” (see Exodus 26:35; Ezekiel 8:16).
Antitype:
Acts 2:1-4, “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come [fifty days after the resurrection of the Wave Sheaf, Christ] … there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Furniture:
The candlestick quite obviously parallels with the tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost. Perhaps not as obvious, though, is the fact that the showbread (in type) represents the word of God (in antitype): “… man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4; see Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; John 6:1-68).
Pentecost is the first time when the disciples and apostles received their prophetic gift, speaking the word of God under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The entire NT was written under this prophetic gift, which began on the day of Pentecost. After Jesus went back to heaven, and before the day of Pentecost, the disciples did not have the spoken word of God (because Jesus was not here on earth anymore, and none of them had the prophetic gift yet); so they had to cast lots, in order to make an important decision (see Acts chapter 1).
4. Incense Altar = Trumpets = Seven Trumpets, Revelation 8:1 - 11:19
5. Ark = Yom Kippur = Yom Kippur, Revelation 12:1 to 14:20
6. Booths = Tabernacles (Booths not actually furniture and he explains why below:) = Seven Plagues, Revelation 15:1 - 22:5
7. ?? = ?? Conclusion, Revelation 22:6-21
There are no more articles of furniture in the sanctuary, after the ark; so the Feast of Tabernacles does not parallel directly with any specific furniture in the sanctuary. Instead, it parallels with the booths (or tents) that were set up, for this final festival, outside the sanctuary. The courtyard was way too small to fit all the Israelites living in booths, for seven days; so the booths had to be outside the sanctuary (see Nehemiah 8:14-17).
And why did God design this festival to be outside the sanctuary? Because the sanctuary illustrates the steps in the plan of salvation. The Feast of Tabernacles does not represent any of the steps on the way to salvation; instead, it represents the accomplishment of salvation—beyond the sanctuary! And this will be a time to “rejoice” (John 4:36), for those who pass Yom Kippur without being “cut off” (see Leviticus 23:29,30).
Now it is interesting to me that it seems he left out the Feast of Unleavened Bread which links to Jesus' burial according to this video study. This would have made it 7 feasts, and TS chose to keep it at 6. Hmm..? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLbV5OgKFA&feature=related See my screen-shot of the feasts they list. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22330.msg396660.html#msg396660
Some sites seem to indicate that the Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread are separate and some almost combine them, as in this verse in Mark 14:1.
Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill him.
This site makes 7 tabernacle furniture by separating the Ark of the Covenant and the Mercy Seat which is really part of it.
The smaller book, The Seven Furnishings of the Tabernacle, has to do only with the seven holy furnishings: the Altar of Burnt Offering, the Laver, the Table of Showbread, the Lampstand, the Altar of Incense, the Ark of the Covenant, and the Mercy Seat.
http://www.wor.org/Books/s/Sevfurn.htm
So, Grace, I'm so glad you brought that up! It seems it's difficult to make it 7 = 7 = 7. The Sign does mention in the first paragraph that he is matching 6 pieces of furniture with 6 feasts and later on with 7 divisions of Revelation. So as with most interpretations of the Bible, there's challenges to perfect pat answers, and further explanations are always needed.
TS, I hope I didn't explain this wrong. My apologies if I did. :)
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There's probably still more to 6 = 6 = 7.
The question is allowed why there's 6 when there should be 7 (for making up 777) - either we are missing something important or it does not exist.
If it should be in fact only 6 = 6 = 6 which should be turned into 9 = 9 = 9 then an addendum is required.
By whom?
The attached table I set up should not be read like one line from left to right.
Rather I wanted to look back at the structures given so far and put it into columns.
The last line is giving additional context information.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7075/7053985561_61ebe4c6c8_c.jpg)
The mentioned Jewish feasts are corresponding to these:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jewishfeas.jpg)
Song structure:
"This is it" movie 24 songs
"This is it" soundtrack 16 songs (+4 tracks on disk II)
Leaked songs: "A Place With No Name", "Opis None" and various "making of" raw / early version songs of "Michael"
"Michael" soundtrack 10 songs
"Immortal" soundtrack 20 songs (partially in medley making it 28 songs + J5 medley)
EDIT: I forgot (how could I...) "All in Your Name". Snippets, "making of", full song published to fans.
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:omg: MjonMind and Grace , girls you're amazing !!! :th_bravo:
I don't know how you came to these analyses, but it looks great!!
I still don't understand everything.... but what you wrote seems to make some more sense than I could make of the Signs!!
Thank you so much for your effort and for sharing this !!
blessings to you :bearhug:
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TS , wherever you are, please give us a hint :bowdown:
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Grace, it could well be that it should be either 777 or 666 converted to 999. But as usual TS/The Sign is deliberate about everything.
He could easily have stretched the furniture and feasts to 7 each, so why didn't he? Most would have.
TS? Any answers would be appreciated. :bowdown:
Is this supposed to be a mystery to leave us hanging, just like Level 7 uncompleted?
It leaves us digging and speculating and interested. :compute: :computer-losy-smiley: :Crash: :icon_geek:
Also it is believed the earth's re-creation and genetic placing of mankind/reseeding on life on earth, is 6000 years and the 7th is the millennial reign of Christ. The Biblical Genesis account is 6 creation days and God rested on the 7th. The 4th commandment is the 'Keep the Sabbath holy' (Why didn't they make it the 7th commandment :icon_e_wink:). Then there's all the many other sevens, and other numerical patterns in the Bible to consider. We have discussed many of them.
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I am lost.
Yom Kippur (nb. 5) symbolizes the end of the world.
Tabernacles (nb. 6) symbolizes the resurrection of the dead ....?
So what else can nb. 7 be than the heaven of God? Well again I am not sure, but 7 is the number of completion.
What's this all about in fact? The big picture is that Adam and Eve were cast out of Paradise but finally humans are saved and brought back to eternal life in spiritual bodies. Well, at least part of them.
I am curious...is any of you sure he/she will be saved when the day comes?
ps: I really try to understand but it's difficult for me.
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[...]ps: I really try to understand but it's difficult for me.
idem!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0034.gif)
I have this feeling that we are meant to discover the meaning by ourselves.... without any help... for a reason or another!
Maybe this way... when this will all end, TS needs to prove that we were not indoctrinated by him?? that he only told us where to look and we found our way all alone towards the "sanctuary" of clues?
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great posts grace! :smiley_abuv:
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I been lost since he posted Sign 1.
I wanna know why we are not deserving of interactive Bible Study.
If this is so important, why do you, TS, appear to not give a rat's ass if we understand it or not?
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Faith and perseverance people.
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HMMM. I was hoping for a Sign 3 today...but not yet.
Maybe Sign 3 will bring some light over this Sign 2 which was very difficult and really brand new information for me. I mean the part about the Jewish festivals (except Passover - I knew nothing about the rest of them, not even about their existence). Well TS mentioned Yom Kippur before, to be honest, but the rest of them I've never heard of them before.
Who would have guessed a few years ago that we'll be heading this way ?
I think TS doesn't join us on this thread because she already explained it all in the original post and there's nothing more to be added.
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Time for the next Sign (#2).
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0 (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCCnxBos10&ob=av2e[/youtube]
Hey TS-
Letting you know I have read sign 2. I appreciate the time you take to write out the lessons. You made the furniture, feasts, etc. very easy for me to understand. I never knew anything about that. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
Have a peaceful Passover.
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What's this all about in fact? The big picture is that Adam and Eve were cast out of Paradise but finally humans are saved and brought back to eternal life in spiritual bodies. Well, at least part of them.
I am curious...is any of you sure he/she will be saved when the day comes?
Absolutely. :)
John 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;
This whole page has some great scriptures & commentary on the above.
http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm (http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm)
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nefertari
Just to share another point of view (I'm not saying you're wrong ) I quote a piece from a biblical commentary which says how the death of Jesus as an atoning sacrifice has kicked out the devil by the presence of God
Here's a few other discussions online.
Fall of Satan in the beginning.
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/satanfal.htm
Sometime after creation of man.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html
Satan fell into rebellion before creation and fell from power at Christ’s death/resurrection. Quotes the verses you gave.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2006/01-23a.htm
Gina, yes it's to do with:
The Sign S. 15.
Although there is a general chronological flow going through the book of Revelation, every verse is not given in a chronological order—nor does it mean that every verse in this Yom Kippur division is fulfilled near the end of time. But it does mean that the subject matter in this part of Revelation relates especially to our time, and is even more important for us than the other parts of Revelation.
For example, Revelation 12 is in the Yom Kippur division; and yet it has the story of Satan being cast out of heaven (see 12:4,7-8). This happened thousands of years ago, not during the time of the end that we are living in; but it is included in the Yom Kippur division, because understandingwhy Satan was kicked out is crucial to understanding the issues for the end of the world—including and especially the battle of Armageddon (see Sign #1, www.AnointedArk.com).
He is saying that the events John the Apostle is talking about are happening in his future or our time NOW, but the banishment of Satan "thousand of years ago", would still refer to Jesus' time (2000 years ago) as well as many thousands from the creation of the world time.
So much symbolism, legalities, and trying to match the spiritial realm to the physical earthly realm. :screaming-7365:
It's a very good question!
Thanks
Excuse me, I know I could bore you with this matter so I took advantage of a moment of quiet on this thread so as not to interrupt your conversation which, however, I follow with great interest.
MJonmind I read the links that you posted. This is what I can understand.. Please correct me if I'm wrong reasoning:
- Satan still had access to heaven in the days of Job (Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them)
- The prophecy of Isaia14:12 (How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!) must refer to a future time than Isaiah because it is introduced by the phrase: : “On the day the LORD gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:” (Isaiah14:3) I think here it refers to the advent of the Messiah
- Ezekiel 28:16 I can not tell because of the different translations (NIV Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. KJV By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire). But TS quoted KJV on Sign #1
- Ezekiel, however, says that the judgment against Satan occurs in two steps: 1. “I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God” (so I think the first coming or a little later as AustralianMJbeliever said 1914) 2. and I will destroy thee (Second Coming / Armageddon)
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Creation And The Origin Of Evil This is the first of 12 parts; no video just radio broadcast.
When did Satan fall?
We know that the angels were created prior to the Earth. We find Satan had already fallen in Genesis 3. The mystery is, when did he fall? It appears that there are substantial Scriptural references to his rebellion, his agenda, and the subsequent catastrophic judgment that ensued.
This raises the whole issue of the origin of evil. And why hasnt God simply wiped him and sin out completely? It is also disturbing to recognize that Satan tempted Jesus by offering him the kingdom, power and the glory in the temptations recorded in Luke 5 How could Satan lay a legitimate claim to these?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSp9OMVe4fs[/youtube]
This one is for those of us who are visual and want to see what's going on. Again; there are twelve parts.. :)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qifACaeGNgs[/youtube]
For the rest of the video series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qifACaeGNgs&feature=relmfu
The discussion of WHEN Satan fell falls under what is commenly called The Gap Theory:
Gap Theory, Fall of Satan PART 1 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a22jsn6U930
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I feel we are so far off the mark here it is like the game of telephone.
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MsTrinity333
This raises the whole issue of the origin of evil. And why hasnt God simply wiped him and sin out completely?
Well my own theory is that the Bible is in levels, a picture within a picture, and it is all a drama on a planetary scale, complete with heroes and villains. There can be no love without knowing hate, goodness without knowing evil--thus the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil. I believe God created, caused and willed Satan His creation to "fall" (as He chose roles for Esau and Jacob, see passages below), just as each of us are moved and guided by God in every thought we think, to have faith or reject God. But in the end, ALL will be restored/regenerated--the Restitution of ALL things.
“I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isaiah 45:5-7).
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? (Lamentations 3:38, NIV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
Romans 9
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one , even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born , neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , not of works, but of him that calleth ;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written , Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated . 14 What shall we say then ? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid . 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion . 16 So then it is not of him that willeth , nor of him that runneth , but of God that sheweth mercy . 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up , that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth . 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault ? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God ? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known , endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
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Bec,
Maybe we are off the mark, maybe we're not ? I don't think we're too far off because this might have to do with how all the evil in the world started. It might have to do with the illuminati/evil blood lines etc. The bible is an ancient history book. We're trying to understand knowledge, and history that his been somewhat hidden from us. History, Science books etc. don't have to total picture. We've been manipulated and still are. We have to dig to find the truth. Even if we're off track, we can say we still learned a lot and became more aware.
Love
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Scholars for centuries haven't been able to figure this stuff out. Why in the world would we be able to?
Dust in the wind.
Not even a redirect? Think about it.
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Yes Bec, but..
we could just eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Or we can grow old while we ponder the great questions.
I don't think it matters which we choose. The Universe and/or Great Plan will carry on as usual. :)
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Yours are wise words, MJonmind.
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Bec, I have faith in everyone that wants to seek the truth will find the truth. Now the tidbits that I am getting from these posts are pretty interesting. Guy, here is a thought to pondering. Considering that there are 7 furniture to the Tabernacle would that concide with the 7 Chakras. Would the furniture not represent each of the Chakras. Becvuase when I looked of the Furniture of the Tabernacle and read about each of them it reminds me of the 7 Seven Chakras.
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I been lost since he posted Sign 1.
I wanna know why we are not deserving of interactive Bible Study.
If this is so important, why do you, TS, appear to not give a rat's ass if we understand it or not?
This is true :icon_rolleyes:
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MsTrinity333
This raises the whole issue of the origin of evil. And why hasnt God simply wiped him and sin out completely?
Well my own theory is that the Bible is in levels, a picture within a picture, and it is all a drama on a planetary scale, complete with heroes and villains. There can be no love without knowing hate, goodness without knowing evil--thus the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil. I believe God created, caused and willed Satan His creation to "fall" (as He chose roles for Esau and Jacob, see passages below), just as each of us are moved and guided by God in every thought we think, to have faith or reject God. But in the end, ALL will be restored/regenerated--the Restitution of ALL things.
“I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isaiah 45:5-7).
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? (Lamentations 3:38, NIV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
Romans 9
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one , even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born , neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , not of works, but of him that calleth ;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written , Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated . 14 What shall we say then ? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid . 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion . 16 So then it is not of him that willeth , nor of him that runneth , but of God that sheweth mercy . 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up , that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth . 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault ? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God ? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known , endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
This is so strange...In my English class at school a month ago we were discussing William Blake’s Songs of Innocence and Experience and in all of the poems Blake would juxtapose opposites together- good and evil, right and wrong, etc. Blake called them the contraries, and realized and accepted that Earth cannot exist without each opposite together, that not one thing is necessarily evil or good because God had wanted it that way. Jesus, for Blake, symbolizes the vital relationship and unity between divinity and humanity: "All had originally one language, and one religion: this was the religion of Jesus, the everlasting Gospel. Antiquity preaches the Gospel of Jesus." (Descriptive Catalogue, Plate 39, E543). One of Blake's strongest objections to orthodox Christianity is that he felt it encouraged the suppression of natural desires and discouraged earthly joy. In A Vision of the Last Judgment, Blake says that: Men are admitted into Heaven not because they have curbed & governd their Passions or have No Passions but because they have Cultivated their Understandings. The Treasures of Heaven are not Negations of Passion but Realities of Intellect from which All the Passions Emanate Uncurbed in their Eternal Glory. (E564)
Michael was a big fan of Blake’s; actually at Neverland they found Blake’s Songs of Innocence and Experience. Michael’s favorite poem out of the book was the Tyger, which has to do with Creation and God. I didn't think of the connection until you posted this MJonmind.
THE TYGER (from Songs Of Experience)
By William Blake
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare sieze the fire?
And what shoulder, & what art.
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?
What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?
When the stars threw down their spears,
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
1794
There's more about Blake on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake) but I won't post it all since it's extremely long.
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Bec,
Maybe we are off the mark, maybe we're not ? I don't think we're too far off because this might have to do with how all the evil in the world started. It might have to do with the illuminati/evil blood lines etc. The bible is an ancient history book. We're trying to understand knowledge, and history that his been somewhat hidden from us. History, Science books etc. don't have to total picture. We've been manipulated and still are. We have to dig to find the truth. Even if we're off track, we can say we still learned a lot and became more aware.
Love
The bible is an ancient history book and we have no idea what got lost in the translation of it. Also, it needs to be read keeping on mind when it was written. The world 2000 years ago was socially, politically and in matters of beliefs not as the world today.
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Pipi713713, very interesting you connected to William Blake, and Tyger poem is so beautiful. Thank you!
The name “William Blake” recalls another place where we have seen this name, in it’s nickname form, “Bill Blake”. Let us reflect back to the mysterious tombstone that was in the Thriller short film in This Is It:
The tombstone reads Bill Blake, which would be a nickname version of William Blake. (Hmm..we’ve had some discussions of nicknames versus full names before… ). Could this name be inspired by the character in “The Green Man”?
(http://gracemj.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/billblaketombstone.jpg?w=640&h=408)
http://gracemj.wordpress.com/tag/william-blake/ (http://gracemj.wordpress.com/tag/william-blake/)
Also William Blake is associated with British Israelism, the belief that Britons are the lost 10 tribes of Israel.
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Just thinking Jan 21 to Mar 6 was 45 days, and 45 days more would be April 20, so maybe soon! :bowdown: :computer-losy-smiley: :icon_albino:
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I been lost since he posted Sign 1.
I wanna know why we are not deserving of interactive Bible Study.
If this is so important, why do you, TS, appear to not give a rat's ass if we understand it or not?
yeah why don't we deserve it TS? Why?
Where is that little guy screaming why oh why?
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Paula C and others.
There are a few of us having bible study on the sister website Michael Jackson's Army of Love. Click on this link.
Maybe they are waiting for more people to join in ? Maybe we have to be ready ? Come and join us over there. I would love to have the help and I'm sure others would also. The more the merrier. Two heads are better than one etc. etc. Right now I'm trying to read the book of Enoch and it's hard to interpret. Reading Genesis and Revelations in the bible will help with the book of Enoch. Also, this ancient book was preserved in Ethiopia. One of the places that say they have the arc.
There are links posted on that site that help interpret the bible such as 119ministries.com and others.
Love You All
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Paula C and others.
There are a few of us having bible study on the sister website Michael Jackson's Army of Love. Click on this link.
Maybe they are waiting for more people to join in ? Maybe we have to be ready ? Come and join us over there. I would love to have the help and I'm sure others would also. The more the merrier. Two heads are better than one etc. etc. Right now I'm trying to read the book of Enoch and it's hard to interpret. Reading Genesis and Revelations in the bible will help with the book of Enoch. Also, this ancient book was preserved in Ethiopia. One of the places that say they have the arc.
There are links posted on that site that help interpret the bible such as 119ministries.com and others.
Love You All
Dontwalkaway, I register but not having participated much, indeed I do not is much of Bible, also issues I'm reading the book of Enoch, I'll try to participate more when I feel better I have had a fever the last 2 days I have a very strong flu.
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Paula C and others.
There are a few of us having bible study on the sister website Michael Jackson's Army of Love. Click on this link.
Maybe they are waiting for more people to join in ? Maybe we have to be ready ? Come and join us over there. I would love to have the help and I'm sure others would also. The more the merrier. Two heads are better than one etc. etc. Right now I'm trying to read the book of Enoch and it's hard to interpret. Reading Genesis and Revelations in the bible will help with the book of Enoch. Also, this ancient book was preserved in Ethiopia. One of the places that say they have the arc.
There are links posted on that site that help interpret the bible such as 119ministries.com and others.
Love You All
Dontwalkaway, I register but not having participated much, indeed I do not is much of Bible, also issues I'm reading the book of Enoch, I'll try to participate more when I feel better I have had a fever the last 2 days I have a very strong flu.
Sorry to hear you're not feeling well Paula and I hope you feel better soon!
I pop into the Army of Love forum every now and then but I just read. The inner workings of the Bible are not my forte, although I am learning and I am trying. I've always known the 'basic' (?) stories but that's all. My belief in God has always been with me innately. I will go there (sister forum) more often though and may ask questions if I'm not sure what someone means.
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I think bec meant interactive study led by TS.
BTW TS, isn't Sign 3 ready yet? I can't wait for it. Please.
ps: forgot to tell I love you more :bearhug:
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Paula-c
Dontwalkaway, I register but not having participated much, indeed I do not is much of Bible, also issues I'm reading the book of Enoch, I'll try to participate more when I feel better I have had a fever the last 2 days I have a very strong flu.
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(http://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/thumb/9/93/Get-Well-Soon-Cat-Postcard.jpg/300px-Get-Well-Soon-Cat-Postcard.jpg)
Get well soon! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0006.gif)
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Paula C and others.
There are a few of us having bible study on the sister website Michael Jackson's Army of Love. Click on this link.
Maybe they are waiting for more people to join in ? Maybe we have to be ready ? Come and join us over there. I would love to have the help and I'm sure others would also. The more the merrier. Two heads are better than one etc. etc. Right now I'm trying to read the book of Enoch and it's hard to interpret. Reading Genesis and Revelations in the bible will help with the book of Enoch. Also, this ancient book was preserved in Ethiopia. One of the places that say they have the arc.
There are links posted on that site that help interpret the bible such as 119ministries.com and others.
Love You All
Dontwalkaway, I register but not having participated much, indeed I do not is much of Bible, also issues I'm reading the book of Enoch, I'll try to participate more when I feel better I have had a fever the last 2 days I have a very strong flu.
Sorry to hear you're not feeling well Paula and I hope you feel better soon!
I pop into the Army of Love forum every now and then but I just read. The inner workings of the Bible are not my forte, although I am learning and I am trying. I've always known the 'basic' (?) stories but that's all. My belief in God has always been with me innately. I will go there (sister forum) more often though and may ask questions if I'm not sure what someone means.
Paula-c
Dontwalkaway, I register but not having participated much, indeed I do not is much of Bible, also issues I'm reading the book of Enoch, I'll try to participate more when I feel better I have had a fever the last 2 days I have a very strong flu.
:(
(http://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/thumb/9/93/Get-Well-Soon-Cat-Postcard.jpg/300px-Get-Well-Soon-Cat-Postcard.jpg)
Get well soon! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0006.gif)
thanks :LolLolLolLol:
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Is it only me who starts to think TS is planning not to finish the 7 promised signs, like he did with the level 7????
This scary thought crossed my mind today, as Sign 3 is not here yet and April is almost over.
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April isn't over - if you noticed, one in January was posted as late as the 21st.
I'm not a mind reader, but some things have happened concerning reality concerning all of this - so, keep watching all fronts.
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True, April is far from being over and we may just have no Sign this month, who knows. :icon_eek:
Anyway, I'm gonna bet for today:
18 04 2012
1+8 = 9
4+2+1+2 = 9
1+8+4+2+1+2 = 18 = 1+8 = 9
999 -- good day for a Sign don't you think? :suspect:
If not, we still have MJonmind's guess to look forward to. :icon_lol:
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I think TS has been very occupied lately with preparing his Coachella-hologram show :icon_e_surprised: :icon_geek:
:icon_bounce: ♫ ♪ (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Musique/0004.gif) Come with me, Hail Mary
Run quick see, what do we have here
Now, do you wanna ride or die
La dadada, la la la la .... (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Musique/0004.gif) ♫ ♪ :icon_bounce:
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I believe we'll get 6 of the signs then be left hanging for the 7th. :icon_lol: :icon_neutral: :icon_lol:
It's all for love, hope to hear from you soon TS!
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Revelation 8:1-2
1And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
So maybe he'll give us the silent treatment! ::) :errrr: :icon_lol:
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Revelation 8:1-2
1And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
So maybe he'll give us the silent treatment! ::) :errrr: :icon_lol:
You guys seem too happy in spite of the end of the world coming!
I guess it's easier to accept it if it's "sweetened" by Michael's come back :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:....lol
ps: hey Mike I haven't told you lately how much I love you... so it's the time to say it again
I love you soo soooooo soooooooo much!
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You think MJ, who of his own words says he is deeply concerned about the state of the planet and irreversible change on the horizon, would wait until right before the EOW to come back when his come back is designed to save us all from [the media] ourselves?
I would think he would come back with enough time still left to trigger the change required to save humanity.
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This gets me thinking.
No one will believe MJ has anything to say about the EOW or saving the planet, unless he actually comes back alive.
No one will believe there's actually going to be an EOW that MJ returning, needs to save us from, unless some really bad things start happening, like:
--an asteroid hits earth causing some major deaths and destruction
--a couple of nuclear bombs are set off by some lunatic country, and many die
--TPTB suddenly clamp down on our freedoms by shutting down the internet, put millions in concentration camps
--there's an invasion of UFO's that look as big as the ones in Independence Day
--there's a pandemic and millions start dying like flies
If these bad things start happening, the hoax will be unavailable to us because we'll just be trying to stay alive along with our families.
So basically then, about the EOW, we're dabbling with word-games or what if's.
But you know Gina, it's funny how just knowing that this man we've never met in person, is alive somewhere for real, and we see some footage of him speaking to us, will make us so happy. Then we can face whatever comes our way--good and bad--as it's likely to be for all of us on this planet. Somehow he gave us hope for the future. :bowdown: Is it simply a psychological thing? The vast majority of people on earth could care less about MJ in any way (of course that could change depending on how big BAM is), so are we just living in a little bubble? Sometimes I wonder... :errrr: :icon_e_sad: :over-react-smiley:
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Bam will change that, MJonmind, but what you say about EOW is true. People have lives to live and worries to address, knowledge of the EOW doesn't help them one iota... because if it's true then that's that and if it's not, well then any time spent focusing on it is wasted time better spent elsewhere, on saving yourself and your loved ones: daily struggle or EOW struggle alike.
If the Signs are designed to help us during the approaching EOW future event, to assist us in saving ourselves/our loved ones, and time spent will thusly pay off in dividends later, is it not imperative that we understand what it is that we are reading?
I have a difficult time believing that such efforts would be made as we have witnessed over nearly 3 years by the TIAI project, cleverly designed ARG to inform and then warn players of a died in the wool, no kidding EOW fast approaching... to leave the final act so open ended as to convey the message to it's participants, "sink or swim cuz yer on yer own".
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Although there will be a wide range of reactions to this information, the intent and purpose of this message is not to create fear; instead, it is a message to become educated and prepare for what is on the horizon. Also, it is true that through the years, decades, and even centuries: there have been many false alarms about the EOW. What makes this warning any different? By the end of Sign #1, and especially by the end of Sign #7, the answer to that question should be overwhelmingly obvious.
It should also be clearly stated at this point that the world will not end on 12-21-2012; but it will end shortly after 2012! How long is “shortly”? Nobody knows a specific date; but it will probably be within the next few years (nobody living on earth now is going to grow old, unless you’re nearly there already). How can we be sure that this is true? If you keep watching, you will learn how, soon enough.
This is by far the most intriguing thing The Sign said. Bec, what do you think he's saying? Is he saying WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE :icon_pale:, or we're ALL GOING TO LIVE FOREVER :affraid: as the song Best of Joy says? And I'm sure he wants to see his daughter in her first movie in 2013.
This is beautiful, written by jadz29858 -- Wanted to share my dream (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=1111.msg395383#msg395383)
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Hmm, I'm not at all sure about any this. Who can say there IS to be an 'end of the world' anyway? God aka the Bible? TS aka The Sign? Is it to be God-made or man-made? God-saved or man-saved? Does science get a look in here?
I'm afraid I see EOW talk as a 'stick' rather than a 'carrot'. As I say, I'm not at all convinced.
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I haven't foggiest notion what he means.
But you're right, Best of Joy says we are forever.
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If I don't post my level of addiction drops :WTF:.
So here I am :LolLolLolLol:.
MJonmind I think we are all going to die and then rise again....but no, no, some won't die. But if some won't die, how can they reborn in another form?? I don't get it.
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So, if the EOW is coming, please, get 1st those who are a pain in the butt and just put people down...all the haters of the world go away and never come back.
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What if the freedom of choice is the game changer? Because the majority of us are now Peace Doves, not War Hawks! The PEOPLE of the world have changed.
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Wow! This is what it has become? Waiting around discussing EoW? It used to be a clue/puzzle game, now it's what? Dead or Alive you folks are being played like fiddle. Who the hell is TS and why is he so privledged to have you guys wait on his next post? You have become the game. It's not about a puzzle or hoax but rather a hopeless cause you fail to see that holds on to each of you.
Will MJ come back? Who knows. IF/WHEN he does then so be it. Quit waiting on an answer that's not coming. MIRROR TIME folks! What in the hell are you guys doing? What are you looking for now? Please tell me.
TS has created a cult. Hooked you on emotion and teases you with "info". David Koresh and Waco TX ring a bell? TS=David, You=played.
Did I piss you off? I hope so. Wake the hell up, get on with your life. EoW interpetation is just that, interpetation. Each sees it their own way. Revelations "signs" can be seen if you want to see it. MJ does NOT = EoW. EoW happens everyday, year to someone. Signs? here's one...WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone sees a blood river everyday. Or whatever the hell. Seriously. The last concrete info was? A photo, shadow, photoshop pics etc etc.
I end with this....as "the rabbit down the hole" has been brought up before......IF TS really knew all, do you really think MJ would approve of what he has and continues to do to you? HELL NO! GAMES! Riddles! JFC! Are you so oblivous to what has happened that you can't even see you have become his game?
What's next? Go ahead and give me BS reasons, the BS is what TS is doing to you!
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Wow! This is what it has become? Waiting around discussing EoW? It used to be a clue/puzzle game, now it's what? Dead or Alive you folks are being played like fiddle. Who the hell is TS and why is he so privledged to have you guys wait on his next post? You have become the game. It's not about a puzzle or hoax but rather a hopeless cause you fail to see that holds on to each of you.
Will MJ come back? Who knows. IF/WHEN he does then so be it. Quit waiting on an answer that's not coming. MIRROR TIME folks! What in the hell are you guys doing? What are you looking for now? Please tell me.
TS has created a cult. Hooked you on emotion and teases you with "info". David Koresh and Waco TX ring a bell? TS=David, You=played.
Did I piss you off? I hope so. Wake the hell up, get on with your life. EoW interpetation is just that, interpetation. Each sees it their own way. Revelations "signs" can be seen if you want to see it. MJ does NOT = EoW. EoW happens everyday, year to someone. Signs? here's one...WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone sees a blood river everyday. Or whatever the hell. Seriously. The last concrete info was? A photo, shadow, photoshop pics etc etc.
I end with this....as "the rabbit down the hole" has been brought up before......IF TS really knew all, do you really think MJ would approve of what he has and continues to do to you? HELL NO! GAMES! Riddles! JFC! Are you so oblivous to what has happened that you can't even see you have become his game?
What's next? Go ahead and give me BS reasons, the BS is what TS is doing to you!
I won't take advice from someone with 0,4% level of addiction :errrr: :icon_lol:.
Why are you so worried Mirror? Maybe some of us are interested in learning about the EOW.
Some day it's going to come, like it or not.
We know we are part of some sort of game but we choose to be. Don't you see we like it, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
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Wow! This is what it has become? Waiting around discussing EoW? It used to be a clue/puzzle game, now it's what? Dead or Alive you folks are being played like fiddle. Who the hell is TS and why is he so privledged to have you guys wait on his next post? You have become the game. It's not about a puzzle or hoax but rather a hopeless cause you fail to see that holds on to each of you.
Will MJ come back? Who knows. IF/WHEN he does then so be it. Quit waiting on an answer that's not coming. MIRROR TIME folks! What in the hell are you guys doing? What are you looking for now? Please tell me.
TS has created a cult. Hooked you on emotion and teases you with "info". David Koresh and Waco TX ring a bell? TS=David, You=played.
Did I piss you off? I hope so. Wake the hell up, get on with your life. EoW interpetation is just that, interpetation. Each sees it their own way. Revelations "signs" can be seen if you want to see it. MJ does NOT = EoW. EoW happens everyday, year to someone. Signs? here's one...WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone sees a blood river everyday. Or whatever the hell. Seriously. The last concrete info was? A photo, shadow, photoshop pics etc etc.
I end with this....as "the rabbit down the hole" has been brought up before......IF TS really knew all, do you really think MJ would approve of what he has and continues to do to you? HELL NO! GAMES! Riddles! JFC! Are you so oblivous to what has happened that you can't even see you have become his game?
What's next? Go ahead and give me BS reasons, the BS is what TS is doing to you!
I won't take advice from someone with 0,4% level of addiction :errrr: :icon_lol:.
Why are you so worried Mirror? Maybe some of us are interested in learning about the EOW.
Some day it's going to come, like it or not.
We know we are part of some sort of game but we choose to be. Don't you see we like it, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
I would say everyone's involved in someone's game. Are you pursuing the American Dream? That's one. In this forum we discuss a wide range of topics, with the main topic MJ's death hoax. All of us could spend our time a billion other ways but we choose to be here.
Mirror_Time, what do you pursue and enjoy, that you believe is so worthwhile?
Did I piss you off? I hope so. Wake the hell up, get on with your life.
The question is more like, are we pissing you off in some way? Are we hurting you in some way?
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Good question MJonmind. If I wouldn't be here - how else could I be entertained :) ?
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I would say let's get back on topic guys, but without any input from the thread starter it's kind of fizzled out really hasn't it? Angry one-post-wonders don't deserve the attention (unless they're crying out for help, in which case I'd suggest they take a look in their own mirrors, take a deep breath and come back with a little less hostility).
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Hmmm...ya I do care you don't see it. Level of ADDICTION says it all! 0.4 says I got away from this BS a long time ago. Been here, done this, woke the hell up. I check in to see if anything new as do hope BAM happens.
Im really not hating on you and your choices and perhaps wrong to think someone may benefit from a harsh point of view. Denial, delusions, are clincial signs you wont or can't see.
If a child was in the street about to be plowed by an 18 wheeler, I am sure all of you would stand and watch it happen. I see a hard -core following of same people believing that someone holds the answers which you seek.(TS)
EoW?!? Go back before MJ died and ask yourself/read this crap that you wouldnt of thought "these" people are crazy. It's been a slow process fueled by emotion and hope. Rats in a cage looking for cheese.
2 years ago all of you were so into EoW? Its not a puzzle anymore but a disorder. Tell me and yourself(denial) your interested in this, fine.
So then, tell me what the hell are trying to accomplish now? We figured out the facts, the lies, the BS of hoax. So what MJ has divine knowledge of EoW? That is so F'ing crazy! Read it again. Crazy!
EoW and Revelations, go to church to learn what you say ur "into". Learn it from a credible source and not one that everyday you guys say, " oh TS we miss/come back/need more".(scroll up)
You really don't see it. Cool. Enjoy ur fictious ride. I'll see ya in 2013. ya your right I am only here to bash you. I'd say objectively look at this, but it's past that. So sad, you only want to defend this and not use your "skills" TS taught to find/see the Troot.
TS is full of shit! It's beyond a hoax murder and is deeper than you can see. Peace out. I felt obligated to try to wake you up. I saw this BS long ago and got away. I was as possessed as u and now I come back and laugh my ass off at what this has become. And moreso sad you can't/won't see it. I hope the mother fucker never posts another thing, for your sake. Let the bash me begin.....lol at BS...go do some charity work like MJ WOULD of wanted and make the change...................god bless you and I mean it.
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be careful, your level of addiction is increasing LOL!
Let me tell you something: I feel like you hate TS more than you care for us. You don't like it that some still follow TS. Do not woryy, TS made a promise and the clock is ticking including for TS.
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Learn it from a credible source
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So what MJ has divine knowledge of EoW? That is so F'ing crazy! Read it again. Crazy!
You think too little of MJ. I don't think it's crazy at all. Why wouldn't he have knowledge about eow and other religious stuff ?
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lmao off at "god bless" after all that verbal vomit. very christian, a veritable christ-like image right there.
typical. spew venom n intolerant hate speak n close with "god bless" like that makes it all ok.
sticks n stones may break our bones but words from morons will never hurt us.
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I felt obligated to try to wake you up.
:thjajaja121: God bless you too for making me laugh this hard!
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Hi MJ-/(MJ fam)- :smiley_abuv:
:bearhug:
I'm still watching. :icon_bounce:
I know I am not The Sign-aka-TS_comments-aka-TS-aka-back-aka-Front-aka-MJ... :LolLolLolLol:
but I found a sign 3 for y'all!
Love you guys!
I Always got your backs-
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It takes all kinds :LolLolLolLol: I wonder why you are here if you feel we are so lost. Leave us alone. We’re enjoying ourselves. Thanks for your concern. But I don’t need it, and I’m almost sure, neither does any one else. Bye now. :LolLolLolLol:
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April 21. Come on TS, we're running out of time.
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Hmmm...ya I do care you don't see it. Level of ADDICTION says it all! 0.4 says I got away from this BS a long time ago. Been here, done this, woke the hell up. I check in to see if anything new as do hope BAM happens.
Im really not hating on you and your choices and perhaps wrong to think someone may benefit from a harsh point of view. Denial, delusions, are clincial signs you wont or can't see.
If a child was in the street about to be plowed by an 18 wheeler, I am sure all of you would stand and watch it happen. I see a hard -core following of same people believing that someone holds the answers which you seek.(TS)
EoW?!? Go back before MJ died and ask yourself/read this crap that you wouldnt of thought "these" people are crazy. It's been a slow process fueled by emotion and hope. Rats in a cage looking for cheese.
2 years ago all of you were so into EoW? Its not a puzzle anymore but a disorder. Tell me and yourself(denial) your interested in this, fine.
So then, tell me what the hell are trying to accomplish now? We figured out the facts, the lies, the BS of hoax. So what MJ has divine knowledge of EoW? That is so F'ing crazy! Read it again. Crazy!
EoW and Revelations, go to church to learn what you say ur "into". Learn it from a credible source and not one that everyday you guys say, " oh TS we miss/come back/need more".(scroll up)
You really don't see it. Cool. Enjoy ur fictious ride. I'll see ya in 2013. ya your right I am only here to bash you. I'd say objectively look at this, but it's past that. So sad, you only want to defend this and not use your "skills" TS taught to find/see the Troot.
TS is full of shit! It's beyond a hoax murder and is deeper than you can see. Peace out. I felt obligated to try to wake you up. I saw this BS long ago and got away. I was as possessed as u and now I come back and laugh my ass off at what this has become. And moreso sad you can't/won't see it. I hope the mother fucker never posts another thing, for your sake. Let the bash me begin.....lol at BS...go do some charity work like MJ WOULD of wanted and make the change...................god bless you and I mean it.
Once again, ..... :WTF:you care so much what people here think?
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Friggin' hell......not another troll "concerned about us".
It's great having somebody who thinks they know better than you give you a good lecture every now and then isn't it? :icon_rolleyes: :icon_rolleyes:
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Hmmm...ya I do care you don't see it. Level of ADDICTION says it all! 0.4 says I got away from this BS a long time ago. Been here, done this, woke the hell up. I check in to see if anything new as do hope BAM happens.
Im really not hating on you and your choices and perhaps wrong to think someone may benefit from a harsh point of view. Denial, delusions, are clincial signs you wont or can't see.
If a child was in the street about to be plowed by an 18 wheeler, I am sure all of you would stand and watch it happen. I see a hard -core following of same people believing that someone holds the answers which you seek.(TS)
EoW?!? Go back before MJ died and ask yourself/read this crap that you wouldnt of thought "these" people are crazy. It's been a slow process fueled by emotion and hope. Rats in a cage looking for cheese.
2 years ago all of you were so into EoW? Its not a puzzle anymore but a disorder. Tell me and yourself(denial) your interested in this, fine.
So then, tell me what the hell are trying to accomplish now? We figured out the facts, the lies, the BS of hoax. So what MJ has divine knowledge of EoW? That is so F'ing crazy! Read it again. Crazy!
EoW and Revelations, go to church to learn what you say ur "into". Learn it from a credible source and not one that everyday you guys say, " oh TS we miss/come back/need more".(scroll up)
You really don't see it. Cool. Enjoy ur fictious ride. I'll see ya in 2013. ya your right I am only here to bash you. I'd say objectively look at this, but it's past that. So sad, you only want to defend this and not use your "skills" TS taught to find/see the Troot.
TS is full of shit! It's beyond a hoax murder and is deeper than you can see. Peace out. I felt obligated to try to wake you up. I saw this BS long ago and got away. I was as possessed as u and now I come back and laugh my ass off at what this has become. And moreso sad you can't/won't see it. I hope the mother fucker never posts another thing, for your sake. Let the bash me begin.....lol at BS...go do some charity work like MJ WOULD of wanted and make the change...................god bless you and I mean it.
Once again, ..... :WTF:you care so much what people here think?
I know: it's TS testing us once again :icon_lol:!
No really...I think it is someone who is desperate because TS still has people interested in him, in spite of all the efforts of his "enemies".
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Actually, more than once, I'm the one who's jumped in traffic to save a child, while the parent just stared. Is a sad commentary to say no one here would risk their life.
Things may, may not happen as people wish - what does it really matter?
The riddle is solved - but there are still threads to be tied up.
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AS most hated, I didn't read a reply but must share this story...........hate me all you want, I felt compelled.
after MJ died, one day my wife a teacher in a poor are area commented that her kids had no backpacks. I was home alone and Man in the mirror came on....I decided to change that. I , a lowly employee of a 5 billion dollar company wrote the president and told him. Within 10 minutes he responded and it happened....600 backpacks on the way. What a feeling!
I then proceeded to break both my legs, and when i returned to work around after christmas, again my wife told me of story of a family that didn't get christmas because the grandma raising 3 kids of crackhead jaile mom had a heart attack and couldn't afford. Again, MJ played a role and in 3 days raised 1300 dollars and bought more presents than those kids could ever dream.
Tonight, I wrote my brother a note in which I try to ease his pain of losing his premature child....my message was one of strength and what you will achieve thru what you don't see now....my mother sent a pic of the baby hold his finger with his tiny hand. wow.....I sent my note and the SECOND i sent it "hold my hand" came on...still crying..........
I made a difference, each of can. I came out wrong, but yes hate seeing what's happening here. Do something people, you can. My proudest accomplishments in life are those...MJ....quit wasting your time waiting on a sign or TS or MJ....do what he wanted....make a change cuz you can....As Revelation states....NOONE will know, a thief in the night. So MJ, TS nor you know EoW....or when...use this passion you have for a purpose.....it's not this..............I got it long ago. Will you? I apologize, it pains me to see you waste your time and emotion on something that may never happen. If he hoaxed, THIS wasn't wanted he intended...Hate me or whatever...I got MJ's message , again...L>O>V>E
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And not tooting my horn again, today my neighbor who shouldn't lived thru the surgery he had, I have constructed a plan with his wife to show her LOVE to him when he arrives home....WHY? MJ lives in me....tears will fall again.
Perhaps you have missed the message. Where is the " what MJ inspired me to do" thread? THat would make him proud, wherever he is. The day I meet him, I know he will smile at that I have done.
Again no horn. I have invented a product that soon will make me more money than I can phathom. I don't care what I can buy soon, but the cancer I may help cure with excess I will soon have.(NO BS, another example of) I get a hard-on helping this pathetic species. IT drives me and MJ is why.
MY post was harsh , out of line perhaps....I have watched y'all for some time. I know many of you. I do care and is why I did what I did. I refused to play this game any longer and do something for me, and the world. Cause DAMMIT I CAN! I didnt read response to my post, no need. I know, what you would say.
So now that you feel like shit you probably said whatever, as I do, all I ask is you look, OBJECTIVELY, at this. Then decide if your every breathe, mooment and energy is worth this. Do as you please. Apparently the message I was to relay was this one. I just didn't know it.
All the best, my brothers and sisters, you are and is a bond that world has with all on it. I apologize again. MY angry is not at you or even TS, but for what each of your potiential and that you waste.
Believe me, had I wanted I would of quoted, pasted and made an argument to defend how I feel. But, now i know, MJ might not smile. tho my heart was in right place. And today I say goodbye to you , bec, rk, gins, mj, souza and the many others along way. May yu see the light and purpose. You believe with all you are in MJ and his message. SHOW HIM, he will see! CHANGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Hey Mirror-Time I think it's great you did all those things. What makes you think the rest of us do nothing?
You say you know most of us - how comes?
Why don't you tell us your real name? What's to hide?
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Mirror_Time,
I see you are trying to do great things. That's wonderful. I think many of us are trying to do the same. Right now, I am working in an inner city high school doing many things and it isn't easy. I find the time to go on the computer and join this because I want to help spread MJ's message and help heal the world.
I don't feel this is set up to distract people. I think it was done to get people's attention and to spread knowledge and truth. We are finding out about many subjects and issues BECAUSE of the death hoax. There is so much but some examples are The Federal Reserve Bank, Secret Societies, Government Policies and Laws, The Truth about Many World Events, Global Issues, Religions, New World Order,Science etc. etc. etc.
Why don't you join us in order to help spread important messages !!!! It seems that you are a good person and you have great stories. In order to help heal the world you have to spread knowledge and love. Sure, you can do it in person but you can also do some on the internet. You only need 15 minutes or so to write a message. It's not a waste of time because you can reach a lot of people on the internet. It's what almost everyone is using these days.
A lot of truth about religion,history, science was kept from us. We can't get the real "news" on Television. TELEVISION IS CENSORED AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO USE THE INTERNET.
Knowledge is powerful.
Peace and Love
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@mirror_time - I put my faith in Jesus Christ our Lord, the Holy Spirit, and God, first and foremost! Michael's an example of what a human can do, believing in our Lord.
YOU have missed the point; you don't know what each and everyone of us has done, as individuals.
Why don't you go to a nice church, and learn what LOVE, FORGIVENESS and MERCY truly is, and let the Holy Spirit wash over you, in the name of the Lord. You seem much too full of yourself, and need to learn HUMILITY, while you're asking forgiveness.
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i am always suspicious of people who brag about their acts of charity.
true charity comes from the heart, and it is done simply because it is the right thing to do... not to be used as a way to elevate one's self in the eyes of others, and NEVER in order to make someone else feel unworthy.
true charity is anonymous.
though this is the most interesting thing to happen on this thread in weeks. sad to say. a little drama sure is entertaining. we are nothing if not human.
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i am always suspicious of people who brag about their acts of charity.
true charity comes from the heart, and it is done simply because it is the right thing to do... not to be used as a way to elevate one's self in the eyes of others, and NEVER in order to make someone else feel unworthy.
true charity is anonymous.
though this is the most interesting thing to happen on this thread in weeks. sad to say. a little drama sure is entertaining. we are nothing if not human.
I wuv you! :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:
I just don't like condescending attitude...after all the hard work EVERYONE has put in before I came along, and since - it got to me - and I'm sorry if I got a bit harsh, I just felt this person needed an ear pulled, just like a mother does with a naughty little child who proclaims, "This is my sandbox, and no one else can play in it now - nyah!" So, I made him face the tree, and think for a bit...for sharing is caring.
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i am always suspicious of people who brag about their acts of charity.
true charity comes from the heart, and it is done simply because it is the right thing to do... not to be used as a way to elevate one's self in the eyes of others, and NEVER in order to make someone else feel unworthy.
true charity is anonymous.
though this is the most interesting thing to happen on this thread in weeks. sad to say. a little drama sure is entertaining. we are nothing if not human.
I reminded me of this phrase,... I don't remember of who is:
Humility, charity and modesty, cannot be separated one from the other.
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:LolLolLolLol: at times I get the feeling that "some (new) members" post while drunk :icon_lol:
Bec, you are right, it was a fun read! it spiced up the thread!
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I don't get why people would waste their time on forums trying to convince members they are 'insane', 'addicts', 'wasting their time' etc, while in the time they write such lengthy posts, they are wasting their own time. Pot -> kettle -> BLACK
Yeah, I bet MJ would smile at you and be proud of how you handled this with such grace and humility. As I already told you in pm mirror, you are on borrowed time here. Spew your filth, assumptions, ignorance and biased judgements one more time and you are out of here. You know many on here? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF! You know nothing about me, as is VERY CLEARLY proven in your posts. Don't think for others please, we are all adults and very capable of knowing what to do with our lives, what to think, etc.
Ugh. :Crash:
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AS most hated, I didn't read a reply but must share this story...........hate me all you want, I felt compelled.
after MJ died, one day my wife a teacher in a poor are area commented that her kids had no backpacks. I was home alone and Man in the mirror came on....I decided to change that. I , a lowly employee of a 5 billion dollar company wrote the president and told him. Within 10 minutes he responded and it happened....600 backpacks on the way. What a feeling!
I then proceeded to break both my legs, and when i returned to work around after christmas, again my wife told me of story of a family that didn't get christmas because the grandma raising 3 kids of crackhead jaile mom had a heart attack and couldn't afford. Again, MJ played a role and in 3 days raised 1300 dollars and bought more presents than those kids could ever dream.
Tonight, I wrote my brother a note in which I try to ease his pain of losing his premature child....my message was one of strength and what you will achieve thru what you don't see now....my mother sent a pic of the baby hold his finger with his tiny hand. wow.....I sent my note and the SECOND i sent it "hold my hand" came on...still crying..........
I made a difference, each of can. I came out wrong, but yes hate seeing what's happening here. Do something people, you can. My proudest accomplishments in life are those...MJ....quit wasting your time waiting on a sign or TS or MJ....do what he wanted....make a change cuz you can....As Revelation states....NOONE will know, a thief in the night. So MJ, TS nor you know EoW....or when...use this passion you have for a purpose.....it's not this..............I got it long ago. Will you? I apologize, it pains me to see you waste your time and emotion on something that may never happen. If he hoaxed, THIS wasn't wanted he intended...Hate me or whatever...I got MJ's message , again...L>O>V>E
I do not hate anyone :icon_e_confused: ... not going to respond more to these post. ::)
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I just wanted to say Thank you for @Mirror - despite the controversy I Hear your message and its apply to me , personally, I Can and Should DO more for others and for our Planet and for that REALITY Check I thank u againe.
bearhug
On another hand - as far as the Love is the ONLY cure - I truly wish that God may blessed your good deeds and your heart with THAT gift of Holy Spirit and as much as we may learn from you - You also can learn and accept lesson of positivity and compassion from our side.
So
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againe for All!@@
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as a GREAT example on HOW All believers/non-believs and just fans CAN B UNITED AS ONE on name of LOVE and Michael through deeds, compassion and mercy -
Why its cant be Start HERE From US "wth Michael leading the way" ??
I truly Hope It Is Wl START - just like M_T said " I have MJ calling in my heart " @@ just LOVE THIS WORDS! @@
..>cONtinued nxt post plz, sorry>
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I TRULY BELIEVE that NONE of our shortecomings or evil wl Ever overcome the power of LOVE and Good Wil!!
And i truly believe that!
Isnt we have to living what we preach?
- Thank u for Call T_M and i start right now to make it Real here and beyond the hoax as MJ ALWAYS DID and THEN We change the World!@@
Blessings and Love again to ALL!
I truly love u and hope we all have chance to change on better!@
bearhug
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Besides 'tooting your own horn', there's also such a thing as 'spinning your tires' ( a lot of motion without necessarily getting somewhere).
There have been millions/perhaps billions of people trying to help other people in various ways. We each do what we can, and I have spent most of my life in countless ways trying to do just that, as I go about my life, albeit less so in the last few years. I believe MJ is doing something special right now in trying to heal the world through love, a special project if you like. It's a different approach than the usual. Being here is part of it, like a snowball rolling and gaining in size and momentum. Mirror, stick around, read a ton, and then maybe you will catch a glimpse of something amazing almost magical, beyond the surface help that you are talking about. Catch the 'spirit' of MJ! "Meet the man you never know!"
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Mirror, stick around, read a ton, and then maybe you will catch a glimpse of something amazing almost magical, beyond the surface help that you are talking about. Catch the 'spirit' of MJ! "Meet the man you never know!"
MEET the man?
I thought DISCOVER the man.....it is slightly different.
But I prefer it your way.
Btw TS, I finished reading sign 2 twice, it's not enough I know but, I'm waiting with interest Sign 3.
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Oh Gina, you KNOW we "meet" him here!!!! :icon_mrgreen:
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Oh Gina, you KNOW we "meet" him here!!!! :icon_mrgreen:
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you drive me crazy :Pulling_hair:
You say you have the gut feeling he's here and you call this KNOWING.
OK I admit I have the same feeling THAT HE'S HERE :smiley-vault-misc-150:.
And if it's not him - it's a very good personality replica of him.
ps: where's a therapist when you need one :Crash:
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Hi TS.
Isn't that Sign 3 ready yet??
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from sign to sign , almost 2 months ( too long) this means the sign 7 on Dec and the BAM too :screaming-7365: :Crash:
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Maybe TS is waiting for May 4th.
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So...I was looking around at TS's stat information (sorry TS.....you trained me well).........funny thing....
the most posts were done at 9am (his time......I suppose). He also has 3 times that no posts at all 4pm, 6pm and 11pm
4+6+11=21
Why I find this funny....well, who knows. I am more interested in the 9am most post time...32 posts/19%
Is there a correlation of TS's stats that should be looked at? Is there something that can translate into a hoax, OMGosh moment...don't have any idea. But, it's fun to look at the figures anyways...........I know, I'm a geek!
Blessings Always
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So...I was looking around at TS's stat information (sorry TS.....you trained me well).........funny thing....
the most posts were done at 9am (his time......I suppose). He also has 3 times that no posts at all 4pm, 6pm and 11pm
4+6+11=21
Why I find this funny....well, who knows. I am more interested in the 9am most post time...32 posts/19%
Is there a correlation of TS's stats that should be looked at? Is there something that can translate into a hoax, OMGosh moment...don't have any idea. But, it's fun to look at the figures anyways...........I know, I'm a geek!
Blessings Always
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/machoire2.gif) You're AWESOME sis' !!
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TS :abouttime: are you going to post 2 signs at same time ? and i think it's better :icon_mrgreen:
@Gina why 4th May?? maybe 9th May @Wishingstar focused at number 9 ^^ are you a knower wishi ? :suspect:
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TS :abouttime: are you going to post 2 signs at same time ? and i think it's better :icon_mrgreen:
@Gina why 4th May?? maybe 9th May @Wishingstar focused at number 9 ^^ are you a knower wishi ? :suspect:
I know I still get into trouble with your sig, AKHTONI :thjajaja121:
Love it when you post!!!
No, I truly don't know a thing, aside from this is one heck of an adventure!!!!!
Blessings to you!
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TS :abouttime: are you going to post 2 signs at same time ? and i think it's better :icon_mrgreen:
@Gina why 4th May?? maybe 9th May @Wishingstar focused at number 9 ^^ are you a knower wishi ? :suspect:
I know I still get into trouble with your sig, AKHTONI :thjajaja121:
Love it when you post!!!
No, I truly don't know a thing, aside from this is one heck of an adventure!!!!!
Blessings to you!
I am glad that you are still in trouble with my sig :icon_twisted: until i will it to you :icon_lol:
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Because May the 4th is also 9 :icon_geek:
See, may is 5 ...plus 4 - voila it's 9 :icon_lol:
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Because May the 4th is also 9 :icon_geek:
See, may is 5 ...plus 4 - voila it's 9 :icon_lol:
:affraid: that's really magic i missed it :Crash:
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Because May the 4th is also 9 :icon_geek:
See, may is 5 ...plus 4 - voila it's 9 :icon_lol:
:affraid: that's really magic i missed it :Crash:
You're kidding right?
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Because May the 4th is also 9 :icon_geek:
See, may is 5 ...plus 4 - voila it's 9 :icon_lol:
:affraid: that's really magic i missed it :Crash:
You're kidding right?
sure I am :icon_lol:
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Because May the 4th is also 9 :icon_geek:
See, may is 5 ...plus 4 - voila it's 9 :icon_lol:
:affraid: that's really magic i missed it :Crash:
You're kidding right?
sure I am :icon_lol:
Thank the Lawd!
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I won't share my math again if you guys make fun of me ::) :icon_lol:
ps: @TS - hope everything's OK with you.
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T S ~ u r truly being long winded.... :Pulling_hair: ....with silence :WTF: ...... :icon_e_biggrin:
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I won't share my math again if you guys make fun of me ::) :icon_lol:
ps: @TS - hope everything's OK with you.
Offtopic: Souza & Gina you are both so pretty! :icon_razz:
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May 8th and no sign 3 :icon_mrgreen: I start doubting if you are still alive :errrr:
I won't share my math again if you guys make fun of me ::) :icon_lol:
Noo.. i like your crazy maths :icon_mrgreen:
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May 8th and no sign 3 :icon_mrgreen: I start doubting if you are still alive :errrr:
I won't share my math again if you guys make fun of me ::) :icon_lol:
Noo.. i like your crazy maths :icon_mrgreen:
:icon_lol:
Looks like my math was wrong anyway :suspect:.
Maybe it's going to be May 9 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:???
@MJFAN7 - thank you, but you are much more pretty and so young. Enjoy it!
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Perhaps TS, or The Sign, is waiting for us to get back on topic, instead of keep pestering him for the next part! Or maybe he thought we really didn't really dissect/understand Sign 2 enough to move on. Or maybe he's having trouble composing Sign 3. Or he's busy on other projects. Or it's not that important any more. IDK - how should any of us know when he doesn't talk to us!
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Maybe he retired the project due to lack of interest?
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Perhaps TS, or The Sign, is waiting for us to get back on topic, instead of keep pestering him for the next part! Or maybe he thought we really didn't really dissect/understand Sign 2 enough to move on. Or maybe he's having trouble composing Sign 3. Or he's busy on other projects. Or it's not that important any more. IDK - how should any of us know when he doesn't talk to us!
I was thinking along similar lines. I see some discussion trying to disprove what he's saying, as if his whole essay wasn't even important. That kinda bothers me, because then why even be here, if you don't agree with MJ. We're trying to understand the purpose of the hoax, short and long term, and we want to understand what it is that MJ wants to communicate to us on a deeper level, past the fun stuff. "Get to know the man we never knew." If we believe in somebody and love them as we say, shouldn't that change us and our own thinking in some way as well, otherwise why say we love him and believe in him. Or we somehow fit what we think he is saying with what we already believe, so we don't have to change anything. MJ says look in the mirror, and 'make that change'. JMO but I see unwillingness to agree with what he is saying. Maybe we could discuss this a little, because this cuts to the core of who we are and why we're here. Do some of us secretly scoff and recoil at what he's saying, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge if what he's saying might be true. Just throwing out some thoughts. Perhaps none of this matters, and TS is on his schedule of when to put out Sign #3, and doesn't care how we receive or if we wrestle or not with Sign #1 or #2. Do you think The Signs are a side issue for TS, or the main goal that all the other fun hoax stuff was to prepare us for? Each of us remaining here, have various gifts/talents/knowlege areas to contribute to analyzing, connecting dots, and lay down organized discussion for these signs. Maybe each of us are waiting for someone else to do more IDK.
In December of 2009, TS said the following: “Could there possibly be a relationship between the death hoax, and the unveiling of the Ark? In fact, could both of these things be directly related to the end of the world (see R49)?..
Nobody is required to read or join in the religious discussion; but please do not say that topics about the Bible and God are unrelated to Michael and the hoax. I have repeatedly shown that the Bible, including and especially the end of the world, is a significant part of the hoax (12:21 phone call timing, and much more).
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Maybe he retired the project due to lack of interest?
Ha ha ha ha :thjajaja121:
NO. Not a chance. 8)
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ohh I forgot to tell you guys! TS went on a vacation with Sim!
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Maybe he retired the project due to lack of interest?
:thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :smiley-vault-misc-150:
ohh I forgot to tell you guys! TS went on a vacation with Sim!
Hi @Lunattyk please pass my regards to @Simpattyk & TS since they are both on a vacation . she is lucky :LolLolLolLol:
@GINA we will see if your math works tomorrow :icon_lol:
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Lunattyk, did she take him willingly or unwillingly?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJ-VMjVYR0[/youtube]
Gentlemen, I be placed in a bewilderment. There I were—resting, and of a sudden, I hear an ungodly rouw on deck…Would that be first-mate? Mutiny, now what fate befalls mutineers? Now we know the answer to that (as he pulls his sword from his scabbard) do we not. MUTINEERS HA-A-A-A-A-G! $%&*@#%&!!
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Perhaps TS, or The Sign, is waiting for us to get back on topic, instead of keep pestering him for the next part! Or maybe he thought we really didn't really dissect/understand Sign 2 enough to move on. Or maybe he's having trouble composing Sign 3. Or he's busy on other projects. Or it's not that important any more. IDK - how should any of us know when he doesn't talk to us!
I see what you're saying. But I don't know what's to discuss on Sign 2.
By my understanding Sign 2 was designed more to inform people than to be dissected.
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@GINA we will see if your math works tomorrow :icon_lol:
In Romania there are 52 minutes left till tomorrow. We'll know soon enough :icon_mrgreen:.
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Perhaps TS, or The Sign, is waiting for us to get back on topic, instead of keep pestering him for the next part! Or maybe he thought we really didn't really dissect/understand Sign 2 enough to move on. Or maybe he's having trouble composing Sign 3. Or he's busy on other projects. Or it's not that important any more. IDK - how should any of us know when he doesn't talk to us!
I was thinking along similar lines. I see some discussion trying to disprove what he's saying, as if his whole essay wasn't even important. That kinda bothers me, because then why even be here, if you don't agree with MJ. We're trying to understand the purpose of the hoax, short and long term, and we want to understand what it is that MJ wants to communicate to us on a deeper level, past the fun stuff. "Get to know the man we never knew." If we believe in somebody and love them as we say, shouldn't that change us and our own thinking in some way as well, otherwise why say we love him and believe in him. Or we somehow fit what we think he is saying with what we already believe, so we don't have to change anything. MJ says look in the mirror, and 'make that change'. JMO but I see unwillingness to agree with what he is saying. Maybe we could discuss this a little, because this cuts to the core of who we are and why we're here. Do some of us secretly scoff and recoil at what he's saying, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge if what he's saying might be true. Just throwing out some thoughts. Perhaps none of this matters, and TS is on his schedule of when to put out Sign #3, and doesn't care how we receive or if we wrestle or not with Sign #1 or #2. Do you think The Signs are a side issue for TS, or the main goal that all the other fun hoax stuff was to prepare us for? Each of us remaining here, have various gifts/talents/knowlege areas to contribute to analyzing, connecting dots, and lay down organized discussion for these signs. Maybe each of us are waiting for someone else to do more IDK.
In December of 2009, TS said the following: “Could there possibly be a relationship between the death hoax, and the unveiling of the Ark? In fact, could both of these things be directly related to the end of the world (see R49)?..
Nobody is required to read or join in the religious discussion; but please do not say that topics about the Bible and God are unrelated to Michael and the hoax. I have repeatedly shown that the Bible, including and especially the end of the world, is a significant part of the hoax (12:21 phone call timing, and much more).
@MJonmind, you raise some interesting points which I will mull over and come back tomorrow with my thoughts. Right now though, I need sleep!
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TS has told us that the bible, end time prophecy, and the ark are significant parts of the hoax. There are a few of us still looking at sign 1 and sign 2 on the sister site Michael's Army of Love. There are so many connections to Michael's songs, and messages and even hoax clues. Also, current events, religion,politics,history and what is going on in science is all connected. It's also connected to the bible and other texts. It's amazing. It will help you connect the dots. It will help you find the truth about a lot of what is going on. We have to find the real "history" etc. so we have to look at everything.
There's so much. I am trying to read a little each day. We posted information about the signs, the antichrist, prophecies of Daniel, book of revelation, book of Enoch etc. This is directly related to the end times. This is also related to the crop circles and the UFO sightings and abductions etc. Even if you're not religious it's good to learn about everything including the bible. And not only that, it's information that the "dark side" is using against us so we have to educate and search things out for ourselves. They would like to keep us in the dark and deceive us if they can.
Please join us over there. I posted something for sign 2 a few days ago. It was about "Baptism by Blood". I was thinking that the Wave Sheaf and the Laver were related to baptism. I don't really know. It holds water which seems significant. Also this festival is about resurrection and rebirth. The wave sheaf offering is the first grain offering. (spring, new beginnings). Also, to calculate the festival of first fruits you have to know the day of the wave sheaf offering. This day of first fruits represents rebirth and resurrection. It was said that Jesus was resurrected on the day of first fruits. So this day seems important. The problem is that we found out there are different calendars. You have to calculate the days according to how God/creator said to do it.
Also, we were talking about the many references to "blood". During the last supper Jesus asks the disciples to drink wine which represents his blood. This was an everlasting covenant. There are also references to water during the story of the last supper. There was a man with a jug of water who stood at the gates of the city so the apostles could find where to go for the last supper. Some of us were following the jugs of Fuji water during the hoax so it seemed similar. I can't explain it all on here. There is more on the other site.
So do you see how everything is becoming connected ? Illuminati/military-industrial complex/ TPTB want to keep us in the dark about true history,politics,science etc. There is a lot of hidden information. The NWO want to take over the world. They could use a fake ark, fake messiah/ ant-christ, fake or real UFO's, project blue beam and many other things to deceive us. What about the mark of the beast, RFID chips, forced vaccinations etc. They can use a lot of evil. They can use the division between race and religions against us. They can cause economic collapse so they can take over and do what they want ? Some religious organizations are deceitful. You have to investigate and try to learn the truth for yourself.
Sorry for going on so long but I think we can help each other discover and spread information and truth. How else are we going to heal the world and spread love ???
We have to know who to trust.
Love You All
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Perhaps TS, or The Sign, is waiting for us to get back on topic, instead of keep pestering him for the next part! Or maybe he thought we really didn't really dissect/understand Sign 2 enough to move on. Or maybe he's having trouble composing Sign 3. Or he's busy on other projects. Or it's not that important any more. IDK - how should any of us know when he doesn't talk to us!
I see what you're saying. But I don't know what's to discuss on Sign 2.
By my understanding Sign 2 was designed more to inform people than to be dissected.
I agree with you Gina. I think Sign 2 was to inform people. He is saying that knowing the furniture and festivals is important. We should discuss the information presented and also research it. There is a lot of information regarding the creators calendar, the festivals and furniture. There are a ton of websites and videos. We have to understand how this was set up because it is our practice/lessons for what to do/look for during the end times. Maybe TS is waiting for people to start discussing and researching ?? He/she can't do everything for us. We have to read,question,search for ourselves. We have to start connecting things together.
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:abouttime: ~ for another post. or, is this a test of patience :smiley-vault-misc-150::icon_bounce:
:compute: TS we come daily for a new post only to see the same thing :computer-losy-smiley:. hopefully you have something special brewing :ghsdf: and this is why the wait is so long. we all hope everything is o.k. :confused:. if u haven't noticed i'm bored with waiting ::) that's why i'm playing with these icons. i'll just shut up now :-X and walk away :moonwalk_:. here's to seeing a new post soon :beerchug:.....pleeease :bowdown: :LolLolLolLol:, :omg: i'm starting to have to much fun with this :woohoo2: party over here :multiplespotting: o.k. i'm out :icon_redface:
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@Dontwalkaway: I admire your drive and the efforts you're making in relation to this subject. it's the second time you made me want to register on the other forum, which I finally did, tonight, but... Jesus... the amount of what's there!! just scared me before I even started!
Already investigating the HOAX + creating stuff + sharing it via FB, forum, YT, occupies ALL my spare time - it has all become like my all time favorite hobby! But this "hobby" + the job completely leave me powerless! which is why I've had the worst days lately in terms of moral and emotional equilibrium, I'm just so tired, drained of forces actually! lost patience ...and in a moment of craziness I even lost faith in this whole hoax thing! I really feel like taking a BREAK you know...
I know I may sound like a lazy ignorant right now, but it's just too much information on a field that I've never studied! and to be sincere all the way it never even interested me!! I've always regarded it like "OK, I know God exists, I pray to God , I have faith in him, I try to leave my life in such a way as not to harm anyone around me nor myself, I always follow the best principles in life, but that's it!" .... going to Church daily, studying the Bible, embracing one religion or another, this was never ME !! I'm not for this! it's just like tastes if we can make an analogy! I've always been attracted to learn foreign languages, but I was always a catastrophe in physics and in maths! other people are more attracted to certain things than other people!
What you guys have been doing on that forum is great! Tons and tons of articles, links, sites, long comments and interpretations, etc... that's for passionate people! Not for NON-initiates like me who only read these things thinking that MJ has related them somehow to the hoax!
If the EOW is coming.... well I am off-guard with that info anyway! There's no more time left for me to catch up with all that anyway! I will at least take a look here and there and I will follow with great interest what TS has to write ...and probably research that, but that's it for me! As I said it's just too much already with the hoax and everything!! I don't want to lose completely my mind!! Because after all these hoax years I sure don't feel as normal as I was before lmfao :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
If TS is waiting for us to do more research on this subject than we already did...If that's the reason why he doesn't post anymore, then I guess we'll never hear from him...
Ok, that was SimPattyK calling from vacation! :icon_geek: :icon_lol:
Now LunattyK says Goodnight to you all!
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Sim,
I hope you feel better. If you take a break you probably will. I didn't start studying the bible until this year either. There are also other stories and prophecies from the Mayans,Native Americans etc. It's all connected to everything that's going on in the world.
I think one of the major reasons if not the major reason for the death hoax is to fulfill bible prophecy and maybe other prophecies.
I have to work also but I think it's important to do this so I'll do some each day. Michael's giving us clues in order to know what's important to look at such as water,blood,dove,holy spirit,egyptians,moon,throne etc. That's how I'm narrowing it down and finding things. I don't even know how it's working but it is.
So, thanks Michael so much. Love you.
:bearhug: feel better SimPattyK
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My opinion is that the signs would have received more attention if posted right here, not on the other forum. Well, it's just my opinion.
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It is so hard to have Bible related discussions without seeming disrespectful and dismissive, which is why I rarely attempt it, but @MJonmind, I said I'd get back to you and I've responded to your comments below (quotes from you are in italics).
I was thinking along similar lines. I see some discussion trying to disprove what he's saying, as if his whole essay wasn't even important. That kinda bothers me, because then why even be here, if you don't agree with MJ.
Hasn't all of this open-minded hoax investigation been about teaching us to discuss, dissect, TRY to disprove commonly held beliefs, and take nothing as truth no matter who delivers it, without thorough research. I don't ever remember MJ or TS or The Sign say I have to agree with him, and Front most definitely said I don't, in order to be included and have a place in his forest or on his hoax train.
We're trying to understand the purpose of the hoax, short and long term, and we want to understand what it is that MJ wants to communicate to us on a deeper level, past the fun stuff. "Get to know the man we never knew." If we believe in somebody and love them as we say, shouldn't that change us and our own thinking in some way as well, otherwise why say we love him and believe in him.
It is totally possible to love and respect someone without sharing all of their beliefs. Isn't that what real love is all about, accepting differences without feeling threatened or defensive - after all, it's easy to love someone who is basically the same as ourselves!
Or we somehow fit what we think he is saying with what we already believe, so we don't have to change anything. MJ says look in the mirror, and 'make that change'.
Can't disagree with that last sentence. It's the key to everything - "Be the change you want to see in the world" - Gandhi
JMO but I see unwillingness to agree with what he is saying. Maybe we could discuss this a little, because this cuts to the core of who we are and why we're here. Do some of us secretly scoff and recoil at what he's saying, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge if what he's saying might be true.
That is a possibility. I am working on the 'who I am' bit and as of now I cannot embrace Biblical and God-related ideas. I'll leave it at that for now.
Just throwing out some thoughts. Perhaps none of this matters, and TS is on his schedule of when to put out Sign #3, and doesn't care how we receive or if we wrestle or not with Sign #1 or #2. Do you think The Signs are a side issue for TS, or the main goal that all the other fun hoax stuff was to prepare us for? Each of us remaining here, have various gifts/talents/knowlege areas to contribute to analyzing, connecting dots, and lay down organized discussion for these signs.
I think the Signs are a major, if not the main, goal, yes. And that takes me back to Front's forest!
Maybe each of us are waiting for someone else to do more IDK.
I am the only one responsible for me.
Now I'm late for work! Catch up with you later. xx :bearhug:
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I think sometimes we forget TS is human. ;) It HAS been a long time since the last post/sign and instead of calling out to him, making demands of a new sign, I can't help but be a little concerned.
I think we, as a group, should pray for TS. Like I said, he's human... he has a life. We have no clue really what is going on in his world.
You know? What if he got injured? What if he was a regular Joe (no pun intended) with a corporate job that he has now lost due to recession and has no place to live? What if his computer died and he can't afford a new one? What if he is dealing with a personal crisis? What if? What if? What if? There are so many things that COULD be going on!
So could you all do me a favor and take a moment sometime today and just say a prayer that WHATEVER is going on in the world of TS, that God be with him and deliver him back to what GOD wants him to be doing.
Thanks everyone.
And TS.... I miss you... I appreciate you... and I pray I am totally overreacting in my what ifs :over-react-smiley:
I'm praying for you and that you will honor God with your life, you will be strong, and you will fight to do what God needs you to do for His purpose in your life.
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My opinion is that the signs would have received more attention if posted right here, not on the other forum. Well, it's just my opinion.
Probably but you know all the complaining before...
Simpa, you know what else I appreciate about you --you keep it real!
Dontwalkaway, in your sweet manner you read and watch everything others suggest (don't know how you do it all :affraid:), and you keep such an open mind--comparing, connecting, not disdaining anything, or staying safe with established pre-conceived beliefs.
:th_bravo:
Lilwendy
I think sometimes we forget TS is human.
That's what makes him perfect for the job! A perfect representative (Agent MJ :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile) for planet Earth!
What if? What if? What if?
I agree we should keep him/them in our hearts and prayers!
Curls, thanks for your responses!
Hasn't all of this open-minded hoax investigation been about teaching us to discuss, dissect, TRY to disprove commonly held beliefs, and take nothing as truth no matter who delivers it, without thorough research. I don't ever remember MJ or TS or The Sign say I have to agree with him, and Front most definitely said I don't, in order to be included and have a place in his forest or on his hoax train.
The only way we will know if the popular Christian escatological interpretation or MJ's thinking is correct is after it all happens. So far who can know. The theologians and avid students of the literal Bible approach are sure theirs is sound, and confidently call it 'the truth', and TS puts out his teaching calling it "first time ever revealed" :icon_eek: :icon_e_biggrin:. Pretty bold and cocky I'd say! :icon_mrgreen: And I like it, cuz I like MJ!!
Well Jesus hasn't come yet after 2000 years, and Christians have speculated that many horrible people through the centuries were the Anti-christ, including Hitler. They've put out their dates, and detailed exegesis's resulting in a mind-numbing array of what is what. Libraries are full of them. Prophecy conventions abound all over the place with Doctors and Professors pontificating eloquently. I've listened to that all my life. But...if Jesus actually lived, why did he fulfill the aspects of some Egyptian deities like die and be raised 3 days later, have 12 disciples, etc. I've also read that the Bible may have been intended to have a cryptic layer of symbolic meaning for the elite (the gods), and to be taken more literally for the masses to keep them in control.
Maybe MJ is beating the elite (the gods) at their own game. He'll use Scripture the way he jolly-well feels like it, and turn the tables on their heads. Instead of an end-time scenario of death and destruction for billions of people on earth like Revelation foretells, the outcome can be changed. Is it all God's game, does He have another possible ending--provided someone is willing to stand up to Him, and say I challenge you? And God says, OKay let's play! We only THINK the Bible tells us everything we need to know about God. I do firmly believe in a Creator--Intelligent Designer, but beyond that I don't believe the Bible tells us everything by a long shot.
I'd really like to see where MJ/TS/Elvis take us with all the Signs, cuz I'm done with religion--that bubble has burst for me and I'll never go back. Whether there are billions of other planets out there with life/beings via UFO's that may have been involved with genetic life here (whites with blacks), and whether Reptilians live among us that connect to the Royals, NWO, Jews, bankers, Anti-christ, etc., whether earth's long history includes many, many cycles of re-creation, new story-plot and destruction (like Genesis to Revelation) --all of them are still under the control of the Master Designer, who can do whatever the %*@ He wants to. We're all specks of His imagination! Well, there's some of my musings!! So sorry!! :)
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I think sometimes we forget TS is human. ;) It HAS been a long time since the last post/sign and instead of calling out to him, making demands of a new sign, I can't help but be a little concerned.
I think we, as a group, should pray for TS. Like I said, he's human... he has a life. We have no clue really what is going on in his world.
You know? What if he got injured? What if he was a regular Joe (no pun intended) with a corporate job that he has now lost due to recession and has no place to live? What if his computer died and he can't afford a new one? What if he is dealing with a personal crisis? What if? What if? What if? There are so many things that COULD be going on!
So could you all do me a favor and take a moment sometime today and just say a prayer that WHATEVER is going on in the world of TS, that God be with him and deliver him back to what GOD wants him to be doing.
Thanks everyone.
And TS.... I miss you... I appreciate you... and I pray I am totally overreacting in my what ifs :over-react-smiley:
I'm praying for you and that you will honor God with your life, you will be strong, and you will fight to do what God needs you to do for His purpose in your life.
I don't think it's something wrong with TS. He is very much alive and well. I pray for Michael (Jackson the King of Pop, so there's no confusion). Selfish I know. But he's the center of this hoax world and the reason why I am here.
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Thanks for your 'musings' MJonmind!
You know, the hurdle I can never get over, and believe me I have tried many times over the course of many years (bear in mind I'm old!) is that the Bible (going along for a while with the huge assumption that it is 'from God', and the huge assumption that He exists in the first place, and without these assumptions it is no more than a work of literature), is impossible to comprehend without help and that 'help' is purely another man's interpretation, or worse still an organised religion's interpretation. I find it arrogant of mankind to think we are so clever as to know it all, to have worked it all out.
I am open-minded enough to appreciate that the myriad of details in signs 1 and 2 MAY be building up to the proof of something huge as the Signs move on, and that's why I am still watching here. But I have to admit that right now they seem like distracting 'clutter' that has nothing to do with what we, as members of the human race, should be seeking - to find the man/woman we really are, to find our hidden depths, to be the best we can be. That is what I believe brings about change, like ripples in water, and while I understand that many do that with the assistance of a belief in God, I personally don't feel that need. I think we have all we need already within each one of us.
I hope no-one is offended by anything I've said.
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Thanks for your 'musings' MJonmind!
You know, the hurdle I can never get over, and believe me I have tried many times over the course of many years (bear in mind I'm old!) is that the Bible (going along for a while with the huge assumption that it is 'from God', and the huge assumption that He exists in the first place, and without these assumptions it is no more than a work of literature), is impossible to comprehend without help and that 'help' is purely another man's interpretation, or worse still an organised religion's interpretation. I find it arrogant of mankind to think we are so clever as to know it all, to have worked it all out.
I am open-minded enough to appreciate that the myriad of details in signs 1 and 2 MAY be building up to the proof of something huge as the Signs move on, and that's why I am still watching here. But I have to admit that right now they seem like distracting 'clutter' that has nothing to do with what we, as members of the human race, should be seeking - to find the man/woman we really are, to find our hidden depths, to be the best we can be. That is what I believe brings about change, like ripples in water, and while I understand that many do that with the assistance of a belief in God, I personally don't feel that need. I think we have all we need already within each one of us.
I hope no-one is offended by anything I've said.
I tend to agree. Great post, Curls. :icon_e_smile:
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TS would never just leave, IMO.. We know Michael he always waits. He'll stop right in the middle of a song and just freeze. It makes it more intense.. the crowd goes insane, just by him turning his head! :icon_e_smile:
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MJonMind
I Love All Your Musings and I think your pretty open-minded too. That's how we'll expand our horizons and go forward.
Love You All
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@GINA we will see if your math works tomorrow :icon_lol:
In Romania there are 52 minutes left till tomorrow. We'll know soon enough :icon_mrgreen:.
:icon_mrgreen: it seems that your math went all down the toilet :icon_lol:
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@GINA we will see if your math works tomorrow :icon_lol:
In Romania there are 52 minutes left till tomorrow. We'll know soon enough :icon_mrgreen:.
:icon_mrgreen: it seems that your math went all down the toilet :icon_lol:
:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
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@GINA we will see if your math works tomorrow :icon_lol:
In Romania there are 52 minutes left till tomorrow. We'll know soon enough :icon_mrgreen:.
:icon_mrgreen: it seems that your math went all down the toilet :icon_lol:
:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
Hey.. from Thriller! "See you next Wednesday" you might be right Gina :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_cool:
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:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
you'll eventually get it right if you keep trying
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:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
you'll eventually get it right if you keep trying
thanx doc
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New Mayan Calendar Discovered That Doesn't End in 2012 - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/mayan-calendar-discovered-doesnt-end-2012-205022436.html;_ylt=AmpkER_wfJl2ZJE9gzjnW5zzWed_;_ylu=X3oDMTRvZWlwMmJ2BGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwM5YjgzYTVmMi0xNGUyLTNkYTUtYjhjMi0yN2ZjZDM2ZjJjZjIEcG9zAzYEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDMTA1OGIxODAtOWFlMi0xMWUxLWFlMGItMGY1NTY4NzcyYmUz;_ylg=X3oDMTM3N2ZhZ2hxBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNjM5MWNhOWItODY5NS0zMzkwLWI3M2UtMzVmYmI3NGY3ZWUxBHBzdGNhdAN1c3xjcmltZXMgYW5kIHRyaWFscwRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3)
New Mayan Calendar Discovered That Doesn't End in 2012
By Dashiell Bennett | The Atlantic Wire – 7 hrs ago
Archeologists have unearthed what they say is the oldest known version of the Mayan calendar and one that doesn't "end" with the Earth's destruction later this year. Yeah, you're welcome.
RELATED: Big Hats, Eye Candy, and Doomsday Dates
According to The Washington Post's Brian Vastag, researchers excavating the "lost" city of Xultún in present-day Guatemala discovered new astronomical tables carved into the wall of a "1200-year-old residential building." Much like the Maya codices that conspiracy theorists say predict an end-of-the-world date in December 2012, the tables chart planetary movements, moon and star patterns, and can predict the positions of celestial bodies thousands of years into the past and the future.
Numerous doomsday predictions are based on the claim that previously known codieces, like the famous Dresden Codex, chart the entire length of human history, but mysteriously stop on December 21, 2012 as if the Mayans knew that would be the last day humans would be around. However, the archeologists say that these the newly discovered tables — which pre-date the oldest known codex by as much as 500 years — span over 7,000 years of time, stretching far beyond of present age. So, you can breathe a little easier, though the news will come as a big shock to the tourism industry in Belize and other "entreprenuers" who are willing to take all your money off your hands before the big one hits.
If you still need something to panic about, Tulane University’s Marc Zender, who led the expedition, says that the Mayan calendar still begins a new “long cycle” in 2012, but compares he compares to an "odometer on a car rolling over from 99,999 miles to zero: “You go, ‘Yay,’ but the car just doesn’t disappear.” Oh, really? Well, we'll see about that.
So the Mayans don't seem to have predicted EOW occurring on 12-21-12 as previously believed. I wonder how/if this changes things for The Signs project.
I do find it more then a little convenient that this "new" discovery happened in 2012.
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I believe the Mayans basically relocated from a local drought, so dropped what they were working on. They had real life issues to deal with, such as, you know, finding water, putting food in their mouth.
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:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
you'll eventually get it right if you keep trying
:icon_lol: like Thomas Edison!
Bec
So the Mayans don't seem to have predicted EOW occurring on 12-21-12 as previously believed. I wonder how/if this changes things for The Signs project.
I do find it more then a little convenient that this "new" discovery happened in 2012.
It seems to me in Sign #1 he says that date is not really that important after all, so maybe it was just a prop in the MJ hoax, and good for the movie '2012' in which the main role was named 'Jackson' who saved humanity. He says the real end of the world will come a few years from now and we won't get old unless we already are. Hmm... :icon_eek: :icon_e_confused:
I remember someone posted this pic a while back which I liked.
(http://www.dailyfunnystuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mayan-Calendar.jpg)
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I remember someone posted this pic a while back which I liked.
(http://www.dailyfunnystuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mayan-Calendar.jpg)
Not someone. Me. Ginafelalallalallal LOL!
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@GINA we will see if your math works tomorrow :icon_lol:
In Romania there are 52 minutes left till tomorrow. We'll know soon enough :icon_mrgreen:.
:icon_mrgreen: it seems that your math went all down the toilet :icon_lol:
:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
I am waiting :icon_mrgreen:
:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
you'll eventually get it right if you keep trying
You should say this to the MAYAN too ^^
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the Maya failed to announce the end of the world, they said that a new cycle of life would begin on Earth. To be referred to the new order or World Government? The time could go clarifying doubts.
The safest prophecy is the word of God
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I can't shake this feeling that the 3rd sign has been already been posted......we are just failing to see it or understand it. I have never believed TS would stick to the script, so to speak. This whole hoax is an out-of-box equation that is designed to make us think. Why on Earth would he spoon feed us with each and every redirect/sign? Could it be possible he decided to switch things up and make the sign something totally different....Coachella? The recent Piers interview? Under another username here? TS is tricky, just like dear Front. I don't want to read things into everything we see/read/hear....but, I am thinking we have definitely been exposed to the 3rd sign already.......just unknowingly. We claim to be such "knowers" of this hoax.......in my humble opinion of myself......I don't know anything. I believe, I suspect, I question it extensively.....but know nothing. It's a frustrating thing really. However, faith swoops in and saves the day....all will be OK.
So, given this perplexity.....any thoughts on what that 3rd sign might be and why? I am at a loss...I stated a couple thoughts above....but just thoughts.
Blessings
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Signs 1 and 2 had to do with bible prophecy so I'm just thinking that sign 3 will also.
Sign 2 had to do with knowing the feast days. These dates are important. They are appointed times set by God in order for us to know what to look for/do during the end times. Maybe we have to know and understand this better before we can go on ??? For example, You have to know your multiplication tables before you can do algebra !!!
It just seems like we are going in steps and building on what we learned before. I found some good videos explaining more about the feast days. They are posted on the sister site Michael's Army Of Love. They are by Mark Blitz. He talks about the importance of the feast days and how they are connected to the old and new testaments. Everyone is trying so hard to figure out dates and BAM date etc. I think we should follow the clues that they are telling us to follow such as the feast dates. These feasts follow the creators/Gods calendar so maybe we should do that. That's what TS is telling us to find out about in so many words. The calendar follows the moon and the sun, and especially the phases of the moon. Don't you think Michael wants us to pay attention to the moon ? (moonwalker,moon walk, full moon/werewolf, Scared of the Moon,) He owns land on the moon and B.Howard is going to do a concert on the moon !!!!! :fresse:
There have been hints about baptism, the holy spirit, and resurrection, lately so maybe sign 3 may have to do with that ???? I really don't know. I'm just guessing.
Love You All :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
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I can't shake this feeling that the 3rd sign has been already been posted......we are just failing to see it or understand it. I have never believed TS would stick to the script, so to speak. This whole hoax is an out-of-box equation that is designed to make us think. Why on Earth would he spoon feed us with each and every redirect/sign? Could it be possible he decided to switch things up and make the sign something totally different....Coachella? The recent Piers interview? Under another username here? TS is tricky, just like dear Front. I don't want to read things into everything we see/read/hear....but, I am thinking we have definitely been exposed to the 3rd sign already.......just unknowingly. We claim to be such "knowers" of this hoax.......in my humble opinion of myself......I don't know anything. I believe, I suspect, I question it extensively.....but know nothing. It's a frustrating thing really. However, faith swoops in and saves the day....all will be OK.
So, given this perplexity.....any thoughts on what that 3rd sign might be and why? I am at a loss...I stated a couple thoughts above....but just thoughts.
Blessings
Oooo clever...
Yes, perhaps Front's notes?
They certainly were a sign to me.
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Maybe the 3rd Sign (handwritten notes) is a way to connect TIAI and Official back/Front threads, just a thought ! :icon_mrgreen:
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I can't shake this feeling that the 3rd sign has been already been posted......we are just failing to see it or understand it. I have never believed TS would stick to the script, so to speak. This whole hoax is an out-of-box equation that is designed to make us think. Why on Earth would he spoon feed us with each and every redirect/sign? Could it be possible he decided to switch things up and make the sign something totally different....Coachella? The recent Piers interview? Under another username here? TS is tricky, just like dear Front. I don't want to read things into everything we see/read/hear....but, I am thinking we have definitely been exposed to the 3rd sign already.......just unknowingly. We claim to be such "knowers" of this hoax.......in my humble opinion of myself......I don't know anything. I believe, I suspect, I question it extensively.....but know nothing. It's a frustrating thing really. However, faith swoops in and saves the day....all will be OK.
So, given this perplexity.....any thoughts on what that 3rd sign might be and why? I am at a loss...I stated a couple thoughts above....but just thoughts.
Blessings
Oooo clever...
Yes, perhaps Front's notes?
They certainly were a sign to me.
Exactly......great thinking bec! I think things like this should be at least considered..........
@dontwalkaway.....Tupac was a resurrection of sorts......you are very right about the Biblical
aspects of 1 and 2....there might very well be another. Tupac was mentioned in the TIAI Udate #1 redirect we have been talking about over on the Back/Front thread:
TIAI UPDATE #1: HIGH PROBABILITY OF MJ “RETURN” THIS MONTH! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=3391.msg52818#msg52818)
Great thoughts guys...thank you!
Blessings Always
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@Wishy: I LOVED your post! great idea!! it's possible that we may have already received Sign 3 and it's up to us to figure it out. :icon_e_wink:
On the other hand, there are 2 reasons why I think we haven't seen Sign 3 yet:
1. The latest BIG news we had since Sign 2, "big" in the sense that they would mean something in HOAXland were the following: 2PAC's hologram, Front's hand-notes & T-shirt, the Jacksons' Unity Tour & interview. I hope I'm not missing anything here.
I kind of doubt these events ^^ are likely to be the continuation of the first 2 Signs we had from TS.
2. Maybe there was a change of plans (again!!), the HOAX is opened to anything after all, isn't it?? Therefore, shifting scenarios and unexpected situations are nothing to be surprised at! Don't forget that TS never finished LEVEL 7 as he had promised. So maybe now we won't have the rest of the Signs either! Or maybe he just skips Sign 3 and/or Sign 4, then he continues... I don't know!!
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Wishingstar from the link you posted: TIAI UPDATE #1: HIGH PROBABILITY OF MJ “RETURN” THIS MONTH! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=3391.msg52818#msg52818)
Recently, TMZ gave a huge clue with the following statement: “Much like 2Pac, Michael Jackson has no problem releasing new music, even though he’s ... ya know, dead.” {http://http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/03/michael-jackson-lenny-kravitz-leaked-song-another-day/}. All MJ hoax investigators immediately recognize that 2Pac is heavily associated with the “death faker” concept—and yet, to make it even clearer, TMZ went right on to infer that MJ is not really dead: “even though he’s ... ya know, dead.” (the “…” ellipse here is in the TMZ article, indicating that they are leaving something unstated about the MJ “death”).
I think TS also may simply be busy on more amazing aspects to the Project! He did keep to the Levels and Updates except for ALWAYS the tricky #7 giving me the message that like Revelation, the #7 is the BIGGIE!!
TS on Jan 11
I thought that I would have time over the holidays for level 7 here; but that didn't happen, sorry.
Obviously, others can continue the investigation here; and I will be back here as soon as I can.
For sure, all three 7's will be done by the end of 2012: Level 7, Update 7, and Sign 7 (777).
:!: :!: :!:
and Dec 12
Just a short note ...
Haven't been here on the forum much since 11-30; and I have not had time to read the threads. I'm in the middle of an important project. But I will be back next week sometime to catch up on the threads, and work on finishing level 7.
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It's an interesting thought that TS might communicate another way, but I really don't think that's his modus operandi. He is always extremely organized, but always random on which day or how long between posts, but I believe he'll post when 'it's time'.
Dontwalkaway, personally I have uneasy feelings with all these speakers such as Mark Blitz, though they and their perspective, are popular in pro-modern Israel mainstream evangelical Christianity. I just don't think TS' sources are coming from that direction, but I could be wrong. They seem to monopolize the area. Could you find alternative perspectives on the feasts and matching days of our calendars, so we can at least compare and contrast? Thanks!
I would really love to hear from JW members here, on how they view Sign #1 and #2. So please Aussie and the other ones here, that would be really appreciated. Or did you post and I'm forgetting? :icon_redface:
You know, like a short paragraph for each of his paragraphs, or even just a few key ones that you choose. Sorry if I'm sounding pushy, just a grateful request?? :) Thanks in advance!
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Thanks guys....I really appreciate the posts!
I just occurred to me that perhaps TS had the intent of using Signs 3 and 4 to equal that of level 7
(3 + 4 =7) Or some form of this anyways......
Still thinking out loud here....we'll get there someday, LOL...
Blessings
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Interesting thoughts Wish...I tend to think that Sign 3 will be similar in 'style' to the previous Signs. But with TS, who the heck knows anymore? :Pulling_hair:
On another note...I'm not sure if it's celebrated everywhere tomorrow but it would be REALLY nice for TS and Front to give a 'shout-out' to all celebrating Mother's Day tomorrow.
Just a thought...and a hope.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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TS has told us that the bible, end time prophecy, and the ark are significant parts of the hoax. There are a few of us still looking at sign 1 and sign 2 on the sister site Michael's Army of Love. There are so many connections to Michael's songs, and messages and even hoax clues. Also, current events, religion,politics,history and what is going on in science is all connected. It's also connected to the bible and other texts. It's amazing. It will help you connect the dots. It will help you find the truth about a lot of what is going on. We have to find the real "history" etc. so we have to look at everything.
There's so much. I am trying to read a little each day. We posted information about the signs, the antichrist, prophecies of Daniel, book of revelation, book of Enoch etc. This is directly related to the end times. This is also related to the crop circles and the UFO sightings and abductions etc. Even if you're not religious it's good to learn about everything including the bible. And not only that, it's information that the "dark side" is using against us so we have to educate and search things out for ourselves. They would like to keep us in the dark and deceive us if they can.
Please join us over there. I posted something for sign 2 a few days ago. It was about "Baptism by Blood". I was thinking that the Wave Sheaf and the Laver were related to baptism. I don't really know. It holds water which seems significant. Also this festival is about resurrection and rebirth. The wave sheaf offering is the first grain offering. (spring, new beginnings). Also, to calculate the festival of first fruits you have to know the day of the wave sheaf offering. This day of first fruits represents rebirth and resurrection. It was said that Jesus was resurrected on the day of first fruits. So this day seems important. The problem is that we found out there are different calendars. You have to calculate the days according to how God/creator said to do it.
Also, we were talking about the many references to "blood". During the last supper Jesus asks the disciples to drink wine which represents his blood. This was an everlasting covenant. There are also references to water during the story of the last supper. There was a man with a jug of water who stood at the gates of the city so the apostles could find where to go for the last supper. Some of us were following the jugs of Fuji water during the hoax so it seemed similar. I can't explain it all on here. There is more on the other site.
So do you see how everything is becoming connected ? Illuminati/military-industrial complex/ TPTB want to keep us in the dark about true history,politics,science etc. There is a lot of hidden information. The NWO want to take over the world. They could use a fake ark, fake messiah/ ant-christ, fake or real UFO's, project blue beam and many other things to deceive us. What about the mark of the beast, RFID chips, forced vaccinations etc. They can use a lot of evil. They can use the division between race and religions against us. They can cause economic collapse so they can take over and do what they want ? Some religious organizations are deceitful. You have to investigate and try to learn the truth for yourself.
Sorry for going on so long but I think we can help each other discover and spread information and truth. How else are we going to heal the world and spread love ???
We have to know who to trust.
Love You All
This just says it ALL! THANK YOU. :)
IMHO, I think the SIGNS messages are a little overwhelming for unchurched people, and a little deep for even churchy folk, who perhaps had not even realized there was SO MUCH more to be found in their own Bible and inside God, because the common (Christian, at least) get-together has degenerated into a formula of either a liturgy, where a few people do it all, or a meeting where one guy teaches from his own personal study, and we all thank God for the lesson, by singing. This is ok as long as people in their INDIVIDUAL walk on earth, crack the Scriptures for themselves and find out if ANY of it applies to their lives.
ALL too often, we take someone's word for it, that it is all crap some man dreamed up one night, OR that we are doing enough to simply ATTEND meetings where God is talked about by others. I believe God has SOOOOOOOOOOOO :icon_bounce: much more for us, individually, than we've ever realized, simply because we've never fully tapped into :bearhug: Him alone, without the crowd (just relying on others to throw us a crumb, here and there).
But it is not for the faint of heart. It is for gutsy people willing to take the time to study and discover the Truth. And it is not as complicated as all of the details in the SIGNs so far. (I looked at those and went :affraid: ;), just my preliminary reaction! :icon_redface: , not because I disagree, but because the only people I thought studied the Scriptures in THIS depth, were Hebrew Scholars, :icon_e_biggrin: and Rabbis. Maaaybe a preacher or two in seminary, and all Jewish young men, by command of their religion. I never knew anyone who knew more than a general lesson or two, on types and shadows or temple furniture!)
It may be more of a gift than any of us realizes yet, to have this easily cross-checked and verified information freely explained to us by someone who was diligent to do deep study and bring it. (Notice, I did not say "spoonfeed us".) :icon_mrgreen:
One doesn't need to retain all this info in order to be friends with God. It is as simple as welcoming Him into your heart and life, asking Him to teach you how to be a friend, BACK. :icon_bounce: But the SIGNs thread explains some of His genius and design and plans for the people He made, so you CAN'T ever go back to doubting His interest in our less than perfect existence. He IS Love. He loves US, every unique one of us and wants to be close to each one. :)
It is exactly like all the twists and turns in this Death Hoax, how we have discovered more and more about MJ and how much of his thought and his planning has gone into this adventure. 8) ;D We begin to see that it IS ALL FOR LOVE, and not just a strategy to help him disappear or get his enemies. We begin to see things about MJ we never did get in 25 years, and begin to take his message seriously, that the bottom line is and will always be LOVE; THE SAME AS GOD'S bottom line. :icon_e_surprised: :icon_cool:.
It is the truth: EVERYthing disturbing and creepy and wrong about our planet is due to a lack, and ofttimes SEVERE deficit, of LOVE. Not God's love towards us, but our love for God and for each other.
It sounds so flowery and cutesy and tender and sweet--maybe a tad wimpy or helpless, but there is more mighty power in real Love in practice, than in any army, any weapon, any government, any atomic bomb. And it is more satisfying to the soul than ANY of the selfish things we do to each other or the earth.
Does anyone remember the interview with(the Artist called) Prince, where people were giggling about Michael Jackson? It wasn't mean, just that his "aw shucks love and cuteness" was being compared to a real gritty (and naughty)Prince. I think they were trying to start something, a public rumble or something, :icon_rolleyes: :icon_evil: and I almost turned it off, because I expected P to just haughtily laugh, like, "YEAH, :icon_twisted: go GET him! Let's DO it!" But, in a kind of marveling way, Prince said, :icon_eek:
NOT SO FAST
He went on to say that Michael just may have a handle on SOMETHING. I was thinking, "You are darn right, guy, you'd better admit it, MJ is the BOMB! You are a blowpop" :TongueOutSmiley: But Prince wasn't being cocky or even acquiescent to a better artist; he was in awe of the MAN. ??? :icon_e_surprised: It shut me up! It shut EVERYBODY up for a second, there. :o It was cool. It was a real MOMMENT, for certain. ;)
Prince :bowdown: MUST have FELT what MJ "KNEW", about real love, the POWER, not that phony, worldy, no guts, emotion, and I just think, now, MJ is pulling out all the stops--this is it---to teach about it to us!
Well, to those of us who can take a bit of the things of God :icon_bounce: with our Michael Jackson... He’s not "in your face", with it, but I think everyone knows by now that God :-* was important to MJ, and all he asks us to do is visit the sister site and take a thoughtful look at all TS says, IF we want to KNOW what he knows…We still get to decide what to beLIEve. NO PRESSURE to post or not. :icon_e_smile:
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Thank you It's Her for your response.
I am with you. It never hurts to read or learn anything. It doesn't mean you have to believe it. You might even find out that you like it and it's extremely helpful and enlightening because that's exactly what happened to me.
Many are racking their brains about dates,times, etc. Maybe it's right there for us if we look at what was posted for us. The festivals, and events in the bible go according to God/creators calendar. I was thinking that maybe that events connected to the hoax could be following this also ?? hmmmmm........
Love You All
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I can't shake this feeling that the 3rd sign has been already been posted......we are just failing to see it or understand it. I have never believed TS would stick to the script, so to speak. This whole hoax is an out-of-box equation that is designed to make us think. Why on Earth would he spoon feed us with each and every redirect/sign? Could it be possible he decided to switch things up and make the sign something totally different....Coachella? The recent Piers interview? Under another username here? TS is tricky, just like dear Front. I don't want to read things into everything we see/read/hear....but, I am thinking we have definitely been exposed to the 3rd sign already.......just unknowingly. We claim to be such "knowers" of this hoax.......in my humble opinion of myself......I don't know anything. I believe, I suspect, I question it extensively.....but know nothing. It's a frustrating thing really. However, faith swoops in and saves the day....all will be OK.
So, given this perplexity.....any thoughts on what that 3rd sign might be and why? I am at a loss...I stated a couple thoughts above....but just thoughts.
Blessings
I'm just catching up on this thread. I haven't checked it in a while....I was pondering the same thing too wishingstar over on the Front thread:
Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21825.msg403223#msg403223)
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Wishingstar from the link you posted: TIAI UPDATE #1: HIGH PROBABILITY OF MJ “RETURN” THIS MONTH! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=3391.msg52818#msg52818)
Recently, TMZ gave a huge clue with the following statement: “Much like 2Pac, Michael Jackson has no problem releasing new music, even though he’s ... ya know, dead.” {http://http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/03/michael-jackson-lenny-kravitz-leaked-song-another-day/}. All MJ hoax investigators immediately recognize that 2Pac is heavily associated with the “death faker” concept—and yet, to make it even clearer, TMZ went right on to infer that MJ is not really dead: “even though he’s ... ya know, dead.” (the “…” ellipse here is in the TMZ article, indicating that they are leaving something unstated about the MJ “death”).
I think TS also may simply be busy on more amazing aspects to the Project! He did keep to the Levels and Updates except for ALWAYS the tricky #7 giving me the message that like Revelation, the #7 is the BIGGIE!!
TS on Jan 11
I thought that I would have time over the holidays for level 7 here; but that didn't happen, sorry.
Obviously, others can continue the investigation here; and I will be back here as soon as I can.
For sure, all three 7's will be done by the end of 2012: Level 7, Update 7, and Sign 7 (777).
:!: :!: :!:
and Dec 12
Just a short note ...
Haven't been here on the forum much since 11-30; and I have not had time to read the threads. I'm in the middle of an important project. But I will be back next week sometime to catch up on the threads, and work on finishing level 7.
typing/
It's an interesting thought that TS might communicate another way, but I really don't think that's his modus operandi. He is always extremely organized, but always random on which day or how long between posts, but I believe he'll post when 'it's time'.
Dontwalkaway, personally I have uneasy feelings with all these speakers such as Mark Blitz, though they and their perspective, are popular in pro-modern Israel mainstream evangelical Christianity. I just don't think TS' sources are coming from that direction, but I could be wrong. They seem to monopolize the area. Could you find alternative perspectives on the feasts and matching days of our calendars, so we can at least compare and contrast? Thanks!
MJonMind
I'm trying to get more information about the feast and festivals and the calendar. Mark Blitz was one of the first things I found and it seemed informative after just searching on youtube. There are others such as Repairingthebreach and 119Ministries and others. I will post when I get a chance. We can compare and contrast. Any help and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
some websites Repairing the Breach between God and man. (http://www.Repairingthebreach.com)
119 Ministries ~ Test Everything - 119 Ministries ~ Test Everything (http://www.119Ministries.com)
and there's also Chuck Missler
Anyone have something else ??????? Help!!!!!!!!! TS Where'd you go ???
I almost want to figure out the creator's calendar by ourselves using the bible because I keep finding different calendars. Both the Jews and the Christians modified the calendar through the ages.
Love You
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Dont quite know where to put this, but its interesting .... and a lot to read it talks about the 7 Seals
http://www.the-end.com/prophesied_end_time_ronald_weinland.pdf (http://www.the-end.com/prophesied_end_time_ronald_weinland.pdf)
Im wading through it at the moment. I hope it not off topic.
:icon_e_geek: :compute: :icon_redface:
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:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
No comment. just :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
any other crazy prediction?
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:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
No comment. just :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
any other crazy prediction?
I'm done with predictions LOL! Not my field :Crash:.
But seriously, I start to get worried about TS. What if something happened to her :icon_pale:?
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:icon_lol:
May I dare to make a new "prediction" :icon_lol:?
Better not :suspect:!
Ok, this time I place my bet on next Wednesday :bowdown:
:icon_lol:
No comment. just :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
any other crazy prediction?
I'm done with predictions LOL! Not my field :Crash:.
But seriously, I start to get worried about TS. What if something happened to her :icon_pale:?
her ?
maybe like @bec said due to lack of interest
look http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0 (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0) just 2 pages!!!
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Her? Gina, seriously. You mistake girls for guys and the other way around.
I'm sure TS is okay, he probably has a significant date for the third sign. Although I don't have a clue which date it could be.
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I can't shake this feeling that the 3rd sign has been already been posted......we are just failing to see it or understand it. I have never believed TS would stick to the script, so to speak. This whole hoax is an out-of-box equation that is designed to make us think. Why on Earth would he spoon feed us with each and every redirect/sign? Could it be possible he decided to switch things up and make the sign something totally different....Coachella? The recent Piers interview? Under another username here? TS is tricky, just like dear Front. I don't want to read things into everything we see/read/hear....but, I am thinking we have definitely been exposed to the 3rd sign already.......just unknowingly. We claim to be such "knowers" of this hoax.......in my humble opinion of myself......I don't know anything. I believe, I suspect, I question it extensively.....but know nothing. It's a frustrating thing really. However, faith swoops in and saves the day....all will be OK.
So, given this perplexity.....any thoughts on what that 3rd sign might be and why? I am at a loss...I stated a couple thoughts above....but just thoughts.
Blessings
I was thinking about that too. TS told that there were going to be 7 signs and the BAM is going to happen before 1/1/2013. We had only 2 signs, so aren't we going to slow if the BAM is going to happen soon? I do believe that Front is TS, so maybe like you said, Front's posts are the signs but I don't think so. We'll see of course.
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I think everything is going as planned. TS knows what he's doing.
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Her? Gina, seriously. You mistake girls for guys and the other way around.
I'm sure TS is okay, he probably has a significant date for the third sign. Although I don't have a clue which date it could be.
But how do you know for sure it's a he? I am not sure either way.
I am not so sure TS is OK.
It's not lack of interest. If I wasn't interested I wouldn't have read it 2-3 times. But I don't know what to comment on it.
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TS is definitely a woman :Þ
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
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Maybe SEHF's a woman too!
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Does TS gender really matter to anyone? (e.g. vs the messages that are given)
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Does TS gender really matter to anyone? (e.g. vs the messages that are given)
It does to me :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
I don't want to be considered a lesbian, because I think I'm not :suspect:
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
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???
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I think everything is going as planned. TS knows what he's doing.
Yep I guess he will make his next post in due time but I'm about to become --->>>(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__smokelots.gif)
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This old thread popped up in my list.
True. TS have not been posting lately. And now when I am motivated reading about God, Jesus and all that the main source posting biblical quotes is not posting any longer. Dammit!
Btw, did you know that it is believed that spices were extinguished and/or evolving due to climatic changes?
A drastic climate change would for sure mean EOW or at least, as we know the world today, as per history has shown. Good that is not happening by now and is not happening in the near future either.
I am still bugged by the "We have 4 years" Michael said.
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Does TS gender really matter to anyone? (e.g. vs the messages that are given)
It does to me :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
I don't want to be considered a lesbian, because I think I'm not :suspect:
Too late after your thing with Blackjack lol.
Not that there's anything wrong with it.
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I think everything is going as planned. TS knows what he's doing.
Yep I guess he will make his next post in due time but I'm about to become --->>>(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__smokelots.gif)
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: Well at least I know what you WON'T be smoking.
:LolLolLolLol:
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I think everything is going as planned. TS knows what he's doing.
Yep I guess he will make his next post in due time but I'm about to become --->>>(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__smokelots.gif)
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: Well at least I know what you WON'T be smoking.
:LolLolLolLol:
HAHAHAHAHA
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Does TS gender really matter to anyone? (e.g. vs the messages that are given)
It does to me :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
I don't want to be considered a lesbian, because I think I'm not :suspect:
Too late after your thing with Blackjack lol.
Not that there's anything wrong with it.
It was good. I would do it again any time :icon_lol:!
Hey BJ, come out of hiding, I know you're still around :suspect:.
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
I wonder why :animal0017:.
If I take some time I can see ONE reason for her (SHEF) to believe that.
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
I wonder why :animal0017:.
If I take some time I can see ONE reason for her (SHEF) to believe that.
Gina you think the same. I can't prove I'm not but I am certain that people will know one day that I told the truth. Until then you can all believe whatever you want.
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I think everything is going as planned. TS knows what he's doing.
Yep I guess he will make his next post in due time but I'm about to become --->>>(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__smokelots.gif)
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: Well at least I know what you WON'T be smoking.
:LolLolLolLol:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Yeah me too. :icon_lol:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny43zFochi8[/youtube]
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
nah..
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
I wonder why :animal0017:.
If I take some time I can see ONE reason for her (SHEF) to believe that.
Gina you think the same. I can't prove I'm not but I am certain that people will know one day that I told the truth. Until then you can all believe whatever you want.
I WAS thinking the same sometime in the past. I am not thinking the same now.
But Sou there is one thing that I don't understand about TS and Front.
How comes they know just about everything that's happening here? One needs to dedicate a LOT of time to this forum to be updated on what's going on, what are we posting and so on. You see what I mean? The both of them are like ghosts in the walls. They know it all but they show themselves only for short periods of time. I don't have an answer to this.
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TS is definitely a woman :Þ
Why?, ...why affirm with so many certainty? :confused:
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
I wonder why :animal0017:.
If I take some time I can see ONE reason for her (SHEF) to believe that.
Gina you think the same. I can't prove I'm not but I am certain that people will know one day that I told the truth. Until then you can all believe whatever you want.
I WAS thinking the same sometime in the past. I am not thinking the same now.
But Sou there is one thing that I don't understand about TS and Front.
How comes they know just about everything that's happening here? One needs to dedicate a LOT of time to this forum to be updated on what's going on, what are we posting and so on. You see what I mean? The both of them are like ghosts in the walls. They know it all but they show themselves only for short periods of time. I don't have an answer to this.
Ever thought about the option that if they are not logged in to post, that they read as a guest?? You think I have time to read here, moderate here and also update both Front AND TS about everything that's going on here? Who do you think I am? Superwoman?
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lol what have I done..
TS has no gender and I retract all other gender accusations through the years..
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
I wonder why :animal0017:.
If I take some time I can see ONE reason for her (SHEF) to believe that.
Gina you think the same. I can't prove I'm not but I am certain that people will know one day that I told the truth. Until then you can all believe whatever you want.
I WAS thinking the same sometime in the past. I am not thinking the same now.
But Sou there is one thing that I don't understand about TS and Front.
How comes they know just about everything that's happening here? One needs to dedicate a LOT of time to this forum to be updated on what's going on, what are we posting and so on. You see what I mean? The both of them are like ghosts in the walls. They know it all but they show themselves only for short periods of time. I don't have an answer to this.
Ever thought about the option that if they are not logged in to post, that they read as a guest?? You think I have time to read here, moderate here and also update both Front AND TS about everything that's going on here? Who do you think I am? Superwoman?
Wouldn't that be cool :icon_bounce: :icon_lol:?
Forget about the logging in as a guest issue - I realize that.
What I don't get is how comes THEY have time? Or he? Is MJ having more time than ...you for example?
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lol what have I done..
TS has no gender and I retract all other gender accusations through the years..
you little liar :icon_mrgreen:
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What I don't get is how comes THEY have time? Or he? Is MJ having more time than ...you for example?
Well Gina, as far as I know, he doesn't exactly have a 'job' to go to right now does he?! Other than the one of keeping tabs on all things hoax-related, which would include us I suppose! I may be doing him a disservice here - I guess in some ways he may be busier than ever, it's just that it must be 'different' when you're, you know, 'dead'! Sounds quite appealing not having unwanted people making demands on your time and attention!
( :LolLolLolLol: I wonder if he's like us and gets on his computer first thing in the morning :compute: last thing at night :computer-losy-smiley: and at every other opportunity during the day :Crash: !!)
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How do you know that? You mentioned before that both TS and Front are women, what makes you sure about that?
Because SEHF thinks I am both TS and Front.
I wonder why :animal0017:.
If I take some time I can see ONE reason for her (SHEF) to believe that.
Gina you think the same. I can't prove I'm not but I am certain that people will know one day that I told the truth. Until then you can all believe whatever you want.
I WAS thinking the same sometime in the past. I am not thinking the same now.
But Sou there is one thing that I don't understand about TS and Front.
How comes they know just about everything that's happening here? One needs to dedicate a LOT of time to this forum to be updated on what's going on, what are we posting and so on. You see what I mean? The both of them are like ghosts in the walls. They know it all but they show themselves only for short periods of time. I don't have an answer to this.
Ever thought about the option that if they are not logged in to post, that they read as a guest?? You think I have time to read here, moderate here and also update both Front AND TS about everything that's going on here? Who do you think I am? Superwoman?
In a way you are, Souza, just by moderating, entertaining a chatroom, keeping 'the house clean' and doing all that tecnical entertaining needed for this forum.
:smiley_abuv:
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What I don't get is how comes THEY have time? Or he? Is MJ having more time than ...you for example?
( :LolLolLolLol: I wonder if he's like us and gets on his computer first thing in the morning :compute: last thing at night :computer-losy-smiley: and at every other opportunity during the day :Crash: !!)
Now I know!! MJ faked his death to spend half of his time on this forum :icon_lol:!
If we are addicts why wouldn't he be addicted too :icon_twisted:............ .........
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lol what have I done..
TS has no gender and I retract all other gender accusations through the years..
you little liar :icon_mrgreen:
:icon_lol:
What if we could never lie.... like Jim Carrey in Liar, Liar. He's trying SOOOO hard to lie but he can't because of his son's wish.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fla9FxpZPLc[/youtube]
Now I know!! MJ faked his death to spend half of his time on this forum !
If we are addicts why wouldn't he be addicted too ............ .........
Maybe he's addicted to coming up with new genius creative stuff, and watching everyone's reaction to it. He just can't get enough! :ghsdf: :icon_mrgreen:
I hope he keeps creating until he's 100, and we can keep enjoying it! He doesn't like to repeat himself, so it would always be a challenge and would keep our brains sharp! :icon_albino:
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lol what have I done..
TS has no gender and I retract all other gender accusations through the years..
you little liar :icon_mrgreen:
:icon_lol:
What if we could never lie.... like Jim Carrey in Liar, Liar. He's trying SOOOO hard to lie but he can't because of his son's wish.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fla9FxpZPLc[/youtube]
I :bowdown: WISH :bowdown: NOBODY :bowdown: HERE :bowdown: WERE ABLE TO LIE!!
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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MJonmind said....
I hope he keeps creating until he's 100, and we can keep enjoying it.
I've got no problem with him continuing on with the creativity as long as he BAMS first........otherwise, this is what our avatars will be looking like 30 years into the future of the MJ death hoax.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI0Knfvtne78R0nOvf7QZ5UcZFSOx56qrwzdoZUywyjXHBC7Fj)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqoGyxsPWnsHds0efKAa-ra8izH83y5YBhpIVQeWtoPgvPU1sj)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOPiyGXFo7vm143C-5SymmWxhBxYRHjMiDbPpKZlcxZh1AaxSSuQ)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7ON6TRJfrC2g96pGiJueB2tqYOWIGbPkAv9uIX5I4c2SR8x9EJA)
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI0Knfvtne78R0nOvf7QZ5UcZFSOx56qrwzdoZUywyjXHBC7Fj)
:thjajaja121:
ps: maybe YOUR avatar....cause I plan to die before looking like that :errrr:
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@RK: your pics crack me up!!! :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
What I don't get is how comes THEY have time? Or he? Is MJ having more time than ...you for example?
Well Gina, as far as I know, he doesn't exactly have a 'job' to go to right now does he?! Other than the one of keeping tabs on all things hoax-related, which would include us I suppose! I may be doing him a disservice here - I guess in some ways he may be busier than ever, it's just that it must be 'different' when you're, you know, 'dead'! Sounds quite appealing not having unwanted people making demands on your time and attention!
( :LolLolLolLol: I wonder if he's like us and gets on his computer first thing in the morning :compute: last thing at night :computer-losy-smiley: and at every other opportunity during the day :Crash: !!)
I agree with what you say, Curls and I fit your brakets-description, too !! :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
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TS are you OK?
At least let us know you are OK. :(
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MJonmind said....
I hope he keeps creating until he's 100, and we can keep enjoying it.
I've got no problem with him continuing on with the creativity as long as he BAMS first........otherwise, this is what our avatars will be looking like 30 years into the future of the MJ death hoax.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI0Knfvtne78R0nOvf7QZ5UcZFSOx56qrwzdoZUywyjXHBC7Fj)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqoGyxsPWnsHds0efKAa-ra8izH83y5YBhpIVQeWtoPgvPU1sj)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOPiyGXFo7vm143C-5SymmWxhBxYRHjMiDbPpKZlcxZh1AaxSSuQ)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7ON6TRJfrC2g96pGiJueB2tqYOWIGbPkAv9uIX5I4c2SR8x9EJA)
Hey all you smokers! The two with no teeth don't smoke, and the ones with teeth do. Smokin' at 100!
I don't smoke, but I believe some of that anti-smoking campaign is propaganda.
WAITE'S WEB WORLD - George Burns Tribute (http://waiteswebworld.com/oldsite/waite7.htm) :icon_e_wink:
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I don't get it. Where is TS? Where is Sign 3?? Where :Pulling_hair: ?????
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my original post was - OHH COME ON!! UNBEFREAKINLIEVABLE!! HAS TS TAKEN THIS LONG BEFORE?? but then i stumbled across this post on the back/front thread:
In times of silence, try not to get discouraged. It only means there is something BIG in the works…..and the "feather" will DEFINITELY be heard when it flutters to the "stage"
so i'll take a long walk :moonwalk_: hoping to find more patience. but if someone is playing games with us :images: (lol, wanted to use this one with L.O.V.E.) NOT :thjajaja121: FUNNY. p.s. if this is going to go on much longer can we get more symbols to play with :bearhug:
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I quit smoking :errrr:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7ON6TRJfrC2g96pGiJueB2tqYOWIGbPkAv9uIX5I4c2SR8x9EJA)
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Hello TS.....I've been thinking about you today and also thinking about how fantastic it would be to log on and find you had posted another sign......but I can wait it out.
@ Paula....the smokin' old ladies were a shout out to the marijuana thread.....made sense to me at the time :fresse:
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TS,
I'm watching for sign #3 also but I understand that this silence means that something is in the works. I was thinking that maybe sign 3 is connected in some way to signs 1 and 2 ??????? The Fall Feasts are coming in 3-4 months. Also, I've heard things about plans for the building of the third temple (Jerusalem). I think that could be a big sign ?? What about the NATO meeting a few days ago ? US signed for 14 more years of military involvement in Afghanistan !!! Did that pass ?? I saw all the protests in Chicago on CNN. Reorganizing military operations. That's a sign and a really bad one.
I don't know. Just some ideas.
:icon_e_ugeek:
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Anybody knows the EXACT calendar of those festivals? Not in the Jewish old calendar but in nowadays calendar.
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At this point i am of the opinion that TS and We know just the same. We are all in stand-by waiting for news telling us more about the truth.
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At this point i am of the opinion that TS and We know just the same. We are all in stand-by waiting for news telling us more about the truth.
About TS I am not sure anymore, but then you think TS is not Michael and he/she is waiting for news from Michael to be spread out on this forum again ?? :icon_eek:
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I think that we all are just waiting for the truth or another truth to come out since, and i talk for myself, i still don´t believe that MJ was killed by Murray with propofol.
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Anybody knows the EXACT calendar of those festivals? Not in the Jewish old calendar but in nowadays calendar.
Gina,
If you go on the sister website to this Michael's Army Of Love there is a thread concerning the calendars. There are several versions of the calendar. There's a modern Jewish calendar that has the festivals on it. It is thought, however, that this is not the original creator's/God's calendar according to how he gave instructions to calculate it. A few of us posted videos and information on the other site. It's complicated. I'm trying to calculate the calendar correctly. There are videos from Michael Rood about this but I'm not finished with them yet. He talks about how to create the calendar correctly. Also, there are speakers such as Mark Blitz and others who talk about how important the feasts are. Those are posted also. In so many words, the feasts and festivals are extremely important. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies during the spring feasts 2000 years ago. Now, events are expected to happen in order to fulfill the prophecies during the fall feasts. I don't want to say too much more because I put information on the other site because that was what was asked.
There's a calendar on 119Ministries.com but I'm not sure if this is correct.
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I was searching for a post in the old forum and just got this one to read. I find it very interesting, again:
From TS
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators • View topic - TIAI July 7 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19778)
"You can also send tweets to the Jacksons, especially La Toya and Jermaine {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson; http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5} (http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5}); they are the ones who are currently the most involved in trying to expose the conspiracy against MJ. But don’t send tweets asking them about the hoax, that will not help; instead, tell them that you realize what they are up against, and you are willing to do whatever it takes to help them—even at the risk of your own life (but don’t say it unless you really mean it). The more that they see this kind of support, the more they will be able to come out publicly with what they know. And this is exactly the kind of support that I have been giving for well over a year now, and also encouraging others to give."
TS_comments
Believer
"they are the ones who are currently the most involved in trying to expose the conspiracy against MJ"
the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few Sony and/or AEG executives. And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.
I guess that MJ cannot come back.
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@Dontwalkaway - I love your avatar. The pictures of Michael during those cool black shades days ALWAYS knock me offa my feet.
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Well it's possible. I never believed that FBI stuff he went on n on about.
Only problem, whoever runs that J5 Twitter DID legitimatly delete enough tweets in the summer of 2010 to put the tweet TS referenced BACK at the bottom of the first page, which is where it was for a long time when TS made a big deal out of it.
So they Twitter away, blah blah blah, couple months pass, no activity cuz they all get their own Twitter accounts and then BAM, with no warning or fanfare, enough Tweets were deleted to put the "media take notice" back in it's aforementioned location made famous by TS in the first place.
That's a little odd if TS isn't legit. UNLESS, of course, the Family was aware of this and supported the TIAI project at the time and wanted to help a brother out from afar.
TS also knew the trial would be delayed before anyone else knew, and posted careful rhetoric to that fact.
He also deciphered the Dangerous autograph and pointed out the prevalent numerology associated with the hoax.
So... yeah.
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my original post was - OHH COME ON!! UNBEFREAKINLIEVABLE!! HAS TS TAKEN THIS LONG BEFORE?? but then i stumbled across this post on the back/front thread:
In times of silence, try not to get discouraged. It only means there is something BIG in the works…..and the "feather" will DEFINITELY be heard when it flutters to the "stage"
so i'll take a long walk :moonwalk_: hoping to find more patience. but if someone is playing games with us :images: (lol, wanted to use this one with L.O.V.E.) NOT :thjajaja121: FUNNY. p.s. if this is going to go on much longer can we get more symbols to play with :bearhug:
:LolLolLolLol:
MissG, thanks for finding that old post about the dangers the Jacksons are in.
I agree with Bec, when she said that TS is 'slippery', always carefully choosing his words. The only thing I can do is to 'keep watchin', because I simply can't explain what he says, conclusively, in all this time. :icon_pale: :icon_albino: He's putting out some serious 'mystery' to keep us glued to our computer chairs. He and/or MJ knows EXACTLY what he's doing. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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But Jermaine and Latoya said that "hoaxers" say that MJ is alive because is our way to cop with Michael´s death.
Listening to them and reading TS´s post above, one can think that Michael passed and that we, with our curiosity to know what the heck happened and investigative skills, can help them out to get to the point that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers.
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Nope.
Watch.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AbHkTLCeLM&feature=related[/youtube]
MICHAEL JACKSON THE FIVE YEAR PLAN & Tupac - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AbHkTLCeLM&feature=related)
It is what you pick that makes your perception and reality.
The family offer both sides - hoaxer and non-hoaxer.
This makes it tricky. But it's not anything different from real life where you have a multiple choice every second.
Dependent on your choice how you want to see the world your life will unfold.
See, we believe in life and cheer and are having a party.
Others believe in death and are celebrating a funeral forever.
Who's better off?
The one who has questioned and worked himself into answers.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrMEt61-iLQ[/youtube]
MJ Soldiers Of Love -The Truth Has A Sound - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrMEt61-iLQ)