Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Cirque du Soleil - The Immortal Tour => Topic started by: gwynned on January 19, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
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Wow! /bravo/ /bravo/ That's all I have to say about the show! I wanted to share some observations and my story about ending up BACKSTAGE talking to some of the dancers.
Observations:
During Smooth Criminal headlines read 'He's not caught' or something close to that and 'It's not over.'
The famous picture of Michael behind the camera was big on the screen and strangely out of place.
The sequence was similar to This is It.....beginning with Gotta be Startin' Something but ended with Can you feel it! Gotta tell you, I COULD feel it.
I must add that I had FRONT ROW seats (yes, I bought them the minute they went on sale and sold my first born to pay for them!!!), which will explain how we ended up backstage after the show. But I digress.
One thing I noticed was that Michael's parts in all the songs were different, but only different to someone who might be looking for differences. But the weird thing is that the music (other than Michael's voice) was a live performance. There were back up singers (WAAAYYYYYY way out of sight, I might add. I could barely see them even in the front row!) and all the instrumentals were live. It's certainly possible, I'm sure, to sync up tracks with live vocals and maybe a musician can help us with that. But if that's the case, why would his voice vary so much in volume and (forgive me Mike if I'm wrong), but he might have missed a couple of notes. If they were using old tracks (and I must say the songs were seriously rearranged and strewn together in ways we've not heard), wouldn't they have perfected the voice variations?
Then there was the 'hologram.' That was very strange because it was projected against an undulating piece of fabric rather than a solid unmoving screen. And perhaps it was because I was too close to the image, but it seemed less like a hologram than a deliberately fuzzy projection. It was very brief and the image made a circle so I could only see the face for a moment, but it looked most like the new face of the Arno Bani photos. Again, these are very limited impressions and I'd love for someone else to comment.
To my story now. OMG! My daughter went out and bought a sequined jacket amd 6 inch sequined heels. She is, frankly, quite a beautiful young woman and was particularly radiant last evening. AND she has forever been an MJ fan, defending him from detractors even as a young girl. Bottom line is she caught the attention of one of the performers who invited us (I get the free ride as her mom!) backstage.
I knew better than to try and extract information (hard as it was) because my daughter would have kicked me in the knees if I had. But I will say this. These lovely young people were all extensions of Michael. They treated me with equal graciousness and respect as they did my daughter. They thanked us profusely for coming to see them and told them how much WE meant to them. I imagine meeting Michael would feel quite similar. There was no pretension, arrogance or indifference about them. When they left to get on the bus to the hotel, I received some of the most heartfelt hugs I have even felt in my life.
We left Oakland at 11:30 and began the 5 hour drive home, most of which I did. I arrived home and luxuriated in the comfort of my own bed and was finally able to process the whole weight of this event. It was then that I saw it, if indeed it is true. We all recall Michael pointing to Orianthe and saying It is YOUR time to shine.
If Michael were visible on stage, only he would shine. He can't help it anymore than the sun can help overshadowing lesser lights. By stepping back into the shadows, he was able to relinquish the stage to the new generation so that their lights could be seen and appreciated. It was also in that moment I felt the most divine sensations of bliss and happiness.
As an aside, my daughter said, "Mom, this feels like heaven. If this is what heaven feels like, I want to go there.' And this morning, she texted me that meeting these dancers has inspired her to dance again. And isn't that what Michael does best. Inspire us to keep dancing.
I am so grateful to Michael I can barely speak and yet I know he would respond with a thank you just like his amazing protoges.
bearhug
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wow thank you for sharing this amazing story with me..made me feel like i was there with u all lol..i hope to see it if it comes close to dallas area..hope more people on here that have seen it will also share there thoughts and there story too..thank you again..lucky u..
huggs n love n faith to you
suzz
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@gwynned: The imperfections of an artist's voice, is what makes them spectacular, and LIVE. Autotune is what has been destroying almost everything the music industry has applied it to. Michael's a perfectionist, and would never use that, unless it was for an effect.
I'm going to let you in on a little trade secret: Michael didn't sing all of the songs, that he danced to, during live performances. It's IMPOSSIBLE! Try dancing in the mirror, and sing at the same time, or have your daughter do so. Your lungs are having air forced out of them, kk? You need control OVER your diaphragm & lungs, to be able to sing without destroying your voice!
So when you see Michael on stage and dancing, it's all recorded, sorry. It isn't done to deceive the audience, it's to give a complete show, you know. You either have singing or dancing - can't have both! Watch Fred Astaire - same thing.
Watch Earthsong, especially when the bridge collapsed during Munich - because it was on a track, you never heard him
EXHALE from the force of that fall, now do you? He covered it brilliantly, though his back's messed up permanently (unless
ADR implant was performed).
Understand, these performances make the singer/dancer appear almost superhuman, when they aren't - just helps boost
them over the top. Madonna does it, everyone.
The O2 center has some of the best lip-synching equipment - it's important for everyone who goes through there. Otherwise,
you have to supply your own system!
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Tink, I'm not sure what you are saying.
Are you suggesting that the tone variations were deliberately inserted to give the feeling of a live performance?
While I understand that it's impossible to sing and dance at the same time and get satisfactory results, in this case, Michael would only be singing. I obviously have no proof and I am merely suggesting the possibility should anyone be attending later concerts. But it wasn't only that. Like I said, I was VERY close to the stage....maybe 6 feet. But the SINGERS were like ants to me they were so far back stage. Again, there is a reasonable explanation....lots going on and they would want to be away from the action. But THAT far away?
Then there's the matter of the hologram which reminded me of a previous music award event where we weren't really sure if it was Michael or Janet, as I recall.
Another thing I learned was that the music was under the control of Michael's people....musicians he had worked with, rather than musicians from Cirque.
OHhhh....one more thing. There was an odd segment in the middle called Heartbreak Hotel.
Again, I'm merely speculating and realize there are other logical explanations for what I have suggested. I'm just hoping someone else going will listen carefully and report back their observations.
Finally (I really mean it this time). I overheard a conversation backstage about a private performance for Google today at the Oracle Arena. At a cost of a mere 2 million dollars. OMG! Google has lots of money, I'm sure. But I find it extraordinary that they would choose to spend so much on THIS particular event.
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@gwynned: The imperfections of an artist's voice, is what makes them spectacular, and LIVE. Autotune is what has been destroying almost everything the music industry has applied it to. Michael's a perfectionist, and would never use that, unless it was for an effect.
I'm going to let you in on a little trade secret: Michael didn't sing all of the songs, that he danced to, during live performances. It's IMPOSSIBLE! Try dancing in the mirror, and sing at the same time, or have your daughter do so. Your lungs are having air forced out of them, kk? You need control OVER your diaphragm & lungs, to be able to sing without destroying your voice!
So when you see Michael on stage and dancing, it's all recorded, sorry. It isn't done to deceive the audience, it's to give a complete show, you know. You either have singing or dancing - can't have both! Watch Fred Astaire - same thing.
Watch Earthsong, especially when the bridge collapsed during Munich - because it was on a track, you never heard him
EXHALE from the force of that fall, now do you? He covered it brilliantly, though his back's messed up permanently (unless
ADR implant was performed).
Understand, these performances make the singer/dancer appear almost superhuman, when they aren't - just helps boost
them over the top. Madonna does it, everyone.
The O2 center has some of the best lip-synching equipment - it's important for everyone who goes through there. Otherwise,
you have to supply your own system!
hey tink!!..well don't get me started on this auto tune shit!..i want to say Cher started it with her song do you believe in love?! something like that..either way i hate it end of story with auto tune lol..i understand what ur saying about singing and dancing full out all the time but he also has train all his life for such and would think he would have amazing control over his diaphragm and lungs.. i agree i don't think all of his songs were live due to many things that can be caught on video or ears n eyes..but could have sworn i seen an article about someone n his band said he did sing live ..anyways..on the one video of earth song with the bridge i could hear a muffle sound from his mic but don't recall a break n his singing lol..what always got me was when he would sing yana and bring a gurl up on stage if a mic is on you would be able to hear the gurls screams n words and i haven't seen or heard many on that live concert videos..i know what ur saying about backing tracks and its all for the great show..yes the o2 has state of the art sound n lights from what ive read..some that claim to be artist these days i would hate to hear live lol..even what lil i have heard lol..they cant do it old skool like the good ones ..
huggs n love n faith to you
suzz
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Tink! Thanks for sharing your experience (many of us would be there). I think the goal of the show has come, "you could feel it" and that stays with you forever. Michael's magic is revealed, congratulations. bearhug
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Thank you for sharing your experience with us. How amazing and incredible that you and your daughter were able to share a memory like that? Awesome!
I went to the show in Phoenix with some of my family who are huge MJ fans and even though we all loved the show my 4 year old grandson was a little put out because they changed the Beat It song/dance, not by much if I remember, but enough that my grandson didn't appreciate that they changed it. His exact words were "they didn't do it like Michael Jackson". LOL - in their eyes (and mine) there is nobody that can top Michael.
Anyway - it's hard to remember because so much happened and time has lapsed. I wrote about this in another thread too. I don't remember the Heartbreak Hotel. I do remember that the Michael they chose to play throughout was heavy set and somewhat of a distraction for me because I kept wondering if there was meaning behind it. I also noticed the band and found it interesting - like mixing live with recording so that it wasn't just a "canned' experience. There was at least one song that the vocals sounded live to me.
I had someone tell me not to buy floor seats because you'd want to sit up a little ways in order to see everything. By the sounds of it she was right. We were able to see everything really clearly yet there was a lot going on at one time. I feel like I could go 2 or 3 more times and catch something different each time. However, if you weren't where you were you wouldn't have had the experience of a lifetime in being invited backstage. :)
I also felt some of the video was out of place. As most know now they had clips of Michael getting off of the bus at the 02 arena. There were those headlines like you mention and I remember one of them saying "this isn't over yet" and something like "there is more to this story" - if I remember correctly.
I'd recommend for anyone that could go to do so. It's a great experience. The only thing better would have been to have Michael physically in front of us.
Blessings.
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Tink, I'm not sure what you are saying.
Are you suggesting that the tone variations were deliberately inserted to give the feeling of a live performance?
While I understand that it's impossible to sing and dance at the same time and get satisfactory results, in this case, Michael would only be singing. I obviously have no proof and I am merely suggesting the possibility should anyone be attending later concerts. But it wasn't only that. Like I said, I was VERY close to the stage....maybe 6 feet. But the SINGERS were like ants to me they were so far back stage. Again, there is a reasonable explanation....lots going on and they would want to be away from the action. But THAT far away?
Then there's the matter of the hologram which reminded me of a previous music award event where we weren't really sure if it was Michael or Janet, as I recall.
Another thing I learned was that the music was under the control of Michael's people....musicians he had worked with, rather than musicians from Cirque.
OHhhh....one more thing. There was an odd segment in the middle called Heartbreak Hotel.
Again, I'm merely speculating and realize there are other logical explanations for what I have suggested. I'm just hoping someone else going will listen carefully and report back their observations.
Finally (I really mean it this time). I overheard a conversation backstage about a private performance for Google today at the Oracle Arena. At a cost of a mere 2 million dollars. OMG! Google has lots of money, I'm sure. But I find it extraordinary that they would choose to spend so much on THIS particular event.
Michael isn't traveling with them. My friend spotted him, N. of San Diego in November, doing something else. He's staying at an undisclosed location - he's working on something new.
And, yes - I'd say she's one of Michael's people, too. They're in S. Cali right now, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't think I can find anyone to go with me.
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gwynned thanks for sharing! I hope to go to the show one of these days.
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"There were back up singers (WAAAYYYYYY way out of sight, I might add. I could barely see them even in the front row!) and all the instrumentals were live. It's certainly possible, I'm sure, to sync up tracks with live vocals and maybe a musician can help us with that. But if that's the case, why would his voice vary so much in volume and (forgive me Mike if I'm wrong), but he might have missed a couple of notes. If they were using old tracks (and I must say the songs were seriously rearranged and strewn together in ways we've not heard), wouldn't they have perfected the voice variations?"
yes this can be done,, its been done for Elvis : ),, the show is called Elvis Lives! The 25th Anniversary Concert. Elvis's concert films are shown on a big screen and while he sings,,,all the original band members, back up singers etc, play the music live, they are all much older now : ). but its a great show!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-jACfzjPkk[/youtube]
Elvis Presley was larger than life, and the Elvis experience is an amazing phenomenon that has continued to astonish people a quarter-century after his death in 1977. In commemoration of the 25th anniversary of his death, Elvis: The 25th Anniversary Concert Event was staged at the Pyramid Coliseum in his hometown of Memphis, Tennessee.
Through the magic of modern technology, Elvis is reunited with his original TCB band, back-up singers and musical director for a unique concert special. The program features footage of Elvis from previous concerts, along with his supporting musicians and singers live on stage together in Memphis. This one-of-a-kind concert event has stirred audiences around the world and ignited a passion for the King in a whole new generation of music lovers.
/bravo/
glad you got to go! sounds like it was wonderful!
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Tink, you said it some time ago too, about your friend. But I can say that you said you don't believe that photo of Michael with big eyes/amazed face which was redirected to the old board is Michael himself, but a clone-photoshopped photo of him. I also work in photoshop and I am very certain that is Michael himself just pulling faces. Considering perception can differ from person to person (you say it's not him tottaly, I say it is him), then your friend could have seen any good look-alike and really believe it was Michael. Why didn't she take a photo? If you are friends you didn't ask her more?
I say because I even have relatives who saw E'casanova hown on TV and said "ooh, for someone who doesn't look at Michael very much can almost swear it's Michael himself.". While I see no resemblance.
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Michael isn't traveling with them. My friend spotted him, N. of San Diego in November, doing something else. He's staying at an undisclosed location - he's working on something new.
And, yes - I'd say she's one of Michael's people, too. They're in S. Cali right now, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't think I can find anyone to go with me.
Thanks for straightening things out for us! :) Now I'm even more certain he was there last night.
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Tink, you said it some time ago too, about your friend. But I can say that you said you don't believe that photo of Michael with big eyes/amazed face which was redirected to the old board is Michael himself, but a clone-photoshopped photo of him. I also work in photoshop and I am very certain that is Michael himself just pulling faces. Considering perception can differ from person to person (you say it's not him tottaly, I say it is him), then your friend could have seen any good look-alike and really believe it was Michael. Why didn't she take a photo? If you are friends you didn't ask her more?
I say because I even have relatives who saw E'casanova hown on TV and said "ooh, for someone who doesn't look at Michael very much can almost swear it's Michael himself.". While I see no resemblance.
@Anna - Let's go over a few things: First and foremost, my private conversations are exactly that: PRIVATE. Respect that.
#1- I've used Photoshop for well over a decade - I think I know most of the tricks. I know Michael's face, so if you cloned a second layer over the first, lassoed it down the midline, pulled it apart, yeah - you'd easily widen the nose too far. It's obviously done as a joke, not meant to be taken seriously. The hair on the face was also cloned, moved around.
#2 - WOULD YOU take a photo of Michael in disguise, send it to the world - or, would you delete it if he requested it? Or chase him back into needing bodyguards everywhere he goes, and being on the run from the Paparazzi PRISON again!?
What kind of friend would anyone be, to out him for money!? I personally, wouldn't so that - not for millions of dollars... Because I do care about him. Only a traitor would take a photo of him, and sell it to the tabloids!
Just rest assure that he's alive, free of constant scrutiny. He can finally BREATHE, now that he isn't surrounded by a bunch of fakes, flakes, con-men, and leeches!
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Thank you for sharing your exprience with us, Ive been saying this for a while but I use to work near Cirq in downtown disney in Florida (La Nouba) and I was friends with the director of that cirq show(Richard) I remember having a conversation with him around nov 08 about the Elivs show they were working on, he said that he few to Vegas to meet with Lisa Marie and her mother to go over things with them about Elvis, I said well that sounds exciting, what about doing a show for Michael Jackson?? He said he have been in talks with him and we are working on doing something with him. So I noticed a ton of things from this is it are being used for the Immortal tour such as the girl that was to be in dirty diana, Travis Michaels main man for the dancers, the Asian man whom worked on all of the outfits that Mike was going to wear on this is it, from what Ive seen on clips of the show on Youtube they have the dancers using them, ie billie Jean song with the outfits that light up, Michael singing by the way does sound live from what I've heard on the Immortal album. Also the style that the songs have been redone reminds me of Mikes style of performing live such as when he sings and then mid sentence stop stay still then continue, the music is so much like him, I feel like he produced this. It has his signature on it to me. Oh and one last thing about the singers not being seen the La Noba show is the same, I think that may be a cirq thing.
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@Tink
If I knew or had a friend who really saw Michael in flesh and bones, alive and well
1. I wouldn't even have an account here or anywhere else for that matter, because I wouldn't need to;
2. just saying it and expecting people to not ask for proof and just believe, is pointless.
If one can't or knows they can't show proof, why say it? It's like when people come and say "I know something but I can't tell you how I know it, and I can't show you proof. But I know something you don't". Is this respecting a privacy and caring about someone? This has been done here and anywhere on the web for over +2,5 years and usually done to get hype and fuss.
No offence.
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:oops: sorry my thanks go to Gwynedd! my brain is almost gone last night
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Thank you Gwynned for your amazing story and sharing your feelings! It was amazing to read that bearhug
Could anyone tell me if Cirque Immortal tour will come to Europe also? Thank you for your answers! :)
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@Tink
If I knew or had a friend who really saw Michael in flesh and bones, alive and well
1. I wouldn't even have an account here or anywhere else for that matter, because I wouldn't need to;
2. just saying it and expecting people to not ask for proof and just believe, is pointless.
If one can't or knows they can't show proof, why say it? It's like when people come and say "I know something but I can't tell you how I know it, and I can't show you proof. But I know something you don't". Is this respecting a privacy and caring about someone? This has been done here and anywhere on the web for over +2,5 years and usually done to get hype and fuss.
No offence.
@Anna - You are offensive, girl, and I call you on it.
I said, "Believe it, or not," after I mentioned Michael's sighting in November. Obviously, that just isn't good enough for you - that's your burden, not mine!
Michael's alive, and I'm lovin' it! party/
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Thank you Gwynned for your amazing story and sharing your feelings! It was amazing to read that bearhug
Could anyone tell me if Cirque Immortal tour will come to Europe also? Thank you for your answers! :)
You're so welcome! I really hope we can all continue to attend these shows and provide their impressions and help identify potential clues.
About the singers, not only were they so far away they would have been barely visible to all but a few of us, they were not even acknowledged at the end when everyone took their bows.
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Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I have tickets to see the show next month.
Excited! penguin/
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Gynned,
Thanks so much for sharing your observations of the show in Oakland. :) I saw it in Sacramento and there is SO MUCH in it that I just HAVE to go again so I can SEE/ (now HEAR) more!!!! Trying to make arrangements to catch it next week in So. Cal. Currently looking like a possibility!
Can I ask a question re something I posted on? Do you remember toward the end when They Dont Care About Us was on, was the big central prop they used a tree or a nuclear reactor cooling tower (or has it morphed into another symbol?) Just curious about the evolution of this prop/symbol.
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Gynned,
Thanks so much for sharing your observations of the show in Oakland. :) I saw it in Sacramento and there is SO MUCH in it that I just HAVE to go again so I can SEE/ (now HEAR) more!!!! Trying to make arrangements to catch it next week in So. Cal. Currently looking like a possibility!
Can I ask a question re something I posted on? Do you remember toward the end when They Dont Care About Us was on, was the big central prop they used a tree or a nuclear reactor cooling tower (or has it morphed into another symbol?) Just curious about the evolution of this prop/symbol.
I'm glad you asked that question. In the center was a silver colored cylinder with bars across on which the dancers could hold on as they walked to the top. IT LOOKED NOTHING LIKE A TREE AT ALL!
I asked the dancers backstage what happened to the tree of life and what was that thing? The one most fluent in English told me that that silver thing was the trunk. Huh? But it doesn't look anything LIKE a tree, I said. It looks more like a nuclear reactor! To which he just shrugged and didn't really respond except to say something about the tree being too large to transport so they just kept the trunk and with branches on this thing it looks like a tree. I left it at that, but that didn't really answer the question.
No one's commented on the private party for Google, so I'm going to throw out a theory as to why they spent 2 million dollars for 2 hours of 'entertainment.' I don't know if Michael was there or not, but something interesting happened back stage. As we were chatting with the dancers, a woman walked up and said something like 'You guys really managed to keep the spirit of Michael alive,' providing a YES in response to the question posed by the last song of the evening. CAN YOU FEEL IT!
Just as the concert ended, and before we were invited backstage, my daughter looked at me (she's 21, so not a child!) and said 'Mom, I feel like I'm in heaven. If this is heaven, I want to go there!' (At that moment, all the money and angst I went through getting there became more than worth it!!!) How many others in the audience 'felt it?' Is that the point of the concert? Whether Michael was there or not it was clear to me that he is the driving force and his dancers have embodied his spirit.
Did Google spend 2 million so that they could instill some of that spirit in their employees and friends while, perhaps as others suggest, contributing to the water project? With Michael seemingly out of the equation, was he able finally to convey his message, free of all the 'idol worship' ?
As an aside, there was absolutely NO mention of Michael's death. No sad songs or dedications or remembrances. Only celebrations. If he were really dead, I would find it very odd if not downright insulting.
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Tink, I'm not sure what you are saying.
Are you suggesting that the tone variations were deliberately inserted to give the feeling of a live performance?
While I understand that it's impossible to sing and dance at the same time and get satisfactory results, in this case, Michael would only be singing. I obviously have no proof and I am merely suggesting the possibility should anyone be attending later concerts. But it wasn't only that. Like I said, I was VERY close to the stage....maybe 6 feet. But the SINGERS were like ants to me they were so far back stage. Again, there is a reasonable explanation....lots going on and they would want to be away from the action. But THAT far away?
Then there's the matter of the hologram which reminded me of a previous music award event where we weren't really sure if it was Michael or Janet, as I recall.
Another thing I learned was that the music was under the control of Michael's people....musicians he had worked with, rather than musicians from Cirque.
OHhhh....one more thing. There was an odd segment in the middle called Heartbreak Hotel.
Again, I'm merely speculating and realize there are other logical explanations for what I have suggested. I'm just hoping someone else going will listen carefully and report back their observations.
Finally (I really mean it this time). I overheard a conversation backstage about a private performance for Google today at the Oracle Arena. At a cost of a mere 2 million dollars. OMG! Google has lots of money, I'm sure. But I find it extraordinary that they would choose to spend so much on THIS particular event.
Michael isn't traveling with them. My friend spotted him, N. of San Diego in November, doing something else. He's staying at an undisclosed location - he's working on something new.
And, yes - I'd say she's one of Michael's people, too. They're in S. Cali right now, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't think I can find anyone to go with me.
What you mean "go with you" Tink? To where San Diego to MICHAEL? I'll go with you, I'll drive. Tell me where and when?
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That sounds cool. Can’t wait to see the pictures when you return.
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@ScorpionChik - I meant I have no one to attend the Immortal show with me: SD, 1/21/12 - 1/23/12, & Anaheim 1/24.
I'm not a stalker, for heaven's sake! :-[ For the love of God, I won't dare harm him - have I made this clear? You all obviously don't know how loyal I am to him. I'll walk off the board, if pressed. I only posted, for those losing heart. I stayed, because I enjoyed it here.
He's my Lucky Star...
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Saw the show tonight and thought it was more of a tribute to what Michael believes in than in lifting up Michael himself, which I thought was really cool and something Michael would do! I loved the giant Michael shoes! The hologram was fuzzy, but I think for a reason...him telling us he is still here, but in the backround now. It was a very entertaining show from start to finish and in the end people stood up and clapped along with some songs. I felt the mood of the audience was a bit laid back, but that could just be due to the area I'm from. People livened up towards the end. Everyone worked hard...from the live band to all the performers. Cirque let you know it was their show and every performer seemed to put their whole heart into what they were doing. I have to say, I expected more aerials, but what they delivered was great. Bravo! :th_bravo:
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Atleast, I saw the show yesterday. It was awesome! Totally rollercoaster of emotions, the whole scale. And it had so obviously Michael's handmark allover. It was the best show I've seen in my entire life.
But to the hoax point of wiev: in smooth criminal headlines I picked up one haedline wich flashed quite quickly. It was something like "I will be back, BUM".
Another thing that I found very intresting was that in Will you be there was again that version where Michael was singing PainS. And after the song word BELIEVE appeared to the screens and Michaels signature <3 The Liberian girl picture (Michael behind television camera) was a little question mark for me if I woulnd't have wathced the show with the hoax on my mind. I also noticed that the singers were far to see and the hologram didn't show michaels face clearly (it felt purposefull).
Hey, the elephants were also participating the show! I felt This Is It, and this is not it yet. I also question that there were used a lot this is it videomaterial -would it be ok (in leagual ways and so on) if Michael wasn't in this porject?
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Atleast, I saw the show yesterday. It was awesome! Totally rollercoaster of emotions, the whole scale. And it had so obviously Michael's handmark allover. It was the best show I've seen in my entire life.
But to the hoax point of wiev: in smooth criminal headlines I picked up one haedline wich flashed quite quickly. It was something like "I will be back, BUM".
Another thing that I found very intresting was that in Will you be there was again that version where Michael was singing PainS. And after the son word BELIEVE appeared to the screens and Michaels signature <3 The Liberian girl picture (Michael behind television camera) was a little question mark for me if I woulnd't have wathced the show with the hoax on my mind. I also noticed that the singers were far to see and the hologram didn't show michaels face clearly (it felt purposefull).
Hey, the elephants were also participating the show! I felt This Is It, and this is not it yet. I also question that there were used a lot this is it videomaterial -would it be ok (in leagual ways and so on) if Michael wasn't in this porject?
Nice to have someone reaffirm my observations! Yes, that hologram was strange. Funny how Tupac's "hologram" showed him dancing, singing, etc in such detail and the Cirque 'hologram' was so 2000 and late from a technical standpoint. Why is no one outside the hoax pointing this out? Cirque clearly goes for the best, yet they would settle for such a ghostly imitation?
Is there a meaning behind the ghostly appearance? Clearly it's intentional.
And why ARE those singers so far away. They needn't be that far away to stay out of harm's way.
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Gwynned, I just want to tell you how much I enjoyed your description of the show and your daughter's reactions etc. Heaven, huh? :icon_lol: That's how I've felt countless times here on the site, so I can only imagine. :woohoo2: I am very embarrassed and disappointed to say that when CDS came to my city near the beginning of the tour last year I think, I didn't go--because I had no one interested to go with me, and mostly because I felt since it wasn't MJ himself, that I would just be disappointed. Now after all the testimonies I am soooooooo sorry. But all my own fault. Anyway, I had tears reading what you wrote. Just a question: I've read somewhere that the tree on stage was actually more something evil/symbolic, a symbol of the goat-headed Baphomet, a ram/goat, god Pan, etc. http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.ca/p/lie-la-lie-part-iv-second-coming.html http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/pentagram.htm
Did you get any sense of a lot of Illuminati symbolism there, since I don't believe MJ would have anything to do with that except exposing evil, and sometimes I think that some people look for evil so intently that they interpret even good things in an evil way. What are your thoughts?
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Hi guy`s, i go in two weeks to the Show here in Germany and i`m so excited.Can`t wait.
Will tell you what i saw, hear or something else.
Thank you for all youre experience.
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hi guys!
i just came home from the show and it was really emotional, at least for me.. Michael really was there, his spirit was all over the place. Yes, i DID feel it.. wow. It is like kenny said in TII; "the dancers in a Michael Jackson show ARE an extension of Michael Jackson, they are an extension of the man himself.." well in this case the whole crew was.. This show was definitely something he would create.. the message, the love, the way the injustice was brought forward and dealt with, the healing, the magic, the unity, the wonder, the child-like amazement... The Army of Love, marching with the glowing hearts.. whoa.. some parts were just super powerful.. And all the things you guys have already pointed out, stood out for me too..
The random shot of Liberian girl with Mike behind the camera was something that made me go mmmmm. and the Smooth Criminal headlines 'This ain't over yet' etc.. When Will You Be There came I saw many people crying and standing up and since i went to a show that was on in the afternoon it was so heartwarming and brilliant to see so many children there.. a new generation of MJ-fans, holding hands with their mothers and feeling the vibes and I tried figuring out just who's comforting who when tears were running down their faces.. It was incredible, a place full of Michael-LOVE, it would have been a very healing experience with or without the show, to feel such strong support for him, loving people gathered together in his name for his love and legacy. It must have been so exciting for the kids with the Thriller parts and all.. :icon_e_smile: Both grown-ups and kids alike were getting very emotional during Will you be there and I did cry myself.. more than anything i guess just out of the enormous amount of LOVE that was being radiated around the arena.. but even as a believer i do get emotional with MJ. just the thought of him having to go through all that bs he did, with the world crucifying him. sometimes i wish i could take some of that load off of his shoulders and his heart. Carry the pain in mine instead. but i'm sure all of us would and he feels that, so in a sense, i guess, we are making it a little bit better. It just gets to me every time i think about it.. and here in this context the song Childhood sounded different than ever before, feels like this is all a part of the wrongs--->right -process.. but yeah, It was almost like you could feel him there, it wasn't an MJ show, but it was definitely the next best thing and I can't shake the feeling of him having everything to do with this.. The vocals on some, if not all, the songs did indeed sound 'live' or if not 'live' well.. different. I know my Michael songs and even with the vocals stripped out of all instruments and whatnots some of these were NOT the vocals we know.. It could be that they have been granted permission to use Mike's collection of different demo versions of the songs or whatever... but it did sound fresh and mature and it was real. I've seen Mike live a couple of times, just outside his hotel and at an MJ day event in London a loooong time ago, but the feeling was the same. You can't quite explain it but it goes under your skin, you feel it in your core, in the cores of your cells, the tingling emotion of being in the presence and in awe of something Great.. and that feeling was here tonight. :moonwalk_: indeed the word 'believe' was written on the screens.. the painS version as well.. and what got my attention was when Will you be there was on and I was crying myself I was hoping please, please don't end like this, I don't want to leave here crying.. and how was Will You Be There answered? By I'll be There that was on next. :bowdown: It got me laughing.. Will you be there? Yes I will be there. :icon_exclaim: the human nature part with the flowing and glowing bodies and the shooting stars.. wow, beautiful..
and many things from TII definitely.. The glow-in-the-dark suits and all the techniques used in the costumes, the Dirty Diana girl (she was amazing).. During the break some of the dancers came out to dance among the audience and get people shouting 'michael, michael' and they took some youngsters from the crowd and started doing the choreograph to Thriller and it was so funny when these girls (and a boy) already knew it perfectly and danced with them and hugged them with everybody cheering and showing love.. Wow. I'm all showered with emotion. Hope everyone is doing great tonight. and thank you dear michael for the show. for the music. Love to all. :bearhug:
edit: There was something during Scream that got my attention as well.. The part where Janet sings oh my god can't believe what i saw as i turned on the tv this evening, i was disgusted by all the injustice.. and Michael says 'ALL THE INJUSTICE' here he said something else as well. and it was loud and clear, nothing special but i just knew right away that it's not on the song.. It might have been like OH MY GOD or something-something-God, i think. It was sooo good to hear his voice loud and clear in the spoken section of the show... but yeah, something about Scream, listen you guys when you go see the show.
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WOW...thank you Santiago for youre experience from the Show.
I read that and i was crying. So glad that you feel the spirit of MJ
being there, i hope for myself that i can feel the same as you.
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love you all
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@santiago wow,... just wow! Thanks!
You know when you wrote:
".. a new generation of MJ-fans, holding hands with their mothers and feeling the vibes and I tried figuring out just who's comforting who when tears were running down their faces.. "
I just could see how that must be looked like. Just Amazing!
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Thanks Santiago, you write very well!
One thing I noticed was before the show, the tree was interresting but I thought it was a tree from neverland where Michael used to compose (allthough it didn't felt like a right answer). In the sides of the arena were two very simple sybolisms which i didn't regognize and under them were word infinity. In the beginning of the show there were pointed some lights to the stage, they seem something like bam's day symbol but can't tell for sure. It will be so intresting when this comes to dvd, but ofcourse they can cut it however they like.
The live band was awesome, and it was nice to see that the drummer was same that Michael have used before (maybe other musicians also?). I just wonder, why did tey have that live band -it wouldn't be necessary if the music comes playback or you know what i mean. I was also so happy when after Will you be there came I'll be there :D
One thing that amazed me was the horrible moonwalk the great dancers did. I'm sure they could do so much better, my first moonwalk was even better. Why did they do it so bad? Did it have some message or meaning?
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Beautiful post about your amazing experience, Santiago! Thanks! During the show I felt Michael's spirit and L.O.V.E. vibe too. You described the clues/signs very well. I can recall some clues but some I can't, probably because everyone interprets the show differently, which is interesting. I love to read the reviews. I'm sure that the more you see a show the more clues will be caught. Anyway, the heart touching MJ vibe is obvious.
LOVE :bearhug: