Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Back's old posts => Topic started by: bec on January 09, 2012, 01:15:05 AM
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Remember remember the fifth of November.
back talks about how nothing is coincidence on Nov 5th, and V said "There is no such thing as coincidence, only the illusion of coincidence."
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This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.
It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...
Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.
Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...
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Plus wasn't that the day Evan Chandler died?
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^ I think it was.
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Evan Chandler commited suicide on 11/5/09, yes. The story was reported in the news on 11/17/09, day of Emerald City redirect by TS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG.
R15. Emerald City
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG}
This was another photo, found on the Wikipedia page for “Emerald City”, from the Wizard of Oz. The picture includes not only Emerald City in the background, but also the Yellow Brick Road in the foreground. Of course the bricks here represent the same basic thing as the last redirect (wall with bricks): individual clues that need to be put together and followed, in order to arrive at the destination (Emerald City).
Although far too long to include here, there is a very good description of the hidden meanings in the Wizard of Oz. And this interpretation fits very well with the bigger message that TIAI was trying to get across {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/this-is-also-it-t3233-350.htm}.
This redirect was intentionally done on November 17 (10 + 7 = 17), because that day was a special one night showing of the 70th (10 x 7 = 70) anniversary of the Wizard of Oz. {http://www.ncm.com/Fathom/Premiere/WizardofOz_Encore.aspx}
And at this point, I need to bring up a subject that is very sad; but it still needs to be mentioned—both to help validate TIAI, and to help vindicate MJ. The redirect for November 5 was “V for Vendetta” (remember, remember, the 5th of November); and the redirect for November 17 was “Emerald City”.
What happened on November 5 of significance? Three things, all related to MJ: the largest hoax forum (MJHD.com) was going down (again), the TIAI “V” redirect, and Evan Chandler committed suicide. Just in case anyone doesn’t know, he was the one who initiated the molestation charges against MJ; and he was the father of Jordan Chandler, who was supposedly molested. {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}
Then on November 17, TIAI redirected to the picture from Emerald City on Wikipedia; and on this same day the news came out that Evan Chandler had committed suicide. Did TIAI choose this “Emerald City” redirect after the news came out, to show the November 5 Vendetta fulfillment? No, because the redirection was done late in the preceding day—between about 10:00pm and midnight (California time)—on November 16. Furthermore, the November 17 special showing had already been planned long before; prior to November 16, and even prior to November 5!
Then was this yet another grand coincidence? No. Actually, whether you believe it or not, it was the hand of God! This was part of God’s plan to help vindicate MJ’s character; this was part of God’s plan to use Michael in his battle against the evil conspiracies in this world, etc. But the mainstream media never reported anything about this suicide—why not? When the media jumps on just about anything related to MJ, why the “dead” silence on this? It is simple: because the media does not want to see MJ vindicated.
Some have said that Evan Chandler committed suicide—not because of guilt over the MJ situation, but because of health problems. However, a guilty conscience was very likely a major source of his poor health (see Proverbs 17:22).
Finally, there is a similar situation in the Bible, the case of Judas. He also committed suicide, because of a guilty conscience (see Matthew 27:3-5). And although this was a terrible thing—yet it was prophesied in advance (see Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:12,13; John 13:18-21); and when it came true, the fulfillment of the prophecy was also put on record (see Matthew 27:6-10; Luke 22:48; etc). Let both of these cases (Evan Chandler and Judas) be a warning to each one of us: if we have done wrong, we should confess and make things right.
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Nothing is by chance or coincidence. Appear in my life at the right moment. Thank you for continuing to there MJ
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THANK YOU Bec for all of these. I couldn't read all of back's posts previously and now I can read them /woohoo/
And thank you Souza for the hard work you do. You two rock!
I don't understand many of back's posts, but I hope hindsight will be granted and will be 20/20. /white flag/
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Bec you do good job indeed, but I am not convinced that TS is MJ. TS's posts more of the analysis by nature and giving members ways for consideration.
I highly doubt TS is Michael or even one of his sibblings. To me TS is much of a believer with good analythical thinking skills rather than even knower. I
can be wrong, that's my impression.
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This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.
It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...
Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.
Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...
I really like having these broke out too - so thank you for doing this. It will make it much easier to read and discuss.
Anyway, I'm trying to find where TS posted about V for Vendetta but I am having trouble locating it. Can you post a link?
Blessings
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Lil wendy has been tracking the re-directs ever so awesomely for us.
http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/
It shows the re-direct for Nov 5/09 as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_%28film%29
Interestingly enough, the day before was about 2012 (movie) http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/
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Hi Voice...this was TS' 'explanation' for the V redirect, it was in TIAI Revealed, Part 3:
R4. V for Vendetta (Wikipedia Article)
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)}
This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”. What exactly happened of significance on this day? Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}. This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).
Aside from the significance of the November 5 date, this redirect was chosen because it is another movie about corruption in the government. And redirect number 38 was a quote from this film: “People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”
The clues in this redirect were not very obscure; and MJalive999 did an excellent job of showing the “V for Vendetta” parallels with MJ, in his YouTube video {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFpn45po5A}. You can also see some good artwork on this (and other TIAI redirects) at the myspace page for ThisIsAlsoMJ {http://www.myspace.com/thisisalsomj}.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1926.msg27563#msg27563 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1926.msg27563#msg27563)
Hope that helps ::P
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Thank you for this - it does help a little. I guess what I'm trying to determine is who posted first, BACK or TS and how far apart in time were their posts.
Also - the date said November 5th but wasn't there a comment earlier in the old BACK thread that suggested the date is off due to the person who saved the screenshot? Did I remember that correctly or was it proven that these dates are true?
LilWendy has been a great source of information - very true. Many thanks to her too :)
Blessings!
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This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.
It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...
Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.
Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...
bec
Evan Chandler commited suicide on 11/5/09, yes. The story was reported in the news on 11/17/09, day of Emerald City redirect by TS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG).
TS R.15
Some have said that Evan Chandler committed suicide—not because of guilt over the MJ situation, but because of health problems. However, a guilty conscience was very likely a major source of his poor health (see Proverbs 17:22).
Finally, there is a similar situation in the Bible, the case of Judas. He also committed suicide, because of a guilty conscience (see Matthew 27:3-5). And although this was a terrible thing—yet it was prophesied in advance (see Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:12,13; John 13:18-21); and when it came true, the fulfillment of the prophecy was also put on record (see Matthew 27:6-10; Luke 22:48; etc). Let both of these cases (Evan Chandler and Judas) be a warning to each one of us: if we have done wrong, we should confess and make things right.
TS R.4
This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”. What exactly happened of significance on this day? Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson} (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson%7D). This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).
So Back and TS were both posting that day, with Back hinting that there is no coincidences and TS (Back?) making connections between: Emerald City, V for Vendetta, MJDH going down, and Evan Chandler's suicide. I remember being terribly upset that the site went down, and then when TS posted about E merald C ity and Evan Chandler's suicide, I was freaked out! It seemed like he knew beforehand or was involved as a vendetta.
Also it is interesting how TS continually uses Scripture for pointing out things relating to MJ, and not using them to point to Jesus.
In R.17 he quotes:
“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.” (John 14:29, NKJV)....
just before John 14:29; verse 28 says: “You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’”.
But most interesting is the comparison of Evan C. to Judas above. Again TS is indirectly comparing Michael to Jesus, just as Back does boldly in his 7-day theory post.
Judas betrayed Jesus and led the Roman soldiers to Jesus; Evan betrayed Michael by allowing his son close access to MJ, and then led the LAPD and Sneddon to him, and to ultimately an unfair trial full of false accusations, and brutal destruction of his character and reputation. When Judas felt remorse he threw the 30 pieces of silver in the temple, and hung himself. The religious leaders used the money to purchase a field to bury strangers in, called the Field of Blood (reminds me of Blood on the dance floor). I wonder if EC ended up donating the $20 million or part of it that he got from MJ, to some charity?
On a lighter note I hope no one is offended, but I couldn't resist putting this video of Arnold Schwarzenegger shooting Judas in Jesus of Nazareth--The Greatest Action Story Ever Told.
I like what Arnold says right at the end, "Don't worry, he'll (Jesus) be back."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrufPxjwX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrufPxjwX0)
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TS R.4
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This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”. What exactly happened of significance on this day? Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}. This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).
MJonmind - I agree, a lot of people were upset when the forum went down. It makes me wonder if our TS is someone from the media/tabloid world. Someone who might have information regarding Chandler before anyone else? But then, they'd have no control over the date (November 5th). I admit that I am thoroughly confused. What is the significance of MJHD going down? Is TS responsible for that? What's the purpose of this? And if so then he/she is collaborating with the admin, right? Or TS is possibly one of the admin...
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MJonmind - I agree, a lot of people were upset when the forum went down. It makes me wonder if our TS is someone from the media/tabloid world. Someone who might have information regarding Chandler before anyone else? But then, they'd have no control over the date (November 5th). I admit that I am thoroughly confused. What is the significance of MJHD going down? Is TS responsible for that? What's the purpose of this? And if so then he/she is collaborating with the admin, right? Or TS is possibly one of the admin...
;)
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TS R.4
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This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”. What exactly happened of significance on this day? Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}. This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).
MJonmind - I agree, a lot of people were upset when the forum went down. It makes me wonder if our TS is someone from the media/tabloid world. Someone who might have information regarding Chandler before anyone else? But then, they'd have no control over the date (November 5th). I admit that I am thoroughly confused. What is the significance of MJHD going down? Is TS responsible for that? What's the purpose of this? And if so then he/she is collaborating with the admin, right? Or TS is possibly one of the admin...
Ah yes, my old favorite topic of conversation, the original mjhd.com and it's "ADMIN". The mysterious "AMY" but not Amy, someone else maybe? No can't be, it's really just "AMY", you know, Amy from Australia. Right.
That whole thing was shady and full of weirdness. The old Admin the new "ADMIN", the old mod group, the new mod group, can't talk about this, can't talk about that, posts deleted, posts edited, topics deleted, topics edited. High esteem members witch hunted and targeted and accusations hurled around, flaky goo-goo newbies elevated to esteemed status. Bizarre. Just the weirdest fucking circus I have ever seen in my life... it can't have been for real. Knowing now what I didn't know back then, it is easier to see and understand the motives and purpose of what happened there.
Yes I believe MJ was behind that in a facet, yes indeed I do. Yes I believe there was a plan and a mapped out process for how everything went down. Take that how you want to.
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I just wonder how MJ would feel having his name associated with people who do those kind of shady things and treating his fans poorly.
I would hope he would NEVER want his name attached to people like.
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I think it was him. Actually.
All for love, of course, but somethings are meant to be viewed best in hindsight.
In retrospect, he did nothing, except be familiar with human nature, especially the dark side of it. It was others that took advantage of the situation, regular trolls, normal people acting ugly, myself included. I learned a very important lesson from all that. Souza became much stronger for it. I know, I watched it happen.
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I just wonder how MJ would feel having his name associated with people who do those kind of shady things and treating his fans poorly.
I would hope he would NEVER want his name attached to people like.
I agree anewfan. That was before my time on the forum but I've caught bits and pieces, like Bec mentions. Would MJ be a part of that?
Bec, I'm curious as to why do you think MJ has/had something to do with that. I'm sure you have compelling reasons why you say what you do.
Blessings
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I think it was him. Actually.
All for love, of course, but somethings are meant to be viewed best in hindsight.
In retrospect, he did nothing, except be familiar with human nature, especially the dark side of it. It was others that took advantage of the situation, regular trolls, normal people acting ugly, myself included. I learned a very important lesson from all that. Souza became much stronger for it. I know, I watched it happen.
Interesting thoughts. But if Amy was MJ why would he release the site to Badkolo and Souza? Any thoughts on that or am I misunderstanding things, which is highly possible.
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Sell. Sold. Not released. Sold for a few hundred dollars to be exact.
I don't want to get into it too much because it's all pure speculation on my part. I might be wrong about some stuff and I might be right about some stuff but I don't know, you know?
Let's just say I think it was all meant to work out just as it did.
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I agree with you Bec. The only way that MJ could have risen to the top and held the sharks at bay for 50+ years, and juggled 50 chainsaws of talents, charms and geniusness-- was because he had to be ruthless/bad in a good way. I'm assuming that many people who have been part of the MJ death scenario as professionals in their field, were not aware it was a hoax. I would assume this would apply to the internet domain as well, in arranging sites and admins and mods. No one really knows who is who.
One of the main reasons I feel Souza is who she says she is, is early on she was being interviewed by some reporter about the death hoax, and I could hear her voice and dutch accent, talking about some of the main points of the hoax including the DD interview if I recall correctly. She did a great job by the way! So when I read her posts I always attach that voice somehow. I haven't heard/seen anyone else here except for the recent jhero video where we hear him talking about this Main Attraction impersonator. Otherwise you can only get to know people through their writing and imagine what they look/sound like, and they could be anybody. All I heard about this Amy was that she felt under attack with death threats and she was into diaper fetishes of all things! Now it is that fact ALONE that makes me suspicious that she could really have been our MJ (Doo-doo), without anyone realizing it. And by the way, the song on the Main Attraction site was, "She's Not A Lady". Who knows what hints and whispers are all around us. I'm just putting out feelers, I really know nothing of behind the scenes of course. :D
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.
mmhmm.
He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.
I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...
mmhmm.
Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
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Wow, how often I have wished I'd been around from the beginning - to have witnessed first hand the evolution of this site. It has intrigued me from the start - my start that is, around April 2010, how the site, with all it's info on possible hows and whys of the hoax and almost everything 'wrapped up', (I believe 'we' have overcomplicated things enormously since!) could've emerged so quickly after 25th June if it was any old random member of Joe Public behind it. I've always suspected MJ, or someone in his camp, 'engineered' things to turn out the way they did. (Much like I think he may have a hand in TINI as well!)
I may be way off, of course, crazy talk, like Bec!
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The original questioning of Amy's identity happened August 3rd, 2009, late at night, more like early morning. I can't for the life of me remember the username but I remember the user persona, you know; posted a pic and a bio of Amy's "real identity" and a bunch of links. One of those links was to a page where an Amy Sampson was listed all the way at the bottom of a list of people and the title Cinematographer was used to describe her. I clicked on it and saw it myself. YES this was after Souza had already posted the movie theory. Yes this was very exciting. These links were removed shortly after, as in mere hours, and the forum was shut down for 3 days, but the seed was planted. The question of Amy's identity was brought to the table by a relatively unknown type poster, the SEFH of the day, if you know what I mean, and the rest is history. Before that the hoax was all peaches n cream, nice discussions and good clues. Just scratching the surface but all was at peace in baby hoaxville for 40 days and 40 nights. Then along came a spider.
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I saw her persona too! And absolutely I've, almost from the start, suspected Karen Faye to be heading up the TINI group, whipping the fans into a frenzy, with all the weak sickly MJ stuff. She's good! :lol:
But about the old MJHD site. I've wondered if there was a regular pruning of the MJ hoax army going on. Those of us that were here from near to the beginning, know we had to go through hell and back to still be here after all the site crashes, problems, catfights, major changes, troll attacks, and possible instigators It always makes me think (sorry to repeat myself) of the methods God used to dwindle Gideon's army of I think about 10,000 right down to 300, who then went on to defeat the vast Midianite army in a surprise attack in the night with torches and trumpets while they were sleeping, and the enemy killed each other in their confusion. I really believe MJ wants this site to be smaller and more intimate.
Diaper on the bed, good one! MJ, you're a crazy genius! :-* We've joked about needing a diaper, sitting at the computer so long. :oops:
Seriously though Bec, it sounds like you were kicked off for jumping the gun a little. It's all about timing All through this hoax I was aware of the controlling/fine tuning factors of when the family talked hard about MJ's real death--faith here would falter; and when hoax evidence came in our strength of beLIEving soared. MJ just has to move his little finger and things happen according to his plan.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4XBCdOkemiI/TNx3XymACqI/AAAAAAAAADc/UI7W6QB2wqM/s320/mj_remember2.JPG)
Also have you noticed how TS singles you out, thanking you so many times? Maybe he's apologizing for before. afraid/ Did you always call yourself Bec?
I wonder if it's okay now to discuss it, or will this lead to trouble again somehow? Some things can be mysterious. errrr
Early on, I began to develop a complete disdain for this Amy person, like she was a complete moron with no backbone.
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This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.
It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...
Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.
Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...
@ bec, can i confirm you are referring to 5th of nov, not 11th of may.
can not explain how glad i am that i clicked onto this thread.
incredibly insightful is an understatement...
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The original questioning of Amy's identity happened August 3rd, 2009, late at night, more like early morning. I can't for the life of me remember the username but I remember the user persona, you know; posted a pic and a bio of Amy's "real identity" and a bunch of links. One of those links was to a page where an Amy Sampson was listed all the way at the bottom of a list of people and the title Cinematographer was used to describe her. I clicked on it and saw it myself. YES this was after Souza had already posted the movie theory. Yes this was very exciting. These links were removed shortly after, as in mere hours, and the forum was shut down for 3 days, but the seed was planted. The question of Amy's identity was brought to the table by a relatively unknown type poster, the SEFH of the day, if you know what I mean, and the rest is history. Before that the hoax was all peaches n cream, nice discussions and good clues. Just scratching the surface but all was at peace in baby hoaxville for 40 days and 40 nights. Then along came a spider.
I remember this so well as it was around the time I finally took the plunge and joined the original forum after having been lurking and reading it for a few weeks. So it really stuck in my mind after only just having joined it. Plus I was pissed off it went down after finally believing enough that Michael had actually faked his death to join that friggin' original forum :lol: :lol:
I recall around the same time when the identity of AMY was being questioned that there was also someone who posted under the name of "No.1" who at the time seemed to have "inside" information (keep in mind this was early days - I think I have their posts saved on my laptop) and caused alot of upset and division on that original Forum and that was the night the Forum went down ( locked for a while...those 3 days or so).......AMY's identity plus who the f*ck was No.1 were the main issues from memory.
:geek: 8-)
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.
mmhmm.
He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.
I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...
mmhmm.
Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
It's really frustrating when you want to discuss a topic that you feel has value and you aren't allowed to. It really makes one wonder, "Why?".
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.
mmhmm.
He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.
I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...
mmhmm.
Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
It's really frustrating when you want to discuss a topic that you feel has value and you aren't allowed to. It really makes one wonder, "Why?".
Yeah you can you imaginary martyr. Just start a post<----for the thousandth time.
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.
mmhmm.
He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.
I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...
mmhmm.
Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
It's really frustrating when you want to discuss a topic that you feel has value and you aren't allowed to. It really makes one wonder, "Why?".
Yeah you can you imaginary martyr. Just start a post<----for the thousandth time.
??? whatever that means......
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It means you have been told repeatedly, you are more then welcome to discuss whatever you want, just start your own thread instead of hijacking others.
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
??? You shouldn't start rumors like that, this is the first and only time I ever heard of a diaper on the bed.
And are you saying that Michael has a diaper fetish? It gets very tabloid-ish on here sometimes. Who's your source? Arnold Klein?
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
??? You shouldn't start rumors like that, this is the first and only time I ever heard of a diaper on the bed.
And are you saying that Michael has a diaper fetish? It gets very tabloid-ish on here sometimes. Who's your source? Arnold Klein?
Incontinence pad=diaper. It's right there in the "death bed" pic. Along with the prayer beads and the tube of toothpaste. Hello.
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Dear God, THAT? That's not unusal at all in this context, with giving general anesthesia and/or someone with a prostate problem. I don't see a "diaper fetish" there.
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Well then stop spreading rumors, Sarah31.
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I didn't start any, you are the one claiming that Michael has a diaper fetish. That's totally something he wants to have connected to his name, I'm sure, a lot of crazy things have been said about him over the decades, why stop now.
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Lmao.
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Maybe I'm a little confused. I think that anewfan's post was misunderstood but maybe I'm wrong.
I might be seeing this wrong too but regarding the incontinence pad - if (and that's a big IF) Amy=MJ and Amy stated she had a diaper fetish then perhaps it's not really because there was a fetish at all but it was only said in order to connect Amy to MJ (the incontinence pad)? We already know that some things aren't meant for easy interpretation. Maybe this is one?
I think there has been discussion about prostate problems and incontinence pads and the autopsy report did not state anything out of the ordinary which (yes, I know - is it real) could confirm that the pad was not for prostate problems.
The truth will come out. All we need to do is be patient and keep our eyes open while we put the pieces together.
What is helpful for me is if someone can prove that the incontinence pad was truly there for health issues because I haven't seen any reason for it to be there, just like I haven't found any reason for the unopened tube of toothpaste to be on the bed either or the doll, for that matter. Come to think of it, there is still much that is unanswered, like that bloodied shirt in the closet with the price tag of 3.99. I know what's been explained on this forum, and it makes sense, but it amazes me that the family left it in the closet while clearing things out and the police didn't collect it as evidence. Why would MJ have that shirt in the closet?
Blessings
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I might be seeing this wrong too but regarding the incontinence pad - if (and that's a big IF) Amy=MJ and Amy stated she had a diaper fetish then perhaps it's not really because there was a fetish at all but it was only said in order to connect Amy to MJ (the incontinence pad)? We already know that some things aren't meant for easy interpretation. Maybe this is one?
That's exactly what I think.
And yes, IF. And it doesn't really matter who "AMY" actually was, just who was behind it.
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Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.
mmhmm.
He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.
I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...
mmhmm.
Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
The situation with the old board interests me a lot. I wasn't there to see with my eyes, so if you and the others like to share more, I'm glad.
First, do you really remember that the board was OK until August 3? Do you really remember the exact date? I understand it was the first time the board was shut down on August 3rd? But for what reason, just because someone posted a link to Amy's information?
About the diaper fetish you talk about- was Amy discussing about this? I mean you understand, was she talking about this BEFORE this was in the media? I remember the bed photo appeared soon in the media. What do you mean with diaper fetish? And catheters, urine bags discussion. It could be a thing if it was discussed BEFORE this hit the media and BEFORE others read this in media.
MJonmind, you say the same. Were you there and saw this too? BEFORE this diaper/catheters/urine bags story hit the media?
All I heard about this Amy was that she felt under attack with death threats and she was into diaper fetishes of all things! Now it is that fact ALONE that makes me suspicious that she could really have been our MJ (Doo-doo), without anyone realizing it.
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Geez, they had one of those underneath me for 3 days at the hospital - looked like a puppy pad I put in the carriers for long trips. I felt it was there for hygiene, no one ever made a big deal of it, sheeesh! :oops: Mine was still clean, when I left. Though at least in the hospital, they cover with a nice cotton QUILT, for comfort. I then had fluffy blankets, over sheet on me - only part that made the stay a bit tolerable.
OMG! THAT is what's wrong with this picture! Definitely set up, people - no one worth that kind of money would tolerate THAT against their skin! You gotta cover them with the quilt pads. Just totally inhumane, if really done to anyone.
Had a roommate, who used to encase his mattress with a giant waterproof cover, so none of this is making sense, when you take it apart, seriously.
Look at what's on the bed, as clues.
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Anna, I really know nothing--it was over my head. I just heard there was a lot of fighting behind the scenes, backstabbing, people supposedly getting into Amy's private info, finding out about the diaper fetish. There were a lot of big long posts trying to explain about the situation and fights, but it was clear as mud. What doesn't make sense is that if she had started that hoax site--was it the day of or even before June 25,09 (help anyone?), it must have been very important to her, and yet she suddenly decided to quit, and sell the domain to I'm assuming Badkolo. Wouldn't she just plow through all that garbage if she really wanted to find answers about the hoax? It all just seems very strange. Also there was no talk about the Illuminati allowed, and TS has mentioned that as well, so it felt we were being restricted in discussing all possibilities. I'm thinking this Amy couldn't have been MJ, because right at that time the hoax was in progress, and he would have been too extremely busy to run that site. I just don't know at all. I'm sure Souza's been dealing with as much as this Amy was or more, and she hasn't given up, which we are very grateful for. bow/ :D
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My answers to your questions are in blue.
Diaper fetish.
And there was a diaper on the "death bed".
And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.
mmhmm.
He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.
I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...
mmhmm.
Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
The situation with the old board interests me a lot. I wasn't there to see with my eyes, so if you and the others like to share more, I'm glad.
First, do you really remember that the board was OK until August 3? Yes, all was well until 8/3/09. Do you really remember the exact date? Yes, I really do, because it was 40 days and 40 nights exactly that the board was open until the first crash. Additionally, we have the archives for the original forum up until 8/3/09. I understand it was the first time the board was shut down on August 3rd? But for what reason, just because someone posted a link to Amy's information? That's what Amy said. Always seemed like a silly reason to freak out and shut the whole thing down to me.
About the diaper fetish you talk about- was Amy discussing about this? No, Amy never discussed it. It was "discovered" when her personal information was posted, including the links, one was a link to her diaper fetish site. I mean you understand, was she talking about this BEFORE this was in the media? I remember the bed photo appeared soon in the media. NOTW posted the "death bed" pic on 8/2/09 but keep reading because it's more complicated then that as you'll see. What do you mean with diaper fetish? Don't ask me, such topics are not my area of expertice. I'm just repeating the information from memory. And catheters, urine bags discussion. It could be a thing if it was discussed BEFORE this hit the media and BEFORE others read this in media. Death Bed pic published 8/2/09, Amy's info posted and "discovered" 8/3/09. End of story you think? Not so fast, such a conspiracy STILL required forethought and planning, one of the links that was posted was to Amy's diaper fetish site that was in existence prior, with a member list and an active forum, and Miss Amy as acting Admin, with existing account information, etc. That was not set up in less then 24hrs.
MJonmind, you say the same. Were you there and saw this too? BEFORE this diaper/catheters/urine bags story hit the media?
All I heard about this Amy was that she felt under attack with death threats and she was into diaper fetishes of all things! Now it is that fact ALONE that makes me suspicious that she could really have been our MJ (Doo-doo), without anyone realizing it. Good point about Doo-Doo, MJonmind, that didn't occur to me but it's a forehead slapping DUH! moment. Urine bags and condom catheters and peeing in cups and all the other bathroom humor didn't make it onto the scene until many many months after forum wars were finally over. I was there for all of this that I describe, I did see it all with my own eyes, I am indeed an eye witness... but 8/3/09 was very early in my hoax career. I knew not to take screenshots and archive information. I was very inexperienced. End of story=I cannot prove any of this to you. This is my own personal experience. Take it how you want to.
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Anna, I really know nothing--it was over my head. I just heard there was a lot of fighting behind the scenes, backstabbing, people supposedly getting into Amy's private info, finding out about the diaper fetish. There were a lot of big long posts trying to explain about the situation and fights, but it was clear as mud. What doesn't make sense is that if she had started that hoax site--was it the day of or even before June 25,09 (help anyone?), it must have been very important to her, and yet she suddenly decided to quit, and sell the domain to I'm assuming Badkolo. Wouldn't she just plow through all that garbage if she really wanted to find answers about the hoax? It all just seems very strange. Also there was no talk about the Illuminati allowed, and TS has mentioned that as well, so it felt we were being restricted in discussing all possibilities. I'm thinking this Amy couldn't have been MJ, because right at that time the hoax was in progress, and he would have been too extremely busy to run that site. I just don't know at all. I'm sure Souza's been dealing with as much as this Amy was or more, and she hasn't given up, which we are very grateful for. bow/ :D
The site was launched on 6/25/09 as a blog, somewhere around 5:30pm. I didn't find it until July 17th, 2009, but this information is available on whois.com. MJHD.com already had the ambulance pic on it at time of launch (archived by Google cache), and the pics of MJ from TII, including the one of him behind the camera, and there was some intriguing commentary. I can't recall the exact findings she had posted but it was strong enough evidence right off the bat to suck us all down the rabbithole.
In hindsight, if I had clicked on that site and the information there was bullshit (my bullshit meter is pretty sensitive, and I was never a big MJ fan, just inexplicably distraught by his "death". For reference, I also clicked the "MJsightings" website and saw immediately that it was BS), that would be all she wrote and my life would have taken a very different path going forward to today.
Additional information to keep in mind, Amy was very clear about it, she was not an MJ fan. Not in the slightest bit. Her story was that she knew the subject would be popular, so as soon as she heard the news, she registered the domain name and spent a couple hours launching the site. How she discovered the hoax info, or why she even bothered to do so considering her self defined lack of interest, she never offered to explain.
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Just spent time searching the memory banks and I think I remember that the username 'BB" (for Berlin Baby) posted the links to Amy's info. HE was a 'hard' personality, similar to... well... I'll not say it, i'll just say he wasn't touchy feely hearts n hugs, nor was he professional and organized. More off the cuff and rough around the edges, with a 'hard' sense of humor, very boy-ish with an adult edge to it.
I remember he randomly posted a pic of an old woman in bed with the covers pulled up to her chin with a stuffed monkey tucked in beside her. I never figured out what that was supposed to mean. It was odd. It was the same night and just before he posted the links to Amy's stuff. A handfull of us were posting back n forth in live time on the the thread, so it was all happening fast.
I stayed up super late that night (as per normal now lol), think 4am-ish. When I woke up the next morning, the board was in the process of switching to read-only, one thread at a time, right before my eyes. I don't remember if Amy posted an explanation initially or if that came later. Souza PM'ed me and everyone else the link to MJKIT before the PM feature got disabled and BAM the rest is history.
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That person you talk about, "BB", was kind of BACKish? That's what you mean? I mean in hindsight, after you know BACK's style, considering that you didn't know about BACK back then.
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Speaking of coincidences, I just had to share this. :lol:
(http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj513/sblanks7/Screenshot2012-01-13at25649PM.png)
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That person you talk about, "BB", was kind of BACKish? That's what you mean? I mean in hindsight, after you know BACK's style, considering that you didn't know about BACK back then.
It's hard to say but there were some similarities in sense of humor. I don't want to speculate any further to that fact simply because it has been so long and the posts in question were deleted. That's why I stopped. Similar. Leave it at that.
I do remember that BB never posted anything real heavy, no real substance, he felt a little troll-ish, in a way, as in he was only there to make jokes n such. Hard jokes, too, with an edge to them. He felt a little... dangerous. Like up to no good-ish. Hard to explain.
BB was also fairly new to the board. He wasn't a regular. Nor was he a very prolific poster. I didn't recognize him and I was a junkie straight off the bat... though I had just arrived on 7/17 and this went down 8/3... keep in mind how new I really was. Other regulars when consulted after the fact attested that BB was sort of familiar to them, as in they recognized the username more then I did at the time. BB had a couple of different screennames, though I can't remember the others. I think he did actually go by Berlin Baby at some point, but there were others.
This all seems like forever ago, like the NEW me is trying to remember what the OLD me saw. Weird.
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Also have you noticed how TS singles you out, thanking you so many times? Maybe he's apologizing for before. afraid/ Did you always call yourself Bec?
I wonder if it's okay now to discuss it, or will this lead to trouble again somehow? Some things can be mysterious. errrr
I don't think I should let this question go.
Yes, I am bec, nothing but bec (occasionally followed by "minion"), and always been bec. I have noticed what you say and it's curious as I certainly need nor deserve any thanking. I doubt it's for before because no apologies would be needed. All he did was gently prod me in the right direction, the direction I was fated to go in... but with how I can get... I wasn't going to take the first step without a little coaxing. I needed to leave that board and stop being distracted. I needed to get with Souza and get working on this investigation... not dwell on stupid little drama scenes and mill about in fluff land aka (the old) MJHD.com. I had fallen for the distractions and the trojan horse jockeys and needed a kick in the pants to get re-centered. I got it and I'm better off for it. I should thank HIM and apologize to HIM.
Yeah, I still think I was on to something, I still think I AM on to something... but it wasn't the right time. It was too early, and there would be no way to convey that message to me or anyone else without RUINING it (no spoilers). So it had to be the way that it was. Hindsight is truly 20-20.
Ps. It won't lead to trouble. It's fine now. Even in hoax land no one believes me weeeee! lol.
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They kicked your ass every time you brought up serious things? I mean talk about NWO, Illuminati, TPTB, etc.
Or do you mean something else when you say that you know you were on to something? I wasn't there, but it's important for my logic to ask you. I am interested what sensitive chord you touched, what was exactly the reason you were kicked out of the board and chat, to tie it up now, in hindsight.
Have you (you who were there on the old board) had any explanation why the board was shut down and sold? No one came out to speak? Mods, etc. I remember some time ago reading long explanations copy/pasted here from someone with the username Wozniak or something like that. I don't remember details, but I think Wozniak was someone from the Mods. I got from it that this Amy opened the forum just because many do it when something so huge happens. Like- just because. Then got tired of it, of threats, and she shut it down.But I am not sure that was the idea. This is what I vaguely recall from reading opinions.
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Whenever I talked about the possibility that the board was more then just a fan board, and more then it professed to be. When I suggested we weren't being told the truth about who ADMIN was. Whenever I brought up the subject of investigating anything in regards to the website itself. Whenever I suggested MJ might be behind the whole thing, that the site was part of the hoax. I didn't know what an ARG was at the time.
And it wasn't just me. Anyone who brought up these subjects was subject to the same treatment. I just happen to not let things go so easy, so I wouldn't let it die.
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The site was launched on 6/25/09 as a blog, somewhere around 5:30pm.
Bec, your info on the beginnings of the site is fascinating and very much appreciated. Thanks!
I've tried, in vain, to find this very first blog post. Looking in the archives for MJHD (using the link at the bottom of this page) I can see all the 'recent' posts i.e. Aug 09, but I'd really like to see the post that kicked all this off. I'm figuring you may know your way around the archives better than me - if you have time and could find it and post, or point me in a clearer direction, I'd be ever so grateful. bearhug
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The blog was "AMY"s information and was not saved. The forum was separate and was saved from inception-8/3/09. At least that is how I remember it going.
I really can't remember what was on the blog other then she speculated the TII pics of MJ on stage were photoshopped (we eventually found out they weren't), there was also the ambulance pic on the front page and a good deal of commentary on it. I probably only read it once when I first clicked (went straight to the forum for the most part thereafter), but whatever it was, the content quickly convinced me this was NOT bullshit.
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The forum archives were "returned" to us after the entire thing was lost for some time. Souza was given a link to the old forum archives on Christmas Eve 2009 and that's how we got them back. The original blog was not part of the gift.
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Oh Ok, thanks for explaining Bec. I'm still foraging around in the archives trying to find the oldest posts!
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Berlin Baby! :lol:
(http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Galleries/Michael%20Jackson/michael-jackson-balcony-sized-new.jpg)
Not having any actual posts leaves it to speculation! What else is new... :cry:
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bec thank you for filling in the gaps. i appreciate this as i have been reading the archives for some time now and there are a few holes. trying not to get too bogged down in past drama, but read a little and this thread has helped.
cheers to you and all your good work, from way back when, til now!
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I remember the circus as well. The site was already up the 1st time i googled MJ faked death after seeing the ambo pic. It was a blog format, very primitive, with few members. The was another site up, MJ sightings with pics of Michael Kiss.
I did not connect well at first with that forum since my first impression was that the people participating were may be not mentally stable and kind of irrational fanatics...even giving death threats...On the positive side, I remember some members being very investigative since day 1, making pictures of cars and comparing the results. However, the forum had fights since the beginning as I remember and people became suspicious about the administrator, so the info was posted. The first site also asked for donations.
More circus happened and the site was down, files transferred to silver wolf & co? or something like that, and Badkolo bought it at the end and Mo and Souza became admins of this one.
I must say that I became more active forum wise since Souza and Mo got the site and even if i don´t recall 100% the circus many bells rings after the years.
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Oh yes, I remember Silverwolf being a major poster, was he a mod or something? Bec, do you know anything more about him and his part?
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Silverwolf was a newbie to the board (mjhd.com) in late September 2009 who was promoted to Mod by the first week in October. He became my ultra-nemesis from hello. He had no people skills and no hoax knowledge, but he and a couple others, also with little or no management experience and little hoax knowledge were promoted to replace the Souza crew (old mods) that were all demoded or banned (save for 2 I believe).
He didn't know who "AMY" was or "ADMIN" but at first fiercely defended both identities as well as his appointed position on the board. In my opinion, he simply started fires and then fanned the flames. I think his purpose, aware or not, was to instigate tension. After the old board was finally shut down for good, his story was that he realized he too was fooled by "AMY"/ADMIN and thus developed a vendetta because of it. Due in part to his newly developed grudge, Silverwolf was tricked into talking "AMY" into selling the site to Badkolo, because we were all under the assumption that "AMY" would never sell if she believed that Souza would get it. Once the site was sold, Silverwolf discovered the ruse and was not happy. For many months thereafter, Silverwolf was prolific all over hoaxland in posting about his rage over the whole incident.
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Ever thought of using "TheWayBACKMachine" to the date, to get everything back? 8)
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Silverwolf was a newbie to the board (mjhd.com) in late September 2009 who was promoted to Mod by the first week in October. He became my ultra-nemesis from hello. He had no people skills and no hoax knowledge, but he and a couple others, also with little or no management experience and little hoax knowledge were promoted to replace the Souza crew (old mods) that were all demoded or banned (save for 2 I believe).
He didn't know who "AMY" was or "ADMIN" but at first fiercely defended both identities as well as his appointed position on the board. In my opinion, he simply started fires and then fanned the flames. I think his purpose, aware or not, was to instigate tension. After the old board was finally shut down for good, his story was that he realized he too was fooled by "AMY"/ADMIN and thus developed a vendetta because of it. Due in part to his newly developed grudge, Silverwolf was tricked into talking "AMY" into selling the site to Badkolo, because we were all under the assumption that "AMY" would never sell if she believed that Souza would get it. Once the site was sold, Silverwolf discovered the ruse and was not happy. For many months thereafter, Silverwolf was prolific all over hoaxland in posting about his rage over the whole incident.
Sounds familiar!
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Drama people :-[ crash/
Thanks Bec, for your info!
Tink, isn't that history for you! Always missing pieces, mingled with miss-information/miss-understandings, because usually there was evil agendas mixed in, trouble, violence, etc., making saving things difficult. So we have to do with what we have.
I would really like to read more of Back's posts that were deleted. Well, I guess I would like to see any new video/tapes/pics of MJ! :D Begging for crumbs! bow/
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Man...I recall all of this.
I was new to the hoax and had been lurking at that Forum reading for a week or a bit more...then I decided to join which was around that time in early August when it was locked and all the stuff about Amy was happening (plus another poster called No.1 I seem to recall).
The way bec is describing it is as I remember it too. I recall Silverwolf too.....and the wasn't there a dude called "John" who had 3 kids who supposedly bought the Forum when it went down in November.......and then it never came back on line again??? or was that earlier in the drama? That was when there was a mass exodus to Souza's (and Mo's - at the time) Forum.
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Ah yes "John". Good biblical name, eh? The 3 kids... I remember that. Wasn't he supposedly out of L.A. too? Everyone's radar was going haywire over that one at the time, even the slow ones, lol.
Story on "John" was that he was some mysterious acquaintance of "AMY"s to whom she "sold" the site because she wanted out. As the story went, before the transaction was complete, "John" was somehow able to gain access and crashed the site and all the info (archives) was lost. Then "John" disappeared. The story continues on that somehow "AMY" was able to retake possession of the site and cancel the sale, but the damage was done, again, supposedly. This was when the site went down for good, late November 2009, right before the eventual sale to Badkolo.
Possible theory surfacing at the time was that "AMY"="John" and she simply lied in an attempt to cover her identity while still remaining in possession of the site, and that "she" crashed it herself. As I mentioned earlier, on Christmas Eve 2009, we were "gifted" the old archives 6/25/09-->8/3/09... but nothing past 8/3/09. How this chunk of archived information survived such "sabotage" was, and remains, a mystery.
"John"s mysterious and short lived role emerged shortly after "AMY"s brief experimentation with the "Donate Now" button. I'm not sure anyone who clicked that button ever actually had money removed from their account. There was some word that the "donations" were all returned or never went through in the first place. The whole donation thing was similar to the fans committing suicide over MJ's death thing; rumors widely circulated but never substantiated.
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In any case, originating from the original crash on 8/3/09, there were two camps (two sides) emerging. Souza's crew and... everyone else (I call them the Fluff Bunnies lol). The Fluff Bunnies included the new mods who were all appointed to replace the Souza crew, and those members who felt loyal to them. The Fluff Bunnies rallied around Silverwolf and split off from us once and for all after he discovered that he was tricked by Badkolo (into facilitating the sale of the site), and eventually formed .net (they all still, to this day, hate us, lol). Souza crew settled into MJKIT for good (we always used it as the back up board whenever .com would crash), and following the purchase of .com, we moved over to the new board that Souza set up, MJDHI. Badkolo redirected MJHD.com to MJHDI and the dust began to settle.
This is why to this day, if you type in michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com, it takes you here.
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You know something else just occurred to me.
One of the very very early accusations against "AMY", which began circulating shortly after the first board closing, was that she intended to use the archives, all our work since she never participated (past the handfull of original blog entries), to write a book. People would periodically pop into chat or a thread to "warn" us about the "dangers" of being on the forum. The tone that was put on this was extremely negative, suggesting that such a move would be a betrayal of trust against us, theft of our intellectual property, not to mention making money off MJ's name under the guise of a hoax forum. Anyway, lots of negative press.
The rumor pretty much died a natural death once we had each other to fight with instead.
Fast forward to spring 2010, a few months after the board closed and the archives largely disappeared, Pearl Jr. arrives on the scene hawking 'Psuedocide' on Amazon. This is a book about the hoax death which consists entirely of internet hoaxers work (even debunked theories lol). Nobody really knew what to make of it. I don't really know why but the connection wasn't given much attention.
I have suspected that Pearl is a plant. I have suspected that she has a role to play in all this, much like Karen Faye. I'm not sure what Pearl's role is but I have to admit she fills a niche. Because she is a long time MJ supporter and a gen-yoo-wine journalist, she receives a great deal more credibility then if she was just one of us. The problem with Pearl is she largely supports false theories yet on paper she is what many would deem to be a reliable source. Almost exclusively her theories are wildly implausible or have been previously debunked. Even though most dismiss her, you know her position garners subconscious credibility that she does not deserve. She stands in front of a microphone and talks about the hoax thereby goes public with it. This makes it "real".
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Ah yes "John". Good biblical name, eh? The 3 kids... I remember that. Wasn't he supposedly out of L.A. too? Everyone's radar was going haywire over that one at the time, even the slow ones, lol.
Story on "John" was that he was some mysterious acquaintance of "AMY"s to whom she "sold" the site because she wanted out. As the story went, before the transaction was complete, "John" was somehow able to gain access and crashed the site and all the info (archives) was lost. Then "John" disappeared. The story continues on that somehow "AMY" was able to retake possession of the site and cancel the sale, but the damage was done, again, supposedly. This was when the site went down for good, late November 2009, right before the eventual sale to Badkolo.
Possible theory surfacing at the time was that "AMY"="John" and she simply lied in an attempt to cover her identity while still remaining in possession of the site, and that "she" crashed it herself. As I mentioned earlier, on Christmas Eve 2009, we were "gifted" the old archives 6/25/09-->8/3/09... but nothing past 8/3/09. How this chunk of archived information survived such "sabotage" was, and remains, a mystery.
"John"s mysterious and short lived role emerged shortly after "AMY"s brief experimentation with the "Donate Now" button. I'm not sure anyone who clicked that button ever actually had money removed from their account. There was some word that the "donations" were all returned or never went through in the first place. The whole donation thing was similar to the fans committing suicide over MJ's death thing; rumors widely circulated but never substantiated.
Yeh..."John" was supposedly from LA. I remember all this now as you have relayed it bec and it being extremely chaotic and verging on hysterical at the time. Silverwolf caused alot of shit I recall. As I mentioned in August 2009 I was lurking ALOT and by November 2009 I was a fully fledged hoax obsessive member of that Forum and then eventually here! lol
Also the day when "John" was apparently going to get the Forum online again (which everyone was anxiously awaiting for) when the web address was typed in a kind of odd but funny picture of MJ pulling a face popped up instead ...I think it's the one of him taken in one of those photo-booths??? The Forum never came on-line under the Admin of this "John". Thank goodness those times are over.
Interesting about Pearl Jnr too ....things that make you hmmmm.
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Dude!! I forgot about that!!
You're right, briefly the forum link redirected to a photobooth type pic of MJ that was... not flattering. People were aghast! and shocked! at the outrage of this stunt. How disrespectful to Michael this was and how this showed once and for all that John was a saboteur evil doer who was never interested in the hoax at all! Gasp! Cry!
You know I never saw that pic before or since. Pretty sure now, in hindsight, it was a never-before seen pic, and it was indeed MJ, no doubt about it. It was his face larger then life size. It nearly filled the screen, if I remember correctly? Again, he didn't look so Hollywood in this pic. It certainly wasn't a glamour shot, that's for sure, lol. Kinda how we all look first thing in the morning.
Shortly thereafter, the pic disappeared and the web address simply redirected to a page that said site for sale, contact AMY with offers @ADMIN@MJHD.com.
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Oh boy, the "John" story I almost forgot.
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Wow, some crap you've all been through!
Something about Pearl Jr's. name stuck in my head - and I realized this morning, Pearl was the very last album that Janis Joplin ever released, which came out after her death.
Pearl Jr. seems to enjoy spreading disinformation intentionally to the masses. But then, she's trying to sell an E-BOOK! I'm not biting. :ugeek:
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I think that Pearl believes that Michael is alive and faked his death but she also is taking this opportunity to make some money and survive for a while. All we post on the net is free info. She is just smarter than us in that sense and is profiting from it, making a living.
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Entirely possible. But she's a good example of what is usually deemed a credible source being anything but credible.
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Pearl a credible source? since when?
As far as I read or watched, she seems pretty confused about many things from the beginning. Many posts that were debunked she promoted as on the right track and she also believed some fakers.
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Entirely possible. But she's a good example of what is usually deemed a credible source being anything but credible.
I said she's anything but credible. But on paper; professional journalist, followed the 2005 trial, long time MJ supporter, on location in L.A., she is what many would deem a credible source. That was the point I was trying to make.
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Ooops...I read seemed.
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Dude!! I forgot about that!!
You're right, briefly the forum link redirected to a photobooth type pic of MJ that was... not flattering. People were aghast! and shocked! at the outrage of this stunt. How disrespectful to Michael this was and how this showed once and for all that John was a saboteur evil doer who was never interested in the hoax at all! Gasp! Cry!
You know I never saw that pic before or since. Pretty sure now, in hindsight, it was a never-before seen pic, and it was indeed MJ, no doubt about it. It was his face larger then life size. It nearly filled the screen, if I remember correctly? Again, he didn't look so Hollywood in this pic. It certainly wasn't a glamour shot, that's for sure, lol. Kinda how we all look first thing in the morning.
Shortly thereafter, the pic disappeared and the web address simply redirected to a page that said site for sale, contact AMY with offers @ADMIN@MJHD.com.
Yeh that was the photo - it was not the best pic of MJ I have seen either, but kinda funny in an odd way.... I don't think it was there for a very long time either. It was funny how so many hoaxers were waiting for the site to come back up and when it was thought to be up all that showed was that pic of MJ staring back....and nothing else. Yep and then it went to that site where it was up for sale. :lol:
That whole episode freaked a few people out ......
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Thanks bec and Adi for filling in a lot of the blanks about the 'old' board. I caught the tail end of it when I began my 'lurking' days...but I mainly read posts about what had already occurred, I missed it as it was happening.
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With L.O.V.E. always.
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Dude!! I forgot about that!!
You're right, briefly the forum link redirected to a photobooth type pic of MJ that was... not flattering. People were aghast! and shocked! at the outrage of this stunt. How disrespectful to Michael this was and how this showed once and for all that John was a saboteur evil doer who was never interested in the hoax at all! Gasp! Cry!
You know I never saw that pic before or since. Pretty sure now, in hindsight, it was a never-before seen pic, and it was indeed MJ, no doubt about it. It was his face larger then life size. It nearly filled the screen, if I remember correctly? Again, he didn't look so Hollywood in this pic. It certainly wasn't a glamour shot, that's for sure, lol. Kinda how we all look first thing in the morning.
Shortly thereafter, the pic disappeared and the web address simply redirected to a page that said site for sale, contact AMY with offers @ADMIN@MJHD.com.
That photo was a never-before-seen? Not even now? Maybe you weren't much into Michael at that time? Could you find it on web now and show it to us who weren't there? I'm really curious now.
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I don't think I could find it. I've never seen it since. I think it's noteworthy that it has never resurfaced in all this time.
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I don't think I could find it. I've never seen it since. I think it's noteworthy that it has never resurfaced in all this time.
Bec, try to describe it in details as much as you can, maybe I recall something from what I saw during years. I wasn't on the forum back then but I have a good photographic memory regarding photos. Try to describe it with full details as you remember it. What year was the photo from? Also anyone who saw it, please.
It's important if it was a new photo or an old one altered.
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Anything like this?
(http://p.twimg.com/AfjrR-2CQAEdhYw.jpg)
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@MJonmind
He was sort of pulling a similar funny face in the picture, however he was older than in the one you posted (as in it was probably taken in the mid-2000's), not wearing a hat and it seemed like it was taken in one of those photo-booths - was in black and white. Poking out his tongue??? Bec might remember more details......
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The first thing that came into my mind was this
at min 1:36
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d_2sNnDJBc&feature=related[/youtube]
Do you remember if it was a print screen from here?
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I remember it was a scary pic. MJ was old enough in it for it to be recent, perhaps, at least his apparent age in the photo didn't rule out the possibility. He had his eyes very wide, almost bugged out I'd say. I think his hair was a mess if I recall correctly. I don't remember if he was sticking his tongue out like Adi says. I'm not refuting her, I just don't remember.
I agree it was black n white, though I feel it was washed out color faded to black n white, perhaps altered. MJ looked like hell, that much I recall. Like a pic from a horror movie and he's the monster, though the pic was certainly not a pro job, hense defining it as a photobooth pic. It was not a still from a video. It was not MJ from the Bashir interview, I would have recognized that. He looked like I have never seen him before and never have seen him since. It's like seeing a really bad pic of someone who is usually so beautiful, like how the tabloids capture awkward shots of celebrities to embarrass them, except 10x worse. Like a mug shot, except 10x worse. It was shocking to see him like that, I admit.
I, unfortunately, didn't look at it for long, so I maybe didn't absorb much detail into the long term storage banks. I could well be simply describing my impression of the pic that I have carried forward to today. Take it with a grain of salt. You have to realize, I'm trying to describe a pic I saw once, maybe 2x, for about 10 seconds, over 2 years ago.
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I know it's been long. But damn, I'm even more curious now. I remember another photo of Michael where he is very amazed somehow, it's a closeup.
I'll see if I find it and post it here.
EDIT:
Found it
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1058000/1058780_1288494524104.87res_348_425.jpg)
You mean, as you describe it, that it was photoshopped to make him look bad as in disrespect? Not in a funny prankish way?
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Woooo I think that might be it...(?)...! Maybe...?
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LOL you guys are funny :lol: bearhug
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I know it's been long. But damn, I'm even more curious now. I remember another photo of Michael where he is very amazed somehow, it's a closeup.
I'll see if I find it and post it here.
EDIT:
Found it
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1058000/1058780_1288494524104.87res_348_425.jpg)
You mean, as you describe it, that it was photoshopped to make him look bad as in disrespect? Not in a funny prankish way?
Obviously photo-chopped. There's a difference between men & women, if you look at us, of which this photo definitely crosses the line from reality into impossible! It really looks like perhaps, a woman's face, with wax dummy face pieces attached to it, to be honest, and then just destroyed.
Hint: the space between the upper lip, and between the lips and chin. Women naturally have a longer space between the nose and upper lip; whereas, all men have it shorter. Women have a shorter chin, because of the space being taken up from above the lip. Men have a larger chin, because of a shorter area up there.
The orbital sockets are blown out of proportion here, making the nose much too WIDE for Michael, and they made his eyebrows crawl UP his forehead! They then took the clone tool for the hair, and swept that in on the right side, to try and make it look a little natural - FAKE. LOOK closely at that right eye, there's a hair from NOWHERE, coming out from UNDER that right eye!
Typical Tabloid junk, plus they also just about sealed the nose shut! Whoever posted this, should get a big kick in their butt!! /pull hair/
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I know it's been long. But damn, I'm even more curious now. I remember another photo of Michael where he is very amazed somehow, it's a closeup.
I'll see if I find it and post it here.
EDIT:
Found it
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1058000/1058780_1288494524104.87res_348_425.jpg)
You mean, as you describe it, that it was photoshopped to make him look bad as in disrespect? Not in a funny prankish way?
Obviously photo-chopped. There's a difference between men & women, if you look at us, of which this photo definitely crosses the line from reality into impossible! It really looks like perhaps, a woman's face, with wax dummy face pieces attached to it, to be honest, and then just destroyed.
Hint: the space between the upper lip, and between the lips and chin. Women naturally have a longer space between the nose and upper lip; whereas, all men have it shorter. Women have a shorter chin, because of the space being taken up from above the lip. Men have a larger chin, because of a shorter area up there.
The orbital sockets are blown out of proportion here, making the nose much too WIDE for Michael, and they made his eyebrows crawl UP his forehead! They then took the clone tool for the hair, and swept that in on the right side, to try and make it look a little natural - FAKE. LOOK closely at that right eye, there's a hair from NOWHERE, coming out from UNDER that right eye!
Typical Tabloid junk, plus they also just about sealed the nose shut! Whoever posted this, should get a big kick in their butt!! /pull hair/
You might be right. There is something not 'real' about this pic. Just a gut feeling I guess.
Sorry, I am not an expert and it is good to get your opinion on this, as I know very little about photo manipulation. And his nose does look too wide as you pointed out.
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Anything like this?
(http://p.twimg.com/AfjrR-2CQAEdhYw.jpg)
:lol:
You got to love Mike. I mean this pic...it made me laugh all morning despite me having not the best day.
Thanks Michael!
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Yeh Anna.....I think that was the one.
Like bec......I couldn't remember all the details as it was so long ago and the pic was up for only a short time. I definitely remember his eyes though looking like that.
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So, is it the common thought that John or Silverwolf photo-shopped the picture and placed it on the website after hacking into it? Makes sense to me.
The more I look at that picture the more I see what Tink is referring to. I'm no photo shop expert either so I wasn't 100% certain myself other than to sense that something was altered with the photo.
Thanks, Tink, for your expert observations.
Blessings.
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Yes! That was the pic that scared the living daylights out of me!
Wow! I'm glad I came across this thread. I remember all that what happened (except for the John and 3 kids poster). Some of it is coming back to me. Wasn't there a woman that claimed she knew MJ? I can't remember the name. And remember the crazy one by Shanaland? LOL. I really miss those days. It's too bad I wasn't saving some of those posts. Actually some of the conversations I printed because I would read them on the bus. Yes, I was that obsessed with the hoax. :geek:
Bec et al...I am glad you guys still beLIEve.
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i am loving this thread, i must say. it keeps giving and giving.
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Oh there were dozens that claimed to know MJ, pick one.
Does anyone remember SoccorMom or MinivanMom or SuperMom, whatever her name, you know who I mean. Remember that one?
And Shikster. Where's he been? I haven't seen him in months. Possibly a year even?
@Shamone, I'm glad I still believe too :mrgreen: geek/ :twisted: and I'm glad you still frequent the joint.
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lol......I seem to remember a SoccorMom or it might have been SuperMom and I also remember Shanaland...ahhhh for the life of me I could never understand her ravings hahahaha.......I think that was around the time I started lurking the original forum.
Shikster used to write poetry didn't they? and riddles I seem recall. They had that avatar which was the Riddler from Batman??? or something like that....a cartoon character in green. I used to like reading the Shikster's posts.
@Aussie it's a trip down memory lane :mrgreen:
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As you've all guessed, I work with computers for a living - but because of the economy, I can't focus on what I love. Jack of All Trades for now. Photoshop is my backbone, and I can quite literally turn a man into a woman that's 100% passible with just the clone tool and brush tool, cut tool, etc. if I like - because I've been paid to do so (Not for a tabloid; I refuse to take blood money, btw!).
Which is why I can import any high resolution image, and see if it's been messed with. That photo, they cloned it, and combined it from side to side, also. Rule of thumb: the space between your eyes = the size of one eye! There's a complete mathematic equation to art, if you're not sure. I laugh at the checkstands, at what the morons for the tabloids are getting paid for! Like, taking Angelina Jolie, shrinking her body, and dropping her head on! Um, guess what? Your body is larger than your head, duh! Arm is bigger than a child's.
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I know it's been long. But damn, I'm even more curious now. I remember another photo of Michael where he is very amazed somehow, it's a closeup.
I'll see if I find it and post it here.
EDIT:
Found it
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1058000/1058780_1288494524104.87res_348_425.jpg)
You mean, as you describe it, that it was photoshopped to make him look bad as in disrespect? Not in a funny prankish way?
Now, I remember seeing the pic put up. Thanks for finding it Anna. I respectfully disagree with you Tink, I absolutely think that is him screwing his face up. He's squeezing his nostrils, plumping his lips, popping his eyes, and arching his eyebrows. He's made similar silly faces lots of places. However he has used a strong overhead light to accentuate the shadows for dramatic effect.
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I know I've seen this picture before, and more than once, I guess on other MJ forums. Just not sure about the caption, don't remember if it had one.
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I knew someone had this in his/her signature and that I'd stumble upon it again sooner or later, and now I just did:
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/queilamichael7/michael%20jackson%20gifs/thtoungeMJ.gif)
If you look at this and compare, the other picture doesn't really look photoshopped anymore.
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I know it's been long. But damn, I'm even more curious now. I remember another photo of Michael where he is very amazed somehow, it's a closeup.
I'll see if I find it and post it here.
EDIT:
Found it
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1058000/1058780_1288494524104.87res_348_425.jpg)
You mean, as you describe it, that it was photoshopped to make him look bad as in disrespect? Not in a funny prankish way?
Now, I remember seeing the pic put up. Thanks for finding it Anna. I respectfully disagree with you Tink, I absolutely think that is him screwing his face up. He's squeezing his nostrils, plumping his lips, popping his eyes, and arching his eyebrows. He's made similar silly faces lots of places. However he has used a strong overhead light to accentuate the shadows for dramatic effect.
I suppose there will be as many opinions as in the double thread. But anyway. I know Photoshop since I was 10 and in this photo Michael is pulling out funny faces and the lens of the camera being very close to his face and above his height a bit is making him look a bit "unnatural"- i.e bigger eyes, short chin + himself pulling out a funny face. No woman there.
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In retrospective, I must say that mjhd (and everything earlier, around and after) was brilliantly ignited, set up and accompanied.
In fact, many of the mosaic pieces were placed pretty accurately to lead the way and the spaces in between were filled like "colour by number" with hints, informers, eye openers, provocations, sometimes anger and shock, sometimes with pure love.
I have been scrolling the archives and have to say: reviewing the old days is quite interesting from today's perspective (in addition as much information has vanished from the web since then).
This looking back has put a huge smile from east to west on my face.
The reporter Michael Jackson who had published about Joey Skaggs "Final Curtain" hoax in 1999.
The "Michael is dead" hoax by a radio station in December 2008.
The tabloid trash "Michael has 6 months to live".
This post from michaeljackson.com - one was asking what would we do if Michael died and another was this.. posted on March 17 2009.
'limits if exploitation happens to an artist you are fan of?'
I think that we as fans of Michael feel there are limits to what we allow to happen to the artist we
are fan of. When he get's wrongly accused we react. Like when the tabloids made wrong allegations
about his skin, fans made youtube films to explain the thruth. When the allegations of child abuse
came there were protest all around the world from those believing in his honesty.
But what if he would be to ill to perform while you have already payed. Let's say as a hypothetical
situation a similar sort of thing would happen to Michael now as happened to Elvis years ago.
So let's say, we as fans witnessed a pressconference of Michael's bodyguards on television saying
Michael is ill and that most of his money is gone. And because there are debts and contracts in which
Michael has obligated himself to do a concerttour, Michael feels he has to appear on stage although
that means he has to be filled with painkillers or other medicine. Although it is obvious to all people
present in the concerthall that he should be in his bed, nobody of the management decides to cancel
the show because of the financial consequenses. For those with no imagination to what it can look
like, watch the last liveshows of Elvis.
Would you as a fan then feel obligated to do anything about it? I mean do you think going on stage
filled with painkillers or other medicine is a price famous people have to pay? Or would you then be
willing to let Michael have the ticketmoney to make sure that he could take a rest but then still could
pay off the contractobligations?.
I for me think I would not have any problem with giving Michael my ticketmoney if a situation like
that apeared. I would not like to go to any show where a performer had to ignore his health in such a
matter he has to be filled up with painkillers or whatever pills because contracts say he should
appear.
The original link was: http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/content/limits-if-exploitation-happens-artist-you-are-fan (http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/content/limits-if-exploitation-happens-artist-you-are-fan) (now lost)
Similar news were said to have been spread on Spanish forums as well.
TMZ publishing a video of Michael followed by paparazzi on 06/09/2009 where he said he was doing good.
The ambulance picture EXIF data showing 12:08 pm as original time (12:21 pm 911 call).
scarecrow1958 October 26th, 2009 4:45 pm ET
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Remember those numbers when you watch TII…
scarecrow1958 October 26th, 2009 5:22 pm ET
I am a man who knows pain
I am a man who know pain too well
I some times sit and dwell on the past
The past always seem to last so long
I walk into the future and it's like a beautiful song
A song in my head
Thats always says
Please be strong
The light will soon come
The sun will soon be shining
And soon you all will be smiling
London, Nov 29 : Late
King of Pop Michael Jackson was reportedly planning to head back to the classroom to become a qualified art historian after his daughter Paris begged him to follow his dream of studying.
Submitted by Jatin Malhotra on Sun, 11/29/2009
Amy stating:
Whether you personally believe Michael Jackson is dead or alive, the facts and analysis of these facts below are undeniable. We have not fabricated any of these facts, we have merely pointed out the obvious, and have collaborated all of the information that has already been fed to us by the media.
“The Truth is like the Sun, You can shut it out for a time, but it ain’t goin’ away”
Elvis Presley
Arnie's tweets about the Matisse artwork (Amy picking up on this as well as on Dame Elizabeth's answer to Arnie):
14. To the Media - Let Michael rest in peace and let
his family and friends grieve in peace. If for no
other reason, do it for his children.9:36 AM Jun
29th from web
15. I am deeply saddened by the death of my dear
friend Michael Jackson. He truly was a gifted soul
who had boundless love for all.9:26 AM Jun 29th
from web
16. It was an honor to have known Farrah Fawcett a
vision and a visionary, a true Angel who will be
missed around the world. 3 kisses my darling10:45
AM Jun 25th from web
17. Today, the world is a little less beautiful. We say
goodbye to the lovely Farrah Fawcett.10:15 AM
Jun 25th from web
18. @dameelizabeth With your violet eyes how much
I love you, your smile lights up the room and you
shimmer like the most brilliant diamond5:45 PM
Jun 24th from web
19. @janefonda My dearest, how are you doing? Its
been awhile! Love and hugz - Arnie Klein! Follow
me!5:41 PM Jun 24th from web
20. @MariaShriver Words cannot thank you enough
for funding the doors at the Cathedral of Our Lady
of the Angels by the late Robert Graham.12:19
PM Jun 24th from web
21. @lauren_bacall My beautiful darling, how are you
doing? So wonderful to see you on Twitter!
Follow me... Big Hugs, Arnie Klein11:34 AM Jun
24th from web
22. Working away... My patients are my treasures.
Like fine artwork, each one has beauty and
character12:12 PM Jun 23rd from web
23. Remember, as I have always said, "its not just
enough to do no harm, one must do good!"
www.drarnoldklein.com12:06 (http://www.drarnoldklein.com12:06) PM Jun 23rd from
web
24. My Darling Dame Elizabeth, you are the most
beautiful voice of our generation no one is more
deserving of a matisse. You are my only hero!4:56
PM Jun 22nd from web
25. Had a wonderful evening with Dame Elizabeth.
Amazing how much one person can do for AIDS
research in Africa. Thank you, Elizabeth.10:17
AM Jun 19th from web
26. Still wondering how the FDA can ignore the
presence of altered data in a leading medical
journal. People have died.1:07 PM Jun 18th from
web
27. Still wondering how an article claiming that the
dilution ratio for Botox "doesn't matter" can be
published in a leading medical journal?1:03 PM
Jun 18th from web
28. Was sent a link to TMZ. Ridiculous. The
paparazzi needs to stay away from my patients.
Period.1:01 PM Jun 18th from web
29. Oh, and trying to find Carrie Fisher. Where are
you?5:40 PM Jun 17th from web
30. Spoke with Frank Gehry about rebuilding the
beach house and hoping my darling Elizabeth is
enjoying her Matisse.5:40 PM Jun 17th from web
31. Research, research, research.5:05 PM Jun 17th
from web
Michael's "Invincible" eye on the Houston billboard at Shell plaza - watching.
The rumours of "body donation".
There was also an Amy in Hollywood selling wigs to celebs.
The whois of mjhd was changed almost on a daily basis in its late days - from Downunder to Cali, changing imaginary data.
Last but not least: mjhd was spotted on google mentioning June 23, 2009.
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The June 23rd 2009 Google cache date resulted from the pic that was on the home page captioned "6/23/2009 MJ's last rehearsal". Google does this a lot, I have noticed, if there is a date listed with the entry, it is a result of text on the page, not the date the page originated. You can see this happen with news articles because they include the date of the article near the title in the text, but it also happens with any page that comes up as a search result if there is a date on the page near the title. It took me a long time to understand how that process worked.
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GraceIn retrospective, I must say that mjhd (and everything earlier, around and after) was brilliantly ignited, set up and accompanied.In fact, many of the mosaic pieces were placed pretty accurately to lead the way and the spaces in between were filled like "colour by number" with hints, informers, eye openers, provocations, sometimes anger and shock, sometimes with pure love.
Thanks Grace, for those nostalgic finds! Post more if you feel inclined please!
Yes, in retrospect I'm convinced that much of what we thought was random chaos was all choreographed. Michael said something like, "Oh, I'm very hands on with every aspect...It's got to be just right." Teddy Riley, "Michael lives for controversy."
All I can say to you Michael is, /bravo/ !
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grace, have said it to you before but will say it again. i love and appreciate your posts always. they are constantly filled with subtance!
thank you for this post.
respect/
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Yep - the archives from 2009 have some great stuff to search.
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Adi, I think thats the real pic. Its Mj fooling around with Brett Batner
(http://i44.tinypic.com/25akqdl.jpg)
I found it here http://www.myspace.com/michaeljackson/photos/67924817/tagged#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A67924817%7D
But I clearly remember seeing it full size without a heart frame :) just couldn't find it.
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ah, we have some great detectives on this forum!
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I feel honored, Australian MJ BeLIEver!
Glad I could help
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@JT
I'm pretty sure that was the pic of MJ which popped up that day when "John" with the 3 kids from LA was meant to get the Forum back on-line back in 2009. Brett Ratner was cut out and it was just MJ in the pic.
8-)
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As to the "spotted on google", there is also a screenshot mentioning June 22. It would be interesting if somebody remembered a subject discussed on mjhd referring to that date - especially because the search term was "michaeljacksondeathhoax.com" and 8 references to mjhd popped up.
Not in any order - just snippets from here and there:
Post from BACK - 1 March 2008 -
Drama shall soon be met with that Glorious shield of silence, while simultaneously being FOREVER replaced by that "square" of thunder, just
around the corner. A man who believes such as I, that this World can indeed Change, shall make HiStory in this new Year 2008.
The Beginning of the theOrY---until the End....
That timE has come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep WATCHIN'.....................
MJ message via his official website just after he announced the O2 concert
"THE TIME HAS COME
THE TIME HAS COME
THE TIME HAS COME
IT IS NOW I SEE AND FEEL THAT CALLING ONCE AGAIN TO BE PART OF A MUSIS THAT WILL NOT JUST CONNECT BUT, MAKE ALL FEEL ONE, ONE IN
JOY, ONE IN PAIN, ONE IN LOVE, ONE IN SERVICE AND ONE IN CONSCIOUSNESS
~MICHAEL JACKSON"
posted by TheRunningGirl Tue Nov 02, 2010 in the old Back thread.
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look who is BACK
By jesse p.. Posted September 12 2010 at 2:14 AM.
In the News of the World article about
"I could have saved Michael
Jackson"
Killing case doc has get-out-of-jail card
SAD: Star's body is taken away
By James Desborough, 12/09/2010
THE doc accused of killing Michael Jackson claims he could have
saved the star - but was DENIED a life- saving heart machine.
Name clearing time in many, many aspects, e.g. Ray Chandler subpoena
http://mjthekingofpop.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/ray-chandler%E2%80%99s-subpoena-scared-to-death-by-the-need-to-prove-his-lies-in-court/ (http://mjthekingofpop.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/ray-chandler%E2%80%99s-subpoena-scared-to-death-by-the-need-to-prove-his-lies-in-court/)
And then we found also this in the web:
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grace, for the benefit of those who were not 'on target' re DH back in 2009 even into 2010, can you please explaing the surrounding circumstances and why the last three pics are significant.
please excuse my ignorance.
human nature? significance of this find?
comeback pic? where was it posted and possibly by whom?
backs universe, i know it is his signature, but this is a video? what was the video? content? where posted? and allegedly by whom?
sorry if i am being annoying.
damn i ONLY WISH i had my eyes open in 2009 and was on board with everything way back then instead of only 5 mths ago! instead i was absorbed in the last two months of a very fragile pregnancy and then when she was born, was immersed with the stresses of having an ill infant - but i must say that i count my blessings she is here and now in perfect health. (we both are)
but yeah, if you could please enlighten me, i'd appreciate it so much as i am loving this thread...
btw - i love how MJ has his own HIStory, which now includes DH... and then DH has its own History - the spin off sites, the blogs, the tweets, the fan sites, this forum, other hoax forums, the trouble, the trials, the discoveries, the joys, the trolls, the ups and downs all play a part...
so grateful to be a part of it finally!
bearhug
cheers.
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Hi dear GRACE!@@
Obviously- you are one of the greatest contributer to the hoax researches!
Two tumbs up!
And yeas, i remember that info about ip date from mjhd cause its create quiet a storm there - but no conclusion has been made.
I recall also rumors that Amy was resided in Australia@??@ but we all was more into the shock by that time because NEW info popping ap every other day - by No Coincidence! - LKL blog on CNN along wtih differ hoax-informers/feeders there, LKL almost daily talk wth Family & MJ ppl on his show - Very Controversial info from FL, autopsy and awaiting of burial, analysis of death photo and ambo video feed, two choppers and coroner ppl anouncement/e-mails/interviews, and so on - THAT WAS A STORM!!
NO one really understood how 2 pull all that info together - but AMY did a good job until her identity was put on Qs - i believe DELIBERATLY bt dont recall by who.
May b SOUZ@ have better recollection since she is traking all that staff frm the Beginning.
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BTW - that quote from MJ after TII London anouncement is new to me - and MAKE SO MUCH SENSE NOW!@@
Mb that also send us back to the Front advice - EXAM THE PAST WTH SCRUTINY In order to understand MJ and all hoax now.
@AustralianBeliever! God blessings to you and your baby- u are such wonderful soul and i always injoy ur input - they all is full of warm feeling and such refreshing sence
of reality!@@
I LOVE U ALL DEAR FAMILY
bearhug
- It Is Such Privilege to meet you all through that journey!@
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The "green light" element has popped up several times (not to forget green man like a light bulb in WATW25) - we thought it was interesting that the green spot in the HN video ressembled Back's signiture - which played a role again in the "OK" video. The video series on this YT channel is interesting for sure.
The michaeljacksonback.com (fan created?) domain showed that comeback announcement for 2010 and had been set up years ago. Today's information is not accurate - it was not created in Sept 2011 (maybe sold in 2011). If you look here, you'll find a screenshot of the old main page:
http://whois.domaintools.com/michaeljacksonback.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/michaeljacksonback.com)
There's this video about the old domain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=DRX1M1y_wSQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=DRX1M1y_wSQ)
This is the site with "copyright 2009" as archived on May 11, 2011 - obviously a fan / believer / kind of "have seen him / find him" site:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110511155455/http://www.michaeljacksonback.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20110201110432/http://michaeljacksonback.com/)
archived on Oct 15, 2010:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015045059/http://michaeljacksonback.com/proofs/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20101015045059/http://michaeljacksonback.com/proofs/)
In fact, the domain shows on this list of expired/for sale domains on 8/16/2011:
http://www.prtag.com/expired-domains-archive_W0yZZ2011QQmZZ8QQdZZ16QQsZZ4QQpZZ7.htm (http://www.prtag.com/expired-domains-archive_W0yZZ2011QQmZZ8QQdZZ16QQsZZ4QQpZZ7.htm)
Even if this site (like many others) might have been set up some years ago by a fan who was so much waiting for a comeback, it was nice to see it after 2009 being an expression of faith then that had settled in one of the shoes walking for MJ. MJ inspired those creators to discover their own talents and try to do something they hadn't done or dreamed about before. All kinds of "michaelish" inventors of art, performance and creativity popped up out of nowhere. Those hundreds, maybe thousands of videos on YT about Michael - in which shadows where those artistic minds hidden before?
There's a whole lot of negativity also out there in the web but this is nothing compared to the brilliant fireworks of believing in one self and giving a deeper look, a selfmade blog, a selfmade video, a selfmade tribute song, a cover, a contribution, a dance flash mob a try and JUST DO IT.
In discovering the how (even by sometimes only scratching the "how to") people learned much about themselves and others and grew into formerly unknown "I really did it - was this really me?".
This is making people strong: doing it on their own and experiencing their possibilities and thus widening their horizons. My deep respect for Michael is growing every day that I am witnessing the variety of talents that he prepared the soil for and allowed and encouraged to shine.
Right from the beginning, the hoaxers existed - internally or externally driven:
http://newsflavor.com/entertainment/is-michael-jackson-really-dead/ (http://newsflavor.com/entertainment/is-michael-jackson-really-dead/)
(as always, the comments make the flavour ;-))
As of 2010, dedicated companions were out there in the wilderness (and so many wannabees LOL).
This is one of the comments of *Michael...L.O.V.E.* on September 8th, 2010 12:37 am ET on LKL blog that was transformed into a chatroom whenever an MJ article was out.
*Michael...L.O.V.E.* August 31st, 2010 10:54 pm ET
Thank you all for your love and support and for the birthday wishes. I had a great birthday. It make my heart sad when I see this kind of discord on the blog. It's all for love...L.O.V.E. Always remember that. For those who understand my message...again from the abyss of my soul I say thank you and I love you. You have to know. Some people only believe in what they can see but faith is believing what you can't see. Keep the faith. Tick Tock Tick Tock
I love you all. I really do. It's all for love...L.O.V.E.
http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/23/doctor-charged-in-michael-jacksons-death-returns-to-court/ (http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/23/doctor-charged-in-michael-jacksons-death-returns-to-court/)
Check out the LKL blog archives 2009/2010 (at right)(http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/category/michael-jackson/ (http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/category/michael-jackson/)) You will not find the threads or parts of it on google. You have to go to LKL and read there.
My respect not only goes to *Michael...L.O.V.E.* who spent long months to bring hope and light to desperate non-believers around the globe, my respect goes as well to those sticking around LKL blog. The chatters did give him fire as well, the hut would burn at times. It was truely amazing. Imposters were deleted - this was remarkable. If he was a faker himself or an employee of CNN - he spread good vibes and was a light.
There were several occasions since 2009 when travellers would join groups / boards of fans to accompany them and give them some keys where to go and what to look into.
Blessings.
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grace, thank you for taking the time to break it down for me. makes total sence. i apprecaite it grately. so again, thank you very much.
skyways, thank you for your lovely. very kind and upbuilding to hear things like this. i was starting to doubt the way i was being percieved and recieved here, because of the nasty things a forum member/s are saying abt me on the filthy MJDH blog. however you and many others have PMd me to give their support or said nice things to me in posts, which made me feel that it is only a minority who have their nose out of joint with my contributions.
so yeah, what you have said to me means more than you can imagine. so again, thank you very much
bearhug
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Thank YOU dear Australian!
Please- DONT GIVE UP!
Michaels ART is much bigger than any negativity and his new hoaxing just brink out all multy-dementional layers of consciousness and awakening to everyone who grew enough to accepted wider horizon than narrow self-implication.
LOVE IS THE MESSAGE! - the only source and reason to b here for us all.
BLESSINGS TO ALL - and lets continue spread THE MESSAGE!@
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It was me that posted the billboard pic of "Invincible's" eye. I was just shocked how I didn't notice that billboard before June 25, 2009. It looks like the album cover but I don't think it's the actual pic. I contacted an architect forum asking about it and the forum manager said it was an art project in downtown Houston. The eye is pixilized. This one was called a mosaic. The city placed various art images on the back of street signs. Oh and btw, the Shell company has nothing to do with it because they are placed on every other block in downtown Houston
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/100_0960.jpg)
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Hi Shamone, right, it was you in August 2009, who put this on mjhd. Txs again and txs for your additional information. We also saw a photo with the year 2006 on it. It was pepper who mentioned that the billboard is sitting on Mc Kinney St only 2 min. from Murray's lawyers' address on Preston St. On googlemaps the billboard is still present. I agree, the fact that the billboard is located at Shell Plaza probably does not mean too much. We came back to it in the context of the gulf spill, Shell, Halliburton and the dynasties' felt.
I don't think, however, it is any koinkidance that Doc Murray was given the addresses of Las Vegas and Houston.
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Nothing is by coincidence in this hoax and the investigators here did prove it again /bravo/ Striking researches.
@Grace: thank you for reminding me about the LKL blogs with interesting comments: http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/25/breaking-jackson-family-files-suit-against-dr-conrad-murray/#comments
L.O.V.E.
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from Jermaine: "Yes! There's no such thing as a coincidence ;)" Twitter link: http://twitter.com/#!/jermjackson5
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I'd like to THANK @Bec, Grace, Adi for all their effort to re-construct with their memories, the beginnings of this forum!
It's very interesting!! ;)
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look who is BACK
By jesse p.. Posted September 12 2010 at 2:14 AM.
In the News of the World article about
lol Jesse? jesse WHO? jesse p.? like in Jesse Presley? loll
Grace... like in Graceland.... lol I think MjonMind just inspired me to play with words tonight! lol :lol: "you were always OnMyMind" ::P ::P :lol:
Now, seriously, @Grace can you tell me more about the comment above ^^? I didn't quite understand how you found it and what is it about it.... can that "jesse p." signature be just a coincidence?
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look who is BACK
By jesse p.. Posted September 12 2010 at 2:14 AM.
In the News of the World article about
"I could have saved Michael
Jackson"
Killing case doc has get-out-of-jail card
SAD: Star's body is taken away
By James Desborough, 12/09/2010
THE doc accused of killing Michael Jackson claims he could have
saved the star - but was DENIED a life- saving heart machine.
As NotW was shut down, the article is gone but this was what it looked like - notice the capitalized words
SAD
THE
DENIED
US
ACCUSED
AEG
DEADLY
MISTAKE
BACK
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aha ok! Now I understand where that quote was coming from...
Thank you Grace! Love you bearhug
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look who is BACK
By jesse p.. Posted September 12 2010 at 2:14 AM.
what the hell OMG! who is jesse p... elvis_/ afraid/