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Title: TIAI January 7
Post by: _Anna_ on January 07, 2012, 01:12:18 AM
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Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: curls on January 07, 2012, 01:29:49 AM
So here we have TS redirecting to a picture that Front used in his 31st Dec post:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381542#msg381542

Front wrote:

Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, which was no easy feat. But through guidance & strength from God--- and an "army" (of L.O.V.E.) whose faith remained strong despite the fears and unknowns--- they crossed the Red Sea as "east winds" (whispers) were deLIVEred to divide the waters and create a pathway for them to walk upon.

They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it…but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it…..but they got what they needed, when they needed it.


Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"……..

God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.

The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).




Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: msgitm on January 07, 2012, 01:51:21 AM
This is an ancient map but it looks like the Strait of Hormuz is circled. I just read in the news that Iran is closing this waterway (no oil shipping) in retaliation to the sanctions against their country. Lots to do with Iran in Illuminati plans, and Iran is not the bad guy by the sounds of things.  But... who the heck knows?
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 07, 2012, 02:04:41 AM
Any idea why we are subject to a plague considering story says that god sent the plagues to Egypt to convince the Pharaoh to free the Israelites?
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The reason for the plagues appears to be twofold:[22] to answer Pharaoh's taunt, “Who is Yahweh, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go?”[23] and to indelibly impress the Israelites with Yahweh's power as an object lesson for all time, which was also meant to become known “throughout the world”.[24][25]

According to the Torah, God hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would be strong enough to persist in his unwillingness to release the people, so that God could manifest his great power and cause it to be declared among the nations,[26] so that other people would discuss it for generations afterward.[27] In this view, the plagues were punishment for the Egyptians' long abuse of the Israelites, as well as proof that the gods of Egypt were powerless by comparison.[28] If God triumphed over the gods of Egypt, a world power at that time, then the people of God would be strengthened in their faith, although they were a small people, and would not be tempted to follow the deities that God put to shame. Exodus portrays Yahweh explaining why he did not accomplish the freedom of the Israelites immediately:
“    I could have stretched forth My hand and stricken you [Pharaoh] and your people with pestilence, and you would have been effaced from the earth. Nevertheless I have spared you for this purpose: in order to show you My power and in order that My fame may resound throughout the world.    ”
     
— Exodus 9:15-16 (JPS)
Bolded portion is interesting. Sneaky move there, god.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: MJonmind on January 07, 2012, 02:21:14 AM
Front
There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. 


TS
We have only a few days left (until 11-29), but 7b and 7c should fall into place rather quickly—especially since I will be handing much of it out on a silver platter. 

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Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"……..God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.


Bec, I would say that Egypt represents the world-- unaware/indifferent to MJ's hoax and calling (in darkness), we are the Israelites feasting on manna from TS/Front which is just enough for our needs but not more.  MJ is like Moses our leader.  The land flowing with milk and honey is Bam, MJ's return and his changing/healing the planet.  In a sense, Moses and the Israelites, or MJ and all of us beLIEvers crossed through the Red Sea on June 25, 2009.

Where it talks about God hardening Pharoah's heart, this is one of many places in the Bible showing there is no free will, but instead God moves people as he chooses, to create the story of history, and it occurs also in Revelation 17:18. 
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:17&version=ASV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:17&version=ASV) Apostle Paul talks about God hardening of all the Jew's hearts so that all the Gentiles will come to faith.  If God moves the pawns about, why accuse people of being villains or heroes?  They are mere actors on a stage.  God converted Paul in an instant when he shone a bright light on him.  Free will is an illusion, that only seems very real. JMO
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: RK on January 07, 2012, 02:23:12 AM
This redirect  is a map from Ron Wyatt who made claims to have found the location of the Red Sea crossing and the location of the Ark of the Covenant as well as other biblical archeological discoveries.

Here's the link to the site about the DVD of discoveries.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm (http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm)
 Wadi Watir had the Children of Israel "entangled."   Exit point at the large beach at Nuweiba   (2005)

When traveling through "the wilderness of the Red Sea" Ex.13:18, escaping Pharaoh's army, God told Moses to turn south, so they headed through a wadi or canyon area that is called the Wadi Watir which led to the sea.  The Bible in Ex. 14:3 says, "They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in." 


When arriving at the beach, the children of Israel felt trapped, as they could not turn back, nor head north because at the northern end of the beach was a three story, Egyptian military fortress which is still standing today undergoing restoration.

ON TO THE REAL MT. SINAI....

Ron Wyatt's Research on the Exodus to the Red Sea

 This exact map with the Gulf of Aqaba as the crossing point is listed on the page link when you scroll down
 

 
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 07, 2012, 02:25:41 AM
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Front
There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. 


TS
We have only a few days left (until 11-29), but 7b and 7c should fall into place rather quickly—especially since I will be handing much of it out on a silver platter. 

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5c1FdFOXV64yjTH3FpmgsevRagk-DPKTu658WuT8uPCVM1_VSIw)
Good catch MJonmind. Really good catch.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: MJonmind on January 07, 2012, 03:35:45 AM
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This redirect  is a map from Ron Wyatt who made claims to have found the location of the Red Sea crossing and the location of the Ark of the Covenant as well as other biblical archeological discoveries.

Here's the link to the site about the DVD of discoveries.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm (http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm)
 Wadi Watir had the Children of Israel "entangled."   Exit point at the large beach at Nuweiba   (2005)

When traveling through "the wilderness of the Red Sea" Ex.13:18, escaping Pharaoh's army, God told Moses to turn south, so they headed through a wadi or canyon area that is called the Wadi Watir which led to the sea.  The Bible in Ex. 14:3 says, "They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in." 


When arriving at the beach, the children of Israel felt trapped, as they could not turn back, nor head north because at the northern end of the beach was a three story, Egyptian military fortress which is still standing today undergoing restoration.

ON TO THE REAL MT. SINAI....

Ron Wyatt's Research on the Exodus to the Red Sea

 This exact map with the Gulf of Aqaba as the crossing point is listed on the page link when you scroll down



Good find!


Just scouting around, and found this long article going into a lot of detail, which mentions Ron Wyatts location, but thinks there is more evidence for the Israelite crossing at the Straits of Turan at the southern tip, because there are better natural land bridges. 
Water off Nuweiba on the slight land bridge is 765 meters deep, and water at Turan bridge is only 205 meters.
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However what Ron Wyatt and his team did get right (in our opinion and in the opinion of St. Paul and in the opinion therefore of the Holy Spirit and of God) is that he believed that Mount Sinai was in Saudi Arabia rather than being in the incorrectly named wilderness of Sinai. He and his sons went to Jabal al Lawz (the mountain of the Law) to see what they could find. Before they could find anything they were promptly arrested and spent 78 days behind bars! Apparently someone had phoned the embassy authorities in Saudi Arabia and told them that Ron and his party were spying for Israel! Perhaps they got a bit too close to the truth? It is quite possible that the artifacts Wyatt and others have found in the Nuweiba beach area, further up the gulf, are actually remains of an Egyptian army which crossed Red Sea at the mouth of the gulf. This is because the force of the powerful surge of water which returned when the wind died, could certainly have carried Pharaoh and his army quite a way up the gulf, and then over time, who knows where they may have been carried. But we do not that the land bridge at Baal Zephon would prevent them ever leaving the gulf. So they are in there somewhere!! The best place to search for them would appear to be just north of the strait of Tiran. As a final technical point, the narrow trench between the beach where the sons of Israel encamped (which is now Sharm Al Sheik's airport) and Baal Zephon, is today around 800 meters wide at over 75 meters depth. But the trench has a huge volume of water, that of the whole tide of the gulf moving through it in both directions on a daily basis. This presently eats away at the depth of the trench which increases by 15 -16 mm per year www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/3021/resea9.html (http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/3021/resea9.html) .3500 years of this gives us around 50 meters of erosion. But when the trench was smaller, it would have been eroded faster, because the waters of the gulf would have had to have passed through a smaller channel. So the erosion is less today than it was 3500 years ago. It is not hard to see that the max depth of the land bridge may only have been between 50 or 100 meters in 1513 BC rather than the 205 meters that it is today.


(http://www.truebiblecode.com/resources/p2strait%20of%20tiran%20satellite2.jpg) 




(http://www.truebiblecode.com/resources/p9coralreefs.jpg)


http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding249.html (http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding249.html) 
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: applehead250609 on January 07, 2012, 03:39:19 AM
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So here we have TS redirecting to a picture that Front used in his 31st Dec post:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381542#msg381542

Front wrote:

Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, which was no easy feat. But through guidance & strength from God--- and an "army" (of L.O.V.E.) whose faith remained strong despite the fears and unknowns--- they crossed the Red Sea as "east winds" (whispers) were deLIVEred to divide the waters and create a pathway for them to walk upon.

They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it…but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it…..but they got what they needed, when they needed it.


Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"……..

God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.

The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).


(http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens4095382module27805772photo_1240028734redsea_exodus_route.jpg)

Thanks Curls  :) !!!
Front's post is very LIGHTing in all this DARK-M-ess ,lol   :lol: but I prefer to "stick" at this:


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"If you're not a religious person…it matters not!
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If you're not, then have faith in Michael. "

 albino/
http://www.exodusconspiracy.com./ (http://www.exodusconspiracy.com./)
Pt1-The Exodus Conspiracy-Upcoming Motion Picture
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm08LbDSvGU&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

Pt2-The Exodus Conspiracy-Upcoming Motion Picture
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Ge0cf_7GM&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

Pt3-The Exodus Conspiracy-Upcoming Motion Picture
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgBuCTawnuA&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: loyalfan on January 07, 2012, 03:59:11 AM
this scares me...........not least because of something i read/saw on the internet,cant remember where.
it said that  a biological war will kill many ....in 2012...and that govements will retaliate.and blame each other.which is what is intended...........as a diversion because it part of the plan to reduce world population .......................omg..............
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Aidan_81 on January 07, 2012, 04:15:53 AM
There should be war {even several wars} in 2012,  even those who follow world news
know they will be on. They are almost on. Don't think politicians gonna hold back for a year!
And who knows what type of weapon will be used, we can expect all kinds of meanness
from them  :| It won't be very peaceful year, but so was 2011 and 2010 and so on. War never stops.
 :cry:

oops, going off-topic. Sorry.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: MaryK on January 07, 2012, 04:31:48 AM
Ron Wyatt....again.... suspicious//
We came across him while discussing about the Ark of the Covenant.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 07, 2012, 05:18:10 AM
warning, this is a super LONG post, I apologise in advance. but thought it better to do this, than repeat posts...


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According to the Torah, God hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would be strong enough to persist in his unwillingness to release the people, so that God could manifest his great power and cause it to be declared among the nations,[26] so that other people would discuss it for generations afterward.

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Sneaky move there, god.

pharaoh was already stubborn and obstenant against letting gods people go to worship him in the wilderness. god made pharoahs heart non responsive after several failed attempts at getting pharaoh to agree to let the israelites have 4 days in the wildreness to worship and then return to egypt as slaves. god kept pharaoh in that "place of obstenance" to teach him the lesson of humility...  pharaoh's thought of themselves as gods, god proved a point. yes, i guess could be percieved as sneaky. i see it as proving to pharoah who of them is the higher power as well as teaching him humility, because the events or plagues that happened in egypt would be told to many surrounding countries. yaweh or the god of the israelites ensured that all would know who would win this battle and made a lesson out of pharaoh.



@ MJONMIND. i have to politely disagree with you. though i do respect you have your opinion. imho, i think we are all free moral agents with free will. god is love as we have both learned in the bible. so it would be cruel to set people up. uzzah, who touched the ark and was struck down by god, adam and eve, judas iscariot, many many others incl. pharaoh had free will. they chose to use their free will to work against divine purpose / or god. god then unleashed the consequences upon these individuals.

yahweh / god has dignified the human race with the opportunity to exercise free will. god does not force us to obey him.. moses says "I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad. (deuteronomy.30:15) the bible teaches that humans have a choice. either to worship god with blessings in view, or w ecan choose to disobey him and suffer the consequences. (again, here not judging anyone who doesnt believe in god. im writing this to the god believers here. so pls dont take offence anyone  /white flag/)

either way the choice is ours as indicated by continuing to look at deuteronomy.30:16-18 "if you will listen to the commandments of yahweh your god, which i am commanding you today, so as to love your god, to walk in his ways and keep commandments and his statutes and his judicial decisions, then you are bound to keep alive and to multiply and yaweh your god must bless you in the land that you are going to take possession of. but if your heart turns away and you to not listen and you are actually seduced and bow down to other gods and serve them, i do tell you today that you will possitively perish. you will not lengthen your days on the ground to which you are crossing the jordan to take possession of it."

this is also further emphasised in galatians.6:7,8 which states "what a man is sowing, this he shall also reap. he who is sowing with a view to the flesh will reap corruption in the flesh, but he that is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the sspirit"

imho the doctrine of predestination suggests that god is cold, devoid of heart, feeling or compassion. but nothing could be further from the truth. the notion of predestination / fate also undermines two of gods qualities mentioned in the bible "justice and love" - 1 john 4:8

this is just what i have learned from the bible and feel comfortable with. not saying that you are wrong and i am right. but this is what i feel l most comfortable with and wish to share with others.


 respect/ you heaps for your love for god and the bible.


@ ANYONE... here is an interesting one for you... let me know your thoughts. it was mentioned by FRONT:

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They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it…but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it…..but they got what they needed, when they needed it.

it is interesting to note that the israelites were supposed to recieve the land of milk and honey right after leaving egypt. they were only supposed to be in the wilderness for however they disobeyed god, made a false god (the golden calf) and broke his law by giving worship to an idol. because of this and many repeat offences by the israelites god sentenced them to serve 40 years. a day for each year that they were supposed to be there they were sentenced to the desolate hot wilderness to exist on manna. yes they did get their milk and honey later when they crossed the jordan with joshua as their leader, but they could have had it sooner. they 'extended their own stay' so to speak....


now this makes me think... if the proverbial land of milk and honey is bam... and we are the israelites, and MJ is moses leading us to bam... we what happens if our 'stay' in the "wilderness", which is this time of "unknowns and darnkess" - is extended because of the israelites or "us."

i say this as i recall (and bec you will remember us discussing this previously) that TS mentioned that the "when" of bam may be partially dependant on believers....


here is TS's quote to which i am refering, which is TIAI Level 1:7


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Why Would the “Return” Depend on Hoaxers?

Several have asked: why would the timing of the MJ return be dependent (at least partly) upon few thousand hoax believers, and their understanding/accepting the TIAI information?  A simple answer is that the reaction of the few before the return, can be a pretty good indicator of the reaction of the many after the return
{http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1991}.

But think about it.  After returning, MJ can speak publicly about the environment and other issues related to healing the world; but with some aspects, well I think you can figure things out.  As soon as MJ returns, there will be a stampede on all the hoax forums; there will be tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, suddenly interested in what we have been investigating and saying all along.  So if we hoax believers now are united on the reasons for the hoax: it will be much more effective when others come asking questions, than if we are all confused and disagreeing on the reasons for the hoax.

Here is how Mo put it: “It's a process to make people AWARE of what is going on. If you don't research, read, learn and understand, you won't become aware. If S.T.U.D.Y., TS or any Anonymous poster would have told you plain out who he/she is and where all the info he/she has came from, you would not have read the full explanation and wouldn't have learned anything.  TIAI pointed out to conspiracies and NWO, and those issues were rejected by a lot of people until TIAI pointed out to them. Me? Guilty as charged... I skipped the ‘Illuminati’ threads as well until TIAI forced me to look into this whole issue. After researching it, and not reading up on the conspiracies and NWO only, a lot of things became clear to me.” {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1936&start=75}

So if there are any questions or objections that I have not addressed in this thread, please post them in the replies below; and I will answer them directly right here in the replies (I will watch this thread pretty closely, for the next week or two, and respond to things as needed—so as to help clear the way as far as possible for a speedy “Return”).




Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: diggyon on January 07, 2012, 06:41:40 AM
@Australian MJ  BeLIEver,

another great post. Thank you very much for this information you provided us with.
i also think that we have the freedom to choose the way we are following, otherwise judgement day would be meanless. You can't choose our parents, we can't choose our nationalities, we can't choose to be wealthy or poor, we can' choose our race. But we have the full freedom to choose whom to follow and how to think.

 

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: fordtocarr on January 07, 2012, 07:20:52 AM
I have a question about TS.  I remember when we began here originally in the forum and S.T.U.D.Y. appeared.  There was research done and didn't we decide whoever it was seemed to be a "preacher" with the name Tim S  something?  Then once we began talking about that, he stopped the semi religious talk, and we got down to serious investigating business.  Then the name changed...who knows if it's the same person or not..as Study, back, front, ts or ts_comments, tiai....  but, he's back to the religious stuff.  True purpose is coming back.  I waited a long time, but I knew it would.
I really miss hearing and learning about Michael.  I get the religion elsewhere.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 07, 2012, 07:25:52 AM
All of these are fantastic links to do with this re-direct

http://vimeo.com/33439742 (http://vimeo.com/33439742)

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/index2.htm

http://www.youtube.com/sygnate
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: applehead250609 on January 07, 2012, 07:39:05 AM
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I have a question about TS.  I remember when we began here originally in the forum and S.T.U.D.Y. appeared.  There was research done and didn't we decide whoever it was seemed to be a "preacher" with the name Tim S  something?  Then once we began talking about that, he stopped the semi religious talk, and we got down to serious investigating business.  Then the name changed...who knows if it's the same person or not..as Study, back, front, ts or ts_comments, tiai....  but, he's back to the religious stuff.  True purpose is coming back.  I waited a long time, but I knew it would.
I really miss hearing and learning about Michael.  I get the religion elsewhere.

Good point  /bravo/ , you have my respect  respect/ and ofcourse my hug bearhug ,it's very good to see you BACK  :)  !!!!!
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: fordtocarr on January 07, 2012, 07:43:56 AM
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I have a question about TS.  I remember when we began here originally in the forum and S.T.U.D.Y. appeared.  There was research done and didn't we decide whoever it was seemed to be a "preacher" with the name Tim S  something?  Then once we began talking about that, he stopped the semi religious talk, and we got down to serious investigating business.  Then the name changed...who knows if it's the same person or not..as Study, back, front, ts or ts_comments, tiai....  but, he's back to the religious stuff.  True purpose is coming back.  I waited a long time, but I knew it would.
I really miss hearing and learning about Michael.  I get the religion elsewhere.

Good point  /bravo/ , you have my respect  respect/ and ofcourse my hug bearhug ,it's very good to see you BACK  :)  !!!!!

Darlin' I'll never leave you all...I'll always be popping in and out.  But, I just have nothing along the lines that almost all the threads have gone, to contribute to.  (I'm thankful that others DO post my thoughts in my place though)
Michael is alive whether he returns or not.  I just have TOTALLY different feelings about all of this than most others on here.
LOVE to you too Applehead!!  and big hug back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: applehead250609 on January 07, 2012, 07:48:54 AM
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All of these are fantastic links to do with this re-direct

http://vimeo.com/33439742 (http://vimeo.com/33439742)

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/index2.htm

http://www.youtube.com/sygnate

OMG I'm "CRACKING" here  :mrgreen: !!!!! Those links really are FANtastic  :mrgreen: ,but can I ask in which "way"???? In the common way or the metaphoric way  :?  /cook/  albino/  :)  ????
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 07, 2012, 08:01:42 AM
ford - i am sooooo glad you are back. was just thinking of you today.

Love to you sister x
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Adi on January 07, 2012, 08:12:24 AM
This may seem simplistic - but might this redirect be about TS showing us another connection to Front perhaps, rather than having us delve into another complex analysis/interpretation of the religious aspects?
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: RK on January 07, 2012, 08:23:21 AM
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All of these are fantastic links to do with this re-direct

http://vimeo.com/33439742 (http://vimeo.com/33439742)

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/index2.htm

http://www.youtube.com/sygnate
Thanks 2good2btrue......I watched Michael Rood talk about his time with Ron Wyatt. I liked his statement that afterwards, he went back and read all the anti-Wyatt info on the net and  he knew that the people writing this had no first hand information and were only spreading what they had heard. I liked his take on the system also.....the religious system....where you come in and pay your 10% tax I mean tithe and you sit down, shut up and don't ask any difficult questions.

Really interesting piece of trivia mentioned was that Ron Wyatt's real job was as a nurse anesthesiologist  and he was an amateur archeologist
Thanks for the link
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: fordtocarr on January 07, 2012, 08:34:39 AM
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ford - i am sooooo glad you are back. was just thinking of you today.

Love to you sister x
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ford - i am sooooo glad you are back. was just thinking of you today.

Love to you sister x
Love to you too Sister...and you have an amazing mind and a wonderful way of presenting the truth.
You are the one to bring out the message here and I love you for it.
I really never leave here..just pop in to see if the forum is headed into a better direction as toward
MICHAEL.  LOL
I'm proud of you. Continue hold firm in the truth and keep on your suit of armor.
Love to you and all of you in the army of love. 
I'll be watching :)
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: paula-c on January 07, 2012, 09:59:13 AM
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This may seem simplistic - but might this redirect be about TS showing us another connection to Front perhaps, rather than having us delve into another complex analysis/interpretation of the religious aspects?






I thought equal, taking into account that there are people who are not religious
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: wishingstar on January 07, 2012, 10:36:25 AM
Good morning....there is not enough coffee in my cup to make a valid post of thoughts pertaining to this redirect (that and my internet is at best spotty).........I read over the posts and was stunned again at the level intellectual abilities on this forum.  It matters not what you believe religion wise, the volume of information is incredible.  Thank you!

TS.....it looks like a V......told you, not enough coffee, lol. 
Thanks for the redirect.......blessings to you.

Thank you all....I am going for more coffee, fiddle with my internet and hopefully write a better post on the subject.
Blessings Always
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 07, 2012, 10:46:31 AM
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This may seem simplistic - but might this redirect be about TS showing us another connection to Front perhaps, rather than having us delve into another complex analysis/interpretation of the religious aspects?






I thought equal, taking into account that there are people who are not religious

Makes 3 of us.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: BeTheChange on January 07, 2012, 11:04:24 AM
I also believe that ONE of the reasons for the redirect is to further make 'clear' the connection between the 'screen-names'...and I LOVE that  ::P

BUT...IF you accept this as 'proof' of a connection, then the fact remains that under the 'screen-name' of Front, our attention WAS drawn to the 'story' of the Exodus.  So I do believe that we are meant to look at a deeper meaning/connection of that 'story' to OUR own 'story' (the hoax)...and perhaps find some parallels (and there are a few...I LOVE MJonMind's interpretation of the meaning/parallels).

It's not a requirement that one be 'religious' to engage in the discussion/topic...nor is it a requirement that one take the 'story' of the Exodus to be literal and/or to have happened at all.  IMO, the only requirement is a desire to engage in the discussion.  If it doesn't interest someone, they are free to skip it.  BUT...IF you believe that Front and TS are on the 'same team' (which the last few posts from both have confirmed) AND you believe that they are on 'team MJ' lol...then it follows that this line of thought (the 'religious/spiritual' line) is important to MIKE...or 'they' wouldn't be 'shining a light' in that direction.

Whether you take the 'story' of the Exodus as literal or whether you believe it is simply a 'story' told by whoever for whatever purpose....there is STILL meaning/lessons to be 'interpreted' from within the 'story'.  My best guess as to the WHY of this redirect (apart from the obvious 'link' to Front)...is that MIKE is asking us to TRY to see the connection between 'stories'.  I'll keep thinking about it and will keep reading others' 'interpretations' of it...but as I mentioned, I'm really liking MJonMind's interpretation best so far.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 07, 2012, 11:17:19 AM
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Whether you take the 'story' of the Exodus as literal or whether you believe it is simply a 'story' told by whoever for whatever purpose....there is STILL meaning/lessons to be 'interpreted' from within the 'story'. 

Agreed.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 07, 2012, 12:00:50 PM
Wow, Great Videos Applehead and 2Good2beTrue.   Thank you for posting them.  I want to see the film "The Exodus Conspiracy when it comes out.  It looks very very interesting and so does the work from Wyatt the archeologist.   I learned a lot from reading about the death hoax but this religion/history part is my favorite part.

We need to do this part because if we are really going to "Heal The World", we need the truth about everything including history/religion.   A lot of "truth's have been hidden/manipulated for power and control and money.   This is just another area where "the lie becomes the truth".  In the video above they said "Wyatt was arrested when he went to certain areas to find the truth".  He was following the bible.  The other archaelogists were digging in other places, not even mentioned in the bible.   

It is extremely difficult to find and spread the truth so that is why we have to do it.   I think that is one of the main reasons for the death hoax.   

lyrics from Michael that come to my mind right now,   "you got the people confused, you tell the stories you choose"

Love you 
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: fordtocarr on January 07, 2012, 12:06:10 PM
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I also believe that ONE of the reasons for the redirect is to further make 'clear' the connection between the 'screen-names'...and I LOVE that  ::P

BUT...IF you accept this as 'proof' of a connection, then the fact remains that under the 'screen-name' of Front, our attention WAS drawn to the 'story' of the Exodus.  So I do believe that we are meant to look at a deeper meaning/connection of that 'story' to OUR own 'story' (the hoax)...and perhaps find some parallels (and there are a few...I LOVE MJonMind's interpretation of the meaning/parallels).

It's not a requirement that one be 'religious' to engage in the discussion/topic...nor is it a requirement that one take the 'story' of the Exodus to be literal and/or to have happened at all.  IMO, the only requirement is a desire to engage in the discussion.  If it doesn't interest someone, they are free to skip it.  BUT...IF you believe that Front and TS are on the 'same team' (which the last few posts from both have confirmed) AND you believe that they are on 'team MJ' lol...then it follows that this line of thought (the 'religious/spiritual' line) is important to MIKE...or 'they' wouldn't be 'shining a light' in that direction.

[OR...it's important to this TS/ts_comments/TIAI/Front/Back/S.T.U.D.Y. person for us to follow these leads and study the bible.  Didn't we learn that TS  (Tim Sirkin) is a minister?  This could be his way of preaching.  But, anyhow, he does seem Very smart and quite a leader.  And also, in the KNOW about Michael.  Although, mostly, nothing has become really of any of anything.  It's all speculation and wouldn't hold up in court about Michael being alive.  I simply believe it.  But, there is nothing to say that TS don't have his own addenda or that he speaks what MICHAEL wants us to know.  I"M a 100% believer and 100% lover of Jah, but I just do not choose to believe that this stuff is what MICHAEL is wanting, or doing or paying someone to do.  We know what's he's said that he believes.  THis isn't it./size]

Whether you take the 'story' of the Exodus as literal or whether you believe it is simply a 'story' told by whoever for whatever purpose....there is STILL meaning/lessons to be 'interpreted' from within the 'story'.  My best guess as to the WHY of this redirect (apart from the obvious 'link' to Front)...is that MIKE is asking us to TRY to see the connection between 'stories'.  I'll keep thinking about it and will keep reading others' 'interpretations' of it...but as I mentioned, I'm really liking MJonMind's interpretation best so far.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: BeTheChange on January 07, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
@Ford...I respect your opinion and I'm also glad to see you posting again  ::P

I believe that TS, Front and Back do speak for Mike for a couple of 'main' reasons.  First, as you said TS (and the same goes for Front and Back) KNOW quite a lot about Mike.  That's been proven for anyone who has taken the time to read their posts and connect the dots.  The other reason...probably the TOP reason for me...that I believe 'they' are speaking for Mike is because I KNOW that Mike is alive and you stated you are also a firm beLIEver.  Based on everything I have come to KNOW about Mike...everything pre and post 'death'...makes me believe that HE would NOT allow his 'fans' to be 'manipulated' by anyone who has their own agenda to fulfill AND who his 'fans' believe is/are speaking for Mike....when, in actuality, they are NOT speaking for Mike.  I just don't see that happening.

In fact, Mike would've been able to put an 'end' to Back, TS, or Front at ANY time...simply by having a family member 'tweet' about the 'dangers' of listening to, or 'following', any of these 'screen-names' IF they were 'fake' or NOT speaking for Mike.  But instead, we've had several instances where the family SUPPORTED posts/statements by TS and Front...yet another very important 'bullet-point' in the list of reasons to believe that whoever Back, TS and Front are...they are 'legit'.

But again..I do respect your opinion and you are a prime example of how ANYONE can disagree or raise/have a different perspective WITHOUT being rude, condescending, or hateful.  Thank you for that  bearhug

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Sarahli on January 07, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
I think there can be several reasons for this re-direct. The first one for me and the most obvious is the emphasis on the TS/Front connection, as it seems like some people were not really convinced by the last re-direct. It can't be denied now and it makes me think that it's somehow important that this connection is recognized for what is to come.

Of course there is the parallel with the story of Moses and the Exodus that can be applied to our “adventure” here as discussed in the Back thread.

What is also interesting about Moses is that he grew up in the midst of his future enemies, which makes me think of Michael who grew up as a star child in the midst of the media/music industry and is now in the process of exposing the truth with this Hoax.

Another interesting point that comes to my mind is that Moses was made prophet with his brother Aaron and I remember Jermaine used this allegory in an interview (though he doesn't mention Aaron):

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Jackson: Because I’ve always felt that I was his back bone... someone to ...someone to ...be there for him I was there and he was sort of like Moses. Things he couldn’t say thing he couldn’t say, I would say them. During the trials I knew he was a thousand percent innocent, I knew ...we all knew.
http://www.examiner.com/entertainment-in-orlando/jermaine-jackson-speaks-on-brother-king-of-pop-michael-jackson#ixzz1inRQyMIn

Which makes me think of what Front posted:
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Romans 14:13
Let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or OBSTACLE in the way of a BROTHER or SISTER.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: fordtocarr on January 07, 2012, 12:37:49 PM
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@Ford...I respect your opinion and I'm also glad to see you posting again  ::P

I believe that TS, Front and Back do speak for Mike for a couple of 'main' reasons.  First, as you said TS (and the same goes for Front and Back) KNOW quite a lot about Mike.  That's been proven for anyone who has taken the time to read their posts and connect the dots.  The other reason...probably the TOP reason for me...that I believe 'they' are speaking for Mike is because I KNOW that Mike is alive and you stated you are also a firm beLIEver.  Based on everything I have come to KNOW about Mike...everything pre and post 'death'...makes me believe that HE would NOT allow his 'fans' to be 'manipulated' by anyone who has their own agenda to fulfill AND who his 'fans' believe is/are speaking for Mike....when, in actuality, they are NOT speaking for Mike.  I just don't see that happening.

In fact, Mike would've been able to put an 'end' to Back, TS, or Front at ANY time...simply by having a family member 'tweet' about the 'dangers' of listening to, or 'following', any of these 'screen-names' IF they were 'fake' or NOT speaking for Mike.  But instead, we've had several instances where the family SUPPORTED posts/statements by TS and Front...yet another very important 'bullet-point' in the list of reasons to believe that whoever Back, TS and Front are...they are 'legit'.

But again..I do respect your opinion and you are a prime example of how ANYONE can disagree or raise/have a different perspective WITHOUT being rude, condescending, or hateful.  Thank you for that  bearhug

With L.O.V.E. always.

[size=14Great points.  We have TREMENDOUS minds here on the forum, but it's also very easy to manipulate people when they search for a loved one.  I just do not want us to base our beliefs upon things presented by TS (I DO love you TS though)that can be interpreted in a myriad of ways and have since before Jesus time.  The Bible is the most discussed topic ever and the most debated.  Just because TS or anyone, including Michael himself, points us a certain way does not make it the truth.  It is up for opinion.  As we see here.  Amongst different religions, or not even God fearing people.  Sending us on a biblical trail really just points us to studying the bible, which is great, but by giving a topic for us to research, don't mean it will lead us to Michael or the reason FOR the hoax.  As, it is all debatable.  Also, I believe as Michael was raised, but who's to say, he's pass on a message or send us researching to what he was brought up in?  Really, would he send us to research something and not tell us WHICH interpretation is right?  It would be like going to a foreign country and asking for directions and getting them in another language and hoping to get where they told us to go and it be the spot we wanted.  I cannot get where most of this leads, because I don't believe as most on here.  But, I chose to think Michael believes as I do...don't we all??   And what if he don't ?  What if he believe as YOu or Souza or others do?  How do we get the right interpretation of what he wants us to know through TS?  And, still, THAT DON'T MAKE IT FACTUAL.
Just my opinion.  Of course.  Not meant to hurt anyone or offend.. or pick on TS...TS please understand where I come from.  I believe number one in JAH, and his word and I believe in what I've researched for over 20 adult years.  I also believe Michael is alive.  I believe you, TS are here to help, although I'm NOT sure where you are headed, what your motives are, or your mission.  But, you do no harm.
If you love Michael, then I love you...and all my brothers and sisters here.  I just will not be lead where the destination is up to mankinds interpretation.
LOVE
 bearhug   [/size]

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 07, 2012, 12:48:26 PM
Sarahli, after looking at your post, I also remember an interview with Jermaine.  I don't remember who it was with but it was years ago.  I remember Jermaine saying something like "If Michael is Moses, then I'm Aron".

Well I didn't really think about it back then, but now that I'm thinking "Back", he probably said that for a reason!?

I think we have enough "proof" about Michael being alive and about who is authentic and who is fake.  Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I have enough for myself.  If you think you have enough proof, Then let's concentrate on spreading his messages.   Spread the truth about the death hoax as well as the truth about media,politics,history,religion,science.   It's all connected when you think about it.

I didn't realize there was an Exodus conspiracy or a conspiracy regarding the ark until now.  Did all of you ?


Love
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: paula-c on January 07, 2012, 01:05:39 PM
Book of exodus as I see it:

Description of an extreme situation, which is the oppression of the people in Egypt

From oppression to freedom: there is no proper understanding of the being of God without struggle for freedom from oppressive conditions and for Justice and solidarity.

The process of formation of consciousness of the Prophet

The Alliance between God and the people, origin and basis for the realization of the project  liberator of God

The process of creation of the free conscience: the crisis and its solution from the future of God. Solidarity and justice, conditions of possibility for the construction of a happy future.

God manifested strongly in favour of the weak and the humiliated.

In a cultural environment in which religion falls fully under the control of political power (just remember the Egyptian Empire or those that are happening in the area of Mesopotamia), represents a true revolution. God Israel has a privileged place where its manifestation : the struggle to get out of oppression
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: scorpionchik on January 07, 2012, 01:21:34 PM
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I have a question about TS.  I remember when we began here originally in the forum and S.T.U.D.Y. appeared.  There was research done and didn't we decide whoever it was seemed to be a "preacher" with the name Tim S  something?  Then once we began talking about that, he stopped the semi religious talk, and we got down to serious investigating business.  Then the name changed...who knows if it's the same person or not..as Study, back, front, ts or ts_comments, tiai....  but, he's back to the religious stuff.  True purpose is coming back.  I waited a long time, but I knew it would.
I really miss hearing and learning about Michael.  I get the religion elsewhere.

Well said Ford. I also try to find dots to connect this map, story behind it to Michael's hoax and RETURN.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: melody on January 07, 2012, 01:25:58 PM
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Sarahli, after looking at your post, I also remember an interview with Jermaine.  I don't remember who it was with but it was years ago.  I remember Jermaine saying something like "If Michael is Moses, then I'm Aron".

Well I didn't really think about it back then, but now that I'm thinking "Back", he probably said that for a reason!?

I think we have enough "proof" about Michael being alive and about who is authentic and who is fake.  Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I have enough for myself.  If you think you have enough proof, Then let's concentrate on spreading his messages.

That is very interesting Dontwalkaway because Moses "suffered" from a speech impediment (Ex. 4:10) so Aaron acted as his mouthpiece. YHWH would relay information to Moses, Moses would tell Aaron, then Aaron would tell the Israelites. (Ex. 4:16)
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: suspicious mind on January 07, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
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Sarahli, after looking at your post, I also remember an interview with Jermaine.  I don't remember who it was with but it was years ago.  I remember Jermaine saying something like "If Michael is Moses, then I'm Aron".

Well I didn't really think about it back then, but now that I'm thinking "Back", he probably said that for a reason!?

I think we have enough "proof" about Michael being alive and about who is authentic and who is fake.  Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I have enough for myself.  If you think you have enough proof, Then let's concentrate on spreading his messages.

That is very interesting Dontwalkaway because Moses "suffered" from a speech impediment (Ex. 4:10) so Aaron acted as his mouthpiece. YHWH would relay information to Moses, Moses would tell Aaron, then Aaron would tell the Israelites. (Ex. 4:16)

but then we keep having the reminder of that other aaron in all of this journey   elvis_/
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 07, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
That's right SuspiciousMind.  Elvis' middle name was Aron or Aaron.    That's something else that worked out well didn't it !!!

Love

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 07, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: anewfan on January 07, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.


That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I think there are many false personalities on here. I suppose it would be like acting where you get into character. The BILLION dollar question, then is why? But I don't think we are supposed to question, because then we are just the "haters" and "mean girls". So I guess we just go with the flow......
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Adi on January 07, 2012, 05:18:16 PM
The redirect of 31 Dec 2011 (below) is interesting in the context of these last 2 redirects where TS has openly connected to Front. TS is trying to make us understand the connection/vision of Front (or visa versa)?

Daniel 8:16 (KJV)
And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%208:16&version=KJV

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 07, 2012, 05:24:40 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.


That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I think there are many false personalities on here. I suppose it would be like acting where you get into character. The BILLION dollar question, then is why? But I don't think we are supposed to question, because then we are just the "haters" and "mean girls". So I guess we just go with the flow......

I'm thinking about Michael, if he is doing this....you think he could do this?
We know he acted a lot in his life and played different roles so maybe it is really Michael playing with us. Lisa said he is a manipulator, but how do we know Lisa is right?

This gives me headaches.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: BeTheChange on January 07, 2012, 05:42:01 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.


They may seem very different to some...and maybe on the 'surface' they come across as such...but when you dig a little deeper, there's PLENTY of subtle 'similarities' between TS and Front.  That doesn't mean they're the same person...but I would say they share some similar 'traits' lol. 

As for "how a person can display 2 completely different personalities"...Mike's on-stage personality is QUITE different than his off-stage personality...as a whole, polar opposite.  If that isn't a perfect example of how someone can have 2 completely different personalities, I don't what is.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: mjfansince4 on January 07, 2012, 05:45:28 PM
Okay let's say that this redirect is to get a further confirmation that TS/Front are one in the same (I mean that they are either the same person or they are working on the same "team" being given certain clues/directions). My question is...why is this important for us to know? We knew that TS would be writing under different names. I just want to know the importance or relevance. Let's say we believe TS and Front to be the same person, then there's the question of the connection between Front and Back. Then are TS, Front and Back the same person?

My head is going to explode!


If this redirect is a religious context, then I feel bad that I don't really have anything to contribute. So, I apologize for that. I'll just have to read and learn from you guys!
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Sarahli on January 07, 2012, 05:49:30 PM
‪I don't think it's scary or surprising if you consider Back/Front's personality on the forum and MJ's personality in public as WE know him. And then other people who knew him personally have said in interviews that he's nothing like his public persona. We are always saying "MJ wouldn't do this or that" but we don't know what he would or would not do. ‬

Also, Michael is a genius, child-like, businessman, loving and caring man, etc., so I do not see why it wouldn’t transpire in the “characters” he would place as messengers/informers. I love both TS and Front’s “aura” as they both for me reflect a part/side of Michael.

‪It's also very possible that TS and Front are NOT the same person, but they are definitely on the same team. I think Back=Front=MJ … ‬and it can also be that TS=MJ's messenger/right-hand man.

And yes TS and Front's writing styles are different but we all know MJ has many sides (Top, Side, Back, Front LOL)...and a lot of people think they are all the same person. Who knows! It's part of the mystery fun! /woohoo/

@ anewfan, well Michael IS an amazing actor.

@ Gina, I think MJ knew EXACTLY how to manipulate people especially the media when and if necessary.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: anewfan on January 07, 2012, 05:54:59 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.


That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I think there are many false personalities on here. I suppose it would be like acting where you get into character. The BILLION dollar question, then is why? But I don't think we are supposed to question, because then we are just the "haters" and "mean girls". So I guess we just go with the flow......

I'm thinking about Michael, if he is doing this....you think he could do this?
We know he acted a lot in his life and played different roles so maybe it is really Michael playing with us. Lisa said he is a manipulator, but how do we know Lisa is right?

This gives me headaches.


In my opinion, TS and Front are NOT MJ.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: paula-c on January 07, 2012, 06:02:21 PM
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‪I don't think it's scary or surprising if you consider Back/Front's personality on the forum and MJ's personality in public as WE know him. And then other people who knew him personally have said in interviews that he's nothing like his public persona. We are always saying "MJ wouldn't do this or that" but we don't know what he would or would not do. ‬

Also, Michael is a genius, child-like, businessman, loving and caring man, etc., so I do not see why it wouldn’t transpire in the “characters” he would place as messengers/informers. I love both TS and Front’s “aura” as they both for me reflect a part/side of Michael.

‪It's also very possible that TS and Front are NOT the same person, but they are definitely on the same team. I think Back=Front=MJ … ‬and it can also be that TS=MJ's messenger/right-hand man.

And yes TS and Front's writing styles are different but we all know MJ has many sides (Top, Side, Back, Front LOL)...and a lot of people think they are all the same person. Who knows! It's part of the mystery fun! /woohoo/

@ anewfan, well Michael IS an amazing actor.

@ Gina, I think MJ knew EXACTLY how to manipulate people especially the media when and if necessary.






 /bravo/Sarahli is a good that your're here /bravo/
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Sarahli on January 07, 2012, 06:06:43 PM
Thank you Paula! I L.O.V.E. You!  bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: fordtocarr on January 07, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.


That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I think there are many false personalities on here. I suppose it would be like acting where you get into character. The BILLION dollar question, then is why? But I don't think we are supposed to question, because then we are just the "haters" and "mean girls". So I guess we just go with the flow......

I'd say you are correct (IMO) that there are false personalities on here.  Think about it...if Michael is involved in this forum...then there has to be others to "guide" the topics to the right path.  We sure tend to go off flying on things that really tend to be absurd to the normal world.  Esp. when we are bored.  I'd say, that to get a topic going...or to come back to ones long dead years ago, you'd have to have more than one user or user name to guide the hoax/forum to where you want it to go.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 07, 2012, 07:13:49 PM
I personally don’t get the feeling that they are the same people, but that both (all) are getting instruction from the same person.  The same message, but with a slightly different delivery.  No matter the messenger, the message appears to be the same, and it seems to be pointing towards who is prepared to be loyal and , trustworthy enough to follow by blind faith.  Do we believe that Michael is at the helm?  Do we believe that he is sanctioning these directs towards the awakening we were promised?  Or do we believe that we are being led into a web of deceit?   Are these real clues or are we being fed riddles and lies?  It’s up to us to decide.  Us. 

Humans by our very nature are hard pressed to believe that which we cannot see or touch.  We don’t trust easily and our faith is constantly being tested.   Maybe this is our test in Michael’s hoax.  I confess that I am not ready to say with 100% certainty that any poster on this forum is Michael Jackson.  But what I will say is that I can see some of Michael in many of the post they have made.  And since it is my sincere belief that Michael Jackson is indeed alive not only from the TIAI directs but from a whole plethora of other undisputable facts uncovered since 6/26/09, I intend to be right here waiting when he returns.  Michael loves his fans.  He would not want them to worry incessantly and would want to reassure them as best he could that he is still okay.  How better than on a forum where people have proven their allegiance to him, know he has a plan and are waiting and rallying his return?  I believe that if he is following and communicating with any forum on the net, this one would be it.  Therefore, it would not be out of the norm for him to have one or two trusted persons to impart encrypted information that those who have studied would recognize.   
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 07, 2012, 08:21:07 PM
Don't worry so much.  I don't really know, but I have a feeling that the TS/Front/Back/S.T.U.D.Y/TS_Comments/MJ whole mystery will be revealed when it is time.

Does anyone else want to investigate the story of Moses ?  And what do you think about Wyatt saying he found the ark of the covenant ?  If you watch the videos posted by 2Good2BeTrue they are linked to other videos.  There is a video of Wyatt speaking about how he found the arc and what it contained.  He said it was guarded by 4 of gods angels.  He said that inside it were two tablets with writing engraved on each side.  The angels let him get the tablets out of the arc and then they placed them on a shelf in the cave/tunnel.  He has said he has been the only person EVER to get in there.  Others were shot at etc.  Isn't this interesting !?

Also, what do you guys think about what they found on the bottom of the red sea ?  They found chariots, wheels, bones, etc. that could have been part of the egyptian army chasing after the Israelites.  There is also a phoenician style stone pole on each side of the sea where they crossed the water.  If this is all real, Isn't it amazing ? 

Don't you want to get down to the truth about it ?????  and help solve level 7 ???

 

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on January 07, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.

That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I think there are many false personalities on here. I suppose it would be like acting where you get into character. The BILLION dollar question, then is why? But I don't think we are supposed to question, because then we are just the "haters" and "mean girls". So I guess we just go with the flow......

This comment isn't just for Gina and anewfan but I would like to address these comments.

To Gina-Do you have different persona's in your life? Like one role is mom, another is wife, another is worker, another one is (maybe) when around in-laws or friends. The point is we all have different personalities; so why is it such a big deal if TS and Front seem different?

The acting part comes natural to some people, it may also be called role play. This is still an ARG and we still have more to figure out before this is over. My name certainly is not Im_convincedmjalive out in the world off the net. My roleplay name is that. You all have a name you go by thus being a different persona. I think TS/Front should have the same rights we do while we are cruisin down the hoax lane.

To anewfan-I am responding to your snide remark about being considered a hater. I am addressing this issue because it is very clear to me that you would be referring to the comment I made recently when I said  *FU* and the other names I called fake and only wanna come into a thread and stir shit up people. There was a wide net of people included in that comment. If you felt addressed because of that, then own it.

My comment was meant for the haters who seem to pop up out of the blue, they make one post and it usually is a rant about someone being fake, (TS/Front) or the fake fans who wait in the cut to see when they can strike.

The new posters who seem like they are on damage control for the illuminati. I believe that sleepers and Manchurian canidants are here on the forum. I know that some new posters may seem cool and they may even be acting like a different sex. Like it may be a guy when he has convinced people he is a girl.

The comment was meant for hypocrites, imposters, etc. What the comment didn't say was anewfan your a hater.  rr/
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I went back in time and watched MJ's Leave Me Alone video. I have studied symbols and secret societies for 2 years now. I am not an expert but I am fairly knowledgeable, I know what I am seeing basically.

Since part of the hoax is about warning us of the NWO and MJ's music or videos contain coded messages in his art, I wanted to analyse that video. The last comment I made got me to thinking about the paps, fanatics, stalkers (whether they're a loving fan or one who is a serious hater). I  thought about all the lies that have been written about MJ and people believed alot of it and still do to this day.

(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g392/cherrymoon808/NWO-1.jpg)
The Pyramid could mean a few things. Is it just an innocent pyramid above a building that can either be a shrine or it looks more like a temple to worship in? Is the pyramid pointing to Egypt? Is it showing us the powers that control us? To me it appears that MJ has been trying to get us to see for a long time now. That sounds like Moses and the people trying to get out of the desert for a very long time. The video was made in 1987, this is still a relevant song/video for the hoax.

The dogs in suits could be referring to the Feds/FBI, CIA, Illuminati, the media, the guy from Matrix or Men in Black.  8-) When the statue of MJ starts to break free there is a dog in a suit trying to hammer the rope around MJ's wrist further into the ground.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crbFmpezO4A[/youtube]
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Music video by Michael Jackson performing Leave Me Alone. (C) 1987 MJJ Productions Inc.

The truth is winning out.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 07, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
I found a very interesting article called:

The Mystery and Controversy of the story of Moses.  Was Moses Akhenaten ?   Amenhotep IV ?

Here is the link:  http://www.greatdreams.com/moses.htm

You can see statues of Moses and Akhenaten.  If the statue of Akhenaten is realistic then in my opinion he doesn't seem like a typical human man.  If you scroll down the page you see the elongated skull.  It appears they may have had those elongated skulls.  You can see the same thing in the art work. I've also seen photos of this on other videos.    They had head pieces on so you can't always tell.  But if you scroll down the page, they say they might have been associated with extraterrestrial life forms.  Look at the mummy of the fetus they found with King Tut.  They said it looked like an E.T. 

Love

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: lilwendy on January 07, 2012, 09:33:59 PM
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All of these are fantastic links to do with this re-direct

http://vimeo.com/33439742 (http://vimeo.com/33439742)

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/index2.htm

http://www.youtube.com/sygnate

OH MY GOODNESS! Ok so I went online to check if TS had a new redirect and sure enough there it was.  Now I stared at that picture for a good minute swearing I had seen it before.  Then someone said2  Back or Front had used that same pic, but that wasn't it.  Then 2good2btrue posts these links and I was just watching these links yesterday because I a friend of mine passed it to me and thought I might be interested.

I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING TO THIS FRIEND ABOUT ANYTHING!!!

God works in mysterious ways!!!!

One of the main lines that stood out for me in one of the videos was "Should tradition supercede the Bible?" and then said "Let's find out what the Bible really said" (or something to that effect)

So often we listen to what others say and we don't study for ourselves.  This needs to change.

Well I'm off to finish watching the vids!
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 07, 2012, 10:11:02 PM
As far as I'm concerned back=Front=TS=Michael, but it doesn't matter, really. He's not telling all the deep dark secrets of the hoax, he's just laid out a game board, or map for us to play in. It's like GTA or Dead Rising with a giant world you are turned loose in and you can pick up the controller and go play as you please. You can follow the story line and do the missions, or you can just go smash stuff and explore; your choice and it's all ok. It's not the kind of game where if you ignore the prompts and fail to find the zombrex in time it's Game Over. Nah, you just won't find the nifty deep, dark, hidden easter eggs n bonus items but you can play on to your heart's content. Well actually you might just by chance find some cool shit because you could easily just be wandering around seeing what there is to see, and stumble upon a laser sword, that really you shouldn't be directed to until Alfred thanks you for saving his wife and leads you to the secret passageway behind the stairs that unlocks the next boss cut scene... or whatever, that's gamer talk, but you get the idea.

This Is ARG [on steriods]. Your mileage may vary, your gamer experience is the one you chose and customize yourself.

Now if MJ wanted an ARMY to go save the world from the evil, shadowy, vague, obscure entity, The Illuminati, would he not make his boundaries very strict and rigid? Think military, everyone must fall in line and learn the skills required for the mission. There is no room for individuality or exceptions because an army must move and function cohesively as a unit. What we are doing is VERY different from that, so different it is the polar opposite.

Ps. Anewfan, why did you bother posting if you feel so excluded. You know, it's obvious you want in very badly, else you wouldn't care if you were feeling excluded. The KKK excludes me from their club but I really could give a shit so the thought never even crosses my mind. You, on the other hand, just can't seem to stay away. What is it that intrigues you so much that you can't get TIAI and Front out of your head? Is it because your instincts tell you exactly what so many of us KNOW to be the truth? It almost has to be that, why else would you be so seemingly obsessed (like we are)?
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: anewfan on January 08, 2012, 12:08:08 AM
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As far as I'm concerned back=Front=TS=Michael, but it doesn't matter, really. He's not telling all the deep dark secrets of the hoax, he's just laid out a game board, or map for us to play in. It's like GTA or Dead Rising with a giant world you are turned loose in and you can pick up the controller and go play as you please. You can follow the story line and do the missions, or you can just go smash stuff and explore; your choice and it's all ok. It's not the kind of game where if you ignore the prompts and fail to find the zombrex in time it's Game Over. Nah, you just won't find the nifty deep, dark, hidden easter eggs n bonus items but you can play on to your heart's content. Well actually you might just by chance find some cool shit because you could easily just be wandering around seeing what there is to see, and stumble upon a laser sword, that really you shouldn't be directed to until Alfred thanks you for saving his wife and leads you to the secret passageway behind the stairs that unlocks the next boss cut scene... or whatever, that's gamer talk, but you get the idea.

This Is ARG [on steriods]. Your mileage may vary, your gamer experience is the one you chose and customize yourself.

Now if MJ wanted an ARMY to go save the world from the evil, shadowy, vague, obscure entity, The Illuminati, would he not make his boundaries very strict and rigid? Think military, everyone must fall in line and learn the skills required for the mission. There is no room for individuality or exceptions because an army must move and function cohesively as a unit. What we are doing is VERY different from that, so different it is the polar opposite.

Ps. Anewfan, why did you bother posting if you feel so excluded. You know, it's obvious you want in very badly, else you wouldn't care if you were feeling excluded. The KKK excludes me from their club but I really could give a shit so the thought never even crosses my mind. You, on the other hand, just can't seem to stay away. What is it that intrigues you so much that you can't get TIAI and Front out of your head? Is it because your instincts tell you exactly what so many of us KNOW to be the truth? It almost has to be that, why else would you be so seemingly obsessed (like we are)?

Bec....no, I don't feel excluded. In fact, I rather not be part of the "posse". I get that they have a lot of control and everything, but that's not how I roll. I retain my own beliefs and thoughts and don't let others bully me into thinking differently.  I don't NEED to have the limelight. I was just responding to Gina, who obviously is having the same thoughts as me and I was letting HER know my thoughts. And she's right. It really has gotten scary around here....in fact it has gotten down right freaky and creepy. I'm "obsessed" (your words not mine) with finding out the TRUTH....about it all!
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 08, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
No you're obsessed with TIAI and Front, which is why you read these threads to be able to reply to anyone at all. Obsessed. Same as we are. Admit it.

Either that or you're obsessed with creating drama. I'd like to think it's not that.

Ps. and if it's so FREAKY and CREEPY why in the WORLD would you even want to be part of it much less participate in the discussion on it. SURELY your time is better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 08, 2012, 01:04:48 AM
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To Gina-Do you have different persona's in your life? Like one role is mom, another is wife, another is worker, another one is (maybe) when around in-laws or friends. The point is we all have different personalities; so why is it such a big deal if TS and Front seem different?

The acting part comes natural to some people, it may also be called role play. This is still an ARG and we still have more to figure out before this is over. My name certainly is not Im_convincedmjalive out in the world off the net. My roleplay name is that. You all have a name you go by thus being a different persona. I think TS/Front should have the same rights we do while we are cruisin down the hoax lane.

No I don't - as far as I know. My username is my real name. I'm not playing a role here, what you see is what I am. I really need to get some acting skills here.

@anewfan - I am "bamboozled" lol by this situation, one day I think they must be all MJ, next day I think they are somebody else who plays a game the reasons for I fail to understand.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 08, 2012, 01:12:44 AM
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My comment was meant for the haters who seem to pop up out of the blue, they make one post and it usually is a rant about someone being fake, (TS/Front) or the fake fans who wait in the cut to see when they can strike.


@ IMCONVINCED
, wonderful post again! regarding your comment above... oh yes, though only 4.5 months old here i know the type you are reffering to already... they are the ones who start off by saying "I have been reading here since the beginning, just made a profile now" and "I just wanted to say...." (they then put their *new* nose into a controversial discussion or back up someone who they side with) to me i just think a) what a cop out, we are not stupid... and b) um... IP addresses can be checked you know... so if you are a current member and quickly sign up a new profile to make a coward post, then it can be checked... and c) out of all the reasons why someone would sign up.... after all the amazing things that have been revealed, the clues, the courtcase, the numbers... none of that inspired them to sign up and participate in an amazing forum. no rather, it was a little "B" fight that they wanted to put their two cents into.... Puh-lease....

oh, then of course, you rarely ever hear from them again...



@ DONTWALKAWAY... great idea. yes. lets talk about what was found at the bottom of the red sea....


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/Horse-hoof-redsea.jpg)
Above is a horse's hoof that is shrunken since drying out.  Horses are not found in the Sinai Peninsula today


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/draft_lens2024961module9932981photo_1213140712moses_chariot_wheel_gold.jpg)
Above, photo taken of a gilded chariot wheel that remains on the sea floor.  It was found by Ron Wyatt using a molecular frequency generator from his boat above, after he set the equipment to search for gold.   The Bible said all the chariots of Egypt and 600 choice chariots, or gold veneered models, were in the army pursuing God's people.  It is speculated there were 20,000 chariots destroyed that day. below is a drawing of a four spoke chariot found in an Egyptian tomb from the same time period.  Four, six and eight spoke wheels are found here in the gulf, and were only used at the same time during the 18th dynasty or 1446 BC when the exodus took place

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/exwheel4.jpg)



(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/bone.jpg)

There are numerous chariot wheels, plus human and horse bones at the crossing site. Above on right, is a human femur bone that is covered by coral, and was tested at Stockholm University.  It is from the right leg of a man 165-170cm tall.  It is basically mineralized by resting in the Red Sea for such a long time.


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/exwheel.jpg)
Above and below chariot wheels fixed to axels standing at attention on the seabed.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/exwheel2.jpg)


very interesting indeed. once again, arcological evidence (IMO) that coincides with the bible  /bravo/

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Andrea on January 08, 2012, 01:17:56 AM
I honestly don't see someone(s) being so utterly dedicated to "fooling" a very small group of people on the internet.  Trolls come in for a night of chaos then leave satisfied.  They don't stick around for over 2 years, offering astonishing information and 'coincidences' without being debunked.

If we all think Michael alive and is going to BAM (and this year - 2012) then it makes complete sense that we are seeing the pieces of the puzzle coming together.  The Pi(e) is almost ready, we can smell it!

Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 08, 2012, 01:27:45 AM
forgot to add that it brings to mind the scripture where god caused confusion in the red sea when the egyptians were on the chase. the scripture says that god 'took the wheels off the chariots, so that they were driving them with difficulty.

exodus 14:25 He twisted their chariot wheels, making their chariots difficult to drive. "Let's get out of here--away from these Israelites!" the Egyptians shouted. "The LORD is fighting for them against Egypt!"

- living translation.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: curls on January 08, 2012, 02:30:34 AM
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I honestly don't see someone(s) being so utterly dedicated to "fooling" a very small group of people on the internet. 


Totally agree Andrea!  Bottom line.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: RK on January 08, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Thanks for the reminder that Jermaine said he was like Aaron in that he acted as Michael's mouth piece. I think that was Sarahli? who brought that back out from the archives. And 2 years later, the puzzle piece fits.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaN2acVMGC8&feature=autoplay&list=UUTrA8LXEi6pvizX2S0mX2_w&lf=plcp&playnext=1[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaN2acVMGC8&feature=autoplay&list=UUTrA8LXEi6pvizX2S0mX2_w&lf=plcp&playnext=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaN2acVMGC8&feature=autoplay&list=UUTrA8LXEi6pvizX2S0mX2_w&lf=plcp&playnext=1)
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 08, 2012, 10:36:43 AM
Why would god drown all those soldiers who are just following orders? And their poor horses? The horses are certainly innocents even if some argument could be made against the soldiers. Why would god send all those poor horses to such a horrifying death? Surely with all of gods power there was some other way of protecting the Israelites that didn't involve so much death of innocents.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 08, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
but there are deaths of innocents every minute of every day.  Many times in catastrophic numbers.  It is said that the good shall suffer with the bad and that God allows this though he does not condone it.  We are given free will: the good, the bad and the ugly.  With all innocent deaths, it is usually not by choice but by association, time and place.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: bec on January 08, 2012, 11:06:22 AM
But the story goes even further, that GOD caused the death of the first born male in every household... children... GOD did this. Not just condoned but CAUSED.

Bah. Doesn't matter. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: hopi on January 08, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
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But the story goes even further, that GOD caused the death of the first born male in every household... children... GOD did this. Not just condoned but CAUSED.

Bah. Doesn't matter. Just sayin'.

That's why I don't believe in the biblical God. I believe in God, with all my heart, but not as he's described in parts of the bible.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 08, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
Have you ever noticed that at many funerals the minister will say that death is ALWAYS God’s will, or that it was his/her time?  That always infuriates me.  When my son was tragically killed in a highway accident, I did not allow that to be spoken.  It caused me agreat deal of stress trying to locate a clergy who would denouce that.  However I did, and I was led to read a book called “When God Sheds Tears” by Richard Coffin who held to my convictions that this was a man made allegory created to blind us to the fact that there are evil forces at work as well as good ones.  Making God the deliverer of death and destruction by any means necessary only allows those working against good to exsercise their own evil free will because it would always be blamed on God.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: anewfan on January 08, 2012, 01:03:41 PM
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My comment was meant for the haters who seem to pop up out of the blue, they make one post and it usually is a rant about someone being fake, (TS/Front) or the fake fans who wait in the cut to see when they can strike.


@ IMCONVINCED
, wonderful post again! regarding your comment above... oh yes, though only 4.5 months old here i know the type you are reffering to already... they are the ones who start off by saying "I have been reading here since the beginning, just made a profile now" and "I just wanted to say...." (they then put their *new* nose into a controversial discussion or back up someone who they side with)

I agree. You are right. This is a common tactic used on this forum to make sure a point is "proven" and I think it's wrong.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: MichaelsAngel on January 08, 2012, 01:23:11 PM
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But the story goes even further, that GOD caused the death of the first born male in every household... children... GOD did this. Not just condoned but CAUSED.

Bah. Doesn't matter. Just sayin'.

That's why I don't believe in the biblical God. I believe in God, with all my heart, but not as he's described in parts of the bible.

I tend to agree with this. I believe in God with all my heart but I'm skeptical of the Bible because it was written by man and I just can't imagine God would condone some of the things that are said in the Bible. However, I really need to study more about the Bible to gain a better opinion. I just need something that will push my faith in one direction or the other.
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: melody on January 08, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
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Why would god drown all those soldiers who are just following orders? And their poor horses? The horses are certainly innocents even if some argument could be made against the soldiers. Why would god send all those poor horses to such a horrifying death? Surely with all of gods power there was some other way of protecting the Israelites that didn't involve so much death of innocents.

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But the story goes even further, that GOD caused the death of the first born male in every household... children... GOD did this. Not just condoned but CAUSED.

Bah. Doesn't matter. Just sayin'.

I'm probably treading on dangerous ground, but this is my understanding of the narrative:

(1) Pharaoh "started it":


(2) the innocent horses had to die because,


Hopefully I haven't misinterpreted anything.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: RK on January 08, 2012, 07:54:10 PM
@melody, thankyou. Your reply is perfect.

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Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: bec on January 08, 2012, 08:46:11 PM
I don't buy it. A god who is powerful enough to turn the rivers to blood and shut out the entire sun need not cause suffering of innocents to get his point across. It makes no sense.

The horses are as much slaves as the Israelites were. There's no need to make them suffer to get a point across. Drowning is not a quick and painless death. The horses were damned if they did (cruel, suffering death) and damned if they didn't (whippings).

An all powerful god could have caused the banks and shores of the river to be so muddy that the horses could not make it through and the Egyptians never could have followed the Israelites into the sea floor. He could have caused the horses to spook terribly, refusing to go forward, causing them to suffer the whippings yet to no avail. He could have caused their instincts to override their training and made them frozen in their tracks or wheel and bolt back for home. God could have caused them to suffer blindness so they could not see to chase the Israelites. So many other options besides cruel, suffering death for these horses... not to mention the soldiers who were again, just following orders.

Horrible.

And this is reason #673259734608762 why I am an atheist.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MJonmind on January 09, 2012, 03:34:50 AM

Bec,
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Horrible.
And this is reason #673259734608762 why I am an atheist.


But if there's no God, why is there evil at all?  There doesn't appear to be evil in the animal world. 

IMO I completely disagree that God only "allows evil"—no, He completely causes it—the Creator of the “outrageous” but true story in the Bible—on the stage of earth.  Plenty of proof, but it’s not the orthodox position. The Bible if analyzed is filled with ridiculous situations showing God to be devoid of any love, if taken as straight-forward. It's a layered book, just as this hoax is layered-- one of which is an ARG. It only "appears" that Michael is heartless to his fans/the world by faking/lying about his death, because the end result will be/is an amazing journey/escape/learning experience/healing of the planet.

It's helpful to ask questions like:  Is God really in control and all-powerful if somehow Satan is calling the shots? If God intervenes sometimes, why doesn't He intervene all the time? He knows the future, so why didn't he protect innocent/naive Adam and Eve from the liar/thief/raper who HE allowed into the safety of their home, something any parent would do?  Any story if picked apart becomes silly/impossible (like why does this person do this stupid thing which causes death and destruction for others?), but if these crazy things didn't happen we wouldn't have history in all it's beauty, variety, richness.  You don't know light without darkness, joy without pain, hate without love.

This article shows the many verses showing God is behind everything including evil.   http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTAR321.htm (http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTAR321.htm)


This is a more humorous look at this theme:  http://www.martinzender.com/clanging_gong/archives/Volume2-Issue7.pdf (http://www.martinzender.com/clanging_gong/archives/Volume2-Issue7.pdf)http://www.martinzender.com/clanging_gong/archives/Volume2-Issue11.pdf (http://www.martinzender.com/clanging_gong/archives/Volume2-Issue11.pdf)
http://www.martinzender.com/clanging_gong/archives/Volume1-Issue20.pdf (http://www.martinzender.com/clanging_gong/archives/Volume1-Issue20.pdf)
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MJonmind on January 09, 2012, 03:56:31 AM
Melody, I think you beautifully described the surface layer of what might have been happening with the Exodus story. 
But here's another layer,

Similarities Between Moses and Jesus
 
MOSES
 
JESUS
 
1.
 
Order by King of Egypt to kill baby sons of Israelites Exodus 1:15,16,22
 
Order by King Herod to kill young children Matthew 2:16
 
2.
 
Birth of Moses Exodus 2:1,2
 
Birth of Jesus Christ Matthew 2:1-3
 
3.
 
Hiding of baby son Moses Exodus 2:2-5
 
Hiding of baby son Jesus Matthew 2:13-15
 
4.
 
Moses was an Israelite Exodus 2:6
 
Jesus was an Israelite (John 4:22
 
5.
 
King (Pharaoh) dies Exodus 2:23
 
King (Herod) dies Matthew 2:19
 
6.
 
Moses was faithful Numbers 12:6-8
 
Jesus was faithful 1 Corinthians 10:23; Heb 2:17,18; Rev 1:5
 
7.
 
Moses was kind (Num12:3)
 
Jesus was kind Heb 14:18
 
8.
 
Moses led people out of Egyptian slavery Exodus 12:31,42; 13:3; Hebrews 3:16
 
Jesus led people out of slavery of sin John 8:34-37; 1 John 3:8; Romans 6:13-20
 
9.
 
Moses led Israel out on first of Abib Ex 13:3,4; 16;1-3,6; 12:2,6; 34:18
 
Jesus led spiritual Israel out on first of Abib Matt 26:17-27; Mrk 14:1-26
 
10.
 
Moses and manna in the desert Exodus 17:5,6
 
Jesus and spiritual manna in desert Mark 6:34-44; 8:3-8
 
11.
 
Moses and water in the desert Exodus 17:5,6
 
Jesus and spiritual water in the spiritual desert John 7:37-39
 
http://www.carelinks.net/doc/gn201101-en/42 (http://www.carelinks.net/doc/gn201101-en/42)


 Check for more here: 50 parallels of Moses and Jesus  http://amessianicmoment.blogspot.com/2011/05/50-parallels-between-moses-and-jesus.html (http://amessianicmoment.blogspot.com/2011/05/50-parallels-between-moses-and-jesus.html)


So for me that Front/TS draw our attention to Moses goes deeper.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: WhiteNight on January 09, 2012, 05:04:48 AM
MJonmind: Thanks for that very interesting post on the paralells!

I would also like to do more digging concerning Moses and the Exodus. This story has always fascinated me since childhood. I was raised in a conservative Christian home but as I got older, I began to question so many things that didn’t make sense at all. The Bible contradicts itself on many occasions. But I think that this has to do with the fact that it was written by men…I mean humans can’t get stuff right all the time. But that’s where faith comes in.

So, I totally feel you bec. I was an atheist for quite some time and I had pretty legitimate reasons to be.

I agree in that one of the main parts of this hoax is to understand the truth in HISTORY AND RELIGION.  To fully grasp the level of manipulation that has been done in regards to religion in order to control and enslave humanity throughout history. The story of Moses is very important and I believe that it holds the key to understanding many things not only in this hoax but also in world events. 

The Ten Commandments are God’s laws. But man has toyed with them over the years. Most notably the 2 very important laws that God has referenced on several occasions>>>>  1. Keeping the Sabbath holy. Changing the Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday is breaking this law: The Roman Catholic Church did this very thing and they killed people who refused to break God’s law. If you don’t believe me, look it up yo… and 2. Venerating and worshiping idols: Most of Christendom engages in this. Praying to the saints and Mary is no exception. These individuals are to be respected but never worshiped. BTW: Jesus was NOT born on Christmas. The bible does NOT specify a date in which Jesus was born. Dec 25th is a pagan holiday… Again LOOK it up if you care. I hope I didn’t bust anyone’s bubble because this info most certainly busted mine. *sigh* But I agree with Michael in that ‘it should be Christmas everyday.’ We should love each other and be giving everyday of the year. I have a tree up in my room and I keep it up all year long. It’s funny how Michael had Christmas décor up in his house all year long. I didn’t even know this and I do the same thing. lol

There is a difference between ‘religion’ and ‘relationship’.  God wants us to have a relationship with him through Jesus Christ. It’s really that simple. And it is OUR choice to take Him up on that offer.

Lilwendy: I loved your reference to ‘Tradition’ vs the Bible. Thank you so much for posting that! That stood out to me as well and it’s wonderful to see that you expressed what I personally feel. And YES! God does work in mysterious ways. I have actually been looking into this particular biblical story recently and I had no idea that the redirects would pertain to the exact same subject! It’s so awesome!!!

The Bible is VERY important to Michael so it’s imperative that people accept this fact and deal with it once and for all.  As someone said, there is much to be learned here regardless of faith or lack thereof.

As for the relationship between TS, Front, Back, etc… I’m not really worried about that at this point. As a matter of fact, I have never really worried about it. There are plenty of reasons to trust in them and a few of you have stated some of them. The truth will prevail when all of this is over. I agree with you Andrea. I also do not think that they would even care to ‘play’ with us (as few as we are). What would be the point?

im_convincedmjalive : I know exactly what you meant by your post about the haters that rant about TS Front or others being fake. And that brings me to this.
 
Oh God…Please forgive me for what I am about to say…X_x PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENCE TO WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY BELOW (and if you do, then this probably applies to you):

What I fail to understand is this>>>  If people feel like they are being played, WTF are they still hanging around here for? I’m sorry for saying something so vulgar and I know I never say anything about this but…damn! Why do we always have to keep spinning our wheels and going back to the same damn shit OVER AND OVER again by constantly reiterating what has already been proven!? WTF!!!! If you don’t believe, you don’t belong!!! That’s the bottom line! And if people want to bitch about these things, then they should make another thread and keep that stuff off of the redirect threads. I don’t want to read rants and debates concerning whether TS and FRONT are legit or not. It’s a distraction and a BIG waste of time! I want to read interesting research and stuff that has to do with the message and redirects damn it!!!!!

I'm VERY sorry if this offended anyone but this is how I feel when I read through the redirect threads.


*goes to corner and prays for forgiveness*
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: PureLove on January 09, 2012, 07:57:58 AM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.

2 different personalities? I don't think so. From the start I thought that TS is Front. I see no difference btw the personalities.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: diggyon on January 09, 2012, 09:29:50 AM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.

2 different personalities? I don't think so. From the start I thought that TS is Front. I see no difference btw the personalities.

So what's the big deal?!!
They can be 3 or 4 or even 5, as long as their authentication has been proven. They all speak for Michael. They are his voice.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: BeTheChange on January 09, 2012, 10:31:37 AM
Just some (lengthy) thoughts...

Very interesting thoughts have been brought up concerning God, His existence, His intentions, our purpose, free will, etc.  No matter what 'objections' people may have about TS, you have to admit that he illicits thought (whether through posts or redirects)...and not just any 'thought' but oftentimes, thoughts at a deeper level than most even venture to.  And THAT on its own, makes me grateful for TS being here (although there's many more reasons along with that).

I think the problem we have in trying to 'figure out' the mysteries of God, and the problem humanity as a whole has always had....is that IF you believe there's a God (and I don't believe, I know...and it's a great feeling to know it!), then God has the power (since he's all-powerful) to be outside time, whereas we are bogged down in it.  Because God IS all-powerful, He experiences/sees past, present, and future simultaneously, in the blink of an eye.  Although I do believe some people have the ability to SEE into the future...for the most part, WE only experience the past and the present (perhaps if we used more of our brain's potential, that would change).  Based on our past and present experiences, for any given situation...we can make a good educated guess as to what will occur at a point in the future...but until that event/outcome actually happens, we can't confirm our 'guess' with 100% certainty, even if we have 100% faith.  God can confirm ANY future event in the moment, because He can see it now.  That's one way I look at the issue of 'free will'...we DO have free will, its just that God knows your choices before you do...not because He chose for you but because He already SEES the whole process and outcome of your 'thoughts' (past, present, and future)....He IS all-knowing.  Perhaps those who have had 'visions' have 'tapped' into a part of themselves (a higher frequency) that allowed them to actually SEE the future (experience 'life' outside of time...another dimension that is accessible to all but very difficult to achieve for various reasons).  I think we all are capable of that but we somehow lost or forgot the ability.

The question of WHY God would allow/choose 'evil' to occur has often caused me moments of being 'angry' with God....but the 'evil' that is rampant in the world has never caused me to question His existence, although my 'faith' has been tested several times.  It has, however, overwhelmingly shaken my faith in mankind.  I get 'angry' because I KNOW He is powerful enough to end ALL suffering and yet He doesn't.  But in the end and without fail, my faith in Him always takes over and I trust that He has his reasons for everything (despite my inability to understand it)...and because He IS all-loving, I trust and know that no matter what it IS all for love (the struggles, the pain, the hardships, and even the 'evil').  And that faith that I, and others have, cannot be forced on anyone nor can it be 'taught'....it has to be felt and experienced by the individual.  It's a test called 'Faith'.

There's all kinds of 'evil' and suffering in the world and a lot of times, people ask questions that begin with "Why would God...." or "If there is a God, why would He....", and it's good to ask those questions because they cause you to 'think' outside of yourself...we're all on our OWN journey.  I 'like' a theory I read a long time ago that goes along the lines of....we are ALL spiritual beings living as human beings for the experience of it AND that WE each chose THIS existence that we are living in right now.  When we were on 'the other side' (our primary Home), we were given a 'choice' among several as to which 'life' we wanted to choose to live here on Earth or if we wanted to live one at all (this may also tie in with 'free will').  That would mean that YOU chose to be here and, at some point, you knew ALL the experiences, challenges, highs and lows that THIS life would bring you....you were shown it all from beginning to end (like auditioning for a 'role'...you know your character, you know your 'place' in the story and you know the 'story' from beginning to end).  While the 'roles' and storylines may have been predetermined based on God's will (with each 'role' having purpose(s) in HIStory)....you freely chose to accept this one.  That goes for you, for all of us and for every 'human' who has ever walked this Earth.  Of course, I can't 'prove' the theory....but at the least, it causes a shift in perspective from asking the question "WHY would God do such and such"...to "WHY did I choose to be here?"..."WHY did I feel I'd be good for this 'role'?".  In the end, it's up to each one of us to put out the BEST 'performance' we can while on His 'stage'.

I know this might sound 'out there' for many and I agree that it may be....but so is A LOT of what 'traditional religion' teaches, considering the constant contradictions that arise in their teachings.  There is many different opinions about God (whether He exists or not, what his 'intentions' could be, what our 'purpose' is here, etc)...but the one thing that ALL those different opinions have in common is that WE are limited by the confines of 'time' and therefore cannot have all the answers right this second.  And I'm ok with that because, no matter what, I have faith that we will ALL get to the same destination eventually.

Isn't it 'freaky' how these 'religious' discussions mirror the 'bigger picture' of the hoax?  It's ALL already written.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 09, 2012, 02:02:01 PM
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This is scary.
This redirect is another connection between TS and Front. WTF?? is going on here??

ps: the scary thing is they seem very different but IF they are one and the same person I really have to think about how a person can display 2 completely different personalities....well at least 2 that we are aware of.

2 different personalities? I don't think so. From the start I thought that TS is Front. I see no difference btw the personalities.
Yes I know, I felt the same to at the beginning.
The thing is - if TS and Front are one and the same person - what is the reason for 2 sides - I mean TS "side" is logical, religious and serious, while Front is mostly a joker who likes to play.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MaryK on January 09, 2012, 02:39:10 PM
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The thing is - if TS and Front are one and the same person - what is the reason for 2 sides - I mean TS "side" is logical, religious and serious, while Front is mostly a joker who likes to play.
Well....Doesn´t that remind you of someone.....?!  :) ;D
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 09, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
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The thing is - if TS and Front are one and the same person - what is the reason for 2 sides - I mean TS "side" is logical, religious and serious, while Front is mostly a joker who likes to play.
Well....Doesn´t that remind you of someone.....?!  :) ;D
LOL but what if it is MADE to look like it's Michael Joker Jackson?

or maybe he's thinking "in the dark it's easier to see".....
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MsTrinity333 on January 09, 2012, 02:43:28 PM
Excellent posts BeTheChange...  (and others)
It's called faith for a reason.  So the question we have to ask ourselves is; are we going to follow Moses/Michael/TS/Front/Back or not? If you want to go back to Egypt then go, but we've gone through the wilderness the last 3yrs. (a lot of us bitching & moaning just like the Israelites) I don't know about you but I'm ready to 'cross' over to the Promised land. /woohoo/

L.O.V.E. to all,
 bearhug

Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MaryK on January 09, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
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The thing is - if TS and Front are one and the same person - what is the reason for 2 sides - I mean TS "side" is logical, religious and serious, while Front is mostly a joker who likes to play.
Well....Doesn´t that remind you of someone.....?!  :) ;D
LOL but what if it is MADE to look like it's Michael Joker Jackson?
I am not only talking about the "joker" aspect.....talking about logic, seriousness, discipline, religiousness, business sense, eloquence, entertainment skills AND of course silliness and fun-loving side sometimes .....all of them...in one  respect/
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MJonmind on January 09, 2012, 04:02:06 PM
BeTheChange
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Isn't it 'freaky' how these 'religious' discussions mirror the 'bigger picture' of the hoax? It's ALL already written.


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Yes, and the end result will be so GOOD, full of love! The Wizard of Oz, and Alice in Wonderland are also good parallels to our human history, but we are oblivious to it.  There have been forces guiding us in our history--much as we'd like to think it was random--all hinging on human free will choices.  We are not alone--we are being watched/observed by unseen beings--God, E.T.'s (be they aliens, angels).


(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/mzenderserpent.jpg)


Free choice sends about 8 billion people (just a guess) over all history, to either eternal torment or nothingness (depending on your view of the afterlife), because of the situation they were born into, which was beyond their control, such as origin of country, skin color, religion, age, sex, health, wealth, status and more.  Our choices every day are influenced heavily by many things beyond our control. Our choices tend to be based on things we were exposed to by people, such as by our parents, our friends, teachers, media, churches, government, things we have read, seen, heard.  They could be based on what you had for supper last night.  We also have personalities/traits that vary-- such as follower/leader, compliant/defiant, curious/accepting without question, and many others that we were created with. 


Most importantly and condemningly, free choice says one is better than the other, because they made the right choice, and the other (stupid/misguided/deluded/unfortunate) persons did not. God is truly love (not based on allowing free choice) but because he will eventually right all wrongs and inequalities, and restore all things, when ALL is accomplished according to His divine plan. But for the moment, we are locked into the limited vision we now have-- we may only see hints, glimpses, "whispers".
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: applehead250609 on January 09, 2012, 05:19:54 PM
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Dontwalkaway
January 08, 2012, 02:00:50 AM »
Wow, Great Videos Applehead and 2Good2beTrue.   Thank you for posting them.  I want to see the film "The Exodus Conspiracy when it comes out.  It looks very very interesting and so does the work from Wyatt the archeologist.   I learned a lot from reading about the death hoax but this religion/history part is my favorite part.

We need to do this part because if we are really going to "Heal The World", we need the truth about everything including history/religion.   A lot of "truth's have been hidden/manipulated for power and control and money.   This is just another area where "the lie becomes the truth".  In the video above they said "Wyatt was arrested when he went to certain areas to find the truth".  He was following the bible.  The other archaelogists were digging in other places, not even mentioned in the bible.   

It is extremely difficult to find and spread the truth so that is why we have to do it.   I think that is one of the main reasons for the death hoax.   

lyrics from Michael that come to my mind right now,   "you got the people confused, you tell the stories you choose"  8-)   /bravo/

Love you 

Wow Dontwalk ,thank you for your superb post ,you are right about Michael's lyrics from the song PRIVACY   penguin/  bearhug !!!!!!

Quote
I didn't realize there was an Exodus conspiracy or a conspiracy regarding the ark until now.  Did all of you ?

Yes I knew and I noticed the CONSPIRACY thing not just in this case,but in many ,lol  albino/ !!!! Is like you said "A lot of "truth's have been hidden/manipulated for power and control and money"   8-) . I don't want to say too much about the The Ark of The Covenant ,but it is neither in Aksum in Ethiopia, nor Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland  ,is in another place and Michael was there in 2006 I think  :mrgreen: !!!!
Take care and a big hug for you   bearhug !!!
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarahli on January 09, 2012, 05:25:18 PM
I agree that we're here on Earth for the test of Faith and that there is free-will, absolutely. It doesn't matter what people think or believe, if they think their way is the best and only way that's okay for me...we must just follow what our hearts say because the truth lies therein. If people just lived their "faith" (and not only that) peacefully without aggression and wanting to impose things on others that would be a great thing and would have avoided a great deal of suffering and pain. In the end this is God who decide, no one else.

My belief in a nutshell … We once were all living in Heaven peacefully when Satan decided to rebel against God (free-will even in Heaven). It started a big feud amongst the heavenly community and people choosing a side -- God or the fallen angel aka the devil. We as human beings now, sided with the devil or were not sure about God being all powerful, some of us waivered, doubted a lot.
 
So God gave us a chance to redeem our souls and sent us all on Earth for the biggest test ever based primarily on Faith. Before we were sent here, we took a covenant with God and promised to follow the guidance He will send for us.

We are here and in the conditions we're in for a very good reason, God did not create all this in vain, there is a very specific purpose. Our Faith is put under the test and this is the most important thing regardless of religion. God is the same for all of us, there is only One God and He is what should unify all the people living on this beautiful Planet Earth.

Of course we don’t remember what happened when we were once in Heaven because if so then our Faith couldn’t be put under the test. Therefore I believe there is free-will and I believe that we will be held accountable for our deeds/choices on Earth. God love us and will help us in this journey, we just have to have Faith. That’s why we’re here for me. But God know better and we cannot make sense of everything because certain things are kept hidden on purpose in order to test our Faith.

I aslo agree that we cannot force Faith on someone, this is absurd. It's a personal experience, an awakening that dwells within.

I said a nutshell! LOL sorry …

Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: wishingstar on January 10, 2012, 12:35:03 AM
Wow.....I finally get back to this thread and I am once again over-whelmed by the brilliance here.  BeTheChange.....amazing thoughts and post.  I remember reading about "spiritual beings" here on forum some months ago.  What was new in that for me was that we choose this life.....really fascinating.  I wonder if that plays into the feeling of deja vu?  I experience deja vu quite a bit....it's really odd.  The whole "Why would God allow....." question has always been a great question.  Indeed, I can honestly say I have had times where I was just pissed off at God....really pissed off.  Understanding life's journey takes time and patience.  I have come to know that fully.....there is no rushing God for what you think you want in life.  God is everywhere, in everything....omnipresent always.  What I think I want is usually the wrong thing....God must have field days with me, lol.  I have also come to learn He has a sense of humor.....I truly believe that.  Although, at times His humor isn't that funny to me because I made the wrong choice....again.  We are truly children....His children.  As children, we really don't know what's best.....that's where faith has to come in for me.  Most of the time, I feel totally lost in the world....I don't understand how people can treat people so poorly, so I feel lost.  The world is really small....on God's scale.  Our freedom of choice has caused millenniums of pain for the human race.  True, we have come so far with technology (medicine, electricity, computers......the list is huge)...however, I have always felt there is so much more to go with our human spirit, our hearts, our souls.  When there is so much violence in the world, something is wrong.  We were not made for hate.  We were made for love.  Why can't people understand this?  Is it God's fault...not hardly.  It's that free choice, the freedom to know right from wrong. 
MJonmind.......nail on the head!  Great post in so many ways.......free choice was God's will for us......and look what it's done?  Violence and destruction everywhere in the world.  It's also brought about change in good ways....passion, love and knowledge have opened doorways to areas in life untouchable in the past.  Everything is a balance, everything is relative when you talk about God.  I know I fail more than I succeed in life. However, I believe what really matters to God is how many times you get back up after you fail......do you still have faith in yourself?  Without faith in yourself, how can you have faith in anything, God included. 
Perhaps that's part of the reasoning for all the light being shed on The Exodus....it's a prime example of how believing in yourself gets you through.  It's been a long, hard journey...this hoax.  We have faith that Michael is alive, yet no solid, absolute proof.  It's like crossing the Red Sea daily.  We are either going to make to the other side, or get swallowed up by doubt and tabloid headlines.  I keep crossing that Red Sea of faith....so far, so good. 
I also find it interesting that one year ago, the Jan 7th redirect was a TMZ article about the timeline of death:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=17100.0

I try to always compare the old with the new....

@applehead.......he was in Ireland and London in 2006, am I close suspicious// 

Blessing to you all..........
LOVE
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Suzy7 on January 10, 2012, 02:54:48 AM
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Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 10, 2012, 05:30:34 AM
have been away for a day or so - have started a new job yesterday, so my total, limitless forum freedom bubble has finally burst! :-(

some brilliant posts here.... havent had time to make comment. but am reading all posts in this thread.

many are great, just quickly want to mention, Be the change. enjoyed your post. also white night, have not had the pleasure of getting to know you yet. but that was a great post.




Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: fordtocarr on January 10, 2012, 08:35:08 AM
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have been away for a day or so - have started a new job yesterday, so my total, limitless forum freedom bubble has finally burst! :-(

some brilliant posts here.... havent had time to make comment. but am reading all posts in this thread.

many are great, just quickly want to mention, Be the change. enjoyed your post. also white night, have not had the pleasure of getting to know you yet. but that was a great post.





CONGRATULATIONS on the new job!!!!  I'm happy for you and miss you. 
I know what you mean about losing the freedom to sit on the forum..I'm waiting for
my new job start date.  Its' scary to think I may be working when Michael returns and
I'll MISS IT!!!  After all these years of waiting.
We'll try to keep in touch though sister!
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: applehead250609 on January 10, 2012, 10:04:17 AM
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Wow.....I finally get back to this thread and I am once again over-whelmed by the brilliance here.  BeTheChange.....amazing thoughts and post.  I remember reading about "spiritual beings" here on forum some months ago.  What was new in that for me was that we choose this life.....really fascinating.  I wonder if that plays into the feeling of deja vu?  I experience deja vu quite a bit....it's really odd.  The whole "Why would God allow....." question has always been a great question.  Indeed, I can honestly say I have had times where I was just pissed off at God....really pissed off.  Understanding life's journey takes time and patience.  I have come to know that fully.....there is no rushing God for what you think you want in life.  God is everywhere, in everything....omnipresent always.  What I think I want is usually the wrong thing....God must have field days with me, lol.  I have also come to learn He has a sense of humor.....I truly believe that.  Although, at times His humor isn't that funny to me because I made the wrong choice....again.  We are truly children....His children.  As children, we really don't know what's best.....that's where faith has to come in for me.  Most of the time, I feel totally lost in the world....I don't understand how people can treat people so poorly, so I feel lost.  The world is really small....on God's scale.  Our freedom of choice has caused millenniums of pain for the human race.  True, we have come so far with technology (medicine, electricity, computers......the list is huge)...however, I have always felt there is so much more to go with our human spirit, our hearts, our souls.  When there is so much violence in the world, something is wrong.  We were not made for hate.  We were made for love.  Why can't people understand this?  Is it God's fault...not hardly.  It's that free choice, the freedom to know right from wrong. 
MJonmind.......nail on the head!  Great post in so many ways.......free choice was God's will for us......and look what it's done?  Violence and destruction everywhere in the world.  It's also brought about change in good ways....passion, love and knowledge have opened doorways to areas in life untouchable in the past.  Everything is a balance, everything is relative when you talk about God.  I know I fail more than I succeed in life. However, I believe what really matters to God is how many times you get back up after you fail......do you still have faith in yourself?  Without faith in yourself, how can you have faith in anything, God included. 
Perhaps that's part of the reasoning for all the light being shed on The Exodus....it's a prime example of how believing in yourself gets you through.  It's been a long, hard journey...this hoax.  We have faith that Michael is alive, yet no solid, absolute proof.  It's like crossing the Red Sea daily.  We are either going to make to the other side, or get swallowed up by doubt and tabloid headlines.  I keep crossing that Red Sea of faith....so far, so good. 
I also find it interesting that one year ago, the Jan 7th redirect was a TMZ article about the timeline of death:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=17100.0

I try to always compare the old with the new....

@applehead.......he was in Ireland and London in 2006, am I close suspicious// 

Blessing to you all..........
LOVE

Hy Wish  :) ,you are close yes,it is in Ireland  bearhug !!!!!!!
Blessing to you also  :) !!!!
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: indigenousbluez on January 10, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
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I personally don’t get the feeling that they are the same people, but that both (all) are getting instruction from the same person.  The same message, but with a slightly different delivery.  No matter the messenger, the message appears to be the same, and it seems to be pointing towards who is prepared to be loyal and , trustworthy enough to follow by blind faith.  Do we believe that Michael is at the helm?  Do we believe that he is sanctioning these directs towards the awakening we were promised?  Or do we believe that we are being led into a web of deceit?   Are these real clues or are we being fed riddles and lies?  It’s up to us to decide.  Us. 

Humans by our very nature are hard pressed to believe that which we cannot see or touch.  We don’t trust easily and our faith is constantly being tested.   Maybe this is our test in Michael’s hoax.  I confess that I am not ready to say with 100% certainty that any poster on this forum is Michael Jackson.  But what I will say is that I can see some of Michael in many of the post they have made.  And since it is my sincere belief that Michael Jackson is indeed alive not only from the TIAI directs but from a whole plethora of other undisputable facts uncovered since 6/26/09, I intend to be right here waiting when he returns.  Michael loves his fans.  He would not want them to worry incessantly and would want to reassure them as best he could that he is still okay.  How better than on a forum where people have proven their allegiance to him, know he has a plan and are waiting and rallying his return?  I believe that if he is following and communicating with any forum on the net, this one would be it.  Therefore, it would not be out of the norm for him to have one or two trusted persons to impart encrypted information that those who have studied would recognize.   

Don't forget about the psychos  party/ . ok?
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 10, 2012, 10:34:28 AM
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I personally don’t get the feeling that they are the same people, but that both (all) are getting instruction from the same person.  The same message, but with a slightly different delivery.  No matter the messenger, the message appears to be the same, and it seems to be pointing towards who is prepared to be loyal and , trustworthy enough to follow by blind faith.  Do we believe that Michael is at the helm?  Do we believe that he is sanctioning these directs towards the awakening we were promised?  Or do we believe that we are being led into a web of deceit?   Are these real clues or are we being fed riddles and lies?  It’s up to us to decide.  Us. 

Humans by our very nature are hard pressed to believe that which we cannot see or touch.  We don’t trust easily and our faith is constantly being tested.   Maybe this is our test in Michael’s hoax.  I confess that I am not ready to say with 100% certainty that any poster on this forum is Michael Jackson.  But what I will say is that I can see some of Michael in many of the post they have made.  And since it is my sincere belief that Michael Jackson is indeed alive not only from the TIAI directs but from a whole plethora of other undisputable facts uncovered since 6/26/09, I intend to be right here waiting when he returns.  Michael loves his fans.  He would not want them to worry incessantly and would want to reassure them as best he could that he is still okay.  How better than on a forum where people have proven their allegiance to him, know he has a plan and are waiting and rallying his return?  I believe that if he is following and communicating with any forum on the net, this one would be it.  Therefore, it would not be out of the norm for him to have one or two trusted persons to impart encrypted information that those who have studied would recognize.   

Don't forget about the psychos  party/ . ok?
what do you mean?
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: applehead250609 on January 10, 2012, 10:50:14 AM
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have been away for a day or so - have started a new job yesterday, so my total, limitless forum freedom bubble has finally burst! :-(

some brilliant posts here.... havent had time to make comment. but am reading all posts in this thread.

many are great, just quickly want to mention, Be the change. enjoyed your post. also white night, have not had the pleasure of getting to know you yet. but that was a great post.


Hy Australian Mj ,I'm very happy for you  :) ,but in the same time I can understand why you put that sad face at the end .Not so much time for the forum  :( .If you like what you do is WONDERFUL  :) and again I'm very happy for you  bearhug .
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: indigenousbluez on January 10, 2012, 10:52:24 AM
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I personally don’t get the feeling that they are the same people, but that both (all) are getting instruction from the same person.  The same message, but with a slightly different delivery.  No matter the messenger, the message appears to be the same, and it seems to be pointing towards who is prepared to be loyal and , trustworthy enough to follow by blind faith.  Do we believe that Michael is at the helm?  Do we believe that he is sanctioning these directs towards the awakening we were promised?  Or do we believe that we are being led into a web of deceit?   Are these real clues or are we being fed riddles and lies?  It’s up to us to decide.  Us. 

Humans by our very nature are hard pressed to believe that which we cannot see or touch.  We don’t trust easily and our faith is constantly being tested.   Maybe this is our test in Michael’s hoax.  I confess that I am not ready to say with 100% certainty that any poster on this forum is Michael Jackson.  But what I will say is that I can see some of Michael in many of the post they have made.  And since it is my sincere belief that Michael Jackson is indeed alive not only from the TIAI directs but from a whole plethora of other undisputable facts uncovered since 6/26/09, I intend to be right here waiting when he returns.  Michael loves his fans.  He would not want them to worry incessantly and would want to reassure them as best he could that he is still okay.  How better than on a forum where people have proven their allegiance to him, know he has a plan and are waiting and rallying his return?  I believe that if he is following and communicating with any forum on the net, this one would be it.  Therefore, it would not be out of the norm for him to have one or two trusted persons to impart encrypted information that those who have studied would recognize.   

Don't forget about the psychos  party/ . ok?
what do you mean?

I meant that most of the informers are almost the same humans but under another username ...take care and don't believe anything..
Today, you guys prove yourself someone is fake and the very next day a new user is up..Take care  respect/
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarahli on January 10, 2012, 11:54:40 AM
The only psychos here are the people who keep coming back to spread negativity under a different user name.  :roll:
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: indigenousbluez on January 10, 2012, 12:28:04 PM
Hello again ! This is for the ones that do NOT believe the ''informers'' are the same people..

Guys , details are the key. Many try to change their writing style , also some don't even bother..
Don't let yourself fooled by any smart one , okay ? In a couple of year probably things will ''calm down''..hopefully!
And I regret disappointing some of you but the psychos DO exist, you like it or not.
Sit back and think how many informers were around 'till now..but of course y'all are free to believe it or not.
The ones that (could) know something don't need 15mins (or 2-3 year ,yeah)of fame..and most important face the fact that there are TOO many of so called informers.

Anyway I never used to post here (especially on the ''page'' of TIAI  WTF?? )..just take care and for any smart one don't worry the truth will prevail  beerchug .
P.S.: Dear staff ..have you  heard of ''IMMORTAL'' album ? :-) just sayin'... bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarahli on January 10, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
The only ones who don't believe in Front and TS are people like yourself indigenousbluez. Everyone else is entitled to make up their own mind. If you don't believe, then it's best for you to stick to other threads. NO ONE is being "forced" to read these threads by our informers. So no thank you to your "sincere" concerns for our wellbeing.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 10, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
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Hello again ! This is for the ones that do NOT believe the ''informers'' are the same people..

Guys , details are the key. Many try to change their writing style , also some don't even bother..
Don't let yourself fooled by any smart one , okay ? In a couple of year probably things will ''calm down''..hopefully!
And I regret disappointing some of you but the psychos DO exist, you like it or not.
Sit back and think how many informers were around 'till now..but of course y'all are free to believe it or not.
The ones that (could) know something don't need 15mins (or 2-3 year ,yeah)of fame..and most important face the fact that there are TOO many of so called informers.

Anyway I never used to post here (especially on the ''page'' of TIAI  WTF?? )..just take care and for any smart one don't worry the truth will prevail  beerchug .
P.S.: Dear staff ..have you  heard of ''IMMORTAL'' album ? :-) just sayin'... bearhug


Ever heard of GTFO? I am sick and tired of the same 'debunkers' coming back time and time again with a lot of mumble jumble, and none of them has any proof, only ridicule and attacks, ASSumptions and false allegations. I will boot every single 'new' user that pops up with the same nonsense. Go bore someone else please.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: bec on January 10, 2012, 12:47:48 PM
Speaking of cryptic...
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: BeTheChange on January 10, 2012, 01:16:54 PM
LMAO...speak of synchronicity.  I JUST saw this .gif for the first time and immediately wondered when/how I could post it on the forum and have it be relevant.  Opportunities just keep presenting themselves though  ;)

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2u88qs9.gif)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

These 'invalid' arguments that keep popping up from time to time, speak volumes about the 'poster', especially when they have 3 posts to the current username.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: wishingstar on January 10, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
OMGosh.....BeThe Change!  You can't do that to me.........I laughed wayyyyyyy too much at that .gif......it's so freaking true! 
Love & Hugs........from your rhythmically challenged, but full of spirit friend!  :lol:

Blessings!
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Love4Michael on January 10, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
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Ever heard of GTFO? I am sick and tired of the same 'debunkers' coming back time and time again with a lot of mumble jumble, and none of them has any proof, only ridicule and attacks, ASSumptions and false allegations. I will boot every single 'new' user that pops up with the same nonsense. Go bore someone else please.

Souza...that part made me LOL for real.  :lol:  Thanks...it was much needed. 

To me it becomes more apparent over time that what these instigators REALLY must be is closeted, frightened and/or frustrated beLIEvers.  Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise?  So which is it...hmm?  No self-respect?...Not totally sane?...Closet beLIEver?...Or the most likely scenario...they crave attention that must not be afforded to them in their daily lives and are stumped to think of a more original way of getting it.  How sad for them under any of those circumstances.  :cry: 

Note to future pot-stirrers (because unfortunately they will come):  Better bring your A game with some FACTS if you want to sling your brand of "knowledge" here.  Halfa$$ed innuendo, empty accusations and your broadly generalized negative BS ain't gonna get you anything here but the door!!!

Say Hello to Souza's Boot... 8-)
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r303/SCLady8/HOAX/ChristianLouboutinFifreSuedeAnkleBootsOrange.jpg)   
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarah31 on January 10, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
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Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise?

Just for the record - I'm just guessing, but I am probably included in your ASSumptions - I never said I have no use for all this or despise it. I said several times that I find certain things entertaining and/or interesting for several reasons that I won't list right now.

And if I ever come to a point in my life where I'm not interested in other people's opinions anymore, especially when they differ from mine, if I ever get that close minded, I'd probably shoot myself out of boredom.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: badria on January 10, 2012, 03:42:39 PM
Ok... plz read these articles....just do some research about islam.. it's THE TRUTH and THE solution!


 Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of
Muhammad , the Prophet of Islam.

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-3.htm (http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-3.htm)


Some Basic Islamic Beliefs

http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-2-1.htm (http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-2-1.htm)


 bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: SimPattyK on January 10, 2012, 03:49:25 PM
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[....]

Say Hello to Souza's Boot... 8-)
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r303/SCLady8/HOAX/ChristianLouboutinFifreSuedeAnkleBootsOrange.jpg)    [/color][/size]
LMAO (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/haha-rire-395.gif)(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/haha-rire-395.gif) I loved to read everything in this topic [except the "I am concerned about those who trust in insiders"-posts], and this "boot" just made me explode (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/haha-rire-395.gif)you even assorted it to the forum colors! hahahaaaa (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/haha-rire-395.gif)


This topic is really really really awesome!!!
Full of wisdom and enlightening messages, full of ideas that never came to me or that came to me , but I never managed to express them not even to myself! and reading some of you guys' messages , was just like when you have someone turn on the light for you only to see what you already knew was there, but couldn't fully see it because of darkness!! ;)
 To think you're not even insiders! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/c_laugh.gif) I wonder if I'm getting manipulated here or something lamo (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/lol.gif)
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: SimPattyK on January 10, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
lmao  :lol: Sorry I know it's off topic , but couldn't help myself from posting this...

[youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaXiiWUnyqg[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarahli on January 10, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
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Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise?

Just for the record - I'm just guessing, but I am probably included in your ASSumptions - I never said I have no use for all this or despise it. I said several times that I find certain things entertaining and/or interesting for several reasons that I won't list right now.

And if I ever come to a point in my life where I'm not interested in other people's opinions anymore, especially when they differ from mine, if I ever get that close minded, I'd probably shoot myself out of boredom.

You said this not so long ago:

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It's not just about the time ... I'm not all that interested in TS.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg382238#msg382238

So I am wondering why the sudden interest in TS threads? If you are accusing us of being closed-minded, then yes we are closed minded to veiled condescending, snide attacks aimed at our faith and belief in Front and TS.

This is not a matter of opinion here. 2012 is the year when Michael will be back. Therefore we have come to a point where there is no need or time for debates about the authenticity of our informers. Or you believe they are genuine and proven authentic or you don’t and let people who do move forward and not waste precious time on endless innuendos that lead to nowhere.

TS/Front is/are authentic. PERIOD.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarah31 on January 10, 2012, 04:21:55 PM
It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed, so as far as this tiny part of the world or internet goes, you are right.

Also, if I'm not all that interested in TS, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions and certain posts in all kinds of threads here. Or that I'm not entertained by them. TS is not the only poster on this forum or in his threads.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: mm on January 10, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Sorry to do this to you all, and it really pains me to say it, but this place has become a joke. The title is misleading, you should change it from 'Death Hoax Investigators' to 'Really Desperate People'. I thought the whole point of an investigation was to cover all and any sides to what is being 'investigated', but alas we instead have miss Souza being unable to bear the prospect of someone even mentioning an opposing opinion, and along comes the banhammer. Call it what you will, say you're only doing it to keep 'the thread clean', but it's still the same thing and the stink has been going off for some time now. I came here seeking truth, not some soppy, idolizing dramedy. Unfortunately though, it seems no one wants to think with their brains. Just thought I'd let you know how I see it after being an avid reader for a year or so. Goodbye.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: curls on January 10, 2012, 04:55:20 PM
Goodbye, Metamorphman. And for the record I, for one, am not a 'really desperate person'. I am confident in what I believe, in what I know.  I have obviously come to a different conclusion in my (nearly) two years here, from you in your year of 'avid reading'. That's all, that's the bottom line.  Why, having decided you don't agree with what investigations, and using our brains, have led to, didn't you just leave quietly?  There was no need to be rude and insulting. You did that just for the drama and attention - and hey, well done, you got mine!

Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MJonmind on January 10, 2012, 04:58:24 PM

Metamorphman, I guess you're happy you're getting all this attention!
I don't understand why you hang around here, if you don't like the results of our digging/thinking. Goodbye and good luck! 
It's not even so much that you disagree with TS/Front being Michael, but it's your patronizing tone like you're so smart and we're so dumb.  So no question you're just another common garden-variety 'shit-stirrer'.


Souza, you and Bec are just the best for keeping the forum pest-free! /bravo/ 
(we can all be pests sometimes ::P to someone in our lives)



This is beLIEver's turf, so naturally we will defend it against empty-handed naysayers.  What gets me is their arguments against TS/Front are ones we have thoroughly hashed over so LONG ago, and mostly resolved.  However if they want to be helpful, why not bring helpful discussion in a more forward approach, into new 'frontiers'.  Be on the cutting edge, rather than a dragging foot slowing progress.

Love the boot Love4Michael!  Classy too! :lol:   


Badria, thank you for posting those sites! I've put them on my 'to read' list.  I've come across the comparison of Muhammad and Moses before. My knowledge of Islam is very limited though I have done a little study and read portions of the Koran. TS made reference to the Exodus story in the Koran, but other than that he has focused on the Bible which is why I've not needed to learn more, at least for now.
Edit: It was Front, not TS--same person IMO :lol:

Quote
The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).


AustralianBeLIEverMJ, and Fordtocarr, congrats on the new jobs, and I hope you still manage some time for the forum!


For the ones engaging with me on the topic or freewill or not, I hope we're still friends at the end of the day.  We have so much more in common than not.  We are so complex as humans, and the number of separate beliefs we have about various things numbers in the hundreds, maybe thousands.  Mathematically thats a lot of combinations possible!  I may be very much the minority in my belief of no free will, but that's okay with me, since I've always been a bit weird. geek/
I do love you all!
 bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: PureLove on January 10, 2012, 05:02:45 PM
Pls allow me to use this new smiley for all of us to these so called "new" attackers.

 *FU*

That smiley was not big enough for you? Then EAT THIS!

(http://patchstop.com/images/products/large_1028_PGS8238_-_Fuck_You_Middle_Finger_Hands.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: SimPattyK on January 10, 2012, 05:03:40 PM
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It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed[...][...]
If only one opinion had been allowed, then you should have been banned from the very first message where you said you disagree with general opinion here.

I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words.  How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!

I was never THAT "worried and concerned" for the MJ- mourners forums, not as much as to go there and insist as much as you do here. I would never go there and try so hard to show them how "worried I am for their well being" or to demonstrate to them how "manipulated they are!" or just to repeat a hundred times: "I have the right to an opinion!" and then complain: "Don't attack me because I have a different opinion!" it's rather ridiculous and useless, really! I never needed to go exercise "my right to an opinion" on Mj-mourners forums!

Instead, you seem to have a desperate desperate need to do it here! And when I say YOU, I'm not referring just to you, sarah31, but to all those like you loll
You are free to express yourselves, yes, but always expect to be ridiculed when you insist like that and when you become suspiciously "interested" in making your point at any price!

I believed in your sincerity , Sarah31 up to a point where you really seeded doubt in me with your insistence. I didn't attack you that first time I addressed to you and I didn't attack you this time either. I treated you with respect and tolerance, which you seem to lack with regards to people here. To say that you are "entertained" by reading conflicting discussions, is not really a nice attitude, sarah31. So please stop accusing people here of things that you, yourself DO! I just "expressed my point of view"! which is VERY different from yours. This is not an attack. it's just a different point of view. And I am not the only one who told you this.\
Do you think you can face the fact that we simply DISAGREE? Please try! Thank you.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: curls on January 10, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
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It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed, so as far as this tiny part of the world or internet goes, you are right.

Also, if I'm not all that interested in TS, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions and certain posts in all kinds of threads here. Or that I'm not entertained by them. TS is not the only poster on this forum or in his threads.

And while I'm at it, opinions are 'allowed', but as in life away from the computer screen, common courtesy, politeness, respect and thoughfulness are the tools with which they will be welcomed and listened to. 
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MJonmind on January 10, 2012, 05:12:46 PM
SimPattyK
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I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words.  How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!


I was never THAT "worried and concerned" for the MJ- mourners forums, not as much as to go there and insist as much as you do here. I would never go there and try so hard to show them how "worried I am for their well being" or to demonstrate to them how "manipulated they are!" or just to repeat a hundred times: "I have the right to an opinion!" and then complain: "Don't attack me because I have a different opinion!" it's rather ridiculous and useless, really! I never needed to go exercise "my right to an opinion" on Mj-mourners forums!


Exactly! ;D
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarah31 on January 10, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
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And while I'm at it, opinions are 'allowed', but as in life away from the computer screen, common courtesy, politeness, respect and thoughfulness are the tools with which they will be welcomed and listened to. 

Wrong. Sarahli just said "it's not a matter of opinion" and the new Back/Front thread specifically states that questioning if Front is legit is not allowed in any way. Which is fine with me because it speaks for itself. But why, when it is clearly stated, are there tons of people denying it?
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarah31 on January 10, 2012, 05:26:17 PM
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If only one opinion had been allowed, then you should have been banned from the very first message where you said you disagree with general opinion here.

I was banned for a couple of days a while back.

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I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words.  How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!

I guess you haven't seen how much they are bashed on here sometimes? Also, you would never see me wishing death on anyone, which includes Murray. And other than that ... I'm here to find the truth and I know I came pretty close.

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To say that you are "entertained" by reading conflicting discussions, is not really a nice attitude, sarah31

Oh, really? Then what's with the people who are saying that he hoaxed his death just or mostly for entertainment? So being entertained is a bad thing? Did you ever read bec's signature?

P.S. And I forgot to say ... I never said that I'm entertained by reading conflicting discussions, I'm entertained by all kinds of things on here and the one you mentioned is not really one of them.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: fordtocarr on January 10, 2012, 05:29:05 PM
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It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed, so as far as this tiny part of the world or internet goes, you are right.

Also, if I'm not all that interested in TS, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions and certain posts in all kinds of threads here. Or that I'm not entertained by them. TS is not the only poster on this forum or in his threads.

I think how you are feeling is tooooooo bad.  I also think is one reason why we've lose members over time...or some have not posted as much as others.  If you don't follow a certain belief or thought or present a different view...you are deleted...condemned...ideas dismissed.
Family,  we gathered here for MICHAEL, not to glorify someone who may be giving clues to us.  It would be like the Israelites worshiping Moses because he was the one JAH used to deliver the commandments and lead the people and give the Romans the "curses".
The world is full of thinkers, what if we all followed the same "song"??  There'd be no more music....
Why can't we just agree that we are grateful for whatever clues we get and that we may not agree with the clue, but that we are all here to search for the truth.  In the END, we will see who was who.
 
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarahli on January 10, 2012, 05:36:02 PM
When people dismiss the facts and categorize people who do see them as closed-minded or whatever else, then one has to wonder about their true motives.

The “no opinions are allowed” is just a tactic. This is not true, opinions are allowed in this forum but empty accusations and veiled mocking no. One just has to RBTL.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: SimPattyK on January 10, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
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If only one opinion had been allowed, then you should have been banned from the very first message where you said you disagree with general opinion here.
I was banned for a couple of days a while back.
The fact that you are still here, posting and posting is a proof in itself that you were not banned for having "expressed a different opinion", but most probably for some other reason, which becomes clearer to me the more I read you!

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I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words.  How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!
I guess you haven't seen how much they are bashed on here sometimes? 
This was not even the point of the paragraph that you quoted above^^

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I'm here to find the truth and I know I came pretty close.
Well then I am truly happy for you. You should have found that beloved interior peace. But still something in you contradicts your words with your actions.

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To say that you are "entertained" by reading conflicting discussions, is not really a nice attitude, sarah31
Oh, really? Then what's with the people who are saying that he hoaxed his death just or mostly for entertainment?
Yeah, really. In my opinion, those people, just like you, missed the true scope of the hoax which is clearly not "just for entertainment".
The "entertainment part" is Michael's way of expressing his original sense of humor with regards to those who gave him hard times all his life! The hoax has different layers, most of them deal with important existential matters, but some of them are intended to mock and ridicule, those who hurt Michael. Sarah31, you either missed the whole series of "V for vendetta" clues or you just pretend not to understand the "entertainment -part" of the hoax.

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So being entertained is a bad thing?
Yes, when you say it as ironically as you do.
This was about you, don't try to extrapolate it to the general aspect. ---)) "being entertained" of course is not a bad thing if we talk about it like that. But the way you said you were "entertained" here was really rude.
You see, i can understand that you think I am an inferior person to you, intellectually.
But can you understand , just for a second, that maybe I am not that stupid as you think I am? Please do yourself a good and reflect on this for a few moments ;)

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Did you ever read bec's signature?
Yes, actually I did read it and I think it refers to what I explained above ^^
But you see, in my opinion, it's not really bec's signature that bothers you here ;) and I'll say no more... enough is enough. Now I really understood what you're after here: provocation and "entertainment" out of it.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarah31 on January 10, 2012, 06:02:32 PM
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I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words.  How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!

I guess you haven't seen how much they are bashed on here sometimes? 
This was not even the point of the paragraph that you quoted above^^

Read the last sentence of your paragraph, I was commenting on that.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Sarahli on January 10, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
@S31 Wow, you are still here? I have to agree with the people who said it's becoming clear about your true motives. You are obsessed with Front and TS and can't stay away from their threads.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: fordtocarr on January 10, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
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Metamorphman, I guess you're happy you're getting all this attention!
I don't understand why you hang around here, if you don't like the results of our digging/thinking. Goodbye and good luck! 
It's not even so much that you disagree with TS/Front being Michael, but it's your patronizing tone like you're so smart and we're so dumb.  So no question you're just another common garden-variety 'shit-stirrer'.


Souza, you and Bec are just the best for keeping the forum pest-free! /bravo/ 
(we can all be pests sometimes ::P to someone in our lives)



This is beLIEver's turf, so naturally we will defend it against empty-handed naysayers.  What gets me is their arguments against TS/Front are ones we have thoroughly hashed over so LONG ago, and mostly resolved.  However if they want to be helpful, why not bring helpful discussion in a more forward approach, into new 'frontiers'.  Be on the cutting edge, rather than a dragging foot slowing progress.

Love the boot Love4Michael!  Classy too! :lol:   


Badria, thank you for posting those sites! I've put them on my 'to read' list.  I've come across the comparison of Muhammad and Moses before. My knowledge of Islam is very limited though I have done a little study and read portions of the Koran. TS made reference to the Exodus story in the Koran, but other than that he has focused on the Bible which is why I've not needed to learn more, at least for now.
Edit: It was Front, not TS--same person IMO :lol:

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The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).


AustralianBeLIEverMJ, and Fordtocarr, congrats on the new jobs, and I hope you still manage some time for the forum!

Thank YOU!!!!!  (While waiting for the job to start, I get another interview...now I have decisions to make :)  NICE :)


For the ones engaging with me on the topic or freewill or not, I hope we're still friends at the end of the day.  We have so much more in common than not.  We are so complex as humans, and the number of separate beliefs we have about various things numbers in the hundreds, maybe thousands.  Mathematically thats a lot of combinations possible!  I may be very much the minority in my belief of no free will, but that's okay with me, since I've always been a bit weird. geek/
I do love you all!
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Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: BeTheChange on January 10, 2012, 06:46:14 PM
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Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: SimPattyK on January 10, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
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[...]I think how you are feeling is tooooooo bad.  I also think is one reason why we've lose members over time...or some have not posted as much as others.  If you don't follow a certain belief or thought or present a different view...you are deleted...condemned...ideas dismissed.
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Please don't fall into her tactics. I also felt sorry for her , few days ago when I first addressed to her. I really thought she was here with good intentions, to learn and understand things, to find truth. You can search the messages in the topic that was closed.
Then , just by reading her messages, i understood she just plays the "victim- role" very good. You have the proof in the messages above ^^

As for what you said about losing members from time to time, I completely agree. I also passed through some really bad moments here and I felt injustice towards me. But I tried to put them aside and moved on! With the help of some really great friends here who always supported and encouraged me in private. Which I am deeply grateful for! Love you guys!  bearhug

But let's just not mix things here. This is really not the same case.
We may have some internal troubles here. It's normal! just name one family that doesn't have fights from time to time! the same with our hoax-family here ;)

But when it comes to external attacks, clearly intended to provoke scandals and create dissensions between us, masked under  a superior and "careful, worried" attitude  of the type "I just want to express my opinion", "You are being manipulated", "Please don't attack me", repeated over and over, then we should  react!
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 10, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
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Pls allow me to use this new smiley for all of us to these so called "new" attackers.

 *FU*

That smiley was not big enough for you? Then EAT THIS!

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Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: anewfan on January 10, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
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Ever heard of GTFO? I am sick and tired of the same 'debunkers' coming back time and time again with a lot of mumble jumble, and none of them has any proof, only ridicule and attacks, ASSumptions and false allegations. I will boot every single 'new' user that pops up with the same nonsense. Go bore someone else please.

Souza...that part made me LOL for real.  :lol:  Thanks...it was much needed. 

To me it becomes more apparent over time that what these instigators REALLY must be is closeted, frightened and/or frustrated beLIEvers.  Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise?  So which is it...hmm?  No self-respect?...Not totally sane?...Closet beLIEver?...Or the most likely scenario...they crave attention that must not be afforded to them in their daily lives and are stumped to think of a more original way of getting it.  How sad for them under any of those circumstances.  :cry: 

Note to future pot-stirrers (because unfortunately they will come):  Better bring your A game with some FACTS if you want to sling your brand of "knowledge" here.  Halfa$$ed innuendo, empty accusations and your broadly generalized negative BS ain't gonna get you anything here but the door!!!

Say Hello to Souza's Boot... 8-)
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Are you the forum bodyguard? It seems like you mainly show up to back up the posse. I guess everyone has a role to play.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: bec on January 10, 2012, 09:14:42 PM
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What is it that intrigues you so much that you can't get TIAI and Front out of your head? Is it because your instincts tell you exactly what so many of us KNOW to be the truth? It almost has to be that, why else would you be so seemingly obsessed (like we are)?

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No you're obsessed with TIAI and Front, which is why you read these threads to be able to reply to anyone at all. Obsessed. Same as we are. Admit it.

Either that or you're obsessed with creating drama. I'd like to think it's not that.

Sarah31, your continued presence on these threads has confirmed which one it is.

Ps. if different opinions were cause for exclusion from this board, I'd never have lasted, much less been made mod.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: RK on January 10, 2012, 09:32:38 PM
Different opinions are not frowned upon here...however, the attitude that they are delivered with is the culprit. If you must, state your differences in a nice way that has the elements of kindness and respect...in other words....with a good attitude, then you would see this is so. You can never control everything said and done towards you,  but it is in your power  how you react to it. There is also lessons to be learned in this hoax in the area of character development. Such as stating your opinion once, then being gracious and mannerly enough to not continue to drive home your same point page after page. Now for a personal plea. Please be considerate. I am on shift work, suffer from not enough sleep and my time is precious. Don't waste it on me by making me read through pages of off topic pot stirring. Now can we get back to the topic?
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 10, 2012, 09:53:10 PM
There are a few members here that are seriously on my shit list and that is NOT because they have a different opinion. Maybe you remember the differences of opinion I have had with other members on here, who have NOT been booted (except for a couple of days maybe to cool off)? I don't care about opinions, I care about attitude. And if your sole purpose here is to hijack threads you have no interest in anyway, stirring up the pot and deliberately starting catfights because you feel like it, then you can leave, involuntarily if needed. Everyone is welcome here with whatever opinion, but I spent years trying to keep this forum on track (and who the fuck are any of you that the members on here are not investigating or using their brain???) and I do not allow continuous attacks at me or any other member because you don't like how I handle this forum. If you go to a bar and you don't like the atmosphere there, you leave and go to another bar. If you don't like this forum, you go to another forum, or if you know it all so well, start your own.

Now back on topic.

Thank you.
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: MJonmind on January 11, 2012, 03:35:24 AM
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Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 11, 2012, 03:40:18 AM
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have been away for a day or so - have started a new job yesterday, so my total, limitless forum freedom bubble has finally burst! :-(

some brilliant posts here.... havent had time to make comment. but am reading all posts in this thread.

many are great, just quickly want to mention, Be the change. enjoyed your post. also white night, have not had the pleasure of getting to know you yet. but that was a great post.





CONGRATULATIONS on the new job!!!!  I'm happy for you and miss you. 
I know what you mean about losing the freedom to sit on the forum..I'm waiting for
my new job start date.  Its' scary to think I may be working when Michael returns and
I'll MISS IT!!!  After all these years of waiting.
We'll try to keep in touch though sister!

friends for life my dear x

spk soon.



@ apple. thanks for your kind sentiments. lucky for me i love what i do.

i dont believe in living life any other way
Title: Re: TIAI January 7
Post by: WhiteNight on January 13, 2012, 03:20:07 AM
Australian MJ Believer: I’m glad that you enjoyed the post. Lol I will try to post more but I get so frustrated with all the ranting. I will NEVER leave this forum though. I always read more than I post. I send you LOVE and LIGHT! <3

RK: Thank you so much for saying that. I agree with you. Many of us value our time and it’s very precious to us. And I’ll go ahead and quote part of my last post (as guilty as I feel about posting it…but there are some things that just have to be said…..AGAIN):

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What I fail to understand is this>>>  If people feel like they are being played, WTF are they still hanging around here for? I’m sorry for saying something so vulgar and I know I never say anything about this but…damn! Why do we always have to keep spinning our wheels and going back to the same damn shit OVER AND OVER again by constantly reiterating what has already been proven!? WTF!!!! If you don’t believe, you don’t belong!!! That’s the bottom line! And if people want to bitch about these things, then they should make another thread and keep that stuff off of the redirect threads. I don’t want to read rants and debates concerning whether TS and FRONT are legit or not. (edit)>>OR DEBATING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE!(end of edit) It’s a distraction and a BIG waste of time! I want to read interesting research and stuff that has to do with the message and redirects damn it!!!!!


Souza: I really do appreciate all that you do. I would imagine that it’s tough to have to put up with all of the BS that flies around here. It’s really sad that we all have to deal with this. I have NEVER felt restricted here at all, even when I don’t agree with some of the things that are being discussed. I have an open mind though and I am willing to entertain EVERY possibility without accepting it as truth. But I agree with you. Attitude plays a really big role in how opinions are received.  If people state their opinion arrogantly or discourteously, there is bound to be some backlash, and this should not come as a surprise. 

MJonmind: LOL!!! Talk about $#!+ stirring! That picture is priceless! Thanks for posting it! You made my night!

As for the topic:

It would be very important to remember that the Israelites were going in circles for 40 years because of their murmuring and unwillingness to follow God’s laws! Joshua was the one that led them to the Promised Land, not Moses. And they didn’t get there until ALL of the unbelievers died off.  The entire generation, (with the exception of two <Joshua and Caleb>) that was delivered from Egypt expired before they could reach the Promised Land.

I think it’s time for us to shed some dead skin…LOL
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