Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2012 => Topic started by: rswilley2011 on January 02, 2012, 11:03:58 PM
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Why would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.
If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”.
What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.
Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.
How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.
The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.
We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far.
BeTheChange:
It also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.
Very well said, I agree with you.
Quote from: MissG
Imo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?
First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.
Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different.
I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note.
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebay-michael-jackson-note.jpg)
Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: (http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2959/bestofyouj.jpg)
So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381166#msg381166
NOTE: IDK if this is the redirect for January 2nd or 3rd since I just signed on tonight, so I'm assuming it is the 3rd
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Wow!!!! TS has redirected to a great post in the BACK thread...and what a post !
I think this is pretty significant guys.
respect/ mj_dance/
(p.s - I think it's the redirect for January 2nd as TS posts on US Pacific Time and it's still January 2nd there)
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You are right Adi. A zinger of a redirect that says a whole lot. Thanks TS for making it as plain as possible.
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/bravo/I liked this post the first time I read it. Great post Sarahli.
Hee Hee it is significant Adi. TS finally acknowleged Front. :mrgreen:
This is gonna get good. Thanks TS.
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First I just want to say....Hi Michael bearhug
lolol/ And second...the posts that TS redirected to are great posts and @Im_convicedmjalive...I agree, it is significant that TS has acknowledged Front
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I agree that it was a great post by Sarahli...loved it the first time I read it, love it even more now that TS redirected to it lol. @Sarahli /bravo/
I also agree to its significance because I have been waiting for what feels like eons for TS and/or Front to acknowledge the other 'screen-name'...in some fashion (either in support or to tell the other to 'bugger off' lol). Nothing TS writes (or redirects to) is 'random'...and he didn't have to pick a post that specifically mentioned Front (he didn't have to pick any post at all and just not have done a redirect). But he chose this one....and while I'm sure he chose it for several reasons (again, great post Sarahli on several levels)...I think the redirect he chose also answers that long asked/thought question among members.
@TS....Thanks for confirming the message(s) in Sarahli's post...it means a lot ::P
With L.O.V.E. always.
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as I understand this - TS is validating Front
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Great redirect - thanks TS!
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/bravo/I liked this post the first time I read it. Great post Sarahli.
Hee Hee it is significant Adi. TS finally acknowleged Front. :mrgreen:
This is gonna get good. Thanks TS.
Yes I agree - when I first read this post by Sarahli I thought it was brilliant on so many levels and addressed alot of issues.
Now for TS to be redirecting to this specific post in which is discussed the following: Michael reading the Forums and trying to communicate with us, Front and also the handwriting piece which Front posted (which is so much like Michael's handwriting).......well it's also something which I have been hoping would happen too. An acknowledgement of the TS/Front connection alot of us think/feel exists.
It's the first time it has happened over all these months and as you say RK...it's a zinger which says a whole lot to us!!!!
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Woohoo, if you guys and girls only knew how priviliged i feel for being here. offtopic but i noticed how you all really carry out the love, for respecting others, and they're opinions.
I bet Michael is very proud of you all, i know i would be proud if i where him.
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humm... I like this! I have a good feeling about this!
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Wow this is great! It gives me such a great feeling inside! respect/
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Adi
Now for TS to be redirecting to this specific post in which is discussed the following: Michael reading the Forums and trying to communicate with us, Front and also the handwriting piece which Front posted (which is so much like Michael's handwriting).......well it's also something which I have been hoping would happen too. An acknowledgement of the TS/Front connection alot of us think/feel exists.
Awesome redirect TS! You say so much without saying a word!!!
Wow this is great! It gives me such a great feeling inside! respect/
Lots of warm fuzzies!! And I'm smiling big!
This indirect/third person communication method is unique, but still effective! :lol:
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Actually we were suspecting Front was TS from months ago.
So different personalities displayed....sorry but I can't help noticing this.
29 the date of birth for MJ 2+9=11 ....11 may show a split personality....of course I have no authority in this field.
I hope time will reveal the truth.
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Front and Back ... interesting
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The art of how to manipulate is a good art when you in a subtle manner and still enough mature and intelligent as to do so in such a way that does not harm anyone,... " when the goal of manipulation is for a good cause
It is definitely the letter of Michael, That is what you want to say TS
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6784/truthwillprevial.png)
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@ Sarahli,
please believe me if I tell you that you are one of the most rational members around here and I really enjoy your posts. Thank you and God bless you respect/
@ Michael,
Man, I knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are among us and you are communicating with us!!!! Well, enjoy your stay and God bless you!
@ TS,
thanks for the redirect. I think it's an answer for so many questions!
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WOW! Thank you everyone for your sweet comments. I LOVE YOU! I was so shocked and pleasantly surprised to see this redirect today.
It's made my year! /woohoo/
I am just as excited as all of you. This is pretty major and a great way to kick off this SPECIAL New Year of 2012. I know we have had a quiet period since the end of the trial, but I believe there are many surprises waiting for us this year. FAITH works and faith is rewarded and in the hands of faith, miracles unfold.
It seems evident to me that “someone” who has been on this forum for a VERY long time is finally getting the “go ahead” to CONFIRM what we have believed here about Front’s authenticity. /woohoo/
We already had all the “clues” posted on the Back thread, the Family confirmations from Toya, Paris and Jermaine, the tweets, the clue about the missing “N” on official MJ FaceBook page, and now we have TS’s confirmation too about Front’s handwritten note that he gifted us for Christmas. respect/
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6784/truthwillprevial.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.5925
party/
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TS and Front SEEM to be different persons by the way they write...also I remember a cube has 6 sides. If each side means another personality then I give up - I will never be able to know/understand such a complex person and his/hers motivations. How is it to never be sure who he/she really is :(...
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Another interesting redirect TS........the writing seems to be on the wall. However, if there is one thing I have learned about you....there is usually more to a redirect than the obvious. So, that being said......what is it about these notes in particular?
I am especially interested in the one that talks about London. As far as I can tell, after Sarahli posted that original post with the notes.....suspicious mind was the only one who asked about this note. She got no response as far as I can tell. Then Front posted on Jan1 and the thread was mostly that. She quoted the exact same post on Dec 31 and asked:
"has it been mentioned that the stationary on this note from june is kliens office?"
I am just now catching that this note is from his office as well. There are 3 main sections of the note:
1) asking if someone is in london.....international.....#12345 albums and single
2) a list of things to do...including make huge $
3) a note about who's doing a sculpture for a Halloween special
-if you follow the folds of the crumpled up paper, you get to a name on back: Tim * it would seem this is addressed possibly to man named Tim. There is also what looks like a drink ring on the back...wine?
Maybe it's not the note, but the seller of the note on the auction: september_10
September 10, 2001 was the 30th Anniversary at Madison Square Garden (correct?) also the day before 9/11 attacks.
It would seem to be that this note was put out in public for a purpose.....what might that be? How did this note come to be in the hands of this september_10 seller? If it's a random person that picked it out of the trash, why september_10?
As for the date of December 23, 2010 (the end date of the auction) several things popped up of interest. However, on YouTube that day, there was a digitally remastered video of, "Elizabeth, I love you" with a RIP (I will just give a link):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8nUg1VcSh4
It was uploaded by: DiegoMJDHBrasil
Here is a link to an article about the note specifically:
http://www.examiner.com/tabloid-headlines-in-national/michael-jackson-handwritten-note-sells-for-thousands-on-ebay-photos
Anyways....probably way off track here. However, no stone unturned, right?
Have a great day TS.......thank you for the redirects....always a pleasure suspicious// :lol:
Happy New Year too!
Blessings Always
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I've been trying to catch up on the back thread for the past few months. Thank you TS!!
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Thank you. I have never lost hope and believe in the seriousness of what he's doing.
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Sarahli summarized a couple of good points perfectly. /bravo/ girl. I wish everyone could understand that this is not all for a M.O.V.I.E. TS explained it a couple of times and he redirected to Sarahli's post where she wrote plain simple that this is not just for fun purposes. Sarahli also wrote that the writing Front posted belongs to Michael, so this redirect is another confirmation of the writing belongs to Michael. Thank you for the redirect TS. I must admit that I was missing the redirects of yours. :mrgreen:
P.S: I've always known that our King is watching us. ;) Love You.
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MJ sure is a bored fella.
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MJ sure is a bored fella.
As much as you are. :lol:
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This redirect speaks volumes.
with L.O.V.E.
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@ TS
thank you for redirecting us to the back thread. it was good to review this post.
would also like to put it out there that many of us are still WAITING VERY EAGERLY for you to WRAP up LEVEL 7. (no we havent forgotten :lol: :lol: :lol:)
although we understand patience is of the essence, just thought i'd put it out there that several members here have not forgotten about it and are anticipating a post from you
respect/
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MJ sure is a bored fella.
:lol: So then there's something interesting happening for us, every time he gets bored? /cook/
Sarahli
It seems evident to me that “someone” who has been on this forum for a VERY long time is finally getting the “go ahead” to CONFIRM what we have believed here about Front’s authenticity.
Why would he give himself the go-ahead? ;)
Wishingstar, I remember the discussion on that London note (if someone could find the thread). Don't know if there was any consensus. Also that Best Of Joy lyrics was supposedly written on the back of the "Things to do today" notepad that a fan had given MJ as he entered the gate on the 24th. The thinking was that MJ must be alive to have written AND sung the song for the 'Michael' album. But then Sharon Sidney maintains that MJ was kidnapped, and is held hostage to continue writing and singing songs. errrr :lol: Maybe that's why Front's been sending us snippets of music... :cry:
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Hey MJonmind.......
Thank you so much for the info.......I did a quick search, and bingo:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=16708.0
I searched the wrong thing earlier......I think my mind freezes up at times, lol.
It's interesting this note has been so dissected. It was thoroughly discussed and is really fun to go back and read. So many people are still here, so many we have not heard from in long time.
I noticed too about the "Things To Do Today" paper...I had no idea about the notepad from a fan. I don't know how to prove that, but it would make total sense if that's the same paper. I find it really interesting that things we have discussed and picked apart always seem to some forward again. Timing has a lot to do with things, I feel.
Thanks again for the info...it was just the right prompt at the right time......great teamwork ;)
Blessings Always
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Why would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.
If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”.
What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.
Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.
How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.
The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.
We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far.
BeTheChange:
It also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.
Very well said, I agree with you.
Quote from: MissG
Imo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?
First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.
Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different.
I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note.
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebay-michael-jackson-note.jpg)
Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: (http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2959/bestofyouj.jpg)
So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381166#msg381166
NOTE: IDK if this is the redirect for January 2nd or 3rd since I just signed on tonight, so I'm assuming it is the 3rd
Now wait just a cotton pickin second here.
I realize that when TS redirects to a post he is echoing (or validating) a PORTION of that post... NOT NECCESSARILY the entire post... but does everyone realize that?
Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post.
Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one. He PLANNED this... painstakingly and lovingly planned this for DECADES. How do you take a life's work like that and change it at the last second to add DEATH to the HOAX and pull it off like this? (in the advent someone poses this scenario to that question) I am having difficulty brainstorming that possibility. In fact, I don't believe that for a second. This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.
Blah blah blah you know how I do...
Point is, he redirected to a loooooooong post.
Just to refresh your memory, check the date on this post of mine from the TIAI December 26 thread:
No doubt he's alive.
I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.
He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?
This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.
But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21759.msg380925#msg380925
which is EXACTLY what he did. Which I find hysterical. Heeeeee, TS, you kill me. I actually feel more like hugging you then strangling you now. That's a much needed attitude adjustment, thank you.
(and ps. @TS, I'm sorry for wanting to strangle you. All things considered, I hope you understand.)
pps. @PureLove, you could just save yourself some typing and just write "bec" instead of "some people" in your posts. We all know you mean me. Lol.
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But then Sharon Sidney maintains that MJ was kidnapped, and is held hostage to continue writing and singing songs. errrr :lol: Maybe that's why Front's been sending us snippets of music... :cry:
(http://www.littlenuttreetoys.co.uk/toyshop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/d44ac1f57031cd1a9331cfe5dcfd6c03/t/v/tv362-prisoner-cage.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes...they only let him out of his cage every once and awhile and he can only use GarageBand :lol:
With L.O.V.E. always.
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But then Sharon Sidney maintains that MJ was kidnapped, and is held hostage to continue writing and singing songs. errrr :lol: Maybe that's why Front's been sending us snippets of music... :cry:
(http://www.littlenuttreetoys.co.uk/toyshop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/d44ac1f57031cd1a9331cfe5dcfd6c03/t/v/tv362-prisoner-cage.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes...they only let him out of his cage every once and awhile and he can only use GarageBand :lol:
With L.O.V.E. always.
Well wiggle my hips elvis_/ and flip my fedora mj_dance/
we have ourselves a backstory to end all backstories.......
good one BeTheChange suspicious// :lol: :shock:
hummmm, have we played these snippets backwards :lol:
I'll go now......
thanks again Front, thanks again BTC......you're awesome!
Blessings Always
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@WishingStar...LMAO! OMGosh that was funny...and couldn't have come at a better moment :lol: You always manage to make me laugh...I'm still laughing :lol:
And you realize you thanked Front in a 'TS thread'...was that intentional or a Freudian slip? lol It doesn't really matter...something tells me TS will pass on the message ;)
"Have we played the snippets backwards"...(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/bonniebee2003/emoticons/assoff.gif)
With L.O.V.E. always.
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@WishingStar...LMAO! OMGosh that was funny...and couldn't have come at a better moment :lol: You always manage to make me laugh...I'm still laughing :lol:
And you realize you thanked Front in a 'TS thread'...was that intentional or a Freudian slip? lol It doesn't really matter...something tells me TS will pass on the message ;)
"Have we played the snippets backwards"...(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/bonniebee2003/emoticons/assoff.gif)
With L.O.V.E. always.
OMGosh.....I did, didn't I? :lol: I hope to goodness Michael's having a good laugh right about now...nothing would make me happier! I am easily mixed up.....and happily so. One of them said ignorance is bliss........if so, I am freaking blissful as heck :lol:
I have an idea.....I am going to now print off both TS and Front's posts and hold them up to a mirror......read them backwards....oooooo, there's one for the books! Freud would have a field day with me.......I'd reduce him to tears and he'd hide in the corner shaking in fear of mixed up blondes everywhere! /pull hair/ Blondes can't be that smart /pull hair/
(he'd seemed to say)
BTW......did your butt fall off? The emoticon? Never saw that one....too funny!
Blessings to you my friend!
LOVE
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Now wait just a cotton pickin second here.
I realize that when TS redirects to a post he is echoing (or validating) a PORTION of that post... NOT NECCESSARILY the entire post... but does everyone realize that?
Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post.
Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one. He PLANNED this... painstakingly and lovingly planned this for DECADES. How do you take a life's work like that and change it at the last second to add DEATH to the HOAX and pull it off like this? (in the advent someone poses this scenario to that question) I am having difficulty brainstorming that possibility. In fact, I don't believe that for a second. This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.
Blah blah blah you know how I do...
Point is, he redirected to a loooooooong post.
Just to refresh your memory, check the date on this post of mine from the TIAI December 26 thread:
No doubt he's alive.
I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.
He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?
This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.
But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21759.msg380925#msg380925
which is EXACTLY what he did. Which I find hysterical. Heeeeee, TS, you kill me. I actually feel more like hugging you then strangling you now. That's a much needed attitude adjustment, thank you.
(and ps. @TS, I'm sorry for wanting to strangle you. All things considered, I hope you understand.)
pps. @PureLove, you could just save yourself some typing and just write "bec" instead of "some people" in your posts. We all know you mean me. Lol.
Bec, you have no idea how much you help TS get away with anything and look clean no matter what the discussion turns out into.
Saying this, you practically give him an open window to say "yes, indeed, I wasn't referring to Front's authenticity. I redirected only for the part in which was mentioned the long-time planning frame."
Considering the scandal that started in BACK's thread, with the risk to have people believe TS is also in the same bucket IN CASE Front will be proved a fake and a liar, TS has very well the solution at hand: I didn't redirect to the idea of Front being real and neither to validate his writing. I did it merely for the long time planning idea.
No, it doesn't work. Sarahli's post is mainly about Michael being on the forum, mainly discussion Front's writing, how the letters match and how the points on the "i" match too. If he wanted to redirect to the idea of a long-time frame planning he would have found a post, another one, not exactly the one talking about Front's writing being legit and comparing his writing with Michael's.
I just wanted to say, because I can see how this explanation will come up as soon as people start doubting Front more and more. "If TS validated Front, then they both go down" would be people's idea. He can save at least TS' character. And you give him the solution on a silver platter.
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Anna, no the other way around, the redirected post was saying that MJ wouldn't chose to do "this" (death hoax and fool people, fans etc), that he must have had no choice, that he was in some danger, again, that idea. I argued that can't be true because the hoax was planned for decades.
The point is really that I said he would do exactly what he did here. I said he would redirect to a looooong post and let us guess the relevant part as a way to kill time going forward. And then he did that.
I'm not giving him an out. I'm giving him a hard time, as per usual I might add.
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I've never felt so lost in this forum like now errrr
TS/Front/Back/Michael - all spinning my head "like a carousel"....and I don't know what the hell to believe /pull hair/
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(((Bec))), nothing gets past you does it?!! I love your posts - you add enormously to the 'entertainment' value of this whole thing, (as well as, of course, the 'serious' side)! You have a razor sharp mind and a keen wit. I hope you won't get tired of 'killing time' here - I'd miss you lots!
EDIT: As for the question of whether or not Michael would 'play' with his fans in this way, I say why not? He did it in 'Ghosts' - playing with the townspeople, scaring them half to death, then having them agree they'd had 'a good time'. Why wouldn't he engineer a scenario whereby he can interact and play 'in real life' with his fans, well away from the normal screaming, hysterical crowds, where he's in control and taking things at his own pace. Good for him I'd say!
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Oh good you get it curls. I was starting to worry why no one seemed to understand how incredibly smart ass-y TS is being with this redirect.
Either that or it went completely over his head and he's just that predictable. I hope he's being a smart ass. Let's assume he's a smart ass.
Ps. @curls, hey it's very nice to be hypothetically missed. I love you very much curls.
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Why would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.
If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”.
What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.
Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.
How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.
The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.
We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far.
BeTheChange:
It also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.
Very well said, I agree with you.
Quote from: MissG
Imo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?
First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.
Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different.
I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note.
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebay-michael-jackson-note.jpg)
Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: (http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2959/bestofyouj.jpg)
So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381166#msg381166
NOTE: IDK if this is the redirect for January 2nd or 3rd since I just signed on tonight, so I'm assuming it is the 3rd
Now wait just a cotton pickin second here.
I realize that when TS redirects to a post he is echoing (or validating) a PORTION of that post... NOT NECCESSARILY the entire post... but does everyone realize that?
Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post.
Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one. He PLANNED this... painstakingly and lovingly planned this for DECADES. How do you take a life's work like that and change it at the last second to add DEATH to the HOAX and pull it off like this? (in the advent someone poses this scenario to that question) I am having difficulty brainstorming that possibility. In fact, I don't believe that for a second. This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.
Blah blah blah you know how I do...
Point is, he redirected to a loooooooong post.
Just to refresh your memory, check the date on this post of mine from the TIAI December 26 thread:
No doubt he's alive.
I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.
He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?
This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.
But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21759.msg380925#msg380925
which is EXACTLY what he did. Which I find hysterical. Heeeeee, TS, you kill me. I actually feel more like hugging you then strangling you now. That's a much needed attitude adjustment, thank you.
(and ps. @TS, I'm sorry for wanting to strangle you. All things considered, I hope you understand.)
pps. @PureLove, you could just save yourself some typing and just write "bec" instead of "some people" in your posts. We all know you mean me. Lol.
The National # is 020 for London, +12345 (which albums and single?), for whomever he was trying to remember, for the local number. That's the first part of a (mobile?) phone number in London, if I'm not mistaken.
It appears to me, to be an ANAGRAM or puzzle of sorts, that only he knew the answer of.
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(((Bec))), nothing gets past you does it?!! I love your posts - you add enormously to the 'entertainment' value of this whole thing, (as well as, of course, the 'serious' side)! You have a razor sharp mind and a keen wit. I hope you won't get tired of 'killing time' here - I'd miss you lots!
EDIT: As for the question of whether or not Michael would 'play' with his fans in this way, I say why not? He did it in 'Ghosts' - playing with the townspeople, scaring them half to death, then having them agree they'd had 'a good time'. Why wouldn't he engineer a scenario whereby he can interact and play 'in real life' with his fans, well away from the normal screaming, hysterical crowds, where he's in control and taking things at his own pace. Good for him I'd say!
That's exactly what I think for a long time now... and we, as we choose to be here, agree in the game...
It's still GAMETIME :)
...that doesn't mean there aren't serious reasons for starting the "game" and serious goals for its ending...
...just imo...
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Bec, in all fairness, he did redirect to Gina's short post too.
So...anyone knows how the real ark has to look like? The images TS linked to are different. I must say when I read in the Bible how the ark had to be made - I don't fully understand how is it supposed to look.
Bec
Oh good you get it curls. I was starting to worry why no one seemed to understand how incredibly smart ass-y TS is being with this redirect. Either that or it went completely over his head and he's just that predictable. I hope he's being a smart ass. Let's assume he's a smart ass.
No question, he is! mj_bad/ Faithful, but not predictable! moonwalk_/
EDIT: As for the question of whether or not Michael would 'play' with his fans in this way, I say why not? He did it in 'Ghosts' - playing with the townspeople, scaring them half to death, then having them agree they'd had 'a good time'. Why wouldn't he engineer a scenario whereby he can interact and play 'in real life' with his fans, well away from the normal screaming, hysterical crowds, where he's in control and taking things at his own pace. Good for him I'd say!
That's exactly what I think for a long time now... and we, as we choose to be here, agree in the game...
It's still GAMETIME :)
...that doesn't mean there aren't serious reasons for starting the "game" and serious goals for its ending...
...just imo...
Yes, the two can co-exist in this hoax.
BeTheChange
"Have we played the snippets backwards"...(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/bonniebee2003/emoticons/assoff.gif)
LMAO! Unbelievable... :lol:
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Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post.
agree completely, from the moment i first learned abt MJDH and saw for myself the complexities and perfection and the design of things, i started thinking this goes back to at LEAST 'dangerous' period (1991)...
Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one.
yes! not a victim! this was not a 'reactive' thing he did to escape. this is 'pro-active'. innovation. at its best.
This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.
amen! in fact the last 20 years provided the framework and preparation to MJDH... i have no doubt abt it and believe it with every part of my soul.
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yes! not a victim! this was not a 'reactive' thing he did to escape. this is 'pro-active'. innovation. at its best.
And amen to that too!
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I wonder whether we will ever notice one or more dropping out of the hamster wheel with a broken arm, a broken leg or a broken mind.
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First Front, now TS.
Front just came out of the blue telling us he's Back, meaning Michael (well not exactly out of the blue because it was us who called for Back to come so many times).
Now TS is suggesting that Michael is here on the forum and seems to validate the handwriting Front posted as being Michael's. So basicly TS wants us to understand that HE IS Michael, and also that Front is Michael?
And I was sooooooo sure that Front was TR /white flag/
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yes! not a victim! this was not a 'reactive' thing he did to escape. this is 'pro-active'. innovation. at its best.
And amen to that too!
well MJ was a pioneer, at the forefront of innovation throughout his entire career. why would this be different hey? michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/
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Anna, no the other way around, the redirected post was saying that MJ wouldn't chose to do "this" (death hoax and fool people, fans etc), that he must have had no choice, that he was in some danger, again, that idea. I argued that can't be true because the hoax was planned for decades.
The point is really that I said he would do exactly what he did here. I said he would redirect to a looooong post and let us guess the relevant part as a way to kill time going forward. And then he did that.
I'm not giving him an out. I'm giving him a hard time, as per usual I might add.
@ bec
just wanted to remind you of this:
TS_Comments
Yes indeed, some people on this forum and elsewhere are having trouble understanding the how’s AND THE WHY’S of the hoax, because they are living in a fantasy hoax world: thinking that it’s all just fun and games, with multiple ambulances floating around in the sky—while not gripping the reality of the power and the agenda which exists in the underworld, and that they actually did try to take MJ out in the trade towers on 9-11 (but they failed). How can we be a united Army of Love, to stand up against their corrupt agendas, when so many of the soldiers think that it’s “All for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T.”???
Are you entertained????????
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Regarding level 7 we need to remember that this Hoax is very much alive but it’s also VERY complicated, complex and HUGE. Yes as Australianbeliever said TS told us he is busy with other projects. The forum is probably ONE of many projects, and its purpose is to awaken and educate people and to prepare us for what is to come.
For the record, there is no manipulating going on here, and no one is WANTING to be manipulated. We have plenty of clues that validate Front’s authenticity and this one re-direct is one big confirmation.
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Regarding level 7 we need to remember that this Hoax is very much alive but it’s also VERY complicated, complex and HUGE. Yes as Australianbeliever said TS told us he is busy with other projects. The forum is probably ONE of many projects, and its purpose is to awaken and educate people and to prepare us for what is to come.
For the record, there is no manipulating going on here, and no one is WANTING to be manipulated. We have plenty of clues that validate Front’s authenticity and this one re-direct is one big confirmation.
Exactly!!!!!!
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/245780/madface_inline.jpg)
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lolol/ that's a FIRM statement Diggy!
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@ Sarahli
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/sashatan/youre-right.gif)
lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/
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Anna, no the other way around, the redirected post was saying that MJ wouldn't chose to do "this" (death hoax and fool people, fans etc), that he must have had no choice, that he was in some danger, again, that idea. I argued that can't be true because the hoax was planned for decades.
The point is really that I said he would do exactly what he did here. I said he would redirect to a looooong post and let us guess the relevant part as a way to kill time going forward. And then he did that.
I'm not giving him an out. I'm giving him a hard time, as per usual I might add.
@ bec
just wanted to remind you of this:
TS_Comments
Yes indeed, some people on this forum and elsewhere are having trouble understanding the how’s AND THE WHY’S of the hoax, because they are living in a fantasy hoax world: thinking that it’s all just fun and games, with multiple ambulances floating around in the sky—while not gripping the reality of the power and the agenda which exists in the underworld, and that they actually did try to take MJ out in the trade towers on 9-11 (but they failed). How can we be a united Army of Love, to stand up against their corrupt agendas, when so many of the soldiers think that it’s “All for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T.”???
Are you entertained????????
YES, I am entertained. What's your point?
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as I understand this - TS is validating Front
TS could also be Front could'nt he/she...
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It's 2012 now and it's going to happen this year. The pieces are falling into place.
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...regarding entertainment and games... do you all remember your days in school? The best way to learn (for most pupils) were the games in Maths or the songs in wich we learnd irregular verbs...
So the more you are entertained the better your brain remembers the facts... (boredom kills the brain cells)
I think someone does a good job here...
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Yes, exactly hopi. That's exactly right. That's why entertainment is an integral part of the delivery vessel in which to transport the message to the people.
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as I understand this - TS is validating Front
TS could also be Front could'nt he/she...
I guess they are good friends if not the same person .....I hope some day we shall know /white flag/.
Whoever is doing this, Michael or MJ team or somebody else - you did a very good job.
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Regarding level 7 we need to remember that this Hoax is very much alive but it’s also VERY complicated, complex and HUGE. Yes as Australianbeliever said TS told us he is busy with other projects. The forum is probably ONE of many projects, and its purpose is to awaken and educate people and to prepare us for what is to come.
For the record, there is no manipulating going on here, and no one is WANTING to be manipulated. We have plenty of clues that validate Front’s authenticity and this one re-direct is one big confirmation.
Exactly!!!!!!
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/245780/madface_inline.jpg)
Agreed and :lol: @diggyon's picture.
P.S: @bec you are not the only one who thinks this is all for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T. That's the reason why I didn't give any names.
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I don´t see this redirect as the confirmation that:
1- MJ reads the forum
2- Front, Back or whoever are/ is Michael or informers
As I referred, when analyzing the letters, one must look at every detail, also motion. All that can be well faked, sorry to say to those so joyful and sure that this redirect is a confirmation of some sort related to MJ´s active participation in this forum.
We have seen 7 or more different signatures in Michael´s contracts. We don´t know if Michael signed them with a clear mind or if an impostor/ double did. Still this is not clear to me.
This video should be considered as well
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQW33CkezA[/youtube]
I hope the truth will prevail in this matter since MJ´s signatures have been all over, testament and will included, contracts, meds...
If there is a wagon here, I go in the one that don´t interpretate this redired as the confirmation or validation of any member here as being MJ.
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After watching the interview I still wonder if wasn´t a double/ impostor signing those documents. A person under medication which seems to sedate one, would write like if the hand lost all the power...barely could move.
All the notes on the net. Who knows who is who.
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P.S: @bec you are not the only one who thinks this is all for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T. That's the reason why I didn't give any names.
I don't see anyone who thinks this is ALL for entertainment so please give me enough respect to read what I say (and I say it a lot, I'm fairly prolific and frequently quoted so there's no lack of opportunity) before you stuff me into a box and slap a label on, make sure it's accurate.
TS's comment was completely erroneous considering the community here and what other members say. To my knowledge NO ONE has stood up and said they think this is ALL for entertainment. FOR entertainment, yes. ALL for entertainment, no. There's many more layers then that. I trust I need not bore everyone by getting into it again.
Blah. I should save my breath. A wiser woman would. Me on the other hand... needs to learn when to shut up.
I have a good idea WHY TS made that comment, however, and no, I do not think it was a passive-aggressive snark at me.
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The last 2 days have been interesting. It is very facinating to me to watch the story unfold after TS makes a post or re-direct. I thanked TS on the first page because after I read the context of the post he re-directed to, I realized that in that post it is written that the note Front posted was a piece of the reveal. Now confirmed by TS as agreeing with Front. To me that says that TS is now in the "piece by piece" part of revealing.
TS told us point blank who he is. So there is no lie on his part.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=3391.0
Reply #-1 on: January 11, 2010, 11:11:21
1-11. The Lynyrd Skynyrd Example
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
TS also told us he would sign up using different names and why. So him being STUDY, TS, Front and way back "back" should not be a shock like it's new.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=16148.msg274421#msg274421
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
TS has already told us that the info he has been giving us is not to prove who (real/fake) he is as TS but for when he reveals his identity. Only MJ would want people to believe him when he says stuff. Who would really care if TS wasn't MJ and he turned out to be a fraud? He is anonymous right now.
Re: If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ?
errrr
afraid/
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
mj_bad/
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………
:lol:
8-)
mj_dance/
Front even said that MJ could be standing right in front of us and some would still not believe he was MJ even after taking off the Pink Panther suit.
I find it interesting that it appears to me that some people have not realized that TS already said he was going to reveal himself/identity. When do you think that might take place? Early on in the hoax or close to it being over?
I think TS has begun to reveal himself starting with the re-direct to the ARK of the Covenant. Both TS and Front posting the same clock. After all the bitching amd moaning over TS not finishing up Level 7, Front gave us the story of Moses and leading the people out of the desert.
He said that there is no instant gratification, that we will be given what we need and not what we want. These are just a few examples. This is subtle hints like always.
Thanks TS.
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I find it interesting that it appears to me that some people have not realized that TS already said he was going to reveal himself/identity. When do you think that might take place? Early on in the hoax or close to it being over?
I think TS has begun to reveal himself starting with the re-direct to the ARK of the Covenant. Both TS and Front posting the same clock. After all the bitching amd moaning over TS not finishing up Level 7, Front gave us the story of Moses and leading the people out of the desert.
He said that there is no instant gratification, that we will be given what we need and not what we want. These are just a few examples. This is subtle hints like always.
Wise words and an interesting perspective. Good post, Im_convinced.
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Great post @Im_convinced.
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TS also told us he would sign up using different names and why. So him being STUDY, TS, Front and way back "back" should not be a shock like it's new.
Why would (did) he sign up under various user names and using different writing styles, I wonder ? To keep us entertained, to keep us busy ? Why the need for this "diversion" ? It doesn't sound fairplay to me.
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Im_convincedMJalive, super post! My personal favorite post of TS's revealing himself is the Lynyrd Sknyrd Example. The reason why most or many members who have been here since the start of TS/Front posts, believe them to be from MJ, is we have read and pain-stakedly analyzed each post as they gave it, laying a thorough foundation in our minds of his identity, brick by brick. If you read everything they say while thinking/assuming they are fakes, their posts will/may seem like rambling rants.
But if you commit to seeing MJ behind every post, they literally jump out of the page with amazing insight, clues, humor, wit, and love! So I suggest a leap of faith to kick-start and propel you into a whole other spectacular level to this death hoax--MJ's ultimate genius extravaganza! Best of all you'll be enjoying his company here!
typing/ mj_dance/
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TS also told us he would sign up using different names and why. So him being STUDY, TS, Front and way back "back" should not be a shock like it's new.
Why would (did) he sign up under various user names and using different writing styles, I wonder ? To keep us entertained, to keep us busy ? Why the need for this "diversion" ? It doesn't sound fairplay to me.
You are one of the posters that is starting to get on my nerves. What is your purpose here? Investigating the hoax or bitch in every TS/Front thread?
Cut it out and focus on things you DO think is worth your time, or find a new forum to post on.
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Im_convincedMJalive, super post! My personal favorite post of TS's revealing himself is the Lynyrd Sknyrd Example. The reason why most or many members who have been here since the start of TS/Front posts, believe them to be from MJ, is we have read and pain-stakedly analyzed each post as they gave it, laying a thorough foundation in our minds of his identity, brick by brick. If you read everything they say while thinking/assuming they are fakes, their posts will/may seem like rambling rants.
But if you commit to seeing MJ behind every post, they literally jump out of the page with amazing insight, clues, humor, wit, and love! So I suggest a leap of faith to kick-start and propel you into a whole other spectacular level to this death hoax--MJ's ultimate genius extravaganza! Best of all you'll be enjoying his company here!
typing/ mj_dance/
Yep - the Lynryd Skynyrd example by TS from way back has always been in the back of my mind when I read anything by TS and Front for that matter.
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The last 2 days have been interesting. It is very facinating to me to watch the story unfold after TS makes a post or re-direct. I thanked TS on the first page because after I read the context of the post he re-directed to, I realized that in that post it is written that the note Front posted was a piece of the reveal. Now confirmed by TS as agreeing with Front. To me that says that TS is now in the "piece by piece" part of revealing.
TS told us point blank who he is. So there is no lie on his part.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=3391.0
Reply #-1 on: January 11, 2010, 11:11:21
1-11. The Lynyrd Skynyrd Example
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
TS also told us he would sign up using different names and why. So him being STUDY, TS, Front and way back "back" should not be a shock like it's new.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=16148.msg274421#msg274421
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
TS has already told us that the info he has been giving us is not to prove who (real/fake) he is as TS but for when he reveals his identity. Only MJ would want people to believe him when he says stuff. Who would really care if TS wasn't MJ and he turned out to be a fraud? He is anonymous right now.
Re: If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ?
errrr
afraid/
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
mj_bad/
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………
:lol:
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mj_dance/
Front even said that MJ could be standing right in front of us and some would still not believe he was MJ even after taking off the Pink Panther suit.
I find it interesting that it appears to me that some people have not realized that TS already said he was going to reveal himself/identity. When do you think that might take place? Early on in the hoax or close to it being over?
I think TS has begun to reveal himself starting with the re-direct to the ARK of the Covenant. Both TS and Front posting the same clock. After all the bitching amd moaning over TS not finishing up Level 7, Front gave us the story of Moses and leading the people out of the desert.
He said that there is no instant gratification, that we will be given what we need and not what we want. These are just a few examples. This is subtle hints like always.
Thanks TS.
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This is not my hand, by he way!! lolol/
Very wisely said. The hoax is about to end and people are still doubting TS/ Front/ back!!!!
I think without these informers we would have been running ins circles now, trying to find only one single clue!!!!! Thanks to them, we found so many!
Thanks to TS/Front/ Back, I don't have to look like that lady after visiting this forum and reading all kinds of stuff people write......
/pull hair/
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Blessings
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i don't think it is necessarily bad to doubt TS or Front or Back. isn't that one of the lessons this hoax has taught us? question EVERYTHING? that being said, i don't think people should completely write off what others say because they don't understand or frustration gets in the way. i agree with bec that the ambiguous posts leave me saying "okay....... crash/." however, thank you very much im_convinced for your post. we've been on this hoax ride for so long sometimes we forget what we were given before. it's always good to go back and refresh our memory. we've probably been given subtle hints along the way that make sense now if we re-examined them. as for the redirect, i don't know what part TS is actually confirming. i've always assumed michael would be lurking in the shadows of the forum. i can't imagine him staying away. i'm sure he gets a kick communicating with us since he is technically "dead" to the rest of the world.
i do wonder if this is piece by piece and if we're now getting bigger (clearer) "pieces" for the whole picture.
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In all honesty I don't know what to believe. I've read Imconvinced and I think she's right but also everybody else seems to be right....yet there must be only one truth....seems logical that MJ would be here directing the hoax/leading us, but that feeling "it's too good to be true" keeps bugging me.
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Im_convincedMJalive, super post! My personal favorite post of TS's revealing himself is the Lynyrd Sknyrd Example. The reason why most or many members who have been here since the start of TS/Front posts, believe them to be from MJ, is we have read and pain-stakedly analyzed each post as they gave it, laying a thorough foundation in our minds of his identity, brick by brick. If you read everything they say while thinking/assuming they are fakes, their posts will/may seem like rambling rants.
But if you commit to seeing MJ behind every post, they literally jump out of the page with amazing insight, clues, humor, wit, and love! So I suggest a leap of faith to kick-start and propel you into a whole other spectacular level to this death hoax--MJ's ultimate genius extravaganza! Best of all you'll be enjoying his company here!
typing/ mj_dance/
Fantastic posts Im_convinced and MJonMind ::P
The part I bolded sums up, for me, the 'frustration' of the past couple days re: the discussion in the Back thread...although I didn't lose sleep over it because I KNOW what I know, as most of us do. And the reason we've come to KNOW certain things is because we put in the blood, sweat and tears required in order to KNOW it (as MJonMind alluded to). We ALL had doubts along the way...for many of us, that included initial doubts about both TS and Front...we were 'cautious' with them BUT we kept an open mind to what they were telling us in their posts. We actually READ their posts (all of them, not just a paragraph or two)...we cross-checked everything we could, we analyzed them against past and present info we had, and MANY times we questioned (and sometimes challenged) both TS and Front (bec is great at this lol) on things they said. Yet, time and time again....tIME has NOT been able to prove them 'fake'....tIME being THE best 'test' of truth.
People questioning TS and/or Front is NOT a problem....most of us have been there, done that and STILL do. I think most of us would agree that IF anyone had info that PROVED that something TS and/or Front said was NOT true or PROVED that they were 'fake'...we would NOT turn a blind eye to it but instead, we'd analyze that info just as we have TONS of other info along the way and will continue to analyze going forward. The 'thing' that causes momentary frustration at times (again, nothing to lose sleep over)...is when members make comments that CLEARLY show not only that they have NOT read the info/people they are 'critiquing'....but they also are quick to pass judgement (again over material that they haven't even read). To top it all off...they 'insinuate' that WE are the 'ignorant' ones not understanding anything lol. It truly baffles the mind.
I find it 'interesting' that this happens from time to time...and usually at 'interesting' times. The latest being right after TS' last redirect, the first ever redirect that specifically supported Front. Which to those of us who have been paying attention, was HUGE on so many levels. But before we could even 'celebrate' the full extent of the redirect (and yes, it was cause to celebrate for me...but maybe that's because I'm brainwashed :roll:)....the discussion instantly turned to some attempting (and very poorly) to 'prove' Front is 'fake'. I am not sure if it's just people wanting to stir the pot or if that was one example of the 'necessary evils' that Front mentioned.
None of this is about not wanting to listen to opposing views....where have those that think that been for the past 2.5 years??? We've had opposing views on EVERYTHING, including TS and Front, from the very beginning and will continue to from time to time. What occured the past fews days was NOT about opposing views. I compare it to MANY of us having painstakingly built a foundation...brick by brick...layer by layer....for 2.5 years. Having committed ourselves to the building of it...at times losing 'builders' along the way but always welcoming any THAT WERE HERE TO HELP AND NOT TEAR DOWN WHAT WE ALREADY BUILT....where we inspected each and every brick before adding it to the foundation to ensure it 'fit' and was strong enough to hold...a whole team effort driven by knowledge, intelligence, passion, and determination. Yet, every once and awhile people 'show up' not exhibiting ANY signs of wanting to help (even though they claim such)...and instead, they just start trying to 'rattle' the foundation. What they fail to KNOW or understand is that OUR foundation is rock-solid and though they may 'rattle' some 'builders' for a short time...the foundation is unbreakable. Actually, we should thank them...the 'doubters', 'pot-stirrers', 'shit disturbers', and 'haters' have a 'part' in the building as well....they provide the CEMENT.
Sorry if this was off-topic.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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In all honesty I don't know what to believe. I've read Imconvinced and I think she's right but also everybody else seems to be right....yet there must be only one truth....seems logical that MJ would be here directing the hoax/leading us, but that feeling "it's too good to be true" keeps bugging me.
What would you do if you were Michael??? Would you leave the believers to chances and to the trolls?? Would you direct them to understand the hoax?? Would you just come to the forum and read? Would you interact??? What would you do??
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In all honesty I don't know what to believe. I've read Imconvinced and I think she's right but also everybody else seems to be right....yet there must be only one truth....seems logical that MJ would be here directing the hoax/leading us, but that feeling "it's too good to be true" keeps bugging me.
What would you do if you were Michael??? Would you leave the believers to chances and to the trolls?? Would you direct them to understand the hoax?? Would you just come to the forum and read? Would you interact??? What would you do??
If I was Michael I would have done TIAI.
But I'm not so what I would have done is not relevant.
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It's a philosophical question, Gina.
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as I understand this - TS is validating Front
TS could also be Front could'nt he/she...
I guess they are good friends if not the same person .....I hope some day we shall know /white flag/.
Whoever is doing this, Michael or MJ team or somebody else - you did a very good job.
You're Just Another Part Of Me .... lolol/
Yes We're One And The Same... lolol/ lolol/
sorry could not help meself :lol:
huggs n love n faith.. bearhug
suzz
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P.S: @bec you are not the only one who thinks this is all for E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.M.E.N.T. That's the reason why I didn't give any names.
I don't see anyone who thinks this is ALL for entertainment so please give me enough respect to read what I say (and I say it a lot, I'm fairly prolific and frequently quoted so there's no lack of opportunity) before you stuff me into a box and slap a label on, make sure it's accurate.
No bec, you are not the only one. I also read the posts when you made your posts about the entertainment stuff and I saw who agreed with you and thought this is all for entertainment. This has nothing to do with respecting or disrespecting you. And I'm not putting you in a box, you did it to yourself.
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It's a philosophical question, Gina.
huh??? what question?
I wanted to point out that none of us would know what MJ would do. We just imagine we know, project on him our own ideas, this doesn't mean he would do what we think he should do.
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Im_convincedMJalive, super post! My personal favorite post of TS's revealing himself is the Lynyrd Sknyrd Example. The reason why most or many members who have been here since the start of TS/Front posts, believe them to be from MJ, is we have read and pain-stakedly analyzed each post as they gave it, laying a thorough foundation in our minds of his identity, brick by brick. If you read everything they say while thinking/assuming they are fakes, their posts will/may seem like rambling rants.
But if you commit to seeing MJ behind every post, they literally jump out of the page with amazing insight, clues, humor, wit, and love! So I suggest a leap of faith to kick-start and propel you into a whole other spectacular level to this death hoax--MJ's ultimate genius extravaganza! Best of all you'll be enjoying his company here!
typing/ mj_dance/
Fantastic posts Im_convinced and MJonMind ::P
The part I bolded sums up, for me, the 'frustration' of the past couple days re: the discussion in the Back thread...although I didn't lose sleep over it because I KNOW what I know, as most of us do. And the reason we've come to KNOW certain things is because we put in the blood, sweat and tears required in order to KNOW it (as MJonMind alluded to). We ALL had doubts along the way...for many of us, that included initial doubts about both TS and Front...we were 'cautious' with them BUT we kept an open mind to what they were telling us in their posts. We actually READ their posts (all of them, not just a paragraph or two)...we cross-checked everything we could, we analyzed them against past and present info we had, and MANY times we questioned (and sometimes challenged) both TS and Front (bec is great at this lol) on things they said. Yet, time and time again....tIME has NOT been able to prove them 'fake'....tIME being THE best 'test' of truth.
People questioning TS and/or Front is NOT a problem....most of us have been there, done that and STILL do. I think most of us would agree that IF anyone had info that PROVED that something TS and/or Front said was NOT true or PROVED that they were 'fake'...we would NOT turn a blind eye to it but instead, we'd analyze that info just as we have TONS of other info along the way and will continue to analyze going forward. The 'thing' that causes momentary frustration at times (again, nothing to lose sleep over)...is when members make comments that CLEARLY show not only that they have NOT read the info/people they are 'critiquing'....but they also are quick to pass judgement (again over material that they haven't even read). To top it all off...they 'insinuate' that WE are the 'ignorant' ones not understanding anything lol. It truly baffles the mind.
I find it 'interesting' that this happens from time to time...and usually at 'interesting' times. The latest being right after TS' last redirect, the first ever redirect that specifically supported Front. Which to those of us who have been paying attention, was HUGE on so many levels. But before we could even 'celebrate' the full extent of the redirect (and yes, it was cause to celebrate for me...but maybe that's because I'm brainwashed :roll:)....the discussion instantly turned to some attempting (and very poorly) to 'prove' Front is 'fake'. I am not sure if it's just people wanting to stir the pot or if that was one example of the 'necessary evils' that Front mentioned.
None of this is about not wanting to listen to opposing views....where have those that think that been for the past 2.5 years??? We've had opposing views on EVERYTHING, including TS and Front, from the very beginning and will continue to from time to time. What occured the past fews days was NOT about opposing views. I compare it to MANY of us having painstakingly built a foundation...brick by brick...layer by layer....for 2.5 years. Having committed ourselves to the building of it...at times losing 'builders' along the way but always welcoming any THAT WERE HERE TO HELP AND NOT TEAR DOWN WHAT WE ALREADY BUILT....where we inspected each and every brick before adding it to the foundation to ensure it 'fit' and was strong enough to hold...a whole team effort driven by knowledge, intelligence, passion, and determination. Yet, every once and awhile people 'show up' not exhibiting ANY signs of wanting to help (even though they claim such)...and instead, they just start trying to 'rattle' the foundation. What they fail to KNOW or understand is that OUR foundation is rock-solid and though they may 'rattle' some 'builders' for a short time...the foundation is unbreakable. Actually, we should thank them...the 'doubters', 'pot-stirrers', 'shit disturbers', and 'haters' have a 'part' in the building as well....they provide the CEMENT.
Sorry if this was off-topic.
With L.O.V.E. always.
BINGO ! & /bravo/
I do feel that these irritations are probably part (but sadly only part) of the darkness and the necessary evil that we've been advised to watch out for. It's like anything in life though...every time you make a successful step forward your enemies or bullies want to knock you back two. With skill (well honed by now ;) ), faith and unyielding endurance we will get to the "other side" as he has planned and when he is ready IMHO.
With the passage of time...and bit by bit...we seem to be being given the fuller picture and more supporting information like we got with this redirect. It's truly starting to feel like we're beginning to build to a crescendo. While that is very exciting it also brings with it the reality that the attacks on us (and on this forum) will likely get stronger. As in any battle concerning good vs. evil...it's the side that stands steadfast and never waivers from their faith and belief that wins the day.
Unfortunately, I think we may not have seen the last of the "surprises" in "Mr. Jackson's Wild Ride" just yet pale/...so... ladies and gentlemen please make sure that your seatbelts are securely fastened and that your seatbacks and tray tables are in their fully upright and locked positions (I think that's how that goes :lol: ) ...the Captain has advised us that we may be in for turbulence ahead. :?
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Well I haven't commented for a while and I just wanted to say thank you to Michael for this redirect. lolol/
No matter which way we see Michael (from the Front, from the Back, or from The Sides) he absolutely has amazed me! Not only with utilizing so many mediums (print, online, television, movies, music, books, etc) but he has brought together so many disciplines (religion, psychology, metaphysics, etc.) in an E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.I.N.G. way to bring attention to real world issues, concerns and to educate and equip us for what lies ahead (EOW)
respect/ /bravo/
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Well I haven't commented for a while and I just wanted to say thank you to Michael for this redirect. lolol/
No matter which way we see Michael (from the Front, from the Back, or from The Sides) he absolutely has amazed me! Not only with utilizing so many mediums (print, online, television, movies, music, books, etc) but he has brought together so many disciplines (religion, psychology, metaphysics, etc.) in an E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.I.N.G. way to bring attention to real world issues, concerns and to educate and equip us for what lies ahead (EOW)
respect/ /bravo/
/bravo/
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Well I haven't commented for a while and I just wanted to say thank you to Michael for this redirect. lolol/
No matter which way we see Michael (from the Front, from the Back, or from The Sides) he absolutely has amazed me! Not only with utilizing so many mediums (print, online, television, movies, music, books, etc) but he has brought together so many disciplines (religion, psychology, metaphysics, etc.) in an E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.I.N.G. way to bring attention to real world issues, concerns and to educate and equip us for what lies ahead (EOW)
respect/ /bravo/
/bravo/
Michael is really magic !!!!! /bravo/ Only he knows how to give these emotions ! bearhug moonwalk_/
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Well I haven't commented for a while and I just wanted to say thank you to Michael for this redirect. lolol/
No matter which way we see Michael (from the Front, from the Back, or from The Sides) he absolutely has amazed me! Not only with utilizing so many mediums (print, online, television, movies, music, books, etc) but he has brought together so many disciplines (religion, psychology, metaphysics, etc.) in an E.N.T.E.R.T.A.I.N.I.N.G. way to bring attention to real world issues, concerns and to educate and equip us for what lies ahead (EOW)
respect/ /bravo/
/bravo/
Michael is really magic !!!!! /bravo/ Only he knows how to give these emotions ! bearhug moonwalk_/
Yes indeed!!!
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The last 2 days have been interesting. It is very facinating to me to watch the story unfold after TS makes a post or re-direct. I thanked TS on the first page because after I read the context of the post he re-directed to, I realized that in that post it is written that the note Front posted was a piece of the reveal. Now confirmed by TS as agreeing with Front. To me that says that TS is now in the "piece by piece" part of revealing.
TS told us point blank who he is. So there is no lie on his part.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=3391.0
Reply #-1 on: January 11, 2010, 11:11:21
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1-11. The Lynyrd Skynyrd Example
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
TS also told us he would sign up using different names and why. So him being STUDY, TS, Front and way back "back" should not be a shock like it's new.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=16148.msg274421#msg274421
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Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
TS has already told us that the info he has been giving us is not to prove who (real/fake) he is as TS but for when he reveals his identity. Only MJ would want people to believe him when he says stuff. Who would really care if TS wasn't MJ and he turned out to be a fraud? He is anonymous right now.
Re: If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ?
Quote from: Front on September 21, 2011, 11:16:33 PM
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………
Front even said that MJ could be standing right in front of us and some would still not believe he was MJ even after taking off the Pink Panther suit.
I find it interesting that it appears to me that some people have not realized that TS already said he was going to reveal himself/identity. When do you think that might take place? Early on in the hoax or close to it being over?
I think TS has begun to reveal himself starting with the re-direct to the ARK of the Covenant. Both TS and Front posting the same clock. After all the bitching amd moaning over TS not finishing up Level 7, Front gave us the story of Moses and leading the people out of the desert.
He said that there is no instant gratification, that we will be given what we need and not what we want. These are just a few examples. This is subtle hints like always.
Thanks TS.
If you're not a religious person…it matters not!
If you think Front is Mickey Mouse…it matters not!
If you're a religious person, have faith in God.
If you're not, then have faith in Michael.
If your faith is crumbling and you choose to leave your KNOWING (not beLIEving--- but "KNOWING"--- because, as I've stated many times before, believing & knowing are 2 different things) behind to disintegrate into dust…might as well say goodbye now because you won't make to the "other side".
There have been and will continue to be MANY other attempts (some planned as a "necessary evil"; others from "wolves disguised as lambs") to demolish Faith and shatter Hope…but alas, Front has faith where faith is needed. As I stated several pages back: The journey is a bumpy ride indeed, and it's bound to get uncomfortable at times…..but let's remember who the "driver" is…Michael will get us all home safely.
And please, no driving jokes or you might find another one of the "chef's" speciality desserts delivered to your doorstep…instead of a BAMcake, you might get a different KIND of "BAM"cake--- B(rown)A(nd)M(oldy) cake!
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Im_convincedMJalive, super post! My personal favorite post of TS's revealing himself is the Lynyrd Sknyrd Example. The reason why most or many members who have been here since the start of TS/Front posts, believe them to be from MJ, is we have read and pain-stakedly analyzed each post as they gave it, laying a thorough foundation in our minds of his identity, brick by brick. If you read everything they say while thinking/assuming they are fakes, their posts will/may seem like rambling rants.
But if you commit to seeing MJ behind every post, they literally jump out of the page with amazing insight, clues, humor, wit, and love! So I suggest a leap of faith to kick-start and propel you into a whole other spectacular level to this death hoax--MJ's ultimate genius extravaganza! Best of all you'll be enjoying his company here!
typing/ mj_dance/
Fantastic posts Im_convinced and MJonMind ::P
The part I bolded sums up, for me, the 'frustration' of the past couple days re: the discussion in the Back thread...although I didn't lose sleep over it because I KNOW what I know, as most of us do. And the reason we've come to KNOW certain things is because we put in the blood, sweat and tears required in order to KNOW it (as MJonMind alluded to). We ALL had doubts along the way...for many of us, that included initial doubts about both TS and Front...we were 'cautious' with them BUT we kept an open mind to what they were telling us in their posts. We actually READ their posts (all of them, not just a paragraph or two)...we cross-checked everything we could, we analyzed them against past and present info we had, and MANY times we questioned (and sometimes challenged) both TS and Front (bec is great at this lol) on things they said. Yet, time and time again....tIME has NOT been able to prove them 'fake'....tIME being THE best 'test' of truth.
People questioning TS and/or Front is NOT a problem....most of us have been there, done that and STILL do. I think most of us would agree that IF anyone had info that PROVED that something TS and/or Front said was NOT true or PROVED that they were 'fake'...we would NOT turn a blind eye to it but instead, we'd analyze that info just as we have TONS of other info along the way and will continue to analyze going forward. The 'thing' that causes momentary frustration at times (again, nothing to lose sleep over)...is when members make comments that CLEARLY show not only that they have NOT read the info/people they are 'critiquing'....but they also are quick to pass judgement (again over material that they haven't even read). To top it all off...they 'insinuate' that WE are the 'ignorant' ones not understanding anything lol. It truly baffles the mind.
I find it 'interesting' that this happens from time to time...and usually at 'interesting' times. The latest being right after TS' last redirect, the first ever redirect that specifically supported Front. Which to those of us who have been paying attention, was HUGE on so many levels. But before we could even 'celebrate' the full extent of the redirect (and yes, it was cause to celebrate for me...but maybe that's because I'm brainwashed :roll:)....the discussion instantly turned to some attempting (and very poorly) to 'prove' Front is 'fake'. I am not sure if it's just people wanting to stir the pot or if that was one example of the 'necessary evils' that Front mentioned.
None of this is about not wanting to listen to opposing views....where have those that think that been for the past 2.5 years??? We've had opposing views on EVERYTHING, including TS and Front, from the very beginning and will continue to from time to time. What occured the past fews days was NOT about opposing views. I compare it to MANY of us having painstakingly built a foundation...brick by brick...layer by layer....for 2.5 years. Having committed ourselves to the building of it...at times losing 'builders' along the way but always welcoming any THAT WERE HERE TO HELP AND NOT TEAR DOWN WHAT WE ALREADY BUILT....where we inspected each and every brick before adding it to the foundation to ensure it 'fit' and was strong enough to hold...a whole team effort driven by knowledge, intelligence, passion, and determination. Yet, every once and awhile people 'show up' not exhibiting ANY signs of wanting to help (even though they claim such)...and instead, they just start trying to 'rattle' the foundation. What they fail to KNOW or understand is that OUR foundation is rock-solid and though they may 'rattle' some 'builders' for a short time...the foundation is unbreakable. Actually, we should thank them...the 'doubters', 'pot-stirrers', 'shit disturbers', and 'haters' have a 'part' in the building as well....they provide the CEMENT.
Sorry if this was off-topic.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I'm highly offended that I would be labeled a "troll" just because I'm not buying the whole Front story. I didn't just "randomly" show up to stir the pot. I've been participating on this site since June 2010. I'm sorry if I don't salivate when Front posts.....I actually roll my eyes.
I'm sorry if that is not what people want to hear, but we are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs. We don't HAVE to believe in so called informers, do we? Didn't TS (who so many bow down to) tell us to think for ourselves? Or did that not apply to this forum? Just wondering......
I hope the amount of time it took to transfer all the "important" posts from the BACK thread was worth it. What a slap in the face for those that took the time to research and respond to the other BACK posts that their posts weren't deemed "worthy" enough for a transfer.
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I hope the amount of time it took to transfer all the "important" posts from the BACK thread was worth it. What a slap in the face for those that took the time to research and respond to the other BACK posts that their posts weren't deemed "worthy" enough for a transfer.
hi anewfan, i am not crisitising you, i dont know you and dont have an opinion about you, regarding being a troll. i am indifferent to you and yes, i agree that you are in your right not to believe in front. fine.
but in regards to your comment i have quoted above, the back posts wouldnt have had to be moved and that whole thread be discected if the thread werent bastardised by off topic discussions, vulgar vids of MJ sexualising him, attacks on front / back / TS as well as attacks on front / back / TS believers, and consequently in house fighting. so the action that was taken by mods was in response to inappropriateness.
the simple solution, would be if one didnt beleive in front, not to visit the thread. just like i dont visit certain threads that i dont 'believe' in. i dont go in there are tear it down. its isnt my right. it also isnt common courtesy, even if i dont believe, in psychics, visions, dreams, aliens, etc.
now, personally, i like what bec and souza have done, and i dont think its disrespectful. you should realise that breaking up the back posts actually severs five fantastic purposes, a) is great for a lot of newcomers to the forum. b) everything is organised and categorised, therefore easier to find (thank you bec) c) it gives people an opportunity to comment if they havent made comment previously as discussions have moved on, d) it gives oldies an opportunity to review the old back posts that they might have not looked at for a while and can strengthen their faith if they are feeling lost in the hoax.. and e) the initial purpose of the the thread was to review and discuss the back threads. however most of that thread was off topic. so now the initial purpose has been dug up and is at the forefront again, so that it can be discussed, which was the intention. not character attacks, fighting, etc..
argue/ argue/ argue/
have you had a look becs threads with the back posts. here is a great opportunity to make some comments and have fresh discussions about the back posts with some of the 'oldie believers'. something that a lot of newbies havent had the chance to do before as they are catching up with 2 years of real time info.
so the new threads are not a slap in the face. and people are free to bring over and link posts that they feel are important.
i for one an grateful and glad for this opportunity and are already in discussions on various threads and finding out new things...
/bravo/
as your name implies, you are a NEW FAN. try it. and see the cup half full.
PEACE TO YOU AND HAPPY HOAXING /white flag/
NB - btw, before i get jumped on, MJ is not vulgar. it was the context of the NIN video.
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My posts in the back thread had nothing to do with TS' redirect, never even looked at the thread, it just had to do with Gina's, I think, question about GarageBand. Seeing connections where there aren't any isn't helpful.
Sincerely,
Necessary Evil
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I'm highly offended that I would be labeled a "troll" just because I'm not buying the whole Front story. I didn't just "randomly" show up to stir the pot. I've been participating on this site since June 2010. I'm sorry if I don't salivate when Front posts.....I actually roll my eyes.
I'm sorry if that is not what people want to hear, but we are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs. We don't HAVE to believe in so called informers, do we? Didn't TS (who so many bow down to) tell us to think for ourselves? Or did that not apply to this forum? Just wondering......
I hope the amount of time it took to transfer all the "important" posts from the BACK thread was worth it. What a slap in the face for those that took the time to research and respond to the other BACK posts that their posts weren't deemed "worthy" enough for a transfer.
Exactly what language do you need the request to STOP this kind of behavior written in...because it's becoming clear that English must not be your strong suit?! You seem incapable...or maybe you're just purely unwilling to "get it". Not only are you continuing your condescending and dismissive comments...but for an added bonus you're now trying to cause members to question their value as contributors here. Nice try but I think that everyone here is pretty devoted to seeing this through (in case you're blind to that too). Souza doesn't strike me as someone who levies empty threats and I think she has spoken VERY clearly on this matter.
My posts in the back thread had nothing to do with TS' redirect, never even looked at the thread, it just had to do with Gina's, I think, question about GarageBand. Seeing connections where there aren't any isn't helpful.
Sincerely,
Necessary Evil
Glad I had a chance to see this before I hit post. My dear Sarah31...I have a feeling that your obviously flippant attitude just might earn you a big fat UN prefix for your new nickname. One can only hope since you seem to take such delight in causing problems in areas you've made clear don't interest you. In case you missed it Ms Evil...this IS a redirect thread.
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sarah, i am not speaking abt just you personally. the whole entire thread is like this. i have read every single page. have you?
it goes in peaks and trophs. have a good run. then fighting... good run... then fighting
dont get me wrong sarah. you are completely entitled to your opinions. as we all are. i get that. its just that, that particular thread was not reserved for all the antics that went on in there. it was for back discussions which led to front discussions. there are others here who also dont believe in front. there are other threads that doubts can be discussed in. thats what my post to you was, to encourage you to post what you want to say in other threads, not the back thread out of respect for others. you threw back in my face to say i want to be prevented from seeing truth by asking you to do that.
look it's all over now. lets put it aside and move on. there are so many amazing discussions to be held concerning MJDH and analysing arguments isnt one of them. me included.
lets look forward please. /white flag/
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Love4Michael, some of the posts in here interest me. Doesn't mean I have to be overly interested in TS.
Australian MJ BeLIEver, we, meaning I and certain posters on here, seem to have a totally different definition of what "discussion" means. This is basically my definition:
http://ardictionary.com/Discussion/6171
"... an exchange of views on some topic ..."
Meaning ... different opinions, views are discussed. If only one view is allowed, then it's not a discussion. That's what I don't get, people are saying discussions are ok, but at the same time allow only one view in the so called discussion. Then you should really call it something else, it's confusing.
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@anewfan or anyone else who feels the need to put their own 'spin' on what I said...YOUR primary concern, as we've heard it over and over and over and over again....is that OPINIONS are not allowed. What I wrote is my OPINION...you can't have it both ways....either you're for EVERYONE being able to share theirs or your not.
If something I said 'rings your bell' (and by 'your' I mean anyone who reads my post and feels the urge to continue on with their bash-filled ways), THAT is beyond my control. But it most definitely is within YOUR control what you decide to do with it. You can bash it, ignore it, curse me to kingdom come, stick pins in a voodoo doll in my honor, or maybe you can take a long hard look in the mirror and try to figure out WHY you were offended by it. Either way...I've stated my OPINION....and it still stands.
I'm all for showing love...but some people are making it VERY difficult lately because all they're bringing to the party is hate.
As for this whole discussion...(now TS' threads are gonna get infiltrated) I'm not about to engage in a bitchfest that veers completely off-topic and doesn't bring me to any new knowledge, any good energy or anyTHING other than wanting to bang my head against a wall.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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This is a TIAI thread. Can we keep this on topic please. That means griping, bitching, moaning, hijacking and sabotage attempts are not wanted or appreciated in here.
I thank you in advance for you cooperation.
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Oh my god I am so fucking sick of this shit. Move the fuck ON, ANEWFAN and SARAH31. Christ, what the hell is wrong with you two?
I will sit here and babysit this board all night and any more of your antagonistic "poor little ol NASTY MEAN FACE me" posts found anywhere I happen to browse will be deleted. The ensuing arguments they cause and any quotes of said posts will be deleted too.
Oh btw, if you're so unhappy here and dislike it so much then go somewhere else. Don't sit around and bitch about it. NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR IT.
@anewfan, I know you're not a troll, so stop ACTING like one.
So get this, now instead of archiving back posts tonight, I have to spend my after work hours babysitting the mean girls club. THANKS.
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it was the context of the NIN video.
I can't believe you watched it :lol:
And it is not vulgar if you look beyond the appearances.
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it was the context of the NIN video.
I can't believe you watched it :lol:
And it is not vulgar if you look beyond the appearances.
i can sense certain ppl being waved good bye.
as i said, MJ isnt vulgar. so yes beyond the appearances it wasnt vulgar. it was the context.
i just dont think its respectful. but JMO. MJ is hot and I love him and his GP - you know that :-)
i just love his brain more. he is more than just a 'sex icon'
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I've never said that.
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(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/train.jpg)
Again :shock:
If we took a vote, I'm sure at least 95% here are sick of this.
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Not sure how one can intelligently "discuss" a topic(s) which they have openly said they have no interest in and they have barely bothered to read up about or investigate or follow.
......get ma' drift?
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Why would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.
If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”.
What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.
Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.
How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.
The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.
We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far.
BeTheChange:
It also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.
Very well said, I agree with you.
Quote from: MissG
Imo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?
First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.
Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different.
I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note.
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebay-michael-jackson-note.jpg)
Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: (http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2959/bestofyouj.jpg)
So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381166#msg381166 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg381166#msg381166)
NOTE: IDK if this is the redirect for January 2nd or 3rd since I just signed on tonight, so I'm assuming it is the 3rd
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didnt say that abt you gina. its how i felt about the video. didnt accuse you of anything hun.
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(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/train.jpg)
Again :shock:
loooolllll