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Title: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: PureLove on October 31, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify

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Dr. Conrad Murray has until the start of court Tuesday morning to decide if he will take the stand to defend himself against the charge that he is criminally responsible for Michael Jackson's death, the judge told him at the end of Monday's court session.

Murray told Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor that he had not decided yet if he will testify in his involuntary manslaughter trial, but he will make a decision overnight after consulting with his lawyers.

The defense anesthesiology expert who concluded Jackson probably died from drugs he gave himself underwent a tough cross-examination from the prosecution Monday and will return to finish his testimony Tuesday.

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney David Walgren got Dr. Paul White to concede that Murray deviated from the standards of care in his use of the surgical anesthetic propofol in Michael Jackson's bedroom to help him sleep.

Those deviations, including not having proper safety precautions and failing to quickly call 911 for help when Jackson stopped breathing, are so "egregious and extreme" that they make Murray criminally responsible for Jackson's death, the prosecution contends.

Dr. White characterized Murray's deviations as "perhaps between minor and serious, but it's not extreme."

Prosecutor Walgren also was successful in getting White to agree that he would not have done what Murray did -- take the job of sedating Jackson nearly every night at home with propofol.

"No amount of money" could get him to take the job, White said. "Absolutely not," he testified. "That would be a job I would never consider accepting."
White's determination to dig in and resist Walgren's efforts to shake his earlier testimony may have earned the expert a $1,000 contempt-of-court citation from Judge Pastor.

Pastor said he may fine White after the witness ignored several warnings to avoid references to his personal conversations with Murray, which could have been a way for the defense to introduce statements from the defendant without him having to testify.

The prosecution contends that Murray's reckless use of propofol to put Jackson to sleep caused Jackson's death, but the defense blames Jackson for self-administering the fatal overdose while Murray was not watching.

The Los Angeles County coroner ruled that Jackson's June 25, 2009, death was caused by "acute propofol intoxication" in combination with two sedatives.
Jurors must choose between two competing theories offered by White and Dr. Steven Shafer, the prosecution's anesthesiologist, of how and when the fatal overdose entered Jackson's body.

Both doctors, longtime friends and colleagues, are among the top experts in the world concerning propofol.

White, in his testimony for the defense Friday, said the level of drugs found in Jackson's stomach, blood and urine, convinced him that the pop icon died after he rapidly injected himself with propofol on top of a large dose of lorazepam he swallowed when Murray was away.

Shafer, who testified over an 11-day span for the prosecution, concluded the "only scenario" that fits the scientific evidence is that Jackson was on a constant IV drip of propofol for three hours before his death.

Shafer testified that Murray must have also injected Jackson with a series of large doses of lorazepam, a sedative, hours before his death.

The prosecution theory requires "an incredible coincidence of circumstances" using a "befuddling" IV drip configuration and an "irrational" assumption about how Murray injected sedatives, White testified.

White testified Friday that it is his opinion Jackson died after he injected himself with a 25-milligram dose of propofol between 11:30 a.m. and noon. Testimony and phone records indicated it was about noon that Murray realized Jackson was not breathing.

White theorized that Jackson could have "pushed" the drug into an catheter in his leg using a syringe over a 15- to 30-second period, much faster than a doctor would have done.

"I believe it could potentially have lethal consequences," White testified.
Under cross-examination Monday, White theorized that Jackson used a syringe used by Murray when he gave Jackson a 25-milligram injection an hour earlier. Murray filled it with 50-milligrams initially, leaving it half-filled in Jackson's bedroom, under White's theory.

White said he ruled out the possibility that Murray would have injected the fatal dose unless "he wanted to potentially harm Mr. Jackson."

Walgren asked White if he thought Jackson intended to harm himself.

"I don't think he realized the potential danger," White replied.

Walgren pressed for White's opinion about Murray's decision to leave Jackson alone with a syringe of propofol, who he should have known was desperate for sleep and had "pushed" a syringe of propofol before.

"No, I would not leave the room," he said.

However, White defended Murray's decision to leave Jackson alone 30 minutes after he injected him with propofol because the danger of side effects would have passed.

"If you've observed the patient for 15 or 30 minutes you can certainly move away from the bedside," White said.

Dr. Shafer conceded last week that it was possible, under his theory, that Jackson, not Murray, could have been the one to open the IV drip to a fatal pace under his death theory.

Prosecutors contend Murray is responsible for Jackson's death, even if he did not give him the final and fatal dose, because he was criminally reckless in using the surgical anesthetic to help Jackson sleep without proper precautions.

While Jackson was hooked up to an IV drip, it only delivered a saline solution to keep him hydrated, the defense contends.

Shafer demonstrated in court how he believed the IV system was set up by Murray, but investigators never found a critical piece of tubing that would have been needed to infuse a propofol drip into the catheter in Jackson's left leg.

Prosecutor Walgren got White to agree Monday that the missing tubing was small enough for someone to put in their pocket, suggesting Murray may have taken it from the scene as paramedics were loading Jackson into an ambulance.

White, under re-direct questioning by the defense, said if Murray had put the tubing in his pocket it would have leaked propofol onto his pants.

The 100-milliliter propofol bottle prosecutors believe Murray used was empty when investigators found it, leading Shafer to conclude that the last drops entered Jackson's body just as his heart stopped beating.

White called it "an incredible coincidence of circumstances" that the bottle would empty exactly when Jackson died.

White also said such a flow of propofol would have made Jackson "sleepy but arousable and breathing spontaneously," but it would not have killed him.

But Murray's own words, spoken to police two days after Jackson's death, led the jury toward Shafer's drip theory and away from White's self-injection theory.

Murray told detectives that the pulse oxymeter monitor on Jackson's finger showed his heart was beating at 122 beats per minute after Murray realized his patient was not breathing. This would indicate Jackson suffered respiratory arrest first, followed about 10 minutes later by cardiac arrest, a cardiologist and Shafer both testified.

The difference is key to interpreting what the high level of propofol in Jackson's blood means, since a beating heart would circulate the drug through the liver, which would break it down into a metabolite.

White's theory that Jackson died quickly from a rapid injection requires the assumption that his heart almost immediately stopped beating, before Murray would have seen the monitor on his finger.

Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson canceled plans to fly to London this week for the premiere of a documentary about her late son so that she would not miss a verdict, her assistant told CNN. She will return to court Tuesday, he said.

Closing arguments could come Friday or next Monday, depending on how much time prosecutors take for their rebuttal case and how much time lawyers are given to prepare, according to sources close to the defense.

Michael Jackson's father Joe Jackson and sister La Toya Jackson were joined by Kathy Hilton -- a longtime friend of Michael Jackson and Paris Hilton's mother -- in the seats set aside for Jackson family Monday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/31/justice/california-conrad-murray-trial/
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: PureLove on October 31, 2011, 07:14:53 PM
GO MURRAY!   ::P
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: paula-c on October 31, 2011, 07:43:30 PM
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GO MURRAY!   ::P
si, si, si
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: ilovemjforever on October 31, 2011, 08:04:50 PM
wow,things could get very interesting if murray decides to testify.this could be the icing on the bamcake, lolol/ OMG! party/
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: MeandMyShadow on October 31, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
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wow,things could get very interesting if murray decides to testify.this could be the icing on the bamcake, lolol/ OMG! party/
I love it, the bamcake (LOL)  I hope so too!
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 31, 2011, 09:36:44 PM
b]Look at this picture, priceless, so pensive.. I wonder what he is thinking about.. By the way wasn't he at the hospital? Wasn't he transported to the hospital by ambulance?? This the illusion of him going to the hospital.. I think the movie the illusionist got to my head  lolol/ Love that movie.  I forsee he takes the stand.. yup he will.. Who thinks the same as I do??[/b]
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: ilovemjforever on October 31, 2011, 09:46:38 PM
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b]Look at this picture, priceless, so pensive.. I wonder what he is thinking about.. By the way wasn't he at the hospital? Wasn't he transported to the hospital by ambulance?? This the illusion of him going to the hospital.. I think the movie the illusionist got to my head  lolol/ Love that movie.  I forsee he takes the stand.. yup he will.. Who thinks the same as I do??[/b]
I have always felt that he would testify,so yerp i  am with u all4love,wonder why he has been taking notes this whole trial,he knows the script,he could be on his way to an oscar. /bravo/
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 31, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
I think he will take the stand.  This case is unprecedented, so testifying on his own behalf would also be historical to say the least and at this point it can't hurt him to do so.

The jury would get a first hand account of who he is. The affable, gentle giant with a big heart. He can tell his story and what happened that day through his eyes.

From a hoax perspective, I think it is crucial for him to take the stand (if you go on the theory that Murray represents Michael) then it is really Michael's story that you are hearing...who he is, how he thinks, what he feels (from his own lips)....everything the media doesn't show or want you to know about him.

It would be the performance of his life....and he's got nothing to lose! ;)

Go For It Murray!(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/misc/smiley-vault-misc-101.gif) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: RK on October 31, 2011, 09:59:42 PM
Please Murray, Please. Do it! We can't wait to hear from you.  bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: alfarle on October 31, 2011, 10:10:08 PM
I hope he does take the stand. It's starting to become highly redundant hearing other witnesses claim that MJ administered drugs himself while Murray was away.  :roll: Perhaps if he takes the stand , other ppl who were behind the conspiracy will be thrown under the bus. /judge/
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: Adi on October 31, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
hmmmm.....I wonder if he will.

I hope he does, but I am not sure that he will.

It would be great if he did though...imagine the drama, the suspense :)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: use_your_illusion on November 01, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Well if MJ s going ALL OUT in this HOAX he might put Murray on the stand, remember this is no ordinary court case...if it happens nothing will make me fall asleep not even Flanny...lol
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: Heartsong on November 01, 2011, 01:27:24 AM
Yes, he should. As Snoopy71 says he has nothing to lose now, as surely he can't think his defense is winning this for him.

Plus I'd really, really like to hear him address the prosecutions abandonment stance and also hear him justify his reasons for not calling 911 IMMEDIATELY.

Having said that, if he does get up, I venture he will be evasive, spineless and blame Michael for his actions.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: Aidan_81 on November 01, 2011, 07:14:01 AM
Like everyone here, I'd love him on stand.

..but he won't survive Walgren attack fresse/
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: MeandMyShadow on November 01, 2011, 09:13:00 AM
I agree, he would not be able to withstand Walgren, but what if Brazil does the questioning.  Has she done anyone besides the girlfriends?  In any case, I hope he does.  What does he have to lose? 

What did everyone think about Dr. White?  I can't believe this doctor would ruin his reputation in the medical community by some of the things he has said or tried not to say in regards to the way Murray took care or rather, did NOT take care of Michael. 

If I were part of the jury, I would tend to believe Shaver over him.  And I am trying NOT to be biased  ;D
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: use_your_illusion on November 01, 2011, 09:43:43 AM
Well it will be decided today before court, brace yourselves everyone, we might just witness Murray testify...hmmm...will he or won't he...well I hope he will.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: BeTheChange on November 01, 2011, 09:58:44 AM
I'm REALLY hoping that Murray gets up there.  If he does, I'll be on the edge of my seat the entire time!  If Mike wants to end this with a bang...I don't see any other way to do it at this point other than Murray testifying or a BAM occuring.  Because I LOVE thrillers and because I'm spoiled, I want both to happen :)

It's almost showtime...we'll find out soon enough.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on November 01, 2011, 10:04:31 AM
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hoping for murray to go on stand.... pleeeeeeeeeeeeease MJ
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: BeTheChange on November 01, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
Just announced on HLN...Murray will not be taking the stand :(

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: raphaelleanique on November 01, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
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Just announced on HLN...Murray will not be taking the stand :(

With L.O.V.E. always.


Did I misunderstand something? I don`t see it in a negative sense, if a guilty verdict should be the outcome in order to please everyone (see grace`s posts!), then Murray testifying does not seem to be necessary in the process, I guess
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: PureLove on November 01, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
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Just announced on HLN...Murray will not be taking the stand :(

With L.O.V.E. always.


Did I misunderstand something? I don`t see it in a negative sense, if a guilty verdict should be the outcome in order to please everyone (see grace`s posts!), then Murray testifying does not seem to be necessary in the process, I guess

Yep, it's not necessary. I think we just wanted to see him on the stand to hear what he was going to say and how he was going to act. ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray must decide by Tuesday if he'll testify
Post by: raphaelleanique on November 02, 2011, 05:10:30 AM
sure, to hear things out of his mouth certainly would have had an entertaining value  michael-jackson/
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