Raii, I hope you don't leave us. I've enjoyed your comments and getting to know you on the trial chat. I'd miss you being there. I understand what you are staying completely. I've never understood the intense driving force to "figure out" they why of the hoax. I presume if Michael wanted us to know, it wouldn't have taken him over two years to let us know. It's become a contest of who's right and who'd wrong and if you believe different you'll hear it. So, yes I think we've lost what is important in all of this. BUT, being here helps. It gives us outlet to talk about our thoughts and feelings about Michael and all of this without being deemed all those awful words Michael lived with. Also, I think being involved in the trial, is not so much about believing the media..because we are getting it right from the act of the trial it's self, and NOT the media. The trial must be tremendously important to have lead to it and to have it give us so many clues, and lies! Ignoring it is ignoring what Michael is showing you. Yes he taught us other things, but we have an on going message here still he's giving to us. It's not about the media. If we only got our info through the media I could understand. But, we are essentially there to take note of and learn whatever it is he wants.
I hope you stay.
Hello Rai,
I wanted to respond on your thoughts here ( even if we spoke more at the chat), it could be a possibility they way you describe it.
I wanted you to know my perspective on this, although i could be wrong also:
Without all the tabloid gossip and the media outlets, we wouldn't even know that Michael has "died", and we wouldn't know how it develops further without this trial. I believe Michael would want us to see and learn for ourselfs, to make up our own mind, to learn from it and to see the bigger picture here, to get all the pieces from the puzzle to fit in it.
I believe and we have heard from friends of Michael that even Michael uses the media and the tabloids, it was not always turning out the way he wanted to,... but still.
He wants to let us know that we can see the truth if we truly seek for it, and therefore we, and Michael himself need the media also.
We have to remember that it doesn't make it the gospel, when you heard or read something.
We always have to find out the truth, and i believe we can find the truth together, so don't leave the forum, it's here for Michael to spread HIS message and His Warnings to see whats going on.
Remember we learned so much from Michael without him this site couldn't exist the way it does now.
LOVE you from my heart bearhug
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@Allforlove
This is 10th times I am posting this info, really people? Conrad Robert Murray license exists on medical board and was suspended. I am not saying I give up on hoax theory over the trial, maybe whoever the defendant is not doctor Conrad Murray, I don't know, but the licensed cardiologist Murray is out there.
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LAS VEGAS, NV 89170Address of Record County: OUT OF STATE License Status: Licensee has been suspended. No practice is permitted. Public Record Action(s): Licensee's practice has been temporarily restricted or limited pursuant to a court order. Licensee was reprimanded for a minor violation(s) of the law. This is considered disciplinary action. Another state or the federal govenment has disciplined licensee. Original Issue Date: April 22, 1991 Expiration Date: February 28, 2011 School Name: MEHARRY MEDICAL COLLEGE SCHOOL OF MEDICINE Year Graduated: 1989
You know what? I'm going to completely ignore this Trial, Michael taught us not to get involved with the Media and to ignore the Media. I wanted to watch the Trial, then I realized exactly what Michael's message was.
That we pay way too much attention to the Media.
This Trial doesn't determine in anyway that Michael is Dead or alive, this Trial is something Michael has planned and wanted us to avoid because it's all part of the Media. Michael is trying to teach us a lesson about dismissing Tabloid Junk, yet we don't realize that even this Trial is pulling us towards the Media. Now that I realize I've watched this Trial, I feel grossly disappointed in myself for not realizing Michael's message sooner.
Think about it, we all let this Trial get to us... which is the reason we all watch it, to compensate for our own selfish needs, Michael wanted to teach us peace, unity and love.
Did you notice how the fans stuck together like glue during the Child molestation Trials in 1993 and 2005? that's pure unity.
Michael has played with our emotions through this Trial, to teach us an important lesson, now that our unity has split. We shouldn't ignore his messages, we should pay close attention to what he tried to preach for such a long time to us that we constantly ignored, even without seeing it.
I'm leaving the Forums soon, I'm tired of the assumptions through this Court case. I want to walk away and feel proud that I acknowledged Michael's teachings.
Keep on beLIEving, no matter the circumstance.
I wanted to watch the Trial, then I realized exactly what Michael's message was..................which is the reason we all watch it, to compensate for our own selfish needs, Michael wanted to teach us peace, unity and love.........................We shouldn't ignore his messages, we should pay close attention to what he tried to preach for such a long time to us that we constantly ignored, even without seeing it
1. “People always say, oh they’ll take care of it..they’ll, they who? It starts with us…us, or it’ll never be done."(Michael in THIS IS IT)
2. "People don't even eat with their fathers anymore, or their mothers. The family bond has been broken, it's an outcry for attention." (Michael gets emotional here and breaks down)(Michael to Martin Bashir )
"Why are kids going to school with guns? They want to be touched, they want to be held, but they [the parents] are busy off on their day job and they leave them at home on the computer and they're just doing all kinds of crazy stuff. And that's destroying our bond. We need to bond again, that's very important."
"I'm just very sensitive to their pain and I am very sensitive to the family, the human condition, you know? On that subject, it means a lot to me and I want to help. Whatever I can to help that..... Everything, in my heart, is for them."
The film is a comedy that spoofs movies and television programs like Miss Congeniality, Planet of the Apes, Cast Away, Love Boat, Gilligan's Island, The Sixth Sense, Jurassic Park, Men in Black and more. Michael Jackson plays the role of Agent MJ. Jackson's scenes were shot at his Neverland Ranch home. The DVD includes 20 minutes of unreleased, never before seen Michael Jackson footage, not limited to interviews of the world's greatest entertainer.
You know what? I'm going to completely ignore this Trial, Michael taught us not to get involved with the Media and to ignore the Media. I wanted to watch the Trial, then I realized exactly what Michael's message was.
That we pay way too much attention to the Media.
This Trial doesn't determine in anyway that Michael is Dead or alive, this Trial is something Michael has planned and wanted us to avoid because it's all part of the Media. Michael is trying to teach us a lesson about dismissing Tabloid Junk, yet we don't realize that even this Trial is pulling us towards the Media. Now that I realize I've watched this Trial, I feel grossly disappointed in myself for not realizing Michael's message sooner.
Think about it, we all let this Trial get to us... which is the reason we all watch it, to compensate for our own selfish needs, Michael wanted to teach us peace, unity and love.
Did you notice how the fans stuck together like glue during the Child molestation Trials in 1993 and 2005? that's pure unity.
Michael has played with our emotions through this Trial, to teach us an important lesson, now that our unity has split. We shouldn't ignore his messages, we should pay close attention to what he tried to preach for such a long time to us that we constantly ignored, even without seeing it.
I'm leaving the Forums soon, I'm tired of the assumptions through this Court case. I want to walk away and feel proud that I acknowledged Michael's teachings.
Keep on beLIEving, no matter the circumstance.
Dear Raikiramari I feel everything you said above,BELIEVE me :(.From the begining I knew that I dont want to watch the TRIAL,not AGAIN :(,this is what I feel and I want to be honest with you and everyone who is reading my post.
This part of your post,really hit me hard,because is EXACTLY what I THINK about THE TRIAL:QuoteI wanted to watch the Trial, then I realized exactly what Michael's message was..................which is the reason we all watch it, to compensate for our own selfish needs, Michael wanted to teach us peace, unity and love.........................We shouldn't ignore his messages, we should pay close attention to what he tried to preach for such a long time to us that we constantly ignored, even without seeing it
Now I want to tell what I feel from my point of wiew,by showing you 3 things,that I think represents very well on what we should FOCUSE:Quote1. “People always say, oh they’ll take care of it..they’ll, they who? It starts with us…us, or it’ll never be done."(Michael in THIS IS IT)Quote2. "People don't even eat with their fathers anymore, or their mothers. The family bond has been broken, it's an outcry for attention." (Michael gets emotional here and breaks down)(Michael to Martin Bashir )
"Why are kids going to school with guns? They want to be touched, they want to be held, but they [the parents] are busy off on their day job and they leave them at home on the computer and they're just doing all kinds of crazy stuff. And that's destroying our bond. We need to bond again, that's very important."
"I'm just very sensitive to their pain and I am very sensitive to the family, the human condition, you know? On that subject, it means a lot to me and I want to help. Whatever I can to help that..... Everything, in my heart, is for them."
3.Recently Miss Cast Away movie was released on DVD ,and will be broadcast on TV also.On 29 july Hesouttamylife posted a info about this but no one replied.Recently a member of this forum who's name is Tove posted this news again,and no one saw it,this time also :(. My point is that THIS MOVIE has a serious MESSAGE and I said this before but no one noticed I guess. For the first time I saw this movie I felt is something DIFFERENT.Here is a short describe of the movie:QuoteThe film is a comedy that spoofs movies and television programs like Miss Congeniality, Planet of the Apes, Cast Away, Love Boat, Gilligan's Island, The Sixth Sense, Jurassic Park, Men in Black and more. Michael Jackson plays the role of Agent MJ. Jackson's scenes were shot at his Neverland Ranch home. The DVD includes 20 minutes of unreleased, never before seen Michael Jackson footage, not limited to interviews of the world's greatest entertainer.
And now the conclusion ,lol ;).Last year I saw on youtube part 10 of the Movie Cast AWAY,but after some time that video was gone :?.The 10-th part had the CREDITS also.Down the video I saw a COMMENT that I want to share with you all:
People this is not ENTERTAINMENT!!!It's criptic message left by Mj.Every single character in this movie is a METAPHOR for something TAKING OVER OUR LIFES.......(one clue:THE POPCORN and COOL DRINK CARTOON represents CINEMA or MAKE BELIEVE- Mj wants to destroy it) wow.I can finally say after seeing this movie ,I can see his full picture and MISSION!!!
LOVE
The only reason I still believe is that there are no clear pictures of MJ being dead. Not one clear photo. How is that possible? He is the most famous person in the world.
And then the closed casket at the memorial, not a chance for the fans to say goodbye to MJ and to look at him for the last time.
When my niece died she had an open casket at her funeral, she was hit by a drunk driver. She had bruises on her face and hands, a beautiful young lady a week after her 21th birthday, torned away from life :cry: . I mean you have to give people a chance to say goodbye.
They give him 3 years in prison, just because of the fact that the man was 73 years old. >:(
The only reason I still believe is that there are no clear pictures of MJ being dead. Not one clear photo. How is that possible? He is the most famous person in the world.
And then the closed casket at the memorial, not a chance for the fans to say goodbye to MJ and to look at him for the last time.
When my niece died she had an open casket at her funeral, she was hit by a drunk driver. She had bruises on her face and hands, a beautiful young lady a week after her 21th birthday, torned away from life :cry: . I mean you have to give people a chance to say goodbye.
They give him 3 years in prison, just because of the fact that the man was 73 years old. >:(
Raii, I hope you don't leave us. I've enjoyed your comments and getting to know you on the trial chat. I'd miss you being there. I understand what you are staying completely. I've never understood the intense driving force to "figure out" they why of the hoax. I presume if Michael wanted us to know, it wouldn't have taken him over two years to let us know. It's become a contest of who's right and who'd wrong and if you believe different you'll hear it. So, yes I think we've lost what is important in all of this. BUT, being here helps. It gives us outlet to talk about our thoughts and feelings about Michael and all of this without being deemed all those awful words Michael lived with. Also, I think being involved in the trial, is not so much about believing the media..because we are getting it right from the act of the trial it's self, and NOT the media. The trial must be tremendously important to have lead to it and to have it give us so many clues, and lies! Ignoring it is ignoring what Michael is showing you. Yes he taught us other things, but we have an on going message here still he's giving to us. It's not about the media. If we only got our info through the media I could understand. But, we are essentially there to take note of and learn whatever it is he wants.
I hope you stay.
I can't make a decision, ford. I've been trying to comprehend this for a long time.
But that's the problem, ignoring it is the only way of solving it. For those who want to continue watching the Trial, that's fine. I stand by myself here.
@Allforlove
This is 10th times I am posting this info, really people? Conrad Robert Murray license exists on medical board and was suspended. I am not saying I give up on hoax theory over the trial, maybe whoever the defendant is not doctor Conrad Murray, I don't know, but the licensed cardiologist Murray is out there.
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TEACHING - 1 TO 9 HOURS
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(http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/Images/plus.gif)G 71169 Licensee may be a U.S. or Canadian medical school graduate whose pathway to licensure was based on the NBME examination. License Type: Physician and Surgeon Name: CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY, M.D. Address of Record: (http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/Images/plus.gif) PO BOX 72216
LAS VEGAS, NV 89170Address of Record County: OUT OF STATE License Status: Licensee has been suspended. No practice is permitted. Public Record Action(s): Licensee's practice has been temporarily restricted or limited pursuant to a court order. Licensee was reprimanded for a minor violation(s) of the law. This is considered disciplinary action. Another state or the federal govenment has disciplined licensee. Original Issue Date: April 22, 1991 Expiration Date: February 28, 2011 School Name: MEHARRY MEDICAL COLLEGE SCHOOL OF MEDICINE Year Graduated: 1989
@Allforlove
This is 10th times I am posting this info, really people? Conrad Robert Murray license exists on medical board and was suspended. I am not saying I give up on hoax theory over the trial, maybe whoever the defendant is not doctor Conrad Murray, I don't know, but the licensed cardiologist Murray is out there.
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I have long been a supporter of Michael Jackson being alive still and hoaxing his death. Ive had this view now since the death and after being a long time supporter of Michael Jackson since my early childhood.
But in all honesty the outcome of the Conrad Murray trial will completely resolve the possibilty of a death hoax. [dot]REPLY:[/dot] don't understand how this trial or the outcome could simply disolve all of the evidence of DH. this comment baffles me completely. regardless of this trial, there is still far more evidence of DH than there is of actual death. HOW does guilty verdict eliminate the fact that there is no real evidence of his death and so much evidence of a well and long planned DH???? If Michael Jackson was reall hoaxing his death, then member of the family would not have pushed for a case against Connrad Murray. [dot]REPLY:[/dot] sounds like you have already made your mind up regardless of verdict anyways. of course the family had to push for courtcase. everyone is playing their part. if they didnt - that would not only 'look wrong' and not support hoax and reasons for hoax.[/color] Because as people may know, a guilty verdict, along side with a Michael Jackson bam in the furture would result in purgery as well as further legal remifications against Michael Jackson and his benefactors. [dot]REPLY:[/dot] not if its not even a real courtcase or a real guilty verdict. only time will tell if this is even a real courtroom, or simply a courtroom drama filmed in a courtroom. TIME.....
Its a hard to accept truth, and as much as I wanted to overlook it, this trial is the answer we have been looking for.
Do not underestimate Michael and what he is capable of. Murray can even go to home jail, would you believe it? Keep on believing whatever happens because he is alive and he is going to come back!
I would like to know where you find this is media? It is a trial.. Court room. That is no media. We are simply listening to witnesses. It is not the media who is defending Murray real lawyers. This has been fabricated by Michael, so where do you see the Media?? If you can give me a concrete debate then I would tell you it was nice meeting you.. For now it is not really concrete. You probably are losing faith, and you are taking this excuse to leave the forum.. You are entitled to believe what ever you want.. For me Michael is alive, nothing makes sense.. The ambulance picture is fake, the gurney picture is fake, and the autopsy pic is fake.. Nothing is real.. Remember all the slip ups of Jermaine, he left way before to the airport.. Why Airport?? Someone can have twist of the tongue, but a similar word to hospital, he could have said hospice, just example, why airport?? I will tell you why, when you want to hide things, the more effort you put into it, the more it will come out. I know it happens to me.. So take the slip ups of Jermaine and put them in good use.. I hope I made my points across, and made you change your mind.
Blessings.
And one must not forget that it is Michael "Joseph" Jackson that died in this trial... not Michael Joe Jackson.