Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Michael Jackson Forum => Random MJ Talk => Topic started by: hagitg on September 28, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
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Hey friends,
this is actually my very first post.
been here for a while, but never felt the need to write.
but now... now i know you guys are the only ones who can understand what I'm feeling.
It's a holiday here in israel, a beginning of a new jewish year. not that i'm religious (not at all actually) but it's still suppose to be a happy day. and yet, all I can think about is that picture of michael's "body" and that creepy audio of yesterday and it hurts so bad.
I've been a believer for over two years now. as a journalist I've written two huge articles about the hoax in israeli magazines and I'm talking about it with anyone whos willing to listen. from the second I started to believe, i never looked back. never questioned, never thought MJ might actually be dead,
so why am i so sad today?
why do i have such a crappy gut feeling?
and the main question mark that's bothering me: what's going to happen if murray will go to jail? will that mean that MJ really is dead?
it makes me question all of this. I know the facts, I saw the clues with my own eyes. I've read everything and taken it all in. and I'm an intelligent woman, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that something is fishy as hell with MJ's "death", but could it just be that we all want to believe, cause we're having trouble saying goodbye?
GOD, I hate this!!!
I wanna go back to believing that MJ is still out there, alive, happy and free.
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That happened to me too. When you see/hear things like this, it does make you believe Michael is dead. But this is all fake! He's alive! ;)
Don't forget everything that made you believe. You've been a believer for 2 years for a reason ! Don't let all that go to waste just because of the trial. You can't have a rainbow without rain! albino/
Try going back and re-watching hoax videos, or if you follow TS, go back and read all his posts. That's what I do when I feel doubt, but I don't even feel doubt, because I know in my heart that Michael is alive. Sometimes, everyone needs a little "pick-me-up" though. 8-)
You can also go read this:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=76
If you want to talk, I'm always here! bearhug
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I feel exactly the same as you... I've been coming here for over two years, believing... But this trial looks SO DAMN REAL that I just can't stand it! /overreacting/
Let's hug each other..... bearhug
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just because we may not be correct about every aspect of what has happened doesn't have to mean michael isn't still alive. keep your head up.
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Remember Michael's words to "US" at the end of this is it "LOVE LIVES FOREVER"! Well Michael IS LOVE!!...take these words to heart, and never stop Believing! Keep the Faith, family...keep holding on to Michael's hand...Never let go!! It's all for LOVE!!!
I Love you all! bearhug
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It's almost over guys. Just one more month. Be strong and remember the things we have found till today. Keep the Faith!
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TS will not let us down.. I know how you feel. Please keep the faith, and be positive.. Michael sees us being doubtful and it is not good for him. He needs us, now more then ever.. This goes for all of us.. FAITH, + POSITIVE.. BLESSINGS.
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Hi hagitg, and welcome to you. It's just the opposite with me. The more I see and hear with this trial, the more encouraged and positive I am becoming. It's just dawning on me the overwhelming genius of this man, Michael Jackson. It is just so perfectly clear that he is in total control of this. The time he has spent on detail is beyond words. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and what it will accomplish. L.O.V.E. and blessings to you.
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Same here and I'm so sorry I'm not able anymore to BELIEVE (in capitals), to be 100% sure Michael is still with us. I have more and more doubts now in spite of everything I know, read, hear or/and see after the last two years . I'm aware the 'evidence' we have is hard to be chewed but now, after yesterday... And there is something more that worries me .Since the first moment, I 've been convinced that Michael wouldn't have done anything bad to his children , that his Achilles' heel were his kids. Never he could have hurt them in any way! Therefore , if Prince or/and Paris testifies, I'll be devastated. :( Of course, they could do that but we have to admit that education and welfare of a child could be irrevocably affected , belive me, and MJ ...
I love Michel Joe Jackson and I love you all, guys! bearhug
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People need to stop letting their emotions overrule and cloud their rational thinking. Focus on everything we've discovered over the past two and a bit years. I don't want to sound heavy, but I don't like seeing you guys get tossed around in the sea of confusion. That's not fun and it's torment. This is just the beginning. Do what you gotta do. Lash yourself to the mast of the ship in the storm if you need, just don't roll over and go belly up, cause we're almost there, hang in, it's gonna be alright.
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Watch the trial live as much as you can. We will discuss here together as a family what is going on. You are not alone in this.
beerchug
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Blessings to each of you that are struggling tonight Group hug :)
I know how difficult it is for you - I feel the pain and heartache through your words. You are sincerely appreciated and I want to thank you for sharing your heart with us. When you truly love and care for someone you don't want to see them hurt. Their pain becomes yours and you carry their burden. It's almost unthinkable that you won't see that person again in the flesh.
However, I'd like for us to focus on the pain and suffering that Michael has endured for the past 20 years. Everything from being called a child m..., to bleaching his skin because he didn't want to be black. He's been accused, abused, ridiculed, kicked when down, abandoned, and laughed at. The FBI investigated him for decades. His life was threatened and so was his family. He wasn't allowed to be human or show human emotion in the eyes of the media or general public or else it would be used against him. Even his childhood religion turned their backs on him.
I remember the media jokes when he bought Neverland. They were cruel in making jokes about him wanting to be Peter Pan, not wanting to grow up, and being out of touch with reality. I remember how the media hardly ever mentioned all of the money he gave away to charity but they were quick to post his small mishaps as though he was never allowed to make a mistake. He lived with that for years. Whenever he did good it seemed like there were more that were ready to pounce and take advantage of his kindness. He was sued more than any other entertainer. I read that at one point he had over 70 lawsuits pending. I don't think we are even close to knowing all the pain and suffering that Michael has endured over the years. Yet, he was always patient and graceful to his supporters.
So, I take all of this into consideration and believe in my heart that true justice and vindication comes with patience, wisdom, and understanding. This is Michael's time to teach the world a lesson of L.O.V.E. and who are we to walk away and desert him when he needs us the most? Hang in there, it's always darkest before the dawn.
Remember - don't believe everything you see and read. Even if Murray is convicted it doesn't mean Michael is dead.
Much love to each of you.
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People need to stop letting their emotions overrule and cloud their rational thinking. Focus on everything we've discovered over the past two and a bit years. I don't want to sound heavy, but I don't like seeing you guys get tossed around in the sea of confusion. That's not fun and it's torment. This is just the beginning. Do what you gotta do. Lash yourself to the mast of the ship in the storm if you need, just don't roll over and go belly up, cause we're almost there, hang in, it's gonna be alright.
I love that RK! Buckle down the hatches, the ride is about to get really bumpy. Hang on to the life preservers (faith and hope). They together with L.O.V.E. and patience will get you safely through the storm. Blessings :)
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Happy New Year Hagitg! Thanks for all you have done to educate non-beLIEvers to the hoax in your county. I am feeling just like you and many of the others on our forum. It is hard to believe that the trial and all of its craziness is real but I keep asking how can it all be fake. Although I must admit the picture looks very fake, as does the ambulance picture. We certainly don't know who took it and when. Same with the creepy audio. It does sound like Michael's voice significantly slowed down and processed. If Murray recorded it, why? Did he know at the time that he would need it as evidence that MIchael was on drugs besides what he was pushing into him in the event he died. That just doesn't add up.
RK is right that we have to be strong and get through this horrible time in the hoax timeline. But, it ain't going to be easy and I too am very worried about it and us. So much points to this being a hoax and the genius work of our sweek Michael. But, then we see the pictures and tetimony of the past 2 days and it makes you want to scream!! /scream/ /pull hair/
L.O.V.E.
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Welcome hagitg! I think the trial looks so-o real and genuine too. But that's what this forum is all about--a major support group. I know full well after watching the courtroom drama, that the sharp eyes and minds here quickly find all the many flaws and hoaxy clues. Then also if you've studied the Back thread, where we think Back seems to be now Front, that Front is predicting specific things that turn out to be true and happen in court. Proof that it is staged!
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Welcome to the forum hagitg, u're not alone in this, when i first saw MJ's "dead" photo on the stretcher, i almost lost my faith, it was very emotional and frastrating for all of us but i try to keep an open mind as long as i can, now i'm like 50/50. Keep the faith
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I think the inaccurate state seal on the "official" court room wall blows this whole hoax court wide open. Thank Souza for it.
The official California State Seal has 31 stars. Fact. The seal displayed on the court room live feed during breaks has 32 stars. Count them for yourself if you like.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/seals.png)
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first of all
bearhug
honey you're not alone in this, if i had a penny for the moments where i lost a bit of faith, i wud b a millionaire
i've had my times wer i go > WTF??
times wer i go > OMG!
times wer i go > /overreacting/
times weri go > /pull hair/ /scream/
times wer i go bangbang
and even times wer i go /woohoo/ party/ /woohoo/
i understand that Murray's lawyer seems to be really crap at defending Murray but things can change, especially @ times wen u least expect it! wen i got the news that Michael died, i cried but my heart and mind couldn't accept and now i know why! just "keep the faith" and "keep your head up". if u do have those moments, always come back here coz that's wot i do xx
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Welcome to the forum....and yes, I too felt like a bomb had dropped,
BUT, absolutely nothing seems real with all the pictures and tapes being released as evidence..
Ask yourself, WHY.....Why would Murray tape MJ talking that way???
When the most important tapes are missing...the ones of the security camera inside the house..
Why there be a picture taken of MJ lying dead on a gurney??? Did the family take it as a lasting memory??
I was listening to the radio in Australia this morning, as we have been saturated with the whole trial thing........and the broadcasters had a special guest on, calling the trial A CIRCUS..and just how weird the whole thing is and has become a joke...so if the genaral public feel this way, then we can safely say this is all too suspicious to be a real trial...
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you guys are the best!
reading all your comments really made me feel a lot better.
thank you so much!
bearhug
I guess having doubts is just a part of this whole thing.
I woke up this morning with a strong feeling that everything will be ok.
I took another look at the "body" pic and realized it makes no sense what so ever, regardless of how strange it looks, since when do they let photos of dead celebrities to be publish?! did anyone see a pic of amy winehouse's dead body? nop. anna nicole smith? nop.
WIRED!!!
mj_dance/
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yes i feel the same when more and more so call "facts"come out
but we should remember it's all in the game (quote"all in your name")
Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons!
keep the faith!.the time is come to This Is It /pull hair/ /pull hair/ /pull hair/
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you guys are the best!
reading all your comments really made me feel a lot better.
thank you so much!
bearhug
I guess having doubts is just a part of this whole thing.
I woke up this morning with a strong feeling that everything will be ok.
I took another look at the "body" pic and realized it makes no sense what so ever, regardless of how strange it looks, since when do they let photos of dead celebrities to be publish?! did anyone see a pic of amy winehouse's dead body? nop. anna nicole smith? nop.
WIRED!!!
mj_dance/
hagitg.we are all one!
Michael needs us!
yes.i was shocked by the photo.the recordings.
but if we look and listen carefully ag.
we could figure out sth unreasonable
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I understand you, I lose/regain my faith as about 1000000....times a day crash/
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Nothing out of this trial will impact the strength of my faith in MJ and Believing in this hoax and enjoy the
circus trial. I stand strong in what i believe in and nothing will change that smiley_spider
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I understand you, I lose/regain my faith as about 1000000....times a day crash/
bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug here dear put this in storage to use as we go along.
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I understand everyone, it is normal reaction that we change our minds upon what he hear and see. Remember one thing, all the information we found since June 25/2009.. Only this should put a smile on your face and say Michael is alive. Now Bec has posted the seal of california. I will copy paste what she wrote:
The official California State Seal has 31 stars. Fact. The seal displayed on the court room live feed during breaks has 32 stars. Count them for yourself if you like.
So only that should make you realise that it is a hoax. If it is a real court you need to put the accurate seal. I say to everyone to keep the FAITH, IT IS EASIER TO GIVE UP THAN TO PERSEVERE REMEMBER THAT. MICHAEL NEVER GAVE UP WHEN HE WAS DOWN HE GOT BACK UP AND FAUGHT EVERYONE UNTIL TODAY.. SO WHY ARE WE LOSING FAITH ON HIM NOW? HOW DO YOU THINK HE FEEL IF WE ALL GAVE UP ON HIM? COME ON BE POSITIVE AND HAVE FAITH.. WHY IS IT I HAVE SO MUCH FAITH IN THIS AND SOME OF YOU ARE JUST GIVING UP.. I HATE TO SEE PEOPLE GIVING UP ON MICHAEL.. Blessings
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At first I got depressed when they released that voice call. But, it was because I knew most people would believe it really is Michael and that he had such an extreme problem. Then I thought, it's part of the show. Maybe it is him, trying to catch a drug pushing doc. Maybe he escaped in time to save his life and catch these people. Everyone believing that voice will know one day. The pic really disgusted me. Made me sorta ill and doubt. But, then I found that pic on the Visions dvd and I am again reassured it's a hoax. Same with that state seal. They are dropping clues all the time. Flannigan's tie. The defense trying to say or intimidate that Michael was faking sleep (HA!!!) to take pills after the doc left the room!!! How'd the doc know he left the room if he was out...how'd he know what Michael did if he was out of the room....How'd Michael know the doc would leave the room if he was laying there knocked out presumedly....These to me are new lines in the script...we are really in for a show before this is done!!!
As far as the kids being hurt, or the family...they are the greatest entertaining family of earth!!!! They are all acting. Isn't that what the kids keep saying?? They want to act..direct? They are taking lessons...Guess from WHO!!! :)
Hold firm because, yes the trial may be over in just 6 weeks, but we know Michael won't be back probably around that time, because Jermaine said the trial will not be bringing Michael back. There must be another purpose for the trial.
We are here together and it takes us all to strengthen eachother.
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After watching the first and second day of trial, my impression grows that this is a sting court, where the target is the media and the people who call in sick Michael and drugged.
It is too early to give up.
By the way, everyone noticed the sunflower cravat's Flanagan yesterday? 8-)
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At first I got depressed when they released that voice call. But, it was because I knew most people would believe it really is Michael and that he had such an extreme problem. Then I thought, it's part of the show. Maybe it is him, trying to catch a drug pushing doc. Maybe he escaped in time to save his life and catch these people. Everyone believing that voice will know one day. The pic really disgusted me. Made me sorta ill and doubt. But, then I found that pic on the Visions dvd and I am again reassured it's a hoax. Same with that state seal. They are dropping clues all the time. Flannigan's tie. The defense trying to say or intimidate that Michael was faking sleep (HA!!!) to take pills after the doc left the room!!! How'd the doc know he left the room if he was out...how'd he know what Michael did if he was out of the room....How'd Michael know the doc would leave the room if he was laying there knocked out presumedly....These to me are new lines in the script...we are really in for a show before this is done!!!
As far as the kids being hurt, or the family...they are the greatest entertaining family of earth!!!! They are all acting. Isn't that what the kids keep saying?? They want to act..direct? They are taking lessons...Guess from WHO!!! :)
Hold firm because, yes the trial may be over in just 6 weeks, but we know Michael won't be back probably around that time, because Jermaine said the trial will not be bringing Michael back. There must be another purpose for the trial.
We are here together and it takes us all to strengthen eachother.
what do you mean, you found the pic on the vision DVD?
where?
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Michael Jackson - Unbreakable
Now I'm just wondering why you think
That you can get to me with anything
Seems like you'd now by now
When and how I get down
And with all that I've been through, I'm still around
Don't you ever make no mistake
Baby I've got what it takes
And there's no way you'll ever get to me
Why can't you see that you'll never ever hurt me
'Cause I won't let it be
See I'm too much for you baby
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
Now you can't stop me even though you think
That if you block me, you've done your thing
And when you bury me underneath all your pain
I'm steady laughin', while surfacing
Don't you ever make no mistake
Baby I've got what it takes
And there's no way you'll ever get to me
Why can't you see that you'll never ever hurt me
'Cause I won't let it be, see I`m too much for you baby
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
You can try to stop me, but it won't do a thing
No matter what you do, I'm still gonna be here
Through all your lies and silly games
I'm a still remain the same, I'm unbreakable
Uh, uh, what, uh
A lime to a lemon
My D.C. women
Bringin' in then G minimums to condos
With elevators in 'em
Vehicles with televisions in 'em
Watch they entourage turn yours to just mirages
Disappearing acts, strictly nines and macs
Killers be serial, Copperfield material
My dream is vivid, work hard to live it
Any place I visit, I got land there
How can players stand there and say I sound like them, hello?!
Push wigs back and push six coupes, that's yellow
Plus clips that expand from hand to elbow
Spray up your Day's Inn, any 'telle you in
Crack braggin', sick of braggin', how my mink be draggin'
Desert ease, street sweeper inside the beamer wagon
I rely on Bed-Stuy to shut it down if I die
Put that on my diamond bezel, you're messin' with the devil
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
Now I don't think I understand the rap, but I hope you get what I mean! Don't lose faith!
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I know where you are at...I was feeling the same and thinking, if Murray goes to jail, that is what will close the book on the possibility of the hoax, because how can anyone actually be sentenced to jail time if he has done nothing actually? How could MJ get him to do that if he was in on the hoax and part of the play? Please read my post I just put in titled "My friend's comment on MJ & current trial"....my friend who has not been a die hard follower of the whole idea - is beginning to put some thoughts to question and has given me some hope that it MAY still be part of the hoax - if Murray goes to jail (for limited time) ...that part of my friend's opinion is not totally insane - if you think about it. If it's worth anything, we've come this far - in believing...what would it hurt to hold on a bit more? If Murray gets out after a mere 2 years (as alot of jail time does get cut short in so many other cases) that would make a total of 4 years - remember that 4 years that MJ spoke about on stage in the film? Could it add up to what he was talking about? HAVE HOPE....It won't hurt...you've already been hurt - just take the baby steps - we won't know anything until each new sunrise....and each sunrise might reveal something new.... party/
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Hey... I feel exactly the same way. I've been a believer since the very start and have never had much doubt over the past two years. In some way the idea that Michael might be alive helped me to cheer myself up all this time. I had already lost the two most important persons in my life shortly before I got the news about Michael's “death” and since a few weeks I begin to wonder if I didn't tried to persuade myself of this hoax-thing because I just couldn't accept that my favorite singer could also be gone for good...
I absolutely hate this feeling and miss the time when I had no doubt but then I try to think about all the clues and I usually regain faith and hope.
So, just keep the faith until the BAM-day come. bearhug