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Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: IWantYouBack on September 27, 2011, 01:56:37 PM

Title: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: IWantYouBack on September 27, 2011, 01:56:37 PM
Hey all, http://yfrog.com/h0edxvosj

Here is a link ( http://yfrog.com/h0edxvosj ) to the photo used in the trial, which is a picture of MJ lying on a stretcher at the hospital.

This makes me VERY sad... But I'm not throwing in the towel yet. My only question: Why does MJ have straight hair if he had curly hair the night before he died?

What are your thoughts?

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg612/scaled.php?tn=0&server=612&filename=edxvos.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: hachiman on September 27, 2011, 02:06:29 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/28/article-2042463-0E1E36DA00000578-304_634x297.jpg)(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/27/article-2042463-0E1D239100000578-677_634x409.jpg])

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042463/Michael-Jacksons-doctor-Conrad-Murrays-landmark-manslaughter-trial-starts-LA.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042463/Michael-Jacksons-doctor-Conrad-Murrays-landmark-manslaughter-trial-starts-LA.html)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on September 27, 2011, 02:12:24 PM
He and Murray played hairdressers?

I still believe, I always will. This photo is fake - it could be from the time of that Pepsi commercial ... but not from 2009.

I missed first part so I don't know what did they say about this picture ... Can you please tell me? Who/when/were took that picture? What did the attorney said about it?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: _Anna_ on September 27, 2011, 02:30:36 PM
The photo is not taken exactly like standing in front of the gurney. It is taken from a 10-15 degrees perspective which can alter a little the dimeonsions in his lower body. But not as to make him look half shrunk from waist to feet. Have a look.... I have a trained perspective eye and for me this doesn't look normal....  from the waist to feet and also the wrist and hand are extremelly little in comparison to his upper arm and his natural bone structure.

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1490/5453copy.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/5453copy.jpg/)


(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6328/gurneyinhospitalhallway.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/gurneyinhospitalhallway.jpg/)

Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 27, 2011, 02:35:37 PM
I also thought it looks too short to be michael. & why is the photo so low-quality & dark? Who did they say took the photo?  :?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: IWantYouBack on September 27, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
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He and Murray played hairdressers?
 
 I still believe, I always will. This photo is fake - it could be from the time of that Pepsi commercial ... but not from 2009.
 
 I missed first part so I don't know what did they say about this picture ... Can you please tell me? Who/when/were took that picture? What did the attorney said about it?
 

 To be honest, they didn't mention the details about the picture. It was simply the background of the power point presentation used in the trial. All they said/showed was a picture of MJ performing on June 24, then a pic of MJ on June 25, which was him lying on a stretcher.
 
 These are my thoughts of the picture:
 
 1) The picture looks old, photoshopped, and low-rez. Why, in a professional trial such as this one would they even try to use a picture that looks like it was taken from a first-generation cellphone? Also, now a days, hospitals have beds that are high-tech. They move up and down and everything. The stretcher MJ was on looks like a stretcher from the 80's. This is NOT an UTD stretcher used in hospitals now a days.
 
 2) Michael's hair was CURLY the night before (June 24) while rehearsing for TII. Yet, not even a whole 24 hours after MJ arrived home, his hair is perfectly straight. Almost like he went to a professional hairdresser to get it straightened.
 
 Therefore, I believe this photo is fake and ridiculous.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 27, 2011, 02:48:57 PM
Strange photo.. :? it's like a photo from an old Western movie or smtg..
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: AnaMarcia on September 27, 2011, 02:57:07 PM
This is ridiculous sensacionalism!

This pic is not 2009.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: paula-c on September 27, 2011, 03:01:05 PM
Who made that photo,.. God!!!!! Look at the hand
 
 
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/27/article-2042463-0E1D238D00000578-728_634x408.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ISingYouToMe on September 27, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
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He and Murray played hairdressers?
 
 I still believe, I always will. This photo is fake - it could be from the time of that Pepsi commercial ... but not from 2009.
 
 I missed first part so I don't know what did they say about this picture ... Can you please tell me? Who/when/were took that picture? What did the attorney said about it?
 

 To be honest, they didn't mention the details about the picture. It was simply the background of the power point presentation used in the trial. All they said/showed was a picture of MJ performing on June 24, then a pic of MJ on June 25, which was him lying on a stretcher.
 
 These are my thoughts of the picture:
 
 1) The picture looks old, photoshopped, and low-rez. Why, in a professional trial such as this one would they even try to use a picture that looks like it was taken from a first-generation cellphone? Also, now a days, hospitals have beds that are high-tech. They move up and down and everything. The stretcher MJ was on looks like a stretcher from the 80's. This is NOT an UTD stretcher used in hospitals now a days.

 2) Michael's hair was CURLY the night before (June 24) while rehearsing for TII. Yet, not even a whole 24 hours after MJ arrived home, his hair is perfectly straight. Almost like he went to a professional hairdresser to get it straightened.
 
 Therefore, I believe this photo is fake and ridiculous.
Omg yes! to the bolded part...i was like "what type of ghetto ass stretcher do they have him on?"lol and the quality of the pic is horrible.
This photo is very sad but why is the head of the stretcher raised? for his "comfort"? a 'dead' body doesnt' need the head of bead raised, i would think the stretcher would be flat bc they were working on the body.. and the head is lolled toward the camera..how convenient. the sheet should be covering his upper body it looks messy, this is how he was presented to the family?
imo this easily could be set up, no date, no one else in the pic, no hospital sign on the wall
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: AnaMarcia on September 27, 2011, 03:08:57 PM
 /pull hair/ /scream/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Tink.I.Am on September 27, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
We have no way of knowing when this photo was taken.. two years ago or last week.
We  have no way of telling if the person on the photo is alive or dead.
The photo in itself is to grainy to get a good look if it is MJ or soemone who is suppose to look like MJ.
This is all for the show!
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on September 27, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Well.. if this is Michael...  all behind this, which I believe he is - it is very brave of him to share with us such intimate photos...Remember - it's all about the vindication of the MAN. He is also human. Has his ups and downs....
 
Anyway, makes me sad...  :-\
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Tink.I.Am on September 27, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/09/27/0927-michael-bed-dead-sub.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MFFreedom on September 27, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
 WTF?? Haven't posted in a while - this looks soooo staged. As if they made sure his head was turned so it was seen ... WTF??
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ISingYouToMe on September 27, 2011, 03:30:32 PM
Ok did some research and he is not on a high tech bed but a stretcher like this one...
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/100034574/Stryker_1210_Hospital_Stretcher.jpg (http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/100034574/Stryker_1210_Hospital_Stretcher.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 27, 2011, 03:36:04 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: brunob12 on September 27, 2011, 03:38:39 PM
Totally fake. Not even a cellphone could take a pic with so low quality. His hair was curled back then but in the pic is straight.

I'm still trying to understand what is the white stripe around his face.

And check the distance from his upper lip to the nose. Not even the O2 guy was like that. This could be only possible if his mouth was wide open, and by this pic, it's not. Unless, of course, if he was attacked by Samara.

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(http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/m/movies_the_ring-10831.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: scorpionchik on September 27, 2011, 03:47:32 PM
They could not close the mouth?  :?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: bec on September 27, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
@brunob,  afraid/   :shock:   errrr  damn that's some spooky shit.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: onejuly on September 27, 2011, 04:00:00 PM
Erm -- why does it look like the stretcher is in the middle of an empty room? Maybe I'm just clueless, but I thought hospital rooms had medical equipment. Usually it's by the head of the stretcher, IV drip, and heart monitor and things of that nature..?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Andrea on September 27, 2011, 04:03:29 PM
I believe the photo is either fake or Michael posed for it willingly...for this purpose.

It's moments like this that I feel badly for the non-believers.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: blankie on September 27, 2011, 05:21:44 PM
After two years  /scream/ /pull hair/ /overreacting/ Is not MIchael !!!! /pull hair/ /scream/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on September 27, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
Hmmm, why is gurney Michael wearing a hospital gown?  My understanding has always been that ER docs and staff will remove clothing to give them easier access for working on the patient.  So why would they take the time to put a "dead"/barely alive person in a gown?  Despite Michael being a celebrity, wouldn't they be more concerned with trying to save his life, rather than dressing him in hospital attire?  This is one of the reasons why I think this photo is fake.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: TrueBeLIEver1981 on September 27, 2011, 05:53:52 PM
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/09/27/0927-michael-bed-dead-sub.jpg)
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/09/27/0927-michael-bed-dead-sub.jpg)

So what about the first picture that showed him dead? First he had a tan and now he's back to looking paler? Yeah, this photo is fake.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: iLOVEMJBeLIEve on September 27, 2011, 06:04:18 PM
this is not even him. it even looks like he has make up on. and why is his hair look straighten?  WTF?? his legs looks way too short. remember guys, michael has long legs lolol/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: hagitg on September 27, 2011, 06:33:42 PM
the reason for the low quality could be that someone just took a picture of the screen it was showing on in court.
but it still feels like there's something worng with it.
did you notice that you can't see his chin? it's a complete blur.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 27, 2011, 06:35:00 PM
(http://www.media.desicolours.com/2009/june/michael-hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy.jpg)
 
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/09/27/0927-michael-bed-dead-sub.jpg)
 
The arm length, as well as the torso and leg length is inacurate.
We'll find out everything when trial is over. I believe that.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 27, 2011, 06:39:11 PM
I thought they said he went so fast his eyes were still open  OMG!  Closed on this picture.  And what’s wrong with his hand?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 27, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
and his upper arm is thinner than his forearm. mj didnt appear to have arms like that in TII
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 27, 2011, 06:46:46 PM
The paramedics would close his eyes on the scene.
 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 27, 2011, 07:01:39 PM

pasting my comment from another thread, as we have two similar threads abt this photo.



every single photo used for evidence is poor quality. every one of them. this is a close up picture, with lots of lighting. it shouldnt be such poor quality. even a camera on a mobile phone these days, should produce a better quality pic than this. deliberately made to look blurry to hide photoshopping.

also just think about it this way. if it were you (well not maybe a genuine fan) but someone who wanted to take a sneaky photo of mj on a stretcher while he was unconcious or dead, wouldnt you go up a little closer and get a closer pic? why would you stand back deliberately to get the whole stretcher in the pic.

There isnt even any evidence that this pic was taken in a hospital. there is no date on it. anyone could by a decommisioned hospital bed... or perhaps it is from a movie set....

what are those pictures on the wall above the bed in original photo. looks like a hall way. yeah, good place to leave a dead body..... lol (no disrespect intended)

also what is the tape above his mouth and between his nose disguising??? or is it holding in tubing? if not what for? there is no reason for the tape on his face. if he had died and they removed tubing from mouth, or nose or whatever, they wouldnt be able to remove it without removing tape. they wouldnt stick the tape back on....

to me the tape looks like it has been there to cover up the mouth / nose features as much as possible to make this appear to look like mj.


Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Is_it_scary on September 27, 2011, 07:13:36 PM
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He and Murray played hairdressers?
 
 I still believe, I always will. This photo is fake - it could be from the time of that Pepsi commercial ... but not from 2009.
 
 I missed first part so I don't know what did they say about this picture ... Can you please tell me? Who/when/were took that picture? What did the attorney said about it?
 

 To be honest, they didn't mention the details about the picture. It was simply the background of the power point presentation used in the trial. All they said/showed was a picture of MJ performing on June 24, then a pic of MJ on June 25, which was him lying on a stretcher.
 
 These are my thoughts of the picture:
 
 1) The picture looks old, photoshopped, and low-rez. Why, in a professional trial such as this one would they even try to use a picture that looks like it was taken from a first-generation cellphone? Also, now a days, hospitals have beds that are high-tech. They move up and down and everything. The stretcher MJ was on looks like a stretcher from the 80's. This is NOT an UTD stretcher used in hospitals now a days.

 2) Michael's hair was CURLY the night before (June 24) while rehearsing for TII. Yet, not even a whole 24 hours after MJ arrived home, his hair is perfectly straight. Almost like he went to a professional hairdresser to get it straightened.
 
 Therefore, I believe this photo is fake and ridiculous.
Omg yes! to the bolded part...i was like "what type of ghetto ass stretcher do they have him on?"lol and the quality of the pic is horrible.
This photo is very sad but why is the head of the stretcher raised? for his "comfort"? a 'dead' body doesnt' need the head of bead raised, i would think the stretcher would be flat bc they were working on the body.. and the head is lolled toward the camera..how convenient. the sheet should be covering his upper body it looks messy, this is how he was presented to the family?
imo this easily could be set up, no date, no one else in the pic, no hospital sign on the wall

I agree with you both! Also, what about the story from paramedics that he was an old bald man, unrecognizable as Michael? This pic is easily recognized as Michael (or an impersonator) but clearly not a bald old man. I guess us beLIEvers are the only people noticing these things, thank you Michael  bearhug
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: PureLove on September 27, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
It's a GRAPHIC picture.

Michael Jackson’s Deathbed Photo — Has The World Gone Mad?

The prosecution in the Dr. Conrad Murray case showed what appears to be a deathbed photo of Michael Jackson in opening arguments Tuesday.
Media outlets such as ABC News, TMZ and RadarOnline have all shown the graphic picture of Michael in a bed with tape around his mouth.
Of course the photo was shown in open court so it’s fair game, but is it appropriate? Is it the ultimate disrespect?

RumorFix has decided not to publish the photo, if you want to see it, there are many more places for you to find it — just not here.
We talked to legal analyst Lisa Bloom of The Bloom Firm, who says, “We used to have a sense that you don’t speak ill of the dead — that’s gone.”
The attorney, who served as legal analyst for Court TV for eight years, says, “I don’t care for it. I think it’s disrespectful to the dead.”
Bloom says, “Just because something is shown in court doesn’t mean it’s approapriate for the media to publicize it.”

http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/michael-jacksons-deathbed-photo-has-the-world-gone-mad/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: scorpionchik on September 27, 2011, 07:22:58 PM
And what exactly indicates on this picture that Michael is dead? He is sleeping with open mouth and snoring. Who covers dead person with blanket? 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Andrea on September 27, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
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It's a GRAPHIC picture.

Michael Jackson’s Deathbed Photo — Has The World Gone Mad?

The prosecution in the Dr. Conrad Murray case showed what appears to be a deathbed photo of Michael Jackson in opening arguments Tuesday.
Media outlets such as ABC News, TMZ and RadarOnline have all shown the graphic picture of Michael in a bed with tape around his mouth.
Of course the photo was shown in open court so it’s fair game, but is it appropriate? Is it the ultimate disrespect?

RumorFix has decided not to publish the photo, if you want to see it, there are many more places for you to find it — just not here.
We talked to legal analyst Lisa Bloom of The Bloom Firm, who says, “We used to have a sense that you don’t speak ill of the dead — that’s gone.”
The attorney, who served as legal analyst for Court TV for eight years, says, “I don’t care for it. I think it’s disrespectful to the dead.”
Bloom says, “Just because something is shown in court doesn’t mean it’s approapriate for the media to publicize it.”

http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/michael-jacksons-deathbed-photo-has-the-world-gone-mad/ (http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/michael-jacksons-deathbed-photo-has-the-world-gone-mad/)

It would be if Michael was really dead.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 27, 2011, 07:24:31 PM
isnt it interesting how people will accept anything shoved in front of them, as real evidence. we are so used and raised to accepting what we are told without asking, who, what, where, when, why. i hope the jury are asking these questions.


"who" is this in the pic. you say its mj but were is the evidence. where is a hospital wrist band. who took the photo. who can verify that this is really mj.

"what" is that on his face. what are thos pictures on the wall. what room was this taken in, hospital room or morgue.

"where" is this photo taken. where is the proof this photo was taken in a hospital. that wall looks like a wall at my house, your house, the wall at the bank, the wall at an office (lol, you get my point)

"when" was this taken. years ago or 2 years ago. also is this pre or post mortom. if post, where is that evidence of that.

"why" does it looked photoshopped. why does he appear shorter. why does he have different hair than recently described and seen on TII. why is there tape on his nose. and the list of questions goes on and on.


its amazing that 'evidence' can be shown in court without proof that it is legitimate evidence.
 
NO WONDER there are so many people in prison who are innocent when courts accept and release false evidence.

ALWAYS question evidence! in this day and age it is so easy to doctor emails, photos, voice manipulation, etc etc. mj death case wouldnt be the first in history where false evidence is used in court. if its happened before it will happen again. the evidence of DH as it's validity far out weighs a dodgy photo posted on the net which  i am supposed to swallow is mj dead - without having any of the above who what where why when questions answered
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Elsa on September 27, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
The proportions of the body are so abnormal. If anyone was anything like that emaciated they would already be in hospital on a drip - not rehearsing the night before.  Also the condition of the body doesn't match the initial Coroners report when she describes the body at the hospital.   
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MJLive2010 on September 27, 2011, 07:50:25 PM
This is very heavy for the Hoax :( but still there is more to come and I dont think that the Family wood agree that if MJ is really dead that the whole world can see his body keep the Faith .
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: jill on September 27, 2011, 07:52:39 PM
Do you think they could possibly being showing this photo as more "proof" Michael is gone especially since the ambulance photo was proved to be a fake?  Maybe they are giving it another  "shot" so to speak.  I think they realize there are more and more people that don't believe Michael is gone.  Maybe showing another photo of a "deceased" Michael will convince people?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lookingforthetroot on September 27, 2011, 08:01:04 PM
To me he looks more like he did in 2001 not 2009... The photo is strange if he was "dead"
when he got there why would they show him like this...
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 27, 2011, 09:00:26 PM
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To me he looks more like he did in 2001 not 2009... The photo is strange if he was "dead"
when he got there why would they show him like this...

i like your name. oh my god lol
 
as for the picture, since most of the world believes he is dead then yes the picture is unnecessary. Whats the point of it? its a bad picture in the first place and it proves nothing! Ecspecially to use it as a backdrop for the trial.  errrr
Mike is up to this- the family would not allow this picture to be displayed publicly. Only to those who need to see it: the jury!
But it also makes the trial much more dramatic, as does the audio recording which the family had no knowledge of
 confused/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 27, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
I knew it was fake immediately. Because the first thing I noticed was the length of his body... why are his legs ending where his knees should be?  :shock:
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: mij on September 27, 2011, 09:29:23 PM
People will talk about this photo and audio recording today and I quess that's exactly what Michael wants because it's a THRILLER!!  /bravo/ (my opinion)

And afterall people will say: That was PHENOMENAL!! HE'S THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD. I'VE NEVER SEEN NOTHING LIKE THIS!  /toldya/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Mish1981 on September 27, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
True!

After all Kenny did say today on the stand that after This Is It Michael wanted to make a full film for each Thriller and Smooth Criminal. I think he's doing just that! If you think about it, 'This Is It' is done (the documentary/movie) now on to the next project.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Another_Part_of_Me on September 27, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
 :arrow: This picture IS strange from every point I look at it.
If this shot was taken for the trial/autopsy it should have been much more clear.
Then I thought that it looks like someone took it through the little window on the door, then it would explain why its so blurry, BUT if the person is dead then they would cover the whole body with a sheet, so no one who passes by can't see it.
And it looks like some kind of a tube is sticking out of his mouth and that tape is holding it...? What for if he is dead?


The proportion of the body is strange too, I mean its taken under some angle, but I think his legs look way too short.
Plus doctors were saying that he was unrecognizable when they brought him in, here he looks like MJ.
So my verdict: The photo is fake.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: tiida11 on September 27, 2011, 09:54:05 PM
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Totally fake. Not even a cellphone could take a pic with so low quality. His hair was curled back then but in the pic is straight.

I'm still trying to understand what is the white stripe around his face.

And check the distance from his upper lip to the nose. Not even the O2 guy was like that. This could be only possible if his mouth was wide open, and by this pic, it's not. Unless, of course, if he was attacked by Samara.

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(http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/m/movies_the_ring-10831.jpg)


 
Oh, I don't like this ! :-\   Media published this photo saying that it's Michael's body immediately after he died, and that band on his face is a proof that they had tried hardly to resuscitate him. The pic seem to me a demonstrative fake but it makes me so sad ! :'(
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 27, 2011, 10:12:41 PM
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Oh, I don't like this ! :-\   Media published this photo saying that it's Michael's body immediately after he died, and that band on his face is a proof that they had tried hardly to resuscitate him. The pic seem to me a demonstrative fake but it makes me so sad ! :'(

Hun, don't worry, Michael's alive. (:
Don't let this one photo destroy everything that ever made you believe he was alive in the first place. This photo is fake, :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: pepper on September 27, 2011, 10:30:23 PM
(http://imgcdn.nrelate.com/image_cache/allieiswired.com/c6fb1d9a418c6c82d19d682261cd519b_120_120_ok_magazine_us_cover_michael_jackson.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: pepper on September 27, 2011, 10:43:51 PM
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ALWAYS question evidence! in this day and age it is so easy to doctor emails, photos, voice manipulation, etc etc. mj death case wouldnt be the first in history where false evidence is used in court. if its happened before it will happen again. the evidence of DH as it's validity far out weighs a dodgy photo posted on the net which  i am supposed to swallow is mj dead - without having any of the above who what where why when questions answered


I loved how the article at this link posted this same photo, but the caption under it reads

"This image taken from the prosecution courtroom evidence screen purports to show Michael Jackson lying on a hospital gurney in the screen grab from pool video during opening arguments in Dr. Conrad Murray's trial in the death of pop star Michael Jackson in Los Angeles September 27, 2011."

http://arts.nationalpost.com/2011/09/27/prosecutors-show-picture-of-dead-michael-jackson-as-doctors-trial-opens/

pur·port
   [v. per-pawrt, -pohrt, pur-pawrt, -pohrt; n. pur-pawrt, -pohrt]
verb (used with object)
1.
to present, especially deliberately, the appearance of being; profess or claim, often falsely: a document purporting to be official.
2.
to convey to the mind as the meaning or thing intended; express or imply.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purport

Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Liberian Girl Heehee on September 27, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
Thank you everyone for your observations and thoughts.   bearhug

When I first saw the picture at work on the CNN website, I was like  pale/ :cry: :cry: :cry: :'( OMG! /overreacting/  I thought, This Is It (heehee), the end of the hoax, he really is dead.  But, then I got home and immediately came here to see what everyone else had to say.  Then I started looking at the picture closer, even though it is very disconcerting, and based on your comments, I too believe something just ain't right with it.  And when you compare it to the ambulance photo, there is no comparison at all.  So IDK, I am still very worried about all this.  I know I have to be strong, stay with my peeps here, take some deep breathes, and hope we get to the truth before it is all over with.

All I can say is thank God, Michael, and Souza for having a place to come and share during this very emotional time with other hoaxers and Michael's Army of L.O.V.E.  Blessings to all!   :-*
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: starlight30 on September 27, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
Oh and how about the "lawyer" saying he died so fast he didn't have time to close his eyes?????
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: angelwings on September 27, 2011, 11:30:07 PM
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Well.. if this is Michael...  all behind this, which I believe he is - it is very brave of him to share with us such intimate photos...Remember - it's all about the vindication of the MAN. He is also human. Has his ups and downs....
 
Anyway, makes me sad...  :-\
Don't worry....remember back when the paramedics said they had no idea it was him?  That they thought he was a little old man?  Does the photo look like a little old man to you? ;)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: darkchild on September 27, 2011, 11:53:11 PM
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Thank you everyone for your observations and thoughts.   bearhug

When I first saw the picture at work on the CNN website, I was like  pale/ :cry: :cry: :cry: :'( OMG! /overreacting/  I thought, This Is It (heehee), the end of the hoax, he really is dead.  But, then I got home and immediately came here to see what everyone else had to say.  Then I started looking at the picture closer, even though it is very disconcerting, and based on your comments, I too believe something just ain't right with it.  And when you compare it to the ambulance photo, there is no comparison at all.  So IDK, I am still very worried about all this.  I know I have to be strong, stay with my peeps here, take some deep breathes, and hope we get to the truth before it is all over with.

All I can say is thank God, Michael, and Souza for having a place to come and share during this very emotional time with other hoaxers and Michael's Army of L.O.V.E.  Blessings to all!   :-*

 
God bless you, Liberian Girl.  You have expressed every thought in my mind.  I was roc ked to my core when I saw this terrible death photo released in the first day of the court's opening statements.   /scream/ OMG!  It felt like a bomb was dropped on me when I saw that terrible photo.  But, I thought it is amazing that this photo has been not leaked through the press in the last 27 months.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm that makes me wonder.  I do not trust the media at all.  I have full belief in the MJ family.  We will get the truth of this new released death photo. 
As previously mentioned the who, what, where, why, when, how of this photo needs to be answered.  If fake evidence can be manufactured in the 2005 trial against MJ.  It is possible to do it again.
 
Thank you very much for being here for me.  I am still crying as I type this message. I will be here until the Truth of MJ is revealed.  God bless you all for your love. bearhug
 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 28, 2011, 12:35:07 AM
There is so many things wrong with this photo...and the Prosecution didn't even introduce it first off when the used it as their background for powerpoint...pppfffttt...like when I first saw it I was like omg is that MJ's 'death' photo...they showed it first off so quick.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Missyb007 on September 28, 2011, 02:04:38 AM
Doesn;t this picture remind any of you of the "Famous crime scene, michael jackson" episode?
The michael on this picture looks a lot like the fake michael in that episode.
http://twitpic.com/6rqz31 (http://twitpic.com/6rqz31)
 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ladylee1979 on September 28, 2011, 02:13:19 AM
first of all id like to ask if anyone has done a comparison photo this court one and the ambulance one side by side is there any similarities? next this photo makes me very sad and angry have they no respect for his children.my husband works for the hospitals in the uk and straight away he is a non believer btw he said the 1.strecher looks very out dated 2.the head should not be raised in a deceased person 3.should be no pillows when resusitation is/has taken place 4.both or no cot sides should be in place 5.in the ambulance shot he had an airway in his mouth this should be kept in place the whole time work is in progress there is only 2 times an airway would be removed the person is alive and breathing by himself or is deceased and ready for viewing by family in this case when foul play is indicated all medical equipment should be left in place until the body is taken to the mortuary as evidence of medical efforts.6.who on earth took a photo of michael in this way and why?.7.where is all the medical equipment monitors,drips,breathing apps,if you ask me it looks more like the recovery room after surgery hahahaha.or one of the family took the photo as he requested to make this story more believeable before he made his get away.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: eternalflame on September 28, 2011, 02:19:41 AM
 OMG!  I saw the pic this morning as the main title in our worst German tabloid, the "Bild". All this before breakfast.
 
I say it s fake. Lots of reasons why I think that way I already have found in your fantastic posts.
 
Let´s face the medical and ethic side.
My Mum passed away July 1st, that´s the reason why I didn´t visit the forum for a while because I lived on another planet and now I slowly find back to life again.
 
So Michael´s photo brings back very sad memories.
 
On the stretcher Michael still has an IV, as I can see, and a tape around his face to fix the intubation thing which is still in his throat. Eyes closed, mouth open, head turned aside, blanket in a mess.
If this pic is real ( which I absolutely doubt ), it was taken immediately after he was pronounced dead, they must have rolled the stretcher aside for taking the pic, then they prepared the dead body.
 
WHICH NORMAL HUMAN BEING WHO HAS AT LEAST A BIT OF RESPECT DOES THIS???
WHICH BASTARD TOOK THE PIC, IF REAL???
 
This would be inhuman and DISGUSTING as anything!!
 
When my Mum had passed away, all medical things were removed, she was placed into a bed, her mouth was closed, and she was covered with a clean, tidy blanket up to her chest. Then we said goodbye.
 No one would even THINK about making a photo!! Who does this!!!
 
No one of the family, I´m sure. So it must have been someone of the medical staff, who would be in serious problems now, if I was a femily member.
 
So - if we don´t hear anything of the family, we can be sure the pic is fake.
 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MashMike on September 28, 2011, 02:28:05 AM
I feel a little bit down cause of this pic :cry: , it's definitely MJ, it's his eyes, but in the photo he is too short to be Michael and the photo is very blurry, whether this is a photoshop or Michael made this photo in purpose as an "evidence" on the court
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ForstAMoon on September 28, 2011, 02:49:34 AM
hmmm, I might be very naive, but my common sense tells me that if the photo of dead person in the criminal trial (especially the victim) is going to be shown in the court, the judge would need to agree beforehand, in particular as the trial is going to be televised all around the world?

and if so, then in what capacity the photo is to be shown - as an evidence?

and since when, may I ask, the evidence photo is used as the background theme for the power point presentation   afraid/ afraid/ afraid/    ;D


Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ladylee1979 on September 28, 2011, 02:55:59 AM
after another look hubby is adiment this photo looks staged he says the cot sides should be both up if patient is alive or both down if deceased or being worked on and he said the background didnt look like a hospital background (he works for hospitals in the uk)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on September 28, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
Just look at his toes ... I mean such a short legs - it's funny.

And is it normal that the attorney doesn't describes picture, but just shows it? I thought that it is much more complicated.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: mjfansince4 on September 28, 2011, 03:19:18 AM
when i first saw this, it stopped my heart. i'm not going to lie. not in the sense that i thought it was real, because...come on. but the fact to "see" him this way.... i don't like it at all.

but seriously, how do people look at this photo and go "yes...that's so legitimate." really?

the quality is horrific. the proportions are off.
let's say this was taken post "death"... why was he wheeled into a hallway? why is the tube still in? why is this a background for a power point presentation for a manslaughter case with his mother sitting in the same room?
let's entertain for a split second that michael did die, how disrespectful of the prosecution to be so flamboyant with such a delicate picture, especially in front of a mother.

do you smell that?  cover your nose. it's b.s.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: becca26 on September 28, 2011, 03:30:52 AM
Feels like a fake photo to me, with the fake recording, faking breaking the news. /scream/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: iMISSYOUMJ on September 28, 2011, 03:32:48 AM
When was the picture suppose to be taken? The day when he "died" or when he was still alive & was brought to the hospital?  :?


And why isn't there any news of Michael in the hospital at that time? I mean c'mon! He is Michael Jackson & we all know that the paps stalk him 24/7. So why only show the pictures now & not at that timing when he was in the hospital?


Hopefully you guys get what I mean.  :)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 28, 2011, 03:40:05 AM
I did a comparison with the two photos....

I won't comment on the death picture, because there are many levels when someone dies in a hospital.  I have seen it all.!!

I will only say that it is possible, after a person has deceased, to make the patient look more presentable for viewing by the family.  That would include raising the bed, and covering the patient with a blanket or sheet.  And yes, intubation and nasal lines must stay in place for the coroner.  Mouths can sometimes remain open after death, so a pillow or tape are usually used to keep the mouth closed until rigar mortis sets in....

The body in this picture could easily be staged, but it is convincing.

Family are not allowed into the emergency room, so the viewing could have been in a recovery room, due to the celebrity status, and to enable the ER to be vacated, cleaned and available for other emergencies.  Resusitation attempts kept his skin from changing colour, as the blood was flowing through his body for a long time.....Eyes would have been closed by paramedics in the house, as they were looking for dilation of the pupils...
But having said that.............he was bald, and in both pictures, he is wearing a wig !! 

Did the bodyguards think it was important to make him look good for these pictures ???
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ladylee1979 on September 28, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
comparison pics
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Aidan_81 on September 28, 2011, 04:16:17 AM
Hi everybody, I'm new on forum but not new on the hoax subject.
Lurker for ages :)
Yes, still torn between murder and hoax, but trying to stay positive
and here are my thoughts on picture - first, I work as professional
illustrator in the world of computer 2D graphics and trust me,
everything is possible. To fake I mean. Especially if all we need is low-res
blurry picture!
Second, if we stay optimistic and trust this is a hoax - then why not real MJ posing
that way? This is serious work to make hoax..well, work.
If we remove rightful emotions and look carefully, he looks good
here. I'm serious. Looks like himself, recognisable enough and not "cancer-stricken"
or whatever it was - my dad died of cancer at 47, at such age you can tell
if person died of cancer.. such person IS unrecognisable and skinny beyond
belief. The MJ {or whoever it is} doesn't look that bad.
BTW as Photoshop regular I can tell ambulance pic looks like a fake
and I never considered it 2 be the "proof of his death", we should relax about that
ambulance one really. Can be staged, can be Photoshop, it's easy to make.

What I was afraid of - rumour that autopsy photo will be shown. Let's hope
we won't see that errrr . This one is much more acceptable, think about it.
I'm grateful it was the choice, hoax or not. Could be 10 times worse.

Now, who was at UCLA on June 25 taking this pic? Family? Staff?
Is it normal practice?
Later at coroners, yes, they do take pics.
But like that at hospital? I'm not from US, so I don't know what's ok there.
[and sorry for typos]
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Stillbelieve on September 28, 2011, 04:34:27 AM
Fake or not, this picture is disrespectful on all levels.  Even in Michael's supposed death, he is fair game. It's almost as if the media believe they have an entitlement to print this picture without any regard or respect to Michael's privacy as a human being. 

Having said that, the picture was used by the Prosecution with the family present in Court. You would think the family would condemn such a move if the picture was real, given the fact that photo would be in circulation and access to the public for many years to come.  They would also be questioning who took the photo, unless it came directly from them or was authorised by them to be used in the first place. 

The picture could be fake, but I agree with "2good2betrue". I've seen a number of deceased individuals in a hospital setting that vary in presentation.  So it could be real and it defintely could be fake.

Either way, disrespectful the media run with it like dogs on heat.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Aidan_81 on September 28, 2011, 04:47:37 AM
Well, prosecution side knew the pic will be all over tabloids etc.
How much contact does prosecution have with family? Zero?  :|
Picture was shown in a way camera will catch it no doubt.. on purpose?
To "treat" media? To impress jurors? To upset everyone?
I mean at least for everyone within prosecution side it was obvious media
will feast over that photo. ..  confused/

I'm still curious who took such photo [supposedly on June 25 if we go pessimistic].
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: trublu on September 28, 2011, 06:09:43 AM
It's probably staged but I think the angle of the photo is making his legs look shorter than they are. His body fits the entire bed, and those beds are built for people of all sizes. However I don't get why it's so blurry. It is not evidence either way for me.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on September 28, 2011, 09:43:22 AM
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/u3w8g4ihgznlhbf8gpc.jpg)

Who in the world has such short legs? Smurfs? I circled toes.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on September 28, 2011, 09:54:42 AM
+ "fences" of the gurney aren't ok
+ his arm is to low
+ if u measure his parts there's no fi

FAKE - it couldn't be more!
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Aidan_81 on September 28, 2011, 01:03:40 PM
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I'm still curious who took such photo [supposedly on June 25 if we go pessimistic].

replying to myself, d'oh, coroner did as autopsy page 10 says.
Well, still can be fake or staged all the way, it ~has~ to be believable after all!
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: blankie on September 28, 2011, 02:22:57 PM
Agree with you.... /pull hair/ Also the nose is not of  Michael  /scream/ /pull hair/ But they get tired sooner or later? bangbang   crash/ .....






 moonwalk_/             
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: LaLove09 on September 28, 2011, 02:31:36 PM
(Okay finally found the right thread to post in lol) Hello ALL... I'm now sure this is the right thread to mention the new aspect I can add to this all. I haven't been here in a long time. Just wanted to give you my 2 cents. After one opens their 3rd eye shit gets even more disturbing!! I can see auras within any kinda media. And not seeing one around Mike on that stretcher saddens me. No aura= death. HOWEVER there are many overlays in that pic. So eye may be getting a false reading. That pic looks to be altered. Now IDK if Mike went to the extent of making sure there are no auras in "evidence" But um this is NOT GOOD at ALL! And from the looks of Dr Murray's aura. He's no clever "actor" in this... his ass is cloudy, but, cloudy is better than having a muddy aura. Well there's my 2 cents. Sorry if this dampens things. But Mike wanted up to see through the veils and eye can more than EVER. ♥♥♥ CAN ANYONE ELSE SEE AURAS?? If so let's team up and interpret our findings...♥♥♥ BTW I looked at the cleaned up version of the pic in another thread and there's still no aura... There's so much wrong with that pic.  :-\
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Andrea on September 28, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
I don't see auras myself, on anyone.  But if it were a dummy, there would be no aura.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MJonmind on September 28, 2011, 03:18:02 PM
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/u3w8g4ihgznlhbf8gpc.jpg)

Isn't MJ kinda fat here. Look at his belly area. When you're laying down your abdomen is even more sinking into your gut. No hint of emaciated Michael except for his ghost legs :lol: and scrawny wrist.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: LaLove09 on September 28, 2011, 03:29:09 PM
That's NOT true. Even inanimate objects have auras! In fact, I've seen more life/light around inanimate objects than I've seen around "people" these days. So whatever.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: peggy99 on September 28, 2011, 03:50:18 PM
Surely an aura wouldn't be noticable on a photo?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Andrea on September 28, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
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That's NOT true. Even inanimate objects have auras! In fact, I've seen more life/light around inanimate objects than I've seen around "people" these days. So whatever.

Ok well I wouldn't know about that, since I don't see them.  So whatever.

Maybe it's a CGI animation then and not even an actual object. 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: alexman600 on September 28, 2011, 04:08:23 PM
 moonwalk_/

hey guys WHAT IF this is a 1995 pic of mj when he passed out of dehydration while rehearsing the HBO special "one night only"   ???


what do you guys think ??
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: LaLove09 on September 28, 2011, 04:25:14 PM
Eye didn't think they'd would be noticeable in pics either. But they are. Which is why things can be so disturbing these days. Eye was like holy shit I'm seeing them in pics and on tv. With the change of the times n spiritual evolution all things are becoming transparent. We're turning into an amazing species. God I want this to happen for every single one of us! There so much going on so eye have to watch this case with balance, also. Real/hoax. Eye haven't been glued to it. Just wanted to share my thoughts about it. It's all illusion anyway and Mike knew that. And always knew his magic! This case has many layered illusions to it. That it could drive one krazy for real. That pic will be the biggest illusion in this trial FOR SURE. Peace.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: mjssoulmate on September 28, 2011, 04:56:48 PM
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Hmmm, why is gurney Michael wearing a hospital gown?  My understanding has always been that ER docs and staff will remove clothing to give them easier access for working on the patient.  So why would they take the time to put a "dead"/barely alive person in a gown?  Despite Michael being a celebrity, wouldn't they be more concerned with trying to save his life, rather than dressing him in hospital attire?  This is one of the reasons why I think this photo is fake.

that's the first I noticed too.  Michael was admitted wearing nothing but pants, they worked on him, and supposedly he was already dead.  LaToya and the kids went in to see him.  She described him having bruises on his chest from CPR.  My question:  When would there ever be a time the staff woud find it necessary to dress a dead man with a hospital gown, when there are sheets, and the next stop is the morgue?  And where is all the equipment? It also seems to me that his eyebrows are much more prominent than in the ambulance photo.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: PureLove on September 28, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
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(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/u3w8g4ihgznlhbf8gpc.jpg)

Who in the world has such short legs? Smurfs? I circled toes.

:lol:

Exactly. And look at the hand. That is just a graphic picture. I laughed my ass off when I saw the pic.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: TrueBeLIEver1981 on September 28, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
For such a frail and emaciated man he still looks pretty damn healthy for a dead guy. I guess one could only hope they look that good as a corpse.  typing/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Andrea on September 28, 2011, 07:17:03 PM
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(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/u3w8g4ihgznlhbf8gpc.jpg)

Isn't MJ kinda fat here. Look at his belly area. When you're laying down your abdomen is even more sinking into your gut. No hint of emaciated Michael except for his ghost legs :lol: and scrawny wrist.

Do the people who think this photo is real forget how long Michael's legs are?  The "death" photo cuts him off at the knees.

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20100000/MICHAEL-JACKSON-___-michael-jackson-20140987-944-593.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: fordtocarr on September 28, 2011, 07:20:27 PM
I know I said this a couple of times on the chat today, but I'll say it here too and maybe someone can do what I can't. 
I have the Vision dvd.  At the beginning on the menu, Michael tap dances, spins I think and yells and ends in a QUICK pose with his head back.  I got this for xmas last year and always thought it a strange looking pose, as though his hair was cropped out.  Just strange.  Well, today I was putting on Earth Song as I've been playing it ever since they showed it in court yesterday.  When I saw that image of Michael in that end pose I saw the same face in the death gurney pic!!!!!!
Now, I can't pause that frame on the dvd and haven't seen that pic ever before and looked online.  I'm wondering if anyone else can so we can compare.  It would just be another affirmation of the hoax to me.  (oh..and I think that "aura" is the feet that are blurry from focus too far away )
/bravo/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: paula-c on September 28, 2011, 07:26:23 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QWC7jfSX8L0/ToM7dd7wq3I/AAAAAAAACDY/ZDFNWKNejeM/s1600/comparaci%25C3%25B3n.jpg) suspicious//
 
 
 
Where to be the sick hospice that nobody recognize, in any photo appears /judge/ :lol:
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 28, 2011, 08:16:43 PM
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(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/u3w8g4ihgznlhbf8gpc.jpg)

Isn't MJ kinda fat here. Look at his belly area. When you're laying down your abdomen is even more sinking into your gut. No hint of emaciated Michael except for his ghost legs :lol: and scrawny wrist.

Do the people who think this photo is real forget how long Michael's legs are?  The "death" photo cuts him off at the knees.

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20100000/MICHAEL-JACKSON-___-michael-jackson-20140987-944-593.jpg)

Thx for posting these pictures.
Since a kid, I have been mesmerized by Michael's dancing and I would dream of having his Loooong legs.
When i saw the gurney picture, I shook my head and laughed.
As the trial goes on, non-believers will become more confused.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: willddoMJ on September 28, 2011, 08:38:55 PM
what if legs actually dangle of the end? the angel of the picture can create an illusion of the actual size of the person(referring this pic is FAKE)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on September 28, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
I have been googling gurneys and the average length i can find is 82 inches which is 6.8 FEET
Michael was about 5'9 or 5'10 so how come he is the full length of this bed/gurney as well!!!!!????
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 28, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Hi all, I didn't realize this thread was posted so I put my comments about the gurney under another thread. But this is what I said:

I missed the opening statements on yesterday so I'm just seeing the picture of Michael on the gurney. Where did they have that picture when they took it?  Notice that there is nothing else in the picture.  No other furniture, hospital equipment, no trash on the floor such as pieces of syringes, paper wrappings, gauze, cotton balls, tape, rubber gloves, tubing, you can't even see the tile on the floor!  It looks like one of those pictures especially made for the front cover of a tabloid magazine, except this one was especially made for the courtroom part of the haox! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/Smileys/popos/icon_e_wink.gif)

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ladylee1979 on September 29, 2011, 02:27:54 AM
as stated earlier this looks more like the recovery room after surgery it was said michael was havin small bouts of plastic surgery done before his passing so to me this pic looks like hes just sleeping of some minor surgery in recovery and i wouldnt be suprised if michael himself wanted the pic taking as he was fasinated with all medical aspects and the way he looked and maybe he wanted a pic for his personal use
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ladylee1979 on September 29, 2011, 02:35:53 AM
i was wondering if the pic of michael in court was in a recovery room wot if it could be a pic of dr arnold kleins surgery? i found this pic and if you look in the background u can just see the same canvas painiting frame on the wall of his surgery just like the three in mikes bed pic
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: becca26 on September 29, 2011, 06:59:14 AM
Oh my did you see this? I feel like these photos look more real than the on of MJ, and CM is in them.
http://www.break.com/pictures/heidi-and-spencer-2164213 (http://www.break.com/pictures/heidi-and-spencer-2164213)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 29, 2011, 08:13:19 AM
This could be the double used for the staged picture
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: taty_2crazy on September 29, 2011, 08:24:08 AM
I have no doubts that this picture is FAKE! /scream/ /overreacting/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 29, 2011, 09:11:39 AM
KEEP WATCHING...check the similarities of the re-enactment...this could be the photo used. penguin/ penguin/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRevxc_pO9Y&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Mish1981 on September 29, 2011, 09:21:02 AM
Very well could be, the photo that we are being shown isn't clear at all so there's really no telling who's laying on that gurney. Just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: LUNA on September 29, 2011, 09:28:43 AM
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This could be the double used for the staged picture
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This could be the double used for the staged picture

who is this man?? and why could he be the double??


LUNA
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: foreverking2 on September 29, 2011, 03:39:46 PM
I don't have time to read the entire thread, but I wanted to make a comment regarding the so called "death" photo.

Everything presented in opening statements is not considered evidence, therefore the photo used can be manipulated and enhanced or even slightly changed. Any photo presented as evidence during the trial must be authenticated. This means the D.A has to present the history of that photo, who took it , when and where. The photo used in a powerpoint presentation is not evidence, therefore the photo of MJ we saw on day one of the trial could have been changed to look more like the MJ the jury is familar with.

Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 29, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
There was footage of Alverez at UCLA, then there was this room (he was told to guard to not let anyone in) it looks like the room that the MJ death photo was taken in....the gurney was still in that room but no MJ, so this was after MJ was in there (according to Alverez)...the footage also had a time posted on the video (3:56pm) so if MJ was really at UCLA he was gone by this time.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: fatalkiss26 on September 29, 2011, 08:26:04 PM
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/mjdeathbedzoom.jpg">

I clearly circled the 2 inconsistencies that i found...


1. His "wrist" appears to be smaller then his arm width, looks really fake to me, like it's a doll that was "put together" like a mannequin

2. The shifting of colors around his head, looks like that part of the photograph was photoshopped onto the rest...the bed rail looks discolored and his chin apparently has darkened.

I now know why they have only been releasing black and white photos until TMZ cleaned up this one, because clearly something is wrong in this photo.


You can save this photo on the net, open it up in another program and take it to 200x zoom and you will see what I'm seeing
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 29, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
That picture looks like a still from a movie. I am going to check my collection because I have the feeling I might have seen something like that before. I agree that it's the WORST photoshop ever.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 29, 2011, 09:00:24 PM
First, I wasn't understanding how nonbelievers still think this isn't a hoax after seeing that picture, but what i REALLY dont understand is how believers are giving up over it. Whhaaaattt? suspicious//



Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Snoopy71 on September 29, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
If an ambulance photo can be faked...so can this one. suspicious//
 
I understand the prosecutions need for an emotional "punch" to the gut right from the start...but to be honest, this picture could be one of Michael in a recovery room before he woke up and taken at anytime in his life. The catheter bag is still in place and the breathing tube....this looks more like a "post surgery" picture.  It is not considered "legal" evidence, nor marked as such and who took the photo is not mentioned. So this clearly looks staged.
 
Coroner photos would have been more accurate and effective (if the prosecution were shooting for "realism")....still "reasonable doubt" comes to mind....a theme I'm sure will be played over and over in this trial.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: bec on September 29, 2011, 10:07:06 PM
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<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/mjdeathbedzoom.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/mjdeathbedzoom.jpg)">

I clearly circled the 2 inconsistencies that i found...


1. His "wrist" appears to be smaller then his arm width, looks really fake to me, like it's a doll that was "put together" like a mannequin

2. The shifting of colors around his head, looks like that part of the photograph was photoshopped onto the rest...the bed rail looks discolored and his chin apparently has darkened.

I now know why they have only been releasing black and white photos until TMZ cleaned up this one, because clearly something is wrong in this photo.


You can save this photo on the net, open it up in another program and take it to 200x zoom and you will see what I'm seeing


First of all, a warm welcome to you.


And yes, I saw it too. The lower face doesn't match the upper. The line of the tape separate the two with what appears to be a clear cut n paste line.


I'm not so sure it's shopped as much as staged. If you're going to go through all the trouble to stage the ambulance pic, then why stop there.


The "shop" lines might have been added to cast doubt or induce it. My gut says MJ hopped up there for the shot. A dash of Hollywood magic and a sprinkle of psudo-shopping and viola! perfectly raw, gitty, gasp-worthy death shot that would leave everyone (believers, hoaxers, general public, and media) guessing...


The point isn't to hand us proof. The point is to entertain us, all of us, just some of us get our own special brand. Non-believers get to share in the gen pub/media brand of hoax (he's dead! and it's juicy...) while hoaxers get the perpetual proof-tease. The family slips up (doh!  bounce/ )/the family says he's murdered (aww  errrr ), etc. repeat for each set of characters ad infinitum or until BAM, whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on September 30, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
The video they played yesterday when Alvarez was testifying showed a place in the hospital - there's a room that looks just like the one in the photo. He was supposed to protect that room so I really don't know who could even take that kind of a picture of anyone.

Video is here: http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/29/people-vs-dr-conrad-murray-aeg-michael-jackson-manslaughter-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez/#continued
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 30, 2011, 12:57:21 AM
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(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/u3w8g4ihgznlhbf8gpc.jpg)

Isn't MJ kinda fat here. Look at his belly area. When you're laying down your abdomen is even more sinking into your gut. No hint of emaciated Michael except for his ghost legs :lol: and scrawny wrist.

Do the people who think this photo is real forget how long Michael's legs are?  The "death" photo cuts him off at the knees.

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20100000/MICHAEL-JACKSON-___-michael-jackson-20140987-944-593.jpg)

Thx for posting these pictures.
Since a kid, I have been mesmerized by Michael's dancing and I would dream of having his Loooong legs.
When i saw the gurney picture, I shook my head and laughed.
As the trial goes on, non-believers will become more confused.


yummy. thanks for posting.... all this hoax talk, and heavy reading and investigating... sometimes its nice to take a break and look at the basic simple beautiful things that get lost amongst the investigation. gorgeous legs. i'd love to be climbing them! xx
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: bec on September 30, 2011, 01:12:49 AM
Let's leave the leg climbing to the overactive chihuahuas. Respect for Mr. Jackson, please, AustrailianBeliever.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: msgitm on September 30, 2011, 01:45:02 AM
Here's something to chew on!  The video posted below clearly used a mannequin for some of the costume fittings, if not all.  This same sickly image could very well be the same image seen in the now infamous "death" photo.  In which case it should be entered into evidence as exhibit 1 "The King of Prop" death photo! Check out the hands and the way the fingers are bent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxarTRjqH4&feature=related

Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 30, 2011, 01:58:22 AM
@bec, sorry forgot abt the minors. its just that the man has one sexy stride!

will ensure my posts are 'G' rated in future... sorry for offending ;)

cheers x
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: hope on September 30, 2011, 03:43:17 AM
Hi everyone  bearhug  Its been a long time, but this new site scares the beegeebees  OMG!  out of me. I get lost and confused on where to go  :oops: .
Anyway, just wanted to add a couple thing that are bugging me if I may. I still believe that Michael is alive. However, that "deathbed pic" knocked me out of my socks when I saw it and I litterally fell to the floor. I agree with most of what is being said about the pic, but there are a few things I dont. Just for the record, any tubing,tape,IV, or any resussitation devices that are connected to a dead body can only be removed by the coroner. Therefore, any outside tubing is disconnected and anything in the body has to stay. Thats why the tube in the mouth would be there. Also his hair...In TII he had curls, but his hair was long and so were the curls. So in a grainy photo, if his hair is pulled back under his neck, you are not going to see the curls. I believe his wigs were straight, but HIS hair was the beautiful curls, which is how he probably slept.
And last is the hospital gown. I agree that what we heard was he was unclothed when he was brought in, but I would like to think that the hospital would have the decentcy to put a gown on him before his children and family seen him. So that is why I believe he had a gown on.
Ive always been 50/50, however the testimonies today have tipped me more on the 80/20. But with this mess, we can never let our guard down or we'll get hit with something. I hope I didnt offend anyone, just wanted to shed some light in case theres that 1% chance we're wrong.
 /judge/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: fatalkiss26 on September 30, 2011, 09:07:26 PM
um..yea why is his belly sticking out?  WTF??
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Coco on September 30, 2011, 11:06:57 PM
I think the image looks like this on purpose.
As in, we're meant to be having doubts and questioning its legitimacey...
But, why? What is the reason for it?

(Also, if the photo is found to be fake will there be trouble.
And couldn't Michael just have posed for the photo appearing to be dead.
Why does there have to be questionable editing? Hm.)

Probably not explaining myself too well, here. :?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: msgitm on October 01, 2011, 12:10:52 AM
There is NO WAY in hell the D.A. would put up this picture PLUS play that horrible audio of MJ and NOT tell his family in advance. His mother is in her 80’s, she could have gone into cardiac arrest from the shock of it all.  Unless they didn't worry due to having a cardiologist in the room?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: msgitm on October 01, 2011, 12:27:12 AM
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The video they played yesterday when Alvarez was testifying showed a place in the hospital - there's a room that looks just like the one in the photo. He was supposed to protect that room so I really don't know who could even take that kind of a picture of anyone.

Video is here: http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/29/people-vs-dr-conrad-murray-aeg-michael-jackson-manslaughter-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez/#continued (http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/29/people-vs-dr-conrad-murray-aeg-michael-jackson-manslaughter-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez/#continued)
This looks like a viewing room. Chairs set up, possible social worker in stilettos, etc. They could have put the sheet over his head, which is why the bed appears empty, but I see what looks like dark hair in the upper left corner. Remember, this was all probably taped on some other day, as he had a early flight to catch!  And keep in mind, UCLA does rent out to movie companies, as do the fire department, etc. Maybe this is actually a sound stage?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: 50th_State_Believer2 on October 01, 2011, 12:33:17 AM
Does anyone know how many feet the gurneys are? (size in length). I would like to compare the length of it from end to end with the obviously fake photo of MJ laying there...to see how wrong the length of dimensions of his different body areas would come out to be compared to the length of the gurney - (length of torso, thighs, legs from knee downward..)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: darkchild on October 01, 2011, 12:36:02 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMP5ecmvBXU&feature=share[/youtube]
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 01, 2011, 01:21:57 AM
 Unless they didn't worry due to having a cardiologist in the room?


OMG I just peed my pants.... /bravo/ OMG!
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MJonmind on October 01, 2011, 01:23:46 AM
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJbodyroom.jpg)
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg612/scaled.php?tn=0&server=612&filename=edxvos.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
(http://download.agefotostock.com/fotos/bajaage/cached/513836/BIM-ER658.jpg)
Maybe this comparison will help. Also is it possible that "MJ's" feet and the end of the gurney are beyond the edge of the picture?
All these security and police etc. would have to be in on it because they would know if this was a dummy. suspicious//
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: angelwings on October 01, 2011, 02:48:36 AM
Two reasons I KNOW this photo is fake.  1)...."They" say Michael was dead when he left his house, though in the ambulance we saw a photo that he was flat on the gurney and they were performing CPR.  So why???....would they tilt the gurney up for the comfort of a dead person after an unsuccessful CRR?  2).  "They" said two years ago while attempting to do CPR, Michael's nose got crushed in.  It does not look crushed in to me.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Adi on October 01, 2011, 03:29:02 AM
Everything about this picture is whacked....and the media whores are loving it.
 
It just fits in so deliciously well with their bloodlust mentality and no-one in the media has questioned it's authenticity....same with the recording of MJ. They all take it as factual.
 
Michael is giving them what they want and they are eating it up like the vultures they are.
 
Maybe MJ did pose for it  (which would have been hilarious to watch) and then maybe they have cut and pasted bits here and there, shrunk his legs with Photoshop  :lol: ...IDK...but whatever they have done to get this picture it's so obviously staged.
 
I think it's hilarious  lolol/
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on October 01, 2011, 11:17:36 AM
@ Adi:
 
I absolutely adore your post! You're right! Michael is giving them (DDimond, Nancy Grace, Tom Sneddon etc) exactly what they always wanted!
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Liberian Girl Heehee on October 01, 2011, 10:25:43 PM
Okay, I have two other questions about the picture...

1)  Do they normally put a hospital gown on a patient who arrives at the hospital dead?  According to everything we have heard/read so far, Michael had pj's on and his top was open.  So, did they put the hospital gown on to make the picture look more official?

2)  What happened to Michael's cleft on his chin?  It looked pretty prominent in the pictures of him rehersing.  I know the picture is grainy but still, I think we would see that cleft if it was there.

Inquirying minds want to know! WTF??  smiley_spider
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on October 05, 2011, 01:57:09 AM
Interesting questions.

1)
IMO, they definitely don't put them in the gown - as far as I know they would at least cover him with blanket - over the head. BUT, there was a woman on chat the other day and she wrote that she worked there for ten years and that they have a sarcophague there and they put the body in it. So ... And another one - I really don't think that they put "hospital bracelet" on dead man's wrist - they put some kind of a label and they hang it on his/hers toe.

2)
Guess they used to much blur in photoshop. ;)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: titania on October 05, 2011, 05:15:41 AM
I guess this photo is the real Cardiff Giant in the CM case.

The controversy is rife- fake or not fake? Just like in good old PT Barnum times....

Check out the original Giant at 0.50.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhnvzeFF-uo&feature=feedu

And I found this video very enlightening. The research done on the gurneys used at the hospital is really sterling work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=player_embedded


And of course RENAISSANCE is a huge clue. As you all probably know it means "rebirth"..... lolol/

I think Thriller 2 is gonna be even greater than the original Thriller! And it ain't finished yet!

Titania
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: MJs Tinkerbell on October 05, 2011, 07:46:06 AM
Has anyone checked to see if the stretcher belonged to the ambulance?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Mish1981 on October 05, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
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Has anyone checked to see if the stretcher belonged to the ambulance?

I could be wrong and someone correct me if I am, but from what I have noticed is that the stretchers are different from hospitals and ambulances. At least that is what I have noticed. Perhaps that's just where I live but I have been to the hospital a few times and have seen paramedics come in with their stretchers and they differ. Also I am a member of a fire department and I know that the rescue squad members use different stretchers then the hospital. I also think that the ambulance leaves with the stretcher that they come with. I will double check with a friend of mine who is a rescue squad member.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: November on October 05, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
Does anyone remember when he "died" and we were told that the casket had to be closed because he had bruises or marks on his face because of resussation attemps?
Plus, I don't believe that you bruise after you have passed away.  His face looks nice.
 
It looks like the tape is over part of his top lip making it look like there is more room from his lip to the nose.  But remember, Michael had his nose reconstructed and had the tip of his nose made higher giving the illusion that there is more space between his top lip and the nose.   
 
And is that his left foot/toes sticking out at the bottom of the gurney?
 
Things are not quite right with this picture even at the angle it was taken, plus why is it so poorly done.  You would think the coroner's office would have up-to-date cameras.  Not to sure about the gurney, maybe they used old ones in the morgue.
 
Could the reason this photo has been blurred be because the Jackson family requested it to be grainy?
 
November
 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: AThousandTimes on October 05, 2011, 12:28:06 PM
Reasons why I believe this photo is fake.

1) He has something on his nose... a band aid? Why would they put that on a dead man's nose?

2) His face is not bruised or damaged as was said by his own mother.

3) The stretcher... I don't know who did the research but he/she deserves a golden star. He is laying on a stretcher that was probably not even used at UCLA in 2009 anymore.

This photo looks real to me but it looks old... and Michael doesn't look dead to me either. IMO this is a photo taken in the 90's or early 2000.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 12:44:43 AM
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/reveron/CM3.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: iLOVEMJBeLIEve on October 06, 2011, 12:45:22 AM
can someone please post a picture of when they showed the room where they were trying to "revive" michael for 1hr and 13 mins? i remember when the prosecutors showed a picture of the room and equipment used to revive michael. i swear the stretcher looked very different.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 12:57:11 AM
DO YOU GET A GLOVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD?

What are those two things on his hand?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/iv588txcwydbcpoybuef.jpg)

This sure looks like a glove to me:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/sanpat7fsn123zh7hlsr.jpg)


WHAT do you think?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: SEHF on October 06, 2011, 01:27:46 AM
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DO YOU GET A GLOVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD?

What are those two things on his hand?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/iv588txcwydbcpoybuef.jpg)

This sure looks like a glove to me:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/sanpat7fsn123zh7hlsr.jpg)


WHAT do you think?


That's part of the IV
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 01:47:39 AM
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DO YOU GET A GLOVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD?

What are those two things on his hand?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/iv588txcwydbcpoybuef.jpg)

This sure looks like a glove to me:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/sanpat7fsn123zh7hlsr.jpg)


WHAT do you think?


That's part of the IV

You mean B? Would they leave a part of the IV on a dead man?

But what's with the glove?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: msgitm on October 06, 2011, 02:02:06 AM
A patient is not kept on the same stretcher they arrived in on the ambulance. I know this one first hand. The glove I don't see, just one very skinny wrist. 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
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DO YOU GET A GLOVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD?

What are those two things on his hand?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/iv588txcwydbcpoybuef.jpg)

This sure looks like a glove to me:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/sanpat7fsn123zh7hlsr.jpg)


WHAT do you think?


That's part of the IV

You mean B? Would they leave a part of the IV on a dead man?

But what's with the glove?

See those giant lighter colored bars through the entire picture? One of which happens to go right through the hand in question.. mixed with lighter skin = imaginary glove.

As for why there is an IV tube present and taped to his arm?  Don't ask me, I'm just pointing out the obvious.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: applehead250609 on October 06, 2011, 12:19:36 PM
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DO YOU GET A GLOVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD?

What are those two things on his hand?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/iv588txcwydbcpoybuef.jpg)

This sure looks like a glove to me:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/sanpat7fsn123zh7hlsr.jpg)


WHAT do you think?


That's part of the IV

You mean B? Would they leave a part of the IV on a dead man?

But what's with the glove?

But what's with the glove?  afraid/  :lol: ;)
OMG do you know that the same question was asked by Brooke Shields at MEMORIAL ??????? "What up with the glove Michael?" :lol:


Michael Jackson's Close Friend - Brooke Shields - Michael Jackson Memorial
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pry9uo329HM&feature=related
[/youtube]
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 06, 2011, 12:32:45 PM
That picture if photoshopped, look at his face, once you die, your face becomes like a blue color. Does his face look that color? Nope. When a person passes as of respect they put a sheet on his face. If they want to take a picture, they take only the face, not half of his body.. This I got informed by the morgue of a hospital.. Don't forget I have a doctor friend. So do not dwell on this anymore it is not worth it, it is photoshopped. Another clue, we heard that Michael was bald had peach fuzz hair, now how does this explain he had his hair nicely done all pushed back? Did he go to his hair stylist because he knew he would have his pic taken?
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: November on October 06, 2011, 12:37:40 PM
As for number B, that looks like the red string that he always wore on his left wrist.  On number A, it looks like some sort of tube around his writst, or could it be a bracelet?  He did wear jewerly...
 
November
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 01:06:57 PM
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As for number B, that looks like the red string that he always wore on his left wrist. 


No, I mean that black thing.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: PureLove on October 06, 2011, 02:32:42 PM
I don't see any glove on his hand. There's the hospital bracelet on his wrist and some part of the IV.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: November on October 06, 2011, 03:02:21 PM
On my screen I see a red string just below the blue band... is that what you are talking about? I know that he always wore a red string around his wrist. Could that be what it is?
 
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Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: mjfansince4 on October 06, 2011, 03:24:03 PM
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That picture if photoshopped, look at his face, once you die, your face becomes like a blue color. Does his face look that color? Nope. When a person passes as of respect they put a sheet on his face. If they want to take a picture, they take only the face, not half of his body.. This I got informed by the morgue of a hospital.. Don't forget I have a doctor friend. So do not dwell on this anymore it is not worth it, it is photoshopped. Another clue, we heard that Michael was bald had peach fuzz hair, now how does this explain he had his hair nicely done all pushed back? Did he go to his hair stylist because he knew he would have his pic taken?

i agree completely. my grandma died in a hospital. we were removed from the room so they could remove her respirator and IVs. when i went back in the hospital room to say my final goodbye, she was pale, gray (she had been dead maybe 15-20 minutes at that point)- no amount of lighting can change that color. also, they had the sheet pulled up on her, only exposing the top of her shoulders, neck and face. i doubt out of respect for the family and friends who were at the hospital (i'm saying if michael had died) that they would just leave him open like he had just crawled into bed and passed away.

if they can distort bodies and faces for advertising purposes, they can do it for this too.
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: ignisaeternus on October 07, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
There are some things mentioned, I could get over: It is POSSIBLE they put a gown on so the family viewing him would not be disturbed. It is likely he would have brought into a recovery room for family viewing. The tubing and tape on the face (from being intubated) would have to stay in place - only the coroner can remove those by US law. So that would be correct.
It is possibly his face was not grey due to ongoing resuscitation processes...

What I can't get over, and what makes me think this is fake: It definitely looks like Michael- so, how does the "patient looked like a hospice patient" (thing, emaciated etc) fit in?
Michael was thin, sure, but his wrist was NOT this tiny. Not in the shots from TII from the night before. NO WAY.
The legs looks way too short. I know that could possibly be a perspective problem, but I don't think so.

It is possible parts of this were MJ- I can see how he would pose for it... But it seems like a doll put together from different pieces. Which reminds me how Michael in TII was supposed to be revealed piece by piece by piece...
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: PureLove on October 07, 2011, 10:05:17 PM
I found and posted this picture on a different thread but I wanted to post it here too. I don't know who made this but there're very interesting things on it. The fingers, hand and the wrist screams out that this is a photoshopped picture.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2gt10k6.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: Adi on October 08, 2011, 02:59:43 AM
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I found and posted this picture on a different thread but I wanted to post it here too. I don't know who made this but there're very interesting things on it. The fingers, hand and the wrist screams out that this is a photoshopped picture.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2gt10k6.jpg)

Something about this closeup looks to me like Michael placed his own arm inside that of a prosthetic arm used for amputees. Then they added other "bits" to it to lengthen and basically to make look very abnormal!!!!  :lol: 
 
As for his lovely long fingers...they are now little sausages....it could very well be one of those surgical gloves...or even a washing up glove???
 
Whatever they did to get this picture the more I look at it the more funny I think it is.
 
 
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: mjssoulmate on October 08, 2011, 05:14:34 PM
I totally agree that it doesn't make sense to put a hospital gown on a dead man.  There are sheets and a blanket on the gurney they could have covered him with. And why are the blankets all bunched up.  Fleak testified that that is the intitial photo she took when she entered the room (@ ca. 17:20 hours) So it was taken before she started her examination of the body, looking for any exterior sign of trauma (which I always thought would be done on the coroner's slab). Anyway, no reason for the blankets to be so low and bunched up.  If we are to believe that the gown was put on for viewing purposes, then why not take the extra care of covering him neatly with the blanket. I don't think a family member would have left his side in such a mess. I also noticed the length of his legs does not make sense.  The fingertips would normally hit mid-thigh; the legs are the same length as the arms, so if you look at were his fingertips are, the gurney just wouldn't be long enough for his height.  I know that angles and lighting can play some role in the appearance, but it almost looks as if only a bust of Michael was used.   
Thoughts?
Does anyone remember LaToya saying that when she and the kids went in to see him, they tried to put Paris' half of the heart necklace around his neck, but couldn't. So she wrapped it around his wrist?  Where is it?   
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: RickyDesilva on November 27, 2011, 07:19:37 AM
Hi Guys I have a question?????

I see they have raised the head of the bed to give the dead body of MJ some comfort lol......Ok can someone tell me why his body is straight and does not have any sign of bending the way the bed head would make you bend if you were lying on it this way????? his body should be bent slightly to fit with the contour of the raised headboard but nothing????????????
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on November 27, 2011, 03:04:52 PM
Whoa! Good observation Ricky!

Well, at least they wanted to give a little comfort to the "body" of the KING. ;)
Title: Re: Photo Used In Trial - MJ At The Hospital
Post by: maninthemoon on December 02, 2011, 04:51:05 PM
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