Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!
Hello TS!
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!
It also feels good to know an end date, now I feel I can enjoy this hoax even more...cause that's what I kinda struggled with, thinking it will be NEVER ENDING.
Hello TS!
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!
To tell you the truth, from the day TII was realized I knew MJ would be back after the famous 4 years would have been passed. He said it himself. He warned the fans it would be a long waiting process.
But I thought it would be 2013 confused/
Ok I been thinking about this thing.
Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.
When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.
So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.
I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.
As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.
In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.
It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.
Ok I been thinking about this thing.
Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.
When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.
So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.
I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.
As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.
In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.
It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.
However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
Quickly and briefly,
if we are to accept 2005-2009 being 4 years (which I do), then 2009-2012 is only 3 years. 2009-1/1/2013 would be 3.5 years.
I find it interesting that TS didn't mention the upcoming trial atall in this post errrr
There are still things that have no answer, and I quote TS from September 2009.
Others say that if he comes back, it won’t be for years. But that would hardly qualify as "soon and very soon". Furthermore, if he did not go into permanent hiding, then he has a reason for coming back; and that would be publicity and/or to show that you can’t trust the media. So when would be a good time to do this? After a few years, when the media and the public aren’t thinking much about MJ anymore?? No, the best time to do this is NOW—while the news is still hot!
How did it change gradually from "So when would be a good time to do this? After a few years, when the media and the public aren’t thinking much about MJ anymore?? No, the best time to do this is NOW" (September 2009) to "January 1st 2013" as the deadline? Counting also a lot of other dates that never happened. This is what has no answer and I can't understand. If this all was planned, then why so many wrong dates?
No, TS didn't even say 2012, he said between now and December 31, 2012. Could mean tomorrow, could mean a year from now.
"Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"
And one more time, because I know you like it lolol/ :
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Souza can you stop posting this please, it's terribly ugly and scares me every time errrr afraid/ lolol/
Souza can you stop posting this please, it's terribly ugly and scares me every time errrr afraid/ lolol/
You think I'm ugly? :-\ :P
Year 2070... Michael Jackson fans still waiting for their idol to come back...
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Likewise, TS was not the first to bring up the Illuminati and secret societies aspect of the MJ hoax, but TS did bring this to the forefront in 2009 (www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com); and just like the Elvis aspect, many have opposed TS because of the Illuminati aspect. Nearly two years later, though, Jackson family members are starting to speak publicly about this as well. As I have already documented in the July 7 thread, La Toya’s book goes into this aspect a little {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html}. Furthermore, La Toya has just recently verified the Twitter for Paris {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776}; and Paris herself tweeted in June about the “secret society” aspect, encouraging us to “take time to seek” info about this for ourselves {http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312; http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344}.TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)
Those who post regularly on this forum already know most or all of what I’ve said here; but I am including it because there are those not on this forum who still watch the TIAI redirects, and even copy what I post to other forums, etc. And it’s time for these important aspects of the hoax to be understood by all on this forum, other hoax forums, and YouTube, etc.
Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may use:
simple denial - deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation - admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection - admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility.
Year 2070... Michael Jackson fans still waiting for their idol to come back...:lol: :lol:
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Seriously, I don't think TS is hoaxing us. Has he played with us a little? Yes, of course he has. And it has been fun. The false theories he has supported were obvious: The ambulance picture being real, the murder theory and some other things he couldn't defend anyways. All the other stuff is true, whether it fits your romantic image of MJ the performer or not. The past two years TS has been guiding us, helping us, amusing us, and informing us. I think many of us are still here because of TS, even though many also left with a lot of drama because of TS. I don't think I would still have been here if TS would have left or never signed up in the first place. Knowing that he is still with us comforts me and motivates me to keep going. Not that I would have thought MJ would have been dead if it weren't for TS, but I wouldn't have been able to take all the shit without his continuous support. If you look at the shit he had to take sometimes, even on here while I did my best to defend him, and the fact that he is still here, says something about his charachter and the importance of all this for him. Never before has he said anything about a definite BAM, this is the first time. Maybe you should take this as a gift, and let it comfort you. You must know by now that TS doesn't fuck with us, so you also know that in max. 16 months the truth will be out. I believe him, I have always believed in him (except for some of his debunk-theories ;) ) and I feel comforted by this post. And if you don't believe him, there is no use in asking him questions because you wouldn't believe the answers anyway. But in my opinion he deserves some credit after almost 2 years. And an Elvis bam? If so it will be a small one, but I think it will be comforting enough for the fans who really aged many decades. But I did not see any confirmation about that in TS' post.
So thanks TS, for hanging in there. bearhug
"Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"
And one more time, because I know you like it lolol/ :
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/Old_Demon/Funnies/UglyWoman.gif)
VeryLittleSusieAt this point I don't mind TS dangling a carrot in front of our eyes. I just want to keep seeing the carrot! :D And there are "patterns" everywhere!
Another TIAI another delay...
Guess I got used to it...
What is the purpose of this TIAI? Is there anything for us to investigate? Any leaf pattern?
Souza
I think bamsday was planned like everything else. TS probably had other reasons to point out those dates as possibilities. Elvis back in the hoax, you sure know how to empty a forum TS!
And come and chit-chat away whenever you want, I think it's nice. I also think it's nice you gave the absolute deadline, it's comforting although still a long ass time to wait, if it will last that long anyway.
sandythyme
All I can say is I believe in God, Michael Jackson, myself (Michael taught me this) and to add to my list TS. Thanks TS I have always believed in you. You made my day! I have found that our world has become very impatient, this hoax has taught us about life, listening, looking and believeing. Many have left because they didn't believe and were....impatient. Also, from the beginning if you informed us of a "BAM" timing, this whole site probably would not have happened. People would think oh yeah, he'll be back and that's it. But you made us work hard and find answers and drive our families and friends crazy because Michael is in our heads 24/7 and basically it's pass the salt and oh yeah Michael. I am not even going to think what if there is no bam, because it's all there, the evidence is there. It couldn't be more in plain site. We continue on. Thanks TS, it's a good day. Take care, Love to All and especially to you TS
bleu eyesTwice he used the word "forefront". Coincidence. TS and Front posted on the same day too. It's nothing but another coincidence. ???/
You could feel that there were and are a lot of things that has to develop before Michael can come back, you can feel the progress, it's getting more obvious by the day the picture is getting clearer and clearer for me, i'm not a great poster but i bin here reading , because most of the time i dont know how to express myself in english.
I have one question for you TS i have noticed before that in the beginning of your redirect you are talking about "TS" instead of saying "me" or "i" , later on you say me or i , it's just like you havent write your entire post yourself?Is there another person who writes aswell in the same redirect.
And i noticed you were saying forefront like you wanted to point out that Front and you are the same person, i know hoaxers has pointed that out at the back thread also.
Maybe i'm looking to far into this.....
This is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.
That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...
Am I the only one who felt a tinge of panic at the thought this will all end? It is now apparent that I really am an addict. :-[No, I get that too sometimes. Addict, indeed. But a good addict. This hoax has really changed my life.
It's been the journey that I have loved, a great adventure with all of you guys. An education that is invaluable and unobtainable without actually going the distance and putting in the time. And while I can't wait to see MJ BAM, I am somehow reluctant to think about having to share Michael with the entire world again, because we have been blessed [as I see things] to have had this time and his attentions. But being the easily adaptable girl that I am..........I do love a good party/
Ok I been thinking about this thing.
Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.
When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.
So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.
I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.
As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.
In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.
It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.
Bec, I always love your theorizing, makes me think! And yes I agree, they are one and the same only 'wearing slightly different disguises/different make-up, hair etc.' rr/ People said they could always recognize MJ in his eyes, but I say we can recognize him in his heart/humor/character/personality. My family continue to say it's some guy punking us all, that there's no way even if MJ's alive, that he himself would actually be talking to this insignificant small group. I used to think that but not anymore. I think we just have to enjoy while we have him as our guest! ;))
Yes I realize this theory is far out, but it should be clear that in my opinion, the person behind TS is the real deal. I think similarly to others who have stated they believe that Michael Jackson, Study, TS, TS_comments, back and Front are all the same entity. If you start from there as a truth and allow it to direct a flow of theory, it gets very interesting.
@BeTheChange, I don't feel manipulated or tricked either, I feel fortunate to be a part of this. I don't think this is "just" a game. I think it is an epic, life altering experience.
The same here, with TS first. I thought he was Michael from the beginning, or that his messages came from Michael. But then I started to doubt, thinking MJ would not waste his time for a bunch of crazy fans. I just can not believe that we could be so close to the biggest star in the whole world, I just can not believe it....maybe it is his fame that blinds me, I don't know, but it's like touching the star you always wanted to reach. To blow a virtual kiss to Michael Jackson and he to actually be able to see it and smile, could this be really true?
But during my stay on that forum at some point - I might be crazy - but at some point me and my friends started to "feel" that Michael was reading us. Of course I was very skeptical about that but I couldn't I shake off that feeling. I mean the logic says NO, it is not possible, but something above the logic just tells you that that "miracle" can really happen. I just don't know if to trust my feelings or my logic.And in my experience, that gut instinct never lies. Nothing crazy about it. :)
I guess I understand him, it's been so long and Michael Jackson is still dead BTW.
You guys to tell you the truth I don't know what to believe.
I totally agree. Michael will never let us down. And without TS's guide we would have lost the way a long time ago. He plays a very important role in that hoax as we all can see. All we have to is be patient and enjoy the hoax.QuoteI guess I understand him, it's been so long and Michael Jackson is still dead BTW.
You guys to tell you the truth I don't know what to believe.
Gina, just in case you're serious-- enjoy the ride, enjoy the many MJ "moments", embrace what your heart is telling you! The scoffers aren't having any fun. You can always go crazy, wail and throw things on Jan. 1, 2013. (That'll probably be me...) TS, Back and Front have faithfully stayed with us--being our true friend and guide through thick and thin. Who else would do that? MJ would not let us down--we have so many testimonies of people who knew/know him to be faithful. Plus I'm sure it means a lot to him that we believe in him too! I'm glad you're here, you add so much pizzazz!
There's nothing wrong with your English. I envy those who can fluently speak more than one language!
I don't think it's that impossible for Michael to be here with us. This may be a small forum but to me it is very popular. When I had a gut feeling that something was wrong about Michael's death, I just kept it to myself because I thought I had to be crazy. Well one day I just thought I'd google it and see what other people think and this was the first forum that popped up. I read for a long time before I ever registered because I wanted to be sure that I beLIEved and I didn't want to get too involved just to have my heart ripped out later. I don't know why because I feel this connection to Michael, not like I'm an obsessive fan, but that he is so genuine and beautiful a person you just can't help but want him to protect him.Welcom MichaelsAngel to the forum. I always wondered how the newbies really feel about the forum. Some of us have are hon the forum for 2 years now. 2 years ago people were not believing the Michael hoaxed his death - in other words : they didn't want to believe although the clues were soooo obvious to every one. But now things are different!!! There are so many videos on youtube about Michaels hoax, about Michael being alive, Michaels Message to the world, Michaels warnings .... so I believe we have now more people who who believe that Michael is still alive but don't know about our forum. I guess it's easier to convince the people through these videos now because two years ago people were so shocked by his death.
I believe that TS is real. We can't blame him for things not happening like we think they should on the dates that he mentioned. I'm sure some plans had to change and I'm sure we haven't figured everything out. If it turns out that he is fake and so are back and front then so be I made a mistake and I'll learn from it.
You all are very wise and even though I haven't been here for long, I want to thank you guys for
making this a great experience. So I can definitely see Michael loving it here as well.
And to the person, I'm sorry I forget who it was, who said something along the lines us us being happy to have MJ here as our guest, I actually think it's the other way round! Remember Ghosts?
Maestro: "Are we going somewhere? Hello! It's too late, you're my guests! And by the way, did I tell you I wasn't alone? Meet the family!"
And it won't be the end of the hoax, it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet.
There are a few questions on here I've seen presented.
What purpose would it serve for Michael to ever return? He hated to tour...he hated no privacy.
I’ve been thinking about this ARG theory...more and more (something in Bec's post yesterday 'clicked' with me). I’d given it some thought in the past, especially after some of TS’ redirects...but I didn’t spend too much time researching the concept. I’m still a long way away from being anywhere near qualified on the topic...but from what I’ve researched so far, it’s most definitely something that I could see Mike dabbling with and tailoring it to achieve (his) maximum desired results. When it comes to Mike...you just know it’s gonna be ‘new’ and/or ‘improved’.
The difficulty I have is understanding what those desired results were, in his mind....cause if I understood it, then I could act on it. My ‘gut’ tells me to just be patient and trust that Mike knows what he’s doing and he (most likely through TS) will lead us to the truth.
But whether or not it is an ARG, the fact is that we (the ‘believers’) are just one aspect of his grand plan...and we may very well be the ‘ARG aspect’. But why??? What did Mike hope to achieve with this ‘part’ of the hoax? In essence, why are we here...why did Mike make sure that we’d be here? Has this journey, experience, adventure...as a believer...been a gift “for the fans”? Or has it been a sharpening/shifting/focusing of consciousness of a group of people for a higher purpose? I think it’s both.
I thank you, Mike, for the former...and I’m more ready than ever for the latter. “On Michael’s command, we begin”. I have a feeling it won't be long before we're called to duty....are you ready?
With L.O.V.E. always.
Yes, and it's on a scale of complexity we can't fathom. The bigger the lie, the more believable it gets. It's like God has His finger on thousands of greedy evil people and incorporating their plans and actions like threads on a tapestry, into the main story, which is the triumph, vindication , and realization of the creative genius of Michael Jackson as he gives out his love. OR the web of evil and greed is unstoppable, and Michael is dead or in hiding forever (NOT!).And it won't be the end of the hoax, it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet.
I think the same Andrea!
QuoteAnd also his love for God! Which could clearly be seen in his writings here. I agree, with Bec that Michael is the real person behind TS. I've believed it ever since he responded to those who questioned how he knew so much, with the eye opening response, "You wouldn't believe me if I told you."Once again, a dead give away! I've believed this also because of the knowledge he possessed and displayed, and because he spoke in the third person narration when referring to TS.
People said they could always recognize MJ in his eyes, but I say we can recognize him in his heart/humor/character/personality.
From the time God instructed me to pray for Michael in September of 2009 until today, I must admit that it's been an amazing journey! And as Souza said in another post, we really are blessed to have been a part of it! Even though he has been absent to the world, he has been present with us!
Yes I look forward to Bam's Day with great expectations of seeing God's continued hand in Michael's life, and for no other reason! After the Bam, stay tuned, the best is yet to come! I'll stake my life on that!
[blink]Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima,[/blink] Blessings, my friends! [/font]
OnTheWingsOfLove
"...it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet."
Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?Interesting. Something to think about.
AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website. Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear. Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues. As it should and always has.
Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS? He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many. Each will choose what they want to believe or not. Faith is similar in that regard. But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.
I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone
Perhaps that which you believe is........
Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?
AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website. Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear. Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues. As it should and always has.
Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS? He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many. Each will choose what they want to believe or not. Faith is similar in that regard. But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.
I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone
Perhaps that which you believe is........
Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?
AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website. Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear. Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues. As it should and always has.
Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS? He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many. Each will choose what they want to believe or not. Faith is similar in that regard. But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.
I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone
Perhaps that which you believe is........
@fordtocarr, to do what Michael always tried to do; shock the world.
No one has ever done this before... faked their death, fooled everyone, and then come back. It's totally up his alley to pull this off.
Besides... where's he gonna hide for the rest of his life?
Also... what would be the point of including Murray's character in this fiasco if he never intended to come back? Why die of such a self-depreciating thing? You think he would leave his children to publicly bear that burden forever? Kids of a drug addicted, self destructive, washed up, has-been, accused child molester? If he wanted out, I would expect his "death" to be routine and vanilla pudding; a massive heart attack in his sleep, alone, at home. There's no point in involving a 2nd party who could be implicated in your "death" if you simply want to slip quietly away... much less drumming up a bunch of pre-death hoopla by creating an ill-fated concert series who's organizers are also suspect in working you to death because you're too frail and emaciated to finish what you started.
The only logical end to this is a reveal and comeback.
The alternative is everything they say on the news is true... and we all know that is impossible.
...Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues...
Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?
AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website. Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear. Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues. As it should and always has.
Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS? He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many. Each will choose what they want to believe or not. Faith is similar in that regard. But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.
I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone
Perhaps that which you believe is........
Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?
AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website. Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear. Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues. As it should and always has.
Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS? He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many. Each will choose what they want to believe or not. Faith is similar in that regard. But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.
I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone
Perhaps that which you believe is........
Interesting. Something to think about.
Among the terms essential to understand discussions about [ARGs] are:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)
- Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
- The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
- Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
- Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
- This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game doesn't behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.
I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
In the last few weeks I have been overwhelmed with family crisis that seem never ending... Just when all was FINALLY right with the world. :? Guess that means I must be doing something right since I've been a prime target lately & the Spiritual warfare has been fierce. My hearts cry at this point is; Stop the world, I want to get off! :cry: God help me; sometimes I think I might go insane. But, onward I go. Thank you TS for everything you've done on this forum. I have no doubts concerning you & or your part in this.
what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "please its really important for me!!
If they will pay ... it would be fraud!
and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
The ARG concept has now been significantly mentioned on the forum. However, again, for those unfamiliar with the particulars of an ARG and thinking in terms of the MJ death hoax as being one, TS seems to play the role of a “puppetmaster” (and interestingly, according to ARG “rules,” there can be more than one puppetmaster [persons or personas]—e.g., perhaps Front, Back, TS, and so on):QuoteAmong the terms essential to understand discussions about [ARGs] are:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game))
- Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
- The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
- Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
- Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
- This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game doesn't behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.
Thanks for that Starchild. Here's a bit more from that Wiki article that I found interesting:
Basic design principles of ARGs
ARGs are sometimes described as the first narrative art form native to the internet, because their storytelling relies on the two main activities conducted there: searching for information, and sharing information.
* Storytelling as archaeology. Instead of presenting a chronologically unified, coherent narrative, designers scatter pieces of the story across the Internet and other media, allowing players to reassemble it, supply connective tissue and determine what it means.
* Platformless narrative. Stories are not bound to a single medium, but exist independently and use whatever media is available to make itself heard.
* Designing for a hive mind. While it might be possible to follow games individually, designs are directed at a collective of players that share information and solutions almost instantly, and incorporate individuals possessing almost every conceivable area of expertise. While games might initially attract a small group of participants, as the participants come across new challenges they try to find others with the knowledge needed to overcome an obstacle.
* A whisper is sometimes louder than a shout. Rather than openly promoting games and trying to attract participation by "pushing" it toward potential players, designers attempt to "pull" players to the story by engaging in over-the-top secrecy, have elements of the game "warn" players away from them, and eschew traditional marketing channels. Designers do not communicate about the game with players or press while it is in play.
* The "this is not a game" (TINAG) aesthetic. ARGs themselves do not acknowledge that they are games. They do not have an acknowledged ruleset for players; as in real-life, they determine the "rules" either through trial and error or by setting their own boundaries. Narratives present a fully-realized world: any phone number or email address mentioned works, and any website acknowledged exists. Games take place in real-time and are not replayable. Characters function like real people, not game pieces, respond authentically, and are controlled by real people, not by computer AI. Some events involve meetings or live phone calls between players and actors.
* Real life as a medium. Games use players' lives as a platform. Players are not required to build a character or role-play being someone other than themselves. They might unexpectedly overcome a challenge for the community simply because of the real-life knowledge and background they possessed. Participants are constantly on the lookout for clues embedded in everyday life.
* Collaborative storytelling. While the puppetmasters control most of the story, they incorporate player content and respond to players' actions, analysis and speculation by adapting the narrative and intentionally leave "white space" for the players to fill in.
* Not a hoax. While the TINAG aesthetic might seem on the surface to be an attempt to make something indistinguishable from real life, there are both subtle and overt metacommunications in place to reveal a game's framework and most of its boundaries.
What I haven't read anything about as yet, is how past ARG's have come to an end.
BeTheChange
Very interesting first post! I enjoy reading different perspectives on things because they either re-inforce my own beliefs or they cause a little ripple or crack in my 'foundation'....which then causes me to re-evalute what I believe to be truth. And, your perspective is what you have shared with us...nothing more, nothing less.
what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "please its really important for me!!
If they will pay ... it would be fraud!
and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
TS....! :roll:
Have you seen the thread about it? http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20138.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20138.0.html)what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "please its really important for me!!
If they will pay ... it would be fraud!
and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
TS....! :roll:
As so many times before in this hoax, whenever you think something is going in one particular direction, it is as if Michael jumps in and does the spin and everyone is left utterly confused. Generally speaking Michael's genius has that advantage that he can outthink anyone and take them all by surprise and we are all left with a feeling of "Huh? What is going on now?"
what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "please its really important for me!!
If they will pay ... it would be fraud!
and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
TS....! :roll:
reading up on the well known ARG's i can't seem to believe that we could be in one...for exampleIs he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?Interesting. Something to think about.
AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website. Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear. Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design. Life is full of events both good and bad. And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events. But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason. No underlying message, no lesson to be learned. A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues. As it should and always has.
Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS? He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many. Each will choose what they want to believe or not. Faith is similar in that regard. But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.
I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone
Perhaps that which you believe is........
Hi, Thetimehascome,
(Had to leave for work earlier, but had some time now to add on to my earlier post above.)
Before getting involved with the MJ death hoax, I, for one, had never heard of such a thing as an Alternate Reality Game (ARG), and consequently, upon joining this forum, I took a similar stance as you regarding TS.
The ARG concept has now been significantly mentioned on the forum. However, again, for those unfamiliar with the particulars of an ARG and thinking in terms of the MJ death hoax as being one, TS seems to play the role of a “puppetmaster” (and interestingly, according to ARG “rules,” there can be more than one puppetmaster [persons or personas]—e.g., perhaps Front, Back, TS, and so on):QuoteAmong the terms essential to understand discussions about [ARGs] are:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game))
- Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
- The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
- Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
- Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
- This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game doesn't behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.
I just can't see this as an ARG its not interactive besides us lot communicating on the forum.
Am I the only one who felt a tinge of panic at the thought this will all end? It is now apparent that I really am an addict. :-[No, I get that too sometimes. Addict, indeed. But a good addict. This hoax has really changed my life.
It's been the journey that I have loved, a great adventure with all of you guys. An education that is invaluable and unobtainable without actually going the distance and putting in the time. And while I can't wait to see MJ BAM, I am somehow reluctant to think about having to share Michael with the entire world again, because we have been blessed [as I see things] to have had this time and his attentions. But being the easily adaptable girl that I am..........I do love a good party/
In the last few weeks I have been overwhelmed with family crisis that seem never ending... Just when all was FINALLY right with the world. :? Guess that means I must be doing something right since I've been a prime target lately & the Spiritual warfare has been fierce. My hearts cry at this point is; Stop the world, I want to get off! :cry: God help me; sometimes I think I might go insane. But, onward I go. Thank you TS for everything you've done on this forum. I have no doubts concerning you & or your part in this.
Hello dear sister, it's been a while since our last communication. I just want to remind you that you are not going through alone, the Lord is in it with you! "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Remember the battle is not yours but the Lord's!
Just know that I am your prayer partner at a distance and I am standing in the gap for you because "where two or three would agree as touching any one thing it shall be done by the Father!" I'm standing in agreement with you because "two are better than one!" I'm standing with you and for you because it is my Christian duty!Finally my sister, "Be strong in the Lord and the strength of His might!"
You are "Blessed of the Lord!"
OnTheWingsOfLove
p.s. Email me if you feel the need!
Hey guys......
Don't dwell on the negative, be thankful for each moment of time we are given. I feel as if a whole new world has opened up to me here....for that I am truly thankful. I know what you mean about all this coming to an end. However, I believe Michael would not cut us off cold turkey. If all of this was planned down to the minute of death, then the ending will be just as spectacular as the beginning. Look at it as the beginning of another chapter of a magnificent novel. One you have been a part of....writing, conversing about, living. It's Michael's dream to make the world a better place. Wouldn't you say you are better off now, than when it all started? I am. June 25th rocked me to the core. I am so grateful I was able to be open-minded and curious. I had no idea I had all this in me, to tell the truth. My only regret is that I waited so long to join the forum way back when. A few of you probably remember my hesitance....it's ok to laugh, I do! It's an adventure, nothing to be afraid of. Michael is not out to hurt us....I believe that fully. If he is here (which I believe he is, hello MJ!) he is watching us closely. The good, the bad and the ugly have all reared up throughout this hoax. Some have given up. Some have just turned away. Yet, we are here...still deciphering clues, discussing things, discovering the man we never knew. I say good for us! I am so glad we are here......together. If the end is indeed near...with a bam.....we will have been given a great gift. The gift of knowing our time and talents were not wasted. I believe there will be a way for us to stay in touch, if that is what we want. I am at the point where I believe the greater good will prevail...the truth. The truth is that June 25th was put in place, it didn't just happen. We are on an adventure. People call us crazy, call us nuts....wacko even. I say bring it! We are a core essential to Michael's dream. The end will only be the beginning. Don't be afraid of the ending...I am sure it's been meticulously timed as well. I love this quote from Orson Wells:
"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."
Our story will not stop with an unhappy ending.....that I am sure of.
I am blessed by each of you....truly.
I wish you nothing but goodness and happiness.....Michael, words can't begin to tell you. You are a genius of creative thought. A master of life which will not be repeated in my lifetime. I am blessed, indeed.
Blessings to all.......
Quote from: AnnaThis is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.
That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...
I totally get what you mean...like in your other post how you said T.S told us about a Double BAM in Summer, which was ages ago and it didn't happen, but who knows why T.S said that, there could be a good reason.
Also thinking that MJ might not come back because Elvis hasn't either...or some might say MJ has to come back because of he's kids, but Elvis had a kid and he didn't come back...but then again, MJ may not want to do that.
But I agree there is that FEAR OF NOT KNOWING and that kinda get's me, like will we ever know, I can't really see the light at the end of the tunnel...just like other things in life,for example, you may be going through a personal issue and you see no way out, but after a while there is...we just have to wait and until then, WHATEVER HAPPENS after that if MJ doesn't come back, then we can decided to leave this hoax behind or not.
Oh no I hope you guys didn't misunderstand me. I think TS is very legit. I think the person behind TS is Michael himself. I think TS/TIAI is the ARG that we [hoaxers] are playing right now, we just don't know it [have confirmation of it's existence]. We think we are hoaxing. And we are hoaxing, but hoaxing is the ARG aspect to this hoax. It's sort of like playing a game based on a movie.
We think we "invented" hoaxing, per say, but what if we actually did not; what if instead we were invited to join a game [the death hoax] that had already begun [publicly on 6/25/09 at 12:21pm LA time zone]. We just didn't recognize the invite when it came [clues and discrepancies in the news] nor the puppet master when he appeared [Study/TS].
Things always look clearer from outside the box, and those fans of NIN had no idea they were playing a game. They discovered clues and followed messages that led them to some very real seeming "official government" activity, believing all the while this was some real deep shit they had stumbled on to... and when you read about it, it seems so obvious that it was set up by the band, but the people playing at the time had no idea.
So it makes me think, well, is that possible here? The 333 pages of FBI files is very interesting to me, and is almost certainly not a coincidence, but this is the only hard piece of evidence in my opinion, that the FBI is involved, and it in itself doesn't mean the FBI are working with Michael to set up a sting on _____. We haven't seen anyone besides Murray even get looked twice at. Not a single doctor has had the spotlight shone on him/her, no Entertainment company executives have been investigated either. I don't see an alleged sting operation flushing anyone out other then...
...the fans. The non-believer fans are currently all getting caught with their pants down disparaging the Jackson Family and attacking each others "fan quality" over questionable lyrics on an album, books and TV shows, and now this Tribute concert. Because Michael is dead they alleged that no one is protecting Michael's Legacy and everyone is a gold digger. Worst of all, they fail to heed their own idol's decades old message; they ignore the truth and succumb to emotionally charged reasoning, and call for the blood of an innocent man.
The non-believer fans all look like giant hypocrites now. The media have always been assholes and they will have theirs in full following the reveal, but the fans are being set up and exposed more then any other entity that I can see. So far, of course.
Yes I realize this theory is far out, but it should be clear that in my opinion, the person behind TS is the real deal. I think similarly to others who have stated they believe that Michael Jackson, Study, TS, TS_comments, back and Front are all the same entity. If you start from there as a truth and allow it to direct a flow of theory, it gets very interesting.
There is one thing that has puzzled me.
Why do people seem not to keep there faith. If you believe then you believe.
@fordtocarr, to do what Michael always tried to do; shock the world.Oh Bec...I'm the last person that needs convinced to believe in the hoax. I believed it before I came on here and that's what brought me here. I continue to bring in newbies all the time..:) But, I just think dates and timelines into the future lead to distrust and let downs. The questions I ask were ones I read in previous threads. They did make sense. But, I have theories that I believe and I'll just wait. I don't need ts or anyone to teach me to believe, I KNOW he's alive..and I don't need to know when he'll return because as long as I know he's alive I'm fine. I do think the clues out there, ones you've mentioned, are for us, because, the "world" of fans are just continually mourning him and not reading the clues or listening to what he's told us all these years. I don't know his reasons, although most of this hoax is really "fun" inside the frustration of trying to guess then prove reasons to do the hoax. I am grateful for any input ts gives...or anyone else.
No one has ever done this before... faked their death, fooled everyone, and then come back. It's totally up his alley to pull this off.
Besides... where's he gonna hide for the rest of his life?
Also... what would be the point of including Murray's character in this fiasco if he never intended to come back? Why die of such a self-depreciating thing? You think he would leave his children to publicly bear that burden forever? Kids of a drug addicted, self destructive, washed up, has-been, accused child molester? If he wanted out, I would expect his "death" to be routine and vanilla pudding; a massive heart attack in his sleep, alone, at home. There's no point in involving a 2nd party who could be implicated in your "death" if you simply want to slip quietly away... much less drumming up a bunch of pre-death hoopla by creating an ill-fated concert series who's organizers are also suspect in working you to death because you're too frail and emaciated to finish what you started.
The only logical end to this is a reveal and comeback.
The alternative is everything they say on the news is true... and we all know that is impossible.
Its her, it's great to have you back, I missed you!
Interesting that there's been hardly a mention of Elvis in these 6 pages, even though he was the subject of nearly all of TS's original post. Just an observation!you're right curls. We all see the Elvis' connection here but I personally wonder if Elvis is really going to reappear again!!!!!
Quote from: AnnaThis is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.
That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...
I totally get what you mean...like in your other post how you said T.S told us about a Double BAM in Summer, which was ages ago and it didn't happen, but who knows why T.S said that, there could be a good reason.
Also thinking that MJ might not come back because Elvis hasn't either...or some might say MJ has to come back because of he's kids, but Elvis had a kid and he didn't come back...but then again, MJ may not want to do that.
But I agree there is that FEAR OF NOT KNOWING and that kinda get's me, like will we ever know, I can't really see the light at the end of the tunnel...just like other things in life,for example, you may be going through a personal issue and you see no way out, but after a while there is...we just have to wait and until then, WHATEVER HAPPENS after that if MJ doesn't come back, then we can decided to leave this hoax behind or not.
bec
THANK YOU
It makes my day when I see people like you saying most of what I was thinking. It seems
That I have the thoughts, but to put them into words ---- WELL I’m not good at it.
There is one thing that has puzzled me.
Why do people seem not to keep there faith. If you believe then you believe. Why would you
Let silly stuff that is going on change your feelings.
IT’S ALL PART OF THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH which is Michaels plan. Or we could
Say THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.
We are all part of it his family the fans and the doctors, all of us.
I feel like we are a game board and Michael is a giant looking down at all of us and when he feels
He wants to make a move he just bends down and grabs the next piece to the game and moves it.
TS ---- Thank you for staying with us and as bec stated in her post
I BELIEVE TS ----- IS THE REAL DEAL.
bearhug
Love You More Michael :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Hi MJonmind:) Thank you, how kind of you to say! ;D
I am still here. afraid/ Just been kinda quiet, like a little barnacle on the hull of this Ship, holding on, till El Capitan pries me off, or I find something to share at the bullhorn... :lol: mj_dance/
Interesting that there's been hardly a mention of Elvis in these 6 pages, even though he was the subject of nearly all of TS's original post. Just an observation!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megamind PlotMegamind (Will Ferrell) is a super-intelligent alien, a (self-proclaimed) incredibly handsome genius and master of all villainy, and (also self-proclaimed but with more to back it up) villain of the fictional Metro City. Megamind has constantly battled and lost to his nemesis Metro Man (Brad Pitt) since they both arrived on Earth as infants. On the day that Metro City dedicates a museum to their protector, Megamind and his only friend and sidekick Minion (David Cross) kidnap reporter Roxanne Ritchi (Tina Fey) and lure Metro Man into a copper-lined room. To everyone's surprise, Metro Man is unable to escape and appears to be killed when Megamind's death ray strikes him. Megamind revels in his victory against Metro Man, but shortly after becomes depressed, his villainy having no meaning without anyone to stop him.
While attempting to destroy the museum, he disguises himself as its curator Bernard (Ben Stiller) to avoid being found by Roxanne and ends up talking with her. Megamind is inspired by a comment from Roxanne to create a superhero by injecting a worthy target with a serum fashioned from Metro Man's DNA, granting them Metro Man's super-abilities. As Megamind is selecting his target, Roxanne sneaks into Megamind's lair; in the resulting chaos, Megamind accidentally fires the serum into Hal, Roxanne's cameraman (Jonah Hill). Taking advantage of the gullible Hal, Megamind appears to the transformed human as his "space dad", grooming Hal into the superhero Titan (which Hal misspells as "Tighten") and preparing him to fight Megamind in the coming days. Meanwhile, Megamind has become attracted to Roxanne, and continues to date her using his Bernard disguise. Titan, also infatuated with Roxanne, becomes jealous of Bernard, while Minion, seeing Megamind losing interest in villainy, angrily leaves him. On a dinner date, Megamind's disguise falters, leading Roxanne to dump him. Megamind, heartbroken, returns to his lair and vows to fight Titan the next day as planned.
Megamind becomes impatient waiting for Titan and seeks him out, finding that Titan is intending to use his powers for nefarious purposes. Outraged, Megamind taunts Titan into fighting him by revealing his space dad and Bernard disguises. In the midst of the fight, Megamind realizes that Titan will not be satisfied with simply imprisoning Megamind, but intends to kill him. Megamind tries to activate his safeguard scheme by capturing Titan in a copper-lined trap but is shocked to find it fails to work. Megamind flees, leaving the city to celebrate Titan's victory, until Titan reveals that he is taking over the city and goes on a destructive rampage as the new villain, much to everyone's shock. Megamind returns to Roxanne, apologizing and convincing her to lead him to Metro Man's secret headquarters where they might find another way to stop Titan. They are surprised to find Metro Man alive, secluded in his headquarters. Metro Man reveals he had become tired of fighting Megamind and had an epiphany. He then faked his own death to pursue his career as a musician. Without any new leads, Roxanne tries to convince Megamind to fight Titan as the city's hero, but Megamind feels he is destined to always be the failing villain, and turns himself back in to prison.
Later, Titan captures Roxanne and secures her to the top of Metro Tower, threatening to kill her if Megamind does not fight him. Seeing Roxanne in danger, Megamind pleads to the Warden for his release, apologizing for all the wrongs he committed before. To the villain's surprise, Minion has disguised himself as the Warden, accepts Megamind's apology, and the two take off to save the city. Minion disguises himself as Megamind to lure Titan from the tower and save Roxanne, while Megamind disguises himself as Metro Man to verbally berate Titan for his actions. Titan is temporarily bested, and told by "Metro Man" to leave "Metrocity" (Megamind's distinctive mispronunciation of "Metro City"), but the deranged villain returns, seeing through Megamind's disguise. Megamind is forced to run from Titan's wrath, until Roxanne discovers where Megamind left his invisible car and the tool to extract the superhero serum from Titan. Megamind successfully retrieves the device and uses it on Titan, reverting him back to Hal. As Hal is taken away to jail, the city cheers for its new hero, a role that Megamind realizes he is capable of choosing himself.
In the aftermath, the former Metro Man museum is rededicated to Megamind, who is slowly coming around to being the hero. He and Roxanne have developed a relationship, and hidden in the crowds, a disguised Metro Man gives Megamind his congratulations.
Now that we have a promise from TS that Mike will be back till the end of 2012, I was wondering what are we going to do in the meantime?
Is there a plan for us too? What else is left to investigate?
Just reading Arnie Klines tweets this afternoon, and :shock: Im beginning to think he is a part of this all afraid/ he is posting MJ quotes, and one interesting one is :You may be right. What if TS said BAM will be before the end of 2012 to play with us a little because it's really imminent. This could be the case. A surprise for us as well as everyone else. While we're all wingeing and whining about another possible 16 months..BAM.
Just call my name I am your friend MJJ - also posted the painting depicting Michael as an angel with his foot on the devil afraid/ are we about to turn 666 to 999? are we coming to the final process?
Look for yourself @ www.twitter.com/#!/awkmd he has been posting many MJJ quotes today
Now that we have a promise from TS that Mike will be back till the end of 2012, I was wondering what are we going to do in the meantime?Keep spreading Michael's message of love and trying to better the world in whatever way we can. Don't sweat the small stuff (like who wins the best song...etc.) Don't become an angry fan (so many of those I see on Twitter). Just keep Michaeling. When he does return we can honestly say we did our best for you. Just my thoughts.
Is there a plan for us too? What else is left to investigate?
I mean I think I will get bored just to wait for the end of 2012 to see if TS was right or not.
I have to wonder what our role was in this, if it was any, or we just "landed" here by mistake and now Mike is "stuck" with us and has no part for us anymore?
Ive spent a few hours going down Arnies Twitter, he keeps positing the photo of Michael as and angel with his foot on the devil, and much more information we have discovered over the past 2 years, I feel this is quite significant.Just reading Arnie Klines tweets this afternoon, and :shock: Im beginning to think he is a part of this all afraid/ he is posting MJ quotes, and one interesting one is :You may be right. What if TS said BAM will be before the end of 2012 to play with us a little because it's really imminent. This could be the case. A surprise for us as well as everyone else. While we're all wingeing and whining about another possible 16 months..BAM.
Just call my name I am your friend MJJ - also posted the painting depicting Michael as an angel with his foot on the devil afraid/ are we about to turn 666 to 999? are we coming to the final process?
Look for yourself @ www.twitter.com/#!/awkmd (http://www.twitter.com/#%21/awkmd) he has been posting many MJJ quotes today
I never liked this person and always thought he was just after money. Also he's the one who started the bullshit about Mike peeing in cups
Anyway, watch BACK's opinion on 6th of nov 2009
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This is the picture Klein posted. Interesting choice really. Archangel Michael killing the evil.
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
Of course not :)SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
TS is a fake just because he said that Michael will be back till 2013 and you KNOW as a FACT that he is not coming back? :roll:
SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
Of course not :)SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
TS is a fake just because he said that Michael will be back till 2013 and you KNOW as a FACT that he is not coming back? :roll:
This is the picture Klein posted. Interesting choice really. Archangel Michael killing the evil.
Thanks Purelove for posting the picture, I dont know how to do it :oops: I know I should by now after 2 years :oops: :oops: :roll: :)
Interesting picture choice I think, my first though 666 to 999.
SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
"I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!"
You know that's scary don't you...even considering the possibility makes me shiveeerrr errrr
If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.
If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.
You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.
Ok TS, I have been pondering this notion for quite sometime and I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this in the past. I feel that I need to get this off my chest, so here goes.
With all the 2012 stuff going on and people that are important but still very young are dying. What if and a big what if, the government has been forcing these people to go into a special bunker until doomsday is over. The government can hold all these people in case there is a chance that mankind will be able to survive. They could be insuring that future generation will be able to experience greatness like we have. They are taking important people and artifacts and putting them in a safe place. So, if doomsday never comes these people can come out. They won't be prosecuted for faking their death because it was with the help of the government. It reminds me of the movie 2012. It would be the four years and it would be the GREATEST show on earth. All these people coming back that we thought we all lost.
I hope you all understand what I am trying to say. I could be just grasping at straws.
If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.
You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.
Michael will not change his plans based on my one little comment. geek/ He could come back at anytime.
Ok TS, I have been pondering this notion for quite sometime and I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this in the past. I feel that I need to get this off my chest, so here goes.
With all the 2012 stuff going on and people that are important but still very young are dying. What if and a big what if, the government has been forcing these people to go into a special bunker until doomsday is over. The government can hold all these people in case there is a chance that mankind will be able to survive. They could be insuring that future generation will be able to experience greatness like we have. They are taking important people and artifacts and putting them in a safe place. So, if doomsday never comes these people can come out. They won't be prosecuted for faking their death because it was with the help of the government. It reminds me of the movie 2012. It would be the four years and it would be the GREATEST show on earth. All these people coming back that we thought we all lost.
I hope you all understand what I am trying to say. I could be just grasping at straws.
So, Arnie is posting pics full of symbolism?
What´s going on? art here art there :lol:
As most of you know already: the MJ tribute planned for October 8 is exactly 17 years (1 + 7 = 8 ) after the Elvis tribute, which MJ & LMP attended (and this redirect is on 8-17). And it’s not just Global Live pushing Katherine into this; remember that the family has been behind it (except Jermaine and Randy). So if the location of the tribute is not a coincidence (Cardiff Wales & Cardiff Giant hoax), then the timing of it is also not a coincidence.
TS was not the first to bring up the Elvis connections and parallels, but TS did bring Elvis and MJ to the forefront in 2010 (www.ElvisAndMJ.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com/)); however, the reaction from many was not supportive of bringing Elvis into the MJ hoax, and some even left this forum or the whole hoax over it. As I have always said, though, the truth will all come out; and one year later, Jackson family members are supporting a tribute, which is very obviously intended to show the Elvis connection.
Likewise, TS was not the first to bring up the Illuminati and secret societies aspect of the MJ hoax, but TS did bring this to the forefront in 2009 (www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com/)); and just like the Elvis aspect, many have opposed TS because of the Illuminati aspect. Nearly two years later, though, Jackson family members are starting to speak publicly about this as well. As I have already documented in the July 7 thread, La Toya’s book goes into this aspect a little {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html)}. Furthermore, La Toya has just recently verified the Twitter for Paris {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776)}; and Paris herself tweeted in June about the “secret society” aspect, encouraging us to “take time to seek” info about this for ourselves {http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312 (http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312); http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344 (http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344)}.
Those who post regularly on this forum already know most or all of what I’ve said here; but I am including it because there are those not on this forum who still watch the TIAI redirects, and even copy what I post to other forums, etc. And it’s time for these important aspects of the hoax to be understood by all on this forum, other hoax forums, and YouTube, etc.
Getting back to the Elvis connections: the redirect for yesterday (August 16) was a statement by LMP at Graceland {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html)}. Most of the connections there were discovered, and commented upon in that thread; but let me review them here, and add a few points.
“ ‘I'll see you next August.’ What does that sound like? --> I'll see you in July!” {lilwendy}.
“ ‘Elvis Through His Daughter's Eyes’ … this made me think of Jermaine's book ‘You are Not Alone: Michael: Through a Brother's Eyes’.” {Sarahli}.
“Maybe LMP's ‘entire family’ will include her father. Elvis fans deserve a BAM too! They've certainly been waiting long enough.” {Andrea}.
“ ‘...which as you all know as the 35th anniversary will be special time’ To me this was interesting. Why is the 35 anniversary special?” {GINAFELICIA}.
The “entire family” if taken literally, would have to include Jesse/Elvis—since he is still alive. Why is the 35th anniversary special? Because he will then be 77 years old, the same number as the “death” year (8-16-77). Also because it will be exactly ten years after the 25th anniversary, when Dr. Hinton said Elvis would be “coming out” at Graceland. And because “3+5=8” {Yambo3003}; of course 8 is the key number in the Elvis numerology.
It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax (“four years” from 2009, and 911 call at 12:21, FBI files, etc). Of course even if there is an Elvis BAM: he would not be performing again, or even seen in public (other than maybe at Graceland next year). Now I am not saying with any certainty that Elvis will BAM on 8-16-2012; but I am saying that if he ever does, that would be a very likely time. Anyone who has read his book knows that Jesse himself would like the general public to know the truth {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html)}; but he has pressure from family, and especially EPE.
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
ignisaeternus wrote,
It is not a hoax book, but man, if you read it and you are a believer in the hoax, so many things fall into place. She uses Michael's art to really point out what he is trying to tell us. She also, highlights the origin of his initial psychological injury: The Chandler accusations. Especially, she focuses on the stripsearch (which, she points out was like a rape to him- and I always felt that way, too), and how the presence of those pictures has always haunted him, and how he tried time and time again to get them back. She calls them "the Kryptonite to his Superman"- evidence of his humiliation and trauma- out there, unsecured.
Now, many of us have talked before about parallels between the Murray trial and the Chandler accusations as well as the 2005 trial. The stripsearch pictures have been liked to the admission of the (fake, if you are a hoax believer) autopsy pictures.
The reason, I bring this up, is b/c, among other things, the events of 93 are, as I believe, tied to the hoax. Not alone- but as one of the puzzle pieces. The book, investigates other things Michael addressed through his art- and if you read it and are a believer you find that we have talked about many of them. One of the main topics concerns him being a master prankster and illusionist- a shape shifter (see: Thriller, Ghosts, Moonwalker....)- teaching us lessons about ourselves.
Another piece of the puzzle that has occurred recently, among the discussed tribute details (which are so obvious they simply cannot be a coincidence), the upcoming trial and connected resurgence of the tabloid media and self proclaimed MJ experts (a la Rabbi Boteach) and the old cast of characters (Arni Klein), are articles addressing pedophilia in the entertainment industry. I find this very interesting, as I still hold to my often stated belief that there is a sting/FBI aspect to the hoax as well. Again, I believe MJ was tied into investigating this monstrosity- and he was attacked for it, and branded a pedophile himself.
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Michael Jackson has been called the `Greatest Entertainer' the world has ever known. As such, he has been examined from every angle known to man, very few of which had anything to do with who he really was ... until now. Enough has been written about him to fill the Library of Congress ten times over. Sifting through the outright lies, insane innuendo, unverified rumor, unapologetic laziness of our media representatives and unauthorized biographies is, in itself, a full-time job.
Any serious study of Michael Jackson has to begin and end with his artistry, because he was ... and remains ... the consummate expression of his own artistic vision. It has to place him within the racial, cultural, political, national and religious contexts of his times; and it has to show those same contexts as he changed them. Because change them he did. It also has to examine our society's reactions to Michael Jackson and how they changed over time as he progressively gained autonomy over a forty-year career in the sometimes jaundiced public eye. This, Dr. Stillwater has done masterfully.
Dr. Stillwater has picked through all the garbage and gotten to the heart and soul of Mr. Jackson with the same kind of compassion for which he, himself, was famous. She has revealed the entertainment value of his music, discovered the added `punch' of dramatic narrative underlying his short films and hinted at the long-lasting influences other, less intelligent authors completely ignored in favor of repeating the tabloid-esque sensationalism that is ultimately responsible for his demise.
Within the pages of M Poetica: Michael Jackson's Art of Connection and Defiance one meets the ultimate prankster only to find that the joke was always on us, Michael Jackson's audience. My thanks to Dr. Stillwater for an intelligent, well-thought-out, articulate analysis of one of the most under-rated human beings society has ever ignored. I hope that she will continue her analysis with others of his short films and songs in the future. I thoroughly enjoyed this one.
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If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.
You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.
Michael will not change his plans based on my one little comment. geek/ He could come back at anytime.
...are you sure suspicious// suspicious// suspicious// ...?
lolol/
that's an ARG so.....he changes his moves according to our response
and paris 'twitter??
why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
thank you so much TS really
yes!and paris 'twitter??
why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
thank you so much TS really
Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?
yes!and paris 'twitter??
why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
thank you so much TS really
Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?
i believe in hoax but its not same about the return.
[blink]"to each his own."[/blink] lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/
Greetings. I would like to express my intentions and to clarify that which posted previously. I had and hope , no intentions to challenge/debunk/question each of you or TS in that which each believe/authenticity/faith. As my purpose was a twist in the current train of thought that currently exists.
As, I continue hesistantly will reveal that I beLIEve and have faith that MJ is alive. I also have been challenged and provoked as to different reasons/theories/TS as to all things why. I have used the knowledge obtained here over last 2 years, that each member as supplied/express/hypothesized upon, incorporated them into my perception and analysis of the events surrounding MJ. My conculsions are my own, yet influenced by many, that are mine and ones in which I do not force others others to believe but to use to obtain a peace of mind among the madness that each of us struggle each day with. However that being said, I know what I believe, and to this point there is nothing short of actually digging MJ up and seeing the " real" dead MJ will ever change. And again, reviewing reply posts as per to my post, it was never intended to be a interpetated as to put in question TS, his presence or factuality of information pertaining to MJ he has provided. In fact many of my conculsions use insight supplied by TS. So I hope this rectifies those misconceptions of my previous post.
What occurred to me that day and of many days prior is the reason I felt the need to post those thoughts. What you may not know or realize is that I am you and you are me but our difference is that which I wish to convey , a difference which may provide each of you a peace or perspective as this journey continues.
My message was not of authenticity or ARG's as it ventured into. I do think that TS is legit, but do not agree with the methods they use to convey the message. Like each of you as myself, your" faith" borders on obsession, and that which you do believe is so strong, yet so few follow. You have become an isolated group that bond here in order to feel acceptance for that belief. This is not a negative thing purely factual. Over the years there have been countless posts from many questioning one's very sanity in themselves, subilimally reaching out to others who have these and many other feelings that are the same in order to gain some perspective or acceptance in which 99.9% of the world deems insane.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Now that many of you now are angerd by this, let me supply you a few thoughts intended to achieve a clarity as the days continue. As I did, like you, suffered needless turmoil. This pains me to continue to see when I "check in" here.
The numbers here are less and core remains. The site has become more of an audience now as theories have been exhausted. Nothing new, no news, nothing but TS and what he brings. ARG? You could debate the validity that each of you participate in one now. Which coincides with my comment pertaining to method in which TS delievers his revelations.
I believe TS intentions are genuine but perhaps does not realize the effect of the psychological impact he has had on each of us over time. It is one thing to learn the in and outs of the hoax but yet another to present it in such a way that leave the participants constantly seeking more, continuing to feed the very need one might feel to validate the feeling of belief that one has put their faith in. A dangerous , emotion filled game. Simply put....
Tell me I am not crazy.
I will. To each of you I say...
You are right.
He is not dead.
You know it, feel and most importantly beLIEve it.
And why I do this is simple. Now, according to this thread it's 2013...or sometime.. or.....
Let it go and have faith. Get on with your lives. Check in, mingle, see the latest "news", as I did not see and like many of you the wasted energy, heartache and now many ways the manipulation of your feelings that are very real and yet , perhaps by accident, are toyed with. TS posted on the 17th, its now the 28th and you wait, wonder and inadvertantly are played. TS intentions are most likely to slowly reveal things. Like a good book, suspense. But that suspense is a taking a toll which you do not truly see and it's affects it has on you. I didn't see it, but when I did I felt peace inside and no longer felt the need to revolve around this hoax nor it's meanings.
TS why the game? Why not a new "clue" of the day? Or a " did you know"? Obviously you want us to see things but why this way? A way which DOES have a impact that does not promote well-being but continued turmoil within each of those whom feel "alone". I do not know MJ, but my instincts say he would not approve.
So in conculsion, I can hear the naysayers and the responses of "it's an outlet", "we choose to be here", I'm not crazy, you are", yada yada. I am not saying leave the site or get a life but rather you have a life and you are right and you don't need to feel justicified because in the end the truth will reveal itself.
Please do no berate me or that which I perceive. I was one of you and only want the best for each of you. Many will deny the possibility I could be right. I accept that and to each his own. But I do this for L.O.V.E for you to enjoy the life you have and time you have it. After 2 years I have a peace I wish for each of you.
Mo? :shock:
Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day?
Have one for me TS!
With L.O.V.E. always.
Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day?I think this is the day for him to relax and receive our love and wishes! TS,
Have one for me TS!
With L.O.V.E. always.
Souza,You said it very well Souza, good points! Aint it the truth! Even my own family have tried to talk me out of coming here sometimes, they
Others choose to watch 'Days of our lives', 'As the world turns', 'The bold and the beautiful' and all the other soap operas they infect the networks with. In the end they spend an enormous amount of time watching and following them all, freaking out if they miss an episode and learn: zero. Instead of spending those hours watching useless television, people on here choose to follow this hoax and everything that comes with it, which includes, but not contains only, TS' posts. In the end they spend the same amount of time on 'media' as 'sane' people as you apparently like to differ us, yet they learn a lot, much more than they have ever learned at any school or university….
Who are you to condemn that merely based on your own experience. I have had many negative experiences with men, doesn't mean I am going to forums to tell others to think twice before they jump into a relationship. My experience is not other's experience, just like your obsession is not anyone else's but your own.
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
- Halloween 2009
-January 2010
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?
My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?
Thank you
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
- Halloween 2009
-January 2010
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?
My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?
Thank you
Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.
Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts. Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!" Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.
Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.
"four years" from 2009....it's not the number is it TS? That word is also spelled, "fore".
"Fore" is an adverb meaning: in front of, before, earlier, etc.
The statement by MJ "We have four years to get it right." It's not four, it's fore. "We have fore years to get it right."
Fore years prior to 2009 is 2005...the year of the trial. Study the fore years...the years prior to 2009.
I like this post, TS.....thanks for a bit of "summer school"... I have some more thoughts, but will have to continue later....life is calling! Blessings to you always......even if January 1, 2013 comes about!
Have a beautiful day.
I'm tuned TS....no worries there, lol. Yes, I realized the "fore" was a stretch....however, I suppose that's what this is all about. Thinking things through all the way, from all possible angles. While we are on the subject of inclusive numbers....how would Michael count his age? Would he count it 53 or 54.....with inclusive numbering (just curious, really......maybe I'm older than I think :lol: ). Looking forward to your redirect. I am sure it will be interesting! Thanks for the response...I appreciate you taking the time for it.I know what you were thinking-- that anything we are told could have some understanding/interpretation from way out in left field that no one thought of, another level of thinking that in some ways nullify things, or change it cryptically into something unexpected or the exact opposite. That's what I always keep in the back of my mind. Perspective is everything. My math major son told me about fractals and the Mandelbrot Set geek/ crash/ afraid/ about infinite possibilities.
Have a beautiful day!
Blessings Always
I digg into everything, always, and if I doubt that doesn't mean I search to find things to doubt no matter what. In this whole situation, these 2 years, I learned to doubt everything, to not take it and run with it without questioning. I never mean to be disrespectful either, but some people are different. After all, all of us are. I am a person who dissects everything, turns it on all sides and I never trust anything completely. Maybe only my own sister and mother. So when I ask questions it means I do care. Because if I didn't care I would ignore.
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!
I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
- Halloween 2009
-January 2010
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?
My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?
Thank you
Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.
Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts. Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!" Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.
Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.
@Anna, I don't know if this is anything remotely like what TS has in mind, but my thoughts on the seemingly changing Bam dates go like this: when MJ started this hoax, brilliant though he is, he couldn't have predicted precisely what the world's reaction would be. If the media and the public at large had straight away said, 'oh, come on, MJ's at it again, we know this is all fake' there wouldn't have been much point in carrying on with it. So those possible dates, to me at least, and of course this is just my opinion, are there because he could 'come back' on any date in fact, if he's 'found out', so to speak.
Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.
Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.
"And the times has come, This Is It. People are always saying,'They'll take care of it. The government'll--Don't worry, they'll--' 'They' who? It starts with us. It's us. Or else it'll never be done... We have four years to get it right. After that it would be irreversible. Let's take care of the planet."is much more effective and achievable. It is reality, it’s the truth! Wrapped in a monologue expressed passionately by Michael is definitely captivating. I’ve noticed that his quote is popular on the internet. I don’t need to see tabloids copy&pasted, though the “It Starts With Us” quote must be spread all over ASAP.
Oh yes, PureLove, I wasn't suggesting MJ doesn't have a preferred Bam date in mind, but that wouldn't stop him having contingency plans for 'unforseen circumstances' though would it? Which is where those other suggested dates may come in. Even before all this recent 2012 talk, TS has always said there's a date beyond which the hoax won't go. It was never open-ended.
Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.
Some time ago I found this interesting article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change)
“The difficulty of this problem [of global warming] is that its main impacts will be felt by our children and by our grandchildren. A mother tends to be concerned about such things."[/size]
[...]Hello everyone ! :)
Getting back to the Elvis connections: the redirect for yesterday (August 16) was a statement by LMP at Graceland {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html)}. Most of the connections there were discovered, and commented upon in that thread; but let me review them here, and add a few points.
“ ‘I'll see you next August.’ What does that sound like? --> I'll see you in July!” {lilwendy}.
“ ‘Elvis Through His Daughter's Eyes’ … this made me think of Jermaine's book ‘You are Not Alone: Michael: Through a Brother's Eyes’.” {Sarahli}.
“Maybe LMP's ‘entire family’ will include her father. Elvis fans deserve a BAM too! They've certainly been waiting long enough.” {Andrea}.
“ ‘...which as you all know as the 35th anniversary will be special time’ To me this was interesting. Why is the 35 anniversary special?” {GINAFELICIA}.
The “entire family” if taken literally, would have to include Jesse/Elvis—since he is still alive. Why is the 35th anniversary special? Because he will then be 77 years old, the same number as the “death” year (8-16-77). Also because it will be exactly ten years after the 25th anniversary, when Dr. Hinton said Elvis would be “coming out” at Graceland. And because “3+5=8” {Yambo3003}; of course 8 is the key number in the Elvis numerology.
It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax (“four years” from 2009, and 911 call at 12:21, FBI files, etc). Of course even if there is an Elvis BAM: he would not be performing again, or even seen in public (other than maybe at Graceland next year). Now I am not saying with any certainty that Elvis will BAM on 8-16-2012; but I am saying that if he ever does, that would be a very likely time. Anyone who has read his book knows that Jesse himself would like the general public to know the truth {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html)}; but he has pressure from family, and especially EPE.
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! [...]
It would seem that all the 2012 dates favor Elvis (8 ), not Michael (7).
Those are great photo montages, SimPattyK, welcome to the forum.
I agree with whoever brought up that the false alarm BAM dates (Halloween 09, Jan 2010, summer 2010, etc) were probably included to keep our interest in the hoax. If we were looking at only
hints of a possible comeback of 2012 in July of 2009, I think we all might have given up and gone home after the burial.
2012 sounds a million years away, still. We are looking at trial starting within days. 2012 to me means Murray is to complete trial and then some...
and then some? Some what? What comes after trial? Has anyone speculated on this possibility? What happens if Murray is acquitted (or convicted) and Michael isn't back yet? I don't think I've seen a theory yet that includes a scenario after trial. This is fairly uncharted theory territory :?
Mish, ramble away...
If Murray is found guilty, when Michael comes back, just by virtue of not being dead, he will prove that the justice system is broken.
But is that a goal?
The justice system never failed Michael. It was the media and the investigators (DA's office) that failed Michael. And the people... who followed the media as if it were the Pide Piper.
So when looking for possible targets of a sting operation, I tend to focus on the media and the people.... and this being a hoax court... since the guard has long been changed at the DA's office.
But anything is possible. Michael can prove anything he wants to prove, just by not being dead as most believe him to be, depending on how he has written the script.
[...]Those are great photo montages, SimPattyK, welcome to the forum.[...]Thank you!
Hello and welcome SimPattyK.....Thank you, that's nice! yes I like the forum ;) Much LOVE to you!
Great to have you here.....and great first post! I love the numbers.......they are such a road-map to me for some reason. Thanks for pointing those out....it's amazing to see them all together like that.
Hope you enjoy it around here...looking forward to your posts!
Blessings to you!
[...]Thank you! And yes, numerology is the BEST proof ever that both Elvis and Michael are ALIVE, for all the obvious reasons! But most important: because it shows how everything was planned to the date and hour and minute!
P.S. @ SimPattyK - awesome post, love the numbers!
Put some more of your work , especially the one with the clothes ... 2005 vs 2010 ... all of them actually !lol :) Ok I will ... ;)
moonwalk_/ + elvis_/ = bearhug