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Title: TIAI August 17
Post by: TS_comments on August 17, 2011, 02:21:19 AM
As most of you know already: the MJ tribute planned for October 8 is exactly 17 years (1 + 7 = 8 ) after the Elvis tribute, which MJ & LMP attended (and this redirect is on 8-17).  And it’s not just Global Live pushing Katherine into this; remember that the family has been behind it (except Jermaine and Randy).  So if the location of the tribute is not a coincidence (Cardiff Wales & Cardiff Giant hoax), then the timing of it is also not a coincidence.

TS was not the first to bring up the Elvis connections and parallels, but TS did bring Elvis and MJ to the forefront in 2010 (www.ElvisAndMJ.com (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com)); however, the reaction from many was not supportive of bringing Elvis into the MJ hoax, and some even left this forum or the whole hoax over it.  As I have always said, though, the truth will all come out; and one year later, Jackson family members are supporting a tribute, which is very obviously intended to show the Elvis connection.

Likewise, TS was not the first to bring up the Illuminati and secret societies aspect of the MJ hoax, but TS did bring this to the forefront in 2009 (www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com)); and just like the Elvis aspect, many have opposed TS because of the Illuminati aspect.  Nearly two years later, though, Jackson family members are starting to speak publicly about this as well.  As I have already documented in the July 7 thread, La Toya’s book goes into this aspect a little {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html)}.  Furthermore, La Toya has just recently verified the Twitter for Paris {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776)}; and Paris herself tweeted in June about the “secret society” aspect, encouraging us to “take time to seek” info about this for ourselves {http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312 (http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312); http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344 (http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344)}.

Those who post regularly on this forum already know most or all of what I’ve said here; but I am including it because there are those not on this forum who still watch the TIAI redirects, and even copy what I post to other forums, etc.  And it’s time for these important aspects of the hoax to be understood by all on this forum, other hoax forums, and YouTube, etc.

Getting back to the Elvis connections: the redirect for yesterday (August 16) was a statement by LMP at Graceland {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html)}.  Most of the connections there were discovered, and commented upon in that thread; but let me review them here, and add a few points.

“ ‘I'll see you next August.’  What does that sound like? --> I'll see you in July!” {lilwendy}.

“ ‘Elvis Through His Daughter's Eyes’ … this made me think of Jermaine's book ‘You are Not Alone: Michael: Through a Brother's Eyes’.” {Sarahli}.

“Maybe LMP's ‘entire family’ will include her father.  Elvis fans deserve a BAM too!  They've certainly been waiting long enough.” {Andrea}.
 
“ ‘...which as you all know as the 35th anniversary will be special time’  To me this was interesting. Why is the 35 anniversary special?” {GINAFELICIA}.

The “entire family” if taken literally, would have to include Jesse/Elvis—since he is still alive.  Why is the 35th anniversary special?  Because he will then be 77 years old, the same number as the “death” year (8-16-77).  Also because it will be exactly ten years after the 25th anniversary, when Dr. Hinton said Elvis would be “coming out” at Graceland.  And because “3+5=8” {Yambo3003}; of course 8 is the key number in the Elvis numerology.

It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax (“four years” from 2009, and 911 call at 12:21, FBI files, etc).  Of course even if there is an Elvis BAM: he would not be performing again, or even seen in public (other than maybe at Graceland next year).  Now I am not saying with any certainty that Elvis will BAM on 8-16-2012; but I am saying that if he ever does, that would be a very likely time.  Anyone who has read his book knows that Jesse himself would like the general public to know the truth {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html)}; but he has pressure from family, and especially EPE.

Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ.  However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 17, 2011, 02:31:54 AM
TS why do you always have to be so smart, organized and precise  bounce/?

You perfectionist :mrgreen:.

Welcome back, I like this post, and especially the promise you made.

(please God keep Mike alive till 2013 so he can come back and keep us alive to see him coming back  bow/)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: _Anna_ on August 17, 2011, 02:40:26 AM
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Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!



I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
 
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
 
- Halloween 2009
 
-January 2010
 
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?


My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
 
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?

Thank you
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: 2good2btrue on August 17, 2011, 03:30:36 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh5Wo3IJ9c[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 17, 2011, 03:39:07 AM
Quote from: TS_comments
It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax


Must be a Major year in MJ's BAM too.


Quote from: TS_comments
Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!


It also feels good to know an end date, now I feel I can enjoy this hoax even more...cause that's what I kinda struggled with, thinking it will be NEVER ENDING.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 17, 2011, 03:53:25 AM
 ???/  Another TIAI another delay...
Guess I got used to it...
 
What is the purpose of this TIAI? Is there anything for us to investigate? Any leaf pattern?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 17, 2011, 04:01:45 AM
TS, thank you for this - I kind of thought you'd been 'wasting' posts on uncharacteristic chit-chat so that your 77th could be something meaningful!!

Now I wonder what constitutes a BAM in your eyes!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 17, 2011, 04:49:21 AM
I think bamsday was planned like everything else. TS probably had other reasons to point out those dates as possibilities. Elvis back in the hoax, you sure know how to empty a forum TS! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And come and chit-chat away whenever you want, I think it's nice. I also think it's nice you gave the absolute deadline, it's comforting although still a long ass time to wait, if it will last that long anyway.

 bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: 2good2btrue on August 17, 2011, 05:20:31 AM
I'm all shook up. elvis_/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: JentleTouch on August 17, 2011, 05:34:00 AM
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Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!

Hello TS!
To tell you the truth, from the day TII was realized I knew MJ would be back after the famous 4 years would have been passed. He said it himself. He warned the fans it would be a long waiting process.
But I thought it would be 2013  confused/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: JentleTouch on August 17, 2011, 05:43:10 AM
Anyway i think I should change this smiley face  confused/ into these ones  party/ michael-jackson/ mj_bad/ lol
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 17, 2011, 06:25:25 AM
You know TS - even if let's say after 2012 you will be proved wrong - I got to tell you this: You are an amazing person.

You built your TIAI "system" with so much care and logic and everything that I could never get mad with you. And neither with myself for following you.

But for the meantime I hope your prediction will come true  michael-jackson/.

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: _Anna_ on August 17, 2011, 06:32:14 AM
There are still things that have no answer, and I quote TS from September 2009.
 
Others say that if he comes back, it won’t be for years. But that would hardly qualify as "soon and very soon". Furthermore, if he did not go into permanent hiding, then he has a reason for coming back; and that would be publicity and/or to show that you can’t trust the media. So when would be a good time to do this? After a few years, when the media and the public aren’t thinking much about MJ anymore?? No, the best time to do this is NOW—while the news is still hot!


How did it change gradually from "So when would be a good time to do this? After a few years, when the media and the public aren’t thinking much about MJ anymore?? No, the best time to do this is NOW" (September 2009) to "January 1st 2013" as the deadline? Counting also a lot of other dates that never happened. This is what has no answer and I can't understand. If this all was planned, then why so many wrong dates?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sandythyme on August 17, 2011, 07:34:11 AM
All I can say is I believe in God, Michael Jackson, myself (Michael taught me this) and to add to my list TS.  Thanks TS I have always believed in you.  You made my day!  I have found that our world has become very impatient, this hoax has taught us about life, listening, looking and believeing.  Many have left because they didn't believe and were....impatient.  Also, from the beginning if you informed us of a "BAM" timing, this whole site probably would not have happened.  People would think oh yeah, he'll be back and that's it.  But you made us work hard and find answers and drive our families and friends crazy because Michael is in our heads 24/7 and basically it's pass the salt and oh yeah Michael.  I am not even going to think what if there is no bam, because it's all there, the evidence is there.  It couldn't be more in plain site.  We continue on.  Thanks TS, it's a good day.  Take care, Love to All and especially to you TS  penguin/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 17, 2011, 07:57:15 AM
Thank you TS for giving us food for thoughts and enlightment :)
 
8 is a hoax significant number + if there's gonna be a Bam, it'll be in 2012 + Michael's "See you in July" makes
Bamsday on July 8th, 2012 bounce/ Just a wild guess ;)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: _Anna_ on August 17, 2011, 09:24:05 AM
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It also feels good to know an end date, now I feel I can enjoy this hoax even more...cause that's what I kinda struggled with, thinking it will be NEVER ENDING.

This is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.

That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 17, 2011, 09:52:02 AM
"four years" from 2009....it's not the number is it TS? That word is also spelled, "fore".
"Fore" is an adverb meaning: in front of, before, earlier, etc.


The statement by MJ "We have four years to get it right."  It's not four, it's fore.  "We have fore years to get it right."
Fore years prior to 2009 is 2005...the year of the trial.  Study the fore years...the years prior to 2009. 


I like this post, TS.....thanks for a bit of "summer school"... I have some more thoughts, but will have to continue later....life is calling! Blessings to you always......even if January 1, 2013 comes about!


Have a beautiful day.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Kristina4LOVE on August 17, 2011, 10:09:47 AM
"I've always wanted to be able to tell stories, you know, stories that came from my soul. I'd like to sit by a fire and tell people stories - make them see pictures, make them cry and laugh, take them anywhere emotionally with something as deceptivelysimple as words. I'd like to tell tales to move their souls and transform them. I've always wanted to be able to do that. Imagine how the great writers must feel, knowing they have that power. I sometimes feel I could do it. It's something I'd like to develop. In a way, songwriting uses the same skills, creates the emotional hights and lows, but the story is a sketch. It's quicksilver. There are very few books written on the art of storytelling, how to grip listeners, how to get a group of people together and amuse them. No costumes, no makeup, no nothing, just you and your voice, and your powerful ability to take them anywhere, to transform their lives, if only for minutes." Michael Jackson. Congradulations Michael!!! You did it!!! You've made us cry and laugh and you totally changed our lives forever! And I'm sure that we have a lot more to expirience before the BAM :) I wish I could spend more time here, I don't want to miss anything.                               LOVE to all!!! :) 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 17, 2011, 10:12:09 AM

....well, Michael said that teniamos 4 years to do it.


 I hope that we do not have to wait so much as the fans of Elvis and to meet this way





(http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1599/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1599-13833.jpg)









 :lol: :lol:



Yesterday i ask TS to be a little more explicit, thanks
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: salma on August 17, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
well i think that those 4 years that michael was talking about, to make a change..etc, was about the 4 presidential years given to the president barack obama, remember....  moonwalk_/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: JukeBox on August 17, 2011, 10:21:50 AM
the end of 2012 is still a long way to go... yet i can't believe how far we've come since June 25 2009... Even though the waiting is sometimes tiring, i still can't help but imagine how excited the world is going to be upon learning that MJ, AND Elvis are still alive.
just a thought that ran through my head: perhaps the MJ Bam and Elvis Bam would happen at the same time, for effectiveness (doubling the shock) and for corroboration (both families claiming that they are the real MJ and Elvis; what are the chances of both families admitting their deaths have been faked, or having a fake replacement?). if that happens, Bam could fall on a day that involves both multiple 8s and 7s. the 35th 'death' anniversy of Elvis seems like a reasonable date, for reasons stated by TS.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 17, 2011, 10:44:14 AM
Quickly and briefly,

if we are to accept 2005-2009 being 4 years (which I do), then 2009-2012 is only 3 years. 2009-1/1/2013 would be 3.5 years.

I find it interesting that TS didn't mention the upcoming trial at all in this post  errrr



Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 17, 2011, 12:14:25 PM
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Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!

Hello TS!
To tell you the truth, from the day TII was realized I knew MJ would be back after the famous 4 years would have been passed. He said it himself. He warned the fans it would be a long waiting process.
But I thought it would be 2013  confused/

Whoo Hoo! Inclusive reckoning...  :)   
See you in July; MJ
See you in Aug; LMP/Jessie
Double BAM?  moonwalk_/ elvis_/ party/

What Ever Happens TS  bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 17, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
Ok I been thinking about this thing.

Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.

When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.

So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.

I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.

As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.

In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.

It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 17, 2011, 12:22:03 PM
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Ok I been thinking about this thing.

Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.

When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.

So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.

I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.

As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.

In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.

It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.

Well THAT was depressing.  :lol: You sure know how to crash a party Bec! 
But I understand what you're saying.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: itsall4luv on August 17, 2011, 12:44:50 PM
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Ok I been thinking about this thing.

Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.

When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.

So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.

I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.

As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.

In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.

It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.

Well stated, Bec.  party/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Grace on August 17, 2011, 12:48:51 PM
TS has offered plenty of opportunities to explore, expand and change.
TS has offered plenty of occasions to take at face value what he said and take on his track.
Everybody had a choice. This deserves credit.

So this one is for you, TS. Thank you.

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Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MissG on August 17, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
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  However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!


Well, why not saving the time and telling straight? What an ambiguous post, TS.

To be honest i don´t need anyone telling me or leading me to believe in a "bam" date or a comeback date.

I hurt for those being played along with this neverending "possible Bam" dates, whatever BAM means for you.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 17, 2011, 12:52:22 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2slUqnr1d8&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]   mj_bad/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: AnaMarcia on August 17, 2011, 01:24:31 PM
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Quickly and briefly,

if we are to accept 2005-2009 being 4 years (which I do), then 2009-2012 is only 3 years. 2009-1/1/2013 would be 3.5 years.

I find it interesting that TS didn't mention the upcoming trial atall in this post errrr

I think because he missed the two previous dates. It's better not give clues of something, if you are not sure if will occur.  ;)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 17, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
Year 2070... Michael Jackson fans still waiting for their idol to come back...
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Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 17, 2011, 01:29:35 PM
Oh come on. We know it won't be that long. I can't imagine he wants to live his life in hiding forever.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 17, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
@ Bec
 
I hope so, Bec....
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: AnaMarcia on August 17, 2011, 01:41:46 PM
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There are still things that have no answer, and I quote TS from September 2009.
 
Others say that if he comes back, it won’t be for years. But that would hardly qualify as "soon and very soon". Furthermore, if he did not go into permanent hiding, then he has a reason for coming back; and that would be publicity and/or to show that you can’t trust the media. So when would be a good time to do this? After a few years, when the media and the public aren’t thinking much about MJ anymore?? No, the best time to do this is NOW—while the news is still hot!


How did it change gradually from "So when would be a good time to do this? After a few years, when the media and the public aren’t thinking much about MJ anymore?? No, the best time to do this is NOW" (September 2009) to "January 1st 2013" as the deadline? Counting also a lot of other dates that never happened. This is what has no answer and I can't understand. If this all was planned, then why so many wrong dates?

I agree so much with you, Anna!

And what about the date 777? On August 11, 2011 nothing much happened except a cake, which gave me the assurance that 777 is a very common lucky number in Las Vegas.

Sorry TS, but I do not buy this 2012 date, and any other that might arise. I will stay with the messages of Michael and his songs that I follow daily.

I love you very much, Michael! Just do not like the way it is walking the hoax.

Life must go on, guys! I think that 2012/2013 will be too late!   :(
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 17, 2011, 02:18:28 PM

Seriously, I don't think TS is hoaxing us. Has he played with us a little? Yes, of course he has. And it has been fun. The false theories he has supported were obvious: The ambulance picture being real, the murder theory and some other things he couldn't defend anyways. All the other stuff is true, whether it fits your romantic image of MJ the performer or not. The past two years TS has been guiding us, helping us, amusing us, and informing us. I think many of us are still here because of TS, even though many also left with a lot of drama because of TS. I don't think I would still have been here if TS would have left or never signed up in the first place. Knowing that he is still with us comforts me and motivates me to keep going. Not that I would have thought MJ would have been dead if it weren't for TS, but I wouldn't have been able to take all the shit without his continuous support. If you look at the shit he had to take sometimes, even on here while I did my best to defend him, and the fact that he is still here, says something about his charachter and the importance of all this for him. Never before has he said anything about a definite BAM, this is the first time. Maybe you should take this as a gift, and let it comfort you. You must know by now that TS doesn't fuck with us, so you also know that in max. 16 months the truth will be out. I believe him, I have always believed in him (except for some of his debunk-theories ;) ) and I feel comforted by this post. And if you don't believe him, there is no use in asking him questions because you wouldn't believe the answers anyway. But in my opinion he deserves some credit after almost 2 years. And an Elvis bam? If so it will be a small one, but I think it will be comforting enough for the fans who really aged many decades. But I did not see any confirmation about that in TS' post.

So thanks TS, for hanging in there.  bearhug

"Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"

And one more time, because I know you like it lolol/ :

(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/Old_Demon/Funnies/UglyWoman.gif)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Mish1981 on August 17, 2011, 02:24:58 PM
Why is there so much loss of hope? We are hitting September soon and then before we know it we will be in January. TS said in 2012 he didn't say the last day in 2012, so who knows when through out the year it will happen. If we have been following the hoax thus far, really what is another year. We shouldn't be selfish. There is an important reason(s) that this hoax had to happen. To get upset that Michael isn't back before the timing is right sorry to say is being completely selfish. I want to see Michael back soon also but not before the timing is RIGHT for HIM. We as a whole have to remember this was done by him for him and for all of us to see the truth in the world, regardless if we agree on everything or not.

Let's give him the time he so justly deserves, when he is ready and the time is right, he will bless us with his presents. We have to remain faithful to Michael that he knows what he is doing.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 17, 2011, 02:32:37 PM
No, TS didn't even say 2012, he said between now and December 31, 2012. Could mean tomorrow, could mean a year from now.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Mish1981 on August 17, 2011, 02:35:30 PM
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No, TS didn't even say 2012, he said between now and December 31, 2012. Could mean tomorrow, could mean a year from now.

That's true but even if it is Dec 31st Michael still deserves our patience in waiting for him and respect for his decision.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 17, 2011, 02:42:27 PM
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"Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"

And one more time, because I know you like it lolol/ :

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Souza can you stop posting this please, it's terribly ugly and scares me every time  errrr afraid/ lolol/

All for one and one for all? Nice motto.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 17, 2011, 02:49:38 PM
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Souza can you stop posting this please, it's terribly ugly and scares me every time  errrr afraid/ lolol/


You think I'm ugly?  :-\ :P
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bleu eyes on August 17, 2011, 02:57:18 PM
You could feel that there were and are  a lot of things that has to develop before Michael can come back, you can feel the progress, it's getting more obvious by the day the picture is getting clearer and clearer for me, i'm not a great poster but i bin here reading , because most of the time i dont know how to express myself in english.

I have one question for you TS i have noticed before that in the beginning of your redirect you are talking about "TS" instead of saying "me" or "i" , later on you say me or i , it's just like you havent write your entire post yourself?Is there another person who writes aswell in the same redirect.

And i noticed you were saying forefront like you wanted to point out that Front and you are the same person, i know hoaxers has pointed that out at the back thread also.
Maybe i'm looking to far into this.....

always with Love

Bleu Eyes

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 17, 2011, 03:07:06 PM
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Souza can you stop posting this please, it's terribly ugly and scares me every time  errrr afraid/ lolol/


You think I'm ugly?  :-\ :P

Not even magic would work on that face errrr

I'm sure you are beautiful ...on the inside ;D lolol/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on August 17, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
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Year 2070... Michael Jackson fans still waiting for their idol to come back...
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Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Sarahli on August 17, 2011, 04:31:12 PM
Thank you TS to give us this deadline ... it gives hope and courage....til then the voyage continues.  :)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: fordtocarr on August 17, 2011, 04:55:14 PM
I don't think these future possible dates mean anything.  We already believe that Michael isn't going to let Murray go to jail, so he has to either come back before the verdict or Murray gets off.  The dates don't matter...the most important thing has to be the trial timing.  Relate all that to these numerology dates and that's when it will be, because there is a trial and it has to mean something and murray sure isn't going to jail.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 17, 2011, 05:36:54 PM
Dear TS,

It doesn't matter how much you try to prove your legitimacy, skeptical ones will keep on finding excuses to think that you are not legit. After MJ's BAM is the time when you can tell who you really are and that's when they can believe you. Even I sometimes want to SCREAM so loud and so hard when I read some of the posts, comments about you. I wrote once that you have a prophet's patience. I would like to thank you for staying with us in this long journey and in spite of all the criticism, ignorance and bullying. I'm not talking for this forum only but also like you wrote, the other forums and youtube, twitter etc.

This recent post of yours made me feel very excited and happy. This is amazing news. And I'm so so glad that I was wrong about 2014 which was the BAM date in my mind.  :mrgreen: Thank you TS.  bearhug

Bring it on Michael babes.  moonwalk_/

[blink]THIS IS THE BEST SHOW EVER![/blink]
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 party/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 17, 2011, 05:42:28 PM
LOL  :)

You, me, SandyThyme, 2Good2bTrue & Souza...PARTY. I'm excited.  moonwalk_/ elvis_/ mj_bad/ party/ party/ bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on August 17, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
Today at 12:21:19 AM

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Likewise, TS was not the first to bring up the Illuminati and secret societies aspect of the MJ hoax, but TS did bring this to the forefront in 2009 (www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com); and just like the Elvis aspect, many have opposed TS because of the Illuminati aspect.  Nearly two years later, though, Jackson family members are starting to speak publicly about this as well.  As I have already documented in the July 7 thread, La Toya’s book goes into this aspect a little {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html}.  Furthermore, La Toya has just recently verified the Twitter for Paris {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776}; and Paris herself tweeted in June about the “secret society” aspect, encouraging us to “take time to seek” info about this for ourselves {http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312; http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344}.

Those who post regularly on this forum already know most or all of what I’ve said here; but I am including it because there are those not on this forum who still watch the TIAI redirects, and even copy what I post to other forums, etc.  And it’s time for these important aspects of the hoax to be understood by all on this forum, other hoax forums, and YouTube, etc.
TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,1933.0.html
TIAI Update #4c: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,7124.0.html

"What IF you could LIVE it!"
http://www.42entertainment.com/yearzero/

Adi had posted this link below (in back's thread) to a very interesting article regarding NIN's ARG. It is worth your time to read it. It will help explain how an ARG works. rr/
Secret Websites, Coded Messages: The New World of Immersive Games
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_args

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
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Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may use:
simple denial - deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation - admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection - admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: looking4truth on August 17, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
I mentioned the possibility of us waiting until 2012 a long time ago and people bemoaned that but it's looking more and more like a real chance. It was also make sense to wait a little longer considering his family's current commitments. Janet is on tour (great show btw); Austin Brown is just starting his career with the release of his EP this month; Jermaine is coming out with a book, etc. If and when he comes back, there may be a big backlash against not only MJ but his family as well so that would have to be taken into account when planning this I imagine. I just hope the truth prevails and he'll be able to explain everything directly to the audience without any further media manipulation. Thanks TS for this update.  bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 17, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
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Year 2070... Michael Jackson fans still waiting for their idol to come back...
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:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 17, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
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Seriously, I don't think TS is hoaxing us. Has he played with us a little? Yes, of course he has. And it has been fun. The false theories he has supported were obvious: The ambulance picture being real, the murder theory and some other things he couldn't defend anyways. All the other stuff is true, whether it fits your romantic image of MJ the performer or not. The past two years TS has been guiding us, helping us, amusing us, and informing us. I think many of us are still here because of TS, even though many also left with a lot of drama because of TS. I don't think I would still have been here if TS would have left or never signed up in the first place. Knowing that he is still with us comforts me and motivates me to keep going. Not that I would have thought MJ would have been dead if it weren't for TS, but I wouldn't have been able to take all the shit without his continuous support. If you look at the shit he had to take sometimes, even on here while I did my best to defend him, and the fact that he is still here, says something about his charachter and the importance of all this for him. Never before has he said anything about a definite BAM, this is the first time. Maybe you should take this as a gift, and let it comfort you. You must know by now that TS doesn't fuck with us, so you also know that in max. 16 months the truth will be out. I believe him, I have always believed in him (except for some of his debunk-theories ;) ) and I feel comforted by this post. And if you don't believe him, there is no use in asking him questions because you wouldn't believe the answers anyway. But in my opinion he deserves some credit after almost 2 years. And an Elvis bam? If so it will be a small one, but I think it will be comforting enough for the fans who really aged many decades. But I did not see any confirmation about that in TS' post.

So thanks TS, for hanging in there.  bearhug

"Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"

And one more time, because I know you like it lolol/ :

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I don't want to see me so errrr
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: mjaliveomg on August 17, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ty Ts.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on August 17, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
 8)  Wow TS! I hope you really know what you are talking about. And I hope this BAM is sooner than later.
The BAM, in my eyes, is one of the family members or all of them making yet another press conference that Michael is alive and well and will be addressing the world soon. I think this is something that might not just be thrown on people since we are such a small minority of believers. The rest of the conditioned zombies have very weak fragile minds that may explode like the alien's brains in Mars Attacks once they hear the news. They need baby steps.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 17, 2011, 09:48:48 PM
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VeryLittleSusie
  Another TIAI another delay...
Guess I got used to it...
 
What is the purpose of this TIAI? Is there anything for us to investigate? Any leaf pattern?
At this point I don't mind TS dangling a carrot in front of our eyes. I just want to keep seeing the carrot! :D  And there are "patterns" everywhere!

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Souza
I think bamsday was planned like everything else. TS probably had other reasons to point out those dates as possibilities. Elvis back in the hoax, you sure know how to empty a forum TS!    

And come and chit-chat away whenever you want, I think it's nice. I also think it's nice you gave the absolute deadline, it's comforting although still a long ass time to wait, if it will last that long anyway.

It's like 'Divide and conquer' !  I'm relieved about the deadline too, but I know with TS, we might still have to read between the lines. He might have tricks up his sleeve yet!  January 1, 2013 if nothing happens I'm garanteed to feel sick. :-[

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sandythyme
All I can say is I believe in God, Michael Jackson, myself (Michael taught me this) and to add to my list TS.  Thanks TS I have always believed in you.  You made my day!  I have found that our world has become very impatient, this hoax has taught us about life, listening, looking and believeing.  Many have left because they didn't believe and were....impatient.  Also, from the beginning if you informed us of a "BAM" timing, this whole site probably would not have happened.  People would think oh yeah, he'll be back and that's it.  But you made us work hard and find answers and drive our families and friends crazy because Michael is in our heads 24/7 and basically it's pass the salt and oh yeah Michael.  I am not even going to think what if there is no bam, because it's all there, the evidence is there.  It couldn't be more in plain site.  We continue on.  Thanks TS, it's a good day.  Take care, Love to All and especially to you TS   

My words exactly! I love you TS, and Michael and all as well!

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bleu eyes
You could feel that there were and are  a lot of things that has to develop before Michael can come back, you can feel the progress, it's getting more obvious by the day the picture is getting clearer and clearer for me, i'm not a great poster but i bin here reading , because most of the time i dont know how to express myself in english.

I have one question for you TS i have noticed before that in the beginning of your redirect you are talking about "TS" instead of saying "me" or "i" , later on you say me or i , it's just like you havent write your entire post yourself?Is there another person who writes aswell in the same redirect.

And i noticed you were saying forefront like you wanted to point out that Front and you are the same person, i know hoaxers has pointed that out at the back thread also.
Maybe i'm looking to far into this.....
Twice he used the word "forefront".  Coincidence.  TS and Front posted on the same day too. It's nothing but another coincidence. ???/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sandythyme on August 17, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Hi everyone, I really enjoyed today!  Thanks TS.  I believe, I believe, I believe.  Also, MissTrinity333 thanks for inviting me to the party...I'll bring the food and beverages ;)) .  TheMoonIsDancing, I understand exactly what you mean about the zombies and baby steps.  I love Mars Attacks!  But I must say that I am finding more and more people who truely believe that Michael is alive.  People of all ages.  I am amazed and excited about that!  So hopefully when all is said and done, we won't have as many zombies heads blowing up as we would have before.....could get really messy!!  Take care, Love to All  penguin/ bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 17, 2011, 10:06:00 PM
Oh no I hope you guys didn't misunderstand me. I think TS is very legit. I think the person behind TS is Michael himself. I think TS/TIAI is the ARG that we [hoaxers] are playing right now, we just don't know it [have confirmation of it's existence]. We think we are hoaxing. And we are hoaxing, but hoaxing is the ARG aspect to this hoax. It's sort of like playing a game based on a movie.
 
We think we "invented" hoaxing, per say, but what if we actually did not; what if instead we were invited to join a game [the death hoax] that had already begun [publicly on 6/25/09 at 12:21pm LA time zone]. We just didn't recognize the invite when it came [clues and discrepancies in the news] nor the puppet master when he appeared [Study/TS].

Things always look clearer from outside the box, and those fans of NIN had no idea they were playing a game. They discovered clues and followed messages that led them to some very real seeming "official government" activity, believing all the while this was some real deep shit they had stumbled on to... and when you read about it, it seems so obvious that it was set up by the band, but the people playing at the time had no idea.

So it makes me think, well, is that possible here? The 333 pages of FBI files is very interesting to me, and is almost certainly not a coincidence, but this is the only hard piece of evidence in my opinion, that the FBI is involved, and it in itself doesn't mean the FBI are working with Michael to set up a sting on _____. We haven't seen anyone besides Murray even get looked twice at. Not a single doctor has had the spotlight shone on him/her, no Entertainment company executives have been investigated either. I don't see an alleged sting operation flushing anyone out other then...

...the fans. The non-believer fans are currently all getting caught with their pants down disparaging the Jackson Family and attacking each others "fan quality" over questionable lyrics on an album, books and TV shows, and now this Tribute concert. Because Michael is dead they alleged that no one is protecting Michael's Legacy and everyone is a gold digger. Worst of all, they fail to heed their own idol's decades old message; they ignore the truth and succumb to emotionally charged reasoning, and call for the blood of an innocent man.

The non-believer fans all look like giant hypocrites now. The media have always been assholes and they will have theirs in full following the reveal, but the fans are being set up and exposed more then any other entity that I can see. So far, of course.

Yes I realize this theory is far out, but it should be clear that in my opinion, the person behind TS is the real deal. I think similarly to others who have stated they believe that Michael Jackson, Study, TS, TS_comments, back and Front are all the same entity. If you start from there as a truth and allow it to direct a flow of theory, it gets very interesting.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 17, 2011, 10:28:25 PM
Quote from: Anna
This is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.

That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...


I totally get what you mean...like in your other post how you said T.S told us about a Double BAM in Summer, which was ages ago and it didn't happen, but who knows why T.S said that, there could be a good reason.


Also thinking that MJ might not come back because Elvis hasn't either...or some might say MJ has to come back because of he's kids, but Elvis had a kid and he didn't come back...but then again, MJ may not want to do that.


But I agree there is that FEAR OF NOT KNOWING and that kinda get's me, like will we ever know, I can't really see the light at the end of the tunnel...just like other things in life,for example, you may be going through a personal issue and you see no way out, but after a while there is...we just have to wait and until then, WHATEVER HAPPENS after that if MJ doesn't come back, then we can decided to leave this hoax behind or not.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: RK on August 17, 2011, 10:31:22 PM
Am I the only one who felt a tinge of panic at the thought this will all end? It is now apparent that I really am an addict.  :-[
It's been the journey that I have loved, a great adventure with all of you guys. An education that is invaluable and unobtainable without actually going the distance and putting in the time. And while I can't wait to see MJ BAM, I am somehow reluctant to think about having to share Michael with the entire world again, because we have been blessed [as I see things] to have had this time and his attentions. But being the easily adaptable girl that I am..........I do love a good party/

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 17, 2011, 10:45:50 PM
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Am I the only one who felt a tinge of panic at the thought this will all end? It is now apparent that I really am an addict.  :-[
It's been the journey that I have loved, a great adventure with all of you guys. An education that is invaluable and unobtainable without actually going the distance and putting in the time. And while I can't wait to see MJ BAM, I am somehow reluctant to think about having to share Michael with the entire world again, because we have been blessed [as I see things] to have had this time and his attentions. But being the easily adaptable girl that I am..........I do love a good party/


No, I get that too sometimes. Addict, indeed. But a good addict. This hoax has really changed my life.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: scorpionchik on August 17, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
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Ok I been thinking about this thing.

Ever since TS said he would support false theories from time to time I've been looking at his posts differently.

When Front posted the NIN thing I remembered the redirect to Year Zero.

So the wheels have been turning and some pieces to the puzzle have fallen into place. I think.

I think TS is the ARG, as in, the side tangents are like little rabbit holes; the FBI involvement, the Illuminati forces, the murder plot foiled and subsequent escape, the Elvis is going to BAM too story... all little ARG style rabbit holes for those who want to get that deep to fall into and follow for entertainment value.

As in... the hoaxers are being hoaxed too. Everyone gets a turn. The media gets hoaxed by the death reports, and then subsequently by the stories "leaked" and dropped all over the place by friends/family. The non-believer fans are being hoaxed 2nd hand by the media reports and then directly by the new album and the "fake" vocals within it. Meanwhile, we, the hoaxers have been hoaxed by the elaborate TS ARG. We think we are smarter then everyone else; but in reality, we are just thinking differently, and so have fallen into our own special, personal rabbit hole of this multi-layer production. TS is hoaxing US.
In other words, we are also a "mark", to borrow a Barnum reference. TS is the hook to capture this mark, the hoaxer.
It's just amazingly fantastical theatric drama, isn't it? Very Hollywood.

Who's ARG, Bec?
 
'Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ.  However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!'
 
Michael better be back before 09/10/2012, a trial date of Katherine Jackson/Children vs. AEG.
 
@Anna gives very good questions to TS, better be answered.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 17, 2011, 11:10:58 PM
@Bec...your last post was very well written...so much so that I am now open to the theory.  I'm still iffy on Front (sorry just IMO) but I, too, believe that TS, Back and Mike are one and the same.  And this entire experience seems to fit the ARG model...from what I've read on it (ARG) so far.

But I'm also one that believes that Mike had some real serious and important reasons for hoaxing his death.  Now, that in itself does not cancel out the possibility of there being an ARG aspect to the hoax.  In fact, this very aspect of the hoax, if it is an ARG...what we 'believers' have been living for 2 years now...may end up being a very important one.  There has to be much more to it than Mike just wanting us to play a 'game' until he returns.  And I'm not saying that's what Bec meant...but I do think that when some of us hear ARG and 'game'...especially in relation to Mike's 'death'...we subconsiously attach ideas of 'manipulation' and 'trickery' to the thought.

So if we accept as 'truth' that this is an ARG...and we extend that acceptance to include that TS is, at the least, a real informer (if not Mike himself)....then the 'man' himself chose it to be an ARG.  And while that theory is very fascinating (as laid out by Bec)...what I find even more fascinating is trying to peer into the master's brain to understand WHY???  Why would Mike include 'it' in his grand plan if it wasn't important?  What was his thought process, when planning out this hoax, that included a need for a group of people (us) to engage in this aspect...adventure...experience?

I know that none of us, other than Mike, know the exact answer(s) to that...but, again, if we believe that TS is closely linked to Mike in some way...then perhaps the answers are already there right in TS' posts and redirects.  I have read all of his posts...several times actually...and in no way do I feel manipulated, or tricked, nor do I feel...based on his posts...that this is all just a 'game'....even if it is an ARG.  In fact, TS has made mention several times that there is a very serious side to this hoax. 

@TS
It truly is really nice to sit on my chair, turn on the computer, log in to this site, and see that you posted.  You're not a 'need'...but you, most definitely, are a 'want'.  You intrigued me from the beginning and I feel that you are 99.9% the real deal...I just feel it.  But should January 1st, 2013 come about and there is no BAM...I want to thank you for leading me down some paths that I may not have come across if you hadn't been here.  Those paths continue to expand my knowledge, have made me more aware and more alert, and have made me a better person.  Funny...that's exactly what Mike has done for me throughout his life....and, perhaps through you, even after his 'death'.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MichaelsAngel on August 17, 2011, 11:11:39 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  party/
This post has made me very excited  penguin/

I really hope that it is sooner than later but I'll take whatever Michael gives me  lolol/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 17, 2011, 11:22:19 PM
@Scorpionchick, Michael's ARG  8-)

@BeTheChange, I don't feel manipulated or tricked either, I feel fortunate to be a part of this. I don't think this is "just" a game. I think it is an epic, life altering experience.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 17, 2011, 11:23:14 PM
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Yes I realize this theory is far out, but it should be clear that in my opinion, the person behind TS is the real deal. I think similarly to others who have stated they believe that Michael Jackson, Study, TS, TS_comments, back and Front are all the same entity. If you start from there as a truth and allow it to direct a flow of theory, it gets very interesting.
Bec, I always love your theorizing, makes me think! And yes I agree, they are one and the same only 'wearing slightly different disguises/different make-up, hair etc.' rr/   People said they could always recognize MJ in his eyes, but I say we can recognize him in his heart/humor/character/personality.  My family continue to say it's some guy punking us all, that there's no way even if MJ's alive, that he himself would actually be talking to this insignificant small group. I used to think that but not anymore.  I think we just have to enjoy while we have him as our guest! ;))
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 17, 2011, 11:41:18 PM
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@BeTheChange, I don't feel manipulated or tricked either, I feel fortunate to be a part of this. I don't think this is "just" a game. I think it is an epic, life altering experience.

I can only speak for myself in saying that I am living proof of that fact...it has already changed my life...even without a BAM.  I owe the Canadian government over 20 grand for an 'education' ...apart from the 12 grand I dished out on my own (and I realize that the cost of education is ridiculously higher in other countries).  This whole experience has given me more tangible knowledge about the world and about myself...than any 'bought' course(s) could have given me.  And a lot of that is thanks to TS.

~Life is a journey, not a destination~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
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Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 18, 2011, 12:42:13 AM
My husband is mocking me all the time and telling me the dead one doesn't come back from his grave and I should better not waste my time anymore. But he was the one who first said  after June 25 "what a circus, and maybe he is not even dead" and he was the one who told me what was written at the memorial "I'm alive and I'm here forever" and now he's making fun of me.

I guess I understand him, it's been so long and Michael Jackson is still dead BTW.

You guys to tell you the truth I don't know what to believe.
For a long time I was on the official site where I shared a hoax thread with some friends until we had to leave because they were deleting us all the time and we were not allowed to discuss the hoax there.

But during my stay on that forum at some point - I might be crazy - but at some point me and my friends started to "feel" that Michael was reading us. Of course I was very skeptical about that but I couldn't I shake off that feeling. I mean the logic says NO, it is not possible, but something above the logic just tells you that that "miracle" can really happen. I just don't know if to trust my feelings or my logic.

The same here, with TS first. I thought he was Michael from the beginning, or that his messages came from Michael. But then I started to doubt, thinking MJ would not waste his time for a bunch of crazy fans. I just can not believe that we could be so close to the biggest star in the whole world, I just can not believe it....maybe it is his fame that blinds me, I don't know, but it's like touching the star you always wanted to reach. To blow a virtual kiss to Michael Jackson and he to actually be able to see it and smile, could this be really true?

Then you guys broght Back to light and of course I was on my way to MJJC to see it with my own eyes. Back wasn't there anymore but I was fascinated about his posts and I thought he was Michael.

Then Front came and I thought he was Back, he had to be Back, it is not easy to mitate Back's style, so Front had to be Back.

At least one thing became clear to me on August 11 : that TS and Front are one the same. They didn't deny each other and they never spoke about each other but they kind of validated each other with the August 11 post of TS and the cake/pie thing. So to me TS and Front are one and the same, this meaning TS is also Back.

And all that Bible stuff that Back and TS seem to share is one more proof that they could be the same person.

The bad thing is that I can not be 100% of my guesses.......so I live in a state of excitement but indecision all the time, like I can not really believe my beloved/adored/worshiped  Michael is indeed with us...even if I feel he is with us....I just can not believe it bow/

ps. :I am sorry for my english, I realize :I may sound funny many times with my mistakes, those who are english native speakers probably have a very good time reading the others :lol:


Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PinkTopaz on August 18, 2011, 01:03:43 AM
Hey, gals.. and TS, heh-heh. Anna, I hope you gain some positivity soon 'cause you sure seem miserable, and Gina, your English is pretty darn good for a non-native speaker! (I am so terrible at other languages)

Wish I could hang out here more, but before I go, TS, can you answer this: What exactly is the point of dragging Gene Simmons into this "tribute" thing?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Starchild on August 18, 2011, 01:20:07 AM
Gina, your English is fine.  This is beautiful:

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The same here, with TS first. I thought he was Michael from the beginning, or that his messages came from Michael. But then I started to doubt, thinking MJ would not waste his time for a bunch of crazy fans. I just can not believe that we could be so close to the biggest star in the whole world, I just can not believe it....maybe it is his fame that blinds me, I don't know, but it's like touching the star you always wanted to reach. To blow a virtual kiss to Michael Jackson and he to actually be able to see it and smile, could this be really true?



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But during my stay on that forum at some point - I might be crazy - but at some point me and my friends started to "feel" that Michael was reading us. Of course I was very skeptical about that but I couldn't I shake off that feeling. I mean the logic says NO, it is not possible, but something above the logic just tells you that that "miracle" can really happen. I just don't know if to trust my feelings or my logic.
And in my experience, that gut instinct never lies.  Nothing crazy about it. :)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 18, 2011, 01:35:51 AM
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I guess I understand him, it's been so long and Michael Jackson is still dead BTW.

You guys to tell you the truth I don't know what to believe.

Gina, just in case you're serious-- enjoy the ride, enjoy the many MJ "moments", embrace what your heart is telling you! The scoffers aren't having any fun. You can always go crazy, wail and throw things on Jan. 1, 2013. (That'll probably be me...) TS, Back and Front have faithfully stayed with us--being our true friend and guide through thick and thin. Who else would do that? MJ would not let us down--we have so many testimonies of people who knew/know him to be faithful. Plus I'm sure it means a lot to him that we believe in him too! I'm glad you're here, you add so much pizzazz!
 
There's nothing wrong with your English. I envy those who can fluently speak more than one language!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MichaelsAngel on August 18, 2011, 02:52:57 AM
I don't think it's that impossible for Michael to be here with us. This may be a small forum but to me it is very popular. When I had a gut feeling that something was wrong about Michael's death, I just kept it to myself because I thought I had to be crazy. Well one day I just thought I'd google it and see what other people think and this was the first forum that popped up. I read for a long time before I ever registered because I wanted to be sure that I beLIEved and I didn't want to get too involved just to have my heart ripped out later. I don't know why because I feel this connection to Michael, not like I'm an obsessive fan, but that he is so genuine and beautiful a person you just can't help but want him to protect him.

I believe that TS is real. We can't blame him for things not happening like we think they should on the dates that he mentioned. I'm sure some plans had to change and I'm sure we haven't figured everything out. If it turns out that he is fake and so are back and front then so be I made a mistake and I'll learn from it.

You all are very wise and even though I haven't been here for long, I want to thank you guys for
making this a great experience. So I can definitely see Michael loving it here as well.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MissG on August 18, 2011, 06:48:46 AM
Looks like I am one of the few who don´t think that MJ is reading here  :-[ and by that rule, I don´t think that any member here is Michael. This is not to be bullying anyone.
People are free to think what they want.

Other members are being bullied for real and few people care. Let´s be fair here.

Nobody is being unpolite so far. Are we all supossed to agree like sheeps? as long as words are used respectfully, I don´t see the problem.

@TS, I read your posts (as I do with every person of the forum) because I see that you take time to link your theories and share them with us, so you are asking as well for input and participation, and i guess that agreeing or not with those theories of yours  is not the important issue here  ;) ...otherwise, where is the debate?


Back to topic, my question.

Would it matter Michael coming back? what for?

After he died his legacy is back on track, his records are being number 1 again, his kids are being more respected as well as his memory and his finances look getting in to shape legally. Business are being taken care of.

I only see him coming back to light once forever his "image" as a child molester is cleared and for that to happen I believe that Chandler must get public and confess the truth.

There is still a lot of hate out there, and being proved innocent was not enough for some.



Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: diggyon on August 18, 2011, 07:11:42 AM
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I guess I understand him, it's been so long and Michael Jackson is still dead BTW.

You guys to tell you the truth I don't know what to believe.

Gina, just in case you're serious-- enjoy the ride, enjoy the many MJ "moments", embrace what your heart is telling you! The scoffers aren't having any fun. You can always go crazy, wail and throw things on Jan. 1, 2013. (That'll probably be me...) TS, Back and Front have faithfully stayed with us--being our true friend and guide through thick and thin. Who else would do that? MJ would not let us down--we have so many testimonies of people who knew/know him to be faithful. Plus I'm sure it means a lot to him that we believe in him too! I'm glad you're here, you add so much pizzazz!
 
There's nothing wrong with your English. I envy those who can fluently speak more than one language!
I totally agree. Michael will never let us down. And without TS's guide we would have lost the way a long time ago. He plays a very important role in that hoax as we all can see. All we have to is be patient and enjoy the hoax.
Blessings
diggyon
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: diggyon on August 18, 2011, 07:27:11 AM
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I don't think it's that impossible for Michael to be here with us. This may be a small forum but to me it is very popular. When I had a gut feeling that something was wrong about Michael's death, I just kept it to myself because I thought I had to be crazy. Well one day I just thought I'd google it and see what other people think and this was the first forum that popped up. I read for a long time before I ever registered because I wanted to be sure that I beLIEved and I didn't want to get too involved just to have my heart ripped out later. I don't know why because I feel this connection to Michael, not like I'm an obsessive fan, but that he is so genuine and beautiful a person you just can't help but want him to protect him.

I believe that TS is real. We can't blame him for things not happening like we think they should on the dates that he mentioned. I'm sure some plans had to change and I'm sure we haven't figured everything out. If it turns out that he is fake and so are back and front then so be I made a mistake and I'll learn from it.

You all are very wise and even though I haven't been here for long, I want to thank you guys for
making this a great experience. So I can definitely see Michael loving it here as well.
Welcom MichaelsAngel to the forum. I always wondered how the newbies really feel about the forum. Some of us have are hon the forum for 2 years now. 2 years ago people were not believing the Michael hoaxed his death - in other words : they didn't want to believe although the clues were soooo obvious to every one. But now things are different!!! There are so many videos on youtube about Michaels hoax, about Michael being alive, Michaels Message to the world, Michaels warnings .... so I believe we have now more people who who believe that Michael is still alive but don't know about our forum. I guess it's easier to convince the people through these videos now because two years ago people were so shocked by his death.
I hope you enjoy it here with us and keep the faith.
Blessings
diggyon
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 18, 2011, 08:09:04 AM
Away for 24 hours and I've come back to a fantastic mixed bunch of posts on this thread. Thanks everyone for taking the time to articulate your feelings.

All I want to say is that from the outset, (with a few, ok a lot of deviations along the way!) my basic overiding feeling, that I always come back to, is that this is 'the best' that MJ promised us again and again was 'yet to come'.  When I break everything down and look at that as the fundamental truth, the big picture, then I am surely only spoiling it for myself if and when I become impatient, and want the end - NOW!

I'm feeling now like I owe it to myself, and Michael to keep watching and enjoying this mega production and all it's many and varied characters and situations.  After all, it spoils a movie or a good book if you skip to the end to see what happens, or indeed if you only come in at the end! I'm sure watching the credits roll on this one will be an epic adventure in itself!!

And to the person, I'm sorry I forget who it was, who said something along the lines us us being happy to have MJ here as our guest, I actually think it's the other way round!  Remember Ghosts?

Maestro: "Are we going somewhere? Hello! It's too late, you're my guests! And by the way, did I tell you I wasn't alone? Meet the family!"

[Oh and I'll admit I watched Ghosts the first time all the way through to the credits before I realised the mayor had been MJ all along!  Maybe I should learn something from this and be once bitten, twice shy!!  Hello, TS!!!!]
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: diggyon on August 18, 2011, 09:20:14 AM
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And to the person, I'm sorry I forget who it was, who said something along the lines us us being happy to have MJ here as our guest, I actually think it's the other way round!  Remember Ghosts?

Maestro: "Are we going somewhere? Hello! It's too late, you're my guests! And by the way, did I tell you I wasn't alone? Meet the family!"



If that's so, then I am glad to be Michael's guest :)

I wonder what he is preparing for us!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I guess we are all entertained, aren't we?!?!?!    party/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Andrea on August 18, 2011, 09:39:23 AM
TS, thank you for your post.  It's good to know that there is a deadline for the BAM and I do believe you.  I follow TIAI voluntarily so if January 1, 2013 rolls around and no MJ, I'll only have myself to blame when the utter disappointment hits me.  But I have faith he'll be back before then, even before you gave the "it'll-happen-before-this-date" timeline.  I'm still holding out hope for this year, I honestly never thought it would be 2012 but it is what it is, which is Michael's hoax and his timeline so I'll go with it as I have been.  And it won't be the end of the hoax, it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 18, 2011, 09:44:41 AM
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And it won't be the end of the hoax, it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet.

I think the same Andrea!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: fordtocarr on August 18, 2011, 10:23:58 AM
There are a few questions on here I've seen presented. 
What purpose would it serve for Michael to ever return?  He hated to tour...he hated no privacy.  And whatever reasons to hoax originally.  Plus, yes, he's actually recovered his "name" and finances being gone. 
Also, where does the trial fit into all this bam stuff if it could possibly...POSSIBLY, not be until the end of next year?
And...REALLY, Gene Simmons and KISS must be a clue because it simply does not make any sense to have included them otherwise.  Why not as Sneddon's team?  Really, what does that mean?
What does giving a bam date or "hope" give other than give hope or keep us holding on?  I believe because my heart told me to long long ago, and being here only gave me proof of my heart feelings. 
Questions!!  Then make me crazy.  I've learned to step back and not live with the adrenaline buzz I get on here..which also, usually leads to depression on no new news or a comeback yet.  I'm learning to just wait it out.  WHEN he return, I'll be back in heaven with you all and Michael.  But, til then, I'm really so sick of questioning....

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 18, 2011, 10:39:31 AM
@fordtocarr, to do what Michael always tried to do; shock the world.

No one has ever done this before... faked their death, fooled everyone, and then come back. It's totally up his alley to pull this off.

Besides... where's he gonna hide for the rest of his life?

Also... what would be the point of including Murray's character in this fiasco if he never intended to come back? Why die of such a self-depreciating thing? You think he would leave his children to publicly bear that burden forever? Kids of a drug addicted, self destructive, washed up, has-been, accused child molester? If he wanted out, I would expect his "death" to be routine and vanilla pudding; a massive heart attack in his sleep, alone, at home. There's no point in involving a 2nd party who could be implicated in your "death" if you simply want to slip quietly away... much less drumming up a bunch of pre-death hoopla by creating an ill-fated concert series who's organizers are also suspect in working you to death because you're too frail and emaciated to finish what you started.

The only logical end to this is a reveal and comeback.

The alternative is everything they say on the news is true... and we all know that is impossible.


Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 18, 2011, 10:42:45 AM
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There are a few questions on here I've seen presented. 
What purpose would it serve for Michael to ever return?  He hated to tour...he hated no privacy. 



But he loved to WIN......that's why.

OK this is just my perception, it could be false.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: RK on August 18, 2011, 11:54:43 AM
MY understanding.....The purpose is to turn 666 into 999
and wake the world up that a one world government, universal monetary system and  universal religion are imminent and when we, the shocked into alertness masses unite, we can make a stand and turn this unholy pyramid of power off it's base and upend this elitist NWO plan. But it's going to take something really major, oh say, like Michael BAMMING to get the world population's attention to cause this ground swell of ever growing awareness and activity to hit that monster right in it's all seeing eye. Take that illuminati....BAM!!!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Terror2k10 on August 18, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
Hello to everyone. Just wanted to reply to TS and say thank you for giving us a timeline. August 11 2011 was 777 days since June 25 2009. I agree with TS when he says it is not a coincidence that most of the family is involved in the tribute,But all I got to say is on what platform would it be better to shock the world but with a tribute like this on ppv-and at movie theatres and for the people that are there live what a treat. "Gotta be there" is what is posted on the web page. I feel this is the perfect platform for the whole world to be stunned just like MJ wants and its understandable that we who have a idea of whats going on are being played with as well because he does not want to spoil it completely for us as well. He wants us to still be shocked when it does happen. I am not saying it is for sure a bam will happen at "Cardiff" Whales. Just that it may be the best platform to pull off the greatest hoax ever. Another thing whos to say anything that we may have ever known about Michael may have been a hoax. Everything we ever knew about Michael was told to us through the media and we all know they know nothing. Maybe Mj showed them what he wanted them to see and know and it was passed to us. Maybe we will meet the man we never really ever known. October 8th is 835 days since June 25th and that equals 8+3+5=16 of course 1=6= 7 again. God bless you Ts and cant wait till the truth prevails. God bless everyone.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: marisjm on August 18, 2011, 01:57:40 PM
I would like to thank TS for a timeline also.  I don't post very often because I don't have the way with words some of you do.  I don't have the scientific minds some of you do (which just amaze me by the way), with all the the numbers.  I am a watcher, run by emotions, and the faith I have in my heart.  I will say this though, I have been a Michael Jackson fan since I was a child.  While I have always admired him, love his music and really love what he has tried to do for the world.....I really never "new" him until the past couple of years.  I have read so much, and learned so much that I realized I only had seen the tip of the iceberg.  What will it mean for me when Michael is known to be alive.....all will be right with my world and the traveler will be home from the sea. 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 18, 2011, 11:12:41 PM
I’ve been thinking about this ARG theory...more and more (something in Bec's post yesterday 'clicked' with me).  I’d given it some thought in the past, especially after some of TS’ redirects...but I didn’t spend too much time researching the concept.  I’m still a long way away from being anywhere near qualified on the topic...but from what I’ve researched so far, it’s most definitely something that I could see Mike dabbling with and tailoring it to achieve (his) maximum desired results.  When it comes to Mike...you just know it’s gonna be ‘new’ and/or ‘improved’.

The difficulty I have is understanding what those desired results were, in his mind....cause if I understood it, then I could act on it.  My ‘gut’ tells me to just be patient and trust that Mike knows what he’s doing and he (most likely through TS) will lead us to the truth. 

But whether or not it is an ARG, the fact is that we (the ‘believers’) are just one aspect of his grand plan...and we may very well be the ‘ARG aspect’.  But why???  What did Mike hope to achieve with this ‘part’ of the hoax?  In essence, why are we here...why did Mike make sure that we’d be here?  Has this journey, experience, adventure...as a believer...been a gift “for the fans”? Or has it been a sharpening/shifting/focusing of consciousness of a group of people for a higher purpose?  I think it’s both.   

I thank you, Mike, for the former...and I’m more ready than ever for the latter.  “On Michael’s command, we begin”.   I have a feeling it won't be long before we're called to duty....are you ready?

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 19, 2011, 12:18:00 AM
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I’ve been thinking about this ARG theory...more and more (something in Bec's post yesterday 'clicked' with me).  I’d given it some thought in the past, especially after some of TS’ redirects...but I didn’t spend too much time researching the concept.  I’m still a long way away from being anywhere near qualified on the topic...but from what I’ve researched so far, it’s most definitely something that I could see Mike dabbling with and tailoring it to achieve (his) maximum desired results.  When it comes to Mike...you just know it’s gonna be ‘new’ and/or ‘improved’.

The difficulty I have is understanding what those desired results were, in his mind....cause if I understood it, then I could act on it.  My ‘gut’ tells me to just be patient and trust that Mike knows what he’s doing and he (most likely through TS) will lead us to the truth. 

But whether or not it is an ARG, the fact is that we (the ‘believers’) are just one aspect of his grand plan...and we may very well be the ‘ARG aspect’.  But why???  What did Mike hope to achieve with this ‘part’ of the hoax?  In essence, why are we here...why did Mike make sure that we’d be here?  Has this journey, experience, adventure...as a believer...been a gift “for the fans”? Or has it been a sharpening/shifting/focusing of consciousness of a group of people for a higher purpose?  I think it’s both.   

I thank you, Mike, for the former...and I’m more ready than ever for the latter.  “On Michael’s command, we begin”.   I have a feeling it won't be long before we're called to duty....are you ready?

With L.O.V.E. always.


Those are very profound thoughts and I think similarly.

"For The Fans", with love, he's teaching his fans who lost their way a lesson, simply by not being dead; The Sting?

In essence, we are learning the easy way; the non-believer (hoax and TS) fans are in for a rude awakening by contrast. They failed to pass the test. They didn't see the truth, they fell for the lies while they were sleeping. Will the rest of the world follow and become awakened? That remains to be seen.

As far as your question, if we have been called for a higher purpose, am I ready? My answer is I hope so.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 19, 2011, 12:51:21 AM
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And it won't be the end of the hoax, it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet.

I think the same Andrea!
Yes, and it's on a scale of complexity we can't fathom. The bigger the lie, the more believable it gets. It's like God has His finger on thousands of greedy evil people and incorporating their plans and actions like threads on a tapestry, into the main story, which is the triumph, vindication , and realization of the creative genius of Michael Jackson as he gives out his love.  OR the web of evil and greed is unstoppable, and Michael is dead or in hiding forever (NOT!).
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 19, 2011, 02:14:58 AM
I have nothing to say except that you guys have a wild and rich imagination and I love you Michael bearhug.

Imagination is good, Einstein said it :mrgreen:.

If what was said on this forum in the last 2 years will come true - I think not only the world will be SHOCKED, but we will be shocked as well, even if we sort of have passed the training stages.


Love you Michael bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Thetimehascome on August 19, 2011, 03:08:34 AM
Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: onthewingsoflove on August 19, 2011, 03:18:51 AM
 
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    People said they could always recognize MJ in his eyes, but I say we can recognize him in his heart/humor/character/personality.
 
And also his love for God!  Which could clearly be seen in his writings here. I agree, with Bec that Michael is the real person behind TS. I've believed it ever since he responded to those who questioned how he knew so much, with the eye opening response, "You wouldn't believe me if I told you."Once again, a dead give away!  I've believed this also because of the knowledge he possessed and displayed, and because he spoke in the third person narration when referring to TS.

 From the time God instructed me to pray for Michael in September of 2009 until today, I must admit that it's been an amazing journey! And as Souza said in another post, we really are blessed to have been a part of it! Even though he has been absent to the world, he has been present with us!


Yes I look forward to Bam's Day with great expectations of seeing God's continued hand in Michael's life, and for no other reason! After the Bam, stay tuned, the best is yet to come! I'll stake my life on that!

 
[blink]Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima,[/blink] Blessings, my friends! [/font]

OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: onthewingsoflove on August 19, 2011, 03:28:36 AM
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  "...it'll be the beginning of something else, something of a magnitude I can't even comprehend yet."

You don't know how right you are!!!!!! 

Stay Blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Starchild on August 19, 2011, 05:49:37 AM
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Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........


Interesting.  Something to think about.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sandythyme on August 19, 2011, 06:06:38 AM
What a lot of great thoughts!  I do believe that Michael will shock the world, he is in to that.  By shocking the world, he will be making a "huge" statement. A statement of justice.  He I am sure wants us to be surprised as well.  Also from the very beginning, I truely believe we are being educated for a reason and reason is to help educate people about Michael and our world.  Take care, Love to All  bearhug 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 19, 2011, 07:56:24 AM
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Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........

I know where you are going, but I strongly disagree. TS has motivated and informed, but in no way has he controlled my beliefs. What I believe and have been believing since June 25, 2009, is that Michael Jackson is alive and will come back. No TS, no family member or forum member will make me believe otherwise. I was convinced of that way before TS surfaced. All TS has done was give information on why and he even made many doubt so much that they quit the hoax. Manipulation is making someone believe something without backing it up, hence why such a person needs manipulation to make him- or herself believable. That is in no way what TS has done. And yes, I would have closed this site if it weren't for TS, but that's only because of his support, not because he convinced me that Michael Jackson is still alive and will return.

If TS would have registered on here, claiming to be MJ or one of his close family members, telling us we should believe him that MJ is alive and will be back, simply because he is MJ or a family member, without backing up his claims, he would have manipulated us and our beliefs. But he didn't. He provided us with information, facts and pointed out some things we might have missed but were clearly there all the time and most important: he NEVER claimed to be anyone or told us we should believe him. He even challenged us and told us NOT to believe anything he said, but think for ourselves and verify his information.

So I have no idea why you want to imply this, most certainly not since this is your first and only post. If this means we will a new "TS is a fraud" round, then hit me with your arguments. Because accusing someone of manipulation and controlling even if hidden in a text like yours, means you have to prove your point. Same as Sneddon had to prove MJ was a child molester and we all know that he was a big FAIL since he had no proof, that is why he manipulated the public with false allegations.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 19, 2011, 08:25:12 AM
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Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........



 
 
 
 TS provided information with backing and before he or she begin to write in this forum here already have a large amount of information published not by TS, by all members of this forum to be put in doubt the death of MJ. Any time i do not have agreed with TS and as well i have expressed.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 19, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
Souza I really hope you weren't 100% serious when you said you would have closed this site if it weren't for TS :cry:.

@thetimehascome   I don't think we can be manipulated so easy, not even by TS.
I know we maybe seem from the outside that we "worship" TS and his opinions but in fact this is not true. We only value  the info he gives because it makes SENSE and has a logic, even if an unusual kind of logic

And it makes me feel more comfortable and have a littel hope....much better than nothing.



Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 19, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
This thread just gets more and more interesting to me.  The ARG aspect has always been a factor in the back of my mind. It just seems so Michaelish.....missed seeing that word : )
If in fact, if this experience proves to be an ARG, it would mean there is no hoax...never was a hoax. Technically speaking the "death" was just a trailhead or starting point for the game.  Take a good look at the basic Wiki for an ARG...you will see some very familiar terms...the more you read, the more you will re-think its possibility:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)


Also found this interesting site:


http://gracemj.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/michael-jacksons-death-hoax-could-this-be-an-arg/ (http://gracemj.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/michael-jacksons-death-hoax-could-this-be-an-arg/)


I don't know what we are in.  All I know, is that June 25, 2009 changed my life forever.  Never in million years would I have thought I'd be online with a community such as this.  My heart, mind and body have been tattered and torn through this.....happily so, I might add.  I put myself through thousands of thought-processes.....like I am sure so many here have as well.  We think, therefore we are. 
If 2012 will be a year of change to the world....for better or worse, perhaps Michael wanted us to experience the fore years leading up to it in a whole new way.  I posted about the words "four" and "fore" a while back.  The fore years of 2012 are literally the years leading up to it......the years before.  Anyways, getting back to an ARG.  I do think it's very possible this whole experience might prove to be just that.  It certainly feels like it at times.  I have to wonder if Michael's hardcore fans are: 1) in on it some way...through upper ranks of fans clubs etc 2) totally oblivious to the possibility 3) being excluded somehow intentionally.  I just think it's odd how they get so bent out of shape at the thought he might still be alive.
If this is an ARG, that also means Michael is here for sure.  I would think he'd be watching his masterpiece very close.  In that case, Michael, you definitely owe me a Coke.....actually, I owe you a Coke....for all the times you have made me smile. 
In any case, the adventure continues................


LOVE and blessings to all........
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: jadz29858 on August 19, 2011, 09:59:19 AM
Ok I've been following Michael's dissappearance for 2 years and since Cirque Du Soleil and MJ estates backing the Immortal show just proves to me that Mhichael will make a comeback and he knows whats going on.I always believed that Michael needs time to get it right and like he said"we have 4 years to get it right" so that brings us to 2013!!! and I believe that the key to unlock the treasure is in Crique Du Soleil! For one thing MJ Estate have a 50% stake in it what a geunis business move only Micheal could of thought of that one. Not only it opens near the same time as the Michael Forever Tribute(if it goes ahead) but its permanent base is Las Vegas in 2013.That was also a home to Michael for many years and doesn't Joe Jackson live there? Also at the moment isn't nearly everyone that was in "This Is It" and whom has worked with MJ in the pass  just to name afew Travis Payne, Suger foot Morffit, and not to mention Michael's master vocal tracking.So you see Michael promised us "a great adventure" and for the last 2 years it has been a "great adventure" and I think that the next 2 years will be a greater adventure with "the best is yet to come". So don't give up and keep "dancing the dream" because the dream continues, and there will be a light at the end.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 19, 2011, 10:00:33 AM
Well yes, from the beggining this looked like an interactive "movie".

Even if it is not an ARG, it certainly looks like it is.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sigh on August 19, 2011, 10:12:14 AM
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@fordtocarr, to do what Michael always tried to do; shock the world.

No one has ever done this before... faked their death, fooled everyone, and then come back. It's totally up his alley to pull this off.

Besides... where's he gonna hide for the rest of his life?

Also... what would be the point of including Murray's character in this fiasco if he never intended to come back? Why die of such a self-depreciating thing? You think he would leave his children to publicly bear that burden forever? Kids of a drug addicted, self destructive, washed up, has-been, accused child molester? If he wanted out, I would expect his "death" to be routine and vanilla pudding; a massive heart attack in his sleep, alone, at home. There's no point in involving a 2nd party who could be implicated in your "death" if you simply want to slip quietly away... much less drumming up a bunch of pre-death hoopla by creating an ill-fated concert series who's organizers are also suspect in working you to death because you're too frail and emaciated to finish what you started.

The only logical end to this is a reveal and comeback.

The alternative is everything they say on the news is true... and we all know that is impossible.




Oh God, thank you bec for speaking my mind !  bow/ I agree with everything you said !

I don't know why he did it, but I know that hoax without return it's so not Michael. I don't believe that Elvis faked his death, but I think that Michael was inspired by the myth surrounding Elvis's life and death and took it to the next level. ANOTHER level must be coming back !
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Its her on August 19, 2011, 10:37:18 AM
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...Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues...



Welcome, Thetimehascome.  You're right; some things still do not make sense and it IS by design---there is a very much alive, Madman at the helm!   afraid/ But, either we are starved for twisted mysteries, or he is very irresistible, or both. :mrgreen:   bearhug
And, there seems to be method to the madness, so, it'll all make sense, in Time.

I just want to set your mind at ease about your thoughts, above. Reality is whatever the individual wishes to make it, (regardless of what is True, many times). The truth is, there is  a reason for everything.

Nothing just happens, where intelligent beings exist. NOTHING.

Some one changed some  thing, some where in the chain of events. People die for lack of knowledge--something they just didn't know in time . :cry: 

People don't find themselves pregnant, that seed doesn't just fall in fertile ground despite gravity; it must be put there on purpose.

50 year marriages end because one or both parties stopped doing kindness for the other, maybe after a serious disagreement or just from lack of the will  to care. These things are in our  hands, not Fate's.

With regard to "chance", people win the lottery  because it is Time, and they, expecting it--not  hoping, & are ready to DO their belief. It's about opportunity seized, not wishing.This is why some people win over and over, on a couple of tickets and others spend their rent money hoping & dreaming without result.

I don't know everything, but it is my observation that people who are inner directed, fair better in life than those who are chasing every new opinion or theory or doctrine or rumor. There is nothing new under this sun. It just may be new to us, as we learn and grow here, on our home planet. I just wanted to say that we are not at the mercy of ANYthing here, unless we are ignorant. And, even that is not all bad, because even if we  don't know something, SOMEone we know DOES.  :geek: We need each other, and we need to be good to each other, so knowledge isn't blocked by foul emotions breaking communication.

bearhug
The "circle continues" because...  ???/ people don't take steps to respect and learn from HISTORY...perhaps one thing MJ, through the ARG is hoping to accomplish. 

Just my two cents.
albino/ afraid/  (I hope this post works :roll: ) Ok, back to topic.    :)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 19, 2011, 10:39:04 AM
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Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........



Welcome to the forum Thetimehascome...hope you enjoy your stay :)
 
Very interesting first post! I enjoy reading different perspectives on things because they either re-inforce my own beliefs or they cause a little ripple or crack in my 'foundation'....which then causes me to re-evalute what I believe to be truth.  And, your perspective is what you have shared with us...nothing more, nothing less.
 
"And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned."
 
Another perspective is that nothing happens without a reason and/or purpose.  This perspective can imagine a higher power, which is further enforced by a plethora of things that point to a 'grand design'...and a 'grand designer'. 
 
I've often struggled with the two different ways of looking at life...but the more I read, watch, listen, and remain 'awake'...I realize that my struggle is not because I feel that "sometimes there is no reason"...it's because I can't understand the reason and really wish I did. 
 
As for the hoax...you either believe Mike is alive or not.  If you believe he's alive, then you either believe he's controlling the 'show' or he's not.  If he's controlling the show, then A LOT of what we see, read, hear, and even discuss, is controlled by Mike.  If he's not in control of a lot of it, then who is?  And for what purpose?  For TS to have basically written a book about the hoax...with all the time, effort, and desire it took him to do it...do you honestly believe he has no 'reason' for having done it?  The question then becomes...are his 'reasons' or 'motives' sincere or sinister...positive or negative...empowering or oppressing...good or evil. 
 
We each have to come to that conclusion on our own but the ONLY way that anyone can reach a valid conclusion, is to actually READ all of TS' posts...as objectively as possible.  And yes...there's a lot to read and I understand that sometimes 'life' doesn't allow us to spend as much time here as we'd like.  But to reach a conclusion about TS, or about anything really, not having fully researched the subject....is a conclusion shrouded in ignorance.
 
Based on my research of TS' and his message(s)...I have concluded that there most definitely IS a reason behind it all...I just don't understand the reason(s)...yet.  More importantly, though, while I may not know or understand the reason(s)....I overwhelming believe that whatever TS' reasons are for doing what he has done and continues to do...the results have included increased knowledge about the world, and about ourselves...and, in many cases, have made people change for the better.   But again, that's just my perspective, based on my research....but, of course, I could be wrong.  Although, if I am wrong and TS' reasons and/or motives have been sinister from the beginning...then he is the one who has failed in his quest and I'm the better for it.
 
To everything there is a season,
a time for every purpose under the sun.
A time to be born and a time to die;
a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
a time to kill and a time to heal ...
a time to weep and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn and a time to dance ...
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;
a time to lose and a time to seek;
a time to rend and a time to sew;
a time to keep silent and a time to speak;
a time to love and a time to hate;
a time for war and a time for peace.
 
ecclesiastes 3:1-8
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 19, 2011, 11:05:44 AM
WOW... so many great posts I don't know where to start, so I will say Bec, Souza, OnTheWingsofLove, & BeTheChange you hit on everything in my heart.  :!:
Thank you for stating so eloquently all those thoughts running through my head & heart that I could not.  respect/ Time is not my friend, and lately neither is my computer! crash/ lolol/
In the last few weeks I have been overwhelmed with family crisis that seem never ending... Just when all was FINALLY right with the world.  :? Guess that means I must be doing something right since I've been a prime target lately & the Spiritual warfare has been fierce. My hearts cry at this point is; Stop the world, I want to get off!  :cry: God help me; sometimes I think I might go insane. But, onward I go. Thank you TS for everything you've done on this forum. I have no doubts concerning you & or your part in this.

LOVE to all...TGIF  bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sigh on August 19, 2011, 11:07:26 AM
Reasons - I think Michael has good reasons ... I'm not sure about TS's.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: LunaCielo on August 19, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
TS :.....([blink]could be this year or next), [/blink]  


...Does not mean that it is precisely in 2012 .... but also in
2011!  ::P
.... Good and important reasons  are behind  at the choice of Michael :  we know it  well by now. Only he knows when and how and whether to return.  moonwalk_/
. .. surely this post is a source of great emotion because TS  it makes us a "gift" for all of us that are still here
 bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 19, 2011, 05:23:18 PM
 what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "

If they will pay ... it would be fraud!

and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Starchild on August 19, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
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Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........



Interesting.  Something to think about.


Hi, Thetimehascome,             

(Had to leave for work earlier, but had some time now to add on to my earlier post above.)
               

Before getting involved with the MJ death hoax, I, for one, had never heard of such a thing as an Alternate Reality Game (ARG), and consequently, upon joining this forum, I took a similar stance as you regarding TS.
                     

The ARG concept has now been significantly mentioned on the forum.  However, again, for those unfamiliar with the particulars of an ARG and thinking in terms of the MJ death hoax as being one, TS seems to play the role of a “puppetmaster” (and interestingly, according to ARG “rules,” there can be more than one puppetmaster [persons or personas]—e.g., perhaps Front, Back, TS, and so on):

Quote
Among the terms essential to understand discussions about [ARGs] are:
 
  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
                   
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.   
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
     
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts. 
       
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game doesn't behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: scary4youbaby on August 19, 2011, 05:53:10 PM
Quote
  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!

So....... ???/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on August 19, 2011, 08:50:38 PM
Well who knows. One thing from all his or her  posts he/ she  has written, he / she is very intelligent, person. He / she knows what she is saying. It does not mean he is an informer, who knows Michael, or his family, we shall wait and see, what happens. blessings.  
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: onthewingsoflove on August 20, 2011, 01:19:51 AM
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In the last few weeks I have been overwhelmed with family crisis that seem never ending... Just when all was FINALLY right with the world.  :? Guess that means I must be doing something right since I've been a prime target lately & the Spiritual warfare has been fierce. My hearts cry at this point is; Stop the world, I want to get off!  :cry: God help me; sometimes I think I might go insane. But, onward I go. Thank you TS for everything you've done on this forum. I have no doubts concerning you & or your part in this.

Hello dear sister, it's been a while since our last communication. I just want to remind you that you are not going through alone, the Lord is in it with you! "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Remember the battle is not yours but the Lord's!
Just know that I am your prayer partner at a distance and I am standing in the gap for you because "where two or three would agree as touching any one thing it shall be done by the Father!" I'm standing in agreement with you because "two are better than one!" I'm standing with you and for you because it is my Christian duty!Finally my sister, "Be strong in the Lord and the strength of His might!"

You are "Blessed of the Lord!"
OnTheWingsOfLove

p.s. Email me if you feel the need!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 20, 2011, 02:05:26 AM
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what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "

If they will pay ... it would be fraud!

and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
please its really important for me!!
TS....! :roll:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 20, 2011, 02:29:41 AM
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The ARG concept has now been significantly mentioned on the forum.  However, again, for those unfamiliar with the particulars of an ARG and thinking in terms of the MJ death hoax as being one, TS seems to play the role of a “puppetmaster” (and interestingly, according to ARG “rules,” there can be more than one puppetmaster [persons or personas]—e.g., perhaps Front, Back, TS, and so on):

Quote
Among the terms essential to understand discussions about [ARGs] are:
 
  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
                   
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.   
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
     
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts. 
       
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game doesn't behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game))

Thanks for that Starchild. Here's a bit more from that Wiki article that I found interesting:

Basic design principles of ARGs

ARGs are sometimes described as the first narrative art form native to the internet, because their storytelling relies on the two main activities conducted there: searching for information, and sharing information.

    * Storytelling as archaeology. Instead of presenting a chronologically unified, coherent narrative, designers scatter pieces of the story across the Internet and other media, allowing players to reassemble it, supply connective tissue and determine what it means.
    * Platformless narrative. Stories are not bound to a single medium, but exist independently and use whatever media is available to make itself heard.
    * Designing for a hive mind. While it might be possible to follow games individually, designs are directed at a collective of players that share information and solutions almost instantly, and incorporate individuals possessing almost every conceivable area of expertise. While games might initially attract a small group of participants, as the participants come across new challenges they try to find others with the knowledge needed to overcome an obstacle.
    * A whisper is sometimes louder than a shout. Rather than openly promoting games and trying to attract participation by "pushing" it toward potential players, designers attempt to "pull" players to the story by engaging in over-the-top secrecy, have elements of the game "warn" players away from them, and eschew traditional marketing channels. Designers do not communicate about the game with players or press while it is in play.
    * The "this is not a game" (TINAG) aesthetic. ARGs themselves do not acknowledge that they are games. They do not have an acknowledged ruleset for players; as in real-life, they determine the "rules" either through trial and error or by setting their own boundaries. Narratives present a fully-realized world: any phone number or email address mentioned works, and any website acknowledged exists. Games take place in real-time and are not replayable. Characters function like real people, not game pieces, respond authentically, and are controlled by real people, not by computer AI. Some events involve meetings or live phone calls between players and actors.
    * Real life as a medium. Games use players' lives as a platform. Players are not required to build a character or role-play being someone other than themselves. They might unexpectedly overcome a challenge for the community simply because of the real-life knowledge and background they possessed. Participants are constantly on the lookout for clues embedded in everyday life.
    * Collaborative storytelling. While the puppetmasters control most of the story, they incorporate player content and respond to players' actions, analysis and speculation by adapting the narrative and intentionally leave "white space" for the players to fill in.
    * Not a hoax. While the TINAG aesthetic might seem on the surface to be an attempt to make something indistinguishable from real life, there are both subtle and overt metacommunications in place to reveal a game's framework and most of its boundaries.


What I haven't read anything about as yet, is how past  ARG's have come to an end.


Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 20, 2011, 02:43:09 AM
Souza, I loved your response to Thetimehascome!  It really is incredible that TS has done everything in his power to stay objective, factual, polite, keeping us at arms length somewhat with just some light humor here and there. Sometimes he plays the devil's advocate, sometimes telling us to decide for ourselves, or not to take something he said as sure but to research for ourselves. He starts topics/questions and then tells us we've graduated to the next level, and we're not even sure if there was a definate answer to the last question. He joined our forum after we (ones who were not following MJ's life before) had  some months to study MJ and the hoax on our own.  Almost immediately I instinctively thought TS embodied everything I had come to know about MJ as I saturated my mind with all things to do with him, and that has only been enhanced since then.  I know that I feel such a strong love, respect and joy for, and over TS, and am  ;D whenever I see he's posted something. If his role is puppetmaster in this an ARG, what a sublime master he is!  No easy task...

Thetimehascome, I thought your post was respectful and seemed you would rather be safe and believe more in randomness controlling our reality. And yes, each person chooses to believe what they want. I'm glad you hope MJ returns, and I thank you for adding some balance to our range of opinions. My sons thinks similarly to you. I hope you will keep your heart and eyes open though, just in case you need an adjustment in your overall understanding.  We all have been as Front said, "expanding our horizons!"

Wishingstar, I know exactly what you mean!  My life has completely been changed forever as well!  It feels like I've experienced a little bit of heaven yet real and tangible, something utterly satisfying like I have never experienced before in my life on this scale.

Its her, it's great to have you back, I missed you!

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BeTheChange
Very interesting first post! I enjoy reading different perspectives on things because they either re-inforce my own beliefs or they cause a little ripple or crack in my 'foundation'....which then causes me to re-evalute what I believe to be truth.  And, your perspective is what you have shared with us...nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly! Reading all the different angles, perspectives, pros and cons (plus time) gives a better chance of finding the truth.

MsTrinity333, thinking of you and may God give you what you need!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 20, 2011, 02:47:43 AM
[Off topic: Apologies for my last post just now all muddled up in Starchild's - I've put my bits in red to try and make it a bit clearer!]
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: scorpionchik on August 20, 2011, 02:52:09 AM
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what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "

If they will pay ... it would be fraud!

and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
please its really important for me!!
TS....! :roll:

This is the question that no one likes to discuss reasoning that lawsuits and judges are not real. Neverthless, I know those are real,but I have no explanation of those moves neither by Katherine vs AEG nor by Lloyds vs. MJ LLC and AEG, & vice versa since MJ LLC back fired with cross-complaint.
I hope LLoyds will win lawsuit requesting to find policy void since its inception due to fraudulent medical report presented by broker and won't pay any money. I hope MJ will be back by the day of Katherine's lawsuit trial or she will withdraw eventually. Otherwise it will not be good hoaxwise.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 20, 2011, 03:10:24 AM
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what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "

If they will pay ... it would be fraud!

and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
please its really important for me!!
TS....! :roll:
Have you seen the thread about it?   http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20138.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20138.0.html)

I like this quote in Paula-C's post:
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As so many times before in this hoax, whenever you think something is going in one particular direction, it is as if Michael jumps in and does the spin and everyone is left utterly confused. Generally speaking Michael's genius has that advantage that he can outthink anyone and take them all by surprise and we are all left with a feeling of "Huh? What is going on now?"

Everything will be okay with MJ coming back (somehow michael-jackson/ )!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Love4Michael on August 20, 2011, 09:19:28 AM
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what this??? " TMZ- Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay "

If they will pay ... it would be fraud!

and and therefore michael'll not come back anymore!..
so this article what does it mean?
sorry for my english
im waiting your answer!!
thank so musch!
please its really important for me!!
TS....! :roll:

minuminu...This policy that is being discussed is not a Life Insurance policy but one that covered costs incurred by parties in the event that the London shows didn't happen under certain circumstances.  Either outcome for Michael (dead or alive) aside...the shows did not occur and that is what has allowed the parties to pursue this action.  It's all a fight over whether or not the terms and conditions were met to force the insurer to pay out on the policy. 
 
It would depend on what statements and documentation the insurer was provided (to secure a payout by the parties) to determine if there were any grounds for fraud.  As iron-clad as most legal documents appear to be...there are often legal loopholes that can be found and used to force payment on policies without there actually being any fraudulent intent.  So Lloyd's could very well be forced to pay without anyone being guilty of committing fraud.
 
Secondly, depending on just how high up in Government the assistance for Michael may be (AND just how many people/entities are a target of any possible investigation/sting) I'm certain that any entanglements with contract law can and would be wiped away rather easily.  There are certain things that would just HAVE to happen in order for this whole post 6/25 picture to appear to be real to the world.  After all...the most famous person on the planet "died" that day so it would only be expected that insurance would be sought to be paid and the family (who all the world knows relied on him for support) would file wrongful death claims.  Not taking those steps would just be too obvious.
 
As we all are painfully aware...this hoax journey is indeed a rollercoaster ride.  It's full of those moments when you find yourself strapped in your seat...hurtling toward the ground from the top of the tallest hill.  We have no control over what is happening and we hope and believe that the track at the bottom will hold firm...catch us...and send us back up for the next peak moment when we are on top of the world.  We just have to have faith in that track (and pray that Michael and his team have maintained it well  ;) ).
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJhunny on August 20, 2011, 10:17:15 AM
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Is he alive, dead, hoax or an ARG?

AS days have turned to weeks and on to months that now has become years, many have come and gone through this website.  Each giving their "2 cents" worth of ideas, thoughts and theories yet still nothing is clear.  Indeed nothing concerning MJ makes sense, perhaps by design.  Life is full of events both good and bad.  And in each the human race is compelled to understand the reasoning of these events.  But the reality is, sometimes there is not a reason.  No underlying message, no lesson to be learned.  A newborn dies, a mother of 6 is murdered, 50 year marriages end, a teenager get pregnant, a homeless man wins the lottery and the circle continues.  As it should and always has.

Tho i do wish MJ does return but I must ask where would we be now without TS?  He may be real and know the truth, but like a rat in a maze looking for cheese, he has controlled the progression of this website and the beliefs of many.  Each will choose what they want to believe or not.  Faith is similar in that regard.  But yet without TS, most of you would no longer be here now.

I found this quote.....
Belief is such a powerful thing - but because it is, it can also be very destructive and it's very easily manipulated.
Jena Malone

Perhaps that which you believe is........


Interesting.  Something to think about.

Hi, Thetimehascome,             

(Had to leave for work earlier, but had some time now to add on to my earlier post above.)               

Before getting involved with the MJ death hoax, I, for one, had never heard of such a thing as an Alternate Reality Game (ARG), and consequently, upon joining this forum, I took a similar stance as you regarding TS.                     

The ARG concept has now been significantly mentioned on the forum.  However, again, for those unfamiliar with the particulars of an ARG and thinking in terms of the MJ death hoax as being one, TS seems to play the role of a “puppetmaster” (and interestingly, according to ARG “rules,” there can be more than one puppetmaster [persons or personas]—e.g., perhaps Front, Back, TS, and so on):

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Among the terms essential to understand discussions about [ARGs] are:
 
  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
                   
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.   
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
     
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts. 
       
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game doesn't behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game))
reading up on the well known ARG's i can't seem to believe that we could be in one...for example
the use of "clues" such as hidden phone numbers to call, hidden messages on posters, websites etc these things seem to be missing here ...these"clues" in ARG's lead the players to new levels bringing them closer to whatever the goal is that needs to be accomplished before getting more info more clues that then lead them further into the game. I cant think of one such "clue" in this case that meets those requirements, and i've tried alot of stuff. Numbers given by Back, Front, death date memorial date burial date, coroner van number plates, names of people on credits list for this is it movie( in the movie A.I. by spielberg, there was a credit for a woman whose job was "sentient machine therapist" what a job! if you googled her all weird stuff came up which dragged you further down the rabbit hole which led to other stuff etc) I just can't , from the ARG's i've read up on, see anything like that here. Nothing came as yet from easter egg hunting on TII movie which in its self would have been a perfect way to lead us to elsewhere were this an ARG.
I just can't see this as an ARG its not interactive besides us lot communicating on the forum. I'd love to hear opinions about this and if there are things that were found supporting the ARG method that i then must have completely missed.
With the love, carry on Michaeling!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 20, 2011, 12:01:22 PM
MJHunny, my quick answer is that MJ has always studied the greats and then added his own spin on things - he doesn't directly copy, he innovates and moves things on a level. Therefore if this is some type of ARG it's HIS OWN, never been done before, version of one! Does that help at all?!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 20, 2011, 12:15:00 PM
Exactly right curls......here is one of my favorite videos on YouTube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0GWCk9wnak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0GWCk9wnak)


Even a master of his art needs inspiration......Michael, you're amazing.....thank you for sharing your inspiration.


Blessings Always

PS> interesting too, the last name Fred A. gives is Riley
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: hesouttamylife on August 20, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
 beerchug Love this thread.  Being that I obviously have a short attention span, TS is on my love/hate list for all the right reasons.  TS' posts are so full of information that I find myself drifting off most times when I have engulfed all that my brain will allow me.  So I wait it out and wait for responses where the posts are broken down enough for me to digest it piece by piece lolol/  Little by little is about the best I can do at this juncture.  I am on complete overload. 

I am still here not because of TS but I must say, it’s not as much fun when he is absent.  So I say to TS, don’t take those long hiatuses.  I stand on the midline of being overloaded or under stimulated at which time my imaginaion goes into full effect.  I see ghosts and goblins lolol/  So for pete’s sake, keep a girl in a constant state of reality.  There’s still too much work to do for one to be sleeping on the job. respect/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 20, 2011, 02:43:29 PM
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I just can't see this as an ARG its not interactive besides us lot communicating on the forum.

I guess this would depend on our preconcieved ideas of what 'interactive' means to us.  Just the fact that we, as a group, meet up on this forum to share ideas, support each other, and even sometimes disagree, makes it ‘interactive’....we can call that ‘group interaction' or ‘primary interaction’.  Based on our ‘group interaction’ here on the forum...most of us then branch off, on our own, through internet-land, in search of info on some topic, thought, or idea that many times was triggered through ‘primary interaction’.  This could be described as us further ‘educating ourselves’...and in any form of education, there is interaction between the individual seeking knowledge and/or understanding...and the material they are seeking to understand. 

Because we are so invested in this hoax, most of us (I would imagine) discuss things with others in our lives (family, friends, co-workers, etc)...and not necessarily things just about the hoax.  I’ve pretty much stopped talking about the hoax with everyone except my immediate family...but when I am around others (which isn’t too often cause I prefer to be alone most of the time) I often bring up things that I’ve been researching or looking into...and an ‘interactive’ discussion ensues....a sharing of knowledge or ideas.  This is similar to ‘group interaction’ in that it involves more than one person...but it’s, most often, a ‘physical interaction’.

Based on the many posts on this forum alone...it’s clear that this ARG (if it is that)...has inspired many members to be more ‘active’ in their personal lives.  This ranges from members’ being more active with charities or their home communities (‘macro interaction’)...to members’ being inspired to be more physically active or like me, who’s been inspired to be more ‘active’ with my children (‘micro interaction’).

I’m sure there’s many, many other forms of interaction that this aspect of the hoax has generated...and I just can’t see how any of this ‘interaction’ can be a negative thing...I see it as people gaining knowledge, educating themselves and others, forming new friendships and strengthening old relationships, and trying to make a change for the better.

What would top it all though...would be to someday discover that we have actually been ‘interacting’ with the ‘man’ himself...in more ways than we knew.  And if this is an ARG...that is a very likely possibility.

 With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on August 20, 2011, 02:44:19 PM
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Am I the only one who felt a tinge of panic at the thought this will all end? It is now apparent that I really am an addict.  :-[
It's been the journey that I have loved, a great adventure with all of you guys. An education that is invaluable and unobtainable without actually going the distance and putting in the time. And while I can't wait to see MJ BAM, I am somehow reluctant to think about having to share Michael with the entire world again, because we have been blessed [as I see things] to have had this time and his attentions. But being the easily adaptable girl that I am..........I do love a good party/


No, I get that too sometimes. Addict, indeed. But a good addict. This hoax has really changed my life.



Yes I totally agree,
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 20, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
I had lots of things to write but after I read your posts I saw that everything I wanted to add was written perfectly by Bec, Souza, MjonMind and by some others. So thank you for saving me from writing all the long posts. :lol: Love you guys.

Seriously, I'm thinking about what I can add here. About the ARG issue; I definitely believe there's an ARG part of the hoax too. And when we found out about the "death" we started to play Michael's ARG. But we're not the only ones who are playing a role in this ARG. Non-believers, the media, actually everyone who knows about Michael's "death" are in this ARG. Voluntarily or involuntarily the world was joined the game. We found out the big hole on the ground and jumped into the rabbit hole but this doesn't mean that we are out of the ARG. We're playing it by knowing what we're doing. The rest who decided to stay on the surface have no idea what their roles are and what they are playing. Mr Joker Jackson is the only puppet master here. He is the one who is pulling up the strings and he is the one who created the rules of this game. Even the ones who are voluntarily in this ARG can know what he wants us to know, and can see what he wants us to see. And again he is the one who is going to END this game. As there was a beginning, there HAS TO be an END. END=BAM That is one of the reasons why he has to BAM. No need to count the other reasons. Bec wrote them so well.

And like RK wrote, I also felt depressed when I heard that this is going to be our last year with the hoax. Even if he BAMs at the end of 2012, we still have just 1,5 years the most. The hoax changed me a LOT! I learned a LOT! If people still feel confused or suspicious about TS or about the entire hoax, they need to ask themselves if they had known everything they know today 2 years ago. And they need to ask themselves again, who would love to teach his fans somethings which are very important for the future of humanity? If their answer is not Michael Jackson, then it means that they do not belong here.

I am definitely going to miss this forum, this hoax and most of you guys so so much when the hoax ends. I hope most of us will keep on coming to the forum after the BAM as well. And remember, one journey ends and the other begins.  8-) So I do believe the BAM will be the end of this journey but more will be waiting for us. This one has been a bumpy but also an amazing ride. But maybe some of us will understand after the BAM,  what an amazing journey we had through during the past 3 years. But that would be too late. So, when we still have time, and when we are still in the deep rabbit hole, we should enjoy the Wonderland! ;)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2meercy.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: mjfansince4 on August 20, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
am i sad to hear it could go to 2012? yes. but i mean, we've done this since 2009. 2009! what's one more day? week? month? year? nothing in the grand scheme of things. like a lot of people, this hoax has changed me and i can't go back to who i was before feb 2010 (when i randomly typed in "michael jackson death" into youtube and stumbled upon a hoax video).

i think all of us here, whether we're relatively new or veterans (if you will) of the hoax, were meant to be here. i'm a big believer in everything happening for a reason. whether you believe in a higher power or not, you have to admit that there's a force that guided us here and that keeps us here. once the hoax is over, it's not the end. i don't think the hoax forum will end. in fact, i think the forum is going to make us closer. once michael bams, people are going to flock here. that's when our REAL job starts. we have been taught lessons these past couple of years. post-bam, it's our turn to teach. i think that's why it's so important that we don't fight on here. we need unity. michael needs unity.

"it's a great adventure."
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 20, 2011, 11:10:33 PM
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In the last few weeks I have been overwhelmed with family crisis that seem never ending... Just when all was FINALLY right with the world.  :? Guess that means I must be doing something right since I've been a prime target lately & the Spiritual warfare has been fierce. My hearts cry at this point is; Stop the world, I want to get off!  :cry: God help me; sometimes I think I might go insane. But, onward I go. Thank you TS for everything you've done on this forum. I have no doubts concerning you & or your part in this.

Hello dear sister, it's been a while since our last communication. I just want to remind you that you are not going through alone, the Lord is in it with you! "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Remember the battle is not yours but the Lord's!
Just know that I am your prayer partner at a distance and I am standing in the gap for you because "where two or three would agree as touching any one thing it shall be done by the Father!" I'm standing in agreement with you because "two are better than one!" I'm standing with you and for you because it is my Christian duty!Finally my sister, "Be strong in the Lord and the strength of His might!"

You are "Blessed of the Lord!"
OnTheWingsOfLove

p.s. Email me if you feel the need!


The battle belongs to the Lord... :) Reminds me of an old Petra song.  Thank you for your prayers &  words of encouragement. <3 They mean the world to me. It helps a lot knowing I have prayer partners standing in the gap when I feel weak. I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me...when I am weak he is strong!
Thank you OnTheWingsOfLove, Wishing Star, use_your_illusion & MJonmind. God bless you all.
bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 20, 2011, 11:34:44 PM
Hey guys......
Don't dwell on the negative, be thankful for each moment of time we are given.  I feel as if a whole new world has opened up to me here....for that I am truly thankful.  I know what you mean about all this coming to an end.  However, I believe Michael would not cut us off cold turkey.  If all of this was planned down to the minute of death, then the ending will be just as spectacular as the beginning.  Look at it as the beginning of another chapter of a magnificent novel.  One you have been a part of....writing, conversing about, living.  It's Michael's dream to make the world a better place.  Wouldn't you say you are better off now, than when it all started?  I am.  June 25th rocked me to the core.  I am so grateful I was able to be open-minded and curious.  I had no idea I had all this in me, to tell the truth.  My only regret is that I waited so long to join the forum way back when.  A few of you probably remember my hesitance....it's ok to laugh, I do! It's an adventure, nothing to be afraid of.  Michael is not out to hurt us....I believe that fully.  If he is here (which I believe he is, hello MJ!) he is watching us closely.  The good, the bad and the ugly have all reared up throughout this hoax.  Some have given up. Some have just turned away. Yet, we are here...still deciphering clues, discussing things, discovering the man we never knew. I say good for us! I am so glad we are here......together.  If the end is indeed near...with a bam.....we will have been given a great gift.  The gift of knowing our time and talents were not wasted.  I believe there will be a way for us to stay in touch, if that is what we want.  I am at the point where I believe the greater good will prevail...the truth.  The truth is that June 25th was put in place, it didn't just happen.  We are on an adventure.  People call us crazy, call us nuts....wacko even.  I say bring it! We are a core essential to Michael's dream.  The end will only be the beginning.  Don't be afraid of the ending...I am sure it's been meticulously timed as well.  I love this quote from Orson Wells:


"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."

Our story will not stop with an unhappy ending.....that I am sure of.
I am blessed by each of you....truly.   
I wish you nothing but goodness and happiness.....Michael, words can't begin to tell you.  You are a genius of creative thought. A master of life which will not be repeated in my lifetime.  I am blessed, indeed.

Blessings to all.......
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: juslookinaround on August 20, 2011, 11:54:57 PM
I'm okay with being called crazy even wacko. Just don't call me stupid or ho LOL
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sandythyme on August 21, 2011, 06:11:28 AM
Good Morning Family!  Wishingstar!!!!!  Bravo!  Perfectly said, you brought tears to my eyes.  Your thoughts are priceless.  Take care,  Love to All         bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on August 21, 2011, 09:25:07 AM
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Hey guys......
Don't dwell on the negative, be thankful for each moment of time we are given.  I feel as if a whole new world has opened up to me here....for that I am truly thankful.  I know what you mean about all this coming to an end.  However, I believe Michael would not cut us off cold turkey.  If all of this was planned down to the minute of death, then the ending will be just as spectacular as the beginning.  Look at it as the beginning of another chapter of a magnificent novel.  One you have been a part of....writing, conversing about, living.  It's Michael's dream to make the world a better place.  Wouldn't you say you are better off now, than when it all started?  I am.  June 25th rocked me to the core.  I am so grateful I was able to be open-minded and curious.  I had no idea I had all this in me, to tell the truth.  My only regret is that I waited so long to join the forum way back when.  A few of you probably remember my hesitance....it's ok to laugh, I do! It's an adventure, nothing to be afraid of.  Michael is not out to hurt us....I believe that fully.  If he is here (which I believe he is, hello MJ!) he is watching us closely.  The good, the bad and the ugly have all reared up throughout this hoax.  Some have given up. Some have just turned away. Yet, we are here...still deciphering clues, discussing things, discovering the man we never knew. I say good for us! I am so glad we are here......together.  If the end is indeed near...with a bam.....we will have been given a great gift.  The gift of knowing our time and talents were not wasted.  I believe there will be a way for us to stay in touch, if that is what we want.  I am at the point where I believe the greater good will prevail...the truth.  The truth is that June 25th was put in place, it didn't just happen.  We are on an adventure.  People call us crazy, call us nuts....wacko even.  I say bring it! We are a core essential to Michael's dream.  The end will only be the beginning.  Don't be afraid of the ending...I am sure it's been meticulously timed as well.  I love this quote from Orson Wells:


"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."

Our story will not stop with an unhappy ending.....that I am sure of.
I am blessed by each of you....truly.   
I wish you nothing but goodness and happiness.....Michael, words can't begin to tell you.  You are a genius of creative thought. A master of life which will not be repeated in my lifetime.  I am blessed, indeed.

Blessings to all.......


BEAUTIFUL Wishingstar, the words are so touching. One thing I will tell you never regret, just move on forward. I couldn't have said it any better, I am also blessed to have met you all, and to know more about my Idol Michael Jackson. blessings to all.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: diggyon on August 21, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
Very well said, wishingstar    bearhug

I agree with you totally. But believe me I sometimes wonder what our role after the hoax ends will be!  We have spent 2 years together,we investigated and argued with eachother, we discovered new things with the help of TS.... and so and so on. When MJ bams everyone will know that we are not a bunch of crazy people. They will believe that MJ is still alive. That's why there is no role for us at all. If Michael wanted to convince all people that he is still alive he would have done it even without our help. But still, I am enjoying my time in here and I must admit that I have learned a lot in these two years. I discovered the world I am living in, thanx to the hoax. I must say I am really blessed with this knowledge. Sometimes I walk on the streets and look around and wonder how many people really know about NWO and  the evil plans that are planned by the ELITE ?!I wonder how many people really know what the skull and bones logo stands for and yet see so many people buy clothes and others stuff with that logo on it without thinking . As I said, I am really blessed with the knowledge, thankx to Michael and without that hoax I would have stayed ignorant like the majority of the people. But where is our role as a minority that knows much?
Blessings
diggyon
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 21, 2011, 10:21:57 AM
Beautiful post WishingStar....this thread oozes L.O.V.E. :)

MsTrinity...for you....wishing you brighter days ahead.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6pS5HCkgPI[/youtube]

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: a18wheelslady on August 21, 2011, 10:29:57 AM
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Quote from: Anna
This is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.

That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...


I totally get what you mean...like in your other post how you said T.S told us about a Double BAM in Summer, which was ages ago and it didn't happen, but who knows why T.S said that, there could be a good reason.


Also thinking that MJ might not come back because Elvis hasn't either...or some might say MJ has to come back because of he's kids, but Elvis had a kid and he didn't come back...but then again, MJ may not want to do that.


But I agree there is that FEAR OF NOT KNOWING and that kinda get's me, like will we ever know, I can't really see the light at the end of the tunnel...just like other things in life,for example, you may be going through a personal issue and you see no way out, but after a while there is...we just have to wait and until then, WHATEVER HAPPENS after that if MJ doesn't come back, then we can decided to leave this hoax behind or not.


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Oh no I hope you guys didn't misunderstand me. I think TS is very legit. I think the person behind TS is Michael himself. I think TS/TIAI is the ARG that we [hoaxers] are playing right now, we just don't know it [have confirmation of it's existence]. We think we are hoaxing. And we are hoaxing, but hoaxing is the ARG aspect to this hoax. It's sort of like playing a game based on a movie.
 
We think we "invented" hoaxing, per say, but what if we actually did not; what if instead we were invited to join a game [the death hoax] that had already begun [publicly on 6/25/09 at 12:21pm LA time zone]. We just didn't recognize the invite when it came [clues and discrepancies in the news] nor the puppet master when he appeared [Study/TS].

Things always look clearer from outside the box, and those fans of NIN had no idea they were playing a game. They discovered clues and followed messages that led them to some very real seeming "official government" activity, believing all the while this was some real deep shit they had stumbled on to... and when you read about it, it seems so obvious that it was set up by the band, but the people playing at the time had no idea.

So it makes me think, well, is that possible here? The 333 pages of FBI files is very interesting to me, and is almost certainly not a coincidence, but this is the only hard piece of evidence in my opinion, that the FBI is involved, and it in itself doesn't mean the FBI are working with Michael to set up a sting on _____. We haven't seen anyone besides Murray even get looked twice at. Not a single doctor has had the spotlight shone on him/her, no Entertainment company executives have been investigated either. I don't see an alleged sting operation flushing anyone out other then...

...the fans. The non-believer fans are currently all getting caught with their pants down disparaging the Jackson Family and attacking each others "fan quality" over questionable lyrics on an album, books and TV shows, and now this Tribute concert. Because Michael is dead they alleged that no one is protecting Michael's Legacy and everyone is a gold digger. Worst of all, they fail to heed their own idol's decades old message; they ignore the truth and succumb to emotionally charged reasoning, and call for the blood of an innocent man.

The non-believer fans all look like giant hypocrites now. The media have always been assholes and they will have theirs in full following the reveal, but the fans are being set up and exposed more then any other entity that I can see. So far, of course.

Yes I realize this theory is far out, but it should be clear that in my opinion, the person behind TS is the real deal. I think similarly to others who have stated they believe that Michael Jackson, Study, TS, TS_comments, back and Front are all the same entity. If you start from there as a truth and allow it to direct a flow of theory, it gets very interesting.



bec
THANK YOU
It makes my day when I see people like you saying most of what I was thinking. It seems
That I have the thoughts, but to put them into words ---- WELL I’m not good at it.
There is one thing that has puzzled me.
Why do people seem not to keep there faith. If you believe then you believe. Why would you
Let silly stuff that is going on change your feelings.
 IT’S ALL PART OF THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH which is Michaels plan. Or we could
Say THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.
We are all part of it his family the fans and the doctors, all of us.
I feel like we are a game board and Michael is a giant looking down at all of us and when he feels
He wants to make a move he just bends down and grabs the next piece to the game and moves it.
 
 
TS ---- Thank you for staying with us and as bec stated in her post
I BELIEVE TS ----- IS THE REAL DEAL.
 bearhug
Love You More  Michael :) :) :) :) :) :) :)



Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: a18wheelslady on August 21, 2011, 10:34:43 AM
I forgot the most important thing i wanted to say.
Ts thanks for the time line
 bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 21, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
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There is one thing that has puzzled me.
Why do people seem not to keep there faith. If you believe then you believe.


Because this is not 100% a faith issue.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: a18wheelslady on August 21, 2011, 11:16:47 AM
I did not mean to offend.
We all believe in something one way or the other and to me having faith
And being true to yourself in what you believe is having faith.
 bearhug
Love You More
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: hesouttamylife on August 21, 2011, 11:34:18 AM
These posts are so fulfilling and so well thought out.  Like Michael said, it’s an adventure.  This is not the end but a new beginning.  I’m not giving up until my heart tells me to.  So far, it hasn’t given me any signs.
BTW have you seen Arnie’s rant this morning?  He’s on a rampage lolol/

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How did TMZ get a copy of michael jackson's records?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 21, 2011, 11:37:37 AM
No offence at all.
I'm just saying that, at least to me, faith doesn't instantly apply to the hoax. It must be backed by something at least a little solid and must bebacked often because family keeps playing the death card all the time.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 21, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
Well, what I don't understand is why the vast majority of staunch MJ fans, who have followed him for decades, witnessed his concerts first hand, maybe even talked to him personally, received a hug, etc.,--why do they not know MJ well enough to see he himself told them of his plan for a hoaxed death, in all his lyrics, his videos, his interviews, and more. Why are many of us who are totally new in getting to know the man, and the little we had learned at the beginning told us that this is what he was planning and doing. The hoax is in keeping with the whole style of his career from day 1, sensational shocking of his audience always doing things better than anyone else, and putting magic and illusion into everything he does. That's what I don't get.  I wasn't in shock on June 25, 09 because I had hardly taken notice of him before, but since he was famous I thought I'd read up a little, found myself fascinated by him, and after about several weeks of obsessive researching, wondered to myself if he could have hoaxed his death, and put it to the google search. Is it simply the way people's thinking and wiring are different, IDK. But then I had a 10-12 year history of prior questioning through the internet of everything we've been told, be it news media or church teaching.  I'm far from smarter than the average bear, because I have constantly struggled with learning and memory all my life, and in fact I can be downright slow which affects my life profoundly, and it sucks. All I do is "question" and evaluate and it seems to me that most others are very smart and intelligent (I'm envious) but they accept things at face value, and trust the media and the church. In my mind the only way I can answer that, is that God means it to be that way, that like the Bible says, He puts a veil over people's eyes until the right time. Similarly MJ has effectively used (as Gina just said) "the death card" played by the family to keep most people's minds from questioning.

And yes, I believe TS is the real deal, also. 
Hi TS!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 21, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
My dear MJonmind......you are FAR from ever being slow!  You are an amazing member here.....I always enjoy your thought and posts.  Your thoughtfulness and creative ways of writing always make me think....I appreciate that!


Have a beautiful day!
LOVE & Blessings
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 21, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
oh my god!!
Michael Jackson Cardiff tickets to go on sale  errrr

why make a tribute if he wants to return ??!?!?! he wants to make fun of people???? its all for money?
so what? :(


 

so michael will never come back! pale/
i dont believe it... no.

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: fordtocarr on August 21, 2011, 03:25:02 PM
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@fordtocarr, to do what Michael always tried to do; shock the world.

No one has ever done this before... faked their death, fooled everyone, and then come back. It's totally up his alley to pull this off.

Besides... where's he gonna hide for the rest of his life?

Also... what would be the point of including Murray's character in this fiasco if he never intended to come back? Why die of such a self-depreciating thing? You think he would leave his children to publicly bear that burden forever? Kids of a drug addicted, self destructive, washed up, has-been, accused child molester? If he wanted out, I would expect his "death" to be routine and vanilla pudding; a massive heart attack in his sleep, alone, at home. There's no point in involving a 2nd party who could be implicated in your "death" if you simply want to slip quietly away... much less drumming up a bunch of pre-death hoopla by creating an ill-fated concert series who's organizers are also suspect in working you to death because you're too frail and emaciated to finish what you started.

The only logical end to this is a reveal and comeback.

The alternative is everything they say on the news is true... and we all know that is impossible.



Oh Bec...I'm the last person that needs convinced to believe in the hoax.  I believed it before I came on here and that's what brought me here.  I continue to bring in newbies all the time..:)  But, I just think dates and timelines into the future lead to distrust and let downs.  The questions I ask were ones I read in previous threads.  They did make sense.  But, I have theories that I believe and I'll just wait.  I don't need ts or anyone to teach me to believe, I KNOW he's alive..and I don't need to know when he'll return because as long as I know he's alive I'm fine.  I do think the clues out there, ones you've mentioned, are for us, because, the "world" of fans are just continually mourning him and not reading the clues or listening to what he's told us all these years.  I don't know his reasons, although most of this hoax is really "fun" inside the frustration of trying to guess then prove reasons to do the hoax.  I am grateful for any input ts gives...or anyone else. 
I know he'll be back and when he is it will be greater than we can imagine and "whoa, to those who don't believe"...I bet they'll be saying they really always knew.  But, we have this forum for proof of who stood by Michael♥  I'm here forever...and I know you all are too!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: AnaMarcia on August 21, 2011, 04:31:41 PM
I'll always be here for Michael, I just do not want to deceive me with dates.
I have great expectations for the next month, not for Bam, but the conduct of the history of Murray. TS said in another post that information would be important to monitor during the hearings. Maybe things become more and more clear.
I believe that we, believers, will know when the hoax is coming to an end.
Sometimes I get impatient with all delay, I know, but I think we all know that is not yet at the time of Bam! Michael will not come back if something major don't happens. If he comes back now, he will be once again falsely accused of having done everything just for marketing and money.
But I also know that if he wants this situation can be resolved in a few days.  ::P

Of course I'll keep watching and helping whenever I can.

Big hug!   bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 21, 2011, 09:38:36 PM

is not the subject, but this is one of the most beautiful photos of Michael




(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTop8eCeG3hX30UQGRuD_L-Yrc82oNXAGVhzIo5y0Vvj85OfAS5SQ&t=1)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Its her on August 21, 2011, 11:39:41 PM
 albino/
Off
Topic, oh-oh

 
Quote
Its her, it's great to have you back, I missed you!


Hi MJonmind:) Thank you, how kind of you to say! ;D
I am still here. afraid/   Just been kinda quiet, like a little barnacle on the hull of this Ship, holding on, till El Capitan pries me off, or I find something to share at the bullhorn...
  :lol: mj_dance/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 22, 2011, 12:31:15 AM
Thanks for the kind words Wishingstar!

Its Her, love the metaphor! I think we're all sticking to MJ's ship, through calm and stormy seas! :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: lilwendy on August 22, 2011, 12:47:36 AM
Just thought I would add all my thoughts I've had on ARGs since November 2009.

http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/category/arg/ (http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/category/arg/)

Some of the posts aren't directly about ARG's but something in them pertained to ARG's (enough to have me tag my post as ARG related).

Please keep in mind, some of these posts I may have changed my mind on or had further enlightenment along the way... but use it for what it's worth.  :)

It's all about collectively sharing what we know or have learned in order to better one another.  Love you!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 22, 2011, 12:59:17 AM
Now that we have a promise from TS that Mike will be back till the end of 2012, I was wondering what are we going to do in the meantime?

Is there a plan for us too? What else is left to investigate?

I mean I think I will get bored just to wait for the end of 2012 to see if TS was right or not.

I have to wonder what our role was in this, if it was any, or we just "landed" here by mistake and now Mike is "stuck"  with us and has no part for us anymore?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: jadz29858 on August 22, 2011, 03:52:41 AM
What are we going to do in the mean time ? Just what we have been doing the last two years  keeping the faith and looking fof more cues I'm sure Michael will be senting us alot more. "The best is yet to come" REMEMBER  LOVE
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 22, 2011, 04:21:53 AM
Interesting that there's been hardly a mention of Elvis in these 6 pages, even though he was the subject of nearly all of TS's original post.  Just an observation!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: diggyon on August 22, 2011, 05:36:47 AM
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Interesting that there's been hardly a mention of Elvis in these 6 pages, even though he was the subject of nearly all of TS's original post.  Just an observation!
you're right curls. We all see the Elvis' connection here but I personally wonder if Elvis is really going to reappear again!!!!!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 22, 2011, 06:32:00 AM
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Quote from: Anna
This is my biggest fear too. I sometimes stay and think about this all and picture myself in 2012 or 2013, with no answers, not knowing what happened, and being left with the doubt forever. And the vision of seeing this all reaching to a point when we'll be told "it's over, get back to your life, that was all. There won't be any comeback because it's too dangerous and it was decided this way". And we'll forever remain with the doubt about what happened. I'm just thinking out loud my biggest fears.

That's the reason why I feel no peace, because it's been more than 2 years, time in which I've been here, consuming myself, losing nights reading and digging into things, and everything you all know and experienced (let downs, hopes crushed, etc.). I just can't feel at peace with this thought to never have the answers to all this. I know others have different ways to see this all, but to me this has been going inside myself since day one...


I totally get what you mean...like in your other post how you said T.S told us about a Double BAM in Summer, which was ages ago and it didn't happen, but who knows why T.S said that, there could be a good reason.


Also thinking that MJ might not come back because Elvis hasn't either...or some might say MJ has to come back because of he's kids, but Elvis had a kid and he didn't come back...but then again, MJ may not want to do that.


But I agree there is that FEAR OF NOT KNOWING and that kinda get's me, like will we ever know, I can't really see the light at the end of the tunnel...just like other things in life,for example, you may be going through a personal issue and you see no way out, but after a while there is...we just have to wait and until then, WHATEVER HAPPENS after that if MJ doesn't come back, then we can decided to leave this hoax behind or not.



bec
THANK YOU
It makes my day when I see people like you saying most of what I was thinking. It seems
That I have the thoughts, but to put them into words ---- WELL I’m not good at it.
There is one thing that has puzzled me.
Why do people seem not to keep there faith. If you believe then you believe. Why would you
Let silly stuff that is going on change your feelings.
 IT’S ALL PART OF THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH which is Michaels plan. Or we could
Say THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.
We are all part of it his family the fans and the doctors, all of us.
I feel like we are a game board and Michael is a giant looking down at all of us and when he feels
He wants to make a move he just bends down and grabs the next piece to the game and moves it.
 
 
TS ---- Thank you for staying with us and as bec stated in her post
I BELIEVE TS ----- IS THE REAL DEAL.
 bearhug
Love You More  Michael :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

@a18wheelslady in my post I wasn't saying that TS isn't the real deal or that there is a loss of belief, because I was just saying the opposite, I only say this, if you used my post as an example of losing belief, but if you didn't then my bad, sorry yeah but I just wanted to clear that up.

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Hi MJonmind:) Thank you, how kind of you to say! ;D
I am still here. afraid/   Just been kinda quiet, like a little barnacle on the hull of this Ship, holding on, till El Capitan pries me off, or I find something to share at the bullhorn...
  :lol: mj_dance/

Yes nice to have you back on the threads  geek/ , ttyl.

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Interesting that there's been hardly a mention of Elvis in these 6 pages, even though he was the subject of nearly all of TS's original post.  Just an observation!

Your right...also this thread kinda feels different since T.S told us that this hoax will end by the end of 2012, it's like we are all saying our goodbyes...lol.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: sandythyme on August 22, 2011, 07:03:45 AM
Good Morning Family.  Wishingstar thanks for the beautiful note, I appreciate it!  bearhug MissTrinity, hang in there!  Whatever you are experiencing in your life, I am right there with you.  Family stuff is tough especially as we age, there is so much to handle, everyday crisis, illness, death.  I look for stength in the most encouraging places.  This site is one of them.  As a read quickly through this morning, I thought of so many things to say to all of you.  But sometimes I blabb to much so here it goes....whatever happens to us with this site and especially Michael we have been given something so special that people who are not in the moment could never understand.  We have learned in a short period of time, 2 plus years isn't really long when you think what we have learned and experienced to look, listen, understand, seek truth, love, relate to each other in all kinds of situations and to be kind to each other when needed most.  Some of us were given a better understanding about God, giving and helping and what the universe can hold for each of us.  I would say Michael is a pretty incredible educator.  I believe when all is said and done, there will be a place for us, whether it be here or just speaking to people around us and educating them.  Whatever happens, we went through this together and what we have experienced and learned is more precious beyond mention.  Take care, Love to All bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 22, 2011, 07:13:58 AM
@sandythyme.......you are so sweet...what an amazing post, thank you for those encouraging words!  Michael.....I hope you take these words, posts to heart and know there is much love here because of you.  Thank you again sandythyme...you're a sweetheart!


Have a most beautiful day!
Blessings Always

PS> Elvis rocks  elvis_/ yes...a bit off topic with all this...but in a good way I hope: )  I am so curious about the Elvis factor.....it's almost too amazing to think of at times.  Thanks for the reminder use_your_illusion .... blessings!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 22, 2011, 10:12:52 AM
On the Elvis connection I just listened to this: 
"The Conspiracy Corner" - Jim Harold interviews Pearl Jr.
8/19/2011
http://www.michaeljacksoninsider.com/   elvis_/  (http://http://www.michaeljacksoninsider.com/)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MsTrinity333 on August 22, 2011, 10:24:04 AM
Thanks for the video BeTheChange...  bearhug
Things are HOT around here. You'll never believe what happened yesterday; fraud on our Bank account, they wiped us out of thousands. My husband just got paid Friday & was ready to pay bills after Church. We have $9 dollars left.   :lol:   
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 22, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
You're very welcome MsTrinity  bearhug

I'm SO sorry to hear about your latest struggle...I, too, have been the victim of bank account fraud, so I know what it feels like....and it's far from a 'good' feeling.  In my case, I had used my debit card at a gas station...which I've since learned is a big no-no. 

The good news is that the bank will sort it out...unfortunately, it may take a few days.  In the meantime, $9 can buy some candy to help you stay sweet  lolol/

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 22, 2011, 01:03:32 PM
I'm of the firm opinion that the movie Megamind holds some key truths for this hoax. I know it's been discussed before. Since TS wants us to discuss the MJ/Elvis link I wanted to point out some things. Of course Metro Man is Elvis and Megamind is MJ, even though Wiki explains they are some other dudes supposedly. So MJ has destroyed/outperformed Elvis at the height of MJ's career in the 80's, and becomes bored not having anyone to best/conquer.  Maybe you already know where I'm going with this. Now I know this hoax is in layers, but this is one layer or purpose of many. Okay, so he creates this enemy or opponent so he has something to fight/destroy. He starts rumors in the media and creates an image of himself that the world would conceive of as horrible, a monster, weird, wacko, anti-his own race, catalogue that people will kill him for, Pepsi wanted to burn him, on and on, etc.  This "enemy" took on a life of his own and grew in power and became arrogant thinking he could destroy MJ--his creator, thus the 2 molestation accusations and trial.  I'm sure it is Lisa Marie that informed MJ that her father had hoaxed his death, just as Megamind finds Mega Man alive but hiding, with no intention of ever coming out again.  Every good movie throws in a romance, so I don't know who the Roxanne person would be, though she looks like Diane Dimond to me :lol:, which would surely be a unexpected twist if true--NOT!  Anyway, once MJ destroys this horrible nemesis that he has created which has grown huge and infamous world-wide, then he will take his rightful place as the world's true hero, loved by all. The titles and museums to Elvis or other rock stars will be given rightfully to MJ once again. And guess who is in the crowds cheering him on, Elvis himself. That's why TS keeps bringing him into this hoax. Elvis is his "partner in crime" so to speak. They're enemy/friends because they understand each other like no one else can. Well that's my take! :D

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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megamind  PlotMegamind (Will Ferrell) is a super-intelligent alien, a (self-proclaimed) incredibly handsome genius and master of all villainy, and (also self-proclaimed but with more to back it up) villain of the fictional Metro City. Megamind has constantly battled and lost to his nemesis Metro Man (Brad Pitt) since they both arrived on Earth as infants. On the day that Metro City dedicates a museum to their protector, Megamind and his only friend and sidekick Minion (David Cross) kidnap reporter Roxanne Ritchi (Tina Fey) and lure Metro Man into a copper-lined room. To everyone's surprise, Metro Man is unable to escape and appears to be killed when Megamind's death ray strikes him. Megamind revels in his victory against Metro Man, but shortly after becomes depressed, his villainy having no meaning without anyone to stop him.

While attempting to destroy the museum, he disguises himself as its curator Bernard (Ben Stiller) to avoid being found by Roxanne and ends up talking with her. Megamind is inspired by a comment from Roxanne to create a superhero by injecting a worthy target with a serum fashioned from Metro Man's DNA, granting them Metro Man's super-abilities. As Megamind is selecting his target, Roxanne sneaks into Megamind's lair; in the resulting chaos, Megamind accidentally fires the serum into Hal, Roxanne's cameraman (Jonah Hill). Taking advantage of the gullible Hal, Megamind appears to the transformed human as his "space dad", grooming Hal into the superhero Titan (which Hal misspells as "Tighten") and preparing him to fight Megamind in the coming days. Meanwhile, Megamind has become attracted to Roxanne, and continues to date her using his Bernard disguise. Titan, also infatuated with Roxanne, becomes jealous of Bernard, while Minion, seeing Megamind losing interest in villainy, angrily leaves him. On a dinner date, Megamind's disguise falters, leading Roxanne to dump him. Megamind, heartbroken, returns to his lair and vows to fight Titan the next day as planned.

Megamind becomes impatient waiting for Titan and seeks him out, finding that Titan is intending to use his powers for nefarious purposes. Outraged, Megamind taunts Titan into fighting him by revealing his space dad and Bernard disguises. In the midst of the fight, Megamind realizes that Titan will not be satisfied with simply imprisoning Megamind, but intends to kill him. Megamind tries to activate his safeguard scheme by capturing Titan in a copper-lined trap but is shocked to find it fails to work. Megamind flees, leaving the city to celebrate Titan's victory, until Titan reveals that he is taking over the city and goes on a destructive rampage as the new villain, much to everyone's shock. Megamind returns to Roxanne, apologizing and convincing her to lead him to Metro Man's secret headquarters where they might find another way to stop Titan. They are surprised to find Metro Man alive, secluded in his headquarters. Metro Man reveals he had become tired of fighting Megamind and had an epiphany. He then faked his own death to pursue his career as a musician. Without any new leads, Roxanne tries to convince Megamind to fight Titan as the city's hero, but Megamind feels he is destined to always be the failing villain, and turns himself back in to prison.

Later, Titan captures Roxanne and secures her to the top of Metro Tower, threatening to kill her if Megamind does not fight him. Seeing Roxanne in danger, Megamind pleads to the Warden for his release, apologizing for all the wrongs he committed before. To the villain's surprise, Minion has disguised himself as the Warden, accepts Megamind's apology, and the two take off to save the city. Minion disguises himself as Megamind to lure Titan from the tower and save Roxanne, while Megamind disguises himself as Metro Man to verbally berate Titan for his actions. Titan is temporarily bested, and told by "Metro Man" to leave "Metrocity" (Megamind's distinctive mispronunciation of "Metro City"), but the deranged villain returns, seeing through Megamind's disguise. Megamind is forced to run from Titan's wrath, until Roxanne discovers where Megamind left his invisible car and the tool to extract the superhero serum from Titan. Megamind successfully retrieves the device and uses it on Titan, reverting him back to Hal. As Hal is taken away to jail, the city cheers for its new hero, a role that Megamind realizes he is capable of choosing himself.

In the aftermath, the former Metro Man museum is rededicated to Megamind, who is slowly coming around to being the hero. He and Roxanne have developed a relationship, and hidden in the crowds, a disguised Metro Man gives Megamind his congratulations.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: jadz29858 on August 22, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
I like where your coming from MJonmind I also found alot of interesting clues in Megamind! There was alot of songs in that film with meaning to MJ.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 22, 2011, 04:14:11 PM
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Now that we have a promise from TS that Mike will be back till the end of 2012, I was wondering what are we going to do in the meantime?

Is there a plan for us too? What else is left to investigate?


Michael is always giving us something to play with. I'm sure he will be giving us more clues. And don't forget about the trial. There will be lots of things to find out there. ;) The show isn't over yet.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on August 23, 2011, 11:13:25 AM
Just reading Arnie Klines tweets this afternoon, and   :shock: Im beginning to think he is a part of this all  afraid/   he is posting MJ quotes, and one interesting one is :
             

Just call my name I am your friend MJJ  - also posted the painting depicting Michael as an angel with his foot on the devil  afraid/ are we about to turn 666 to 999?  are we coming to the final process?

Look for yourself @ www.twitter.com/#!/awkmd  he has been posting many MJJ quotes today
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: RK on August 23, 2011, 11:46:49 AM
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Just reading Arnie Klines tweets this afternoon, and   :shock: Im beginning to think he is a part of this all  afraid/   he is posting MJ quotes, and one interesting one is :
             

Just call my name I am your friend MJJ  - also posted the painting depicting Michael as an angel with his foot on the devil  afraid/ are we about to turn 666 to 999?  are we coming to the final process?

Look for yourself @ www.twitter.com/#!/awkmd  he has been posting many MJJ quotes today
You may be right. What if TS said BAM will be before the end of 2012 to play with us a little because it's really imminent. This could be the case. A surprise for us as well as everyone else. While we're all wingeing and whining about another possible 16 months..BAM.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: marisjm on August 23, 2011, 12:06:29 PM
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Now that we have a promise from TS that Mike will be back till the end of 2012, I was wondering what are we going to do in the meantime?

Is there a plan for us too? What else is left to investigate?

I mean I think I will get bored just to wait for the end of 2012 to see if TS was right or not.

I have to wonder what our role was in this, if it was any, or we just "landed" here by mistake and now Mike is "stuck"  with us and has no part for us anymore?
Keep spreading Michael's message of love and trying to better the world in whatever way we can.  Don't sweat the small stuff (like who wins the best song...etc.)  Don't become an angry fan (so many of those I see on Twitter).  Just keep Michaeling.  When he does return we can honestly say we did our best for you.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on August 23, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
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Just reading Arnie Klines tweets this afternoon, and   :shock: Im beginning to think he is a part of this all  afraid/   he is posting MJ quotes, and one interesting one is :
             

Just call my name I am your friend MJJ  - also posted the painting depicting Michael as an angel with his foot on the devil  afraid/ are we about to turn 666 to 999?  are we coming to the final process?

Look for yourself @ www.twitter.com/#!/awkmd (http://www.twitter.com/#%21/awkmd)  he has been posting many MJJ quotes today
You may be right. What if TS said BAM will be before the end of 2012 to play with us a little because it's really imminent. This could be the case. A surprise for us as well as everyone else. While we're all wingeing and whining about another possible 16 months..BAM.
Ive spent a few hours going down Arnies Twitter, he keeps positing the photo of Michael as and angel with his foot on the devil, and much more information we have discovered over the past 2 years, I feel this is quite significant.

Will just have to keep an eye on him.

 typing/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 23, 2011, 03:58:39 PM
This is the picture Klein posted. Interesting choice really. Archangel Michael killing the evil.

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2cr55hv.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: _Anna_ on August 23, 2011, 03:58:48 PM
I never liked this person and always thought he was just after money. Also he's the one who started the bullshit about Mike peeing in cups

Anyway, watch BACK's opinion on 6th of nov 2009

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9927/97039099.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/97039099.jpg/)

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 23, 2011, 04:13:02 PM
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I never liked this person and always thought he was just after money. Also he's the one who started the bullshit about Mike peeing in cups

Anyway, watch BACK's opinion on 6th of nov 2009

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9927/97039099.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/97039099.jpg/)

I do believe there's something fishy with Klein too. Maybe he knows Michael is alive, not because Michael told him about the reasons of the hoax but maybe somehow he learned about it. And again maybe he knows he is one of the doctors on the hook of Michael and the FBI. That can be the reason why Back wrote Klein is desperate and scared. And also remember that they used Michael's footages of getting out of Klein's office a couple of times at the tribute concert trailer. Why would they choose those ones? It looks like Arnie is scared to death and he is trying to look good to Michael with those tweets. 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: hesouttamylife on August 23, 2011, 04:24:48 PM
I agree.  I believe that Klein found out that Michael is alive or he is about to shit his pants thinking there’s a good possibility that he is.  Possibly found out right around the time he started ranting and raging online about others who had done Michael wrong to try to put himself in good graces before Michael returns and outs the hell out of all of them.  Him included.  Seems to me he’s running scared and trying to talk himself  into Michael’s forgiviness.  It was certainly out of the blue that he started talking like a maniac and he still goes through those periods where he can’t seem to say enough.  Tssk, tssk, Arnie.  You can run but you can’t hide.  I wonder how often “is it scary” plays inside his scrambled brain. lolol/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: marisjm on August 23, 2011, 04:51:20 PM
I have never liked A. Klein.  Always said one thing while Michael was alive, changed to telling ugly stories after Michael "died."  You don't do that with friends.  It creeps me out to read the posts with him being all buddy buddy towards Michael.   From his posts he seems like a drowning person reaching for a float. 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 23, 2011, 05:03:14 PM
SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on August 23, 2011, 05:50:04 PM
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This is the picture Klein posted. Interesting choice really. Archangel Michael killing the evil.

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2cr55hv.jpg)

Thanks Purelove for posting the picture, I dont know how to do it  :oops:   I know I should by now after 2 years  :oops: :oops: :roll:    :)


Interesting picture choice I think, my first though  666 to 999.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 23, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!

TS is a fake just because he said that Michael will be back till 2013 and you KNOW as a FACT that he is not coming back?  :roll:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 23, 2011, 05:59:34 PM
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!

TS is a fake just because he said that Michael will be back till 2013 and you KNOW as a FACT that he is not coming back?  :roll:
Of course not :)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 23, 2011, 06:04:48 PM
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!

Seriously, how old are you? :?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 23, 2011, 06:08:48 PM
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!

TS is a fake just because he said that Michael will be back till 2013 and you KNOW as a FACT that he is not coming back?  :roll:
Of course not :)

Can you back up your claim about TS? Because there has been a lot of opposers who could only WRITE that TS is a fake but when it came to prove and back up their claims, they all ran away. Saying TS is a fake is a very poor statement and means nothing for the ones who followed TS for 2 years and saw the FACTS how he proved he is the real deal.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 23, 2011, 06:12:20 PM
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This is the picture Klein posted. Interesting choice really. Archangel Michael killing the evil.

Thanks Purelove for posting the picture, I dont know how to do it  :oops:   I know I should by now after 2 years  :oops: :oops: :roll:    :)


Interesting picture choice I think, my first though  666 to 999.

No problem at all. Actually posting a pic on the forum is not hard or complicated. I can tell you how to do it. I'll be sending a PM to you about it.  :)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 23, 2011, 11:00:02 PM
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EEr7HJsBacI/SIERnG2S3uI/AAAAAAAACTM/q2e7y7dHPFk/s400/ignorance.jpg)
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 25, 2011, 02:43:48 AM
frank dileo is dead.. and now?   :|
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 25, 2011, 05:18:01 AM
I understand that the tribute had to be on October 8 to match with the Elvis tribute Michael and Lisa attended.
 
So what if the Tribute was scheduled so late - in 2011 - only because in 2009 and 2010 October 8 was on a Thursday and a Friday and workdays are not fit for such an event?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 25, 2011, 05:21:47 AM
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SHAME!
TS you are SO fake!
so many people will suffer for this reason ....
im sorry for all people that believe in you...   
SHAMONE PEOPLE! MJ WILL NEVER COME BACK... ANYMORE
Shamone!

Actually not so many...we are just a few.
Thank you for your concern.

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 25, 2011, 07:50:01 AM
"I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!"
 
You know that's scary don't you...even considering the possibility makes me shiveeerrr errrr
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Andrea on August 25, 2011, 08:00:53 AM
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"I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!"
 
You know that's scary don't you...even considering the possibility makes me shiveeerrr errrr


I don't think TS is a fake informer although it's a pretty good bet to say Michael will be back before January 1st, 2013 - informer or not.  I find it interesting reading the replies in this thread, it seems a lot of people now think Michael will be back at the end of 2012.  Maybe he will but TS did say anytime between now and then.  If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.  But even if we all had a certain date in mind, his return will be a shock no matter how much we think we're ready for it.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 25, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
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If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.

You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Andrea on August 25, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
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If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.

You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.

 Michael will not change his plans based on my one little comment.   geek/   He could come back at anytime.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: dragonflylilies on August 25, 2011, 06:18:39 PM
Ok TS, I have been pondering this notion for quite sometime and I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this in the past.  I feel that I need to get this off my chest, so here goes.
With all the 2012 stuff going on and people that are important but still very young are dying.  What if and a big what if, the government has been forcing these people to go into a special bunker until doomsday is over.  The government can hold all these people in case there is a chance that mankind will be able to survive.  They could be insuring that future generation will be able to experience greatness like we have.  They are taking important people and artifacts and putting them in a safe place.  So, if doomsday never comes these people can come out.  They won't be prosecuted for faking their death because it was with the help of the government.  It reminds me of the movie 2012.  It would be the four years and it would be the GREATEST show on earth.  All these people coming back that we thought we all lost. 
I hope you all understand what I am trying to say.  I could be just grasping at straws.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MissG on August 25, 2011, 08:03:07 PM
So, Arnie is posting pics full of symbolism?

What´s going on? art here art there  :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: onthewingsoflove on August 26, 2011, 02:20:54 AM
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Ok TS, I have been pondering this notion for quite sometime and I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this in the past.  I feel that I need to get this off my chest, so here goes.
With all the 2012 stuff going on and people that are important but still very young are dying.  What if and a big what if, the government has been forcing these people to go into a special bunker until doomsday is over.  The government can hold all these people in case there is a chance that mankind will be able to survive.  They could be insuring that future generation will be able to experience greatness like we have.  They are taking important people and artifacts and putting them in a safe place.  So, if doomsday never comes these people can come out.  They won't be prosecuted for faking their death because it was with the help of the government.  It reminds me of the movie 2012.  It would be the four years and it would be the GREATEST show on earth.  All these people coming back that we thought we all lost. 
I hope you all understand what I am trying to say.  I could be just grasping at straws.

We've all been grasping at straws these past two years! :lol:   But I understand exactly what you are saying. You can't rule out anything in this world today! All we can do is wait and see, what truth will be revealed!

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 26, 2011, 02:25:03 AM
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If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.

You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.

 Michael will not change his plans based on my one little comment.   geek/   He could come back at anytime.

...are you sure suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//  ...?
 lolol/
 
that's an ARG so.....he changes his moves according to our response
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 26, 2011, 02:25:53 AM
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Ok TS, I have been pondering this notion for quite sometime and I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this in the past.  I feel that I need to get this off my chest, so here goes.
With all the 2012 stuff going on and people that are important but still very young are dying.  What if and a big what if, the government has been forcing these people to go into a special bunker until doomsday is over.  The government can hold all these people in case there is a chance that mankind will be able to survive.  They could be insuring that future generation will be able to experience greatness like we have.  They are taking important people and artifacts and putting them in a safe place.  So, if doomsday never comes these people can come out.  They won't be prosecuted for faking their death because it was with the help of the government.  It reminds me of the movie 2012.  It would be the four years and it would be the GREATEST show on earth.  All these people coming back that we thought we all lost. 
I hope you all understand what I am trying to say.  I could be just grasping at straws.

That's REALLY, but really crazy scenario. Like in the movies.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on August 26, 2011, 05:21:54 AM
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So, Arnie is posting pics full of symbolism?

What´s going on? art here art there  :lol:


yes I know what you mean, when I saw the picture Arnie posted on twitter the one with MJ depicted as an angel with his foot on the devil I immediately thought of the turn 666 to 999! afraid/   but its very interesting.  Then you have the guy who worked for Arnie who was  "supposed" to have had a relationship with MJ (dont believe that bit), who said in the "Sun" newspaper that MJ was worried about the Mayan calendar, I just think we are beginning to see the puzzel coming together. 

Will just keep watching.


p.s.  I read an article about Frank Dileo yesterday, where it was describing what he liked to have for breakfast when he was at the Beverly Hills Hotel, it was a health breakfast, fruit etc etc and "FRENCH TOAST"  which made me think of V for Vendetta video and also what Paris said about her Dad making the best "FRENCH TOAST"  maybe Im reading too much into things,  :shock:   but you never know.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 26, 2011, 08:05:09 AM
I have to admit it is strange that the tribute is scheduled on the same October 8 like Elvis tribute 17 years ago.
This is a connection with Elvis that comes from the family, from Ms. Katherine and the other family members who agree with the tribute. One might at least wonder why there is this October 8 coincidence.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 26, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
Ohhh...

It was always a mistery how MJ will BAM, if this is going to happen.
People speculated so much on this , yet no convenient scenario was brought up.

It just seems so difficult for MJ to come back that i really can not imagine HOW he will do it suspicious// confused/ bounce/ bounce/ pale/ pale/...I am afraid for him pale/ pale/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ignisaeternus on August 26, 2011, 10:50:39 AM
Hi all! Sorry I have been so awol! Life got in the way of posting. But I have not veered off the hoax trail.. I certainly missed you all!  bearhug

First, I don't know if this has been addressed- but with inclusive time counting, 2009-2012 is 4 years (you count 09 as one, then 10 as two, and so on)- this is the counting as used in the bible, and as TS pointed out in one of his very initial intros to the hoax, the counting Michael often used.

For myself, I have set Dec 31 2012 as a deadline. I think if Michael doesn't BAM by then, it won't happen. I still think he is alive, but I won't think he will come back... So, TS' post was VERY interesting to me...

Have any of you read the new book "M.Poetica: Michael Jackson's Art of Connection and Defiance" by Willa Stillwater?  It is only available as an e-book. Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/Poetica-Jacksons-Connection-Defiance-ebook/dp/B004WDRVP8/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

It is not a hoax book, but man, if you read it and you are a believer in the hoax, so many things fall into place. She uses Michael's art to really point out what he is trying to tell us.  She also, highlights the origin of his initial psychological injury: The Chandler accusations. Especially, she focuses on the stripsearch (which, she points out was like a rape to him- and I always felt that way, too), and how the presence of those pictures has always haunted him, and how he tried time and time again to get them back. She calls them "the Kryptonite to his Superman"- evidence of his humiliation and trauma- out there, unsecured.

Now, many of us have talked before about parallels between the Murray trial and the Chandler accusations as well as the 2005 trial. The stripsearch pictures have been liked to the admission of the (fake, if you are a hoax believer) autopsy pictures.

The reason, I bring this up, is b/c, among other things, the events of 93 are, as I believe, tied to the hoax. Not alone- but as one of the puzzle pieces. The book, investigates other things Michael addressed through his art- and if you read it and are a believer you find that we have talked about many of them.  One of the main topics concerns him being a master prankster and illusionist- a shape shifter (see: Thriller, Ghosts, Moonwalker....)- teaching us lessons about ourselves.

Another piece of the puzzle that has occurred recently, among the discussed tribute details (which are so obvious they simply cannot be a coincidence), the upcoming trial and connected resurgence of the tabloid media and self proclaimed MJ experts (a la Rabbi Boteach) and the old cast of characters (Arni Klein), are articles addressing pedophilia in the entertainment industry.  I find this very interesting, as I still hold to my often stated belief that there is a sting/FBI aspect to the hoax as well. Again, I believe MJ was tied into investigating this monstrosity- and he was attacked for it, and branded a pedophile himself. 

Nothing about this hoax operates on one level. To me, it is as multi-layered as Michael's art. There is a surface- and then there are hundreds of sub-levels.

TS, thank you for this thread- and thanks to all of you for all the great insights.  I love the mention of the ARG as well again- I think  it certainly is one of those levels the hoax operates on.  And then we have the Elvis connection... It has certainly gotten more exposure, hasn't it? Btw- I don't know if this has been brought up, but LMP on her fb site also mentioned the new exhibit as well as the 35th anniversary being a very special one... Hm, hm, hm....
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: SeeingClues on August 26, 2011, 11:45:50 AM
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As most of you know already: the MJ tribute planned for October 8 is exactly 17 years (1 + 7 = 8 ) after the Elvis tribute, which MJ & LMP attended (and this redirect is on 8-17).  And it’s not just Global Live pushing Katherine into this; remember that the family has been behind it (except Jermaine and Randy).  So if the location of the tribute is not a coincidence (Cardiff Wales & Cardiff Giant hoax), then the timing of it is also not a coincidence.

TS was not the first to bring up the Elvis connections and parallels, but TS did bring Elvis and MJ to the forefront in 2010 (www.ElvisAndMJ.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com/)); however, the reaction from many was not supportive of bringing Elvis into the MJ hoax, and some even left this forum or the whole hoax over it.  As I have always said, though, the truth will all come out; and one year later, Jackson family members are supporting a tribute, which is very obviously intended to show the Elvis connection.

Likewise, TS was not the first to bring up the Illuminati and secret societies aspect of the MJ hoax, but TS did bring this to the forefront in 2009 (www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com/)); and just like the Elvis aspect, many have opposed TS because of the Illuminati aspect.  Nearly two years later, though, Jackson family members are starting to speak publicly about this as well.  As I have already documented in the July 7 thread, La Toya’s book goes into this aspect a little {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,19778.0.html)}.  Furthermore, La Toya has just recently verified the Twitter for Paris {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776)}; and Paris herself tweeted in June about the “secret society” aspect, encouraging us to “take time to seek” info about this for ourselves {http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312 (http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80390484186509312); http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344 (http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/80381763427385344)}.

Those who post regularly on this forum already know most or all of what I’ve said here; but I am including it because there are those not on this forum who still watch the TIAI redirects, and even copy what I post to other forums, etc.  And it’s time for these important aspects of the hoax to be understood by all on this forum, other hoax forums, and YouTube, etc.

Getting back to the Elvis connections: the redirect for yesterday (August 16) was a statement by LMP at Graceland {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html)}.  Most of the connections there were discovered, and commented upon in that thread; but let me review them here, and add a few points.

“ ‘I'll see you next August.’  What does that sound like? --> I'll see you in July!” {lilwendy}.

“ ‘Elvis Through His Daughter's Eyes’ … this made me think of Jermaine's book ‘You are Not Alone: Michael: Through a Brother's Eyes’.” {Sarahli}.

“Maybe LMP's ‘entire family’ will include her father.  Elvis fans deserve a BAM too!  They've certainly been waiting long enough.” {Andrea}.
 
“ ‘...which as you all know as the 35th anniversary will be special time’  To me this was interesting. Why is the 35 anniversary special?” {GINAFELICIA}.

The “entire family” if taken literally, would have to include Jesse/Elvis—since he is still alive.  Why is the 35th anniversary special?  Because he will then be 77 years old, the same number as the “death” year (8-16-77).  Also because it will be exactly ten years after the 25th anniversary, when Dr. Hinton said Elvis would be “coming out” at Graceland.  And because “3+5=8” {Yambo3003}; of course 8 is the key number in the Elvis numerology.

It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax (“four years” from 2009, and 911 call at 12:21, FBI files, etc).  Of course even if there is an Elvis BAM: he would not be performing again, or even seen in public (other than maybe at Graceland next year).  Now I am not saying with any certainty that Elvis will BAM on 8-16-2012; but I am saying that if he ever does, that would be a very likely time.  Anyone who has read his book knows that Jesse himself would like the general public to know the truth {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html)}; but he has pressure from family, and especially EPE.

Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ.  However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!



Interesting that the @michaeljackson Twitter account randomly tweeted this today:
  "Michael Jackson King of Pop Thirty-Fifth Event Shirt http://bit.ly/oHoWAG (http://bit.ly/oHoWAG)"   The number 35 again.   
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Andrea on August 26, 2011, 12:23:42 PM
Thank you for that link SeeingClues (love your site BTW).
 
Here's the description for the shirt in the link:
 
January 25th was to be the Thirty-Fifth night of 50 shows at London’s famed O2 Arena. To honor Michael and memorialize this event, we are making available the O2 Thirty-Fifth Night Commemorative Event T-shirt! Featuring a bold number 35 on the back to memorialize the Thirty-Fifth Michael Jackson show, this shirt was to have been sold at the O2 only January 25, 2010.
 
So the number 35 as it was supposed to be the 35th concert, on the 7 month anniversary mark since June 25/09...very interesting to say the least!  I remember this was also one of the dates TS had mentioned a long time ago, about the possibility of a return that month, the dates we talked about were January 18 (MLK Jr day) and 25 (7 months), if I remember correctly.  I'm thinking that tweet was not so random but seemingly random.   suspicious//
 
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 26, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
Do they make a shirt for every show that was supposed to be? I guess not.
That's strange
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 26, 2011, 01:19:17 PM
I remember talking about the O2 shirts.....can't find the thread, however.  Here is a link to a site that sells them:


http://michaeljackson.shop.bravadousa.com/Default.aspx (http://michaeljackson.shop.bravadousa.com/Default.aspx)


Hope that helps.....have a great day!


Blessings
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 26, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
October 8 and 35, two great connecting dots from MJ to Elvis. Clear as a bell!
Clearly TS is not only a insider, but the man himself. We are truly blessed and honored!

ignisaeternus, it's great to have you back! The book sounds fascinating, and I've long said that volumes and encyclopia could be written
on MJ's life, talent and influence, that are completely ignored by the writers of today. Love your post, and I agree about the possible
sting on rampant pedophilia in the elite of the world because of his deep love for hurting children, which directly fuelled their all-out
attack on him. The outcome will indeed be earth-shattering. Go Michael!
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ignisaeternus wrote,
It is not a hoax book, but man, if you read it and you are a believer in the hoax, so many things fall into place. She uses Michael's art to really point out what he is trying to tell us.  She also, highlights the origin of his initial psychological injury: The Chandler accusations. Especially, she focuses on the stripsearch (which, she points out was like a rape to him- and I always felt that way, too), and how the presence of those pictures has always haunted him, and how he tried time and time again to get them back. She calls them "the Kryptonite to his Superman"- evidence of his humiliation and trauma- out there, unsecured.

Now, many of us have talked before about parallels between the Murray trial and the Chandler accusations as well as the 2005 trial. The stripsearch pictures have been liked to the admission of the (fake, if you are a hoax believer) autopsy pictures.

The reason, I bring this up, is b/c, among other things, the events of 93 are, as I believe, tied to the hoax. Not alone- but as one of the puzzle pieces. The book, investigates other things Michael addressed through his art- and if you read it and are a believer you find that we have talked about many of them.  One of the main topics concerns him being a master prankster and illusionist- a shape shifter (see: Thriller, Ghosts, Moonwalker....)- teaching us lessons about ourselves.

Another piece of the puzzle that has occurred recently, among the discussed tribute details (which are so obvious they simply cannot be a coincidence), the upcoming trial and connected resurgence of the tabloid media and self proclaimed MJ experts (a la Rabbi Boteach) and the old cast of characters (Arni Klein), are articles addressing pedophilia in the entertainment industry.  I find this very interesting, as I still hold to my often stated belief that there is a sting/FBI aspect to the hoax as well. Again, I believe MJ was tied into investigating this monstrosity- and he was attacked for it, and branded a pedophile himself.


I liked one comment on the book link,
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This review is from: M Poetica: Michael Jackson's Art of Connection and Defiance (Kindle Edition)
Michael Jackson has been called the `Greatest Entertainer' the world has ever known. As such, he has been examined from every angle known to man, very few of which had anything to do with who he really was ... until now. Enough has been written about him to fill the Library of Congress ten times over. Sifting through the outright lies, insane innuendo, unverified rumor, unapologetic laziness of our media representatives and unauthorized biographies is, in itself, a full-time job.

Any serious study of Michael Jackson has to begin and end with his artistry, because he was ... and remains ... the consummate expression of his own artistic vision. It has to place him within the racial, cultural, political, national and religious contexts of his times; and it has to show those same contexts as he changed them. Because change them he did. It also has to examine our society's reactions to Michael Jackson and how they changed over time as he progressively gained autonomy over a forty-year career in the sometimes jaundiced public eye. This, Dr. Stillwater has done masterfully.

Dr. Stillwater has picked through all the garbage and gotten to the heart and soul of Mr. Jackson with the same kind of compassion for which he, himself, was famous. She has revealed the entertainment value of his music, discovered the added `punch' of dramatic narrative underlying his short films and hinted at the long-lasting influences other, less intelligent authors completely ignored in favor of repeating the tabloid-esque sensationalism that is ultimately responsible for his demise.

Within the pages of M Poetica: Michael Jackson's Art of Connection and Defiance one meets the ultimate prankster only to find that the joke was always on us, Michael Jackson's audience. My thanks to Dr. Stillwater for an intelligent, well-thought-out, articulate analysis of one of the most under-rated human beings society has ever ignored. I hope that she will continue her analysis with others of his short films and songs in the future. I thoroughly enjoyed this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Poetica-Jacksons-Connection-Defiance-ebook/dp/B004WDRVP8/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 26, 2011, 03:17:36 PM
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If it's going to happen this year, it makes sense to throw us off so that we're not expecting it.

You shouldn't have said this Andrea...now he has to come up with a new plan crash/ and so the game goes on and on.


 
 Michael will not change his plans based on my one little comment.   geek/   He could come back at anytime.

...are you sure suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//  ...?
 lolol/
 
that's an ARG so.....he changes his moves according to our response


Gina girl, you started to make me paranoiac too. :lol: What if he changed the BAM date because TS told us that he is going to BAM till 2013?  suspicious//



 lolol/ JK. I'm sure that he prepared and planned the BAM long time ago and MAYBE very little things are getting changed according to our response, not huge things like the BAM or the trial etc imo.
  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 26, 2011, 03:26:15 PM
and paris 'twitter??

why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
 thank you so much TS really
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 26, 2011, 03:37:40 PM
@minuminu, there's no proof that is actually Paris entering those posts nor that the things being posted are true. The only proof that we have is that the Jackson family apparently endorses the Paris Twitter account and considering they endorse the "death" on 6/25/09... it doesn't mean a whole lot.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 26, 2011, 03:42:04 PM
What's Paris' twitter gotta do with Michael's return?  :?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 26, 2011, 04:04:51 PM
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and paris 'twitter??

why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
 thank you so much TS really

Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: minuminu on August 26, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
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and paris 'twitter??

why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
 thank you so much TS really

Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?
yes!
i believe in hoax but its not same about the return.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 26, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
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and paris 'twitter??

why go on the internet if the father is about to return?
 thank you so much TS really

Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?
yes!
i believe in hoax but its not same about the return.

So there is no need in asking TS, because you wouldn't believe his answer anyway. If you call someone a fraud, don't expect that person to answer our demanding questions afterwards, most certainly not TS.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Thetimehascome on August 28, 2011, 02:31:45 AM
Greetings.  I would like to express my intentions and to clarify that which posted previously.  I had and hope , no intentions to challenge/debunk/question each of you or TS in that which each believe/authenticity/faith.  As my purpose was a twist in the current train of thought that currently exists. 

As, I continue hesistantly will reveal that I beLIEve and have faith that MJ is alive.  I also have been challenged and provoked as to different reasons/theories/TS as to all things why. I have used the knowledge obtained here over last 2 years, that each member as supplied/express/hypothesized upon, incorporated them into my perception and analysis of the events surrounding MJ.  My conculsions are my own, yet influenced by many, that are mine  and ones in which I do not  force others others to believe but to use to obtain a peace of mind among the madness that each of us struggle  each day with.  However that being said,  I know what I believe, and to this point there is nothing short of actually digging MJ up and seeing the " real" dead MJ will ever change.  And again, reviewing reply posts as per to my post, it was never intended to be a interpetated as to put in question TS, his presence or factuality of information pertaining to MJ he has provided.  In fact many of my conculsions use insight supplied by TS.   So I hope this rectifies those misconceptions of my previous post.

What occurred to me that day and of many days prior is the reason I felt the need to post those thoughts.  What you may not know or realize is that I am you and you are me but our difference is that which I wish to convey , a difference which may  provide each of you a peace or perspective as this journey continues.

My message was not of authenticity or ARG's as it ventured into.  I do think that TS is legit, but do not agree with the methods they use to convey the message.  Like each of you as myself, your" faith" borders on obsession, and that which you do believe is so strong, yet so few follow.   You have become an isolated group that bond here in order to feel acceptance for that belief.  This is not a negative thing purely factual.   Over the years there have been countless posts from many questioning one's very sanity in themselves, subilimally reaching out to others who have these and many other feelings that are the same in order to gain some perspective or acceptance in which 99.9% of the world deems insane.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Now that many of you now are angerd by this, let me supply you a few thoughts intended to achieve a clarity as the days continue.  As I did, like you, suffered needless turmoil. This pains me to continue to see when I "check in" here.

The numbers here are less and core remains.  The site has become more of an audience now as theories have been exhausted.  Nothing new, no news, nothing but TS and what he brings.  ARG?  You could debate the validity that each of you participate in one now.  Which coincides with my comment pertaining to method in which TS delievers his revelations.   I believe TS intentions are genuine but perhaps does not realize the effect of the psychological impact he has had on each of us over time.  It is one thing to learn the in and outs of the hoax but yet another to present it in such a way that leave the participants constantly seeking more, continuing to feed the very need one might feel to validate the feeling of belief that one has put their faith in.  A dangerous , emotion filled game.  Simply put....

Tell me I am not crazy. 

I will.  To each of you I say...

You are right.

He is not dead.

You know it, feel and most importantly beLIEve it.

And why I do this is simple.   Now, according to this thread it's 2013...or sometime.. or.....
Let it go and have faith.  Get on with your lives.  Check in, mingle, see the latest "news", as I did not see and like many of you the wasted energy, heartache and  now many ways  the manipulation of your feelings that are very real and yet , perhaps by accident, are toyed with.  TS posted on the 17th, its now the 28th and you wait, wonder and inadvertantly are played.   TS intentions are most likely to slowly reveal things.  Like a good book, suspense.  But that suspense is a taking a toll which you do not truly see and it's affects it has on you.  I didn't see it, but when I did I felt peace inside and no longer felt the need to revolve around this hoax nor it's meanings.

TS why the game?  Why not a new "clue" of the day?  Or a " did you know"?  Obviously you want us to see things but why this way?  A way which DOES have a impact that does not promote well-being but continued turmoil within each of those whom feel "alone".  I do not know MJ, but my instincts say he would not approve.   

So in conculsion, I can hear the naysayers and the responses of "it's an outlet", "we choose to be here", I'm not crazy, you are", yada yada.  I am not saying leave the site or get a life but rather you have a life and you are right and you don't need to feel justicified because in the end the truth will reveal itself.

Please do no berate me or that which I perceive.  I was one of you and only want the best for each of you.  Many will deny the possibility I could be right.  I accept that and to each his own.   But I do this for L.O.V.E   for you to enjoy the life you have and time you have it.   After 2 years I have a peace I wish for each of you.


Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: onthewingsoflove on August 28, 2011, 02:57:52 AM
You said one thing right!

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[blink]"to each his own."[/blink]    lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/



Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 28, 2011, 03:31:42 AM
Thetimehascome: I respect your post and it was very well written. I am a better person for my 2+ years here and I will never go back to who I was before. Life is a personal journey and mine is richer for this one. Thanks for sharing your thoughts but you can rest your mind knowing any concern you have for this one is unwarranted.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 28, 2011, 05:14:08 AM
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Greetings.  I would like to express my intentions and to clarify that which posted previously.  I had and hope , no intentions to challenge/debunk/question each of you or TS in that which each believe/authenticity/faith.  As my purpose was a twist in the current train of thought that currently exists. 

As, I continue hesistantly will reveal that I beLIEve and have faith that MJ is alive.  I also have been challenged and provoked as to different reasons/theories/TS as to all things why. I have used the knowledge obtained here over last 2 years, that each member as supplied/express/hypothesized upon, incorporated them into my perception and analysis of the events surrounding MJ.  My conculsions are my own, yet influenced by many, that are mine  and ones in which I do not  force others others to believe but to use to obtain a peace of mind among the madness that each of us struggle  each day with.  However that being said,  I know what I believe, and to this point there is nothing short of actually digging MJ up and seeing the " real" dead MJ will ever change.  And again, reviewing reply posts as per to my post, it was never intended to be a interpetated as to put in question TS, his presence or factuality of information pertaining to MJ he has provided.  In fact many of my conculsions use insight supplied by TS.   So I hope this rectifies those misconceptions of my previous post.

What occurred to me that day and of many days prior is the reason I felt the need to post those thoughts.  What you may not know or realize is that I am you and you are me but our difference is that which I wish to convey , a difference which may  provide each of you a peace or perspective as this journey continues.

My message was not of authenticity or ARG's as it ventured into.  I do think that TS is legit, but do not agree with the methods they use to convey the message.  Like each of you as myself, your" faith" borders on obsession, and that which you do believe is so strong, yet so few follow.   You have become an isolated group that bond here in order to feel acceptance for that belief.  This is not a negative thing purely factual.   Over the years there have been countless posts from many questioning one's very sanity in themselves, subilimally reaching out to others who have these and many other feelings that are the same in order to gain some perspective or acceptance in which 99.9% of the world deems insane.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Now that many of you now are angerd by this, let me supply you a few thoughts intended to achieve a clarity as the days continue.  As I did, like you, suffered needless turmoil. This pains me to continue to see when I "check in" here.

You are basing this all on your own mental state while being active here, which is unrelevant and not representative. The fact that it became and obsession to you in the way that you could not oversee the reasons for certain events and probably missed out on a lot of things in your private life, does not mean this goes for the majority of this forum. Most of the people on here know exactly what they are doing and have interaction with others about their field of interest. Others choose to watch 'Days of our lives', 'As the world turns', 'The bold and the beautiful' and all the other soap operas they infect the networks with. In the end they spend an enormous amount of time watching and following them all, freaking out if they miss an episode and learn: zero. Instead of spending those hours watching useless television, people on here choose to follow this hoax and everything that comes with it, which includes, but not contains only, TS' posts. In the end they spend the same amount of time on 'media' as 'sane' people as you apparently like to differ us, yet they learn a lot, much more than they have ever learned at any school or university.

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The numbers here are less and core remains.  The site has become more of an audience now as theories have been exhausted.  Nothing new, no news, nothing but TS and what he brings.  ARG?  You could debate the validity that each of you participate in one now.  Which coincides with my comment pertaining to method in which TS delievers his revelations.   

Aren't you happy that the number of people online here is less than a year ago? Seems that a lot of people indeed did go on with their lives and left the hoax to be played out in time. All those that remained are the hard core hoax followers that do not want to miss out on this adventure, an adventure that was an obsession to you and effected your life in a negative way, but for many is a personal, positive, life-changing journey. Who are you to condemn that merely based on your own experience. I have had many negative experiences with men, doesn't mean I am going to forums to tell others to think twice before they jump into a relationship. My experience is not other's experience, just like your obsession is not anyone else's but your own.

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I believe TS intentions are genuine but perhaps does not realize the effect of the psychological impact he has had on each of us over time.  It is one thing to learn the in and outs of the hoax but yet another to present it in such a way that leave the participants constantly seeking more, continuing to feed the very need one might feel to validate the feeling of belief that one has put their faith in.  A dangerous , emotion filled game.  Simply put....

Tell me I am not crazy. 

I will.  To each of you I say...

You are right.

He is not dead.

You know it, feel and most importantly beLIEve it.

Not so much a dangerous game, that's quite the accusation. The fact that you do not understand any of it, does not make it dangerous for the same reasons stated above: your experience is not ours. This hoax takes time and for those who are interested, there is a forum where they can discuss the recent events and follow TS' posts if they like. TS posts are polite, overall formal and informative and in no way did he ever tell us what to do or what to believe, unlike the opposers who are only saying he's is playing a dangerous game, but fail to explain time and time again why.

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And why I do this is simple.   Now, according to this thread it's 2013...or sometime.. or.....
Let it go and have faith.  Get on with your lives.  Check in, mingle, see the latest "news", as I did not see and like many of you the wasted energy, heartache and  now many ways  the manipulation of your feelings that are very real and yet , perhaps by accident, are toyed with.  TS posted on the 17th, its now the 28th and you wait, wonder and inadvertantly are played.   TS intentions are most likely to slowly reveal things.  Like a good book, suspense.  But that suspense is a taking a toll which you do not truly see and it's affects it has on you.  I didn't see it, but when I did I felt peace inside and no longer felt the need to revolve around this hoax nor it's meanings.

TS why the game?  Why not a new "clue" of the day?  Or a " did you know"?  Obviously you want us to see things but why this way?  A way which DOES have a impact that does not promote well-being but continued turmoil within each of those whom feel "alone".  I do not know MJ, but my instincts say he would not approve.   

Who are you to say what the members on here should do with their lives? Each one of us has the freedom to do what they want, read what they want and believe what they want. TS is not the clue-guy, he is the one that is slowly but certainly letting us in on one of the biggest projects in HIStory. If you feel that that is manipulation, then go back to your life, watch the news and soaps and forget about this. This hoax indeed HAS an impact on me, it DOES influence me, but in a GOOD way, and believe me when I say that I do not feel alone in any way. If you look at the forum statistics, I am by far the most online and even I have a life besides this site, so your 'concern' is ungrounded.

I do not know Mike either, but I have a very strong instict and it tells me he would not only approve of this, he would even put it in motion.

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So in conculsion, I can hear the naysayers and the responses of "it's an outlet", "we choose to be here", I'm not crazy, you are", yada yada.  I am not saying leave the site or get a life but rather you have a life and you are right and you don't need to feel justicified because in the end the truth will reveal itself.

Please do no berate me or that which I perceive.  I was one of you and only want the best for each of you.  Many will deny the possibility I could be right.  I accept that and to each his own.   But I do this for L.O.V.E   for you to enjoy the life you have and time you have it.   After 2 years I have a peace I wish for each of you.

We know we are right, thank you. But we do not take the easy way and let it play out, we want to know every detail and be educated. If you are so concerned about people's well-being, I think you are better off conveying your message on a 'World of warcraft' forum, I heard there are pretty serious addiction problems going on, and all they will get in the end is a new game to get even more addicted to. We have a higher goal and we will be here and support Michael any way we can. Go back to your peace and quiet life. If you had such problems being here, you shouldn't have returned. It's like an alcoholic that goes to a bar. But in a way I have the feeling that your sole reason for being here is to discredit TS like you probably did before, yet with a different tactic. Not working. Know that I will not tolerate manipulation of the members to have them turning against TS, without valid argumentation. I have not seen one in the past 2 years and you did not succeed either.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: RK on August 28, 2011, 08:19:29 AM
[urbandictionary]Birds of a feather flock together.
[/urbandictionary]
Hello Thetimehascome. While I concede we may be at times some strange birds, we are all different. It is unfair of you to generalize and lump us all together like that.
We are from all over the world, coming from different life experiences, from differing faiths, and yet we are here for Michael. I want to put your mind at ease. Don't fret yourself that I am suffering and my mind is in turmoil. Please know that my mind knows how to keep it's peace. I LOVE this hoax and this adventure. I even go so far to say that I have fun...yes fun, as well as gaining an invaluable education. You may choose to take a plane trip and arrive at the same destination as the rest of us come BAM day, but I'd rather stick to the old hoax train with the other travellers, and get to savour all the vistas and changing scenes along the way.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 28, 2011, 11:08:07 AM
Mo?   :shock:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 28, 2011, 12:19:35 PM
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Mo?   :shock:

No, MO left the hoax.
But I admit I had the same feeling for a sec.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 28, 2011, 04:50:58 PM
@ Ginafelicia
 
I know, Hun, that she left the hoax... but this person also says they did... but came back...
Anyway, this was just a joke from me...  bounce/ 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 29, 2011, 12:05:49 PM
TS are you MJ?
We don't really know so , just in case you are......Happy birthday bearhug

@Verylittlesusie is that a pic made by you?!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 29, 2011, 12:17:47 PM
Anyway, I just wanted to say that MTV Romania had all day dedicated to MJ and, as difficult as it is for me to watch, because it makes me cry so bad, i watched it and I saw again that Crime Scene describing what was told it happened that day and how the paramedics worked on Michael for 20 minutes but they knew he was already dead when they arrived and how Murray insisted they take it to UCLA because he didn't want Michale to be pronounced dead  under his care and how at UCLA they tried to bring him back and worked on him for anothe hous but he was gone.....It was hard to see but it reminded me of the threads where you made us talk about what was in the ambulance, a corpse or a dummy or nothing and I still don't have an answer.

Then there was about people who workes with MJ and I liked Akond when he told a little story about how they went to a 4D movie and they were talking during the movie and he called him Mike and a little girls almoste recognized Michael who was supposed to be disguised and Akon noticed so he started calling him Dave instead of Mike lol, I really liked this one...

Anyway, the day is almost over here but it was so full of emotions, maybe even more than in the last years.



Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 29, 2011, 12:23:03 PM
Well this is the video I liked:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHaUsuanVfQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: BeTheChange on August 29, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day? 

Have one for me TS!

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: dragonflylilies on August 29, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
@thetimehascome, thanks for your post and welcome back if you plan on staying.  I kinda know what you are saying with having to leave the site for a while.  I did find myself on this site all the time and I felt I was neglecting my family in the process.  I did have to take a step back and try to live the life that I had before all this had happened.  I have always believed in the hoax and I didn't stray when I was away from the site.  But, I felt myself getting more engulfed with depression over losing him.  I was looking for clues in my small town and my husband was starting to get irritated by it all.  He's not a Michael fan so I felt like I was in this on my own.  The only way I could connect or express my feelings was to get on this site and post away.  I took a month of from posting.  But, I would still come on the site and read but I wouldn't post.  Whenever I was on the computer I would also type in Michael's name on Yahoo, just to find out if there was any new info.  So, thetimehascome, I kinda know where your coming from.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 29, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
I have not abandoned my personal life, i think we all know manage our time :roll:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on August 29, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
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Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day? 

Have one for me TS!

With L.O.V.E. always.

The day is not over yet my friend it is not evening yet in LA ..... I will wait and watch.


Happy Birthday MJ  with much love xxx

 bearhug

Keep watching  :-*
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 29, 2011, 05:19:53 PM
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Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day? 

Have one for me TS!

With L.O.V.E. always.
I think this is the day for him to relax and receive our love and wishes! TS,
 bearhug
Quote
Souza,
Others choose to watch 'Days of our lives', 'As the world turns', 'The bold and the beautiful' and all the other soap operas they infect the networks with. In the end they spend an enormous amount of time watching and following them all, freaking out if they miss an episode and learn: zero. Instead of spending those hours watching useless television, people on here choose to follow this hoax and everything that comes with it, which includes, but not contains only, TS' posts. In the end they spend the same amount of time on 'media' as 'sane' people as you apparently like to differ us, yet they learn a lot, much more than they have ever learned at any school or university….
Who are you to condemn that merely based on your own experience. I have had many negative experiences with men, doesn't mean I am going to forums to tell others to think twice before they jump into a relationship. My experience is not other's experience, just like your obsession is not anyone else's but your own.
You said it very well Souza, good points! Aint it the truth! Even my own family have tried to talk me out of coming here sometimes, they
say out of concern  :x . They simply can't figure out why I love coming here so much, and suspect something unhealthy. I guess it ought to be against the law to be having too good a time or something. Heaven must be an illegal place! :lol:   I can add to your list of things people (I know people who do each of these.) spend huge blocks of daily time away with--all kinds of reality TV, facebook, video games, casinos, hobbies, gardening, church involvement, excercise, reading, going to clubs, watching sports, and much more.  So have they spent their time more wisely than us or are more productive in the long run? I've done all of these things except casinos and clubs and I can tell you they are enjoyable yes, and I still do some of them on a limited scale, but they are nothing on the level of excitement and personal satisfaction of what we've experience here for these 2 years. 


 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: TS_comments on August 29, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
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Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!



I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
 
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
 
- Halloween 2009
 
-January 2010
 
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?


My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
 
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?

Thank you

Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.
 
Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts.  Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!"  Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.
 
Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Andrea on August 29, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
Yes TS, even Murray said "keep the faith" in that latest TMZ video...

And now I have to stay up for at least another hour, thanks TS.  :roll: :lol: I had hoped Michael's 53rd (5+3=8!) birthday would break your silence.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: paula-c on August 29, 2011, 09:23:19 PM
I will not sleep yet ... bounce/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: brunob12 on August 29, 2011, 09:27:45 PM
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Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!



I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
 
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
 
- Halloween 2009
 
-January 2010
 
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?


My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
 
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?

Thank you

Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.
 
Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts.  Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!"  Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.
 
Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.
 
 
 
 

Oh great, here I am, going to bed later than I had to go  :lol:

I thought the redirect would be today... missed by a day.
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: TS_comments on August 29, 2011, 09:42:13 PM
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"four years" from 2009....it's not the number is it TS? That word is also spelled, "fore".
"Fore" is an adverb meaning: in front of, before, earlier, etc.


The statement by MJ "We have four years to get it right."  It's not four, it's fore.  "We have fore years to get it right."
Fore years prior to 2009 is 2005...the year of the trial.  Study the fore years...the years prior to 2009. 


I like this post, TS.....thanks for a bit of "summer school"... I have some more thoughts, but will have to continue later....life is calling! Blessings to you always......even if January 1, 2013 comes about!


Have a beautiful day.

If you check the closed caption on the TII DVD, you should find the spelling of "four" and NOT "fore".  There is, of course, an interesting four year connection from 2005 to 2009; but four years forward (inclusive) is primarily what is being referred to: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.  Also, Paris just verified the year 2012 on her Twitter--which my next redirect will be about, stay tuned.   bounce/

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 29, 2011, 09:56:28 PM
I'm tuned TS....no worries there, lol.  Yes, I realized the "fore" was a stretch....however, I suppose that's what this is all about.  Thinking things through all the way, from all possible angles.  While we are on the subject of inclusive numbers....how would Michael count his age?  Would he count it 53 or 54.....with inclusive numbering (just curious, really......maybe I'm older than I think  :lol: ).  Looking forward to your redirect.  I am sure it will be interesting!  Thanks for the response...I appreciate you taking the time for it.


Have a beautiful day!
Blessings Always
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 30, 2011, 01:49:45 AM
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I'm tuned TS....no worries there, lol.  Yes, I realized the "fore" was a stretch....however, I suppose that's what this is all about.  Thinking things through all the way, from all possible angles.  While we are on the subject of inclusive numbers....how would Michael count his age?  Would he count it 53 or 54.....with inclusive numbering (just curious, really......maybe I'm older than I think  :lol: ).  Looking forward to your redirect.  I am sure it will be interesting!  Thanks for the response...I appreciate you taking the time for it.


Have a beautiful day!
Blessings Always

I know what you were thinking-- that anything we are told could have some understanding/interpretation from way out in left field that no one thought of, another level of thinking that in some ways nullify things, or change it cryptically into something unexpected or the exact opposite. That's what I always keep in the back of my mind. Perspective is everything.  My math major son told me about fractals and the Mandelbrot Set  geek/ crash/ afraid/  about infinite possibilities.
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GBwuYuOOs[/youtube]
http://www.misterx.ca/Mandelbrot_Set---Thumb_Print_of_God.html (http://www.misterx.ca/Mandelbrot_Set---Thumb_Print_of_God.html)
 
Sorry, I think I need to go to bed! :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: _Anna_ on August 30, 2011, 01:50:29 AM
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Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!!  Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended.  I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!



I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.
 
-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?
 
- Halloween 2009
 
-January 2010
 
- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?


My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.
 
How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?

Thank you

Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.
 
Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts.  Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!"  Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.
 
Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.
 
 
 
 
I digg into everything, always, and if I doubt that doesn't mean  I search to find things to doubt no matter what. In this whole situation, these 2 years, I learned to doubt everything, to not take it and run with it without questioning. I never mean to be disrespectful either, but some people are different. After all, all of us are. I am a person who dissects everything, turns it on all sides and I never trust anything completely. Maybe only my own sister and mother. So when I ask questions it means I do care. Because if I didn't care I would ignore.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: mikesexyjackson on August 30, 2011, 02:08:06 AM
I totally agree with you Souza. Everyone can come here and discuss if one likes to. It was in the contrary very comforting for me to come here and find so many people thinking alike. Grief has passed away and I have much fun on here, although it's of course all very sad. But we can give hope to each other. We see things that others don't see, which I don't understand, why they don't see it. I thought from the first moment, that couldn't be true. I mean Michael Jackson did always things, that nobody else did, didn't he? ::P
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 30, 2011, 03:17:58 AM
Cold logic usualy wins.
What we have in this hoax are mainly symbols.
A logic of "symbols" that might not pass the cold logic test. But that's what makes this a great adventure and I'm sure everybody here agrees we had an amazing ride.
Anna I guess there is not so much time left and we'll know.

2012 is coming soon and by the end of it we'll have (one more afraid/) answer.





Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 30, 2011, 04:56:09 AM
@Anna, I don't know if this is anything remotely like what TS has in mind, but my thoughts on the seemingly changing Bam dates go like this: when MJ started this hoax, brilliant though he is, he couldn't have predicted precisely what the world's reaction would be. If the media and the public at large had straight away said, 'oh, come on, MJ's at it again, we know this is all fake' there wouldn't have been much point in carrying on with it.  So those possible dates, to me at least, and of course this is just my opinion, are there because he could 'come back' on any date in fact, if he's 'found out', so to speak.

Also, if there is an ARG element in all this, and I think there most definitely is, then presumably he could also end it at any time he chooses depending on any number of circumstances, world, family, personal. He has to have all bases covered.

(I still can't find out, by the way, how other ARG's have 'ended' - do they just peter out, does the originator reveal all, what happens to stop people 'playing' the game???  I'd like to know that.)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 30, 2011, 06:44:52 AM
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@Anna, I don't know if this is anything remotely like what TS has in mind, but my thoughts on the seemingly changing Bam dates go like this: when MJ started this hoax, brilliant though he is, he couldn't have predicted precisely what the world's reaction would be. If the media and the public at large had straight away said, 'oh, come on, MJ's at it again, we know this is all fake' there wouldn't have been much point in carrying on with it.  So those possible dates, to me at least, and of course this is just my opinion, are there because he could 'come back' on any date in fact, if he's 'found out', so to speak.

I totally understand where you're coming from curls. And it is possible that he didn't chose any date to BAM. BUT why does he say "We have 4 years to get it right" in TII which brings us to 2012? And now TS says that he will be back till the end of 2012 which is also confirmed by Paris. So, if you ask me Michael prepared everything perfectly and he decided about the BAM date from the beginning which is going to be in 2012. Then why TS told us about the possible BAM dates? In my humble opinion it could be a little trick to keep us on track. Would everyone wait this long if TS wrote that MJ will BAM in 2012 in his first possible date "prediction"? ;)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 30, 2011, 07:27:26 AM
Oh yes, PureLove, I wasn't suggesting MJ doesn't have a preferred Bam date in mind, but that wouldn't stop him having contingency plans for 'unforseen circumstances' though would it?  Which is where those other suggested dates may come in. Even before all this recent 2012 talk, TS has always said there's a date beyond which the hoax won't go. It was never open-ended.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Happy100 on August 30, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Guys, this is the thought that is going through my mind. What is it that Michael is working on that would put him out of the spotlight(dead to the world) for 4 years from the later part of 2008 to the year 2012, what big project(or worldwide project) that he is working on that will take that long to complete. And why would he need for the world to believe that he has died for this to take place. Is there a time limit on what needs to be done and it comes up in 2012.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Happy100 on August 30, 2011, 01:52:20 PM
Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We  need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: InPotencyToYourAct on August 30, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
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Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We  need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.

Some time ago I found this interesting article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 30, 2011, 05:47:09 PM
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Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We  need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.

I agree. Michael’s mission and message was a reaction on the failed global CO2 reduction agreements in the Climate Change Kyoto and Copenhagen conferences in 2009. The governments failed, so, we have to wait a few years till the next conference (a conference call meeting an idea? much less CO2 emissions). In the meantime, precious time will be lost and nothing will be done. No drastic actions, laws etc., NOTHING. Michael’s approach in This Is It is more personal, his quote: 
Quote
"And the times has come, This Is It. People are always saying,'They'll take care of it. The government'll--Don't worry, they'll--' 'They' who? It starts with us. It's us. Or else it'll never be done... We have four years to get it right. After that it would be irreversible. Let's take care of the planet."
is much more effective and achievable. It is reality, it’s the truth! Wrapped in a monologue expressed passionately by Michael is definitely captivating. I’ve noticed that his quote is popular on the internet. I don’t need to see tabloids copy&pasted, though the “It Starts With Us” quote must be spread all over ASAP.
Still, imagine Michael wants awareness and an active reaction. We are aware now, we want to take care of the planet and we want to act now… but how, what do we have to do to get it right? There are so many things in our way of living which we can change easily for the benefit of the earth. I can think of a few things, though I guess there are many people in this world who are willing to make that change, but simply don’t know how.. Shouldn’t there be a sequel on this call for awareness “It Starts With Us..”, which is a call for action, something like:  “… NOW, Lets Get Started..”. Michael, please, we need you on this, YOU are the one who can bring this message with so much love, passion and conviction, which is heart&mind touching.
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: PureLove on August 30, 2011, 05:58:11 PM
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Oh yes, PureLove, I wasn't suggesting MJ doesn't have a preferred Bam date in mind, but that wouldn't stop him having contingency plans for 'unforseen circumstances' though would it?  Which is where those other suggested dates may come in. Even before all this recent 2012 talk, TS has always said there's a date beyond which the hoax won't go. It was never open-ended.

I agree curls. Probably he is making small changes in the plans according to our or the media's reaction. We shouldn't forget that there's an ARG side of the hoax. I'm not so sure if he specified a couple of BAM dates and decided to BAM when the time is right. I think he decided for the year 2012 to BAM from the beginning and other dates that TS mentioned was for us not to lose our interest in the hoax. But of course your theory is very plausible too.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 30, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
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Guys, I just found something that you would find very interesting. We all know that Michael loves nature and the planet. And he wants us to save the planet before it is too late. Remember the Earth Song. Well I was doing some research and came across something pretty interesting. There was a schedule meeting with the UN in January of 2009 in regards to The Kyoto Protocol Treaty(this treaty deals with climate control and emission of carbon into the air). Well this treaty was signed in 2002 and guess when it expires( you guess it 2012) and there was a Climate Summit schedule in Copenhagen regarding changing the existing treaty. The meeting in January of 2009 did not do too well with the amendments and I think that Michael was banking on the"concert to promote this issue to his millions and millions of fanbase. His last campaign/tour was for Global Warming. He knew that with him going on tour to promote this that everyone would listen to him because evidently our leaders are not listening to the people. THIS IS IT means exactly what it states. This is our last chances as mankind on this planet to correct the damage that we done. We have to learn to love one another and by doing that we will learn to love our planet. Love has be found in the inner self before we can move forward. Michael may have been doing some research on the climate for a very long time(probably mostly during his many tours). Michael was willing to step back into the spotlight to this important message. We  need to step back and see what forces that be(evil ones) that do not want Michael to succeed. He maybe threaten from all sides of the opposition. We do not know what the situation is with Michael, there are some people out there that do not want any change to occur.

Some time ago I found this interesting article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change)

@ImpotencyToYourAct, interesting article, thanks. I think Michael must have read this article too and supports the ‘grandfather of climate change’. 
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“The difficulty of this problem [of global warming] is that its main impacts will be felt by our children and by our grandchildren. A mother tends to be concerned about such things."[/size]
 

 
True, I'm concerned. We are responsible for what will happen sooner or later.
 
I think this example is a step in the right direction: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/02/carbon-nation-february.php (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/02/carbon-nation-february.php)
 
L.O.V.E.
 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: SimPattyK on August 30, 2011, 09:57:35 PM
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[...]
Getting back to the Elvis connections: the redirect for yesterday (August 16) was a statement by LMP at Graceland {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20123.0.html)}.  Most of the connections there were discovered, and commented upon in that thread; but let me review them here, and add a few points.

“ ‘I'll see you next August.’  What does that sound like? --> I'll see you in July!” {lilwendy}.

“ ‘Elvis Through His Daughter's Eyes’ … this made me think of Jermaine's book ‘You are Not Alone: Michael: Through a Brother's Eyes’.” {Sarahli}.

“Maybe LMP's ‘entire family’ will include her father.  Elvis fans deserve a BAM too!  They've certainly been waiting long enough.” {Andrea}.
 
“ ‘...which as you all know as the 35th anniversary will be special time’  To me this was interesting. Why is the 35 anniversary special?” {GINAFELICIA}.

The “entire family” if taken literally, would have to include Jesse/Elvis—since he is still alive.  Why is the 35th anniversary special?  Because he will then be 77 years old, the same number as the “death” year (8-16-77).  Also because it will be exactly ten years after the 25th anniversary, when Dr. Hinton said Elvis would be “coming out” at Graceland.  And because “3+5=8” {Yambo3003}; of course 8 is the key number in the Elvis numerology.

It will also be in the year 2012, which we all know by now is a major year in MJ’s hoax (“four years” from 2009, and 911 call at 12:21, FBI files, etc).  Of course even if there is an Elvis BAM: he would not be performing again, or even seen in public (other than maybe at Graceland next year).  Now I am not saying with any certainty that Elvis will BAM on 8-16-2012; but I am saying that if he ever does, that would be a very likely time.  Anyone who has read his book knows that Jesse himself would like the general public to know the truth {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,16148.0.html)}; but he has pressure from family, and especially EPE.

Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! [...]
Hello everyone ! :)
This is my first post on this forum... I finally managed to register, but I've been following TS messages for some time!

Regarding MJ & Elvis - numerology connections and a possible double BAM in 2012 based on these connections, I've found some more clues which I added to those already existent, and I made some photo-montages...

This is also it:

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/615/mjelvisarealive01.jpg)

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2706/mjelvisarealive02.jpg)

(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2017/mjelvisarealive03.jpg)

Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 30, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
It would seem that all the 2012 dates favor Elvis (8 ), not Michael (7).


Those are great photo montages, SimPattyK, welcome to the forum.


I agree with whoever brought up that the false alarm BAM dates (Halloween 09, Jan 2010, summer 2010, etc) were probably included to keep our interest in the hoax. If we were looking at only
hints of a possible comeback of 2012 in July of 2009, I think we all might have given up and gone home after the burial.


2012 sounds a million years away, still. We are looking at trial starting within days. 2012 to me means Murray is to complete trial and then some...


and then some? Some what? What comes after trial? Has anyone speculated on this possibility? What happens if Murray is acquitted (or convicted) and Michael isn't back yet? I don't think I've seen a theory yet that includes a scenario after trial. This is fairly uncharted theory territory  :? 
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: wishingstar on August 30, 2011, 11:01:27 PM
Hello and welcome SimPattyK.....


Great to have you here.....and great first post!  I love the numbers.......they are such a road-map to me for some reason.  Thanks for pointing those out....it's amazing to see them all together like that.


Hope you enjoy it around here...looking forward to your posts!


Blessings to you!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Andrea on August 31, 2011, 08:08:20 AM
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It would seem that all the 2012 dates favor Elvis (8 ), not Michael (7).


Those are great photo montages, SimPattyK, welcome to the forum.


I agree with whoever brought up that the false alarm BAM dates (Halloween 09, Jan 2010, summer 2010, etc) were probably included to keep our interest in the hoax. If we were looking at only
hints of a possible comeback of 2012 in July of 2009, I think we all might have given up and gone home after the burial.

2012 sounds a million years away, still. We are looking at trial starting within days. 2012 to me means Murray is to complete trial and then some...


and then some? Some what? What comes after trial? Has anyone speculated on this possibility? What happens if Murray is acquitted (or convicted) and Michael isn't back yet? I don't think I've seen a theory yet that includes a scenario after trial. This is fairly uncharted theory territory  :? 

Uncharted territory, yes.  And maybe that's the point.  We've been waiting for over two years for not only Michael's return but for this trial to happen and the general consensus has been - the trial must happen then Michael will come back.  But what if he doesn't right away?  How much longer can this trial be delayed and once it starts, how long will it last?  IF Murray is found guilty and Michael doesn't pop out and say "here I am!", what will happen?  We'll keep watchin' I guess.  If Murray is found guilty and we know he's not because Michael is alive then it would show a miscarriage of justice, a big FAIL to the whole court system for finding an innocent man guilty.  It's happened before.  But I'm starting to over-speculate now.  And I agree with you that the previous potential BAM dates were a way to keep us here, I can see some believers hearing 2012 in 2009 and saying "nuts to this".  But the hope that everyday is a possible BAM day keeps us here and if we need to wait longer, fine, I'll still be here.  And just think - none of us would "know" each other if not for Michael and his hoax. 
 
P.S. @ SimPattyK - awesome post, love the numbers!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Mish1981 on August 31, 2011, 09:26:28 AM
Just thinking out loud and perhaps someone can help on this thought because I can't completely wrap my head around it. If Murray goes to trial and let's say he's found guilty, Michael afterwards comes back, how has the justice system failed? Does it happen yes all the time, but if the courts (in this particular case with Murray) only go by what information they have then I'm confused. They didn't investigate if MJ was still alive or not, this is completely done with the speculation that he is in fact dead.

Another thought: Perhaps that's the point. The evidence is so skim, one thing is contradicting another therefore the investigation wasn't done completely.

Ah that whole process was enough to give me a headache.

Sorry for rambling.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 31, 2011, 10:26:28 AM
Mish, ramble away...


If Murray is found guilty, when Michael comes back, just by virtue of not being dead, he will prove that the justice system is broken.


But is that a goal?


The justice system never failed Michael. It was the media and the investigators (DA's office) that failed Michael. And the people... who followed the media as if it were the Pide Piper.


So when looking for possible targets of a sting operation, I tend to focus on the media and the people.... and this being a hoax court... since the guard has long been changed at the DA's office.


But anything is possible. Michael can prove anything he wants to prove, just by not being dead as most believe him to be, depending on how he has written the script.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Mish1981 on August 31, 2011, 10:35:52 AM
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Mish, ramble away...


If Murray is found guilty, when Michael comes back, just by virtue of not being dead, he will prove that the justice system is broken.


But is that a goal?


The justice system never failed Michael. It was the media and the investigators (DA's office) that failed Michael. And the people... who followed the media as if it were the Pide Piper.


So when looking for possible targets of a sting operation, I tend to focus on the media and the people.... and this being a hoax court... since the guard has long been changed at the DA's office.


But anything is possible. Michael can prove anything he wants to prove, just by not being dead as most believe him to be, depending on how he has written the script.

Your right he certainly can! I am still trying to wrap my head around things that's all. I know the media is at fault on so many levels not just for MJ but anyone else they decide to target.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: curls on August 31, 2011, 10:50:16 AM
I have many thoughts about the trial filed away in my brain. I hear what you're saying Bec about us never really venturing beyond the trial, but I think I'm going to leave my thoughts where they are for now.  The trial has yet to start and until it does, I remain sceptical about it EVER happening, not because I'm being negative, but because I think there are many reasons why it might not.  It's all rather unknown territory isn't it?
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: bec on August 31, 2011, 11:15:11 AM
You're right curls, it is all unknown territory. Perhaps that's one of the reasons for the lack of conjecture after the trial... because there is still debate over whether it will ever even take place.


Hopefully we will find out the answers to this question, and more, very shortly.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Sarahli on August 31, 2011, 01:18:02 PM
Just adding another thought.. let's imagine that the trial takes place (and TS seems confident about that) and let's imagine that Murray is found guilty and goes to jail ... if we consider the possibility of a hoax/sting court then maybe that Murray will not really go in jail but we will be made to believe so. Another hoax in the hoax so to speak, that will somehow be useful to make things last longer because Murray will make an appeal ... etc.
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: MJonmind on August 31, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
The whole difficulty of this hoax is the unpredictable nature of the script that MJ has written, and the nature of
reality/illusions/lies. And there is absolutely NOTHING that is out of bounds happening. Like--MJ would never do this or that... mj_bad/

If Murray is convicted he will go to prison most likely--so would we have pics and video of him there conversing with gaurds
   and other inmates, including more hoax clues? Exposing real prison problems?
If he is acquitted--I guess the fans will continue to be enraged, and he will stroll the streets with his nongrowing child.
There's still more MJ projects coming right--10 in 7 years? Albums, videos.
The tribute will happen with many more ongoing dots to connect.
Front and TS will occasionally post to encourage us on and not feel abandoned.
The news world and entertainment business will continue to give snatches of Michaelisms to make us perk up our ears.
Hoaxers will find more dates and numbers that work out as having 7, 9, 8, 117, 24, etc. significance.
At least now we have a deadline from TS, Jan. 1, 2013 for the BIG event.
Will we continue to see above hoax-type connections even after 2013?

I agree with PureLove that the so-called false Bam promises/predictions that have come and gone were to keep us from giving up too soon, before
we realized the extreme depth and far-reaching involvement of this hoax/ARG. michael-jackson/

The justice system is broken, the media world is broken, the entertainment business is tired and supersaturated, the governments are bankrupt,
children are continuing to be abused, the earth is not keeping up with man's use of its resources, religions may blend as this generation just wants
love and freedom not more control, on and on.
There has been and always will be good people, evil people, and good people can become evil, and vica versa.

Bottom line, I love Michael, I love being here, and will keep on watching because I haven't got a clue what's going to happen down the line. fresse/
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: SimPattyK on August 31, 2011, 02:33:58 PM
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[...]Those are great photo montages, SimPattyK, welcome to the forum.[...]
Thank you!
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Hello and welcome SimPattyK.....
Great to have you here.....and great first post!  I love the numbers.......they are such a road-map to me for some reason.  Thanks for pointing those out....it's amazing to see them all together like that.
Hope you enjoy it around here...looking forward to your posts!
Blessings to you!
Thank you, that's nice! yes I like the forum ;) Much LOVE to you!
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[...]
 P.S. @ SimPattyK - awesome post, love the numbers!
Thank you! And yes, numerology is the BEST proof ever that both Elvis and Michael are ALIVE, for all the obvious reasons! But most important: because it shows how everything was planned to the date and hour and minute!
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Flaviuxa on August 31, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
Put some more of your work , especially the one with the clothes ... 2005 vs 2010 ... all of them actually !
 moonwalk_/    +     elvis_/  =     bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: SimPattyK on September 01, 2011, 01:49:28 AM
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Put some more of your work , especially the one with the clothes ... 2005 vs 2010 ... all of them actually !
 moonwalk_/    +     elvis_/  =     bearhug
lol :) Ok I will ...  ;)
Title: Re: TIAI August 17
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 22, 2011, 08:07:15 PM
@simpattyk

your facebook pics are great! i look forward to seeing more from you.

L.O.V.E
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