Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Death Certificate, The Autopsy Report & The Will => After June 25, 2009 => The Coroner and Autopsy Report => Topic started by: all4loveandbelieve on June 19, 2011, 06:29:43 PM
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If you cannot stand the sight of blood, this picture is very graphic.. Not for everyone. Actually I want to faint.
I will just put the link, I do not want to post the picture , I do not even know if it is real or a fake. I know there are about 12 comments about this picture.
I hope it is not Michael, actually it can be anyone, you do not see the face.
Let me know what you think.. I personally think it is a fake photo.. blessings.
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Sooooo photoshopped.
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I'm confident that that is not real and I sincerely hope people don't start believing that it's Michael Jackson.
Blessings.
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As far as I remember Michael's nipples are not that big and dark :lol:
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The ear is in a strange postion compared to where it seems to be the chin....anyway you can't see the face too much...I hope it's photoshoped :cry:
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They would not do an autopsy with his wig on.. Not MJ
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It's absolutly false ! Too much ppl around the table. The wrong cut for a correct autopsy. They use normaly the Y cut for the chest, not this cut from the neck down....i never saw and heard that !
The chest is absolut empty.....this is unpossible !
I am sad for all those ppl who believe this is real and they a shocked....that's so tasteless !
IT'S ALL FAKE !!!
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I´ve seen this photo several times and I´m pretty sure that this is not Michael.
It´s just a poor fake.
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This is sooo tasteless, i think this is another attentionseeker who wants his 5minutes of fame. U cannot see even his face!IMO This is either a poorly done photoshop or another person!
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This picture is old. On August 28, 2009 Craig Harvey replied after badkolo send him the picture:
It is not a picture taken at our office. None of the protective apparel worn matches what we wear and the water faucet is brass and everything in our office is stainless. We do a “Y” incision on the body and this is a straight line incision. There is a person in the background wearing civilian clothes with no protective apparel which we would not allow inside of an autopsy suite. The sides of the autopsy table are higher than ours and it appears to be a fixed table and all of ours are slightly slanted and on wheels.
My opinion is that the photo is not authentic and I base that on the area of the photo where the brain is being removed and there is “blood” on the lower portion (top) of the brain, but the upper (bottom) of the brain is “blood” free. The person’s hands are “blood” free and there are dark lines under the decedent’s neck area with whatever is under the neck/head area. The removal of the brain would not be quite so tidy.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
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Thanks Souza. Just the thought this could have happened to him (I mean to be cut like that for an autopsy) makes me sick.
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Thanks Souza I knew this picture was a fake. Thank you for clearing it with us.
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This brings me to my college days when he was forced to watch atópsias 3. I was a bit traumatized at the time because it is very sad and very cool to see how people handle a corpse, you just think: I do not want to do this to me or anyone else that I love.
I remember to see this picture in a blog here in Brazil last year. The conclusion was of even photoshop. In this photo is all too clean. My opinion is that they have an assembly from an anatomy book.
People should not play like that with something so sad.
And Gina, unfortunately no other way. If a person needs to go to autopsy, regardless of whether one is a billionaire or mending, this is even your end: naked on a cold table, bleeding from his chest and skull cut in half closed.
At this time we have even more sure that we are all equal and none is better than anyone. :(
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I know Ana but I hate the idea that this could happen to Michael....I hope not. If he has to die some day I hope there won't be the need for an autopsy .... it's terrible....imagine to have those doctors taking out his brain.....ahhhhhh :(
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Who the heck is the owner of this blog?
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Question: WHY WOULD THE COURT GO AS FAAAAAAR TO SHOW THE AUTOPSY OF "MJ"TODAY, BUT DURING THE FUNERAL KEEP THE CASKET CLOSED?! Makes no sense! Jane Valez Mitchell made a good point by saying that since MJ was a very private person, how would he react to ppl exposing his "dead body"?! Makes no sense. She then also expressed the fact that many still beLIEve that MJ is alive, but "99.999% he's actually dead" . I didn't like that @ all :'(
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How can anyone explain this in terms of the hoax????
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How can anyone explain this in terms of the hoax????
Have faith LittleSusie and remember everything that we have learned in the last two years.
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Michael's not dead - it's fake.
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I haven't seen the picture, was it so real that people are starting to doubt the hoax? I'm afraid I have to agree with VeryLittleSusie in this, to me personally it's going all a bit to far. And I'm afraid that non-believers and the rest of the world are mad like crazy if Michael 'bams' after 'betraying' them so much :'( :-\ Even if he has good intensions with this.
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How can I have faith?? Although his body is not cut (like they usually do during autopsy) it is absolutely deprived of any dignity! Would Michael allow for this? He, who was being photographed in the police after the allegations? This was too painful for him! Would he show himself naked to the whole world??
This is something that can turn a hard-core believer into non-believer! I am utterly shocked and disgusted!
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Michael's not dead - it's fake.
Andrea, Sweetie, where do you take your strength from...?? I am completely lost!
/overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/
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where's the photo???? :cry: :cry: :cry:
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How can I have faith?? Although his body is not cut (like they usually do during autopsy) it is absolutely deprived of any dignity! Would Michael allow for this? He, who was being photographed in the police after the allegations? This was too painful for him! Would he show himself naked to the whole world??
This is something that can turn a hard-core believer into non-believer! I am utterly shocked and disgusted!
Which is the exact reason we have been preparing ourselves for this for over two years. My personal thought: Michael was humiliated when the photos had to be taken back in 1993. There is a difference, a few actually, one: he didn't want those photos taken and it wasn't his doing. Two: Those were photos that no person should be made to do, and he was terrified that they were going to be shown to the entire world. Who in their right mind needs photos like that? Thirdly: we didnt' see anything except for what we would see if he was wearing underwear or swim trunks.
That photo was hard to see at first but as I said in my first post, we have to remember everything that we have learned in the last two plus years. We've been preparing for things like this.
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Michael's not dead - it's fake.
Andrea, Sweetie, where do you take your strength from...?? I am completely lost!
/overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/
I don't know, it's just there and I know he's alive. I didn't mean to sound short in my above post, I'm at work and someone came up behind me so I quickly posted, LOL.
We were expecting an autopsy photo and an autopsy photo is what we got. If MJ can pose or fake a photo in a hospital gown, he can in his underwear as well. It's shock value, and a test of faith for believers. Don't believe everything you see... ;)
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The body does not have a tummy button !
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I will risk and post it here. Mods, please take it down if you think this is what should be done.
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They showed that in court?! pale/
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And don't forget an important point the date is wrong on this photo /bravo/ how is this possible seriously ?
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How can I have faith?? Although his body is not cut (like they usually do during autopsy) it is absolutely deprived of any dignity! Would Michael allow for this? He, who was being photographed in the police after the allegations? This was too painful for him! Would he show himself naked to the whole world??
This is something that can turn a hard-core believer into non-believer! I am utterly shocked and disgusted!
Oh technically he may well have been cut and the image photoshopped before showing to court. Would explain the missing bellybutton, too. Quite a shocker.
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On the other hand it kind of reminds me of when he did the movie The Wiz....there was a part in the movie (he played the scarecrow for those that don't know) when they took him apart and pulled all of his "stuffing" out of him trying to get Dorothy to give up the ruby slippers.
....odd I know, but it was the first thing I thought of.
...going back to my puke bucket now pale/
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I've just seen the photo on TMZ(they are bastards, how can they post this photo and put it on the first page!!) , i was nearly to cry when i heard about the autopsy photo, my heart stopped for a moment but when i saw it, i was relaxed, it's not Michael, it's not his face, one can see it clearly, even the eyebrows are different.
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The fact that the judge allowed the photo to be presented is for me proof that it is all hoax more than that MJ is dead.
I still cannot see the purpose of showing the photo to the jury.
I think it would be of great value for prosecution as long as it shows MJ was in perfect health. Does it show MJ was in perfect health? for me, not in particular, the body seems thin, pale and....stretched :D
As I understand it is still possible for the judge to delete/hide/make some stuff not publicly available (look at some of Connie interview with LAPD when some of the stuff was not allowed). So, what was the reason for him to allow this?
The judge knew the trial will be televised and the photo will be published all over the net. So, unless it gives a lot of sense and value to the jury to allow it, then it makes no sense for me why the judge allowed it in court (at least this is my way of thinking).
We are dealing here with human being that was known globally, that had family, kids...
Makes no sense for me, actually pretty cruel if you ask me to show it like this, if the man, of course, was dead. :D
P.S. just look at majority of comments on TMZ...
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A comparison of michael's bellies. I darkened the autopsy photo. For comparison - Anne Leibovits photo. it IS HIS BELLY!
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Michael's not dead - it's fake.
Andrea, Sweetie, where do you take your strength from...?? I am completely lost!
Sorry to interfere... But if you asked me that question, the first answer would be GOD, that kind of strength to go through this kind of tough moments, always comes from GOD.
@VeryLittleSusie: try to do this imagination-game: Get the HOAX out of your head, imagine Michael was really dead, imagine nobody has ever spoken about the hoax! You don't even know what the word hoax means! DELETE everything from your head, anything that has happened in these past 2 years.
Think only of Michael and what the Media and the people behind Tom Sneddon did to him, especially between 1993-2005.
Think only that the family lawyer declared the ambulance photo is a fake.
If Michael is dead and a lawyer publicly declares that the photo is fake, then as a non-beliver I would logically conclude think that the media again sells B.S., especially since we know that it was taken by a paparazzi [let alone the fact that he was a friend of Michael's lmao :)) ]
The same for the 2nd picture which looks even more fake than the ambulance pic and of course for this 3rd picture which is as surreal as the 4 gallons of ingested/injected Propofol!!! lmao :)
So you see, believer or non-believer, we all should see that all the 3 pics of "dead-Michael" are FAKE !! They are fake either because Michael is alive or if you think from the non-believer perspective: it's just photo-shopped sensationalist mass-media B.S. !!
Now back to the BELIEVER's perspective and to logic thinking!
1. If photo 1 is FAKE
2. If photo 2 is FAKE
3. Photo 3 must be real ?
How come? :shock: :!: Makes no sense ! :idea: geek/ albino/
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I resized it a bit - I mean it was too stretched. Now it looks more like Michael! I mean - it's not so thin..
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I didn't know about this picture before but now I've just seen it and sincerely IDK... it might be fake. I truly hope it's fake. I mean, everyone who has some vague idea of how to use Photoshop can manipulate a picture. I'm still troubled though. Right now, the only thing I know for sure is that the person who first posted this picture online has no respect for Michael's family and no heart.
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pardon me if this is rude if it actually is a body, but....it looks like a prosthetic body used for a CSI or alien t.v. show. the "person" in that photo is terribly thin. while there were shots of michael (some believe it was a double, my head is confused on that) showing him as thin (orange pants), there were other shots of him looking bigger and healthier. for example, there is that little clip of michael dancing with his choreographer in front a mirror just practicing. in that clip, which is assuming that it was filmed during or around the time of TII, michael looked much fuller and healthier. If that clip was filmed in June, it is almost impossible that he would become that skinny and his entire frame shrink. that "body" would not be able to rehearse that intensely- dancing and singing for hours, raise/play/educate 3 young children and conduct his day-to-day businesses.
also, if this is the end for people, then you must think the jacksons are one of the worst families to ever exist. with all the present tense speech, the inconsistencies when they are supposedly honoring michael (i'm thinking of the forest lawn shot-WRONG freeway- in the jackson reality show), joe laughing days after michael's passing, his promotion of his record label days after his death, the kids spending the first anniversary of their father's death in hawaii, keeping michael's grave isolated from fans whom i bet he'd want to be surrounded by,etc would be simply deplorable if michael had passed.
i believe the jacksons are one of the strongest, smartest families. katherine would not allow any of the children or joe dispresct michael in such ways. the trial is a trial for not only the media, the fans and the world but also for US. if you think post-bam the world is going to be filled with sunshine, flowers and giggles you should think again. yes, it'll be joyous, but it ain't going to be easy. we're on trial here. a trial of our loyalty and faith. chins up!
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I didn't know about this picture before but now I've just seen it and sincerely IDK... it might be fake. I truly hope it's fake. I mean, everyone who has some vague idea of how to use Photoshop can manipulate a picture. I'm still troubled though. Right now, the only thing I know for sure is that the person who first posted this picture online has no respect for Michael's family and no heart.
The judge actually allowed it indirectly to happen, by allowing the photo to be presented in a televised trial.
This is why I think it is all hoax :mrgreen:
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The one thing that keeps me alive yet is the fact that michael could DELIBERATELY pose to this picture for the purpose of the hoah. He can even have his panties under the black square...
I sincerely hope this is his biggest role - his main OSCAR role in this hoax. When you play a role in the film you have to do many different things.. even play dead. This is the only thing that still holds me here.
I mean the fact that the date is fake and he looks here pretty much alive - I mean his body. The bloodstains and body marks can be simply the make up...
The question is: WOULD HE GO THAT FAR?? crash/
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And don't forget an important point the date is wrong on this photo /bravo/ how is this possible seriously ?
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A big Amen to that one /bravo/
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I didn't know about this picture before but now I've just seen it and sincerely IDK... it might be fake. I truly hope it's fake. I mean, everyone who has some vague idea of how to use Photoshop can manipulate a picture. I'm still troubled though. Right now, the only thing I know for sure is that the person who first posted this picture online has no respect for Michael's family and no heart.
The judge actually allowed it indirectly to happen, by allowing the photo to be presented in a televised trial.
This is why I think it is all hoax :mrgreen:
I agree with this. Why would they put this on television for the whole world to see. Or at least, the whole U.S. They didn't show Nicole Simpson's body, or Ron Goldmans. They had the pictures there for the jury to see, but they did not show it on t.v. I think it's for a hoax purpose.
Now, I know that there really is a Conrad Murray...right? No Way he could be MJ...right? Only reason I question it was what was said on that tape about Paris. "She is like my daughter" Not, she is like A daughter, but she is like MY daughter. Intersting, no? But I think it has been proven that there really is a Conrad Murray and there is no way he could be MJ. Still, it makes you wonder.
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I didn't know about this picture before but now I've just seen it and sincerely IDK... it might be fake. I truly hope it's fake. I mean, everyone who has some vague idea of how to use Photoshop can manipulate a picture. I'm still troubled though. Right now, the only thing I know for sure is that the person who first posted this picture online has no respect for Michael's family and no heart.
The judge actually allowed it indirectly to happen, by allowing the photo to be presented in a televised trial.
This is why I think it is all hoax :mrgreen:
You're right. The more I think about it, the more I'm convicted the picture (as well as the whole trial) is a fake. What would be the point of showing those pictures in court? I seriously doubt that this could be of any help to prove whether Murray is innocent or guilty of the crime he's accused of.
I suddenly felt relieved. :mrgreen:
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The way this case is exposed makes me think of possible hoax among other things, like MeandMyShadow feels too, it's just too exposed.
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Cmon seriously, do those legs look like someone who dances alot? I see barely any muscle...they look like twigs...
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Is it just me, or is that body missing a belly button?
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Besides the wrong date, which is totally unprofessional - especially in a high profile case. Look at his legs. Are those the legs of the guy who danced his whole life AND the night before? Where's the dancer muscle tone? And his skin colour - MJ was snow white to begin with, how is it he has a tan here and not blue-ish in colour? Remember he's been dead for hours by this point.
Note* they did say this pic was taken before the autopsy began. Hence the no Y incision.
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Is it just me, or is that body missing a belly button?
Yes I noticed that, too. MJ's belly button would be a dead give away. No pun intended.
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If the other two photos were fake then this one is also fake. Also, someone mentioned that TMZ had posted it on the front page ! TMZ is definitely part of the hoax. If it was real I don't think they would have the heart to post it. They put it on because "It is fake". It is going to take more than a photo to cause me to change my mind. You can't rely on photos these days. They can be tampered with. We have to do more research about it before we jump to conclusions. Michael is "alive". Keep the faith.
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They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!
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Ah, so sad to see people losing faith. When I saw the picture while working out at the gym, I immediately said to myself "Why does he still have tape over his nose during an autopsy?" I can understand why people would feel the need to lost faith, question, or believe he is gone. But in all honesty, why come here if you lost faith?
I look at it like this. We have come too far in two years to simply give up or to believe a picture. So far we've seen TWO fake pictures. Why would this be any different? We must not give up in our quest for the truth and for Michael's mission.
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Let's see. For those who believe the picture is real. First, I ask that you look at the face. For Michael to be so emaciated and unrecognizable, he looks pretty full and healthy in the face. Plus when his body was found wasn't he in the process of rigor mortis? Second, the picture of him lying on the gurney shows him very pale and again healthy looking, and in that picture didn't he look like he shrunk? In this picture he looks tanned and healthy again.
How come the non-believers or those who lose faith refuse to see these facts? This isn't denial, this is something that needs to be addressed. This is a real life Thriller and the film that Michael always wanted to make. Plus why is Michael wearing a wig in the autopsy picture? I thought he was balding?
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I've just seen the photo on TMZ(they are bastards, how can they post this photo and put it on the first page!!) , i was nearly to cry when i heard about the autopsy photo, my heart stopped for a moment but when i saw it, i was relaxed, it's not Michael, it's not his face, one can see it clearly, even the eyebrows are different.
Exactly! I wrote the same thing in the chat. Eye-brows and eyes look totally different to me. That's not Michael.
The date on the picture is wrong. 08.25???
And again I wrote in the chat that there will be believers who will lose their faith. I can see that I wasn't wrong. Can not believe they lose it with a picture after finding thousands of things. Interesting to say the least!
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Wow 2 pages already. OMG! My winning formula -------> Michael IS alive = autopsy photo is fake .... /woohoo/
Why do you think we have not be shown anything to that sort before? It would have been too early and shaken the faith of many. The timing has also to be considered here, no coincidence. Plus, this picture shouldn't even be allowed to be showed during the trial especially knowing that it is televised. I mean the judge seems to be quite strict with his admonitions to the jury to not go on twitter, internet and so on BUT he allows this to happen???? NO way it is a coincidence! All planned by Michael!
We have to keep in mind ALL the pieces of the puzzle found so far in order to understand the big picture. Dissecting one piece without analyzing/connecting it the other pieces will lead to confusion and induce a lack of faith or total despair. The pieces have to be connected and KEPT ASSEMBLED together as we march on...........................................
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Is it just me, or is that body missing a belly button?
I can see the belly button. It's too bright coz of the flash tho.
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I think about another Michael's message..... ;) do not stop at appearances, do not believe to bangbang the media.... crash/ ...
Keep the faith..our king is close to us !! /cook/ bearhug
moonwalk_/
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There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive.
- oh for me this time is long gone and guess not only for me, it's murder investigation that
lead to doubts because I still refuse to believe everything can be so fake for real and
everyone can be so shamefully corrupted and unprofessional.
Guys, guys, what I wanted to say - if we deal with hoax, it's more serious than "I love to scare people, but just for fun!"
It's not for fun most likely, it's serious. If he had to go that far, it's because he had to.
I even doubt it was his choice! Most people think he is dead and all that is SO very painful for them.
I do think hoax was a way to save life or lives, his own or his family maybe, and I don't think he's giggling behind the camera
...and no way he would jump out wearing sparkly fedora at the trial end mj_dance/ .
Hoax is totally possible, autopsy pic or not, but I suspect it has darker reasons than "just for fun".
..don't hate me. /white flag/
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while this photo could be extremely depressing it the first few seconds, there are some things to keep in mind:
1. they also showed a "body" when elvis "died" (and it was even in the cuffin).
2. apparently there are no HQ photos in this trial, no clear pictures what so ever. as you all know, the year is 1995. HQ cameras haven't been invented yet.
NOT.
3. this body's nose is once again covered with a white tape. as we all know, corpses are unable to pass on to the other side without tape glued across their noses. what a coincidence it is that the one face feature that michael was so recognized with remains covered in all the photos.
4. michael has vitiligo, it was known that he still had some body parts (mostly the ones who were covered with clothes) that remained dark. this body is completely white.
5. do you see a dimple in this dude's chin? cause I don't.
6. SINCE WHEN do they show celebrties Autopsy photos??? this whole thing is a circus!
7 (the magic number). am I the only one who's thinking about the infamous oxygen chamber photo? think about what MJ is trying to tell us with this - not all things are what they seem! just becuase someone tells you this is MJ's autopsy photo, it doesn't mean it actually is!
and on another note: Israel is celebrating today, after it was publish a few hours ago that gilaad shalit, the war prisoner who was in captivity for the last five years is coming home. these are the biggest news we got here in the last decade. I can't even begin to explain how huse this is. all I'm saying is that these are magical times we live in.
don't stop believing in magic!
there's just one sentence I can think about right now, don't know why: "remember remember, the fifth of november".
it's coming.
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3. this body's nose is once again covered with a white tape. as we all know, corpses are unable to pass on to the other side without tape glued across their noses. what a coincidence it is that the one face feature that michael was so recognized with remains covered in all the photos.
LMAO! Hilarious! lolol/
You know what? La Toya is chatting about her favourite food on Facebook right now! The fans are outraged! In fact this is the only thing that convinces me a bit today that this photo must be fake.
As to the question about "why come here if you are not a believer?"-posted above. Well, the autopsy photo has just been published, so I didn't have time to pack my bags yet. :roll:
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A comparison of michael's bellies. I darkened the autopsy photo. For comparison - Anne Leibovits photo. it IS HIS BELLY!
That is what I was noticing. Where is his navel in the autopsy photo? And I still don't see where he is bald either.
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I do not believe this is a dead Michael Jackson otherwise I would not be here, if it was we would be living in one sick world where they put it out there on the front page of TMZ...
I have to remind people who think that we just cannot 'let go and accept reality' that I, like many people here, have never been a Michael Jackson 'fan', sure I liked him as much as the next person, but I would have not felt bereft should he have died in June 2009. I am simply here, again, like many others, because it is OBVIOUS something is up and his death just doesn't not make any sense! I suggest those who would like to continue patronising us do a little research before feeling too sorry for us.
Peace.
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The fact that the judge allowed the photo to be presented is for me proof that it is all hoax more than that MJ is dead.
I still cannot see the purpose of showing the photo to the jury.
I think it would be of great value for prosecution as long as it shows MJ was in perfect health. Does it show MJ was in perfect health? for me, not in particular, the body seems thin, pale and....stretched :D
As I understand it is still possible for the judge to delete/hide/make some stuff not publicly available (look at some of Connie interview with LAPD when some of the stuff was not allowed). So, what was the reason for him to allow this?
The judge knew the trial will be televised and the photo will be published all over the net. So, unless it gives a lot of sense and value to the jury to allow it, then it makes no sense for me why the judge allowed it in court (at least this is my way of thinking).
We are dealing here with human being that was known globally, that had family, kids...
Makes no sense for me, actually pretty cruel if you ask me to show it like this, if the man, of course, was dead. :D
P.S. just look at majority of comments on TMZ...
I agree completely....when you look at the photo in conjunction with the testimony of Christopher Rogers, there was no need to even show the photo to the jury. He did not explain anything in the photo, nor did he refer to it in an medical terms. THIS WAS FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT and nothing more.
To be honest, Michael doesn't even look dead...carefully "made up", but not deceased...this body still had an "aura" (body of light/energy).
I have no doubt it's MJ in the photo....but he ain't dead! IMO :D
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Yep it is him.
The old bold frail man they took to the hospital.
Sorry guys
Game over
/toldya/
But I still want to know
Who the hell was Dave Dave!
/pull hair/
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VerylittleSusie:
bearhug
This is no reason to lose faith.
It was announced long time ago.
It has a purpose.
"whatever happens, don't let go of my hand".
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I FOR ONE GIVE UP...THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS.....
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But I still want to know
Who the hell was Dave Dave!
/pull hair/
:lol:
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I FOR ONE GIVE UP...THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS.....
Bleu, NOOOOOOOO. :cry: Not you girl. Come on now. It's not him in the picture. Do not give up. At least just wait till the trial ends.
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ow just for the record
the autopsy was 26-6
the coroner just told that in court /judge/
or not?
mj_dance/ mj_bad/ mj_bad/
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PLEASE BE AWARE TO ALL READERS THAT THE LINK AT THE TOP OF THIS SUBJECT DOES NOT SHOW THE EVIDENCE PICTURE THAT WAS SHOWN IN COURT!!!!!
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I see the wound on the left leg from the spider bite. How is that explained? Come on guys help me out here. I’m beginning to feel a little faint. I’ve seen an autopsied body before, and this picture gives me chills. I didn’t know about this picture before only the other one.
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I FOR ONE GIVE UP...THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS.....
Bleu, NOOOOOOOO. :cry: Not you girl. Come on now. It's not him in the picture. Do not give up. At least just wait till the trial ends.
THE SPIDER BITE..the belly ..the legs the hands..the skin texture..everything shows clearly it's him...to me it's him....this hoax has an end for me..I mean where's that TS that Back that Front now?how they explain this photo!????
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left or right leg, damn I can’t even think straight. I need some time to deal with this one.
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Whilst the autopsy itself was done on 06/26/2009, the body was received by the coroner on 06/25/2009 which is more than likely when it would have been photographed. If you missed the audio from the start of the afternoon session direct examination by Mr. Walgren to Christopher Rogers, they confirmed that on closer inspection of the picture, the date DOES read 06/25/2009 and NOT 08/25/2009
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Wrong information tmz.Not naked afraid/ !
Private part is not in sight :D
But this is what the world wanted to see.
Not?
But just another fact.
Does a coroner take a picture from above hanging on the ceeling?
Guess he does that only when it is Michael Jackson. lolol/
What a great view!
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They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!
LMAO!
And yes, Love4MJ thanks for the kind words but I think I'm staying in the game til the end!
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The fact that the judge allowed the photo to be presented is for me proof that it is all hoax more than that MJ is dead.
I still cannot see the purpose of showing the photo to the jury.
I think it would be of great value for prosecution as long as it shows MJ was in perfect health. Does it show MJ was in perfect health? for me, not in particular, the body seems thin, pale and....stretched :D
As I understand it is still possible for the judge to delete/hide/make some stuff not publicly available (look at some of Connie interview with LAPD when some of the stuff was not allowed). So, what was the reason for him to allow this?
The judge knew the trial will be televised and the photo will be published all over the net. So, unless it gives a lot of sense and value to the jury to allow it, then it makes no sense for me why the judge allowed it in court (at least this is my way of thinking).
We are dealing here with human being that was known globally, that had family, kids...
Makes no sense for me, actually pretty cruel if you ask me to show it like this, if the man, of course, was dead. :D
P.S. just look at majority of comments on TMZ...
You're absolutely right about the photo looking stretched. They made him look like an alien or a smashed bug on a windshield or something. It just didn't look like Michael. But I must admit, after seeing the photo, I literally cried a bit. :'( It hurts.....but then again, there's just SOMETHING IN MY HEART AND SOUL THAT WON'T ALLOW ME TO ACCEPT THAT MJ is gone. Something.... michael-jackson/
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The pic doesn't even look like MJ! His legs are too skinny and his eyes/forehead don't look like MJ's. This could either be a mannequin or an actual imposter who may have died from AIDS or something. There's no way a real court would allow that pic to be shown to the general public.
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(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/godzcanes/fat_lady_sings.jpg)
NOT!
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(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/godzcanes/fat_lady_sings.jpg)
NOT!
/bravo/
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OMG! IF YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS MICHAEL, I AM GOING TO PULL /pull hair/. COMMON GUYS, THAT IS NOT MICHAEL. WE SAW MICHAEL ON JUNE 24, HE DID NOT HAVE THOSE SKINNY LEGS, NEITHER HIS ARMS THAT SKINNY. THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL WHO DIED THAT DAY. PLEASE LISTEN TO ME, I AM A VERY INTUITIVE PERSON, AND I HAVE STRONG VERY STRONG FEELING MICHAEL IS ALIVE.
THIS PICTURE CAN BE AN IMPERSONATOR, AND OR THOSE PROSTHETIC MAKE UP... THIS IS NOT THE END BUT THE BEGINNING.. LOOK AT THE PICTURE VERY CAREFULLY, BEFORE YOU MAKE A DRASTIC DECISION, AND MAY REGRET LATER.
TS PLEASE HELP US HERE... I KNOW THAT IS NOT MICHAEL I FEEL IT, AND I WILL NOT GIVE UP, EVEN IF MURRAY GOES TO JAIL, I KNOW DEEP DOWN MICHAEL IS ALIVE!!!!!
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Wrong information tmz.Not naked afraid/ !
Private part is not in sight :D
But this is what the world wanted to see.
Not?
But just another fact.
Does a coroner take a picture from above hanging on the ceeling?
Guess he does that only when it is Michael Jackson. lolol/
What a great view!
BUT YOU SEE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO SEE HIS PRIVATE PARTS,( I AM NOT BEING PERVERTED NOW) BECAUSE, WHEN MICHAEL WAS ARRESTED FOR MOLESTATION, GAVIN ARVIZO STATED THAT MICHAEL USE TO GO TO THE WASHROOM WITH OPEN DOOR AND HE SAW A BEAUTY MARK ON HIS PRIVATE PARTS. SO THAT WOULD A GOOD WAY OF FINDING OUT IF IT IS REALLY MICHAEL.. YOUR BEAUTY MARKS IN YOUR BODY DOES NOT GO AWAY..
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Can anyone here remember where the picture came from of Michael looking at a copy of himself laying down? was it in TII im sure i remember kenny o in the picture. If anyone remembers the pic im talking about or has a copy could they post it on the forum? cos that was the first thing that sprang to my mind when i saw the autopsy picture.
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Dear TheMoonIsDancing: You are free to laugh if you wish. I'm here to help anyone that needs support when they begin to realize the seriousness and truth about this horrific situation. Michael J. Jackson died due to the neglect of one Dr. Conrad Murray on June 25, 2009. Elvis hoaxers are still waiting for him to appear but we realize that he is dead. Jim Morrison is dead. And yes sadly, Michael Jackson is dead. Blanket's face told the whole story at the Tribute Concert. Just remember that its okay to change your mind or change your perspective.
I am available for anyone who needs support.
I would like to ask you if you have read everything we found in this forum from the past 2 yrs? I do not think so.. because if you did you would have not reacted this way.. Maybe we will be here for you when Michael comes and say Pica boo I am here.. I am very positive and have tremendously faith in the good Lord and i feel it in my bones the Michael is alive. blessings.
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OMG! IF YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS MICHAEL, I AM GOING TO PULL /pull hair/. COMMON GUYS, THAT IS NOT MICHAEL. WE SAW MICHAEL ON JUNE 24, HE DID NOT HAVE THOSE SKINNY LEGS, NEITHER HIS ARMS THAT SKINNY. THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL WHO DIED THAT DAY. PLEASE LISTEN TO ME, I AM A VERY INTUITIVE PERSON, AND I HAVE STRONG VERY STRONG FEELING MICHAEL IS ALIVE.
THIS PICTURE CAN BE AN IMPERSONATOR, AND OR THOSE PROSTHETIC MAKE UP... THIS IS NOT THE END BUT THE BEGINNING.. LOOK AT THE PICTURE VERY CAREFULLY, BEFORE YOU MAKE A DRASTIC DECISION, AND MAY REGRET LATER.
TS PLEASE HELP US HERE... I KNOW THAT IS NOT MICHAEL I FEEL IT, AND I WILL NOT GIVE UP, EVEN IF MURRAY GOES TO JAIL, I KNOW DEEP DOWN MICHAEL IS ALIVE!!!!!
I just looked @ the photo again for the 3rd time today....how'd they pull off the pigmentation in his skin?I know I sound stupid in asking that because make-up can make things happen. Secondly, I do remember in TII he was wearing skinny jeans...his legs did look quite skinny in the movie. I'm reading the other posts and I'm praying that this is not really Michael. Plus, what is that red thing on his chest? What is that white thing going across his face and why is it there? :(
Anywho, just to lighten the mood up a bit, here's something that was placed in the book "You are not alone". Perhaps this will help some:
"To take a picture
is to capture a moment,
to stop time,
to preserve the way we were,
the way we are.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words...
So with these photographs,
I will recreate some wonderful ,
magical ,moments in our lives.
Hopefully this journey into the past,
in picturesque form will be a stimulant,
to create a brighter successful tomorrow"
-Michael Jackson
:'( <----me
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8/25 is my birthday... how strange is that? Most definitely the wrong date. Another point someone made, the autopsy report stated that Michael was bald on top of his head and had tight short curls towards the bottom of his head, yet in this photo Michael has a full head of long straight hair. We can only assume it is a wig, because the autopsy report clearly states that 'long straight hair' is not his natural hair. So what? Michael was sleeping... With his wig on? And if he wasn't (because who sleeps with wigs on?) somehow they decided to fasten it on his head while "rushing" him to the hospital? Well alright then... That doesn't quite make sense to me. Any ways a few other points; many people say there is no belly button, I can most definitely see a belly button, there is a belly button. A damn, Michael was rocking a six-pack before he died? That is a wonderfully strong core muscle right there; solid abs right there. Just like a dancer. Umm a few thoughts, this does indeed happen to look like Michael to me, and it happens to look like a fit and strong Michael to me as indicated by his ab-tastic muscles. I don't know what else is going on, but it looks like Michael to me, is he dead in the picture? I do not know. But man, 8/25? That is the wrong date, and can anyone see if it says 2009? Because I can't tell. But you don't usually wait two months before giving an autopsy, do you?
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I posted this in the TIAI thread, but I will post it here too:
Okay, so I did a little de-sqeezing and I think this is more accurate:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/autopsy_pic_streched.jpg)
I think they sqeezed it horizontally to make him look skinnier (well I think more narrow defines it better, because he sure doesn't look skeletal). By de-sqeezing it, his body looks way more in proportion. I don't think mine is 100% accurate, but the shoulders are broader, the neck shorter and the body looks more in proportion, so I think it's at least a lot closer to accuracy than the original. And if this is really his body anno 2009, I must say he looks pretty damn fine for a anorexic junkie...
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Can anyone here remember where the picture came from of Michael looking at a copy of himself laying down? was it in TII im sure i remember kenny o in the picture. If anyone remembers the pic im talking about or has a copy could they post it on the forum? cos that was the first thing that sprang to my mind when i saw the autopsy picture.
I know there was one from the "Leave me alone" video where he staged a copy of his body, not sure if there was one from TII. :|
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I showed this picture to my doctor friend, he said, it is a fake.. First of all, when you do autopsy on a person you cut a person into a V shape from the neck half way to the waist. The doctor said he did autopsy to the heart he had a great heart so tell me if he is not cut how did they check the heart, the lungs etc.. If you see the picture he has a gun shot wound in the middle of his chest. Thanks to my friend who saw. This is a person who got shot in the chest, or a prosthetic picture make believe it is Michael. Now I will post a picture the real autopsy.. It may be graphic, believe me I got squimish. At least it will make us understand once in for all it is not Michael
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Wrong information tmz.Not naked afraid/ !
Private part is not in sight :D
But this is what the world wanted to see.
Not?
But just another fact.
Does a coroner take a picture from above hanging on the ceeling?
Guess he does that only when it is Michael Jackson. lolol/
What a great view!
Very good point, this photo was taken from the top, which was mounted on a ladder to make the picture? To me it doesn t scare me for nothing that photo
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I showed this picture to my doctor friend, he said, it is a fake.. First of all, when you do autopsy on a person you cut a person into a V shape from the neck half way to the waist. The doctor said he did autopsy to the heart he had a great heart so tell me if he is not cut how did they check the heart, the lungs etc.. If you see the picture he has a gun shot wound in the middle of his chest. Thanks to my friend who saw. This is a person who got shot in the chest, or a prosthetic picture make believe it is Michael. Now I will post a picture the real autopsy.. It may be graphic, believe me I got squimish. At least it will make us understand once in for all it is not Michael
I was wondering what is the wound on his chest smiley_spider /cook/
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left or right leg, damn I can’t even think straight. I need some time to deal with this one.
Ok, everyone here read autopsy? It's online like forever, and, according to it, there are plenty
of photos of the "body" taken before, during... well, and during autopsy. I have no desire to
see "during" photos, just because.
If this "body" is not MJ, then they HAD to make it look like him, accurate to description in autopsy {heh
heh, though he doesn't look like 50 y.o. male to me at all! :roll:} and description has spider bite
and basically everything real MJ had on his body - all scars etc. It must be accurate anyway!
It won't be believable if they put some chubby red-haired librarian in there, right? He had to
look real.
If this is MJ posing - well, of course spider bite is there!
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Paula way back when it was said they bruised his chest from CPR....not done by Murray of course. Hey everyone didn't TS say it was going to get worse before it gets better. This was an eye opener, but common sense tells you something is up with the incorrect date and the body structure. Not necessary to loose faith, we have come along way with "The Man" we still have a path to travel before it's over. So get back in the saddle and let's ride! Take care, Love to All
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I showed this picture to my doctor friend, he said, it is a fake.. First of all, when you do autopsy on a person you cut a person into a V shape from the neck half way to the waist. The doctor said he did autopsy to the heart he had a great heart so tell me if he is not cut how did they check the heart, the lungs etc.. If you see the picture he has a gun shot wound in the middle of his chest. Thanks to my friend who saw. This is a person who got shot in the chest, or a prosthetic picture make believe it is Michael. Now I will post a picture the real autopsy.. It may be graphic, believe me I got squimish. At least it will make us understand once in for all it is not Michael
Thank you so much for clarifying that @all4loveandbelieve. I was wondering what that was ....:( I'm glad someone clarified that bc I just called some of my family on thoughts on the photo which made things no better...and I'm sitting up here literally sobbing. :'( Anywho, thanks again. Your posts are always motivational and provide hope as well as faith. ;))
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I showed this picture to my doctor friend, he said, it is a fake.. First of all, when you do autopsy on a person you cut a person into a V shape from the neck half way to the waist. The doctor said he did autopsy to the heart he had a great heart so tell me if he is not cut how did they check the heart, the lungs etc.. If you see the picture he has a gun shot wound in the middle of his chest. Thanks to my friend who saw. This is a person who got shot in the chest, or a prosthetic picture make believe it is Michael. Now I will post a picture the real autopsy.. It may be graphic, believe me I got squimish. At least it will make us understand once in for all it is not Michael
Thank you so much for clarifying that @all4loveandbelieve. I was wondering what that was .... :( I'm glad someone clarified that bc I just called some of my family on thoughts on the photo which made things no better...and I'm sitting up here literally sobbing. :'( Anywho, thanks again. Your posts are always motivational and provide hope as well as faith. ;))
Glad I was of help.. keep the faith dear, it is easier to give up then to continue going. If you need to talk you can always count on me.. blessings.
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I showed this picture to my doctor friend, he said, it is a fake.. First of all, when you do autopsy on a person you cut a person into a V shape from the neck half way to the waist. The doctor said he did autopsy to the heart he had a great heart so tell me if he is not cut how did they check the heart, the lungs etc.. If you see the picture he has a gun shot wound in the middle of his chest. Thanks to my friend who saw. This is a person who got shot in the chest, or a prosthetic picture make believe it is Michael. Now I will post a picture the real autopsy.. It may be graphic, believe me I got squimish. At least it will make us understand once in for all it is not Michael
Thank you so much for clarifying that @all4loveandbelieve. I was wondering what that was .... :( I'm glad someone clarified that bc I just called some of my family on thoughts on the photo which made things no better...and I'm sitting up here literally sobbing. :'( Anywho, thanks again. Your posts are always motivational and provide hope as well as faith. ;))
Glad I was of help.. keep the faith dear, it is easier to give up then to continue going. If you need to talk you can always count on me.. blessings.
Thanks! bearhug Much appreciation.
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If you cannot stand the sight of blood, this picture is very graphic.. Not for everyone. Actually I want to faint.
I will just put the link, I do not want to post the picture , I do not even know if it is real or a fake. I know there are about 12 comments about this picture.
I hope it is not Michael, actually it can be anyone, you do not see the face.
Let me know what you think.. I personally think it is a fake photo.. blessings.
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Old news. Fake
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I posted this on the TIAI thread but thought it should go here too:
To me it looks like there is an image of a face photoshopped along his chest and down his abdomen. Almost like the image on the Shroud of Turin…but not exactly the same face. Here are the two pics below to compare:
The Shroud of Turin parallel is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin
It is a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have suffered physical trauma in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, northern Italy. The image on the shroud is commonly associated with Jesus Christ, his crucifixion and burial. The origins of the shroud and its image are the subject of intense debate among scientists, theologians, historians and researchers.
There is a lot of debate as to whether the Shroud is authentic or if it is a fake….just like there is about this supposed autopsy picture of Michael!!!!!!!!
There is no way I am going to lose faith due to this picture. We know the ambo pic is fake, we know the death picture on the gurney is fake, we know so much about this entire thing is fake…so why wouldn’t this one be fake as well?
The media are gorging on this picture like the vultures they are.
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If you cannot stand the sight of blood, this picture is very graphic.. Not for everyone. Actually I want to faint.
I will just put the link, I do not want to post the picture , I do not even know if it is real or a fake. I know there are about 12 comments about this picture.
I hope it is not Michael, actually it can be anyone, you do not see the face.
Let me know what you think.. I personally think it is a fake photo.. blessings.
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Old news. Fake
I know dear, this post was done couple months ago.. This is not news to me.. Thanks to point it out..
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I know it's difficult to compare side by side because of the angle (done on purpose I'm sure), but maybe we can see something we're missing.
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I posted this on the TIAI thread but thought it should go here too:
To me it looks like there is an image of a face photoshopped along his chest and down his abdomen. Almost like the image on the Shroud of Turin…but not exactly the same face. Here are the two pics below to compare:
The Shroud of Turin parallel is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin)
It is a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have suffered physical trauma in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, northern Italy. The image on the shroud is commonly associated with Jesus Christ, his crucifixion and burial. The origins of the shroud and its image are the subject of intense debate among scientists, theologians, historians and researchers.
There is a lot of debate as to whether the Shroud is authentic or if it is a fake….just like there is about this supposed autopsy picture of Michael!!!!!!!!
There is no way I am going to lose faith due to this picture. We know the ambo pic is fake, we know the death picture on the gurney is fake, we know so much about this entire thing is fake…so why wouldn’t this one be fake as well?
The media are gorging on this picture like the vultures they are.
Wow...ok, that is really "freaky"! I can see the image that you are talking about, it is very clear! Regardless of any of this, I just don't get any "feelings" that Michael is dead. This picture is "sad", but IF it is Michael, he isn't dead and the photo has definetly been "altered". The other option, is that this is a staged "replica body" ,( like the one from Leave Me Alone), of what Michael would look like if he were dead.
It has been quite a day today, but I will not lose Faith! We can't forget what we have uncovered over the last 2+ years...Michael is ALIVE, and the Truth Will Prevail in due time.
Just think, most of the world believe he is dead, and after releasing this picture, it seems like we are losing some of our "Believers", so even more people think he is dead, which will make Michael's BAM even more shocking, then it would have been before this pic was released!
I'm sure before this trial is over, our "Faith" will be tested even more, but we can't lose hope family!
I Love you all so very much!! Here are a bunch of hugs for all of you having a rough time right now!
bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug
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Sorry if this is off topic but did anyone else find the coroner to be like a doctor out of a horror movie? When he first took the stand today my first thought was this was the stangest man I have seen! His movements seemed over acted. His speech slow and quiet, he never looked up, always down or to the side. He seemed to be the typical autopsy doc portrayed in "B" rated movies! Did anyone else see this?
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Sorry if this is off topic but did anyone else find the coroner to be like a doctor out of a horror movie? When he first took the stand today my first thought was this was the stangest man I have seen! His movements seemed over acted. His speech slow and quiet, he never looked up, always down or to the side. He seemed to be the typical autopsy doc portrayed in "B" rated movies! Did anyone else see this?
I will say he acted a little strange to me, I just chalked it up his line of work and maybe he was nervous about testifying not only in court but knowing the whole world is watching. Did I read too much into that? lolol/
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I posted this in the TIAI thread, but I will post it here too:
Okay, so I did a little de-sqeezing and I think this is more accurate:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/autopsy_pic_streched.jpg)
I think they sqeezed it horizontally to make him look skinnier (well I think more narrow defines it better, because he sure doesn't look skeletal). By de-sqeezing it, his body looks way more in proportion. I don't think mine is 100% accurate, but the shoulders are broader, the neck shorter and the body looks more in proportion, so I think it's at least a lot closer to accuracy than the original. And if this is really his body anno 2009, I must say he looks pretty damn fine for a anorexic junkie...
I posted this in the TIAI thread, but I will post it here too:
Okay, so I did a little de-sqeezing and I think this is more accurate:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/autopsy_pic_streched.jpg)
I think they sqeezed it horizontally to make him look skinnier (well I think more narrow defines it better, because he sure doesn't look skeletal). By de-sqeezing it, his body looks way more in proportion. I don't think mine is 100% accurate, but the shoulders are broader, the neck shorter and the body looks more in proportion, so I think it's at least a lot closer to accuracy than the original. And if this is really his body anno 2009, I must say he looks pretty damn fine for a anorexic junkie...
He looks too young, the abdomen is too firm for a "skeletical " guy and we all know that , when lying on a plane surface the ribs are more visible; the eyebrows are not his and on the right shoulder there is something like a hidden tattoo...or a pigmentation spot? Look at his hand...the skin it's way to young. It looks to me like a dummy .
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX6ZU51LAiY&feature=related
Go to 2:38 in this video....
Uploaded by Jordanoggs on Jan 12, 2010
Look familiar?
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I showed this picture to my doctor friend, he said, it is a fake.. First of all, when you do autopsy on a person you cut a person into a V shape from the neck half way to the waist. The doctor said he did autopsy to the heart he had a great heart so tell me if he is not cut how did they check the heart, the lungs etc.. If you see the picture he has a gun shot wound in the middle of his chest. Thanks to my friend who saw. This is a person who got shot in the chest, or a prosthetic picture make believe it is Michael. Now I will post a picture the real autopsy.. It may be graphic, believe me I got squimish. At least it will make us understand once in for all it is not Michael
Thank you so much for clarifying that @all4loveandbelieve. I was wondering what that was .... :( I'm glad someone clarified that bc I just called some of my family on thoughts on the photo which made things no better...and I'm sitting up here literally sobbing. :'( Anywho, thanks again. Your posts are always motivational and provide hope as well as faith. ;))
Glad I was of help.. keep the faith dear, it is easier to give up then to continue going. If you need to talk you can always count on me.. blessings.
Thanks! bearhug Much appreciation.
Hate to disappoint but they said this pic was taken pre-autopsy, so there wouldn't be a Y incision. But being fake, does it matter?
Regarding the red open sore on his chest; this could be where they supposedly put in the heart ballon pump. But keep in mind they would have to make this photo coincide with what was said in court and in the AR.
Zooming in on his face; I, too think the eyes are wrong and so are the eyebrows. If this picture is actually of a real person who died on that day then my bets are on the guy who did the costume fitting. See video below. Pay close attention to when they show him in the silver pants and white tee. He's so skinny I doubt this guy could hole up most of the costumes. His nose is also way to long and pointy. And let's not forget all the dental implanst and venires mention by the coroner today.
Here's the costume vid, again...
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/0lxarTRjqH4[/embed]
And here he is hours before he "died". Yes, he's wearing a lot of clothes but if you pause it in certain places as he bends you can see his legs are not as skinny and when his jacket lifts up his torso is also not as thin. Definitely not the long narrow skinny guy we see in this coroner pic.
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/ZT4zv5dI1Jk[/embed]
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They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!
@Love4MJ I want to tell YOU to stop. You don't believe, so please leave us alone.
Why do non-believers keep coming here to tell us what we should think crash/ ?
I actually don't need your advices to form my own opinion.
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Wrong information tmz.Not naked afraid/ !
Private part is not in sight :D
But this is what the world wanted to see.
Not?
But just another fact.
Does a coroner take a picture from above hanging on the ceeling?
Guess he does that only when it is Michael Jackson. lolol/
What a great view!
Overview, mountain view, grill view, ladder view, pyramid view from the top down - whatever you like LOL - I was going to mention the great perspective chosen but I was too tired from the incoherent blubbering of participants and so-called "proof" in court LOL
seriously - anybody here from a coroner to confirm there is usually a camera hanging from the ceiling or was it the CCTV digital still camera in the hospital taking that pic? that would however explain the poor quality ;)
He is being pictured being still in sheets - at the coroner a body is not in sheets but on the blank stainless steel - which is freezingly cold ....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX6ZU51LAiY&feature=related
Go to 2:38 in this video....
Uploaded by Jordanoggs on Jan 12, 2010
Look familiar?
OMG!
You should really check this out ...
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Things I don't understand:
-why he looks so young
-why his lips are so red
-why his neck is smooth and shiny like it's made of wax
-why his body is not skeletal
-why his face/cheeks are fuller than we know
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I posted this on the other thread about this pic.
One doesn't have to go too far back with Front's posts to see him hinting for us:
Question #1: Have we seen any evidence that confirms MJ is dead?--sorry, photoshopped pics, hearsay, media outlets, "official" medical report$ and acting are not applicable! (oops, well I guess that "murders" THAT theory!) Hint: there's only one possible CORRECT box to check for this question and that is----> "NO"
Question #2: Have we seen any evidence (clues, connections, intentional "mistakes", etc.) that refute the fallacy that MJ is dead? Hint: the correct answer to this question contains the letters H-Y…….Hell Yes!!!
That "date mistake" was absolutely intentional IMO.
Love4MJ
They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
I'm sure Front would have words for you as well! The point is really that you're missing all the fun, adventure, community and collaborating with MJ! And you are completely faithless in Michael and his most important dream!
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Oh the paramedic said they intubated him, but didn't say how they did this. I know intubation is usually made in the neck. Could that red spot on his chest be from intubation? I am not qualified in medical field, is it possible they intubated him directly through the chest?
Or is it possible the intubation was made through the nose?
I am asking because there is no mark of intubation on the neck.
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I am confused about the date 25/08.....could someone tell me when was the autopsy made?
They took him to the coroner on the same day later in the afternoon, but when was the official autopsy made? Only in august?!?!??!
I had the (wrong) idea they made the autopsy the next day or so.
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Who's in the back? Jeans and a t-shirt? Hand in the pocket? OMG! Another proof! /bravo/
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/y3cjkg2amkzc74l0n4t.jpg)
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OMG that is scary,
just for fun I looked up what happend on the Date 25.08.2009
The first Thing what Google showed me was that Video. Do you remember this?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCO3qsQMTg[/youtube]
This Video was made from the German TV-Station RTL. Later they confirmed that it is fake and
that they did it only to prove how easy it is to start a HOAX.
Nothing in this Case is a Coincidence. Did you ever look in the copyright.gov under the Name
Micheal Jackson. When not you should do it. This is something only Michael
would know. I have heard from different people that he had a lot of fear that someone would
kill him because he have the catalog. So I believe that he copyrighted a lot of his Song under
a fake Name and only he would know about it. All these recently leaked snippets for example
Black Widow, Fall in Love and so on aren't registerd under his Name.
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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The pic rearly looks real....don't know what to think....are there two Michael Jackson as we discussed often here ?
One thin and ill and the other one healthy ? One of them died. That can prove the different tellings from ppl.....one never able to perform, and one in great condition. Nobody lies when they say sometimes so and other times so....like Kenny...both are Michael Jackson ( remeber the AEG contract...there where two lines for the hand signature from Michael Jackson ) and they talk sometimes from the ill one, sometimes from the healthy one..... afraid/
I see the dark spot on the left leg from the man on the pic....the area is there where Michael Jackson was bitten by a spider....it was mentioned at the autopsie report as well.....but in the autopsie report they say he had nearly no hair....this man has very much hair...
By the way....a intubation was made through the mouth. A ballon catheter was given through a aorta in the heard, from the neck mostly.
At sweetangel, the video that you linked is from RTLGermany, yes and last Wednesday Prince, Paris and Blanket are guests from RTL Germany and they visited Fantasia Land and made a interview with RTL.
Again RTL....
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PLEASE BE AWARE TO ALL READERS THAT THE LINK AT THE TOP OF THIS SUBJECT DOES NOT SHOW THE EVIDENCE PICTURE THAT WAS SHOWN IN COURT!!!!!
Exactly! I don't understand why Souza merged these two topics! These are absolutely two different things! Souza?
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Overview, mountain view, grill view, ladder view, pyramid view from the top down - whatever you like LOL - I was going to mention the great perspective chosen but I was too tired from the incoherent blubbering of participants and so-called "proof" in court LOL
seriously - anybody here from a coroner to confirm there is usually a camera hanging from the ceiling or was it the CCTV digital still camera in the hospital taking that pic? that would however explain the poor quality ;)
He is being pictured being still in sheets - at the coroner a body is not in sheets but on the blank stainless steel - which is freezingly cold ....
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You made a good point about the sheets thing. Even Tupac's autopsy photo was shown on a stainless steel table ...not on a stainless steel and sheets. PLUS, I looked @ the photo in close observation and noticed that where the pigmentation started and ended, there's a precise line like it was photoshopped and placed there. Then the middle of his stomach looks yellow. None of the pigmentation matches the rest of where it possibly should or could be. I'm also thinking, would Michael go as far to take a picture of himself in this manner just to amp up the hoax?
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Hello underthemoon,
odd, isn't it. A few Weeks ago Prince was at the Bambi Awards, Michael was there back in 2001 or
2002 too. Now they were in Phantasialand, Michael was there too. Michael created a parfume back
in the 90. Now we get new parfume. Sometimes I have the Feeling History is repeating itself.
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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Because there were numerous threads going on about the same picture. So I merged them and the oldest post is always on top. I think most will understand we are now talking about the newly emerged picture shown at the trial. I will sticky this post of mine in this thread, to make sure this one is on top and people will see that it's about the new picture, if by any chance they didn't get that yet.
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Just wanted to point this out in regards to the lines of pigmentation shown on the photo. I put the photo in paint , and drew where the pigmentation starts and ends in precise lines. None of this looks in synq as far as coloring goes unless he tanned sections of his body and covered certain parts. The more I observe this photo, the more I believe it's www.FAKE.com.
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When a person dies, the mouth is open and you have to put something under the head that the mouth stays close ...i miss so much words....but here he lays straight on the ???? and the head lay down....normaly the mouth would be open....if he was dead.... /white flag/
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Just wondered:
Could those bands of different colour be because of some UV tube lighting or something?
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Just wondered:
Could those bands of different colour be because of some UV tube lighting or something?
That's what I was thinking @ first but in all honestly ...either way, it still just looks weird like they put bits and pieces of the photo together.
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Who's in the back? Jeans and a t-shirt? Hand in the pocket? OMG! Another proof! /bravo/
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/y3cjkg2amkzc74l0n4t.jpg)
the LAPD .. probably
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this photo on "Michael" on that page is so fake, why? his nipples I too dark brown. And how could anybody says this is Michael Jackson??really??I am sure it will turn up more fake pic of Michael being dead.
As for the autopsy photo on trail: the date 08/25/2009 being wrong, TMZ wrote dr Christopher Rogers claims the date is wrong...it should read june 25th.yea right!!Do Dr Christopher really think we are that stupid.
And as for the belly button not showing,someone on TMZ did a comment about this:"For all of you looking for his belly button it's very light and small but it's there. just sayin'" Could this be true?????
I just can't see why u could not see his belly button,when the pic is taken from above?!
Even if I believe Michael Jackson is Alive and it's a fake autopsy. Still I think it's shameful of TMZ or any page to publish that pic. /scream/
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They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!
@Love4MJ I want to tell YOU to stop. You don't believe, so please leave us alone.
Why do non-believers keep coming here to tell us what we should think crash/ ?
I actually don't need your advices to form my own opinion.
You are being so negative you are not looking outside of the box. You are so focused on that picture you saw and you made your conclusion that this is Michael dead.. Look very well, I don't see Michael at all. I see a person who ressembles Michael that is it. How may impersonators look so much like Michael? I for one met an impersonator last year, and yes he could have been his twin brother. What gave him away were his hands, no one has Michaels curly fingers, and tinted nails.. So my dear, it is you prerogative to believe what you want, but please do not be negative towards us, we do not tolerate it. We do all have our opinions and I understand yours, but you need to analyse more options. blessings.
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So I went searching for photographs of autopsy rooms just to make sure there is no camera hanging from the ceiling. I don't want to come up tough to anybody here, so who doesn't want to see an autopsy room, pls skip my post.
These rooms are pretty functional - in terms of emotions: cold.
The persons working there do need it just for this: working there.
Usually they will have a table that may hold some liquid; usually this liquid needs to be washed away after the examination so there is an inclination in the table; usually these rooms are made to be cleaned up very well. The doctors working there will need some space to write on for their reports on paper or in a laptop or for putting a dictaphone. They will work as a team of three e.g. and they do need a lot of precision light - so professional light systems will be available as for any regular operation.
That's why the space on the ceiling above an autopsy table usually holds light and not a camera.
These are some examples of autopsy rooms.
(http://www.caledonian-comment.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/autopsy-room.jpg)
(http://www.timdowns.net/images/100_0815.JPG)
(http://www.csifiles.com/images/news/csi_set_8.jpg)
Interestingly, this one comes from an abandoned hospital in L.A.:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MBCE6qpza94/S4JjtlmowqI/AAAAAAAAAWg/KK9HJmwlwng/s400/autopsy_table.jpg)
http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html (http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html)
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Just wanted to point this out in regards to the lines of pigmentation shown on the photo. I put the photo in paint , and drew where the pigmentation starts and ends in precise lines. None of this looks in synq as far as coloring goes unless he tanned sections of his body and covered certain parts. The more I observe this photo, the more I believe it's www.FAKE.com (http://www.fake.com/).
Is it possible that the uv like stripes that we are seeing are caused by the projector lights? We have been saying all along with every photo that is shown in court that the photo isn't the best of quality. Is it possible that what we are seeing is a shot of the projection on the wall? If that's the case then that's why none of the photos including this one are of the best quality. Just a thought.
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So I went searching for photographs of autopsy rooms just to make sure there is no camera hanging from the ceiling. I don't want to come up tough to anybody here, so who doesn't want to see an autopsy room, pls skip my post.
These rooms are pretty functional - in terms of emotions: cold.
The persons working there do need it just for this: working there.
Usually they will have a table that may hold some liquid; usually this liquid needs to be washed away after the examination so there is an inclination in the table; usually these rooms are made to be cleaned up very well. The doctors working there will need some space to write on for their reports on paper or in a laptop or for putting a dictaphone. They will work as a team of three e.g. and they do need a lot of precision light - so professional light systems will be available as for any regular operation.
That's why the space on the ceiling above an autopsy table usually holds light and not a camera.
These are some examples of autopsy rooms.
(http://www.caledonian-comment.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/autopsy-room.jpg)
(http://www.timdowns.net/images/100_0815.JPG)
(http://www.csifiles.com/images/news/csi_set_8.jpg)
Interestingly, this one comes from an abandoned hospital in L.A.:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MBCE6qpza94/S4JjtlmowqI/AAAAAAAAAWg/KK9HJmwlwng/s400/autopsy_table.jpg)
http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html (http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html)
Thank you Grace for posting these pictures. I know when they take pictures of a dead patient due to crime it is never from a ceiling, it is a normal picture from the side of the deceased. That abandoned room is very interesting. I wonder if Michael was there..
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If you cannot stand the sight of blood, this picture is very graphic.. Not for everyone. Actually I want to faint.
I will just put the link, I do not want to post the picture , I do not even know if it is real or a fake. I know there are about 12 comments about this picture.
I hope it is not Michael, actually it can be anyone, you do not see the face.
Let me know what you think.. I personally think it is a fake photo.. blessings.
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When I saw yesterday the FAKE autopsy picture of TMZ, someone told me about a 2nd picture, I didn't realize it was this one. I just read the comment of Craig Harvey, and this pic is obviously soooo FAKE! We don't see a face, so there's absolutely no proof that it is Michael.
The autopsy picture which has been shown at court and publicly...first I thought /overreacting/ Though, there must be a reason for this. People will question why this shocking picture is shown publicly. Well, it created awareness about privacy and respect and the lack of it (I hope). Again a lesson.
Keep the faith.
L.O.V.E.
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If you can't recognize Michael, his face, his arms, his shape, buy eyes :roll:
The date is absolutely not wrong, this is a 6 and not an 8 :arrow: : (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/516/datejuneautop.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/datejuneautop.jpg/)
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If you can't recognize Michael, his face, his arms, his shape, buy eyes :roll:
The date is absolutely not wrong, this is a 6 and not an 8 :arrow: : (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/516/datejuneautop.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/datejuneautop.jpg/)
Hmmm yes it really looks like a 6, we just have to compare with the 9. But the controversy has been launched already. :lol:
Another useful illusion. It's all a matter of perspective or zoom in and zoom out! lolol/
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If you can't recognize Michael, his face, his arms, his shape, buy eyes :roll:
The date is absolutely not wrong, this is a 6 and not an 8 :arrow: : (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/516/datejuneautop.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/datejuneautop.jpg/)
Hmmm yes it really looks like a 6, we just have to compare with the 9. But the controversy has been launched already. :lol:
Another useful illusion. It's all a matter of perspective or zoom in and zoom out! lolol/
I have to agree it's clearly a 6 and when looking at the 9's they have the underlines underneath to show they are facing the right way.
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I KNEW I seen a 6!!!!!!!! lolol/
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So I went searching for photographs of autopsy rooms just to make sure there is no camera hanging from the ceiling. I don't want to come up tough to anybody here, so who doesn't want to see an autopsy room, pls skip my post.
These rooms are pretty functional - in terms of emotions: cold.
The persons working there do need it just for this: working there.
Usually they will have a table that may hold some liquid; usually this liquid needs to be washed away after the examination so there is an inclination in the table; usually these rooms are made to be cleaned up very well. The doctors working there will need some space to write on for their reports on paper or in a laptop or for putting a dictaphone. They will work as a team of three e.g. and they do need a lot of precision light - so professional light systems will be available as for any regular operation.
That's why the space on the ceiling above an autopsy table usually holds light and not a camera.
These are some examples of autopsy rooms.
(http://www.caledonian-comment.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/autopsy-room.jpg)
(http://www.timdowns.net/images/100_0815.JPG)
(http://www.csifiles.com/images/news/csi_set_8.jpg)
Interestingly, this one comes from an abandoned hospital in L.A.:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MBCE6qpza94/S4JjtlmowqI/AAAAAAAAAWg/KK9HJmwlwng/s400/autopsy_table.jpg)
http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html (http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html)
Thank you for this research! Clearly there are inconsistancy's with all of this. Even if you factor in "special handling" because Michael was a celebrity, there are still many things that don't add up.
I am still of the belief that the photo wasn't taken from an over head exam camera but from someone standing on a step stool, ladder or some type of scaffolding (the picture is clearly taken from a higher slight angle and not looking directly down on top of "Michael") and none of the random autopsy room photos seem to support the overhead camera theory.
Of course there are exceptions to everything, but the more you study the elements of this autopsy photo, it appears to be staged. :|
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Who's in the back? Jeans and a t-shirt? Hand in the pocket? OMG! Another proof! /bravo/
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/y3cjkg2amkzc74l0n4t.jpg)
I'm looking at the official autopsy photo and I can't see where this hand is supposed to be. Can you pan out a bit so we can see where it is on the photo? Thanks kindly :)
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The fact that the judge allowed the photo to be presented is for me proof that it is all hoax more than that MJ is dead.
I still cannot see the purpose of showing the photo to the jury.
I think it would be of great value for prosecution as long as it shows MJ was in perfect health. Does it show MJ was in perfect health? for me, not in particular, the body seems thin, pale and....stretched :D
As I understand it is still possible for the judge to delete/hide/make some stuff not publicly available (look at some of Connie interview with LAPD when some of the stuff was not allowed). So, what was the reason for him to allow this?
The judge knew the trial will be televised and the photo will be published all over the net. So, unless it gives a lot of sense and value to the jury to allow it, then it makes no sense for me why the judge allowed it in court (at least this is my way of thinking).
We are dealing here with human being that was known globally, that had family, kids...
Makes no sense for me, actually pretty cruel if you ask me to show it like this, if the man, of course, was dead. :D
P.S. just look at majority of comments on TMZ...
They say that during a homicide case, they have to show the picture of the corpse. Well, they don't have to, but usually do, I guess evidence that there really is a body. I know, strange, but that is what is said about that. But! Why didn't they show Nicole Simpson's pictures and Ron Goldmans during the O.J trial? They showed them to the jury, but did not show them on a projection screen for the entire world to view. Did not show them in the morgue or at autopsy, or even at the scene. Which makes me think it's for a hoax purpose.
But what I am really having a hard time with is this. In order for a hoax to go as planned, fool proof, if you will, would have to be hardly anybody involved. The more people involved, the more chance of a leak. Somebody, by now, after two years, would have said something. Some police person, hospital person, housekeeper, SOMEBODY, would have wanted money for a story that they knew, or thought they knew about. That is what is bugging me about it being a hoax. How can all these people be playing the role so well? And who in the heck wrote this script with such detail, even down to the dosages and all of the details. I know MJ is a genius, but ... I don't know. I want to believe it, and most the time I do, but then these little seeds of doubt creep in. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!
@Love4MJ I want to tell YOU to stop. You don't believe, so please leave us alone.
Why do non-believers keep coming here to tell us what we should think crash/ ?
I actually don't need your advices to form my own opinion.
You are being so negative you are not looking outside of the box. You are so focused on that picture you saw and you made your conclusion that this is Michael dead.. Look very well, I don't see Michael at all. I see a person who ressembles Michael that is it. How may impersonators look so much like Michael? I for one met an impersonator last year, and yes he could have been his twin brother. What gave him away were his hands, no one has Michaels curly fingers, and tinted nails.. So my dear, it is you prerogative to believe what you want, but please do not be negative towards us, we do not tolerate it. We do all have our opinions and I understand yours, but you need to analyse more options. blessings.
Are you talking to me?!?!?!?
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So I went searching for photographs of autopsy rooms just to make sure there is no camera hanging from the ceiling. I don't want to come up tough to anybody here, so who doesn't want to see an autopsy room, pls skip my post.
These rooms are pretty functional - in terms of emotions: cold.
The persons working there do need it just for this: working there.
Usually they will have a table that may hold some liquid; usually this liquid needs to be washed away after the examination so there is an inclination in the table; usually these rooms are made to be cleaned up very well. The doctors working there will need some space to write on for their reports on paper or in a laptop or for putting a dictaphone. They will work as a team of three e.g. and they do need a lot of precision light - so professional light systems will be available as for any regular operation.
That's why the space on the ceiling above an autopsy table usually holds light and not a camera.
These are some examples of autopsy rooms.
(http://www.caledonian-comment.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/autopsy-room.jpg)
(http://www.timdowns.net/images/100_0815.JPG)
(http://www.csifiles.com/images/news/csi_set_8.jpg)
Interestingly, this one comes from an abandoned hospital in L.A.:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MBCE6qpza94/S4JjtlmowqI/AAAAAAAAAWg/KK9HJmwlwng/s400/autopsy_table.jpg)
http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html (http://domenicosalvaggio.blogspot.com/2010/02/creepy-abandoned-los-angeles-hospital.html)
Good point!
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The fact that the judge allowed the photo to be presented is for me proof that it is all hoax more than that MJ is dead.
I still cannot see the purpose of showing the photo to the jury.
I think it would be of great value for prosecution as long as it shows MJ was in perfect health. Does it show MJ was in perfect health? for me, not in particular, the body seems thin, pale and....stretched :D
As I understand it is still possible for the judge to delete/hide/make some stuff not publicly available (look at some of Connie interview with LAPD when some of the stuff was not allowed). So, what was the reason for him to allow this?
The judge knew the trial will be televised and the photo will be published all over the net. So, unless it gives a lot of sense and value to the jury to allow it, then it makes no sense for me why the judge allowed it in court (at least this is my way of thinking).
We are dealing here with human being that was known globally, that had family, kids...
Makes no sense for me, actually pretty cruel if you ask me to show it like this, if the man, of course, was dead. :D
P.S. just look at majority of comments on TMZ...
They say that during a homicide case, they have to show the picture of the corpse. Well, they don't have to, but usually do, I guess evidence that there really is a body. I know, strange, but that is what is said about that. But! Why didn't they show Nicole Simpson's pictures and Ron Goldmans during the O.J trial? They showed them to the jury, but did not show them on a projection screen for the entire world to view. Did not show them in the morgue or at autopsy, or even at the scene. Which makes me think it's for a hoax purpose.
But what I am really having a hard time with is this. In order for a hoax to go as planned, fool proof, if you will, would have to be hardly anybody involved. The more people involved, the more chance of a leak. Somebody, by now, after two years, would have said something. Some police person, hospital person, housekeeper, SOMEBODY, would have wanted money for a story that they knew, or thought they knew about. That is what is bugging me about it being a hoax. How can all these people be playing the role so well? And who in the heck wrote this script with such detail, even down to the dosages and all of the details. I know MJ is a genius, but ... I don't know. I want to believe it, and most the time I do, but then these little seeds of doubt creep in. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
I don't think the entire family knows (perhaps just immediate members) but put them aside and what key people do you need? Just the ones that were actually hands on that day right? So the Toxicologist, Cardiologist (that's on today), girlfriends, Murrays ex with the kid, none of them have to be in on it. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that none of them are in on it. I'm sure this script took years in the making and Michael has endless resources, imagine what we can do on the internet, everything that we have found out just thru researching, now imagine Michael's means of finding information out.
About people blabbing because of money, since word isn't good enough anymore I am sure confidential agreements were made. I could be wrong but aren't the back up dancers for TII still under contract? If they are still under contract for what little went on around them (for what they would have seen or heard) imagine what the other contracts say regarding all of these other key players.
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The people giving up because of this photo, what caused you to believe Michael's alive in the first place? A memorial didn't convince you, a funeral didn't convince you, several autopsies, all family members, including Michael's children saying he's dead, there being an involuntary manslaughter trial, nothing convinced you, but a crappy photo of a supposed autopsy that barely shows "Michael's" face? I know the sight is frightening at first, but seriously... I've seen better "photos" of Bigfoot or alien autopsies. Don't get too emotional. To me, there's not much of a doubt this photo is fake. If Michael's dead and they have to deliberately influence the jury by showing "gruesome" death photos of him, why on earth won't they use a high quality photograph in which you can actually see something? I suppose there aren't any since the 21st century can't provide such a thing as a high quality image. :roll:
These are the types of things that make me believe something's fishy. They are the reason why I doubt Michael's death, not the other way around. I just can't understand, now that they're actually showing us pictures, why they have to evoke comparisons to alien autopsies and the Lake Erie Monster, why none of them look authentic.
Those of you believing the scar from Michael's spider bite is visible, I don't think so. First of all, take another look at this photo, I think its quality is a little better:
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_michael_jackson_nude_dead_dm_111011_wg.jpg)
When you take a close look, you can see another similar, lighter discoloration on the other leg. Plus, you have those discolorations on his knees, I have no idea where any of this comes from, but to me it seems bruised, sore, maybe, and the discoloration on his right leg doesn't look like a scar to me. Would it still be that dark after years? Don't discolorations due to scars fade away after a while?
Interestingly, the autopsy report states there is a "5 x 2-1/2 inch area of hyperpigmentation" on the anterior right shin. They do not call it a scar, so it probably doesn't appear to be one.
And when you look at the healing process of the bite, you can clearly see it looks different:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fqRPLDgVde0/Tdry-7nSBPI/AAAAAAAACBo/CZbNhliMUHo/s1600/MJ+2002+spider+bite+8.jpg)
It's partly lighter in the middle; would all of this turn dark to end up as a dark patch? Also, the shape, in my opinion, is completely different, the bite is much rounder than the discoloration in the autopsy photo, even when not stretched.
I don't have a lot of medical knowledge, these are just my observations, so forgive me if I said anything wrong about scarring or the like.
I also think it's comical you can barely see Michael's face. I mean, are those people for real? The navel should also be (more) visible, if you ask me; the photo doesn't even seem to be overexposed, so why would the navel be absent? We all know Michael's belly button is an outie and it's pretty prominent. The stomach looks like that of a wax dummy to me.
And most importantly, let's quote from the autopsy report again, "The decedent's overall skin has patches of light and dark pigmented areas." Vitiligo is mentioned several times, and "focal depigmentation of the skin, particularly over the anterior chest and abdomen, face and arms." Can you see any of this? Because I can't. This is super weird, because the discoloration of the shin would fit, as well as some other statements, but vitiligo seems to be completely absent. Lightning? So, the lightning would still allow us to see the hyperpigmented areas and bruises, but no vitiligo? And no belly button?
Honestly, I can't get myself to believe Michael's dead, sometimes I try to force myself, but I fail miserably, and photos such as this one, don't help. Nothing about Michael's supposed death adds up, and that's why I believe. I said from the beginning that if I got to see it with my own eyes, if a proper photo came out or video footage, I might be convinced. So far, this hasn't happened.
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Plus, the legs are way too short, AGAIN. Michael has/had long legs. This "photo" was taken right from above the body, so you can't explain it away with the perspective or anything. They're way too short. You can see the ball of his foot, and don't be fooled by the quadrat. That "body" looks like a mess.
If you need to be convinced (I didn't put my heart into that work, but you get the idea, lol):
(http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv87/MilkshakeBubbles/abc_michael_jackson_nude_dead_dm_111011_wgv2.jpg)
Also, I don't really see why the quadrat has to be that big in order to cover his genital area. If we're dealing with a montage, this could have been used to distract you from the obvious color difference between his stomach area and thighs.
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The things that are bugging me about this picture as well as the first one shown is his eyes and mouth. When you die, your muscles lose the ablility to keep the eyes and mouth closed. In both pictures Michael's eyes and mouth are shut. They would of had to placed tape on his eyes and sewn his mouth shut for them to remain closed. When these pictures were taken it was hours after the death. I also remember someone saying (can't remember who) that when they saw his body at the hospital his eyes were open and dry. Hence, the eye muscles losing the ability to keep them closed.
Also, when someone dies, they start to lose the blood in the lower parts of the body and it works its way up. When my father-in-law was dying from cancer, his hospice nurse knew almost exactly when he would pass. She kept looking at his feet and was telling me that when they are on their last days, they lose the blood, as well as the color in their feet and legs. In this picture, Michael still has quite a bit of color left in his legs. Yes, there is discoloration on the body, but we don't know what Michael's body really looked like under his clothes.
I am trying my hardest to keep the faith in all of this. But, to tell you the truth, when I saw this picture I instantly got sick to my stomach and very emotional. But, after looking at it over and over, I have to believe that this is not Michael lying there. I also don't think that this is happening just to get out of doing the concerts. For it to go this far, Michael's life is in danger. He has to have help from powerful people for this to go this far. IMO, I don't think Michael that we once knew is ever going to come back. There are way too many people involved in this for him to safely return. I love him with all my heart. But, I want him to be safe and if he has to stay away from us for this to happen, then so be it. We will always have his music, his legacy, his pictures and his presence in our hearts. Michael, you will always remain in my heart and its not just because of the entertainment that you have given us. You have showed us the distruction of the world and what needs to happen for it to change for the better. I will continue to do my part, to be a loving, caring person and to help make this world a better place for all things under God. God bless you and keep you safe.
Peace. Love. and Happiness
Dragonflylilies
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FACTS FOR ME:
1- There's only ONE Michael Jackson. No twin brother and no double who looks exactly like him.
2- Michael at 02 and in TII was Michael himself and there was no double.
3- All of the pictures we saw after June 25th as the ambo pic, dead pic, autopsy pic are all FAKE. Photoshopped.
4- MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE!
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It's really a shocking photo to look at it, no matter who we see really, Michael or not.......I admit it's easy to loose our faith in the hoax after the first look. But then, you start to think.
- Out of all the famous people who died in the past years, the world haven't seen an autopsy photo neither of them, a photo in the casket isn't easy to look at on the first hand, then why humiliate anyone in the world by showing his autopsy photo?????? Just because Michael is the world's most famous entertainer, it doesn't equals to be humiliated like that. I CAN'T BELIEVE FOR 1 MINUTE THE FAMILY INCLUDING HIS CHILDREN WOULD ALLOW SUCH A THING! NO WAY!!!!!
- There are several mistakes with this photo too, i don't want to list the things that all the members here pointed out one by one, and i have no idea if it's really Michael or not, but the person doesn't seem dead to me......the tone of the skin, the red mouth, there's a sheet below him........ It's another bad quality picture, you can't see all the important details which can make it crystal clear who is this man and is he alive or not?.........
Fake photos before, i call this is again a fake one!
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Hello everyone! I know that most of you don't know me or you don't remember me but I am a member here almost since the site was created on the first place! I haven't written anything for a very very long time now ,although I visit the site regularly, because I felt that I had nothing to say and also there were many times that I got disappointed and thought about giving up the hoax and my theory and feelings that Michael is still with as /pull hair/... Thank God it didn't happen!SoOo as about the first photo, a year ago a member of the old mjhd PM'd me the picture and I'm almost 100% sure that this is not Michael.... many inconsistencies there and it looks photoshopped( I study as a graphic designer, so there is some experience on the subject) ... The second picture looks as if it's real and to be honest I don't know what to do with it! At first I was like OMG! but for some reason I don't feel like I look at a dead man and I also have to add that the photo doesn't seem to be photoshopped.
There are 3 options : 1: A double made a "photoshoot" on the coroners table
2: Michael made the "photoshoot" on the coroners table( his life is in great danger and the proof of his "dead body" is THE chance to stop the HOAX theories
3: He really is dead.
I'll go with theories number 1 and/or 2 rr/
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Video footage:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lF-_4_q5jQ[/youtube]
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I am one of the people who stated that I see the spider bite. And I still do. What rubs me about some posts made to this site is that at times some people tend to get all bent out of shape if someone else deviates from their beliefs and what their eyes see. And I am not necessarily personalizing this remark to anyone in particular.
I see what I see. If no one else does, that’s cool. Not gonna change my visual one bit. You will never hear me tell anyone here that they don’t need to be here or ask why are they here because they, for example, see pink when I see red.
With that being said, and thank you for listening, I do believe that that is Michael’s body with a bit of illusion. Eventhough Michael is a very, very private, modest human being, I can see him going outside of his own realm of comfort to pose for a picture to be used for just what it’s being used for if it took that to make a point of the hoax. Perhaps he did lay down in this very extreme position and allow himself to be photographed and then have the photo doctored up to appear as we see it now. I say that because I still have this unyielding belief that on 6/25/09 Michael did in fact jump out of that coroner’s van. I also keep turning over in my head that Murray says that Michael was placed in another room to get prepared to be viewed by his family at the hospital. WTF?? I worked in a hospital. When a patient dies in the E.R., unless the family comes into the emergency room, the ICU room, where ever it might have occurred, they visit the body in the morgue in the basement, not in another hospital room. Unless for Michael, they went way outside the norm. Way out. I believe he was taken into another room alright, not to get prepared for viewing but to be ushered out another entrance into hoaxville. But as with all of this, it’s just what I believe. /white flag/
I am not 100% sure if Michael is still amongst the living, but it doesn’t make it any easier to deal with when disparaging remarks are made to belittle the emotional fluctuations we sometime experience in not knowing with certainty. I will never say that I KNOW Michael is this or that. I can only say that based on a preponderance of clues and inconsistencies we have seen during these 2 plus years, that there is a very real possiblity that he could be. I certainly hope so because he 100% should be.
No matter what our differing opinions are, I think they are all worthy of being respected all for love, l.o.v.e.
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They are showing this picture so all can be put to rest, including Michael. They are well aware of the hoax. Michael has gone to meet his maker and as difficult as it must be for those of you who have spent endless hours connecting dots and theories; There comes a time when you have to say stop. A time of acceptance. A time to greive. If there is anything positive to be gained by this hoax is that you all have 2 years spent together and you will be able to support each other through this time of sorrow. The majority of the world has already cried their tears and we are prepared to be here for all of you as you begin your walk down that path.
Blessings and major love to you all.
Have you read the AR? If that report is Michael Jackson... I'm Queen Elizabeth!
@Love4MJ I want to tell YOU to stop. You don't believe, so please leave us alone.
Why do non-believers keep coming here to tell us what we should think crash/ ?
I actually don't need your advices to form my own opinion.
You are being so negative you are not looking outside of the box. You are so focused on that picture you saw and you made your conclusion that this is Michael dead.. Look very well, I don't see Michael at all. I see a person who ressembles Michael that is it. How may impersonators look so much like Michael? I for one met an impersonator last year, and yes he could have been his twin brother. What gave him away were his hands, no one has Michaels curly fingers, and tinted nails.. So my dear, it is you prerogative to believe what you want, but please do not be negative towards us, we do not tolerate it. We do all have our opinions and I understand yours, but you need to analyse more options. blessings.
Are you talking to me?!?!?!?
No Ginafelicia.. I replied to Love4MJ
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The people giving up because of this photo, what caused you to believe Michael's alive in the first place? A memorial didn't convince you, a funeral didn't convince you, several autopsies, all family members, including Michael's children saying he's dead, there being an involuntary manslaughter trial, nothing convinced you, but a crappy photo of a supposed autopsy that barely shows "Michael's" face? I know the sight is frightening at first, but seriously... I've seen better "photos" of Bigfoot or alien autopsies. Don't get too emotional. To me, there's not much of a doubt this photo is fake. If Michael's dead and they have to deliberately influence the jury by showing "gruesome" death photos of him, why on earth won't they use a high quality photograph in which you can actually see something? I suppose there aren't any since the 21st century can't provide such a thing as a high quality image. :roll:
These are the types of things that make me believe something's fishy. They are the reason why I doubt Michael's death, not the other way around. I just can't understand, now that they're actually showing us pictures, why they have to evoke comparisons to alien autopsies and the Lake Erie Monster, why none of them look authentic.
Those of you believing the scar from Michael's spider bite is visible, I don't think so. First of all, take another look at this photo, I think its quality is a little better:
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_michael_jackson_nude_dead_dm_111011_wg.jpg)
When you take a close look, you can see another similar, lighter discoloration on the other leg. Plus, you have those discolorations on his knees, I have no idea where any of this comes from, but to me it seems bruised, sore, maybe, and the discoloration on his right leg doesn't look like a scar to me. Would it still be that dark after years? Don't discolorations due to scars fade away after a while?
Interestingly, the autopsy report states there is a "5 x 2-1/2 inch area of hyperpigmentation" on the anterior right shin. They do not call it a scar, so it probably doesn't appear to be one.
And when you look at the healing process of the bite, you can clearly see it looks different:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fqRPLDgVde0/Tdry-7nSBPI/AAAAAAAACBo/CZbNhliMUHo/s1600/MJ+2002+spider+bite+8.jpg)
It's partly lighter in the middle; would all of this turn dark to end up as a dark patch? Also, the shape, in my opinion, is completely different, the bite is much rounder than the discoloration in the autopsy photo, even when not stretched.
I don't have a lot of medical knowledge, these are just my observations, so forgive me if I said anything wrong about scarring or the like.
I also think it's comical you can barely see Michael's face. I mean, are those people for real? The navel should also be (more) visible, if you ask me; the photo doesn't even seem to be overexposed, so why would the navel be absent? We all know Michael's belly button is an outie and it's pretty prominent. The stomach looks like that of a wax dummy to me.
And most importantly, let's quote from the autopsy report again, "The decedent's overall skin has patches of light and dark pigmented areas." Vitiligo is mentioned several times, and "focal depigmentation of the skin, particularly over the anterior chest and abdomen, face and arms." Can you see any of this? Because I can't. This is super weird, because the discoloration of the shin would fit, as well as some other statements, but vitiligo seems to be completely absent. Lightning? So, the lightning would still allow us to see the hyperpigmented areas and bruises, but no vitiligo? And no belly button?
Honestly, I can't get myself to believe Michael's dead, sometimes I try to force myself, but I fail miserably, and photos such as this one, don't help. Nothing about Michael's supposed death adds up, and that's why I believe. I said from the beginning that if I got to see it with my own eyes, if a proper photo came out or video footage, I might be convinced. So far, this hasn't happened.
What baffles me is why take a picture with a tape and that tube still hanging on his lip.. How can we make sure it is Michael. That tape hides his nose. Yes I did see the spider bite, but he got bitten long time ago. I guess he still has a scare? As we all know this body may have been reproduced just like Michaels body but a little skinnier. I still say it is not Michael. His hand does not look like MJ..
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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18805.msg362715.html#msg362715
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The official greenman "WE are the world 25" for Haiti video:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6105/6239995334_9d9341730f_z.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Ve8faNSS4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Ve8faNSS4&feature=related)
If you believe that the "dead pre-autopsy" illusionary photo is difficult to look at - how do you think the Haitians do feel having to look at their reality every day?
If you think "how could Michael Jackson do this photo to his fanbase and shock them with his allegedly dead body and I am such a poor girl being deceived by him so much despite I am such a good fan",
well, how do you look at this planet that is dying while I am typing and NOT be shocked but keep living on as ever and do nothing about it?
I think we in this rich part of the world are many times hypocriticals whining and wheeping about losing money or objects (including objects of interest).
Fact is: the planet is dying around us and we keep sitting around in our ivory towers and wheep over a faked photo?
Hello?????
What would a Haitian orphan with no future say about this? Right.
It is not 5 to 12, it is 2 to 12 and Mr. Flanagan stressed that over half an hour yesterday if I recall right.
(http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/33500/33592/clock-11-58_33592_sm.gif)
This photo is one of Michael's wake-up calls.
The trial is one of Michael's wake-up calls.
The reality out there is much more frightening than any illusionary photo ever can be.
Before you start wanting to throw stones on me, I am in good company.
You may commence to throw stones on Michael as well.
Many of his fans are doing this since quite a while without any interruption and I can imagine him very lively being as mad as hell.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxhPKSeMR0&feature=related[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxhPKSeMR0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxhPKSeMR0&feature=related)
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Oh, Dear @GRACE!!
WE are the world
/bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/
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This photo is one of Michael's wake-up calls.
The trial is one of Michael's wake-up calls.
The reality out there is much more frightening than any illusionary photo ever can be.
I think we in this rich part of the world are many times hypocriticals whining and wheeping about losing money or objects (including objects of interest).
Fact is: the planet is dying around us and we keep sitting around in our ivory towers and wheep over a faked photo?
Hello?????
What would a Haitian orphan with no future say about this? Right.
It is not 5 to 12, it is 2 to 12 and Mr. Flanagan stressed that over half an hour yesterday if I recall right.''
BRILLIANT, JUST BRILLIANT OBSERVATIONS,
GOD BLESS YOU @GRACE!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0SgKr82UbU&feature=uploademail[/youtube]
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I think that this pic is photoshopped or the person we see is alive.....close eyes and mouth and skin colour...i rearly hope so, because if they go so far to show a dead person in such way in public, without any reason it would be too far...what can we see that is so importend that we have to see ?
This white sheet on what he is lying looks like the same from the helicopter flight when they bring a stretcher with two belts in the helicopter and put different stretcher without belts out of the helicopter at the coroner. There it lookes like a body wrapped in a white sheet like this one...
Another point is that i am sure that they had took the tape under the nose away if rearly the family and specialy the kids had seen him.
I don't remember exactly what La Toya and Jermaine told about that moment...i am only sure that the kids havn't seen him in this way with a big tape under the nose.
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Michael's nipples are not like the autopsy pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSo-Nz77N5Mre-pQMFC23N4fKbnyXiW0nw_gGyVe0olp0L0srPH)
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I cant work it out. I posted this pic on the other page with the autopsy photo, where "Michael" is opened up. His nipples are completely different. If you compare you will see.
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I cant work it out. I posted this pic on the other page with the autopsy photo, where "Michael" is opened up. His nipples are completely different. If you compare you will see.
thats becasue the "opensd up mj" is not mj at all.. it was some hater making fun of mj,,,
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@Grace, excellent post. The autopsy pic is a wake up call for sure! I hope that people realize that and instead of turning the other cheek, they finally will open up their minds.
Ignorance of people purchasing diamonds and necklaces
And barely able to keep the payments up on their lessons
And enrolled in a class and don't know who the professor is
How low people go for the dough and make a mess of things?
From the lyrics "Shout" by Michael Jackson
/scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPiGY58x9cE&feature=related[/youtube]
L.O.V.E.
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it's not michael for sure!
dont cheated by those photoshoped pic /scream/ /scream/
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Oh, Dear @GRACE!!
WE are the world
/bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/
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This photo is one of Michael's wake-up calls.
The trial is one of Michael's wake-up calls.
The reality out there is much more frightening than any illusionary photo ever can be.
I think we in this rich part of the world are many times hypocriticals whining and wheeping about losing money or objects (including objects of interest).
Fact is: the planet is dying around us and we keep sitting around in our ivory towers and wheep over a faked photo?
Hello?????
What would a Haitian orphan with no future say about this? Right.
It is not 5 to 12, it is 2 to 12 and Mr. Flanagan stressed that over half an hour yesterday if I recall right.''
BRILLIANT, JUST BRILLIANT OBSERVATIONS,
GOD BLESS YOU @GRACE!
Not only Haitians, Africans, children who have lost both their parents due to aids.. There are lots of countries that are poor. We should count our blessings every single minute of the day. blessings.
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I find starting a new thread on this subject confusing because I've been posting on the Official Trial Thread of Sept 27....
What I have noticed & posted is:
#1. I think the date thing was MADE to draw attention. YES the 6 is actually a 9 turned upside down... I see 3 9's = 999 in the photo = Hoax #
#2. With the 6 looking like an 8 we have MJ telling us he posed for this shot on 8-25-2009. Two mos AFTER 'DEATH'. This is a Set up & photo shopped = ALIVE
#3. The "truth" & photo has been "stretched" and here we are literally naval gazing! The patchiness is the Vitiligo; it is progressive so of course it's not going to match Jermaine's earlier description. This is PRE-Autopsy as there is no Y cut & the date of supposed autopsy is wrong; it should be the 26th right? ...and so is his color. Shouldn't he be a greyish cast with blue lips by now if really dead? Although I don't get the blood in the center of the chest Did the EMT's inject the heart to get it started? Somebody was sitting up on that gurney...but was it MJ or one of his Decoys???
MJ is messing with us... Monster lyrics.
TS are you going to comment? Some of us are a bit :-\ Even if proven fake this picture has gotten to a lot of us.
Re: TIAI September 27 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/../topic,20587.msg362712.html#msg362712) « Reply #1305 on: October 12, 2011, 04:30:35 PM » http://youtu.be/Th-XXcdZSQM (http://youtu.be/Th-XXcdZSQM)
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opinion a non believer with respect to photo
Follow up on Autopsy Photograph
My opinion on the autopsy photo is this – not genuine. Despite the debate about the date placed on the I.D. placard next to the body (I see an eight not a six), Most autopsy photos, for identification do not include the wigs or tapes still attached to the body’s wrists (that were not there in the gurney photos).
Secondly, THE LAW in regard to showing autopsy photos in a court room
Laws on public release of autopsy photos:
Photographs/Video Recordings
“Any and all photographs or video recordings of the body, or any portion of the body, of a deceased person taken by or for the coroner at the scene of death or in the course of a post mortem examination or autopsy are not available for inspection at any time pursuant to Section 129 of the California Code of Civil Procedure. Anyone wishing to inspect or obtain copies of photographs will be required to obtain a court order as outlined in Section 129.” Source and page 3 of this document Source
That is the law. Viewing autopsy photographs is NOT the right of the media or press under the law. If viewing autopsy pictures IN COURT, generally T.V. cameras are either turned toward the judge or the shot is blacked out.
HLN showed that picture at least THREE TIMES TODAY by different hosts, each saying they are “only going to show this once”, while at the same time blasting the necessity of the court’s decision to show it.
What?!!
Looking at the photo myself I originally was NOT going to post this photograph because of Michael’s privacy. However, It didn’t look right to me. I saw some major errors, so I sent this to Micheline and I sent it to my mother, who has a graphics art background. She called me back in about an hour and this is what she told me:
“Your picture that you sent me is a bunch of other pictures spliced together and they did a really sloppy job. Very unprofessional. This picture was put together in at least three different places.”
Since this is not a real autopsy photo, I am posting the picture below so that you can determine that the sections I examined were not altered.
Screenshot of Autopsy Photo
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7QJsJd3CEtA/TpUMvywmfhI/AAAAAAAACiM/8benOG_DCug/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+)
- Upper arms and across the chest is a wide stripe that is a different color all the way across the picture, including the background which is also a different color. On this photo I circled the multiples of bandages/gauze that don’t normally stay on a genuine autopsy photo (You’ll see why below for comparison) and I also noted the fact that Michael’s usually prominent navel is absent.
Picture of Chest Area
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OoVUhj4aRWA/TpUOYnGJtkI/AAAAAAAACi8/hv1enUcj5E4/s640/MJ+2011+Trial+Autopsy+1.JPG)
- The legs are attached right above the knee and a different color. Line above the knee to the blacked out area is different shade as the knees and below. Also note the color of the sheet between the legs is different, line matching where the legs are different colors
Picture of Legs/Knees Area
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mzcbcKYIGjI/TpUOkVgfKYI/AAAAAAAACjE/T0CpDTIx_9w/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+2.JPG)
- The neck is a different color and too long and the head is disproportionately large to the shoulders and length of neck. She said they should have attached the head a little bit lower. Head is different shade than the neck. Also note that the tape and tubing is still attached to Michael and in the same position as it is in the gurney shot from Day one. I also used red to point out the date, which is INDEED a number 8, not a six like Jane Vasquez tried to tell us that someone called in and said it was a six. It’s an eight.
Picture of Neck/Head Area
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xnRwM7P4GOc/TpUOvkbsVZI/AAAAAAAACjM/WHzu6yffTOc/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+3.BMP)
Now on the picture below, this is the gurney shot from day one of trial. Notice that in this picture, Michael’s head is in the same position, just “turned” which accounts for the distortion on the photo above. Michael also had a lot more bandages on his arms in the coroner’s picture than he does in the gurney shot. The tubing is in the same position as the tubing above.
Is there any reason to ADD bandages and gauze at the coroner’s office on a dead person?
Gurney shot/Tape and Tubing
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jwm6rKqf2nM/TpUO66vDM_I/AAAAAAAACjU/YZdKa5iPDY0/s640/MJ+2011+gurney+photo+cleaned.jpg)
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say this chop-job was INTENTIONALLY bad.
My mother told me “Whoever did this photo shop job is an amateur. I want this guy’s job.” She too agreed that it looked like it was done badly on purpose. For what purpose would that be?
I remember the photo shopped jobs of the TINI girls revealed on this blog last year. Their whole web site was taken down over this and a lot of scrambling on Sam DeGosson’s pages . . . all over discovered photoshopped jobs.
Pictures of Michael with “good friends for many years” appeared in tabloids and on news shows of people being interviewed that until Michael passed were only stalkers who slept outside his gate with seemingly no jobs to support themselves while they followed his caravan of SUV’s to and from doctor appointments and the Forum and back to Carolwood.
I’m sure there will be some who will attempt to bully me into saying I’m not seeing what I’m seeing, just like last year. But all I can remember is a little saying I used to hear a lot of from my mother, growing up . . .
“Two can play at that game!”
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/
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opinion a non believer with respect to photo
Follow up on Autopsy Photograph
My opinion on the autopsy photo is this – not genuine. Despite the debate about the date placed on the I.D. placard next to the body (I see an eight not a six), Most autopsy photos, for identification do not include the wigs or tapes still attached to the body’s wrists (that were not there in the gurney photos).
Secondly, THE LAW in regard to showing autopsy photos in a court room
Laws on public release of autopsy photos:
Photographs/Video Recordings
“Any and all photographs or video recordings of the body, or any portion of the body, of a deceased person taken by or for the coroner at the scene of death or in the course of a post mortem examination or autopsy are not available for inspection at any time pursuant to Section 129 of the California Code of Civil Procedure. Anyone wishing to inspect or obtain copies of photographs will be required to obtain a court order as outlined in Section 129.” Source and page 3 of this document Source
That is the law. Viewing autopsy photographs is NOT the right of the media or press under the law. If viewing autopsy pictures IN COURT, generally T.V. cameras are either turned toward the judge or the shot is blacked out.
HLN showed that picture at least THREE TIMES TODAY by different hosts, each saying they are “only going to show this once”, while at the same time blasting the necessity of the court’s decision to show it.
What?!!
Looking at the photo myself I originally was NOT going to post this photograph because of Michael’s privacy. However, It didn’t look right to me. I saw some major errors, so I sent this to Micheline and I sent it to my mother, who has a graphics art background. She called me back in about an hour and this is what she told me:
“Your picture that you sent me is a bunch of other pictures spliced together and they did a really sloppy job. Very unprofessional. This picture was put together in at least three different places.”
Since this is not a real autopsy photo, I am posting the picture below so that you can determine that the sections I examined were not altered.
Screenshot of Autopsy Photo
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7QJsJd3CEtA/TpUMvywmfhI/AAAAAAAACiM/8benOG_DCug/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+)
- Upper arms and across the chest is a wide stripe that is a different color all the way across the picture, including the background which is also a different color. On this photo I circled the multiples of bandages/gauze that don’t normally stay on a genuine autopsy photo (You’ll see why below for comparison) and I also noted the fact that Michael’s usually prominent navel is absent.
Picture of Chest Area
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OoVUhj4aRWA/TpUOYnGJtkI/AAAAAAAACi8/hv1enUcj5E4/s640/MJ+2011+Trial+Autopsy+1.JPG)
- The legs are attached right above the knee and a different color. Line above the knee to the blacked out area is different shade as the knees and below. Also note the color of the sheet between the legs is different, line matching where the legs are different colors
Picture of Legs/Knees Area
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mzcbcKYIGjI/TpUOkVgfKYI/AAAAAAAACjE/T0CpDTIx_9w/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+2.JPG)
- The neck is a different color and too long and the head is disproportionately large to the shoulders and length of neck. She said they should have attached the head a little bit lower. Head is different shade than the neck. Also note that the tape and tubing is still attached to Michael and in the same position as it is in the gurney shot from Day one. I also used red to point out the date, which is INDEED a number 8, not a six like Jane Vasquez tried to tell us that someone called in and said it was a six. It’s an eight.
Picture of Neck/Head Area
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xnRwM7P4GOc/TpUOvkbsVZI/AAAAAAAACjM/WHzu6yffTOc/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+3.BMP)
Now on the picture below, this is the gurney shot from day one of trial. Notice that in this picture, Michael’s head is in the same position, just “turned” which accounts for the distortion on the photo above. Michael also had a lot more bandages on his arms in the coroner’s picture than he does in the gurney shot. The tubing is in the same position as the tubing above.
Is there any reason to ADD bandages and gauze at the coroner’s office on a dead person?
Gurney shot/Tape and Tubing
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jwm6rKqf2nM/TpUO66vDM_I/AAAAAAAACjU/YZdKa5iPDY0/s640/MJ+2011+gurney+photo+cleaned.jpg)
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say this chop-job was INTENTIONALLY bad.
My mother told me “Whoever did this photo shop job is an amateur. I want this guy’s job.” She too agreed that it looked like it was done badly on purpose. For what purpose would that be?
I remember the photo shopped jobs of the TINI girls revealed on this blog last year. Their whole web site was taken down over this and a lot of scrambling on Sam DeGosson’s pages . . . all over discovered photoshopped jobs.
Pictures of Michael with “good friends for many years” appeared in tabloids and on news shows of people being interviewed that until Michael passed were only stalkers who slept outside his gate with seemingly no jobs to support themselves while they followed his caravan of SUV’s to and from doctor appointments and the Forum and back to Carolwood.
I’m sure there will be some who will attempt to bully me into saying I’m not seeing what I’m seeing, just like last year. But all I can remember is a little saying I used to hear a lot of from my mother, growing up . . .
“Two can play at that game!”
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/ (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/)
Hi Paula ....with all due respect just 2 things. There is a close up of the numbers and it is a 6. It's hard to tell in the larger photo but there is a photo around here of just the numbers and it is a 6. Another thing, about the bandages, I at first looked at those as weird too, now I don't know why they are still there or what the protocol is for removing things. But I did notice that the same two bandages are in the two photos. The left arm is positioned a little differently so it's a little harder to see in the gurney photo but it is there.
Other then that, great find on the knees and neck thing, that helped a lot.
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@Grace, excellent post. The autopsy pic is a wake up call for sure! I hope that people realize that and instead of turning the other cheek, they finally will open up their minds.
Ignorance of people purchasing diamonds and necklaces
And barely able to keep the payments up on their lessons
And enrolled in a class and don't know who the professor is
How low people go for the dough and make a mess of things?
From the lyrics "Shout" by Michael Jackson
/scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPiGY58x9cE&feature=related[/youtube]
L.O.V.E.
This is one of my favorite songs and what you quoted....some of my favorite lyrics.
Thank you.
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watch this ----------)) http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18805.125.html
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MJ Autopsy Photo- RESURRECTION:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4ndcXVF5w&feature=uploademail[/youtube]
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Is it only me, but I can see some similarities of this photo from autopsy pic
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/light-1.jpg)
and this from This is it
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/lights_es.jpg)
/overreacting/
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@Grace, excellent post. The autopsy pic is a wake up call for sure! I hope that people realize that and instead of turning the other cheek, they finally will open up their minds.
Ignorance of people purchasing diamonds and necklaces
And barely able to keep the payments up on their lessons
And enrolled in a class and don't know who the professor is
How low people go for the dough and make a mess of things?
From the lyrics "Shout" by Michael Jackson
/scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/ /scream/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPiGY58x9cE&feature=related[/youtube]
L.O.V.E.
This is one of my favorite songs and what you quoted....some of my favorite lyrics.
Thank you.
You're welcome, Gina :)
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There are problems with analyzing this photo. No one on the internet has a true original. They have the photo that was placed on an overhead that naturally washes out and sometimes even distorts pictures
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Good morning :)
I was looking at BACK's posts this morning. Here is a nice reminder that it's all under control. L.O.V.E.
http://imageshack.us/f/245/eyesplaytricksonusy.jpg/
PS - This was posted on the anniversary of Michael's aquittal but isn't it interesting that BACK called it a Memorum Day...
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My opinion about the number 6 versus the number 8 - Michael did that on purpose to further prove that what we see isn't always what the truth is. Our eyes play tricks on us, just as BACK said.
It is probably a 6 for sure but the fact that the attorney even brought up that it looked like an 8 and the coroner agreed tells me that it was meant to create controversy.
The August 25th information found is enough for me to believe that it's no mistake or coincidence that the 6 was made to look closely like an 8 but still be a 6.
We've proven BACK's comments to be true.
Blessings :)
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My opinion about the number 6 versus the number 8 - Michael did that on purpose to further prove that what we see isn't always what the truth is. Our eyes play tricks on us, just as BACK said.
It is probably a 6 for sure but the fact that the attorney even brought up that it looked like an 8 and the coroner agreed tells me that it was meant to create controversy.
The August 25th information found is enough for me to believe that it's no mistake or coincidence that the 6 was made to look closely like an 8 but still be a 6.
We've proven BACK's comments to be true.
Blessings :)
True, it was done on purpose, if we really zoom the pic, we can clearly see it is 6, but the black paint (or whatever material it is) is in my view purposely extended to create the confusion that it is an 8, for drawing attention and finding the clues :)
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I made a comment on the autopsy photo on another thread. I felt there was a reason why the photo was shown in court. Look at the photo closely. You will see the face of Jesus Christ. The Shroud of Turin. Jackieblue64 made a video about this photo and the connection to the resurrection. Someone mention in Jackieblue64 comment that Elvis was reading about the Shroud of Turin before his death.
Here's the youtube video
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/md4ndcXVF5w[/embed]
Here are some links about the Shroud of Turin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin)
http://www.shroud.com (http://www.shroud.com)
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I made a comment on the autopsy photo on another thread. I felt there was a reason why the photo was shown in court. Look at the photo closely. You will see the face of Jesus Christ. The Shroud of Turin. Jackieblue64 made a video about this photo and the connection to the resurrection. Someone mention in Jackieblue64 comment that Elvis was reading about the Shroud of Turin before his death.
Here's the youtube video
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/md4ndcXVF5w[/embed]
Here are some links about the Shroud of Turin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin)
http://www.shroud.com (http://www.shroud.com/)
That video from JackieBlue was excellent. I would not have seen that on my own but it's interesting that there are so many references to Christ. Michael - may God continue to bless you and keep you safe.
Blessings to each of you :)
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I know it's difficult to compare side by side because of the angle (done on purpose I'm sure), but maybe we can see something we're missing.
I don't understand why his head is now facing the other way. It is now at least 6 hours after he supposedly died and his lips are still red, and the entire body doesn't seem to have that look. He looks like he's sleeping.
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As much as I try to get off of the computer it's very difficult. Sometimes it drives me crazy when I see things that make me ????????????? the timing of it all....
Paris tweeted this out of the blue:
(http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1582485538/helloK_normal.jpg) pariisjaxn (http://twitter.com/#%21/pariisjaxn) Pαris Jαcksoη I can never just press the "Clear" button on a calculator just once. It's necessary to press it 8 times. 31 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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I took the ambulance picture and the supposedly death picture put them side by side. I see a difference, the death picture is not Michael, totally different. Now in the testimony they stated that Michael eyes were wide opened they couldn't close them.. How does it explain in the ambulance picture he has them closed... Once a person dies, instantly their lips become blue finger nails.. Michael's lips are nice and pinkish... That is not a color of a dead man.. Here are the pictures side by side.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OoVUhj4aRWA/TpUOYnGJtkI/AAAAAAAACi8/hv1enUcj5E4/s640/MJ+2011+Trial+Autopsy+1.JPG)
(http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/16/09/46/48/pecho10.jpg)
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The more I think of the "autopsy photo of MJ", the more I rely on this and it totally helps the situation. Pay attention to time 10:19...etc. Some of you all may remember this. Hope it helps. ;))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZjx4v7jOTU&feature=related
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I took the ambulance picture and the supposedly death picture put them side by side. I see a difference, the death picture is not Michael, totally different. Now in the testimony they stated that Michael eyes were wide opened they couldn't close them.. How does it explain in the ambulance picture he has them closed... Once a person dies, instantly their lips become blue finger nails.. Michael's lips are nice and pinkish... That is not a color of a dead man.. Here are the pictures side by side.
You're right because I remember when I saw Anna Nicole's autopsy photo, her lips looked like a purpleish blue color, and her skin was quite pale. When a person dies, they can't control their muscles in their face anymore nor other parts of their bodies including bowles(sry to sound graphic but it's true) and so fourth. Other than that, I heard from the trials and such that Michael had liner tattooed around his lips. Maybe that's where the color came from...but then again, the rest of the color on his mouth would be blue or something of a dead person. The photo looks like it's full of life at some point.
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The more I think of the "autopsy photo of MJ", the more I rely on this and it totally helps the situation. Pay attention to time 10:19...etc. Some of you all may remember this. Hope it helps. ;))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZjx4v7jOTU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZjx4v7jOTU&feature=related)
Thank you for sharing that video.. Yes I remember I did see the Oprah show.. The media is money hungry, they would sell their own mothers and say horrified stories ft they could make money.. That is so sad for what Michael had to endure. It is hard to live hearing these stupid stories that are untrue.. So we will eliminate the fact Michael faked his death because he did not want to grow old.. Which we all knew that. It gets me so angry, Michael has a good heart, I don't know if I would have been so patient as he is.. I probably would have done something, to clear my name once and for all
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The more I think of the "autopsy photo of MJ", the more I rely on this and it totally helps the situation. Pay attention to time 10:19...etc. Some of you all may remember this. Hope it helps. ;))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZjx4v7jOTU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZjx4v7jOTU&feature=related)
Thank you for sharing that video.. Yes I remember I did see the Oprah show.. The media is money hungry, they would sell their own mothers and say horrified stories ft they could make money.. That is so sad for what Michael had to endure. It is hard to live hearing these stupid stories that are untrue.. So we will eliminate the fact Michael faked his death because he did not want to grow old.. Which we all knew that. It gets me so angry, Michael has a good heart, I don't know if I would have been so patient as he is.. I probably would have done something, to clear my name once and for all
That's very true. Ppl can't stand the greater good due to jealousy and greed. The part I was reffering to in the vid where he was talking about how ppl take photos and make false accusations. But yeah, what goes around, comes around. Michael had a heart of PURE GOLD and then some. When you look @ him, all you see is love.
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[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/4rqazyy3mFo[/embed]
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The coroner works with sheets in the morgue:
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/03/24/marine415.jpg)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/03/marines-at-the.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/03/marines-at-the.html)
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We see the image of the Shroud of Turin (thought to be Christ's image, though I believe a hoax/fraud) in MJ's mid-section.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7QJsJd3CEtA/TpUMvywmfhI/AAAAAAAACiM/8benOG_DCug/s640/MJ+2011+trial+autopsy+)
In the oxygen chamber pic, the world sees the first time MJ lays down as if sleeping, and it clearly says, "Se(e) Christ".
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/26/article-0-05804D7B000005DC-315_634x376.jpg)
Perhaps like this appearing to be sleeping MJ, this latter pre-autopsy pic is ALSO of MJ sleeping. ???/
Relating to the "shroud" and the sheet MJ is laying on, and the linen wrappings of Jesus as told in the Bible.
John 19:37-42
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave [him] leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
John 20:4-7
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, [and looking in], saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Now it clearly says in v. 40 the linens were "wound" as in wrapped around like a mummy style. V. 7 there was a separate cloth that was "about" his head as well says it was wrapped around mummy-style. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18805.msg363254.html#msg363254
Clearly there is a comparison of the shroud of turin hoax to MJ's death and autopsy hoax.
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As for his lips still being red, remember that his lips were supposedly tattoed. Couldn't that cause them to still appear red even in death?
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WTF?? Can someone explain to me what I just saw in that Mssterfx video OMG! Was that real or illusion? I saw guts being pulled out and rags being stuffed in. WTH was that OMG! I don’t know what to think and/or say until I get some clarity. That was totally gross and if illusion, then hell ANYTHING is possible.
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WTF?? Can someone explain to me what I just saw in that Mssterfx video OMG! Was that real or illusion? I saw guts being pulled out and rags being stuffed in. WTH was that OMG! I don’t know what to think and/or say until I get some clarity. That was totally gross and if illusion, then hell ANYTHING is possible.
:lol: I've watched enough horror films (thanks to hubby), they can fake anything. The only part of the vid that wigged me out was the part where they were sewing the jaw closed. That looked too real suspicious//
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[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/4rqazyy3mFo[/embed]
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/misc/smiley-vault-misc-105.gif) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
I'm sorry what was the question again? :shock: It all looked real to me!
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There is a picture of MJ on the internet where he was swimming, coming out of a pool or spa and has black swimming trunks on. He is much younger, possibly around the Thriller time. But it shows a good shot of his legs and chest. I would post it here so we can compare it with the autopsy photo, but I don't know how to post the picture. I thought perhaps somebody has seen it and can post both side by side and see what we all see that is similar or not?
But, even IF, it really is MJ in the autopsy photo, it doesn't mean he is really dead. He could have just layed there for the pic, no? What do you think
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzGB4Mum8U&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzGB4Mum8U&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzGB4Mum8U&feature=player_embedded)
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I'm sorry what was the question again? :shock: It all looked real to me!
LOL that's the point!
You can fake it so well it looks totally real. More real than the real thing actually, real bodies
are different, well.. most of them. But these fake ones are more "OMG! pale/ " because
they are to impress, to create the scene, the picture.. Movies and so on :mrgreen:
Ok. About our body - I'm pretty sure I read months ago that the body will be
shown at autopsy table, with private parts covered. Back then I read "It will be done
to show jurors that Mr. Jackson was in good shape".
And I hoped it's media rumours as I was total non-believer back then,
but oops - it's exactly what happened. Ha, wonder if I read it on TMZ.
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It doesn't look like he's laying flat on the table. It looks like he could have been superimposed or 'shopped' there.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzGB4Mum8U&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzGB4Mum8U&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzGB4Mum8U&feature=player_embedded)
I've always loved Pearl's videos but the last 2 she has made are really AWESOME!! and she seems to get even more and more excited herself.... she usually is very calm and self-controled...but in the last ones she is happy as a child lol
I love the 8 (infinite ) design on the red curtain behind her ;)
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You guys seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA
It's almost an exact match!
(Also, hurray for reviving old threads!) ;D
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You guys seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA)
It's almost an exact match!
(Also, hurray for reviving old threads!) ;D
OMG it IS an exact match! YES!! Thank you so much for posting. Who discovered this?
HOAXERS +1
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You guys seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA)
It's almost an exact match!
(Also, hurray for reviving old threads!) ;D
OMG it IS an exact match! YES!! Thank you so much for posting. Who discovered this?
HOAXERS +1
No problem, I'm not sure who discovered this but I did link someone to the Pictures a while back, they never replied. It was about the Gurney picture, but they ignored me, I'm assuming they used the same pictures... :geek:
No problem, glad to be of service :D
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So the death picture used in court is certainly a fake. Michael was never posed there on a gurney at all. ALL PHOTOSHOP? The eyeliner smudging and lighting on the lid is undeniable.
OMG! OMG! OMG!
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THIS IS BIG! /bravo/ party/
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So the death picture used in court is certainly a fake. Michael was never posed there on a gurney at all. ALL PHOTOSHOP? The eyeliner smudging and lighting on the lid is undeniable.
OMG! OMG! OMG!
I could provide an overlay if you want, the picture is an exact match. The chin is in line, the eyes, the face and cheeks are the same and the theory about the Hairline is now debunked, I guess.
Yes, I'm assuming it's all pretty much Photoshop. How else would it be an exact match? sure the colours are different, but it's not hard to change them.
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(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg)
But that's still a good body match. And when they show the video of the room within the room and all the security walking around, then I guess they could have anybody laying in that bed.
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(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg)
But that's still a good body match. And when they show the video of the room within the room and all the security walking around, then I guess they could have anybody laying in that bed.
I didn't quite comprehend that...
All I can say is that this piece of evidence is crucial, isn't it? the Body could've been a Dummy, they could've photoshopped Michael's face onto it. The face is an exact match to the Picture.
To me, the Room looked like a prop-room. Fleak testified and accidentally slipped the word "Prop-room" so I have no reason to be suprised. I tell ya, these people are doing such a bad job.
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Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but could it line up because it really IS Michael, in both pictures? I guess I don't understand how this means that this is " the keep it in the closet" photo and not just another picture of him. They would both line up because they are both of the same man. Or am I just not getting it. Believe me, I really want to get excited about this, but just seems like there should be another picture to compare.
Also, the photo is comparing the left eye with the right eye, I don't know...
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I was noticing something... the neck in the autopsy photo looks almost waxy, compared to the keep it in the closet photo. What do you all think about that?
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Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but could it line up because it really IS Michael, in both pictures? I guess I don't understand how this means that this is " the keep it in the closet" photo and not just another picture of him. They would both line up because they are both of the same man. Or am I just not getting it. Believe me, I really want to get excited about this, but just seems like there should be another picture to compare.
Also, the photo is comparing the left eye with the right eye, I don't know...
I think you're on you're own tracks here. No, the picture wouldn't line up to be exactly the same, because it's supposed to be the same Man. The sole reason why it's fake is because everything is exactly the same. You can't just take a picture of someone and have everything match in the exact same places and faceshape, it's completely in-line.
The pictures are merely for shock value, haven't you guys ever heard of that?
It's not just the eye, girl. It's the Eyes, the eyebrows, the chin, the face shape and the hairline. It's all too uncanny, even for a Non-beLIEver.
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I was noticing something... the neck in the autopsy photo looks almost waxy, compared to the keep it in the closet photo. What do you all think about that?
Girl, I think that it's a Prosthetic Model with a face photoshopped onto it. Sorry to be blunt, but it just seems too apparant.
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(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg) (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/gallery/3516_18_10_11_10_52_33.png)
Reversed Closet pic lolol/
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(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg) (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/gallery/3516_18_10_11_10_52_33.png)
Reversed Closet pic lolol/
Thanks, I'm considering overlaying this... I'm not sure if people would be able to see it right, though. It's complicated. I guess I could make a better side-by-side comparison at the same angles? let me know.
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@Raikiramari here is a side by side pic, I am not very good at it - you could probably do it better
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/gallery/3516_18_10_11_11_54_02.png)
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@Raikiramari here is a side by side pic, I am not very good at it - you could probably do it better
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/gallery/3516_18_10_11_11_41_51.png)
Thankies, I think I should adjust the angle and it'll be spot on, not that it isn't already same but just for clarification.
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
I did some work on the "In The Closet" Picture in Paint Tool SAI, it's not the best. I also got the picture to the correct angle, if you overlay the two they are EXACTLY on point.
At the correct angle: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep-1.png)
Edited: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep.jpg) (Not the best, but damn I tried and it looks so... like the picture)
I only edited the picture for a total of six minutes, just goes to show how horribly and cheaply done this is. (Shakes head) What will they think of next?
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Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but could it line up because it really IS Michael, in both pictures? I guess I don't understand how this means that this is " the keep it in the closet" photo and not just another picture of him. They would both line up because they are both of the same man. Or am I just not getting it. Believe me, I really want to get excited about this, but just seems like there should be another picture to compare.
Also, the photo is comparing the left eye with the right eye, I don't know...
I think you're on you're own tracks here. No, the picture wouldn't line up to be exactly the same, because it's supposed to be the same Man. The sole reason why it's fake is because everything is exactly the same. You can't just take a picture of someone and have everything match in the exact same places and faceshape, it's completely in-line.
The pictures are merely for shock value, haven't you guys ever heard of that?
It's not just the eye, girl. It's the Eyes, the eyebrows, the chin, the face shape and the hairline. It's all too uncanny, even for a Non-beLIEver.
But this face in the autopsy is not that of a 50 year old man. I think the reason the photoshop overlay is so exact is because it was taken from a picture from 17 years ago. It is the exact same everything (eyes, lips, chin, etc) like you said.
There is no way you could look at this picture and see a 50 year old Michael, or an old white man either...I know Arnold Klein is a good dermatologist/plastic surgeon, but he ain't THAT good.
Now it makes sense why Alberto Alvarez would state "50 year old man" on the 911 call. And then the paramedics said the man looked like an old white man who is terminally ill, (but neither description fits the body in this autopsy photo)
Well, I look at this autopsy picture, I see a 1991 version of Michael Jackson :geek:
...It's a fake.
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Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but could it line up because it really IS Michael, in both pictures? I guess I don't understand how this means that this is " the keep it in the closet" photo and not just another picture of him. They would both line up because they are both of the same man. Or am I just not getting it. Believe me, I really want to get excited about this, but just seems like there should be another picture to compare.
Also, the photo is comparing the left eye with the right eye, I don't know...
I think you're on you're own tracks here. No, the picture wouldn't line up to be exactly the same, because it's supposed to be the same Man. The sole reason why it's fake is because everything is exactly the same. You can't just take a picture of someone and have everything match in the exact same places and faceshape, it's completely in-line.
The pictures are merely for shock value, haven't you guys ever heard of that?
It's not just the eye, girl. It's the Eyes, the eyebrows, the chin, the face shape and the hairline. It's all too uncanny, even for a Non-beLIEver.
It is the exact same everything (eyes, lips, chin, etc) like you said----> that's the problem.
I think the one thing that is glaringly obvious is that the reason the overlay is so exact is it's because it was taken from a face from 17 years ago.
This face is not that of a 50 year old man...the face in the autopsy picture is not that of a 50 year old man.
There is no way you could look at this autopsy picture and see a 50 year old man...I know Arnold Klein is a good dermatologist, but he ain't THAT good.
Now it makes why Alberto Alvarez would state "50 year old man" on the 911 call. And then the paramedics said the man looked like an old white man, terminally ill.
Well, I look at this autopsy picture and I don't see either of those! I see a 1991 version of Michael Jackson :geek:
...It's a fake.
Girl, there's no way that this is Michael as much as the Non-beLIEvers seem to think it is, absolutely not him.
I reason with Non-beLIEvers, but this? THIS, this is just the beginning of something for us.
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Interesting work guys! I agree...the man in the autopsy pic does not look like he is 50 years old but much younger, extremely skinny (he actually looks pretty fit to me), and does not look terminally ill. So either this was staged by Michael or the paramedics and people who described the body are completely delusional lolol/
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They tried to be clever and use Mike's right eye and pass it off as his left one for this "autopsy pic". ;))
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
I did some work on the "In The Closet" Picture in Paint Tool SAI, it's not the best. I also got the picture to the correct angle, if you overlay the two they are EXACTLY on point.
At the correct angle: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep-1.png)
Edited: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep.jpg) (Not the best, but damn I tried and it looks so... like the picture)
I only edited the picture for a total of six minutes, just goes to show how horribly and cheaply done this is. (Shakes head) What will they think of next?
/bravo/ you did a fantastic job.. It is photoshopped. OMG!
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You guys seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA
It's almost an exact match!
(Also, hurray for reviving old threads!) ;D
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! Thanks a bunch for sharing that video. Quite a shocker. I don't think I would have ever noticed! Wow...... ::P
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
I did some work on the "In The Closet" Picture in Paint Tool SAI, it's not the best. I also got the picture to the correct angle, if you overlay the two they are EXACTLY on point.
At the correct angle: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep-1.png)
Edited: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep.jpg) (Not the best, but damn I tried and it looks so... like the picture)
I only edited the picture for a total of six minutes, just goes to show how horribly and cheaply done this is. (Shakes head) What will they think of next?
lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ Wow...! I'm literally over here lmbo because this is just soooo crazy. Haha. Thanks for pointing this out. It's funny how this photo has been disected since it was released. We won't allow MJ to die. EVER! Nor will we ever believe the lies that media tends to feed.
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The question is, does the defense and the DA attorney know this pic is photoshopped?? I am wondering if they do not see that this pic looks like Michael in the 90's very young. I guess they are in lala land.
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They tried to be clever and use Mike's right eye and pass it off as his left one for this "autopsy pic". ;))
Interesting insight:
Michael has two right eyes now - at least on that picture.
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I dont know why I didnt notice this before...
Yes the photo is definitely photoshopped.
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/newmj1.png">
You may need to save the photo and zoom in to see these:
Where I have the arrows, there are color changes and pixilation in these areas...they don't match up. They were spliced onto a "body"
they spliced MJ's head on a body, spliced the neck and shoulders ( if you look CLOSELY, you will notice the area I circled which is a white splotch that shouldn't be there as it does not match the sheets at all.
ALSO...here's the BIG one...the whole BODY was imposed on the background...look around the outline of the body, you will notice what looks like to be a shadow...its not a halo...
those familiar with cropping and overlaying will understand what I'm trying to explain...if the overlay isn't done neat and clean, you will get an outline around the image that you are overlaying onto another photo. Also, the outline around MJ's body is PURPLE. Its around the whole outline of the body...you will have to zoom in to see it...
Thus my fine friends....a horrible PHOTOSHOPPED autopsy picture.
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/mjfinger.png">
And why is there a FINGER in the corner? It's a PICTURE of a PICTURE...the person holding the picture for the camera got his finger captured....what an idiot :)
What more proof do we need that he is alive? /bravo/
You have to understand something:
Michael did things for "shock" value...he is notorious for doing them...the oxygen chamber photo for example.
yes, he was a private person...but the photo is NOT him...its his face and the rest was super imposed on a body that is NOT his. he has vitilago, his body was splotchy in color as described in Jermaine's book.
He was not using bleaching cream to make himself "white" he was using a cream to even out his skin tone so the appearance wasn't blotchy. If this was his body, you would see an uneven mix of dark and light...Jermaine said his body looked like someone splashed him with coffee.
I see NOTHING in the photos that resembles someone with vitilago...too much pixilation, too many overlays, too many imperfections with the background, colors aren't matching up correctly and the fact there is a purple outline around the body PROVES beyond a doubt the body was overlapped onto what looks like a white sheet.
trust me, the photo is fake and I'm willing to bet my life on it. :-*
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Very nice work Raikiramari! It seems they cut out a third of MJ beautiful muscular neck, and the jugular is in the middle all shiny. It should be on the turned side in line with the chin, as the closet pic. This shows that the body and neck they stuck MJ's face on had his head straight. I really think MJ intended for us to find the matching pic to reassure us hoaxers that it is poorly photoshopped and he is watching!!
moonwalk_/
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg)
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Very nice work Raikiramari! It seems they cut out a third of MJ beautiful muscular neck, and the jugular is in the middle all shiny. It should be on the turned side in line with the chin, as the closet pic. This shows that the body and neck they stuck MJ's face on had his head straight. I really think MJ intended for us to find the matching pic to reassure us hoaxers that it is poorly photoshopped and he is watching!!
moonwalk_/
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg)
Sorry for not responding earlier guys, the time differences between wherever you guys are and the UK are a massive pain in the butt.
No problem! I guess all that's left for me to do is debunk the Gurney Picture, if you want me to?
Oh, you guys I also forgot to mention. You know where the surgical tape is added onto Michael's nose? you can see that on the ITC Photo there's a shadow of a bar somewhere below his nose, I suggest you look at that carefully because this is where they photoshopped the tape in.
I may, later do an exact photoshop. I've been using Paint Tool SAI lately and it's not that great for editing pictures, it only gives you so many options.
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They tried to be clever and use Mike's right eye and pass it off as his left one for this "autopsy pic". ;))
Interesting insight:
Michael has two right eyes now - at least on that picture.
Never noticed that, heh.
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The question is, does the defense and the DA attorney know this pic is photoshopped?? I am wondering if they do not see that this pic looks like Michael in the 90's very young. I guess they are in lala land.
My vote is that yes, they probably do know. Remember the Trial is a massive circus and I think this has made it clear.
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Okay, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but could it line up because it really IS Michael, in both pictures? I guess I don't understand how this means that this is " the keep it in the closet" photo and not just another picture of him. They would both line up because they are both of the same man. Or am I just not getting it. Believe me, I really want to get excited about this, but just seems like there should be another picture to compare.
Also, the photo is comparing the left eye with the right eye, I don't know...
I think you're on you're own tracks here. No, the picture wouldn't line up to be exactly the same, because it's supposed to be the same Man. The sole reason why it's fake is because everything is exactly the same. You can't just take a picture of someone and have everything match in the exact same places and faceshape, it's completely in-line.
The pictures are merely for shock value, haven't you guys ever heard of that?
It's not just the eye, girl. It's the Eyes, the eyebrows, the chin, the face shape and the hairline. It's all too uncanny, even for a Non-beLIEver.
But this face in the autopsy is not that of a 50 year old man. I think the reason the photoshop overlay is so exact is because it was taken from a picture from 17 years ago. It is the exact same everything (eyes, lips, chin, etc) like you said.
There is no way you could look at this picture and see a 50 year old Michael, or an old white man either...I know Arnold Klein is a good dermatologist/plastic surgeon, but he ain't THAT good.
Now it makes sense why Alberto Alvarez would state "50 year old man" on the 911 call. And then the paramedics said the man looked like an old white man who is terminally ill, (but neither description fits the body in this autopsy photo)
Well, I look at this autopsy picture, I see a 1991 version of Michael Jackson :geek:
...It's a fake.
I didn't see this reply, I think. Exactly, the face isn't that of a 50 year old Man. The reason why it matches up is because it's photoshopped, I didn't use photoshop for this either, I used SAI for the overlay then flipped back and forth between the two pictures. But you're right.
this autopsy is 100% fake, I think they either used a Prosthetic model or a wax model for the Body, then later photoshopped the head in.
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You guys, I've further investigated this and I've caught up on something interesting.
Let's be realistic here, we all know what madame tussaud's is, right? well, for those who don't... Madame tussauds is widely known for doing wax models. I'm just wondering, could they have made a dummy wax model for the autopsy?
Michael knew about Madame tussauds museums and visited a couple times, perhaps he could've had one made for him? I remember hearing something about Michael owning dummies for pranks?
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@Raikiramari. Very interesting find, wow /bravo/
First time I saw the autopsy photo I thought "Michael" looked very young for being 50 years old.No wonder when pic head was taken from in the closet music video.
@fatalkiss26 the thumb, you can see in the autopsy photo, I think it's defence lawyer's thumb( can't remember his name, lighr brown hair.)????
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@Raikiramari. Very interesting find, wow /bravo/
First time I saw the autopsy photo I thought "Michael" looked very young for being 50 years old.No wonder when pic head was taken from in the closet music video.
@fatalkiss26 the thumb, you can see in the autopsy photo, I think it's defence lawyer's thumb( can't remember his name, lighr brown hair.)????
I'm trying out some experiments right now, finding more information for you guys. I'll tell you when I've found something :)
Yes, that's what I thought...
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I think Michael could have just posed for that picture.. I guess that's not a problem for him.. :roll: He said in his interview he would love to act in a movie - the main acting role.
Well, here he is - the main character of the story.
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
I did some work on the "In The Closet" Picture in Paint Tool SAI, it's not the best. I also got the picture to the correct angle, if you overlay the two they are EXACTLY on point.
At the correct angle: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep-1.png)
Edited: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep.jpg) (Not the best, but damn I tried and it looks so... like the picture)
I only edited the picture for a total of six minutes, just goes to show how horribly and cheaply done this is. (Shakes head) What will they think of next?
Thank you for the good job. Anything can be done with photoshop but I'm not still sure if this is the same picture of Michael from ITC. The eyebrows are too different. But maybe they changed it on purpose.
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You guys, I've further investigated this and I've caught up on something interesting.
Let's be realistic here, we all know what madame tussaud's is, right? well, for those who don't... Madame tussauds is widely known for doing wax models. I'm just wondering, could they have made a dummy wax model for the autopsy?
Michael knew about Madame tussauds museums and visited a couple times, perhaps he could've had one made for him? I remember hearing something about Michael owning dummies for pranks?
I would say, why not? That is possible.
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
I did some work on the "In The Closet" Picture in Paint Tool SAI, it's not the best. I also got the picture to the correct angle, if you overlay the two they are EXACTLY on point.
At the correct angle: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep-1.png)
Edited: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep.jpg) (Not the best, but damn I tried and it looks so... like the picture)
I only edited the picture for a total of six minutes, just goes to show how horribly and cheaply done this is. (Shakes head) What will they think of next?
Thank you for the good job. Anything can be done with photoshop but I'm not still sure if this is the same picture of Michael from ITC. The eyebrows are too different. But maybe they changed it on purpose.
No problem.
Oh, the eyebrows are the same. You just have to overlay them to get the Match, you see I haven't overlayed this on these pictures. If I could provide a Video with the Match I would. Maybe a Gif or Morph, something like that and you'd see the eyebrows are infact at the same angle and are the same thickness, length... ETC..
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You guys, I've further investigated this and I've caught up on something interesting.
Let's be realistic here, we all know what madame tussaud's is, right? well, for those who don't... Madame tussauds is widely known for doing wax models. I'm just wondering, could they have made a dummy wax model for the autopsy?
Michael knew about Madame tussauds museums and visited a couple times, perhaps he could've had one made for him? I remember hearing something about Michael owning dummies for pranks?
I would say, why not? That is possible.
Hmm, very possible. I could contact Madame Tussauds and ask them if they created any models prior to June 25th 2009.
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Ok maybe I'm having a silly moment but how are there comments about this photo being fake a long with the 3 side by side comparison photos on page 1 of this thread from JUNE 2011??? I am totally confused??!! Please help! WTF??
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Ok maybe I'm having a silly moment but how are there comments about this photo being fake a long with the 3 side by side comparison photos on page 1 of this thread from JUNE 2011??? I am totally confused??!! Please help! WTF??
No, somebody changed their Signature to have the Picture on it. When they post this signature sticks around with them, look below my comment and you'll see some Eminem Lyrics. This is a signature, it's just something you have around with you on the Forum, some people have GIFS, words of Pictures for their signatures.
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Ohhhh that was so confusing to me!! Thanks for explaining!!! I make myself laugh haha :lol:
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Ohhhh that was so confusing to me!! Thanks for explaining!!! I make myself laugh haha :lol:
It's okay, the first time I went onto a Forum I didn't understand either, lol.
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:lol: :lol: except I've been on here for 2 years now :lol: :lol:
Oh well we can hope that one day I will learn! :)
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I have a question about this picture and the deathbed picture. Why is his arm bandaged on the autopsy picture rather than on the hospital picture. That seems kind of backwards to me.
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You guys seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA)
It's almost an exact match!
(Also, hurray for reviving old threads!) ;D
OMG it IS an exact match! YES!! Thank you so much for posting. Who discovered this?
HOAXERS +1
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg)
The credit for these pics should go to @Covet7Secrets on twitter aka MJFanFOREVERAndADAY on YouTube. Also one of the contributors to her chatroom discovered the relevant In the Closet pic. Thank you very much to both for this fantastic find respect/
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/bravo/ that is amazing work. We all know Michael had peach fuzz hair, kind of bald. One thing always puzzled me how does he have hair in that picture? It looks like his hair in the 80 90.. Did they put a wig on before they took the picture? So this pic that you guys found it looks like an exact match.. That is not Michael in that gurney, he is alive..
I did some work on the "In The Closet" Picture in Paint Tool SAI, it's not the best. I also got the picture to the correct angle, if you overlay the two they are EXACTLY on point.
At the correct angle: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep-1.png)
Edited: (http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/KWGF/yep.jpg) (Not the best, but damn I tried and it looks so... like the picture)
I only edited the picture for a total of six minutes, just goes to show how horribly and cheaply done this is. (Shakes head) What will they think of next?
Thank you for the good job. Anything can be done with photoshop but I'm not still sure if this is the same picture of Michael from ITC. The eyebrows are too different. But maybe they changed it on purpose.
No problem.
Oh, the eyebrows are the same. You just have to overlay them to get the Match, you see I haven't overlayed this on these pictures. If I could provide a Video with the Match I would. Maybe a Gif or Morph, something like that and you'd see the eyebrows are infact at the same angle and are the same thickness, length... ETC..
We have to keep in mind that you used a picture of Mike in 1993/94.
Here is one of the most recent pics of MJ before June 25, 2009:
(http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/blogs/files/2010/01/michaeljackson300.jpg)
The bone structure and eyebrow arch are way off!!
This could've passed for MJ in 1993 MAYBE (not likely even then because his vitiligo hadn't spread as much as it has now). The head is NOT MJ's imo, the body is NOT MJ's imo. This picture is in no way, shape or form a picture of Michael Jackson. I rest my case lol.
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The only issue that I think that still remains is that the mouth is different in each photo. The autopsy photo the mouth is closed in the In The Closet photo his mouth is open.
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And why is there a FINGER in the corner? It's a PICTURE of a PICTURE...the person holding the picture for the camera got his finger captured....what an idiot :)
That picture is a screenshot from the stream or video of the stream on youtube from when Walgren put the photo on the overhead projector, the finger is Walgren's finger.
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I was a bit sceptical, until i realized that you can see the shadow on Michaels face on the right in BOTH pics. Oh my gosh, could it be!!!
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I was a bit sceptical, until i realized that you can see the shadow on his face on the right on BOTH pics. Oh my gosh can this really be the same pic!!!!
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can we get a close up of that TII pic, you can confirm it is Michael by his unusually wide tooth on the bottom.
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You guys seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0OIk6oqQA)
It's almost an exact match!
(Also, hurray for reviving old threads!) ;D
OMG it IS an exact match! YES!! Thank you so much for posting. Who discovered this?
HOAXERS +1
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/autopsyface.jpg)
The credit for these pics should go to @Covet7Secrets on twitter aka MJFanFOREVERAndADAY on YouTube. Also one of the contributors to her chatroom discovered the relevant In the Closet pic. Thank you very much to both for this fantastic find respect/
Yes Finfin, thanks. I've already thanked her for this plenty, I hope she's fine with me sharing it here.
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For those in doubt, I contacted Madame Tussauds VIA facebook from the official site, here's what I said:
"Just wanted to know, how many models were made during 2009 from September to august? also, has there ever been BLANK models?"
Madame tussauds reply was:
"Hi Abby, we didn't make any figures for Madame Tussauds London in August - September 2009. We did however launch Michael Jackson in July 2009 and Leona Lewis in October 2009. :)"
A little odd making a Model of Michael not long after his death, right?
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_g1k_7qs[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_g1k_7qs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_g1k_7qs)
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We have to keep in mind that you used a picture of Mike in 1993/94.
Here is one of the most recent pics of MJ before June 25, 2009:
(http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/blogs/files/2010/01/michaeljackson300.jpg)
The bone structure and eyebrow arch are way off!!
This could've passed for MJ in 1993 MAYBE (not likely even then because his vitiligo hadn't spread as much as it has now). The head is NOT MJ's imo, the body is NOT MJ's imo. This picture is in no way, shape or form a picture of Michael Jackson. I rest my case lol.
I agree Moon. I see no Michael in the autopsy pic. The shape of the eyebrows are too different and also eyes, and lips too. But as I wrote before, maybe they changed the way he looks with photoshop totally. Because that is someone totally different than Michael in that pic. It can be a wax dummy tho.
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I've been going around and round on this autopsy photo and here's what I think.
I think the photo is a combination of a wax mannequin and photoshopping. Clearly, there is the technology to make a mannequin replica of Michael Jackson (Madame Toussauds is proof of that). And we know photoshop can easily be utilized (ambulance picture).
But perhaps the mannequin in the autopsy photo does not "function" like a lucid person (in other words if you lie it down, say on a gurney, it does not have the "aura" of the living person it's replicating--->Michael Jackson).
The difference between the Leave me alone video (where Michael has a wax replica of himself lying down) and this autopsy picture is that with moving video frames, the "fakeness" of the object is not so obvious. But in a "still" shot/picture, like this autopsy photo, it is more apparent.
This is where the photoshop comes in. The shadows created are from an overlay (a picture on top of a picture---or in this case a picture of the mannequin on the gurney with a picture of Michaels face super imposed over it) to give it a more "humanistic" look .
I think this was done also with the "death" pic, which would explain the awkward positioning of the body (and odd leg angles).
The Iodine/Betadine staining and "bruising" are meant to distract from the face (which is turned away from the camera). This is intentional because the photoshopped face is not an exact match, it is only meant to give the "wax Michael" a softer, more human appearance.
The body in the "death" photo, the head is turned to the left (camera facing) with bright light....but in the autopsy photo the head is facing to the right (away from the camera) in dark lighting. The "light/dark" presentation would give the illusion that the photos where "taken" at different locations.
The light quality, picture angle, tubing, twisted sheets etc...is all designed to distract us from looking really hard at the details of the face (at least to a casual observer---but obviously us HOAX people would pick it apart :lol: ).
So my conclusion is that because the ambulance photo was a fake, that we can assume these photos are also fake.
Remember, only ONE coroner testified under oath...Christopher Rogers (and he made no references to the photo). The other coroner/toxicologist Dan Anderson, was GIVEN vials of blood to test (He did not draw the blood himself)
*In my opinion, there are two "bodies" a real 50 year old John Doe terminal ill patient (who was transported from Carolwood to UCLA and worked on) and a wax replica of Michael Jackson (death/autopsy pic photo evidence).
*The medic said the patient looked like an old terminally ill white man....DOES ANYONE SEE THAT IN THIS AUTOPSY PIC?....I think not! 8-)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_g1k_7qs[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_g1k_7qs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_g1k_7qs)
When was this Model made? I've seen quite a few models that Madame tussauds have made of Michael, it would help please. confused/
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I've been going around and round on this autopsy photo and here's what I think.
I think the photo is a combination of a wax mannequin and photoshopping. Clearly, there is the technology to make a mannequin replica of Michael Jackson (Madame Toussauds is proof of that). And we know photoshop can easily be utilized (ambulance picture).
But perhaps the mannequin in the autopsy photo does not "function" like a lucid person (in other words if you lie it down, say on a gurney, it does not have the "aura" of the living person it's replicating--->Michael Jackson).
The difference between the Leave me alone video (where Michael has a wax replica of himself lying down) and this autopsy picture is that with moving video frames, the "fakeness" of the object is not so obvious. But in a "still" shot/picture, like this autopsy photo, it is more apparent.
This is where the photoshop comes in. The shadows created are from an overlay (a picture on top of a picture---or in this case a picture of the mannequin on the gurney with a picture of Michaels face super imposed over it) to give it a more "humanistic" look .
I think this was done also with the "death" pic, which would explain the awkward positioning of the body (and odd leg angles).
The Iodine/Betadine staining and "bruising" are meant to distract from the face (which is turned away from the camera). This is intentional because the photoshopped face is not an exact match, it is only meant to give the "wax Michael" a softer, more human appearance.
The body in the "death" photo, the head is turned to the left (camera facing) with bright light....but in the autopsy photo the head is facing to the right (away from the camera) in dark lighting. The "light/dark" presentation would give the illusion that the photos where "taken" at different locations.
The light quality, picture angle, tubing, twisted sheets etc...is all designed to distract us from looking really hard at the details of the face (at least to a casual observer---but obviously us HOAX people would pick it apart :lol: ).
So my conclusion is that because the ambulance photo was a fake, that we can assume these photos are also fake.
Remember, only ONE coroner testified under oath...Christopher Rogers (and he made no references to the photo). The other coroner/toxicologist Dan Anderson, was GIVEN vials of blood to test (He did not draw the blood himself)
*In my opinion, there are two "bodies" a real 50 year old John Doe terminal ill patient (who was transported from Carolwood to UCLA and worked on) and a wax replica of Michael Jackson (death/autopsy pic photo evidence).
*The medic said the patient looked like an old terminally ill white man....DOES ANYONE SEE THAT IN THIS AUTOPSY PIC?....I think not! 8-)
Thanks for this! <3
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This is an old video, but where did all that pictures come from?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPfxoklQkpk&feature=related[/youtube]
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This is an old video, but where did all that pictures come from?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPfxoklQkpk&feature=related[/youtube]
I think those are still frames from the "famous crime scene-michael jackson" series. ;)
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The more I'm zooming in on the picture the more strange things I see Maybe I'm just loosing my mind but did anyone noticed if you zoom in on the autopsy picture it almost looks like his left eye is not entirely closed?
Also what's up with the strange pointy shoulder? Also on the left side? There you can clearly see that his picture is photoshopped and 'fixed'. Ugh I can't find the right words, but if you look at his left shoulder/neck side ( the one where his arm is half under the blanket ) You can see a 'pointy thing' just at the ending of the neck/ beginning of the shoulder. To me as a photoshop user that particulair part looks like a 'resize gone bad' or a 'sh*t I cut off too much of this picture now it looks strange and out of place' thing.
OK so I've did a little Photoshop work on this picture as well ( the one All4loveandbelieve made thank you for it! )
And I decided to cut and paste some of the parts of the ITC picture on to the '' autopsy'' picture. I chose 'overlay' to make it more 'fitting' and I have darkened the parts a little bit for you all to see what parts I photoshopped on to it :)
Let me know what you think ok?
Also the 'dark spots' around his head on the 'autopsy picture' looks like 'smudge spots' to me ( those who use photoshop probably know what I mean)
Here's the link to the picture ( for some reason I only get a red x if I try to insert an image? confused/ If someone could put it on here for me I would be very happy haha )
http://twitpic.com/73g6kb
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Someone asked back on page 8 if we could compare the picture with MJ coming out of the pool. I did that and posted it last week in the TIAI thread, but I will post it here too. I altered the autopsy picture to make the size more believable, because I think they squeezed it and made the legs look shorter. Anyways, I think it's a match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/awkward.jpg)
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To me it looks like hard edges in some areas when I used photoshop bl/wh infrared.
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Someone asked back on page 8 if we could compare the picture with MJ coming out of the pool. I did that and posted it last week in the TIAI thread, but I will post it here too. I altered the autopsy picture to make the size more believable, because I think they squeezed it and made the legs look shorter. Anyways, I think it's a match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/../../../images/awkward.jpg)
There was something about this photo that didn't look right to me and now I'm finally able to put my finger on it. If you look at the width between his shoulders and his hips they don't line up the right way. Unless, he had a major um 'Italian cut' and I only say that because I don't know how else to say it, but for men's suits if the shoulders are wider then then hips it's called an Italian cut. I truly hope that makes sense to someone who can possibly explain it better then I can. It looks as if the top half of the body and the bottom half are from two different people. Of course as many of us said in the beginning when it comes to the legs, there is no muscle tone what so ever.
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Souza, are you saying it is Michael in the autopsy photo? Not sure what you mean sorry.
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Hi I found this picture it stated that it was on his final days. You can see he is having wrinkles on his upper lip and his neck.. So how can the autposy picture be him.. Yes it is him when he was in his late 30 early 40.. Here is the picture.
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Hi I found this picture it stated that it was on his final days. You can see he is having wrinkles on his upper lip and his neck.. So how can the autposy picture be him.. Yes it is him when he was in his late 30 early 40.. Here is the picture.
This is from court, in 2005, at trial.
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Not according to the picture,but this one is a 2005 trial pic.
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Is it actually normal for a dead body that is not in the state of rigor mortis yet to have its head hanging to the side? Would it have been impossible for his face to be facing the camera without help? I've honestly never seen a dead person, so I don't know.
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His position and even the wrist bands contradict the photo that was taken allegedly only moments before; the gurney photo.
His head went from being to the left facing the camera, to the right and slightly up. The wrist band changed, and the face changed. He went from having bare lips/no makeup, to having what appears to be makeup on.
If you go by the gurney photo, his lips and overall colouring of the body should have been a more grey/blue colour.
On a side note, if anyone here has watched the Saw movies, the Jigsaw character dies in one of them and has an autopsy done. It looked EXACTLY like him and graphically real with his body having an overall grey/pale look. Anything could have been done in this photo.
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Someone asked back on page 8 if we could compare the picture with MJ coming out of the pool. I did that and posted it last week in the TIAI thread, but I will post it here too. I altered the autopsy picture to make the size more believable, because I think they squeezed it and made the legs look shorter. Anyways, I think it's a match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/awkward.jpg)
Looks like a true match. Still I would have liked to see his feet which seem to be big and one can´t appreciate that in the pics shown at court.
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Michael was training with Lou Ferigno, there is no way that is Michael's body, where are the muscles.. He is a dancer, I am sure he continue dancing even if he did not perform.. No muscle mass, nothing. Just a plain straight body.. That is not Michael's body..
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Michael was training with Lou Ferigno, there is no way that is Michael's body, where are the muscles.. He is a dancer, I am sure he continue dancing even if he did not perform.. No muscle mass, nothing. Just a plain straight body.. That is not Michael's body..
Muscle mass requires an excess of calories. And alot at that. My husband and son weight train and have been doing so for a number of years. I started only 2 years ago, mainly for strength and body composition. It takes alot of dedication and hard work. According to those around him Michael wasn't eating much. It's impossible to build any noticeable visual muscle mass on the body without the excess of calories and the lifting of heavy weights on a regular basis. It also takes alot more time than the few months Michael was reportedly working out with Lou for. These things combined with adequate rest between workouts to allow the muscles time to grow and repair themselves are required to build muscle mass. Doing only one without the other will not give you any results. Michael danced alot also for rehesearls and day to day which would of burnt up most of the calories he did consumed anyway, leaving nothing for new growth of the muscles. Eating too little and dancing too much would produce a body similar to the one we see in the autopsy picture.
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Michael was training with Lou Ferigno, there is no way that is Michael's body, where are the muscles.. He is a dancer, I am sure he continue dancing even if he did not perform.. No muscle mass, nothing. Just a plain straight body.. That is not Michael's body..
Muscle mass requires an excess of calories. And alot at that. My husband and son weight train and have been doing so for a number of years. I started only 2 years ago, mainly for strength and body composition. It takes alot of dedication and hard work. According to those around him Michael wasn't eating much. It's impossible to build any noticeable visual muscle mass on the body without the excess of calories and the lifting of heavy weights on a regular basis. It also takes alot more time than the few months Michael was reportedly working out with Lou for. These things combined with adequate rest between workouts to allow the muscles time to grow and repair themselves are required to build muscle mass. Doing only one without the other will not give you any results. Michael danced alot also for rehesearls and day to day which would of burnt up most of the calories he did consumed anyway, leaving nothing for new growth of the muscles. Eating too little and dancing too much would produce a body similar to the one we see in the autopsy picture.
I know about body mass, my son is in body building competition, and I have been on a diet excersice I have lost 150 lbs. Protein is the key word. I know deep down Michael is eating well, Lou Ferigno said it himself. He was in great shape. I refuse to believe that, that is Michael's body in that gurney. He is still suppose to have some muscles at least like the picture he was coming out of the pool. This is not Michael.
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Michael was training with Lou Ferigno, there is no way that is Michael's body, where are the muscles.. He is a dancer, I am sure he continue dancing even if he did not perform.. No muscle mass, nothing. Just a plain straight body.. That is not Michael's body..
Muscle mass requires an excess of calories. And alot at that. My husband and son weight train and have been doing so for a number of years. I started only 2 years ago, mainly for strength and body composition. It takes alot of dedication and hard work. According to those around him Michael wasn't eating much. It's impossible to build any noticeable visual muscle mass on the body without the excess of calories and the lifting of heavy weights on a regular basis. It also takes alot more time than the few months Michael was reportedly working out with Lou for. These things combined with adequate rest between workouts to allow the muscles time to grow and repair themselves are required to build muscle mass. Doing only one without the other will not give you any results. Michael danced alot also for rehesearls and day to day which would of burnt up most of the calories he did consumed anyway, leaving nothing for new growth of the muscles. Eating too little and dancing too much would produce a body similar to the one we see in the autopsy picture.
I know about body mass, my son is in body building competition, and I have been on a diet excersice I have lost 150 lbs. Protein is the key word. I know deep down Michael is eating well, Lou Ferigno said it himself. He was in great shape. I refuse to believe that, that is Michael's body in that gurney. He is still suppose to have some muscles at least like the picture he was coming out of the pool. This is not Michael.
My husband is a Lecturer but also a trainer too, so I understand what your saying. Muscle Mass is lost with age, unless you do the correct exercising and eating to maintain it. Especially for a 50 year old. It's very rare for anyone to look like they did 20 or more years ago like the pic of Michael coming out of the pool unless he's put the required effort into keeping that look for all these years. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing as to whether Michael is on that gurney or not. I'm saying that over training (ie working out and dancing plus undereating most definitely produces the body you see on the gurney). Seen a number of my husbands clients who look like that when they have come to him for help. It was also reported that Michael ate vegetarian and organic alot. I know he did eat meat sometimes (obviously the KFC is well known). People who mostly eat that way need more specialised diets to ensure adequate intake of correct nutrients to ensure muscle growth. Unless he supplemented his diet with protein sources, again his muscle mass would of been minimal. My husband is also a natural bodybuilder and trains people this way too. I'm assuming if Michael was working out he more than likely would be the same. It's even more harder for a natural builder to gain and maintain than someone who uses steriods.
Like I said, not debating whether it is or isn't Michael.
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Michael was training with Lou Ferigno, there is no way that is Michael's body, where are the muscles.. He is a dancer, I am sure he continue dancing even if he did not perform.. No muscle mass, nothing. Just a plain straight body.. That is not Michael's body..
Muscle mass requires an excess of calories. And alot at that. My husband and son weight train and have been doing so for a number of years. I started only 2 years ago, mainly for strength and body composition. It takes alot of dedication and hard work. According to those around him Michael wasn't eating much. It's impossible to build any noticeable visual muscle mass on the body without the excess of calories and the lifting of heavy weights on a regular basis. It also takes alot more time than the few months Michael was reportedly working out with Lou for. These things combined with adequate rest between workouts to allow the muscles time to grow and repair themselves are required to build muscle mass. Doing only one without the other will not give you any results. Michael danced alot also for rehesearls and day to day which would of burnt up most of the calories he did consumed anyway, leaving nothing for new growth of the muscles. Eating too little and dancing too much would produce a body similar to the one we see in the autopsy picture.
I know about body mass, my son is in body building competition, and I have been on a diet excersice I have lost 150 lbs. Protein is the key word. I know deep down Michael is eating well, Lou Ferigno said it himself. He was in great shape. I refuse to believe that, that is Michael's body in that gurney. He is still suppose to have some muscles at least like the picture he was coming out of the pool. This is not Michael.
My husband is a Lecturer but also a trainer too, so I understand what your saying. Muscle Mass is lost with age, unless you do the correct exercising and eating to maintain it. Especially for a 50 year old. It's very rare for anyone to look like they did 20 or more years ago like the pic of Michael coming out of the pool unless he's put the required effort into keeping that look for all these years. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing as to whether Michael is on that gurney or not. I'm saying that over training (ie working out and dancing plus undereating most definitely produces the body you see on the gurney). Seen a number of my husbands clients who look like that when they have come to him for help. It was also reported that Michael ate vegetarian and organic alot. I know he did eat meat sometimes (obviously the KFC is well known). People who mostly eat that way need more specialised diets to ensure adequate intake of correct nutrients to ensure muscle growth. Unless he supplemented his diet with protein sources, again his muscle mass would of been minimal. My husband is also a natural bodybuilder and trains people this way too. I'm assuming if Michael was working out he more than likely would be the same. It's even more harder for a natural builder to gain and maintain than someone who uses steriods.
Like I said, not debating whether it is or isn't Michael.
I agree with you, and I am not saying that Michael would have a body of a 20 yr old when he came out of the pool. Yes he is 53 and may not have all the muscle mass he should have but not that skinny as he is in that gurney.. I am sure he must have had some muscles at least six pack abs. I never saw Michael naked, so I cannot say for sure how he was. I guess it is wishful thinking.
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It does look like it could be Michael; he was always thin and given all of the layering of his clothes we dont know what he looked like underneath. However, it certainly looks altered if this is him, the proportions look incorrect.
The stories regarding his diet ect. are technically apart of this hoax so perhaps we shouldn't take those too seriously :). But I agree if it was a fact he didn't eat much and didn't do much to gain muscle he wouldn't have defintion; BUT that would contradict Jermaine who says he had abs?? Where are they?
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Also contradicts what the O2 announcer said about MJ being ripped
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uA7ZEYp8tk
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uA7ZEYp8tk [/youtube]
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Also contradicts what the O2 announcer said about MJ being ripped
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uA7ZEYp8tk
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uA7ZEYp8tk [/youtube]
That O2 announcement was really weird.. I know if I say this some people will jump on me, this was not the Michael I know for over 46 yrs.. I know he is shy, but the way he acted it was not Michael.. Since when Michael has loss for words? SInce when Michael walks up and down and looks back, since when Michael puts his arm up with a punch and puts it back down.. For me he was not Michael.. Unless this was all part for his hoax, making us think he was on drugs, so he was preparing us for his death.. This is the only solution I have found so far. The other solution would be that was not Michael but an impersonator.
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@ finfin exactly yet another. I think his behaviour was due to many things, illusion and also he was laughing quite a bit. Probably due to what he was about to embark on ;) lol.
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Dates wrong on autopsy photo
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There is another photo with the body on a stretcher and I red in an investigation site that they called the hospital and learned
that the stretcher (tipe named *Renaissance*) was not used any more and all of them were disposed of long time ago.
About the O2 announcement, I think that Michael was very cute, because... he was acting !
He laughed, he was preparing for something ... never seen before !
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I just happened to google the words "Faker Graphic" and this image popped up - a front cover of a comic book called "Faker" from 2008 I thought it was very reminiscent of a certain autopsy photo OMG! WTF??
Here is the Amazon site http://www.amazon.com/Faker-Graphic-Novel/dp/1845768388/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
and another site showing this book http://vertigo.blog.dccomics.com/tag/peter-gross/page/3/
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GcYcT0ZOL._SS500_.jpg)
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Interesting finfin...it does kind of look like it
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Great find, @finfin !thanks! /bravo/
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I have watched this is it about 20 times, and you know... he doesn't look this skinny. I have been looking again and again.. his legs look bigger than they are in this photo. Quite a lot actually. Watch it a few times. I am not talking about the times where he is wearing gym pants, but the times where he is wearing jeans.
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I think I resized it 15 - 20%, without the constraint on, and I got a much more normal looking person - not a body.
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Murray says in his documentary that MJ looked like in the Thriller video to the morning of 25th and that he was begging for his milk....if so why Mike is looking so good in the autopsy photo? Not like his Thriller face to me in the autopsy photo.
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This photo shows belly button: http://i43.tinypic.com/52jo6f.jpg (http://i43.tinypic.com/52jo6f.jpg)
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This photo shows belly button: http://i43.tinypic.com/52jo6f.jpg (http://i43.tinypic.com/52jo6f.jpg)
:) thank you !
Welcome on the forum! :icon_e_wink:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJixtl5iGzM&feature=g-all-u&context=G2693a7dFAAAAAPAAKAA[/youtube]
Maybe it's just me.... but when I saw that photo in this video ^^... it made me think of the autopsy pic...
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/autopsypic.jpg)
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So-o-o-o interesting, it's seems there's a bottomless pit (rabbit hole) exploring MJ connections!
Also I was thinking with Dancing Machine lyrics, it proves what I've thought for long time, that the hoax actually goes back much further, though it may offically have been kicked off 21 years before his 'death' as Front/Back say.
As usual, songs about a girl may have double meanings, and refer to himself hoax-wise.
Rythemetic acrobatic
She (He's) a dynamite attraction
At the drop of a coin she (he) comes alive, yeah
She (He) knows what she's (he's) doing
She (He's) super bad now
She's (He's) geared to really blow your mind
Dancing, dancing, dancing
She's (He's) a dancing machine
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJixtl5iGzM&feature=g-all-u&context=G2693a7dFAAAAAPAAKAA[/youtube]
Maybe it's just me.... but when I saw that photo in this video ^^... it made me think of the autopsy pic...
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/autopsypic.jpg)
Great catch @SimPattyK and there is even a complete belly button. I also noticed there is also a "Light Man" type character in the video
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>:( I cannot see the video...but is not Michael....FAKEEEE..... :Pulling_hair:
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I have always hated this picture. It hasn’t gotten any better with time. I still do.
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[...]
Rythemetic acrobatic
She (He's) a dynamite attraction
At the drop of a coin she (he) comes alive, yeah
She (He) knows what she's (he's) doing
She (He's) super bad now
She's (He's) geared to really blow your mind
Dancing, dancing, dancing
She's (He's) a dancing machine
YEAAHH!! :)
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This photo shows belly button: http://i43.tinypic.com/52jo6f.jpg (http://i43.tinypic.com/52jo6f.jpg)
:) thank you !
Welcome on the forum! :icon_e_wink:
yes, everything we have a button but in the photo that they presented in the judgment they erased it :thjajaja121:
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I just went over that photo again, and caught something pretty big - I stood my photo upright, so I could see better.
- look under the outside of the left kneecap (your right). See that white cutting into the leg? That's PHOTOSHOP airbrush. There are TWO photos going around, and I apparently have them both. One is stretched, which is what the court was shown - the other is normal, and I can see the airbrush clearly there - it isn't a ghost tinge, it's outright cut into the skin.
The legs are chopped up from the inside and the outside. the yellow tag was hand colored, the yellow goes outside the boundaries. the leg above the tag is also cut by a few pixels, foot doesn't connect properly below the tag! The Achilles tendon is missing, which would be attached to the heel. If he'd been standing for this like Frankenstein's monster on the slab, that would explain why they had to move the foot.
I can only explain the photo-chopping, which to me is a giveaway. I believe that he had a Simman in the back of the ambulance, and drove it himself. The rest is a simulation, IMHO.
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For me, the autopsy picture looks photoshopped. It is not Michael in the autopsy picture. Even the gurney photo is photoshopped. I know why Michael Jackson faked his death. He had death threats and his life was in danger.
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For me, the autopsy picture looks photoshopped. It is not Michael in the autopsy picture. Even the gurney photo is photoshopped. I know why Michael Jackson faked his death. He had death threats and his life was in danger.
Technology is amazing....we can be anywhere anytime with photoshop. If you watch the re-enactment (some show on TV...forgot the name of it) of the day MJ died, you can really see the MJ double making an appearance as the dead MJ ready for an autopsy.....His body is exactly the same as this photo, minus the face....Cheers