Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: hesouttamylife on June 06, 2011, 06:09:19 PM
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Don’t know how reputable the source, but this is very interesting respect/
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html
Insurer seeks to void policy for Jackson shows
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | AP Entertainment Writer • Published June 06, 2011
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LOS ANGELES – The insurer of Michael Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts is asking a Los Angeles judge to nullify a non-appearance policy issued to concert promoters.
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London sued AEG Live and Jackson's company on Monday, claiming the concert promoter has failed to provide necessary medical information and details about the physician charged with the singer's death.
The suit states Lloyd's issued a non-appearance and concert cancellation policy in April 2009 - roughly two months before the pop superstar died.
The insurer states a medical exam of Jackson required by the policy was never conducted, and that they should not have to pay out for the 50 canceled shows scheduled for London's O2 arena.
An email message seeking comment from AEG was not immediately returned.
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Don’t know how reputable the source, but this is very interesting respect/
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html
Insurer seeks to void policy for Jackson shows
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | AP Entertainment Writer • Published June 06, 2011
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LOS ANGELES – The insurer of Michael Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts is asking a Los Angeles judge to nullify a non-appearance policy issued to concert promoters.
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London sued AEG Live and Jackson's company on Monday, claiming the concert promoter has failed to provide necessary medical information and details about the physician charged with the singer's death.
The suit states Lloyd's issued a non-appearance and concert cancellation policy in April 2009 - roughly two months before the pop superstar died.
The insurer states a medical exam of Jackson required by the policy was never conducted, and that they should not have to pay out for the 50 canceled shows scheduled for London's O2 arena.
An email message seeking comment from AEG was not immediately returned.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1 ... z1OXYJxg7M (http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html#ixzz1OXYJxg7M)
Thank you for your post, very interesting ideed... So Michael did not pass a medical exam for his concerts! I am wondering if AEG is in the hoax??
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http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/06/michael-j ... s-lawsuit/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/06/michael-jackson-estate-sued-for-lloyds-of-london-concerts-lawsuit/)
Lloyd's of London: MJ Lied, So We Won't Pay
6/6/2011 3:19 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
Lloyd's of London has gone to court ... asking a judge to let the company off the financial hook, claiming it doesn't owe the Michael Jackson Estate $17.5 million on grounds MJ was a fraud.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/11/02/1102-michael-jackson-getty-ex.jpg)
The company issued the muilti-million dollar policy to cover the doomed "This Is It" tour for losses.
But Lloyd's claims it doesn't have to honor the policy for 2 primary reasons:
1. Michael Jackson and AEG allegedly lied about Michael's medical history -- specifically, MJ said he had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005.
2. Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
Lloyd's is asking the court for a declaration that the policy is null and void as a result of the alleged fraud.
Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for the Estate, tells TMZ, "This legal action is nothing more than an insurance company trying to avoid paying a legitimate claim by the insured."
See also
Lloyd's of London -- Overdose Clause?
Jackson Insurance Policy May Be Worthless
Michael Jackson Dies
Filed under: Michael Jackson, Celebrity Justice
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Thank you for your post, I don't understand, If the insurance company has to pay, usually is when a person did really die. Is this life insurance? I am from Canada, so I just want to understand. Thanks, and blessings.
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Seems to me the joke would be on the insurer. It is their responsibility to get medical clearance befor issuing a policy of that magnitude. You don’t just “take somebody’s word" lolol/ . Come on now, who believes that they issured a multi million dollar policy without a medical exam? Unless of course, there is no policy to begin with. News is getting sparse and it’s nearing the 2nd anniversary. Gotta drop something juicy to keep this charade going. So now, Michael is a liar. It’s gonna getter worse before it gets better. That’s for damn sure mj_bad/
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If Michael is alive, the estate should not charge the insurer. If this insurance is paid, then it may mean that Michael died?
We must read between the lines of this news too? That is, Michael did not have a doctor because Murray is not a doctor. And Michael has omitted the use of drugs, because it just was not an addict! errrr confused/ errrr
2. "Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol."
How Michael would disclose who used prescription drugs at the time of his death? If he was died, usually has no way to disclose any information about "the moment of his death. "
TMZ is kidding or I did not understand this English very well? errrr
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Michael had no need for that insurance cuz he was only doing a movie lolol/ lolol/ Go after AEG, they tricked y’all and got you to sign away your millions if there is even any such a policy in force. Michael Jackson is innocent. lolol/ He’s a lover not a fighter mj_bad/ michael-jackson/
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Don’t know how reputable the source, but this is very interesting respect/
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html
Insurer seeks to void policy for Jackson shows
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | AP Entertainment Writer • Published June 06, 2011
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LOS ANGELES – The insurer of Michael Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts is asking a Los Angeles judge to nullify a non-appearance policy issued to concert promoters.
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London sued AEG Live and Jackson's company on Monday, claiming the concert promoter has failed to provide necessary medical information and details about the physician charged with the singer's death.
The suit states Lloyd's issued a non-appearance and concert cancellation policy in April 2009 - roughly two months before the pop superstar died.
The insurer states a medical exam of Jackson required by the policy was never conducted, and that they should not have to pay out for the 50 canceled shows scheduled for London's O2 arena.
An email message seeking comment from AEG was not immediately returned.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1 ... z1OXYJxg7M (http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html#ixzz1OXYJxg7M)[/quot
It's on Yahoo news tooe]
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But Lloyd's claims it doesn't have to honor the policy for 2 primary reasons:
1. Michael Jackson and AEG allegedly lied about Michael's medical history -- specifically, MJ said he had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005.
2. Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
Lloyd's is asking the court for a declaration that the policy is null and void as a result of the alleged fraud.
This is about the TII concert insurance policy....not life insurance.
That is, if the concert doesn't go ahead, Lloyds insurance will pay for loss of damages...refunds of tickets etc.
There was a doctor that did the 4hr medical on MJ, but that report is MISSING.!! AEG promised the insurers, that a new medical exam would be done as the concerts in London started. But that never happened, did it.
So Michael told Lloyds that he hadn't seen a dr for 4yrs, other than a cosmetic surgeon...well well well...the truth comes to light......Dr Klein was the last dr to see michael then, not Murray ??
The argument is that MJ lied about his propofol addiction as well.....
So why did Lloyds go ahead if they didnt have a medical report ????????????? This is the article:
Michael Jackson's medical examination showed he had the ''body of an astronaut'', claim insurers Robertson Taylor, who were insisting on carrying out their own tests before agreeing to cover the singer's 50-date 'This Is It' residency at London's O2 arena.
Michael Jackson's medical examination record has gone missing.
Insurers for the late pop icon's 'This Is It' 50-date London residency were astounded when the report they received from Dr. David Slavit declared the singer to be in perfect health, joking it appeared to have been "based on the body of an astronaut".
Officials at insurers Robertson Taylor were puzzled as to why the ear, nose and throat specialist's report made no mention of the 'Thriller' star's well-publicised health difficulties - including a severely burnt scalp, broken leg and extensive cosmetic surgery - and demanded their own tests be carried out before agreeing to insure his shows for promoters AEG Live.
An AEG spokesperson said: "AEG did not hire a doctor at any time in connection with securing insurance. Dr. David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting.
"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
No-one has actually seen Dr. Slavit's original records of the medical and Robertson Jackson had wanted to do a full examination on July 11, the day after seeing the 'Bad' hitmaker perform a planned full rehearsal at London's O2 arena, where the shows were scheduled to take place.
However, because the star died of a suspected cardiac arrest on June 25 - after the insurance deal had been agreed but before "subject to" details had been verified - the promoters are now in dispute with the insurers over the validity of their agreement. The singer's medical certificate had been issued in the name M. Jones but this is said to be standard practice for celebrities to prevent any embarrassing personal health details leaking out.
http://www.list.co.uk/article/19461-mic ... t-missing/ (http://www.list.co.uk/article/19461-michael-jackson-medical-report-missing/)
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Michael Jackson's fitness report 'like a Nasa astronaut's'
August 6, 2009
The physician who declared Michael Jackson was fit for a 50-date concert tour has come under the spotlight as investigators probe his sudden death.
Acting for insurers Robertson Taylor, David Slavit declared Jackson was fit to undertake the gruelling tour in the UK.
But officials now say they are surprised Jackson passed the medical. According to a UK Mirror exclusive, Slavit's exam report left finance officers joking it must have been based on the "body of a Nasa astronaut".
The promoter of Jackson's tour, AEG Live, is locked in a million-dollar fight with the insurer. Robertson Taylor says it ordered its own tests after seeing the results of Slavit's exam. The London firm sent a doctor to Los Angeles but Jackson was unable to see him. A deal was made with AEG on condition Jackson had further tests in the UK.
AEG, however, claims it never saw the Slavit report. A spokesman for AEG said: "AEG did not hire any doctor at any time in connection with securing insurance. Dr David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting. AEG has never received a copy of Dr Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
http://www.metrolyrics.com/2009-michael ... -news.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/2009-michael-jacksonaposs-fitness-report-aposlike-a-nasa-astronautapossapos-news.html)
So who stuffed up then..???? Michael or the Insurance company?? My thought is that the insurance company stuffed up and are trying to make excuses.
We all know that Michael was as fit as ever, and he never had a drug problem....and that he is very much alive.
If an insurance claim is put in, that will warrant possible legal action against MJ when he comes back...so I'm hoping this will not go through....Peace
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http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/06/michael-jackson-estate-sued-for-lloyds-of-london-concerts-lawsuit/
Lloyd's of London has gone to court ... asking a judge to let the company off the financial hook, claiming it doesn't owe the Michael Jackson Estate $17.5 million on grounds MJ was a fraud.
The company issued the muilti-million dollar policy to cover the doomed "This Is It" tour for losses.
But Lloyd's claims it doesn't have to honor the policy for 2 primary reasons:
1. Michael Jackson and AEG allegedly lied about Michael's medical history -- specifically, MJ said he had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005.
2. Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
Lloyd's is asking the court for a declaration that the policy is null and void as a result of the alleged fraud.
Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for the Estate, tells TMZ, "This legal action is nothing more than an insurance company trying to avoid paying a legitimate claim by the in
First of all, Michael is NOT a fraud. If there is a fraud, that issue is with a AEG or/and broker Robertson Taylor through who policy was issued. Second, this policy issue itself is bizarre because, I've explained this before, there is no LOSS for Lloyds to pay to Estate what so ever. The policy issued as in case something happened during the concert.. Since concert never took place, Lloyds is not entitled to pay Estate anything. EXCEPT for loss for event cancellation payable to AEG only, the concert organizer, IF there is a special provision or separate policy for that.
I remember the article I put here in the past, where clearly explains everything. It was not clear if that provision was added to the policy at the beginning. As for doctor David Slavit otolaryngologist from New York http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_s ... BE20AF.cfm (http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/Dr-David-Slavit-MD-8DBE20AF.cfm) , it is suspicious that he could write report about overall health of Michael as he is specialized in limited med. practice area- ear, nose,throat. In this case, if it is true, then Lloyds is right, but the blame the broker and AEG, not Michael. Robertson Taylor has an office location in New York. So, it is clear how they could get med. report from David Slavit to deceive insurance company.
Finally, there is a "life inurance policy" so called Key Man Life Insurance. I am sure AEG purchase this insurance for Michael as a key person of the event. Indeed, if there was a lie about his health, Lloyds can make policy void and not pay anything.
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2. Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
suspicious//
and thanks for the explanation scorpionchik bounce/
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so how long have people been trying to suggest that michael had a drug problem and these people gave out insurance without attending to the details for the kind of money we are talking about. really. michael-jackson/
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Don’t know how reputable the source, but this is very interesting respect/
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html
Insurer seeks to void policy for Jackson shows
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | AP Entertainment Writer • Published June 06, 2011
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LOS ANGELES – The insurer of Michael Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts is asking a Los Angeles judge to nullify a non-appearance policy issued to concert promoters.
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London sued AEG Live and Jackson's company on Monday, claiming the concert promoter has failed to provide necessary medical information and details about the physician charged with the singer's death.The suit states Lloyd's issued a non-appearance and concert cancellation policy in April 2009 - roughly two months before the pop superstar died.
The insurer states a medical exam of Jackson required by the policy was never conducted, and that they should not have to pay out for the 50 canceled shows scheduled for London's O2 arena.
An email message seeking comment from AEG was not immediately returned.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1 ... z1OXYJxg7M (http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html#ixzz1OXYJxg7M)[/quot
It's on Yahoo news tooe]
dear lords of london
if you get any more details about murray drop on by and we can compare notes. :idea: ;)
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This makes me happy :D
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MJ was a fraud
I think that in terms of their dimension Linguistics fraud is based on hoax. mj_bad/ :lol:
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Don’t know how reputable the source, but this is very interesting respect/
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html
Insurer seeks to void policy for Jackson shows
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | AP Entertainment Writer • Published June 06, 2011
0 COMMENTS
LOS ANGELES – The insurer of Michael Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts is asking a Los Angeles judge to nullify a non-appearance policy issued to concert promoters.
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London sued AEG Live and Jackson's company on Monday, claiming the concert promoter has failed to provide necessary medical information and details about the physician charged with the singer's death.The suit states Lloyd's issued a non-appearance and concert cancellation policy in April 2009 - roughly two months before the pop superstar died.
The insurer states a medical exam of Jackson required by the policy was never conducted, and that they should not have to pay out for the 50 canceled shows scheduled for London's O2 arena.
An email message seeking comment from AEG was not immediately returned.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1 ... z1OXYJxg7M (http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html#ixzz1OXYJxg7M)[/quot
It's on Yahoo news tooe]
dear lords of london
if you get any more details about murray drop on by and we can compare notes. :idea: ;)
LOL - you are funny :)
Okay...first of all, it's been said over and over that Michael passed the tests with flying colors. So, someone is lying.
Secondly, why would Lords of London even need to see the medical information if Michael didn't complete the exam? Why would it matter to them anyway...if he wasn't insured he wasn't insured and there would be no need to see any medical information.
Once again we have two different stories. And better yet - why is it now just coming out and not sooner?
Blessings.
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MJ was a fraud
I think that in terms of their dimension Linguistics fraud is based on hoax. mj_bad/ :lol:
Ya I think the big thing that MJ "lied" about was dying. I think the insurance company Lloyd's of London has interesting initials...LOL. "LOL: MJ Lied".
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Don’t know how reputable the source, but this is very interesting respect/
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html
Insurer seeks to void policy for Jackson shows
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | AP Entertainment Writer • Published June 06, 2011
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LOS ANGELES – The insurer of Michael Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts is asking a Los Angeles judge to nullify a non-appearance policy issued to concert promoters.
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London sued AEG Live and Jackson's company on Monday, claiming the concert promoter has failed to provide necessary medical information and details about the physician charged with the singer's death.The suit states Lloyd's issued a non-appearance and concert cancellation policy in April 2009 - roughly two months before the pop superstar died.
The insurer states a medical exam of Jackson required by the policy was never conducted, and that they should not have to pay out for the 50 canceled shows scheduled for London's O2 arena.
An email message seeking comment from AEG was not immediately returned.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1 ... z1OXYJxg7M (http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/06/1677969/insurer-seeks-to-void-policy-for.html#ixzz1OXYJxg7M)[/quot
It's on Yahoo news tooe]
dear lords of london
if you get any more details about murray drop on by and we can compare notes. :idea: ;)
LOL - you are funny :)
Okay...first of all, it's been said over and over that Michael passed the tests with flying colors. So, someone is lying.
Secondly, why would Lords of London even need to see the medical information if Michael didn't complete the exam? Why would it matter to them anyway...if he wasn't insured he wasn't insured and there would be no need to see any medical information.
Once again we have two different stories. And better yet - why is it now just coming out and not sooner?
Blessings.
so maybe if this makes aeg have to go to court more will come out. idk maybe because mj is not the one who committed fraud.
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so how long have people been trying to suggest that michael had a drug problem and these people gave out insurance without attending to the details for the kind of money we are talking about. really. michael-jackson/
What I don't understand is how any of us can actually state that Michael never had a drug problem in the past.Who are we to say he didn't?Think about it,if he never had a drug problem then why did Elizabeth Taylor personally fly with him to take him to a rehab center?Sounds like a past drug problem to me IMO.Why would she lie about it,she had absolutely nothing to gain from lying about it and you could tell in the way she always talked about Michael that she loved him very much and he was a very close friend of hers.No matter what we want to believe about what Michael did or didn't do we need to remember that he was a human being and had his own faults just like everyone else...
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Don't know about the estate but it's refreshing news for us.
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The court documents attached.
MJ-Lloyds document (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/MJ-Lloyds.pdf)
Lloyd's of London is suing the Michael Jackson Company and AEG over an insurance policy that was taken out for Michael Jackson's performances in London, which never happened due to the superstar’s sudden death.
LLoyd's accuses AEG, the concert promoter, of withholding witness statements, and "other information necessary to determine AEG's entitlement to coverage under the policy," according to the lawsuit.
The insurance policy that was taken out on behalf of the former King of Pop for $17.5 million dollars, which Lloyd's doesn't think it should have to pay because it was never revealed to them that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and Propofol.
Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death, including Propofol," the court docs state.
The insurance company asserts that they have the right to rescind the policy because of Jackson's alleged drug use.
Lloyds wants the judge to issue an order declaring the insurance policy canceled and that AEG and the Michael Jackson Company are only entitled to a refund of the premium of the policy.
Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 of an acute Propofol intoxication. Jackson's personal physician, Dr Conrad Murray, who admitted to administering Propofol to Michael, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Dr. Murray's trial is expected to begin in September.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... -documents (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/06/michael-jackson-sued-cancelled-concerts-lloyds-london-aeg-documents)
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The court documents attached.
MJ-Lloyds document (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/MJ-Lloyds.pdf)
Lloyd's of London is suing the Michael Jackson Company and AEG over an insurance policy that was taken out for Michael Jackson's performances in London, which never happened due to the superstar’s sudden death.
LLoyd's accuses AEG, the concert promoter, of withholding witness statements, and "other information necessary to determine AEG's entitlement to coverage under the policy," according to the lawsuit.
The insurance policy that was taken out on behalf of the former King of Pop for $17.5 million dollars, which Lloyd's doesn't think it should have to pay because it was never revealed to them that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and Propofol.
Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death, including Propofol," the court docs state.
The insurance company asserts that they have the right to rescind the policy because of Jackson's alleged drug use.
Lloyds wants the judge to issue an order declaring the insurance policy canceled and that AEG and the Michael Jackson Company are only entitled to a refund of the premium of the policy.
Very good finding. Plus the policy venue is London (p.5 of complaint), not LA, i.e. if MJ died in London and AEG did not lie about his health, loss will be paid. AEG is in violation of almost all sections of policy provisions, AEG will get nothing. Lloyds is right. It will be good hoaxwise.
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Hi everyone,
Do any of you remember from 2009 that it was said that the policy had an exemption where it would not pay and that exemption was death by drug overdose? I remember. I don't know if I bookmarked that one and if I did I have so much on Michael bookmarked that it would take me forever to find it but here is another one from an August 2009 article. In that article it says:
"Lloyd's of London would cover any losses sustained by the promotion company AEG Live if Jackson suffered any mishaps leading to the cancellation of his shows, which were due to begin July 13.
The LA Time stated that the policy read:
"This insurance does not cover any loss directly or indirectly arising out of, contributed to, by or resulting from . . . the illegal possession or illicit taking of drugs and their effects."
Here is the link to the entire article: http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10935 (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10935)
So why almost 2 years later is this in the news? In my opinion it's a lot of baloney, intended to keep the non-believers, just that, in a state of non-belief! There are more of them than of us! And for that reason I really feel that the "BAM" is for them and not us. They are the ones, news media and all, who are going to be shocked, trying to get to Michael, running around all excited and looking big-eyed, :shock: but the true believers won't be. I know I won't!
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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The court documents attached.
MJ-Lloyds document (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/MJ-Lloyds.pdf)
Lloyd's of London is suing the Michael Jackson Company and AEG over an insurance policy that was taken out for Michael Jackson's performances in London, which never happened due to the superstar’s sudden death.
LLoyd's accuses AEG, the concert promoter, of withholding witness statements, and "other information necessary to determine AEG's entitlement to coverage under the policy," according to the lawsuit.
The insurance policy that was taken out on behalf of the former King of Pop for $17.5 million dollars, which Lloyd's doesn't think it should have to pay because it was never revealed to them that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and Propofol.
Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death, including Propofol," the court docs state.
The insurance company asserts that they have the right to rescind the policy because of Jackson's alleged drug use.
Lloyds wants the judge to issue an order declaring the insurance policy canceled and that AEG and the Michael Jackson Company are only entitled to a refund of the premium of the policy.
Very good finding. Plus the policy venue is London (p.5 of complaint), not LA, i.e. if MJ died in London and AEG did not lie about his health, loss will be paid. AEG is in violation of almost all sections of policy provisions, AEG will get nothing. Lloyds is right. It will be good hoaxwise.
Sorry, i'm so confused with all this :oops: Could you please explain why is it good hoaxwise?
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Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death
It shouldn't pay the insurance not because of drugs but because Michael... is alive. So even worst for legal trouble. Where does this bring Michael if he comes back and is proved alive? He is so not coming back...
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Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death
It shouldn't pay the insurance not because of drugs but because Michael... is alive. So even worst for legal trouble. Where does this bring Michael if he comes back and is proved alive? He is so not coming back...
What you mean? It's a long winded article to remind everyone that no insurance claims will be made/paid. That's excellent for a comeback.
Like onthewingsoflove said, this was established in 2009, these reminders must be for you newbies, heartphantom, lol.
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This is the article published by onthewingsoflove
Michael Jackson's Drug Use Could Void Concert Promoter's Insurance Policy
By Julie Kent. Published on 08/08/2009 - 9:58am
Michael Jackson was due to kick off an unprecedented string of 50 concerts in London just days after his untimely death, and like all good concert promoters do, the ones behind Jackson's gigs took out an insurance policy in case anything would happen to delay or cancel any dates. According to the LA Times, however, that insurance policy may not pay out. The $17.5 million accident insurance policy could be void if "illicit" drugs are involved.
Lloyd's of London would cover any losses sustained by the promotion company AEG Live if Jackson suffered any mishaps leading to the cancellation of his shows, which were due to begin July 13.
The LA Time stated that the policy read:
"This insurance does not cover any loss directly or indirectly arising out of, contributed to, by or resulting from . . . the illegal possession or illicit taking of drugs and their effects."Jackson, 50, died on June 25 at his rented LA home. While the Los Angeles County Coroner has not yet formally ruled on his cause of death, investigators and privately hired pathologists told the Jackson family that he likely died of a massive drug overdose.
AEG says that they're waiting on the coroner's findings before attempting to collect on the policy. A representative for Lloyd's said:
"The policy document is confidential and the details of it have not been made public by Lloyd's. I am afraid we can't offer any comment."
Prior to his death, Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, gave the singer multiple benzodiazepine sedatives and the anesthetic propofol. Preliminary findings showed that Jackson's body had traces of several drugs in his system, including the anesthesia and sedatives.
Murray also said that Jackson had been taking the powerful painkillers Demerol and oxycodone before his death.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10935 (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10935)
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Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death
It shouldn't pay the insurance not because of drugs but because Michael... is alive. So even worst for legal trouble. Where does this bring Michael if he comes back and is proved alive? He is so not coming back...
What you mean? It's a long winded article to remind everyone that no insurance claims will be made/paid. That's excellent for a comeback.
Like onthewingsoflove said, this was established in 2009, these reminders must be for you newbies, heartphantom, lol.
Ok bec, then i will re-read maybe i didn't understand what we are talking about, thanks.
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Lloyds will win this and the estate will lose. Without a doubt. This will be one interesting court case... and i hope the court case is in the UK. HOPE!!!!!! Because there will be less BS about it in the UK. Plus none of the stalkers will be able to stand around or fly banners about the place and report BS about the proceedings.
Heck.. if its in London, i might even go and report back to you guys!
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so how long have people been trying to suggest that michael had a drug problem and these people gave out insurance without attending to the details for the kind of money we are talking about. really. michael-jackson/
What I don't understand is how any of us can actually state that Michael never had a drug problem in the past.Who are we to say he didn't?Think about it,if he never had a drug problem then why did Elizabeth Taylor personally fly with him to take him to a rehab center?Sounds like a past drug problem to me IMO.Why would she lie about it,she had absolutely nothing to gain from lying about it and you could tell in the way she always talked about Michael that she loved him very much and he was a very close friend of hers.No matter what we want to believe about what Michael did or didn't do we need to remember that he was a human being and had his own faults just like everyone else...
IT could be he was addicted to pain killers when he was much younger, when he got his scalp burned. I do not believe he was on drugs now. Not when he was with his children, he wouldn't teach that to his children.
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If Lloyd of London does not want to pay,it means Michael is alive and it will be agains the law for them to pay when a person is alive.. They have to find a solution so they suggested that Michael lied so they can get out of it. This is one step to the right direction for us.
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Michael is an addict who hid his own addiction to the public (not to misinterpret this is a situation that can Planter in the trial) as well as hiding the existence of a doctor, how can we accuse Murray of irresponsibility, if Michael had refused to take the tests?
Katherine first AEG was accused before the death of Michael, and now AEG and Michael are being sued for fraud.
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I think that the policy is for the london concert not before or after, is a good point... he can´t do the shows if he is dead, of course but i think this policy must have a date on it, a date about from when the policy starts to run... (sorry english is not my language) he died in LA not in London so maybe this is a good point too... and they do the medical examination for this reasson so i don´t understand why this is a problem now... he was in perfect health according to this medical examination and thet´s why they do the policy! this is BS and Lloyds will not pay to AEG or maybe they will pay and when MJ come back AEG will be on fraud... who knows??!!
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Michael suffered from chronic pain. Naturally he took routine medication to manage that as does every and anyone else who suffers from chronic pain. That does not automatically equate to being an addict. I can't stand to hear Michael being called an addict by anyone who can't back it up with some proof, i.e. was in his company when he was using and/or jonesing crash/ crash/
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When it comes to the subject that you/us do not have knowledge, reading a little bit from here and there about law, insurance law, or any other field, does not give anyone knowledge about those industries. Because it's simply impossible to learn via only internet reading for a few min. or hours. random information of a little part of the huge industry. As a result, facts are interpreted the way we want, not the way it is. It is not useful. No offense. ok?
As for this policy, it has nothing to do whether Michael is alive or not. Lloyds will not pay not because Michael is alive (for them MJ is dead), but because of violation of policy terms and fraud I already explained. For me though it is clear that AEG and broker really lied to Lloyds to get that policy involving the doctor who gave false results. Why they did it, that's a different subject.
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MJ was a fraud
I think that in terms of their dimension Linguistics fraud is based on hoax. mj_bad/ :lol:
Ya I think the big thing that MJ "lied" about was dying. I think the insurance company Lloyd's of London has interesting initials...LOL. "LOL: MJ Lied".
I agre !!!! They have put two years but have understood !!!! :lol: :P bounce/
moonwalk_/
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MJ was a fraud
I think that in terms of their dimension Linguistics fraud is based on hoax. mj_bad/ :lol:
Ya I think the big thing that MJ "lied" about was dying. I think the insurance company Lloyd's of London has interesting initials...LOL. "LOL: MJ Lied".
I agre !!!! They have put two years but have understood !!!! :lol: :P bounce/
moonwalk_/
bearhug lolol/ (with a big smile on my face!!!) thank you andrea!
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a good point about the fact that AEG could be done for fraud.........................maybe thats what michael has planned for them !!!! PAY BACK TIME!
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muilti-million dollar
What is muilti? :? Does this word exist?
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multi + guilty = muilty.
Name clearing and nailing time.... where's my popcorn?
(http://www.texasracers.com/vb/images/smilies/popcorn2.gif)
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multi + guilty = muilty.
Name clearing and nailing time.... where's my popcorn?
(http://www.texasracers.com/vb/images/smilies/popcorn2.gif)
Popcorn.. can I have some too beerchug
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Lloyd's of London -- Overdose Clause?
7/3/2009 3:41 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
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A spokesperson for Lloyd's of London tells us she's never heard of a case where her company has insured someone for a drug overdose.
AEG, the company that was promoting Jackson's London concerts, claimed yesterday the policy it took out from Lloyd's did not cover death from natural causes but did cover overdoses.
Louise Shield -- the head of communications for Lloyd's of London -- tells us such a policy is "odd" and that she's never heard the company insuring for drug overdoses.
What's more -- Shield says the company typically requires a "medical assessment" .... a physical before the policy is written.
As we first reported, Jackson's body had dozens of injection sites in various places. So the question -- how could a policy be issued with clear evidence of a problem? Ha, good question!
Shield would not comment on the policy, and found it strange AEG discussed it publicly. She's not saying if overdoses were covered or not.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/03/lloyds-of ... se-clause/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/03/lloyds-of-london-overdose-clause/)
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Lloyd's of London -- Overdose Clause?
7/3/2009 3:41 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
As we first reported, Jackson's body had dozens of injection sites in various places. So the question -- how could a policy be issued with clear evidence of a problem? Ha, good question!
She's not saying if overdoses were covered or not.
No, it is never covered.
by scorpionchik » June 7th, 2011, 10:04 am
When it comes to the subject that you/us do not have knowledge, reading a little bit from here and there about law, insurance law, or any other field, does not give anyone knowledge about those industries. Because it's simply impossible to learn via only internet reading for a few min. or hours. random information of a little part of the huge industry. As a result, facts are interpreted the way we want, not the way it is. It is not useful. No offense. ok?
As for this policy, it has nothing to do whether Michael is alive or not. Lloyds will not pay not because Michael is alive (for them MJ is dead), but because of violation of policy terms and fraud I already explained. For me though it is clear that AEG and broker really lied to Lloyds to get that policy involving the doctor who gave false results. Why they did it, that's a different subject.
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Okay now i got it (i think). If Lloyd's pay the insurance that is a total cancel of BAM, because THAT will be a fraud. Remember the FBI article on 9/3/9 (or was it 9/3/10?) about people who fake their deaths to get money from insurance companies.
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I believe the same but i thought i didn't understand too well the topic. Thanks, Kristina.
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Michael is an addict who hid his own addiction to the public (not to misinterpret this is a situation that can Planter in the trial) as well as hiding the existence of a doctor, how can we accuse Murray of irresponsibility, if Michael had refused to take the tests?
Katherine first AEG was accused before the death of Michael, and now AEG and Michael are being sued for fraud.
Is that the truth???? Remember do not believe everything that you read.. Michael is alive, so that's why they are throwing this story..
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so how long have people been trying to suggest that michael had a drug problem and these people gave out insurance without attending to the details for the kind of money we are talking about. really. michael-jackson/
What I don't understand is how any of us can actually state that Michael never had a drug problem in the past.Who are we to say he didn't?Think about it,if he never had a drug problem then why did Elizabeth Taylor personally fly with him to take him to a rehab center?Sounds like a past drug problem to me IMO.Why would she lie about it,she had absolutely nothing to gain from lying about it and you could tell in the way she always talked about Michael that she loved him very much and he was a very close friend of hers.No matter what we want to believe about what Michael did or didn't do we need to remember that he was a human being and had his own faults just like everyone else...
just to be clear i am not saying he didn't . i am saying this isn't ma an pa kettle here. they didn't need the business so much to take the risk if there was one. clause or no clause doesn't mean it won't end up in court and you could somehow lose , so why take the risk. i am sure they would be in sort of a fly on the wall position to know if it were a real possibility wouldn't they? geez when you take into acct. oh lets see hair catching on fire, bridges falling , maniacs jumping on cherry pickers , possible drug addiction ect ect . i would think he might be high risk. oh yeah then there is that pesky molestation thing that some people want to nail him with on a reagular basis. when people start suing it can be far reaching.
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a good point about the fact that AEG could be done for fraud.........................maybe thats what michael has planned for them !!!! PAY BACK TIME!
Now that is something that I can sink my teeth into!
Here is something from http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2010/01/ ... d-old.html (http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2010/01/remembering-old-times-old-clues-and-old.html)
Please notice the comment by Tenderoni
Monday, January 4, 2010
Remembering Old Times, Old Clues and Old Friends.
Since the old MJHD database is now available, I was going through some old posts. I realized that somethings were forgotten and should be brought back into the spotlight. So here are some old (but good) posts from the past.
AEG Insured For Death Caused By Overdose
Think hard and remember back to July '09. Remember when it came out that AEG was insured for
death caused by overdose but not death by natural causes. Strange? With this info we asked ourselves:
Is this normal?
We all agreed, the answer was anonymous NO, It's not normal.
Look at an article posted on TMZ:
"Lloyd's of London — Overdose Clause?
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 2:41PM by TMZ Staff
A spokesperson for Lloyd's of London tells us she's never heard of a case where her company has insured someone for a drug overdose.
AEG, the company that was promoting Jackson's London concerts, claimed yesterday the policy it took out from Lloyd's did not cover death from natural causes but did cover overdoses.
Louise Shield – the head of communications for Lloyd's of London — tells us such a policy is “odd” and that she's never heard the company insuring for drug overdoses.
What's more — Shield says the company typically requires a “medical assessment” …. a physical before the policy is written. "
Member Tenderoni added :
"I have been in insurance law for years, and I am tied to the entertainment industry and I have NEVER seen a clause like that. In fact, drugs are usually the reason why you CAN'T get insurance for a movie or tour project. I have never heard of an insurance policy specifically for one thing that entertainment-related insurance companies won't do….especially in light of the fact that they claim he went through the physical. That would show a natural cause related death would be covered but evidence of drugs at that time would negate the insurance.
This makes no sense to me"
So now ask yourself: Is it strange that AEG just happened to be covered for a drug over dose and Michael just so happened to of "died" of just that?
Well YES it is. Yet another factor In this investigation that is just so out-of-the-ordinary. (This is the end of this topic, but she posted more topics.)
Thank you Tenderoni wherever you are!!
AEG says they got a policy for drug overdose and LOL says the drug use was never revealed!! Which is it. LOL knows that whatever policy they got it was not going to be paid from the time the cause of death was made public! And once again here is something else that was first reported by TMZ!!
I want a popcorn eating icon too, because that's what I have been doing since September 2009!!! :D
Blessings to you all!
OnTheWingsOfLove! mj_dance/
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Will the admins so kindly combine my original post with the other one regarding Lloyds of London. Thank you.
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Will the admins so kindly combine my original post with the other one regarding Lloyds of London. Thank you.
done :)
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Thank you ForstAMoon.
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But Lloyd's claims it doesn't have to honor the policy for 2 primary reasons:
1. Michael Jackson and AEG allegedly lied about Michael's medical history -- specifically, MJ said he had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005.
2. Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
Lloyd's is asking the court for a declaration that the policy is null and void as a result of the alleged fraud.
This is about the TII concert insurance policy....not life insurance.
That is, if the concert doesn't go ahead, Lloyds insurance will pay for loss of damages...refunds of tickets etc.
There was a doctor that did the 4hr medical on MJ, but that report is MISSING.!! AEG promised the insurers, that a new medical exam would be done as the concerts in London started. But that never happened, did it.
So Michael told Lloyds that he hadn't seen a dr for 4yrs, other than a cosmetic surgeon...well well well...the truth comes to light......Dr Klein was the last dr to see michael then, not Murray ??
The argument is that MJ lied about his propofol addiction as well.....
So why did Lloyds go ahead if they didnt have a medical report ????????????? This is the article:
Michael Jackson's medical examination showed he had the ''body of an astronaut'', claim insurers Robertson Taylor, who were insisting on carrying out their own tests before agreeing to cover the singer's 50-date 'This Is It' residency at London's O2 arena.
Michael Jackson's medical examination record has gone missing.
Insurers for the late pop icon's 'This Is It' 50-date London residency were astounded when the report they received from Dr. David Slavit declared the singer to be in perfect health, joking it appeared to have been "based on the body of an astronaut".
Officials at insurers Robertson Taylor were puzzled as to why the ear, nose and throat specialist's report made no mention of the 'Thriller' star's well-publicised health difficulties - including a severely burnt scalp, broken leg and extensive cosmetic surgery - and demanded their own tests be carried out before agreeing to insure his shows for promoters AEG Live.
An AEG spokesperson said: "AEG did not hire a doctor at any time in connection with securing insurance. Dr. David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting.
"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
No-one has actually seen Dr. Slavit's original records of the medical and Robertson Jackson had wanted to do a full examination on July 11, the day after seeing the 'Bad' hitmaker perform a planned full rehearsal at London's O2 arena, where the shows were scheduled to take place.However, because the star died of a suspected cardiac arrest on June 25 - after the insurance deal had been agreed but before "subject to" details had been verified - the promoters are now in dispute with the insurers over the validity of their agreement. The singer's medical certificate had been issued in the name M. Jones but this is said to be standard practice for celebrities to prevent any embarrassing personal health details leaking out.
http://www.list.co.uk/article/19461-mic ... t-missing/ (http://www.list.co.uk/article/19461-michael-jackson-medical-report-missing/)
This is what stands out for me in all of this. They got suspicious and actually came to watch and didn't like what they were seeing. AEG stands to risk everything they have invested, including the money they paid to the insurance examiner to perpetrate the fraud. How convenient that soon after MICHAEL IS DEAD :?: at first by heart attack (that would have been just perfect. Natural causes. However that one wouldn't fly) Second - by accidental overdose of propofol (not an illegal narcotic) that clears the "drug addiction clause". Whew, almost scotch free . But what, NOW the insurance company is asking questions says Dr. Murray afraid/ Well HELL NO, I'm not taking the fall for this. Third, he committed suicide. Now no one gets paid. Murray's off the hook. AEG is in a choke hold. All of this leads me to believe that 1) they upped the shows to 50 on purpose to allow MJ to kill himself trying to do them; 2)they never did the physical but needed that policy bad enough to lie for it, die for it, and 3) they weren't risking losing their credibility and their money, so finally 4) MJ had to go. Now everthing feels more suspicious and if there was truly a death, somebody's gonna go to jail for malice murder. If I were on the Lloyd's of London's staff, AEG would be at the top of my list of possible culprits in the fraud and thus Michael's death. New evidentuary discovery could bring higher charges than involuntary manslaughter and add more perpetrators than the one patsy they got now. If Michael died, AEG killed him.
The plot thickens.
But then again, we know that Michael Jackson is alive and well and residing at Neverland. But this would certainly make for good cinema. lolol/
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And don't sleep on Randy Phillips and Tohme Tohme. Pacifying Michael while they were systemtaically setting him up for doom.
I'm backing out of this discussion. I'm feeling my anger seep into it. I'll read and not comment further. My mind is playing tricks on me and making my blood boil. crash/
The trial will be the clincher. Guess I'll just wait and see. That is, if there ever is a trial.
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What in the world? AEG/Kenny Ortega said that MJ said "the illusion starts tomorrow." AEG/Kenny directed and oversaw the Memorial & Directed the Funeral. So are some back to now believing that Kenny helped to kill MJ? And MJ/Mama Kate dismissed the wrongful death suit MJ/Mama Kate/Estate for........................................? The family let them blackmail them into waiting three months to bury their son/brother? Who does that? Mama Kate being a JW would have had her son buried within two weeks if he had really passed. They are in on the murder?
MJ had to die of something. He wrote the script. I don't think there was ever going to be any concerts. This Is It was ready to go for the most part on 6-25-09. MJ has friends in high places. He can plant stories and he does. X17 Online, News of the World, the Sun, TMZ, ABC News and on and on. ABC and MSNBC seem to be friendly to MJ.
Thome-Thome is being played by MJ. I could tell by the way he held his lips during one SHOT of him. Randy Philips has done nothing to MJ concerning this hoax. MJ called all of his boys back that he'd worked with before just for the purpose of this hoax. In 2007, he showed up for one of Lionel Richie's shows, went backstage afterwards and they made up. Lionel was quoted saying last year or in 2009 that MJ stopped speaking to him since the 1990s until 2007. He didn't explain why MJ had stopped speaking to him, but I bet I know why.
MJ made contact with his old friends and loved ones to alert them of what he was proposing and was going to do - no question. I bet Lionel and the Randy types signed a nondisclosure agreement, and Berry Gordy and Stevie Wonder too.
I just don't understand how one little article has some believing that by 6-25-09, people were still plotting to kill MJ. He lived in Ireland and Bahrain from late 2005 thru at least late 2007. Diana moved from Conneticut to Cali in late 2006. She says she did it to be closer to Evan as he had moved to LA. Some think that MJ jumpstarted Evan's movie career. The film of him playing a Muslim was distributed by "Peace Films." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I think Diana moved closer to finally get rid of the dilemma she and MJ always had as it pertained to the long distance between their homes (living in different States), so upon their committing to each other, he told her she had to move to LA. She was quoted saying that she also decided to move West, because she had an empty nest as all of her children had moved out - so now she could TRAVEL places to visit friends. Got you, Diana. You go girl!
MJ has got it going on - and he is running and tagging some things in the entertainment industry. He is still trying to do it with LOVE.
The entire story of MJ readying for concerts was a fabrication made up by MJ to jumpstart this hoax. Some of This Is It - was not shot only in 2009. I think they started in 2008. I think MJ and children lived part time in a hotel whilst shooting the Dome Project.
I think that MJ had 02 presser to start the illusion. After all, over two years later folks are still debating if that was even him. I don't think the 02 concert had 300 people let in. Not one person got a picture from camera or cell phone. The MJ that was there had a different skin tone and hands. I think MJ being the director gladly used/uses a double for FILM PURPOSES.
Here's the thing. MJ is not afraid of anyone at AEG. He is in contact with Kenny surely - and some of the TII dancers, Travis Payne, et al. They are all in on it together. He has been seen a lot of places. That tells me that he is hardly afraid or hiding from anyone. They are helping him for the brilliant man he is. Many in the ent. industry know that he is alive and is running the Greatest Show on Earth.
I love that pic of MJ and Omer riding a elephant at Neverland.
Btw, I saw a pic of one of MJ's impersonators at our local Moes Mexican restaurant. Lol I forget his name now.
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There are people who keep up to date with Michael news- but i don't think they dig as deep as we do here. Or they would see in between the lines. I really don't think MJ can hide forever lol because more and more of this will happen until its too much to deny anymore. AEG are NOT murderers, I have a strong feeling Kenny is a big one in this. He knows MJ's heart and mind, and respects him as a business man and a person: thats very important. Lloyd's of London, who knows what they really know. Who knows if these articles are pages to one big script of one big movie coming soon :lol:. Who knows who gets hush money. Who knows what Mike may or may not have to settle with people who figure the hoax out that aren't supposed to know. In their business, money can silence anyone. Money can make people do anything you need them to. Mike has been a victim to this and is now the MASTER of this.
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I know I said I was going to stop here, but this brought something to my mind. I remember, and if anyone else here does please help me out, but. I posted somewhere possibly in the thread about Jane Burgenmeister (can’t really remember), that there was a rehearsal a few days prior to 6/25 where MJ’s bodyguards all came to rehearsal and sat through the whole thing which was unusual. I wonder now if this is when those people came to watch MJ’s performance. Three days later Michael was gone.
It just came to mind so I thought I’d put it out here since we are investigating. Things are starting to fit for me. The loose ends are coming together, piece by piece.
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What in the world? AEG/Kenny Ortega said that MJ said "the illusion starts tomorrow." AEG/Kenny directed and oversaw the Memorial & Directed the Funeral. So are some back to now believing that Kenny helped to kill MJ? And MJ/Mama Kate dismissed the wrongful death suit MJ/Mama Kate/Estate for........................................? The family let them blackmail them into waiting three months to bury their son/brother? Who does that? Mama Kate being a JW would have had her son buried within two weeks if he had really passed. They are in on the murder?
MJ had to die of something. He wrote the script. I don't think there was ever going to be any concerts. This Is It was ready to go for the most part on 6-25-09. MJ has friends in high places. He can plant stories and he does. X17 Online, News of the World, the Sun, TMZ, ABC News and on and on. ABC and MSNBC seem to be friendly to MJ.
Thome-Thome is being played by MJ. I could tell by the way he held his lips during one SHOT of him. Randy Philips has done nothing to MJ concerning this hoax. MJ called all of his boys back that he'd worked with before just for the purpose of this hoax. In 2007, he showed up for one of Lionel Richie's shows, went backstage afterwards and they made up. Lionel was quoted saying last year or in 2009 that MJ stopped speaking to him since the 1990s until 2007. He didn't explain why MJ had stopped speaking to him, but I bet I know why.
MJ made contact with his old friends and loved ones to alert them of what he was proposing and was going to do - no question. I bet Lionel and the Randy types signed a nondisclosure agreement, and Berry Gordy and Stevie Wonder too.
I just don't understand how one little article has some believing that by 6-25-09, people were still plotting to kill MJ. He lived in Ireland and Bahrain from late 2005 thru at least late 2007. Diana moved from Conneticut to Cali in late 2006. She says she did it to be closer to Evan as he had moved to LA. Some think that MJ jumpstarted Evan's movie career. The film of him playing a Muslim was distributed by "Peace Films." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I think Diana moved closer to finally get rid of the dilemma she and MJ always had as it pertained to the long distance between their homes (living in different States), so upon their committing to each other, he told her she had to move to LA. She was quoted saying that she also decided to move West, because she had an empty nest as all of her children had moved out - so now she could TRAVEL places to visit friends. Got you, Diana. You go girl!
MJ has got it going on - and he is running and tagging some things in the entertainment industry. He is still trying to do it with LOVE.
The entire story of MJ readying for concerts was a fabrication made up by MJ to jumpstart this hoax. Some of This Is It - was not shot only in 2009. I think they started in 2008. I think MJ and children lived part time in a hotel whilst shooting the Dome Project.
I think that MJ had 02 presser to start the illusion. After all, over two years later folks are still debating if that was even him. I don't think the 02 concert had 300 people let in. Not one person got a picture from camera or cell phone. The MJ that was there had a different skin tone and hands. I think MJ being the director gladly used/uses a double for FILM PURPOSES.
Here's the thing. MJ is not afraid of anyone at AEG. He is in contact with Kenny surely - and some of the TII dancers, Travis Payne, et al. They are all in on it together. He has been seen a lot of places. That tells me that he is hardly afraid or hiding from anyone. They are helping him for the brilliant man he is. Many in the ent. industry know that he is alive and is running the Greatest Show on Earth.
I love that pic of MJ and Omer riding a elephant at Neverland.
Btw, I saw a pic of one of MJ's impersonators at our local Moes Mexican restaurant. Lol I forget his name now.
So you don’t think that MJ hoaxed his death for serious reasons then and that there was never going to be any concerts? You think that all of it from start to end was staged? You could be right. Any of us could be 100% right or 100% wrong. I, however, do believe that Michael initially agreed to do 10 concerts but people got greedy and careless. I do believe that Michael staged this hoax for very serious reasons and some of his so called handlers had some good in it and others some bad. And I do believe heads are gonna roll, maybe not for a “death” but for some other very serious wrong doings, but not for quite a while still. I am basically secure in my belief that Michael is not dead, but I am not 100% on anything yet. Things are still unfolding for me. Unfolding slowly but rather neatly.
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I agree with peacock, the whole thing, from the O2 onward was staged. It's been planned for more then 25 years. A great deal of what we (think we) know about those years may have been staged as well. The evidence to support all of this is staggering.
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Okay bec. Then what is the number 1 reason he did it and why did it take 25 years it took to pull it off? For him to plan this forI 25 years there had to be one focal reason for it to begin in the first place. What was it that gave rise to this decision to finally just do it? The brainchild? Was it to expose the media? Was it to expose the industry? Was it to expose the corruption in the government systems? Was it to just get away from it all? All of the above or none of the above? What is it because I can’t see it so clearly as you can and I really, really need to. If what I see is positively erroneous, please enlighten me so I can get on with the life that I put on hold on 6/25/09 and has been stuck there ever since. My family will bless you dearly and will be delighted to get back the person they lost before the rude awakening that took me away from them completely. My eyes, ears, and mind are open to your response. Short and sweet will do it. moonwalk_/
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I don't know why you focused so hard on me but in my opinion it's all for entertainment. Take it easy hesouttamylife, I'm not your enemy. We all put our lives on hold. "I needed your love, I needed you now, I needed your life right here today", you know?
Ps. your family will never get back the person you were before 6/25/09, neither will any of ours. There's no going back from this death hoax.
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I don't know why you focused so hard on me but in my opinion it's all for entertainment. Take it easy hesouttamylife, I'm not your enemy. We all put our lives on hold. "I needed your love, I needed you now, I needed your life right here today", you know?
Ps. your family will never get back the person you were before 6/25/09, neither will any of ours. There's no going back from this death hoax.
How in the world did you take my post as negative? I’m reaching out here. pale/
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Oh I thought you were patronizing me. You used grandiose terms lol. Should I just hug you now?
bearhug
We are in this together, hesouttamylife, don't ever forget it. Someday we will look back fondly and chuckle about how clueless and insecure we were (now).
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Oh I thought you were patronizing me. You used grandiose terms lol. Should I just hug you now?
bearhug
We are in this together, hesouttamylife, don't ever forget it. Someday we will look back fondly and chuckle about how clueless and insecure we were (now).
lolol/ That’s better friend. bearhug and all in this together we shall remain. Joined at the hip. lolol/
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Family… you’ve still got to wait a while longer. Sorry.
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I agree with peacock, the whole thing, from the O2 onward was staged. It's been planned for more then 25 years. A great deal of what we (think we) know about those years may have been staged as well. The evidence to support all of this is staggering.
Of course it is. Why else would the TII poster state: Discover the man you never knew? and Like you've never seen him before. We all know those statements refer not to the 111 minutes of TII, but to the past 2 years where the fans with an open mind came to the conclusion that maybe they didn't know their big hero at all, that maybe they only saw what he wanted them to see: The King of Pop.
I didn't know shit before June 25, besides his music and I think that blank MJ page in my head has kept me sane. I have never seen him as weird, because in my opinion all the drama surrounding MJ (besides the trial and the accusations) was deliberate to keep his public persona alive. I never understood why he did certain things, dressed a certain way, said certain things, talked in a certain manner and I sure as hell didn't understand a lot of his wig and make-up choices. But because I never cared about celeb's lives, I never tried to understand. I think that because I always thought he was playing some kind of role, I immediately thought it was a hoax when I heard the news. But the fact that I watched the memorial only to wait for him to jump out of the casket, proves I might have understood something, but also nothing at all. I think the last 20 years of his life as we know it, have been staged. A role to try and wake people up, to send out a message. Every single thing in those 20 years (and I think he rehearsed a little before those 20 years) had a deeper meaning, an artistic and symbolic way of telling a story that sadly only few, if anyone, really understood. He had to die for people to understand the meaning of it. The 'symbol', the KOP, died on June 25. What remains is a man none of us know. He could be just like you or me, or you next door neighbour. The only thing that is not staged is his endless love for children and those in need, because that was never a circus, that was pure. Major clue about his charachter though is the fact that he pulled this off. Means that he's not some scared, naive and dumb entertainer, it means he is highly intelligent, fully awake and has some balls! The man is on a mission and we have the privilege of following it that close. There are days I wish I had never Googled MJ Hoax, but most of the days I simply feel sorry for the close minded, mourning fans who think he let some incompetent doctor inject him with all those drugs, because they are missing The Greatest Show On Earth. They will witness the end/the bam/the goal, but it's the journey that counts and they will never be able to experience it the way we are.
Sorry, I realize this was slightly off topic.
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Thanks Souza. Great post no matter where you put it. beerchug
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Ok so now that we all group hugged, what's the consensus of this article.
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Ok so now that we all group hugged, what's the consensus of this article.
…juat because your read it on your computer screen or hear it from a magzine don’t make it actual, factual… lolol/ and Michael already told me that. Sorry MJ lolol/
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I don't know why you focused so hard on me but in my opinion it's all for entertainment. Take it easy hesouttamylife, I'm not your enemy. We all put our lives on hold. "I needed your love, I needed you now, I needed your life right here today", you know?
Ps. your family will never get back the person you were before 6/25/09, neither will any of ours. There's no going back from this death hoax.
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that thought is kind of inspiring and scarey all rolled into one
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Conclusion:
1. MJ had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005, so was in great health.
2. Michael did not take prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol, means he's not dead.**
**Original sentence:
Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
The last one is of course a strange statement, because it's not really possible for a dead guy to say if and what he was taking at the time of his death. I think both point 1 and point 2 are the truth. Why would they lie? Because AEG killed him and wanted to cash in money from this insurance? In that case it would have been better to run him over by a bus, because if he really was in bad health and took RX, it would come out after the autopsy.
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Conclusion:
1. MJ had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005, so was in great health.
2. Michael did not take prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol, means he's not dead.**
**Original sentence:
Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
The last one is of course a strange statement, because it's not really possible for a dead guy to say if and what he was taking at the time of his death. I think both point 1 and point 2 are the truth. Why would they lie? Because AEG killed him and wanted to cash in money from this insurance? In that case it would have been better to run him over by a bus, because if he really was in bad health and took RX, it would come out after the autopsy.
Yeah!
That phrase was the first thing that caught my attention in this story! penguin/
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Conclusion:
1. MJ had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005, so was in great health.
2. Michael did not take prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol, means he's not dead.**
**Original sentence:
Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
The last one is of course a strange statement, because it's not really possible for a dead guy to say if and what he was taking at the time of his death. I think both point 1 and point 2 are the truth. Why would they lie? Because AEG killed him and wanted to cash in money from this insurance? In that case it would have been better to run him over by a bus, because if he really was in bad health and took RX, it would come out after the autopsy.
GREATEST party/ GREATEST party/
I'm really happy !!!! bounce/
moonwalk_/
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they have someone who they are going to insure for a large sum , who hasn't seen a doctor in four years . they didn't send this person to their own doctor before agreeing to this policy. yeah , ok
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ForstAMoon wrote:
The court documents attached.
MJ-Lloyds document
Lloyd's of London is suing the Michael Jackson Company and AEG over an insurance policy that was taken out for Michael Jackson's performances in London, which never happened due to the superstar’s sudden death.
LLoyd's accuses AEG, the concert promoter, of withholding witness statements, and "other information necessary to determine AEG's entitlement to coverage under the policy," according to the lawsuit.
The insurance policy that was taken out on behalf of the former King of Pop for $17.5 million dollars, which Lloyd's doesn't think it should have to pay because it was never revealed to them that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and Propofol.
Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death, including Propofol," the court docs state.
The insurance company asserts that they have the right to rescind the policy because of Jackson's alleged drug use.
Lloyds wants the judge to issue an order declaring the insurance policy canceled and that AEG and the Michael Jackson Company are only entitled to a refund of the premium of the policy.
Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 of an acute Propofol intoxication. Jackson's personal physician, Dr Conrad Murray, who admitted to administering Propofol to Michael, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Dr. Murray's trial is expected to begin in September.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2) ... -documents
And this in these documents, The insurance was issued under the alias of "Mark Jones", and covered the 30 first concert at the 02
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/rad.../MJ-Lloyds.pdf (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/rad.../MJ-Lloyds.pdf)
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1988–96In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Lloyd's went through the most traumatic period in its history. Unexpectedly large legal awards in U.S. courts for punitive damages led to large claims by insureds, especially on APH (asbestos, pollution and health hazard) policies, some dating as far back as the 1940s. Many of these policies were designed to cover all liabilities not excluded on broadform liability policies.
Also in the 1980s Lloyd's was accused of fraud by several American states and the names/investors. Some of the more high profile accusations included:
Lloyd's withheld their knowledge of asbestosis and pollution claims until they could recruit more investors to take on these liabilities that were unknown to investors prior to investing in Lloyd's;
Enforcement officials in 11 U.S. states charged Lloyd's and some of its associates with various wrongs such as fraud and selling unregistered securities;
Ian Posgate, one of Lloyd's leading underwriters, was charged with skimming money from investors and secretly trying to buy a Swiss bank; he was later acquitted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd's_of_London
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There are days I wish I had never Googled MJ Hoax, but most of the days I simply feel sorry for the close minded, mourning fans who think he let some incompetent doctor inject him with all those drugs, because they are missing The Greatest Show On Earth. They will witness the end/the bam/the goal, but it's the journey that counts and they will never be able to experience it the way we are.
I couldn't agree more with this.
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might as well add this little bit of info;
http://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=391088
Chief exits Oxygen arm Robertson Taylor
1 June, 2011
Music and entertainment broker Robertson Taylor’s chief executive John Silcock has left the company, Insurance Times understands.
Silcock’s directorship at the Oxygen Insurance Brokers subsidiary was terminated earlier this month, according to a Companies House filing.
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Oxygen refused to confirm Silcock's departure. “Oxygen does not comment on matters relating to individual employees or employment contracts,” said a spokesman.
Oxygen acquired Lloyd’s broker Robertson Taylor in August 2007.
It specialises in arranging insurance for concerts and tours, and was the broker for Michael Jackson’s ‘This is it’ tour in London that was due to take place in 2009 before the pop star’s death.
Andrew Wallin, managing director of Oxygen Partners, the broker’s wholesale and schemes division, is now listed as managing director of Robertson Taylor, according to its website.
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I agree with peacock, the whole thing, from the O2 onward was staged. It's been planned for more then 25 years. A great deal of what we (think we) know about those years may have been staged as well. The evidence to support all of this is staggering.
Of course it is. Why else would the TII poster state: Discover the man you never knew? and Like you've never seen him before. We all know those statements refer not to the 111 minutes of TII, but to the past 2 years where the fans with an open mind came to the conclusion that maybe they didn't know their big hero at all, that maybe they only saw what he wanted them to see: The King of Pop.
I didn't know shit before June 25, besides his music and I think that blank MJ page in my head has kept me sane. I have never seen him as weird, because in my opinion all the drama surrounding MJ (besides the trial and the accusations) was deliberate to keep his public persona alive. I never understood why he did certain things, dressed a certain way, said certain things, talked in a certain manner and I sure as hell didn't understand a lot of his wig and make-up choices. But because I never cared about celeb's lives, I never tried to understand. I think that because I always thought he was playing some kind of role, I immediately thought it was a hoax when I heard the news. But the fact that I watched the memorial only to wait for him to jump out of the casket, proves I might have understood something, but also nothing at all. I think the last 20 years of his life as we know it, have been staged. A role to try and wake people up, to send out a message. Every single thing in those 20 years (and I think he rehearsed a little before those 20 years) had a deeper meaning, an artistic and symbolic way of telling a story that sadly only few, if anyone, really understood. He had to die for people to understand the meaning of it. The 'symbol', the KOP, died on June 25. What remains is a man none of us know. He could be just like you or me, or you next door neighbour. The only thing that is not staged is his endless love for children and those in need, because that was never a circus, that was pure. Major clue about his charachter though is the fact that he pulled this off. Means that he's not some scared, naive and dumb entertainer, it means he is highly intelligent, fully awake and has some balls! The man is on a mission and we have the privilege of following it that close. There are days I wish I had never Googled MJ Hoax, but most of the days I simply feel sorry for the close minded, mourning fans who think he let some incompetent doctor inject him with all those drugs, because they are missing The Greatest Show On Earth. They will witness the end/the bam/the goal, but it's the journey that counts and they will never be able to experience it the way we are.
Sorry, I realize this was slightly off topic.
I LOVE this post Souza!! I see my own "journey" in your words, and I agree with all you have written. So, "Thank you" for sharing with us!
I wasn't a fan and I didn't really even think about Michael Jackson before this hoax, but I have come to Love and Respect, the "MAN" Michael Jackson that I have discovered because of this hoax! I am so grateful to all of the "life lessons" I have learned on this "adventure". We are all truly blessed to be experiencing "History in the making", I'm just sorry that more people are not experiencing this with us!
As for the Lloyd's of London policy.....Good catch Souza! "Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death" -- lolol/
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bec wrote:I agree with peacock, the whole thing, from the O2 onward was staged. It's been planned for more then 25 years.
:shock: 25 years?
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Ps. your family will never get back the person you were before 6/25/09, neither will any of ours. There's no going back from this death hoax.
Yep, so true.
Never the same again.
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Ps. your family will never get back the person you were before 6/25/09, neither will any of ours. There's no going back from this death hoax.
Yep, so true.
Never the same again.
True, but not necessarly good.
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ForstAMoon wrote:
The court documents attached.
MJ-Lloyds document
Lloyd's of London is suing the Michael Jackson Company and AEG over an insurance policy that was taken out for Michael Jackson's performances in London, which never happened due to the superstar’s sudden death.
LLoyd's accuses AEG, the concert promoter, of withholding witness statements, and "other information necessary to determine AEG's entitlement to coverage under the policy," according to the lawsuit.
The insurance policy that was taken out on behalf of the former King of Pop for $17.5 million dollars, which Lloyd's doesn't think it should have to pay because it was never revealed to them that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and Propofol.
Lloyd's contends it shouldn't have to pay the insurance policy because: "AEG and/or Jackson, knew but did not disclose that Jackson was taking prescription drugs and/or drugs prior to and at the time of his death, including Propofol," the court docs state.
The insurance company asserts that they have the right to rescind the policy because of Jackson's alleged drug use.
Lloyds wants the judge to issue an order declaring the insurance policy canceled and that AEG and the Michael Jackson Company are only entitled to a refund of the premium of the policy.
Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 of an acute Propofol intoxication. Jackson's personal physician, Dr Conrad Murray, who admitted to administering Propofol to Michael, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Dr. Murray's trial is expected to begin in September.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2) ... -documents
And this in these documents, The insurance was issued under the alias of "Mark Jones", and covered the 30 first concert at the 02
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/rad.../MJ-Lloyds.pdf (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/rad.../MJ-Lloyds.pdf)
And this in these documents, The insurance was issued under the alias of "Mark Jones", and covered the 30 first concert at the 02
Alias "Mark Jones": it seems not unusual to use an alias in insurance cases, even if it's a legal document..
Posted on June 8, 2011 by Chip Merlin
Michael Jackson Event Coverage Claim Denied--Lloyd's Files Suit
The ability to anticipate future events is important. How about this August 2009 prediction I made in More News on the Michael Jackson Event Cancellation Insurance Policy and Claim:
One of the trends in insurance claims is that some insurance carriers are a lot more willing to litigate potential defenses regardless of the wealth or size of the policyholder. Two decades ago, corporate clients and those of public reputation infrequently needed to resolve insurance matters in courtrooms. That is no longer the case. With $17.5 million at issue, I would not be surprised if the underwriters were considering application defenses as well.
Underwriters at Lloyd’s filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles this week seeking a declaration of no coverage for various reasons, including an application defenses. One curious and common theme throughout the complaint is that the policyholders failed to cooperate and satisfy post-loss conditions. Proofs of loss, examinations under oath and other information were allegedly not provided. For example, the complaint states:
This is an insurance dispute between sophisticated parties to a contingency non-appearance and cancellation policy. The policy was issued with regard to Michael Jackson’s series of concerts to be held London, England at the Arena during the summer and fail of 2009. In light of Mr. Jackson’s death, the concerts never went forward. The insured, AEG Live LLC (“AEG”) made a claim for coverage under the policy and UNDERWRITERS have sought to obtain documents, witness statements and other information necessary to determine AEG’s entitlement to coverage under the policy. The parties have an actual and present controversy regarding what coverage, if any, is afforded under the policy and/or whether the policy should be rescinded for non-disclosures and/or misrepresentations as more fully set forth below. AEG has failed and refused to provide UNDERWRITERS with necessary information, including but not limited to, information and documents regarding Dr. Conrad Murray, Mr. Jackson and AEG, which UNDERWRITERS are informed and believe are directly relevant to and necessary for the determination of whether AEG’s claim is covered. (emphasis added)
Regarding the application defense, the complaint states that misrepresentations made before Michael Jackson’s death voided policy conditions:
"UNDERWRITERS contend that they do not have a duty to indemnify AEG and/or Jackson LLC, based upon THE POLICY’S applicable Conditions Precedent, including but not limited to “Pre-existing Medical Conditions” and “Other Pre-existing Conditions.” THE POLICY states as Conditions Precedent as follows:
It is a condition precedent to the liability of [UNDERWRITERS] that [AEG and/or Jackson LLC] has:...
4.1 truthfully declared all material facts likely to influence a reasonable Insurer in determining:
(4.1.1) whether or not to accept the risk or any subsequent amendment,
(4.1.2) the premium,
(4.1.3) the conditions, exclusions and limitations, having reasonably made all necessary inquiries to establish those facts.
4.2 ... established to their best knowledge and belief after making reasonable inquiry that [Jackson] has no physical, mental or medical condition or is undergoing any treatment, medical or otherwise, other than those advised to [UNDERWRITERS] and agreed to them in writing, and that [Jackson] is fit to fulfill the commitment insured herein.
4.3 no knowledge at inception, of any undisclosed matter, fact or circumstances, actual or threatened, that increases or could increase the possibility of a loss under this Insurance.
4.5 declared that all information supplied to support the application for this Insurance is in all respects true and complete and unchanged at the inception of this Insurance.
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56. UNDERWRITERS contend that they have no duty to indemnify AEG and/or Jackson LLC based upon THE POLICY’S applicable Exclusions, including, but not limited to, Duty of Care, Drugs, and Fraud. THE POLICY includes the following:
This Insurance does not cover any loss directly or indirectly arising out of, contributed to by, or resulting from: ...
7.3 non-appearance at an Insured Performance or Event of any Insured Person due to:
(7.3.4) any known pre-existing, physical, psychological or medical condition unless otherwise agreed in writing by [UNDERWRITERS],
7.4 [AEG’s and/or Jackson LLC’s] or [Jackson’s] lack of care, diligence or prudent behavior, the result of which would increase the risk, and/or likelihood of a loss, hereunder;
7.5 the illegal possession or illicit taking of drugs and their effects; ...
7.12 any fraud, misrepresentation or concealment by [AEG and/or Jackson LLC] or [Jackson].
The policy does not list Michael Jackson by name. Instead, the parties used "Mark Jones" in place of "Michael Jackson" throughout the policy. This is not an uncommon practice when insuring the rich and famous.
Michael Jackson's estate has a fine lawyer, Howard Weitzman. He was quoted as saying, "This legal action is nothing more than an insurance company trying to avoid paying a legitimate claim by the insured."
The issues in this lawsuit are similar to many of the routine insurance coverage cases we handle. Unlike many of ours, though, this is certain to be a Thriller:
http://www.propertyinsurancecoveragelaw ... iles-suit/ (http://www.propertyinsurancecoveragelaw.com/2011/06/articles/insurance/michael-jackson-event-coverage-claim-deniedlloyds-files-suit/)
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might as well add this little bit of info;
http://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=391088
Chief exits Oxygen arm Robertson Taylor
1 June, 2011
Music and entertainment broker Robertson Taylor’s chief executive John Silcock has left the company, Insurance Times understands.
Silcock’s directorship at the Oxygen Insurance Brokers subsidiary was terminated earlier this month, according to a Companies House filing.
Advertisement
Oxygen refused to confirm Silcock's departure. “Oxygen does not comment on matters relating to individual employees or employment contracts,” said a spokesman.
Oxygen acquired Lloyd’s broker Robertson Taylor in August 2007.
It specialises in arranging insurance for concerts and tours, and was the broker for Michael Jackson’s ‘This is it’ tour in London that was due to take place in 2009 before the pop star’s death.
Andrew Wallin, managing director of Oxygen Partners, the broker’s wholesale and schemes division, is now listed as managing director of Robertson Taylor, according to its website.
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Good job lolol/
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a good point about the fact that AEG could be done for fraud.........................maybe thats what michael has planned for them !!!! PAY BACK TIME!
Now that is something that I can sink my teeth into!
Here is something from http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2010/01/ ... d-old.html (http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2010/01/remembering-old-times-old-clues-and-old.html)
Please notice the comment by Tenderoni
Monday, January 4, 2010
Remembering Old Times, Old Clues and Old Friends.
Since the old MJHD database is now available, I was going through some old posts. I realized that somethings were forgotten and should be brought back into the spotlight. So here are some old (but good) posts from the past.
AEG Insured For Death Caused By Overdose
Think hard and remember back to July '09. Remember when it came out that AEG was insured for
death caused by overdose but not death by natural causes. Strange? With this info we asked ourselves:
Is this normal?
We all agreed, the answer was anonymous NO, It's not normal.
Look at an article posted on TMZ:
"Lloyd's of London — Overdose Clause?
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 2:41PM by TMZ Staff
A spokesperson for Lloyd's of London tells us she's never heard of a case where her company has insured someone for a drug overdose.
AEG, the company that was promoting Jackson's London concerts, claimed yesterday the policy it took out from Lloyd's did not cover death from natural causes but did cover overdoses.
Louise Shield – the head of communications for Lloyd's of London — tells us such a policy is “odd” and that she's never heard the company insuring for drug overdoses.
What's more — Shield says the company typically requires a “medical assessment” …. a physical before the policy is written. "
Member Tenderoni added :
"I have been in insurance law for years, and I am tied to the entertainment industry and I have NEVER seen a clause like that. In fact, drugs are usually the reason why you CAN'T get insurance for a movie or tour project. I have never heard of an insurance policy specifically for one thing that entertainment-related insurance companies won't do….especially in light of the fact that they claim he went through the physical. That would show a natural cause related death would be covered but evidence of drugs at that time would negate the insurance.
This makes no sense to me"
So now ask yourself: Is it strange that AEG just happened to be covered for a drug over dose and Michael just so happened to of "died" of just that?
Well YES it is. Yet another factor In this investigation that is just so out-of-the-ordinary. (This is the end of this topic, but she posted more topics.)
Thank you Tenderoni wherever you are!!
AEG says they got a policy for drug overdose and LOL says the drug use was never revealed!! Which is it. LOL knows that whatever policy they got it was not going to be paid from the time the cause of death was made public! And once again here is something else that was first reported by TMZ!!
I want a popcorn eating icon too, because that's what I have been doing since September 2009!!! :D
Blessings to you all!
OnTheWingsOfLove! mj_dance/
a loooong time ago I made a post about tenderoni that i can´t found now... but this is interesting at least....take a look please!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenderoni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenderoni)
bearhug
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Conclusion:
1. MJ had not seen a doctor other than a cosmetic MD since June, 2005, so was in great health.
2. Michael did not take prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol, means he's not dead.**
**Original sentence:
Michael did not disclose he was taking prescription drugs prior to and at the time of his death -- including Propofol.
The last one is of course a strange statement, because it's not really possible for a dead guy to say if and what he was taking at the time of his death. I think both point 1 and point 2 are the truth. Why would they lie? Because AEG killed him and wanted to cash in money from this insurance? In that case it would have been better to run him over by a bus, because if he really was in bad health and took RX, it would come out after the autopsy.
What if AEG bought coroner and twisted real autopsy and put out there for LAPD therefore cause of death was changed from murder to manslaughter? Remember? This scares me.
Because there is no way to have drug overdose clause in any policy. I am still not sure there is that clause just because someone wrote article about it nor I see that statement in the Lloyds' complaint, but IF it is true then that clearly indicates AEG got the policy having plans to kill MJ then generate money from insurance and TII because they new MJ can't perform 50 concerts they wanted,profit from 10 concerts would not be enough for them.
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very smart!
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The last one is of course a strange statement, because it's not really possible for a dead guy to say if and what he was taking at the time of his death. I think both point 1 and point 2 are the truth. Why would they lie? Because AEG killed him and wanted to cash in money from this insurance? In that case it would have been better to run him over by a bus, because if he really was in bad health and took RX, it would come out after the autopsy.
What if AEG bought coroner and twisted real autopsy and put out there for LAPD therefore cause of death was changed from murder to manslaughter? Remember? This scares me.
Because there is no way to have drug overdose clause in any policy. I am still not sure there is that clause just because someone wrote article about it nor I see that statement in the Lloyds' complaint, but IF it is true then that clearly indicates AEG got the policy having plans to kill MJ then generate money from insurance and TII because they new MJ can't perform 50 concerts they wanted,profit from 10 concerts would not be enough for them.
I want to add that whatever I said above does not mean I believe Michael is dead. But, MJ would definitely not have planned hoax involving insurance. Thus, he might have planned hoax long time ago, but AEG murder plan took place sooner,however Michael survived and escaped. I would never believe that MJ is in hoax with AEG to fool insurance and get money. That would be a fraud that MJ would never be involved in, AEG- yes, but not MJ. Though AEG will not get any money.
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very smart!
could you be more specific? There are many posts. This issue is very serious hoaxwise and murderwise. When insurance company (though Lloyds is not a company per se, they are about a hundred syndicates) is involved, it is not a joke.
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Everything you just said. I believe it, always did. And my posts prove that. I didn't want to share because i know people reject anything that doesn't make Michael a hero. They need to know him being total control, being the starter of his hoax but i think he was forced into escaping AS SOON AS. Thank God i'm not the only one having this possible scenario in my mind. I'm not saying this is the truth but why is everybody so sure that it isn't? That's what i don't get. was Murray hired by AEG? pale/
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Everything you just said. I believe it, always did. And my posts prove that. I didn't want to share because i know people reject anything that doesn't make Michael a hero. They need to know him being total control, being the starter of his hoax but i think he was forced into escaping AS SOON AS. Thank God i'm not the only one having this possible scenario in my mind. I'm not saying this is the truth but why is everybody so sure that it isn't? That's what i don't get. was Murray hired by AEG? pale/
That part is NOT clear. I think we have here or I have seen somewhere the concert contract between Michael and AEG. I want to look at that again, it may state clearly Murray part. It was yes and no. Some info says Michael new Murray, some info says AEG hired because MJ needed to sleep. I am gonna look for that contract. There is nothing can restrain anyone who wants to know THE REAL TRUTH and have its point of view to outspeak. As of now, no one can say for 100% certainty it is a hoax. There are more evidense that it is a hoax than not, but that's not enough. I personally want to be sure for 101% it is a hoax and not going to self-deceit just because I desperately want Michael be alive. As for whether it is a hoax and was planned but/or happened saddenly due to circumstances, will be revealed with more questions get clarified on its time.
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Now, this is my theory: Lloyds could be the bad guy. Most people assume that Dr. Murray is hired by AEG. But what if Dr. Murray was hired by Lloyds (as some already mentioned), because Lloyds wanted to avoid a payment and was aiming for only the big profits. Lloyds calculated that there was a risk that MJ wouldn't do the shows, so they hired Dr. Murray, not to stop MJ subjecting himself to overmedication, though to let the world and court believe that MJ was overmedicated prior to his death, which wasn’t covered in the policy, with the result that AEG couldn't claim anything. Dr. Arnold Klein was used as a proof that Michael was addicted. Because MJ is clever, he was aware of this deceit and hoaxed his death in order to expose this to the world. Or something like this. Nah.. this isn't exactly a waterproof theory, though there is something suspicious//
Dr. Murray Targets Arnie Klein in MJ Death
9/15/2010 6:12 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
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Dr. Conrad Murray is going after Michael Jackson's longtime physician and friend, Dr. Arnold Klein, claiming Klein is at least partly to blame for the singer's death and should be a defendant in Joe Jackson's wrongful death lawsuit.
In legal papers filed today and obtained by TMZ ... Dr. Murray challenges Joe Jackson's decision not to name Dr. Klein as one of the physicians allegedly responsible for his son's death.
In the new docs, Murray quotes from Joe's lawsuit, "Dr. Klein may have been medicating Michael Jackson up until or even beyond June 18, 2009, less than one week before Michael Jackson's death."
And Murray continues quoting from Joe's lawsuit that Dr. Klein "prescribed or may have over medicated Michael Jackson including to such point that AEG Live, LLC had to hire Dr. Murray in order to separate Michael Jackson from Arnold Klein."
And Murray goes on to quote Joe's lawsuit which claims "AEG Live, LLC read Michael Jackson the proverbial 'riot act' to get him to stop subjecting himself to overmedication by Dr. Arnold Klein."
So with all that, Dr. Murray concludes, "The plaintiff [Joe Jackson] does not explain why, given these allegations, Dr. Arnold Klein is not a required party to be added to accord proper relief."
In other words ... why didn't Joe sue Arnie?
As TMZ first reported, Dr. Klein shot Michael full of Demerol -- 51 injections in a 3-month span, right up until the week of his death.
Dr. Murray also points the finger at other doctors who treated Michael Jackson, citing TMZ stories revealing that 7 doctors other than Murray were fueling MJ with meds at or near the time of his death.
Murray's team also asked the court to dismiss Joe's wrongful death lawsuit -- claiming Jackson doesn't have the right to file because he's not a beneficiary of MJ's estate.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/14/dr-conrad ... dications/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/14/dr-conrad-murray-arnie-klein-joe-jackson-michael-jackson-death-lawsuit-accusations-injections-overmedications/)
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Finally now a trial makes sense to me. His family didn't lie. If Michael hadn't been smart and escaped in time...everything they say now would have been the truth... They did try to kill Michael. And they knew why they were so angry on aeg that was not just a show for hoax. and i understand katherine's tears now. of course you cry when your son has to quit life because of predators and live in hiding somewhere alone without his children for undetermined time or maybe forever. to have no life. a prison life. i hope jermaine didn't mean he is not safe by his tweets or in danger to be exposed. what if he is found before he is ready to return? can you imagine? :(
so now when and if he comes back can't he be trialed forscamming and causing financial damage through faking his death?
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Now, this is my theory: Lloyds could be the bad guy. Most people assume that Dr. Murray is hired by AEG. But what if Dr. Murray was hired by Lloyds (as some already mentioned), because Lloyds wanted to avoid a payment and was aiming for only the big profits.
Wrong. But it's normal, it's ok.
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Finally now a trial makes sense to me. His family didn't lie. If Michael hadn't been smart and escaped in time...everything they say now would have been the truth... They did try to kill Michael. And they knew why they were so angry on aeg that was not just a show for hoax. and i understand katherine's tears now. of course you cry when your son has to quit life because of predators and live in hiding somewhere alone without his children for undetermined time or maybe forever. to have no life. a prison life. i hope jermaine didn't mean he is not safe by his tweets or in danger to be exposed. what if he is found before he is ready to return? can you imagine? :(
so now when and if he comes back can't he be trialed forscamming and causing financial damage through faking his death?
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To whom MJ caused financial damage and how? Can you name any? So far Michael's debts were payd off, AEG got his expenses back from TII and return of tickets, salary to TII performers also paid. Estate runs very well increasing profit and paying off claim of legit credotrs. Memorial expenses were paid off as well. As far as we can see, there is no financial damage to anyone. INSURANCE BATTLE Lloyds vs AEG and vice versa with MJ name in it is the last and most important one that will clarify a lot. I am gonna follow up on this one.
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scorpionchik wrote:
heartphantom wrote:
Finally now a trial makes sense to me. His family didn't lie. If Michael hadn't been smart and escaped in time...everything they say now would have been the truth... They did try to kill Michael. And they knew why they were so angry on aeg that was not just a show for hoax. and i understand katherine's tears now. of course you cry when your son has to quit life because of predators and live in hiding somewhere alone without his children for undetermined time or maybe forever. to have no life. a prison life. i hope jermaine didn't mean he is not safe by his tweets or in danger to be exposed. what if he is found before he is ready to return? can you imagine?
so now when and if he comes back can't he be trialed forscamming and causing financial damage through faking his death?
To whom MJ caused financial damage and how? Can you name any? So far Michael's debts were payd off, AEG got his expenses back from TII and return of tickets, salary to TII performers also paid. Estate runs very well increasing profit and paying off claim of legit credotrs. Memorial expenses were paid off as well. As far as we can see, there is no financial damage to anyone. INSURANCE BATTLE Lloyds vs AEG and vice versa with MJ name in it is the last and most important one that will clarify a lot. I am gonna follow up on this one.
yes there is to continue with attention all this ... and i hope that no trial would be another delay
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It seems that we are re-hashing stuff again like the concert insurance policy and other stories that have come up including Kathy Hilton's interview about Michael. Somehow I am wondering if we are missing some key information throughout this hoax and these stories are coming out to make us re-visit things that we have missed or misunderstood a clue or information that would be relevant to resolving this whole thing.
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There are days I wish I had never Googled MJ Hoax, but most of the days I simply feel sorry for the close minded, mourning fans who think he let some incompetent doctor inject him with all those drugs, because they are missing The Greatest Show On Earth. They will witness the end/the bam/the goal, but it's the journey that counts and they will never be able to experience it the way we are.
I couldn't agree more with this.
I agree with Souza, they are missing so much, I have learned so much in these 2 yrs.. Thank you Souza for opening this forum.. Without you we wouldn't be here. blessings.
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I wasn't a fan and I didn't really even think about Michael Jackson before this hoax, but I have come to Love and Respect, the "MAN" Michael Jackson that I have discovered because of this hoax! I am so grateful to all of the "life lessons" I have learned on this "adventure". We are all truly blessed to be experiencing "History in the making", I'm just sorry that more people are not experiencing this with us!
From my heart to your lips! I couldn't have said it better! Never followed him before June 25th! But because of the burden that was placed on my heart after that date to pray for him and learn more about him, my life (as "bec" mentioned earlier) will never be the same! I've gotten a glimpse of Michael the man and I'm loving it!
You are so right, I've been blessed! And Souza, kind words are never off topic! ;)
Thank you all for posting! You blessed my heart!
OnTheWingsOfLove!
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It reads like a murder mystery, doesn't it? Very Hollywood 8-)
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One thing is clear that insurance is not a paid ... and not paid
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MJ sings about DOCTOR MURRAY in below video. It is one of the HUGEST CLUES in this HOAX.
Is there any earthly reason why Michael Joe Jackson would sing about a man named Doctor Murray in a video - and then years later, a supposed real life DOC Murray is on trial for killing the beloved KOP? Do some truly think that MJ knew that (who) - AEG - would set him up years later with a Doctor named Conrad Murray that would go on trial (hoax court) for "murdering" him? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get why this clue is dismissed?
MJ loves to watch old movies - and there is no doubt in my mind that he has watched all of the ones pointed out in this hoax video. He is just so thorough and BRILLIANT. His family (parents) and close friends even stand in AWE of him.
May haps there should be a T R A I L thread that is put up strictly to connects dots in this HOAX.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKi ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKiA68&feature=related)
"IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATIONS FOR FREEDOM IN HUMAND HISTORY" And Prince had the word FREEDOM on his arm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32NfG5HeVU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32NfG5HeVU)
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I'm with you peacock.
It is dismissed because people are afraid to believe, they're afraid to be wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I am too... but I'm learning to let go... and let Michael.
You knowz?
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Conrad Murray did not change his name to participate in Michale's hoax plan. In fact, we have his doctor's license suspended on the Medical Board by court order. That was an assumtion of Pianogames long time ago, after that a lot has been changed. And there are still many assumptions going on.
Insurance policy story was coming and going I thought it was closed deal. But now we see that AEG has claimed money and there is a legal battle around that. Insurance policy was not in Michael's hoax plan. We (I will for sure) have to follow and see how it will be resolved and that will hopefully clarify many things.
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https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/ ... of-intent/ (https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/michael-jacksons-agreement-with-aeg-a-contract-or-a-letter-of-intent/)
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https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/michael-jacksons-agreement-with-aeg-a-contract-or-a-letter-of-intent/
Fucking criminals. argue/ crash/ argue/
But I’ve said that all along :roll:
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https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/michael-jacksons-agreement-with-aeg-a-contract-or-a-letter-of-intent/
Thanks. I will read later, but already quickly went over the contract and did not see Conrad Muray name.or maybe I am sleepy now geek/
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Maybe we can merge threads?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=18484&p=318083