Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: MJmakesmespeechless on May 31, 2011, 08:52:29 PM
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I was watching the Piers Morgan interview tonight on CNN...he is with Kathy and Paris Hilton. For about 10 minutes they spoke about Michael. Kathy said she knew him since she was young...they met when she was 13 and he was 14. They went to the same high school together and they hung out and made prank calls
She talked about going to his concerts and also when Paris was born he met her. AND that they said whoever had achild first would name her Paris but of course Kathy did first so there you go.......
One thing she said is years back he lived at the Waldorf hotel...and then she said he was living at the Bel Aire Hotel before his death...she said this several times....This is some very new and interesting information...
She also said she went to see him when he "died" at the hospital. I dont know what to think of this. Hopefully the script will be available on the website on cnn tomorrow so we can read it all word from word.
What do you all make of his?
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So i looked up the Bel Aire Hotel http://www.hotelbelair.com/location (http://www.hotelbelair.com/location)
and it seems that Michael's rented home 100 Carolwood Drive and the Bel Aire Hotel is only a little over a mile away
Could this be a new clue that Michael traveled back and forth from there often??? This is some strange stuff indeed.
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Thank you for posting this information, we have seen at the begining that the call to the 911 was made from the hotel, now i do not recall which hotel. It was made from a hotel..
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Thanks for the info!! I knew that the Hiltons were very close with Michael as is the Kardashians.
Its hard to say what these people know....I can tell you that in 2010 there was a rumor that Paris
Hilton was on one of the hoax sites and that she was a believer. She confessed who she was to a mod
on MJHD.net and when her location was checked, turns out she was in LA! She tried to change her
username a couple of times. It was supposedly 'pinapple dink' for a while. She first raised suspicions
when she knew before everyone that Perez Hilton was a believer and that she had had a conversation
with him about it at a 'party'. She denied that she was anyone famous and then one day she got close with
someone and told them. She some how got herself either banned or left the forum when she got in an argument
with one of the mods. I have no idea if she was for real or not but she sure knew alot about the memorial and
funeral. She also knew where Michael's kids were on a few occasions! It was wierd!
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Yes some pretty cool stuff...I have been MIA or just checking in occasionally here and not posting much so i may miss something...i had not planned on watching this interview at all and i knew that Michael and the Hiltons were friends but i didnt realize that close...i do remember seeing pics of Kathy and her husband leaving Michael's house the day after he "died" in their car. Anyhow it is some new info i thought was interesting to bring to light
Piers is interviewing Latoya later on this week...
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Thanks for the info!! I knew that the Hiltons were very close with Michael as is the Kardashians.
Its hard to say what these people know....I can tell you that in 2010 there was a rumor that Paris
Hilton was on one of the hoax sites and that she was a believer. She confessed who she was to a mod
on MJHD.net and when her location was checked, turns out she was in LA! She tried to change her
username a couple of times. It was supposedly 'pinapple dink' for a while. She first raised suspicions
when she knew before everyone that Perez Hilton was a believer and that she had had a conversation
with him about it at a 'party'. She denied that she was anyone famous and then one day she got close with
someone and told them. She some how got herself either banned or left the forum when she got in an argument
with one of the mods. I have no idea if she was for real or not but she sure knew alot about the memorial and
funeral. She also knew where Michael's kids were on a few occasions! It was wierd!
Wow!
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Yes some pretty cool stuff...I have been MIA or just checking in occasionally here and not posting much so i may miss something...i had not planned on watching this interview at all and i knew that Michael and the Hiltons were friends but i didnt realize that close...i do remember seeing pics of Kathy and her husband leaving Michael's house the day after he "died" in their car. Anyhow it is some new info i thought was interesting to bring to light
Piers is interviewing Latoya later on this week...
Thank you all for this information. It would be really something if Paris was really the one who posted that information. It's too bad that people didn't just let her talk...
Anyway - I find it really strange that all of these people would go to Michael's house after he supposedly "died" there. Not to mention that it should have been closed off by the Police. Anyway, am I the only one who thinks it's strange that all of these people came and went from that house like it was a party? It was supposed to be the site of a homicide.
Blessings
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cnn put up the video of the interview:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/05/31/exp.piers.hilton.michael.jackson.cnn?iref=allsearch
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlB3xAl ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlB3xAl1gM&feature=related)
[youtube:2a1419ny]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlB3xAl1gM&feature=related[/youtube:2a1419ny]
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A decoy...an extra place of residence..sounds to me that someone else died in that house and michael had something to do with it. Would be interesting if farrah was the one who died in that house instead of michael. obviously i'm not insinuating such a theory, although it would be interesting. bounce/
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Wow, I was just watching and it will be repeated later again, so, we have eyewitness, Kathy Hilton who went in and saw Michael dead. WTF. And crying sibblings....WTF. Also Kathy said that she did not see MJ taking medications while there were hanging in the hotel nor can call him drug addict. He just had sleep problem.
Could this ease solving a puzzle who was taken to the hospital? This means someone, Michael's look alike, really died. It is possible that Kathy in very emotional condition could not figure out that actually it was not Michael. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/alles_moegliche/mixed-smiley-025.gif)
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MORGAN: Back with the Hiltons. Kathy, this is fascinating. A lot of people claim to have known Michael Jackson. You actually went to high school with Michael Jackson. And you stayed close friends with him right until the end of his life.
And you've never really spoken about him much in public, not that I can see. Tell me about your relationship with him.
K. HILTON: We met when I was 13 and he was 14 and developed a friendship and a bond throughout the years. And we always kept in touch. And then when I moved to New York and he would come, and we'd always go to his concerts. And, you know, we started with -- we used to make prank phone calls together. And we were little kids.
We had a really great time. And then he came and visited when Paris was born. And then he ended up living at the --
MORGAN: He was there when Paris was first brought into this world. K. HILTON: She was just a few months old.
MORGAN: Really?
K. HILTON: He ended up moving into the Waldorf for six months when we were living there for eight years. And right before he died, he was at the Bel Air Hotel, where we were living while we were renovating our home. So he was there about three or four months.
So we got to spend, you know, great time.
MORGAN: We talk about misconceptions with Paris. What were the misconceptions about Michael, do you think?
K. HILTON: Well, there was not a kinder, more generous, loving, sweet, smart, smart -- I can't -- the most wonderful father. At the Bel Air, he did not have any nanny at all. And when I'd go to pick up the kids to take them somewhere, he'd be brushing their hair and buttoning up the sweater and just so warm and wonderful.
And I just -- I love him. His whole family, they're a really wonderful, beautiful family.
MORGAN: Where were you when you heard he died?
K. HILTON: I had just come back to the hotel.
MORGAN: How did you hear the news?
P. HILTON: My assistant told me. And I literally fell on the floor. And my sister came and picked me up and we went directly to the house, because I thought the children would be there.
MORGAN: Did you go to the hospital when you --
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What was the scene there?
K. HILTON: The children and Mrs. Jackson and all the brothers and sisters and just everybody was in this room. And just crying and hugging each other and just in a daze.
And this is a father that was so with his children. He's dedicated since they were born to raising and being with them. And then Latoya and Randy took me in to say good-bye.
I think if I hadn't, I would never quite in my head believe. Because even though he's a friend, he was such a powerful person.
MORGAN: Was he still alive when you --
K. HILTON: No.
MORGAN: Did you say anything?
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What did you say?
K. HILTON: I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.
MORGAN: Incredibly sad end to his life, wasn't it?
K. HILTON: And he was so fabulous at the hotel. Up early every morning, playing with the kids. Really shocking.
MORGAN: Paris, did you know Michael well?
P. HILTON: Yeah, I grew up -- just my mom -- I remember -- one of the first memories I have of him was when my mom took us to the music video set of "Thriller." And we have the pictures still. I just always loved him. I used to go to his concerts and he'd bring my sister and I on stage and we'd sing up there.
I just always loved him so much. He was such an amazing man.
MORGAN: He said to me, Kathy, I'd like to go see Paris. I said, well, she's out of town. Well, I'd like to see her recording studio. And I said, OK, all right. And I said just jump in the car. It was like 8:30 at night.
I said we don't have to get any security right now. Let's just go. Rick will drive. You jump in the back. And so the kids came and we all went up and we were up there at Paris'.
And he loves to look at everything. So he's looking at all the pictures on the walls. And he loves art. And in her closet and at all her collections of Pinocchio and Tinkerbell and all that.
And he said she reminds me -- she -- she's -- what did he say? Something like, she reminds me sometimes a little of the way certain things that I like. And he loved the gold and the frames and --
P. HILTON: You took him in the studio.
K. HILTON: I took him in the studio and he got to see everything.
MORGAN: And he was an extraordinary talent, wasn't he? And he took your name, of course, for one of his children. How did that make you feel?
P. HILTON: I was honored.
MORGAN: Was it a direct result?
K. HILTON: You know, Latoya will tell you the story. When we were younger, we all would say that whoever has the first girl is going to name her Paris. And I had the first girl. So I got to do it first. And then when he had his daughter -- MORGAN: Have you seen the children much since he died?
K. HILTON: I saw them a couple weeks ago. We went out and had dinner. And I can't believe how big they are. We went over there about three weeks ago.
MORGAN: And are they being well looked after?
K. HILTON: Oh, are you kidding? They're in a new house and Mrs. Jackson is there. They have an incredible, beautiful home, great security. And we had a big family dinner. They went up and did their homework and came down and showed grandma and had their bath and said good night, grandma, I love you. And it was great to see them.
MORGAN: There's a kind of feeling because I guess of the impending court actions involving the doctor and his death and everything else, that he'd become sort of a pathetic character in the end, addicted to all this medication and so on. Is that an inaccurate portrayal, do you think?
K. HILTON: Well, I can tell you that when he was at the Bel Air Hotel, there was none -- there was none of that. Because I had -- he was right underneath where I was. And we talked all the time. In fact, if we would be going somewhere in the daytime, he'd say 1:00 down at the fountain. And if I was five minutes late, he was very on top of it.
And he was with his kids. I believe in my heart that as he got into the concert thing, it was hard for him to sleep probably. He was not a drug addict. He had a problem going to sleep.
I mean, this is not somebody that recreationally would abuse something and I guess the levels went up and up and up.
MORGAN: What do you think his legacy will be, Michael Jackson?
K. HILTON: Well, I think that now that he's gone, everybody realizes what a good person, all the wonderful things that he's done for charity. And it's interesting that we don't hear -- well, I won't get into any of that, but he's left three beautiful children.
MORGAN: Who will be his legacy, I think.
K. HILTON: Absolutely.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... mt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/31/pmt.01.html)
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MORGAN: Was he still alive when you --
K. HILTON: No.
MORGAN: Did you say anything?
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What did you say?
K. HILTON: I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.
What a strange statement. Whispered funny things to a just dead person whom you've loved dearly? Maybe i am too sensitive, whatever. Is she in on hoax? Why is she lying? Could she be sent by Jermaine?
It is possible that Kathy in very emotional condition could not figure out that actually it was not Michael.
Scorpionchik, do you think it's possible? I 'd rather think she's lying. IF not, then we can think that indeed another body was used to replace him.
Anyway, i'm lost with this news. How many people are in on hoax? I can't believe it her role would be senseless, so why, for what? Maybe she was fooled but would the family let her in knowing Michael is not the real one inside? Weren't they supposed to be careful especially when the hoax was in early stage, delicate and a stupid risk for nothing? I don't understand . crash/
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She is not lying, she whisered to someone else she did not realize. Could be. It was very good double. IDK, we need to think and connect dots.
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She is not lying, she whisered to someone else she did not realized. Could be.
I hope so. But if you were his family would you have risked letting her inside with a fake body? I don't think anyone was allowed to be in just like that. crash/ I hope she is lying about everything, maybe she's just supporting Jermaine's anti hoax campaign, how come we haven't heard the story in 2 years or maybe i haven't? But if she is sent by Jermaine how far do they go to convince us? And why now after 2 years?
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Nice to have something new to chew on, and then apparantly another interview with LaToya coming soon! Thank you Piers (and Michael)! I hope, hope, hope this quiet period is going to end. errrr fresse/ bounce/
These were some question that came to my mind:
What highschool would Kathy and Michael have gone together, at 13, 14? She certainly wouldn't have gone to Gary if she was raised wealthy, and it seemed MJ talked only of having a private tutor named Rose.
So they made prank phone calls together…Hmmm… I can think of some phone calls in this hoax that set the scene in certain ways—like Tohme, and drugs, etc.
Is the Waldorf where he lived for 6 months, the same as the Beverly Hilton, and they also own the Beverly Hills hotel (911 call source)?
"Two new three-story buildings on Wilshire Boulevard would house 96 guest rooms and shops. The Beverly Hilton will be a renovated into a smaller, 402-room hotel, renamed the Beverly Hilton Oasis.[6] A 120-room Waldorf=Astoria Beverly Hills hotel, designed by Gwathmey Siegel & Associates Architects, will be included in the project. The Waldorf=Astoria Beverly Hills will be the first new hotel for the brand on the west coast.[7] The Beverly Hilton and the Waldorf=Astoria would be separate experiences, but operated and managed by Hilton Hotels Corporation.[7]" Wiki
Why would she go to the house thinking the children would be there, when she just said that MJ and the kids had been living without a nanny at the Bel Aire hotel for 3 months just before he died? suspicious//
“I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.”
What!! Now that is so weird. afraid/ How many of you guys touch your loved ones all over when they died? As for the funny things she whispered to him maybe, "I can still see you breathing", or "I never thought you'd actually pull this off"?
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So, MjonMind, she's in on hoax too? And forever was? And now comes to shake or support our hope? But who are we after all to be played childish pranks, is this hoax about us or about him or about a grand global plan? I'm starting to be dissapointed about the importance or seriousness or the existence of a delicate matter in this hoax.
anyway..
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by Lovely One » Tue May 31, 2011 9:26 pm
Thanks for the info!! I knew that the Hiltons were very close with Michael as is the Kardashians.
Its hard to say what these people know....I can tell you that in 2010 there was a rumor that Paris
Hilton was on one of the hoax sites and that she was a believer. She confessed who she was to a mod
on MJHD.net and when her location was checked, turns out she was in LA! She tried to change her
username a couple of times. It was supposedly 'pinapple dink' for a while. She first raised suspicions
when she knew before everyone that Perez Hilton was a believer and that she had had a conversation
with him about it at a 'party'. She denied that she was anyone famous and then one day she got close with
someone and told them. She some how got herself either banned or left the forum when she got in an argument
with one of the mods. I have no idea if she was for real or not but she sure knew alot about the memorial and
funeral. She also knew where Michael's kids were on a few occasions! It was wierd!
It would be awesome to track down these posts of hers!
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http ... 0QGJvOWpCg (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/14234820.jpg&imgrefurl=http://backseatcuddler.com/2009/06/27/paris-hilton-michael-jackson-precious-time-together-photos/&usg=__IXN3ITZRmPx5XZzMv0RBNkL02bI=&h=398&w=457&sz=126&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=1U9DJS43699SgM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=128&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bjackson,%2Bparis%2Bhilton%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D851%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&ei=ydPlTb_NK6qy0QGJvOWpCg)
Paris Hilton is devastated over the death of Michael Jackson along with the rest of the planet. She put out some sweet words and posted some photos on her Twitter page.
I am so sad right now I can’t believe Michael is gone. What a sad day today, I’m devastated.
I’m still in shock about Michael. My mom grew up with him since they were teenagers and I’ve known him all my life. He was amazing, so sad.
Michael and his kids were just at my house a few months ago, I can’t believe I will never see him again. He was such a kind and gentle soul.
Love you Michael, you will truly be missed by the entire world. Your music will live on forever, truly timeless and iconic. Miss you
Life is short and precious. Be good and true. Enjoy every moment like it’s your last. You never know when it might be your time to go. Peace
Do you think this sounds like Paris Hilton thinks he’s alive? Sounds a little fake to me IDK.
(http://www.parishiltononline.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/paris-hilton-michael-jackson.jpg)
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OK, LET'S ANALYZE THIS LADY. BTW, I AM WATCHING IT AGAIN. THEY JUST STARTED INTERVIEW AND TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL. QUESTIONS ABOUT MJ COME FROM MORGAN, SHE DOES NOT INITIATE A CONVERSATION ABOUT MJ. BUT, IT IS POSSIBLE, THAT SHE HAD SCRIPT OF MADE UP STORY TO TELL.
K. HILTON: He ended up moving into the Waldorf for six months when we were living there for eight years. And right before he died, he was at the Bel Air Hotel, where we were living while we were renovating our home. So he was there about three or four months.So we got to spend, you know, great time.
MORGAN: Where were you when you heard he died?
K. HILTON: I had just come back to the hotel. My assistant told me. And I literally fell on the floor. And my sister came and picked me up and we went directly to the house, because I thought the children would be there.
WHY SHE WOULD GO TO THE HOUSE IF MICHAEL WAS LIVING IN HOTEL? WHY MJ LIVED IN HOTEL IF HE HAD HOUSE IN CAROLWOOD?
MORGAN: Did you go to the hospital when you --
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What was the scene there?
K. HILTON: The children and Mrs. Jackson and all the brothers and sisters and just everybody was in this room. And just crying and hugging each other and just in a daze.
WHAT ROOM? BROTHERS & SISTERS WERE GOING TO HOSPITAL FROM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND DISTANCE, HOW ALL COULD ALREADY BE THERE?
And then Latoya and Randy took me in to say good-bye.
I think if I hadn't, I would never quite in my head believe. Because even though he's a friend, he was such a powerful person.
WHAT A STUPID EXPRESSION. SO, IF SHE DID NOT SEE MJ "DEAD", THEN SHE WOULD NOT BELIEVE...BECAUSE POWERFUL PEOPLE DON'T DIE? WTF IS THAT MEAN? I THINK, RIGHT HERE SHE CLEARLY SAYS WHAT SHE WAS AKSED TO.
MORGAN: Was he still alive when you --
K. HILTON: No.
MORGAN: Did you say anything?
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What did you say?
K. HILTON: I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.
SORRY, I DON'T BUY THIS, BECAUSE SHE WON;T BE ALLOWED IN, EVEN IF TOYA & RANDY WANTED TO. IF THERE IS REALLY DEAD BODY, DOCTORS TAKE OVER IT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW STRANGER ALONE STAY WITH BODY. AND IT WAS NOT A PROPER PLACE AND TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE. THERE WILL BE MEMORIAL AND FUNERAL SHE COULD SAY GOOD-BYE! WHISPERING FUNNY THING.....WAS THAT SCENE TOO FUNNY, KATHY, OR RIGHT TIME TO JOKE? BULL SHIT.
SHE EITHER TRYING TO BE KAREN FAYE "WHO PUT MAKE UP ON MJ" OR, SHE WAS ASKED, BUT WITHOUT INFORMING HER ABOUT HOAX. IMO.
K. HILTON: And he was so fabulous at the hotel. Up early every morning, playing with the kids. Really shocking.
REALLY? MJ WAS LITERALLY LIVING IN HOTEL. AGAIN, THEN WHY SHE WENT TO THE HOUSE WHEN SHE LEARNED NEWS. WHY MICHAEL "DIED" FROM CAROLWOOD, NOT HOTEL?
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Yes, scorpionchick. She's in the know. Because Michael isn't dead, is he? And fooled with a "false body" couldn't have been because there is no way they would allow her in to check "on dead Michael". Now what i don't understand and it's getting to be annoying is how important is this hoax really? Seems like there are useless people in on hoax, not even so friends really...And when you pull something huge as this, not even friends are recommended. And i don't understand what her role was if she was "reading" Jermaine's script. Or Michael's. Because it wasn't a very positive interview. Sounds like Karen again.
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So, MjonMind, she's in on hoax too? And forever was? And now comes to shake or support our hope? But who are we after all to be played childish pranks, is this hoax about us or about him or about a grand global plan? I'm starting to be dissapointed about the importance or seriousness or the existence of a delicate matter in this hoax.
anyway..
Hey, we're all trying to guess-timate and contribute from various perspectives. You could be right--you could be wrong, or partially right. respect/
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I know MJonMind and i did agree with you. I'm just not very happy about what this means.... crash/
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According to Kathy Hilton, the real Michael was living in a Hotel....with his children and getting up early..
Besides the obvious slip ups that Heartphantom and scorpianchik have pointed out already, this contradicts the theory that MJ was taking Propofol for six weeks, every night. He would had been groggy every morning...
I just had a surgery over the weekend, and it took me 2 hours to even be aroused from it. Even after that, I felt extremely sleepy and unco-ordinated...The operation itself, only took 45minutes..
Well, she wasn't lying about going to the house, but it is at night time......So, which is it.?? If they went to the house in the evening, they would have to be in on it, and maybe helping financing him??? confused/ confused/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVreKlw8Yro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVreKlw8Yro)
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Looks like Kathy and Paris will be on The View on ABC today! Here we go again. I'm sure the View girls will question them too.
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2good2btrue wrote:
According to Kathy Hilton, the real Michael was living in a Hotel....with his children and getting up early..
Besides the obvious slip ups that Heartphantom and scorpianchik have pointed out already, this contradicts the theory that MJ was taking Propofol for six weeks, every night. He would had been groggy every morning...
I just had a surgery over the weekend, and it took me 2 hours to even be aroused from it. Even after that, I felt extremely sleepy and unco-ordinated...The operation itself, only took 45minutes..
Well, she wasn't lying about going to the house, but it is at night time......So, which is it.?? If they went to the house in the evening, they would have to be in on it, and maybe helping financing him???
true if this is so because of Michael to "die" in the hotel, who attended Murray in that house?, I mean if ever there was a sick person there, .. every time someone will have his mouth to say something it does is mess all over what is already
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has anyone in any of these interviews ever been asked if they have met or encountered murray?
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has anyone in any of these interviews ever been asked if they have met or encountered murray?
so paris hiltons (great grandfather ?) was first husband of elizabeth taylor , named conrad .
ever notice in this thing one thing always seems to link to another. why? whether or not it is intentional or coincendence ( ;) ) who knows. :?
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yep, they are talking about Michael again!!
people don't know the funny side of him...them playing "ding dong ditch"
Joy said "you were there when he died, right?" Kathy said yes...
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What are you watching?
"ding dong ditch" :?: , here we call it "knock knock ginger". It sounds like Kathy and Paris would be perfect accomplices for the hoax, and I'm sure if Elizabeth was healthy and well, she would have loved to play her part.
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i get the impression that michaels pranking was always of the completely harmless type.
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Scoripianchk said:
SORRY, I DON'T BUY THIS, BECAUSE SHE WON;T BE ALLOWED IN, EVEN IF TOYA & RANDY WANTED TO. IF THERE IS REALLY DEAD BODY, DOCTORS TAKE OVER IT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW STRANGER ALONE STAY WITH BODY. AND IT WAS NOT A PROPER PLACE AND TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE.
Actually, she would have been allowed in. Once he had died, he would have been in a room in the hospital. They already said Jermaine, LaToya and the children went in to see the body.
If the family had said to the hospital that it was ok for her to go in and see the body, the doctors would allow it.
What is the proper time and place to say goodbye???? These kind of things do happen, and people do go and view the body at the hospital straight after death. Hospitals have their own mortuary departments and viewing rooms. Its entirely possible this happened.
I know because i deal with these kind of things in my career.
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Also... people keep saying that she said he lived in a hotel, and then lived went to the house to see if the kids were still there.
Do we know when MJ moved into Carolwood?? I agree this does sound off to me as i am aware there was the issue with the Xmas decorations still being up in June on the gate - and the explanation given was because Blanet liked them so Michael asked for them to stay.
If we know when exactly MJ moved in to Carolwood, then we can analyse this a bit more.
She could mean MJ was living in a hotel but moved into Carolwood shortly before his death. She would have been aware of the Carolwood address and thats why she went there.
Sorry for being Devils advocate, but i just trying to get the truth here.
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But it would match with the watchers of the house saying they never saw MJ or kids coming or going. There's only the police saying that on the 4 minute tape section they saw MJ coming home after the last rehearsal, and that's only their word which I think is hogwash. And I think that OV guy giving the salt and bread to the white arm (of MJ's) is part of the hoax. MJ, you are so bad!!! afraid/ lolol/
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Scoripianchk said:
SORRY, I DON'T BUY THIS, BECAUSE SHE WON;T BE ALLOWED IN, EVEN IF TOYA & RANDY WANTED TO. IF THERE IS REALLY DEAD BODY, DOCTORS TAKE OVER IT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW STRANGER ALONE STAY WITH BODY. AND IT WAS NOT A PROPER PLACE AND TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE.
Actually, she would have been allowed in. Once he had died, he would have been in a room in the hospital. They already said Jermaine, LaToya and the children went in to see the body.
If the family had said to the hospital that it was ok for her to go in and see the body, the doctors would allow it.
What is the proper time and place to say goodbye???? These kind of things do happen, and people do go and view the body at the hospital straight after death. Hospitals have their own mortuary departments and viewing rooms. Its entirely possible this happened.
Also... people keep saying that she said he lived in a hotel, and then lived went to the house to see if the kids were still there.
Do we know when MJ moved into Carolwood?? I agree this does sound off to me as i am aware there was the issue with the Xmas decorations still being up in June on the gate - and the explanation given was because Blanet liked them so Michael asked for them to stay.
If we know when exactly MJ moved in to Carolwood, then we can analyse this a bit more.
She could mean MJ was living in a hotel but moved into Carolwood shortly before his death. She would have been aware of the Carolwood address and thats why she went there.
Sorry for being Devils advocate, but i just trying to get the truth here.
To me, her story is bizarre. We should tweet her to be more clear on those details. She said "right before his death, he was living in hotel about 3-4 months". This is already fishy. Then, even if she was allowed and got in the room to say good bye, she would not be alone I believe, then "rubbing body parts and whispering funny things" also sounds fishy. It is totally fine that you clarify specific facts for prudent analysis, but still her story sounds made up. And recent Jermain tweets, fight with Pearl, etc. and this interview and questions about Michael's death aired while program about Paris Hilton, does not look coincidental.
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I don't believe a word of this. why now after two years,after Jermaine's tweets. they want to convinced us that Michael is gone. No way ! Not in a million years. Michael is ALIVE , no one can convice me otherwise!
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It seems odd to me that Kathy would have rubbed all over a dead friend's body. I can't even imagine doing that, not even to my best friend. Perhaps a spouse, parent or child, but not a friend. I'm inclined to believe that she is embellishing her story a little. I also think that Michael may have maintained a room or suite at the Bel Air Hotel, as he did have business meetings there, but I am still convinced that he did live at the Carolwood address at the time of his "death".
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New characters are on board albino/
Another contradicting story! And i must say that it's VERY contradicting!
1) Michael living in a hotel ALONE with his children, even without a nanny (which is actually so beautiful, i would love it, if it was true :D).
Contradictions:
- Family talking in every single interview they gave, "Michael was surrounded by bad people", "We could never see him", "The security won't let us in the house to see him" and so on and on and on.
- Ben and Chris telling us that they would spend every single day next to Michael's house just to see how he is going to rehearsals and coming back home, yet we have NOT A SINGLE picture of that.
- The lady who is selling maps on the Carelwood Drive said how every single day there were fans next to Michael's house waiting for him to come out, but only a couple of people were lucky enough to see him, because he was not going out of his house EVERY day for rehearsals.
- The cook (sorry i forgot her name) was working in that house, she said that she was taking a brake, i don't remember for how long, but i think that she came back in May. So she was there cooking for Michael and his children every single day and was seeing CM there.
- TMZ reported in 2008 that Michael Jackson moved into his new house (i don't remember what month it was, please help if you remember), so he was supposed to live in this house since 2008.
- The security guy (the one who was on the radio) said that Michael was living in this house and how 4 days before Michael died Mrs. Katherine came to the house and had that LONG talk with CM in Michael's office. It was a private talk, even Michael left the two of them alone. (of course i don't know if it actually WAS a security guy or someone was just playing with us, but the story is sure interesting)
- KF saying that Michael was soooooooo weak, she had to feed him (WTH). Then how could he live alone and not only take care of himself, but also be a great father to his children. (Once again KF is proven to be wrong)
- IF HE WAS LIVING IN THE HOTEL ALONE WITH HIS KIDS, THEN HOW IN THE WORLD HE WAS ABLE TO GO TO REHEARSALS? I NEVER HEARD THAT HE WOULD GO TO REHEARSE TOGETHER WITH CHILDREN! Kathy said that he was living in the hotel before he died, so supposedly he moved to the house in a week or 2 before he died, but rehearsals must have been started a long time before that. right?
I'm sure that i've forgotten a lot of other things, but i hope that you can get an idea of where i was going :)
2) I'm sorry for this question, but i will say it anyway. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE TOUCHING HIS BODY ALL OVER? HIS DEAD BODY! Maybe i don't get it, maybe i'm scared of corpse (actually yes, i'm scared of dead people errrr). It's okay for his mother and the rest of family (for me it's not really ok with the rest of family, but let's pretend that it's okay) touching his hands, arms, face, hare, legs, feet. KATHY WHY DID YOU TOUCH HIS FEET? It just sound wrong to me, i mean she was just a friend of his, i think touching his hand and maybe a kiss on the chick would be okay. Maybe that's just me, IDK. :?
3) What kind of party was at Michael's house? Why everyone had to go there? Why there was no POLICE?
It reminds me of Britany Murphey (God i miss her so much, she was so beautiful and talented :cry:) death. How everything was ABSOLUTELY OPPOSITE comparing to Michael's "death". Police closed down the house right away, no one was allowed to go in or out! Family was not making any statement (which is how things supposed to be, it's been such a shock to them) police officer asked to respect that!
And after this party, when anyone could just walk in to the house on 25 -26th of June, on 29th Police surprisingly finds a "broken" syringe with unidentified finger prints! Shocking!!!!! How in the world did it get there?!
I'm so confused right now! I don't know what to think, who is in who is out, who is lying who is not, who is a friend who is a foe. crash/
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I agree the "rubbing body parts" bit does seem a bit odd... maybe kissing the head, holding the hands and stroking hair is something you would do if a loved one has departed.... i understand the need to hold and touch the dead body, and also to talk to the body. That would be part of the grieving.
Rubbing his feet sounds a bit odd.... but i am careful to judge because we dont know the specifics of her relationship with him. Maybe this is something she did when he was alive??? Maybe he liked having his feet massaged and it was something she used to do as a friend? Its hard to put this into words... im trying to find an explanation.
People do do wierd things in times of grief and shock.
But i agree the rubbing feet and saying "funny" things in his ear is slightly strange. It would be difficult to find "funny" things to say when the person you loved for a long time has unexpectadly died. But then, like i said before, it is very difficult to predict how a person would react in a time of shock and stress and grief. It makes human beings very unpredictable and everyone is different.
@Kirstina4love - i dont know what your experience is with dead bodies. A lot of people in the Western world never see a dead body in their whole entire lifetime because our culture has sanitised death - hidden it away. That is probably why you find it scary.
But trust me..... (i hope this never happens to you, i really do - but i am trying to explain) - if someone you dearly love passes away and you choose to see their body - YOU WONT BE SCARED. Because it will just look like that person. It will be the body of the person you love and will not be anything to be scared of. You will want to touch and kiss the body, because its the body of the person you love. You will want to be tactile in the way you say goodbye. Its a normal human reaction.
Have you ever had any pets which have died? did you see their dead bodies? I am sure if you did, that you werent scared. When my beloved dog died, he looked like he was in a deep and peaceful sleep. I kissed him goodnight and stroked his fur and told him i loved him.
A lot of people on this board really need to get past the corpse issue. Its not unusual, wierd or wrong for people to view the body, or to touch the body.
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I agree the "rubbing body parts" bit does seem a bit odd... maybe kissing the head, holding the hands and stroking hair is something you would do if a loved one has departed.... i understand the need to hold and touch the dead body, and also to talk to the body. That would be part of the grieving.
Rubbing his feet sounds a bit odd.... but i am careful to judge because we dont know the specifics of her relationship with him. Maybe this is something she did when he was alive??? Maybe he liked having his feet massaged and it was something she used to do as a friend? Its hard to put this into words... im trying to find an explanation.
People do do wierd things in times of grief and shock.
But i agree the rubbing feet and saying "funny" things in his ear is slightly strange. It would be difficult to find "funny" things to say when the person you loved for a long time has unexpectadly died. But then, like i said before, it is very difficult to predict how a person would react in a time of shock and stress and grief. It makes human beings very unpredictable and everyone is different.
@Kirstina4love - i dont know what your experience is with dead bodies. A lot of people in the Western world never see a dead body in their whole entire lifetime because our culture has sanitised death - hidden it away. That is probably why you find it scary.
But trust me..... (i hope this never happens to you, i really do - but i am trying to explain) - if someone you dearly love passes away and you choose to see their body - YOU WONT BE SCARED. Because it will just look like that person. It will be the body of the person you love and will not be anything to be scared of. You will want to touch and kiss the body, because its the body of the person you love. You will want to be tactile in the way you say goodbye. Its a normal human reaction.
Have you ever had any pets which have died? did you see their dead bodies? I am sure if you did, that you werent scared. When my beloved dog died, he looked like he was in a deep and peaceful sleep. I kissed him goodnight and stroked his fur and told him i loved him.
A lot of people on this board really need to get past the corpse issue. Its not unusual, wierd or wrong for people to view the body, or to touch the body.
Thank you for your response! :)
Unfortunately my experience with death was quite the opposite of what you think :( By the age 13 i've already lost 5 family members including my father (i never saw his dead body, because my mother didn't let me to and i'm VERY thankful for that now, in my memory is alive and happy without any disturbing pictures of him being dead). My grate grandmother, grandfather and grandmother died and i saw them dead and i was not scared at all, i did kiss them on the chick. But i guess my fear of dead bodies came when my uncle crushed in a car accident, his face was covered in stitches and was i 13 at that time. So i don't know how or why, but this picture terrified me! So enough about me.
I understand, just like you said, that when dear friends or family members die it's totally fine to kiss and touch them. And that's why i said maybe that's just me, i am the one who is scared of dead people after all. It's still weird to me that Kathy would touch most parts of his body, and i think that we all agree on that. It's just our opinion, maybe as you said they were very close and she felt like it was okay for her to do that.
The important question is whether Michael was living in the hotel or in his rented house? suspicious//
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i too have seen quite a few dead bodies it is nothing to be scared of the hardest was my mother and i did talk to her and hold her hand and took her feet out of plastic bags god knows why they did that to her i whispered lots of things to her funny and sad and promises so it is possible with a very dear friend so not sure what to think i still hope that was not michael there but i just wanted to say visiting a loved one is hard but not scary
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didn't latoya also mention something about paris raising the cover and looking at his legs?
sometimes it is not so odd an idea that they carressed him in general but to give such specific detail in the retelling of the whole thing is so odd.jmo
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has anyone in any of these interviews ever been asked if they have met or encountered murray?
so paris hiltons (great grandfather ?) was first husband of elizabeth taylor , named conrad .
ever notice in this thing one thing always seems to link to another. why? whether or not it is intentional or coincendence ( ;) ) who knows. :?
Paris' youngest brother's name is Conrad as well :)
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has anyone in any of these interviews ever been asked if they have met or encountered murray?
so paris hiltons (great grandfather ?) was first husband of elizabeth taylor , named conrad .
ever notice in this thing one thing always seems to link to another. why? whether or not it is intentional or coincendence ( ;) ) who knows. :?
Paris' youngest brother's name is Conrad as well :)
there is an interview with the pastor from the church michael went to with steve harvey. the man is identified as pastor so and so murray. and then the judge in the case is judge michael pastor. it's like someone just started pulling stuff out of thing air and waits for it to link up. maybe we are hoaxing ourselves :? :shock: suspicious// :oops:
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New characters are on board albino/
Another contradicting story! And i must say that it's VERY contradicting!
1) Michael living in a hotel ALONE with his children, even without a nanny (which is actually so beautiful, i would love it, if it was true :D). I'm remembering Paris telling us that Michael was a good cook. At the time I thought...oh sure...he's got a cook! She said he made the best what was it, "french toast"?? Now if he was there alone with the kids...we have a time he would've cooked!!
Contradictions:
- Family talking in every single interview they gave, "Michael was surrounded by bad people", "We could never see him", "The security won't let us in the house to see him" and so on and on and on.
- Ben and Chris telling us that they would spend every single day next to Michael's house just to see how he is going to rehearsals and coming back home, yet we have NOT A SINGLE picture of that.
- The lady who is selling maps on the Carelwood Drive said how every single day there were fans next to Michael's house waiting for him to come out, but only a couple of people were lucky enough to see him, because he was not going out of his house EVERY day for rehearsals.
- The cook (sorry i forgot her name) was working in that house, she said that she was taking a brake, i don't remember for how long, but i think that she came back in May. So she was there cooking for Michael and his children every single day and was seeing CM there.
- TMZ reported in 2008 that Michael Jackson moved into his new house (i don't remember what month it was, please help if you remember), so he was supposed to live in this house since 2008.
- The security guy (the one who was on the radio) said that Michael was living in this house and how 4 days before Michael died Mrs. Katherine came to the house and had that LONG talk with CM in Michael's office. It was a private talk, even Michael left the two of them alone. (of course i don't know if it actually WAS a security guy or someone was just playing with us, but the story is sure interesting)
Katherine said in an interview that she's "never met the man"...Murray!!
- KF saying that Michael was soooooooo weak, she had to feed him (WTH). Then how could he live alone and not only take care of himself, but also be a great father to his children. (Once again KF is proven to be wrong)
- IF HE WAS LIVING IN THE HOTEL ALONE WITH HIS KIDS, THEN HOW IN THE WORLD HE WAS ABLE TO GO TO REHEARSALS? I NEVER HEARD THAT HE WOULD GO TO REHEARSE TOGETHER WITH CHILDREN! Kathy said that he was living in the hotel before he died, so supposedly he moved to the house in a week or 2 before he died, but rehearsals must have been started a long time before that. right?
Right, and rehearsals were apparently at NIGHT! So the kids would've been in bed. And no paps or anyone else got a pic? Remember only a month or two before the "death" he had been taking the kids out shopping quite often and paps caught pics of him.
Also, remember that big meeting with MJ and his parents and others at the Beverly Hills Hotel...that was what just days earlier, and we wondered why it was there instead of at Carolwood or Hayvenhurst...? Maybe because he wasn't living at Carolwood and didn't want the press to see them all at the hotel he was LIVING at??
Actually, I've been looking, and was that meeting at the Bel Air!!! Would've that placed him there? I just found pics of him leaving there (and they show his neck and I don't see track marks either as I've read!)
http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/leaving-the-bel-air-hotel%28402%29
I'm sure that i've forgotten a lot of other things, but i hope that you can get an idea of where i was going :)
2) I'm sorry for this question, but i will say it anyway. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE TOUCHING HIS BODY ALL OVER? HIS DEAD BODY! Maybe i don't get it, maybe i'm scared of corpse (actually yes, i'm scared of dead people errrr). It's okay for his mother and the rest of family (for me it's not really ok with the rest of family, but let's pretend that it's okay) touching his hands, arms, face, hare, legs, feet. KATHY WHY DID YOU TOUCH HIS FEET? It just sound wrong to me, i mean she was just a friend of his, i think touching his hand and maybe a kiss on the chick would be okay. Maybe that's just me, IDK. :?
3) What kind of party was at Michael's house? Why everyone had to go there? Why there was no POLICE?
It reminds me of Britany Murphey (God i miss her so much, she was so beautiful and talented :cry:) death. How everything was ABSOLUTELY OPPOSITE comparing to Michael's "death". Police closed down the house right away, no one was allowed to go in or out! Family was not making any statement (which is how things supposed to be, it's been such a shock to them) police officer asked to respect that!
And after this party, when anyone could just walk in to the house on 25 -26th of June, on 29th Police surprisingly finds a "broken" syringe with unidentified finger prints! Shocking!!!!! How in the world did it get there?!
I'm so confused right now! I don't know what to think, who is in who is out, who is lying who is not, who is a friend who is a foe. crash/
To me, if there is lying or the stories keep changing or lying or the pieces don't fit, then it's a hoax. Otherwise--come on!!! The Mom of a dead child 2 years out would'nt be changing her story. LaToya's stories wouldn't keep changing.... truth is truth your don't change it because it's a fact. Lies change because you forget what you made up, or someone changed things.
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MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NOT A DRUG ADDICT...KATHY HILTON
Restoring his image again....... and she seems to slip up at one point and talk about him in the present tense...this is the full interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJQZPhtU7Ho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJQZPhtU7Ho)
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I didn't take Kathy's comments about Michael living at the hotel to literally mean that he was living there up to June 25, 2009. I know that he did stay at the hotel when he first came back to LA from Vegas, but I still think that he was living at the Carolwood address on June 25th. I also don't think Kathy would have said that she went to his house after she left the hospital if he was still living at the hotel.
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I didn't take Kathy's comments about Michael living at the hotel to literally mean that he was living there up to June 25, 2009. I know that he did stay at the hotel when he first came back to LA from Vegas, but I still think that he was living at the Carolwood address on June 25th. I also don't think Kathy would have said that she went to his house after she left the hospital if he was still living at the hotel.
I agree. She says when he lived at the hotel....not that he was living at the hotel when he died. Its her choice of words that confused many people.
So Michael was at Carolwood Dve when he died..(hoax death)
But either way, it still seems odd that this subject was even brought up at the interview.!! So many other things she could have talked about.
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There is that PRESENT TENSE again!! lolol/
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Scoripianchk said:
SORRY, I DON'T BUY THIS, BECAUSE SHE WON;T BE ALLOWED IN, EVEN IF TOYA & RANDY WANTED TO. IF THERE IS REALLY DEAD BODY, DOCTORS TAKE OVER IT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW STRANGER ALONE STAY WITH BODY. AND IT WAS NOT A PROPER PLACE AND TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE.
Actually, she would have been allowed in. Once he had died, he would have been in a room in the hospital. They already said Jermaine, LaToya and the children went in to see the body.
If the family had said to the hospital that it was ok for her to go in and see the body, the doctors would allow it.
What is the proper time and place to say goodbye???? These kind of things do happen, and people do go and view the body at the hospital straight after death. Hospitals have their own mortuary departments and viewing rooms. Its entirely possible this happened.
I know because i deal with these kind of things in my career.
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Also... people keep saying that she said he lived in a hotel, and then lived went to the house to see if the kids were still there.
Do we know when MJ moved into Carolwood?? I agree this does sound off to me as i am aware there was the issue with the Xmas decorations still being up in June on the gate - and the explanation given was because Blanet liked them so Michael asked for them to stay.
If we know when exactly MJ moved in to Carolwood, then we can analyse this a bit more.
She could mean MJ was living in a hotel but moved into Carolwood shortly before his death. She would have been aware of the Carolwood address and thats why she went there.
Sorry for being Devils advocate, but i just trying to get the truth here.
well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
8-)
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I don't believe a word of this woman's story and I'm confused as to why anyone here would?
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This is new information which contradicts a lot of what we've been told. So if Michael was staying at the Bel Air, this would contradict some of what Kai Hilton reported. How could he be staying at both places?
However, the place where he was staying is connected with Christian Audigier, which is connected to Ed Hardy, etc.
Michael was filmed along with Christian Audigier months before his "death". Audigier announced a COMEBACK. So maybe the house was a decoy for the hoax death. Also, remember that Carrie Fisher was suspicious about the ridiculously expensive house he rented where he never actually lived!!!
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And then Latoya and Randy took me in to say good-bye.
I think if I hadn't, I would never quite in my head believe. Because even though he's a friend, he was such a powerful person.
WHAT A STUPID EXPRESSION. SO, IF SHE DID NOT SEE MJ "DEAD", THEN SHE WOULD NOT BELIEVE...BECAUSE POWERFUL PEOPLE DON'T DIE? WTF IS THAT MEAN? I THINK, RIGHT HERE SHE CLEARLY SAYS WHAT SHE WAS AKSED TO.
I think it means that if she did not see "his" dead body, she would think that Michael is still alive, because he was powerful enough to create fake news and trick his own friends.
MORGAN: Was he still alive when you --
K. HILTON: No.
MORGAN: Did you say anything?
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What did you say?
K. HILTON: I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.
SORRY, I DON'T BUY THIS, BECAUSE SHE WON'T BE ALLOWED IN, EVEN IF TOYA & RANDY WANTED TO. IF THERE IS REALLY DEAD BODY, DOCTORS TAKE OVER IT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW STRANGER ALONE STAY WITH BODY. AND IT WAS NOT A PROPER PLACE AND TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE. THERE WILL BE MEMORIAL AND FUNERAL SHE COULD SAY GOOD-BYE! WHISPERING FUNNY THING.....WAS THAT SCENE TOO FUNNY, KATHY, OR RIGHT TIME TO JOKE? BULL SHIT.
SHE EITHER TRYING TO BE KAREN FAYE "WHO PUT MAKE UP ON MJ" OR, SHE WAS ASKED, BUT WITHOUT INFORMING HER ABOUT HOAX. IMO.
What tells you that she wouldn't be allowed in? It is the Jackson family and the Hilton family! They are famous and they are close. If there was anything, they are influent enough to do what they want! But when someone dies, even a famous person, everybody who loved the person is allowed in. People are not allowed in during the dying, when the doctors are actually trying to work and reanimate the person, but when the person is already dead, everybody is invited to say goodbye.
And there is nothing wrong with whispering funny things to a dead. It doesn't mean she's not sad! I mean, when my grandfather died, I told him funny things too, just because I didn't want our "relationship" to end in sadness, in order to help myself grieving too. It is just an act of love for yourself and for the person. And I find that behavior really healthy, actually.
And we know that Michael was a joker. And she just said in this interview that they were making pranks on the phone when they were young. No doubt that they were kidding around and joking, when they were togheter. The fact that she whispered funny things to him only confirm that they had a great relationship with lots of laughters.
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I know this is suppose to be in the twitter forum but i figured it would appropriate to post in here since people have been curious if Jermaine is behind all this. i think that this answers the question. and i don't get how the interview is a tribute. anyway...
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
8-)
But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
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i never even realized how close KH and MJ are. I know that MJ is very close to Nichole Richie because she is his goddaughter, and I always figured Paris knew Michael through the Richie family (Lionel Richie). I could be wrong or just skeptical, but why out of all people would Kathy Hilton go to the ER and have access to Mike's 'dead' body? And i thought only family members were allowed to do that and they still had to have permission from the DOCTOR. That hospital had to have been insane with the crowds of people and the fire alarms going off, how did they all have this moment of mourning and visiting his body? I don't get it, with the pandamonium outside and inside, I just cant picture all of this happening... This is Michael Jackson being rushed to the hospital, it would be hard enough for just a few members to visit his body, let alone Kathy Hilton and her sister blah blah blah.... suspicious//
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Nice to have something new to chew on, and then apparantly another interview with LaToya coming soon! Thank you Piers (and Michael)! I hope, hope, hope this quiet period is going to end. errrr fresse/ bounce/
These were some question that came to my mind:
What highschool would Kathy and Michael have gone together, at 13, 14? She certainly wouldn't have gone to Gary if she was raised wealthy, and it seemed MJ talked only of having a private tutor named Rose.
So they made prank phone calls together…Hmmm… I can think of some phone calls in this hoax that set the scene in certain ways—like Tohme, and drugs, etc.
Is the Waldorf where he lived for 6 months, the same as the Beverly Hilton, and they also own the Beverly Hills hotel (911 call source)?
"Two new three-story buildings on Wilshire Boulevard would house 96 guest rooms and shops. The Beverly Hilton will be a renovated into a smaller, 402-room hotel, renamed the Beverly Hilton Oasis.[6] A 120-room Waldorf=Astoria Beverly Hills hotel, designed by Gwathmey Siegel & Associates Architects, will be included in the project. The Waldorf=Astoria Beverly Hills will be the first new hotel for the brand on the west coast.[7] The Beverly Hilton and the Waldorf=Astoria would be separate experiences, but operated and managed by Hilton Hotels Corporation.[7]" Wiki
Why would she go to the house thinking the children would be there, when she just said that MJ and the kids had been living without a nanny at the Bel Aire hotel for 3 months just before he died? suspicious//
“I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.”
What!! Now that is so weird. afraid/ How many of you guys touch your loved ones all over when they died? As for the funny things she whispered to him maybe, "I can still see you breathing", or "I never thought you'd actually pull this off"?
My thought also when i heard the interview..this made me go "whoaa wait a minute :lol: " did she grabbed the crotch also? come on...this is...."wtf" crash/
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I don't believe a word of this woman's story and I'm confused as to why anyone here would?
You're not alone, Bec. I, too, don't believe her. And it's not because I can't see her touching his body all over or talking funny things in his ear, etc. I do find it odd that we haven't seen any pictures of her there...there was all kinds of media there by the time she would have been there. If someone can provide a picture then I'll believe she was there.
Also - the story of how Paris was named is contradictory to past stories. Paris Hilton said a year earlier that Paris Jackson was named after her yet it's been told that she was conceived in Paris and that is how she was named. Which story (out of the three) is true?
And, did she say something publicly when Michael died? I don't remember seeing anything. I agree - why now?
I tend to think she is saying these things to reveal more of who the real Michael is. Remember, piece by piece....
Blessings :)
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The picture/video of her and her husband in their car is taken at night when the 'body' would long have been taken to the coroners, no? Unless they stayed afterwards just to be with the family until late evening and then got their pic taken. Good point, no statement earlier in the first months of grieving, but then now after 2 years. Does anyone know if she or Paris was at the memorial or funeral? I'm thinking that it's simply her assigned turn right now, though if she's a top-notch prankster she's probably been working behind the scenes already. The thing really boils down to, if we really believe all the thousand other clues that Michael is alive, then she is obviously lying. Only if MJ is actually dead do we take her word as believable, but then why are we here. pale/ It's also interesting that as a good friend she doesn't bring up any foul play in the death like say LaToya or Karen F., or seem angry at his death when he was healthy and on the verge of a wonderful come-back. If my loved one was possibly murdered, I certainly wouldn't be whispering funny statements in his ears, I would have been weeping with anger at the injustice, especially with all the family there who were apparantly aware that MJ had said he was afraid for his life.
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so was this possibly just to try and give some sort of explanation as to why they were seen going onto the property, period? but as it was pointed out it was late, after dark. so it doesn't match up with the story then does it? and are we even sure what property it was?
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
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But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
Im bumping my comment because i really think ive hit on something here. I hope someone discusses this with me. This really could explain why Dr Murray said he didnt know the address.
Was there ever any dates given as to when MJ was supposed to have moved into Carolwood?
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
8-)
But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
Im bumping my comment because i really think ive hit on something here. I hope someone discusses this with me. This really could explain why Dr Murray said he didnt know the address.
Was there ever any dates given as to when MJ was supposed to have moved into Carolwood?
but didn't kye chase and then another chef both said that murray had been carrying in oxygen tanks prior to that night on a regular basis? although that doesn't tell where it was happening at . although the hilton lady says he didn't have any help while he was at the hotel right?
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And then Latoya and Randy took me in to say good-bye.
I think if I hadn't, I would never quite in my head believe. Because even though he's a friend, he was such a powerful person.
WHAT A STUPID EXPRESSION. SO, IF SHE DID NOT SEE MJ "DEAD", THEN SHE WOULD NOT BELIEVE...BECAUSE POWERFUL PEOPLE DON'T DIE? WTF IS THAT MEAN? I THINK, RIGHT HERE SHE CLEARLY SAYS WHAT SHE WAS AKSED TO.
I think it means that if she did not see "his" dead body, she would think that Michael is still alive, because he was powerful enough to create fake news and trick his own friends.
MORGAN: Was he still alive when you --
K. HILTON: No.
MORGAN: Did you say anything?
K. HILTON: Yes.
MORGAN: What did you say?
K. HILTON: I rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and I just -- I told him I love him so much and, you know, whispered some funny things to him, and that was it.
SORRY, I DON'T BUY THIS, BECAUSE SHE WON'T BE ALLOWED IN, EVEN IF TOYA & RANDY WANTED TO. IF THERE IS REALLY DEAD BODY, DOCTORS TAKE OVER IT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW STRANGER ALONE STAY WITH BODY. AND IT WAS NOT A PROPER PLACE AND TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE. THERE WILL BE MEMORIAL AND FUNERAL SHE COULD SAY GOOD-BYE! WHISPERING FUNNY THING.....WAS THAT SCENE TOO FUNNY, KATHY, OR RIGHT TIME TO JOKE? BULL SHIT.
SHE EITHER TRYING TO BE KAREN FAYE "WHO PUT MAKE UP ON MJ" OR, SHE WAS ASKED, BUT WITHOUT INFORMING HER ABOUT HOAX. IMO.
What tells you that she wouldn't be allowed in? It is the Jackson family and the Hilton family! They are famous and they are close. If there was anything, they are influent enough to do what they want! But when someone dies, even a famous person, everybody who loved the person is allowed in. People are not allowed in during the dying, when the doctors are actually trying to work and reanimate the person, but when the person is already dead, everybody is invited to say goodbye.
And there is nothing wrong with whispering funny things to a dead. It doesn't mean she's not sad! I mean, when my grandfather died, I told him funny things too, just because I didn't want our "relationship" to end in sadness, in order to help myself grieving too. It is just an act of love for yourself and for the person. And I find that behavior really healthy, actually.
And we know that Michael was a joker. And she just said in this interview that they were making pranks on the phone when they were young. No doubt that they were kidding around and joking, when they were togheter. The fact that she whispered funny things to him only confirm that they had a great relationship with lots of laughters.
I don't share your opinion. No matter how famous and close those families, it is not possible for her to rub "dead" Michael's body parts. I did not touch my young and pretty mother when she died, nor whisper funny things just because she was a woman full of life and sense of humor. And definitely my brain was not fucked up from a huge grief and pain I felt to say "she is in airport". Hello! But that's me, not Jacksons or Hiltons.
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also this is yet another one of these people who hint that this would be perfectly acceptable way to get sleep . :? i don't understand this point of view.
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Maybe it's not shoking for "their world".
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This is new information which contradicts a lot of what we've been told. So if Michael was staying at the Bel Air, this would contradict some of what Kai Hilton reported. How could he be staying at both places?
However, the place where he was staying is connected with Christian Audigier, which is connected to Ed Hardy, etc.
Michael was filmed along with Christian Audigier months before his "death". Audigier announced a COMEBACK. So maybe the house was a decoy for the hoax death. Also, remember that Carrie Fisher was suspicious about the ridiculously expensive house he rented where he never actually lived!!!
someone above asked when he moved into the Bel Air Hotel.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... hoto200907 (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2009/07/michael-jackson-photo200907)
National Photo Group, from the beginning, “wanted to be the Michael Jackson agency,” Evenstad says. “There’s always money to be made with Michael, so we started shooting him every day.” [u]Last fall, when Jackson moved into the Bel-Air Hotel, in Los Angeles[/u], Christopher Weiss and another photographer were assigned to be, as Weiss puts it, “soldiers of the sit.” He, too, became friendly with the singer’s core group of fans: mostly young, attractive, European women.
i think the above would be just about right. that's when he relocated from Las Vegas, and then we read that he moved into Carolwood in December 2008. so when Kathy Hilton said he was living at the Bel Air Hotel right before he died, maybe she had in mind a quite loose timeline? because after all, she knew where to go when she heard he died. it's just that she was seen going at night, and not right after she heard.
but then again, liegi mentioned Carrie Fisher, who said:
http://carriefisher.com/?p=439 (http://carriefisher.com/?p=439)
I visited him over the Christmas holiday at that weirdly expensive rental home somewhere here in Southern Cal. [u]What’s odd is that I see fans laying flowers in front of homes that I don’t think Michael ever lived in.[/u] But then this whole scene is odd.
where else would fans go and bring their flowers, aside from Forest Lawn? 1oo Carolwood was the only KNOWN place that Michael lived in. Carrie must have been seeing photos of those flowers at the gate, and maybe she's thinking 'this is not the house Michael lived in when I visited him.'
also, the OVGuide video from last year showed the guy who was trying to persuade Michael to pull down the Christmas wreaths on the gate, go to a 3rd gate, a back gate. it certainly didn't look like the main gate or the one with the garage. the gate was opened and someone quickly grabbed the bag of flags that the man brought and then closed the gate on the man's face.
but alphaba2 here says she walked around the property AGAIN and really didn't see a third gate. she has an earlier video about this where she said the same thing, and she was asked to look again the next time she was at Carolwood, and now she confirms that she didn't see the gate OVGuide went to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FeCom-u9CA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FeCom-u9CA)
from 3:05 - 3:25
also, if they say paparazzi and fans camped out everyday, waiting to photograph Michael and the children's comings and goings, why aren't there any pictures at all? at least i haven't seen any. Big E said fans were there everyday and every time they come out of the gate, Michael would even open his window and shake hands or something. but there are no photos.
so i think it's also possible that Carolwood was a big misdirection. he possibly rented it as well, but maybe he didn't actually live there. he would go there for show sometimes, and can easily come in through the garage entrance without being seen because it was on one side of the property, and leave again through the main gate - to show himself to the fans.
there is this TMZ :x article about MJ wanting to buy a Bel Air Mansion. in the photo is Barbara Mori, a Mexican actress.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/jackson-w ... f-bel-air/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/jackson-wanted-to-be-fresh-king-of-bel-air/)
but it seems the TRUE story is here:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... rbara-mori (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-07-10/news-interviews/28201206_1_hrithik-roshan-s-homepage-rakesh-roshan-barbara-mori)
According to the Roshans, Jackson casually walked into Hrithik's makeup room in a Bel Air apartment in LA, where the actor was shooting for Kites. The story goes that first Jackson' bodyguards entered. Hrithik was taken aback to see the burly men. On questioning them, [u]he learned that they were Jackson's bodyguards come to do a recce as the pop star was shooting the next day at the same venue[/u].
Coincidentally, Jackson also dropped in the same day as the Kites team was shooting. "My name is Michael," he is reported to have told Hrithik, his Mexican co-star Barbara Mori, and Rakesh Roshan. "It was funny to see someone like him who the whole world knows introducing himself. Jackson and Hrithik spoke for a short time and then the singer left," said a source.
"I've been a huge Jackson fan since childhood," said Hrithik. "So dad requested the mansion owner that we'd like to come over and meet Jackson. Instead he turned up in the room to meet us. That meeting is etched in my memory."
According to Roshan Sr, "Michael Jackson was very curious about our shooting."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1198101/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1198101/)
so what was Michael shooting? of course it's also possible that it was just an excuse he made and that he was really interested in the mansion...but what i'm saying is no one bothers to verify such articles so manipulation from the enemy camp - or Michael's, is easy. and this hoax has got to have given us - or that other camp - some misdirections. Carolwood might have been one of them.
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Okay, so the thing with her rubbing his feet is very strange. I was just watching the bio of Walt Disney on CNBC, and at the end, when his kids and grandchildren were discussing his death, one of them said they remember walking up the hallway of the hospital, and saw (I think it was Roy Disney) standing outside the hospital room, shocked. When they reached the room, they saw Walt Disney had already passed away. He was laying with his hands on his chest, peaceful looking. Roy was in the room, talking to him, telling little jokes and stories, and rubbing his feet. Huh?
I understand holding hands, touching his face, but here again, he was rubbing his feet.
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i don't quite understand it but i tend to get this weird uncomfortable feeling when i see the photos of michael and ben. can't explain it. like particularly in the one where micheal seems to be distancing himself.
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Nope, this bizarre behavior of rubbing MJ's extremities (particularly his feet) just doesn't sit well with me at all. Not at all! Too off the wall, mind you. Sounds too much like she is rubbing his body like a genie in a bottle. I liken it to her wanting to make a wish and she is desperately wishing for Michael's reincarnated spirit to escape from his lifeless body (like a reenactment of Ghosts) to reappear before her only to grant her three wishes! Ha! Are you scared yet?!?!? Awfully weird! Makes you wonder what the poor girl would have asked for?!?!?!?
Hollywood sure is crazy!
And, how many people now have admitted to fondling his body once dead? Isn't it bad enough Karen had to spend +9 hours preparing the body!
(one word sums it all up:BS!)
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how many people now have admitted to fondling his body once dead?
Vote----> Quote of the Day.
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Nope, this bizarre behavior of rubbing MJ's extremities (particularly his feet) just doesn't sit well with me at all. Not at all! Too off the wall, mind you.
(one word sums it all up:BS!)
They try too hard and they talk nonsense.
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
8-)
But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
Im bumping my comment because i really think ive hit on something here. I hope someone discusses this with me. This really could explain why Dr Murray said he didnt know the address.
Was there ever any dates given as to when MJ was supposed to have moved into Carolwood?
Hi Miss Peppers...I'm not ignoring you. I just don't quite understand what you are saying. Can you expound on your thought?
Are saying that Dr Murray gave Propofol to Michael at the Bel-Air? If so then we need to know how Carolwood Drive fits into the picture because Michael's kids were supposedly at that residence (per Kai Chase, the chef). I would think that hotel security camera's would have shown Dr Murray bringing in equipment to sedate Michael if that were the case. And if so, they would have looked at those tapes knowing that Michael was registered there, right?
I admit that the doctor not knowing the address is odd because one would think that as a doctor it would be basic information to know the address of your patient - especially if you drove there every day.
Blessings
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Okay, so the thing with her rubbing his feet is very strange. I was just watching the bio of Walt Disney on CNBC, and at the end, when his kids and grandchildren were discussing his death, one of them said they remember walking up the hallway of the hospital, and saw (I think it was Roy Disney) standing outside the hospital room, shocked. When they reached the room, they saw Walt Disney had already passed away. He was laying with his hands on his chest, peaceful looking. Roy was in the room, talking to him, telling little jokes and stories, and rubbing his feet. Huh?
I understand holding hands, touching his face, but here again, he was rubbing his feet.
It is not an explanation I got here, but some mystical extrapolation.
1) Some Chinese beliefs says that the spirit of a dead leaves the body by its feet. That's why Feng Shui says that you never place your bed in a way that would direct your feet to the door (of your room).
2) There is another belief saying that, back in the days, the embalmer would bite the toe of a dead, to make sure he is really dead. In french, we use to call them "Croque-Mort" (Dead Biter).
3) And don't we say: "six feet under" ?
What do we know of our world? Maybe there is a relation between Feet and Death. :mrgreen:
Maybe Kathy and Roy were just responding to their sixth sense! :idea: :?: :D
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Is this her?
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/Untitled.jpg)
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I don't share your opinion. No matter how famous and close those families, it is not possible for her to rub "dead" Michael's body parts. I did not touch my young and pretty mother when she died, nor whisper funny things just because she was a woman full of life and sense of humor. And definitely my brain was not fucked up from a huge grief and pain I felt to say "she is in airport". Hello! But that's me, not Jacksons or Hiltons.
Then... maybe it depends on the country, the state or the city? suspicious//
Maybe it depends on the hospital? :?:
Because when my grandfather died, there was a bunch of people in the room.
Even the priest who did his ritual with us all, friends and family that were there.
It seems inhuman to me, to keep the loving ones away!
If one of my friend died and I made it to the hospital, I'll get in the room, no matter what! :evil:
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I actually rubbed my Father's feet when he died at home. My mother was at his head stroking his hair, my sister had hold of his hand and I had his foot. At the time it was totally spontaneous and felt natural to do as we had nursed him at home and were there at his passing.
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I would encourage everyone to read the comments posted below this video http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/0 ... ul-person/ (http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/01/kathy-hilton-on-michael-jackson-he-was-such-a-powerful-person/) The change in perspective of Michael is awesome. It's like a veil is being lifted, and piece by piece his true character is being spotlighted and his name cleared once and for all. Jermaine, with his tweet of appreciation for the Hilton's tribute may be taking this into consideration.
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I hope no one believes this woman. And for the ones to point out how they touched or rubbed their relatives, surely that is different than what Kathy proposes. And for the ones that say that maybe that is how they do it in Hollywood, get real. That is not how Mr. & Mrs. Jackson would do it, period!
MJ was not in a HOSPITAL ROOM DEAD OK? So why even go on and on? I wonder what some newbies think when reading some people's takes. They are truly being no help to this hoax. Why are you here if you believe this woman? And especially you Miss Peppers. You always have something negative to say, and you make sure you lean toward MJ being dead as a door knob as Gina calls him. Why not go to the Murder Theory forum then.
I hope some don't think they are helping by TRYING to play the so-called "devil's advocate." We don't need any of those around here, in my estimation. It truly does muddy up the waters, and again, I sincerely hope that you all don't think you are providing clues or helping anything along, because you are most certainly not. You're a waste of space in this HOAX if you ask me. You are putting out negative energy instead of positive, and on and on.
Granted, MJ doesn't mind it that we like TS mentioned try to point out WHY THIS IS A HOAX, hence the Sting vs Hoax court aspect, but that is just it. We should be here enlightening the newbies as Souza has so eloquently done on the initial Home Page and her Blog. And then some of you come here to try and dispell what she wrote. I don't think that is MJ's purpose for hoaxville. He wants up to prove why this is a hoax and why he is not dead by this point. It is really old news to be still trying to figure out if MJ is alive or not for us believers and knowers. We are suppose to be helping the ones that are new to the idea, not babysitting and trying to pacify the ones that should know better.
Kathy of course knows that MJ is alive. Many, many celebrities do in all of entertainment. They have been asked not to expose it outright. And, some signed confidentiality agreements. Plus, MJ is a POWER BROKER in the industry big time. He OWNS at least half of Sony Music Ent. and is probably a BIG CHIEF that the other half listens to in that company instead of the other way around. Sony Music knew who's side their bread was buttered on, and that is why they kicked out Motolla - and shook up the top. They respect MJ and his opinion to no end. They saw how savvy he was from the get go of their getting with him. They most likely felt - "how can we lose - with the stuff Michael Jackson uses." Word up!
Lastly, MJ has probably shook his head at many people at the beginning of this hoax. For some to think that he really took propofol and other drugs hurt his feelings. He was like "how can they think that of me?" Some prople were so quick to believe it, and some on here still do. I never believed it and as God is my witness. When I saw that nurse Cherylin - I knew she was lying. I've never believed that Michael was EVER a drug addict per se. Maybe he found himself taking too many precription drugs for pain at one time, but that was it.
I look at the positive in everything, but many like to believe the lying media and tabloids and they jump on believing the negative. I think MJ has and is separating people along these lines. The ones that had/have faith in him and the ones that had/have faith in what the media has to said in order to fabricate and lie about him. Some on here still believe some of the lies the media has told on MJ. There is where they've accumulated some of their so-called facts of belief about/against MJ. He said out of his own mouth that he didn't take drugs. He had his children and Diana to live for, so why would he need a doctor Murray that he sings about in the Moonwalker version of Smooth Criminal to sedate him?
And less we forget, MJ wrote the script/screenplay, et at - so HE/HIMSELF had to die of something. There has to be a story of how and why he "died." By this point though, it is a little tiring to see some that believe that asinine and made up story that Michael Jackson had to be fed a drug like propofol to fall asleep. There is even evidence to show that this entire scenario that they proposed had happened to him with this drug can't be accomplished the way they claim (script written), but still some believe it. It is almost like they want to believe it. They don't know Michael. They can't feel the real him. They don't believe in him and his heart, and they are all about giving off and out lower vibrations/negative energy and frequencies.
And by the way, what is Anthony Jackson suppose to say - "My cousin is very much alive." It is not his hoax to expose, just like it is not anyone else's hoax to expose. Why would any of MJ's relatives state that MJ is alive? Does it make sense? This is his adventure. It's his fingers that need to be snapped. He is the one that needs to play with 'em a little bit. And then it is his BAM to throw down. And like someone recently posted, for the ones it pertains to, please get over yourselves. It is not about you. It is about MJ.
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All hail peacock, for peacock is the voice of reason and rationality.
Why would ANYONE here believe this women? GET REAL!
Things will go better if you just hold his hand! Whatever happens, don't let go!
Some dropped Michael's hand long ago, yet keep coming here to weigh in their opinion as if it matters.
Thanks, peacock, for your spectacular post.
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Amen peacock7!!! 100% true, i couldn't agree with u more, thx!
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Way to go peacock7!! If you truly believe that Michael is alive, NOTHING, should make you waiver from that belief! Bringing all this "negativity" to the forum, is defeating the purpose! Keep The Faith and try to enforce positive energy at all times!!
Sending you all LOVE and a great big hug! :)
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wow ! i must be really :? i could have sworn we were just anylizing the information argue/ :roll:
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I still believe he is alive too, I just wrote what I heard on the Disney story as maybe Michael used that, and told her to say it. Michael did love Disney, I mean, he made his home look like the place Walt dreamed to create.
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wow ! i must be really :? i could have sworn we were just anylizing the information argue/ :roll:
I agree.
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I don't feel I'm bringing a negative vibe here at all flowergirl. I was just saying it's not odd to rub someone's foot after they pass cause I did.
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in reality is what is in question here really what one would or would not do under the circumstances or are we somehow in our guts questioning the legitamacy of this relationship?
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Granted, MJ doesn't mind it that we, like TS mentioned, try to point out WHY THIS IS A HOAX
Really? How do you know, will you please share more with us? I see you're in the know.
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Kathy of course knows that MJ is alive. Many, many celebrities do in all of entertainment. They have been asked not to expose it outright. And, some signed confidentiality agreements. Plus, MJ is a POWER BROKER in the industry big time. He OWNS at least half of Sony Music Ent. and is probably a BIG CHIEF that the other half listens to in that company instead of the other way around. Sony Music knew who's side their bread was buttered on, and that is why they kicked out Motolla - and shook up the top. They respect MJ and his opinion to no end. They saw how savvy he was from the get go of their getting with him. They most likely felt - "how can we lose - with the stuff Michael Jackson uses." Word up!
Kathy went to that interview to say all these things on purpose, she is not deliberately lying is following a script.
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I hope no one believes this woman. And for the ones to point out how they touched or rubbed their relatives, surely that is different than what Kathy proposes. And for the ones that say that maybe that is how they do it in Hollywood, get real. That is not how Mr. & Mrs. Jackson would do it, period!
MJ was not in a HOSPITAL ROOM DEAD OK? So why even go on and on? I wonder what some newbies think when reading some people's takes. They are truly being no help to this hoax. Why are you here if you believe this woman? And especially you Miss Peppers. You always have something negative to say, and you make sure you lean toward MJ being dead as a door knob as Gina calls him. Why not go to the Murder Theory forum then.
I hope some don't think they are helping by TRYING to play the so-called "devil's advocate." We don't need any of those around here, in my estimation. It truly does muddy up the waters, and again, I sincerely hope that you all don't think you are providing clues or helping anything along, because you are most certainly not. You're a waste of space in this HOAX if you ask me. You are putting out negative energy instead of positive, and on and on.
Granted, MJ doesn't mind it that we like TS mentioned try to point out WHY THIS IS A HOAX, hence the Sting vs Hoax court aspect, but that is just it. We should be here enlightening the newbies as Souza has so eloquently done on the initial Home Page and her Blog. And then some of you come here to try and dispell what she wrote. I don't think that is MJ's purpose for hoaxville. He wants up to prove why this is a hoax and why he is not dead by this point. It is really old news to be still trying to figure out if MJ is alive or not for us believers and knowers. We are suppose to be helping the ones that are new to the idea, not babysitting and trying to pacify the ones that should know better.
Kathy of course knows that MJ is alive. Many, many celebrities do in all of entertainment. They have been asked not to expose it outright. And, some signed confidentiality agreements. Plus, MJ is a POWER BROKER in the industry big time. He OWNS at least half of Sony Music Ent. and is probably a BIG CHIEF that the other half listens to in that company instead of the other way around. Sony Music knew who's side their bread was buttered on, and that is why they kicked out Motolla - and shook up the top. They respect MJ and his opinion to no end. They saw how savvy he was from the get go of their getting with him. They most likely felt - "how can we lose - with the stuff Michael Jackson uses." Word up!
Lastly, MJ has probably shook his head at many people at the beginning of this hoax. For some to think that he really took propofol and other drugs hurt his feelings. He was like "how can they think that of me?" Some prople were so quick to believe it, and some on here still do. I never believed it and as God is my witness. When I saw that nurse Cherylin - I knew she was lying. I've never believed that Michael was EVER a drug addict per se. Maybe he found himself taking too many precription drugs for pain at one time, but that was it.
I look at the positive in everything, but many like to believe the lying media and tabloids and they jump on believing the negative. I think MJ has and is separating people along these lines. The ones that had/have faith in him and the ones that had/have faith in what the media has to said in order to fabricate and lie about him. Some on here still believe some of the lies the media has told on MJ. There is where they've accumulated some of their so-called facts of belief about/against MJ. He said out of his own mouth that he didn't take drugs. He had his children and Diana to live for, so why would he need a doctor Murray that he sings about in the Moonwalker version of Smooth Criminal to sedate him?
And less we forget, MJ wrote the script/screenplay, et at - so HE/HIMSELF had to die of something. There has to be a story of how and why he "died." By this point though, it is a little tiring to see some that believe that asinine and made up story that Michael Jackson had to be fed a drug like propofol to fall asleep. There is even evidence to show that this entire scenario that they proposed had happened to him with this drug can't be accomplished the way they claim (script written), but still some believe it. It is almost like they want to believe it. They don't know Michael. They can't feel the real him. They don't believe in him and his heart, and they are all about giving off and out lower vibrations/negative energy and frequencies.
And by the way, what is Anthony Jackson suppose to say - "My cousin is very much alive." It is not his hoax to expose, just like it is not anyone else's hoax to expose. Why would any of MJ's relatives state that MJ is alive? Does it make sense? This is his adventure. It's his fingers that need to be snapped. He is the one that needs to play with 'em a little bit. And then it is his BAM to throw down. And like someone recently posted, for the ones it pertains to, please get over yourselves. It is not about you. It is about MJ.
With all due respect, unless you are MJ himself, you cannot claim to know....as your words are rather strong. Last time I checked we all had the right to free speech and the liberty to analyze and freely discuss the stories at hand. Everyone has the right to come to a conclusion free of anyone elses "strong arming".
However, glad to hear you have an optimistic view of things......sounds like we pretty much all agree that MJ is alive!
Peace out!
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
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But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
Miss peppers you are up to something.. It could very well be.
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
8-)
But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
Miss peppers you are up to something.. It could very well be.
NO, this is NOT an explanation why Murray did not know the address. IF Murray given Propofol to MJ in hotel and in Carolwood, how come Kathy said she never seen drug related activities going on, or at least once she could see Murray in hotel, plus, IF Murray was going back and forth between hotel and Carolwood to give Propofol, he must have been known Carolwood address, at least a few times he perhaps drove himself or on taxi to Carolwood from bars, hotel, or anywhere he was going. So, he knew address. He was not constantly traveling with MJ to say he did not need to know address. Somehow he suppose to get to Carolwood for God sake and he had to know address to give to taxi or drive himself. So, there is a different reason for wierdness. Maybe he is complete idiot and maybe there is a murder, or hoax.
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I hope no one believes this woman. And for the ones to point out how they touched or rubbed their relatives, surely that is different than what Kathy proposes. And for the ones that say that maybe that is how they do it in Hollywood, get real. That is not how Mr. & Mrs. Jackson would do it, period!
MJ was not in a HOSPITAL ROOM DEAD OK? So why even go on and on? I wonder what some newbies think when reading some people's takes. They are truly being no help to this hoax. Why are you here if you believe this woman? And especially you Miss Peppers. You always have something negative to say, and you make sure you lean toward MJ being dead as a door knob as Gina calls him. Why not go to the Murder Theory forum then.
I hope some don't think they are helping by TRYING to play the so-called "devil's advocate." We don't need any of those around here, in my estimation. It truly does muddy up the waters, and again, I sincerely hope that you all don't think you are providing clues or helping anything along, because you are most certainly not. You're a waste of space in this HOAX if you ask me. You are putting out negative energy instead of positive, and on and on.
Granted, MJ doesn't mind it that we like TS mentioned try to point out WHY THIS IS A HOAX, hence the Sting vs Hoax court aspect, but that is just it. We should be here enlightening the newbies as Souza has so eloquently done on the initial Home Page and her Blog. And then some of you come here to try and dispell what she wrote. I don't think that is MJ's purpose for hoaxville. He wants up to prove why this is a hoax and why he is not dead by this point. It is really old news to be still trying to figure out if MJ is alive or not for us believers and knowers. We are suppose to be helping the ones that are new to the idea, not babysitting and trying to pacify the ones that should know better.
Kathy of course knows that MJ is alive. Many, many celebrities do in all of entertainment. They have been asked not to expose it outright. And, some signed confidentiality agreements. Plus, MJ is a POWER BROKER in the industry big time. He OWNS at least half of Sony Music Ent. and is probably a BIG CHIEF that the other half listens to in that company instead of the other way around. Sony Music knew who's side their bread was buttered on, and that is why they kicked out Motolla - and shook up the top. They respect MJ and his opinion to no end. They saw how savvy he was from the get go of their getting with him. They most likely felt - "how can we lose - with the stuff Michael Jackson uses." Word up!
Lastly, MJ has probably shook his head at many people at the beginning of this hoax. For some to think that he really took propofol and other drugs hurt his feelings. He was like "how can they think that of me?" Some prople were so quick to believe it, and some on here still do. I never believed it and as God is my witness. When I saw that nurse Cherylin - I knew she was lying. I've never believed that Michael was EVER a drug addict per se. Maybe he found himself taking too many precription drugs for pain at one time, but that was it.
I look at the positive in everything, but many like to believe the lying media and tabloids and they jump on believing the negative. I think MJ has and is separating people along these lines. The ones that had/have faith in him and the ones that had/have faith in what the media has to said in order to fabricate and lie about him. Some on here still believe some of the lies the media has told on MJ. There is where they've accumulated some of their so-called facts of belief about/against MJ. He said out of his own mouth that he didn't take drugs. He had his children and Diana to live for, so why would he need a doctor Murray that he sings about in the Moonwalker version of Smooth Criminal to sedate him?
And less we forget, MJ wrote the script/screenplay, et at - so HE/HIMSELF had to die of something. There has to be a story of how and why he "died." By this point though, it is a little tiring to see some that believe that asinine and made up story that Michael Jackson had to be fed a drug like propofol to fall asleep. There is even evidence to show that this entire scenario that they proposed had happened to him with this drug can't be accomplished the way they claim (script written), but still some believe it. It is almost like they want to believe it. They don't know Michael. They can't feel the real him. They don't believe in him and his heart, and they are all about giving off and out lower vibrations/negative energy and frequencies.
And by the way, what is Anthony Jackson suppose to say - "My cousin is very much alive." It is not his hoax to expose, just like it is not anyone else's hoax to expose. Why would any of MJ's relatives state that MJ is alive? Does it make sense? This is his adventure. It's his fingers that need to be snapped. He is the one that needs to play with 'em a little bit. And then it is his BAM to throw down. And like someone recently posted, for the ones it pertains to, please get over yourselves. It is not about you. It is about MJ.
Though I don't believe a word this woman says...
It would be helpful if you could give me a list of the people I CAN believe in this whole mess. It might make things loads easier for those of us who are still on the babysitting list. And though I may be a "waste of space" as you put it, I usually am not in the habit of advocating for the devil but I sure as heck WILL advocate for the TRUTH...no matter what that might be. And I'm positive about that, so your energy should be fine.
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From the best minds here after much deliberating and painstaked sifting through countless news articles and bits of details, we came to the conclusion that:
1. The ambulance photo was photoshopped in at least 2 layers put together of possibly real MJ or a dummy together with reflection photos to look like it was taken on June 25 by Ben Evanstead's assistant, but actually taken some days before.
2. It was possibly no body, a dummy, a fresh corpse, or possibly real live MJ that went in the ambulance to the UCLA on the 25th.
3. The person sitting up on the gurney being pushed by medics along with Murray just outside the hospital, may have been MJ, but the scenario may have been rigged and taken on another quieter day.
4. No doctor signed the death certificate, no staff or anyone from the hospital has ever said anything about seeing dead MJ there. Jermaine gave the official death announcement.
5. The body in the helicopter transfer to the coroner's moved, someone looking like MJ jumped out of the coroner's van, and the autopsy report itself was a complete and utter mess of inconsistencies.
5. On and on with other slip-ups and oddities galore, then the same with the memorial, funeral, resting place.
6. Adding that all together totals that Kathy is lying about at least the part where she answers that he was not alive.
The options could be:
a. She's following a script from MJ (all a lie or half-truths) with great theatrical skill. Her and her husband had their pic taken in their car at night as a hoax prop.
b. She went to the hospital, and together with the Jacksons in "the" room, visited and chatted while carrying out hoax orders, since there was no body.
c. She went to the hospital, was let into the room, and rubbed the body of a dummy-MJ, or (eaueee... pale/ some corpse) to fool the hospital staff, and put on a show of whispering funny things in its ear. :lol:
d. Can anyone think of other options? albino/
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Yep, I can.
Perhaps she was injected with her very own concoction of "happy cocktail" (like versed, fentanyl and propofol) and she
HALLUCINATED the entire event!!!!
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Good one! :lol:
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Im not sure what i mean... i suppose i was thinking that if MJ did not live at Carolwood, it could explain why Murray did not know the address.
My thinking was that maybe Murray did treat Michael beforehand, but just not at Carolwood.
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i am betting he was always driven to the house or where ever. if i remember correctly the car he left behind and they hauled off and search was supposed to have belonged to a sister.
could i just add one other comment. could we please keep this thread civil and not risk loosing it .
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I like how he says "Was he alive when you..." and she only shakes her head no. She doesn't say "No, he was not alive", just makes a gesture. And where are some tears in all of these close friends of his? I know some people just don't cry, maybe I'm just an emotional person when I lose someone I'm close to. I cry if someone dies that I don't even know!
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i am betting he was always driven to the house or where ever. if i remember correctly the car he left behind and they hauled off and search was supposed to have belonged to a sister.
Exactly. He had a car we was driving from and to the Carolwood himself. Of course he new the address!
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has anyone in any of these interviews ever been asked if they have met or encountered murray?
so paris hiltons (great grandfather ?) was first husband of elizabeth taylor , named conrad .
ever notice in this thing one thing always seems to link to another. why? whether or not it is intentional or coincendence ( ;) ) who knows. :?
Paris' youngest brother's name is Conrad as well :)
Just to add to this: Conrad Hilton is Richard Hilton's grandfather, and is the founder of Hilton hotels. The Conrad name is passed down by the generations as well, naming them after him. And Conrad Hilton, the Hilton hotel founder, is a very generous man too. Reminds me of Michael:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_N._Hilton_Humanitarian_Prize
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Okay, so the thing with her rubbing his feet is very strange. I was just watching the bio of Walt Disney on CNBC, and at the end, when his kids and grandchildren were discussing his death, one of them said they remember walking up the hallway of the hospital, and saw (I think it was Roy Disney) standing outside the hospital room, shocked. When they reached the room, they saw Walt Disney had already passed away. He was laying with his hands on his chest, peaceful looking. Roy was in the room, talking to him, telling little jokes and stories, and rubbing his feet. Huh?
I understand holding hands, touching his face, but here again, he was rubbing his feet.
It is not an explanation I got here, but some mystical extrapolation.
1) Some Chinese beliefs says that the spirit of a dead leaves the body by its feet. That's why Feng Shui says that you never place your bed in a way that would direct your feet to the door (of your room).
2) There is another belief saying that, back in the days, the embalmer would bite the toe of a dead, to make sure he is really dead. In french, we use to call them "Croque-Mort" (Dead Biter).
3) And don't we say: "six feet under" ?
What do we know of our world? Maybe there is a relation between Feet and Death. :mrgreen:
Maybe Kathy and Roy were just responding to their sixth sense! :idea: :?: :D
It seems that rubbing feet is a way to WAKE UP people according to Leonardo Da Vinci. He invented an alarm clock that rubs feet. May be Kathy had Leonardo's invention in mind :lol:
DA VINCI, Leonardo (1452-1519)
Leonardo da Vinci was born in the village of Vinci in Italy, the illegitimate son of a lawyer and a peasant woman named Caterina. His friends described him as the most beautiful man who ever lived.
One of da Vinci's less well-known inventions was an alarm clock that woke the sleeper by gently rubbing his feet.
On 21 August 1911, the Mona Lisa was stolen from the Louvre Museum in Paris and was not recovered for two years. While it was missing, more people turned up to stare at the empty space than had ever come to see the painting. In the two years the Mona Lisa was missing, six Americans are known to have paid $300,000 each to conmen supposedly selling the painting.
http://www.wakkipedia.com/detail?item=DA%20VINCI (http://www.wakkipedia.com/detail?item=DA%20VINCI)
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i am betting he was always driven to the house or where ever. if i remember correctly the car he left behind and they hauled off and search was supposed to have belonged to a sister.
Exactly. He had a car we was driving from and to the Carolwood himself. Of course he new the address!
i think if someone drives you someplace enought times you might be able to get there by landmarks and not know the address. we also haven't heard any more about this car situation. and it kind of makes you wonder what the details were if he wanted the body guards to take him back to the house yet when all was said and done the car got left behind. :? did any more details ever emerge about that particular set of circumstances? man at that point and time i was still on the michael dead side of this thing but to me it was another :shock: :? suspicious// moment to hear the dude disappeared and left his car.
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Amazing how angry people get when i suggest something they dont like.
Im not blind to the "hoax" - having tunnel vision and refusing to listen and discuss other possibilities is of no use to me. Im after the TRUTH.
It does not make sense to me why this Hilton lady should be immediately disbelieved.
And to the person who suggested i go elsewhere... how dare you tell me what to do?? This is a forum where we discuss things. I have been here for a very long time, searching for the truth. I am still searching for the truth.
It seems that whenever things get quiet, some get angry and start attacking other members here. I see what you are doing and im sorry if you dont like me or my views... but im not going anywhere. Deal with that!
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I think various areas need to be discussed here:
1. Where MJ was living in 2009 - and firm dates needed. Was he living in Carolwood or a hotel?
2. How long are they officially saying Murray was treating MJ for in the run up to June 25th
3. If Murray was treating him, then WHERE was he treating him? If it was elsewhere, then this could explain why Murray stated he didnt know the Carolwood address.
4. Kathy Hilton describes seeing MJs corpse, but doesnt describe what he looked like, only what she did. (rubbing feet, etc). I find that interesting. She also stated that MJ was not a drug addict and she saw no evidence of this in her friendship with him. I note most people are saying this about MJ - bar a karen faye and a couple of family members.
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This isnt about me being "negative". I need to find the truth about what has happened. I cant find the truth if i have a tunnel vision. The inconsistencies in the story led me to this forum. But i am not blind to the fact that MJ could be dead and that it could have been caused by numerous factors. People are lying and covering up.
If we want to find out the truth, then we have to ask hard questions about even our own beliefs. Lets not throw out possibilities before we investigate their worth. Good investigators look at all possibilities. And thats what i am doing... i am investigating.
And please... lets me kind and accepting of each other on this forum. We all have a right to be here, and we are all family. We are all here for a common purpose... because we love Michael and because we are trying to make sense of what has happened and we want to know the truth about June 25th 2009.
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I think various areas need to be discussed here:
1. Where MJ was living in 2009 - and firm dates needed. Was he living in Carolwood or a hotel?
2. How long are they officially saying Murray was treating MJ for in the run up to June 25th
3. If Murray was treating him, then WHERE was he treating him? If it was elsewhere, then this could explain why Murray stated he didnt know the Carolwood address.
4. Kathy Hilton describes seeing MJs corpse, but doesnt describe what he looked like, only what she did. (rubbing feet, etc). I find that interesting. She also stated that MJ was not a drug addict and she saw no evidence of this in her friendship with him. I note most people are saying this about MJ - bar a karen faye and a couple of family members.
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This isnt about me being "negative". I need to find the truth about what has happened. I cant find the truth if i have a tunnel vision. The inconsistencies in the story led me to this forum. But i am not blind to the fact that MJ could be dead and that it could have been caused by numerous factors. People are lying and covering up.
If we want to find out the truth, then we have to ask hard questions about even our own beliefs. Lets not throw out possibilities before we investigate their worth. Good investigators look at all possibilities. And thats what i am doing... i am investigating.
And please... lets me kind and accepting of each other on this forum. We all have a right to be here, and we are all family. We are all here for a common purpose... because we love Michael and because we are trying to make sense of what has happened and we want to know the truth about June 25th 2009.
gonna take a whach here but probably with more questions than answers.
1.is it possible that he even had other places he could have been? we keep hearing about this condo that is being offered up to the sister in law. we saw various properties in the dynasty program that didn't look very lived in. is it possible he was not there?
2. seems like i have heard anything from 2 weeks to six weeks.
3. not knowing the address could have just been pulled out of somebodies b*** cause they couldn't come up with anything else.
4. the whole idea that multiple person's were said to have looked at or touched specifically his leg area just is weird to me. ( kind of wonder if he could be paralized or something)
"people are lying and covering up" i don't see how anyone could disagree with you on that point.
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I think various areas need to be discussed here:
1. Where MJ was living in 2009 - and firm dates needed. Was he living in Carolwood or a hotel?
2. How long are they officially saying Murray was treating MJ for in the run up to June 25th
3. If Murray was treating him, then WHERE was he treating him? If it was elsewhere, then this could explain why Murray stated he didnt know the Carolwood address.
4. Kathy Hilton describes seeing MJs corpse, but doesnt describe what he looked like, only what she did. (rubbing feet, etc). I find that interesting. She also stated that MJ was not a drug addict and she saw no evidence of this in her friendship with him. I note most people are saying this about MJ - bar a karen faye and a couple of family members.
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This isnt about me being "negative". I need to find the truth about what has happened. I cant find the truth if i have a tunnel vision. The inconsistencies in the story led me to this forum. But i am not blind to the fact that MJ could be dead and that it could have been caused by numerous factors. People are lying and covering up.
If we want to find out the truth, then we have to ask hard questions about even our own beliefs. Lets not throw out possibilities before we investigate their worth. Good investigators look at all possibilities. And thats what i am doing... i am investigating.
And please... lets me kind and accepting of each other on this forum. We all have a right to be here, and we are all family. We are all here for a common purpose... because we love Michael and because we are trying to make sense of what has happened and we want to know the truth about June 25th 2009.
I agree with EVERYTHING you have said here, and have always liked reading your posts and hearing your input !!!!! beerchug
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http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/jacksons- ... esidence/3 (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/jacksons-last-place-of-residence/3)
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On July 2, 2009 in http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... hoto200907 (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2009/07/michael-jackson-photo200907) : Last fall, when Jackson moved into the Bel-Air Hotel, in Los Angeles...
http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/mj ... hedule.htm (http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/mj_2009_schedule.htm)
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I am confused about were Michael was living in 2009.....at the hotel perhaps ? This explains a lot.But then the call made to 911 was really from the hotel but they went to the house and took someone from there O_O Strange strange....And she said funny things to MJ is his ear , you say funny things to a dead person ? wow......
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Neverland110 wrote:Okay, so the thing with her rubbing his feet is very strange. I was just watching the bio of Walt Disney on CNBC, and at the end, when his kids and grandchildren were discussing his death, one of them said they remember walking up the hallway of the hospital, and saw (I think it was Roy Disney) standing outside the hospital room, shocked. When they reached the room, they saw Walt Disney had already passed away. He was laying with his hands on his chest, peaceful looking. Roy was in the room, talking to him, telling little jokes and stories, and rubbing his feet. Huh? I understand holding hands, touching his face, but here again, he was rubbing his feet.
I really think you're on to something! Could there be dots to connect? The life of Walt Disney is talked of with the same love and passion in many ways as for Michael. Could MJ be connecting dots to WD's death and his "death".
Watch at 7:44 for this story you mentioned.
[youtube:35d6uytp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a39z3JDiXE[/youtube:35d6uytp]
http://www.studentdebtsrelief.com/FreeD ... isney.html (http://www.studentdebtsrelief.com/FreeDebtRelief/news/Roy-E.-Disney.html)
Walt Disney World anniversaries through the years
SILive.com (blog)
The kickoff ceremonies for the 25th anniversary in the Magic Kingdom featured speeches by Roy E. Disney, then-CEO Michael Eisner and then-first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, as well as a thundering flyover by US military jets. A parade called "Remember ...
Published on Friday 3rd of June 2011 05:35:40 AM
We all know the strong connection to Disney that MJ had with Captian EO, and the special guest MJ was at Disneyland so many times. http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http ... 0QHvr6TGAQ (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.disneydreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Michael-Jackson-Captain-EO.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.disneydreaming.com/2010/07/01/captain-eo-returns-to-walt-disney-worlds-epcot-theme-park/&usg=__aLTe1ui4CmZ6W83VEP7KC5PDf_w=&h=812&w=525&sz=306&hl=en&start=6&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=E_2jDK6BBtUZpM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=93&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bjackson,%2Bwalt%2Bdisney%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D851%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&ei=KUfrTbPsPMHc0QHvr6TGAQ)
Could things be happening behind the scenes connected to the whole movie industry, entertainment world?
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well, and then as a concur version of Murray that gave propofol to Michael every night during the 2 months prior to his "death"?
8-)
But how do we know WHERE Murray was administering the Propofol?
Has it specifically been said anywhere Murray was administering for two months at Carolwood? Or would it be possible Murray was going to this hotel during this time period?
SUDDEN THOUGHT: Could this be why Murray didnt know the address?? Remember this was said as the reason he didnt call 911 himself?? OMG. This could explain that wierdness.
Im bumping my comment because i really think ive hit on something here. I hope someone discusses this with me. This really could explain why Dr Murray said he didnt know the address.
Was there ever any dates given as to when MJ was supposed to have moved into Carolwood?
I read somewhere awhile back that he moved there (Carolwood) in December 2008 and he signed a one year lease -- now why would he sign a one year lease if he was going to London in 7 months? Again, I go back to my theory that Carolwood was just used as a staging area for his "death".
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July 2nd, 2009 4:50pm EDT 14 comments Add to My News Michael Jackson's close friend, and former owner of the LA mansion that he was renting, has released a new family photo of Michael Jackson and his kids.
International real estate developer and close friend of Michael Jackson, Mohamed Hadid, spent some of Jackson's last days with him, and, is now speaking out about Jackson's health and state of mind during the last few weeks before his untimely death.
"Michael and his kids were just over for dinner three weeks ago," Hadid said in statement. "Our families got together regularly as our kids are about the same age, and we even spent last Thanksgiving together. He was healthy and strong and very excited about starting his new tour in London. His death comes as a complete shock to us. There was no indication whatsoever that he might not be healthy. He was an extremely kind and generous person and will be missed, but my family and kids will continue to be there for his children and family during this difficult time and beyond."
Michael Jackson's rented Carolwood home in Holmby Hills is located in the Westwood district of Los Angeles, Calif. and was designed and built by Hadid Development and Mohamed Hadid. The 22,000-square-foot mansion is located on one and one-half acres of land, is valued at $40 million, and is where Jackson spent his last days with his three children. Hadid and his family had previously lived in the mansion, which he built in 1999, for three years before selling it to a private investor. Jackson was leasing it for $100,000 a month from the investor, who purchased the property from Hadid in 2004.
In this handout provided by Mohamed Hadid, Michael Jackson poses with real estate developer Mohamed Hadid, Hadid's children and Jackson's children Michael Joseph Jr. (far left), Paris Michael Katherine (center) and "Blanket" Prince Michael II (front center) on November 27, 2008 at the Jackson Holmby Hills residence in Westwood, California. Image courtesy Mohamed Hadid
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php ... _with_his_ (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/07/02/new_picture_of_michael_jackson_with_his_)
This article shows that he was in the house in November 2008 which is around the same time that Neverland was re-financed etc.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/12/neverland ... -to-vegas/ (http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/12/neverland-may-be-jackos-ticket-to-vegas/)
That was TMZ's article regarding the re-financing of Neverland.
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So this Mohamed Hadid may be helping with aspects of the hoax if they were indeed close, and he built the house. If he knew MJ was so healthy and looking forward to the tour, wouldn't he be suspicious of murder or suspect something was wrong. Kathy also doesn't mention foul play or murder. I had seen that pic before and didn't know it's significance.
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I've had a strange thought running through my head with regards to this story of Kathy Hilton rubbing his feet.
Way back in early 2010, our own beloved hesoutamylife wrote these words in a thread about The Greatest Show On Earth. A TMZ article.
She said in one post she wanted to work for MJ taking care of his dancer's feet and hands...massage and rub them all day and night.
I know it may be farfetched, but could we be perhaps influencing some of these more bizaar stories? I can picture in my mind Mike and associates reading some of the stuff on this board and going..oh, that's great..write that in somewhere.
Anyhow, that's my bit of madness for the night.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=4008&p=69872&hilit=massage+his+feet#p69872
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Neverland110 wrote:Okay, so the thing with her rubbing his feet is very strange. I was just watching the bio of Walt Disney on CNBC, and at the end, when his kids and grandchildren were discussing his death, one of them said they remember walking up the hallway of the hospital, and saw (I think it was Roy Disney) standing outside the hospital room, shocked. When they reached the room, they saw Walt Disney had already passed away. He was laying with his hands on his chest, peaceful looking. Roy was in the room, talking to him, telling little jokes and stories, and rubbing his feet. Huh? I understand holding hands, touching his face, but here again, he was rubbing his feet.
I really think you're on to something! Could there be dots to connect? The life of Walt Disney is talked of with the same love and passion in many ways as for Michael. Could MJ be connecting dots to WD's death and his "death".
Watch at 7:44 for this story you mentioned.
[youtube:1ioif1ce]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a39z3JDiXE[/youtube:1ioif1ce]
http://www.studentdebtsrelief.com/FreeD ... isney.html (http://www.studentdebtsrelief.com/FreeDebtRelief/news/Roy-E.-Disney.html)
Walt Disney World anniversaries through the years
SILive.com (blog)
The kickoff ceremonies for the 25th anniversary in the Magic Kingdom featured speeches by Roy E. Disney, then-CEO Michael Eisner and then-first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, as well as a thundering flyover by US military jets. A parade called "Remember ...
Published on Friday 3rd of June 2011 05:35:40 AM
We all know the strong connection to Disney that MJ had with Captian EO, and the special guest MJ was at Disneyland so many times. http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http ... 0QHvr6TGAQ (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.disneydreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Michael-Jackson-Captain-EO.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.disneydreaming.com/2010/07/01/captain-eo-returns-to-walt-disney-worlds-epcot-theme-park/&usg=__aLTe1ui4CmZ6W83VEP7KC5PDf_w=&h=812&w=525&sz=306&hl=en&start=6&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=E_2jDK6BBtUZpM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=93&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bjackson,%2Bwalt%2Bdisney%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D851%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&ei=KUfrTbPsPMHc0QHvr6TGAQ)
Could things be happening behind the scenes connected to the whole movie industry, entertainment world?
Ooooh.... :shock: Interesting! I would loooooooooooooooooooove that! michael-jackson/
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I've had a strange thought running through my head with regards to this story of Kathy Hilton rubbing his feet.
Way back in early 2010, our own beloved hesoutamylife wrote these words in a thread about The Greatest Show On Earth. A TMZ article.
She said in one post she wanted to work for MJ taking care of his dancer's feet and hands...massage and rub them all day and night.
I know it may be farfetched, but could we be perhaps influencing some of these more bizaar stories? I can picture in my mind Mike and associates reading some of the stuff on this board and going..oh, that's great..write that in somewhere.
Anyhow, that's my bit of madness for the night.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=4008&p=69872&hilit=massage+his+feet#p69872
:lol: Nice... beerchug
If it is true, they are having a whole lot of fun behind our back!
Why don't we directly talk to them, then? :mrgreen:
Hey Michael (or who ever is working for him) if it is true that you are alive, let us know:
I want Teddy Riley to wear a purple shirt with the green 1up mushroom of Nintendo (a spare life ;) ).
And I want him to say ''Bazinga!'' in a song, an interview or a random video for Michael's fans!
(''Bazinga'' is the word you say when you want people to know you just tricked them 8-) . It is a game created by Sheldon of the Big Bang Theory TV series. Oh! And thinking about it, it would link us to the song Dom Sheldon! Woohoo! I'm creating links that doesn't even exist yet!)
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase, do it, Mike! :) You can't see me, but I'm doing my puss'n'boots eyes. (http://www.wedothemovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/puss-n-boots.jpg) lolol/
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This thing writes itself.hehe afraid/ beerchug geek/
I know TMZ pilfer our ideas. absolutely and for sure.
We had this thread going about the benefits of marijuana in comparison to prescription drugs and low and behold...TMZ comes up with a dope story and strain of it they called ....get this...orange punch.
I'll have to go look for that thread . after I get home from work.
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I hope no one believes this woman. And for the ones to point out how they touched or rubbed their relatives, surely that is different than what Kathy proposes. And for the ones that say that maybe that is how they do it in Hollywood, get real. That is not how Mr. & Mrs. Jackson would do it, period!
We are trying to see all the possibilities. One possibility could be that the Hiltons doesn't know MJ is alive!
They saw a dead body and they tought that was MJ, but it wasn't.
And if you want me to get real... well I think that rubbing dead people is a common and normal thing. For myself, for my family and as I can see, it's also a natural behavior for some people on that forum. It is also something we can see a lot in movies. So is it really a clue, just because some people think it's weird?
I think it is a clue because this whole thing about 'rubbing' means that she simply wants us to believe he's dead!
You know, kind of: ''I assure you he's dead because I slowly took my time to touched his dead body!'' It is always more convincing when you talk about concrete, material... touching!
But in a way or an other: touch, rub, caress or kiss a dead body is NOT a weird thing! It is just natural!
You know... just making sure... geek/
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This thing writes itself.hehe afraid/ beerchug geek/
I know TMZ pilfer our ideas. absolutely and for sure.
We had this thread going about the benefits of marijuana in comparison to prescription drugs and low and behold...TMZ comes up with a dope story and strain of it they called ....get this...orange punch.
I'll have to go look for that thread . after I get home from work.
Maybe it is because I'm new or because I'm french (or both), but I don't get this ''orange punch'' thing.
I'm sure I'll be amazed when I'll understand, tho! fresse/
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I've had a strange thought running through my head with regards to this story of Kathy Hilton rubbing his feet.
Way back in early 2010, our own beloved hesoutamylife wrote these words in a thread about The Greatest Show On Earth. A TMZ article.
She said in one post she wanted to work for MJ taking care of his dancer's feet and hands...massage and rub them all day and night.
I know it may be farfetched, but could we be perhaps influencing some of these more bizaar stories? I can picture in my mind Mike and associates reading some of the stuff on this board and going..oh, that's great..write that in somewhere.
Anyhow, that's my bit of madness for the night.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=4008&p=69872&hilit=massage+his+feet#p69872
:lol: Nice... beerchug
If it is true, they are having a whole lot of fun behind our back!
Why don't we directly talk to them, then? :mrgreen:
Hey Michael (or who ever is working for him) if it is true that you are alive, let us know:
I want Teddy Riley to wear a purple shirt with the green 1up mushroom of Nintendo (a spare life ;) ).
And I want him to say ''Bazinga!'' in a song, an interview or a random video for Michael's fans!
(''Bazinga'' is the word you say when you want people to know you just tricked them 8-) . It is a game created by Sheldon of the Big Bang Theory TV series. Oh! And thinking about it, it would link us to the song Dom Sheldon! Woohoo! I'm creating links that doesn't even exist yet!)
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase, do it, Mike! :) You can't see me, but I'm doing my puss'n'boots eyes. (http://www.wedothemovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/puss-n-boots.jpg) lolol/
Good idea! I'll keep my eyes and ears open. And this is supposed to be an interactive ARG.
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This thing writes itself.hehe afraid/ beerchug geek/
I know TMZ pilfer our ideas. absolutely and for sure.
We had this thread going about the benefits of marijuana in comparison to prescription drugs and low and behold...TMZ comes up with a dope story and strain of it they called ....get this...orange punch.
I'll have to go look for that thread . after I get home from work.
Maybe it is because I'm new or because I'm french (or both), but I don't get this ''orange punch'' thing.
I'm sure I'll be amazed when I'll understand, tho! fresse/
I mean, is it an expression you used and then he took it from you?
@mjonmind: what is an ARG?
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Okay, the orange strain was a reference to this site. See how orange is the colour theme of this site? Like they were saying we pack a giant punch and they get a kick out of us.
And here's the links to the thread. Our Mike and marijuana thread was first and then soon after TMZ did their dope story.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=14048&p=235947&hilit=marijuana#p235947
An ARG is an alternate reality game. It's interactive.
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Sorry...forgot the TMZ article
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=15175&p=253160&hilit=orange+punch#p253160
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Ah, I can see clearly now! (... the rain is gone.)
And do you think they are STILL taking ideas from here?
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Not lately...no.
Harvey, you still watching?
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I hope no one believes this woman. And for the ones to point out how they touched or rubbed their relatives, surely that is different than what Kathy proposes. And for the ones that say that maybe that is how they do it in Hollywood, get real. That is not how Mr. & Mrs. Jackson would do it, period!
MJ was not in a HOSPITAL ROOM DEAD OK? So why even go on and on? I wonder what some newbies think when reading some people's takes. They are truly being no help to this hoax. Why are you here if you believe this woman? And especially you Miss Peppers. You always have something negative to say, and you make sure you lean toward MJ being dead as a door knob as Gina calls him. Why not go to the Murder Theory forum then.
I hope some don't think they are helping by TRYING to play the so-called "devil's advocate." We don't need any of those around here, in my estimation. It truly does muddy up the waters, and again, I sincerely hope that you all don't think you are providing clues or helping anything along, because you are most certainly not. You're a waste of space in this HOAX if you ask me. You are putting out negative energy instead of positive, and on and on.
Granted, MJ doesn't mind it that we like TS mentioned try to point out WHY THIS IS A HOAX, hence the Sting vs Hoax court aspect, but that is just it. We should be here enlightening the newbies as Souza has so eloquently done on the initial Home Page and her Blog. And then some of you come here to try and dispell what she wrote. I don't think that is MJ's purpose for hoaxville. He wants up to prove why this is a hoax and why he is not dead by this point. It is really old news to be still trying to figure out if MJ is alive or not for us believers and knowers. We are suppose to be helping the ones that are new to the idea, not babysitting and trying to pacify the ones that should know better.
Kathy of course knows that MJ is alive. Many, many celebrities do in all of entertainment. They have been asked not to expose it outright. And, some signed confidentiality agreements. Plus, MJ is a POWER BROKER in the industry big time. He OWNS at least half of Sony Music Ent. and is probably a BIG CHIEF that the other half listens to in that company instead of the other way around. Sony Music knew who's side their bread was buttered on, and that is why they kicked out Motolla - and shook up the top. They respect MJ and his opinion to no end. They saw how savvy he was from the get go of their getting with him. They most likely felt - "how can we lose - with the stuff Michael Jackson uses." Word up!
Lastly, MJ has probably shook his head at many people at the beginning of this hoax. For some to think that he really took propofol and other drugs hurt his feelings. He was like "how can they think that of me?" Some prople were so quick to believe it, and some on here still do. I never believed it and as God is my witness. When I saw that nurse Cherylin - I knew she was lying. I've never believed that Michael was EVER a drug addict per se. Maybe he found himself taking too many precription drugs for pain at one time, but that was it.
I look at the positive in everything, but many like to believe the lying media and tabloids and they jump on believing the negative. I think MJ has and is separating people along these lines. The ones that had/have faith in him and the ones that had/have faith in what the media has to said in order to fabricate and lie about him. Some on here still believe some of the lies the media has told on MJ. There is where they've accumulated some of their so-called facts of belief about/against MJ. He said out of his own mouth that he didn't take drugs. He had his children and Diana to live for, so why would he need a doctor Murray that he sings about in the Moonwalker version of Smooth Criminal to sedate him?
And less we forget, MJ wrote the script/screenplay, et at - so HE/HIMSELF had to die of something. There has to be a story of how and why he "died." By this point though, it is a little tiring to see some that believe that asinine and made up story that Michael Jackson had to be fed a drug like propofol to fall asleep. There is even evidence to show that this entire scenario that they proposed had happened to him with this drug can't be accomplished the way they claim (script written), but still some believe it. It is almost like they want to believe it. They don't know Michael. They can't feel the real him. They don't believe in him and his heart, and they are all about giving off and out lower vibrations/negative energy and frequencies.
And by the way, what is Anthony Jackson suppose to say - "My cousin is very much alive." It is not his hoax to expose, just like it is not anyone else's hoax to expose. Why would any of MJ's relatives state that MJ is alive? Does it make sense? This is his adventure. It's his fingers that need to be snapped. He is the one that needs to play with 'em a little bit. And then it is his BAM to throw down. And like someone recently posted, for the ones it pertains to, please get over yourselves. It is not about you. It is about MJ.
How can you make a good Hoax if its all simple. there must be ups and downs got to keep everyone on there toes
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