Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => MJDHI Announcements => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on May 25, 2011, 05:31:59 PM
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Again there is discussion about my decisions as an admin. People complaining about bans or warnings I give, so I think it's time to explain to everyone why I do what I do and why I am not the 'lovely and nice admin' some people want me to be.
I have said a while ago that this is my house and that everyone on here is a guest in my house. People attacked me for that, but clearly never really got what I meant. When I say that, I mean that when one of my guests can't behave and 'spit on my carpet', I have the right to show that particular guest the door. But I also have the responsibility to make sure that my other guests, who do behave and are here to discuss and investigate like me, are having a good time and most of all: that they can safely visit this site.
Let me give you another example, maybe that will make it more clear. I said example, so do not take it all to literaly. I am the mother of bec (not for real of course, but bear with me). bec is throwing a birthday party and is inviting all her friends (you) to my house (this forum). Your parents trust me with you, but they do expect me to be protective of you and bring you all back home safe and sound. That includes sending that one bully back home early that is beating the other kids, or telling them weird stories that might affect them in a negative way.
I know most people on here are adults, but there are many minors on here as well. Even though they might think they know it all (like I did when I was 14), they don't and they are vulnerable for internet predators. As the admin of this site, I have the responsibility to keep this forum as safe as can be (although it will never be 100% safe) for those minors, and even some adults on here. I know from some minors that their parents don't even know they hang out here or in the chatroom, and although I think that the first responsibility lies with the parents who should monitor their kids visiting the internet, I also know that the reality is that that doesn't always happen. That doesn't mean that it stops there, because I am here as well, and I think a lot of parents will be gratefull that someone at least TRIES to keep their kids safe when they are not around to keep an eye themselves. Besides that, I have read many stories about internet crimes and sex-predators and I will never forgive myself if someone got hurt in whatever way 'on my watch'. I know that it doesn't make me the most popular person here, but that's not why I am here, my goal is not to gather a following and have everyone love me, I have a private life with friends and family that love me so I don't need 5,000 hoax members to adore me. Does that mean I don't give a shit? No, because if I wouldn't give a shit, I would let this forum become a circus full of trolls.
Then there is the discussion that I ban 'nice people' who 'don't claim to be anyone'. That is where my 'job' gets 'tricky'. Do I always make the right decision, or do I ban someone on occasion who really didn't mean any harm? That's possible, but I rather have one person too many banned, than one too few. It only takes one crazy person to cause irreversible damage.
Then there are people who are afraid I might ban MJ himself. First of all, if he really visits this site often, he must know how I think about trolls and people stirring up things, or claiming stuff without back-up. So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not. That said, I really doubt he would come here being all obvious about him being MJ, or posting poems and say "God bless you and I love you more". If you are looking for insiders and informers, don't search for flowers and hearts, but search for information and knowledge. He could be anyone on here and most likely those you would never suspect. Having real discussions with people not knowing who he is seems way more fun for him than having fans kissing his ass just because they think he is MJ, don't you think?
Now why are people posing as MJ, or making you think he is MJ without admitting it (or by strongly denying it, which is another tactic)? Only God knows. Some are just bored, others have serious mental issues, some might just wanna prank, some might be lonely and seeking for the attention they miss in real life, etc. etc. Some might be harmless, others are plain dangerous.
I wanna share an old post from MJKIT by annieisnotokey from November 2009 as a reminder, or for people who never read it, as a warning. Here is an excerpt:
THERE IS FAKE MICHAEL JACKSON PLAYING WITH OUR MINDS AND EMOTIONS. There is at least one (if not more) very skilled con artist that knows exactly how to manipulate members into thinking they are talking to Michael Jackson. This person is a liar & a fake. He is NOT Michael Jackson, no matter how convinced you are he is.
I’m pretty sure that at least one person who will read this post is chatting with him right now and is going to hate me for posting this. If you are the one who thinks you are talking to Michael, please take a HUGE step back, rethink the whole situation, analyze it with a cool mind and ask yourself if the way this guy makes you feel (anguished, paranoid, upset, stressed out) is really the way the REAL Michael Jackson would want his fans to feel…
If you have ANY doubts, even the slightest one, talk to somebody you trust. A friend who doesn’t believe too much in the hoax (therefore, will keep a more objective look on the whole thing) or a family member. If you have no one to talk to, ask me. I won’t judge, I won’t divulge your secrets. I will help you understand why this person is NOT who he claims to be.
For those who are lucky enough to have not encountered this guy (yet), let me describe you his m.o. (modus operandi). Why am I doing this instead of exposing his screen name? Because as soon as we (more on who is the WE later) blew his cover, he closed his accounts. But I’m willing to bet my house that he’s already at it, with a new member name, a new email account or a new twitter account. Screen names can change. Even real names can change. But m.o.’s rarely vary. Even serial killers are caught by the subtleties of their modus operandi.
If you are still here with me, please read this carefully. It can save you from a lot of heartache and pain & maybe even from something much worse.
1) The first thing this guy does is get your attention. Remember, he’s smooth. He’s not going to open an account called “ImightbeMJ” and type “Shamone Shamone” every other sentence. He’s going to delicately get your attention. A few mysterious tweets, a false slip up, sharing some information that’s hard to know or a very rare photo.
:!: HE CAUGHT YOUR ATTENTION
2) Once he has your attention, he’s going to start sharing information with you. In phase two, you’ll find yourself flooded with information, shared in a private manner (dms, pms, private chat, email, etc). Although every single piece of information this person is sharing with you can be found on the net if you take your time to do your research properly, you’ll be so overwhelmed with so much info in such a short time, that you will begin to wonder “How does this person know all this…?”. When you ask why he is sharing this with you, he will tell you that he somehow trusts you. That you are sweet, that he enjoyed reading your posts, that your avatar picture is beautiful. Anything that will make you feel warm and fuzzy.
:!: HE GAINED YOUR TRUST
3) Now you are interested, you trust this person out of loyalty (if he trusted me & I HAVE to trust him) and you are VERY curious. Let’s face it, we all want to know about MJ. Is he alive? Is he ok? Is he hiding? Where is he? Will I be the one who finds him? If I find him, will he fall in love with me & marry me & have beautiful mini MJs with me? (ok, ok, I went too far , but you get the idea). As your curiosity and loyalty get the best of you, he starts finding out about you. How trusting you are, who your friends are, if you tend to share information or keep it to yourself, etc.
:!: HE’S SIZING YOU UP
4) Once he makes sure he can trust you (which in reality means that you are vulnerable enough to let him play with your head), he starts hinting that he might be MJ. Subtly, nothing off the wall. Nothing that will make you say: “WOW this guy is such a faker”. You will probably start thinking that he is MJ and doesn’t want to say but somehow he really likes you and hates lying to you, so he’s hinting it, but not saying. You do all the work for him. You fool yourself and you can’t think rationally anymore. There’s no way in hell you will jeopardize this connection! You will play by his rules because you don’t want to loose your apparent friendship with The King of Pop.
:!: YOU UNKNOWINGLY TOOK HIS BAIT
5) It will come a moment in time that if you don’t flat out ask if he is MJ, he will tell you. And you will flip. You will NOT think straight anymore. You will NOT ask for proof (even if you do, he will deflect). You are flooded with emotions & he knows it. You are in a fog and without realizing it, you are at your most vulnerable time.
:!: THE SICK GAME BEGINS
6) Pretending to be MJ, he will play with your head big time! The first thing that he will do is make you paranoid about your friends. He will make you think that your friends will betray you, that your friends are out to get him (as MJ) to cash a reward, that your friends don’t really love MJ, etc. In reality, this has NOTHING to do with MJ. He wants you to cut all ties with anybody who might open your eyes or find inconsistencies. As you are blinded by your emotions, you will only listen to him.
He will continue to provide information or tell you this is all a reality show or that the numbers are the answers. Anything he gives you comes from internet research or theories posted in the forums, but you are too confused to realize that now.
When you ask him for solid proof (if you dare) he won’t refuse, but deflect. Maybe tomorrow, he still not sure if he can trust you, he suddenly has a phone call or an urgent meeting. If you get particularly insistent he will disappear for a couple of days (enough time to make you freak out & trick yourself into believing that you’d rather blindly trust him than loose him forever). He is a MASTER MANIPULATOR & you are HIS PUPPET.
:!: YOU ARE LOST & IF YOU DON’T GET HELP BY NOW THERE’S NO TELLING HOW AND WHEN THE GAME ENDS.
Am I intentionally trying to scare you? YES. BIG TIME YES. And I hope you are, because fear prevents us from doing stupid things.
Why am I telling you all this? Because one of my dearest friends has just been through this situation. I will not post her name out of respect. I’m sure that eventually, once the hurt and anger goes away, she will add a post to this thread and tell you about all the pain this person caused her.
Thankfully, our friendship & trust in each other was stronger than this guy’s manipulative skills (but just by the thinnest of hairs). It took hours chatting, getting offline to cool off & going back online, refined research & knowledge to figure out that he was lying. My friend was his victim but he almost had me going too. Nobody (and I mean NOBODY) is exempt from being fooled by this manipulator. The only way to stop this guy is by collaborative effort. We won because we compared notes. We won because real L.O.V.E. is stronger than any LIE.
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Internet Dangers for Children and Teenagers
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Exposure to Inappropriate Content
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Crime Related Dangers
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Sex Related Dangers
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Politically Related Dangers
Extreme groups or organizations could use children surfing the Internet as a means of achieving nationalistic goals. As in the case of the late Ofir Rahum.
Love on the Internet
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Intimidation, Annoying and Harassment
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I hope that after reading all the above, you will now understand more why I make certain decisions. Mostly I get intel on certain suspicious members before they get a ban, but I will do the same when it's just my gut feeling that tells me something is not right. Like I said, that might make me unpopular, but this is not a popularity contest, safety for all.
And because I know certain members will bring it up, I will be one step ahead: TS is allowed here because he is in no way a threat to the members. He is not socializing with members in PM, he is not gathering a following by posting poems (in fact, he lost a lot of followers by posting good and valuable information), he is not claiming to be anyone, he is not asking members for phone numbers and (email) addresses and last but not least: my gut tells me he is a good person, aside of all the valuable information he has been giving. So that's your reason, if you wanted to know.
All the above, plus being the admin of this website and forum, gives me the right and duty to:
Ban people that act suspicious, even if members might think he or she is the nicest person on earth.
Disable private messaging for members that I think are suspicious.
Give warnings in public about members when I think it's justified, even if other members think it's not.
Warn members that will attack me in public for making certain decisions and delete threads about those issues.
Ban members that don't agree with my decisions and will keep attacking me publically even though warned (mostly these kinds of bans are not permanent).
Delete threads of which I think they have as a goal to manipulate people and/or stir things up.
Ban minors for their own safety that will keep looking up trolls.
Deactivate second accounts from the same person.*
* There are exceptions. TS for instance probably has his reasons for a second account and asked me in PM if I wanted to activate it, besides that, it's clear to anyone that it's the same person, there is no mystery around it and some other members have had cyber stalkers on their first account, and asked me if they could make a new one.
You can agree or disagree with the above, but it is as it is. May this also be a guideline for people that will join here so they know that if they behave in a certain way, they might get a ban, whether the ban is justified or not. I don't just ban everyone that disagrees (some maybe for a few days if I REALLY think they need to cool down a little) and I think PureLove and Gema are the living proof of that. Debates, disagreements and discussions are not a reason for a ban, disrespect, ridicule, hate and trolling are. I am a little annoyed by the comments from people on here who say I always just ban everyone. When I do I have my reasons and I don't feel the need to explain them all to the members. Sometimes because it's simply none of anyone's business, sometimes because it will only make things worse. To stay safe on here, take he following advise:
Do not give anyone your personal info. That includes your real name.
Do not tell anyone on here too much about your private life, cyber criminals are very smart when it comes to figuring out who you are and where you live, for many reasons.
Do not start a 'relationship' on here with another member because as nice as they might seem, you NEVER know who is behind that screen.
Never accept video calls from anyone, even if they make you think you will see MJ on your screen. Besides certain things you really don't want to see, they will want to see you too and with many programs they do see you too automatically and before you know it your head is photoshopped on a naked body and spread all over the internet.
If you see comments, posts on the forum, or if you receive pm's of members that are suspicious in whatever way, notify me immediately. You can always pm me or mail me at souza([member=15679][/member])michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com or contact me on Skype (souza...81). Mostly when I am online, one of these will be online or checked. Save certain inappropriate emails, screenshot other things because otherwise they can't be reported. I can always be contacted for questions or forum issues too on one of those accounts.
One other issue I wanted to address it the fact that a lot of people disagree with me voicing my opinions about certain things, or debates I have on the forum, just because I am an admin. Let me tell you that I am first and foremost also just a member and I never expected that this forum would become the biggest one about the hoax. I did not wake up one day and thought 'I wanna run a forum about the MJ hoax and I want to bitch around the members just because it makes me feel good'. In fact, being an admin of this forum is not that fun at all, but I started it, so I will maintain and finish it. Having to play bad cop that often is not something I like, it's something I find necessary. But I am like everyone else and I want to discuss, debate and investigate like anyone else, admin or not. Same goes for the mods. We are all just human beings with our own opinions. Some suggested that I should make an extra account named 'Admin' and make the Souza account just a member. I won't do that because I know what that did on the original MJHD.com. Rumors will go fly around that someone else than me is running the site and stuff like that, which will only make things worse. Besides that, I want to keep it 'personal', I want people to know who they are contacting when they have issues, and an 'Admin' account might scare people off.
Lastly a note: I don't want any bash comments/threads anymore. Not about Joe, not about Jermaine, not about Karen Faye or anyone else. You can give your opinion, say you don't like a certain person while backing up why, but keep it respectful. When I see a comment that crosses a line, I will delete it without warning.
I hope that I have explained clear enough now why I do what I do and why I make certain decisions. If not, then this forum might not be the right place for you.
Main advise: Be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep and stay anonymous, never get personal.
Happy hoaxing.
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You have all my support on this matter.
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Absolutely. I agree completely with Souza. And I hope this means TR will be kicked out.
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I totally agree with you Souza, thank you for posting this. This has nothing to do with TR but it's great information and we all need to be aware of these horrible internet predators. I know TR, as do other people, and know for a fact that he is not one of them. People who don't know him should not jump to conclusions, but I DO understand your reason for concern. Thanks again. Peace to you all.
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(^^heads up)
Awesome Souza. Just awesome bow/ Fuck the haters. They can go somewhere else.
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I think it's quite obvious who Souza was implying in a lot of what she said. Someone who "writes poems and says god bless you all" non-stop?
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An admin can be any person who has a domain, a hosting and a phpbb forum. This is not Michael Jackson official forum. So the admin doesn't have to justify their actions , they can lock all threads, delete all accounts ,deactivate all accounts , ban all accounts, delete all threads and delete all forum if they like. Don't feel guilty for the chidren, Souza, if you open a browser much more horrible things than here happen.
Thank you for being impartial, it must be hard.
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I think it's quite obvious who Souza was implying in a lot of what she said. Someone who "writes poems and says god bless you all" non-stop?
If you had ANY idea what it takes to write poetry....how deep one has to go inside to feel... to reach and be connected with the raw emotion....and then to transform that as truthfully as possible into words that express that energy....you would not be full of accusations as you are....
Poems are written from intense emotional feeling, and move the reader, make them feel the pain, the joy, the anger...whatever the emotion is....
Here's a poem that I have posted on this forum before. It has a similar theme to what MJ has been through in his life. I am sure there are other people who have also been through this experience. I wrote this as a prayer when I was feeling the pain of being falsely accused.
Copyright 2010
ACCUSED
You know my heart, You know my pain
Without You in my life, I know there is nothing to gain
Many have accused me of things that were not true
I had no one else, but I always had You
I walked alone
From dusk till dawn
With bleeding feet and empty hands
A heart so heavy but I continued to make a stand
Sitting in the darkness, wading through the mud
I kept my sights on the heavens above
Standing alone being accused
Until in my mind I became confused
I have looked to You for my release
This endless torment has to cease
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Here is another on a similar theme and apt for now:
Copyright 2010
WHEN
When there is so much pain all around
And I am being pulled and pushed to the ground
My tears do fall
And unto You I call
Falling at Your feet
Weeping I come
Like Mary Magdalene as one
With trembling hands I reach
Will You take my soul to keep?
And this broken heart to mend?
Keep me here with you, do not send
I don't want to go there
Where no one seems to care
A world full of violence
Where lies make no sense
And cleverness pays dividends
Where minds don't grasp the truth
They need you to give them proof
It happens time and time again
I pray You say to me "this is the end"
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When one believes that the person you are communicating with is michael jackson and you will not even for a moment entertain the possibility that you might just be the person being SCAMMED you have to wonder what is so missing in ones life. You say you know TR and unless you have met her you do not know anyone. You have simply exchanged words and thoughts because again all the information is about michael jackson. There is much to be hidden behind a computer screen. Dont you get what Souza is trying to tell everyone, most specifically YOU. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE THE ONE AND ONLY, YOU ARE NOT! Just how long would you be willing to partake in the charade before you give up the ghost?
Today someone pointed out to me that PIM is TR and TR is also many many other screen names as well. When you get some time search Poetryinmotion on this site and let us all know if it sounds familiar. Then check the dates.Or maybe because you "know" TR this will come as no surprise to you. She is very consistent with her writing.
Just stop defending the indefensible.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. None whatsoever.
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What is this hidden agenda you keep referring to?
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There are truths that the mind cannot grasp. I fear you lack the ability to "see" beyond cold logic.
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Stop. I fear you need an in-depth psychological examination. Think logically and do not allow yourself to be swayed by someone you have never met on the internet.
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IF YOU THINK YOU ARE THE ONE AND ONLY, YOU ARE NOT!
Are you coming from your own experience? :?
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I think it's quite obvious who Souza was implying in a lot of what she said. Someone who "writes poems and says god bless you all" non-stop?
If you had ANY idea what it takes to write poetry....how deep one has to go inside to feel... to reach and be connected with the raw emotion....and then to transform that as truthfully as possible into words that express that energy....you would not be full of accusations as you are....
Poems are written from intense emotional feeling, and move the reader, make them feel the pain, the joy, the anger...whatever the emotion is....
Before I write my response, I want to say that I am not writing the following to be malicious in any way. If anything, I am saying this out of concern and love. I actually write poetry and could write a poem from MJ's perspective if I wanted to. (No, I'm not TR folks lolol/) It's not that hard if you are a writer especially since Michael's real writings are already out there. So with that said, I think being a poet does not make a person any less of a manipulator. I hate to burst your bubble but it's true. And Souza, thanks for this post. I think it was needed.
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IF YOU THINK YOU ARE THE ONE AND ONLY, YOU ARE NOT!
Are you coming from your own experience? :?
I believe Souza's original post highlighted an example.
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The screen names mean nothing.... TR has different screen names.... Michael has different screen names... a LOT of people do..... so what? STOP trying to create rumors and lies about TR when you don't even know him.... especially when these lies and rumors come from someone with hidden agenda. I know TR. I am aware of his screen names. Thank you.
Regarding the hidden agenda...... see Love4Michael's post in the Pranksta Gangsta thread....she has explained it there...and I believe you have already read it.
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I believe Souza's original post highlighted an example.
Just an example yes. We don't know if it's about the same person, i can write something like that about anyone. Many posers are outthere. Could be TR, could be someonelse. Anyway, sick...Not that sick if that was MJ , but no..i don't think so..
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The screen names mean nothing.... TR has different screen names.... Michael has different screen names... a LOT of people do..... so what? STOP trying to create rumors and lies about TR when you don't even know him.... especially when these lies and rumors come from someone with hidden agenda. I know TR. I am aware of his screen names. Thank you.
Regarding the hidden agenda...... see Love4Michael's post in the Pranksta Gangsta thread....she has explained it there...and I believe you have already read it.
You are talking in circles. My question was asking WHAT IS THE HIDDEN AGENDA? What is is about? love4michael's explanation is not a hidden agenda if it's known.
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Love4MJ, i think you were hurt by this person too. Maybe you will not admit it, but sharing is helping others. Maybe it's hard for people to stay away just because you are told "stay away". And even harder when you don't trust anyone on the internet, not even admins, or other members for whatever reasons. So maybe your story can help, who knows...
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Love4MJ, i think you were hurt by this person too.
Huh? Where did that come from? All Im doing is asking questions from that seems very much like a Stepford Wife.
lolol/
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okay, but something is strange. you came here for him/her. and you should know more than us since you're so vocal about this TR. who is he why do you hate him so much, did he do something to you or just what you heard on forums and private stories?
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I know EXACTLY where you are coming from Souza....I have had some experience in your shoes.
The truth about people ALWAYS comes out in the end! I support you and think you have made wise
choices so far! Keep up the good work! ;)
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@ Love4MJ
The hidden agenda is the bitterness and desire for vengeance that lies deep within the recesses of the heart of the person who did not get what she wanted.
@ Heart
Why is Love4MJ here for TR? Because he's friends with the person with hidden agenda.
No, Love4MJ was not hurt by TR. Love4MJ is Bad4Life on the other forum and he got banned twice for stalking TR just like he's doing here. He is one of the enemy team of stalkers. He also was banned for bashing beLIEvers. And now he's on a hoax forum. And we already know why.
P.S Now can we PLEASE get back on topic? This thread is about internet predators....... NOT TR.
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Oh i am familiar with Bad4Life. Thanks Baby.
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MJsBabyDoll, you TOTALLY missed my point. You are one of the members that need protection, because it seems like you lost touch of reality.
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@ Love4MJ
The hidden agenda is the bitterness and desire for vengeance that lies deep within the recesses of the heart of the person who did not get what she wanted.
@ Heart
Why is Love4MJ here for TR? Because he's friends with the person with hidden agenda.
No, Love4MJ was not hurt by TR. Love4MJ is Bad4Life on the other forum and he got banned twice for stalking TR just like he's doing here. He is one of the enemy team of stalkers. He also was banned for bashing beLIEvers. And now he's on a hoax forum. And we already know why.
P.S Now can we PLEASE get back on topic? This thread is about internet predators....... NOT TR.
You are absolutely certifiable. It would be my guess that the desire to be with another woman is not on the agenda at hand. Carry on.
Whoooo! Hee! God Bless You All. I love you more! Keep Watchin..............
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Love4MJ and Baby, reading you both i feel that you don't have anything against each other, maybe Love is just protective and MJ'sBaby protects her friend. I would too. This is why i hope in the end nobody gets hurt and THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL for both of you.
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MJsBabyDoll, you TOTALLY missed my point. You are one of the members that need protection, because it seems like you lost touch of reality.
YES! Thank you.
elvis_/ has left the building.
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@ Love4MJ saying TR is a woman. Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. I rest my case.
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@ Love4MJ saying TR is a woman. Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. I rest my case.
Are you over 18?
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I support you Souza. I don't know if anyone here could do your job (at least this long), or would want to. Structure and boundaries are very important, I'm old enough to know that. I want this place to survive and thrive, and I think we all do. You're doing an awesome job. respect/
It wouldn't surprise me at all if TR or PIM was a woman.
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@ Souza
Please do not patronise me. Not that it's any of your business, but if you had read the previous posts I have already said I am OVER 30. Now please stop questioning me. I am not on trial here. I know TR. You don't. Leave it at that.
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@ Souza
Please do not patronise me. Not that it's any of your business, but if you had read the previous posts I have already said I am OVER 30. Now please stop questioning me. I am not on trial here. I know TR. You don't. Leave it at that.
It was a serious question. Knowing now that you are, think it's your own responsibility. I am not patronising you, I am warning you. You know words on a screen, that's not knowing a person. But anyways, good luck with it, we had this same discussion back when PIM got banned. You don't want to take advise, so be it. Don't ever say I didn't warn you.
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Do you know TS in person? It could be the same situation, both fooled by some attention seeker. And i agree, words on a screen, that's not knowing a person.
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Do you know TS in person? It could be the same situation, both fooled by some attention seeker. And i agree, words on a screen, that's not knowing a person.
Maybe you should read the part I wrote about TS. I am not saying I know him, I am saying he is no threat on this forum because all he does is post information. Don't try to twist my words again on this topic and please read what I wrote, since I wrote that especially for you.
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Thankyou Souza for all you do to make this place as safe as possible. You have my support and cooperation and anything else I can help with. There are many here who appreciate all your efforts. beerchug
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@ Souza
No, it's NOT just words on a screen, rest assured. That's all I will say. I will not give details. I am an adult woman who is well aware of internet predators. I do not associate with them. I am finished with this discussion.
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Souza.... you have my full support. It is not easy to make these judgment calls and yes you probably will make mistakes (as any human being would). I respect your decisions and hopefully all members here will grant you a little grace when they disagree with a decision you have made, make, or will make in the future understanding the responsibility you have.
Thank you for taking the time (because a post that long takes some time lolol/ ) for explaining yourself in this post.
Well done my friend!
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@ Souza
No, it's NOT just words on a screen, rest assured. That's all I will say. I will not give details. I am an adult woman who is well aware of internet predators. I do not associate with them. I am finished with this discussion.
I am too, do whatever you want outside this forum. The fact that you are over 30, does not mean you are immune to manipulators. Obsessions and addictions are serious issues and all I can do is warn you, whether you like it or not. But like I said, if you do not agree, then this is not the place for you. But I guess you don't need this forum to communicate with TR, since the two of you know each other so well.
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No threat but people have all their hopes in TS and if you are fooled all members are. They are waiting for him , thinking he might be ill and so, people are worried, have you at least talked to him since he's gone, is he ok, do you know anything? What if he vanishes? I think a lot of members would be more depressed for TS than for TR. TS has all the respect and power here for almost all members. And i find this okay but can't you see, you gave power to TS and if you are deceived , all this forum is. You always take his side and you are 100% sure he is legit with good purpose. But do you see how you try to convince Mj'sBaby that TR might be not what he/she seems and she doesn't even think for a second to consider what you say? Well, you are doing the same with TS when someone starts questioning about TS. You are defending him same way. If you can't understand how MJBaby is so stubborn, well, i also didn't understand why you were so stubbornly fighting for an anonymus. Please take a little time to think at your own advice : "be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep". That doesn't mean i am against TS. No way!
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Great! Back on topic! Souza, thank you for warning us. Like I said from the beginning, I agree with you that it's important to educate people on possible internet predators. It was a great post to shed light on the topic. Thanks again.
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Thank you, Heart. That's exactly how a lot of members here feel and were too afraid to say it. You make some very valid points.
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Souza's post and the information contained in it are very important and I'm a huge advocate of using caution and extra security when dealing with the internet and the good and bad that comes with it. Having said that...I still feel that the accusations that have been laid at TR's feet are completely unwarranted and extremely unfair. I am a very rational, mature woman who has been fortunate enough to consider TR a friend for a long time...and with God as my witness he is none of the things mentioned in Souza's cautionary tale. I do know for a fact the things I posted in the other thread earlier because I witnessed them myself. It's a very unfortunate situation for ALL involved and I really do hope that the person responsible for this mess finds help and some sense of peace for her sake. The bottom line here is that there is truly no threat except for the ones coming from the parties spreading lies.
FOH
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No threat but people have all their hopes in TS and if you are fooled all members are. They are waiting for him , thinking he might be ill and so, people are worried, have you at least talked to him since he's gone, is he ok, do you know anything? What if he vanishes? I think a lot of members would be more depressed for TS than for TR. TS has all the respect and power here for almost all members. And i find this okay but can't you see, you gave power to TS and if you are deceived , all this forum is. You always take his side and you are 100% sure he is legit with good purpose. But do you see how you try to convince Mj'sBaby that TR might be not what he/she seems and she doesn't even think for a second to consider what you say? Well, you are doing the same with TS when someone starts questioning about TS. You are defending him same way. If you can't understand how MJBaby is so stubborn, well, i also didn't understand why you were so stubbornly fighting for an anonymus. Please take a little time to think at your own advice : "be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep". That doesn't mean i am against TS. No way!
I can't believe you still don't understand it and I also can't believe I am going to explain it AGAIN, but here you go:
There is a HUGE difference between TS and TR, that first. TR is playing with people's feelings and some members (I will not name anyone) are convinced that he is MJ and think they have a serious relationship with him. There is a reason TR was banned from the fan forum. TR does not give information, TR posts poems and talks like MJ (well, at least like MJ's public persona) to get attention from gullible and vulnerable members. PIM (the other username of TR) did the same and I can tell you that PIM really wasn't that graceful to me when I banned him, speaking of showing true colors. The members I am talking about (and TR is by far not the only one) are members I get complaints about, warnings from members or people outside the forum that dealt with the particular member before and that added to my gut feeling and observations of the posts, PLUS the reactions of those who are clearly obsessed with that member, make me come to my conclusion.
And then there is TS. Never in 18 months have I had ONE complaint about TS. Never has he tried to manipulate people by claiming he is MJ, never has he 'socialized' with people in PM and never ever has he done anything other than posting information, with a clear DISCLAIMER from the start that no one should just take his words for truth, but use their head and think for themselves. He has proved himself legit more than once and always keeps a safe distance from the members and their feelings. He is rational and 'cold' as some describe his posts. The fact that there are still people who get stressed if he is not online for a few weeks, is not his fault, but people's own fault. Apparently they assume certain things ffrom his posts, as has happened before, and mostly got kicked back into reality after a new update where he made clear once again that you could have SEEN it was not what you initially thought, if you would have just used your head. TS has pointed out very important topics in this hoax and is therefore a valuable member, like many others. There is no need to think he is a cyber criminal who wants people to email him their personal info and he definitely isn't trying to make the gullible ones fall in love with his sweet talk. That is why I defend him when he is attacked based on false assumptions and twisting of words. I would do the same if for example RK (just to name someone) on here would be attacked based on inaccuracy and false assumptions. But RK is not a member that is attacked so that is not necessary. TS apparently is a threat to some people, so he is and therefore will be defended by me when I think that is necessary. And if people are only believing TS is legit because I think so, they never read his posts and are clearly not thinking for themselves. And believe me, if one person on here is extremely skeptic and always on guard, it's me. If you even thought for a minute that I have not spent weeks, maybe even months trying to debunk TS, then you clearly have no clue how I operate. I couldn't debunk him, in fact the more I researched, the more legit he got. That is why I always ask people to try and debunk him to come to their own conclusions.
This is really the last time I have explained this, and I also think that you are kind of insulting the members by assuming they all just follow me and don't think for themselves. If you still don't see the difference in judgement here, then that's your problem. You have been doing this from day 1 and you keep repeating yourself, while I have explained this issue a zillion times already. It's getting a little annoying now.
At the others concerning TR: It's MY observation, my gut feeling and MY decision. If you don't agree, go register your own domain and get a forum where stuff like that is embraced. I don't like it and I don't want it. I have seen many examples of people being seriously damaged by people online, even after YEARS. And I don't think I have to remind any of the old members how it ended with MediaHypeAgain, who in the end ADMITTED he was just fucking with people on purpose, while many members were CERTAIN he was MJ and oh so nice. He wasn't, he was a mind fucker and those 'followers' had a very rough wake-up call.
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No threat but people have all their hopes in TS and if you are fooled all members are. They are waiting for him , thinking he might be ill and so, people are worried, have you at least talked to him since he's gone, is he ok, do you know anything? What if he vanishes? I think a lot of members would be more depressed for TS than for TR. TS has all the respect and power here for almost all members. And i find this okay but can't you see, you gave power to TS and if you are deceived , all this forum is. You always take his side and you are 100% sure he is legit with good purpose. But do you see how you try to convince Mj'sBaby that TR might be not what he/she seems and she doesn't even think for a second to consider what you say? Well, you are doing the same with TS when someone starts questioning about TS. You are defending him same way. If you can't understand how MJBaby is so stubborn, well, i also didn't understand why you were so stubbornly fighting for an anonymus. Please take a little time to think at your own advice : "be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep". That doesn't mean i am against TS. No way!
heartphantom, the subject of TS has been touched on before (even before the following posts): http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=320781#p320781
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At least, TS is serious and his researchs are of great help.
TR seems a teenager.
and to me there is no way in hell he can be even slightly compared to BACK.
Just my 2 cents of the off-topic lol
And also I wanna say that Sousa's post is very important and should be taken very seriously and considered throughoutly.
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@ Souza
So you are basing your feelings on TR, on your "gut feeling"? Okay thank you for clarifying, Souza. SOME of us will base our judgement on TR, on what we KNOW and the fact that we have known him for a long time.
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@ Souza
So you are basing your feelings on TR, on your "gut feeling"? Okay thank you for clarifying, Souza. SOME of us will base our judgement on TR, on what we KNOW and the fact that we have known him for a long time.
I think you have problems reading, maybe you should read my posts again, ALL of them. I am sick and tired of your whining after I ban your beloved 'internet-boyfriends'. Cut the obsessed behaviour or find your blessing somewhere else.
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Thanks for all your hard work Souza. I really appreciate it. Seems like some people just can't keep on topic....I actually get turned off when I see people bash eachother in a thread.
That's not what MJ was about. Small steps people, and forgiveness is your key to happiness. God Bless.
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thank you souza for acutally caring about us and trying to keep us safe in a bearhug you go girl respect/ now back to that padded place beerchug
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@ souza YOU have not read MY posts. I know what I know. Internet boyfriend? LOL I don't think so.
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Just for the records:
ever since I ran into Souza at mjhd, I have found her dedication to sticking to the search for truth, to common sense, to regular caution, to fairness and to a clear directive in her house remarkable and outstanding.
It should not be necessary to explain oneself again and again. The fact that Souza is making her intentions and direction clear one more time only shows that the general issues she described are persisting and that individual issues need repeatedly to be approached whenever members come and go.
Souza has my full support. Her contributions are exceptional. Don't worry, I am not a fan of her nor do I believe she'd need any fanbase. I am not always with her either but we don't mind. Long hoax year's fellow now, grateful for every single effort, being 100% with Souza when it comes to protection against avoidable and unnecessary dangers.
If you are interested in general internet issues that lay the ground for individual issues, these pages may be useful:
internet privacy and social profiling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_privacy
what Google does and how you may block
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,665613,00.html&usg=ALkJrhjynVP-kf8VwQhdWjY0AEW7oltyHA
why Mozilla may be a better choice as a browser and may be helpful in blocking the collection of your very personal data:
there's plenty of useful privacy add-ons, just to name a few:
"Adblock Plus" will stop pop-ups
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/
"Better Privacy" will eliminate infiltration of your desktop with permanent long lasting flash cookies that are not eliminated while deleting browser history
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/
"Ghostery" sees the invisible tracking internet that is directed to you when you browse and will block the trackers
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ghostery/
A general advice: wherever you sign up because the application does look so delicious:
for your own safety, read the full "small font" standard company general conditions entirely before you say yes.
In many cases you agree to data collection and transfer to third parties.
Did you know that many apps for smartphones will track and transmit your GPS location?
Check background information about the product before you say "yes" to a new contract.
When it comes to what we as individual beings tend to believe in the web or where we allow imposure of an influence on us - that's a very individual learning and evolutionary process of growth.
Souza watching over individuals' safety here, too, and noticing vulnerabilities and potential threats on people requiring assistence is absolutely exceptional and deserves a big "Thank you" hug.
bearhug
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People here are so smart and funny, most of them. I really like almost everybody here and I'm grateful to you all for taking the time to be here. And I mean it, it's not just words.
Even the ones criticizing me on different issues - I am not mad with them or something, I know we are not perfect, none of us, except Michael of course :mrgreen: :lol: (MJ you know I still worship you, can't help myself geek/ )
I also like TR and I also like PIM and BlackJack and...who else, name it, I can't remember. They have something special about themselves if they can use those tactics and be convincing. I know I could never do that. I guess it takes some skills to duplicate Michael's personality on the net. Skills that I sort of admire in others as I don't have them.
To me, and God knows I'm not what others call a normal person, it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand WHY someone would pretend to be Michael on the net. Maybe I can't understand a split personality.
So how is it, you just say hey from 9 to 5 I'll be me and from 6 to 12 I'll be Michael Jackson?
How can someone suppress his/hers own personality and take another one? Is this happening for real or just in the movies? It's impossible for me to understand this behaviour confused/ .
Oh and I still miss BlackJack and his/hers posts which I remember many of us enjoyed at that time. A fictional character can be as enjoyable as a real one, that's my conclusion. Like when you read a good book and start to have feelings about the characters in there, even if you know they don't exist in reality.
Now TR is banned?
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Yet in a sense, through necessity or survival MJ learned to do that very thing--project a personality that he knew the public wanted and went crazy for, and worked hard to protect the real him--revealing that identity only to close friends and family.
So what makes up the personality type of a troll or person who loves to use many user-names, or a person who tries to fool people into thinking he/she is Michael Jackson. Who's a psychologist here? Are they people who have felt unloved/unnwanted for who they really are and now found a way to get that attention? Are they bored but smart and this is a fun challenge they want to see if they can beat? Or are they a manipulative predator (like Souza said) that like a spider is laying a clever trap waiting to catch the next victim? People are so complicated, so unique. Don't we all to some extent wear masks, and present a little different person in our various friendships and people we are with. Oh well, as long as we have internet we'll have to deal with those types. Thanks again Souza!
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a way to get that attention
I am also shocked by internet predators, so much effort, time, energy, diplomacy, patience, disimulation, this can't be just for seeking attention, it's something more, it's sick, maybe they also don't know the answer, maybe they don't even realize they need HELP and how tramatic they can be.
Who's a psychologist here?
Who's a psychiatrist here?
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a way to get that attention
I am also shocked by internet predators, so much effort, time, energy, diplomacy, patience, disimulation, this can't be just for seeking attention, it's something more, it's sick, maybe they also don't know the answer, maybe they don't even realize they need HELP and how tramatic they can be.
Who's a psychologist here?
Who's a psychiatrist here?
lolol/ penguin/
About the time and effort and patience, I would also like to know if they are sick or attention seekers.
But what's the possibility they really are the person they pretend to be, amongst other options?
Is this a possiblity or not?
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Thank you Souza.
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About the time and effort and patience, I would also like to know if they are sick or attention seekers.
But what's the possibility they really are the person they pretend to be, amongst other options?
Is this a possiblity or not?
Why not? It's less possible but not impossible. Michael is a human being like anyone else outside the stage. He can be childlike, playful or curious... maybe he is missing his fans...We don't know if he would be like himself or not, we just assume he would have to be a different style, but what do we know? Maybe he can't. Back also gave himself away and he's not a troll.
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hey souza, I wanna thank you for this great place you've created for us. and you have my total support. I totally can understand why you do what you do. It is important to point out the trolls and makes sure nobody on here gets hurt. Some people are very gulliple and emotional on here which I totally undertstand because this is hoax is taking so long. It's taking a toll on my own sanity sometimes as well :) It gety harder and harder to believe anybody and sometimes you just really want to believe somebody because they make you feel better.
Another thing I want to say and I hope it is ok I say it in ths thread) is that the sometimes almost hostile evironment in this forum really makes me sad. This place has become so important to me in so little time, and it really bothers me that people are constantly fightin with each other lately. I don't get why people always have to be in each others faces all the time. IMO we are all entitled to our own opinion. Having an own opionion is something that makes us unique. Conformity is not what brought this forum so far. But people on here tend to get really emotional if someone doesn't agree with them and then the fightin starts. Why is that? Tolerance is the key. Sometimes you just have to accept how other people think even have they have a different opinion.
This forum shares one impoartant feature. The love to Michael has brought us all together here. And if Michael has taught us somethings, it's that we need to tolerate each other and love each other. I don't think that fighting will help the cause of this forum and it makes me sad seeing threads close because people can't accept different opinions.
well, just my 2 cents.
I hope you all have a wonderful day :)
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That "game" is disgusting and beyond sick. suspicious//
Thanks Souza for raising awareness - I think this is an important and serious topic.
Still let me add a lol @ this part:
He’s not going to open an account called “ImightbeMJ” and type “Shamone Shamone” every other sentence.
:P :lol: :P
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Thank you, Souza.
You are a very good admin in my heart.;)
GOD BLESS YOU ALL
bearhug
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Souza, I appreciate your dedication. You take great pains to keep your house neat and tidy. It makes a difference and people notice that.
Are you a good cook too ? :mrgreen:
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Very interesting topic! Thank you Souza for taking your time and explaining your point of view to us. The issue you've addressed is very important, especially for minors who are using this or any other forum. As you said when we are 13-14 we think we know it ALL, but in reality we know nothing at all! So thank you once again for at least trying to make it safe for them here. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> Even though sometimes we might not agree with your decisions, but it's your "home" and you should do whatever you think is best for it. I would not be able to do your job in a million years, i'm too soft hearted and people would walk all over me <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
Regarding TR: i don't "know" him at all, all i know about him is his posts, i've never had any private conversations with him, so i can't say who this person is (good or bad). The posts seemed kind of nice to me, that's why i was always saying that i like him and that i think he is a nice person. I admit that i was finding connection between him and Back, but then i lost it. But i never thought that he is Michael. So if he is banned or will get banned i won't cry <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->, people who really care for him or KNOW him as they say should not have a problem with it too. I mean if he is your friend you can still communicate with him, it doesn't have to be on this forum. You can call each other, email, skype etc. If TR really got misjudged or misunderstood, i'm very sorry, but he brought it on himself and maybe that will teach him a lesson. Maybe someday he will prove us that we were wrong and that will teach us a lesson. Who knows right?
Regarding TS: He is actually the first member on this forum i got to "know" (if you can say that). His posts brought me here. It took me 2 weeks to understand and actually check the information he was presenting. His posts were "cold" and always straight to the point without any side talking, i loved it! If you read my posts i'm always trying to debunk his theories, i agree with him only if i can't find any other way. So i think that i'm pretty fair and i'm not blindly following him.
Regarding Souza: Souza is the first member i got to talk to on this forum. I had some troubles with registering my user name, so i've sent an email to her asking for help. (to be honest i thought that she would never reply <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->, she seemed to be all so cool and strict) She did reply to my email and helped me to register my user name and said some nice wishes to me. From that moment i was no longer afraid of her <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> Souza is not a sugar, but i think that she is fair.
My main concern right now is that people are fighting non stop for the past 2 weeks or so. I can't figure out what's the problem, but we MUST STOP NOW!!! <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->
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L.O.V.E and P.E.A.C.E to all! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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a way to get that attention
I am also shocked by internet predators, so much effort, time, energy, diplomacy, patience, disimulation, this can't be just for seeking attention, it's something more, it's sick, maybe they also don't know the answer, maybe they don't even realize they need HELP and how tramatic they can be.
Who's a psychologist here?
Who's a psychiatrist here?
I am a pshychologist.. I have been reading all of your posts, I for one am very skeptical, not because I hate people because I do not trust. I was also skeptical joining this forum, but by reading some post and seeing that we use a username I felt a sense of security. I will tell you one thing, with all my experience being a therapist, (pshychologist) I delt with people who were adults, when I say adults I mean in the 50's and up, got scammed from people in the internet. Souza is absolutely right. I cannot devolge to many information from my patients, I had a patient she was 55 yrs old she met a man through a dating site, this man lived in Europe somewhere, he conned her into money. She send him by credit card a sum of 10 thousand dollars. Can you believe that a man who courted her, telling her how beautiful she was and he wanted to marry her and bla bla bla.. Oh yeah, after stealing money from her and she never heard from him again. Vanished in thin air. I had another case a child of 12 yrs old, was approached also by a preditor in the internet, he was posing as a young child same age as she was. Thank God the parents had put a child security in the internet, you know you can do that right? If you have children I think you should use this option. The little child was scared for life. Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. When a person has been abused by hitting etc.. by growing up they supress the hurt they had to endure. After a while this hurt manifest it self, it comes back to surface whether you want it of not. When this hurt and anger manifest itself, it makes you do crazy things, some are killers, some are preditors etc...Some are this way because they want to have a kick out of life, they want to have fun, they are bored to death with their life. Believe it or not some come from rich family and they lack of affection, so they decide to enjoy themselves in making other believe.. In the internet world, you have to take some and leave some, do not be gullable, people are liars. Right now I do not have time to continue, I have patients awaiting for me. I hope this helped you a little. Blessings.
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So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not.
LOL that´s a word!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
But seriously: I get what you mean Souza. Thanks for posting this all.
I have my reasons why I joined this forum after looking around for nearly 2 years.
It would be easy for me now posting an opinion about TR after banning, so I won´t do it.
I just feel sorry that I didn´t tell my statement at the right time when these poems were published, and I will keep in mind to do it earlier next time when I got the feeling sth weird is going on here.
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Very interesting deliberations, all4loveandbelieve. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, this gave definitely food for thought...
Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. When a person has been abused by hitting etc.. by growing up they supress the hurt they had to endure. After a while this hurt manifest it self, it comes back to surface whether you want it of not. When this hurt and anger manifest itself, it makes you do crazy things, some are killers, some are preditors etc...Some are this way because they want to have a kick out of life, they want to have fun, they are bored to death with their life. Believe it or not some come from rich family and they lack of affection, so they decide to enjoy themselves in making other believe..
I try to understand this action pattern by what you´ve explained above, but somehow I fail. Is it mainly the sheer fun in manipulating others? - Do these people feel a flash of might by acting this way? - Do they consciously realize what they´re doing? - And is that really satisfying? - I don´t get it. My childhood surely wasn`t the funniest too, but I was raised to treat others with respect and in the same way in which I want to be treated.
So when I try to picture a character based on the attributes you´ve explained above, I can`t help but think of
(http://www.freewebs.com/frodoweb_89/gollum07.jpg)
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Who knows! Can be just plain hate towards MJ´s fans and supporters, a game, or can be something deeper. Personality disorders related to Narcissistic Personality Disorder includes the serial bully, antisocial personality disorder, paranoid personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, attention seeking behaviour, psychopathy....the list goes on.
Users coming back in cycles to certain "games" look to me as something that needs to be treated. We don´t know if the cyclic pattern come backs have to do with just boredom or really with a syndrome. Sociophats i.e, have their ups and downs.
The aim is to be rewarded by pleasure, either by obtaining admiration, pity, love or hurting those who he/ she uses.
The motives? can go from hate towards the person who she/he is impersonating (i.e MJ) or hate towards those who like the person he/she impersonates (i.e MJ´s fans).
On the second option we can have a very angry rejected woman or man who can´t live with the idea of MJ, in this case, being together with another person. This would explain the behaviour of "trapping" those vulnerable women who want to be the ones, playing with them and hurting them after with no contemplation.
MR/ Mrs MJ wanna be even had online romances and well, many women got hurt by this romance, either by being "the one" among more, or by being "the rejected one". The sad part is that some of those women are over 30 and with family.
It always rings the alarm bell to me when someone comes with "X is hurt because Y does not give her attention"
Some people are upset with Souza and Souza´s decision is just victimizing this kind of users more. She could be wrong but she could also be right. We need to understand that the main point here is prevention based in past situations.
"TR" in this case was cutted before any harm could have been done, and well, division happened once more and things got out of context.
And i also agree with "So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not"
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My reasoning is there is no need to get into a flap about the 'possibility that MJ was banned' because if his goal was to interact and have some fun with the hoaxers he could still do so under any name or alias minus the hinting and attention drawing that has been present in the MJ'esque postings and poems to date. So why the big deal , what would make members here fight so hard for PIM/TR unless they were convinced this person was Michael himself. Shikster comes by and drops some amazing poetry and there is no problem whatsoever. What makes this situation different is the relational aspect of it all and that is where the danger and vulnerability of it truly lies. But back to MJ. Would this present situation stop him from visiting or posting if he was so inclined? I don't believe so. He created this hoax and I'm sure sure he understands the guidelines here for security and safety. So this storm in a tea cup is really just that. It's not going to stop MJ from interacting here if he chooses to but it will stop fakers from getting a footing in and drawing a following . And that is a good thing. Just the way that I see it.
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Very interesting deliberations, all4loveandbelieve. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, this gave definitely food for thought...
Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. When a person has been abused by hitting etc.. by growing up they supress the hurt they had to endure. After a while this hurt manifest it self, it comes back to surface whether you want it of not. When this hurt and anger manifest itself, it makes you do crazy things, some are killers, some are preditors etc...Some are this way because they want to have a kick out of life, they want to have fun, they are bored to death with their life. Believe it or not some come from rich family and they lack of affection, so they decide to enjoy themselves in making other believe..
I try to understand this action pattern by what you´ve explained above, but somehow I fail. Is it mainly the sheer fun in manipulating others? - Do these people feel a flash of might by acting this way? - Do they consciously realize what they´re doing? - And is that really satisfying? - I don´t get it. My childhood surely wasn`t the funniest too, but I was raised to treat others with respect and in the same way in which I want to be treated.
So when I try to picture a character based on the attributes you´ve explained above, I can`t help but think of
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Very good question rag doll.Some do it for sheer fun, they have nothing better to do and because they come from a rich family and they think everything is permitted. Some do it because they want to inflict pain into others just the way they feel inside. They want others to share their pain. This is not their fault, It is so easy to blame people who are a risk meaning who are dangerous towards others. There is a story, a child was raised by wolves, he became a wolf, this is what he knew, nothing else. So if you are raised in a loving family, and understanding and also severe, and respect, you will become a normal human being. You will portray what you have learned towards others. I can go on and on and on, it will take to long, and I don't have all the time in the world.. I wish I did, psychology is so complexed, especially the brain, don't forget people who do these actions they are receiving a message from the brain. If you have more question you can pm me it will be a pleasure to answer your questions. blessings.
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I'm with you !!! Greatest !!! typing/
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I did not have time to read all of this but all i have to say is that some people act like on the playground and makes things difficult : all you have to do is register : read: agree/disagree :go on or continue to stay here chat and read and think for yourself....there is not f'cking mind controls or playgrounds here....."we're normal people" that try to find out what really happened or what really is happening with MJ....we're not like the rest of the fans "let the man rest and go on with your life as if nothing has ever happened..." why ...i ask why so much hate / trying to destroy Souza's work!? go on with your life haters cause this site ain't going down! keep up the good work Souza much love! bearhug respect/
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Then there are people who are afraid I might ban MJ himself. First of all, if he really visits this site often, he must know how I think about trolls and people stirring up things, or claiming stuff without back-up. So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not.
LMFAO! This is why I love Souza haha! Thank you for this, Souza, I always enjoy your long posts :). As for TR, I liked his/her poems but don't know much more about him. I didn't really care for most of his posts, never thought he/she/it was MJ and i feel like kicking those who do. MJsBabyDoll, you talk about TR worse than I talk about MJ :lol: and if I were the Admin, I would've banned you already so try to respect Souza a little bit more and understand she is only looking out for your best interest. I've never had a problem here with anyone, maybe thats because I'm a grown woman who doesn't look for drama on an internet forum. Anyway, we should all take responsibility in watching out for our minors here, some are extremely naive. Once again, thank you Souza for all that you do for the site, for MJ and for us!
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Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. [/color]
OK I'm not sure what you understand by "abused" but was Michael abused when he was a child?
All abused children end in splited personality?
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Souza Thanks for letting us be here and support us all ... argue/ :lol: the truth is that there must be very patient to manage this forum with all the things that have happened here, I have no so patience :roll:
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Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. [/color]
OK I'm not sure what you understand by "abused" but was Michael abused when he was a child?
All abused children end in splited personality?
Ginafelicia, I did not talk about Michael at all, I simply said, when children are abused at a young age they can turn out with lots of psychological problems. No not all children that get abused go to that extreme. Michael was abused when he was a child, he is the lucky one who turned out right. Yet I am sure he must have had some issues growing up, asking himself if he was loved, from his father. Some people can be Schizophrenic due to the abuse, any kind of abuse, can be rape, molestation, beating, cigarette burns, parents setting their children on fire.. We can go on.. Mental abuse is the worst, that's when children become Schizophrenic when they grow up, or paranoia, they think everyone is against them, they want to kill people.. Life is not easy, I see this everyday of my life. In a way I do not blame these human beings the way they turned out, it is all the parents fault for not raising the children in a proper manner..
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I hope we can MOVE on from these recent events and try 2 all gET aLONG. One LOVE, One UNITY. We're all pART oF tHE MJ FAMily.
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Souza, I think that your main motives for this thread are to make rules very clear and make us aware of internet safety dangers in an open and honest humoristic way, which I respect very much.
It is good to point this out and it makes you realize again that on the internet you’ll never be safe and that’s why we all have to keep being awake. Sometimes we need some structure and discipline on this forum, because it turned out to be a big one.
Just want to say to you Souza, a BIG thank you and it’s a good feeling to have a good/bad cop on this forum.
All together for L.O.V.E.
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Lastly a note: I don't want any bash comments/threads anymore. Not about Joe, not about Jermaine, not about Karen Faye or anyone else. You can give your opinion, say you don't like a certain person while backing up why, but keep it respectful. When I see a comment that crosses a line, I will delete it without warning.
Thank you as well for that part!! And don't forget to mention Ms. Katherine! She's received a lot of bashing as well on this forum.
My mother taught me from a child that "If you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all!"
I've made it my business to notice if the people doing the bashing have joined Michael's Army of Love, and sad to say most of them have! That in itself speaks volumes to me. One of the definitions for "love" is "a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person." Maybe their love is only for Michael, and the rest of the world can go to hell in a hand basket!!
I know that Michael is reading the threads on this forum, so how do you all think he feels when he reads the things that people who claim to be in his Army of Love say about others especially his family and friends. Heck with some of the things that have been posted here regarding his family and friends he might as well be reading a tabloid!
And I say the same thing about the people who go back and forth with each other. argue/ How do you think that makes Michael feel? Huh? I pray that he does what I do, and that is skip over certain individual's posts! How many people have you all heard over the past almost two years say how Micheal was so even tempered and handled problems with others without raising his voice and getting angry? Lots of them!!
This is just an off the wall thought I've had for a long time, what if when Michael returned, he decided to select some people who had participated in this forum to be special guests of his at some type of affair based on their attitude on this forum? Would I make the cut, would you make the cut? Just something to make you go hummmmmm! Think about it.
To all the bashers and hell-raisers out there, I'm not afraid to say that this site is not about you, it's about Michael!!! State your opinion and move on! And then maybe, just maybe, some of the threads wouldn't be so long! Now that's just my opinion! I'm done! So don't bother to post "@" me, I won't be responding!
Thank you Souza, you're a woman after my own heart!
bearhug
Stay Blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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souza, thank you for this thread. i feel a little follish for some of my posts. i have a tendancy to be a little too personal abt myself and my feelings re: mj. i should have read this thread on my first day here.
im going to check myself and be a little more careful. after all i am here to do self paced research and to read and to doscover. not to talk abt myself. i got swept up with emotion to find a group of brilliant, smart people who share common belief that mj is alive. going to start being a little less emotional and a little more objective. overall i am going to be much more careful that i have been thats for sure. your stern yet kind warning in this thread stems from pure L.O.V.E.
thank you
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/pull hair/ My head hurts. This forum is for MJ believers and lovers. He stands for L.O.V.E
So why are we even bothering arguing and carrying on!!!! Just leave it, it makes for some very boring reading!! Lets get on with the investigating the Hoax :)
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/pull hair/ My head hurts. This forum is for MJ believers and lovers. He stands for L.O.V.E
So why are we even bothering arguing and carrying on!!!! Just leave it, it makes for some very boring reading!! Lets get on with the investigating the Hoax :)
You might think this post is boring, but it's for your own safety. Besides that, you don't HAVE to read it if you think it's so boring... :?
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Souza, I didnt think the post was boring, just people arguing are. I have the utmost respect for you and what you are doing!!! With L.O.V.E...
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well i will add my personal experience her....humiliating as it is..........i was a victim of this type of thing.......and i am not a sad lonely person,my life is happy and full.the trouble began after responding to a member here....."MJROCKSMYSOCKSOFF" aka "KIM" ......she told the forum she was sick with cancer,and i reached out to her.....that was my mistake..........she convinced me she was in showbusiness,and personally knew NIKKI SIXX and TOM PETTY....and that she could hook me up to chat to MICHAEL...............i trusted her and that was another mistake.....this ha s caused me a huge amount of distress and pain.I know i am not the only person this has happened to with this member.the repercussions have been disasterous.......i have documented proof of all i am saying...i dont want to share this as its painful....maybe others will :'( be more willing to share.......i am a decent human being and this has shaken me to the core.............so please be careful .......alll of you......xxxxxxxx
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well i will add my personal experience her....humiliating as it is..........i was a victim of this type of thing.......and i am not a sad lonely person,my life is happy and full.the trouble began after responding to a member here....."MJROCKSMYSOCKSOFF" aka "KIM" ......she told the forum she was sick with cancer,and i reached out to her.....that was my mistake..........she convinced me she was in showbusiness,and personally knew NIKKI SIXX and TOM PETTY....and that she could hook me up to chat to MICHAEL...............i trusted her and that was another mistake.....this ha s caused me a huge amount of distress and pain.I know i am not the only person this has happened to with this member.the repercussions have been disasterous.......i have documented proof of all i am saying...i dont want to share this as its painful....maybe others will :'( be more willing to share.......i am a decent human being and this has shaken me to the core.............so please be careful .......alll of you......xxxxxxxx
I wasn't going to post on this thread because everything had already been said. I will say Loyalfan I am sorry that you went thru that. It's a shame at what some people will do. Hopefully you can move on from it and use it as a learning experience as hard as that might be to hear.
Everyone should treat others with respect just for being human, sadly that doesn't happen at times. It's something that I can never understand.
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well i will add my personal experience her....humiliating as it is..........i was a victim of this type of thing.......and i am not a sad lonely person,my life is happy and full.the trouble began after responding to a member here....."MJROCKSMYSOCKSOFF" aka "KIM" ......she told the forum she was sick with cancer,and i reached out to her.....that was my mistake..........she convinced me she was in showbusiness,and personally knew NIKKI SIXX and TOM PETTY....and that she could hook me up to chat to MICHAEL...............i trusted her and that was another mistake.....this ha s caused me a huge amount of distress and pain.I know i am not the only person this has happened to with this member.the repercussions have been disasterous.......i have documented proof of all i am saying...i dont want to share this as its painful....maybe others will :'( be more willing to share.......i am a decent human being and this has shaken me to the core.............so please be careful .......alll of you......xxxxxxxx
I am so sorry that you have had such a bad experience on the forum particular with another member, I feel your pain, but we must be careful on this world wide web, it gives unscrupulus people the opportunity the hide behind their screen and "pretend" to be something they are not. bangbang bangbang
Sending you lots of love, and support I sense that you may be young which is very sad you have had this experience. There are good people on this forum, you have been unfortunate and trusted too easily, you will be less trusting next time. God bless you.
Take care.
bearhug
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The 'humiliating' experience is not humiliating at all, just another proof that the victim feels ashamed to be put on the slaughterbank. Thanks for sharing and warning, this could happen to all of us.
Thank you ~Souza~ for all the hard work you are dedicating to your forum, regardless personal attacks. That takes a lot of courage and beyond the courage I can feel the love that at some moments asks uncomfortable decisions. It feels good that you uppdate the thread from time to time since there is no absolute internetsecutity.
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Now I understand your comment from my last post. 100% not directed at you. I'm a former professional athlete, sports fan and I am currently active in athletic science. I run into all types on a weekly basis, it's been one of those weeks and was just adding my two cents to the heat bath.
Souza, be aware of the people who ask, "what have you done for me lately"?
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Now and forever wiyh you,when and where I can help... :icon_razz:
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Wow this was a really interesting read. Thanks for the warnings...
All the best!