Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI & TS Discussions => Topic started by: JentleTouch on May 24, 2011, 10:12:03 PM
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Hello, TS!
With the Sousa's permission I dare to open up a thread with questions for you and will copy my post from the other thread.
I hope you will answer this. Thank you in advance.
My question is have you ever considered a possibility of the family being NOT in the know?
I have read your posts about them that a member here kindly referred me to.
Here is my thoughts:
PureLove, big thanks for posting this. If I understand correctly, TS thinks the family is in on the hoax. If all those mentioned things are the only reason to believe they are really in on it, to me it's unconvincing. Because everyone can interpret it in their own way, that tweet for instance. The chosen words could easily be just a coincidence ( You don't believe in coincidence, I know, I know:) but still ) How many times do we use those words on a daily basis. I know I do. And that doesn't make me be someone in the know. Even if that's not a coincidence, still the different interpretation works. I try hard and I just can't comprehend why would they act in such a cruel way? I mean towards the fans, of course. As far as I know the overwhelming majority of Michael's fans is women. I know how emotional they are. Michael, in my opinion wouldn't just sit back and watch all these neverending tears, suffers and pains, or, even worse, act as if it was just a game, " the adventure ". And he didn't. He had left a few strong clues before he disappeared, but he did it himself. and if he would act along with the family, they should be acting the same way. But they don't. Since the very beginning the family has been trying to convince everybody there is no hoax and Michael is indeed dead. I first thought it was their role and they had been playing just perfectly, Oscar-alike. And now I think they have never been in on it. Maybe just having their guess. Of course, I know there were many " slip-ups" made by them during this " unnervious adventure". My favorite sure was " To the airport, oh I mean to the hospital", made by Jermaine, the one who is the most active convincer ever ( along with Randy and Karen, though she isnt a family member ) Sure, it does NOT look like an accidental remark, but heck I made a lot worse slip-ups and they were really and I mean Really made just by accident. This also goes to all the other ones, that we mistook as well. You know what made me think they are not the slip-ups but the faulse perceptions? The family' behavior. They just DON'T act as if they know anything. If they knew, they would act the same way as Michael. Knowing his nature I just refuse to believe he would ever let them act like this and sit back and watch the fan's reaction to every " Michael is dead, painful, but true " remark, tweet or whatever. Or, what's worse, send an insider and play with them ans ask riddles. NO. That's not Michael I have always known and admired. NO. They at least should be silent. Just S.I.L.E.N.T.!
You may say - Read between the lines. Fine, I will do, and I do but Michael was pretty simple and clear when he left his great clues. We could clearly read PAINS, and there was no need to read between the lines. Also we didn't need to See between the lines ( is there such an expression? lol ) when we clealy saw the moving body inside the helicopter, him in the pig mask with Liz and the kids on the Halloween night or him disguised as the green man in the new version of We Are The World etc etc. The point I want to make is Michael is simple. All the great things are simple. He didnt bend our brain even more, he knew we would be overwhelmed enough already after the 25 of June, he acted precisely and distinctly and he was very honest. He warned us. In TII. " The adventure. There is nothing to be nervous about "
But before the film came out he had done a lot of work with all those well thought-out clues. You just have to be a real fan to see and understand that. Apparently, his family isn't one. Or he just had no choice.
TS , please take notice that Im in no way trying to dispute your words and thoughts, that's just something I want you to consider and comment if possible.
Thank you.
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I have a question....
WHERE ARE YOU?
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I have a question....
WHERE ARE YOU?
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Haha...I second that. bearhug
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I have a question....
WHERE ARE YOU?
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Haha...I second that. bearhug
i like I said it in the TS post, he vanished in thin air like Michael.. (STRANGE ISN'T IT??)
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May be TS is busy attending conferences about the world situation or he just have a life beside this forum, or his pc crashed, or did not pay the internet bill, or, or.....is bored hoaxing and michaeling. However the situation, TS should be very glad having a fan club!
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waste of time as far as i have noticed he never comments on a thread he doesn't start himself.
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Why would he post anywhere else suspicious? TS isn't a hoaxer.
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@JentleTouch
Your welcome. Hope you can get an answer from TS.
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I don't think TS will answer this question, because the supporting evidence that JT offers is all based on JT's impressions of what he thinks MJ would and wouldn't do... which we have no real way of knowing. It's not a very strong argument and TS usually ignores stuff like that. Just saying, perhaps I'm wrong.
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I don't think TS will answer this question, because the supporting evidence that JT offers is all based on JT's impressions of what he thinks MJ would and wouldn't do... which we have no real way of knowing. It's not a very strong argument and TS usually ignores stuff like that. Just saying, perhaps I'm wrong.
I agree and I hope he is not ignoring us too. I don't believe "he can be busy" thing because it would take just a couple of minutes to make a post and let us know what's going on. I have to admit that I feel a little bit disregarded by TS.
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I don't think TS will answer this question, because the supporting evidence that JT offers is all based on JT's impressions of what he thinks MJ would and wouldn't do... which we have no real way of knowing. It's not a very strong argument and TS usually ignores stuff like that. Just saying, perhaps I'm wrong.
I agree and I hope he is not ignoring us too. I don't believe "he can be busy" thing because it would take just a couple of minutes to make a post and let us know what's going on. I have to admit that I feel a little bit disregarded by TS.
Yeah I don't believe he's "busy" either. Let's face it, we're all busy. You make time for what's important to you. At one time, at least, this was important to TS. I believe it still is important. There's another reason for his absence, what that reason is right now is not clear. In my opinion, that reason is one of the following: this is a test, he is waiting for us to do something, or we are being punished.
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I don't think TS will answer this question, because the supporting evidence that JT offers is all based on JT's impressions of what he thinks MJ would and wouldn't do... which we have no real way of knowing. It's not a very strong argument and TS usually ignores stuff like that. Just saying, perhaps I'm wrong.
I hope he does reply only for common courteousy.. politeness, etc..
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Punished? well, I talk for myself. I don´t allow anyone to take power over me that way.
TS not posting as a punishment? Nah. I think that TS is as lost as we are when comes to the investigation. He was positive that the trial would start in May and then the trial was postponed till September, so TS stopped posting.
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I don't think TS will answer this question, because the supporting evidence that JT offers is all based on JT's impressions of what he thinks MJ would and wouldn't do... which we have no real way of knowing. It's not a very strong argument and TS usually ignores stuff like that. Just saying, perhaps I'm wrong.
I agree and I hope he is not ignoring us too. I don't believe "he can be busy" thing because it would take just a couple of minutes to make a post and let us know what's going on. I have to admit that I feel a little bit disregarded by TS.
Yeah I don't believe he's "busy" either. Let's face it, we're all busy. You make time for what's important to you. At one time, at least, this was important to TS. I believe it still is important. There's another reason for his absence, what that reason is right now is not clear. In my opinion, that reason is one of the following: this is a test, he is waiting for us to do something, or we are being punished.
Bec, may I know why we would be punished? Have we done anything wrong? I don't think so.. Like you said we all are bsuy and we all have a life. We do not know this person, maybe he can be genuine, or maybe he is a troll we don't know him at all. Do not twist my words, I am not talking bad about this person, I never do, I do not know him just I do not know you and others, but I respect everyone equally in this forum. Let's see what he does, but like I said, only common courteousy, he can ans this question... blessings.
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Punished? well, I talk for myself. I don´t allow anyone to take power over me that way.
TS not posting as a punishment? Nah. I think that TS is as lost as we are when comes to the investigation. He was positive that the trial would start in May and then the trial was postponed till September, so TS stopped posting.
That's not true at all. TS said hearings. He said nothing about a trial starting.
But I agree with you, no one can take power over you that you do not grant them.
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I hope that it is nothing about health problems and hope all is well with him but if everything is fine with him, it means that he is losing his interest in the hoax. That can be the only explanation of his disappearance imo.
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Punished? well, I talk for myself. I don´t allow anyone to take power over me that way.
TS not posting as a punishment? Nah. I think that TS is as lost as we are when comes to the investigation. He was positive that the trial would start in May and then the trial was postponed till September, so TS stopped posting.
That's not true at all. TS said hearings. He said nothing about a trial starting.
But I agree with you, no one can take power over you that you do not grant them.
Thanks for the correction, hearings. My language skills fails me at times.
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Maybe we've served our purpose.
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Maybe we've served our purpose.
That is possible. But that would indicate that we proved what we set out to prove.
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Maybe we've served our purpose.
That is possible. But that would indicate that we proved what we set out to prove.
And maybe we did just that - or we proved what TS wanted, which may not be the same thing at all.
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Maybe we've served our purpose.
That is possible. But that would indicate that we proved what we set out to prove.
And maybe we did just that - or we proved what TS wanted, which may not be the same thing at all.
Indeed curls. We think similarly.
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If you're a fake,then why are you doing this?
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good news for you ts fans. a new number has come into play. right up his alley . my crystal ball says a redirect is in the near future. ;)
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What happened to TS...hmmm.
JMO, but...perhaps, in reading around in the forums, maybe TS has had his fill :x :roll: of demanding, judgmental, hostile, caustic girls, shouting down the others, here, and their vindictive censoring of new people he has sent here for their part to play in the Hoax drama.
Maybe he is regrouping to come up with a “treatment” for this. He has been very patient with this juvenile behavior, “all for love” I guess, giving folk a chance to see themselves in the mirror of others' reactions, and "make that change" respect/ , but sooner or later the shameful (hateful) behavior must be addressed in order to kill it...
P.S. You don't know that he is NOT here just WATCHIN' , or in PM, under yet another username. ;)
Perhaps he is recovering from thread after bloody thread of henfighting, and innocent casualties...Just sayin'. :)
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What happened to TS...hmmm.
JMO, but...perhaps, in reading around in the forums, maybe TS has had his fill :x :roll: of demanding, judgmental, hostile, caustic girls, shouting down the others, here, and their vindictive censoring of new people he has sent here for their part to play in the Hoax drama.
Maybe he is regrouping to come up with a “treatment” for this. He has been very patient with this juvenile behavior, “all for love” I guess, giving folk a chance to see themselves in the mirror of others' reactions, and "make that change" respect/ , but sooner or later the shameful (hateful) behavior must be addressed in order to kill it...
P.S. You don't know that he is NOT here just WATCHIN' , or in PM, under yet another username. ;)
Perhaps he is recovering from thread after bloody thread of henfighting, and innocent casualties...Just sayin'. :)
Its her, while I agree with much of what you just said, don't you think the bit I underlined might be rather too big an assumption? Not picking a fight you understand, just concerned about people getting carried away while not much else is happening.
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The point I want to make is Michael is simple.
Hello JentleTouch :D
You have some very interesting thoughts here, so IF the family is not in the know then it means that kids also?
And please take a look at this viewtopic.php?f=253&t=18958&hilit=the+simpsons (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=18958&hilit=the+simpsons) thread. I think that it's a very good example of showing that Michael was NOT simple :)
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What happened to TS...hmmm.
Maybe he is regrouping to come up with a “treatment” for this. He has been very patient with this juvenile behavior, “all for love” I guess, giving folk a chance to see themselves in the mirror of others' reactions, and "make that change" respect/ , but sooner or later the shameful (hateful) behavior must be addressed in order to kill it...
So have we all, not only TS. This forum has many members and we all are exposed to each other. Those who don´t post much have also their negative and positive opinions about us and no one takes that in consideration.
P.S. You don't know that he is NOT here just WATCHIN' , or in PM, under yet another username. ;)
Who cares? TS is another member. There are more members who don´t post as often yet no one cares for how they feel apparently.
This permanent idolatry of some members is very unrealistic.
Is there no middle point?
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...new people he has sent here for their part to play in the Hoax drama.
Its her, while I agree with much of what you just said, don't you think the bit I underlined might be rather too big an assumption? Not picking a fight you understand, just concerned about people getting carried away while not much else is happening.
Hi Curls,
I understand. I am concerned about people getting carried away, as well. :?
But, I think it is a bigger assumption to run people off as trouble makers or trolls in one or two pages of their first threads, here, as I have seen over and over. We don't even know them at all, yet.
And it is too big an assumption to think we know bow/ ANY of the plans MJ made for this hoax, and Hoax websites, or HOW he would get new clues/ thoughts to us.
(Any way he wants!!! :mrgreen: mj_bad/)
I'm not saying he IS using new people, but maybe---just a theory----maybe MJ saw the need to get people in here to "change the temperature " of things, and have a little more "hands on" ;) ;) ;) (directive) control over something, here...
IDK. I think new people (appointed by MJ) would be ideally useful, as they are, like pawns, not confined to a thread they started, as TS seems to be.
Half the people whine :oops: :roll: about HIM half the time, too, and perhaps he has lost his "power of usefulness" here. So, again, I think it is too much of an assumption that MJ would NOT do this. See? :)
I would think this would be part of TS'mental exercises that this investigation is giving us: how to determine THOUGHTFULLY, what's true/false, in all areas of life, without PREJUDICE...
If people had greeted me here (in 2009) with the rudeness and suspicion I see now, I would have just left. No one needs that. No one with any self respect would lay down for that in real life, why choose this for leisure time entertainment on an MJ site :?: :?: :?: .
If this Board isn't a happy, friendly, co-operative place, ALWAYS, the ONLY people who will come here, are the immature and bullies who love :twisted: to cyber-fight. Do you see what I mean?
Sincere people just NOW coming to beLIEve, because of Jermaine's or MJ's recent efforts, will run like mad from such hate. It is WAY easier to do something else, after you've worked or studied all day and want to relax with something interesting. Maybe just go back to a site where all they do is reminisce about how hot "dead" MJ was, until :) he comes back....
I dare say there are way more people than we think, here, maybe hundreds of thousands, just watching, for years, because they don't want to get devoured. Another mirror for us. Sad, some have not looked in.
We actually do not know who ANYone is, here. :shock: I think the Jermaine twitter episode was contrived to drive fresh blood here, BY the Great PuppetMaster, WITH the plan to INCLUDE everyone who ever loved and appreciated MJ--beLIEver or unbeLIEver in the Great Adventure and investigation. Not to draw people here just to EXCLUDE them.
If people think someone is a troll, simply watch albino/ and see. albino/ bounce/ If no one plays "troll" with them, they will get bored and go away. OR, maybe, they will convert to a real BeLIEver and want to stay for the right reasons. :D respect/
No one is MAKING people read or reply in ANY thread. If it makes anyone want to fight, just DON'T reply. It is SOOOOOO easy.
Oh, and the people here who think they are thread police need to rethink that. MJ, I AM POSITIVE, appointed NO one with the job of eliminating sincere potential Hoaxers from sites like this. Serial killers and pedophiles, being the exceptions. MJ meant to include ALL his fans in this Hoax. You KNOW it.
Some very wise person on here, already said it somewhere, that even perverts can't get at you if you stay away from them and keep your personal info private. Anyway, if you really think someone is honestly, realistically DANGEROUS, just report them and let Admin determine their intentions. Being suspected as potential pedophiles or sex offenders, erroneously, is NOT right.
It is evil, considering what we all know Michael Jackson, himself has been through!
Pervert's comments get sexual almost immediately. There has been no new person talking dirty here, unless it is in PM, has there? And we cannot know who is getting their twisted jollies, online with us anyway, whether they ever engage us in conversation or not, just ask any cop...Perverts hang around in live chat, more than semi-live forums.
Anyway, I hope you understand. I'm trying to remain open to whatever MJ has in the albino/ mix. bounce/ :) No questions for TS, right now, just bow/ to his patience. respect/
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If people had greeted me here (in 2009) with the rudeness and suspicion I see now, I would have just left. No one needs that.
I appreciate your honesty.
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New members come all the time and are warmly welcome. Some new members are old trolls. Those members who have been in this forum for long are observant enough to get to know step by step how "new" members write.
Another note; i am awared that old trolls spread bad rumors about members who are watching ever step they take. I don´t care as long as people is awared of what can go on with some sick MJ wanna be.
Read here the truth: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19283 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19283)
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so i am guessing by these conversations that tr is no more. i miss everything argue/ lolol/
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so i am guessing by these conversations that tr is no more. i miss everything argue/ lolol/
That would be the right thing to do
(but I just got home so I don't know).
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so i am guessing by these conversations that tr is no more. i miss everything argue/ lolol/
That would be the right thing to do
(but I just got home so I don't know).
seems like everytime i am not here poof- somebody- gone
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We are severely off topic lol.
I think It's Her posted something along the lines of why would TS want to come back to a bunch of bickering women and she has a good point. But I have long wondered that about TS. This bickering certainly isn't new. Ha.
Whatever, we all live in pretty close emotional quarters here. There's bound to be some skirmishes from time to time. We're humans, we're flawed. We are all still here so we must be doing something right *shrugging shoulders smiley* <---needed
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We are severely off topic lol.
I think It's Her posted something along the lines of why would TS want to come back to a bunch of bickering women and she has a good point. But I have long wondered that about TS. This bickering certainly isn't new. Ha.
Whatever, we all live in pretty close emotional quarters here. There's bound to be some skirmishes from time to time. We're humans, we're flawed. We are all still here so we must be doing something right *shrugging shoulders smiley* <---needed
Here is one for you Bec. ---> (http://i54.tinypic.com/14b17q9.jpg)
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so i am guessing by these conversations that tr is no more. i miss everything argue/ lolol/
Hi Suspicious mind!
No, he's still around. errrr Shakin' in his boots.
A wise man shakes off vipers and lives to laugh another day. 8-)
He said he was going back to the MotherShip for reinforcements (maybe a snake hook), or did he say refreshments...? bounce/ mj_dance/
Anyway, I never thought TR is TS, either, btw. The only question I have for TS, has been asked many times, and he already said he'd tell, eventually, but if he told us now, we wouldn't believe him. I believe it has to do with how MJ is going to shock the world, and if he told us now,
we would flip out, ourselves. The way he said it, I'd really rather put it off as long as possible, now. THAT scared me. errrr And you guys KNOW I think this is mostly all a fictional story MJ is writing. :?
As you said, TS doesn't enter threads he didn't start. I don't think it is "in the plan". We know TS does things like clockworks.
But he may answer the questions in his own thread(s), someday. If he wants to or MJ lets him. Remember? He would not discuss Tohme Tohme, when asked about him, at all. (They don't have their stories straight about this MJ-persona, yet. geek/ )
mj_dance/
He'll come back when it is Time. :ugeek:
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fresse/ I first thought TS was so kind that gave me the whole 2 pages of answers fresse/ , but it were only you guys with your off-topics again :lol: I don't mind at all bearhug
bec, it wasn't my impressions ( maybe only in a way of me picturing Michael ) but the rest were facts.
Anyways I don't want to be a pessimist and would rather wait for TS's reply. at least in a few words bow/
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Its her
As you said, TS doesn't enter threads he didn't start. I don't think it is "in the plan". We know TS does things like clockworks.
He'll come back when it is Time.
I really think that's it. He has a job to do, an assignment, I think directly from MJ. Just like Jermaine, Teddy Riley and all the rest, we can't pressure any of them to speed things up or say what we want them to say. There is way too much time, energy, money, genius invested in this hoax for TS just to drop us because he got upset at us bickering, or the trial being postponed. He even said once that the attacks against him don't really have any affect on him. MJ set something in motion, and NOTHING's going to stop it, like a ticking time-bomb, only the result will be for L.O.V.E. But I agree that the postponing of the trial may make him decide to spread out his posts or starting of threads/updates etc. I'm wondering if he doesn't want us to be so dependant on him, and keep it a little more on his terms not ours. I don't think he is just another member. MJ as an exceptional performer/magician mastered the art of stopping at the point of making the audience/fans crave for more.
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Its her
As you said, TS doesn't enter threads he didn't start. I don't think it is "in the plan". We know TS does things like clockworks.
He'll come back when it is Time.
I really think that's it. He has a job to do, an assignment, I think directly from MJ. Just like Jermaine, Teddy Riley and all the rest, we can't pressure any of them to speed things up or say what we want them to say. There is way too much time, energy, money, genius invested in this hoax for TS just to drop us because he got upset at us bickering, or the trial being postponed. He even said once that the attacks against him don't really have any affect on him. MJ set something in motion, and NOTHING's going to stop it, like a ticking time-bomb, only the result will be for L.O.V.E. But I agree that the postponing of the trial may make him decide to spread out his posts or starting of threads/updates etc. I'm wondering if he doesn't want us to be so dependant on him, and keep it a little more on his terms not ours. I don't think he is just another member. MJ as an exceptional performer/magician mastered the art of stopping at the point of making the audience/fans crave for more.
yeah the last time everybody freaked and thought we had deeply wounded him with our lack of idol worship respect/ :roll:
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We have been a group, united in a belief. We came together to find others with a similar feeling, that Michael was not dead. That he was hoaxing a death. That period is what we CAME here for.
That was a very long time ago. Long before we started to become investigators in even wanting to know a reason for Michael doing a hoax.
We simply wanted to know we were no crazy or alone with our feelings. Feelings that something was not right. Feelings that pieces simply did not fit.
Then, after finding each other and being satisfied with our knowledge that our feelings were right, we began to question the reasonings behind what were pieces not fitting and why Michael would be moved to do such an elaborate show.
Now, this was long before TS...or many others, or long before we had a need for others to give us answers. We simply needed camaraderie. But, after getting that feeling satisfied, the mystery began. In came others ready to supply inside info. Some came, some left. Some were right, some were wrong.
Now, we have/had TS. Generally, he's proven correct with information...some of it we already had.
We are beginning to have reached a point where we cannot move along without the clues/info we periodically got from TS. Even in this great thread on May 1st...where is seems TS has become another one to abandon us.
We need to either get back to working on TS request, as he really only leads us to ideas that brings us to reasonable, logical end of a road on many questions. GREAT. But, then, when TS or others leave, we just get off topic, stop debating or looking and tend to wait or just discuss where the person is to help/give clues went.
We can still find answers if we want them. Or just do what we came here to do. Wait for Michael to give the answers. The hope and knowledge of our feelings about Michael being alive don't rest in the return of anyone but Michael.
Love to you all and, TS...if you can help, GREAT. If not, we hope you are well and we appreciate the input from you and all the roads you took us down in our reassurance of our belief in Michael being alive.
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...new people he has sent here for their part to play in the Hoax drama.
Its her, while I agree with much of what you just said, don't you think the bit I underlined might be rather too big an assumption? Not picking a fight you understand, just concerned about people getting carried away while not much else is happening.
Hi Curls,
I understand. I am concerned about people getting carried away, as well. :?
But, I think it is a bigger assumption to run people off as trouble makers or trolls in one or two pages of their first threads, here, as I have seen over and over. We don't even know them at all, yet.
And it is too big an assumption to think we know bow/ ANY of the plans MJ made for this hoax, and Hoax websites, or HOW he would get new clues/ thoughts to us.
(Any way he wants!!! :mrgreen: mj_bad/)
I'm not saying he IS using new people, but maybe---just a theory----maybe MJ saw the need to get people in here to "change the temperature " of things, and have a little more "hands on" ;) ;) ;) (directive) control over something, here...
IDK. I think new people (appointed by MJ) would be ideally useful, as they are, like pawns, not confined to a thread they started, as TS seems to be.
Half the people whine :oops: :roll: about HIM half the time, too, and perhaps he has lost his "power of usefulness" here. So, again, I think it is too much of an assumption that MJ would NOT do this. See? :)
I would think this would be part of TS'mental exercises that this investigation is giving us: how to determine THOUGHTFULLY, what's true/false, in all areas of life, without PREJUDICE...
If people had greeted me here (in 2009) with the rudeness and suspicion I see now, I would have just left. No one needs that. No one with any self respect would lay down for that in real life, why choose this for leisure time entertainment on an MJ site :?: :?: :?: .
If this Board isn't a happy, friendly, co-operative place, ALWAYS, the ONLY people who will come here, are the immature and bullies who love :twisted: to cyber-fight. Do you see what I mean?
Sincere people just NOW coming to beLIEve, because of Jermaine's or MJ's recent efforts, will run like mad from such hate. It is WAY easier to do something else, after you've worked or studied all day and want to relax with something interesting. Maybe just go back to a site where all they do is reminisce about how hot "dead" MJ was, until :) he comes back....
I dare say there are way more people than we think, here, maybe hundreds of thousands, just watching, for years, because they don't want to get devoured. Another mirror for us. Sad, some have not looked in.
We actually do not know who ANYone is, here. :shock: I think the Jermaine twitter episode was contrived to drive fresh blood here, BY the Great PuppetMaster, WITH the plan to INCLUDE everyone who ever loved and appreciated MJ--beLIEver or unbeLIEver in the Great Adventure and investigation. Not to draw people here just to EXCLUDE them.
If people think someone is a troll, simply watch albino/ and see. albino/ bounce/ If no one plays "troll" with them, they will get bored and go away. OR, maybe, they will convert to a real BeLIEver and want to stay for the right reasons. :D respect/
No one is MAKING people read or reply in ANY thread. If it makes anyone want to fight, just DON'T reply. It is SOOOOOO easy.
Oh, and the people here who think they are thread police need to rethink that. MJ, I AM POSITIVE, appointed NO one with the job of eliminating sincere potential Hoaxers from sites like this. Serial killers and pedophiles, being the exceptions. MJ meant to include ALL his fans in this Hoax. You KNOW it.
Some very wise person on here, already said it somewhere, that even perverts can't get at you if you stay away from them and keep your personal info private. Anyway, if you really think someone is honestly, realistically DANGEROUS, just report them and let Admin determine their intentions. Being suspected as potential pedophiles or sex offenders, erroneously, is NOT right.
It is evil, considering what we all know Michael Jackson, himself has been through!
Pervert's comments get sexual almost immediately. There has been no new person talking dirty here, unless it is in PM, has there? And we cannot know who is getting their twisted jollies, online with us anyway, whether they ever engage us in conversation or not, just ask any cop...Perverts hang around in live chat, more than semi-live forums.
Anyway, I hope you understand. I'm trying to remain open to whatever MJ has in the albino/ mix. bounce/ :) No questions for TS, right now, just bow/ to his patience. respect/
ItsHer I totally agree with you.
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Just reminding TS not to skip the thread. moonwalk_/
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Recent discussions about TS or not TS or "why" or "when" leave me with the impression that we had a new star born that we seemingly long to find again. Could it be that TS, his presence, his activity, his "being there for us" became more important than the messages he provided? Would TS be just another VIP?
Reminds me of this:
[...]TS provides a lot of very valuable information and he is trying to avoid the Halo Effect.
What is the Halo Effect?
"The halo effect is a cognitive bias whereby the perception of one trait (i.e. a characteristic of a person or object) is influenced by the perception of another trait (or several traits) of that person or object. An example would be judging a good-looking person as more intelligent." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect
In other words, in the second we knew the identity of the messenger, the content of the message would change colour in our perception as would our valuation for it.
TS is undertaking an effort to neutralize as much as possible as a person and to step into backstage in order to get only the message into spotlight and erase the kind of stage around. This is not feasible to full extent since we are meeting on a certain background but it is a try.[...]
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733
If TS were a straight-lined character sticking to "message over messenger", he would - at a certain moment - discover the expectable: that he created a stage situation.
Any wannabe and any troll would likely adore to bathe in his followers and a pseudo-fame.
Anybody turning around and leaving will likely not need any followers and a pseudo-fame.
In addition we've had enough occurrences to have plans changed - so it is not astounding to have all communicators disappear, being silent. Maybe we could connect the dots here, too.
The fact that the kids are being put into a light of following Hollywood "main" stream is one of the dots IMO.
Musashi's Book of Water.
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I'm sitting here and I realize I have no questions for TS.
Not one question.
Like everything is crystal clear.
I can't wait for his come back penguin/
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Question?
What does TS mean? :lol: that fried my brain
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Its her
As you said, TS doesn't enter threads he didn't start. I don't think it is "in the plan". We know TS does things like clockworks.
He'll come back when it is Time.
I really think that's it. He has a job to do, an assignment, I think directly from MJ. Just like Jermaine, Teddy Riley and all the rest, we can't pressure any of them to speed things up or say what we want them to say. There is way too much time, energy, money, genius invested in this hoax for TS just to drop us because he got upset at us bickering, or the trial being postponed. He even said once that the attacks against him don't really have any affect on him. MJ set something in motion, and NOTHING's going to stop it, like a ticking time-bomb, only the result will be for L.O.V.E. But I agree that the postponing of the trial may make him decide to spread out his posts or starting of threads/updates etc. I'm wondering if he doesn't want us to be so dependant on him, and keep it a little more on his terms not ours. I don't think he is just another member. MJ as an exceptional performer/magician mastered the art of stopping at the point of making the audience/fans crave for more.
Yup. Agreed. :) And I think the greatest success of a teacher is that you don't need to continually lean on him, but that you GOT the lesson. It's yours forever, make teacher proud. 8-)
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MJonmind, your words that It'sHer quoted hit me as the truth. I believe you are correct.
In addition, I think it's clear, my hoax friends, we need to prove this, and we need prove it before he can come back.
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Its her
As you said, TS doesn't enter threads he didn't start. I don't think it is "in the plan". We know TS does things like clockworks.
He'll come back when it is Time.
I really think that's it. He has a job to do, an assignment, I think directly from MJ. Just like Jermaine, Teddy Riley and all the rest, we can't pressure any of them to speed things up or say what we want them to say. There is way too much time, energy, money, genius invested in this hoax for TS just to drop us because he got upset at us bickering, or the trial being postponed. He even said once that the attacks against him don't really have any affect on him. MJ set something in motion, and NOTHING's going to stop it, like a ticking time-bomb, only the result will be for L.O.V.E. But I agree that the postponing of the trial may make him decide to spread out his posts or starting of threads/updates etc. I'm wondering if he doesn't want us to be so dependant on him, and keep it a little more on his terms not ours. I don't think he is just another member. MJ as an exceptional performer/magician mastered the art of stopping at the point of making the audience/fans crave for more.
yeah the last time everybody freaked and thought we had deeply wounded him with our lack of idol worship respect/ :roll:
Yeah, he's not cowering in a corner, heck no! :roll: He reminds me of the latest portrayal of the Count of MonteCristo, moved by nothing, only verrrrry focused on The Plan.
In this case, with TS, focused on the Time/ "Schedule".
I just think, in that really long thread, if we were all "Little Darlings", instead of women with sharp tongues, MJ would have let him typing/ slip :) Souza a little note, to forward to us, poor, innocent, fragile, worried, sweety-pies that he had gotten held up on Official Hoax Business or something to JUST BE SWEET, BACK. It wouldn't've messed up the numerology or anything... :)
But, there IS no "back", no reciprocal due. No fragile women here. We are shovel armed, troll mashing, vixen. You beware, dude. :P :P :P mj_dance/ lolol/
Anyway, TS is doing exactly what he said, appearing according to :ugeek: Plan, on certain dates. He didn't say we OR our successes or failures would change the Plan, did he?
Well, then. :mrgreen:
Put the kettle on and wait. beerchug
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I don't have anything against TS, I don't know him and he does not know me. I feel we are all depended on this person. Can't we find the clues together? Instead wasting our time bickering with eachother, and fighting for no reason, let's go to work. We don't need TS, he is busy we cannot speculate for ever what happened with him. He is a busy person and has his priority straight. We found lots of clues without TS. Like I said I am not badmouthing TS. I just want for us to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and start moving our a.s.s.e.s. That is all. Mean time we should all focus on finding other clues without TS we are all grown ups and capable of doing it. Blessings.
p.s.wouldn't TS STAND FOR Tupac Shakur ??? just thinking.. They say he faked his death, can he be the one helping Michael??
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I don't have anything against TS, I don't know him and he does not know me. I feel we are all depended on this person. Can't we find the clues together? Instead wasting our time bickering with eachother, and fighting for no reason, let's go to work. We don't need TS, he is busy we cannot speculate for ever what happened with him. He is a busy person and has his priority straight. We found lots of clues without TS. Like I said I am not badmouthing TS. I just want for us to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and start moving our a.s.s.e.s. That is all. Mean time we should all focus on finding other clues without TS we are all grown ups and capable of doing it. Blessings.
p.s.wouldn't TS STAND FOR Tupac Shakur ??? just thinking.. They say he faked his death, can he be the one helping Michael??
mj_bad/ Agree with you...we should not depend on him/her to push us from behind the curtains....we gotta do things for our own... geek/ I did not help with investigations but here i found so many smart people and they don't have to just sit and wait for TS..they should continue...what if TS is a crook ? what will you guys do then? leave it all behind and whine? NO ! stand up and fight just the way you first started. elvis_/[youtube:34ubzerw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-u87agJunY[/youtube:34ubzerw]
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I don't have anything against TS, I don't know him and he does not know me. I feel we are all depended on this person. Can't we find the clues together? Instead wasting our time bickering with eachother, and fighting for no reason, let's go to work. We don't need TS, he is busy we cannot speculate for ever what happened with him. He is a busy person and has his priority straight. We found lots of clues without TS. Like I said I am not badmouthing TS. I just want for us to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and start moving our a.s.s.e.s. That is all. Mean time we should all focus on finding other clues without TS we are all grown ups and capable of doing it. Blessings.
p.s.wouldn't TS STAND FOR Tupac Shakur ??? just thinking.. They say he faked his death, can he be the one helping Michael??
mj_bad/ Agree with you...we should not depend on him/her to push us from behind the curtains....we gotta do things for our own... geek/ I did not help with investigations but here i found so many smart people and they don't have to just sit and wait for TS..they should continue...what if TS is a crook ? what will you guys do then? leave it all behind and whine? NO ! stand up and fight just the way you first started. elvis_/[youtube:2quvnzja]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-u87agJunY[/youtube:2quvnzja]
Thank you Papillon, we should work as a team, not bickering, no name calling, etc.. just find clues, whether they are great clues or just little clues, any clues are better then none. Unity my friends.
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Maybe TS is playing a prank on us, pulling his own hoax lol. Maybe he left clues in his posts about where he is :lol: :lol: or maybe its getting closer to MJ's return that he really wants to drive us crazy to where maybe we begin to look more desperately into everything. Without his help, we aren't completely lost. We don't NEED anybody, we are all capable of investigating. Some better than others, but we all participate and should build our self confidence up a bit more! Love you guys :D
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Question?
What does TS mean? :lol: that fried my brain
can it be Tupac Shakur ??? who knows???
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Question?
What does TS mean? :lol: that fried my brain
can it be Tupac Shakur ??? who knows???
I doubt that...
The Snake
The Seeker
The Secret
The Slave :lol:
The Sorrow
TutanShamone :lol: :lol: :lol: crash/
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Question?
What does TS mean? :lol: that fried my brain
can it be Tupac Shakur ??? who knows???
I doubt that...
The Snake
The Seeker
The Secret
The Slave :lol:
The Sorrow
TutanShamone :lol: :lol: :lol: crash/
Don't forget, Time Spent, and Time Scrapbooked. mj_dance/
There is also, The Sentinel..................It means------- :arrow:
ready??
:arrow:
:arrow:
:arrow:
:?
"The Watcher". oooooOOOOOooooooo Aaaaaaaaaaaaah :!: afraid/
8-) mj_dance/ bounce/ :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It's The Sign. He confirmed it with the PM he sent me.
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It's The Sign. He confirmed it with the PM he sent me.
Oh too bad, Tupac was cool.. lolol/ lolol/ so close and yet so far away lolol/ Thanks Purelove. I wish he could give us a sign to say he is alive
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It's The Sign. He confirmed it with the PM he sent me.
TS was sending PMs? :shock: WOW i never heard of that! That is so cool.
Side note: Just today i was telling a story of TS to a friend of mine and he made a joke about TS standing for Tupac Shakur. :lol: That was so weird, because that's the first time he heard about TS :?
He is a believer now ;). Before he was thinking that i'm crazy, but tonight i explained the reasons of why i'm a believer and he was so happy to hear that i'm actually talking about serious facts, not a made up fantasy stories! He might be joining our forum soon :D
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Tutan Shamone cracked me up!!! lolol/
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It's The Sign. He confirmed it with the PM he sent me.
TS was sending PMs? :shock: WOW i never heard of that! That is so cool.
Side note: Just today i was telling a story of TS to a friend of mine and he made a joke about TS standing for Tupac Shakur. :lol: That was so weird, because that's the first time he heard about TS :?
He is a believer now ;). Before he was thinking that i'm crazy, but tonight i explained the reasons of why i'm a believer and he was so happy to hear that i'm actually talking about serious facts, not a made up fantasy stories! He might be joining our forum soon :D
Kristina4love, I am so glad your friend thought like me.. lolol/
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Tutan Shamone cracked me up!!! lolol/
lolol/
It's funny ...if it's Michael behind that 'account' it cannot be " the sign" it has to be TutanShamone! mj_bad/ mj_dance/
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:lol: Sounds like Tutankhamun! Maybe TS truly comes from beyond the grave.
(http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30003693/2010/10/2010-10-07-15-29-31-1-tutankhamun-who-died-sometime-around-1324-bc-prob.jpeg)
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Tutan Shamone cracked me up!!! lolol/
:lol: Who said that? Tutan Shamone :lol:
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Tutan Shamone cracked me up!!! lolol/
:lol: Who said that? Tutan Shamone :lol:
I did... typing/ lolol/
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:lol: Sounds like Tutankhamun! Maybe TS truly comes from beyond the grave.
(http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30003693/2010/10/2010-10-07-15-29-31-1-tutankhamun-who-died-sometime-around-1324-bc-prob.jpeg)
That was my first thought maybe it has to do with Tutankamon
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So no June TIAI?! I hope TS is OK!!
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Maybe TS left it all behind moonwalk_/
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Michael's song, "D.S." was originally titled "T.S.". The song (one of my favorites) is about DA Tom Sneddon, who had tried multiple times to put Michael behind bars for a crime(s) he did not commit.
(http://www.juliensauctions.com/images/auctions/2009/music-icons/featured/michael-jackson-handwritten-ts-lyrics.jpg)
http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2009/music-icons/michael-jackson-40.html
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DS. instead of TS provided protection from defamation lawsuits
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DS. instead of TS provided protection from defamation lawsuits
We will never figure out what "hoax vs sting" really means in the case of MJ's disappearance, we don't know enough. As long as we are focusing on the court and the legal system, then we are on the right track. We are prohibited by law to know every detail, but there is still much to learn about the legal system and how it operates. Also, related stories to Mike and his trial are very important to pay attention to. What I'm posting below is important, read carefuly and visit the site to read the full story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Johnson_(boxer)
The "Fight of the Century"
In 1910, former undefeated heavyweight champion James J. Jeffries came out of retirement and said, "I feel obligated to the sporting public at least to make an effort to reclaim the heavyweight championship for the white race. . . . I should step into the ring again and demonstrate that a white man is king of them all."[6] Jeffries had not fought in six years and had to lose weight to get back to his championship fighting weight.[6]
The fight took place on July 4, 1910 in front of 20,000 people, at a ring built just for the occasion in downtown Reno, Nevada. Johnson proved stronger and more nimble than Jeffries. In the 15th round, after Jeffries had been knocked down twice for the first time in his career, his people called it quits to prevent Johnson from knocking him out.
The "Fight of the Century" earned Johnson $65,000 and silenced the critics, who had belittled Johnson's previous victory over Tommy Burns as "empty," claiming that Burns was a false champion since Jeffries had retired undefeated.
[edit] Riots and aftermath
The outcome of the fight triggered race riots that evening—the Fourth of July—all across the United States, from Texas and Colorado to New York and Washington, D.C. Johnson's victory over Jeffries had dashed white dreams of finding a "great white hope" to defeat him. Many whites felt humiliated by the defeat of Jeffries.[1]
Blacks, on the other hand, were jubilant, and celebrated Johnson's great victory as a victory for racial advancement. Black poet William Waring Cuney later highlighted the black reaction to the fight in his poem "My Lord, What a Morning". Around the country, blacks held spontaneous parades and gathered in prayer meetings.
Some "riots" were simply blacks celebrating in the streets. In certain cities, like Chicago, the police did not disturb the celebrations. But in other cities, the police and angry white citizens tried to subdue the revelers. Police interrupted several attempted lynchings. In all, "riots" occurred in more than 25 states and 50 cities. About 23 blacks and two whites died in the riots, and hundreds more were injured.[7]
Prison sentenceOn October 18, 1912, Johnson was arrested on the grounds that his relationship with Lucille Cameron violated the Mann Act against "transporting women across state lines for immoral purposes" due to her being a prostitute. Cameron, soon to become his second wife, refused to cooperate and the case fell apart. Less than a month later, Johnson was arrested again on similar charges. This time, the woman, another prostitute named Belle Schreiber, with whom he had been involved in 1909 and 1910, testified against him. In the courtroom of Kenesaw Mountain Landis, ironically the future Commissioner of Baseball where he perpetuated the baseball color line until his death, Johnson was convicted by an all-white jury in June 1913,[14] despite the fact that the incidents used to convict him took place prior to passage of the Mann Act.[1] He was sentenced to a year and a day in prison.
Johnson skipped bail and left the country, joining Lucille in Montreal on June 25, before fleeing to France. For the next seven years, they lived in exile in Europe, South America and Mexico. Johnson returned to the U.S. on July 20, 1920. He surrendered to Federal agents at the Mexican border and was sent to the United States Penitentiary, Leavenworth to serve his sentence September 1920 as Inmate #15461.[15]
While incarcerated, Johnson found need for a tool that would help tighten loosened fastening devices, and modified a wrench for the task. He patented his improvements on April 18, 1922, as US Patent 1,413,121.[16][17] He was released on July 9, 1921.[1]
There have been recurring proposals to grant Johnson a posthumous presidential pardon. A bill requesting President George W. Bush to pardon Johnson in 2008, passed the House,[18] but failed to pass in the Senate.[19] In April 2009, Senator John McCain, along with Representative Peter King, filmmaker Ken Burns and Johnson's great-niece, Linda Haywood, requested a presidential pardon for Johnson from President Barack Obama.[20] On July 29, 2009, Congress passed a resolution calling on President Obama to issue a pardon.[21]
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DS. instead of TS provided protection from defamation lawsuits
We will never figure out what "hoax vs sting" really means in the case of MJ's disappearance, we don't know enough. As long as we are focusing on the court and the legal system, then we are on the right track. We are prohibited by law to know every detail, but there is still much to learn about the legal system and how it operates. Also, related stories to Mike and his trial are very important to pay attention to. What I'm posting below is important, read carefuly and visit the site to read the full story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Johnson_(boxer)
The "Fight of the Century"
In 1910, former undefeated heavyweight champion James J. Jeffries came out of retirement and said, "I feel obligated to the sporting public at least to make an effort to reclaim the heavyweight championship for the white race. . . . I should step into the ring again and demonstrate that a white man is king of them all."[6] Jeffries had not fought in six years and had to lose weight to get back to his championship fighting weight.[6]
The fight took place on July 4, 1910 in front of 20,000 people, at a ring built just for the occasion in downtown Reno, Nevada. Johnson proved stronger and more nimble than Jeffries. In the 15th round, after Jeffries had been knocked down twice for the first time in his career, his people called it quits to prevent Johnson from knocking him out.
The "Fight of the Century" earned Johnson $65,000 and silenced the critics, who had belittled Johnson's previous victory over Tommy Burns as "empty," claiming that Burns was a false champion since Jeffries had retired undefeated.
[edit] Riots and aftermath
The outcome of the fight triggered race riots that evening—the Fourth of July—all across the United States, from Texas and Colorado to New York and Washington, D.C. Johnson's victory over Jeffries had dashed white dreams of finding a "great white hope" to defeat him. Many whites felt humiliated by the defeat of Jeffries.[1]
Blacks, on the other hand, were jubilant, and celebrated Johnson's great victory as a victory for racial advancement. Black poet William Waring Cuney later highlighted the black reaction to the fight in his poem "My Lord, What a Morning". Around the country, blacks held spontaneous parades and gathered in prayer meetings.
Some "riots" were simply blacks celebrating in the streets. In certain cities, like Chicago, the police did not disturb the celebrations. But in other cities, the police and angry white citizens tried to subdue the revelers. Police interrupted several attempted lynchings. In all, "riots" occurred in more than 25 states and 50 cities. About 23 blacks and two whites died in the riots, and hundreds more were injured.[7]
Prison sentenceOn October 18, 1912, Johnson was arrested on the grounds that his relationship with Lucille Cameron violated the Mann Act against "transporting women across state lines for immoral purposes" due to her being a prostitute. Cameron, soon to become his second wife, refused to cooperate and the case fell apart. Less than a month later, Johnson was arrested again on similar charges. This time, the woman, another prostitute named Belle Schreiber, with whom he had been involved in 1909 and 1910, testified against him. In the courtroom of Kenesaw Mountain Landis, ironically the future Commissioner of Baseball where he perpetuated the baseball color line until his death, Johnson was convicted by an all-white jury in June 1913,[14] despite the fact that the incidents used to convict him took place prior to passage of the Mann Act.[1] He was sentenced to a year and a day in prison.
Johnson skipped bail and left the country, joining Lucille in Montreal on June 25, before fleeing to France. For the next seven years, they lived in exile in Europe, South America and Mexico. Johnson returned to the U.S. on July 20, 1920. He surrendered to Federal agents at the Mexican border and was sent to the United States Penitentiary, Leavenworth to serve his sentence September 1920 as Inmate #15461.[15]
While incarcerated, Johnson found need for a tool that would help tighten loosened fastening devices, and modified a wrench for the task. He patented his improvements on April 18, 1922, as US Patent 1,413,121.[16][17] He was released on July 9, 1921.[1]
There have been recurring proposals to grant Johnson a posthumous presidential pardon. A bill requesting President George W. Bush to pardon Johnson in 2008, passed the House,[18] but failed to pass in the Senate.[19] In April 2009, Senator John McCain, along with Representative Peter King, filmmaker Ken Burns and Johnson's great-niece, Linda Haywood, requested a presidential pardon for Johnson from President Barack Obama.[20] On July 29, 2009, Congress passed a resolution calling on President Obama to issue a pardon.[21]
Starting at 8:25 in Part 1, Charles Thomson (http://www.charles-thomson.net/about-jackson.html) compares the false allegations and trial of Michael to those of Jack Johnson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vkwknqsdY
[youtube:zc8jvorx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vkwknqsdY[/youtube:zc8jvorx]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSLzmEezntE&feature=related
[youtube:zc8jvorx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSLzmEezntE&feature=related[/youtube:zc8jvorx]
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
I doubt our TS is THAT TS :evil: . If he is, we're in big trouble. errrr
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
I doubt our TS is THAT TS :evil: . If he is, we're in big trouble. errrr
I think i asked that (if i remember correctly ) and he/she said he/she ain't Tom Sneddon fresse/
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
I doubt our TS is THAT TS :evil: . If he is, we're in big trouble. errrr
hi there moon. any chance you have the speech your signature pic is from?
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OMG! He still did not answer the question? I guess he did vanish on thin air.. I hope he is doing well..
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
I doubt our TS is THAT TS :evil: . If he is, we're in big trouble. errrr
hi there moon. any chance you have the speech your signature pic is from?
You can see the video on youtube. It's called Michael Jackson Japan, and the person/account who uploaded it is named jimmcgee63. Michael had visited Camp Zama in Japan in 2007. Other people have posted the video too, but I watched this version. Hope this helps!
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Tutan Shamone cracked me up!!! lolol/
:lol: Who said that? Tutan Shamone :lol:
I did... typing/ lolol/
You are the BOMB! lolol/
bearhug
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Maybe TS left it all behind moonwalk_/
How could he leave the hoax behind IF he is related with MJ? Even if he was sick or too busy, wouldn't someone come to the forum and inform us about the situation? Would Michael leave us alone now after giving all the info with TS during the past 1,5 years? OR maybe the family asked TS to stop posting but still wouldn't he make a last post at least to let us know what's really going on? I don't know what to make of it really. I'm confused about TS at this point. I do hope he comes back when the trial begins but wouldn't it be too late? I personally would be pissed off if he doesn't make a single post during all summer and then come up again with the trial. He might have gone to vacation, or left the hoax behind, sick or busy, whatever the situation is, he could make a single short post and let us know what's going on. IF he doesn't make any posts again, it means to me that TS was just another believer who was writing his own theories and with Jermaine's tweets, he left the hoax behind or couldn't find what to write after all, and he didn't have enough courage to come to the forum and confess that he wasn't related with MJ. This can be the only explanation of his sudden disappearance if he doesn't make a post and explain it.
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He will be back. You just have to have faith. You know he will be, we are just tired of waiting... for everything, but TS will be back.
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
I doubt our TS is THAT TS :evil: . If he is, we're in big trouble. errrr
hi there moon. any chance you have the speech your signature pic is from?
[youtube:2fiu3s89]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqYPyxsSH0Y&feature=related[/youtube:2fiu3s89]
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Tutan Shamone cracked me up!!! lolol/
:lol: Who said that? Tutan Shamone :lol:
I did... typing/ lolol/
You are the BOMB! lolol/
bearhug
bearhug bearhug
I don't think TS was related to MJ...that's my opinion don't throw rocks at me.. mj_bad/
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Maybe TS left it all behind moonwalk_/
How could he leave the hoax behind IF he is related with MJ? Even if he was sick or too busy, wouldn't someone come to the forum and inform us about the situation? Would Michael leave us alone now after giving all the info with TS during the past 1,5 years? OR maybe the family asked TS to stop posting but still wouldn't he make a last post at least to let us know what's really going on? I don't know what to make of it really. I'm confused about TS at this point. I do hope he comes back when the trial begins but wouldn't it be too late? I personally would be pissed off if he doesn't make a single post during all summer and then come up again with the trial. He might have gone to vacation, or left the hoax behind, sick or busy, whatever the situation is, he could make a single short post and let us know what's going on. IF he doesn't make any posts again, it means to me that TS was just another believer who was writing his own theories and with Jermaine's tweets, he left the hoax behind or couldn't find what to write after all, and he didn't have enough courage to come to the forum and confess that he wasn't related with MJ. This can be the only explanation of his sudden disappearance if he doesn't make a post and explain it.
Purelove, Did TS ever confirmed that he was related to MJ? You are writing as if he adimitted it. I think this is just a normal fan, like you and me and everyone else in this forum. He probably has more knowledge in law.. TS is probably busy, or he lost interest.
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D.S.=Detective Sneddon
T.S.=Tom Sneddon
I doubt our TS is THAT TS :evil: . If he is, we're in big trouble. errrr
hi there moon. any chance you have the speech your signature pic is from?
[youtube:37smrxge]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqYPyxsSH0Y&feature=related[/youtube:37smrxge]
Wow! Michael is so beautiful and charming in this video! It's so good to see him smiling and getting the love of people.
I really wanted to see it again this way!
About TS, I begin to believe that he is just a fan disappointed with the delay in the trial and with Jermaine twitters! There is no other explanation.
Michael .. where are you? Will we ever discover the truth?
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Just some thoughts..
Is it, that TS is taking such a long pause, because it might be interesting to know for MJ how the believers/TS fans would react on TS’ long absence? Interesting to see how independently creative the believers would be, without the lead of TS? May be TS’ interesting and challenging feeds also attracted too many trolls/fake believers since TS’ redirects became popular (I guessed, I don’t know the statistics, Souza would probably know). TS’ absence and the striking silence of TMZ and Jermaine’s hoax related tweets could have the effect of a lost of some believers, who lost faith and/or patience, yet also an intentional decrease of trolls and fakers, because they got bored and lost interest, with a result of a selective group of believers who are even more motivated and determined to solve TS’ puzzles when he returns.
Btw: TS = The Sender (from The Source =MJ)?
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Just some thoughts..
Is it, that TS is taking such a long pause, because it might be interesting to know for MJ how the believers/TS fans would react on TS’ long absence? Interesting to see how independently creative the believers would be, without the lead of TS? May be TS’ interesting and challenging feeds also attracted too many trolls/fake believers since TS’ redirects became popular (I guessed, I don’t know the statistics, Souza would probably know). TS’ absence and the striking silence of TMZ and Jermaine’s hoax related tweets could have the effect of a lost of some believers, who lost faith and/or patience, yet also an intentional decrease of trolls and fakers, because they got bored and lost interest, with a result of a selective group of believers who are even more motivated and determined to solve TS’ puzzles when he returns.
Btw: TS = The Sender (from The Source =MJ)?
I think this is not the normal course of hoax. If it is a farce and if there is a return, I think the goal was to attract more people to discover the truth and not make the fans suffer so much disappointment and give up after almost two years.
I do not understand! confused/ confused/ confused/
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Just some thoughts..
Is it, that TS is taking such a long pause, because it might be interesting to know for MJ how the believers/TS fans would react on TS’ long absence? Interesting to see how independently creative the believers would be, without the lead of TS? May be TS’ interesting and challenging feeds also attracted too many trolls/fake believers since TS’ redirects became popular (I guessed, I don’t know the statistics, Souza would probably know). TS’ absence and the striking silence of TMZ and Jermaine’s hoax related tweets could have the effect of a lost of some believers, who lost faith and/or patience, yet also an intentional decrease of trolls and fakers, because they got bored and lost interest, with a result of a selective group of believers who are even more motivated and determined to solve TS’ puzzles when he returns.
Btw: TS = The Sender (from The Source =MJ)?
I think this is not the normal course of hoax. If it is a farce and if there is a return, I think the goal was to attract more people to discover the truth and not make the fans suffer so much disappointment and give up after almost two years.
I do not understand! confused/ confused/ confused/
Sorry for creating confusion, that surely wasn't my intention. They were just thoughts, which can be totally different of the real reason of TS' absence. The reason can be a much less complicated one than what I described (on vacation :)) It is not my purpose to disappoint or demotivate believers and give up after almost 2 years, believe me. It is possible that some get demotivated because of TS' absence, that is their choice. May be it's also a small part of the hoax to follow the reactions of believers and non believers. I think there must be a good reason that there is a pause. I should have added 'keep the faith', I admit my post gave perhaps a little negative impression, which wasn't meant to be.
Keep the faith! All for L.O.V.E.
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I think there must be a good reason that there is a pause
Yes and i believe the good reason is Jermaine asking people to stop hoax talk. I don't know if he meant forever or if now it's just not a good moment, but i think TS followed this message and i appreciate that. I wish i could do the same :oops: but my posts are not as interesting as TS so i think i'm not hurting anyone with my knowledge. :lol: TS is a very listened voice in this hoax and the demands , decisions and expectations are higher. I don't know who TS is or if he'll ever post on this forum, but what i see is that now he respects Jermaine's request (i don't think it's a coincidence), which is admirable. But if he wants, he can share some minutes to just drop by and say hello. To tell members, see you in september or whenever the time is right. And if he retires because hoax talk is indeed dangerous now, to tell us because it's important for us to know too. We have to make sure we are also not hurting Michael.
So, maybe you can give us a "personal" message soon, no hoax talk if that's an issue. ;)
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He would if what we do here hurt Michael, aka the hoax talk really needed to stop. I am sure of that. Deduce from that at will.
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This is like a pregnant pause. Time to rest up. Delivery is coming up. Time to conserve one's energy.
This is how I think.
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He would if what we do here hurt Michael, aka the hoax talk really needed to stop.
Then, is this not the reason he's absent?
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I am wondering, if Jermaine ordered us to stop with the hoax, because we are to close for comfort. Meaning, this may harm Michael, in so many ways. Remember anybody can come here and read what we are posting, this forum is not like other forum that you have to join first to read what is going on. I think we may be harming Michael only for our needs, to know if he is alive and well. If we are all here, is because we all know in our hearts that he is alive, but we need concrete proof.. I just worry about Michael. Just a feeling I have. blessings.
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Purelove, Did TS ever confirmed that he was related to MJ? You are writing as if he adimitted it. I think this is just a normal fan, like you and me and everyone else in this forum. He probably has more knowledge in law.. TS is probably busy, or he lost interest.
He wrote many times that he is related with MJ and the Jacksons. I'm sure you can find more if you read TS' updates. I don't want to copy and paste all of them here.
TIAI Revealed, Part 3: Purpose of TIAI (R1 - R7)
R1. MichealJacksonHoaxDeath.com
This was the very first redirect. This was chosen to show connection of TIAI with MJ and the hoax (and at the time, MJHD was the largest hoax forum).
2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on MLK Day
Here is their tweet: “if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” {8:38 PM Jan 18th from web; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787)}.
First of all, we need to understand both the time and the subject context of this tweet. The date was January 18, 2010—which was of course MLK Day; and indeed they knew what day it was, as can be clearly seen in two earlier tweets that day {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910852947; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080)}. This was also one day after the final Jackson Reality Show, which ended with a visit to Forest Lawn {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=82}.
The tweets both before and after the “revealed” tweet were all on the subject of the Reality Show, and especially the ending about MJ. Some of the tweets even mention MJ specifically {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS; click “more” at the bottom of the page, until you get to January 18 tweets}.
So the context of this “revealed” tweet is clearly about MJ. The next step is to understand that this tweet is in response to hoax believers (“if u don't think our emotion is real”). Hoaxers have been saying all along, that a huge evidence of the hoax is the lack of tears from the family at the memorial and burial, etc. Surely, they are not ignorant of this.
And what could they possibly be responding to, other than the hoax—could it be that they were responding to accusations that their emotions were not real, because they don’t care that MJ is dead? Who would say such a thing? And even if someone was cold enough to say that, why would they even bother to respond? Worse yet, why would they respond by saying that the media lies?? Has the media been trying to convince people (falsely), that the Jackson family’s emotions are not real???
Sorry, but the statement about emotions and media lying doesn’t make sense, unless they were referring to the hoax theory. So this tweet was in response to hoax believers; and believers themselves have recognized this fact, in threads such as this one: “Jacksons address hoax!!” {posted by dirtydiana2009; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... =17&t=3783 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3783)}. Since this is the most direct statement yet, from the family, about hoax believers: this tweet deserves thorough investigation.
The part about their “emotion is real” does not specifically say emotion from MJ dying; it could be emotion from the pain that the media lies have caused, etc (media lies are mentioned in this tweet, MJ death is not mentioned in this tweet). And in fact, even the hoax itself is painful for MJ (he knows that it has hurt the fans, and that hurts him; also, he wants to return as much or more than his fans want him to return).
Primarily, though, we need to examine the last half of this tweet: “see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”. Notice the very clear plural usage: “see truths [plural] when they [plural] are [plural] revealed to you”. If MJ really were dead, and this is all that they were trying to say, then why the plural? Why wouldn’t it be “see the truth [MJ is dead] when it is revealed”?
And again, why the reference to the media lying?? If the Jacksons know that MJ is really dead, and this is what they are referring to here, then why wouldn’t they be supporting media “truth” (reports that MJ is dead)?? And why the phrase “ur eyes don’t lie”? We have never seen any dead body; so “ur eyes don’t lie” can’t possibly mean that our eyes have already seen for ourselves that MJ is really dead.
The only conclusion which makes sense, is that the Jacksons tweet mentioned “truths” about the hoax—and our eyes don’t lie regarding these things. This also fits the statement about the media lies—the media is not telling the truth about the hoax, they are saying that MJ is dead (but our eyes can see the hoax).
Now let’s take it a step further. Since this is clearly referring to truths about the hoax: why did they use the word “revealed”? Why not use some other word, such as “see truths when they r shown to you”? Or “recognize truths when they r seen by you”? Or any of several other ways to say it?
Do you suppose that they were entirely ignorant of TIAI Revealed—which was posted nearly a month before 1-18, and Part 1 had about 11,000 views by 1-18? Also, TIAI Revealed Update #1 was posted one week before 1-18, and had about 15,000 views by 1-18. Few if any posts on this forum have more views. If any of the Jacksons were paying any attention whatsoever to the hoax forums, then surely they were already aware of TIAI Revealed, on 1-18.
For the sake of TIAI doubters, let’s say that TIAI is not really MJ’s message. Don’t you think in that case, the Jacksons would avoid any hint of support for TIAI—and maybe even give hints against it? Yet instead of that, they use the very word “revealed” in this tweet, the statement which is the clearest statement yet from them about the hoax; and they refer to the things “revealed” as “truths” that “ur eyes” can and should “see”.
Not only did they use the word “revealed”, but they also referred to the media lies—which is one of the main themes in TIAI. Notice that TIAI Revealed, Part 7, even has the word media in the title: “NWO Powers Control the Mass Media”; and redirect #9 has the title: “9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media”.
Last but not least: why was this tweet given on January 18, MLK Day? Do you think that they knew nothing about the MLK connections with the hoax (They Don’t Really Care About Us?)—and do you think they were totally unaware of TIAI Update #1 (with 15,000 views), and the things in there about January 18???
So we have here a clear Jackson statement about the hoax, using the word “revealed”, and referring to media lies—and it was even done on January 18, MLK Day! Either these things are more TIAI “coincidences” (added to all the previous ones), or else they were giving clues about TIAI.
Well, how much clearer of a clue do you want? Do they need to spell out the domain for you: http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com? (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com?)? Be assured, that will not happen before MJ comes back (it would be too big of a hint about the hoax). In fact, don’t be too surprised if they don’t say anything directly even after MJ comes back—surely you can understand why, due to the nature of the subjects involved.
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viewtopic.php?f=125&t=3391#p52818 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=3391#p52818)
I hope these answers from TS back last year will be some help. Read the whole update. Almost every question on this last page should be answered when you read the following chosen quotes from Update #1.
TS didn't loose interest in this hoax, in fact he may actually be observing our reactions to things going on and is letting the dust settle before responding. Part of the return does depend on us and how much we understand this hoax and MJ's message. TS is not a fan or regular hoaxer. He has said who he is many times even if in a cryptic way. Read between the lines, really understand words written.
We were asked to do some simple tasks to get in sync with each other. We are supposed strengthen our beliefs and never let any news make you waver. Stay strong and have faith is what we are supposed to learn. The tasks asked by TS was to try and have us gain strength in debates, analysing information and pick evidence apart. If we found out this is a hoax than we need solid evidence to prove it to the doubters when they come.
I think part of the delay in Murray's case is to allow the prosecution a lil bit more time to find out this is a sting court. I think the DA's office should find out. They got fooled hook, line and sinker. I say partially to allow them some more time to catch on. Some reasons I am sure are because of the way lawyers, courts and judges do things for everyones convenience and to allow the defendant the most fair trial. We essentially have acted as a mock jury. We have analysed the evidence and we have debated the evidence. We have in the last 4 threads started by TS torn apart the case and rebuilt it. We are the mock jury reactions of the few that will pretty much show TS how the public will react when MJ returns.
Gotta be extra careful especially when your MJ. He has many worries over his life being threatened. Whenever your ready MJ. I haven't lost faith. Peace typing/
moonwalk_/
1-2. The Timing of TIAI Update #1
Quoting from TIAI Revealed, Part 1: “For the most part, I will not be involved personally in the discussions; but I will occasionally answer objections to what I am revealing now.”
I knew that there would be objections; and (as stated above) I was planning on giving time for people to read all 9 parts, and let the dust settle, before responding to anyone. In fact, some hoax believers were able to answer many of the objections, without any direct help from TIAI—which shows that in many cases the truth is not so hard to find, if you really want to know it.
1-4. Why Do You Believe the Hoax?
It’s true that a few things can happen by random coincidence; but when they keep piling one on top of another, that’s when you say it can’t all be a coincidence. In fact, this is one of the main reasons why so many believe in the MJ hoax—because there are too many “coincidences”. And if you are going to dismiss all the TIAI evidence as merely “coincidences”: then why don’t you dismiss the MJ hoax “coincidences” as well?
So we will review the TIAI (and STUDY) “coincidences”, all of which are backed up with very solid evidence. For those who want to continue opposing TIAI, you are more than welcome to do so as long as your opposition is based on solid evidence—not mere ridicule, or shallow complaints, etc. And also please step up to the plate, and explain all of these “coincidences”—instead of just ignoring them, and pretending that they don’t exist. And if you think anything is incorrect, then please document why it is wrong. People shouldn’t be expected to trust what you say, merely because you say it—anymore than people should be expected to trust what TIAI says, without solid evidence.
1-7. Why Would the “Return” Depend on Hoaxers?
Several have asked: why would the timing of the MJ return be dependent (at least partly) upon few thousand hoax believers, and their understanding/accepting the TIAI information? A simple answer is that the reaction of the few before the return, can be a pretty good indicator of the reaction of the many after the return.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1991.
But think about it. After returning, MJ can speak publicly about the environment and other issues related to healing the world; but with some aspects, well I think you can figure things out. As soon as MJ returns, there will be a stampede on all the hoax forums; there will be tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, suddenly interested in what we have been investigating and saying all along. So if we hoax believers now are united on the reasons for the hoax: it will be much more effective when others come asking questions, than if we are all confused and disagreeing on the reasons for the hoax.
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I wrote about this before. I do believe that TS-TMZ-Dodo are all related with each other. They're in the know of the hoax. And they all suddenly stopped giving out clues. Teddy Riley did the same too and he wrote that he signed an agreement so he could not talk any more about the hoax. Now I'm wondering if whatever or whoever silenced Teddy, is it the same who silenced TS and Dodo too? Maybe the family asked TS to stop posting, at least for a while. And that is the reason why TS couldn't even make an explanation. I personally do not believe TS would leave the hoax behind all of a sudden after almost 2 years. He worked so hard to make those updates and posts. He has a huge effort on this forum. He wouldn't leave it with an eye blink just after we started to talk about the Sting Operation. I feel that there is something going on. I don't know what it is but I feel that TS was asked to stop. At least for a while and hopefully TS comes back when the trial begins.
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Has TS ever been so long absent?
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I am keeping the faith and will continue. I know that many who are involved have their roles to play and although TS and others have given a lot of information and clues to this hoax I don't go on every word others say but what I feel and all the evidence that has been exposed since 06/25/09. I feel that TS has done what he/she was supposed to do and now it is up to us to figure out the clues and pieces of the puzzle on our own. He has laid out all the pieces now we have to put them all together to get the real picture. He has done his part I feel and his role is basically complete. Just my thought.
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Has TS ever been so long absent?
That's what i was about to ask :)
Since i missed most of the TIAI redirects, Is this the longest TS has been absent?
1 month and 4 days now :|
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I'm so confused!
On the one hand, if TS is just playing with our minds, or if he is a believer just wanting attention, he would not miss the chance to come here and be hailed as a hero.
If TS post again here, your posts will be seen and discussed by thousands of fans. For many here, too renew the hope and faith in the hoax.
But if he don't comes, must be several reasons. He wants to punish us for being so rude to him after the post in May, may have been asked by the family, or he is too busy or he simply has nothing more to show us yet!
I thought he gave a step too far, jumping from the ambulance ride to the courthouse, there are other things involved that we could have discussed before, how the experience of UCLA, for example.
TS has posted a monthly basis since February, March, April and May. Will he not come in June?
TS, you can come here and finish this story and just tell us to forget himself and that you will not talk any more about the hoax. A line of your post would be enough to end this useless waiting. Have mercy!
Does we deserve to be so punished? confused/
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It makes me sad when people lose faith because of TS leaving, whether temporarily or permanent. We are all very bright individuals and don't NEED TS. Codepencency is a terrible personality trait to have, so I would suggest to some of you to try and think on your own. All of the evidence of Michael being alive, Teddy's tweet saying this is out of our control, these things should comfort you and eliminate any doubts. TS is not MJ, even if he is a knower and an insider, he still wouldn't have access to everything Mike knows (IMO). The hoax slowing down isn't something to freak out over. Most of us are on here everyday, that will make time go by very slowly. You can't expect something big to happen every single day, come on. Mike has created a world of escapism and fantasy with his music, dance, short films and movies. But the hoax is 100% reality. Some illusions for fun or to ward off any leeches, but the actual hoax is real and I'm sure will have much more ups and downs than this.
and at this point, its not about if MJ is alive. Its if MJ is safe. I hope security is tight!!
[youtube:mojd6i2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPQ58EcqfM[/youtube:mojd6i2r]
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Has TS ever been so long absent?
That's what i was about to ask :)
Since i missed most of the TIAI redirects, Is this the longest TS has been absent?
1 month and 4 days now :|
This is the first time TS has gone this long.
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I'm so confused!
On the one hand, if TS is just playing with our minds, or if he is a believer just wanting attention, he would not miss the chance to come here and be hailed as a hero.
If TS post again here, your posts will be seen and discussed by thousands of fans. For many here, too renew the hope and faith in the hoax.
But if he don't comes, must be several reasons. He wants to punish us for being so rude to him after the post in May, may have been asked by the family, or he is too busy or he simply has nothing more to show us yet!
I thought he gave a step too far, jumping from the ambulance ride to the courthouse, there are other things involved that we could have discussed before, how the experience of UCLA, for example.
TS has posted a monthly basis since February, March, April and May. Will he not come in June?
TS, you can come here and finish this story and just tell us to forget himself and that you will not talk any more about the hoax. A line of your post would be enough to end this useless waiting. Have mercy!
Does we deserve to be so punished? confused/
It's definitely not about punishing us. TS was even called The Shit but he still kept on making posts. This is something else. I do believe that he was silenced, probably by the family. Just like Teddy and Dodo bird.
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Yes, indirectly.
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This is TS´s message to us
(http://www.free-smileys-free.com/images/holidays/labor_day_smileys.gif)
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Not to seem "kind of a drag", but what is with this THE FAMILY SILENCED THEM? What? Who exactly? Cause some of us on here know and believe that Michael Joe Jackson is alive - so wouldn't he be the one to silence anyone that needed to be silenced?
Where is the disconnect with some that they can't seem to keep DOTS connected? MJ doesn't live in a cave - cage - Antarctica, Siberia or Mars. He is probably in Las Vegas most of the time and at Diana's part of the time. He has cell phones, LAN lines, computers, Skype and on and on. Why would MJ need his family to pull the plug on TS or anyone else? He can speak and give direction out of his own mouth. The family has limited (delegated by MJ) power in this hoax. This is hissens (MJ's) hoax to unfold. I don't think he is hiding out for his life either - as his family and children seem happy go lucky and have since 6-25-09. They are all free to come and go w/o fear. This tells me that they all live in freedom - as Prince had that word on his arm. They are awakened for real and so happy about it.
I wonder what truly is in the hearts of people that act as if they have no imagination and can't seem to fathom that MJ is in the loop and is in "CONTROL." Are they closeted non-believers?
MJ is not dead. He is not in Forest Lawn in some mausoleum. He can travel in disguise. He is the MASTER at that craft now. No one can touch nor stop him as he's all over the place, boy. He has the greatest and latest technology - so I don't see a problem.
i don't see a problem with TS being gone either; albeit some seem to think he is the key to what..............................exactly? I asked Souza to delete TS's posts and see how many people stopped dropping in here, but I knew that wasn't going to happen as he does know something - because of the numerology that he showed belonged to Michael.
TS may be Marlon, and/or he may be another relative, but that shouldn't matter. Many of us believed in this hoax and had about 115 initial hoax clues before (T)he (S)tar (STUDY) was even born. (The Source) I just don't get the angst concerning this development. TS will not expose this hoax. He must be sooooooooooooooo tired of trying to convince folks that MJ is alive. It is so old news. I don't think that's why he is here. TS said that it was MIchael's REVEAL to expose. Let MJ expose his 'EXPOSE & BAM in his own time.
I knew in August 2009 that MJ was ALIVE. That was enough for me. I was so happy for him and his. I wouldn't care if he never came back publically as long as he is safe and happy. My life doesn't depend on whether or not MJ comes back. God knows my heart and knows that I truly meant that I was just filled with joy that he is alive, then and now. I was ecstatic to learn that he had faked his death. I think he will return, but he doesn't have to for me to feel a connection with him - and for me to be extremely happy for him. I am just glad and thank GOD that he is still here in the flesh. That's enough for me.
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Not to seem "kind of a drag", but what is with this THE FAMILY SILENCED THEM? What? Who exactly? Cause some of us on here know and believe that Michael Joe Jackson is alive - so wouldn't he be the one to silence anyone that needed to be silenced?
Where is the disconnect with some that they can't seem to keep DOTS connected? MJ doesn't live in a cave - cage - Antarctica, Siberia or Mars. He is probably in Las Vegas most of the time and at Diana's part of the time. He has cell phones, LAN lines, computers, Skype and on and on. Why would MJ need his family to pull the plug on TS or anyone else? He can speak and give direction out of his own mouth. The family has limited (delegated by MJ) power in this hoax. This is hissens (MJ's) hoax to unfold. I don't think he is hiding out for his life either - as his family and children seem happy go lucky and have since 6-25-09. They are all free to come and go w/o fear. This tells me that they all live in freedom - as Prince had that word on his arm. They are awakened for real and so happy about it.
I wonder what truly is in the hearts of people that act as if they have no imagination and can't seem to fathom that MJ is in the loop and is in "CONTROL." Are they closeted non-believers?
MJ is not dead. He is not in Forest Lawn in some mausoleum. He can travel in disguise. He is the MASTER at that craft now. No one can touch nor stop him as he's all over the place, boy. He has the greatest and latest technology - so I don't see a problem.
i don't see a problem with TS being gone either; albeit some seem to think he is the key to what..............................exactly? I asked Souza to delete TS's posts and see how many people stopped dropping in here, but I knew that wasn't going to happen as he does know something - because of the numerology that he showed belonged to Michael.
TS may be Marlon, and/or he may be another relative, but that shouldn't matter. Many of us believed in this hoax and had about 115 initial hoax clues before (T)he (S)tar (STUDY) was even born. (The Source) I just don't get the angst concerning this development. TS will not expose this hoax. He must be sooooooooooooooo tired of trying to convince folks that MJ is alive. It is so old news. I don't think that's why he is here. TS said that it was MIchael's REVEAL to expose. Let MJ expose his 'EXPOSE & BAM in his own time.
I knew in August 2009 that MJ was ALIVE. That was enough for me. I was so happy for him and his. I wouldn't care if he never came back publically as long as he is safe and happy. My life doesn't depend on whether or not MJ comes back. God knows my heart and knows that I truly meant that I was just filled with joy that he is alive, then and now. I was ecstatic to learn that he had faked his death. I think he will return, but he doesn't have to for me to feel a connection with him - and for me to be extremely happy for him. I am just glad and thank GOD that he is still here in the flesh. That's enough for me.
some may critize your style of writing, but I won't. You and I think a lot alike. I find it hard to believe that everything is apart of the hoax. now that we have established that Mike is still alive, all we can really do is wait. And anyone saying MJ is alive like TR shouldn't become this huge dramatic debate, no one has the right to expose this hoax with hard evidence. We aren't the only ones watching Michael. There are the evil hearted people who have stalked MJ throughout his solo career and maybe even before that.
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Not to seem "kind of a drag", but what is with this THE FAMILY SILENCED THEM? What? Who exactly? Cause some of us on here know and believe that Michael Joe Jackson is alive - so wouldn't he be the one to silence anyone that needed to be silenced?
Where is the disconnect with some that they can't seem to keep DOTS connected? MJ doesn't live in a cave - cage - Antarctica, Siberia or Mars. He is probably in Las Vegas most of the time and at Diana's part of the time. He has cell phones, LAN lines, computers, Skype and on and on. Why would MJ need his family to pull the plug on TS or anyone else? He can speak and give direction out of his own mouth. The family has limited (delegated by MJ) power in this hoax. This is hissens (MJ's) hoax to unfold. I don't think he is hiding out for his life either - as his family and children seem happy go lucky and have since 6-25-09. They are all free to come and go w/o fear. This tells me that they all live in freedom - as Prince had that word on his arm. They are awakened for real and so happy about it.
I wonder what truly is in the hearts of people that act as if they have no imagination and can't seem to fathom that MJ is in the loop and is in "CONTROL." Are they closeted non-believers?
MJ is not dead. He is not in Forest Lawn in some mausoleum. He can travel in disguise. He is the MASTER at that craft now. No one can touch nor stop him as he's all over the place, boy. He has the greatest and latest technology - so I don't see a problem.
i don't see a problem with TS being gone either; albeit some seem to think he is the key to what..............................exactly? I asked Souza to delete TS's posts and see how many people stopped dropping in here, but I knew that wasn't going to happen as he does know something - because of the numerology that he showed belonged to Michael.
TS may be Marlon, and/or he may be another relative, but that shouldn't matter. Many of us believed in this hoax and had about 115 initial hoax clues before (T)he (S)tar (STUDY) was even born. (The Source) I just don't get the angst concerning this development. TS will not expose this hoax. He must be sooooooooooooooo tired of trying to convince folks that MJ is alive. It is so old news. I don't think that's why he is here. TS said that it was MIchael's REVEAL to expose. Let MJ expose his 'EXPOSE & BAM in his own time.
I knew in August 2009 that MJ was ALIVE. That was enough for me. I was so happy for him and his. I wouldn't care if he never came back publically as long as he is safe and happy. My life doesn't depend on whether or not MJ comes back. God knows my heart and knows that I truly meant that I was just filled with joy that he is alive, then and now. I was ecstatic to learn that he had faked his death. I think he will return, but he doesn't have to for me to feel a connection with him - and for me to be extremely happy for him. I am just glad and thank GOD that he is still here in the flesh. That's enough for me.
Though your post is sad for others for me is the truth! I could not agree more with what you said especially the last parts.. respect/ respect/ respect/
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Pardon the pun, but I think the death hoax talk was scheduled to "die" down a bit. But not before getting a bunch of attention via Jermaine's tweets. Then we have The Source mysteriously disappear. Although TS did say he(?) would be quiet for a while. And TMZ has been relatively quiet too (apart from the 2 articles yesterday) and we don't see the big Dodo head popping up anywhere. It's all part of the plan, the calm before the storm as it were. Make everyone wonder what's going on, believers especially. Michael's alive and in control and has not cancelled his return. He'll be BACK and the BAM will take us by surprise too when it happens. Even though we're expecting (hoping for) it.
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While I'm happy that some of us are confident and unwavering in our beliefs, I sometimes detect a note of over-confidence which I'm always aware may end up with much 'eating of words', or 'egg on faces'! I think a little humility wouldn't go amiss along with compassion and understanding for those who find this whole experience overwhelming and confusing. We are all different and come to this with many varied personalities, backgrounds, ages, lifestyles, cultures etc all of which play a part in how we react to this experience. I would like to see less judgement and more acceptance of our differences.
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Amen
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Gema wrote:
This is TS´s message to us
(http://www.free-smileys-free.com/images/holidays/labor_day_smileys.gif)
:lol: So true, it is very hot here
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Not to seem "kind of a drag", but what is with this THE FAMILY SILENCED THEM? What? Who exactly? Cause some of us on here know and believe that Michael Joe Jackson is alive - so wouldn't he be the one to silence anyone that needed to be silenced?
Well, I wrote the family might have silenced them because TS wrote that the Jacksons are aware of TIAI. Of course we're in the know of, Michael is controlling the whole thing. I thought he might have told the family what to do or maybe he directly told TS and others what to do. No big deal. And don't worry, I personally am connecting the dots so well. You sound very judgemental and this brings you to wrong conclusions. You are not saying something different than I say or most of the believers say.
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Purelove, Did TS ever confirmed that he was related to MJ? You are writing as if he adimitted it. I think this is just a normal fan, like you and me and everyone else in this forum. He probably has more knowledge in law.. TS is probably busy, or he lost interest.
He wrote many times that he is related with MJ and the Jacksons. I'm sure you can find more if you read TS' updates. I don't want to copy and paste all of them here.
TIAI Revealed, Part 3: Purpose of TIAI (R1 - R7)
R1. MichealJacksonHoaxDeath.com
This was the very first redirect. This was chosen to show connection of TIAI with MJ and the hoax (and at the time, MJHD was the largest hoax forum).
2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on MLK Day
Here is their tweet: “if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” {8:38 PM Jan 18th from web; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787)}.
First of all, we need to understand both the time and the subject context of this tweet. The date was January 18, 2010—which was of course MLK Day; and indeed they knew what day it was, as can be clearly seen in two earlier tweets that day {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910852947; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080)}. This was also one day after the final Jackson Reality Show, which ended with a visit to Forest Lawn {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=82}.
The tweets both before and after the “revealed” tweet were all on the subject of the Reality Show, and especially the ending about MJ. Some of the tweets even mention MJ specifically {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS; click “more” at the bottom of the page, until you get to January 18 tweets}.
So the context of this “revealed” tweet is clearly about MJ. The next step is to understand that this tweet is in response to hoax believers (“if u don't think our emotion is real”). Hoaxers have been saying all along, that a huge evidence of the hoax is the lack of tears from the family at the memorial and burial, etc. Surely, they are not ignorant of this.
And what could they possibly be responding to, other than the hoax—could it be that they were responding to accusations that their emotions were not real, because they don’t care that MJ is dead? Who would say such a thing? And even if someone was cold enough to say that, why would they even bother to respond? Worse yet, why would they respond by saying that the media lies?? Has the media been trying to convince people (falsely), that the Jackson family’s emotions are not real???
Sorry, but the statement about emotions and media lying doesn’t make sense, unless they were referring to the hoax theory. So this tweet was in response to hoax believers; and believers themselves have recognized this fact, in threads such as this one: “Jacksons address hoax!!” {posted by dirtydiana2009; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... =17&t=3783 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3783)}. Since this is the most direct statement yet, from the family, about hoax believers: this tweet deserves thorough investigation.
The part about their “emotion is real” does not specifically say emotion from MJ dying; it could be emotion from the pain that the media lies have caused, etc (media lies are mentioned in this tweet, MJ death is not mentioned in this tweet). And in fact, even the hoax itself is painful for MJ (he knows that it has hurt the fans, and that hurts him; also, he wants to return as much or more than his fans want him to return).
Primarily, though, we need to examine the last half of this tweet: “see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”. Notice the very clear plural usage: “see truths [plural] when they [plural] are [plural] revealed to you”. If MJ really were dead, and this is all that they were trying to say, then why the plural? Why wouldn’t it be “see the truth [MJ is dead] when it is revealed”?
And again, why the reference to the media lying?? If the Jacksons know that MJ is really dead, and this is what they are referring to here, then why wouldn’t they be supporting media “truth” (reports that MJ is dead)?? And why the phrase “ur eyes don’t lie”? We have never seen any dead body; so “ur eyes don’t lie” can’t possibly mean that our eyes have already seen for ourselves that MJ is really dead.
The only conclusion which makes sense, is that the Jacksons tweet mentioned “truths” about the hoax—and our eyes don’t lie regarding these things. This also fits the statement about the media lies—the media is not telling the truth about the hoax, they are saying that MJ is dead (but our eyes can see the hoax).
Now let’s take it a step further. Since this is clearly referring to truths about the hoax: why did they use the word “revealed”? Why not use some other word, such as “see truths when they r shown to you”? Or “recognize truths when they r seen by you”? Or any of several other ways to say it?
Do you suppose that they were entirely ignorant of TIAI Revealed—which was posted nearly a month before 1-18, and Part 1 had about 11,000 views by 1-18? Also, TIAI Revealed Update #1 was posted one week before 1-18, and had about 15,000 views by 1-18. Few if any posts on this forum have more views. If any of the Jacksons were paying any attention whatsoever to the hoax forums, then surely they were already aware of TIAI Revealed, on 1-18.
For the sake of TIAI doubters, let’s say that TIAI is not really MJ’s message. Don’t you think in that case, the Jacksons would avoid any hint of support for TIAI—and maybe even give hints against it? Yet instead of that, they use the very word “revealed” in this tweet, the statement which is the clearest statement yet from them about the hoax; and they refer to the things “revealed” as “truths” that “ur eyes” can and should “see”.
Not only did they use the word “revealed”, but they also referred to the media lies—which is one of the main themes in TIAI. Notice that TIAI Revealed, Part 7, even has the word media in the title: “NWO Powers Control the Mass Media”; and redirect #9 has the title: “9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media”.
Last but not least: why was this tweet given on January 18, MLK Day? Do you think that they knew nothing about the MLK connections with the hoax (They Don’t Really Care About Us?)—and do you think they were totally unaware of TIAI Update #1 (with 15,000 views), and the things in there about January 18???
So we have here a clear Jackson statement about the hoax, using the word “revealed”, and referring to media lies—and it was even done on January 18, MLK Day! Either these things are more TIAI “coincidences” (added to all the previous ones), or else they were giving clues about TIAI.
Well, how much clearer of a clue do you want? Do they need to spell out the domain for you: http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com? (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com?)? Be assured, that will not happen before MJ comes back (it would be too big of a hint about the hoax). In fact, don’t be too surprised if they don’t say anything directly even after MJ comes back—surely you can understand why, due to the nature of the subjects involved.
Ok he said he was related to MJ and the Jacksons, so why not tell us the truth, is he alive or not? If you are a family member you should know. Why is he torturing us, gving us all these little clues to find is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don't think he is related, if he was he wouldn't abandon us like this.. He could have just come back and tell us that he was busy, or he had to go out of town, anything, not leaving us hanging! That's why I am a little skeptical of TS.. don't get me wrong, I am not putting him down, and I am not calling him a troll, actually he or she is a very bright intelligent person.
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He could have just come back and tell us that he was busy, or he had to go out of town, anything, not leaving us hanging!
That's what i said too. If we have demands from Jermaine who not even once typed a word here why not having from the person who actually talked directly on this forum about this hoax at his own wish ? When i defend Jermaine that he doesn't owe us a thing we all say, yeah but the slip ups and everything, he can' t just play us(and it's true..) BUt then what do we say about TS? TS wasn't just a slip=uper in a few words, there are tons of writtting. At his own wish. So, TS, please, even in holiday, a few seconds on mobile, just to tell usyou are ok at least or have a break or go on without me? I am personally fine, but members are waiting for you and some really worry...Have you lost hope? I wish you all the best anyway.
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Ok he said he was related to MJ and the Jacksons, so why not tell us the truth, is he alive or not? If you are a family member you should know. Why is he torturing us, gving us all these little clues to find is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don't think he is related, if he was he wouldn't abandon us like this.. He could have just come back and tell us that he was busy, or he had to go out of town, anything, not leaving us hanging! That's why I am a little skeptical of TS.. don't get me wrong, I am not putting him down, and I am not calling him a troll, actually he or she is a very bright intelligent person.
Why TS is giving us little clues? It's like saying, why Michael faked his death and didn't say that he is alive in public just after he faked his death but he is giving us clues instead. It's the same. It's because Michael doesn't want this to be too obvious and it can not be too obvious. This is also an illusion. If TS came and directly told us everything, spoonfed us, we would never go and find it ourselves. We would learn nothing. It would be like a magician, showing how he gets the rabbit out of his hat, how he does the trick. That would ruin everything, the mystery, the illusion itself. Why he is not posting now? I've just written what I think about it. The family (indirectly Michael) or Michael directly (I'm trying to choose the right words because I see people can prejudge and jump onto wrong conclusions) told him to stop for a while at least. I do believe that he will be back. We'd better wait and see.
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What if TS never planned to stay! What if he IS an actual insider and did his job and is done. No goodbye, maybe its meant to be that way...
And there is a small chance that he still posts under a different name.
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the thought has occured to me often but i have not mentioned it about jan. 18th. so often here when it is mentioned it is in connection with mlk day. if i am not mistaken it was mentioned in the geraldo interview that whatever it was that sneddon leaked from the grand jury proceedings was also leaked on jan. 18th. just thougt i would mention it, maybe someone can confirm or deny.
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Ok he said he was related to MJ and the Jacksons, so why not tell us the truth, is he alive or not? If you are a family member you should know. Why is he torturing us, gving us all these little clues to find is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don't think he is related, if he was he wouldn't abandon us like this.. He could have just come back and tell us that he was busy, or he had to go out of town, anything, not leaving us hanging! That's why I am a little skeptical of TS.. don't get me wrong, I am not putting him down, and I am not calling him a troll, actually he or she is a very bright intelligent person.
Why TS is giving us little clues? It's like saying, why Michael faked his death and didn't say that he is alive in public just after he faked his death but he is giving us clues instead. It's the same. It's because Michael doesn't want this to be too obvious and it can not be too obvious. This is also an illusion. If TS came and directly told us everything, spoonfed us, we would never go and find it ourselves. We would learn nothing. It would be like a magician, showing how he gets the rabbit out of his hat, how he does the trick. That would ruin everything, the mystery, the illusion itself. Why he is not posting now? I've just written what I think about it. The family (indirectly Michael) or Michael directly (I'm trying to choose the right words because I see people can prejudge and jump onto wrong conclusions) told him to stop for a while at least. I do believe that he will be back. We'd better wait and see.
Purelove, I agree with you, I understand your point, yes if he would have spoonfed us the ans, we wouldn't have learned so much about Michael. That for me is the greatest lesson I have ever learned I have learned more here then having a masters in pshychology . what I am trying to say, he or she should be more courteous towards us, and tell us that he is busy, he cannot be in this forum for a while. At least we will not feel this way. just common courteousy. This is why I am trying to explain.
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I think TS will return the start was that the last discussion, I do not think going to retire and leave all this unfinished and with so many unknowns
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Ok he said he was related to MJ and the Jacksons, so why not tell us the truth, is he alive or not? If you are a family member you should know. Why is he torturing us, gving us all these little clues to find is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don't think he is related, if he was he wouldn't abandon us like this.. He could have just come back and tell us that he was busy, or he had to go out of town, anything, not leaving us hanging! That's why I am a little skeptical of TS.. don't get me wrong, I am not putting him down, and I am not calling him a troll, actually he or she is a very bright intelligent person.
Why TS is giving us little clues? It's like saying, why Michael faked his death and didn't say that he is alive in public just after he faked his death but he is giving us clues instead. It's the same. It's because Michael doesn't want this to be too obvious and it can not be too obvious. This is also an illusion. If TS came and directly told us everything, spoonfed us, we would never go and find it ourselves. We would learn nothing. It would be like a magician, showing how he gets the rabbit out of his hat, how he does the trick. That would ruin everything, the mystery, the illusion itself. Why he is not posting now? I've just written what I think about it. The family (indirectly Michael) or Michael directly (I'm trying to choose the right words because I see people can prejudge and jump onto wrong conclusions) told him to stop for a while at least. I do believe that he will be back. We'd better wait and see.
Purelove, I agree with you, I understand your point, yes if he would have spoonfed us the ans, we wouldn't have learned so much about Michael. That for me is the greatest lesson I have ever learned I have learned more here then having a masters in pshychology . what I am trying to say, he or she should be more courteous towards us, and tell us that he is busy, he cannot be in this forum for a while. At least we will not feel this way. just common courteousy. This is why I am trying to explain.
I agree with you. He could have told us what's going on but what I think is, maybe he wasn't allowed to make an explanation and maybe when he comes back (if he does) he explains it all. Time will show it of course.
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Ok he said he was related to MJ and the Jacksons, so why not tell us the truth, is he alive or not? If you are a family member you should know. Why is he torturing us, gving us all these little clues to find is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don't think he is related, if he was he wouldn't abandon us like this.. He could have just come back and tell us that he was busy, or he had to go out of town, anything, not leaving us hanging! That's why I am a little skeptical of TS.. don't get me wrong, I am not putting him down, and I am not calling him a troll, actually he or she is a very bright intelligent person.
Why TS is giving us little clues? It's like saying, why Michael faked his death and didn't say that he is alive in public just after he faked his death but he is giving us clues instead. It's the same. It's because Michael doesn't want this to be too obvious and it can not be too obvious. This is also an illusion. If TS came and directly told us everything, spoonfed us, we would never go and find it ourselves. We would learn nothing. It would be like a magician, showing how he gets the rabbit out of his hat, how he does the trick. That would ruin everything, the mystery, the illusion itself. Why he is not posting now? I've just written what I think about it. The family (indirectly Michael) or Michael directly (I'm trying to choose the right words because I see people can prejudge and jump onto wrong conclusions) told him to stop for a while at least. I do believe that he will be back. We'd better wait and see.
Purelove, I agree with you, I understand your point, yes if he would have spoonfed us the ans, we wouldn't have learned so much about Michael. That for me is the greatest lesson I have ever learned I have learned more here then having a masters in pshychology . what I am trying to say, he or she should be more courteous towards us, and tell us that he is busy, he cannot be in this forum for a while. At least we will not feel this way. just common courteousy. This is why I am trying to explain.
I agree with you. He could have told us what's going on but what I think is, maybe he wasn't allowed to make an explanation and maybe when he comes back (if he does) he explains it all. Time will show it of course.
Like they say Good things come to those who wait .. So we wait and for sure we will get good things.
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I still hope TS here in June. If he does not come, so I conclude that ended the involvement of TS.
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New redirection of TIAI to "QUESTIONS FOR TS" page 4! michael-jackson/ bow/ :P
What should this mean? tomorrow is the anniversary of our Michael's "death".
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Love.
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Sorry, double post.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19621 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=19621)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=19277&start=75#p335944
He will be back. You just have to have faith. You know he will be, we are just tired of waiting... for everything, but TS will be back.
[fade:12bxmnk9]Thank you TS.[/fade:12bxmnk9][/color]
When I first saw the new redirect it originally went to the thread without a specific post so I was like hmm the whole page? Then I checked again and it is now displaying bec's post. This should bring some relief to those who have been worried.
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Oh... There you are Peter. :D
I knew you would make an appearance; but I suspected it would be tomorrow, not today. lolol/
Still here; never left. bearhug
God Bless
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[fade:7wfz7dga][glow=red:7wfz7dga]ARE YOU MICHAEL JACKSON?[/glow:7wfz7dga][/fade:7wfz7dga]
[shadow=blue:7wfz7dga]...sorry I had to ....[/shadow:7wfz7dga]that would also answer if Michael is safe. bounce/..though i know i will be bouncing for a lifetime for this answer to come.... bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ pale/
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TS may take a little longer to post.
But I hope he comes with a post until later this month and who can answer at least half of our doubts and that is persuasive, because after two years we are so tired.
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Well, I guess TS never left us. He said in one of his directs that he won't redirect frequently and that he will be watching...
He didn't leave us. By the way, I guess that Michael and may be other family members are among us. They don't watch us, they communicate with us ..... we just don't know that..... I can't confirm that that of course. It's just a guess and I also have a feeling that I am right...
So keep the faith everyone...
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Maybe the disappearing if it happended is because the time has come. Don´t forget one of our big clues is the autograph with his writtings SEE YOU IN JULY 2011 that means we have 31 days of possible bam days the hope dies at last but even if nothing important happens in july we shouldn´t lose our faith. Yes deeply hard even for me i am not often here because it´s sometimes hard for different reasons like the enourmous input that come out of you all. Especially when so much negative stuff are spreaded, because when i came here i seek for new input and not tired bashes of some against others that´s not helpful in this journey which hopefully comes soon to his finals cause it goes on every ones substances. But i thougt it a little bit strange that the media in europe are showing much less about MJ even today were nothing.
So i think TS would be back if not the bam comes in july and we all get some more news and clues, so peace love and faith in all of us and long live our king and comes back soon we miss him a lot even that behind the mask video was nice. Barry Gibb and MJ Songs hope the come out even with Queen should exsisted stuffs great. michael-jackson/ moonwalk_/ bow/ bearhug crash/ argue/ lolol/ :) respect/
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Maybe the disappearing if it happended is because the time has come. Don´t forget one of our big clues is the autograph with his writtings SEE YOU IN JULY 2011 that means we have 31 days of possible bam days the hope dies at last but even if nothing important happens in july we shouldn´t lose our faith. Yes deeply hard even for me i am not often here because it´s sometimes hard for different reasons like the enourmous input that come out of you all. Especially when so much negative stuff are spreaded, because when i came here i seek for new input and not tired bashes of some against others that´s not helpful in this journey which hopefully comes soon to his finals cause it goes on every ones substances. But i thougt it a little bit strange that the media in europe are showing much less about MJ even today were nothing.
So i think TS would be back if not the bam comes in july and we all get some more news and clues, so peace love and faith in all of us and long live our king and comes back soon we miss him a lot even that behind the mask video was nice. Barry Gibb and MJ Songs hope the come out even with Queen should exsisted stuffs great. michael-jackson/ moonwalk_/ bow/ bearhug crash/ argue/ lolol/ :) respect/