Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Michael's features, habits & disguises => Topic started by: 2good2btrue on May 10, 2011, 03:25:20 AM
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This was from the 02 arena, during his announcement. I know we all focused on his hands, but has anyone noticed this before. ????
Possible reasons a fall on his knuckles, or maybe post-operative sugery marks eg IV injection site??
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or prosthetic make-up on hands maybe ;)
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This is the original picture.(sorry of this has been discussed before, but it supports the fact that he may have had some surgery prior to the announcement, OR he did have a fall or punched a wall)
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How do I view/open this pic? If I click on it .. nothing...
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Wasn't there a discussion of him falling right before the announcement? I remember reading that somewhere, as if he was being man handled by Tohme or somebody? Can't remember who, but I remember the discussion either here or on Official MJ fanforum.
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I can not see the picture. To post again, please.
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Thanks for posting. That hand seems not to Michael. Is very small and very aged! It seems even a prosthesis, or the hand of someone older.
Can someone focus on the hands of Michael TII and post here?
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Does anyone remember this TMZ article?
Jacko Caught Red-Handed
2/6/2009 1:50 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Looking like he just got out of a Silkwood shower, Michael Jackson left his home away from home -- aka a Beverly Hills medical facility -- sporting a medical cap, drawn in Liza Minnelli brows, Britney shades, his de rigueur surgical mask and a pair of hands that formerly belonged to Jason Vorhees.
Make me wanna scream!
(http://http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/02/06/0206_so_vein_200.jpg)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/06/jacko-caught-red-handed/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/06/jacko-caught-red-handed/)
The photo gallery no longer exists.
Are those his hands? They seem like the hands of an elderly person...
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Does anyone remember this TMZ article?
Jacko Caught Red-Handed
2/6/2009 1:50 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Looking like he just got out of a Silkwood shower, Michael Jackson left his home away from home -- aka a Beverly Hills medical facility -- sporting a medical cap, drawn in Liza Minnelli brows, Britney shades, his de rigueur surgical mask and a pair of hands that formerly belonged to Jason Vorhees.
Make me wanna scream!
(http://http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/02/06/0206_so_vein_200.jpg)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/06/jacko-caught-red-handed/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/06/jacko-caught-red-handed/)
The photo gallery no longer exists.
Are those his hands? They seem like the hands of an elderly person...
These can't possibly be Michael's hands! At that time he was only 49, NOT 79! lolol/
My step father is 55 now and his hands look NOTHING like these, those must be hands of a very old man!
L.O.V.E
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Those look like the hands of Shaun Soule, the old hospice patient. suspicious// :lol: I know there were other dirty marks on the palms of his hands too, as well as on his pants, and I did hear he had fallen prior to climbing to the stage. I've lost all my pics 2 or 3 times due to all the computer problems we've had, and my son redoing the system. crash/
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People, look at the nails...that is Michael's hands, which should put to rest whether it was him at the 02. I saw another pic with his hand on his chest, and the nails were the same. Definately Michael.!!!!
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It could be arthiritis in his fingers... he was known to suffer from arthiritis and you can see it more clearly in the bones of his wrists. Arthiritis in the hands causes the joints to swell.
Ive also read that lupus can have the same effect on joints.
Bless his hands.. i just want to kiss them. They dont look elderly, they look like beautiful 50 year old Michael hands. Perfection. xx
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Once again i am confirmed Michael wasn't well in TII.
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I am confused about hands, but the face of 02 guy is too weird to be Michael....
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I'm so sorry, I was referring to the TMZ veiny hand pic as being SS, and then I was referring to the 02 MJ hand. Of course I believe 02 was MJ 100%. He's gorgeous head to foot! I should have re-read my post before leaving it. :oops:
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It does upset me when people say things about MJ.. comments such as his hands look elderly is not nice. He suffered from Lupus and Arthiritis and lets not forget the Vitiligo affected his skin so much.
None of us are perfect... and i dont know what perfection is unless we judge from the artificial and airbrushed images the magazines present us.
To me those hands are beautiful because they are Michaels hands. What i wouldnt give to hold those hands, to kiss them, to squeeze them.... he is so beautiful.
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AMEN TO THAT STATEMENT.
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Well said, Miss.Peppers. I was going to say the same thing but couldn't find a way to put it so nicely!
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It does upset me when people say things about MJ.. comments such as his hands look elderly is not nice. He suffered from Lupus and Arthiritis and lets not forget the Vitiligo affected his skin so much.
None of us are perfect... and i dont know what perfection is unless we judge from the artificial and airbrushed images the magazines present us.
To me those hands are beautiful because they are Michaels hands. What i wouldnt give to hold those hands, to kiss them, to squeeze them.... he is so beautiful.
In this pic (http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/02/06/0206_so_vein_200.jpg) that hand does look like an older person's. I was referring to this one and not the O2 hands. I don't see that as not nice since it's a fact. And it's from TMZ so we don't even know if those are Michael's hands, an older person's hands, or Michael's hand phtoshopped to look older, to look like he could be "near death"...leading up to the "fake death". Like a clue or something, ya know?
Sorry if the word "elderly" offended anyone. mj_bad/
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I'd say let's poll to see who can find pictures of MJ's hands from 2008/2009. I think I saw his hand on Omer's video at 1:19. I'm not trying to convince anyone else though. On the old board, we looked at MJ's hands as he was sitting in balcony (looking for pic) at the This Is It rehearsals and at the 02 MJ's hands and compared. They looked different.
Those 90 something year old hands are not MJ's.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/1 ... l-jackson/ (http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/vitiligo-photos-michael-jackson/)
http://handfacts.wordpress.com/2009/06/ ... den-death/ (http://handfacts.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/was-the-deterioration-in-the-hands-of-michael-jackson-a-clue-to-his-sudden-death/)
http://handfacts.wordpress.com/2009/07/ ... -vitiligo/ (http://handfacts.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/cicely-tyson-told-larry-king-cnn-michael-jacksons-white-hand-glove-was-to-cover-the-skin-disease-vitiligo/)
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Michael is beautiful no matter what. Just worried 'bout his health.
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It is these same hands that I see in "this is it".
(http://www.handresearch.com/news/pictures/michael-jackson-left-hand-2006.jpg)
Michael's hands are large and the skin appears thinner and clear than in the O2.
Here a picture of this is it. It's the better that I could, but you can get an idea.
(http://falandodemichaeljackson.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/this-is-it-documentario-sobre-michael-jackson.jpg)
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Michael is beautiful no matter what. Just worried 'bout his health.
It is just that. I love Michael, I admire and respect very much. He is a very charming and beautiful man, regardless of their appearance, To me he is wonderful and sensual.
Here is a hoax site, and all we were shown into the death have to investigate. When I said that his hands were aged, I remembered that the media portrayed it as a sign of illness and cause of death. The hands of Michael on This is it, It's not looking like this, so I think this picture really weird.
I know that Michael has suffered from his illness, but do not think they could topple him, infamous as the media wants to convince us.
Hey guys, tempers here are a bit exaggerated. Everything that is said there are people here to criticize and give sermons unnecessary. Nobody owns the truth here, we have only opinions and that's all. We must return to discuss calmly as before. Some put Michael like a perfect and untouchable ... he never liked to be idolized,.
I love Michael, but I think that idolatry is not good for anyone.
Big hug!
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It does upset me when people say things about MJ.. comments such as his hands look elderly is not nice. He suffered from Lupus and Arthiritis and lets not forget the Vitiligo affected his skin so much.
None of us are perfect... and i dont know what perfection is unless we judge from the artificial and airbrushed images the magazines present us.
To me those hands are beautiful because they are Michaels hands. What i wouldnt give to hold those hands, to kiss them, to squeeze them.... he is so beautiful.
In this pic (http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/02/06/0206_so_vein_200.jpg) that hand does look like an older person's. I was referring to this one and not the O2 hands. I don't see that as not nice since it's a fact. And it's from TMZ so we don't even know if those are Michael's hands, an older person's hands, or Michael's hand phtoshopped to look older, to look like he could be "near death"...leading up to the "fake death". Like a clue or something, ya know?
Sorry if the word "elderly" offended anyone. mj_bad/
I'm sorry if my words hurt somebody, but i was also (just like Andrea) referring to THIS TMZ picture, not the one from O2 conference! It's a picture of a hand, we don't even know who it belongs to....
I love Michael's hands, they are very beautiful! And as we can see in TII Michael's hands were not looking old AT ALL, they are still young and beautiful and they look nothing like the one TMZ posted.
L.O.V.E to all!
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Nobody owns the truth here, we have only opinions and that's all. We must return to discuss calmly as before. Some put Michael like a perfect and untouchable ...
Yes, idolatry is wrong and subjective for investigation. That 's why i know you will deny it, but take alook to remember:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19060#p329928
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Nobody owns the truth here, we have only opinions and that's all. We must return to discuss calmly as before. Some put Michael like a perfect and untouchable ...
Yes, idolatry is wrong and subjective for investigation. That 's why i know you will deny it, but take alook to remember:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19060#p329928
Do you believe in Karen? I don't.
Heart, In this story, I learned to believe what my eyes see and my heart feels. I do not see Michael decadent and weak This is it.
At least for me, he was beautiful at 50. A bit thinner than normal, but was dancing, singing, shouting, chatting and smiling as usual. See some scenes again and think: who is dying, can run, dragging in the floor and sing live as he did?
Karen said it was horrible, but several people said he was fine.
Who you gonna believe? Just follow your instinct, then!
Each one has their opinion, so ... confused/ confused/ confused/
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A bit thinner than normal, but was dancing, singing, shouting, chatting and smiling as usual. See some scenes again and think
This is it = a movie.
I don't trust Karen Faye, just like i know Jermaine is lying too, but i listen to what everyone has to say and in time i try connect the dots. Before quoting her, i already had reasons to believe her. BUt thats just an opinion of mine, less important. bearhug
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Enough of this story. Assume that Michael died on June 25. Assume also that he was addicted to drugs and medicines, which had more than 10 diseases and cancer and died completely unable to raise their own fork.
Some members are eager to believe this, then go ahead!.
Michael was very poor and died!
Ready! Done.
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Still a hoax to me.
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These are some other pictures of unexplained bruising on a persons hands, and can be caused by "A sudden weight-loss, and extra activity"[attachment=1:nv0fus1l]old hands.jpg[/attachment:nv0fus1l]
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Enough of this story. Assume that Michael died on June 25. Assume also that he was addicted to drugs and medicines, which had more than 10 diseases and cancer and died completely unable to raise their own fork.
Some members are eager to believe this, then go ahead!.
Michael was very poor and died!
Ready! Done.
You tell 'em girl. I couldn't have said it better. All one had to do was to research. I don't think anything looks wrong with MJ's hands on pictures below when he's out and about with his children and parents (Beverly Hills Hotel).
http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/lofiver ... 41419.html (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/lofiversion/index.php/t41419.html)
Was that Madonna's hand someone posted here (please scroll down)? Like MJ has said, "just because it's in print (or posted on a message board)."
http://handfacts.wordpress.com/tag/michael-jackson/ (http://handfacts.wordpress.com/tag/michael-jackson/)
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I'm pretty sure that I have read that Michael suffered from anemia, and one of the less common symptoms can be bruising, so it could have just been from that.
Heck, he could have even just been wrestling with one of his kids in the hotel room and fell or bumped into a wall. One thing that I think all fans will agree on is that Michael does enjoy playing with his kids, although probably not as much right now with him playing dead and all!
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They had forced Michael into announcing the concerts he'll be doing. I can only imagine him punching a wall or something before walking up to the stage, all pissed off. :/
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They had forced Michael into announcing the concerts he'll be doing. I can only imagine him punching a wall or something before walking up to the stage, all pissed off. :/
That's what I thought too. Unless it happened while rehearsing for TII...before the announcment.
Did anyone else notice the same outfit worn on several occasions?? When he enters the staples centre, in the movie preview...???
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What do you mean?
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(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ap_jackson_tl2_ssv.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39511000/jpg/_39511480_203b_handcuffs_ap.jpg)
Credits to paula-c.
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I found this picture in 2006 I see only the finger nails that are brown, that is because of his skin color. When you bleach your skin, it does not take your finger nails unfortunately.
I found another one in 2009 I cannot imagine his hand turning like that. It cannot be. In a matter of 2 yrs?
[attachment=1:1r9x4k18]michael-jackson-finger-nails-2006.jpg[/attachment:1r9x4k18]
[attachment=0:1r9x4k18]michael-jackson-fingernails-2006-2007-2009.jpg[/attachment:1r9x4k18]
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When you lose too much weight the difference can be drastic. Add to vitiligo, age and everything, yes, i believe they are Michael' s hands.
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In this treat are pics shown and the hands are not even the same....my opinion...
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19083 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19083)
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Edit...to the post before.
Here are the pice from the other topic :
http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.p ... 1419&st=40 (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?showtopic=41419&st=40)
The hands are looking absolut good here ! Michael too ! He looks great and he dosn't wear sunglases. I almost said that the Michael in TII without the sunglasses is the real one and in this pics i see the same man !
In Tii the Michael without sunglasses was amazing ! I saw and felt his joy especially when he performed the old Jackson medley. He has rearly fun and dosn't look ill .
He has this special aura....he touches my heart !
With Love bearhug
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OK..I have another view of his hands from the 02 announcement. By the way, I am 46 and am anaemic too. My hands and legs bruise easily, and my skin is starting to wrinkle in certain positions....especially when I'm dehydrated. But then again, I am an interior painter, and don't wear gloves. My bad.
Bruising and LUPUS>>>.It is called "platelet function abnormality". Basically, the platelets are there, BUT they don't work right.
"The "new bruises" you are describing sound much like what I get. The capillaries will spontaneously, with no impact or cause, break and bleed in the surrounding tissue. Sometimes when these happen, I can feel a sort of stinging sensation. At times, I can go for long stretches without any problems, but then they stop working and pop up with new "bruises".
Lupus is a condition that affects the skin as well...My mother had it, and died from it. What killed her was when her lungs had filled up with fluid, and she had died in the ambulance....but was rescusitated, after 10mins, only to be in a coma and a vegetable. She died 33 days later. So when it comes to Lupus (hair-loss, skin eruptions from the sun, swollen joints and pain etc) the treatment can be worse than the disease. God bless.
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2good2btrue, i am sorry.
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OK..I have another view of his hands from the 02 announcement. By the way, I am 46 and am anaemic too. My hands and legs bruise easily, and my skin is starting to wrinkle in certain positions....especially when I'm dehydrated. But then again, I am an interior painter, and don't wear gloves. My bad.
Bruising and LUPUS>>>.It is called "platelet function abnormality". Basically, the platelets are there, BUT they don't work right.
"The "new bruises" you are describing sound much like what I get. The capillaries will spontaneously, with no impact or cause, break and bleed in the surrounding tissue. Sometimes when these happen, I can feel a sort of stinging sensation. At times, I can go for long stretches without any problems, but then they stop working and pop up with new "bruises".
Lupus is a condition that affects the skin as well...My mother had it, and died from it. What killed her was when her lungs had filled up with fluid, and she had died in the ambulance....but was rescusitated, after 10mins, only to be in a coma and a vegetable. She died 33 days later. So when it comes to Lupus (hair-loss, skin eruptions from the sun, swollen joints and pain etc) the treatment can be worse than the disease. God bless.
I think it's pretty clear in this image, that Michael had arthritis.
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My thought too.
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OK..I have another view of his hands from the 02 announcement. By the way, I am 46 and am anaemic too. My hands and legs bruise easily, and my skin is starting to wrinkle in certain positions....especially when I'm dehydrated. But then again, I am an interior painter, and don't wear gloves. My bad.
Bruising and LUPUS>>>.It is called "platelet function abnormality". Basically, the platelets are there, BUT they don't work right.
"The "new bruises" you are describing sound much like what I get. The capillaries will spontaneously, with no impact or cause, break and bleed in the surrounding tissue. Sometimes when these happen, I can feel a sort of stinging sensation. At times, I can go for long stretches without any problems, but then they stop working and pop up with new "bruises".
Lupus is a condition that affects the skin as well...My mother had it, and died from it. What killed her was when her lungs had filled up with fluid, and she had died in the ambulance....but was rescusitated, after 10mins, only to be in a coma and a vegetable. She died 33 days later. So when it comes to Lupus (hair-loss, skin eruptions from the sun, swollen joints and pain etc) the treatment can be worse than the disease. God bless.
Sorry to hear that, I know I lost my childhood friend due to lupus she was only 49 yrs old. I know how she was feeling. She was always inside never going out, she had hair loss, anyways the same sympton as your mom. may they rest in peace.
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OK..I have another view of his hands from the 02 announcement. By the way, I am 46 and am anaemic too. My hands and legs bruise easily, and my skin is starting to wrinkle in certain positions....especially when I'm dehydrated. But then again, I am an interior painter, and don't wear gloves. My bad.
Bruising and LUPUS>>>.It is called "platelet function abnormality". Basically, the platelets are there, BUT they don't work right.
"The "new bruises" you are describing sound much like what I get. The capillaries will spontaneously, with no impact or cause, break and bleed in the surrounding tissue. Sometimes when these happen, I can feel a sort of stinging sensation. At times, I can go for long stretches without any problems, but then they stop working and pop up with new "bruises".
Lupus is a condition that affects the skin as well...My mother had it, and died from it. What killed her was when her lungs had filled up with fluid, and she had died in the ambulance....but was rescusitated, after 10mins, only to be in a coma and a vegetable. She died 33 days later. So when it comes to Lupus (hair-loss, skin eruptions from the sun, swollen joints and pain etc) the treatment can be worse than the disease. God bless.
Sorry to hear that, I know I lost my childhood friend due to lupus she was only 49 yrs old. I know how she was feeling. She was always inside never going out, she had hair loss, anyways the same sympton as your mom. may they rest in peace.
Thankyou guys....its been a while now since she died, but I have never ever forgot that day, and still have days of crying. Thats why I found it odd that MJ's family didn't show much emotion....
There was NO WAY I could have got up and said anything at the funeral, or especially to sing a song...
God Bless....
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From that last pic posted, we can surely now say.....That was definately Michael..look at the nails.
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It does upset me when people say things about MJ.. comments such as his hands look elderly is not nice. He suffered from Lupus and Arthiritis and lets not forget the Vitiligo affected his skin so much.
None of us are perfect... and i dont know what perfection is unless we judge from the artificial and airbrushed images the magazines present us.
To me those hands are beautiful because they are Michaels hands. What i wouldnt give to hold those hands, to kiss them, to squeeze them.... he is so beautiful.
Thanks for your words. I think exactly the same. I have never really cared about his look, it's enough for me to hear him singing, our his laughter. But the most important thing is his soul, his messages, and the values which he represents.
I hope you understand what I mean. Sometimes I have difficulties to express myself in english. As an amateur artist I'm better in visual things. lolol/
Sorry guys!
Love you all! Peace.
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Slightly off-topic, but the talk of Lupus etc., made me think. I hate to say "poor Michael" and get all sappy lol 8-|, but really poor Michael. He had many physical ailment's aswell as emotional trauma, and still managed to be so graceful and strong; all the whilst, he was an amazing performer, business man and father. That's a rarity.
I dont know if those are his hands on TMZ, lighting and other elements can change what they really looked like, I also don't really think this is significant to the hoax. I could ofcourse be wrong.
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Ha, my hands looked more scary once, after I had "smart" case of having
them wet, glove-free at winter during heavy frost. They turned really scary :mrgreen:
As for Michael - lupus, arthritis, vitiligo. His skin had zero protection from sun
and hands are so exposed :cry: You see, translucent skin like his looks interesting
even when young, as he grew older with more and more sun exposure, arthritis
going rampant {I bet lupus-connected}, these big beautiful hands indeed changed
their appearance. Discoloured nails show nothing but his well known autoimmune
condition. His hands at time were swollen during say 2005 or earlier, they say nothing
about "he was about to die!". Lupus &co. is this way - lots of suffering, affects the way you look,
but not necessary kills you if you take care of yourself, which he normally did. Just
ask his former bodyguards! :mrgreen:
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ahhh I was just thinking what I could add to the list of scary things about Michael: bruises on his hands crash/
I love your hands Michael, bruises or not bearhug
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Talking about TMZ and their pre-death stories about Michael, how is it possible that they now work together as they mocked MJ so much in the past?
But I must admit I was laughing loud at this one :lol: (sorry Mike but it was so funny bearhug):
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/17/michael-jackson-i-come-in-peace/
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I suffer from a skin disease called rosacea. I can´t got out without wearing makeup all over my face.
Sometimes I just wish I could go out with a face mask or just a surgical mask like Michael did. Would be so much more convenient at times.
So I can very much relate to Michael in that respect.
It is hell not being able to go out without spending so much time on your face makeup :-(
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I am sorry to hear that MaryK.
Sometimes it's so tiring to have to live up to society's expectations, the way we have to look when we leave our homes, we just can not be ourselves.
I am so tired of having to wear make up every day.
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Thank you Gina
bearhug
Yes it´s really tough sometimes. I limits my freedom and spontaneity a lot.
I just hate being stared at without makeup. I really admire Michael and his way of dealing with his problems related to his skin. It takes so much strenght to go out and face the public.
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How come there are no signs of the vitiligo in the autopsy photo!!!
After seeing these pics I would have expected to see it!! Oh thats right
its a fake photo.
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I think that you can see the vitiligo all over the body. There are just some dark spots left. The rest of the skin is all without pigmentation.
(not saying that he´s really dead of course!).