Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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It’s time for another level. 8-)
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation). Some have already proposed this possibility, while others have summarily dismissed it. As always, please do not dismiss any theory until it has been thoroughly debunked. And whatever theory you personally believe, try to debunk your own theory; many hoax investigators are still not doing this.
In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS :lol: ), etc.
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption)}.
We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
Although there are endless minor variations within these two main coherent theories, for the purpose of this level we are only examining two basic theories: the court is in on the hoax, or the court is not in on the hoax (other than the defense, and maybe a few other key people). For the sake of discussion, we can refer to these two theories as “hoax court” and “sting court”.
In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
Even though level three is still unresolved, yet we can and should start investigating level four (The Sting). Actually, level three and four are closely related—so much so that if we get a clear answer to level four, then level three will probably be easy to resolve (and vice versa).
To be more specific: if it’s hoax court, then there would be little if any need to use a corpse; but if it is sting court, then the corpse theory has a strong case. This would not only reduce the people who would need to be in on it, but it would also allow witnesses to testify truthfully in real court under oath (both witnesses who are in on it, and those who are not).
It has been suggested that this would constitute entrapment; but sting versus entrapment does not depend on using a dummy versus a corpse. It would be possible to use a dummy, and still qualify as entrapment, if the job was done so airtight that nobody could figure it out. On the other hand: it would be possible to use a corpse, and not qualify as entrapment, as long as there are plenty of clues and evidence that MJ is still alive. If the hoax forums can figure out that MJ is alive, when most of the members are not even professional investigators, then what excuse would the LA prosecution have for not figuring it out?
Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose. Just bring into this thread discussion and evidence related to the focus of The Sting, and especially whether it is hoax court or sting court.
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Hi TS....what's that animal...or what is it..?
OK...I am ashmaed to admit I don't know what;s a sting operation. I'll go make some reading about it.
"See" you soon :mrgreen:
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Hi TS....what's that animal...or what it is...?
The Scorpion :lol:
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It's a scorpion hahahah The Scorpion suspicious// :lol:
Well, thanks to God Google:
"In law enforcement, a sting operation is a deceptive operation designed to catch a person committing a crime. A typical sting will have a law-enforcement officer or cooperative member of the public play a role as criminal partner or potential victim and go along with a suspect's actions to gather evidence of the suspect's wrongdoing.
Sting operations are common in the United States, but not allowed in other countries such as Sweden and the Netherlands."
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In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
Aha you are not saying anymore that photo was staged on "the other day", but it was staged in advance, so that makes me think that you didn't debunk my Exif data and nobody else did either!
Thank you TS for new mind blowing puzzle! respect/
I will be back with my theory after a nice sleep, maybe i'll see some kind of dream about this Sting Operation.
L.O.V.E to all! :D
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My first reaction is that it is a hoax court......this is based purely on the images we saw of the Dr Murray Preliminary trial in January with all the toys placed strategically around the courtroom. I don't know about the Court System in the USA but in Australia this does not happen. It seemed like they were put there as a clue to show that the scene was a circus, a show, staged......
However, this does not necessarily mean that the entire number of people in the courtroom are in on it - it could just be the presiding Judge and maybe one or two other key higher Court personnel. Maybe the other people attending that day believed that its a "quirk" of the Judge to have toys around the courtroom.
Perhaps it is a hoax court to help with the sting of people higher up in the LA justice system :?:
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I said I wasn't going to get caught up again with TS's crypic puzzles..............BUT
I found this fantastic document which explains everything in simple language.
I always think back to the 911 call.......when the paramedic hangs up on the caller because..."He has a higher authority than me....."
Once again, we don't know any of the facts, so we can only speculate. I know that the people in the court rooms, are not in on it, as Twiggy from MJHOAX live, was in the latest courtcase with Pearl Jnr.
There has been different courtrooms and different judges....
My point is, if the court is in on it, why swap and change the judges ???? And courtrooms ??? TAX payers would not be very happy with all of the expenses involved in faking it... The less people, the better.
If the Judges are involved, then it must be orders from authorities much higher than them, because I cant imagine they would get involved for a film or whatever........Time is money..
This is an example from a sting vs entrapment article, where I believe the court system was involved... errrr
http://lsr.nellco.org/cgi/viewcontent.c ... =1#search= (http://lsr.nellco.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1229&context=harvard_olin&sei-redir=1#search=)"sting+operations+entrapment"
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If MJ's hoax death is a sting operation (amongst other things), wouldn't our discussions here alert the subjects of it and jeopardise it?
A sting operation means something or someone is used a bait, right?
In this case, Michael's death is the bait? Sorry if this sounds stupid but I don't have an idea about how MJ's fake death could be the bait confused/
I need help to understand this as now I'm kind of confused
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In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS :lol: ), etc.
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
I don't understand. If the prosecution was corrupted in the 2005 trial, the sting should be directed to people in the prosecution team in 2005, right?
Now who is in the prosecution team of Murray? Are they the subject? Or why the court should be the subject of the S.O.? It's not the same court from 2005. Sorry if i sound stupid but I don't understand confused/
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Gianafelicia, we're back afraid/ party/
As much as I was going to stay away, the man has me hooked again..
I don't think it is about the 2005 trial (but who knows). It could be about corruption in general within the courts.
But I will say this.....I can't help thinking Thome Thome has something to do with it. He sleezed his way into MJ's life, with Jermaines blessings, which seems odd, knowing he has warrants and a shady past....a long history of embezzlement and fraud.........and much more. What if he planned to kill MJ for his money ??? This would warrant as a sting..or setup...Michaels money is the bait. I don't think MJ would be that naive or stupid....he did a check on this man..I'll leave it at that, but the signs and hints were left by Mj himself... (I'm probably wrong here)
[youtube:286yfrpg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpIwBrrP2k&feature=player_embedded#at=99[/youtube:286yfrpg]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpIwBrr ... dded#at=99 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpIwBrrP2k&feature=player_embedded#at=99)
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What if he planned to kill MJ for his money ??? This would warrant as a sting..or setup...Michaels money is the bait.
I don't see how killing MJ would open the way to his money. The children inherit it and The Estate administers the assets......you think John Branca would work together with Thome Thome to get to Michael's money :o ?
The Estate is the perfect way to make a share for everyone involved :evil: ...I really hope it's not the case
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If MJ's hoax death is a sting operation (amongst other things), wouldn't our discussions here alert the subjects of it and jeopardise it?
A sting operation means something or someone is used a bait, right?
In this case, Michael's death is the bait? Sorry if this sounds stupid but I don't have an idea about how MJ's fake death could be the bait confused/
I need help to understand this as now I'm kind of confused
For all we know the sting could have been completed months ago....and whomever they were after might have already been "stung" (caught).
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I am going to start a another topic all about sting operations, so I don't take over this thread...I am looking for other examples of sting operations and the courts...Maybe we can put some theories together and brains together and work out what is really going on with the courts......Cheers.
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I am going to start a another topic all about sting operations, so I don't take over this thread...I am looking for other examples of sting operations and the courts...Maybe we can put some theories together and brains together and work out what is really going on with the courts......Cheers.
Could you please put a link to it...thanks
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Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation). Some have already proposed this possibility, while others have summarily dismissed it. As always, please do not dismiss any theory until it has been thoroughly debunked. And whatever theory you personally believe, try to debunk your own theory; many hoax investigators are still not doing this.
I don't know how to debunk my theory when I have nothing to support. For example I believe the judge (as well as a few others in the court are apart of the hoax)...I think the judge is because MJ wants to be able to control the trial as it is to do with the hoax and since the judge has control on whether the autopsy photos are allowed, or the delay in the trial or even if it is televised etc. then he must be in on it...I don't think MJ would leave anything to chance...this is only my reasoning but you see I have no strong points, because I don't know how to bring out evidence when I have none...and logic can't even be used to establish a theory.
Also why even have this trial if the sting operation is done...or is it that the sting operation will come out in the trial because if it does, discussing a sting operation in progress isn't exactly protocol.
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I think we're trying to give a step too far. Before knowing about the involvement of the court would need to know what happened at UCLA. You can not jump from the ambulance ride to the courthouse. We have UCLA and the medical examiners in the middle and for me this is more important than the other previous levels. It would be very easy trick two or three people inside the house of Michael, but from the moment the ambulance go to the hospital , things get more complicated. It is naive to think that only one doctor was involved, I know how an emergency department of a hospital is one of the busiest locations. If people learned from the 1:30 that Michael was there, I can not to think in no theory that fits. Michael was declared dead at 2:26, so he stayed too long at UCLA and a lot of people could have access to him, or if no, would raise a lot of suspicion!
Looking through the side Hoax, the court must not be real, otherwise there would not be many people bearing false witness, starting with Cooper and his assistant.
Or maybe everything is real: the Michael's death, Murray's guilt, the court, witnesses....
No idea!
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It's naive to think that in a high profile VIP situation, people wouldn't just shut up and do as their told, including looking the other way and making themselves scarce.
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I've read a couple of books lately about Michael..mostly the one by Lynton Guest. It had me wondering as I read, about a conspiracy with the prosecutors and Sony. I'm sure it would be hard/impossible to bring down the LA prosecuting team and even more impossible to bring down Sony, an international company and a huge conglomerate. But, with things I read in that book I see that there was definitely involvement between the two that was to bring down Michael and for financial ruin and to force him to sell off the catalog.
We are now seeing that Michael was not in dire financial ruin and had to sell off that catalog at any point. We are now seeing that he has many other solid assets as the hotels we've discovered. We are also finding that Michael is not only not in financial ruin and having to sell his catalog, but also is being cleared of molestation and being verified by the FBI investigation. All the things that was slandered upon his name are being cleared. Soon we will also know what this hoax/sting is for.
I think that it is a sting that has been set up between Michael and by the FBI to right a wrong against Michael, but that probably has happened to many others, in the LA system. It was brought to front in the deep investigating of Michael by the FBI all those years.
Heck, I could even see from that book, that there was major corruption and conspiracy going on between the prosecutor and Sony!!
How does one rectify a mis-justice brought on by the legal system itself and not further look bad to the world or as though to be trying to further cover up what the prosecutor was trying to prove? How does one show that there is corruption with your own company (Sony) and not risk your life?
Now, I know, since the beginning of this hoax/sting, Michael has got the biggest recording contract in history. But, that's because the sting is obviously against THEM. That just proves more to me that is who Michael/FBI is after.
But, this is my feelings. It is showing me it is a sting and one by the FBI. I am just saying my WHY it is one.
michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/
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After going back through my posts on the Third Level on pages 3, 4, 7, 9, & 11 I have read nothing that has changed my mind concerning FBI involvement and a real body... Then again perhaps the Three Way Theory means a combination of all three possibilities. suspicious//
Others have posted lots of great investigative information about the whole corpse thing.
I applaud all their hard work. beerchug I have stated my opinions; but I do not have the time or the energy to do all the background research to flesh them out as I am dealing with my own family issues concerning my out of control teenager that keep me busy as some on this forum have been privy to.
Funny thing... just yesterday he asked me if I thought Michael Jackson was really dead. :lol: He's heard the rap part of Monster. elvis_/
I GO WITH STING.
We all know there have been death threats, dirty prosecutions, & business dealings against MJ. I find it hard to beLIEve only a dummy would be used in a sting. This is not ALL a movie. Something big is going on or else doctors who had contact with MJ over the yrs would not be going down. mj_dance/
No one allowed upstairs?, nobody RECOGNIZED MJ? elderly man? Asian? wrong bedroom, urine sample in bottle found in the bedroom, oxygen tanks, location & timing of 911 call...that day and the other dd, Jermaine's slip about MJ at the airport, missing security tapes, money & hard drive... official Autopsy report was released or finalized 09.09.09, Trauma Gershwin blood sample & second toe tag with same name. (Trauma Gershwin = hospital code for hi-profile cases) Soule Shaun, or Shaun Soule that MJ was supposedly admitted under meaning God is Gracious, fire alarm & lock-down of the facility, syringe with mysterious fingerprint? Sting.
By the way TS after living in Texas for four yrs I HATE Scorpions! afraid/
Imagine being in the bathroom at 2am...you hear a strange rustling behind the trash can. You move said trashcan to find a scorpion come charging straight for you! Can you say DEAD in less than 2 seconds?! crash/
But I love your sense of humor... bow/
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Is this a
A) a sting court or
B) a hoax court?
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/128/l_e361aed4f7fa48c898fa847e65113102.jpg)
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/128/l_e361aed4f7fa48c898fa847e65113102.jpg
If A) were the answer (part of court being involved in illegal actions and being addressed by MJ's "case") I'd say Hollywood has nothing left to offer and Caliland has indeed become Barnum's Greatest Live Circus Show.
If B) were the answer (nobody in court being involved in illegal actions and being addressed by MJ's "case"), I'd say the media have nothing left to offer and throwing newspapers and TV out of one's house is the only reasonable answer.
Alternatives:
C) court is giving the stage scenery only (as if) and sting target is another entity not connected to court.
D) court is a make.believe illusion for AIR / ARG purpose etc and there is no sting target at all.
E) court is another communication marketplace as other stages we've seen and is meant to transport information and koinkidances for a certain purpose / to a certain public.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01811/conrad_1811354c.jpg)
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01811/conrad_1811354c.jpg
The presence of the pink panther toy could mean a connection to detectives, thieves, values as well as entertainment.
I prefer the white rabbit. LOL
albino/
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In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
TS, I've been following you and making comments on all of these threads. I have a huge respect for you but I do not see a progress or conclusion in any of your threads like you stated.
In level one, you say that we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. But I do remember that we talked about the possibilities about where and when it could have been taken. We never got to a conclusion like it was taken in advance. You are saying it right now. ALSO what happened to the leaf pattern inside of the ambulance? We discussed a lot about it but where's the conclusion?
In level two, you say that we found at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax. Where did we come to this conclusion? You were the one who suggested us that the FBI's possible involvement and again you are the one who is saying us that a couple of FBI agents are helping the hoax. How do we know it if you didn't say it to us? We didn't get to that conclusion in our discussion.
In level three, you say that we made progress. IF creating irrational theories and talking about if the bushes outside of the house changed is a progress, then yes we did lots of progress! Other than that, everyone stated their opinion and most of them were entitled to their opinions. How do we know which one is the right one? If there is no conclusion, why do we start discussing about it? What's the purpose? And as I wrote above, I do not see any conclusions on those threads like you stated and some of the things we discussed about are left behind without any mention about them like the leaf pattern.
I will be still stating my opinion about the trial and keep reading the posts and I do hope that we get to a conclusion at the end of it. Blessings.
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If MJ's hoax death is a sting operation (amongst other things), wouldn't our discussions here alert the subjects of it and jeopardise it?
A sting operation means something or someone is used a bait, right?
In this case, Michael's death is the bait? Sorry if this sounds stupid but I don't have an idea about how MJ's fake death could be the bait confused/
I need help to understand this as now I'm kind of confused
MJ "died" due to proforol overdose. Many people lose their lives with the same cause because the doctors give these kind of drugs irresponsibly and the pharmacies maintain the patients these drugs. How about if Michael wanted to help FBI to stop this?
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My Theory:
I do believe that this is a sting operation and there're just a few key people in all of the authorities that are involved with the hoax. The same goes with the trial as well. Not everyone knows about the hoax but the judge and probably Murray's attorney is in the known of it. So this makes the trial another hoax too but a hoax that looks like real! It's all just an illusion but there must be reality in it too and I do believe that, that's the most important reason why not everyone knows about the hoax. The emotions of the non hoaxers give this illusion a reality side. So there's a trial going on that some of the people think that it is real but it is just the illusion of a real trial.
I still go with a dead body was used in the ambulance to keep as minimum people as possible in on the hoax and the same goes for the trial too.
A question to debunk my theory:
If everyone doesn't know about the hoax, didn't they realize something weird is going on with all the toys in the courtroom?
Answer:
I'm sure that they realized the toys but the procedure going on at the trial must have been convincing enough for them to believe that the trial is real.
Another question to debunk my theory:
If this is not a real trial, wouldn't it be a crime after the truth comes up?
Answer:
As long as the FBI is involved the hoax with the sting operation, it won't be a crime to create a fake trail.
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In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
TS, I've been following you and making comments on all of these threads. I have a huge respect for you but I do not see a progress or conclusion in any of your threads like you stated.
In level one, you say that we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. But I do remember that we talked about the possibilities about where and when it could have been taken. We never got to a conclusion like it was taken in advance. You are saying it right now. ALSO what happened to the leaf pattern inside of the ambulance? We discussed a lot about it but where's the conclusion?
In level two, you say that we found at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax. Where did we come to this conclusion? You were the one who suggested us that the FBI's possible involvement and again you are the one who is saying us that a couple of FBI agents are helping the hoax. How do we know it if you didn't say it to us? We didn't get to that conclusion in our discussion.
In level three, you say that we made progress. IF creating irrational theories and talking about if the bushes outside of the house changed is a progress, then yes we did lots of progress! Other than that, everyone stated their opinion and most of them were entitled to their opinions. How do we know which one is the right one? If there is no conclusion, why do we start discussing about it? What's the purpose? And as I wrote above, I do not see any conclusions on those threads like you stated and some of the things we discussed about are left behind without any mention about them like the leaf pattern.
I will be still stating my opinion about the trial and keep reading the posts and I do hope that we get to a conclusion at the end of it. Blessings.
Pretty much what I've said on TS's other thread huh? Where was there a conscientious decision made? How did we all make a correct decision and advance the level? What was the decision made and by whom? Because I didn't vote.... Who made these levels and it sure seems there is a level in here, but a level of command!!
I am grateful for TS, but it sure feels like he came in and said, this is how we are going to do it. You'll all research as I lead you, and I'll give you levels to complete..and reward you when ...WHAT?? I don't feel like we've collectively made a decison...IS HE SAYING WE ARE RIGHT ON ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS???
It just feels like we've missed the huge "shebangs" before we "level up". I didn't ever read on any of them..."YEAH!! THERE YOU GO...THAT IS RIGHT!!! YOU FIGURED THIS ONE THING OUT!!
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The trial date has been delayed again to September. Care to take a moment and comment about it, TS? :?
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The trial date has been delayed again to September. Care to take a moment and comment about it, TS? :?
I hope. But I also hope for an answer and not another question debate or anything. I am sick of this being a game because for me never was.
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I agree TS...got some advise on this one?? I expected this so I'm not surprised, but there are some who will be giving up now..
At this rate of over two years to get into court...it will be 4.. FOUR years just to get this settled.
So much for we have 4 years....
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I hope we'll get a comment on this, I can't understand this and I will keep to myself everything I feel right now.
It doesn't have to be a mystery. If TS knows for real what he says, a genuine comment on this is not much to ask. It's been so long, too long, too many delays. If it's calculated, if Michael had everything under control, all this now makes no sense. In a short time no one will be here anymore. What is too much is too much. People will come and say "it's all going as planned", but it doesn't work anymore. I would really like to see a genuine real answer from TS. After all he's been struggling for 2 years to make people understand he has genuine informations and is a genuine informer.
I don't think we ask too much.
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Don't worry y'all, truth will prevail on all accounts.
We've come a long way. A much longer way than that one. 8-)
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PureLove said:" A question to debunk my theory:
If everyone doesn't know about the hoax, didn't they realize something weird is going on with all the toys in the courtroom?"
Is it possible that these toys we are seeing were photoshopped into the pictures? Why? I have no clue. I just don't really believe anything is what it is. The toys in the courtroom just do not fit a real court.
I can't remember if the term, "kangaroo court" has been used. It's basically a term used for court/trials that have their integrity questioned. Here is a link to the Wiki for it, it's easier to understand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court)
With the 2005 trial, it was so one-sided. In the end, Michael was released, but justice was hardly done. I believe certain people were out to de-fame him, not necessarily jail him. Whoever was truly behind the allegations, needed to make sure the courts were used as a puppet. They obviously knew that the egos of people like Sneddon would take on a life of their own. All they had to do was provide the questionable behavior. I think they opened the door of doubt in the '90s allegations. When that didn't work, they waited for another time. They knew the public had seen it once, they were primed for, "......here we go again, he must be guilty this time.....". A kangaroo court had been established in 2005....things were a joke. I think Sneddon just saw it has a notch in the bedpost of his career....but who really was behind it? Maybe the LAPD, the courts....but really, what would they have to gain? To bring about such allegations, to bring him down publicly....who would have wanted to see that? Who would want the spotlight on Michael's reputation? Some say the Catholic Church (because of their own sex scandals), some say Sony (maybe for money/control), some say Illuminati (because Michael is nobody's puppet)......I have no idea. I do think we are going to find it out.....soon. I have said from the beginning; I hope this is about the allegations and trials. Justice in the eyes of fans was served...Michael was free. However, the real reason for the allegations was to serve as a scarlet letter upon Michael for life.....a false scarlet letter, of course. The public was primed to believe his guilt, though proven innocent......like Murray.
So, perhaps again, a few key people are in on this sting/hoax of a court. Perhaps this whole thing is about to show the world how a court of law can be used as a puppet, manipulated and ultimately tamed to jump on command. (nice animal reference). It might very well be that the FBI uncovered a trail of some sort. A pattern of corruption, of due process being thrown aside for money, etc. I am not sure how the numbers play into all of it...I am sure they do. For all I know case numbers are being referenced, when we think it's a date. I have no idea. I can totally see Michael wanting to use his creativity with a sting. To be the ringmaster of the greatest sting in history....it's a Michael thing, gotta love him! To catch the world's attention, Michael's death was needed. It was believable and by all accounts, doable. The 2005 trial has its own set of problems and questions. I think looking at those will help this trial. Nothing seemed right back then either. I have questioned it all at one time or another. I suppose history will provide the answer. Hindsight is 20/20....so they say!
Anyways, the toys have always bugged me...they just don't fit.
Many Blessings!
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Yulia wrote:
Yambo3003 wrote:The trial date has been delayed again to September. Care to take a moment and comment about it, TS?
aaaaayyyyyyyyy nooooooooooooooooo crash/
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I hope we'll get a comment on this, I can't understand this and I will keep to myself everything I feel right now.
It doesn't have to be a mystery. If TS knows for real what he says, a genuine comment on this is not much to ask. It's been so long, too long, too many delays. If it's calculated, if Michael had everything under control, all this now makes no sense. In a short time no one will be here anymore. What is too much is too much. People will come and say "it's all going as planned", but it doesn't work anymore. I would really like to see a genuine real answer from TS. After all he's been struggling for 2 years to make people understand he has genuine informations and is a genuine informer.
I don't think we ask too much.
TS just says "we are coming to an end" ... since the postponement of March, he never gave us explanations!
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All things are coming to an end as soon as they begin.
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1. TS, i hope i am not asking too much but did you know about this long delay?
2. A sting operation means FBI is in on it. I am not convinced FBI is involved, because i have no facts to take this information for granted, so the sting operation is not 100% possible in my mind.But if i get over the fbi thing, i see no relevant action from how Michael could play a role for catching the target. What role and what target? How can he help being dead or did a fake death actually contribute to it? It's been 2 years so i'm not sure this was his role he would have returned by now. When we talk about it from a general perspective it all makes such a great sense but when we dig and ask in a concrete way: who is the target? what is his role? how could he help exaclty? we get stucked and abandon saying well, we don't know everything, time will tell. BUt time is being pushed and pushed and pushed. I wish you could just tell us what you know and that's it. At least you could have told us today expect for a very loong delay don't get dissapointed and you would have blown our minds with this FACT.
This is not a multilevel game, it's our life. If it were for a game i wouldn't have lost important things in my real life in these 2 years. Not for a game. And i don't need to be re-educated either, neither taught and learnt how to think. I just want to know if Michael is okay and if he will ever return. That's all. I can take care of myself and my own education in my real life. Here i am for Michael, not for me.
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1. TS, i hope i am not asking too much but did you know about this long delay?
2. A sting operation means FBI is in on it. I am not convinced FBI is involved, because i have no facts to take this information for granted, so the sting operation is not 100% possible in my mind.But if i get over the fbi thing, i see no relevant action from how Michael could play a role for catching the target. What role and what target? How can he help being dead or did a fake death actually contribute to it? It's been 2 years so i'm not sure this was his role he would have returned by now. When we talk about it from a general perspective it all makes such a great sense but when we dig and ask in a concrete way: who is the target? what is his role? how could he help exaclty? we get stucked and abandon saying well, we don't know everything, time will tell. BUt time is being pushed and pushed and pushed. I wish you could just tell us what you know and that's it. At least you could have told us today expect for a very loong delay don't get dissapointed and you would have blown our minds with this FACT.
This is not a multilevel game, it's our life. If it were for a game i wouldn't have lost important things in my real life in these 2 years. Not for a game. And i don't need to be re-educated either, neither taught and learnt how to think. I just want to know if Michael is okay and if he will ever return. That's all. I can take care of myself and my own education in my real life. Here i am for Michael, not for me.
:cry: my thought also..plus i kind of lost my interest in all of this...my eyes hurt seeing so much written but nothing has been made....
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This is total BS. We have absolutely no proof that TS has any inside information, yet we are faithfully following his directions, which send us in circles chasing our tails. I, for one, am not convinced that TS knows any more than we do. He is just having fun at our expense.
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1. TS, i hope i am not asking too much but did you know about this long delay?
2. A sting operation means FBI is in on it. I am not convinced FBI is involved, because i have no facts to take this information for granted, so the sting operation is not 100% possible in my mind.But if i get over the fbi thing, i see no relevant action from how Michael could play a role for catching the target. What role and what target? How can he help being dead or did a fake death actually contribute to it? It's been 2 years so i'm not sure this was his role he would have returned by now. When we talk about it from a general perspective it all makes such a great sense but when we dig and ask in a concrete way: who is the target? what is his role? how could he help exaclty? we get stucked and abandon saying well, we don't know everything, time will tell. BUt time is being pushed and pushed and pushed. I wish you could just tell us what you know and that's it. At least you could have told us today expect for a very loong delay don't get dissapointed and you would have blown our minds with this FACT.
This is not a multilevel game, it's our life. If it were for a game i wouldn't have lost important things in my real life in these 2 years. Not for a game. And i don't need to be re-educated either, neither taught and learnt how to think. I just want to know if Michael is okay and if he will ever return. That's all. I can take care of myself and my own education in my real life. Here i am for Michael, not for me.
GREAT post. I agree..but I DO realize, that IF genuine, how could TS tell us or make us believe him? I think we need to just go with the flow. Take what we can from him, analyze his info and the info we get from him and see if it works. So far, some solutions are solid. Right? I don't think we'll get what we want from him nor can we.
I also agree, that this has turned into a game. Until TS it wasn't. It was research. That's cool by me, I love that. I don't like games nor do I have interest in wasting time on one. I could be wasting it researching Elvis lol!! :)
I didn't want to learn how to learn either or I'd be back in college. I don't want to be a sheep or goat either. I want to simply know the truth. I want to know if someone seems to be in the know...PROVE you are right. So far..TS has given us clues, but, nothing to say to us...geez, he's RIGHT..he does KNOW.
Perhaps, during this sting, if you believe it is one, there was the opportunity for Michael to regain what was lost because of what was done in trying to destroy him. Evidence was there that showed he was being "hunted" for his catalog and the corruption drizzled down to the local level, where it would have to begin...and the hopes where Michael would lose ALL and have to sell that catalog. He did lose. He lost the opportunity for freedom, a chance to sell his music as before, his sanity, his pride. There was sneers, even if just self imposed. There were accusations. Those very accusations are now BLOWN up!! All the press and DA wanted us to believe is represented once again. Thus, again, seeing who believes it. This all will expose who was behind it...(and not just the little guy Sneddon alone)... and all the slander back then and that they spew now too!!
This is my opinion...but, I think as far as ts...absorb what you can...related it to what you believe and see if you can use it. He seems to play with us and hopefully, we can find a way to get him to show us he's accurate.
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The postponement of the trial is maybe due to an external event and there's no other solution than to delay it, it's an ARG so not everything can go 100% like planned. It's been a long ride for everyone and I'm sure for Michael even more. We are here for him but do we all know what Michael wants from us? Maybe that he wants a little more than just us knowing he's alive. There is a reason for everything even if the reason does not seem clear at the time. Time will tell all that's why patience is required.
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wow....I'm sure everybody will come around soon :mrgreen:
anyway, I was thinking.....Michael didn't want to make those 50 shows, but OTHERS always wanted him to do all sort of things ....right, they were greedy....this happened to Michael all his life.
He was the megastar who made millions for those around.
His own mother pushed him in the past to make shows he never wanted to do.
These were just some random thoughts.
If this is a sting operation, like some of you already said, who's the target and how could Michael's faked death help FBI to catch some criminals? But who are they?!
I was thinking today if they could be the estate attorneys?! In 2003 Michael fired John Branca, just to rehire him around the London shows. The same with Frank Dileo. What do we really know about these 2 people?
Look at this post:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/ ... hael-63190 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/thr-esq/john-branca-finally-talks-michael-63190)
"Yesterday, TMZ reported that music attorney John Branca of the Ziffren Brittenham firm was re-hired by Michael Jackson three weeks ago and that he has a copy of the late singer's will. But court papers filed yesterday by Michael Jackson's mother say the family hasn't been able to locate any will.
So who's right? We spoke to Branca today, and from his first interview on the subject we can confirm that Branca has been appointed as co-executor of the Jackson estate and that an announcement about the will is forthcoming.
............Branca says he was re-hired by Michael himself two weeks ago in preparation for the singer's planned comeback tour. ..................
So what did he and Michael talk about? "We discussed how to exploit his valuable brand and the upcoming concert," says Branca.
Branca was as shocked as anyone to hear the news last week that Michael had been rushed to the hospital. Now, as co-executor of the estate, Branca will be handling the music publishing agreements that will earn the estate significant revenues over the coming years. This is the lawyer's specialty. Last year, for example, Branca represented the Rodgers & Hammerstein Org in a $250 million sale of the rights to hit broadway musicals.
When asked about the will, Branca let this tidbit fly:
"The will hasn't been filed yet," he said.
Would Branca confirm the existence of the much talked-about Michael Jackson will? THR's Roger Friedman has been reporting for days that Jackson drafted a will in 2002, dividing his estate among his mother, three children, and charities (but not his father), and that the will should be filed in Los Angeles Superior Court as soon as Thursday.
"It'll all be clear within 48 hours," he responded. "Much more will be revealed soon."
"In the Michael Jackson probate case, Branca produced Jackson's final will and testament, which designated Branca as executor. The Jackson family filed a preemptive probate action in the Los Angeles Superior Court, based on the allegation that Jackson died "intestate," without a valid will. Branca filed the will in Los Angeles on July 1, 2009 and was appointed co-executor." Joseph said the will is fake? Is it fake or not?
"In 2003, Michael Jackson launched an investigation into Mr. Branca's suspected embezzlement activities regarding Michael Jackson's money. It was reported that there was a relationship between Sony Executive Tommy Mottola and John Branca whereby Mr. Branca and Mr. Mottola were involved in an offshore account in the Caribbean and Sony was transferring money into that account which implied that it was to benefit Mr. Branca.
INTERFOR REPORT: The Interfor Report caused Michael Jackson great anger and Michael Jackson demanded Mr. Branca to never have anything to do with him, his business, his family, or his personal life again. Michael Jackson Terminated Mr. Branca because of what he learned. Why would Mr. Jackson rehire this attorney to become an executor of his estate? Mr. Branca claims that Mr. Jackson rehired him just 8 days before Mr. Jackson was murdered. As the truth unfolds, it is obvious why Mr. Jackson feared for his life!
Additionally, Mr. Branca has just recently made a $200 million guaranteed contract with Sony Music Entertainment for 10 projects over seven years. "
Maybe it's all about Sony....maybe they are the target, but I don't see in what way
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Sorry for the long post, I really don't like to make long posts.
The idea is that I think it is suspicious that Michael rehired Branca 2 weeks before London shows even if in the past he said he wanted Branca out for good, that Branca knew about the will while Ms. Katherine had no idea, that no hoax theories are allowed to be discussed on the official site michaeljackson.com.....and while we know very well how Michael felt about Sony, why would he allow Sony to run the Michael Jackson official site?
There's something about this whole picture that doesn't sound right to me.
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Thanks TS for the next level. :D
I really wish I could participate in this, but for one, i have no expertise on these subjects, and for two, ive been very busy with other stuff the past few months. However, I am very intrigued by the discussions that occur in these topics, so I like to follow them and read what others are saying. I see that the trial has been delayed again, now it's September. Why is it constantly being delayed? :roll:
Anyway, let me just moonwalk out of the way, moonwalk_/
(ive been dying to use that :lol:)
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I to admit that I do not like this delay.. but I do not go away until all that ends :roll: :evil:
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pale/
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Is this discussion proposed by TS may have something to do with this delay?
Just think a coincidence one day before the announcement of the postponement of the trial! confused/ confused/ confused/
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it was in plan already.
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I think it is a hoax court. No charges were read out loud and we have no evidence that Murray was ever arrested.
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PureLove said:" A question to debunk my theory:
If everyone doesn't know about the hoax, didn't they realize something weird is going on with all the toys in the courtroom?"
Is it possible that these toys we are seeing were photoshopped into the pictures? Why? I have no clue. I just don't really believe anything is what it is. The toys in the courtroom just do not fit a real court.
The toys were there, in the courtroom. People who were inside the courtroom like MJHoaxLive (Twiggy) reported about the toys. They're not photoshopped.
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1. TS, i hope i am not asking too much but did you know about this long delay?
This is not a multilevel game, it's our life. If it were for a game i wouldn't have lost important things in my real life in these 2 years. Not for a game. And i don't need to be re-educated either, neither taught and learnt how to think. I just want to know if Michael is okay and if he will ever return. That's all. I can take care of myself and my own education in my real life. Here i am for Michael, not for me.
GREAT post. I agree..but I DO realize, that IF genuine, how could TS tell us or make us believe him? I think we need to just go with the flow. Take what we can from him, analyze his info and the info we get from him and see if it works. So far, some solutions are solid. Right? I don't think we'll get what we want from him nor can we.
I think TS didn't know about the delay of the trial because he just wrote that we were very close to the end which is now seems too far away. About the issue if TS can make us believe that he is an insider, there's only one option. I wrote it a year ago. We decide for a secret code and someone PMs it to TS and TS asks the Jacksons to make a tweet with the code we chose. One of the Jacksons make the tweet and BAM! It's that simple to be sure that he has an inside info. When I first wrote it, people told me that TS didn't need to prove anything. But I think after 2 years and after the delayed trial, when our hopes and patience are getting lost, I think we NEED to learn if we have a genuine source.
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Ain't gonna happen purelove. He doesn't have to and he won't because even if people are questioning and disgruntled, they are still going to keep checking TS posts to see if their current opinion regarding him proves true. So moot point.
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TS....me again...griping again...sorry. I do SOOOO appreciate you help, and I DO understand your position, as you state it to be in regards to this hoax/sting.
But, TS, honestly, today has sent some of our members into depression and despair.
I'm really hoping that you can ease them...help with some sort of reaffirmation...give them something to hold onto. They feel hopeless and like their world is being yanked from them.
You say you cannot reveal more than you do, but I really hope you can find a way to help my new FANily here...they, we all love Michael and want to help and understand.
If you can help them...please find a way...
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TS wrote: We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
We must remember the ferocious hunting by the Tom Sneddon district attorney evidence of falsification of evidence by the Prosecutor and the LAPD, which was reflected in the own summary of the case, and the contribution of the media sowing doubt as to his innocence.
Journalist William Wagener has denounced the case of the manufacture of the evidence and corruption in this and other cases before the superior court of Santa Maria. Also that laws were changed so that certain judges were re-elected without choice, so that could help the accusations to Michael.
The also speaks of the case of Murray the trial will be done so that no one come out sharp and explains the corruption of judges in the State of California, compared with the case of 2005. There are people who have accused Sneddon of attempting to ruin their careers or their political campaigns manufactured evidence.
The trial of 2005 is the worst episode in the life of Michael, that damage to the today still persists thanks to the media, which is reason enough to want to expose these corrupt, ..sufficient reason for revenge
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Ain't gonna happen purelove. He doesn't have to and he won't because even if people are questioning and disgruntled, they are still going to keep checking TS posts to see if their current opinion regarding him proves true. So moot point.
There will be no need to question about his credibility no more if he does the thing I wrote. He doesn't have to but we NEED it so badly, especially right now! I'm not saying the hoax has been made according to our needs but after 2 years I believe that most of us lost our patience. And we need something to motive us again.
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TS wrote: We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
We must remember the ferocious hunting by the Tom Sneddon district attorney evidence of falsification of evidence by the Prosecutor and the LAPD, which was reflected in the own summary of the case, and the contribution of the media sowing doubt as to his innocence.
Journalist William Wagener has denounced the case of the manufacture of the evidence and corruption in this and other cases before the superior court of Santa Maria. Also that laws were changed so that certain judges were re-elected without choice, so that could help the accusations to Michael.
The also speaks of the case of Murray the trial will be done so that no one come out sharp and explains the corruption of judges in the State of California, compared with the case of 2005. There are people who have accused Sneddon of attempting to ruin their careers or their political campaigns manufactured evidence.
The trial of 2005 is the worst episode in the life of Michael, that damage to the today still persists thanks to the media, which is reason enough to want to expose these corrupt, ..sufficient reason for revenge
UMMM....THAT'S what I've been saying!!!! I said it all over this forum and the chat!! We need to wake up..but, it don't just start with Sneddon...he's the little guy. Look beyond him. With Michael..it's easy to see beyond Sneddon. We KNOW where the coverup came from.
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All we need is his thoughts about the trial. Why the delayed? Did the death of Bin Laden affected the plan? Just tell us something TS. That's all... ;)
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Ain't gonna happen purelove. He doesn't have to and he won't because even if people are questioning and disgruntled, they are still going to keep checking TS posts to see if their current opinion regarding him proves true. So moot point.
There will be no need to question about his credibility no more if he does the thing I wrote. He doesn't have to but we NEED it so badly, especially right now! I'm not saying the hoax has been made according to our needs but after 2 years I believe that most of us lost our patience. And we need something to motive us again.
You tell me, there is NO way that TS can give an affirmation to authenticity? Really? Not one thing that we can say "WOW he was right"? I think PureLove is right...
TS look at her idea..modify it if needed. Or...give us something to ponder as you do and let us see that you are correct. Like I've said...this is effecting people who love Michael...they need hope...
We realize you don't have to help the group hold on...or trust either...but Michael is about loving his fans and some have taken about all they can without walking, and 2 years is a lot of love.
I'm sure YOU can figure out something... ;)
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Maybe boycotting the TIAI threads will encourage him to respond. He always seems to pop up once people stop posting/reading his 35+ page threads. Maybe no one should post or read them until he posts some answers.
Hey! It worked for civil rights....maybe it will work for hoax rights? Just a thought......
rr/ (I will cooly walk away now with my Afro and shades on......anyone joining? rr/ Don't forget your Afro and shades.....you will look cool walking away then.)[/color] ;)
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If advertisment was on this forum, i could swear TS is just trying to keep us here mj_bad/
Souza tol me in the chatroom: "im not ts i dont know everything".
Members are not that stupid , they have discovered the hoax in the first place and manipulation is insulting.
Anyways
PureLove, you idea is very nice and easy. And of course it's important to know (not WHO is TS, but WHERE does his knowledge come from. KNOWING FACTS OR ASSUMING - one changes everything. I want to know who's telling us we've made progress, because only a person who has the correct answers is entitled to lead us and create us hope. If not, better don't depress everyone just like today when it was obvious TS is not in the know.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=18973#p327878
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It's like a domino effect...as soon as we found out the trial was delayed (which wasn't even a suprise to us) everything all fell down...we just need to relax...this could of been part of the plan, maybe TS knew this all along...but I agree TS needs to give us some answers, I still believe TS knows more than he is letting on...he definetly holding some things back...where do we go from here?
If TS doesn't answer soon I guess it means it's time to give up...joke
But I have to say I am upset that the trial us delayed if it is happening...MJ I knew you played hard but I didn't know you were this cruel...I'm sorry but I feel better saying what I think even if it doesn't sound so nice.
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Thing with TS started before , the delay is just the drop that fills the cup.
anwefan, totally agree with you but you can't keep members away.
there will always have the good old back up: TS knew but didn't/couldn't tell. Even when he actually says the opposite. crash/
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This is a reminder of what happened to Elvis Presley's dr. since the parallels are the same. I believe it took 4 years before the doctor was even convicted...........I can't post the video, but the link is here.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xagwek ... os-fi_news (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xagwek_elvis-dr-nick-george-nichopoulos-fi_news)
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Ain't gonna happen purelove. He doesn't have to and he won't because even if people are questioning and disgruntled, they are still going to keep checking TS posts to see if their current opinion regarding him proves true. So moot point.
There will be no need to question about his credibility no more if he does the thing I wrote. He doesn't have to but we NEED it so badly, especially right now! I'm not saying the hoax has been made according to our needs but after 2 years I believe that most of us lost our patience. And we need something to motive us again.
That's what my feeling too..... bounce/ bounce/ bounce/
I believe MJ is Alive but...
The news of delay really made me down and ... errrr
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He doesn't have to and he won't because even if people are questioning and disgruntled, they are still going to keep checking TS posts to see if their current opinion regarding him proves true. So moot point.
I understand what you mean. He doesn't need to prove anything because he is followed blindly anyway. Maybe that was the problem from the beginning.
This "informer " position was voluntary and unhindered created with the support and the endorsement of the ones who vouched for him. From the top to the bottom.
Now when people ask normal stuff like "how do you know that" (question which should have naturally come from the start) , it's too late and uncalled maybe. And probably rude and demanding. WHy did you wake up? Ok, you've progressed, now let's move on.
But enough, i'll just try to moonwalk_/ around without any more comments.
michael-jackson/ LOVE THE SMILIES, SOUZA!
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bearhug group hug.
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No I didn't mean it like that. No one forces people to participate in TIAI threads. Those of us who want to, do it of our own accord. People have free choice to participate or to choose not to. There has always been controversy surrounding the mystery and motives of TS. We have a thread here on the board specificly for that. And this latest flare up is small potatoes in comparison to previous bumps in the road. Previous collective tantrums have not resulted in demands being met or addressed. And much to his credit, ridicule and peoples opinions have neither diverted him from his direction and plan. He must have rhinoscerous skin. But as for us, today specificly we are tired our emotions have had a jolt with the prospect of a lengthy delay in the trial start, but we will settle ourselves again and find our composure. This I believe.
Now I had better add my view on the trial so as to at least appear to stick to topic
Trial is a hoax trial. The questionare for the jury was too crazy to be real. And has anybody ever seen a mug picture of Murray? If there was one I'm sure TMZ would have posted it. They do those sort of things.
And for the record. TS, I remember saying for you to take as long as you like in a previous thread but somehow I wasn't expecting this long. However I am here for the l-o-n-g haul.
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much to his credit, ridicule and peoples opinions have neither diverted him from his direction and plan. He must have rhinoscerous skin
i called it an autistic style.
He's not guilty for our distorted projections and no one forces people to read or participate on his topics. But it's a matter of honesty and fair game to let members know if his knowledge is based on facts or just assumptions like everyone else.
Members weren't forced to read or follow him but he wasn't forced to arrogate himself the leader role either. Do yo think he isn't aware of what he was/is doing? You don't doubt his intelligence i'm sure. He created this by his own. He started with the highly important cryptical messenger and people burned their brains with the reward of quoting another confusing message, he is the one one who tells members when progress has been made, he is the one with the power to "graduate" "students"", he is the one who likes the teacher and guidance role , he builts all this so i don't see why shouldn't he assume this position when being asked reasonable questions too.
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bearhug group hug.
bearhug beerchug
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No I didn't mean it like that. No one forces people to participate in TIAI threads. Those of us who want to, do it of our own accord. People have free choice to participate or to choose not to. There has always been controversy surrounding the mystery and motives of TS. We have a thread here on the board specificly for that. And this latest flare up is small potatoes in comparison to previous bumps in the road. Previous collective tantrums have not resulted in demands being met or addressed. And much to his credit, ridicule and peoples opinions have neither diverted him from his direction and plan. He must have rhinoscerous skin. But as for us, today specificly we are tired our emotions have had a jolt with the prospect of a lengthy delay in the trial start, but we will settle ourselves again and find our composure. This I believe.
Now I had better add my view on the trial so as to at least appear to stick to topic
Trial is a hoax trial. The questionare for the jury was too crazy to be real. And has anybody ever seen a mug picture of Murray? If there was one I'm sure TMZ would have posted it. They do those sort of things.
And for the record. TS, I remember saying for you to take as long as you like in a previous thread but somehow I wasn't expecting this long. However I am here for the l-o-n-g haul.
It is not only about the trial delay. I made this post before the trial delay happened.
In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
TS, I've been following you and making comments on all of these threads. I have a huge respect for you but I do not see a progress or conclusion in any of your threads like you stated.
In level one, you say that we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. But I do remember that we talked about the possibilities about where and when it could have been taken. We never got to a conclusion like it was taken in advance. You are saying it right now. ALSO what happened to the leaf pattern inside of the ambulance? We discussed a lot about it but where's the conclusion?
In level two, you say that we found at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax. Where did we come to this conclusion? You were the one who suggested us that the FBI's possible involvement and again you are the one who is saying us that a couple of FBI agents are helping the hoax. How do we know it if you didn't say it to us? We didn't get to that conclusion in our discussion.
In level three, you say that we made progress. IF creating irrational theories and talking about if the bushes outside of the house changed is a progress, then yes we did lots of progress! Other than that, everyone stated their opinion and most of them were entitled to their opinions. How do we know which one is the right one? If there is no conclusion, why do we start discussing about it? What's the purpose? And as I wrote above, I do not see any conclusions on those threads like you stated and some of the things we discussed about are left behind without any mention about them like the leaf pattern.
I will be still stating my opinion about the trial and keep reading the posts and I do hope that we get to a conclusion at the end of it. Blessings.
I do not see any progress or conclusion at these threads. What happened to the leaf pattern issue that we discussed for pages? Why anyone is asking about this? I still stated my opinion about the trial and I'm not going to repeat myself but I do know that people will start to chase their own tails over and over and this will be named as a "progress". Yes, nobody forced us to read TS' posts and I do appreciate all the info he has given to us. But after some point, it started to look like a distraction tactic to me. And I see that many people who were not forced to read TS' posts started to feel the same like me. And afterall, I do not think that it hurts someone to be sure that TS has genuine information about the hoax. You can be calm and ok for another year or years with the hoax but personally my patience is almost over like most of the others. If Michael is not going to come back, I want to go back to my hoax free life. I'm tired, I'm frustrated, I'm disappointed. I've had migraine in the last 2 years and the headache is killing me. I do not need to count what the hoax has done to me psychologically I think. This lasted so so long and we're all so tired. Well at least most of us. I want it to end and I want to see Michael happy and healthy. And after 2 years I think we deserve an unfold on TS' mystery and his mysterious identity.
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Got this scripture in my head at the moment
PROVERBS13:12
Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when the desire comes, it is a tree of life.
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so ts couldn't sell us his product if we weren't willing to buy it ( kinda like tabloids). and we don't even know if he is giving us the truth but we can't wait for another fix ( kinda like junkies)
maybe he is a teacher after all ;)
you know i remember an article i was reading early on about how tabloids were so much bs or whatever but that the public just couldn't put them down. guess who it was that was saying this the man with the magic camara ;)
God i wonder how hard it would be to find that again.
well not now it is 1 and i have to get up at 6. oh God it =7 :lol:
goodnight :D
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so ts couldn't sell us his product if we weren't willing to buy it ( kinda like tabloids). and we don't even know if he is giving us the truth but we can't wait for another fix ( kinda like junkies)
maybe he is a teacher after all ;)
TS likes so much to study. I wonder in what experiment are we? Wasting so much time and energy on us...he already knows all the facts, he's above us, he's not investigating, right? He's here just for us. But is it an external reason? maybe to tell us the exact opposite of the hoax and distract us from the truth? Or a simple personal experiment? Testing the withstand the power of suggestion? Manipulation under emotional mass psychosis?
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@ heartphantom. Seems you are expending a lot of energy with the TS bashing too. Is that your purpose here?
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What a return of life to the threads when I thought we were falling asleep on leaf beds and ambu stretchers and pixelation speculations on gardening talents ...
Isn't it occuring that the frustration about the trial delay that has set in is manifesting now in questioning a somewhat "not acting like others" member? Isn't that transporting emotions from one aspect in your life to a person? Isn't that the mechanism of how "group dynamics" are being created and mobs are being constituted? Just asking.
We ARE helpless in this, we ARE spectators in this, this was and is and will be and will not change.
You may rant, find this injust, scream, get out fight a punching ball, knock down your neighbour, spit on the floor, whatever. It does not change the fact that we ARE spectators and passive factors only in many aspects in our life.
This is biblical wisdom: we are not in command, we are in the hands of God.
Whether the earth shakes, whether the storm comes up, whether the enemy is going after us - we are in the hands of God. It is not us having the steering wheel under command.
Why not take a step back, find the good in this delay for Michael, for us, for our families and USE this time for the better? God knows there are so many things to do to make this world a better place. Why not USE this time and get active and be glad that we have another summer "to get things right" in our personal little world?
This is having faith: being convinced of a good outcome for the better and giving all opportunity for the better.
Demanding TS or Michael or the judge or the government or God to make it right for you is a pretty lazy standpoint where you can sit back and watch others do the job. It's asking to be pampered, spoon-fed and staying minors.
It is us who are called for action by Michael since decennies.
If TS does not reply to demands and does not provide the "one and only path" (though he's giving quite a lot of directives), it is for not keeping us minors and without opinion. You don't have to be a fan or follower of TS to appreciate the fresh air he's puffing from time to time into these halls.
He's not master but he displays a lot of qualities and talents. That alone is nice to see.
I was here before TS. I appreciate his presence though I don't always agree and I will have my opinions and path with or without him. But as with every encounter on a travel: it was a pleasure meeting you TS, thanks for the gifts and you staying around.
As always there are two sides to a medal.
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
the courage to change the things I can;
and the wisdom to know the difference.
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Gooooood morning.
What's going on? Riot against TS here suspicious// ?
What happened to the brave investigators? Demading spoon feeding again suspicious// ?
You feel cheated or what? What makes you think you have the right to demand answers from TS just because you are depressed suspicious// ?
Back to work people (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/character00187.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/page/6)
How do you expect to grow if you don't push your brains to the limits of the hoax :twisted: ?!!
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My fault is being fair.
RK, i don't know why you are here either, but i could not be rude and ask you.
I've spent all night on a lot of topics, that's the least you could check before asking.
So no, that' not why i am being here and even if i was it doesn't concern me that you don't agree with me, just like it didn't concern me why you took TS side.
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Oh and I wanted to tell you that asking answers from TS is (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/sign0018.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/page/4)
moonwalk_/ moonwalk_/ moonwalk_/
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Demanding TS or Michael or the judge or the government or God to make it right for you is a pretty lazy standpoint where you can sit back and watch others do the job.
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It's unfair to call members lazy just because they ask TS questions. It's pretty normal after all the fuss. Why does he have to receive special treatment and why asking him questions like WHERE EXACLTY DID MEMBERS MADE PROGRESS is a sign of laziness? If i say something in forum i have to back up my story with arguments. If he "forgets" aren't we allowed to ask?
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Gooooood morning.
What's going on? Riot against TS here suspicious// ?
What happened to the brave investigators? Demading spoon feeding again suspicious// ?
You feel cheated or what? What makes you think you have the right to demand answers from TS just because you are depressed suspicious// ?
Back to work people (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/character00187.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/page/6)
How do you expect to grow if you don't push your brains to the limits of the hoax :twisted: ?!!
I have to say I welcome your positivity back, you seem refreshed.
Ok so the trial is delayed and now we are looking to TS for the answers...remember we have to think for ourselves even though we don't have all the answers or we think someonelse has them like TS...so I think it is better to rely on ourselves to find the answers...meaning when there is a problem we should not rush to TS, whether he has the answers or not...if MJ wants us to know something we will know...compared to non believers we are truely lucky because we know more than them...when life gives you lemons...no you don't make lemonade...you make grape juice and let the world wonder how you did it.
Suspiciousmind...your totally right group hug bearhug
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Something to cheer us all up, and then back to work..I love all you guys, and don't forget that... Keep the faith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM)
[youtube:2qctjq5q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM[/youtube:2qctjq5q]
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TS ALREADy chose for us what 's important to investigate at the moment so probably all the current, relevant and interesting topics will be left out again while this topic will reach to 80 pages with no conclusions. Good luck with the graduation!
typing/
i'm out moonwalk_/
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After doing a bit of searching on the subject, I believe this could be to expose the corruption in the court system in America. (PS. I am quoting from what I've read..not a biased opinion). Makes alot more sense to me now. So many documents are to be presented in court, yet none of them are legally binding....then how do they get away with it, within the court system.??
America's lawyers are controlled by the judges, and don't really work for you - that's why they sell you out to the government, or to the big companies that pay bribes.
There's some very special aspects about the way American lawyers are controlled by American judges, which is central to why America's legal corruption is so much worse than any other advanced nation. Even if you are paying an American lawyer huge amounts of money, he or she doesn't really work for you, and in fact may sell you down the river to the jailhouse.
American lawyers are directly under the thumb of the judges and the government, and must submit to the culture of bribery and perversion of justice, or else face terrifying revenge. Lawyers, just like you, can be instantly jailed by an American judge on flimsy pretexts, and American lawyers can be quickly stripped of their right to practice law, and personally and financially destroyed, if they dare to criticize legal corruption. Lawyers who try to fight the system can find themselves not only dis-barred, but also criminally charged and jailed, and no other lawyer will help them. It is a horribly crooked system in America.
This is different from other advanced countries, where lawyers are usually a professional guild, whose status and right to practice law, is under the control of only their fellow lawyers. This means that, in other countries, the judges and the government cannot easily ruin or attack the lawyers for purely political reasons. This is also part of why, in other developed countries, outside of America, you really do see brave lawyers fighting for un-popular clients, or challenging the government, and asking for justice.
But in America, it's different. Over the past century, the American lawyers lost the right to regulate themselves, and instead fell under the power of the judges. So American lawyers are afraid to do things in court, that the judges don't want them to do. America's army of nearly 1 million lawyers, is almost totally under the control of a few thousand judges, with their entrenched culture of bribery and fraud and miscarriage of justice.
Some USA lawyers don't like this, but they are helpless and can't fight it. Most lawyers in America have, to one degree or another, signed up with the devil, to do things the way the devil wants them done.
That means that any time you hire an American lawyer, he already is in a conflict of interest. He has to make the judge happy first. And if the judge wants to make the government happy, or make somebody else happy who is paying a big bribe, then guess what? You are destroyed. It doesn't matter what you paid the lawyer. He works for the judge, first and foremost.
So a totally unique factor in USA legal corruption is the amazingly dishonest profession of American lawyers, these lawyers who "play the game" with America’s judges and politicians and police. It is a savage culture of legal fraud, where lawyers work with judges to rob and terrify people, especially minorities, but also foreigners, and above all those who dare to question the system.
This is different from other advanced countries, where lawyers are usually a professional guild, whose status and right to practice law, is under the control of only their fellow lawyers. This means that, in other countries, the judges and the government cannot easily ruin or attack the lawyers for purely political reasons. This is also part of why, in other developed countries, outside of America, you really do see brave lawyers fighting for un-popular clients, or challenging the government, and asking for justice.
But in America, it's different. Over the past century, the American lawyers lost the right to regulate themselves, and instead fell under the power of the judges. So American lawyers are afraid to do things in court, that the judges don't want them to do. America's army of nearly 1 million lawyers, is almost totally under the control of a few thousand judges, with their entrenched culture of bribery and fraud and miscarriage of justice.
Some USA lawyers don't like this, but they are helpless and can't fight it. Most lawyers in America have, to one degree or another, signed up with the devil, to do things the way the devil wants them done.
That means that any time you hire an American lawyer, he already is in a conflict of interest. He has to make the judge happy first. And if the judge wants to make the government happy, or make somebody else happy who is paying a big bribe, then guess what? You are destroyed. It doesn't matter what you paid the lawyer. He works for the judge, first and foremost.
So a totally unique factor in USA legal corruption is the amazingly dishonest profession of American lawyers, these lawyers who "play the game" with America’s judges and politicians and police. It is a savage culture of legal fraud, where lawyers work with judges to rob and terrify people, especially minorities, but also foreigners, and above all those who dare to question the system.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... va&aid=885 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=885)
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TS
Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose. Just bring into this thread discussion and evidence related to the focus of The Sting, and especially whether it is hoax court or sting court.
From this it sure doesn’t sound like he knew of the delay coming. As far as us sticking to the topic I think he must be shaking his head already. But I think he's a free spirit and in response to our pleading for answers, doesn't want to be tied down. Michael and TS are very patient, and so should we be. Just being away for a couple of days gives some new energy for all things MJ hoax! About TS saying we came to conclusions in levels 1, 2, and 3., somehow I think he is getting us to lay groundwork in establishing possible scenarios, so that when the courtroom drama unfolds, then I think we will have a clearer picture of what is happening.
And about the new question, I think it is a hoax trial. Besides the stuffed animals, I remember a while back someone did a study of people in the preliminaries showing how some in the courtroom were involved in MJ's world in other areas, saying they might have been actors. I still figure the numerology of things like the two 9282's in MJ's life, and the "4 years to get it right" point to long time execution for everything. 20 years ago he didn't know the FBI would be involved or who his enemies were or what or who would be needing correction and investigation. There's just something about the idea of the FBI doing a sting with this death hoax that doesn't ring true to me. Gina mentioned about how if it was real why even mention or discuss it here openly to not jeapardize the outcome. If the target is a few individuals like Branca who have been funneling off monies, why go to all this elaborate effort. If the target is doctors, how can hundreds/thousands of doctors feeding patient addictions be brought to justice this way. If the target is a large organized group like the justice system or the mafia, then lives could be at stake because they would think little of locking innocents up or knocking off people. Plus they're inextricably linked to governments and powerful rich people at the most high levels. I'm going to enjoy the discussion as people knowledgable in legal fields give their perspectives. In all this I can simply see "The greatest show on earth." Like a skilled hypnotist, I think TS is using the power of suggestion (saying it's a sting) and taking us on a virtual mental thrill ride to enjoy this work of art. afraid/ albino/
I love the new emoticons! penguin/ Thanks Souza!
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After doing a bit of searching on the subject, I believe this could be to expose the corruption in the court system in America. (PS. I am quoting from what I've read..not a biased opinion). Makes alot more sense to me now. So many documents are to be presented in court, yet none of them are legally binding....then how do they get away with it, within the court system.??
America's lawyers are controlled by the judges, and don't really work for you - that's why they sell you out to the government, or to the big companies that pay bribes.
There's some very special aspects about the way American lawyers are controlled by American judges, which is central to why America's legal corruption is so much worse than any other advanced nation. Even if you are paying an American lawyer huge amounts of money, he or she doesn't really work for you, and in fact may sell you down the river to the jailhouse.
American lawyers are directly under the thumb of the judges and the government, and must submit to the culture of bribery and perversion of justice, or else face terrifying revenge. Lawyers, just like you, can be instantly jailed by an American judge on flimsy pretexts, and American lawyers can be quickly stripped of their right to practice law, and personally and financially destroyed, if they dare to criticize legal corruption. Lawyers who try to fight the system can find themselves not only dis-barred, but also criminally charged and jailed, and no other lawyer will help them. It is a horribly crooked system in America.
This is different from other advanced countries, where lawyers are usually a professional guild, whose status and right to practice law, is under the control of only their fellow lawyers. This means that, in other countries, the judges and the government cannot easily ruin or attack the lawyers for purely political reasons. This is also part of why, in other developed countries, outside of America, you really do see brave lawyers fighting for un-popular clients, or challenging the government, and asking for justice.
But in America, it's different. Over the past century, the American lawyers lost the right to regulate themselves, and instead fell under the power of the judges. So American lawyers are afraid to do things in court, that the judges don't want them to do. America's army of nearly 1 million lawyers, is almost totally under the control of a few thousand judges, with their entrenched culture of bribery and fraud and miscarriage of justice.
Some USA lawyers don't like this, but they are helpless and can't fight it. Most lawyers in America have, to one degree or another, signed up with the devil, to do things the way the devil wants them done.
That means that any time you hire an American lawyer, he already is in a conflict of interest. He has to make the judge happy first. And if the judge wants to make the government happy, or make somebody else happy who is paying a big bribe, then guess what? You are destroyed. It doesn't matter what you paid the lawyer. He works for the judge, first and foremost.
So a totally unique factor in USA legal corruption is the amazingly dishonest profession of American lawyers, these lawyers who "play the game" with America’s judges and politicians and police. It is a savage culture of legal fraud, where lawyers work with judges to rob and terrify people, especially minorities, but also foreigners, and above all those who dare to question the system.
This is different from other advanced countries, where lawyers are usually a professional guild, whose status and right to practice law, is under the control of only their fellow lawyers. This means that, in other countries, the judges and the government cannot easily ruin or attack the lawyers for purely political reasons. This is also part of why, in other developed countries, outside of America, you really do see brave lawyers fighting for un-popular clients, or challenging the government, and asking for justice.
But in America, it's different. Over the past century, the American lawyers lost the right to regulate themselves, and instead fell under the power of the judges. So American lawyers are afraid to do things in court, that the judges don't want them to do. America's army of nearly 1 million lawyers, is almost totally under the control of a few thousand judges, with their entrenched culture of bribery and fraud and miscarriage of justice.
Some USA lawyers don't like this, but they are helpless and can't fight it. Most lawyers in America have, to one degree or another, signed up with the devil, to do things the way the devil wants them done.
That means that any time you hire an American lawyer, he already is in a conflict of interest. He has to make the judge happy first. And if the judge wants to make the government happy, or make somebody else happy who is paying a big bribe, then guess what? You are destroyed. It doesn't matter what you paid the lawyer. He works for the judge, first and foremost.
So a totally unique factor in USA legal corruption is the amazingly dishonest profession of American lawyers, these lawyers who "play the game" with America’s judges and politicians and police. It is a savage culture of legal fraud, where lawyers work with judges to rob and terrify people, especially minorities, but also foreigners, and above all those who dare to question the system.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... va&aid=885 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=885)
Yes, on the FBI website under public corruption there were a lot of bribery stories and it had a lot to do with the court system.
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So then the court has to be real ??? Or at least the Judge and prosecution...I'm not that cluey when it comes to law, but find it easier to watch videos about the subject...I found these two videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtQOnxVA ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtQOnxVAeIc&feature=related)
[youtube:myj0n25p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtQOnxVAeIc&feature=related[/youtube:myj0n25p]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlfzJy6jvE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlfzJy6jvE)
[youtube:myj0n25p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlfzJy6jvE[/youtube:myj0n25p]
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"Los Angeles has the best courts money can buy"
Interesting
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If you ar easily offended, I advise you NOT to read this post.
The word I see most in this discussion is actually just a vowel: I. I want answers, I am tired, I have to know, I, I, I, I, I. Do you really think this well planned hoax is going to end or be explained just because you demand it? Do you really think you have a say in it all? It's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and he has pretty damn good reasons to do it.
I am sick of this being a game because for me never was.
You really think this is just a game? Do you think this is all just a game for Michael? If you are so sick of it, get away from it and focus on stuff you do like. No one is forcing you to do anything.
In a short time no one will be here anymore. What is too much is too much. People will come and say "it's all going as planned", but it doesn't work anymore. I would really like to see a genuine real answer from TS. After all he's been struggling for 2 years to make people understand he has genuine informations and is a genuine informer.
I don't think we ask too much.
Do you think TS is here to keep everyone on this forum? Think again. TS is here to point out some things and start discussion which leads us to deeper investigation and new or better theories. He's not here to please us.
This is not a multilevel game, it's our life. If it were for a game i wouldn't have lost important things in my real life in these 2 years. Not for a game. And i don't need to be re-educated either, neither taught and learnt how to think. I just want to know if Michael is okay and if he will ever return. That's all. I can take care of myself and my own education in my real life. Here i am for Michael, not for me.
If you are here for Michael, you would be less selfish and investigate, instead of whining that you don't get the answers you want. It's not about you. If you think you don't have to be re-educated then you must be blessed with all the knowledge in the world. The stuff people have learned on this forum and how we have learned to think differently, is not something you will learn at school. If you don't need it fine, others are glad they have.
This is total BS. We have absolutely no proof that TS has any inside information, yet we are faithfully following his directions, which send us in circles chasing our tails. I, for one, am not convinced that TS knows any more than we do. He is just having fun at our expense.
That's some accusation. Is TS having fun? Probably at times but TS must have felt the need to throw his computer out of the window many times. He has been attacked and ridiculed and he always responded with grace. You might have no proof TS has inside information. To me he has proven himself many times. Who are you to judge someone like that?
I think TS didn't know about the delay of the trial because he just wrote that we were very close to the end which is now seems too far away. About the issue if TS can make us believe that he is an insider, there's only one option. I wrote it a year ago. We decide for a secret code and someone PMs it to TS and TS asks the Jacksons to make a tweet with the code we chose. One of the Jacksons make the tweet and BAM! It's that simple to be sure that he has an inside info. When I first wrote it, people told me that TS didn't need to prove anything. But I think after 2 years and after the delayed trial, when our hopes and patience are getting lost, I think we NEED to learn if we have a genuine source.
You believe this is a sting operation, but you also want TS to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is an insider. That really doesn't make sense. He already pointed out to the issue of entrapment. The hoax forums are helpful in that issue BECAUSE WE FIGURED IT OUT, not because someone told us. If TS would prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is who he says he is, people WILL follow him blindly and won't investigate and think for themselves anymore. That would mean people (and new members) will only believe in the hoax because TS tells them there is one. That would qualify as a cover-up for entrapment. Why do you think TS is so careful with his wording? Why do you think he simply can't answer certain questions or confirm things? Think about that. He gave you enough to show you and make you use your common sense to decide for yourself if he is genuine or not. He is not going to give you more than that, simply because he can't.
Maybe boycotting the TIAI threads will encourage him to respond. He always seems to pop up once people stop posting/reading his 35+ page threads. Maybe no one should post or read them until he posts some answers.
Boycot away, but don't think he's sensitive to that kind of blackmail. Many people, me included, will keep participating in the threads. TS doesn't need a large quantity of people where half of them only can complain about how tired they are and don't like to play games anymore. Just a few who are seriously trying to figure it out ON THEIR OWN is much more helpful.
If advertisment was on this forum, i could swear TS is just trying to keep us here
Souza tol me in the chatroom: "im not ts i dont know everything".
Members are not that stupid , they have discovered the hoax in the first place and manipulation is insulting.
Anyways
PureLove, you idea is very nice and easy. And of course it's important to know (not WHO is TS, but WHERE does his knowledge come from. KNOWING FACTS OR ASSUMING - one changes everything. I want to know who's telling us we've made progress, because only a person who has the correct answers is entitled to lead us and create us hope. If not, better don't depress everyone just like today when it was obvious TS is not in the know.
There is no advertisement on this forum, so TS and I are not conspiring to keep people here for the ads. Why even make such a statement? And if you are so depressed about all this, just keep away from the TIAI discussions. As you said yourself: "Members are not that stupid , they have discovered the hoax in the first place" so you don't need TS to keep your hopes up right?
He doesn't need to prove anything because he is followed blindly anyway.
By whom? Not by me and I don't think others are following him blindly. That is why there is actual discussion in the threads with backed up theories. TS never said how something was done, he merely gave us a direction and let us figure it out ourselves.
I do not see any progress or conclusion at these threads. What happened to the leaf pattern issue that we discussed for pages? Why anyone is asking about this? I still stated my opinion about the trial and I'm not going to repeat myself but I do know that people will start to chase their own tails over and over and this will be named as a "progress". Yes, nobody forced us to read TS' posts and I do appreciate all the info he has given to us. But after some point, it started to look like a distraction tactic to me. And I see that many people who were not forced to read TS' posts started to feel the same like me. And afterall, I do not think that it hurts someone to be sure that TS has genuine information about the hoax. You can be calm and ok for another year or years with the hoax but personally my patience is almost over like most of the others. If Michael is not going to come back, I want to go back to my hoax free life. I'm tired, I'm frustrated, I'm disappointed. I've had migraine in the last 2 years and the headache is killing me. I do not need to count what the hoax has done to me psychologically I think. This lasted so so long and we're all so tired. Well at least most of us. I want it to end and I want to see Michael happy and healthy. And after 2 years I think we deserve an unfold on TS' mystery and his mysterious identity.
No progress? Are you kidding me? Do you think the leaf-pattern is that important, or do you think TS wanted us to dissect the picture to come to the conclusion that it was photoshopped? Yes we already discussed the photoshopped picture, but in this thread we actually PROVED it. That is the progress of thread number 1.
As for thread number 2, we all came to the conclusion that the FBI is involved, backed up again with at least 2 or 3 good arguments. Thread number 3 left us with 2 theories: Real corpse or no boby at all. Lots of pages and we couldn't come to a conclusion. If TS would want to give us all the facts on a silver plate, he would have written plain out how this was done, but see my comment above where I explain why he can't and won't. It was time for a new discussion and maybe this 4th thread might help us solve the third. The basis is already there, the arguments for both sides have been given so as soon as we come to a conclusion for this thread, we have our conclusion for the 3rd as well. It's pieces of a puzzle which will fall into place if you have other pieces in the right place.
This discussion is making me angry because we have been through this before. There is a subforum where you can discuss TS so you don't have to go off-topic in this thread. Either participate in the discussions or get out of the threads. And if your life sucks that much because of this hoax, then quit and get your life back. You don't have to be here and frustrate yourself, you can continue your life and wait for the bam. It's all up to yourself and if you think you have been fooled, it's yourself you have to blame and no one else. But let people who do want to continue and discuss this have the oppotunity to do so without having to shift through all these selfish comments. Michael is not going to pop out of a cake because you want him to. TS is not going to tell you things he's not allowed to just because you want him to. If it's not going fast enough for you, simply get off the train and get on a plane, but don't complain later when people who stayed on the train tell you about all the things and little details they were able to see on their journey, while all you saw on your quick trip was sea and land. And think about this: Michael's head was set on fire in 1984, he was falsely accused of child molesting in 1993 and 2003. All his life people wanted a piece of him, wanted him to do stuff and were after his money and his life. That's 25 + 2 years of fucking PATIENCE and I am not even talking about what was done to him before 1984. And you are complaining about 2 lousy years? While if you want, you could take a long ass break from it? Do you think Mike could take a break from his life? From the snakes that were after him and his $$$?
Get real people and stop the selfishness. If you are here for Michael, then support him and stop demanding answers that can't be given yet, or his return. He doesn't owe you shit.
Below this post every single comment will be on topic. If you want to discuss TS and whether you think he's legit or not, go here: viewforum.php?f=127 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=127)
And if you want to whine about how much your life sucks because of this hoax, go here: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18198 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18198)
And if you're really sick of it all, go here: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11589 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11589)
I will probably again get attacks because I defend TS, but I have news for you: I don't give a shit. I am aware of the fact that TS can defend his own ass, but he's too fucking nice. Someone has to say it as it is.
I have to add: Gina, I am glad to see you keep investigating and not letting yourself get effected by the negativity. That is what I call progress as well!
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I suppose TS will come and answer all these people's questions.
Keep waiting
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Well, a lot of intelligent talk on here now! :)
But, I do have to defend us with the opinion of TS, in that...I AM NOT WANTING TO BE SPOON FED.
That is nuts to me. He came into our investigating forum, a place us who love Michael and don't believe he died, came to congregate and commiserated and try to figure out and affirm he is alive. He came in authoritative. Even if he did not say "listen to me, I KNOW"..the implication is THERE!.
Think how many others have come in and out of here and we want to know how they feel they have the KNOW. How those ones are getting the info they claim. PROVE YOURSELF. Back up what you say. But, with TS, there is so much "power" implied it's as though it's almost sacrilegious to even ask or doubt him. People get all crazy it you want proof of how he knows. LOOK at all the previous posts!!
I'm just saying, don't spoon feed me then. Don't offer anything--unless you can back it up!! By saying you "get to move to the next level" implies that we are correct on something!! If we are...he should be able to back up HOW HE KNOWS THAT. Seriously. If it were someone else...ME for instance, saying "no...that's NOT correct". "You can't move on, TS is not right". You would tell me how I know. Show proof. But, we take it that it's facts that we reach now. And, seriously, what are these facts?
Here, I'm NOT saying that I don't believe TS is in the know. I actually think he knows/or simply has a great since of reasoning. BUT...I also think he needs to qualify HOW and WHY. We demand as much of anyone else and ourselves. If you claim or act as though you lead TO answers, then respond as THOUGH you know which results are correct, you need so show HOW you can prove it.
This is a HUGE point in our unity. This is a HUGE MAP in the roads we take on this entire investigating process. If someone comes in here offering you a wrong turn would you want to know why you should deviate from the path you are taking or would you just go and perhaps waste you time and never get where you are going? NO. You would not. You may never gain anything.
This is what I'm saying. Even if I never get another morsel of infor, if I DO, I want to KNOW I have a reliable source.
ISN'T THIS WHAT MICHAEL WAS ABOUT??? He talked and sang about not reading/believing all you hear or read...and here we are. Putting faith and being lead without proof. ANY iota of proof to be lead would be sufficient. It don't matter that SOME of TS's facts have proven...some have not.
It's simple. We want everyone to back up what they say. Especially someone who tells us WE ARE CORRECT!!! If you can say THAT you are saying you KNOW. If you know, say...do something to let us know you DO. Like everyone else.
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ughh oh...I better go read Souza's post...I didn't before writing...I may should've been more defensive!! lol...
love u Souza..you know that :) bearhug
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All ya'll are off topic.
I think it is a hoax court. No charges were read out loud and we have no evidence that Murray was ever arrested.
Additionally, 3x 70 day periods between hearings in 2010 mirrors the 70 days between "death" and burial in 2009.
Prelim trial lasted from 1/4/11-->1/11/11 aka 7 days, with arraignment/formal plea entered on 1/25/11--> 21 days.
Also noteworthy:
1/25/10 was the 16 year anniversary of the settlement reached in 1994.
1/25/10 was the 7 month anniversary of "death".
1/25/10 was the 124 day of the hoax (1+2+4=7)*
1/25/10 was 70 days before Murray's first court date (4/5) in the MJ mans-laughter case.
1/25/10 was 7 days after Martin Luther King Day (1/18).
*also: 1/25/11 was the 489th day of the hoax, 4+8+9=21, 777.
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only those two options :? can we really prove one or the other of those without considering that it could be real court? just sayin' michael-jackson/
by the way ford , it's been nice knowin' ya ;)
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From what TS says, we will have many answers during the trial. If it is completely false, I do not think I could have any important information. Since I came to think that none of this exists and is just an illusion created by TMZ, but there are members here who have been in court and reported that they saw Murray and the judge.
Is there any chance Murray really being investigated for attempted murder? That would make the royal court, but with different reasons for investigation.
Regarding the delay, I've seen many trials to be postponed for up to five years. In this regard, It can happen in the larger courts.
I think my ideas are too limited to discuss this level. Better to leave and read just your posts.
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WHAT? I'm not leaving :) I love Michael. I love you all. I'm NOT against TS. I just question as you all do. I'm trying to find the truth too.
So, I guess we are suppose to discuss whether this is a hoax or sting court. I think it's a sting court. I do because I believe in the course of the FBI gathering info on Michael they did indeed find corruption on the SB court system. Michael's recourse in that was to sue and thus rehash all the negatives said about him or cooperate with this sting and bring into the open what was done. There was probably either things so corrupt in that court system that may have been done to others too, or things done to Michael WAY beyond that court that would've involved corruption beyond states or counties, thus fbi would have to investigate further.
I haven't figured out why a death scene would've been necessary yet though..
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From what TS says, we will have many answers during the trial. If it is completely false, I do not think I could have any important information. Since I came to think that none of this exists and is just an illusion created by TMZ, but there are members here who have been in court and reported that they saw Murray and the judge.
Is there any chance Murray really being investigated for attempted murder? That would make the royal court, but with different reasons for investigation.
Regarding the delay, I've seen many trials to be postponed for up to five years. In this regard, It can happen in the larger courts.
I think my ideas are too limited to discuss this level. Better to leave and read just your posts.
No circus, no show, no entertainment, not fake trial and judges, no fake legal papers to me.
Arguments:
1. Judge exists
Hon. Michael E. Pastor - at Superior Court of California, County of Los Angeles
Source: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/trial/judges.htm
2. Trial exists:
Case Number: SA073164
Case Title: Peo v Conrad Murray
Filing Date: 2010-05-04 10:54:51
Courthouse: Stanley Mosk Courthouse
Source: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51
3. Further documents filed in this trial exist:
Few examples:
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448818508.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448818504.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448500652.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448394711.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448040225.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447286684.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447044262.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447044019.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447044013.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447043951.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447043944.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1444456277.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1444456284.pdf
and much more arguments but this is already enough for me.
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So then you might as well use the DC and AR as proof that MJ is dead.
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My post was in reply to this one.
none of this exists and is just an illusion created by TMZ, but there are members here who have been in court and reported that they saw Murray and the judge.
I thought we had to discuss in theory but i did more than this, i came with specific proof that the trial, the judge, Murray, all this not an illusion.
Bec, ask TS if you need more, i'm not in the know, that's my contribution limited with what i have.
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Of course court is going on at a physical location with real people on the days/times recorded, but the proceedings and rulings are staged and scripted I believe.
Souza reminded me, single charge from the DA for Murray? Highly unusual and more evidence that it is a hoax court.
Ps. I don't need more and I'm not asking you anything. I am debunking your theory.
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We shoudl probably define hoaxed trial.
1.A court who's in on hoax, bribed, sting operation whatever.
2. An illusion , a movie, a circus.
s. I don't need more and I'm not asking you anything. I am debunking your theory.
You have nothing to debunk. It's not a theory, it's a fact. The existance of this trial is a fact.
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TS already did define a hoax trial as one where the judge and prosecutors and defense are all in on it.
Sting trial is defined as one where either the judge or prosecutors are not in on it. Someone please correct me if I have misinterpreted the original post on this thread.
I think the judge has to be in on it because of the dates he's setting (70 days), the fact that he did not announce the charge, did not make Murray stand to deliver his plea, and is not batting an eye at the toys all over his court room.
I think the prosecutors have to be in on the trial because Murray is only being charged with a single count.
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Wow! You go Souza. Teach! Like you, see, I'd rather be WISE than CLEVER. respect/
I think the court thing is really intriguing. The Court of Last Resort. The Court of Public Opinion. The Kangaroo Court. The Truth & Reconciliation Court (South Africa). The Sting Court. The Hoax Court. The King's Court.
I think it will be both. I mean, no one said that this was just a GAME. No one said that this is just a MOVIE. Again, life is a game. Life is a reality film. Just check out all of the staging that was done concerning Bin Laden. The Whole World is a Stage after all.
I think first and foremost, MJ was in it to win it. It being the POWER to be able to hold on to his works (whether that be owning the Beatles catalog - among others or not), because even though he Acquired the catalogs, it was still an act of his Working to get it done. If someone was still trying to ply it out of his sweet huge hands, then that would have been enough to engage in a sting operation.
Because I also believe that MJ is doing an ARG/Movie, I think it could also be a hoax court. After all TS, if it is not a HOAX COURT, then what are we doing here? Is this a hoax or not? Did MJ hoax/fake his "death" or not? Is this hoax a continuation of Gilda or not? And on and on.
Also, I hear people talking about Chernoff (Doc Murray's lawyer) like he could not be part of the hoax. Remember, the fake patients listed on his website? And the USA (and other countries) at times acts out many of their government issues in the media (stage) like a global reality film, many of these professionals are cross trained in acting (and could be getting paid). Trust! Look now, Arnold S. (ex Cali governor) is thinking about running for President. President Reagan was an actor before Governor and President, so these people believe in acting out. I find all of it odd now in retrospect, and have for many years. It's almost like it is a joke.
And yes, the US court systems are truly kangaroo like - in many instances. Many believe that they aren't any better than third world counties, what with the corruption that has gone on in the past and still continues to this very day. Congress and the Senate are staging areas. Talkin' 'bout kangaroo. And some call us Conspiracy Theorists, when all governments all over the world, along with some in other areas (think religious entities) conspire and have conspired for thousands of years against US human beings. They are the true conspirators. 24/7.
As it pertains to GAME OVER & Alternate Reality Game, Omer's song where he sings - "I NEVER STOPPED PLAYING. I'M ALWAYS IN THE GAME. BEFORE THEY CAME (meaning others new to the ent. industry - Rappers and the like - Justin et al, MJ was here first - and will always be a hit maker). ALONE I FEEL PAIN (he was feeling pain when others weren't - he's paid his dues and more). I'M GIFTED. IT AIN'T HARD TO KNOW (speaks for itself). TIME TO STEP TOGETHER AND GIVE THEM ALL WE OWE (owe = PAYBACK-REVENGE)." Those are MJ's words. Some people say that "this is not a game. And "I don't like playing games. And,"MJ wouldn't play games. MJ wouldn't do this." Please. MJ has done this. It's his game whether some like it or not. The main thing he is trying to convey by this game stuff is this, in my opinion. He is ON TOP of T(HIS) game. It's that simple. It's a slang word. Hasn't he always been on top of his game? I think so.
MJ doesn't need any of our permission in seeking his Revenge or how he goes about it. He's on top of it, and it don't stop ‘til the BAM drops. moonwalk_/
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Some people say that "this is not a game. And "I don't like playing games. And,"MJ wouldn't play games. MJ wouldn't do this."
MJ wouldn't have addiction problems
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heartphantom, I think you're missing the point. Of course court is really going on and really in the system... but the proceedings are scripted. The judge and prosecutors and (of course) defense are all in on it and their moves and words are scripted. Minor employees of the court (including those that enter records in the system) are not, and are only on a need-to-know basis. They do their jobs like every day. They know not that this entire thing is a hoax.
What defines your reality? Records entered by a minimum wage worker on a website?
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What defines your reality? Records entered by a minimum wage worker on a website?
What defines yours? Cryptical messages from anonymus sources and clues that we might never know if they were clues?
Don't get me wrong, just like i take all theories as possible i have to be pragmatic and looks at facts too.
Balance is the key.
And if this trial is hoaxed why was it started in the first place? For a FBI sting operation you might answer. But how do you know that for sure? All our assumptions are bound with other assumptions to fix in the right place. If one goes down it's domino. What would you say if would find FBI is not in on hoax? Would you believe Michael is dead?
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What defines your reality? Records entered by a minimum wage worker on a website?
What defines yours? Cryptical messages from anonymus sources and clues that we might never know if they were clues?
Don't get me wrong, just like i take all theories as possible i can't dismiss facts.
Common sense and logic which are the same things that cause me to determine from all the information available that MJ is not dead.
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If it's a hoax court then why would the FBI be involved? Maybe the investigation of corruption is for the LAPD? I'm so unsure of all that...and these toys in the courtroom confused/
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I want everyone ranting at TS for not knowing the trial would be delayed, to reread his post. I will quote some of it:
We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
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Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose.
So was TS unaware of the fact that the trial would be delayed, or did he actually tell you a day before the mainstream media did? Here is the definition of a hearing:
In law, a hearing is a proceeding before a court or other decision-making body or officer, such as a government agency.
A hearing is generally distinguished from a trial in that it is usually shorter and often less formal. In the course of litigation, hearings are conducted as oral arguments in support of motions, whether to resolve the case without further trial on a motion to dismiss or for summary judgment, or to decide discrete issues of law, such as the admissibility of evidence, that will determine how the trial proceeds. Limited evidence and testimony may also be presented in hearings to supplement the legal arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_(law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_(law))
He didn't say: "as well as the new information that we will get during the trial" or "Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the trial"
Is TS unaware of the definition of "hearing"? I don't think so. I think people jumped to conclusions too fast...again.
And why would a trial delay surprise anyone? Everything has been delayed a gazillion times, this shouldn't be a shocker. Why have a trial with 12 jury members, having to leave their jobs for weeks for a bogus trial? People and press attending the hearings do so voluntarily, jury members would not. That is why it has been delayed again and in my opinion probably will never start.
That said, I can finally comment on the actual topic in my next post.
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Okay, to me this quote of TS
TS wrote:We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
Is saying...
"Two different theories"...as in the theory of their being corruption in the past trial by SB, "running along side" , on this metaphor of the murray trial.
"The research of the previous"..corruption of previous trial, as well as "the new information" the new trial which will clear the "previous info"..."during the hearings"
"the two theories will then fall into place"....:)
and the "other" old corruption trial "will fall apart".
Thus paving the road for Michael to return.
JUST MY OPINION
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Wow! You go Souza. Teach! Like you, see, I'd rather be WISE than CLEVER. respect/
I think the court thing is really intriguing. The Court of Last Resort. The Court of Public Opinion. The Kangaroo Court. The Truth & Reconciliation Court (South Africa). The Sting Court. The Hoax Court. The King's Court.
I think it will be both. I mean, no one said that this was just a GAME. No one said that this is just a MOVIE. Again, life is a game. Life is a reality film. Just check out all of the staging that was done concerning Bin Laden. The Whole World is a Stage after all.
I think first and foremost, MJ was in it to win it. It being the POWER to be able to hold on to his works (whether that be owning the Beatles catalog - among others or not), because even though he Acquired the catalogs, it was still an act of his Working to get it done. If someone was still trying to ply it out of his sweet huge hands, then that would have been enough to engage in a sting operation.
Because I also believe that MJ is doing an ARG/Movie, I think it could also be a hoax court. After all TS, if it is not a HOAX COURT, then what are we doing here? Is this a hoax or not? Did MJ hoax/fake his "death" or not? Is this hoax a continuation of Gilda or not? And on and on.
Also, I hear people talking about Chernoff (Doc Murray's lawyer) like he could not be part of the hoax. Remember, the fake patients listed on his website? And the USA (and other countries) at times acts out many of their government issues in the media (stage) like a global reality film, many of these professionals are cross trained in acting (and could be getting paid). Trust! Look now, Arnold S. (ex Cali governor) is thinking about running for President. President Reagan was an actor before Governor and President, so these people believe in acting out. I find all of it odd now in retrospect, and have for many years. It's almost like it is a joke.
And yes, the US court systems are truly kangaroo like - in many instances. Many believe that they aren't any better than third world counties, what with the corruption that has gone on in the past and still continues to this very day. Congress and the Senate are staging areas. Talkin' 'bout kangaroo. And some call us Conspiracy Theorists, when all governments all over the world, along with some in other areas (think religious entities) conspire and have conspired for thousands of years against US human beings. They are the true conspirators. 24/7.
As it pertains to GAME OVER & Alternate Reality Game, Omer's song where he sings - "I NEVER STOPPED PLAYING. I'M ALWAYS IN THE GAME. BEFORE THEY CAME (meaning others new to the ent. industry - Rappers and the like - Justin et al, MJ was here first - and will always be a hit maker). ALONE I FEEL PAIN (he was feeling pain when others weren't - he's paid his dues and more). I'M GIFTED. IT AIN'T HARD TO KNOW (speaks for itself). TIME TO STEP TOGETHER AND GIVE THEM ALL WE OWE (owe = PAYBACK-REVENGE)." Those are MJ's words. Some people say that "this is not a game. And "I don't like playing games. And,"MJ wouldn't play games. MJ wouldn't do this." Please. MJ has done this. It's his game whether some like it or not. The main thing he is trying to convey by this game stuff is this, in my opinion. He is ON TOP of T(HIS) game. It's that simple. It's a slang word. Hasn't he always been on top of his game? I think so.
MJ doesn't need any of our permission in seeking his Revenge or how he goes about it. He's on top of it, and it don't stop ‘til the BAM drops. moonwalk_/
I always love what you have to say, peacock. I recognize you from before... respect/ (wink). Anyway, you say what you say very well and your knowledge about many things is vast. "Jam" is a good song to think about too. "It ain't too much for" Michael.
In any case, I like this topic. Thanks, TS. I've always believed in the STING. I said that long ago by posting a movie poster from the Redford/Newman movie. Unfortunately, I don't have time to think through this the way I should or share my thoughts now -- I'm still pondering/researching and when I have a break from work, I'll be here to comment and will try to make sense of my theory. (And then debunk it argue/ )
Peace. bearhug
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only those two options :? can we really prove one or the other of those without considering that it could be real court? just sayin' michael-jackson/
by the way ford , it's been nice knowin' ya ;)
Sting court would be a real court, but if you mean a court to just try Murray for manslaughter, I can't seem to get my head to accept that. geek/
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I think TS didn't know about the delay of the trial because he just wrote that we were very close to the end which is now seems too far away. About the issue if TS can make us believe that he is an insider, there's only one option. I wrote it a year ago. We decide for a secret code and someone PMs it to TS and TS asks the Jacksons to make a tweet with the code we chose. One of the Jacksons make the tweet and BAM! It's that simple to be sure that he has an inside info. When I first wrote it, people told me that TS didn't need to prove anything. But I think after 2 years and after the delayed trial, when our hopes and patience are getting lost, I think we NEED to learn if we have a genuine source.
You believe this is a sting operation, but you also want TS to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is an insider. That really doesn't make sense. He already pointed out to the issue of entrapment. The hoax forums are helpful in that issue BECAUSE WE FIGURED IT OUT, not because someone told us. If TS would prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is who he says he is, people WILL follow him blindly and won't investigate and think for themselves anymore. That would mean people (and new members) will only believe in the hoax because TS tells them there is one. That would qualify as a cover-up for entrapment. Why do you think TS is so careful with his wording? Why do you think he simply can't answer certain questions or confirm things? Think about that. He gave you enough to show you and make you use your common sense to decide for yourself if he is genuine or not. He is not going to give you more than that, simply because he can't.[/color]
Yes, you are right Souza. If he proved who he really was like you said people would have followed him blindly. But still he is not spoon feeding us. And also if he proved who he was, I do believe that more people would be here discussing about the hoax. BUT I don't think that the purpose is to take the attention of everyone to the hoax. If it were, everything would have been so much obvious.
I do not see any progress or conclusion at these threads. What happened to the leaf pattern issue that we discussed for pages? Why anyone is asking about this? I still stated my opinion about the trial and I'm not going to repeat myself but I do know that people will start to chase their own tails over and over and this will be named as a "progress". Yes, nobody forced us to read TS' posts and I do appreciate all the info he has given to us. But after some point, it started to look like a distraction tactic to me. And I see that many people who were not forced to read TS' posts started to feel the same like me. And afterall, I do not think that it hurts someone to be sure that TS has genuine information about the hoax. You can be calm and ok for another year or years with the hoax but personally my patience is almost over like most of the others. If Michael is not going to come back, I want to go back to my hoax free life. I'm tired, I'm frustrated, I'm disappointed. I've had migraine in the last 2 years and the headache is killing me. I do not need to count what the hoax has done to me psychologically I think. This lasted so so long and we're all so tired. Well at least most of us. I want it to end and I want to see Michael happy and healthy. And after 2 years I think we deserve an unfold on TS' mystery and his mysterious identity.
No progress? Are you kidding me? Do you think the leaf-pattern is that important, or do you think TS wanted us to dissect the picture to come to the conclusion that it was photoshopped? Yes we already discussed the photoshopped picture, but in this thread we actually PROVED it. That is the progress of thread number 1.
As for thread number 2, we all came to the conclusion that the FBI is involved, backed up again with at least 2 or 3 good arguments. Thread number 3 left us with 2 theories: Real corpse or no boby at all. Lots of pages and we couldn't come to a conclusion. If TS would want to give us all the facts on a silver plate, he would have written plain out how this was done, but see my comment above where I explain why he can't and won't. It was time for a new discussion and maybe this 4th thread might help us solve the third. The basis is already there, the arguments for both sides have been given so as soon as we come to a conclusion for this thread, we have our conclusion for the 3rd as well. It's pieces of a puzzle which will fall into place if you have other pieces in the right place.
No, I'm not kidding you Souza. If the leaf pattern was NOT that important why did we discuss it for 30 pages? We proved the picture was photoshopped, how? With the leaf pattern? We already KNEW the picture was photoshopped and I didn't see we proved it.
For thread 2 NOT all of us came to a conclusion that FBI is involved. Many believers do not agree with that. The FBI and the Sting Operation theories came from TS, people discussed about it, and finally TS wrote in this thread that a couple of FBI agents were involved. How do we know it is a fact? Just bacause TS writes it, makes it a fact? What did we find our own? Were we going to find out that the FBI was involved and this is a Sting Operation if TS never told it to us? No conclusion or progress came from us. TS has already given us what we needed to discuss and the result came from him again on a silver plate! We do NOT come to ANY conclusions Souza. Everybody state their opinions and most of the people stick with their opinions. This is NOT a conclusion or a progress. I do not see talking about bushes as a progress either. We are just chasing our own tails. If the purpose is to discuss about these issues, that's ok. But when it is named as a "progress" or a "conclusion" it pisses me off because there is nothing like that. We're just discussing these issues. I'm NOT saying to discuss these topics is a bad idea or I'm not asking why we're discussing these but they are not taking us to a conclusion UNLESS TS writes it like he did in this thread about the FBI agents were involved.
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PureLove, did I not ask to take this discussion elsewhere?
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PureLove, did I not ask to take this discussion elsewhere?
Whatever Souza. Everything is so obvious and there is no need to discuss about it. I gave my reply to you as you quoted my post. That's it.
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We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
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Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose.
So was TS unaware of the fact that the trial would be delayed, or did he actually tell you a day before the mainstream media did?[/color]
He didn't say: "as well as the new information that we will get during the trial" or "Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the trial"
Nice one! As always, TS chooses his words VERY carefully!
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PureLove,
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=16085&start=75#p328073
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only those two options :? can we really prove one or the other of those without considering that it could be real court? just sayin' michael-jackson/
by the way ford , it's been nice knowin' ya ;)
Sting court would be a real court, but if you mean a court to just try Murray for manslaughter, I can't seem to get my head to accept that. geek/
i guess what i worry about is that a hoax could be in real court also if it is not michael's hoax.i am full aware that i am alone on that thought but i can't ditch it. so there you have it . didn't say i think he is dead though , just to be sure i am understood. i do have a gut feeling that some authorities are at least awar of what is goin on and watching if not fully engaged in it. call me crazy i can't help it . mj_dance/
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I go with hoax court, when I take the personal vendetta into account. MJ was prosecuted by the Santa Barbara District Attorney, not the Los Angeles District Attorney. So in that case it would have made more sense for him to move back to Neverland and die in Santa Barbara, instead of Los Angeles.
I think this sting is focussing on more than one person/agency/doctor/entity, Sneddon being one of them and I also think the sting was going on before June 25. But I don't think the LA court is the focus and I also don't think this trial will ever take place. I do think that the court case has a purpose for the sting, but I am not sure yet how. Any hints TS?
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Remember this .............. elvis_/
lovemj4everandever wrote:
I have researched this extensively and would like to share this here because I don't even flinch regarding Conrad Murray being "charged", so perhaps this will put some other minds at ease regarding his "charge of involuntary manslaughter."
Definition of involuntary manslaughter according to CA penal code 192B
Involuntary manslaughter is divided into two categories and they are...
1. Constructive manslaughter
2. Criminally negligent manslaughter
Involuntary manslaughter is charged in ONE of the two categories/divisions listed above...NOT BOTH! The legal terminology used in charging for each of the divisions/categories above is as follows...
1. Constructive manslaughter: "In the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to felony."
2. Criminally negligent manslaughter: "In the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection."
(Special note...vehicular manslaughter is in a totally separate category).
Moving along...here is the entire "charge" against doc Murray as listed at the DA's website showing him charged BOTH ways in BOTH divisions. Interestingly enough, this is just about the only place the ENTIRE CHARGE can be found. Hundreds of internet articles only list the charge partially, showing him charged in ONE way in ONE division, making it appear legitimate because it can only be charged ONE way in ONE division, not BOTH ways in BOTH divisions.
This is the charge as listed at the DA's website...(I simply copied and pasted it here)
Dr. Conrad Robert Murray, 56 (dob 2-19-1953), was charged in case No. SA073164, filed at the Airport Branch of Los Angeles Superior Court. The count alleged that Murray “ did unlawfully, and without malice, kill Michael Joseph Jackson…in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; AND in the commission of a lawful act which might have produced death, in an unlawful manner, and without due caution and circumspection.”
This clearly shows that he is "charged" BOTH ways, in BOTH divisions. The divisions are separated by the semi-colon above and the word "AND" in bold print. Also, notice that the "or" in the legal definition of division 2 (criminally negligent manslaughter) has been changed to "and" in the charge listed at the DA's website.
Additionally, constructive manslaughter requires a witness to the crime. In this case, the crime would be administering the lethal dose of profofol. We've been told there were no witnesses. So thorough research of the penal code clearly shows that the charge listed at the DA's website is "bogus" and does not exist in reality. It is also interesting that the charge from the DA's website makes a point to say "Michael JOSEPH Jackson" and we know that is not Mike's legal name.
My thinking has been for a very long time, that somehow this is tied into a DEA prescription drug sting and there is a real Dr. Murray (not the guy we see who is a celebrity at TMZ and appears only in staged photo sessions by NPG) but a real Dr. Murray who is perhaps cooperating with or is in trouble with the DEA, combined with Michael's/The Jacksons cooperation for a prescription drug sting operation. It is also extremely interesting to note that on 02/08/10, the reading of the "charge" by the judge was waived by Murray and Chernoff and was not filmed, broadcast or released to the public in any way. There had to be a reason for this because the "reading of the charge" is more than customary. If you go back and look at the TMZ video of that day in court, you will clearly see that Murray and Chernoff waived the reading of the charge and the DA has never made a public statement on camera about the "charge" which is highly unusual when the most famous and beloved person in the world has been "murdered." The DA always makes a statement on camera in such cases. :mrgreen:
So, I have never lost a moment's sleep or an ounce of faith about the hoax due to the "charge" against doc Murray. I have no idea what the deal is with the DA. If Mike is aiding in a prescription drug sting operation or what...but the charge listed at the DA's website does not LEGALLY EXIST according to penal code 192b.
About June 14th, remember, this is just a preliminary hearing. At the preliminary hearing, the judge ALONE will decide whether or not there is enough evidence to support the criminal complaint to proceed with a trial. In my estimation, the case will eventually be dismissed due to lack of evidence (of course, because Mike is alive and well). Of course, June 14th may even be postponed but eventually there is going to be a preliminary hearing at which time the judge will decide whether to proceed with the case or dismiss it. :mrgreen:
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ADDENDUM: And for those who love to "really dig and investigate" here is the link to the DA's website. Notice how on ALL other press releases, the headline title says "man charged with stabbing" "man charged with robbery" "man charged with murder", etc. But on 02/08/10, the headline simply says "Jackson Physician Charged" - it doesn't say with what in the headline title. Then, for a thorough comparison, click on ALL the other links there where someone is charged with "murder or involuntary manslaughter" and read the press release. You will see a significant difference in the way those presses are worded. They ALL simply say charged with "involuntary manslaughter or charged with murder." They do not go into detail with the legal terminology as described above in doc Murray's case. In my estimation, this is just Michael's way again of leading us to the truth. He made sure they listed the "entire charge" with it's complete "legal terminology" so that we could investigate, research, and find the "truth." It can't be charged BOTH ways/BOTH divisions, it is either/or. We would have never known this if the "legal terminology and entire charge were not listed." In other words, if it just said charged with "involuntary manslaugher" as ALL other press releases do, we would not have been able to research. He always leads us to the "truth" amidst the "lie." Another example, we know he is not 5'9" and 136 pounds. He always gives us something to beLIEve in. I'm a 100000000000% beLIEver. I'm unshakable! :mrgreen:
http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/default.htm (http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/default.htm)
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I first wondered if the FBI was involved when I saw Marlon with the FBI cap on in the car with Randy a couple of days after 6-25-09 (and he had on hat in the Jackson Family Dynasty show). Many thought that MJ was in back seat. Did the Brothers just come from picking MJ up? Someone posted that MJ was at the house for two days until his brothers picked him up (he was hiding they thought). I wonder now if they were picking him up from Beverly Hills Hotel. But if they were, where were his bodyguards? I suppose he didn't need them if he was hiding in "plain sight."
Matter-of-fact, the brothers wore some of the same pieces of clothing on the JFD show that we'd seen them wear before the show aired. So, I've always thought that the JFD show is a part of the hoax, because in 2008, they did the Jacksons Are Coming Doc. It all ties in, so we need to keep connecting the dots.
May haps, that's something we can do like a puzzle. Connect the dots, and if they don't fit, then we must acquit. The first dot would be may haps the "Michael Jackson has died" hoax from December 2008? The next dot would be seeing MJ unmask his children, then him and the children with Kenny at Culver City studios?
I always thought that when we see the children arrive sleeping in the car to the FUNERAL (???), that they were returning from somewhere else. Where in the world had those children been to where they'd take a nap (it was dark when they arrived) before arriving from wherever to wherever? That doesn't make any sense. You mean to tell me that they needed to nap upon leaving the Encino home to the long drive to Forest Lawn? Green Screened from the Green Man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA)
It could have been a sting operation in the beginning, but because I think Murray's character represents MJ, it could just be based on something that had happened months or years before (sting operation), but because it was a part of MJ's real life, he decided to add it to his film. So that could mean that he is telling a story. Papa Joe mentioning doubles to me signalled that he could have been referring to an aspect of MJ's life.
So in essence, is MJ doing a documentary film based on parts of his life? Like an expose perhaps, or a sort of Bio based around his previous trial (and can't forget the 1st fraud of accusations)?
"I'm all over the place boy. You can't STOP me." mj_bad/ This to me means that MJ has all kinds of protection.
"They're coming to take me away - ha-ha." I'll admit, I get dizzy sometimes, but I keep hanging on in here. beerchug
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I go with hoax court, when I take the personal vendetta into account. MJ was prosecuted by the Santa Barbara District Attorney, not the Los Angeles District Attorney. So in that case it would have made more sense for him to move back to Neverland and die in Santa Barbara, instead of Los Angeles.
I think this sting is focussing on more than one person/agency/doctor/entity, Sneddon being one of them and I also think the sting was going on before June 25. But I don't think the LA court is the focus and I also don't think this trial will ever take place. I do think that the court case has a purpose for the sting, but I am not sure yet how. Any hints TS?
I had wondered about LA court vs Santa Barbara court. It makes sense that if the focus was a personal vendetta, it would have to be Santa Barbara. Perhaps they worked closely enough with the LA court, that this where the main corruption took place. Was there more than just Santa Barbara police involved on the raid at Neverland? I will look around.....outta time for now. Thanks for bringing this point up.....back later!
Blessings
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Oh and notice that the video of the brothers in car with Randy was shot by Hollywood TV again.
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I want everyone ranting at TS for not knowing the trial would be delayed, to reread his post. I will quote some of it:
We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
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Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose.
So was TS unaware of the fact that the trial would be delayed, or did he actually tell you a day before the mainstream media did? Here is the definition of a hearing:
In law, a hearing is a proceeding before a court or other decision-making body or officer, such as a government agency.
A hearing is generally distinguished from a trial in that it is usually shorter and often less formal. In the course of litigation, hearings are conducted as oral arguments in support of motions, whether to resolve the case without further trial on a motion to dismiss or for summary judgment, or to decide discrete issues of law, such as the admissibility of evidence, that will determine how the trial proceeds. Limited evidence and testimony may also be presented in hearings to supplement the legal arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_(law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_(law))
He didn't say: "as well as the new information that we will get during the trial" or "Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the trial"
Is TS unaware of the definition of "hearing"? I don't think so. I think people jumped to conclusions too fast...again.
And why would a trial delay surprise anyone? Everything has been delayed a gazillion times, this shouldn't be a shocker. Why have a trial with 12 jury members, having to leave their jobs for weeks for a bogus trial? People and press attending the hearings do so voluntarily, jury members would not. That is why it has been delayed again and in my opinion probably will never start.
That said, I can finally comment on the actual topic in my next post.
Ok, Souza. I did confusion over the term hearing and trial. You told me this today in the chat, but I had already placed my last post here.
My mind is spinning with this court's history. Yesterday I posted this as a question:
by AnaMarcia "Mon May 02, 2011 8:02 pm
"This discussion Proposed by TS May Have something to the delay with this?Just think the coincidence one day before the announcement of the postponement of the trial".
But nobody answered me.
Rereading the posts of TS, I figured the discussion on this level could be a sign on the news of the postponement. Now I know that he told hearings, so it became clearer to me.
Maybe he was warning us that there would be only hearings and not the trial itself, which would begin in a few days.
Perhaps I was hasty. I do not like to condemn anyone, but this story is sometimes very difficult. The Intelligence of Michael is unbeatable. Do not think me stupid, but do not compare myself to the genius and to experience from him.
I Hope that, like TS said, things begin to come together. We have a hearing in the next four weeks, is not it? Wait and see what happens! :P
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Questions going through my head now:
Could everything that's intended to be accomplished be accomplished in 'hearings' rather than a 'trial'? Is there actually any need for a trial, if this is about corruption in the legal system and not about Murray at all?
Hmm, I've been thinking the trial was an essential part of the hoax, but now I'm not so sure.
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For those who doubt and are giving up, please remember that it takes four years for Michael to release an album. Each solo album of his is four years apart. Two years and people are giving up? Did you ever believe completely to begin with?? I have had the sickening thought that MJ was murdered for a full year until I began to wonder if he were in fact still alive. It took me another year to actually join a group of people that felt as I do. BeLIEve it or not, joining this forum was a very difficult decision for me. I didn't want to be sidetracked from a possible murder case if my gut feeling was wrong. I have no idea who this TS character is, and I often find myself even more confused after I read his threads. But that doesn't discourage me because I know the truth HAS to come out eventually, no matter how right or wrong something feels or looks to us. I meditate a lot just to feel balance and harmony in my life.
As for this being a sting operation, this is the good ol' USA and these types of cases are very common and I would be very happy to know MJ is involved in bringing down the core of all that is corrupt with our judical system here in the states. This is by far the most interesting thread TS has started, in my opinion. Some of you are a bit skeptical about, well, everything it seems. And I like that, its Yin to my Yan because I'm a bit naive sometimes. I trust that most people on here have good intentions when presenting 'evidence'. I do wish that TS were more present, but maybe thats not his/her role to be buddies with us. And maybe its not his/her role to hold our hands through eveything. I'm just happy that there is new info everyday, instead of every blue moon. As for the trial being pushed to September: pale/ I'll be patient for you, MJ.
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Just thinking...is the federal courthouse in LA??
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And if this trial is hoaxed why was it started in the first place?
EXACTLY!
For a FBI sting operation you might answer. But how do you know that for sure? All our assumptions are bound with other assumptions to fix in the right place.
Sting operation does not go along with hoax.
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Just thinking...is the federal courthouse in LA??
yes
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And if this trial is hoaxed why was it started in the first place?
EXACTLY!
For a FBI sting operation you might answer. But how do you know that for sure? All our assumptions are bound with other assumptions to fix in the right place.
Sting operation does not go along with hoax.
Why not :))
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Questions going through my head now:
Could everything that's intended to be accomplished be accomplished in 'hearings' rather than a 'trial'? Is there actually any need for a trial, if this is about corruption in the legal system and not about Murray at all?
Hmm, I've been thinking the trial was an essential part of the hoax, but now I'm not so sure.
Exactly Curls. I always thought that there was going to be a trial because I believe that Murray represents Michael in this case. Michael was innocent but blamed with pedophilia, he was judged by the media and the society first and found not guilty by the jury. The same is going on with Murray. He didn't kill anyone but he is judged by the media and the society. He should go to the trial to be acquitted like Michael IF he is representing Michael in this case which is NOT necessary. But when I think about the articles that came up about Murray where he stated how much he loves Katherine and the kids, those make me believe more that he is representing Michael and there will be a trial and he will be acquitted like Michael did. But I'm not so sure of course.
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And if this trial is hoaxed why was it started in the first place?
EXACTLY!
For a FBI sting operation you might answer. But how do you know that for sure? All our assumptions are bound with other assumptions to fix in the right place.
Sting operation does not go along with hoax.[/quote
Why not :))
because death hoax with authority's help, it is not what a sting operation per se. Sting operation is when, for example, undercover pretends he is a criminal to gain their trust and entrap a crime and its organizers. Death hoax operation used to keep victim or witness safe temporarily, until criminals get caught. In this case, operation does not need to be sting, it is realized open. And especially does not have to be accompanied by the "hoax court" since it costs government wasted money that they definitely would not like.
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The way it's been presented will all the delays, the trial might not take place anytime soon. Probably never. But thinking about how Dr. Murray will receive "justice" since he plead "not guilty" and said from the beginning he was innocent and that the truth will prevail, the trial should take place in total completeness. But, if MJ returns this summer (See you in July) the trial it's meaningless. So I say it's a Hoax Court.
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Wow :idea:
Maybe Murray is the FBI agent. Man of a thousand faces, no clear history, no clear records, never seen unless he wants to be...
Murry working undercover as MJs doctor to expose... what or who? No idea but it would answer a lot of questions about Murray's background or lack thereof.
There's been a lot of stories about Murray with women, usually much younger, and who seem to be aspiring dancers, actresses, etc. What would he possibly be working on in conjunction with these young women to expose/catch/convict?
Just kicking it out there.
Ps. thanks Paula for reminding us about the charge of manslaughter itself, I had forgotten this. For those who only skimmed or even skipped her article that she posted, the short version is: the actual charge that Murray is in the system as being on trial for, as it is written and recorded in those official records heartphantom posted earlier, do not exist in the California Penal Code. It's not a real, legitimate charge at all. Good reminder, I knew there were more reasons why I know court is a hoax court, it's just been so long I forgot some of them. This is a great thread because it will compile this information in one place. Court is not as real as it appears!
Pps. But what is real? We were kicking this around earlier too. What exactly constitutes real? If court is a physical event taking place does that by itself make it real? Or is reality defined by real defense of a real accused by a real complaint filed by the real DA with real prosecutors assigned to the case with the express purpose of proving the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a real judge? Because when I say hoax court I do define it as the former but not as the later.
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No circus, no show, no entertainment, not fake trial and judges, no fake legal papers to me.
Arguments:
1. Judge exists
Hon. Michael E. Pastor - at Superior Court of California, County of Los Angeles
Source: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/trial/judges.htm
2. Trial exists:
Case Number: SA073164
Case Title: Peo v Conrad Murray
Filing Date: 2010-05-04 10:54:51
Courthouse: Stanley Mosk Courthouse
Source: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51
3. Further documents filed in this trial exist:
Few examples:
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448818508.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448818504.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448500652.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448394711.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1448040225.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447286684.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447044262.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447044019.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447044013.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447043951.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1447043944.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1444456277.pdf
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/y2qmlk45wu5oub45romeqk45/1444456284.pdf
Hey there......
in looking over these court docs.....why is it the defendant is either Conrad Robert Murray or Conrad R. Murray...the title of doctor is never used. Does this nullify these documents....sort of like the autopsy report? On the first one, also the date was changed, but not initialed or stamped. For some reason these court docs just don't prove anything to me. One more funny...the trial number: SA073164 (7+3+1+6+4=21....777,again)
Anyways......these are indeed interesting! Thank you for posting!
Blessings!
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Because no one is above law.
In front of lady justice we are all the same: you are no doctor, no singer, no president. Just a name.
In my country nothing more is used than the name.
wishingstar , i just gave examples and didn't have much time when posting. A member said the trial might be an illusion and i wanted to show facts proving that this is the reality. Controlled or not, the trial is real. This is what i wanted to show with that docs and sources (for those who may have not seen them). We can't dismiss ALL facts or underestimate their value just because our belief was built on fake facts and papers (autposy , death certif etc). Not every theory is correct and not every fact is fake.
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Because no one is above law.
In front of lady justice we are all the same: you are no doctor, no singer, no president. Just a name.
In my country nothing more is used than the name.
wishingstar , i just gave examples and didn't have much time when posting. A member said the trial might be an illusion and i wanted to show facts proving that this is the reality. Controlled or not, the trial is real. This is what i wanted to show with that docs and sources (for those who may have not seen them). We can't dismiss ALL facts or underestimate their value just because our belief was built on fake facts and papers (autposy , death certif etc). Not every theory is correct and not every fact is fake.
In sting operations court documents can be faked, the complete court case can be faked and up until now, we don't have a real trial, because there hasn't been a trial at all yet. Filed court documents or real judges do not mean it is a real case.
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Yes, but the sting operation is a theory not a certainty. So i can't judge things from this strict point, not yet.
No official trial yet, but not having a juridical language doesn't tag my evidence as wrong.
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Yes, but a sting operation is a possibility not a certainty.
Yeah, and the charge against Murray, court documents, AR and DC are all fake. You think government officials would just do that for Michael Jackson just because he wants to hoax his death for a movie project? Sure...
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the charge against Murray, court documents, AR and DC are all fake. IN A REAL OR A MOVIE SET TRIAL?
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Also, if not a sting, and just a hoax...WHO IS PAYING FOR IT? Who paid for the HUGE memorial..and funeral...you name it? That all would really eat up the earnings Michael has gained these 2 years. There were people working at all these events...but, if it's the FBI...well, you get it?
We know Michael has money, but to pay for this for almost 2 years?? Plus the money going out to Katherine..attorneys...I don't think so.
I think what Souza is saying is correct. If not, we have a very sad outcome..
And..again...if it's JUST a movie...WHO IS PAYING THE WORKERS, THE STATE...everything I just wrote? I'm not saying it won't become a movie...documentation of what's happened...BUT, just for a movie? Maybe if it was just for a month long hoax without the elaborate memorial and funeral and attorneys all this time and Katherine's money every month. But, for 2 years worth of expenses, to be a movie. Not.
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the charge against Murray, court documents, AR and DC are all fake. IN A REAL OR A MOVIE SET TRIAL?
There is no trial. There are hearings. Do you simply just not get the point or are you just pretending? As I said, court documents can be faked and filed, ALL OF THEM, which would make this a fake court proceeding, part of a sting operation because MJ could not get the court in for just a movie. Did I say anywhere above that it was a movie set? No. Here is an example of a sting where the court and the judge were part of the sting operation: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/11/nyreg ... tml?src=pm (http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/11/nyregion/perjury-case-raises-legal-eyebrows.html?src=pm)
@TS I think the hoax court case could have been set up as a sting focussed on some people who are on the witness list.
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the charge against Murray, court documents, AR and DC are all fake. IN A REAL OR A MOVIE SET TRIAL?
There is no trial. There are hearings. Do you simply just not get the point or are you just pretending? As I said, court documents can be faked and filed, ALL OF THEM, which would make this a fake court proceeding, part of a sting operation because MJ could not get the court in for just a movie. Did I say anywhere above that it was a movie set? No. Here is an example of a sting where the court and the judge were part of the sting operation: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/11/nyreg ... tml?src=pm (http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/11/nyregion/perjury-case-raises-legal-eyebrows.html?src=pm)
@TS I think the hoax court case could have been set up as a sting focussed on some people who are on the witness list.
Maybe some BIG boys that aren't in the country...had to hold things up to get them...
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"@TS I think the hoax court case could have been set up as a sting focussed on some people who are on the witness list."
Maybe Arnold Klein is one of them? Perhaps the biggest!
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"@TS I think the hoax court case could have been set up as a sting focussed on some people who are on the witness list."
Maybe Arnold Klein is one of them? Perhaps the biggest!
AH nah...they'll come a LOT bigger :)
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Wednesday, February 23, 2011
JUDGE MICHAEL PASTOR AND THE MEDICAL BOARD OF CALIFORNIA : THE FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST THEM
LAURACK D. BRAY, ESQ., M.S., M.P.A., J.D.
FEDERAL ATTORNEY
P.O. Box 611432
Los Angeles, California 90061
(805) 901-2693
April 26, 2011
(Current and renewed date)
February 28, 2011
(Original date)
The following is the federal criminal-civil rights Complaint that was filed in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles, CA against Superior Court judge Michael Pastor and the Medical Board of California (MBC) on January 24, 2011. The Complaint speaks for itself, but I believe it demonstrates why judge Pastor cannot preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial without violating Murray's constitutional due process and other rights. If the U.S. Constitution has any meaning at all, and if judge Pastor and the Superior Court of California has any respect at all for the Constitution, there must be a new judge assigned to preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial in March, in order to protect, inter alia, Murray's right to a fair trial.
You can view the complaint report here...it is too long to post.
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... board.html (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/02/judge-michael-pastor-and-medical-board.html)
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I have an opinion about all this (which will probably go unoticed anyhow) but I say "Real Court" real people..
Michaels secret agenda to expose all the corruption within the court system, because there is no way....these people will go along with it..especially because they are real judges..
They accept "bribes" and the accused don't stand a chance, especially if they are black.
MJ chose to die in such as way as to involve the court system........otherwise, he could of just "died" of a heart attack at home, alone...without involving a doctor, and wierd circumstances.
Think about it. Why would he choose to involve the corrupt law system in LA ?? This is not a game to him. This is serious enough to put people through all of this for what ??? A movie ?? No way.
It happened to him, and now he will expose them all...he doesn't need to "hire a courtroom", as this whole circus of a trial, is why he involved Murray...(who is finacially compensated of course) The bombshell will hit when Mj exposes he is alive.. The FBI are working with MJ because of this corruption...Did you know that the attorney for Lindsay Lohan is the wife of one of Michaels background singers.???
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I go with hoax court, when I take the personal vendetta into account. MJ was prosecuted by the Santa Barbara District Attorney, not the Los Angeles District Attorney. So in that case it would have made more sense for him to move back to Neverland and die in Santa Barbara, instead of Los Angeles.
I think this sting is focussing on more than one person/agency/doctor/entity, Sneddon being one of them and I also think the sting was going on before June 25. But I don't think the LA court is the focus and I also don't think this trial will ever take place. I do think that the court case has a purpose for the sting, but I am not sure yet how. Any hints TS?
I believe it is a hoax court too but don't think it will take place either...but I still don't know how, if this is a sting trial, how the FBI will catch whoever they are after...if the case does begin, it's going to be about Murray and MJ, I don't think it will help the FBI with their case, I think that's what the hearings and proceedings before the court case has done.
So if the FBI needed to set up a sting how would the ACTUAL COURT CASE help, maybe the FBI was only focused on the proceedings...in MJ's case in 2005 the problem was with Sneddon not the outcome because of course the jury found him not guilty...so it probably is to do with procedure before the case not when the trial actual takes place.
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I have an opinion about all this (which will probably go unoticed anyhow) but I say "Real Court" real people..
Michaels secret agenda to expose all the corruption within the court system, because there is no way....these people will go along with it..especiall because they are real judges..
They accept "bribes" and the accused don't stand a chance, especially if they are black.
MJ chose to die in such as way as to involve the court system........otherwise, he could of just "died" of a heart attack at home, alone...without involving a doctor, and wierd circumstances.
Think about it. Why would he choose to involve the corrupt law system in LA ?? This is not a game to him. This is serious enough to put people through all of this for what ??? A movie ?? No way.
It happened to him, and now he will expose them all...he doesn't need to "hire courtroom", as this whole circus of a trial, is whey he involved Murray...(who is finacially compensated of course) The bombshell will hit when Mj exposes he is alive.. The FBI are working with MJ because of this corruption...Did you know that the attorney for Lindsay Lohan is the wife of one of Michaels background singers.???
But couldn't the court case still be fake and if it is about judges then only the judges and a few others don't need to be apart of it.
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The trial is delayed(again) to correspond with June 25th. Duh.
No need in worrying if it is or isn't a "real" trial, cuz it won't happen.
If there is a trial MJ is 6 feet under and everyone here got punk'd.
TS has shown us some great things/details we missed. Of the 7 BILLION people on the planet Earth, those of us here(20K) that BeLIEve are really the only ones who give a damm anymore. So stop bitching, groaning and feeling entitled. This site is here to COLLABRATE everyone's OPINIONS and to discuss the MANY possibilities pertaining to this "hoax". Getting your "panties in a wad" over TS, or someone's OPINION serves no purpose. If you don't like it then leave. Noone forces you to come here. Noone tells you that you must post. Noone tells you to read these threads. Souza created/maintained this site so that we could come together, express ourselves and at the same time bond with (the very few) people who beLIEve what we do. Souza has worked hard to maintain this site for us. Where would you be without it? ALONE! Castoff! CRAZY!!
Like it or not this website bonds us together. In some aspects has created a family. This family has gone through many struggles, ups and downs and growth within. So unlike real life, if you don't like your family then LEAVE.
Put aside your percieved differences and focus your abilities on providing each other compassion, understanding and a "shoulder".
TS is whoever. He may be full of $hit. Or not. But in our 3 "projects" has pointed out things each of us apparently missed the first time around. And since, we are all "experts", the possibilty exists that you DON'T know everything. This group here is small and has gone through many of the same issues. And TS is doing you a favor and giving you hope by even being here and providing us with new information. Because folks, everyone of us here is crazy in beLIEving what we do. And for 2 years we have weathered the storm. But the storm will soon end. And your faith will rewarded.
Michael was/is a man who loved the world. Saw things most of us can't imagine. Blessed with his gifts and a heart of gold, he tried to "make a change" in everything he did. Michael gave of himself with nothing in return expected. He loved everyone regardless of race, color, or beliefs. So as be we sit a "bicker" at each other,(moreso lately) each of you must ask yourself this question. Is that what Michael would do?
NO. Be strong. Be Kind. Give what you can to those around you. L.O.V.E has a meaning. If you do beLIEve then L.O.V.E. Start with the "Man in the Mirror". Make that change.
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"@TS I think the hoax court case could have been set up as a sting focussed on some people who are on the witness list."
Maybe Arnold Klein is one of them? Perhaps the biggest!
AH nah...they'll come a LOT bigger :)
If there was a mob against Michael, Arnold Klein could have been chosen to give medicine to him and make him so addicted to the point of being unable to take care of your own life until leave for the fatal blow!
But Michael is not stupid. He have seen it all before.
Murray may have been hired just to catch the real criminals.
See how many times Murray has accused Klein!
In this case, Murray would not be the defendant, but an agent that makes things appear dirty? If so, it is clear that the court never reveal what is happening behind the cortina. What goes in the TMZ, it may be only minimal pieces of truth, but the process itself is much more complex and secretive.
Who gives the information to TMZ? How do we know that is the only truth?
So it would be: the royal court, the real process, but for different reasons and with other defendants. Court sting? confused/
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Is there is no trial, why are hearings taking place? To go with the flow? :roll:
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I don't think mob at all...never occurred to me. I think at some level TMZ has to be in the know. Harvey says toooo much. He's always saying "I know more, but I can't say right now". Annndd otherwise, how'd they know before it was announced that he was dead? How do they always be the only ones to get pics of Murray? How come the articles of Michael from the beginning of the hoax have disappeared from them? (but others are around of other people). How come we can post things on here then they post articles about those things on there?
They are a pawn.
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The trial is delayed(again) to correspond with June 25th. Duh.
No need in worrying if it is or isn't a "real" trial, cuz it won't happen.
If there is a trial MJ is 6 feet under and everyone here got punk'd.
TS has shown us some great things/details we missed. Of the 7 BILLION people on the planet Earth, those of us here(20K) that BeLIEve are really the only ones who give a damm anymore. So stop bitching, groaning and feeling entitled. This site is here to COLLABRATE everyone's OPINIONS and to discuss the MANY possibilities pertaining to this "hoax". Getting your "panties in a wad" over TS, or someone's OPINION serves no purpose. If you don't like it then leave. Noone forces you to come here. Noone tells you that you must post. Noone tells you to read these threads. Souza created/maintained this site so that we could come together, express ourselves and at the same time bond with (the very few) people who beLIEve what we do. Souza has worked hard to maintain this site for us. Where would you be without it? ALONE! Castoff! CRAZY!!
Like it or not this website bonds us together. In some aspects has created a family. This family has gone through many struggles, ups and downs and growth within. So unlike real life, if you don't like your family then LEAVE.
Put aside your percieved differences and focus your abilities on providing each other compassion, understanding and a "shoulder".
TS is whoever. He may be full of $hit. Or not. But in our 3 "projects" has pointed out things each of us apparently missed the first time around. And since, we are all "experts", the possibilty exists that you DON'T know everything. This group here is small and has gone through many of the same issues. And TS is doing you a favor and giving you hope by even being here and providing us with new information. Because folks, everyone of us here is crazy in beLIEving what we do. And for 2 years we have weathered the storm. But the storm will soon end. And your faith will rewarded.
Michael was/is a man who loved the world. Saw things most of us can't imagine. Blessed with his gifts and a heart of gold, he tried to "make a change" in everything he did. Michael gave of himself with nothing in return expected. He loved everyone regardless of race, color, or beliefs. So as be we sit a "bicker" at each other,(moreso lately) each of you must ask yourself this question. Is that what Michael would do?
NO. Be strong. Be Kind. Give what you can to those around you. L.O.V.E has a meaning. If you do beLIEve then L.O.V.E. Start with the "Man in the Mirror". Make that change.
Thanks for your post and welcome...way to kick off your first post :lol:
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The trial is delayed(again) to correspond with June 25th. Duh.
No need in worrying if it is or isn't a "real" trial, cuz it won't happen.
If there is a trial MJ is 6 feet under and everyone here got punk'd.
TS has shown us some great things/details we missed. Of the 7 BILLION people on the planet Earth, those of us here(20K) that BeLIEve are really the only ones who give a damm anymore. So stop bitching, groaning and feeling entitled. This site is here to COLLABRATE everyone's OPINIONS and to discuss the MANY possibilities pertaining to this "hoax". Getting your "panties in a wad" over TS, or someone's OPINION serves no purpose. If you don't like it then leave. Noone forces you to come here. Noone tells you that you must post. Noone tells you to read these threads. Souza created/maintained this site so that we could come together, express ourselves and at the same time bond with (the very few) people who beLIEve what we do. Souza has worked hard to maintain this site for us. Where would you be without it? ALONE! Castoff! CRAZY!!
Like it or not this website bonds us together. In some aspects has created a family. This family has gone through many struggles, ups and downs and growth within. So unlike real life, if you don't like your family then LEAVE.
Put aside your percieved differences and focus your abilities on providing each other compassion, understanding and a "shoulder".
TS is whoever. He may be full of $hit. Or not. But in our 3 "projects" has pointed out things each of us apparently missed the first time around. And since, we are all "experts", the possibilty exists that you DON'T know everything. This group here is small and has gone through many of the same issues. And TS is doing you a favor and giving you hope by even being here and providing us with new information. Because folks, everyone of us here is crazy in beLIEving what we do. And for 2 years we have weathered the storm. But the storm will soon end. And your faith will rewarded.
Michael was/is a man who loved the world. Saw things most of us can't imagine. Blessed with his gifts and a heart of gold, he tried to "make a change" in everything he did. Michael gave of himself with nothing in return expected. He loved everyone regardless of race, color, or beliefs. So as be we sit a "bicker" at each other,(moreso lately) each of you must ask yourself this question. Is that what Michael would do?
NO. Be strong. Be Kind. Give what you can to those around you. L.O.V.E has a meaning. If you do beLIEve then L.O.V.E. Start with the "Man in the Mirror". Make that change.
Sorry, but you are a friend of TS? :lol:
I agree that sometimes we are impatient and leave Michael and TS disappointed and upset. But as you said, we are family and in family can occur in any small friction, especially if it is a worldwide family that we know only through postings on a forum.
You're new here, huh? Welcome to the rollercoaster. Let's see if you can keep always so serene here.
Wow ... I have to admit to a newbie, you are well saucy!
Anyway, you're welcome! bearhug
And not to get too off topic, what is your theory for everything that TS propose?
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Is there is no trial, why are hearings taking place? To go with the flow? :roll:
Because this is a show.
If you BeLIEve MJ is alive, then you know he obviously needed assistance.
Knowing whom that assistance would come from, anything is possible.
If anyone here was charged with murder, do you REALLY think it would take 2 YEARS for it to go to trial?
NO.
Prime example.....
June 12, 1994 Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman are stabbed to death. Their bodies found in the front courtyard of the Nicole's condominium in Brentwood.
June 13, 1994 O.J. Simpson is notified of the murders while on a business trip in Chicago. He returns to Los Angeles, is temporarily handcuffed, and taken in for questioning. Robert Shapiro is contacted on Simpson's behalf and asked to become defense counsel.
June 16, 1994 The funerals of the victims are held.
June 17, 1994 About to be arrested for murder, Simpson slips out of Robert Kardashian's home. He is chased by police while riding in his white Ford Bronco, driven by friend A.C. Cowlings. When he returns to his home on Rockingham, Simpson is taken into custody.
June 24, 1994 Grand jury recused.
July 8, 1994 Six-day preliminary hearing ends with Judge Kathleen Kennedy-Powell ruling there is sufficient evidence for O.J. Simpson to stand trial on two counts of first-degree murder.
July 22, 1994 O.J. pleads "absolutely 100 percent not guilty" to the charges. Judge Lance A. Ito assigned to hear case.
August 18, 1994 Defense counsel files motion to obtain personnel records of Detective Mark Fuhrman.
September 2, 1994 District attorney files motion to sequester jury.
September 9, 1994 District attorney announces that the death penalty will not be sought.
September 19, 1994 Judge Ito upholds the legality of the search of Simpson's home.
November 3, 1994 Jury panel selected: eight black, one white, one hispanic, two mixed race; eight women, four men.
December 8, 1994 Alternate jury selected.
January 4, 1995 Defense waives hearing for challenge of prosecution's DNA evidence.
January 11, 1995 The jury is sequestered. Hearing held on admissibility of domestic-abuse evidence.
January 13, 1995 Prosecutor Christopher Darden and defense attorney Johnnie Cochran argue over racist language regarding the upcoming testimony of Mark Fuhrman.
January 24, 1995 Trial opens. Prosecutors Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden deliver opening statements.
January 25, 1995 Johnnie Cochran makes opening statement for the defense.
Less than 6 months. Do the math.
It's a part of the show. The assiting parties easily could have "killed" Michael in a way which did not have the complications that the current hoax does. Most likely even providing a video of MJ "being shot down" or whatever. End of story.
Show. The final curatin call nears.
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I don't think mob at all...never occurred to me. I think at some level TMZ has to be in the know. Harvey says toooo much. He's always saying "I know more, but I can't say right now". Annndd otherwise, how'd they know before it was announced that he was dead? How do they always be the only ones to get pics of Murray? How come the articles of Michael from the beginning of the hoax have disappeared from them? (but others are around of other people). How come we can post things on here then they post articles about those things on there?
They are a pawn.
They just post the information that are passed to them. That does not mean they do not know, but can not reveal anything more!
Maybe for some reason they were chosen for to give news to the world. Someone would have to get this paper. Just do not understand why it has to be TMZ.
I hear they have some relationship with Michael. One of the nephews are members, it's right?
I guess I'm tired. I'll to sleep. Thursday is my day off and try to post something more meaningful! Until then, who knows TS does some other posting! ;)
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I don't think mob at all...never occurred to me. I think at some level TMZ has to be in the know. Harvey says toooo much. He's always saying "I know more, but I can't say right now". Annndd otherwise, how'd they know before it was announced that he was dead? How do they always be the only ones to get pics of Murray? How come the articles of Michael from the beginning of the hoax have disappeared from them? (but others are around of other people). How come we can post things on here then they post articles about those things on there?
They are a pawn.
I also don't think they'll be a trial (today anyhow :)) Because, how will they "catch" the people the sting is for if it's out in a trial?
Say we're in the trial...do they suddenly say, "oh, you so-and-so are under arrest"!!? Do they bring it out in the wrongness and then STOP the trial and arrest? Believe me, if they did/could the second person would be gone after that and no one else would show up!!
If it was after the trial...again...people would disappear and leave the country. So...to me...it has to come before and therefore, out the door goes the trial. They have to prove what they have on them..now...gathering..then catch them off guard--at the same time, otherwise..goodbye. That's a sting.
TO me geek/
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The trial is delayed(again) to correspond with June 25th. Duh.
No need in worrying if it is or isn't a "real" trial, cuz it won't happen.
If there is a trial MJ is 6 feet under and everyone here got punk'd.
TS has shown us some great things/details we missed. Of the 7 BILLION people on the planet Earth, those of us here(20K) that BeLIEve are really the only ones who give a damm anymore. So stop bitching, groaning and feeling entitled. This site is here to COLLABRATE everyone's OPINIONS and to discuss the MANY possibilities pertaining to this "hoax". Getting your "panties in a wad" over TS, or someone's OPINION serves no purpose. If you don't like it then leave. Noone forces you to come here. Noone tells you that you must post. Noone tells you to read these threads. Souza created/maintained this site so that we could come together, express ourselves and at the same time bond with (the very few) people who beLIEve what we do. Souza has worked hard to maintain this site for us. Where would you be without it? ALONE! Castoff! CRAZY!!
Like it or not this website bonds us together. In some aspects has created a family. This family has gone through many struggles, ups and downs and growth within. So unlike real life, if you don't like your family then LEAVE.
Put aside your percieved differences and focus your abilities on providing each other compassion, understanding and a "shoulder".
TS is whoever. He may be full of $hit. Or not. But in our 3 "projects" has pointed out things each of us apparently missed the first time around. And since, we are all "experts", the possibilty exists that you DON'T know everything. This group here is small and has gone through many of the same issues. And TS is doing you a favor and giving you hope by even being here and providing us with new information. Because folks, everyone of us here is crazy in beLIEving what we do. And for 2 years we have weathered the storm. But the storm will soon end. And your faith will rewarded.
Michael was/is a man who loved the world. Saw things most of us can't imagine. Blessed with his gifts and a heart of gold, he tried to "make a change" in everything he did. Michael gave of himself with nothing in return expected. He loved everyone regardless of race, color, or beliefs. So as be we sit a "bicker" at each other,(moreso lately) each of you must ask yourself this question. Is that what Michael would do?
NO. Be strong. Be Kind. Give what you can to those around you. L.O.V.E has a meaning. If you do beLIEve then L.O.V.E. Start with the "Man in the Mirror". Make that change.
Sorry, but you are a friend of TS? :lol:
I agree that sometimes we are impatient and leave Michael and TS disappointed and upset. But as you said, we are family and in family can occur in any small friction, especially if it is a worldwide family that we know only through postings on a forum.
You're new here, huh? Welcome to the rollercoaster. Let's see if you can keep always so serene here.
Wow ... I have to admit to a newbie, you are well saucy!
Anyway, you're welcome! bearhug
And not to get too off topic, what is your theory for everything that TS propose?
New is a relative term. You still consider your car "new" after 6 months. But is it?
And you bring my next point up most timely. TS my friend? I may be TS. I may be MJ. I may be.........
The legitamacy of TS remains unknown. However, seemingly it appears there is authenticity to his claims.
But does anyone really know? So take it with a grain of salt.
Whatever purpose TS has, I beLIEve he is only trying to enlighten those who have "stayed the course" and provide us with a reward for our faith. As when the final curtain is called, we will smile and celebrate that which we already knew.
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Is there is no trial, why are hearings taking place? To go with the flow? :roll:
Because this is a show.
If you BeLIEve MJ is alive, then you know he obviously needed assistance.
Knowing whom that assistance would come from, anything is possible.
If anyone here was charged with murder, do you REALLY think it would take 2 YEARS for it to go to trial?
NO.
Prime example.....
June 12, 1994 Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman are stabbed to death. Their bodies found in the front courtyard of the Nicole's condominium in Brentwood.
June 13, 1994 O.J. Simpson is notified of the murders while on a business trip in Chicago. He returns to Los Angeles, is temporarily handcuffed, and taken in for questioning. Robert Shapiro is contacted on Simpson's behalf and asked to become defense counsel.
June 16, 1994 The funerals of the victims are held.
June 17, 1994 About to be arrested for murder, Simpson slips out of Robert Kardashian's home. He is chased by police while riding in his white Ford Bronco, driven by friend A.C. Cowlings. When he returns to his home on Rockingham, Simpson is taken into custody.
June 24, 1994 Grand jury recused.
July 8, 1994 Six-day preliminary hearing ends with Judge Kathleen Kennedy-Powell ruling there is sufficient evidence for O.J. Simpson to stand trial on two counts of first-degree murder.
July 22, 1994 O.J. pleads "absolutely 100 percent not guilty" to the charges. Judge Lance A. Ito assigned to hear case.
August 18, 1994 Defense counsel files motion to obtain personnel records of Detective Mark Fuhrman.
September 2, 1994 District attorney files motion to sequester jury.
September 9, 1994 District attorney announces that the death penalty will not be sought.
September 19, 1994 Judge Ito upholds the legality of the search of Simpson's home.
November 3, 1994 Jury panel selected: eight black, one white, one hispanic, two mixed race; eight women, four men.
December 8, 1994 Alternate jury selected.
January 4, 1995 Defense waives hearing for challenge of prosecution's DNA evidence.
January 11, 1995 The jury is sequestered. Hearing held on admissibility of domestic-abuse evidence.
January 13, 1995 Prosecutor Christopher Darden and defense attorney Johnnie Cochran argue over racist language regarding the upcoming testimony of Mark Fuhrman.
January 24, 1995 Trial opens. Prosecutors Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden deliver opening statements.
January 25, 1995 Johnnie Cochran makes opening statement for the defense.
Less than 6 months. Do the math.
It's a part of the show. The assiting parties easily could have "killed" Michael in a way which did not have the complications that the current hoax does. Most likely even providing a video of MJ "being shot down" or whatever. End of story.
Show. The final curatin call nears.
Good point. My PC chair has suffer a lot since. :lol: Thank for the explanation hombre and welcome!
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Trial. Let's look at the definition of this word.
[trahy-uhl, trahyl]
–noun
1. Law .
a. the examination before a judicial tribunal of the facts put in issue in a cause, often including issues of law as well as those of fact.
b. the determination of a person's guilt or innocence by due process of law.
2. the act of trying, testing, or putting to the proof.
3. test; proof.
For our needs, Murray is the one on "trial".
For? Murder.
The facts pertaining to that inadvertanly or not, Murray killed MJ.
If your here reading this, then you beLIEve MJ is alive.
What exactly is being "tried"?
Anyone of you here could provide a most compelling case as to "a shadow of a doubt", Murray did not kill MJ. Yes you. And certainly one of you would persuade ONE juror to such. So there is doubt, therefore aquittal is a possibility.
So what does Murray's aquittial provide? So why have a trial?
Even "IF" proven guilty, what does a conviction provide?
Either way, a trial is a complete waste of time. Unless......
A trial would provide what? Who would watch/care? A "sting" involved as to legitamacy provides what?
Oppurtunity.....
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Forgot to add this. rr/
TS_comments wrote:
or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation).
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http://da.lacounty.gov/mr/020810a.htm?z ... id+Walgren (http://da.lacounty.gov/mr/020810a.htm?zoom_highlight=David+Walgren)
Jackson Physician Charged
LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson’s physician was charged by the District Attorney’s Office today with involuntary manslaughter in connection with the entertainer’s death last summer.
Dr. Conrad Robert Murray, 56 (dob 2-19-1953), was charged in case No. SA073164, filed at the Airport Branch of Los Angeles Superior Court. The count alleged that Murray “ did unlawfully, and without malice, kill Michael Joseph Jackson…in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; and in the commission of a lawful act which might have produced death, in an unlawful manner, and without due caution and circumspection.”
Arraignment was scheduled for later today in Department 144 of the Airport Court, 11701 S La Cienega Blvd.
Jackson, 50, was stricken at his North Carolwood Drive home on June 25, 2009, and taken to UCLA Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren of the Major Crimes Division will prosecute the case. Walgren has worked closely with the investigative agencies – the Los Angeles Police Department and the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office. Both agencies worked diligently and exhaustively to collect the evidence leading to filing of the case.
If convicted, Murray faces a possible maximum four-year state prison term. Sentencing will be up to the court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_included_offense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_included_offense)
Use in jury proceedings
In criminal jury trials, the court is permitted (but not required) to instruct jurors that they can find the defendant guilty of the most serious crime charged, or of a lesser included offense of that crime (in English law, this is termed an alternative verdict). In murder cases, however, where a convicted defendant may face capital punishment, the Supreme Court has held that the court must instruct the jury that they may find the defendant guilty of a lesser included offense such as voluntary manslaughter. The reasoning for this ruling is that jurors given the options of convicting a less culpable killer or letting him go free might opt to convict of a more serious crime than the facts warrant. Therefore, they must have at least one option that falls in between these extremes.
In the case where the jury has the option of convicting a defendant accused of a violation of law where there is a lesser included offense, if the jury acquits the defendant of the more serious offense but is otherwise unable to reach a verdict (i.e., is hung) on the lesser included offense, the defendant may be retried if the prosecutor chooses to do so, but only for the lesser included offense. If the jury finds the defendant not guilty of the lesser included offense, there would be no need to make a determination on the more serious offense as acquittal of a lesser included offense automatically constitutes acquittal of the more serious offense.
Sorry the vids don't embed links added.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCVNn-kL0g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCVNn-kL0g)
[youtube:3fmg6kmy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCVNn-kL0g[/youtube:3fmg6kmy]
Uploaded by MJSourced on Feb 10, 2010
Dr Conrad Murray arraignment from Feb-8-2010
[youtube:3fmg6kmy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxkmEWi4WcM&feature=related[/youtube:3fmg6kmy]
[youtube:3fmg6kmy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpSwf-lBHw&feature=related[/youtube:3fmg6kmy]
[youtube:3fmg6kmy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-GQo9pXiw[/youtube:3fmg6kmy]
Uploaded by CNN on Jan 25, 2011
Dr. Conrad Murray pleads not guilty on the charge of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxkmEWi4 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxkmEWi4WcM&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpSwf-l ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpSwf-lBHw&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-GQo9pXiw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-GQo9pXiw)
This is the Big Boss.
THE HONORABLE STEVE COOLEY
Los Angeles County District Attorney
http://da.lacounty.gov/history/cooley.htm (http://da.lacounty.gov/history/cooley.htm)
A big fat FAIL. They didn't do their job correctly because had they we would not be in the phase of the DA trying to prosecute Murray. They would have figured out that MJ is alive and therefore would not be under scrutiny right now.
http://da.lacounty.gov/bofi.htm (http://da.lacounty.gov/bofi.htm)
Bureau of Investigation
Staffed by over 260 investigators with full peace officer status, the Bureau of Investigation is the fourth largest law enforcement agency in Los Angeles County. Investigators in the Bureau conduct some of the most unique, sensitive, and complex criminal investigations in law enforcement today. D.A. Investigators are involved in a variety of operations, from high-profile raids in political corruption cases to probes in immigration fraud.
The primary function of D.A. investigators is to provide prosecution support to the District Attorney’s legal staff. By locating and processing prosecution witnesses and conducting supplemental pretrial investigations, investigators strengthen cases for prosecution.
Investigators are assigned to each District Attorney branch location in the County and to a variety of special units. Special units personnel work directly with deputy district attorneys in the office’s specialized programs to combat gangs, public corruption, organized crime, family violence, stalking, hate crimes, consumer fraud, and other high impact crimes.
Assisting other law enforcement agencies, when requested, is also an important function of the Bureau of Investigation. Assistance with vehicular and electronic surveillance, photographic services, and document analysis are available to other agencies.
http://da.lacounty.gov/fraud.htm (http://da.lacounty.gov/fraud.htm)
Justice System Integrity Division
http://da.lacounty.gov/jsid.htm (http://da.lacounty.gov/jsid.htm)
No one is above the law, especially those who are sworn to uphold it. Those who are charged with enforcing the laws of the State of California must themselves scrupulously obey the law. They must lead by example, and that example must be based on principles of honesty, integrity, credibility and accountability.
When judges, attorneys, police officers, and others working in the justice system break the law, they must be held accountable for their actions. The District Attorney created the Justice System Integrity Division (JSID), a team of highly experienced prosecutors and investigators, to ensure just that. JSID – with enhanced cooperation from local and federal agencies – provides the resources to detect, investigate, and prosecute criminal misconduct among those sworn to uphold the law.
By doing so, JSID deters criminal wrongdoing and helps raise confidence in law enforcement, the courts, and the justice system in general.
Judicial Official Misconduct
The Justice System Integrity Division investigates and prosecutes any allegation of criminal misconduct by a judicial officer. A judicial officer is defined as a judge, commissioner, referee, or administrative law judge hearing criminal or civil matters, whether active or retired.
"Criminal misconduct" includes conduct directly attributable to his or her official duties, or any conduct outside of those duties. This includes felony and misdemeanor violations of the law.
Attorney Criminal Misconduct
JSID investigates and prosecutes any allegation of criminal misconduct by an attorney practicing civil or criminal law. This applies to crimes directly attributable to his or her fiduciary duties (Example: theft from a client’s trust fund), as well as criminal acts that bear no relationship to his or her role as an attorney (Example: illegal drug possession). JSID responsibilities also include cases of attorneys who practice law while disbarred, suspended or otherwise ineligible to lawfully practice law.
Criminal Misconduct Among Law Enforcement Officers
Peace officers are critical to public safety and perform an important role in the justice system. It is crucial that their conduct – especially when it involves allegations of abuse – be carefully reviewed, both by their agency and the District Attorney’s Office.
JSID is responsible for investigating and prosecuting any allegation of criminal misconduct committed by a peace officer as defined by Penal Code Section 830.1 et seq. This pertains to crimes committed while either on or off duty. Parole and probation officers also come within the scope of this policy.
Police Misconduct Referral Protocols
To ensure that allegations of criminal misconduct are appropriately investigated and prosecuted, the District Attorney has established clear guidelines for their referral:
Referral Protocol for Outside Agencies
Referral Protocol for DDAs (internal)
Officer-involved Shootings (OIS) and In-custody Deaths
OIS Protocol
Report on The Officer-Involved Shooting of Anthony Dwayne Lee (Acrobat PDF 1.1 MB)
Matters involving the use of force, especially when death or serious bodily injury occurs, are often the most scrutinized matters involving a peace officer. The community has a right to know whether or not an officer lawfully used deadly force in the application of his or her duties. It is incumbent upon the District Attorney’s Office to investigate officer-involved shootings and deaths that occur while a person is in the custody of a peace officer.
To that end, the District Attorney’s Office has established the District Attorney Response Team (D.A.R.T.). Whenever a law enforcement shooting within the County of Los Angeles injures or fatally wounds a person, an experienced deputy district attorney and a senior investigator respond to the scene and conduct an independent investigation into the matter. The District Attorney’s Office also conducts independent investigations whenever force has been used against a person who is in the custody of a law enforcement officer and it appears that the force may have been the proximate cause of death.
The following quotes and posts are mine from the TIAI April 11 thread.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=323759#p323759 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=323759#p323759)
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326286#p326286 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326286#p326286)
Craig Harvey Coroner Spokesman, etc.-
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... icate.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/la-county-coroners-staff-improperly-viewed-michael-jacksons-death-certificate.html)
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161676 ... ewed.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616765/michael-jacksons-death-certificate-improperly-viewed.jhtml)
Some Interesting News On Chief Bratton.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... atton.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/los-angeles-police-chief-william-bratton.html)
Bratton plans to stay at LAPD until end of October
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... tober.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/bratton-plans-to-stay-at-lapd-until-end-of-october.html)
August 5, 2009
Mack said Bratton will "reunite" with Michael Cherkasky. Cherkasky and Bratton have been close associates. Before becoming chief, Bratton worked as a consultant for Cherkasky, advising governments in several countries on how to reform and build modern police forces. He also worked with the team of consultants that Cherkasky had assembled to monitor the LAPD for the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a consent decree forced on the department after the Rampart corruption scandal. As LAPD's chief, Bratton worked closely with Cherkasky, who remained the lead monitor overseeing the LAPD until the decree was terminated last month.
Cherkasky currently runs Altegrity, a company with several subsidiaries, one of which focuses on law enforcement and criminal justice issues. The firm consults with local police departments in emerging nations to teach them how to build and run their own justice systems. The company says it has trained thousands of people in anti-terrorism, counterinsurgency and police techniques in more than 50 countries, including Indonesia, Pakistan and Colombia. The company has also set up training camps to teach anti-terrorism and counter-insurgency tactics in Iraq and Afghanistan and has been involved in training local police in Iraq, its website says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal)
http://www.altegrity.com/Leadership.aspx (http://www.altegrity.com/Leadership.aspx)
http://www.altegrity.com/Leadership.aspx#bratton (http://www.altegrity.com/Leadership.aspx#bratton)
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326347#p326347 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326347#p326347)
The justice system is very much under scrutiny right now. The LAPD, DA, and anyone else who is not in the know is being watched very carefully to see how they handle this case. The judge is very real and very aware of blogs, tabloid gossipers and the fact that it could bias a jury. This trial is real yet fake at the same time. Fake in the sense that Murray did not kill MJ. Real in the sense that the DA who has issues already (see Grace’s post) viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&start=600#p326053 and was pressured by a whole bunch of family members and the public to prosecute Murray. The jury pool to select a final jury is very real. They come from the public and possible private sectors of Murray’s so called peers.
The way this case has been handled so far is not looking good for the LAPD and DA. There are more agencies with flaws that came to light because of this case. The fact that Michael went to trial based on lies and fabricated evidence is proof that the justice system has flaws except when it came to the jury who did the right thing and found him not guilty.
The fact that this case even made it this far besides the pressure to prosecute is also showing how flawed the system still is. We have found out this is a faked death yet the DA still is going ahead with this trial without seeming to notice all the evidence of clues left to say a big fat hello something is wrong here. This trial will eventually show light upon these clues. The jury should eventually scratch their heads and say wtf? There is already a safe guard that Murray won’t be prosecuted, he has very good lawyers set in place before he was even indicted, there is the Mr. X fingerprint on the syringe to provide reasonable doubt that someone else did it. There are a lot of other things that have been done to safe guard him but I am not going to list out everything that has been done and reported in the news.
All I can say at this time is a corpse was necessary to provide authentic testimony and make the after events of 6/25/2009 happen as they should as if this was a real death. The mistakes and obvious incompetent public figures will be shown with a bright light. I do not deny that MJ has key people in certain places to make sure this goes in the direction it should. These key figures have helped with some of the planting of false evidence aka clues to show people that something aint right. If people failed to see this then it won’t be MJ’s fault nor anyone else who helped to make very blatant in your face clues.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326571#p326571 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326571#p326571)
So yes this part of the hoax concerning the trial and whether or not Murray gets convicted over false evidence is very important. Just because there are clues to say Murray didn’t do it and we know he didn’t do it DOES NOT guarantee that the jury will not be biased/racist/prejudice and convict him on flimsy/false evidence.
Hypothetical situation of Murray being convicted:
It would be a miscarriage of justice and IMO the jury would have convicted him based on emotional bias/racist/prejudice. Maybe they don’t like Murray because he took away The KOP and they’re secretly a fan or maybe they don’t like MJ but still want to punish Murray for whatever their biased/racist/prejudice emotional feelings think at that time.
The DA and the Defense will present their cases. This is a combination of hard evidence and theatrics with who tells the better story. Who is more believable? It is the DA’s job to convince the jury Murray did it by using evidence that can be seen, touched and then made to believe it is true. It is the Defenses job to poke holes in anything the DA says and show that there is still a more logical explanation to the facts presented. It sometimes comes down to who did the most convincing talking.[/b]
elvis_/ michael-jackson/ bearhug
Hello TS thanks for this new thread. I waited out the rockyness before jumping in.
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Trial. Let's look at the definition of this word.
[trahy-uhl, trahyl]
–noun
1. Law .
a. the examination before a judicial tribunal of the facts put in issue in a cause, often including issues of law as well as those of fact.
b. the determination of a person's guilt or innocence by due process of law.
2. the act of trying, testing, or putting to the proof.
3. test; proof.
For our needs, Murray is the one on "trial".
For? Murder.
The facts pertaining to that inadvertanly or not, Murray killed MJ.
If your here reading this, then you beLIEve MJ is alive.
What exactly is being "tried"?
Anyone of you here could provide a most compelling case as to "a shadow of a doubt", Murray did not kill MJ. Yes you. And certainly one of you would persuade ONE juror to such. So there is doubt, therefore aquittal is a possibility.
So what does Murray's aquittial provide? So why have a trial?
Even "IF" proven guilty, what does a conviction provide?
Either way, a trial is a complete waste of time. Unless......
A trial would provide what? Who would watch/care? A "sting" involved as to legitamacy provides what?
Oppurtunity.....
Personally I think a trial is pointless...if it is to used to set up a sting operation then I think that was what the pretrial and procedures were there for...if it goes to trial it will just be based on the case of Murray 'killing' MJ, i think that possibly if it is a case to do with public corruption of courts then the FBI have all the info they need.
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Let's look at this...
A sting to take MJ down. The "glory" the goverment would take down ike our dead friend Osama, the agencies involed would want credit. ( ie dead osama pic online)
A sting to help MJ. And a trial does what? You have now wasted tax payers money in a hard economic time.
NO and NO.
Think outside the box. The purpose of trial provides nothing either for or against. Murray killed him...Yeah!!! or He did not. Yeah!!! Who is gaining anyting by either outcome? NOONE. Nothing good comes of trial if MJ dead or alive. And nonone but us really cares.
Examples...
John Lennon less than 6 months from crime to trial.
JFK less than one week.
Ronald Reagan= 1.3 years...
Still no comparsion vs. MJ. 2 years! Delayed again? The hold up?
Murray either performed outside of his scope of practice or MJ did it to himself.
Either way 2 years to resolve?
So why then? Think why would we wait this long for a trial. It is a case of malpratice or basically suicide.
Either way 2 years is a insane amount of time for this trial.
SO why? Why 2 years?
No reason. None. "normal world" this is done in 2 months max.
BUT....If FBI,DEA,CIA, LAPD,LAFD,LACCO or whomever is involved only tells you one thing.....
This is rigged. Part of the plan. ( to make numerology work) we are DELAYED again.
And delayed why............................don't you see........................there is no reason.
OPPURTUNITY..............................Definition of BAM
: a sudden loud noise —often used interjectionally to indicate a sudden impact or occurrence <was fine, then bam, he lost his job>
Noone expects a thing....................then Bam. "Final curtain call" he said. Never said when.
And if you think I am FULL of it........then why...............
after 2 years does TS SUDDENLY challenge us to find the clues? Why now? Why not 6 months "post-death"? PLAN>>>OPPURTUNITY>>>>>BAM
This very thread is the reward for our faith. And TS is giving the specifics reasons why/how. I have/had watched HOURS of vids....side by side....never noticed the plants........you?
Think about it.
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op·por·tu·ni·ty /ˌɒpərˈtunɪti, -ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled
[op-er-too-ni-tee, -tyoo-] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. an appropriate or favorable time or occasion: Their meeting afforded an opportunity to exchange views.
2. a situation or condition favorable for attainment of a goal.
3. a good position, chance, or prospect, as for advancement or success.
"We only have 4 years to save the planet".
Or did you not see that?
What better op·por·tu·ni·ty is there ever gonna be? The world will be watching........for the last time.
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op·por·tu·ni·ty /ˌɒpərˈtunɪti, -ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled
[op-er-too-ni-tee, -tyoo-] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. an appropriate or favorable time or occasion: Their meeting afforded an opportunity to exchange views.
2. a situation or condition favorable for attainment of a goal.
3. a good position, chance, or prospect, as for advancement or success.
"We only have 4 years to save the planet"
Or did you not see that............
What better op·por·tu·ni·ty is there.......the world will be watching......for the last time.
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Itsneverasitseems, welcome and thanks for your input. The ones that have been here for 2yrs, have been through alot of ups and downs, and have found these clues from the start...
I agree with you about the trial being set up....did you know Michael pastor is actually already under investigation??
This is a long post, but please take time to read it..........Cheers
Wednesday, February 23, 2011
JUDGE MICHAEL PASTOR AND THE MEDICAL BOARD OF CALIFORNIA : THE FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST THEM
LAURACK D. BRAY, ESQ., M.S., M.P.A., J.D.
FEDERAL ATTORNEY
P.O. Box 611432
Los Angeles, California 90061
(805) 901-2693
The following is the federal criminal-civil rights Complaint that was filed in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles, CA against Superior Court judge Michael Pastor and the Medical Board of California (MBC) on January 24, 2011. The Complaint speaks for itself, but I believe it demonstrates why judge Pastor cannot preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial without violating Murray's constitutional due process and other rights. If the U.S. Constitution has any meaning at all, and if judge Pastor and the Superior Court of California has any respect at all for the Constitution, there must be a new judge assigned to preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial in March, in order to protect, inter alia, Murray's right to a fair trial.
So I believe things are going on behind closed doors...
You can read the rest here..
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011_0 ... chive.html (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html)
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Itsneverasitseems, welcome and thanks for your input. The ones that have been here for 2yrs, have been through alot of ups and downs, and have found these clues from the start...
I agree with you about the trial being set up....did you know Michael pastor is actually already under investigation??
This is a long post, but please take time to read it..........Cheers
Wednesday, February 23, 2011
JUDGE MICHAEL PASTOR AND THE MEDICAL BOARD OF CALIFORNIA : THE FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST THEM
LAURACK D. BRAY, ESQ., M.S., M.P.A., J.D.
FEDERAL ATTORNEY
P.O. Box 611432
Los Angeles, California 90061
(805) 901-2693
The following is the federal criminal-civil rights Complaint that was filed in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles, CA against Superior Court judge Michael Pastor and the Medical Board of California (MBC) on January 24, 2011. The Complaint speaks for itself, but I believe it demonstrates why judge Pastor cannot preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial without violating Murray's constitutional due process and other rights. If the U.S. Constitution has any meaning at all, and if judge Pastor and the Superior Court of California has any respect at all for the Constitution, there must be a new judge assigned to preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial in March, in order to protect, inter alia, Murray's right to a fair trial.
So I believe things are going on behind closed doors...
You can read the rest here..
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011_0 ... chive.html (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html)
And as you say, things are going on behing closed doors...closed by who and why......tho my "sign-on" is new does not mean I am.............Maybe people tune out to some posts and finally read anothers.............Been here from the start..........be here til the end. Perspective needs different angles and this is just one.
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Let's look at this...
A sting to take MJ down. The "glory" the goverment would take down ike our dead friend Osama, the agencies involed would want credit. ( ie dead osama pic online)
A sting to help MJ. And a trial does what? You have now wasted tax payers money in a hard economic time.
NO and NO.
Think outside the box. The purpose of trial provides nothing either for or against. Murray killed him...Yeah!!! or He did not. Yeah!!! Who is gaining anyting by either outcome? NOONE. Nothing good comes of trial if MJ dead or alive. And nonone but us really cares.
Examples...
John Lennon less than 6 months from crime to trial.
JFK less than one week.
Ronald Reagan= 1.3 years...
Still no comparsion vs. MJ. 2 years! Delayed again? The hold up?
Murray either performed outside of his scope of practice or MJ did it to himself.
Either way 2 years to resolve?
So why then? Think why would we wait this long for a trial. It is a case of malpratice or basically suicide.
Either way 2 years is a insane amount of time for this trial.
SO why? Why 2 years?
No reason. None. "normal world" this is done in 2 months max.
BUT....If FBI,DEA,CIA, LAPD,LAFD,LACCO or whomever is involved only tells you one thing.....
This is rigged. Part of the plan. ( to make numerology work) we are DELAYED again.
And delayed why............................don't you see........................there is no reason.
OPPURTUNITY..............................Definition of BAM
: a sudden loud noise —often used interjectionally to indicate a sudden impact or occurrence <was fine, then bam, he lost his job>
Noone expects a thing....................then Bam. "Final curtain call" he said. Never said when.
And if you think I am FULL of it........then why...............
after 2 years does TS SUDDENLY challenge us to find the clues? Why now? Why not 6 months "post-death"? PLAN>>>OPPURTUNITY>>>>>BAM
This very thread is the reward for our faith. And TS is giving the specifics reasons why/how. I have/had watched HOURS of vids....side by side....never noticed the plants........you?
Think about it.
So you think it's delayed because of numerology...when MJ BAMS you think it will fit in with numerology?
Since you said the trial does not do anything for anyone do you think that the BAM will be on the same day as the sting operation or the it will be before the BAM?
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Could be both..things have to be just right, in all ways...Delays are because things are not rolling as quickly or a s planned. We can't find confidential files on the internet, so we can only speculate for now.
found this out if anyone is interested.. The attorney working with Lindsay Lohan, and Judge Schwartz, is a friend of Michaels....-hmmmmmmm
Also, I have found toys in court room before, and usually this happens when children are present...
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Could be both..things have to be just right, in all ways...Delays are because things are not rolling as quickly or a s planned. We can't find confidential files on the internet, so we can only speculate for now.
found this out if anyone is interested.. The attorney working with Lindsay Lohan, and Judge Schwartz, is a friend of Michaels....-hmmmmmmm
Also, I have found toys in court room before, and usually this happens when children are present...
So you think that's why there were toys in the courtroom for Murray and Lindsay?
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Could be both..things have to be just right, in all ways...Delays are because things are not rolling as quickly or a s planned. We can't find confidential files on the internet, so we can only speculate for now.
found this out if anyone is interested.. The attorney working with Lindsay Lohan, and Judge Schwartz, is a friend of Michaels....-hmmmmmmm
Also, I have found toys in court room before, and usually this happens when children are present...
So you think that's why there were toys in the courtroom for Murray and Lindsay?
Probably....yes. And by the way, Bees sting, Scorpians bite. TS...The Scorpian lolol/ lolol/
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Could be both..things have to be just right, in all ways...Delays are because things are not rolling as quickly or a s planned. We can't find confidential files on the internet, so we can only speculate for now.
found this out if anyone is interested.. The attorney working with Lindsay Lohan, and Judge Schwartz, is a friend of Michaels....-hmmmmmmm
Also, I have found toys in court room before, and usually this happens when children are present...
So you think that's why there were toys in the courtroom for Murray and Lindsay?
Probably....yes. And by the way, Bees sting, Scorpians bite. TS...The Scorpian lolol/ lolol/
Yes...and when Scorpions sting you it can be very venomous and can potentially kill you unless your not careful.
I guess that's what is going to happen in The Sting. lolol/
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by fordtocarr » Tue May 03, 2011 6:33 pm
Also, if not a sting, and just a hoax...WHO IS PAYING FOR IT? Who paid for the HUGE memorial..and funeral...you name it? That all would really eat up the earnings Michael has gained these 2 years.
I think there are sponsers for this hoax, such as Coca Cola, and wealthy friends maybe even like Mohamed Al-Fayed.
Im_convincedmjalive
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=326347#p326347
The fact that this case even made it this far besides the pressure to prosecute is also showing how flawed the system still is. We have found out this is a faked death yet the DA still is going ahead with this trial without seeming to notice all the evidence of clues left to say a big fat hello something is wrong here. This trial will eventually show light upon these clues. The jury should eventually scratch their heads and say wtf? There is already a safe guard that Murray won’t be prosecuted, he has very good lawyers set in place before he was even indicted, there is the Mr. X fingerprint on the syringe to provide reasonable doubt that someone else did it. There are a lot of other things that have been done to safe guard him but I am not going to list out everything that has been done and reported in the news.
So like the fabled story of The Emperor’s Clothes where the child says, “Why is the emperor naked?“ while the adults were too prideful to say the obvious; why is there no child-like adult soul in this court system who will in sweet innocence and bravery say, “But, how come Dr. Murray doesn't know proper CPR and waited so long to phone 911, and why are there so many inconsistencies and things that make no sense, and why are there animals in the courtroom? Does anyone think Michael Jackson may have hoaxed his death for a stunt?”
I'm still not convinced of a sting court being a part of it, even thought TS lists it as one of many reasons for the hoax. Although someone posted about the vast amounts of info we've been shown online including TMZ is deliberately giving us something to feel satisfied with, while in reality the stories going down and ways the FBI are actually involved is completely different with not a peep to outsiders. Could they be that tight-lipped and classified? Probably. And like MJ once said, "You see and read what I want you to, and when I want you to." Remember the lengths we were told that the producers of TII went to prevent any leaks before the premiere showing? Amost funny! And also another poster said that maybe because the FBI were involved in MJ's life in the past, that they are included in this hoax as aspects of the ARG/Thriller 2, etc. This is such a mind-bender!
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You all have posted some interesting thoughts/theories and I'm trying to consider everything you are saying. I'm left with several puzzle pieces in my head not quite fitting together yet, but I'm listing my stream of consciousness for now and will come back to this later to flesh out:
1. Real court. Why delayed?
2. If a Sting, no need for real court involving Murray but real court involving someone else being taken down by the sting. Perhaps TS is telling us it is a sting although he wants us to prove that for ourselves, not just take his word for it. If not a sting, why use the image of a scorpion to indicate the next level? Why not a court room? Why the FBI hat as first image in the last thread? These things go together, sting/FBI. Murray as undercover agent? Good question. Why not? Need to work through the pros and cons of this.
3. All the people trying to take advantage of Michael and how to bring them down in a sting. There could be many and all. There were many. Leonard Rowe's book discusses this clearly for me. Odd time related to 6/25/09 to rehire certain people fired previously... But who? Branca? NOI? DiLeo? Thome Thome? Klein? It has to be huge, much bigger than individuals. Sony? It involves the public good but also Michael's assets. Doesn't have to be either/or.
FBI and sting requires MJ to hoax his death.
4. When I listen to Morphine, I come to conclusion that Michael hated drugs. He hated what they were doing to people's lives/to celebrities. Michael said in Moonwalker he would never succumb. He mentioned so often the broken celebrities, beaten down and given drugs. Doctors giving out drugs like candy. Perhaps the stockpile of Propofol was to catch everyone who'd give it to him. Entrapment? Yes/No? MJ was too aware to be addicted and he tells us in Morphine.
5. Can't forget he said he would die like Elvis. LMP said this was not a good idea.. Not the right response to someone who was addicted to drugs or forsees their own tragic death. Had to be another reason she said that.
6. All those images in the 80's with Michael and law enforcement. Reagan. Bush. Latoya is a police officer. Marlon and his FBI hat with that big happy (knowing) grin.
7. So many parallels to Elvis. What else parallels? A trial and a secret witness mentioned...
Article:For years, the man known only as Elvis to the public, has caused world wide confusion concerning his supposed death on August 16, 1977 after entertaining and dazzling the world for over 20 years. Elvis Aaron Presley, did not die on that fateful day. He was only removed from the public eye to continue in his fight against drug use.
It had been rumored that he had died from a drug overdose. It is a well known and documented fact that Elvis had always been a strong believer and fighter against communism and drug use. In a meeting with President Richard Nixon on December 20, 1970, Elvis stated his true feelings against drugs and communism, believing that the two were definitely related. At that time, the President appointed him to be a Special Agent in the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now known as the Drug Enforcement Agency or DEA). What a perfect way to stage his escape from the limelight and publicity to move into undercover activities to prevent the use of drugs, than to say that he had died from the use of drugs.
In that meeting between the President of the United States and the King of Rock-n-Roll, President Nixon told Elvis that his image, reputation and credibility with his fans especially the younger kids and the hippie crowd, must not be tarnished. Elvis needed to maintain, in the public's eye, what had already been established. If Elvis were to go public about becoming a part of the war on drugs, suspicions would surely arise and any future plans of Elvis being able to be an effective force for the government would be destroyed.
Elvis was able to keep his involvement with the government, his public life and his private life completely separate but all the same. His involvement in bringing down drug dealers, and activities by the Mafioso, musicians and Hollywood actors came about as he performed and made public appearances as his family traveled and joined him most of the time. He was able to keep his activities with the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and his involvement with the Federal Bureau of Investigations secret from his fans and family. The only one in his family that knew of Elvis's activities was his father Vernon. Vernon knew far more than all of Elvis's entourage, assistants, the government, his family and fans all put together.
In 1976 Elvis had become a part of a sting operation orchestrated by the FBI against the Mafia. Vernon had needed to raise some extra cash since the private jet that Elvis was leasing was a major hemorrhage in their expenses. Vernon was approached by Fredrick Pro, president of Air Cargo Airlines out of Florida. Fredrick was known to the FBI as Alfredo Poc, president of Trident Consortium in New York, and under investigation for racketeering, fraud and other Mafia activities. An agreement was reached between Vernon and Fredrick on how to refinance the plane, lease it to Fredrick, and gain an extra $10,000 a month on the plane. AT first Vernon was completely niave of what Pro and his co-horts were up to. As checks that were promised to come in from Pro were either not appearing or were bounced. Vernon had contacted the FBI.
The FBI had been monitoring Pro and his other Mafia connections since the mid 1960's. The FBI assigned two of their best Special Agents to go undercover in Elvis's entourage to infiltrate the mob activities. Vernon and Elvis were briefed on the continuing investigation and were excited to help the FBI in their operation.
By July 1977, the FBI felt it had enough evidence to arrest and convict the world wide Mafia ring that defrauded the Presley family of over one million dollars and many other organizations around the world.Arrest warrants for everyone in the fraud ring were issued on August 16, 1977. Not surprisingly enough that was the day Elvis "died".
The night before, Elvis was extremely agitated. He seemed unusually worried about everything. The next day when he was announced to be dead, the paramedics showed up two hours after they were supposedly called, on their arrival they put on a terrific show trying to revive the King. The coroner's official report has never been released. Pictures of Elvis in his coffin have never been proven to be him. Handwriting experts have proven that the signature on his death certificate is Elvis's own handwriting.
In Elvis's last concert tour in the early summer of 1977, he left clues that he was not going to be around much longer in public. Elvis had said several times in that tour, "I dont look very good now, but I will look good in my coffin". He also stated that he was tired of living the way that he was, and that his life would change. He also said he would be just himself instead of an image.
Vernon had asked many of Elvis's close friends and family not to come to the funeral, but to come to Graceland a week later. He also would not accept the American flag, which is usually awarded to dead war veterans. At Elvis's request, Vernon did not order any new jumpsuits in 1977, which is quite odd, since he usually ordered at least two new ones a month.
Six weeks before his "death?", several publications released pictures of Elvis with his newly issued badge and identification from the DEA. He also was seen and photographed on a drug raid that same week wearing the typical DEA jogging suit.
Just two weeks before his "death", Elvis had met with then President Carter, who had issued a tribute to the world concerning his death. The tribute was released the moment Elvis's death was made public.
On October 18, 1977, Pro had finally been arrested along with many other men involved in the Presley fraud case. In September of 1978, they finally went to trial. During that trial, a secret witness testified. He told of things that only Elvis himself would know. The name of that witness has never been released publicly.
Getting Elvis out of public, private and Mafia sight was the only way the government could guarantee a conviction of Pro and his henchmen. In return the government had made Elvis one of their top undercover agents in the DEA. As a special undercover DEA agent, he would be traveling around the globe, which explains why there are many "Elvis sightings" around the world.[/u]
During his entertainment days, Elvis would travel using fictitious names such as Col. James Burrows, Al Jefferies and others. Their have been photos of men traveling around the country, appearing on stage, and involved in drug and Mafia arrests that have gone by the names that Elvis used when publicly performing.
The mysteriousness of his "death" is good for Elvis so he can maintain his secret undercover identity and still be seen in public.
In a very recent interview, a source that must remain anomoyus, said, "I saw Elvis in the mall exiting the J. Crew store. He was carrying large bags full of clothes and was traveling with some kids that seemed 'undesireable' and may be drug dealers or users". The clues that leave no doubt that Elvis did not die on August 16, 1977, are endless and rock solid proof that he is working undercover for the federal government. elvis_/
Hmmmm. If I believe MJ's situation is similar to this, I would say Murray is working undercover too as was said by someone else on this thread. Maybe the only difference between what Elvis did and what MJ is doing, is that MJ is making it bigger, better and HIGH TECH to reach the universe. "He thinks planets." So, the movie theory comes into play as well. Quoting Back: "it's not a comeback, it's a TAKEOVER." Game Over indeed.
There could be a real trial because of a sting (it just won't be Murray on trial when it finally comes around. And with the help MJ has given authorities, they agree to some things he wants to do as in GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH and the continual success of all his projects he's delayed at least since 2001. He's unfolding it with spiritual numbers he started planning long ago... Thanks to hoaxland, there's been an audience and a witness every step of the way. I bow/ to you, MJ.
Ah, back to thinking and working through these thoughts. This I know for sure: THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
Oh yeah, I wanted to add this as proof that a sting would protect a famous man's assets:
Suspected Bootleg Operation Uncovered
August 02, 2010
In a major sting operation in Los Angeles, Elvis Presley Enterprises (EPE) has filed charges and is actively working with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department who have recently conducted raids and have uncovered a major bootleg and fraudulent product operations of unauthorized Elvis Presley merchandise. Further details cannot be released at this time due to the ongoing investigation, but EPE is making it very clear that be it back room businesses, suburban garages, or via the Internet, they will not tolerate the gross and illegal abuse of the name, image and likeness of Elvis Presley.
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JERMAINE SAID THIS ON TWITTER
i have compassion for those whose denial misinforms them, but this increasing hoax talk is wrong and helps no-one. love you all
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Reply Retweet . it saddens me to read tweets that believe Michael is still alive. He is not. Pls stop hurting yourselves with this false belief
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Reply Retweet . I hadn't wished to address this, because I find it hard to accept that people think this way, but...
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I think we have the answer once and for all.
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JMO: Maybe the trial would never be happened (judging from the delays), so it's a hoax trial. The hearing so far is just to tell us the progress of the hoax, just to update us and to show us how hoax it is. I can't support with reasons because I'm not clever. It's all just my feeling and my thoughts :)
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JERMAINE SAID THIS ON TWITTER
i have compassion for those whose denial misinforms them, but this increasing hoax talk is wrong and helps no-one. love you all
5 minutes ago via web
Reply Retweet . it saddens me to read tweets that believe Michael is still alive. He is not. Pls stop hurting yourselves with this false belief
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Reply Retweet . I hadn't wished to address this, because I find it hard to accept that people think this way, but...
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Ooooopsss! This is not good! But I hope.... it's-never-as-it.seems!!!
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Thank you Mr. Airport.
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Thank you Mr. Airport.
Haha! That's funny! :lol: And yes, I wouldn't put to much weight into that...
Btw.. Doesn't Itsneverasitseems sound familiar to you guys?? :?
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Trial. Let's look at the definition of this word.
[trahy-uhl, trahyl]
–noun
1. Law .
a. the examination before a judicial tribunal of the facts put in issue in a cause, often including issues of law as well as those of fact.
b. the determination of a person's guilt or innocence by due process of law.
2. the act of trying, testing, or putting to the proof.
3. test; proof.
For our needs, Murray is the one on "trial".
For? Murder.
The facts pertaining to that inadvertanly or not, Murray killed MJ.
If your here reading this, then you beLIEve MJ is alive.
What exactly is being "tried"?
Anyone of you here could provide a most compelling case as to "a shadow of a doubt", Murray did not kill MJ. Yes you. And certainly one of you would persuade ONE juror to such. So there is doubt, therefore aquittal is a possibility.
So what does Murray's aquittial provide? So why have a trial?
Even "IF" proven guilty, what does a conviction provide?
Either way, a trial is a complete waste of time. Unless......
A trial would provide what? Who would watch/care? A "sting" involved as to legitamacy provides what?
Oppurtunity.....
What does Murray's acquittal provide? How about judicial impropriety, somehow, letting ANOTHER doctor WALK from pumping tons of drugs into wealthy people? The common Joe is not able to get more than a "safe" supply of their prescriptions---not EVEN to stockpile for when the crap hits the fan next year. THIS is a nonsensical SMOKESCREEN of "propriety" :x to throw off the feds that any doctor or network could be doing wrong with pharmaceuticals...
There is a network of big Pharma making their money ANY way they can, and everyone KNOWS that no doctors are EVER jailed for their part in a death. Usually they work in "teams", so no one really knows any more, who "malpracticed" what or when...but in Anna Nicole Smith's case (God rest her poor soul) and MJ's "case", the doctors KNOWINGLY prescribed millions of dollars of drugs to various unsubstantiated names' actual identity.
There are safeguards in place to keep addicts from multiple prescriptions in a period of time, but NO restraints on doctors, where the buck stops (that there is a bonafide human individual), to prescribe ANYTHING they wish over the fax or phone, for as many bogus nonexistent people as they can dream up!
[Perhaps, MJ, like millions of us, just had enough of this sick greedy business, and decided to sting BACK. 8-) ]
When ANS's doctors AND handler, that snake, Stern, who thought her being practically mentally VACANT every day of her life, was amusing... :x :evil: WALKED, I was OUTraged :!: :!: I wished for a CHAMPION, even an underworld vigilante, but she really had no one to avenge her. The thing was, though, WHY did these people walk scott free???????
HOW?????
Dirty Judicial kickbacks, maybe??? IDK. But, think about THAT. There HAS to be a trial.
Murray will be acquitted.
FBI will swoop in.
JAIL FOR JUDGES!! yeah!
This IS BIG.
BAM. :D
MJ, My hero!
bearhug
It is NEEDED. Is this the plan? MJ's plan? Well... I like it better than, the whiney, "there's NO real trial, it won't happen". :lol: ;)
Oh, BTW, Itsneverasitseems, Welcome! I see you like to dish it out. Can you take it? ;) mj_dance/ ha ha ha
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I know some are sick of me saying this but, did we not hear MJ mention doctor Murray in his Smooth Criminal video? What does it mean? When you access the lyrics, they are not there, but I know what I heard him sing in video, and many others heard the same thing. Is it an illusion? It doesn't make sense for it not to be a message from MJ. The song was on his album Bad, and ON the VIDEO is when we hear it and see him. O-BEE's lyrics in - All Around the World - "I'm a radio monster and a video beast." Sorry Omer, but you are not a radio monster or video beast. Now why would MJ use those two words? MONSTER/BEAST My God!
I still say that since MJ hoaxed his death, then it most likely would have been a "hoax court." I wondered if a trial would ever take place myself. Didn't someone research once and showed that when people made films, they at times receive permission to rent/utilize public buildings? I thought they also showed where they could make a rented room look like a real room (i.e. - courtroom or courthouse). In movies we see on the big screen or on TV, one sees actors walking up to buildings with signs that read as if they were real (San Malachi Courthouse - The Book of Malachi). Matlock (the detective) comes to mind. Perry Mason, et al. Doesn't some City, County and State officials allow these Hollywood types to use real buildings at times?
And speaking of Doc Murray, Lol, I don't think that he is a real doctor. At one time, he wasn't even known to be the attending official until two days later (it was Thome-Thome). Even when Jermaine the announcement, we didn't know the doc's name. One pic until................? And on and on. His video pleading his case was too Michaelish. Many of his so-called patients on his attorney website are people noted in history for something and have passed. He was on the beach with a lady that was also with PP&B in Hawaii last year. Lol
And last but not least, please give me a break, but there is no way that just the Doc would be charged. They charged Howard Stern and a doctor for Anna Nicole, and on and on. The Jackson would have raised holy terror if MJ had really passed. I don't care what Jermaine tweets, because he is just keeping with the illusion. I don't think Mj went to the airport. Remember that picture with MJ and Blanket getting off of an airplane. That probably was taken before 6-25-09. Remember in the Jackson Family Dynasty, Jermaine makes a big production of having this recurring dream that MJ was trying to get a message to him, so they go to FL (?) to what, ask MJ to speak to them thru a seance? Lol
I think this is a ARG/Documentary/Thriller II production. Of course, when MJ comes back, he'll look similar to a scene from video below, but he will also have serious a message to share with the world. It may be July when he busts a move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PP ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PPKX4&feature=related)
It's Her, great post, and I agree 100%. The below video is not for the faint of heart, so please don't watch. I cried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMyc7suUM0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMyc7suUM0)
It's BS.
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You all have posted some interesting thoughts/theories and I'm trying to consider everything you are saying. I'm left with several puzzle pieces in my head not quite fitting together yet, but I'm listing my stream of consciousness for now and will come back to this later to flesh out:
1. Real court. Why delayed?
2. If a Sting, no need for real court involving Murray but real court involving someone else being taken down by the sting. Perhaps TS is telling us it is a sting although he wants us to prove that for ourselves, not just take his word for it. If not a sting, why use the image of a scorpion to indicate the next level? Why not a court room? Why the FBI hat as first image in the last thread? These things go together, sting/FBI. Murray as undercover agent? Good question. Why not? Need to work through the pros and cons of this.
3. All the people trying to take advantage of Michael and how to bring them down in a sting. There could be many and all. There were many. Leonard Rowe's book discusses this clearly for me. Odd time related to 6/25/09 to rehire certain people fired previously... But who? Branca? NOI? DiLeo? Thome Thome? Klein? It has to be huge, much bigger than individuals. Sony? It involves the public good but also Michael's assets. Doesn't have to be either/or.
FBI and sting requires MJ to hoax his death.
4. When I listen to Morphine, I come to conclusion that Michael hated drugs. He hated what they were doing to people's lives/to celebrities. Michael said in Moonwalker he would never succumb. He mentioned so often the broken celebrities, beaten down and given drugs. Doctors giving out drugs like candy. Perhaps the stockpile of Propofol was to catch everyone who'd give it to him. Entrapment? Yes/No? MJ was too aware to be addicted and he tells us in Morphine.
5. Can't forget he said he would die like Elvis. LMP said this was not a good idea.. Not the right response to someone who was addicted to drugs or forsees their own tragic death. Had to be another reason she said that.
6. All those images in the 80's with Michael and law enforcement. Reagan. Bush. Latoya is a police officer. Marlon and his FBI hat with that big happy (knowing) grin.
7. So many parallels to Elvis. What else parallels? A trial and a secret witness mentioned...
Article:For years, the man known only as Elvis to the public, has caused world wide confusion concerning his supposed death on August 16, 1977 after entertaining and dazzling the world for over 20 years. Elvis Aaron Presley, did not die on that fateful day. He was only removed from the public eye to continue in his fight against drug use.
It had been rumored that he had died from a drug overdose. It is a well known and documented fact that Elvis had always been a strong believer and fighter against communism and drug use. In a meeting with President Richard Nixon on December 20, 1970, Elvis stated his true feelings against drugs and communism, believing that the two were definitely related. At that time, the President appointed him to be a Special Agent in the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now known as the Drug Enforcement Agency or DEA). What a perfect way to stage his escape from the limelight and publicity to move into undercover activities to prevent the use of drugs, than to say that he had died from the use of drugs.
In that meeting between the President of the United States and the King of Rock-n-Roll, President Nixon told Elvis that his image, reputation and credibility with his fans especially the younger kids and the hippie crowd, must not be tarnished. Elvis needed to maintain, in the public's eye, what had already been established. If Elvis were to go public about becoming a part of the war on drugs, suspicions would surely arise and any future plans of Elvis being able to be an effective force for the government would be destroyed.
Elvis was able to keep his involvement with the government, his public life and his private life completely separate but all the same. His involvement in bringing down drug dealers, and activities by the Mafioso, musicians and Hollywood actors came about as he performed and made public appearances as his family traveled and joined him most of the time. He was able to keep his activities with the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and his involvement with the Federal Bureau of Investigations secret from his fans and family. The only one in his family that knew of Elvis's activities was his father Vernon. Vernon knew far more than all of Elvis's entourage, assistants, the government, his family and fans all put together.
In 1976 Elvis had become a part of a sting operation orchestrated by the FBI against the Mafia. Vernon had needed to raise some extra cash since the private jet that Elvis was leasing was a major hemorrhage in their expenses. Vernon was approached by Fredrick Pro, president of Air Cargo Airlines out of Florida. Fredrick was known to the FBI as Alfredo Poc, president of Trident Consortium in New York, and under investigation for racketeering, fraud and other Mafia activities. An agreement was reached between Vernon and Fredrick on how to refinance the plane, lease it to Fredrick, and gain an extra $10,000 a month on the plane. AT first Vernon was completely niave of what Pro and his co-horts were up to. As checks that were promised to come in from Pro were either not appearing or were bounced. Vernon had contacted the FBI.
The FBI had been monitoring Pro and his other Mafia connections since the mid 1960's. The FBI assigned two of their best Special Agents to go undercover in Elvis's entourage to infiltrate the mob activities. Vernon and Elvis were briefed on the continuing investigation and were excited to help the FBI in their operation.
By July 1977, the FBI felt it had enough evidence to arrest and convict the world wide Mafia ring that defrauded the Presley family of over one million dollars and many other organizations around the world.Arrest warrants for everyone in the fraud ring were issued on August 16, 1977. Not surprisingly enough that was the day Elvis "died".
The night before, Elvis was extremely agitated. He seemed unusually worried about everything. The next day when he was announced to be dead, the paramedics showed up two hours after they were supposedly called, on their arrival they put on a terrific show trying to revive the King. The coroner's official report has never been released. Pictures of Elvis in his coffin have never been proven to be him. Handwriting experts have proven that the signature on his death certificate is Elvis's own handwriting.
In Elvis's last concert tour in the early summer of 1977, he left clues that he was not going to be around much longer in public. Elvis had said several times in that tour, "I dont look very good now, but I will look good in my coffin". He also stated that he was tired of living the way that he was, and that his life would change. He also said he would be just himself instead of an image.
Vernon had asked many of Elvis's close friends and family not to come to the funeral, but to come to Graceland a week later. He also would not accept the American flag, which is usually awarded to dead war veterans. At Elvis's request, Vernon did not order any new jumpsuits in 1977, which is quite odd, since he usually ordered at least two new ones a month.
Six weeks before his "death?", several publications released pictures of Elvis with his newly issued badge and identification from the DEA. He also was seen and photographed on a drug raid that same week wearing the typical DEA jogging suit.
Just two weeks before his "death", Elvis had met with then President Carter, who had issued a tribute to the world concerning his death. The tribute was released the moment Elvis's death was made public.
On October 18, 1977, Pro had finally been arrested along with many other men involved in the Presley fraud case. In September of 1978, they finally went to trial. During that trial, a secret witness testified. He told of things that only Elvis himself would know. The name of that witness has never been released publicly.
Getting Elvis out of public, private and Mafia sight was the only way the government could guarantee a conviction of Pro and his henchmen. In return the government had made Elvis one of their top undercover agents in the DEA. As a special undercover DEA agent, he would be traveling around the globe, which explains why there are many "Elvis sightings" around the world.[/u]
During his entertainment days, Elvis would travel using fictitious names such as Col. James Burrows, Al Jefferies and others. Their have been photos of men traveling around the country, appearing on stage, and involved in drug and Mafia arrests that have gone by the names that Elvis used when publicly performing.
The mysteriousness of his "death" is good for Elvis so he can maintain his secret undercover identity and still be seen in public.
In a very recent interview, a source that must remain anomoyus, said, "I saw Elvis in the mall exiting the J. Crew store. He was carrying large bags full of clothes and was traveling with some kids that seemed 'undesireable' and may be drug dealers or users". The clues that leave no doubt that Elvis did not die on August 16, 1977, are endless and rock solid proof that he is working undercover for the federal government. elvis_/
Hmmmm. If I believe MJ's situation is similar to this, I would say Murray is working undercover too as was said by someone else on this thread. Maybe the only difference between what Elvis did and what MJ is doing, is that MJ is making it bigger, better and HIGH TECH to reach the universe. "He thinks planets." So, the movie theory comes into play as well. Quoting Back: "it's not a comeback, it's a TAKEOVER." Game Over indeed.
There could be a real trial because of a sting (it just won't be Murray on trial when it finally comes around. And with the help MJ has given authorities, they agree to some things he wants to do as in GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH and the continual success of all his projects he's delayed at least since 2001. He's unfolding it with spiritual numbers he started planning long ago... Thanks to hoaxland, there's been an audience and a witness every step of the way. I bow/ to you, MJ.
Ah, back to thinking and working through these thoughts. This I know for sure: THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
Oh yeah, I wanted to add this as proof that a sting would protect a famous man's assets:
Suspected Bootleg Operation Uncovered
August 02, 2010
In a major sting operation in Los Angeles, Elvis Presley Enterprises (EPE) has filed charges and is actively working with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department who have recently conducted raids and have uncovered a major bootleg and fraudulent product operations of unauthorized Elvis Presley merchandise. Further details cannot be released at this time due to the ongoing investigation, but EPE is making it very clear that be it back room businesses, suburban garages, or via the Internet, they will not tolerate the gross and illegal abuse of the name, image and likeness of Elvis Presley.
Hey SoldierofLove. Great stuff. MJ is claiming all that is rightfully his (to include HIS GOOD NAME). Most of his adult life, he has had some shady characters around him, but I don't think it was all of his fault. I think at one time, someone did shoot him up with a drug/Morphine/Demoral for evil purposes. Someone may have tried to hook him to drugs in the past. Someone may have put in the press that MJ had a prescription drug problem that in reality they created. And when we hear his parents and sisters and brothers say it, it may be because he did indeed develop this problem on his own back then (I don't believe he is a drug addict) or it could mean that someone(s) else tried to make him into a drug addict, and this is their (family's) sly way of saying that back then when this happened, it was forced on MJ and not something he did for pain.
Plus, certain powers that be can plant all of the drug related stories they want. When they want someone to die of a heart attack, they sometimes say that he/she committed suicide, but in actuality, they were suicided. It may turn out to be that MJ was at one time shot up with demoral having to do with mind control and MK Ultra based nefarious undertakings. This is may haps what it all ties into. Plus, on the old board, I brought up the fact that if in fact there were supposedly all of these prescriptions being written in MJ's name didn't mean that someone around him (crooked bodyguard types) and/or others were faking his signature (if that story was true at all). May haps in the past when he was under mind control, they commanded that he write his signature on this or that document. They messed with MJ all the way round back then.
Plus don't forget, I think that he could have been cloned and/or had doubles that looked just like him. One of his clones/doubles could be mentioned below. I keep thinking about what his father had to say. They all are busting at the seams in wanting to get the real truth out. There were many people that worked overtime to make the REAL Michael Joe Jackson look bad, drag, sad et al, for their evil agendas and purposes.
If one were to research it, they'd find that just like they are doing with this Osama thing, they may be doing with Tiger, Oprah (some say she is mind-controlled) and many others in the entertainment industry. I know many have, but have some others ever wondered why these athletes get so much money (promised so much) for playing a GAME? Football, basketball, baseball, soccor, et al is big business. Do some of these people ever wonder where this money is coming from? Let's take a look at this. This one just got 60 million to sign with North Carolina. Oprah is worth over 1 billion. These athletes (entertainment types too) are supposedly worth up to 100 million, etc. IT IS JUST MONOPOLY MONEY. IT IS FIAT MONEY. IT IS PAPER MONEY. IT IS FAKE MONEY. IT IS WORTHLESS.
The dollar is suppose to be based on the Gold Standard. So in essence, not one of these wealthy people to include Trump, Gates, et al can go into a bank and say, I want my dollars turned into GOLD (out of Africa). That is what is so sad with a lot of these so-called wealthy people. They don't think for themselves. They aren't rich in wisdom, because if they were, they would know that the US is bankrupt, the gold at Fort Knox is fake, and they can't get Gold coins for their millions of dollars that are on the books. They are being scammed, but many don't care as long as they can live what they call the good life. Please don't get me wrong, some do care and some know just what is happening. They also know that when they speak to their God, they tell Him that they think they deserve to be compensated for their good works and contributions to whatever field or industry - because they are honest and good people with hearts filled with love. It's not their fault that the world's financial system is based on fraud. Some of us knew what JFK was trying to do in bringing the coins back and disbanding the federal reserve.
And if what some say is true, they want to chip us to control us more, and therefore if we don't get that vaccine the nationalist doctor wants to give us, and if we get too out of line, and if we speak ill of the government, they can turn a switch and we'll be no more, because they would have activated the cease to resist and exist switch thru our chips.
Like MJ said, "Fame, Fortune, they are all illusions." In other words, our man knows the truth. He knows that for him and others that are wealthy on paper, doesn't equate to the reality. They just have one gigantic CREDIT/DEBIT card. Some are saying that soon, all of us will be forced to carry a card for all of our needs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Standard_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Standard_Act)
From Wiki.
"Weight and drug addictionChanges to his face were, in part, due to periods of significant weight loss.[27] Jackson became slimmer in the early 1980s because of a change in diet and a desire for "a dancer's body".[16] By 1984, Jackson had lost 20 pounds (9.1 kg), bringing his weight to 105 pounds (48 kg) on a 5 foot 9 (1.75 m) frame, the slimmest he had ever been as an adult.[28] Witnesses reported that Jackson was often dizzy and speculated that he was suffering from anorexia nervosa.[28] Following accusations of child molestation in 1993, Jackson stopped eating, losing even more weight.[29] In late 1995, Jackson was rushed to a hospital after collapsing during rehearsals for a televised performance (which was subsequently cancelled); a non-related writer claims that the incident was caused by a stress-related panic attack,[30] while medics cited irregular beats, gastro-intestinal inflammation, dehydration, and kidney and liver irregularities.
[31] in none of these hospitalizations, including this one, did medics find drugs in Jackson's system.[32][33] The BBC reported that during his 2005 trial, the singer again suffered from stress-related illnesses and severe weight loss.[34]
A biographer claims that in 1993, the entertainer admitted taking painkillers, Valium, Xanax and Ativan to deal with the stress of the child sexual abuse allegations made against him,[35] while Jackson himself does not mention sedatives and states that painkillers actually were prescribed to soothe excruciating pain that he was suffering after recent reconstructive surgery on his scalp.[36] A few months after the allegations became news, Jackson had lost approximately 10 pounds (4.5 kg) in weight and had stopped eating.[29] In a court deposition unrelated to alleged child abuse, Jackson was visibly drowsy, lacked concentration and repeatedly slurred while speaking. He could not remember the dates of his prior album releases or names of people he had worked with. It took him several minutes to name some of his recent albums."
Wow! MJ has been thru a lot. Hopefully, he will come out on top.
Hi Souza. Sorry for going off topic. I will try to reform. penguin/
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Souza, please delete my extra posts. I never got confirmation that it took initially. Sorry.
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I know some are sick of me saying this but, did we not hear MJ mention doctor Murray in his Smooth Criminal video? What does it mean? When you access the lyrics, they are not there, but I know what I heard him sing in video, and many others heard the same thing. Is it an illusion? It doesn't make sense for it not to be a message from MJ. The song was on his album Bad, and ON the VIDEO is when we hear it and see him. O-BEE's lyrics in - All Around the World - "I'm a radio monster and a video beast." Sorry Omer, but you are not a radio monster or video beast. Now why would MJ use those two words? MONSTER/BEAST My God!
I still say that since MJ hoaxed his death, then it most likely would have been a "hoax court." I wondered if a trial would ever take place myself. Didn't someone research once and showed that when people made films, they at times receive permission to rent/utilize public buildings? I thought they also showed where they could make a rented room look like a real room (i.e. - courtroom or courthouse). In movies we see on the big screen or on TV, one sees actors walking up to buildings with signs that read as if they were real (San Malachi Courthouse - The Book of Malachi). Matlock (the detective) comes to mind. Perry Mason, et al. Doesn't some City, County and State officials allow these Hollywood types to use real buildings at times?
And speaking of Doc Murray, Lol, I don't think that he is a real doctor. At one time, he wasn't even known to be the attending official until two days later (it was Thome-Thome). Even when Jermaine the announcement, we didn't know the doc's name. One pic until................? And on and on. His video pleading his case was too Michaelish. Many of his so-called patients on his attorney website are people noted in history for something and have passed. He was on the beach with a lady that was also with PP&B in Hawaii last year. Lol
And last but not least, please give me a break, but there is no way that just the Doc would be charged. They charged Howard Stern and a doctor for Anna Nicole, and on and on. The Jackson would have raised holy terror if MJ had really passed. I don't care what Jermaine tweets, because he is just keeping with the illusion. I don't think Mj went to the airport. Remember that picture with MJ and Blanket getting off of an airplane. That probably was taken before 6-25-09. Remember in the Jackson Family Dynasty, Jermaine makes a big production of having this recurring dream that MJ was trying to get a message to him, so they go to FL (?) to what, ask MJ to speak to them thru a seance? Lol
I think this is a ARG/Documentary/Thriller II production. Of course, when MJ comes back, he'll look similar to a scene from video below, but he will also have serious a message to share with the world. It may be July when he busts a move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PP ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PPKX4&feature=related)
It's Her, great post, and I agree 100%. The below video is not for the faint of heart, so please don't watch. I cried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMyc7suUM0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMyc7suUM0)
It's BS.
Thank you, :) Peacock7, I cried, too. The actual SEEing of "the sport of utter humiliation", literally stunned me. Very disheartening that Stern, especially, got away free. Perhaps what comes around goes BACK around, and he'll get stung yet with his own modus operandi.
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Thank you Mr. Airport.
Haha! That's funny! :lol: And yes, I wouldn't put to much weight into that...
Btw.. Doesn't Itsneverasitseems sound familiar to you guys?? :?
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Itsneverasitseems, your posts are making a lot of sense, im agreeing with everything you write. Especially about the delay of the trial, numerology has played a very big role in this hoax, as explained by TS. So, I'm really curious about your answer. When do you think bam will be and why? I believe it will fit in with numerology, of course it will.
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Itsneverasitseems wrote:
If anyone here was charged with murder, do you REALLY think it would take 2 YEARS for it to go to trial?
NO.
Prime example.....
June 12, 1994 Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman are stabbed to death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caylee_Anthony_homicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caylee_Anthony_homicide)
Caylee Marie Anthony (August 9, 2005 – c. June 16, 2008) was an American toddler who disappeared in June 2008 and was subsequently discovered dead, attracting national attention. Her mother, Casey Anthony, was indicted on October 14, 2008, and is in jail with a trial set for May 2011. Casey, her lawyers, and her family maintain that she did not harm her child and that she is innocent of all charges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Anth ... ey_Anthony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Anthony#Casey_Anthony)
Will Casey Anthony's Murder Trial Be Delayed?
http://www.wftv.com/news/27777709/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/27777709/detail.html)
Posted: 4:58 pm EDT May 4, 2011
Updated: 5:28 pm EDT May 4, 2011
ORLANDO, Fla. -- An order came down on Wednesday, involving the possible delay of Casey Anthony's murder trial. The public may have to wait an extra 48 hours to find out when the trial will start.
The latest order came from a panel of judges who are deciding whether a petition filed by media outlets, that do not include WFTV, have a right to know before the trial, where the jury will come from.
Casey's trial date was set for May 9, but now, it's up in the air.
The Fifth District Court of Appeal panel is giving Chief Judge Belvin Perry, prosecutors, defense lawyers and the State Attorney General until Friday morning at 10:00am, to weigh in on the media outlet's challenge.
The three Fifth District Court of Appeal judges deciding whether a media challenge will delay Casey's murder trial are Jacqueline Griffin, Kerry Evander and William Palmer.
WFTV was told they were considering the matter on Wednesday afternoon, behind closed doors. A "2 to 1" or unanimous vote carries.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said the conservative makeup of that panel indicates to him that the news organizations wanting to force the immediate disclosure of the secret jury selection location will lose.
"They, like Judge Perry, are going to be more concerned with Casey Anthony's right to a fair trial than the right of early disclosure to the news media," Sheaffer said.
Perry is concerned that the probable flood of publicity that would wash over that county would taint the jury pool there and make a May, 2011 fair trial impossible.
Almost three years into the case, he's concerned about lost witnesses and lost memories.
"Memories are not like fine wine, they don't get better with age, do they?" Perry said.
If the Fifth DCA panel sides with Perry, Sheaffer said it would be based on sound reasoning.
A petition to the Florida Supreme Court would stand an even lesser chance.
WFTV was told there will be a Fifth DCA ruling. The issue will not just drop.
If there's no opinion or explanation accompanying that ruling, that would be the end of it; no Supreme Court review. Perry also has to decide if some never-before-used scientific air test evidence will be used against Casey.
typing/ rr/
TS_comments wrote:
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation).
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation?
Yes I do believe this to be the case. However I also think that there is more than one person and entities that are under scrutiny and focus of the sting operation. I say it is a sting court.
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Itsneverasitseems wrote:
If anyone here was charged with murder, do you REALLY think it would take 2 YEARS for it to go to trial?
NO.
Prime example.....
June 12, 1994 Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman are stabbed to death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caylee_Anthony_homicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caylee_Anthony_homicide)
Caylee Marie Anthony (August 9, 2005 – c. June 16, 2008) was an American toddler who disappeared in June 2008 and was subsequently discovered dead, attracting national attention. Her mother, Casey Anthony, was indicted on October 14, 2008, and is in jail with a trial set for May 2011. Casey, her lawyers, and her family maintain that she did not harm her child and that she is innocent of all charges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Anth ... ey_Anthony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Anthony#Casey_Anthony)
Will Casey Anthony's Murder Trial Be Delayed?
http://www.wftv.com/news/27777709/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/27777709/detail.html)
Posted: 4:58 pm EDT May 4, 2011
Updated: 5:28 pm EDT May 4, 2011
ORLANDO, Fla. -- An order came down on Wednesday, involving the possible delay of Casey Anthony's murder trial. The public may have to wait an extra 48 hours to find out when the trial will start.
The latest order came from a panel of judges who are deciding whether a petition filed by media outlets, that do not include WFTV, have a right to know before the trial, where the jury will come from.
Casey's trial date was set for May 9, but now, it's up in the air.
The Fifth District Court of Appeal panel is giving Chief Judge Belvin Perry, prosecutors, defense lawyers and the State Attorney General until Friday morning at 10:00am, to weigh in on the media outlet's challenge.
The three Fifth District Court of Appeal judges deciding whether a media challenge will delay Casey's murder trial are Jacqueline Griffin, Kerry Evander and William Palmer.
WFTV was told they were considering the matter on Wednesday afternoon, behind closed doors. A "2 to 1" or unanimous vote carries.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said the conservative makeup of that panel indicates to him that the news organizations wanting to force the immediate disclosure of the secret jury selection location will lose.
"They, like Judge Perry, are going to be more concerned with Casey Anthony's right to a fair trial than the right of early disclosure to the news media," Sheaffer said.
Perry is concerned that the probable flood of publicity that would wash over that county would taint the jury pool there and make a May, 2011 fair trial impossible.
Almost three years into the case, he's concerned about lost witnesses and lost memories.
"Memories are not like fine wine, they don't get better with age, do they?" Perry said.
If the Fifth DCA panel sides with Perry, Sheaffer said it would be based on sound reasoning.
A petition to the Florida Supreme Court would stand an even lesser chance.
WFTV was told there will be a Fifth DCA ruling. The issue will not just drop.
If there's no opinion or explanation accompanying that ruling, that would be the end of it; no Supreme Court review. Perry also has to decide if some never-before-used scientific air test evidence will be used against Casey.
typing/ rr/
TS_comments wrote:
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation).
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation?
Yes I do believe this to be the case. However I also think that there is more than one person and entities that are under scrutiny and focus of the sting operation. I say it is a sting court.
I agree, and that would explain the delay as well...Something else is happening as we speak. Dont be suprised if the Judge is changed at the last minute too
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Hi everyone,I came across this case on a site called “law.com California” and it involved Judge Michael Pastor.
http://www.law.com/regionals/ca/opinion ... 8656.shtml (http://www.law.com/regionals/ca/opinions/supremecourt/appeal00/b148656.shtml)
This is probably one of many such cases. So it has me leaning toward the court sting theory as well. I don’t like to post such long posts, but in case anyone has trouble with the link, here it is.
"Cite as 01 C.D.O.S. 5526
THE PEOPLE, Petitioner,
v.
THE SUPERIOR COURT OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY, Respondent;
RODRIGO ALBERTO JIMENEZ, Real Party in Interest.
No. B148656
In the Court of Appeal of the State of California
Second Appellate District
Division One
(Super. Ct. No. BA207717)
ORIGINAL PROCEEDING; Petition for a Writ of Mandate, Stephen E. O' Neil, Judge. Granted.
COUNSEL
Steve Cooley, District Attorney, George M. Palmer, Head Deputy District Attorney, and Brent Riggs, Deputy District Attorney, for Petitioner.
Michael P. Judge, Public Defender, Judith Greenberg, Mark Harvis and John Hamilton Scott, Deputy Public Defenders, for Real Party in Interest.
No appearance for Respondent.
Filed June 28, 2001
When a defendant' s motion to suppress evidence has been granted and the action against him dismissed and then refiled, the defendant' s subsequent motion to suppress evidence "shall be heard by the same judge who granted the motion at the first hearing if the judge is available." (Pen. Code, § 1538.5, subd. (p).) The question in this case is this: If a peremptory challenge is filed in the second action to disqualify the judge who granted the motion in the first action (Code Civ. Proc., § 170.6), is the judge "available" to hear the second suppression motion? Our answer is no.[FOOTNOTE 1]
BACKGROUND
In April 2000, Rodrigo Alberto Jimenez was charged by felony complaint with one count of possessing cocaine. In August, Jimenez' s motion to suppress the cocaine was granted (Hon. Michael E. Pastor) and the case was dismissed. In October, a second felony complaint was filed charging Jimenez with the same offense based on the same incident. Jimenez again moved to suppress the cocaine. The motion was set for hearing before the Honorable Marlene Kristovich but was transferred to Judge Pastor and set for hearing on February 6, 2001. On January 19, the People filed a peremptory challenge against Judge Pastor (§ 170.6) and the case was transferred back to Judge Kristovich. When Jimenez appeared in Judge Pastor' s court on February 6, he learned (for the first time) that the People had filed a peremptory challenge. On February 6, Judge Kristovich transferred the case back to Judge Pastor. Judge Pastor reminded the parties that he had been disqualified and transferred the case back to Judge Kristovich. On February 7, at Jimenez' s request, Judge Kristovich continued the hearing on the suppression motion to March 6.
On February 13, Jimenez filed a petition for a writ of mandate in the superior court, alleging that he was entitled to have his suppression motion heard by Judge Pastor. On February 26, in the absence of both sides and without first requesting opposition from the People, the superior court (Hon. Stephen P. O' Neil) granted the petition, issued a writ of mandate, and ordered Judge Pastor to hear Jimenez' s motion to suppress.
The People then filed a petition for a writ of mandate in our court, asking us to command Judge O' Neil to vacate his order of February 26 and to issue a new order denying Jimenez' s superior court petition. We stayed proceedings in the trial court, issued an order to show cause, set a briefing schedule, and set the matter for hearing.
DISCUSSION
In a series of related arguments, the People contend the effect of Judge Pastor' s disqualification may be reviewed by us but not by another trial judge (that is, that Judge O' Neil had no jurisdiction to determine the effect of Judge Pastor' s disqualification); that Judge O' Neil should have solicited opposition before he issued a writ; and that, notwithstanding the general rule that a second motion to suppress should be heard by the judge who granted the first motion, Judge Pastor is disqualified from presiding over any part of this case and thus cannot hear Jimenez' s pending motion. We agree.[FOOTNOTE 2]
I.
We agree with the People that Judge O' Neil had no jurisdiction to determine the validity or effect of the peremptory challenge. By its plain language, section 170.3, subdivision (d), provides that "[t]he determination of the question of the disqualification of a judge is not an appealable order and may be reviewed only by a writ of mandate from the appropriate court of appeal . . . ." (Italics added; see also People v. Hull (1991) 1 Cal.4th 266, 268-275; People v. Webb (1993) 6 Cal.4th 494, 522-523; Curle v. Superior Court (2001) 24 Cal.4th 1057, 1063.)
Although Jimenez filed a petition within 10 days after notice of Judge Pastor' s disqualification, he did not file it in the Court of Appeal and he did not attack the ruling on the peremptory challenge. Instead, he claimed in his superior court petition that, notwithstanding the peremptory challenge, subdivision (p) of section 1538.5 gives him the right to have Judge Pastor hear the suppression motion and that, to the extent this might be inconsistent with the effect of a peremptory challenge, the Penal Code trumps the Code of Civil Procedure. As explained below, Jimenez is wrong. Leaving that point to one side, Jimenez' s characterization of his superior court petition as one based on section 1538.5 cannot confer jurisdiction on the superior court to make an order that it has no jurisdiction to make. Since any decision about Judge Pastor' s ability to preside over Jimenez' s case is necessarily a determination about the effect of the People' s peremptory challenge, it is a determination that Judge O' Neil had no jurisdiction to make.[FOOTNOTE 3]
II.
Jimenez contends his right to have Judge Pastor hear his second motion to suppress necessarily means that, at least as to that motion, the People' s peremptory challenge is irrelevant. We disagree.
A.
As relevant, subdivision (p) of section 1538.5 provides that if "a defendant' s motion to . . . suppress evidence in a felony matter has been granted twice, the people may not file a new complaint . . . in order to relitigate the motion or relitigate the matter de novo at a special hearing in the superior court . . . unless the people discover additional evidence relating to the motion that was not reasonably discoverable at the time of the second suppression hearing. Relitigation of the motion shall be heard by the same judge who granted the motion at the first hearing if the judge is available." (Italics added.) The italicized language applies to all relitigation of the suppression motion, "not just to suppression motions which have been heard two times." (Soil v. Superior Court (1997) 55 Cal.App.4th 872, 880.)
B.
Once a peremptory challenge has been timely filed, the challenged judge is no longer "available" in that case. (§ 170.6, subd. (1) [upon acceptance of a peremptory challenge, the judge may not try any civil or criminal action or hear any matter therein].) The things that a disqualified judge may do are specifically enumerated in section 170.4, subdivision (a) -- and they do not include ruling on a motion to suppress.[FOOTNOTE 4] Any question about matters not mentioned in subdivision (a) is resolved by subdivision (d) of section 170.4: "Except as provided in this section, a disqualified judge shall have no power to act in any proceeding after his or her disqualification or after the filing of a statement of disqualification until the question of his or her disqualification has been determined." (Italics added.) In our view, the italicized language is about as clear as any legislative mandate could be. (Paredes v. Superior Court (1999) 77 Cal.App.4th 24, 35 [we must give effect to the plain meaning of the statute].)
C.
Section 1538.5, subdivision (p), is entirely consistent with sections 170.4 and 170.6. Subdivision (p) of section 1538.5 plainly contemplates situations where a judge will be unavailable to hear a second or third motion to suppress (§ 1538.5, subd. (p) ["if the judge is available" ]), and there is nothing in section 1538.5 to suggest a legislative intent to distinguish between disqualification by peremptory challenge on the one hand, and disqualification by death, disability or retirement on the other. We can' t think of any reason to make such a distinction, and Jimenez offers no suggestions -- he simply asserts without authority that, "- bviously, Judge Pastor was ' available' to hear the motion, since the motion was calendared in his court, but then transferred due to the People' s challenge."
We appreciate Jimenez' s concerns about prosecutorial forum shopping, and agree with our colleagues in Division Two that subdivision (p) was added to section 1538.5 to remedy that very problem (Soil v. Superior Court, supra, 55 Cal.App.4th at p. 880). If (under the circumstances of this case) the Legislature intended a different definition of "available" than suggested by the plain language of the statute, the Legislature can easily clarify its position by amending either section 170.4, subdivision (a), or section 1538.5, subdivision (p).[FOOTNOTE 5] Unless and until that is done, the plain language of the statutes compels the conclusion that a disqualified judge is not "available" to hear a second or subsequent suppression motion.[FOOTNOTE 6]
It follows that the People are entitled to the relief sought.
DISPOSITION
The petition is granted; a peremptory writ shall issue to direct the trial court to vacate its order granting Jimenez' s petition and to enter a new order transferring this case to a judge other than Judge Pastor. Our order to show cause is discharged and our stay order is dissolved.
VOGEL (MIRIAM A.), J.
We concur: SPENCER, P.J., and ORTEGA, J.
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FN1. All references to section 1538.5 are to that section of the Penal Code; all other undesignated section references are to the Code of Civil Procedure.
FN2. Jimenez contends our order to show cause is ineffective because it was "signed by only a single justice of this court [and a] single justice of this court does not have authority to issue an Order to Show Cause . . . ." He is mistaken. An order to show cause is not case-dispositive. It is nothing more than notice to the parties that the court has decided to address the merits of the petition; it is a notice of the dates for filing further papers and of the date for oral argument. For that reason, an order to show cause is issued by the Clerk of the court and is merely initialed by one justice. Although an alternative writ constitutes a determination that the petitioner has satisfied the prerequisites to writ review, and although an alternative writ may by its terms suggest to the trial court that it ought to change its order (Eisenberg, Horvitz & Wiener, Cal. Practice Guide: Civil Appeals & Writs (2000) Writs, § 15.151 et seq.; 6 Witkin & Epstein, Cal. Criminal Law (3d ed. 2000) Criminal Writs, § § 69, 89, 98), an order to show cause is nothing more than the appellate equivalent of a clerk' s notice of hearing. And where, as here, an order to show cause is accompanied by an order staying further proceedings in the trial court, it does not permit (let alone encourage) the lower court to change its order pending our review of the merits of the petition.
FN3. There is one other procedural point. Absent exceptional circumstances, a court that has jurisdiction to issue a writ cannot do so in the first instance unless it has received or solicited opposition from the party or parties adversely affected. (Palma v. U.S. Industrial Fasteners, Inc. (1984) 36 Cal.3d 171, 178-180; Lewis v. Superior Court (1999) 19 Cal.4th 1232, 1239-1241.) Moreover, it is only when the petitioner' s entitlement to relief is so obvious that no purpose could reasonably be served by plenary consideration of the issue that a writ should issue in the first instance and without a hearing. (Alexander v. Superior Court (1993) 5 Cal.4th 1218, 1223.) If Judge O' Neil had jurisdiction to rule on Jimenez' s petition, he should have solicited opposition and held a hearing. Since he had no jurisdiction, these points are moot.
FN4. A disqualified judge may: take action or issue any order necessary to maintain the court' s jurisdiction pending reassignment of the case; request another judge agreed upon by the parties to sit and act in the disqualified judge' s place; hear and determine purely default matters; issue an order for possession prior to judgment in eminent domain proceedings; set proceedings for trial or hearing; and conduct settlement conferences. (§ 170.4, subd. (a).)
FN5. Of course, that opens another can of worms. What happens when the judge who rules on the first suppression motion is thereafter disqualified for cause (§ 170.1) instead of by whim (§ 170.6)? What happens if (after the first case is dismissed) the defendant hires a new lawyer who is related to the judge who heard the first motion? (See § 170.1, subd. (a)(5) [a judge is disqualified if a lawyer or a spouse of a lawyer in the proceeding is the spouse, former spouse, child, sibling, or parent of the judge or judge' s spouse or if such person is associated in the private practice of law with a lawyer in the proceeding].) We could go on, but we think we' ve made the point.
FN6. As Jimenez concedes, Judge O' Neil' s reliance on People v. Gallegos (1997) 54 Cal.App.4th 252, 266-268, was misplaced. Although the prosecutor had attempted to challenge the trial judge in Gallegos, the challenge was not allowed and the second suppression motion was heard by the same judge who heard the first motion. On appeal, the appellant complained that a 1993 amendment to subdivision (j) of section 1538.5 was unconstitutional because it provides that, under specified circumstances, the ruling granting a motion to suppress is not binding when the case is refiled and the motion renewed. (§ 1538.5, subd. (j); People v. Gallegos, supra, 54 Cal.App.4th at p. 261.) At the end of a lengthy discussion confirming the constitutionality of the amended statute, the Gallegos court mentions, in passing, that the appellant' s second "motion was heard by the same judge who granted his earlier motion, as required by section 1538.5, subdivision (p). The same would be true as to defendants in general. Appellant received a full and complete hearing on his motion to suppress, which is all that due process requires." (People v. Gallegos, supra, 54 Cal.App.4th at p. 268.) Plainly, the Gallegos court did not consider the issue raised in our case, and we therefore treat Gallegos as inapposite. (People v. Mazurette (2001) 24 Cal.4th 789, 797 [a case is not authority for a proposition it has not considered].)"
Based on all that Michael has been put through, I can see him being approached and asked to participate in such a sting, and based on the same I can see him agreeing!! "V"
Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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onthewingsoflove ..i also found that on another site as well and posted the link, so I guess we are on the right track..
I knew this had to be big..its never really happened before....A JUDGE being JUDGED by jury...we have Mj and the FBI to thank for that...and of course Murray.
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0 (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0) ... board.html
Have you seen this video about the corruption in the LA court system ??
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onthewingsoflove ..i also found that on another site as well and posted the link, so I guess we are on the right track..
I knew this had to be big..its never really happened before....A JUDGE being JUDGED by jury...we have Mj and the FBI to thank for that...and of course Murray.
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0 (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0) ... board.html
Have you seen this video about the corruption in the LA court system ??
The page doesn't exist.
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Thank you Mr. Airport.
Haha! That's funny! :lol: And yes, I wouldn't put to much weight into that...
Btw.. Doesn't Itsneverasitseems sound familiar to you guys?? :?
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lolol/
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JERMAINE SAID THIS ON TWITTER
i have compassion for those whose denial misinforms them, but this increasing hoax talk is wrong and helps no-one. love you all
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Reply Retweet . it saddens me to read tweets that believe Michael is still alive. He is not. Pls stop hurting yourselves with this false belief
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Reply Retweet . I hadn't wished to address this, because I find it hard to accept that people think this way, but...
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I think we have the answer once and for all.
I think not albino/
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JERMAINE SAID THIS ON TWITTER
i have compassion for those whose denial misinforms them, but this increasing hoax talk is wrong and helps no-one. love you all
5 minutes ago via web
Reply Retweet . it saddens me to read tweets that believe Michael is still alive. He is not. Pls stop hurting yourselves with this false belief
17 minutes ago via web
Reply Retweet . I hadn't wished to address this, because I find it hard to accept that people think this way, but...
20 minutes ago via web
I think we have the answer once and for all.
I think not albino/
I think that we are alone... again! pale/
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Can we please get back on topic? Jermaine's tweets can be discussed in the Twitter thread. To remind you all, here is the original topic:
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It’s time for another level. 8-)
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation). Some have already proposed this possibility, while others have summarily dismissed it. As always, please do not dismiss any theory until it has been thoroughly debunked. And whatever theory you personally believe, try to debunk your own theory; many hoax investigators are still not doing this.
In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS :lol: ), etc.
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
Although there are endless minor variations within these two main coherent theories, for the purpose of this level we are only examining two basic theories: the court is in on the hoax, or the court is not in on the hoax (other than the defense, and maybe a few other key people). For the sake of discussion, we can refer to these two theories as “hoax court” and “sting court”.
In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
Even though level three is still unresolved, yet we can and should start investigating level four (The Sting). Actually, level three and four are closely related—so much so that if we get a clear answer to level four, then level three will probably be easy to resolve (and vice versa).
To be more specific: if it’s hoax court, then there would be little if any need to use a corpse; but if it is sting court, then the corpse theory has a strong case. This would not only reduce the people who would need to be in on it, but it would also allow witnesses to testify truthfully in real court under oath (both witnesses who are in on it, and those who are not).
It has been suggested that this would constitute entrapment; but sting versus entrapment does not depend on using a dummy versus a corpse. It would be possible to use a dummy, and still qualify as entrapment, if the job was done so airtight that nobody could figure it out. On the other hand: it would be possible to use a corpse, and not qualify as entrapment, as long as there are plenty of clues and evidence that MJ is still alive. If the hoax forums can figure out that MJ is alive, when most of the members are not even professional investigators, then what excuse would the LA prosecution have for not figuring it out?
Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose. Just bring into this thread discussion and evidence related to the focus of The Sting, and especially whether it is hoax court or sting court.
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Ok...
I believe that TS already gave the answer subliminally.
A scorpion in the beginning of the post and some statements he made. I believe it is a sting, but the more complicated is whether the focus. Must be a great number of people, considering that this began for many years ... start with the mafia organized against Michael in 1993 or perhaps sooner. Tom Sneddom has to be one of the targets.
My question is: in 2005 all took place in Santa Maria and Santa Barbara. The court in LA can work against them anyway?
mj_bad/
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by bec wrote:
Wow
Maybe Murray is the FBI agent. Man of a thousand faces, no clear history, no clear records, never seen unless he wants to be...
Murry working undercover as MJs doctor to expose... what or who? No idea but it would answer a lot of questions about Murray's background or lack thereof.
There's been a lot of stories about Murray with women, usually much younger, and who seem to be aspiring dancers, actresses, etc. What would he possibly be working on in conjunction with these young women to expose/catch/convict?
Just kicking it out there.
Ps. thanks Paula for reminding us about the charge of manslaughter itself, I had forgotten this. For those who only skimmed or even skipped her article that she posted, the short version is: the actual charge that Murray is in the system as being on trial for, as it is written and recorded in those official records heartphantom posted earlier, do not exist in the California Penal Code. It's not a real, legitimate charge at all. Good reminder, I knew there were more reasons why I know court is a hoax court, it's just been so long I forgot some of them. This is a great thread because it will compile this information in one place. Court is not as real as it appears!
Pps. But what is real? We were kicking this around earlier too. What exactly constitutes real? If court is a physical event taking place does that by itself make it real? Or is reality defined by real defense of a real accused by a real complaint filed by the real DA with real prosecutors assigned to the case with the express purpose of proving the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a real judge? Because when I say hoax court I do define it as the former but not as the later.
if this is the first "alleged" murderer who is treated like a celebrity. And at the arraignment on 08 February 2010, no media were persente, is this a normal situation? :?:
or that day the court was not decorated with some toys? :lol:
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No I didn't mean it like that. No one forces people to participate in TIAI threads. Those of us who want to, do it of our own accord. People have free choice to participate or to choose not to. There has always been controversy surrounding the mystery and motives of TS. We have a thread here on the board specificly for that. And this latest flare up is small potatoes in comparison to previous bumps in the road. Previous collective tantrums have not resulted in demands being met or addressed. And much to his credit, ridicule and peoples opinions have neither diverted him from his direction and plan. He must have rhinoscerous skin. But as for us, today specificly we are tired our emotions have had a jolt with the prospect of a lengthy delay in the trial start, but we will settle ourselves again and find our composure. This I believe.
Now I had better add my view on the trial so as to at least appear to stick to topic
Trial is a hoax trial. The questionare for the jury was too crazy to be real. And has anybody ever seen a mug picture of Murray? If there was one I'm sure TMZ would have posted it. They do those sort of things.
And for the record. TS, I remember saying for you to take as long as you like in a previous thread but somehow I wasn't expecting this long. However I am here for the l-o-n-g haul.
It is not only about the trial delay. I made this post before the trial delay happened.
In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
TS, I've been following you and making comments on all of these threads. I have a huge respect for you but I do not see a progress or conclusion in any of your threads like you stated.
In level one, you say that we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. But I do remember that we talked about the possibilities about where and when it could have been taken. We never got to a conclusion like it was taken in advance. You are saying it right now. ALSO what happened to the leaf pattern inside of the ambulance? We discussed a lot about it but where's the conclusion?
In level two, you say that we found at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax. Where did we come to this conclusion? You were the one who suggested us that the FBI's possible involvement and again you are the one who is saying us that a couple of FBI agents are helping the hoax. How do we know it if you didn't say it to us? We didn't get to that conclusion in our discussion.
In level three, you say that we made progress. IF creating irrational theories and talking about if the bushes outside of the house changed is a progress, then yes we did lots of progress! Other than that, everyone stated their opinion and most of them were entitled to their opinions. How do we know which one is the right one? If there is no conclusion, why do we start discussing about it? What's the purpose? And as I wrote above, I do not see any conclusions on those threads like you stated and some of the things we discussed about are left behind without any mention about them like the leaf pattern.
I will be still stating my opinion about the trial and keep reading the posts and I do hope that we get to a conclusion at the end of it. Blessings.
I do not see any progress or conclusion at these threads. What happened to the leaf pattern issue that we discussed for pages? Why anyone is asking about this? I still stated my opinion about the trial and I'm not going to repeat myself but I do know that people will start to chase their own tails over and over and this will be named as a "progress". Yes, nobody forced us to read TS' posts and I do appreciate all the info he has given to us. But after some point, it started to look like a distraction tactic to me. And I see that many people who were not forced to read TS' posts started to feel the same like me. And afterall, I do not think that it hurts someone to be sure that TS has genuine information about the hoax. You can be calm and ok for another year or years with the hoax but personally my patience is almost over like most of the others. If Michael is not going to come back, I want to go back to my hoax free life. I'm tired, I'm frustrated, I'm disappointed. I've had migraine in the last 2 years and the headache is killing me. I do not need to count what the hoax has done to me psychologically I think. This lasted so so long and we're all so tired. Well at least most of us. I want it to end and I want to see Michael happy and healthy. And after 2 years I think we deserve an unfold on TS' mystery and his mysterious identity.
I never thought TS was in insider,nor Michael nor any of the family member. He or she is just a person like you and I, who has more knowledge of law.. I have been reading his posts, he sends us investigating we never really concluded anything, only speculations. I am a very positive person, but I am starting to agree with Purelove and the rest, it does not mean I lost faith NO Way, but i feel this hoax is taking most of my time, and I have better things to do. I am a psychologist, and when I have time in between my patients, I am here reading posts to see if Michael is back. Do you find this normal behaviour? NO.. talking as a psychologist NO this is not normal. I feel that the trial has been moved due to the fact Michael wanted it this way. Bin Landen mystrious death may have been the cause, who knows? One thing I DO NOT REGRET is I made friends with a lot of you people all over the world and it is amazing, well some ate my head time to time but it's all is good. I love everyone in this forum. When I read that some of you are going crazy and depressed again, that is not good. That's why i wrote on a thread, please do something else with your life, life goes on, and life is beautiful.. Do things that makes you happy. If Michael comes back in 10 yrs from now, he is fine, but you are getting sick over Michael , he does not want that. Just enjoy your life. I will have to go back to work now, my patient awaits for me lolol/ time is money !!!! lolol/
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when if first saw that scorpion i thought about the idea of how a scorpion is supposed to sometimes be so overzealous about the kill that he will often kill himself in the process. so i was thinking that with the 2005 situation that is what they managed to do was hang themselves. problem is when i looked this up it said that is a myth that the venom doesn't have the same effect on them or their kind. pale/ sorry maybe i just wasted space but that's where my head went. ( by the way i can hear all of you who think my head is just always wastin' space) confused/ ;)
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does anyone else think this trial was moving right alone until folks started to ask for the footage as evidence? just a thought
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Could the lawyers be the focus of the sting :? ?
Just saying that because in 1993 Michael was advised by the lawyers to settle the case, in his disadvantage, maybe the lawyers were corrupted to persuade MJ to settle.
Anyway, it looks like the sting is focused on the court - but I don't know if it's the judge, the lawyers or the prosecution.
But there's a problem with this: if the court is the focus, why the case is delayed so much? It doesn't make sense.
I don't think it is normal a sting to last for so long.
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OK, if I think the trial is taking too long, maybe we have a hoax court, the trial being a distraction for those who are the real focus of the sting, for one reason or another those who are the real focus have to believe Michael is dead, that's why we're having a trial, so there would be no doubt Michael is dead.
But this theory places the sting focus persons outside the court, so who could they be?
Branca and the Estate lawyers? Drug dealers? I feel we don't have enough information to be able to tell who they are.
Anyway, I think it's safe to tell that for the sting to succed, it is essential they must believe Michael is dead.
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This is the link that didn't open.......due to the forum being down for a while, I could not post it any sooner..
February 28, 2011
(Original date)
The following is the federal criminal-civil rights Complaint that was filed in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles, CA against Superior Court judge Michael Pastor and the Medical Board of California (MBC) on January 24, 2011. The Complaint speaks for itself, but I believe it demonstrates why judge Pastor cannot preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial without violating Murray's constitutional due process and other rights. If the U.S. Constitution has any meaning at all, and if judge Pastor and the Superior Court of California has any respect at all for the Constitution, there must be a new judge assigned to preside over Dr. Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial in March, in order to protect, inter alia, Murray's right to a fair trial.
But then again, who and what is fair in the court system. The attorney's are controlled by the Government, not their clients
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... board.html (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/02/judge-michael-pastor-and-medical-board.html)
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Could the lawyers be the focus of the sting :? ?
Just saying that because in 1993 Michael was advised by the lawyers to settle the case, in his disadvantage, maybe the lawyers were corrupted to persuade MJ to settle.
Anyway, it looks like the sting is focused on the court - but I don't know if it's the judge, the lawyers or the prosecution.
But there's a problem with this: if the court is the focus, why the case is delayed so much? It doesn't make sense.
I don't think it is normal a sting to last for so long.
I think sting's go as long as they need to...maybe it is taking to long because they are trying to catch them, whoever they are, in the act...maybe they don't have proof and this is the proof they need...maybe the delayed trial is how the FBI will get them.
For example if it is someone like Thome or Klien, they aren't necessarily involved in the court, only in providing testimony...and that testimony can be used against them and that could be how the FBI will get them.
Maybe Thome or Klien knew beforehand that this would be a set up (sting court) -because maybe they know MJ is alive- and so the FBI couldn't get evidence or proof, then the FBI chose to use Michael Pastor as a diversion since he is being investigated anyway, because doesn't it seem odd to have Michael Pastor as the Judge of a HIGH PROFILE TRIAL while STILL being INVESTIGATED.
So now that the trial has been delayed and if it is someone like Thome or Klien the FBI is after, then they must be somehow scrambling to cover themselves (like something they are doing now...I don't know what exactly though) and when the trial does come it can't be used against them.
So the evidence might come after trial delay up to before the trial is supposed to start...I guess the FBI is waiting for them to make their move and catch them in the act.
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I have to say this puzzle about the focus of the sting is the most difficult one.
TS we could use some hints bow/
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This is the link that didn't open.......due to the forum being down for a while, I could not post it any sooner..
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/02/judge-michael-pastor-and-medical-board.html
There's much hear-say in that complaint, much citing of news agencies and internet sources and "I believe".
If this complaint would go "thru" and not get rejected by court, this would only prove that hear-say, internet and media do have a meaning in court comparable to true evidence - which would itself prove that the court does not stick to court rules and law.
This would again prove that Michael's trial - comparable to the now formulated complaints - was (except for its outcome by the jury's decision) not following court rules and law.
If the complaint would not go "thru" and would be rejected by court, the reasons and kind of rejection would be important to determine whether the judge would ride deeper into the rabbit hole of not sticking to existing law or whether verified reasons for rejection are being used.
So either way, as to this complaint I think we face a sting which makes it at least a double sting project.
In the meantime, I'm seeing this (well orchestrated):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/3127576050_8eece6bab2.jpg)
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A double sting project? What do you mean Grace?
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TS dear, we're stuck. Evaluation time?
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peacock7 wrote: And speaking of Doc Murray, Lol, I don't think that he is a real doctor. At one time, he wasn't even known to be the attending official until two days later (it was Thome-Thome). Even when Jermaine the announcement, we didn't know the doc's name. One pic until................? And on and on. His video pleading his case was too Michaelish. Many of his so-called patients on his attorney website are people noted in history for something and have passed. He was on the beach with a lady that was also with PP&B in Hawaii last year. Lol
I also believe that Murray was not a physician and are saying from the first day,.. by God that doctor does not know how to do a resuscitation cardio pulmonary?
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I think it's possible that the trial is a combination of a hoax court and a sting court.
A hoax court because there are key players in that court room who are obviously in on it - Murray (duh), the defense, and possibly the judge.
A sting court as well because of the FBI's involvement, the hearings/trial are happening so the "death" appears legitimate and also so that "legally" no one gets in trouble for staging a hoax court, as it was deemed necessary by the FBI.
Who is the target(s) of the sting? Maybe certain people in the medical industry - shady doctors who prescribe whatever their celebrity clients want even though they don't need it and maybe certain pharmacies that hand out these meds like candy (like Applied Pharmacy in Vegas that was shut down). And like others have mentioned, maybe there were people in Michael's life who were trying to hook him on drugs to control him.
I like SoldierofLOVE's post on the MJ/Elvis drug parallels. I think there is something there - both appeared to be drug addicts but weren't. Both fake their deaths and maybe help the FBI get the drug situation under control. Or something.
Those are some thoughts I've had so far, I have more but my friend is picking me in 5 minutes so I must dash.
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This is a great link to read......So I say "a multi purpose sting". There are many levels in the justice system that are corrupt...from the Judges, the FBI and even attorney's. All these people can be "bought" if the price is right.
http://www.forgottenamericans.org/Judic ... uption.htm (http://www.forgottenamericans.org/JudicialCorruption.htm)
Los Angeles County Judicial System Corruption
Why should we have to pay taxes on the judicial branch of our government that is totally corrupt and racist against Black-Americans-Only!
Criminal Courts Building
Los Angeles, California
There seems to be no end of the corruption in the LA judicial system! The lawyers, judges, the BAR association and the Commission on judicial performance!
Our law enforcement, judicial system and Government are totally corrupt!!!
They all act like they are above the law! Like they are GOD! That is insulting to me because it is obvious that they are too stupid to be GOD!I blame the Fascist Bush Regime and Uncle Tom Bradley's Cabin!
I have been involved in court cases in the Los Angeles judicial system, Pasadena, Inglewood and Culver City. Mostly what I see are white or Hispanic judges and lawyers with Hispanics working in the courts. There are usually all white juries with some foreigners or all Hispanic juries. Even the public defenders are usually white or some kind of foreigner. I have seen Mexican prosecutors that can barely speak English in the Criminal Courts Building in Downtown Los Angeles. It has been my personal experience that the judges are dishonest and act like they are above the law. When you complain to the so-called governing organizations they will do nothing or say that judges have complete immunity. They especially seem to “gang” up on you if you complain of racism! The same has been true of the public defenders I have had. They will tell you stupid lies and try to intimidate you into allowing them to do nothing to defend you! If you do not know anything about the law they will railroad you into jail. The judicial system in Los Angeles County is totally corrupt and there is very little justice if any at all. This is especially true for Black Americans that can not afford good legal representation.
It is an established fact that most poor people can not even get access to the judicial system because they can not afford a good lawyer. Our judicial system is basically a judicial extortion system. There should be some kind of funding system for these high priced lawyers that people of low income can access. We have medical insurance, we have car insurance, how come we do not have insurance for the legal system? I have been a member of the pre-paid programs. During one case I was involved in several years ago, I called an attorney in their pre-paid system and asked him about his fees. He wanted about Fifteen thousand dollars to handle my case! I said that I am a member of the pre-paid program. He stated that this price was a 35% discount!
How do you get an all white jury in Los Angeles County where the population is about 90% Hispanic? Why do we have foreigners on our juries that have questionable citizenship status and can barely speak English? How come I have never seen an all black jury? Do you think that Steve Cooley could get a conviction of a Hispanic LAPD “Frito Bandito” cop that guns down a Black American youth in an act of terrorism directed at Black Americans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmNsZ5iJ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmNsZ5iJyaI&feature=related)
[youtube:21vvzz3l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmNsZ5iJyaI&feature=related[/youtube:21vvzz3l]
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onthewingsoflove ..i also found that on another site as well and posted the link, so I guess we are on the right track..
I knew this had to be big..its never really happened before....A JUDGE being JUDGED by jury...we have Mj and the FBI to thank for that...and of course Murray.
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0 (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0) ... board.html
Have you seen this video about the corruption in the LA court system ??
Hi there, I read the complaint at the link and what a great find! Here's another case at the following link that also involves Judge Pastor that was going on in 2010.
http://www.insidesocal.com/crime&courts ... ls-fo.html (http://www.insidesocal.com/crime&courts/2010/01/breaking-news-no-dismissals-fo.html)
I agree with the phrase "A JUDGE being JUDGED" with one minor change, "JUDGES being JUDGED!" This is too elaborate of a hoax to be aimed at one individual. I feel there is a wolf outside the door who's getting ready to huff and puff and blow the house down!
We all have our own opinions and just as I have stuck to the belief that a corpse was used, I'm sticking with the belief that it is a court sting! So from here I will just wait to see if we have graduated to the next level.
Have we TS? bounce/
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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onthewingsoflove ..i also found that on another site as well and posted the link, so I guess we are on the right track..
I knew this had to be big..its never really happened before....A JUDGE being JUDGED by jury...we have Mj and the FBI to thank for that...and of course Murray.
http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0 (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/2011/0) ... board.html
Have you seen this video about the corruption in the LA court system ??
Hi there, I read the complaint at the link and what a great find! Here's another case at the following link that also involves Judge Pastor that was going on in 2010.
http://www.insidesocal.com/crime&courts ... ls-fo.html (http://www.insidesocal.com/crime&courts/2010/01/breaking-news-no-dismissals-fo.html)
I agree with the phrase "A JUDGE being JUDGED" with one minor change, "JUDGES being JUDGED!" This is too elaborate of a hoax to be aimed at one individual. I feel there is a wolf outside the door who's getting ready to huff and puff and blow the house down!
We all have our own opinions and just as I have stuck to the belief that a corpse was used, I'm sticking with the belief that it is a court sting! So from here I will just wait to see if we have graduated to the next level.
Have we TS? bounce/
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Its not letting me get into the link errrr
Same things happening with my link too http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/ (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/)
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Its not letting me get into the link errrr
Same things happening with my link too http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/ (http://laurackdbray.blogspot.com/)
That's strange. I clicked it and it came right up. But here is the article. It's appears this person was following that trial and this is one of several articles about it.
BREAKING NEWS: No dismissals for Cameron Brown
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Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor refused Cameron Brown's motion to dismiss the first-degree murder charge, and all the lesser offenses included in it. "I believe there should be a third trial in this case, and there will be," Pastor said.
His ruling came after Brown's attorney, Pat Harris, argued that the jury's deadlock of six in favor of second-degree murder and six for involuntary manslaughter meant Brown was acquitted of first-degree murder. Harris, who indicated his firm Geragos & Geragos will likely not remain for the third trial, also argued that "basic fairness" dictates the dismissal for his client who has remained jailed for about six years.
But Deputy District Attorney Craig Hum countered that there was no verdict, and even submitted declarations from six panelists that indicated such, and that one of them actually favored first-degree murder. Hum argued that, as far as fairness goes, it wasn't fair that he murdered 4-year-old Lauren Sarene Key, his daughter, over child support.
Lauren died after going over a Rancho Palos Verdes cliff on Nov. 8, 2000. Prosecutors believe Brown threw or pushed her while the defense claims she slipped by accident. Two juries have deadlocked between first-degree murder, second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter.
Pastor also refused to grant any kind of bail for Brown. Harris said today's rulings will be appealed.
I'll have the complete write-up later at dailybreeze.com
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I see no graduation coming suspicious// ...
could you guys with the links summarize your findings and theories in a few words please rr/ ?
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crash/
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Ginafelicia, I will let you make up your own mind by showing you these videos....this will explain exactly what is going on.....its a big fight, and if anyone had a reason to expose this corruption, it would be Michael, since he too, was a victim of this injustice......GO MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJukyFO ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJukyFOH-g&feature=related)
[youtube:2l4dxhsr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJukyFOH-g&feature=related[/youtube:2l4dxhsr]
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Great post, TS.
But seriously guys.. you've lots of nice ideas but I really doubt TS stands for The Scorpion. That's just the image for the post, when we are discussing a "sting" in here, see?
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One thing that has made me wonder in the original post here by TS......why is it TS capitalized The Sting? If talking about a sting operation....no need to. It made me instantly think of the Paul Newman movie The Sting. It's been years since I've seen it, though I know it's a great movie. Reading through the imdb.com I can sort of see a correlation of storyline....perhaps between James Brown, enabling doctors, Michael and FBI. Or perhaps within the movie the courts are dirty....I need to re-watch it!
Here is the the imdb....can you guys see what I am talking about? In the movie, who would you consider to be the focus, or what type of character...I am a bit stuck with that:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070735/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070735/)
Have a beautiful day!
Blessings
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To the previous post, I've posted about the movie, The Sting, a few times. While the entire film is worth another viewing, you can see a couple of clips here at the bottom of this post: viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=325375#p325375 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=325375#p325375)
The beauty of the ILLUSION is phenomenal. Imagine how MJ could have perfected the illusion by now.
Although not the general focus of my investigating and researching, that'd be great if TS stood for The Sting!
In other news regarding a clue that I think will end up telling us more, I was speaking to someone recently who says that it is not allowable for anyone to wear or purchase FBI gear (hats, shirts, pens, etc.) without official clearance as in you must have some connection to the FBI be it agent, analyst or a member of the citizen's academy. This person I spoke with is someone who has been to a citizen's academy, but they are not employed with FBI so I need verification. He says that these groups have access to the FBI store with a registration number. If you were to go online they'd ask for your reg. number. And, with the citizen's academy you'd never have access to their gear without it saying FBI/ Citizen's Academy on it. Or, if there's generic gear, it is not in official colors which are blue and gold. Marlon's hat is official? I'm gonna find out. You might see generic gear purchased in black/white or some other color but not official colors and not without some other signifier on it (such as Citizen's Academy.) If this is true, and I plan to get this verified officially next week, where'd Marlon get that hat...... OFFICIALLY.... rr/
@peacock. I'm pondering some things you're saying about drugs and MJ. @2good... I'll look at the videos you've posted and think more seriously about the court corruption. Thanks.
There's more I have about Elvis parallels. Later for that. Gotta run. elvis_/ moonwalk_/
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@TS: Your redirect isn't working anymore due to the website migration. I sent you a pm about how I think it could be solved without changing the redirect.
Time to check in anyways, we're fried! lolol/
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I think it's possible that the trial is a combination of a hoax court and a sting court.
A hoax court because there are key players in that court room who are obviously in on it - Murray (duh), the defense, and possibly the judge.
A sting court as well because of the FBI's involvement, the hearings/trial are happening so the "death" appears legitimate and also so that "legally" no one gets in trouble for staging a hoax court, as it was deemed necessary by the FBI.
Who is the target(s) of the sting? Maybe certain people in the medical industry - shady doctors who prescribe whatever their celebrity clients want even though they don't need it and maybe certain pharmacies that hand out these meds like candy (like Applied Pharmacy in Vegas that was shut down). And like others have mentioned, maybe there were people in Michael's life who were trying to hook him on drugs to control him.
I totally agree with you Andrea. The trial can be a combination of a hoax and a sting court. And I've already written in one of my posts that the sting's reason could be about the doctors who give irresponsibly these drugs and the pharmacies who maintain them to the patients. I exactly agree with your post. Makes perfect sense.
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Here we are in a very difficult where all we consider that if the FBI participated in and as said Andrea " I think it's possible that the trial is a combination of a hoax court and a sting court". But where is the evidence, as we could convince a non-believer of all this?
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I think it's possible that the trial is a combination of a hoax court and a sting court.
A hoax court because there are key players in that court room who are obviously in on it - Murray (duh), the defense, and possibly the judge.
A sting court as well because of the FBI's involvement, the hearings/trial are happening so the "death" appears legitimate and also so that "legally" no one gets in trouble for staging a hoax court, as it was deemed necessary by the FBI.
Who is the target(s) of the sting? Maybe certain people in the medical industry - shady doctors who prescribe whatever their celebrity clients want even though they don't need it and maybe certain pharmacies that hand out these meds like candy (like Applied Pharmacy in Vegas that was shut down). And like others have mentioned, maybe there were people in Michael's life who were trying to hook him on drugs to control him.
I totally agree with you Andrea. The trial can be a combination of a hoax and a sting court. And I've already written in one of my posts that the sting's reason could be about the doctors who give irresponsibly these drugs and the pharmacies who maintain them to the patients. I exactly agree with your post. Makes perfect sense.
And I would even go beyond some doctors and pharmacies. A little head's up that I'll be going a little conspiracy-minded here...but here goes.
There are some evil pharmaceutical companies out there whose bottom line is $$. BIG $$. They don't try to cure diseases and conditions, they make it manageable so you are always dependent on their meds and paying dearly for them. Their solutions are to burn, poison, cut and radiate. :? There have been cures for major diseases (like cancer and AIDS) that have been suppressed because if people can be cured, they cannot prolong treatment and keep people paying for it. It's sickening. Pardon the pun. Oh, and they create illness too - a perfect example is swine flu. The patent for the H1N1 vaccine was applied for in 2007 by Baxter (pharm company). How could anyone apply for the swine flu vaccine 2 years before the virus even existed? TMZ did a story on Michael and swine flu back in April 2009. http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/28/jacko-ahe ... swine-flu/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/28/jacko-ahead-of-curve-on-swine-flu/) The FBI investigates everything, including allegations against major pharmaceutical companies and we won't even hear about the actual results of these investigations, if we were to hear about the investigation to begin with.
This sting has MULTIPLE LAYERS, just like the hoax. If anyone knows who is really responsible for killing JFK, Martin Luther King Jr., John Lennon, Princess Di, JFK Jr and many more, it's the FBI. These agents who uncover the truth are more than likely stopped cold from releasing any of this information to the public, just think of Mulder and Scully on the X Files (and that series has so many hoax parallels I can't even begin to tell you that right now). They would discover the truth about a government cover-up but forbidden and threatened from releasing anything to the public.
So think about that while remembering the beginning of the TIAI re-directs. Re-directs on JFK's murder, 9/11, the George cover, V for Vendetta, 2012, among others with certain dates being significant, as well as the numerology involved. If a big part of the reason for this hoax is Michael exposing all the lies that he can about so many things, he can do this confidently with the information the FBI has gathered over the years. And these FBI agents can protect Michael while finally releasing all the evidences they've been wanting to, with the help of Michael's global popularity. And if Elvis is involved in that as well somehow then that would be aces.
But back to the sting court aspect (in combination with hoax court). If we believers are able to figure out that Michael is alive and Murray is innocent, will the prosecution? Do they know already? We know, so entrapment avoided. Another aspect of the sting could be investigating the justice system itself and how innocent-until-proven-guilty people are treated, which has been suggested before.
I believe the hoax, the FBI, and TS/TIAI (and TMZ too) are all closely tied together for several reasons and purposes.
Exposing the truth and the lies about so many things being a big reason.
This thread was posted on May 1st at 11:05 p.m. L.A. time by TS. May 1st being the formation date of the Illuminati in 1776. 11:05 - remember remember the fifth of November. "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." "There's no certainty – only opportunity."
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So, to prove our point, we need concrete evidence...
Is that why Michael decided to make his death so dramatic, and involve a doctor, propofol and drugs ??
Elvis died at home, in his bathroom. There was no-one else involved. But his doctor had to stand trial, and that took a few years. His doctor had his license revoked for years, as he overprescribed medication to not only him, but others. What was that outcome ?? A huge drug bust by the DEA and FBI.. ;)
I'd say the concrete evidence, is that MJ used propofol...a drug thats legal, but illegal to be used outside of a hospital setting.
He needed someone to be put on trial, otherwise nothing would be acheived. We already had the DEA involved from day 1. Many different meds were found in alias names. Would this convince a judge and jurors that MJ was a drug addict (pre-conceived opinion) and let Murray off ??? This is already how to media are portraying MJ..a drug addict. Case closed.....or not......saving the best for last.
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A Must watch series of videos that explain a whole lot. Steve Cooley the Big Boss of the DA's office is exposed by those who have worked with him personally. I believe Steve and the DA's office (all of it) is under scrutiny (focus of the sting) along with all the other systems I have talked about. This is bigger than a few going down or being exposed for the crooks they are.
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515.php (http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515.php)
DISTRICT ATTORNEY CORRUPTION?: TWO VIEWS ON DA COOLEY’S RECORD
Internet exclusive: On Full Disclosure® Video News Blog
Video Preview Time: Preview 7:30 min.
Release Date: May 14, 2008
Los Angeles, CA Is it a co-incidence that it has been almost 20 years, since the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office prosecuted a big dollar, white collar crime? Or could it be there are no more big corruption cases or major crimes committed by powerful and prominent people in Los Angeles?
In a Full Disclosure Network® two-part series Steve Ipsen, President of the Association of Deputy District Attorneys (L. A. County) and Albert Robles, Constitutional Attorney who serves as an elected member of the So. California Water Replenishment Board both contend that corruption is alive and well in Los Angeles County. These two challengers running against Cooley in the June 2008 election, point out that the current DA has refused to prosecute the rich and powerful while successfully lobbying for a $55,000 pay raise bringing his salary to $292,300, making him one of the highest-paid government officials anywhere.
Watch this seven minute preview from the series that is featured on 45 cable systems and the internet. The full two-part programs will be available for viewing (for a limited time up to the election) from the Full Disclosure website from the following links:
Preview (7:30 min)
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515-1.php Segment #1 (8 min)
Candidates provide background on their careers and qualifications. They present a summary of issues for why they are running against the Incumbent DA Steve Cooley
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515-2.php Segment #2 (8 min)
Candidates discuss why Steve Cooley is not participating in the U. S. Department of Justice Gang Initiative and address the following issues:
DA non-action policy on deporting illegal alien gang members
Mexican Drug Cartels in City of Cudahy
Impact of Criminal Defense lobby on DA prosecution policies
DA Cooley's campaign contributions from Criminal Defense lobby
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515-3.php Segment #3 (8 min)
Candidates describe the failures and demoralization of the DA's office, and of DA Investigators as body guards and chauffeurs for questionable personal activities.
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515-4.php Segment #4 (8 min)
Both candidates noted the following:
DA's refusal to prosecute pedophile priests in the Catholic Church
DA's non-prosecution policies of powerful people, i.e. Board of Supervisors
Called DA's pay raise "pay back" for looking the other way.
Ethics Violation: Cooley called Jury members "stupid" following the Blake Verdict
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515-5.php Segment #5 (8 min)
Candidates detail issue where there is Corruption in the DA's office:
Belmont Learning Center scandal
Criminal Defense Attorneys influence
DA disbanded environmental crimes unit
Manipulated cases by transfer of expert Deputies
http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Programs/515-6.php Segment #6 (8 min)
Video disclosure of how DA Investigators were used to conduct an unofficial and unauthorized investigation. Candidates describe DA's failure to investigate MacArthur Park beatings gross negligence at Martin Luther King Hospital.
Challengers Quotes on DA Cooley’s record:
Steve Ipsen:
“The corruption that exists in the county that I'm aware of, that I can state here today is with the District Attorney's office.”
“This DA doesn't deserve to be paid when he isn't doing his job.”
Albert Robles:
“He has refused to prosecute the pedophiles and child molesters that work and still work in the Catholic Church”.
“Steve Cooley takes untold amounts of money from the criminal defense sector”.
This series is to be featured on 45 cable systems starting May 14, 2008. A complete listing of channels and airtimes, by community can be found from this link.
I wrote about the issues I felt were a part of this sting operation back in the thread TIAI April 11 but here it is again since it does apply here regarding some of the WHO the focus of the sting is.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=322491#p322491 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=322491#p322491)
I do believe that one part of the sting operation deals with the drug problems in Hollywood and the over prescribing of meds by the doctors and the pharmecy that issues them.(Mickey Fine Pharmacy) I also believe it has to do with FDA issues and the manufactors of Propofol. Big pharmaceutical manufactors do not care what goes into the drugs or the side effects as long as they make a profit. Tainted medicines are resold all the time in order to dump them and make a profit.
The epidemic outbreak of swine flu made the pharm industry come up with a vaccine and it was almost mandatory to get the vaccine. This is part of the NWO plans to depopulate the world. There are so many commercials on T.V. here in the USA talking about the bad side effects from taking a so called good drug for a medical problem. These commercials talk about if you or a loved one has suffered (whatever) please call so and so office for legal help to sue
TRUTH TV WORLD NEWS-THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE! THEY ARE DUMPING CHEMICALS ON US!
[youtube:ypq7g3i7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMzDThyWXo[/youtube:ypq7g3i7]
Doctors speak out about H1N1 VACCINE DANGERS
[youtube:ypq7g3i7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1K74Tnrrok[/youtube:ypq7g3i7]
Uploaded by 91177info on Oct 22, 2009
Baxter Patent H1N1-
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17458061/Baxt ... pplication (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17458061/Baxter-Vaccine-Patent-Application)
Are vaccines today more dangerous, in some cases, than the diseases? Has something gone wrong with the system or the companies making them? Filmed at the 4th International Public Conference on Vaccinations (sponsored by the Nat'l Vaccine Information Center) in October, 2009, listen to what these health professionals have to say!
Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )
[youtube:ypq7g3i7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs[/youtube:ypq7g3i7]
Uploaded by octomedia on Nov 2, 2006
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html (http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html)
[Video] Bayer Sells AIDS-Infected Drug Banned in U.S. in Europe, Asia - Unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS. Bayer knew about the fact that the drug was tainted and told the FDA to keep things under wraps while they made a profit off of a drug that infected its patients. If these allegations are true, then both Bayer and the FDA are at fault for this catastrophe. FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ''quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,'' according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting
octomedia
Vaccine Information and Awareness sites:
http://thinktwice.com/ (http://thinktwice.com/)
http://www.vaclib.org/ (http://www.vaclib.org/)
Robert Gallo: The Man That Created AIDS
[youtube:ypq7g3i7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxZ7PX8YGI&feature=related[/youtube:ypq7g3i7]
Uploaded by DrLeonardHorowitz on Sep 14, 2007
Where did AIDS come from? Some say it doesn't matter, as long as we find a cure. But what if the man and money that created it, are still spreading it along with lies and half-truths? Watch this clip from In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, to learn where AIDS really originated.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=322744#p322747 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18688&p=322744#p322747)
The way things are now Propofol is an uncontrolled drug and can be obtained very easily by a Dr. who has a liscense and also by a person with a script. The pharmacy in Nevada was distributing Propofol to Murray as if it was no big deal. That is why that pharmacy is now shut down.
The events that have happened since MJ died because of Propofol have been incredible. MJ used himself as bait for a sting operation that far out weighs a cadaver being used in the process. He also used Propofol as the drug of choice so that it would cause great attention to that drug. The Propofol from a manufacture making it was shown to have tainted lot numbers. The manufactures have stopped making it here in the USA. There is a timeline link below that shows how far back some issues started and caused faulty infusion pumps to be recalled.
Quote from my 2nd post in this thread.
I believe that one part of the sting operation deals with the drug problems in Hollywood and the over prescribing of meds by the doctors. I also believe it has to do with FDA issues and the manufactors of Propofol. Big pharmaceuticals manufactors do not care what goes into the drugs or the side effects as long as they make a profit. Tainted medicines are resold all the time in order to dump them and make a profit.
Here is part of it’s ALL for L.O.V.E.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-14/health/jackson.drug.recall_1_generic-version-propofol-lot-number?_s=PM:HEALTH
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-15/health/propofol.dea.jackson_1_diprivan-propofol-drug?_s=PM:HEALTH
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/11/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-search-las-vegas/
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/13/propofol-manufacturer-in-michael-jackson-hospira-pharmacy/
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugShortages/ucm209227.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10769777
http://www.anesthesiazone.com/featured-news-article.aspx?id=31878
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/propofol/propofol_law.shtml
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2009/fr0723.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/MichaelJackson/story?id=8302959
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However, if key people in the FBI are cooperating with LAFD and MJ: then when the truth comes out, all they have to do is show success in catching some public corruption through this process--and all is well that ends well. After all, once again, that is their "top priority among criminal investigations" http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption).
I forgot to add the link I talked about in my last post. See below.
There is a timeline link below that shows how far back some issues started and caused faulty infusion pumps to be recalled.
http://www.dipity.com/timeline/Propofol-Recall/ (http://www.dipity.com/timeline/Propofol-Recall/)
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But back to the sting court aspect (in combination with hoax court). If we believers are able to figure out that Michael is alive and Murray is innocent, will the prosecution? Do they know already? We know, so entrapment avoided. Another aspect of the sting could be investigating the justice system itself and how innocent-until-proven-guilty people are treated, which has been suggested before.
I've been thinking along these lines too, Andrea. I've wondered from the start how much MJ is controlling things regarding the legal proceedings, or if in fact he just set the ball rolling and is watching things play out, same as we are. If one of the reasons for the hoax is to expose corruption and malpractice in the judicial system, what greater malpractice could there be than trying and possibly convicting and sentencing a man for manslaughter when no-one died?
Trouble is, although we think we've figured out MJ is alive - we seem unable to PROVE it, as TS says, with evidence that would stand up in a court of law.
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Time to check in anyways, we're fried! lolol/
Please TS have mercy bow/ bow/ bow/
I'm so glad that people are still trying to figure this out (hoax court or sting court) even during such hard times! Thank you all soooooo much that you didn't get distracted by recent events! bearhug
I feel so stupid when i read your posts people :lol: i'm so far from your level of knowledge, so i'm just reading it all and not posting much in here.
So i think that it's a sting court and i agree with Im_convinced and the rest of people who thinks the same is that this bigger than we could think, it's not just an illusion and a show (even though it's all included as well, Michael is the greatest entertainer in the world!). It's a well planed STING to bite a lot of real bad people!
It's the greatest MASTERPIECE the world will ever see! And i'm sure that it will change our HIStory books forever!
L.O.V.E to all! And thank you once again for all your hard work ! bearhug
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Swine flu was reported to have had its first outbreak in the U.S. in 1976 in Fort Dix, New Jersey (and nowhere else).
The 1976 swine flu outbreak, also known as the swine flu fiasco, or the swine flu debacle, was a strain of H1N1 influenza virus that appeared in 1976. Infections were only detected from January 19 to February 9, and were not found outside Fort Dix. The outbreak is most remembered for the mass immunization that it prompted in the United States. The strain itself killed one person and hospitalized 13. However, side-effects from the vaccine caused five hundred cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome and 25 deaths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak
So the research material was there already since decades and research filing a provisional patent application in 2008 and issueing a patent application in 2009 does not make this matter suspicious at first hand.
I would however question the outbreak in Fort Dix as this is a military installment and it would not be the first time in history that soldiers were abused to their blood. So I would like to know the background to the 1976 outbreak.
That is giving the official version:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol12no01/05-0965.htm
We know about inmates abused as guinea pigs as well as citizens' tests of little or bigger scale.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1274815/military_injecting_prisoners_resulting_pg5.html?cat=17
Why not expect "field studies" amongst military staff before a national roll-out? I wouldn't be surprised.
Famous Mayo Clinic got some minus evaluations as to human experiments as well:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1369018/mayo_clinic_experiments_on_humans_under.html
Let's not forget about developments as to "involuntary detention", "involuntary treatment" and "nurse assisted suicide for depressed persons".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=76713
It all goes hand in hand. Industry, doctors, clinics, judges, police, intelligence, military, finances, politics.
Watch for made-up celebs in LA - how they get into the business, how they get doing what they should, what happens if they don't, where they go and how they come back. MM, ANS, KP, Rih and the list could go on and on.
Corruption of pharma, clinics, entertainment, industry, politics, jurisdiction, jurisprudence and lobbyism is a worldwide sleaze. It starts in accepting "presents" or a "dinner" from a supplier.
There's only two alternatives: either you are in or you're out.
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So, to prove our point, we need concrete evidence...
Is that why Michael decided to make his death so dramatic, and involve a doctor, propofol and drugs ??
Elvis died at home, in his bathroom. There was no-one else involved. But his doctor had to stand trial, and that took a few years. His doctor had his license revoked for years, as he overprescribed medication to not only him, but others. What was that outcome ?? A huge drug bust by the DEA and FBI.. ;)
I'd say the concrete evidence, is that MJ used propofol...a drug thats legal, but illegal to be used outside of a hospital setting.
He needed someone to be put on trial, otherwise nothing would be acheived. We already had the DEA involved from day 1. Many different meds were found in alias names. Would this convince a judge and jurors that MJ was a drug addict (pre-conceived opinion) and let Murray off ??? This is already how to media are portraying MJ..a drug addict. Case closed.....or not......saving the best for last.
:? I think Elvis died in bed, Im sure the in the bathroom was a false story :?
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Time to check in anyways, we're fried! lolol/
Please TS have mercy bow/ bow/ bow/
I'm so glad that people are still trying to figure this out (hoax court or sting court) even during such hard times! Thank you all soooooo much that you didn't get distracted by recent events! bearhug
I feel so stupid when i read your posts people :lol: i'm so far from your level of knowledge, so i'm just reading it all and not posting much in here.
So i think that it's a sting court and i agree with Im_convinced and the rest of people who thinks the same is that this bigger than we could think, it's not just an illusion and a show (even though it's all included as well, Michael is the greatest entertainer in the world!). It's a well planed STING to bite a lot of real bad people!
It's the greatest MASTERPIECE the world will ever see! And i'm sure that it will change our HIStory books forever!
L.O.V.E to all! And thank you once again for all your hard work ! bearhug
Totally not Kristina your smart...
But yes TS were kinda stuck at the moment (http://www.emotionsmsn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/christmas-emoticons-for-msn-06.gif)...we could buy a clue.
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So, to prove our point, we need concrete evidence...
Is that why Michael decided to make his death so dramatic, and involve a doctor, propofol and drugs ??
Elvis died at home, in his bathroom. There was no-one else involved. But his doctor had to stand trial, and that took a few years. His doctor had his license revoked for years, as he overprescribed medication to not only him, but others. What was that outcome ?? A huge drug bust by the DEA and FBI.. ;)
I'd say the concrete evidence, is that MJ used propofol...a drug thats legal, but illegal to be used outside of a hospital setting.
He needed someone to be put on trial, otherwise nothing would be acheived. We already had the DEA involved from day 1. Many different meds were found in alias names. Would this convince a judge and jurors that MJ was a drug addict (pre-conceived opinion) and let Murray off ??? This is already how to media are portraying MJ..a drug addict. Case closed.....or not......saving the best for last.
:? I think Elvis died in bed, Im sure the in the bathroom was a false story :?
Joe Esposito talks about finding Elvis in the bathroom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA)
[youtube:b5zg693f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA[/youtube:b5zg693f]
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So, to prove our point, we need concrete evidence...
Is that why Michael decided to make his death so dramatic, and involve a doctor, propofol and drugs ??
Elvis died at home, in his bathroom. There was no-one else involved. But his doctor had to stand trial, and that took a few years. His doctor had his license revoked for years, as he overprescribed medication to not only him, but others. What was that outcome ?? A huge drug bust by the DEA and FBI.. ;)
I'd say the concrete evidence, is that MJ used propofol...a drug thats legal, but illegal to be used outside of a hospital setting.
He needed someone to be put on trial, otherwise nothing would be acheived. We already had the DEA involved from day 1. Many different meds were found in alias names. Would this convince a judge and jurors that MJ was a drug addict (pre-conceived opinion) and let Murray off ??? This is already how to media are portraying MJ..a drug addict. Case closed.....or not......saving the best for last.
:? I think Elvis died in bed, Im sure the in the bathroom was a false story :?
Joe Esposito talks about finding Elvis in the bathroom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA)
[youtube:3lpu7wro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA[/youtube:3lpu7wro]
Thank you, but I know I read it, just cant find it at the moment. :oops: confused/
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I logged in to talk about something else but seeing the discussion on where Elvis died, I'll include info from the book, The King and Dr. Nick: What Really Happened To Elvis and Me by Dr. George Nichopoulos. Parenthetically, what I really find interesting about the Elvis parallel related to this May 1/TS thread is Elvis' involvement in a sting, not where they say he died. Although, it's not surprising if there's any confusion about that since it was a lie. In any case, here's what Dr. Nick shares:
"Joe Esposito stayed behind to make the official announcement of Elvis's death at a press conference..."
"My son, Dean, insisted he give me a ride back to the hospital for the autopsy. I agreed without argument. I soon discovered Dean had an ulterior motive for his good deed.
Dean was a an enthusiastic fourteen-year-old when I first took him to Graceland at Christmas to meet Elvis and his family. By the time he was nineteen, Dean was a competitive athlete; he taught Elvis and most of his entourage how to play racquetball. Afterward Elvis hired Dean as his aide and to help with security on tour. Dean had been working security at the mansion while I was at the hospital for the emergency. He could hardly wait to get me out of the house to tell me what had been said behind the scenes at Graceland after Elvis was taken away in the ambulance"
"After they returned from the dentist about 1:30 a.m., Elvis went upstairs with Ginger," Dean began. "That's when Elvis called you on the phone. Later he talked with Joe about tour details and met with Dick for about an hour and a half to go over security plans. After he finished his tour business, Elvis called Billy and asked him and Joe to play a game of racquetball with him and Ginger." (Elvis's cousin, Billy: his wife, Joe; and their children lived in a trailer behind the main house at Graceland.)
"When they returned to the house, the maid offered to make him something to eat, but Elvis passed since he was fasting," Dean continued. "She said Elvis looked, 'hot and sweaty.' He told her he just wanted some ice water. Then Ginger, Elvis, and Billy went upstairs. Billy dried Elvis' hair, and when Billy left, Elvis called for Rick. It was about eight o'clock in the morning, and Rick was the aide on duty, but no one could find him. Then Elvis called your office, and you weren't there. He needed some sleep medicine, so he talked with Tish..." "After talking with Elvis, Tish called and told Tommy which medication to give to Delta for Elvis," Dean continued. "then Delta took it upstairs to Elvis with a pitcher of ice water... He still couldn't go to sleep, but Ginger was sleepy. He went into his bathroom to read so the light wouldn't bother her. By then it was close to nine o'clock in the morning. Ginger said she woke up about two in the afternoon and phones her mom. After they talked she hung up and went to check on Elvis. She knocked on his bathroom door, which was partially open. When he didn't answer, she pushed open the door. That's when she found Elvis lying facedown on the carpet....
"Dean was lost in his thoughts for a few moments. Then he pressed, "here's where things went wrong. Our work schedule had Rick on duty until noon, when David was to come to work. So where was Rick this morning when Elvis needed him around eight o'clock? Where was David when Elvis needed him this afternoon? Why weren't either of them at their posts? "Something else is suspcious. The maids said they heard a loud thump from upstairs this afternoon sometime after one o'clock. Ginger said that might have been one of the times she woke up but went back to sleep. You know Elvis must have made a noise when he fell...
"The maids said they thought Elvis was awake. They saw the buttons on the telephone light up a few times; then they heard the shower running in the upstairs bathroom that Elvis' girlfriends use when they are at Graceland. They were also mystified that Ginger was fully dressed, with flawless makeup, when she sounded the alarm for Elvis. She had been sleeping for hours, right? I know firsthand it takes that woman at least an hour to get ready. What do you make of that?"
"The maids said Vernon asked them if they had seen either David or Rick go up or come down the back stairs off the kitchen before or during the time Elvis was upstairs with Ginger. Why would Vernon want to know that? Doesn't that strike you as strange?"
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The direction this thread is going in reminds me of a post I made on 2/7/2010, well over a year ago, in fact before Murray was even "arrested", or pretended to be arrested, so I wanted to repost it here. When I reread my old posts, I realize that time has proven my instincts correct, so I want to offer my very old Pre-Court Murray post to the discussion regarding sting court vs. hoax court, just in case there's something in it from way back that can help move the discussion along.
the murray question
has long bothered me, i think we talked about this before, like theres something we arent getting about murray, he stands for something, his role is important, else why have him? why did michael NEED a doctor or anyone at all to be involved in this hoax?
well i figured it out, with all the media circus this weekend, i figured it out
murray IS michael... not physically but metaphorically
murray is a professional black man fallen from grace, being accused of a horrible crime, outrageous allegations, his private and personal life paraded before the cameras on the evening news for all to see and mock
his child support issues, his debt, his wives and ex's and girlfriend, hes portrayed as incompetent (leaving the room while michael was under to talk to his girlfriend, not calling 911, one armed cpr, etc) the media has convicted him of a crime and proclaimed him guilty before the police even sealed the "crime scene"
remember, the police didnt consider it a crime scene until the media did, days later, family goes in and out etc
meanwhile the tabloids have targeted murray and proclaimed him michael's killer
murrays friends and patients and supporters are small voices in the sea of media bias saying wait, no, its not true, hes a holistic doctor, he doesnt prescribe drugs, he uses vitamins and herbs and holistic approaches
the media calls him dr death and dr feel good, drugs drugs drugs, shady doc, did michael's bidding, provided powerful drugs at will
so, hes painted as something he is not, they sway perception and turn this man into a monster
meanwhile, the LAPD and now the DA are FOLLOWING the media... and feel pressure to bring a case, the MEDIA are the ones who say manslaughter, murder, charges, hes guilty, the feds have ALWAYS followed the media in this case
so, just like in 2005, when, thanks to the FBI files, the DA had ZERO evidence on michael and conspired to create a case on false pretense, to try and bring him down, NOW we have murray
same situation
i think
i think the LAPD and the DA are fighting over this because one entity wants to bring charges that dont exist, because lord knows theres no body and no real evidence at all, and the other doesnt
but they feel pressure, pressure from the MEDIA to bring charges on this guy
so
one entity wants to drop it because they know theres no evidence, shit there isnt even a body, really, not that anyone has really seen, no autopsy, no toxicology, and the other entity wants to simply CREATE a case, create evidence, create charges, JUST to satisfy MEDIA pressure
and i think THIS is EXACTLY what michael KNEW would happen
and i think michael is BETTING that corruption wins out over truth
and michael is BETTING that they will bring charges, EVEN WITHOUT A DEAD PERSON
which, constitutes FRAUD
and PROVES that the entire system is, and i quote michael, "jacked"
tada
this is why he isnt back yet
this is why chernoff keeps suggesting manslaughter, chernoff has been injecting manslaughter into the media rhetoric for months
so, betcha michaels right, corruption WILL win and murray WILL be charged, in a fake case that the DA invented JUST to appease the media, who has been cllammering for this guys head on a stick since 6-25
and then, oh heres the best part,
ok, so theres been some speculation that michael may face litigation for profitting from this, TII, record sales, etc right?
THIS is why michael has kept his nose so clean with 1001 legal loopholes with the DC and the life insurance and paying for the memorial and payng for the burial, security and public safety and the no public viewing and the no RIP or date of death in TII and the legal disclaimer in TII "for entertainment only" etc etc etc
they got NOTHING on him , nothing
and he will have EVERYTHING on them after they charge murray
he cant come back until they charge murray
they MUST charge murray
they MUST
thats why chernoff has such a big mouth
manslaughter manslaughter, he will be charged with manslaughter
Entire post is here: http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2 ... the-truth/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/cuz-the-lie-becomes-the-truth/)
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@bec.....that makes a LOT of sense. Thanks for sharing! I just wish they would get this over with! But I suppose everything has to fall into place for the right outcome......so we shall "keep waitin' and watchin'". rr/
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TS says in his opening paragraph: "We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus."
Not knowing who TS is, does TS believe or know it’s a sting given that he says, “who is the focus of The Sting? He doesn’t ask if there is a sting. That coupled with the image of a scorpion leads me to believe we are being led to this conclusion, but for ourselves we should try to prove it.
And, TS mentions the court system with some elaboration. It’s taken me awhile to wrap my head around that so thanks to those who have provided further discussion. I’ve been more interested in looking at malpractice/drugs and the music industry as the focus of a sting and maybe that’s part of it too, but I now understand the legal system as likely, central to this. We have lots of theories but tend to be in agreement a sting or hoax court would involve the bringing down of a big entity or entitites as it’s focus -- not individuals.
My question is where does Michael himself give us a clue about the courts?
I think back to what was the first recent image we saw of Michael after the 6/25 announcement. It would be MJ at TII rehearsal singing TDCAU. I always thought that was a divine message even when I believed he had died. Of all the things to hear him say after that shocking announcement of his "death"!
I’m sure in other threads this has been discussed before many times, but if we agree that this is a hoax and everything is by design, then the rehearsal footage with TDCAU had to be the first thing he wanted us to understand. And bec's post above could relate to this point as well. But corruption will prevail? That's a very risky move. I suppose this secret witness will be huge mj_bad/
In TDCAU, who doesn’t care about us? It would be something as big as the legal system. He says it:
"Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free..."
And, as we all know, there are two videos for TDCAU one being in a penitentiary. So, MJ is very clear.
And with the controversy of the song, that only the US was most reluctant to even release over the airwaves, Michael explains:
“The idea that these lyrics could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading. The song in fact is about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked. I am the voice of everyone. I am the skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse them.”
So perhaps TDCAU is central to our understanding given the sequence of events. If MJ has planned the hoax, why choose TDCAU as the rehearsal footage? Perhaps this is some aspect of confirmation, (don’t know if I can say evidence), that ties Michael’s goals and The Sting to the legal court system, along with the various youtube videos and documents included herein from members on this forum regarding LA court system. And this ties into Mrs. Jackson's resurging comment that her son is INNOCENT. She wants his name cleared and this trial will do it. So yes, Murray/MJ synonymous in that way as the previous poster says.
What I am grappling with now is whether the FBI would, for this reason, create a hoax court solely for an expose'? That doesn’t seem typical for the FBI to do that without an actual arrest. There is no evidence of the FBI ever involving themselves in an expose that didn’t involve arrests. In that case, The Sting --and the big fish to fry -- would require a great deal of cooperation from several entities. On their website, the FBI talk alot about the various partnerships they must have. My problem with my own thought about this is why hasn’t it happened already? Why delay after delay? You wouldn’t give the crooks you want to catch enough time to figure this all out and hide would you? This is where everything becomes much more risky to me.
Can we talk more about what the delay could help or hinder?
And here's an article interviewing a legal analyst friend of MJ's discussing his thoughts on the purpose/meaning of the Murray trial. This was shared with me by a fellow hoaxer: http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/i ... al-analyst (http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/lasting-impressions/article/interview-with-matt-semino-attorney-and-legal-analyst) [/color]
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Time to check in anyways, we're fried! lolol/
Please TS have mercy bow/ bow/ bow/
I'm so glad that people are still trying to figure this out (hoax court or sting court) even during such hard times! Thank you all soooooo much that you didn't get distracted by recent events! bearhug
I feel so stupid when i read your posts people :lol: i'm so far from your level of knowledge, so i'm just reading it all and not posting much in here.
So i think that it's a sting court and i agree with Im_convinced and the rest of people who thinks the same is that this bigger than we could think, it's not just an illusion and a show (even though it's all included as well, Michael is the greatest entertainer in the world!). It's a well planed STING to bite a lot of real bad people!
It's the greatest MASTERPIECE the world will ever see! And i'm sure that it will change our HIStory books forever!
L.O.V.E to all! And thank you once again for all your hard work ! bearhug
Kristina do not underestimate yourself. I read some of your posts and they were very good. Be positive and assertive. God bless.
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@SoL: Off the top of my head, what it hinders directly is Murray's ability to move on with his life and earn a living and pay for the expense of living and defending himself. Defense asked for 2 weeks, it was said, and they got 4 months because the prosecution wants family time? Meanwhile, Murray has to retain his lawyers for 14 weeks longer then he requested after evoking his right to speedy trial. Now the trial was delayed on his request, but it does seem they used the request to impose a lengthy delay with a lame excuse (family time, seriously? Yes it's wholesome and touching but, show of hands, who else gets to take 6 weeks off their job with pay to hang out with their family?) How's Murray supposed to come up with this money to pay his lawyer(S) for 14 extra weeks? He's going to end up owing over a million $$. His medical license was suspended without any proof that he committed wrong doing, which, if he wanted to, prevents him from making a living in California, compounded by lengthy delay, Murray is really going to suffer for this in my opinion (well, the fictional character Murray is playing in this production is going to suffer, that is).
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Kristina4LOVE, you’re one of the top investigators in this forum in my books. albino/
I appreciate so much all the excellent knowledgable contributors, without which this would be just a chitchat place without much substance for an extremely heavy intensive mystery topic. I hope you guys always feel valued, loved and respected and will stay till the end, whatever that “end” looks like! bearhug
Grace
It all goes hand in hand. Industry, doctors, clinics, judges, police, intelligence, military, finances, politics.
Watch for made-up celebs in LA - how they get into the business, how they get doing what they should, what happens if they don't, where they go and how they come back. MM, ANS, KP, Rih and the list could go on and on.
SoldierofLOVE
I’m sure in other threads this has been discussed before many times, but if we agree that this is a hoax and everything is by design, then the rehearsal footage with TDCAU had to be the first thing he wanted us to understand. And bec's post above could relate to this point as well. But corruption will prevail? That's a very risky move. I suppose this secret witness will be huge
In TDCAU, who doesn’t care about us? It would be something as big as the legal system. He says it:
"Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free..."
And, as we all know, there are two videos for TDCAU one being in a penitentiary. So, MJ is very clear.
And with the controversy of the song, that only the US was most reluctant to even release over the airwaves, Michael explains:
“The idea that these lyrics could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading. The song in fact is about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked. I am the voice of everyone. I am the skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse them.”
So perhaps TDCAU is central to our understanding given the sequence of events. If MJ has planned the hoax, why choose TDCAU as the rehearsal footage? Perhaps this is some aspect of confirmation, (don’t know if I can say evidence), that ties Michael’s goals and The Sting to the legal court system, along with the various youtube videos and documents included herein from members on this forum regarding LA court system. And this ties into Mrs. Jackson's resurging comment that her son is INNOCENT. She wants his name cleared and this trial will do it. So yes, Murray/MJ synonymous in that way as the previous poster says.
What I can't get out of my head is my overall feeling right since the beginning is that this is so much more that just about the legal system, why I struggle with the sting or hoax trial idea TS is wanting us to discuss. The legal system ties in at some higher level into politics which ties in to financial including banks, investing, multi-national companies. I don't for a second think that Tom Sneddon was doing anything without higher authority who chose him for the job because of his bull-dog reputation. I agree the song TDRCAU ties into TPTB and Illuminati/Europe's royals, Israel and more. I find it interesting that at this time on the media they are trying so hard to convince the public that this Bin Ladin that they have "killed" story is authentic, with this cache of videos and personal items of his; at the same time as this hoax proving this MJ death and Murray as a guilty doctor is happening. Perhaps this Murray trial is going to be part of a domino effect with other levels of evil. It all just seems so over the top problematic to me. Apart from God giving the power and authority (which I think is happening), I can't see any real victory happening. So I'll just keep reading, learning and happily being here. respect/
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Thank you all VERY MUCH for your kind words! I L.O.V.E you all very much! bearhug
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We LOVE you too Kristina!! I'm like you I don't post a lot on this thread, but I read every post and all the links and I have learned so much. So thanks everyone. All the theories are great possibilities and I do believe there will be a "domino effect" happen when the truth starts to be revealed. It may start with the Court Case, but I firmly believe it will not end there!
I'm just curious as to how everyone thinks this whole thing will finally end? If this is going to be a "Takeover", who exactly is helping Michael pull this off? There have to be some very powerful people involved....I think that the BAM is going to be bigger then anything we have already imagined! JMO
Sending you all Love a wishing all the Mothers here on the Forum the very Happiest Mother's Day ever!!! God Bless Us all!!! bearhug bearhug bearhug bearhug Hugs all around!! There is one there for you too Michael!! I Love you!!!
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I read everything posted too, and I want to thank everyone for their awesome contributions. Maybe one of the reasons I can't settle on the target or purpose of the sting is because the hoax has many facets and is so encompassing albeit intricate. The hoax has to contain a domino effect as was earlier stated. When I think of MJ's horrific 2005 trial, sneddon comes to mind as well, but he was taking directives from higher up and so it keeps going up the chain through legal and govt corruption, jewish controlled media, banking. This doesn't stop till we get to the top eschalons of the powers that be. Even the start of the hoax directs my thinking along these lines. Michael was SO AWAKE to what is going on that the only way to be put to sleep would be through artificial means. And in so doing, many of us have now woken up and can't ever go back to that pre-hoax slumber of ignorance. Yes, this is the world's wake up call and possibly last chance for one. So dirty doctors? yes. legal and gov't corruption? yes. media payback? yes. And the dominos will keep falling all the way to the source by which time many many people will have woken up and at this time the government will understand that their only purpose is to serve the people they represent. I feel this soon coming change deep inside. I go one step further to say I am impregnated with and committed to this vision, and with the help of faith and foresight, I already see this coming to pass in my minds eye. This is a big hoax. We need to believe that and dream big.
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V for Vendetta
corrupted justice
corrupted media
corrupted doctors and pharmaceutical companies
corrupted law forces
corrupted politicians
tell me who is the first option to be the focus of a sting......
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@MJonmind: I agree.
SoldierofLOVE wrote:What I am grappling with now is whether the FBI would, for this reason, create a hoax court solely for an expose'? That doesn’t seem typical for the FBI to do that without an actual arrest. There is no evidence of the FBI ever involving themselves in an expose that didn’t involve arrests. In that case, The Sting --and the big fish to fry -- would require a great deal of cooperation from several entities. On their website, the FBI talk alot about the various partnerships they must have. My problem with my own thought about this is why hasn’t it happened already? Why delay after delay? You wouldn’t give the crooks you want to catch enough time to figure this all out and hide would you? This is where everything becomes much more risky to me.
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There focus on court system could be central but there's more to the trial than just exposing the legal system. And that's what I was saying about the FBI who wouldn't be involved in this only to expose corruption. They'd be looking to convict criminals. There may be people in the legal system to convict, but I also believe it's much bigger. The domino affect does make sense. Health Care Fraud is an area that FBI focuses on too. Public Corruption is too, of course. I still think physicians and pharmaceuticals is a piece because of Dr. Murray's involvement in the hoax. If this was not the case another scenario could have easily been enacted to relay the hoax.
And, considering posts on this, I think Murray represents something/someone, but not necessarily MJ himself. Eventhough he may be an actor, I think he represents what he's actually portraying -- all the doctors who do not take the Hypocratic Oath seriously and they grossly breach their responsibilities. Perhaps MJ seeks to expose this and the FBI seeks to convict. Imagine how many medical professionals MJ has been in contact with, not just for his own personal needs but it includes what he's watched fellow celebrities endure as well as the children and adults with medical conditions he's visited, taken care of, and sought to support through treatment.
"What can be the certain outcome of a Dr. Murray trial is that the legal system, the medical establishment and the public will begin to address some pressing policy questions. What are the acceptable parameters of the private patient-physician relationship? How can the fraudulent trafficking of potentially lethal pharmaceutical drugs be stopped? Through what institutional mechanisms can proper standards of medical professional ethics and practice be effectively enforced? Michael Jackson would undoubtedly want an element of humanity and positive social change to come from this imperfect storm. That is its simple potential." (From article by Matt Semino, legal analyst.)[/b]
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I love this interview.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MkfLzxMG0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MkfLzxMG0M)
[youtube:2gwo2sy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MkfLzxMG0M[/youtube:2gwo2sy6]
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V for Vendetta
corrupted justice
corrupted media
corrupted doctors and pharmaceutical companies
corrupted law forces
corrupted politicians
tell me who is the first option to be the focus of a sting......
You made me think...we have been so focused that the sting is someone to do with the court because the court case was/is coming up and has been postponed...but the court could be a distraction...I think the court is a hoax, meaning was never going to happen...it's like MJ's death was a hoax because there WAS NO death, and since I think that this is a hoax court, I feel that there WILL BE NO court case.
I think the media wouldn't be part of the sting, it is just a separate thing that MJ is also doing (since there are many reasons for hoaxing his death)
I don't know what it is exactly but I think it has something to do with Thome.
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So, to prove our point, we need concrete evidence...
Is that why Michael decided to make his death so dramatic, and involve a doctor, propofol and drugs ??
Elvis died at home, in his bathroom. There was no-one else involved. But his doctor had to stand trial, and that took a few years. His doctor had his license revoked for years, as he overprescribed medication to not only him, but others. What was that outcome ?? A huge drug bust by the DEA and FBI.. ;)
I'd say the concrete evidence, is that MJ used propofol...a drug thats legal, but illegal to be used outside of a hospital setting.
He needed someone to be put on trial, otherwise nothing would be acheived. We already had the DEA involved from day 1. Many different meds were found in alias names. Would this convince a judge and jurors that MJ was a drug addict (pre-conceived opinion) and let Murray off ??? This is already how to media are portraying MJ..a drug addict. Case closed.....or not......saving the best for last.
:? I think Elvis died in bed, Im sure the in the bathroom was a false story :?
Joe Esposito talks about finding Elvis in the bathroom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA)
[youtube:33pvvjee]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiy7iHuTMA[/youtube:33pvvjee]
Thank you, but I know I read it, just cant find it at the moment. :oops: confused/
Hi there, I was living in Memphis when Elvis' death occurred. My mom still has the newspaper from that day. He was found on the floor in the bathroom, not in the bed. In fact they were first saying that because the carpet in the bathroom was so thick they felt he may have suffocated. Yes, they really said that.
What you might be remembering is the false rumor that got started that said he died while on the toilet, but he didn't he was found on the floor.
It's interesting that this discussion has come up here. I came across an article about this very topic. And what is interesting about the article is they go way back mentioning other famous people in the recording and movie industry who were supposedly killed and why, and the writer makes a Michael and Elvis comparison. Based on what has come up on this forum I think the article is out in left field when it comes to Michael and Elvis! The link to the article is below. I hesitate to post the link because of those who will read it and say "Oh now I think Michael is really dead!" But that said, it does mention some things that have been discussed in this forum, such as persons being killed for their music catalog, the Nation of Islam, and murders of celebrities made to look like suicide by drug overdoses. I hope the link opens for you all.
http://www.dherbs.com/articles/did-eliv ... n-475.html (http://www.dherbs.com/articles/did-elivis-presley-die-of-constipation-475.html)
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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OnTheWingsOfLove, thanks for sharing that article with us. Amazing similarities, and frightening at the same time. I just hope that MJ outsmarted them first. The clues are many, but the answers are too few. God bless
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V for Vendetta
corrupted justice
corrupted media
corrupted doctors and pharmaceutical companies
corrupted law forces
corrupted politicians
tell me who is the first option to be the focus of a sting......
Yeah, Gina.
All of these questions corresponds perfectly to the events of Michael's life.
Who could be the first choice of bite? I do not know.
It makes more sense to be doctors and pharmaceutical companies, perhaps. So I think Murray is an agent.
If is true the story that Michael bought remedies using recipes with names of several people, then this could be the main focus.
But I dunno, this seems to be much more complex than it seems.
So I Keep watching.
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Thank you for the article, Wings. You sort of bring us back to reality with this one. Calibration needed for sure.
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@SoL: Off the top of my head, what it hinders directly is Murray's ability to move on with his life and earn a living and pay for the expense of living and defending himself. Defense asked for 2 weeks, it was said, and they got 4 months because the prosecution wants family time? Meanwhile, Murray has to retain his lawyers for 14 weeks longer then he requested after evoking his right to speedy trial. Now the trial was delayed on his request, but it does seem they used the request to impose a lengthy delay with a lame excuse (family time, seriously? Yes it's wholesome and touching but, show of hands, who else gets to take 6 weeks off their job with pay to hang out with their family?) How's Murray supposed to come up with this money to pay his lawyer(S) for 14 extra weeks? He's going to end up owing over a million $$. His medical license was suspended without any proof that he committed wrong doing, which, if he wanted to, prevents him from making a living in California, compounded by lengthy delay, Murray is really going to suffer for this in my opinion (well, the fictional character Murray is playing in this production is going to suffer, that is).
Dear Bec, lawyers have more clients so you don't have to pay when they are not working for you at that moment, you only have to pay if they are working for excample at the trail in court, or the things they have to gather for the trail.
So i think Murray doesn't have to pay for this delay.
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i remember reading it was believed that Michael had planned this hoax a long long time ago, like back in the 80s or early 90s -dating back to that Dangerous tour autograph that he signed. If this is the case, i don't believe that this is a court sting but rather a court hoax, bc from the early 90s to now seems like a really long time for a sting operation to be planned. just my opinion only though :)
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@SoL: Off the top of my head, what it hinders directly is Murray's ability to move on with his life and earn a living and pay for the expense of living and defending himself. Defense asked for 2 weeks, it was said, and they got 4 months because the prosecution wants family time? Meanwhile, Murray has to retain his lawyers for 14 weeks longer then he requested after evoking his right to speedy trial. Now the trial was delayed on his request, but it does seem they used the request to impose a lengthy delay with a lame excuse (family time, seriously? Yes it's wholesome and touching but, show of hands, who else gets to take 6 weeks off their job with pay to hang out with their family?) How's Murray supposed to come up with this money to pay his lawyer(S) for 14 extra weeks? He's going to end up owing over a million $$. His medical license was suspended without any proof that he committed wrong doing, which, if he wanted to, prevents him from making a living in California, compounded by lengthy delay, Murray is really going to suffer for this in my opinion (well, the fictional character Murray is playing in this production is going to suffer, that is).
Dear Bec, lawyers have more clients so you don't have to pay when they are not working for you at that moment, you only have to pay if they are working for excample at the trail in court, or the things they have to gather for the trail.
So i think Murray doesn't have to pay for this delay.
Thanks for the info bleu eyes.
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It's really my pleasure to gain a little Bec
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Like Michael's rhythms, vocals & lyrics... layers, upon Layers, Upon LAYERS; like an onion.
This is bigger than we know. Snedden retired a few years back so I'm sure he's just one of many fish that's to be caught in a very wide net; and rightfully so. But who or what is at the core of all this madness? suspicious//
Probably the NWO... they seem to have their fingers in everything.
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TS, where are you?
There are 11 pages of discussion, we have no more arguments. You want to punish us? :twisted:
If you have a way for this discussion, show us, please! bow/
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TS puts forward the choice of Hoax v Sting court, but I wonder if it's that cut and dried. Can it be both or neither? I used to think MJ was in control of everything and had been from day one, but now I feel certain the hoax has evolved over the months as events outside his control have taken place.
There may never have been a court case if everyone had caught on to the hoax early on. MJ must have thought of this as a possibility (and that's why I think TS talked about his possible return, plan A maybe, that first Halloween in 2009).
But the world didn't catch on - everyone, media, police etc didn't scream it's a hoax, another of MJ's attention seeking ventures. We, in general, believed it.
So plan B was put into operation - watch and wait as the wheels of the justice system start turning. See how far they will take it. See if/when they start to suspect. See if anyone will voice their suspicions or will they all carry on as if it's a legitimate case? I've said before, someone MUST suspect something's up. And if not, why not? They are supposed to be professional investigators. They can legitimately spend their days studying MJ's death, unlike us who have other jobs to do! Will they take it to trial, conviction and sentencing? Will their malpractice go as far as to send a man to prison for manslaughter when it doesn't take much to find no-one actually died?
This scenario doesn't have to be a sting or a hoax court - just the judicial system running it's (highly dubious) course.
This is why I think Murray's case HAS to play itself out to it's conclusion, whatever that is, before MJ will return. That could even mean Murray gets sent to prison, but I also think the case could be thrown out of court at any time on any of the technicalities that have been discussed here.
I haven't mentioned FBI or people 'in on it', because I don't believe, for the purpose of this post,they are needed.
Just a few thoughts.
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Speaking of LAYERS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj8wNnB_ ... playnext=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj8wNnB_gew&feature=autoplay&list=WL18177B0758FD671F&index=13&playnext=1)
I can not get the videos to embed so you will have to click on the link. Sorry.
AND MORE LAYERS... Talk about Govt. Corruption.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wcc_ezr ... playnext=2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wcc_ezrLI4&feature=autoplay&list=WL18177B0758FD671F&index=13&playnext=2)
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MsTrinity333 wrote:
Like Michael's rhythms, vocals & lyrics... layers, upon Layers, Upon LAYERS; like an onion.
This is bigger than we know. Snedden retired a few years back so I'm sure he's just one of many fish that's to be caught in a very wide net; and rightfully so. But who or what is at the core of all this madness?
Probably the NWO... they seem to have their fingers in everything
In 2005 Michael was acquitted of the 14 charges against him, and became justice and at the same time justice by which the real culprits had no punishment was not.
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MsTrinity333 wrote:
Like Michael's rhythms, vocals & lyrics... layers, upon Layers, Upon LAYERS; like an onion.
This is bigger than we know. Snedden retired a few years back so I'm sure he's just one of many fish that's to be caught in a very wide net; and rightfully so. But who or what is at the core of all this madness?
Probably the NWO... they seem to have their fingers in everything
In 2005 Michael was acquitted of the 14 charges against him, and became justice and at the same time justice by which the real culprits had no punishment was not.
I never said otherwise. But everyone knows Sneddon is DIRTY.
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Hoax court and Sting court, simultaneously.
The Hoax court (trial, hearings, whatever) is standing by, loitering around the courthouse, under pretense of legal red tape, to keep the fiction going and explaining, maybe, Murray's or other agent/posers' presence on court property intermittently, and in case it must be really played out as a diversion, ( :o MICHAEL JACKSON :o :!: ) in order to overshadow, as MJ always does ;) , to affect a sting in another unsuspecting court proceeding.
This, I think, is why the rescheduling, to line up the "misdirection court", the decoy, with the target. No one will suspect the extra security or Federal agents, because of this highly volatile/emotional aspect (high profile victim) of the case. The evildoers will believe themselves to be invisible/untouchable, and maybe, be more daring, as they carry on THEIR dirty business, the same day(s).
I said before, I think Murray is a cop. Federal Agent, planted in MJ's life a couple ? years before D-Day, June 25. 2009.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18190&start=25#p317380 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18190&start=25#p317380)
The pix of the toys in court are for US, I think, to keep us in the loop of what is really going on. I don't think, if any targeted person peeked in, DURING staged Murray hearings, there would be any toys to be found! But, IDK, just answering the OP question.
As for the subject(s) of the sting, they would be those who misunderstood the meaning of "Justice is blind".
Instead of blind to everything BUTthe facts in evidence, they profit from her being $$$$$$$ituationally blind to the TRUTH.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18964&start=175#p328470 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18964&start=175#p328470)
Name your poison:
health professionals drugging free adult Americans, against their wills, to prolong fraudulant medicare and Soc.Sec. "maintenance" payments;
doctors acting as drug pushers both in and outside their office "practices", and arbitrarily facilitating deaths of weaker, "less fit" or "less cooperative" members of society;
or, how about just dirty judges sending innocent men to prison every single day, because they don't like the way they look or where they come from, or their respectful attempts to stand up for themselves, and the Truth. Any small semblance of human free-agent-dignity (daring, by RIGHT, to point out The Truth in THEIR court :o ), is evidence to them, that "this defendant" won't be broken by TPTB, WITHOUT doing a little time in a cage.
Some judges, and way more than you think, actually act as though they believe they are GOD on that bench, because they are pretty much UNTOUCHABLE, and KNOW it.
So...I will be ecstatic, if ANY of these go down hard with a mj_bad/ sting!
Even better, if they are all somehow interconnected, as someone said---a Domino Effect! A clean sweep! :mrgreen: Please, domino THROUGH MY state!!!!! bounce/
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Its her wrote:
Hoax court and Sting court, simultaneously.
The Hoax court (trial, hearings, whatever) is standing by, loitering around the courthouse, under pretense of legal red tape, to keep the fiction going and explaining, maybe, Murray's or other agent/posers' presence on court property intermittently, and in case it must be really played out as a diversion, ( MICHAEL JACKSON ) in order to overshadow, as MJ always does , to affect a sting in another unsuspecting court proceeding.
This, I think, is why the rescheduling, to line up the "misdirection court", the decoy, with the target. No one will suspect the extra security or Federal agents, because of this highly volatile/emotional aspect (high profile victim) of the case. The evildoers will believe themselves to be invisible/untouchable, and maybe, be more daring, as they carry on THEIR dirty business, the same day(s).
I said before, I think Murray is a cop. Federal Agent, planted in MJ's life a couple ? years before D-Day, June 25. 2009.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18190&start=25#p317380
The pix of the toys in court are for US, I think, to keep us in the loop of what is really going on. I don't think, if any targeted person peeked in, DURING staged Murray hearings, there would be any toys to be found! But, IDK, just answering the OP question.
As for the subject(s) of the sting, they would be those who misunderstood the meaning of "Justice is blind".
Instead of blind to everything BUTthe facts in evidence, they profit from her being $$$$$$$ituationally blind to the TRUTH.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18964&start=175#p328470
Name your poison:
health professionals drugging free adult Americans, against their wills, to prolong fraudulant medicare and Soc.Sec. "maintenance" payments;
doctors acting as drug pushers both in and outside their office "practices", and arbitrarily facilitating deaths of weaker, "less fit" or "less cooperative" members of society;
or, how about just dirty judges sending innocent men to prison every single day, because they don't like the way they look or where they come from, or their respectful attempts to stand up for themselves, and the Truth. Any small semblance of human free-agent-dignity (daring, by RIGHT, to point out The Truth in THEIR court ), is evidence to them, that "this defendant" won't be broken by TPTB, WITHOUT doing a little time in a cage.
Some judges, and way more than you think, actually act as though they believe they are GOD on that bench, because they are pretty much UNTOUCHABLE, and KNOW it.
So...I will be ecstatic, if ANY of these go down hard with a sting!
Even better, if they are all somehow interconnected, as someone said---a Domino Effect! A clean sweep! Please, domino THROUGH MY state!!!!!
Tupac Shakur, JDL and 'Hollywood Star Whackers'
by WAYNE MADSEN
The extortion, according to the FBI document, was to further the "social and/or political goals of the Jewish Defense League."
Shakur's killers were never caught and the FBI document appears to indicate that the Los Angeles Field Office of the FBI may have been under political pressure from Washington to not pursue the JDL lead in the assassination of Shakur.
The Los Angeles office requested several extensions to investigate the leads pointing to the JDL extortion scheme. Eazy-E was admitted to Cedars Sinai Medical Center on February 24, 1995 with symptoms believed to be asthma. On March 16, the rapper announced that he had AIDS and ten days later, Eazy-E was dead.
An FBI Los Angeles message to FBI headquarters, dated April 15, 1997, indicates that the JDL extortionists had targeted, in addition to Shakur and Eazy-E, other "victims yet unidentified."
The use of the term "victim" would indicate that other entertainers had also been murdered by the JDL criminal syndicate. The FBI document states that the JDL used physical and psychological intimidation against their targets and in one case a JDL operative stated to a target, "Don't you know who I am. I'm with the JDL."
The FBI Los Angeles office also requested permission to interview Connie Bruck, the author of a July 7, 1997, article in the New Yorker Magazine titled "The Takedown of Tupac."
Movie actor Randy Quaid was hounded and ridiculed over his assertions that there was a group of "Hollywood Whackers" who were trying to extort money from various celebrities and threatening their lives. Ultimately, Quaid and his wife fled to British Columbia, Canada.
The recent FBI documents lend merit to Quaid's description of the group targeting celebrities.
However, given the fact that the criminal operation was that of a Jewish terrorist group and that Hollywood is controlled by a number of wealthy Jewish producers and businessmen, Quaid may have shied away from using the "J" word in his description of the "star whackers."
However, the FBI, according to the recently-released document on Shakur and Eazy-E, apparently had no interest in masking the religious affiliation of the extortion-hit team.
On November 5, 2010, WMR reported: "The Quaids say that Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger, and Chris Penn were all murdered. Randy Quaid also believes his brother, actor Dennis Quaid, with whom he is estranged, is under threat.
"All died of drug cocktails of prescription drugs leading to cardiac arrest. The cardiologist who is related to these cases in Conrad Murray, a police cardiologist who was also Michael Jackson's personal physician at the time of his death. Jackson allegedly died from an overdose of prescription drugs and the Los Angeles Police Department originally treated the singer's death as a homicide . . ."Quaid also believes that actor Robert Blake was set up in the murder of his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley. In 2005, Blake was found not guilty of murdering his wife or of soliciting assistance in her murder. However, Blake was later found civilly liable for his wife's death."
WMR's report also stated: "There are also also suspicions about the 1999 death of director Stanley Kubrick, who died from a reported heart attack in England just four says after he attended a screening of his last movie, "Eyes Wide Shut," with his family and Warner Brothers executives." The movie is about a semi-religious sexual cult that features ritualistic secret orgies attended by members of the New York City wealthy elite who engage in human sacrifices.
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel) ... 182&page=2
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18868&p=325683#p325683 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18868&p=325683#p325683)
I don't know why this man said that... :?
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Well, we know he's not a cardiologist :roll: , as he knew nothing about CPR. Maybe the person(who is it?) stating he was a police cardiologist misunderstood or misspoke. I don't know who was speaking, there. I'm pretty sure Murray's a cop, though.
Sometimes there are police medics on staff, for "tazer" and chemical/ hazmat training and dive team exercises. But, even a medic would know about CPR. I think he's just a plain old detective, with the FBI. He plays a wonderfully inept quack doctor. Let's wait and see what kind of cop he is. ;)
Probably not required to have continuous education in first aid...just keep up with his area of law enforcement investigation, such as tactical logistics or something. "Staging a Sting". Human or drug trafficking. Medicare fraud. Serial killers. Organized crime. Missing children. Various other areas of Corporate or Criminal Justice corruption...etc.
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Paula something about your last quote in your last post is scary. JDL. Michael was accused of being against jewish .......
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Remember, Mike was arrested and tried. Things didn't look good for him, and was only covered by the media, news in a negative light. But he had his day in court and was found Not Guilty. Why? Because the jury were a bunch of screaming MJ fans? HA No! Quite the contrary, actually. Michael was found Not Guilty because he wasn't guilty. There was no evidence, no story that held water. Simple as that. Lets have a little more faith in the US Justice system. CM will have his day in court (if it ever happens :roll: ) and despite how bad it looks on his part, he will be found Not Guilty. I do believe that! If the 'evidence' we have in this hoax is indeed Factual, then Conrad Murray is no more guilty of Manslaughter than my grandmother is.
The troot will prevail :D
And thank you to all of CM's fans err...'supporters'
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You may be right It's Her. I'm not sure who Doc Murray is but we know we heard MJ sing about him in his Smooth Criminal video (Moonwalker), so I don't know.
Let's not forget, who was that couple that busted out the Hollywood Elite that they said was responsible for Brittany Murphy's death (her husband's next) and some others. Remember, the ones that tried to hide in Canada? Remember Mylie Cyrus's father Billy Ray pointed the finger also. Many celebrities know the truth and want to expose it.
They want to expose the drugs (some forced on folks), the mind control and the KILLINGs by some powerbrokers in and around LA. These are sickos. They need to be put out of their misery.
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TS there had been 11 pages of suffering....if 11 means something to you pleeeeeeease come here now lolol/ !!
Please bow/
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t now... I just read all the clues that he has given us and I just believe this is dumb as hell. To be perfectly honest. There are some things that you might think have bits of truth in them but the rest confusing. It's like one thing doens't connect to the other and I'm trying to figure it out but I'm not going to rack my brain on because that's ridiculous...
I'm gonna go and buy some new headphones, go to sleep and try this again later when I think I am up for bullshit riddles... :evil:
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I'm reading all of the things you guys have been writing. Amazing info on this thread. I want to thank all of you for the great investigation you guys are doing. bow/
And I think TS will be writing in his own time. So I think there is no need to ask him to come up and write. 8-)
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I LOOOVE YOUR AVATAR. MMMMMM MICHAEL IS SOOO HOOOT. I WANT TO KISS HIS DUCK MOUTH.
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And I think TS will be writing in his own time. So I think there is no need to ask him to come up and write. 8-)
I agree
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"Our objective is complete freedom, justice and equality by any means necessary." Malcolm X
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respect/ rr/ respect/ rr/ respect/ rr/ respect/
Sting Court!
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I LOOOVE YOUR AVATAR. MMMMMM MICHAEL IS SOOO HOOOT. I WANT TO KISS HIS DUCK MOUTH.
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thank you! bearhug
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gatorgirl277 GiGi
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@halimarashid Hi Halima. Can you confirm/deny Brian's statement that you are Tohme Tohme's cousin/introduced Tohme to your husband? Thanks.
halimarashid Halima Rashid
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@gatorgirl277 I am by no means related to Tohme at all, he is no ken to me. He is Lebanese, I am Afghan @jermjackson5 and I met him together
magicpoetryx Veronica Jackson
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@halimarashid @gatorgirl277 @jermjackson5 Who is Tohme? I have heard many ugly things about him...
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halimarashid Halima Rashid
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@magicpoetryx @gatorgirl277 you are right, Tohme is not a nice guy...
KarlaJorge JUSTICE SEEKER
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@halimarashid @gatorgirl277 Can u tell us why he is not being further investigated and why Jerm refuses to answer our questions re Tohme?
Jermaine Jackson
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@KarlaJorge I'm not refusing to answer Qs about Tohme Tohme. I'm just not doing it via a 140-character medium
@jermjackson5 We'd love for you to speak out at some point about Tohme. Many are concerned he may be a key player in MJ's murder.
So does anyone think Tohme Tohme has anything to do with the sting.
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It's hard to speculate about a character you know nothing about. And we know nothing about Tohme beyond rumor and speculation.
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Where is Tohme anyway? He was scheduled to appear on Larry King Live in 2009 and if my memory isn't failing, the date he was set to show up was November 5th. I don't think we ever heard anything from him after that, he just disappeared.
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Where is Tohme anyway? He was scheduled to appear on Larry King Live in 2009 and if my memory isn't failing, the date he was set to show up was November 5th. I don't think we ever heard anything from him after that, he just disappeared.
The last I heard about Tohme was that he was supposed to testify in the trial because he was a key witness.
http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/ ... z1LyFgeaFf (http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/11/04/p1034498/los-angeles-criminal-attorney-paul-takakjian-representing-michael-jack#ixzz1LyFgeaFf)
According to an article on CNN.com, Dr. Murray's lawyers have argued that Tohme is a critical witness for their strategy to prove Jackson gave himself the fatal dose of anesthesia that led to his death on June 25, 2009. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor has agreed to let the subpoena of Tohme stand because he was Jackson's business manager at the time of his death, though Pastor indicated that he may later consider limiting the subjects on which Tohme would be questioned in the trial.
Dr. Murray's attorneys indicated that Tohme may shed light on the pressure that was placed on Jackson in the months leading to his death. He was preparing for the 50 shows he was to perform for AED Live in London, starting that July. The defense indicated that Tohme had been responsible for negotiating the deal with AEG.
One of Dr. Murray's lawyers, Nareg Gourjian, stated that Tohme had, “intimate knowledge of his (Jackson's) finances, drug use, his habits,” and would therefore be relevant to the case.
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And when TS was asked about whether he could give some info on Tohme's involvement and whereabouts, he promptly said a firm, "No." If we are to discuss if sting or hoax, then Tohme info would help that choice a lot.
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I think we'll be hearing a lot more about/from Tohme before this thing's over.
And when TS was asked about whether he could give some info on Tohme's involvement and whereabouts, he promptly said a firm, "No." If we are to discuss if sting or hoax, then Tohme info would help that choice a lot.
@ MJonmind, can you remember when/where TS said this?
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I think we'll be hearing a lot more about/from Tohme before this thing's over.
And when TS was asked about whether he could give some info on Tohme's involvement and whereabouts, he promptly said a firm, "No." If we are to discuss if sting or hoax, then Tohme info would help that choice a lot.
@ MJonmind, can you remember when/where TS said this?
Jumping in @MJonmind as I was just looking it up! :-)
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=314621#p314621 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=314621#p314621)
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I think we'll be hearing a lot more about/from Tohme before this thing's over.
And when TS was asked about whether he could give some info on Tohme's involvement and whereabouts, he promptly said a firm, "No." If we are to discuss if sting or hoax, then Tohme info would help that choice a lot.
@ MJonmind, can you remember when/where TS said this?
TS,
Are you at liberty to disclose any information on Thome and his involvement-good or bad-in this matter? ...
Thanks
No.
Also, I would like to keep this thread on topic: paramedics, and staged photo done in LAFD #71, or a different ambulance, etc.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=314621#p314621 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=314621#p314621)
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I think we'll be hearing a lot more about/from Tohme before this thing's over.
And when TS was asked about whether he could give some info on Tohme's involvement and whereabouts, he promptly said a firm, "No." If we are to discuss if sting or hoax, then Tohme info would help that choice a lot.
@ MJonmind, can you remember when/where TS said this?
Jumping in @MJonmind as I was just looking it up! :-)
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=314621#p314621 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=314621#p314621)
LOL, you beat me to it.
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Don't get mad, but sometimes old news, is good news. ;)
Dr. Firpo W. Carr "Michael's Murky Murder Mystery? Michael's Murky Murder Mystery?"
Written by Dr. Firpo W. Carr, (Columnist), on 09-24-2009 00:00
Michael's Murky Murder Mystery?
"They're trying to kill me"
Though the media hype has died down around the controversial and mysterious death of Michael Jackson, millions of fans from around the world are still keenly interested in how, why, and who was behind it. Interestingly, if there are indeed shady figures involved-and more than a few, including family members, are convinced of this-these suspects perhaps have overlooked the fact that Michael has scores of admirers in law enforcement agencies spanning the globe. A few of Michael's law enforcement friends, as well as amateur would-be detectives, have contacted me with what they consider to be damning evidence showing that Michael was murdered. La Toya Jackson, Michael's older sister, shared her own thoughts on the matter with Barbara Walters in a 20/20 interview that aired September 11, 2009.
La Toya Talks & Tells: "I knew Michael was surrounded by people that positioned themselves in his life," says La Toya, "positioned themselves to control and take advantage of him. And that's what bothered me more than anything else because I knew something terrible would happen at the end," she told Walters. That's not all. La Toya comes right out and says: "Not to mention the fact that Michael constantly told me, 'La Toya ...if I die...they're going to murder me, they're going to kill me.'" La Toya further reveals in guarded language: "I don't know exactly who. I think there are more players involved than we know. This is just my opinion. This is what I feel. I know what Michael was afraid of ... he was afraid of his life. He would say, 'I'm afraid of my life. I'm afraid they're going to assassinate me. I'm afraid they're going to kill me.'"
Declaration to Dick: Famed activist Dick Gregory called me several weeks ago and revealed that Michael Jackson told him that "they (presumably Michael's business associates) are trying to kill me."
When Michael Called Carr: Way back in 2004 during his trial Michael Jackson called me and said that prosecutors knew that he was innocent of child molestation charges, but pursued this strategy to wrest control of his music catalogue from him. "They're after my Beatles' catalogue," he complained. "They just want my music ...I would never hurt a child, and they know that." I reassured him that I was convinced of his innocence. "I love you," he responded. I pretended not to hear him. So, he said it again. "I love you." I tried to change the subject by returning to my firm belief in his innocence. It didn't work. "I love you," he said for a third time. I finally acquiesced and said, "I love you too Michael," to which he immediately responded most sincerely, "I love you more."
Tormented by Tohme: Michael Jackson was none too pleased with Dr. Tohme Tohme, who is the former brother-in-law of Randy Phillips, CEO of AEG, the company that was sponsoring Michael's tours. In a telephone conversation with and recorded by confidante June Gatlin in September 2008 (apparently Michael wasn't aware he was being recorded), the King of Pop complained about tactics used by Tohme. Several times after having me on his show to talk about Michael's death Geraldo Rivera actually aired the conversation between Michael and Gatlin on August 31, 2009.
Michael: Last time we spoke, you told me to check on Dr. Tohme and I did a complete checking. This guy, he just...he just has ways about him that looks like he's...see what he's done? He's built this divide between me and my representatives and I don't talk to my lawyer, my accountant. I talk to him and he talks to them.
Gatlin: That's not good.
Michael: I know it's not good. I don't like it. I wanna get somebody in there with him that I know and trust. I don't' know what's in my accounts. I don't' know.
Gatlin: Oh! That's not good Michael!
Michael: I know it's not good.
Gatlin: You can't allow somebody to just be in total control of your life.
Michael: I totally agree with that. That's why I'm calling you.
Many of Michael's fans are wondering why the other networks aren't highlighting the fact that Michael was not content-to understate it-with AEG representative Dr. Tohme Tohme. They're wondering why AEG didn't come out criticizing Dr. Conrad Murray, and why AEG allegedly took out drug overdose insurance on Michael.
Suspicious Sony & AEG Guilty?: The following are direct communications from well informed, well placed Michael Jackson fans: "I wanted to share with you some of the information about AEG that I have uncovered. According to their website, AEG Teleworks (an affiliate of AEG) handles production, post-production, off-site production, and telecast services for ABC, CBS, and NBC. This is probably the reason why when anyone states that they believe Michael was murdered or that AEG was conducting shady business, their assertions seem to fall on deaf ears. I have not seen any of the mainstream media outlets besides ABC promoting Barbara Walters' interview with LaToya that is scheduled to air tonight (although it has been known for weeks now that the interview was scheduled to air on September 11th). That's mighty strange considering that anyone who claims Michael was an addict or a 'tortured soul' or 'begged' for drugs gets unlimited airtime. I just wanted to share this information with you. If you are interested in any of the other information that I have uncovered, I would be happy to share that with you as well. Thank you so much for speaking up on Michael's behalf....Please let Michael's family know that they are not fighting this battle by themselves, and that the Body of Christ is covering them in prayer. God bless you!!"
Another informative fan wrote: "If you click on the link that I have posted at the bottom of this message, it will take you to the webpage for Bounce Event Marketing (another affiliate of AEG). One of their specialties is 'high-end music industry events,' and SONY is one of their many clients. So, even though Sony paid millions of dollars for Michael's rehearsal footage for the purposes of turning it into a movie, AEG will still be getting paid indirectly through Bounce Event Marketing. They have their hands in just about everything, don't they?"
Yet another fan reveals that Dr. Tohme is a close personal fried of Tom Barack, chairman of Colony Capital, the company that now owns Neverland; and that Frank Dileo, Michael's former manager, was on the board of Sony Records.
As stories develop rest assured that, God willing, these will be reflected in my column. Why am I doing it? Because of a legal and moral pact between Michael and me. Peace and blessings. Amen.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/node/376383 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/fi/node/376383)
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TS,
Are you at liberty to disclose any information on Thome and his involvement-good or bad-in this matter? ...
Thanks
No.
Also, I would like to keep this thread on topic: paramedics, and staged photo done in LAFD #71, or a different ambulance, etc.
Thanks for the link lilwendy and Souza! That kind of put us in our place didn't it?!!
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Just posting to say I'm still watching. I think we presented some good, quality info to support hoax court and we did it back on pages 1 and 2. Many pages later and my opinion hasn't changed.
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I'm already excited for TIAI June!!!!
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I have in mind what Michael said in the 60 minutes interview...he said it was a big conspiracy....and for me it sounds like it goes way beyond the Los Angeles area...but maybe I'm looking too far. I go for a hoax court serving a sting operation with no dead body used all because of the toys and because I can't imagine that a court can be fooled by the fabricated "evidences" for too long.
TS where are you? No more secrets to share? lolol/
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moonwalk_/
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OK....so I can't get the movie The Sting out of my head. Something dawned on a few minutes ago.......I was puttering around on the piano, playing small miscellaneous riffs. I started playing The Entertainer. I don't know why...I just did. This song is the theme from the movie The Sting. It was originally written by Scott Joplin....an African-American composer from the late 1800's to early 1900's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Joplin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Joplin)
The song was re-done by Marvin Hamlisch for the movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entertainer_(rag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entertainer_(rag))
Interesting enough Sony has the rights to Scott Joplin's music and released an album of his music in 2001:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/piano-rags-sony-r896446 (http://www.allmusic.com/album/piano-rags-sony-r896446)
Where I am going with all this....I have no idea, lol. Perhaps, Sony is the target after all......what is Thome's association with Sony, is there any? I'll dig a little bit more and get back to you typing/
Blessings for a beautiful day!
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Y'all, I still say that MJ is portraying MJ as Thome-Thome and TT is like MJ's ideal character as it pertains to MJ/HIMSELF cleaning up everything around him that has to do with his name, estate and life (MJ's). For instance, check out this from below article. It is almost like MJ is the one that took control of his own dealings in life. I mean it's like MJ is portraying Thome - and what Thome says in below piece is actually what MJ is/was feeling and meant. He meant to take control of his life - and he is doing so GAME OVER TIME. And notice those lips of Thome's. Reminds me of MJ's. Lol
Excerpt from article:
"He has been stung by allegations that he was involved with the Nation of Islam, which he said was untrue.
"I have nothing against anybody," he said, "But I don't know anyone from the Nation of Islam. When I took over Michael Jackson's affairs, I fired some people from the Nation of Islam."
It is known that he is of Lebanese descent. His double name — pronounced toh-MAY' — is not uncommon in the Middle East. But he declined to go into detail about his own life and career other than to say he is a U.S. citizen who was raised in Los Angeles and, "I'm a self-made man. I'm in the world of finance."
"I don't want to talk about me," he said. "I'm a nobody. I'm not important. I want to talk about Michael Jackson."
At times he appeared on the verge of tears as he discussed Jackson's death, saying, "It's unbelievable ... I'm devastated ... God bless his soul."
He said that by talking about Jackson, he was fulfilling one of the star's wishes.
"He always said to me, 'I want people to really know who I am after I'm gone.'"
He would only briefly discuss Jackson's finances. During his time with the superstar, Tohme said, he was paid nothing but was able to negotiate lucrative business deals that would secure the future of Jackson's children. He followed a long line of business managers and spokespeople who had come and gone from Jackson over the years. In the final year, he said he played a pivotal role in turning things around.
His negotiations for Jackson included a Broadway show with the Nederlander organization, an animated TV show based on "Thriller," a line of clothing including "moonwalk shoes," and more. He said he was working with others to renegotiate the terms of Jackson's main assets, his share of the Sony-ATV Music Publishing Catalog — which includes music by the Beatles — and the catalog of Mijac, the company that controls Michael Jackson's own music.
"I am not in the music business. I'm a stranger to this business," Tohme said, noting that he had stiff competition from others who wanted to take over Jackson's finances.
"I built a fence around Michael to keep people out," he said, acknowledging that he cut costs by firing many members of the Jackson staff, including security guards. And he twice fired the children's nanny, Grace Rawaramba, on Jackson's orders.
"I was trying to do what we could to maximize his profits and minimize spending. I wanted to find a way to reel in all the loans he had.
"We had an agreement," Tohme continued. "I would never interfere with his creative decisions and he wouldn't interfere with my business decisions."
Tohme said he abandoned everything he was doing in his own life to concentrate his time and effort on Jackson's affairs. He points with pride to the crown jewel of his and the new Jackson team's efforts: the contract with AEG for concerts at the 02 arena in London.
He said Jackson was looking forward to the concerts because he wanted his children to see him perform.
Like others before him, Tohme was caught up in the excitement of Jackson's world. He traveled with him to London, where they saw the play "Oliver" and were mobbed by fans. "I had never seen fans who loved anyone so much and he loved them just as much," Tohme said.
Tohme uses the title "Dr." and apparently has a medical degree, though there is no record that he has practiced in the United States. He said he was convinced that Jackson was in perfect health the last time he saw him, two days before he died. He said the star kept himself and his children on a healthy diet, never ate red meat, didn't drink and, as far as he knew, never took drugs." (Right here MJ is STATING/TELLING THE WORLD THAT HE NEVER TOOK DRUGS. I hope some can see what I mean. I may not be right, but I don't count anything out with that Brilliant man.
http://www.zimbio.com/Dr+Tohme+Tohme/ar ... hme+breaks (http://www.zimbio.com/Dr+Tohme+Tohme/articles/p7iGOAIfStU/AP+Interview+Jackson+adviser+Tohme+breaks)
And what's up with the below article? MJ is that U?
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/ ... ays_r.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/05/16/2009-05-16_michael_jackson_diagnosed_with_skin_cancer_but_comeback_concerts_still_on_says_r.html)
But you know some are thinking that Thome-Thome and MJ's own brother, Jermaine had MJ killed. I mean really! So does this mean that MJ's entire family is in on it? To include cousins, uncles, aunts and the like? MJ wrote in his book Moonwalker that his mother's sister had 11 or 13 children, and that his father's sister or brother (I forgot which) had 11 or 13. I don't remember which is which now, but that's just the children out of those two. I doubt that his entire brood of relatives would go along with his MAIN family members (mother and father) to have had MJ killed by the mysterious Thome-Thome. lolol/
And then remember his giving the $5.5M back. lolol/
http://www.chocolatecity.cc/2009/07/25/ ... -millions/ (http://www.chocolatecity.cc/2009/07/25/why-was-dr-tohme-secretly-keeping-michael-jackson-millions/)
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In other words, if I am on the right track, MJ planted all things having to do with the mysterious Thome-Thome.
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The Sony question bothered me too ...I don't know what to think.
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I know this may divert from the theme slightly but sort of not. Just thinking about the phone call to June Gatlin, which represents so many many stories and articles similar to LoToya's Barbara Walters interview that indicate Michael had leeches around him and he thought he was going to be murdered. This phone-call single-handedly put TT in everyone's bad books. This is the whole mind-bending, head-banging stuff that is going on with this hoax, namely that MJ could be planting information to set up a looks like conspiracy to murder him. This clip Loyalfan posted on another thread really caught my attention because it confirmed this. Arthur Jafa says basically that MJ had a strategy, a construction, his soft-spoken gentle voice and the whole thing is like shit is just happening, but he is actually driving the whole thing. MJ's voice is normally deeper. He created all this including a lot of the tabloid stuff in his life. And he says Lisa Marie confirmed this, and begged him to stop doing this because it's not working.
I say did MJ tell her to say that, or did she not know at that time but now she does?
Rabbit holes, and worm holes!
This is again part of the reason why I don't think sting and hoax mix very well, like oil and water. I just can't see it.
[youtube:3ukpro6y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZ6FL_fRAk&feature=player_embedded#at=155[/youtube:3ukpro6y]
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I am not sure Sony is the main focus of this Sting. Might be a small part, but not the whole company. He owns half of Sony publishing as far as we know, but I have a feeling he owns more than that. Mottola is a target, I am pretty sure of that. He's not with Sony anymore. Mottola has had Lindsay Lohan under contract and rumor has it that Mottola and Lohan had an affair years ago. When I look at Lindsay's young age and Mottola's creepy face, I don't think that that was an affair, I think he had Lindsay 'under control' so to speak. That could also be why Lindsay is most likely playing a role in all this (I really think the Lohan case is at least partially a hoax), and maybe that is why she gets protection from MJ's bodyguard now. Too many connections between Lindsay and MJ to be a coincidence. I am not sure how this death hoax would expose Mottola, but because I think this sting started way before June 25, it could be that they already have enough on him. Or maybe Lindsay's case has something to do with that, I don't know.
I don't think the LA court is the focus of the sting. I bet there is corruption everywhere in every court, so why pick LA? If you want to make a point with it, pick Santa Barbara, where he was dragged through the mud twice. If it's a sting court, then the only ones NOT in the hoax would be the prosecution. The judge is the one setting the perfect 'hoax-dates' and the defence is with Murray, 'nuff said. But you really can't tell me that the prosecution would not have discovered that MJ isn't dead, no way. Or they have, but are prosecuting Murray anyway. If that would be the case and they would want to lock up a black man who they know is innocent, why only one phony charge? That doesn't make sense.
Also a target must be Sneddon, because I can't believe Mike would let him get away with it. He might not have been the mastermind behind the allegations, but he implemented it. Evil and greedy to the bone, so he MUST be a target.
Diane Demon will probably get her share too. ET online bought that fake picture, and maybe they KNEW it was a fake picture. Ben might have told them he photoshopped it because he couldn't get a clear picture through the window. If that is on tape, Demon is fucked. Either in court or just public humiliation.
Batshit probably gets his share and many others who fucked him over. Don't know how, but that's what I think. I also think some very high profiles are targets, but I think we can only speculate on that. Either time will tell, or TS will spoonfeed us a little lolol/
Today is 5/11. In Europe we write November 5th that way. You posted this thread at 11:05, so new post today?
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In short, these could be just some of the mafia who wanted to ruin the life of Michael forever.
If this is an Sting's operation, these people already should have been prosecuted or arrested. We can not be sure, simply do not have any news about it.
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Souza, seems the last time you said that TS came right away. lolol/ Now I'm expecting him!
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L.A. county is the only county left in Caliland that is still paying extra benefits to judges.
Los Angeles County Judges receive a $178,000 per year salary from the State, $30,000 in health and retirement benefits from the State, and an additional $ 46,379 per year in cash perks from Los Angeles County. According to Fine the Los Angeles judges receive $100,000 more that U. S. Federal District Judges and members of the United States Congress, and $30,000 more than the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, .
http://truthbrigade.org/smf/index.php/topic,3487.0.html
Paul Moyer: Norris says these payments compromise the judges and create a conflict of interest for them. Richard Fine, another local attorney, agrees, and says there are no limits on how the payments are spent..
Richard Fine: The judges can elect to either spend the money for their professional development or to buy county insurance or they can just take the money, put it in their pocket and spend it any way they want.
Paul Moyer: Fine says the payments make local judges among the best-paid in the United States – and cost LA County $21 million a year…this, in a time of budget crisis. But the real scandal, he says, is that judges can pocket the money without having to disclose it to the public.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Are_Local_Judges_Serving_Two_Masters.html
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"We are all here because of him, may that continue with him leading the way" -- Kenny Ortega
[youtube:1te1y4r9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUniG6F_RzY[/youtube:1te1y4r9]
Hope everything is fine TS.
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(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ap_jackson_tl2_ssv.jpg)
recalling the 2005 trial ... the physical and moral damage which was the subject Michael :( :evil:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39511000/jpg/_39511480_203b_handcuffs_ap.jpg)
[youtube:1codnqio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U2m5AhNkQM&feature=player_embedded#at=37[/youtube:1codnqio]
And the garbage of Thomas Sneddon continues declaring that Michael is guilty after the verdict.. sufficient reason to take revenge for all these people, sometimes it is necessary to remember :evil:
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Thanks, that picture i'll use it in another thread.
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I believe that it is good to remember these things.. if at some time we manage to discover all this mess confused/
Michael Jackson Autopsy: AP Reports Jackson Died in Home
October 5, 2009
By LBG1
“I have always believed that if I simply tell the truth, I will be exonerated.â€
Dr. Conrad Murray, August 18, 2009
In a recent article published by the AP, AP Exclusive: Autopsy shocker: Jackson was healthy, not only was Michael Jackson “healthy” at the time of his death, according to the AP, “court documents state” Michael Jackson “died in his rented mansion”:
From the AP:
“Jackson died at his rented Los Angeles mansion June 25 after his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, administered the anesthetic propofol and two other sedatives to get the chronic insomniac to sleep, court documents state. Propofol, normally a surgical anesthetic used in operating rooms, acts as a respiratory depressant and requires constant monitoring,”
Had “court documents” definitively stated Michael Jackson “died” at his “rented Los Angeles mansion” as the AP article claimed?
So far, this area has been rather “murky”, of whether Michael Jackson’s “life” was “extended” by life-saving measures before he was “pronounced” dead at UCLA Medical Center. Accounts of the last hours of Jackson’s death are punctuated with medical jargon such as “faint pulse”, “unresponsive”, “resuscitate”, and failure to “revive”. The key witness in the last hours of Michael Jackson’s life when Jackson suffered a cardiac arrest: Dr. Conrad Murray, who was attending Jackson in Jackson’s home as his personal physician.
To date, Murray had given one “public” statement via a one minute Youtube video on August 18, and an interview with Gerald Posner, held a half-hour after the Youtube video was filmed.
[youtube:oqaeh2ig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bjDWRJx9I&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:oqaeh2ig]
If you’re looking for any additional “details” from Murray on what occurred on June 25 in Posner’s interview, Posner summed up the interview in his first paragraph:
“In his first interview since Michael Jackson’s death, which the L.A. Coroner’s Office said was caused by an injection of propofol, the doctor who is at the center of the King of Pop homicide investigation frets about being a scapegoat, and insists that he wants to be exonerated.”
An interesting read, the interview was short on specifics regarding Michael Jackson’s death, other than Murray was “infuriated” at being “tagged” Jackson’s “enabler” or “concierge doctorâ€, which, Murray insisted, he was “neither”. Instead, he was Jackson’s “friend”. A “friend” who had “theories” about “other doctors and advisers” around Jackson who were “responsible for the star’s problems near the end of his life”.
Murray had this to say about his “biggest worry”:
What is your biggest worry? Without hesitating he says, “That I will be made the scapegoat.†For whom? He doesn’t want to blame others, doctors, or business advisers around Jackson, but clearly he has his own ideas of some of those who were responsible for any of the pop star’s problems near the end of his life.
Posner also interviewed Murray’s attorney Ed Chernoff who had this to say about his client “telling the truth” and “never changing his story”:
“Dr. Murray told the truth from the very first interviews with the police,†said Matt Alford, one of Chernoff’s partners and a ranking member of the defense team. “His story has never changed.â€
While Murray stated:
“I have always believed that if I simply tell the truth, I will be exonerated.â€
While it’s true, Murray’s “story”, the version being touted by Ed Chernoff and Murray spokesperson Miranda Sevcik, has remained “the same”, the authorities have a “different” version of Murray’s story, the version contained in the Aug. 25, search warrant affidavit.
Ed Chernoff and spokesperson Miranda Sevcik have given interviews, making statements on
Murray’s behalf, of Murray’s “version” of the events that occurred on June 25, the fateful day when Murray’s star patient succumbed to what authorities claim was a combination of lethal levels of the drug propofol and sedatives.
Versions, Statements, and Claims Regarding Michael Jackson’s “Death”
According to statements made by Murray’s spokesperson Miranda Sevcik, when Murray “found” Michael Jackson, Jackson “wasn’t breathing” but had a “weak pulse”. Jackson wasn’t declared dead until Jackson “was in the hospital”:
From Radar Online:
“Her claims are not consistent with Dr. Murray’s version of events,” Sevcik said. “LaToya was not in the house during the time she claims Prince was called into Jackson’s bedroom.
“Our version of events has not changed. Prince was never called into the bedroom and Dr. Murray found Micheal Jackson not breathing with a weak pulse. Mr. Jackson was not declared dead until he was in the hospital.”
Sevcik’s statement was in response to claims made by La Toya Jackson during an appearance on Barbara Walters’ ABC 20/20 on September 11, 2009:
Excerpt from La Toya Jackson’s appearance on ABC’s 20/20:
When asked by Walters if Murray murdered her brother, La Toya said, “Something went wrong. Something went wrong.â€
La Toya also addressed reports that Michael’s oldest son, Prince, was summoned by Murray the night of his father’s death to help resuscitate his father.
“He called Prince … Prince … watched him do this, Barbara. And you don’t do that to a child. You don’t do that to a child, especially when you knew prior to asking that child to come up, that Michael was no longer alive,†she said.
La Toya stressed that she believes Michael was dead long before Murray even called for Prince — but called the 13-year-old in, to “show that [he] had nothing to do with this.â€
The following video is a clip of La Toya’s September 11, ABC, 20/20 interview.
Sevcik’s statement, that Michael Jackson wasn’t “declared dead until he reached the hospital” is technically true as Jackson was “pronounced” dead at UCLA Medical Center at 2:26 pm, EST.
According to La Toya Jackson and the AP, Jackson had “died” while in his home. I decided to take a closer “look” at what was in the multiple page Search Warrant and Affidavit documents released by the Los Angeles Police Department relating to Michael Jackson’s death. A closer look at whether there was “evidence” in the court documents that backed up the AP’s and La Toya’s claim that Jackson had “died” at his home.
I also took look at other sources such as statements made by Los Angeles Fire Department spokesperson Capt. Steve Ruda, whose paramedics responded to the 911 call made from Jackson’s home, statements made by Jermaine Jackson during a press conference held at UCLA Medical Center, a few hours after his brother’s death, and, statements made by Dr. Conrad Murray’s attorney Ed Chernoff, and Miranda Sevcik, Murray’s spokesperson.
June 25, 2009, The Day Michael Jackson Died
A little over four hours after Michael Jackson’s official time of death, the LA Times published an article at 6:52 pm on the press conference held by Jermaine Jackson at UCLA Medical Center to announce the “King of Pop has passed awayâ€. Mentioned in the article: the time Michael Jackson arrived at the hospital, 1:14 pm, and Dr. Tohme R. Tohme, who, according to the Times, was Michael Jackson’s “personal physician”.
An excerpt:
“This is hard,†he said softly. “My brother, the legendary King of Pop, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 2:26 p.m…. It is believed he passed away of cardiac arrest.â€
He said Michael Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Tohme R. Tohme, was with him at the house and had tried to resuscitate him. He said paramedics also tried to revive his brother and “upon arriving at the hospital at 1:14 p.m., a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and a cardiologist, worked to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful.“
[youtube:oqaeh2ig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVaEaDty5_Y&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:oqaeh2ig]
Watching the video, it’s apparent how visibly distraught Jermaine was when attempting to speak about his brother’s tragic death which had occurred just hours earlier. What wasn’t in the video: the LA Times report that Jermaine had stated “Dr. Tohme R. Tohme was Jackson’s “personal physician”.
Here’s what Jermaine actually said:
“His personal physician who was with him at the time attempted to resuscitate my brother…”
At no point during the press conference did Jermaine name “who” Michael’s personal physician was. The Times has yet to print a retraction that Jackson’s personal physician was Dr. Conrad Murray, nor has the Times explained why the Times reporter stated that, during his press conference, Jermaine Jackson stated “Dr. Tohme” was Jackson’s “personal physician”.
Jermaine stated that his brother had “passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 2:26 p.m”. The time, “2:26 p.m.”, was the time Jackson was “pronounced dead” by Dr. R. Cooper, Emergency Physician, UCLA Medical Center.
Resuscitate: To restore to life. Derived from the Latin resuscitare, to reawaken
-Medterms.com
Revive: To bring back to life or consciousness; resuscitate.
-FreeDictionary.com
Jermaine also stated: Jackson’s “personal physician” tried to resuscitate his brother while at Jackson’s home, paramedics “tried to resuscitate” Michael, then, at the ER, physicians “worked to resuscitate” Michael “for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful”.
To date, the totality of official “court documents” in the Michael Jackson case released to the public have been two separate releases of search warrant documents: the original LAPD 14-page search warrant document, which included the “Declaration and Request” affidavit for the search warrant dated June 25, which was served at Michael Jackson’s home after his death.
The second round of Search Warrant documents, 23-pages, released on August 25th, stemmed from LAPD affidavits supplied to a Houston, Tx, Harris County District Court judge and were instrumental in proving probable cause to search Dr. Conrad Murray’s medical clinic and storage unit in Houston.
Included in both sets of search warrant documents, the affidavits: documents submitted to a judge or magistrate, needed to establish “probable cause”.
From Legal Dictionary:
A search warrant is a judicial document that authorizes police officers to search a person or place to obtain evidence for presentation in criminal prosecutions. Police officers obtain search warrants by submitting affidavits and other evidence to a judge or magistrate to establish Probable Cause to believe that a search will yield evidence related to a crime. If satisfied that the officers have established probable cause, the judge or magistrate will issue the warrant.
From Answers.com:
-An affidavit is voluntarily made without any cross-examination of the affiant and, therefore, is not the same as a deposition, a record of an examination of a witness or a party made either voluntarily or pursuant to a subpoena, as if the party were testifying in court under cross-examination.
-An affidavit is based upon either the personal knowledge of the affiant or his or her information and belief. Personal knowledge is the recognition of particular facts by either direct observation or experience. Information and belief is what the affiant feels he or she can state as true, although not based on firsthand knowledge.
-Affidavits serve as evidence in civil actions and criminal prosecutions in certain instances. They are considered a very weak type of evidence because they are not taken in court, and the affiant is not subject to cross-examination. Their use is usually restricted to times when no better evidence can be offered. If a witness who has made an affidavit is not available to testify at a trial, his or her affidavit may be admitted as evidence. If the witness is present, his or her affidavit is inadmissible except when used to impeach the witness’s testimony, or to help the witness with past recollection of facts.
According to Examiner.com, the August 25th “release” is the “official affidavit in its entirety, minus redaction’s made by law enforcement officers, pertaining to the search warrant that was issued in the Michael Jackson homicide case”.
The definition of “redaction” from Dictionary.com:
–verb (used with object)
1. to put into suitable literary form; revise; edit.
2. to draw up or frame (a statement, proclamation, etc.).
At an earlier date, I was able to find a link to the 14-page document, then fortuitously copied the document, as, a day later the link no longer directed to the document. While there are numerous links to the Search Warrant records released on August 25, I haven’t been able to find a link to the original June 25 search warrant records.
First up, what was written in the original search warrant affidavit pertaining to whether Jackson was found “dead” in his home.
On page 2, the document states:
-”on June 25, 2009 Robbery Homicide Detectives were assigned to investigate the death of Michael Jackson”.
-”Jackson was removed from his home to UCLA Medical Center” and then “pronounced dead at the hospital”.
Page three of the Affidavit states:
-”Family members and security staff” informed the police that “Mr. Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, was with him at the time of his death.”.
The affidavit then stated:
-”Detectives met with Dr. Murray at UCLA Medical Center.”
-“Dr. Murray stated he was with the decedent (Michael Jackson) at the time of his death.”
-”Detectives obtained a short summary of the events and Dr. Murray left the hospital against the objections of the investigating officers.”
In the very next sentence, the affidavit “contradicts” the previous statement that Murray had been “interviewed and “gave a short summary” to investigators before he left:
“Officers have been unable to interview Dr. Murray, and the coroner’s office has not established a cause of death for for the decedent.”
Page 8 of the “official” August 25 Search Warrant and Affidavit stated:
-”Upon arrival, Dr. Murray met with Dr. R. Cooper, the physician in charge of the emergency department. Murray told Cooper he had given JACKSON two separate 2mg doses of LORAZEPAM (Ativan), during the course of the night”.
-”Cooper attempted to revive Jackson with negative results”.
-”Cooper pronounced Jackson’s death at 1426 (2:26 pm) hours.”
-”Murray refused to sign the death certificate, and the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office was summoned to the hospital.”
“Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Robbery Homicide Division (RHD)” were “assigned to assist the Coroner’s Office conduct an investigation”.
-”Upon arrival at UCLA Medical Center, neither the coroner’s investigators nor detectives could locate MURRAY to re-interview him. Repeated attempts at contacting and locating MURRAY were unsuccessful.”
On June 25, 5:20 pm, PST, the site, TMZ reported:
We’ve just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.
Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him. We’re told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.
A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived. A cardiologist at UCLA tells TMZ Jackson died of cardiac arrest.
Once at the hospital, the staff tried to resuscitate him but he was completely unresponsive.
* Michael Jackson Autopsy: AP Reports Jackson Died in Home
* Continued on Page 2: Michael Jackson Autopsy: AP Reports Jackson Died in Home, Part II
* Michael Jackson Autopsy: AP Reports Jackson Died in Home Part III
By LBG
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/10 ... d-in-home/ (http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/10/michael-jackson-autopsy-ap-reports-jackson-died-in-home/)
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Cannes....
Lady Diana.....
Remember remember.....
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[img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ap_jackson_tl2_ssv.jpg)
recalling the 2005 trial ... the physical and moral damage which was the subject Michael :( :evil:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39511000/jpg/_39511480_203b_handcuffs_ap.jpg)
[youtube:3akvov97]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U2m5AhNkQM&feature=player_embedded#at=37[/youtube:3akvov97]
And the garbage of Thomas Sneddon continues declaring that Michael is guilty after the verdict.. sufficient reason to take revenge for all these people, sometimes it is necessary to remember :evil:
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is a strange coincidence that Tom Sneddon BECAME (that is, was put in place) as county prosecutor, with jurisdiction over Neverland, the year all this started, when THRILLER came out?? :?
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Michael didn't buy Neverland till later, but a coincidence none the less. But sneddon's interview posted where he said that there was a whole team behind him [ mentions lawyers and those higher up] who decided to go ahead with the 2005 trial. hmm. And sneddon did 2 years in the military. Probably 2 years of mind programming. One of his alters is probably a rabid dog.
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It's her
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is a strange coincidence that Tom Sneddon BECAME (that is, was put in place) as county prosecutor, with jurisdiction over Neverland, the year all this started, when THRILLER came out??
What are you suggesting?
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still bugs me about the jermaine being the only one authorized to make statement deal. suspicious//
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Besides shady doctors, Sneddon, Batshit, and all other snakes that surrounded MJ in his life, focus of the sting must be the ones pulling the strings behind the curtain. I have been wondering who that could be for a long time, but chappie mentioned yesterday that it might be possible that Mike has something to do with the new movie that will premiere in Cannes tomorrow, Unlawful Killing, and that exposing the conspiracy to kill Princess Diana could be a part of the hoax and even the sting. I think she might have hit the nail on the head.
Who are they? THEY are trying to kill me. THEY know who they are. THEY, THEY, THEY. Who are they? I have asked myself that question numerous times after writing the V for Vendetta blog. I will quote the end:
Well, it is clear that he was framed…twice! But how and why? There are too many similarities between the Chandlers and the Arvizos. There is a link with David Schwarz and Tom Sneddon and Sneddon admitted he met with Janet Arvizo before the accusations. Makes us think that Sneddon planned this and that the Arvizos and the Chandlers are on the payroll?
But what’s in it for Sneddon? Fame? Not in a good way because putting Mike behind bars means he will gain millions of haters, some even mad enough to hunt him down and kill him.
Because he thought he was guilty and wanted the child molester behind bars? Doesn’t make sense either, because he was presented all the facts and evidence supporting Mike, he must have known he was innocent. If we can already see that by reading on the net, he must have seen that as well. So why hunt him down for so many years? Must have been for $$$$, we don’t see another reason. But who was paying Sneddon to get Mike?
http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... vengeance/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/v-for-vendetta-v-for-vengeance/)
Of course, you can say TPTB are behind it, but why and who exactly? Who wanted him out of the way and why? What could he have known that made certain people so nervous that he needed to be taken down? I am sure there are many, since MJ was off message and becoming very powerful and influential in the late 80's, but he also met Princess Diana back then. He was devestated when she died, they must have been good friends. They talked on the phone, but it is said (and I believe that immediately) that Diana's phone calls were being tapped. I think she told him things he wasn't supposed to know and that is when I think the Chandlers came in and 10 years later the Arvizos.
When Diana died, he told Barbara Walters that he was afraid he would be next. Why would he say that?
Now this movie premieres in Cannes tomorrow and it has new audio material of Diana talking on the phone about her fears for being killed. It is said this movie will be very revealing. So much even, that it is banned in the UK (as if that makes sense with the internet nowadays).
Princess Diana documentary to screen at Cannes
Keith Allen will debut his controversial film, 'the inquest of the inquest' of Princess Diana, at the festival as Unlawful Killing will not be shown in UK cinemas
Ben Child
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 10 May 2011 14.29 BST
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/10/1305022250258/Keith-Allen-and-Princess--005.jpg)
'What I found was horrifying' ... Keith Allen and Princess Diana. Photograph: Tim Rooke/Rex Features and Rex Features
Actor and film-maker Keith Allen will screen his controversial documentary about the death of Princess Diana in Cannes on 13 May.
Unlawful Killing, a labour of love developed over three years following extensive interviews with people who knew his subject, alleges that "dark forces" within the British establishment worked to cover up the true details of Diana's death in 1997. It is described by Allen as "the inquest of the inquest" and has drawn controversy because it will show a photograph of the dying princess taken by paparazzi moments after her car crashed in a Paris tunnel.
The black-and-white image is reportedly so graphic that it was pixelated during the inquest into Diana's fatal crash. It will not be shown in Britain because the film itself is not being shown in cinemas – due, Allen says, to lawyers who insisted on extensive cuts.
"Screening this film in Cannes for the world's media will be both exhilarating and terrifying for me," said the star of Shallow Grave and Trainspotting. "As far back as 2004, I had been intrigued by Mohamed Al Fayed's unrelenting determination to seek answers to the questions surrounding the death of his son, Dodi and Princess Diana.
"By going 'undercover' at the inquest, I hoped to reconcile some of my own suspicions too – but what I experienced was horrifying. This film is, in short, the inquest of the inquest."
Unlawful Killing will combine a recreation of the inquest and interviews with the late Tony Curtis, Howard Stern, Kitty Kelley, Mohamed Al Fayed, Piers Morgan and Michael Mansfield QC. Dave Stewart provides the original score.
Writing in the Guardian, Allen said: "Unlawful Killing is not about a conspiracy before the crash, but a provable conspiracy after the crash. A conspiracy organised not by a single scheming arch-fiend, but collectively by the British establishment – judges, lawyers, politicians, police chiefs, secret services, even newspaper editors – all of whom have been appointed to their positions because they are 'a safe pair of hands'.
"Just as compass needles all point north without being told to, so these people instinctively know what is expected of them when the state's interests are under threat and they act accordingly, quietly suppressing uncomfortable evidence or undermining the credibility of witnesses whose evidence contradicts the official narrative."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may ... ary-cannes (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/10/princess-diana-documentary-cannes)
Attending the film festival in Cannes: Joe and Janet, but also Lady Gaga, who has the same countdown on her website as http://www.michaeljacksonfakeddeath.com (http://www.michaeljacksonfakeddeath.com). I am not saying it's legit, but it's strange since that site was registered on June 25, 2009. Gaga's countdown is for the release of the album 'Born this way' - UK version, while the US version will be released on May 17 already so I don't get why she didn't set the countdown to that date. Cannes will end on the 22nd, I hope they will put the movie online on the 23rd.
Here is the trailer for Unlawful Killing:
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5PFWc8DgFw[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
And here is a sneak preview:
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzmk1E6QmE[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
All the V for Vendetta references. V blows up the British houses of parliament, the movie is set in London. The concerts were supposed to be in London, Jermaine's tribute (well one of them) was supposed to happen in London, this hoax has the UK written all over it.
Why would the friend mentioned in the trailer of the movie wait this long to release the tapes? Waiting for the right moment? And who is this friend? Who is said to have taped half of his life? I think it's possible that MJ is at least partially involved in all this. If he would have the opportunity to expose the British Establishment for murdering Diana, I am sure he would. Who wouldn't? She was the female MJ, humanitarian, haunted by paparazzi and TPTB and loved by billions. If the truth comes out about her death, the world will be pissed and that's quite the understatement. The first reports on the 'accident' aired by the BBC were that she was not seriously injured. Concussion and a broken arm or leg I think. It is also said that she was consious and talked to one of the rescuers on the scene. Then a doctor comes along and injects her and next thing she is on the reanimation department in the hospital because of a cardiac arrest. What did they inject her with? Propofol maybe? Is that why that drug was chosen for this hoax?
Then there is the Batshit connection, Diana was also interviewed by him. After this interview she was forced to divorce Charles by Elizabeth and 2 years later she was dead. Here is the interview:
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RKg7bVnIOo[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDFwivqi2zk[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDbvgQNj_fE[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwBlWOXWEI[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOdefHDq9I[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAnXUxyu1XI[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
[youtube:20n7sgdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ss08ClLcPc[/youtube:20n7sgdd]
To me there are again too many coincidences. For those who haven't seen it yet, here is a link to a documentary I posted back in August about the accident: viewtopic.php?f=78&t=13842 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=13842)
Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
A verdict of unlawful killing was returned in the following cases:
A jury decided on 7 April 2008 that Princess Diana and Dodi Al-Fayed had been unlawfully killed by the grossly negligent driving of the following vehicles and the driver of the Mercedes in which they were travelling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_killing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_killing)
So THEY got away with murder and the driver got the blame. If that's not public corruption, then I don't know what is.
By the way, I still believe it is a hoax court. I think I said it before, but I think some of the witnesses could also be targets. TMZ has an article now that Adams has to testify for the defence while he doesn't want to. So sting using court, not focussing on court.[/color]
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[youtube:1v03c9fm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U2m5AhNkQM&feature=player_embedded#at=37[/youtube:1v03c9fm]
10:25 says "he is planning the next step in his career, always looking ahead." Maybe the person that is close to Michael was referring to the "hoax" his next BIG career move after '05 trial.
The 2005 trial and Hoax are 4 years apart. Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory are 4 years apart from one another. And BOTDF (HIStory in the Mix) and Invincible are 4 years apart. Maybe nothing more than a coincidence, but I just thought I'd put that out there. :)
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I’ve often wondered how Prince Charles really felt about Michael & Princess Diana’s relationship.
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Souza Souza Souza!! WOW, I'm very impressed with your post and it makes WAY TOO MUCH SENSE.
I think the main target of the sting is "TPTB" and my biggest question about that is who are they? I tried saying something similar in an earlier post, that the targets of the sting (and there are many) lead all the way to the top. No wonder this hoax has been planned for so long.
The Princess Diana connections cannot be coincidence. I'm still reeling at how you put it all together. I watched that Bashir interview years ago but will watch it again. I want to think about this more.
And yes I agree it's a hoax court, with some sting on the side.
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*reminder to watch later*
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(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39511000/jpg/_39511480_203b_handcuffs_ap.jpg)
there was a post about MJ’s hands. Well here is a sure picture of them when he was handcuffed.
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Excellent post Souza, and Mohamed Al-Fayed is friend of Michael
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Come on Hoaxers....Open your eyes....
Cannes ends 23/5/2011.....
Guess who is/will be there....
Joe Jackson
http://www.jwjackson.com/?p=267&lang=en-us
Janet Jackson
http://www.showbiz411.com/2011/05/09/janet-jackson-and-joe-jackson-will-they-meet-in-cannes
Lady Gaga
http://celebrity-gossip.net/lady-gaga/lady-gagas-cannes-rehearsals-504499
Johnny Depp
Tim Burton (Jury president)
And many more.
The Movie is by Keith Allen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Allen_(actor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Allen_(actor))
Fan of Fulham F.C. England Football Club in London.
Guess who is the owner of that club...Mohamed Al Fayed.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_F.C.
http://www.unlawfulkilling.com/
It reveals a cover-up by the British Establishment culminating in a six month inquest.
Keith Allen's ground breaking documentary recreates key moments from the inquest and demonstrates how vital evidence of foul play was hidden from public scrutiny, how the Royal Family were exempted from giving evidence and how journalists, particularly those working for the BBC, systematically misreported the events and in particular, the verdict itself.
This is the story of how the world was deceived.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... u-wont-see (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/07/unlawful-killing-film-you-wont-see)
Unlawful Killing is not about a conspiracy before the crash, but a provable conspiracy after the crash.
A conspiracy organised not by a single scheming arch-fiend, but collectively by the British establishment – judges, lawyers, politicians, police chiefs, secret services, even newspaper editors – all of whom have been appointed to their positions because they are "a safe pair of hands".
Production company Allied Stars Ltd
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0123633/
Guess what movie...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316396/
Remember Remember the 5th of november?
V for Vendetta
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/
Lady Diana Princess of Wales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana,_Princess_of_Wales
On 5 november 1981 the first pregnancy was officially announced.
Prince Charles's first son and heir.
Charles will never be king as we all know.
But he was able to marry his Camilla after Diana died.
But Is prince Harry really Charles his son?
Only Diana knows...
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/14/prince-harry-whos-my-daddy/
Quote TMZ:Should Harry decide to go ahead and take a DNA test against the Queen's wishes, he might want to stay out of Parisian tunnels.
Oeps....
Who is:
Domain Name: UNLAWFULKILLING.COM
Registrar: EVERYONES INTERNET, LTD. DBA RESELLONE.NET
Whois Server: Whois.theplanet.com
Referral URL: http://www.theplanet.com (http://www.theplanet.com)
Name Server: NS.MICROLITE1.COM
Name Server: NS2.MICROLITE1.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 28-apr-2011
Creation Date: 28-apr-2011
Expiration Date: 28-apr-2013
The Sting?
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Chaps
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penguin/ Great info Chappie. Really great infomation.
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hesouttamylife wrote:
Great info Chappie. Really great infomation
that's true rr/
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I think we are, dare I say it, making excellent progress here.
Chappie, thank you for gathering that information and piecing it together. I am very interested to see what comes out of Cannes. What will this controversial documentary of Princess Diana's death reveal and how the people of the world react? Diana, who devoted her life to giving love to everyone and really meaning it and really wanting to make a positive change. I wish I appreciated Diana more when she was alive, I'm Prince William's age and still basically a child when she died. To have her and Michael on the earth at the same time was truly an amazing thing. And the presence of the Jacksons at Cannes has to mean something significant.
Is this maybe the reason for the trial being delayed again? I think people are really supposed to make some of their own connections, see it for themselves and then perhaps Murray will get his fair trial...if it comes to a trial. They just need to feel that sting of doubt that things aren't as they seem, and refuse to listen to the lies they are spoonfed daily. Look at the world with eyes wide open. And there is such a thing as a peaceful revolution - people may not realize that but as soon as they do, they can have it.
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I can't even verbalize the sinking sick feeling I'm feeling right now. I need to let this sink in but I believe these truly are the global dots we were supposed to be connecting.
I felt in my heart that there was some kind of connection but didn't take the time to truly look.
Thank you so much to all of you who have put in hours upon hours researching. I know it's a sacrifice.
God bless you.
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But what's the connection with Michael Jackson?
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Too many dots to not be connected. All I can say is BINGO!!!!
I'm sure some toffs are shitting their pants right about now.
[On a personal note, I'm the proud mum of a child who did the musical score of a movie also being shown at Cannes this year.]
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The day Diana died, 31 August 1997, we were going to the MJ concert in Belgium.
It was all day on the radio that the concert would not be cancelled.
I was saying to my friends, no way there is going to be a concert today.
As time went by, my friends were saying, come on we got to go.
I said no wait till 18.00 hours...I don't believe his going to do the concert at all.
So we were listening to the 18.00 o'clock news and still nothing.
So we got in the car, 30 minutes later on the news, the concert was cancelled.
We returned home.
As for the movie, I really hope that they found real evidence that will shock the world.
My thoughts are that MJ is behind it all.
Don't forget that Diana would be 50 this year, born July 1 1961.
And guess who died at 50?
Coincidence?
Chappie
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WOW, WOW & WOW!!! Excellent posts Souza and Chappie!! This is blowing my mind...I don't even know what to say except that, "the shit is about to hit the fan"!!!
I think that the world's "eyes" are about to be opened in a BIG, BIG way! I really need to let this all sink in before I say anything else, but I do want to say a big "thank you" to all of our "Investigators"...you guys are all AMAZING!!
Blessings and LOVE, to all!! bearhug
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http://www.jwjackson.com/?p=267&lang=en-us (http://www.jwjackson.com/?p=267&lang=en-us)
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Chappie
But Is prince Harry really Charles his son?
Only Diana knows...
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/14/prince-ha ... -my-daddy/ (http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/14/prince-harry-whos-my-daddy/)
Quote TMZ:Should Harry decide to go ahead and take a DNA test against the Queen's wishes, he might want to stay out of Parisian tunnels.
Oeps....
I remember reading this years ago. This brings new meaning to the time he dressed as a nazi and offended everyone, and called his army buddy a “paki”. He's an interesting one to watch!
Souza, my heart totally tells me you are correct, and your evidence is solid. For me, this takes me to discussion on other threads in the past about who Michael may really be. Since the beginning of man-kind my studies have shown there to be two blood-lines in this grand story that God is telling. One is counterfeit and userping the rightful one even during Old Testament times. Since Christ lived 2000 years ago, there has been a concerted effort to gain that throne, called the Morovingians, search for the holy grail, etc. All the royals of Europe are involved and related, as well as many of the most influencial people in the world including bankers etc. A certain group of people (I won't name but you all know who I mean) are involved with this and have been behind all the major world wars. Prince Philip being formerly a Nazi makes perfect sense, since Hitler was only a puppet in their hands, to eventually force/create the state of Israel. This same group of people were heavily behind driving the slave trade, trying to wipe out the Afro-Americans themselves and their memory of who they really were, the true children of Israel from the Old Testament times. Prince William may well be the chosen one for their blood-line, just as there may be a chosen one from the other line. Haile Selassie of Ethiopia was a related royal from that blood-line, but it could be that Michael is the one, looking at even things like the royal crest on his Neverland gate.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/16/article-1147286-038ABD84000005DC-931_634x593.jpg)
For this "group" of people, London is the finacial center of the world, New York is the international trade center, the Vatican is the spiritual center, and Jerusalem is the Biblical prophetic home, since they tried so hard to create this "homeland". Revelation describes the complete destruction of this city by likely nuclear fire. There is mountains of data on all of this for any who care to dig very hard where few dare to go, and it's a deep vast hole. It's all God's story folks, just cause He chose it to go that way.
I still believe this is mostly a hoax court, because since Michael was a young child he has known that God has a special role for him, and would protect him as he fulfills his calling. Therefore he can put his heart into creating with all humor, love, connecting a gadzillion dots, and making it "The greatest show on earth". Coca cola is a big sponser for this hoax, and I'm sure that other huge forces, are lining up with either side in this battle. This movie Unlawful Killing may or may not reveal anything sensational, but it may heat things up in this drama. And remember TS did include in his list of reasons for the hoax, the end of the world, or in other words TPTB may be shifted dramatically, we'll be under new management.
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I don't like Mr. Guano! :x
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bow/ bow/ bow/ bow/ bow/
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8)
[youtube:3547z4mc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8[/youtube:3547z4mc]
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Do you remember in this TMZ video at 1:15 (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... 01c95ae195 (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=de0a0aa6-0040-4b7a-9c9f-5b01c95ae195)) it said that she was talking to one of the producers in that phone call, maybe the producer is MJ because we know he wanted to do film and is possibly doing film. He also did talk to Princess Diana frequently.
http://princessdianaremembered.wordpres ... ess-diana/ (http://princessdianaremembered.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-spent-thousands-of-dollars-on-phone-calls-to-princess-diana/)
Michael Jackson first met Princess Diana in 1988 at his concert for the Prince’s Trust at Wembley when he handed her black Bad tour jackets for Princes William and Harry.
[youtube:2k11w9se]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdydX04WzMg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2k11w9se]
Michael became especially close to Diana and at the time of her death in 1997 Jacko was spending thousands a month on phone calls to her.
He said: “We would talk about everything that was happening in her life. She needed to talk to someone who knew exactly what she was going through.
His advice to Diana was: "Be strong, and be determined, and nobody can hurt you. Only you can hurt yourself — so be defiant." He also called her relationship with Dodi Fayed, who died with her in the 1997 car crash, "a match made in heaven." Jackson never met Diana’s sons, William and Henry, but said: "Diana desperately wanted me to meet her children, and we talked about it many times."
“She felt hunted in the way I’ve felt hunted. Trapped, if you like. You can’t talk about that to your neighbour because how would they ever understand?” He said of her death: “It was the saddest I’ve ever felt. It broke my heart, I just cried and cried.”
Michael’s advice to Diana was: "Be strong, and be determined, and nobody can hurt you. Only you can hurt yourself — so be defiant." He also called her relationship with Dodi Fayed, who died with her in the 1997 car crash, "a match made in heaven." Jackson never met Diana’s sons, William and Harry, but said: "Diana desperately wanted me to meet her children, and we talked about it many times."
Also I am sure Mohamed Al Fayed knows about MJ faking his death, but then why did he put up that statue of MJ? I know it sounds kinda stupid but my guess is he did it as a gesture to thank MJ for maybe exposing the conspiracy of the murder of Princess Diana and Dodi (if MJ is really behind this doco and if it really is exposed as a coverup) and how about when Mohamed said to all those people who didn't like the statue to go to hell.
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Here is some more articles about MJ and Princess Diana;
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/20 ... hared.html (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2011/04/michael-jackson-princess-diana-shared.html)
http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/ca ... s-diana-2/ (http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/1988-princess-diana-2/)
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8)
[youtube:10sjul5k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8[/youtube:10sjul5k]
Yes I have been wondering about that too, because I don't think those are their real names. I have been thinking what Blanket could mean, but Blanket is named Prince, while the oldest is called Prince. Two princes or princess and Paris. But Prince was born before Diana died. Does anyone know when the name Prince was made public? Because I also think there's a connection.
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8)
[youtube:69y8o3yx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8[/youtube:69y8o3yx]
Yes I have been wondering about that too, because I don't think those are their real names. I have been thinking what Blanket could mean, but Blanket is named Prince, while the oldest is called Prince. Two princes or princess and Paris. But Prince was born before Diana died. Does anyone know when the name Prince was made public? Because I also think there's a connection.
I'll keep looking for that answer, but isn't it strange how in "Visions from Michael" thread, we already had discussed this in detail...alot of us had dreams or visions of MJ and seen a "beautiful blonde women"...and talked about the pyramids (Fayed is from egypt) and we talked alot about his ancestory....things that make you go hmmmmmm.
Edit..Prince is his mother Katherine's fathers name. and blanket is a slang term for "to blanket someone with LOVE"
In the meantime, I will post this amazing video I found...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D40p_kdr ... ure=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D40p_kdrKDM&feature=fvwrel)
[youtube:69y8o3yx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D40p_kdrKDM&feature=fvwrel[/youtube:69y8o3yx]
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When I heard the news of Princess Diana, passing, I was devestated, such a wonderful, kind, beautiful woman. I had a gut feeling that the Royal family had something to do with it. Then my feelings were confirmed when the Queen Elizabeth made a speech about Diana. She had no emotions, and you can see it into her eyes. He eyes were cold just like ice. There was already a movie done on Diana's life, and in that movie, it states that she was murdured. If they did a movie and called it a murder, they must have found out some clues. If you come across that movie please watch it. So many things happened that it will make your head spin..
The movie was called The Murder of Princess Diana -
Inspired by the book of the same title, this fictional retelling focuses on the hours leading up to and directly following the tragic deaths of Princess Diana, her companion Dodi Fayed and their chauffeur, Henri Paul. The movie follows Rachel, an American journalist in Paris, who is present the night of the fateful accident and witness to the crime scene. As she starts to investigate, Rachel uncovers information that leads her to believe this was no accident. Enlisting the help of her former lover, a police officer, she finds herself further embroiled in what she believes is a conspiracy to murder the former princess, and soon learns that there are people out there who will stop at nothing to silence her.
Director: John Strickland
Screenplay: Emma Reeves and Reg Gadney
Producers: Julia Stannard and Working Title Television
Executive producer: Simon Wright
Associate producer: Priscilla Parish
Genre: Drama
Year: 2007
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/murder-princess-diana (http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/murder-princess-diana)
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8)
[youtube:122zec4s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRb3ly2IE8[/youtube:122zec4s]
Yes I have been wondering about that too, because I don't think those are their real names. I have been thinking what Blanket could mean, but Blanket is named Prince, while the oldest is called Prince. Two princes or princess and Paris. But Prince was born before Diana died. Does anyone know when the name Prince was made public? Because I also think there's a connection.
Interesting, but I thought Prince was named after Michael's grandfather? Katherine's father? I'm not quite sure though. I have always wondered the story behind "Blanket."
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Well *TED* what where you doing?
Just listen around 1.08
Guess Prince got a new Nickname from his grandmother..... :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=135d2192-b29c-4e17-afa6-6ca6205147b3
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This is an excellent video...cant open the link though..
[google=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=128114888999940221#:cmrjchne][/google:cmrjchne]
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
Prince is a name in Michael's family that is passed down. Paris is where Paris was born.
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
Prince is a name in Michael's family that is passed down. Paris is where Paris was born.
Paris was born in California, not in Paris. And why does Katherine call Prince 'Ted' when his name is Prince?
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I remember MJ saying in an interview that Paris was named that because she was conceived in Paris...I can't find the interview, I'm not too sure, was it in the Bashir interview?...I will look for it anyway. But here is what Debbie Rowe said.
So wonderful, in fact, that months later, Rowe was artificially impregnated again. She recalls: "Of course it was artificial insemination. Paris was conceived in Paris, that's how she got her name. Michael wanted to call her Princess, but I thought that was stupid."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z1MF32EPdD (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-513206/My-life-mother-Michael-Jacksons-children-Debbie-Rowe.html#ixzz1MF32EPdD)
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[google=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8263501370427267909#:1iy8knkl][/google:1iy8knkl]
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In the video I just posted they talk about the tapes that allegedly are now made public in the movie. Obtained by American Security Agency...FBI? And how would they get something like that? Seems like the friend was American and handed over the tapes to the FBI.
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Do you mean the SIS...MI6 and MI5???
Secret Intelligent Service
https://www.sis.gov.uk/about-us.html. (https://www.sis.gov.uk/about-us.html.).
Have you seen this ?? There are quite alot of parts to this, but I will only post the first, because it scares the hell out of me..I have attached their logo...does it look familiar??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_N2o&feature=related)
[youtube:m13rzhnb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_N2o&feature=related[/youtube:m13rzhnb]
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
Prince is a name in Michael's family that is passed down. Paris is where Paris was born.
Paris was born in California, not in Paris. And why does Katherine call Prince 'Ted' when his name is Prince?
Oh, I apologize! Paris was conceived in Paris, France. I knew Michael had mentioned Paris being named after the city
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Come on Hoaxers....Open your eyes....
Cannes ends 23/5/2011.....
Guess who is/will be there....
Joe Jackson
http://www.jwjackson.com/?p=267&lang=en-us
Janet Jackson
http://www.showbiz411.com/2011/05/09/janet-jackson-and-joe-jackson-will-they-meet-in-cannes
Lady Gaga
http://celebrity-gossip.net/lady-gaga/lady-gagas-cannes-rehearsals-504499
Johnny Depp
Tim Burton (Jury president)
And many more.
The Movie is by Keith Allen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Allen_(actor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Allen_(actor))
Fan of Fulham F.C. England Football Club in London.
Guess who is the owner of that club...Mohamed Al Fayed.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_F.C.
http://www.unlawfulkilling.com/
It reveals a cover-up by the British Establishment culminating in a six month inquest.
Keith Allen's ground breaking documentary recreates key moments from the inquest and demonstrates how vital evidence of foul play was hidden from public scrutiny, how the Royal Family were exempted from giving evidence and how journalists, particularly those working for the BBC, systematically misreported the events and in particular, the verdict itself.
This is the story of how the world was deceived.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... u-wont-see (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/07/unlawful-killing-film-you-wont-see)
Unlawful Killing is not about a conspiracy before the crash, but a provable conspiracy after the crash.
A conspiracy organised not by a single scheming arch-fiend, but collectively by the British establishment – judges, lawyers, politicians, police chiefs, secret services, even newspaper editors – all of whom have been appointed to their positions because they are "a safe pair of hands".
Production company Allied Stars Ltd
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0123633/
Guess what movie...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316396/
Remember Remember the 5th of november?
V for Vendetta
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/
Lady Diana Princess of Wales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana,_Princess_of_Wales
On 5 november 1981 the first pregnancy was officially announced.
Prince Charles's first son and heir.
Charles will never be king as we all know.
But he was able to marry his Camilla after Diana died.
But Is prince Harry really Charles his son?
Only Diana knows...
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/14/prince-harry-whos-my-daddy/
Quote TMZ:Should Harry decide to go ahead and take a DNA test against the Queen's wishes, he might want to stay out of Parisian tunnels.
Oeps....
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The Sting?
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Chaps
Now this is what I call an amazing investigation. AMAZING INFO Chaps. Thank You. bow/ michaeljacksonfakeddeath.com ends also on the 23rd and Lady Gaga's web page has a countdown too which also ends on the 23rd.
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Do you mean the SIS...MI6 and MI5???
Secret Intelligent Service
https://www.sis.gov.uk/about-us.html. (https://www.sis.gov.uk/about-us.html.).
Have you seen this ?? There are quite alot of parts to this, but I will only post the first, because it scares the hell out of me..I have attached their logo...does it look familiar??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_N2o&feature=related)
[youtube:2pken2q3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_N2o&feature=related[/youtube:2pken2q3]
No, an American agency, not the SIS. I think either the CIA or the FBI.
Going to watch that video later.
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Great stuff Chappie and Souza. MJ probably also taught Princess Diana a few things too. I still miss her.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll say!
Excerpt from below:
"Comments in the press often noted the strained relationship between Diana and the Queen Mother, which is understandable if both were aware Diana was the biological daughter of the Queen Mother’s deceased husband; her mother Frances was in the position to have been inseminated 8 years after his death ."
http://www.free-press-release.com/news- ... 62257.html (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-study-says-princess-diana-may-have-been-prince-charles-aunt-1297362257.html)
http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/ ... -middleton (http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/blog/canadian-genetics-researcher-gives-interview-on-british-royals-unethical-use-of-in-vitro-to-preserve-an-heir-to-edward-viii-and-wallis-simpson-and-she-s-kate-middleton)
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Great stuff Chappie and Souza. MJ probably also taught Princess Diana a few things too. I still miss her.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll say!
Excerpt from below:
"Comments in the press often noted the strained relationship between Diana and the Queen Mother, which is understandable if both were aware Diana was the biological daughter of the Queen Mother’s deceased husband; her mother Frances was in the position to have been inseminated 8 years after his death ."
http://www.free-press-release.com/news- ... 62257.html (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-study-says-princess-diana-may-have-been-prince-charles-aunt-1297362257.html)
http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/ ... -middleton (http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/blog/canadian-genetics-researcher-gives-interview-on-british-royals-unethical-use-of-in-vitro-to-preserve-an-heir-to-edward-viii-and-wallis-simpson-and-she-s-kate-middleton)
afraid/
Never heard that before. Gonna read...
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Great stuff Chappie and Souza. MJ probably also taught Princess Diana a few things too. I still miss her.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll say!
Excerpt from below:
"Comments in the press often noted the strained relationship between Diana and the Queen Mother, which is understandable if both were aware Diana was the biological daughter of the Queen Mother’s deceased husband; her mother Frances was in the position to have been inseminated 8 years after his death ."
http://www.free-press-release.com/news- ... 62257.html (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-study-says-princess-diana-may-have-been-prince-charles-aunt-1297362257.html)
http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/ ... -middleton (http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/blog/canadian-genetics-researcher-gives-interview-on-british-royals-unethical-use-of-in-vitro-to-preserve-an-heir-to-edward-viii-and-wallis-simpson-and-she-s-kate-middleton)
afraid/
Never heard that before. Gonna read...
On 2nd link, please ensure you select "back" at bottom of page (William and Kate). Ya' can't miss what she writes about Brad Pitt and Angelina being siblings - and Jane Fonda being their mother. Too much! No wonder MJ was trying to keep up with his sperm and DNA.
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Come on Hoaxers....Open your eyes....
Cannes ends 23/5/2011.....
Guess who is/will be there....
Joe Jackson
http://www.jwjackson.com/?p=267&lang=en-us
Janet Jackson
http://www.showbiz411.com/2011/05/09/janet-jackson-and-joe-jackson-will-they-meet-in-cannes
Lady Gaga
http://celebrity-gossip.net/lady-gaga/lady-gagas-cannes-rehearsals-504499
Johnny Depp
Tim Burton (Jury president)
And many more.
The Movie is by Keith Allen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Allen_(actor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Allen_(actor))
Fan of Fulham F.C. England Football Club in London.
Guess who is the owner of that club...Mohamed Al Fayed.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_F.C.
http://www.unlawfulkilling.com/
It reveals a cover-up by the British Establishment culminating in a six month inquest.
Keith Allen's ground breaking documentary recreates key moments from the inquest and demonstrates how vital evidence of foul play was hidden from public scrutiny, how the Royal Family were exempted from giving evidence and how journalists, particularly those working for the BBC, systematically misreported the events and in particular, the verdict itself.
This is the story of how the world was deceived.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... u-wont-see (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/07/unlawful-killing-film-you-wont-see)
Unlawful Killing is not about a conspiracy before the crash, but a provable conspiracy after the crash.
A conspiracy organised not by a single scheming arch-fiend, but collectively by the British establishment – judges, lawyers, politicians, police chiefs, secret services, even newspaper editors – all of whom have been appointed to their positions because they are "a safe pair of hands".
Production company Allied Stars Ltd
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0123633/
Guess what movie...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316396/
Remember Remember the 5th of november?
V for Vendetta
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/
Lady Diana Princess of Wales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana,_Princess_of_Wales
On 5 november 1981 the first pregnancy was officially announced.
Prince Charles's first son and heir.
Charles will never be king as we all know.
But he was able to marry his Camilla after Diana died.
But Is prince Harry really Charles his son?
Only Diana knows...
http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/14/prince-harry-whos-my-daddy/
Quote TMZ:Should Harry decide to go ahead and take a DNA test against the Queen's wishes, he might want to stay out of Parisian tunnels.
Oeps....
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The Sting?
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Chaps
about "allied stars ltd"!!!!!
Biography
The son of multi-millionaire Mohamed Al Fayed, Dodi Fayed is best-remembered for his relationship with the internationally popular Princess of Wales, Diana Spencer, than for having executive produced such major features as FX (1982) and The Scarlet Letter (1995). Both Fayed and the princess perished in a traffic accident in a Paris tunnel on August 31, 1997. Fayed became involved in films in 1980 when he produced the documentary Breaking Glass (1980). As a producer, Fayed offered financing rather than creative input to films. In Hollywood, Fayed had a sort of double image. On one hand, he was known for giving elaborate parties in opulent, rented Southern California homes; on the other, he was increasingly known for writing bad checks. Fayed had founded his own production company, Allied Stars Inc., but none of the projects he and five associates had planned came to fruition. On the night he and Lady Di were in the accident, they were dining at his father's Ritz-Carleton Hotel in Paris. ~ Sandra Brennan, Rovi
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/dodi-al-fa ... z1MGgwmWLX (http://www.answers.com/topic/dodi-al-fayed#ixzz1MGgwmWLX)
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Do you mean the SIS...MI6 and MI5???
Secret Intelligent Service
https://www.sis.gov.uk/about-us.html. (https://www.sis.gov.uk/about-us.html.).
Have you seen this ?? There are quite alot of parts to this, but I will only post the first, because it scares the hell out of me..I have attached their logo...does it look familiar??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_N2o&feature=related)
[youtube:3gz65n20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWazqf_N2o&feature=related[/youtube:3gz65n20]
Thank you for the video, it is scary. As I have written earlier when the queen Elizabeth did her speech about Diana's death, I sensed it right away that she was murdered, and she may have had something to do with it. I couldn't shake this feeling. Now that these videos are surfacing, I know now it is true. I have lost all respect with the royal family, as for Prince Charles he should get what he deserves. I sincerely do hope that Prince William and Harry will defend their mother's death and blame Royal family..
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I’ve always thought that the bright flash of light was from the high beams suddenly coming on on the white car, that was sitting idle there in anticipation of their car coming through the tunnel. After blinding the driver, the lights were switched back off and it then then sped away, on purpose and on que.
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[google=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8263501370427267909#:39rccgp5][/google:39rccgp5]
this might be out of subject, but accusations ahead of time that driver was drunk to blame sounds similar scenario. Perfectly organized murder of Diana and her lover by ............. Then I remember the driver was not dead as they announced, he died later at the hospital or maybe was killed to death so he could not say a word. There was intentionally broken part of the vehicle apparently, could be breaks or wheel..... As we know, the "investigation" was successfully closed and the only victims were two young lives.
As for Paris name, her full name is Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson, Prince's legal name is Michael Joseph Jackson Jr. (commonly known as Prince), "Prince" probably is a nick name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ja ... 80.9399.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#HIStory.2C_second_marriage_and_fatherhood_.281995.E2.80.9399.29)
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Scorpion, I know the names of the kids, I just don't think those are their real names.
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In this video you can see, I think the photo of Diana in the ambulance.
After being pronounced dead at the hospital was immediately embalmed making it impossible to do the autopsy. the scene was cleaned and opened to public in 2 hours, the body of Dodi Al Fayed was cremated.
All this is really really scary
[youtube:118ynbob]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKB0QHXVbqI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:118ynbob]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKB0QHXV ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKB0QHXVbqI&feature=player_embedded)
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... And speaking of Tohme Tohme, i believe that was said at the beginning that had dismissed the staff who worked in the house on the 1:30 PM,.. and Jermaine declared at the beginning that Tohme is the doctor who was at that moment?
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Paula there is no quote button anymore but, shut up penguin/ Now we’re thinking along the same line.
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The limo left the RITZ at 00:20
The accident happened at 00:26
Two ambulances arrived at 00:26
The ambulance was there for an hour
The ambulance leaves at 01:35 to make a journey to the hospital, 3.7 miles away, which was furthest away to the scene.
The speed of the ambulance was around 12mph.!!!
At 01:55, the ambulance stops..
At 02:06 the ambulance arrives at the Hospital
Emergency staff worked on her for 2 hours, and at 04:00, announced her dead...
This is the video about it all....it is long, but really interesting. They explain why things took that long....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 999940221# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=128114888999940221#)
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hesouttamylife
Paula there is no quote button anymore but, shut up Now we’re thinking along the same line
that you said? , that I not to opine?
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This is an excellent video...
[google=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=128114888999940221#:347xbj2n][/google:347xbj2n]
The limo left the RITZ at 00:20
The accident happened at 00:23.15
Two ambulances arrived at 00:26
The ambulance was there for an hour
The ambulance leaves at 01:35 to make a journey to the hospital, 3.7 miles away, which was furthest away to the scene.
The speed of the ambulance was around 12mph.!!!
At 01:55, the ambulance stops..
At 02:06 the ambulance arrives at the Hospital
Emergency staff worked on her for 2 hours, and at 04:00, announced her dead...
This is the video about it all....it is long, but really interesting. They explain why things took that long....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid) ... 999940221#
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Sorry....I double posted.. :oops: :oops:
Michael Jackson was at the RITZ hotel in Paris on 14th & 15th April, 1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wABhk8-x0jw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wABhk8-x0jw)
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All very interesting, but haven't we got somewhat off topic here guys?! Anyone would think we'd got nothing left to say about hoax v sting court!
If TS doesn't reappear by tomorrow, he's changed his mind about posting at least once a week!
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All very interesting, but haven't we got somewhat off topic here guys?! Anyone would think we'd got nothing left to say about hoax v sting court!
If TS doesn't reappear by tomorrow, he's changed his mind about posting at least once a week!
Ooooppps..just .SLIGHTLY off topic...but that being said, TS might have some sort of Terrible Sickness...
Or maybe its Too Soon......please TS..help !!![attachment=1:1jwdcicw]gdpit_com_96762789_780.gif[/attachment:1jwdcicw]
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=12135)
(http://ministryoftype.co.uk/images/files/pound.jpg)
Managing to last slightly longer than the Half Penny Coin, the One Pound Note was the second of the UK’s legal tender (after decimalisation) to be phased out of circulation. The main reason for it’s demise was the introduction of the One Pound Coin in 1983, which whilst slightly more expensive to manufacture could last for up to 50 times longer than it’s paper equivalent. The note managed to cling on to a place in our wallets until 1988, when on March 11th it was no longer considered a part of the British currency system.
http://www.childofthe1980s.com/2008/02/14/the-one-pound-note/
The slang term for a pound or a number of pounds sterling is 'quid' or 'nicker'
http://www.studyenglishtoday.net/british-money.html
Quid has various meanings:
[...] An abbreviation of the Latin "tertium quid", meaning "third party"
[...] Quid pro quo, the Latin phrase meaning this for that
[/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid
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I have wondered many times who TS really was. He or She put so much time and efforts into this. I've read some accusations for Sousa, like those redirects were nothing but stolen believers' teories and it was done for only attracting people to this forum, but I don't see any advertising on the forum. ANY! So, this means they do it for free. And this is when my wonderings end and are replaced with the words of thanks. Because it's so rarely nowadays that someone would do something without asking for being payed for that.
Apart from this I found this collective thinking rather interesting and enlightening. I, for one don't have much time to follow every event that happens, and of course I skip a lot of things, even if I try to spend every single moment on the internet. And Im glad there are people like TS and all of you, that scrupulously get to the bottom of every detail.
Thank you! bearhug
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I have wondered many times who TS really was. He or She put so much time and efforts into this. I've read some accusations for Sousa, like those redirects were nothing but stolen believers' teories and it was done for only attracting people to this forum, but I don't see any advertising on the forum. ANY! So, this means they do it for free. And this is when my wonderings end and are replaced with the words of thanks. Because it's so rarely nowadays that someone would do something without asking for being payed for that.
Apart from this I found this collective thinking rather interesting and enlightening. I, for one don't have much time to follow every event that happens, and of course I skip a lot of things, even if I try to spend every single moment on the internet. And Im glad there are people like TS and all of you, that scrupulously get to the bottom of every detail.
Thank you! bearhug
Welcome JentleTouch...and yes, I agree totally with your thoughts. It's a rare find to have people who are not in it for the money...I have been consumed with the forum from day one, and I kinds can't wait to get back a normal life again..God bless you.
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Great stuff Chappie and Souza. MJ probably also taught Princess Diana a few things too. I still miss her.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll say!
Excerpt from below:
"Comments in the press often noted the strained relationship between Diana and the Queen Mother, which is understandable if both were aware Diana was the biological daughter of the Queen Mother’s deceased husband; her mother Frances was in the position to have been inseminated 8 years after his death ."
http://www.free-press-release.com/news- ... 62257.html (http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-study-says-princess-diana-may-have-been-prince-charles-aunt-1297362257.html)
http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/ ... -middleton (http://susanmaureenbrandt.yolasite.com/blog/canadian-genetics-researcher-gives-interview-on-british-royals-unethical-use-of-in-vitro-to-preserve-an-heir-to-edward-viii-and-wallis-simpson-and-she-s-kate-middleton)
afraid/
Never heard that before. Gonna read...
On 2nd link, please ensure you select "back" at bottom of page (William and Kate). Ya' can't miss what she writes about Brad Pitt and Angelina being siblings - and Jane Fonda being their mother. Too much! No wonder MJ was trying to keep up with his sperm and DNA.
All true! Disgusting, but true!
This video also answers the question, who are THEY?
[youtube:394q7pdi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miP5s_VQDq8[/youtube:394q7pdi]
Souza we need a *i want to puke* smiley! pale/
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New Film Shows Diana “Very Much Alive” After Car Crash
By VC | May 14th, 2011 | Category: Latest News | 20 comments
(http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/princess-diana-ten-years-e1305375603841.jpg)
One of the first articles I’ve published on Vigilant Citizen was “Princess Diana’s Death and Memorial: The Occult Meaning” which describes the events and the symbolism relating to the ritual sacrifice of Lady Di. While most people still buy the official “accident” story, evidence mounts that an accident was not the cause of Diana’s death, but was actually a set up leading to her murder.
A new film entitled Unlawful Killing (to be released everywhere except the UK) will apparently be showing a pictures of Diana right after the accident…still alive and not dying. Furthermore, the movie will show Diana predicting the circumstances of her death.The movie is backed by Mohamed al-Fayed, the father of Diana’s fiancé who also died that night.
Unlawful Killing will probably not dwell on the occult and ritualistic side of things. It remains, after all, a mass media production. When cover-ups are too sloppy and evidence begin piling disproving them, limited concessions are made to quell the public’s questions. This movie might be a limited concession, where part of the big ugly truth is revealed in order to protect the “bigger uglier truth”. We’ll see.
From the London Telegraph:
The film sets out to prove a cover-up by the “establishment” over the death of Princess Diana. It has caused outrage in sections of the British press and is not scheduled for a UK release.
Directed by actor Keith Allen and backed by Mohamed al-Fayed, father of Dodi, the film is being screened at the 2011 Cannes Film Festival on Friday.
Mr Allen describes his film as an “inquest into the inquest” of Princess Diana’s death. Of the controversial photo, Mr Allen wrote in the Daily Mail: “The photo is not used in the film for the purpose of shock.
“It is included as evidence, because it shows clearly that, although Diana had been injured in the crash, she was alert and very much alive. I repeat: it is not a picture of a dying woman.”
Director Keith Allan about his documentary in The Guardian
Unlawful Killing – the film the British won’t get to see
My documentary about the Diana inquest will be shown everywhere but the UK. Here’s why
The internet is a global lavatory wall, a Rabelaisian mixture of truth, lies, insanity and humour. I felt its power and madness this week, when an excerpt from my new film, Unlawful Killing, was leaked on to YouTube and seized on by US conspiracy theorists, who immediately began claiming that the CIA had murdered Princess Diana, thereby allowing others to dismiss my documentary as mad.
Deriding its critics as mad is an age-old British establishment trick. My “inquest of the inquest” film contains footage of Diana recalling how the royals wanted her consigned to a mental institution, and the inquest coroner repeatedly questioning the sanity of anyone who wondered if the crash was more than an accident. His chief target was Mohamed Al Fayed, a man I once profiled for a Channel 4 documentary. Before I met him, I’d half-believed the media caricature of him as a madman, driven nuts by the death of his son, and wildly accusing the Windsors of having planned the 1997 crash. However, I found a man who was sane and funny but frustrated that Britain wouldn’t hold an inquest into his son’s death. Michael Mansfield QC thought it unfair too, and fought for one to be held; which was why the longest inquest in British legal history eventually began in 2007.
Long before the inquest started, the eminently sane Mansfield had persuaded me that there were suspicious circumstances surrounding the crash, and signs of a cover-up by the authorities. Many journalists agreed, but as the inquest drew near, I noticed that British newspapers (several of which had regularly run “Was Diana Murdered?” pieces) suddenly fell into line, and started insisting that the inquest was a waste of time. They raised no protest when virtually all the key French witnesses refused to participate, nor did they find it odd that not one senior royal was ordered to appear, even though Diana had stated in a lawyer’s note that the Windsors were planning an “accident” to her car. Nor did they raise the issue of possible bias when legal proceedings involving the integrity of the royal family were to be heard in the royal courts of justice before a coroner who’d sworn an oath of allegiance to the Queen.
I felt the need to raise it, so I asked every major UK broadcaster (BBC, ITV, C4, Five, Sky) to commission a TV documentary about the inquest. But they refused even to contemplate such a suggestion, so Associated Rediffusion and I began filming and financing it ourselves. Shortly before the inquest began, Fayed offered to fund our project, so we could make a feature-length cinema documentary instead. We agreed, on condition that we would report events in the way we saw them, and the deal was struck.
Unlawful Killing is not about a conspiracy before the crash, but a provable conspiracy after the crash. A conspiracy organised not by a single scheming arch-fiend, but collectively by the British establishment – judges, lawyers, politicians, police chiefs, secret services, even newspaper editors – all of whom have been appointed to their positions because they are “a safe pair of hands”. Just as compass needles all point north without being told to, so these people instinctively know what is expected of them when the state’s interests are under threat and they act accordingly, quietly suppressing uncomfortable evidence or undermining the credibility of witnesses whose evidence contradicts the official narrative.
Consider just a fraction of what transpired. Over 100 significant witnesses were not called to the inquest, or refused to appear. Blood tests allegedly proving the drunkenness of the driver Henri Paul were deemed “biologically inexplicable” by a toxicologist. A British crash expert found that Diana’s seat belt had not been working. And so on.
Strangest of all was the media coverage of the verdict. Inquest evidence showed conclusively that the crash was caused by an unidentified white Fiat Uno and several unidentified motorcycles, vehicles that were certainly not paparazzi, because uncontested police evidence confirmed that the paparazzi were nowhere near the tunnel at the time of the crash. The jury understood this, bringing in a verdict of “unlawful killing” by unidentified “following vehicles”; yet within seconds, the BBC was misreporting that the jury had blamed the paparazzi, and the rest of the media meekly followed suit. Which is why – three years on – barely anyone realises what the jury’s troubling verdict really was.
Why is the film being premiered next week at Cannes, three years after the inquest ended? Because British lawyers insisted on 87 cuts before any UK release could be contemplated. So rather than butcher the film, or risk legal action, we’re showing it in France, then the US, and everywhere except the UK. Pity, because at a time when the mindless sugar rush of the royal wedding has been sending British Rrepublicans into a diabetic coma, it could act as a welcome antidote.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/n ... car-crash/ (http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-film-shows-diana-%e2%80%9cvery-much-alive%e2%80%9d-after-car-crash/)
Click on the link to view video.
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hesouttamylife
Paula there is no quote button anymore but, shut up Now we’re thinking along the same line
that you said? , that I not to opine?
I think you misunderstood lolol/ We are thinking along the same lines about Tohme Tohme bearhug
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hesouttamylife wrote:
paula-c wrote:
hesouttamylife
Paula there is no quote button anymore but, shut up Now we’re thinking along the same line
that you said? , that I not to opine?
I think you misunderstood We are thinking along the same lines about Tohme Tohme
I'm sorry, i did not understand :mrgreen: bearhug
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=12135)
(http://ministryoftype.co.uk/images/files/pound.jpg)
Managing to last slightly longer than the Half Penny Coin, the One Pound Note was the second of the UK’s legal tender (after decimalisation) to be phased out of circulation. The main reason for it’s demise was the introduction of the One Pound Coin in 1983, which whilst slightly more expensive to manufacture could last for up to 50 times longer than it’s paper equivalent. The note managed to cling on to a place in our wallets until 1988, when on March 11th it was no longer considered a part of the British currency system.
http://www.childofthe1980s.com/2008/02/14/the-one-pound-note/
The slang term for a pound or a number of pounds sterling is 'quid' or 'nicker'
http://www.studyenglishtoday.net/british-money.html
Quid has various meanings:
[...] An abbreviation of the Latin "tertium quid", meaning "third party"
[...] Quid pro quo, the Latin phrase meaning this for that
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid
Just thought I'd add what I found. Same leaves/vines as the FBI. I think they (FBI) are Illuminati.
(http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/un_emblem.gif)
From an interesting site talking about 911, the Illuminati and numerology.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http ... 0gGA3OTrDQ (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/un_emblem.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm&usg=__wl-mq31KvFzz4eWnwppdWwA88pY=&h=178&w=256&sz=38&hl=en&start=59&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=_ePk313t7_iqKM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=111&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dilluminati%2Bsymbols%26start%3D42%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D851%26tbm%3Disch&ei=39XPTeTXEMLt0gGA3OTrDQ)
I also want to mention that the other night I was watching on TV part of a docu-drama about the life of one of the "arab terrorists" connected to Osama BIn Ladin and 911, how he was training and infiltrating, getting ready for the operation, talking about how the west doesn't understand the eastern thinking, etc. It was all re-enacted stuff and well-done. They showed clips of OBL mixed in. The thing that caught my attention was the fact that FBI was mentioned several places. That doesn't make sense if they are helping to cover the murder of 3000 people on 911 by TPTB, and are also helping MJ with his hoax. I'm still telling you this FBI connection does not sit right with me and never has. :(
The other thing sort of related but a little off topic is that I came across this. The Coca Cola company has clearly been supporting/financing(?) MJ's hoax, and this ad shows the eye and horns symbols of Illuminai. confused/ suspicious//
Sunday 01st July 2007
I thought I would send you this image I found off a bottle of coke it shows the all seeing eye with the old satanic 2 finger sign coming out of the top of the all seeing eye.
(http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/symbols/el_diablo/coke.JPG)
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http ... 0gG69IigDg (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/symbols/el_diablo/coke.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.cremationofcare.com/latest_headlines_01072007.htm&usg=__bSIGRT4nM6pbXwco4sbgDGx0Gc8=&h=336&w=574&sz=204&hl=en&start=21&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=lsmjWy-baclywM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=134&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dilluminati%2Bsymbols%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D851%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&ei=TtXPTdy4GsLq0gG69IigDg)
I wish there was an emoticon for banging head against wall. I just can't figure this involvement out.
Please God bow/ or anybody bow/ or TS bow/ . :)
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That's the 'I love you' hand signal.
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things really went way out of topic here.
TS why don't you come here?
You know what guys, I think TS send us to chase ghosts in this thread.
Because he told us the hoax is about a lot of things. More than one goal, in fact he mentioned 7 or 8 goals of the hoax.
So why do we have to dig into the sting or hoax court only confused/ ?
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That's the 'I love you' hand signal.
Yes - it was on the Sydney Harbour Bridge NYE.
[attachment=0:2ocu5g7l]Sydney Fireworks I Love You sign.jpg[/attachment:2ocu5g7l]
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I know that now the discussion is focused on Diana, I do not know if I had posted before, ... but look at the ghost .... Tohme Tohme afraid/ (http://www.halloween.com.es/emoticonos/fantasmas/2770.gif)
:lol:
[youtube:sb4ajrj5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGb9jPRg08o&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:sb4ajrj5]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGb9jPRg ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGb9jPRg08o&feature=player_embedded)
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
Prince is a name in Michael's family that is passed down. Paris is where Paris was born.
Paris was born in California, not in Paris. And why does Katherine call Prince 'Ted' when his name is Prince?
Oh, I apologize! Paris was conceived in Paris, France. I knew Michael had mentioned Paris being named after the city
I think Paris Hilton said that Michael asked her if he could name his daughter Paris.
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TS_comments wrote:
It’s time for another level.
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation). Some have already proposed this possibility, while others have summarily dismissed it. As always, please do not dismiss any theory until it has been thoroughly debunked. And whatever theory you personally believe, try to debunk your own theory; many hoax investigators are still not doing this.
In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS ), etc.
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
example:
Investigations of Public Corruption
Rooting Crookedness Out of Government
03/15/04
(http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2004/march/greylord.jpg)
Today marks an important anniversary in the annals of public corruption investigations in the U.S.
Twenty years ago today, in a federal courtroom in Chicago, a jury found Harold Conn (top center in photo) guilty on all 4 counts of accepting bribes to be passed on to Cook County judges as payment for fixing tickets. The evidence? He had been caught live on FBI tapes.
This "bagman" had been Deputy Traffic Court Clerk in the Cook County judicial system, and he was the first defendant to be found guilty in a mammoth sting investigation of crooked officials in the Cook County courts.
It was called OPERATION GREYLORD, named after the curly wigs worn by British judges. And in the end--through undercover operations that used honest and very courageous judges and lawyers posing as crooked ones... and with the strong assistance of the Cook County court and local police--92 officials had been indicted, including 17 judges, 48 lawyers, 8 policemen, 10 deputy sheriffs, 8 court officials, and 1 state legislator. Nearly all were convicted, most of them pleading guilty (just a few are shown in our photo). It was an important first step to cleaning up the administration of justice in Cook County.
That's really the whole point. Abuse of the public trust cannot and must not be tolerated. Corrupt practices in government strike at the heart of social order and justice. And that's why the FBI has the ticket on investigations of public corruption as a top priority.
How'd that happen? Historically, of course, these cases were considered local matters. A county court clerk taking bribes? Let the county handle it.
But in the 1970s, state and local officials asked for help. They didn't have the resources to handle such intense cases, and they valued the authority and credibility that outside investigators brought to the table. By 1976, the Department of Justice had created a Public Integrity Section, and the FBI was tasked with the investigations, focusing on major, systemic corruption in the body politic.
Who's investigated? Public servants: members of Congress and state legislatures; members of the Administration and governors’ offices; judges and court staffs; all of law enforcement; all government agencies. Plus everyone who works with government and is willing to pay for "special favors": lobbyists, contractors, consultants, lawyers, U.S. businesses in foreign countries, you name it.
What kind of crimes? Bribery, kickbacks, and fraud. Vote buying, voter intimidation, impersonation. Political coercion. Racketeering and obstruction of justice. Trafficking of illegal drugs.
How serious of a problem is it? Last year the FBI investigated 850 cases; brought in 655 indictments/informations; and got 525 who were either convicted or chose to plead.
Last words: Straight from Teddy Roosevelt: "Unless a man is honest we have no right to keep him in public life, it matters not how brilliant his capacity, it hardly matters how great his power of doing good service on certain lines may be...No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community."
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2004/ma ... ord_031504 (http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2004/march/greylord_031504)
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Cops Seek 2nd Person in Jackson Investigation
6/27/2009 1:35 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/06/27/0627_mj_credit_getty_88702030_ex-1.jpg)
Cops want to talk to a second person in their investigation into Michael Jackson's death.
Sources tell TMZ police want to talk to Dr. Tohme Tohme about an "alleged indirect connection" between prescription drugs and MJ's passing.
Dr. Tohme says he's Jackson's longtime friend and manager. He tells us, "I don't have anything to do with his (Michael's) medication or health. This is B.S. -- why should I talk to police?"
Police also plan to interview Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray.
Tohme Tohme was questioned by the police?
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Cops Seek 2nd Person in Jackson Investigation
6/27/2009 1:35 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/06/27/0627_mj_credit_getty_88702030_ex-1.jpg)
Cops want to talk to a second person in their investigation into Michael Jackson's death.
Sources tell TMZ police want to talk to Dr. Tohme Tohme about an "alleged indirect connection" between prescription drugs and MJ's passing.
Dr. Tohme says he's Jackson's longtime friend and manager. He tells us, "I don't have anything to do with his (Michael's) medication or health. This is B.S. -- why should I talk to police?"
Police also plan to interview Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray.
Tohme Tohme was questioned by the police?
wonder if the tohme tohme thing could have had a little of an affect on jermaines actions over the last week?
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where did TS go?? DId he vanish in thin air just like Michael did???
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where did TS go?? DId he vanish in thin air just like Michael did???
He'll be back!
(http://www.biofortified.org/wp-content/uploads//2009/11/terminator-2-judgement-day.jpg)
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Or like Tohme did in the 02 speech entrance scene. He can just suddenly materialize! afraid/
I'm thinking TS knew the royal wedding, the Michael/Diana connection, and upcoming film of Illegal Killing might enter into discussion of national/governmental crime. Is he quietly reading and waiting for the right things from us, or is he busy elsewhere and barely squeezing this into his busy career or hoax schedule? It seems that this 3rd level of hoax or sting court was impossible to answer in a small local manner, and quickly grew international. The FBI, the CIA, and the British Secret Intelligence Service seem somehow connected, to me.
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Or like Tohme did in the 02 speech entrance scene. He can just suddenly materialize! afraid/
I'm thinking TS knew the royal wedding, the Michael/Diana connection, and upcoming film of Illegal Killing might enter into discussion of national/governmental crime. Is he quietly reading and waiting for the right things from us, or is he busy elsewhere and barely squeezing this into his busy career or hoax schedule? It seems that this 3rd level of hoax or sting court was impossible to answer in a small local manner, and quickly grew international. The FBI, the CIA, and the British Secret Intelligence Service seem somehow connected, to me.
Maybe we are on the right track ,that's why he is avoiding us.
Remember someone asked, can you tell us anything about Tohme and he bluntly said NO.
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Or like Tohme did in the 02 speech entrance scene. He can just suddenly materialize! afraid/
I'm thinking TS knew the royal wedding, the Michael/Diana connection, and upcoming film of Illegal Killing might enter into discussion of national/governmental crime. Is he quietly reading and waiting for the right things from us, or is he busy elsewhere and barely squeezing this into his busy career or hoax schedule? It seems that this 3rd level of hoax or sting court was impossible to answer in a small local manner, and quickly grew international. The FBI, the CIA, and the British Secret Intelligence Service seem somehow connected, to me.
Maybe we are on the right track ,that's why he is avoiding us.
Remember someone asked, can you tell us anything about Tohme and he bluntly said NO.
I wonder why he said NO ??????
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Or like Tohme did in the 02 speech entrance scene. He can just suddenly materialize! afraid/
I'm thinking TS knew the royal wedding, the Michael/Diana connection, and upcoming film of Illegal Killing might enter into discussion of national/governmental crime. Is he quietly reading and waiting for the right things from us, or is he busy elsewhere and barely squeezing this into his busy career or hoax schedule? It seems that this 3rd level of hoax or sting court was impossible to answer in a small local manner, and quickly grew international. The FBI, the CIA, and the British Secret Intelligence Service seem somehow connected, to me.
Maybe we are on the right track ,that's why he is avoiding us.
Remember someone asked, can you tell us anything about Tohme and he bluntly said NO.
I wonder why he said NO ??????
I think it's because he knows more than he is telling us?
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About Thome..Have you ever consider the possibility that he is actually the one of those that are in the know and help him since the very beginning? Of course I read Michael was scared of him and another stuff that putting Thome in a bad light but those were just the words.
If you have already discuss this, please let me know where I can read that. Thanx
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the information of michael being afraid of thome came from june gatlin , correct? is that the only source? and that was on tape. we have seen and heard so many things that are fake how can we just assume this is real. :? on the other hand we did see thome with his hands on michael seemingly in an agressive manner .
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the information of michael being afraid of thome came from june gatlin , correct? is that the only source? and that was on tape. we have seen and heard so many things that are fake how can we just assume this is real. :? on the other hand we did see thome with his hands on michael seemingly in an agressive manner .
You mean the photos from the pressconference?
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I don't have time now, but I'd like to place a pic of MJ at 02 and MJ out and about two years ago yesterday, May, 15,2009. I can see them in my mind's eye now, and their skin tone is different.
Thome-Thome and MJ were the only ones that knew about the $5.5M. How great those two.
I still say that Thome-Thome is representing the Business Mind of MJ. If people believe that Thome-Thome had something to do with MJ's "death", then why are they here? Is MJ alive or not?
I think this is more of an ARG/DOC/Film than anything else. I think the FBI got involved mainly to help Clear MJ, hence the 333 pages of FBI files. He probably pleaded with them, and paid them a pretty piece to let him finally live his life freely. I think he is in a committed relationship with Ms. Ross and etc. I think MJ told the FBI that he'd paid his dues and etc. Now he is showing up everywhere (Dave-Dave Larry King - Planet Hollywood - etc), and he is having fun.
Case in point, what did he tell Geraldo again? "IT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN." "there are a few surprises." "film. We're going to do film." Both MJ's parents can sing. The whole family can perform and act. They had a FANTASTIC Variety Show. "The Jacksons Are Coming." ETC.
The last thing we saw MJ do related to the NWO was in them showing him rehearsing for TDRCAU. Before that, please read the Jessie Jackson interview he did in 2005. After that, nothing related to the NWO. I believe MJ has always tried to alert us to be aware and wake up, but I'm not of the mind that his entire strategy having to do w/this HOAX is IN ORDER TO EXPOSE THE NWO. Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me as being his entire motivation.
MJ's deserve to be happy finally. I hope he is, and especailly to the extent he can whilst knowing the evil agenda of the ones that have always been like that. Remember his words in his song, "I can't so it by myself." No one should expect him to.
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I do have strong feelings towards Tohme being instrumental in taking part in what ever activities necessitated Michael to be gone. That in no way cofirms or suggests that I believe michael is dead, so it does not negate my being here. I belong here. I also do believe the NWO is involved in this and that Michael's reasons were for his safety. Who's to say which theory is right or wrong? Until and unless Michael comes out and says so himself, nothing is written in stone. Not even at Forest Lawn.
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TS never posted last week.
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the information of michael being afraid of thome came from june gatlin , correct? is that the only source? and that was on tape. we have seen and heard so many things that are fake how can we just assume this is real. :? on the other hand we did see thome with his hands on michael seemingly in an agressive manner .
There was a tape that Michael was telling June that he was afraid of him. He was doing all his businesses, and telling him who to see and what to do.. I don't know where the thread is. If I find the youtube video I will post it.. blessings.
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what kind of name is Tohme Tohme?
Is this his real full name?
I can't find informations about him.
he's a native of Lebanon :?
MJ had a real talent to attract the strangest people...
At least i would want to know If Tohme is under the sign of the Lion but I would say yes he is under the sign of the Lion.
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I was reading that Jermaine was the one introducing Tohme to Michael.
They were also together at UCLA announcing Michael's death.
Tohme Ramez Tohme - his name
But I am reading Michael fired him back in March 2009 WTH is happening here ?
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Now I'm reading that Tohme was married with Randy Phillips' sister afraid/
hmmmm...I better stop here before I start to believe Tohme is involved in a conspiracy to murder Michael :( pale/
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GINAFELICIA wrote:
Now I'm reading that Tohme was married with Randy Phillips' sister
hmmmm...I better stop here before I start to believe Tohme is involved in a conspiracy to murder Michael
noo, and Jermaine and the whole family .. I believe that the family never talks about Tohme Tohme rr/
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The events of 11 September 2001 and the threat from global terrorism have put the structure and composition of the US Intelligence Community under intense scrutiny. An important question in this debate over the organization of US intelligence resources is what role, if any, the Federal Bureau of Investigation should play in meeting the intelligence requirements of the US government in the 21st century. Many wonder whether an organization built to investigate breaches of law can rework itself into an organization capable of predicting and preventing acts of terrorism.
With the FBI's future status in the Intelligence Community uncertain, this seems an especially appropriate moment to review the Bureau's role in the earliest development of US intelligence capabilities. One of the most interesting, but least documented, chapters in the history of the FBI is the experience of its Special Intelligence Service (SIS) during World War II. Established in 1940, the FBI's SIS was the first foreign-intelligence bureaucracy in US history, created years before the Central Intelligence Agency and even before the Agency's forerunner, William "Wild Bill" Donovan's Office of Strategic Services (OSS).
The SIS was responsible for intelligence and counterintelligence activities in the entire Western Hemisphere. Although it was part of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and the Department of Justice, the SIS worked at the behest of the State Department, collecting political, economic, financial, and industrial intelligence throughout Central and South America.1 Through the work of an extensive and diligent network of undercover FBI special agents and later legal attaches officially attached to US legations, the Service excelled in its responsibilities.
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for- ... cle05.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol48no1/article05.html)
Like MJ said he would be in the bed with Orianthi and the aerialist, so the CIA, the SIS and the FBI are in bed together .
I know it really looks like the leaf shadows on the ambu pic are the signature stamp left by the FBI, and Marlon's FBI cap is confirming it, but on the other hand it could be a subtle poking fun at them. All levels of authority FBI, LAFD, and LAPD, media, and more were involved with MJ previously and he may have just the right number of well-placed friends in high places to pull this off, not involving the entire big (bad) FBI. I'm thinking the FBI's purpose is protecting the "genetically related" ruling class and the NWO agenda, not really the common man's well-being (sadly) although they try to make it appear that they do. Perhaps TS is only wanting us to dig into the FBI involvement idea, debunk it, not take his saying it as fact. This all is such a quandry all around. A can of worms. crash/ confused/
Keeps me here! lolol/
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the information of michael being afraid of thome came from june gatlin , correct? is that the only source? and that was on tape. we have seen and heard so many things that are fake how can we just assume this is real. :? on the other hand we did see thome with his hands on michael seemingly in an agressive manner .
There was a tape that Michael was telling June that he was afraid of him. He was doing all his businesses, and telling him who to see and what to do.. I don't know where the thread is. If I find the youtube video I will post it.. blessings.
Michael was saying that all his bank accounts and money issues were under Tohme's control and he was afraid of him. I watched that too.
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TS,
Aren't you a little bit late?
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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18728
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Tohme at "This Is It" Première
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... &mode=view (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=6350&mode=view)
Is Tohme tohme :?:
The video is not available
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEQ55ip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEQ55ip) ... tube_gdata
credits: makethatchange MJHD.NET
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TS,
Aren't you a little bit late?
(http://i53.tinypic.com/xbwmdt.jpg)
I told you he vanished in Thin air just like Michael. lol
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TS - are you a Top Secret FBI agent? :lol: :shock: Are we helping with your investigation??
But seriously TS, any input you have would be greatly appreciated, as always. I think we've made some progress but we're all over the place it seems.
I still go with a hoax court with some sting elements to suss out certain shady characters in Michael's life, as well as targeting certain "power people/families" in the world. Michael's influence and contacts are world wide so I definitely think it's possible the FBI are cooperating with Michael to expose media lies/coverups/murders/terrorist attacks, etc, perhaps with the help of Michael's influential friends across the globe. If this is not what you're getting at TS, why the re-directs to such things in the early days of TIAI? Connect the dots, right? Hopefully without getting the lines crossed and all mixed-up.
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If the FBI really wants a BIG sting, they should be going after the entire NWO globalist organization, including the intelligence communities, UN, IMF, banksters, Fed Reserve, current and former leaders of this country and big member corporations - especially the ones with government contracts. Sure, you can start on the local level with the police, DA, city council or whoever you like if you want to, but eventually it all trees up to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, that's right, the one with the eye on top. I have little doubt all of MJ's cases are related to this. Even a 3rd grader with an average IQ and grade point average can see what these elitists are doing. It's not a big secret anymore (although they think so). It's so obvious and too many people know the truth now. Alex Jones has been on their tails for years, has all the proof and evidence. Even I wrote him off as a crazy conspiracy theorist once but now his audience has tripled in just the past few months alone. It's all laid out for those who like to investigate things. Hummm, "conspiracy". Sure has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that word uttered before, I wonder? Nearly every politician no matter what party they are affiliated with are in on it too so it's no easy task to bring these guys down. IF the FBI hasn't given into the dark side yet themselves, there may still be hope. Otherwise, WE are the last and only line of defense remaining. There's a bigger peoples' investigation happening out there. This one is just the tip of the iceberg but I sense related. Revolutions aren't just limited to third world countries either. Something has to give and it better be soon or thats just what we will have.
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If the FBI really wants a BIG sting, they should be going after the entire NWO globalist organization, including the intelligence communities, UN, IMF, banksters, Fed Reserve, current and former leaders of this country and big member corporations - especially the ones with government contracts. Sure, you can start on the local level with the police, DA, city council or whoever you like if you want to, but eventually it all trees up to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, that's right, the one with the eye on top. I have little doubt all of MJ's cases are related to this. Even a 3rd grader with an average IQ and grade point average can see what these elitists are doing. It's not a big secret anymore (although they think so). It's so obvious and too many people know the truth now. Alex Jones has been on their tails for years, has all the proof and evidence. Even I wrote him off as a crazy conspiracy theorist once but now his audience has tripled in just the past few months alone. It's all laid out for those who like to investigate things. Hummm, "conspiracy". Sure has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that word uttered before, I wonder? Nearly every politician no matter what party they are affiliated with are in on it too so it's no easy task to bring these guys down. IF the FBI hasn't given into the dark side yet themselves, there may still be hope. Otherwise, WE are the last and only line of defense remaining. There's a bigger peoples' investigation happening out there. This one is just the tip of the iceberg but I sense related. Revolutions aren't just limited to third world countries either. Something has to give and it better be soon or thats just what we will have.
You tell em' Tigger...and welcome to the madhouse we call home.. lolol/ lolol/ lolol/
Tohme R Tohme was seen everywhere up until his MJ's disappearance..then, conveniently, hands back alot of cash to the family..things that make you go hmmmmmm..
He "supervises" MJ at the 02 announcement and seems to "own" him. All we can go on, is what we read and see. To me, this guy is very "Fishy"...part of a bigger plan.
TS...Tohme Sucks
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If the FBI really wants a BIG sting, they should be going after the entire NWO globalist organization, including the intelligence communities, UN, IMF, banksters, Fed Reserve, current and former leaders of this country and big member corporations - especially the ones with government contracts. Sure, you can start on the local level with the police, DA, city council or whoever you like if you want to, but eventually it all trees up to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, that's right, the one with the eye on top. I have little doubt all of MJ's cases are related to this. Even a 3rd grader with an average IQ and grade point average can see what these elitists are doing. It's not a big secret anymore (although they think so). It's so obvious and too many people know the truth now. Alex Jones has been on their tails for years, has all the proof and evidence. Even I wrote him off as a crazy conspiracy theorist once but now his audience has tripled in just the past few months alone. It's all laid out for those who like to investigate things. Hummm, "conspiracy". Sure has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that word uttered before, I wonder? Nearly every politician no matter what party they are affiliated with are in on it too so it's no easy task to bring these guys down. IF the FBI hasn't given into the dark side yet themselves, there may still be hope. Otherwise, WE are the last and only line of defense remaining. There's a bigger peoples' investigation happening out there. This one is just the tip of the iceberg but I sense related. Revolutions aren't just limited to third world countries either. Something has to give and it better be soon or thats just what we will have.
If we are the last and only line of defense - they have nothing to fear about.
Anyway, if we look back in the history, all empires have a natural cicle of life, they rise - glow and eventually fall.
Are the NWO organisations better than that?
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The FBI or any other Gov intelligence will not go after their own. They are part of NWO. However key players outside and in, have a purpose to uncover the people in Michael's life that meant him harm, that work for members of the elite. Once in the courtoom it will become appearent who these people are and they will ultimately tell on themselves because they have not been prepared all along for Michael to do what he has done. They now think he is gone, so they will show their true colors, as where they would not to his face or to the public while he was here.
We will then see just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Most of the people on the surface don't know who they work for, they are just the puppets, paid well for what they do. It most likely is a sting of a whole different kind.
God Be with US. We know he is, and the only one that can fix this mess. It is all out of our control.
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Tohme Tohme... Reminds me of that double headed ssssnake in L7W's video. suspicious//
No doubt two faced Tohme is part of this tangled web. Here's some of my notes from conversations with Kitty & friend last year:
At the death announcement, why was he there? How did he know so quickly and to pretend to be a representative? What's up with the money he took & returned? Hand caught in the cookie jar?
kittycat
MJ took the precaution of having Rev. Gatlin tape conversations where he expressed fear and distrust of Tohme, and the fact that he'd done a background check. Evidence and a bit of insurance, I think Phil Anschutz and Tom Barack have shady business pasts too, and apparently go back a long ways. I think MJ was coerced into this from the beginning. Did you know Barak (Colony Capitol) owns 1200 acres adjacent to Neverland, that he is heavily invested in gambling in Nevada and had plans for "Thriller themed" casinos on Neverland? Think MJ went along with that?
kittycat
Forgot to add that it all started with Tohme who, it seems, was already working for Colony when he "suggested" MJ meet Barak and discuss refinancing Neverland. This preceded by Jermaine introducing MJ to Tohme as a potential financial advisor. Tohme said he'd talked MJ out of a 6 month residency in Vegas and into the AEG concerts in London. He "convinced MJ that summer in England would be better for the kids than summer in Las Vegas." The Vegas shows would have paid MJ $100M. Tohme is on the payroll of one of the backers of This Is It. (Colony Cap) From the London Eve.
I think MJ went to someone high up in law enforcement for help--coercion & racketeering (one of the criteria for Witness Protection), then the request for a favor in return-assisting the DEA. Putting the 2 together explains everything & nothing else does.
kittycat
Business time line MJ is BRILLIANT!! Watch the dates. mj_dance/
Michael Jackson's original loan holder, Fortress Investment Group, slated Neverland Ranch for public auction if the loan, exceeding $24M, remained unpaid on March 19, 2008. MJ managed a last-ditch deal with Fortress by March 13, 2008. In May 2008 Colony Capital buys the loan - this is where Tohme introduced MJ & Tom Barrak of Colony. I don't know when Tohme met Jermaine, but I'd bet he pursued him as a way to get to MJ. Part of the deal with Colony was that MJ could put off making payments for a while in exchange for more $$ down the road. In Sept 2008 MJ has Rev June Gatlin record conversations where he expresses fear & distrust of Tohme. In Nov 2008 MJ transfers ownership of Neverland to Sycamore Valley Ranch Co. LLC - Neverland was called Sycamore Valley Ranch when MJ bought it. A listing on the CA Sec of State web site does not ID the owners of SVR Co but it has the same Century City address as Colony Capital. USA Today reports MJ filed a grant deed on the ranch showing SVR Co as the owner of Neverland, and that SVR Co is a joint venture between MJ & Colony Capital. So 2 months after the Gatlin phone recordings MJ retains part ownership of Neverland, which his estate now controls. Tom Barrak cannot develop the land without their participation. End of 08 or beginning of 09 MJ rehires trusted legal/mgmt team. These lawyers turn out to be executors of his will Oh What a Surprise. Jan April 2009 Nurse Lee treats MJ as nutritionist. She runs blood tests & gives vit/mineral IV-sees no sign of drug use. Feb 2009 MJ passes ins physical/drug test. lolol/
April 2009 Tohme sends James Weller of TRW Advertising (Tohme Rogich Weller) to see Darren Julien of Julien's Auction House Beverly Hills. Long story short ask if you want it -on Tohme's instructions Julien's life is threatened if he goes ahead with the auction of MJ's possessions taken from Neverland on Tohme's authority. LAPD are involved & the dispute is settled, sort of. As of Sept 2009 Tohme had not returned these items to the estate. May 2009 MJ fires Tohme with Frank DiLeo's help. It is assumed the Auction House incident is the last straw, but maybe it was EVIDENCE! On being fired the next month Tohme threatens MJ & his family. May 2009 is when Dr Murray starts work for MJ . Kai Chase is rehired. Aug 2009 Chief Bratton's surprise departure from LAPD-now heads a co that provides Justice Dept program support. E Taylor once described MJ as cunning. Now I see what she meant! mj_bad/
...and I bet MJ set Tohme up at the Oliver event, to have Dr. Tohme's abusive behavior, get caught in pictures. What do you think?
Tom Barrak is One of Tohme Tohme's many identities is of a US citizen of Lebanese decent raised in LA. Fresh out of USC law school Barrak was sent by his employer to Saudi Arabia for 4 1/2 years. Tohme has another identity as an orthopedic surgeon from Saudi Arabia. Both men are in their early 60s. Tom Barrak/Colony Capital is heavily invested in gambling. Very long story short, those investments were not paying off. According to NBC he was charged with realestate fraud and making threats in the 90s. He goes on to tell AP he was working with others to renegotiate the terms of MJs main assets: the Sony/ATV catalog & the MiJac catalog that owns MJs own music.
Tohme says he talked MJ into the AEG deal saying summer in Vagas would be better for the kids than summer in England. Remember TRW Advertising? Tohme, Rogich, Weller. James Weller was the one who, on Tohme's orders, threatened Darren Julien of Julien's Auction House. LAPD had to get involved. Tom Barrak held 2 days of tours & lavish parties (at Neverland) to tell locals he had no plans to make Neverland a West Coast Graceland (despite Tohme's claims that's just what MJ wanted), lawyers for one of his companies filed 20 trademark applications for the names Neverland, Neverland Ranch…Thriller themed casino. This on Aug 12. This request was hurriedly abandoned Sept 8 after the story leaked & Joe Jackson told the media Colony Cap cannot do this without our permission.
I watched that entire Elvis series--so glad you sent it, mmlj is watching it now. If you read my entire channel you know she and I got together from my asking her medical opinions....I had concluded MJ was being forced into more than he could or wanted to do with TII by AEG & Colony. It seemed that with his background check on Tohme that he mentions to Rev Gatlin, so conveniently on tape, he found proof of coercion and racketeering. Mmlj had thought from day one that he was somehow involved in a DEA sting, something she knows about first hand. She just couldn't figure out why. We put out theories together and it seemed to explain everything. Then to see that Elvis most likely did the same thing! It really does look like "they" tried to correct the flaws in Elvis' death with MJs.
If fans didn't pay such close attention and have the internet, it might have worked. elvis_/
:D albino/
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The FBI or any other Gov intelligence will not go after their own. They are part of NWO. However key players outside and in, have a purpose to uncover the people in Michael's life that meant him harm, that work for members of the elite. Once in the courtoom it will become appearent who these people are and they will ultimately tell on themselves because they have not been prepared all along for Michael to do what he has done. They now think he is gone, so they will show their true colors, as where they would not to his face or to the public while he was here.
We will then see just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Most of the people on the surface don't know who they work for, they are just the puppets, paid well for what they do. It most likely is a sting of a whole different kind.
God Be with US. We know he is, and the only one that can fix this mess. It is all out of our control.
Plus, they had probably felt so completely relaxed that things of late are beginning to make them feel a little bit on edge now, hearing all the hoax stuff in the news, on twitter. Like :shock: is it possible? Can it be errrr errrr . Case in point Klein calling out other people who were doing wrong cuz he ain't going down this road by himself. So he's gonna drag everybody with him lolol/ lolol/ Those who thought they were scotch free and that the dead can't talk are probably seriously having cause to re-think themselves. Look now, at a different picture. Alls I can say is, in the words of the Maestro himself: they should all feel very threatened afraid/ lolol/
You should be watching me, you should feel threatened
While you sleep, while you creep, you should be threatened...
You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you...
I am the living dead
the dark thoughts in your head
I heard just what you said
That’s why you’ve got to be threatened by me
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Oh TS come on, how long are you going to stay away? I miss you :(
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I am looking for information on Tohme Tohme, the forum is no information about it at this link. In the video below in the second minute he is seen arriving at the hospital with a man white-haired , .. after he appears with Jermaine at the time of the declaration?, also seen in another video to accompany the "body of Michael" to the helicopter confused/ :?
[youtube:2q8xc9dn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyjGr1WDW0&feature=player_embedded#at=79[/youtube:2q8xc9dn]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyjGr1W ... dded#at=79 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyjGr1WDW0&feature=player_embedded#at=79)
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9545 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9545)
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I was just looking at the FBI website to see if there is any developments or news on recent cases (that MJ could of had a hand in).
I don't think I have found any, but I found two articles on Public Corruption in the justice system.I guess it is all too fimilar for corruption in the justice system to occur.
http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2011/former-new-york-state-senator-and-putnam-county-executive-elect-sentenced-to-21-months-in-prison-on-obstruction-of-justice-and-tax-charges
Former New York State Senator and Putnam County Executive-Elect Sentenced to 21 Months in Prison on Obstruction of Justice and Tax Charges
PREET BHARARA, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced that former New York State Senator VINCENT L. LEIBELL, III, 64, of Putnam County, New York, was sentenced today in White Plains federal court to 21 months in prison for obstructing a federal grand jury investigation into his extortion of cash payments from lawyers working in Putnam County and for failing to report on his income tax returns tens of thousands of dollars in cash payments he had received from those lawyers. He was sentenced by United States District Judge WARREN W. EGINTON.
U.S. Attorney PREET BHARARA said, “Today’s sentencing of former Senator Vincent Leibell ends a sad chapter in the history of Putnam County. It should serve as a sobering reminder to all public officials throughout New York State that no one is above the law.”
According to the information filed in White Plains federal court and information revealed during the plea proceeding and the sentencing:
Since April 2010, a federal grand jury sitting in the Southern District of New York, the FBI, and the IRS had been investigating allegations that, as a New York state senator, LEIBELL had unlawfully extorted cash payments from attorneys doing business in Putnam County. The investigation focused on whether LEIBELL had demanded and received cash payments from an attorney, described in the information as Attorney #1, who provided legal services to a Putnam County-based not-for-profit organization (the “NFP”) that received millions of dollars in New York state senate member item grants that LEIBELL sponsored as a state senator. The investigation focused on whether LEIBELL had threatened to cause the NFP to refuse to pay the invoices Attorney #1 submitted to the NFP for legal services that he had rendered to the NFP unless he agreed to give half of the invoiced amount of money to LEIBELL in cash.
LEIBELL became aware of the investigation in late April 2010. He then began meeting with Attorney #1 to discuss what he should say when approached by federal agents.
On June 6, 2010, at LEIBELL’s request, Attorney #1 met with him in Carmel, New York, to discuss the pending federal investigation. During the June 6, 2010, meeting, LEIBELL repeatedly directed Attorney #1 to lie to federal investigators about the cash payments he had previously made to LEIBELL. LEIBELL instructed Attorney #1 to falsely say that he had never made cash payments to LEIBELL, and that when investigators questioned him about cash withdrawals Attorney #1 made from his bank account to pay LEIBELL, he should falsely say that he withdrew the money to have around in case of a national or family emergency and that he used the money for living expenses, including caring for his elderly mother.
During the meeting, LEIBELL repeatedly urged Attorney #1 to maintain their false denials, stating: “You and I say there was never any cash relationship. Period ... Since you and I are in agreement, it didn’t happen ... All I know is, as long as you and I are consistent, I’m fine, you’re fine. There was never any cash between you and I, okay?”
LEIBELL also was sentenced today on related tax crimes for filing false federal income tax returns with the IRS for the tax years 2003 through 2006. LEIBELL failed to report at least $43,000 in cash he received during these years from Attorney #1 and another attorney described in the information as Attorney #2.
LEIBELL, who resigned his New York state senate seat effective on December 3, 2010, was scheduled to be sworn in as Putnam County executive on January 1, 2011. Because of his guilty plea, he was never sworn in as Putnam County executive.
In addition to his prison term, Judge EGINTON ordered LEIBELL to pay a fine in the amount of $4,000 and serve three years of supervised release.
Mr. BHARARA praised the work of the FBI and the IRS Criminal Investigation Division. He added that the investigation is ongoing.
This case is being handled by the Office’s White Plains Division. Assistant U.S. Attorneys PERRY A. CARBONE and JASON P.W. HALPERIN are in charge of the prosecution.
http://www.fbi.gov/baltimore/press-releases/2011/former-prince-georges-county-executive-jack-johnson-pleads-guilty-to-federal-extortion-and-bribery
Former Prince George’s County Executive Jack Johnson Pleads Guilty to Federal Extortion and Bribery
GREENBELT, MD—Former Prince George’s County Executive Jack B. Johnson, age 62, of Mitchellville, Maryland, pleaded guilty today to an extortion conspiracy relating to the performance of his official duties and tampering with a witness and evidence. The guilty plea was taken by United States Senior District Judge Peter J. Messitte.
After the hearing, the court unsealed records of three related cases. Former Director of the Prince George’s County Department of Housing and Community Development (DHCD) James Edward Johnson, age 66, of Temple Hills, Maryland, pleaded guilty on January 28, 2011 to conspiracy to commit extortion. James Johnson and Jack Johnson are not related. Dr. Mirza Hussain Baig, age 67, of Burtonsville, Maryland, pleaded guilty on April 11, 2011 to conspiracy to commit extortion in connection with paying bribes to Jack Johnson and James Johnson. Patrick Q. Ricker, age 52, of Bowie, Maryland, pleaded guilty on December 30, 2009 to conspiring to commit honest services fraud and to make false statements to the Federal Election Commission; and to tax evasion. These three guilty pleas were previously entered under seal.
The guilty pleas were announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein; Special Agent in Charge Richard A. McFeely of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; and Special Agent in Charge Rebecca Sparkman of the Internal Revenue Service - Criminal Investigation, Washington, D.C. Field Office.
“Electing and appointing men and women of good character is important,” said U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein. “But the key to honest government is to create a culture of integrity by establishing checks and balances that promote accountability. People who seek government benefits or approvals deserve to be evaluated on the merits, without being extorted or losing out to competitors who pay bribes.”
“This case demonstrates the FBI’s continued commitment to rooting out corruption at all levels of government,” said Special Agent in Charge Richard A. McFeely of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. “While Jack Johnson’s guilty plea today shines a bright light on the crimes he and his associates committed, it is not the end of the FBI’s investigation into corruption in Prince George’s County. The FBI will devote all available resources to bring corrupt public officials and their criminal associates to justice.”
“IRS Criminal Investigation will use our financial expertise to expose any public official who thinks that the normal course of doing business involves bribes and kickbacks,” stated Rebecca A. Sparkman, IRS Special Agent in Charge. “The public has the right to know that those who work for them are doing so honestly.”
Jack Johnson was Prince George’s County Executive from 2002 to December 2010. Prior to 2002, Jack Johnson was the county’s State’s Attorney. In September 2009, Jack Johnson appointed James Johnson to serve as the director of DHCD, which administered the HOME Investment Partnerships program to provide federal grants to states and localities to fund the construction, purchase, and/or rehabilitation of affordable housing for rent or home-ownership. As housing director, James Johnson had authority to recommend which developers would receive HOME funds for development projects in the county and to grant the developers exceptions from regulatory requirements.
Patrick Ricker is a developer in Prince George’s County, a licensed real estate broker in Maryland and the president of Ricker Brothers, Inc. Ricker and his co-conspirators had an interest in Greenbelt Metropark, which sought to design, develop and build a mixed-use project near the Greenbelt Metro Station, called Greenbelt Station. Ricker and his co-conspirators also had an interest in Day Homes, which was incorporated to construct single family homes in Maryland, and was involved in several development projects in the county.
Mirza Baig is a physician and the president of Laurel Lakes Primary Care, LLC located in Laurel, Maryland. Further, Baig owned Baig Ventures, which was a commercial and residential developer in the county since at least 1992.
According to Jack Johnson’s guilty plea, from 2003 through at least November 12, 2010, Jack Johnson was part of a conspiracy in which Baig, Ricker, and other business persons offered things of value, including money, trip expenses, meals, drinks, hotel rooms, airline tickets, rounds of golf, employment, mortgage payments, and monetary and in-kind campaign contributions to Jack and James Johnson and other state and local government officials. Baig and James Johnson pleaded guilty to being part of the conspiracy from 2006 through 2010, and Ricker pleaded guilty to being part of the conspiracy from about 1997 through at least September 11, 2008.
In exchange for the bribes, Jack Johnson, James Johnson, and other county officials performed and agreed to perform favorable official actions for Baig, Ricker, and other developers, business owners and their companies. The official acts included obtaining a waiver of a HOME Program regulation, securing millions of dollars in HOME funds; assisting in the acquisition of surplus property and land from the county for development by certain developers, including Baig and Ricker; providing the conspirators with non-public county information; obtaining necessary state and local approvals and permits for certain developments and businesses in the county, including Greenbelt Station, one of Ricker’s projects; obtaining employment with the county; obtaining management rights for county bond funds; obtaining county funding for certain developments and businesses in the county; assisting with state and county legislation regarding liquor store hours; influencing certain County officials to approve and/or facilitate county business; and, securing county commitments to lease property from certain developers at developments in the county.
According to Jack Johnson’s plea agreement, during a six month period in 2005, Baig provided Jack Johnson with six payments of $1,500 in cash, in exchange for Johnson’s assistance concerning several development projects. In addition, Jack Johnson admitted that Baig paid him $50,000 in return for his assistance in obtaining county employment for one of Baig’s associates as a physician at Prince George’s County Hospital and provided another $100,000 check for assistance in getting HOME funds for one of Baig’s projects.
According to Ricker’s plea agreement, state and local officials concealed items they received from Ricker and his co-conspirators by failing to report them or by misrepresenting their nature and value. Further, Ricker and his co-conspirators concealed campaign contributions to the state and local officials that were above state and federal legal limits by using conduits and in-kind contributions. Specifically, Ricker admitted that he recruited “straw donors,” including family members and employees, to make state and federal campaign contributions with funds provided by or reimbursed by Ricker and his co-conspirators. Ricker also provided in-kind contributions to conceal the actual amount of his campaign contributions, such as campaign signs, food, alcohol and the administrative services of their employees and family members.
According to their plea agreements, Baig paid Jack and James Johnson between $400,000 and $1 million in bribes in connection with the scheme.
Additionally, Jack Johnson admits that just prior to his arrest on November 12, 2010, he and a co-conspirator exchanged a series of telephone calls. During one of those calls, as federal agents were knocking on the door of Johnson’s home to execute a search warrant, Johnson told the co-conspirator to destroy the $100,000 check provided to Johnson by Baig and to hide cash that he had hidden in their home. Specifically, Jack Johnson admitted that he told the co-conspirator to flush the check down the toilet and hide the cash in her underwear. Federal agents entered the home and recovered approximately $79,600 from the co-conspirator.
Ricker further admits that in an attempt to evade income tax owed to the U.S. government for tax years 2004 to 2007, he under-reported his taxable income by a total of more than $1.1 million.
Jack Johnson faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison for the extortion conspiracy. James Johnson and Mirza Baig face a maximum sentence of five years in prison for the conspiracy to commit extortion, and Patrick Ricker faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison for the honest services fraud and false statements conspiracy. Jack Johnson also faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison for witness and evidence tampering. Patrick Ricker also faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison for tax evasion. Judge Messitte set sentencing for Jack Johnson on September 15, 2011 at 9:30 a.m. Mirza Baig is scheduled for sentencing on July 14, 2011 at 9:30 a.m. No sentencing dates have been scheduled to date for James Johnson and Patrick Ricker.
The case pending against Leslie Johnson is unaffected by Jack Johnson’s guilty plea.
United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein praised the FBI and IRS-CI for their work in the investigation. Mr. Rosenstein thanked Assistant United States Attorneys James A. Crowell IV, A. David Copperthite, and Sujit Raman, who are prosecuting these cases.
On a side note President Obama is thinking of extending the FBI director Robert Mueller's term.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... rt-mueller (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/05/12/president-obama-proposes-extending-term-fbi-director-robert-mueller)
And it says in this link http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson; (http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson;) The Bureau also investigated threats made against Mr. Jackson and others by an individual who was later imprisoned for these crimes.
So maybe while they were investigating, they found other information about other people who had threatened MJ in some way.
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Any conclusion yet?
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I always wondered about the names..."Prince" for princess, and "Paris" where Dianna was killed. But Michael always wears the crown on all of his clothing..
Prince is a name in Michael's family that is passed down. Paris is where Paris was born.
Paris was born in California, not in Paris. And why does Katherine call Prince 'Ted' when his name is Prince?
Well...er... errrr it could be because that's his REAL given name. Consider this:
Who ever said his name was "Prince", anyway? The Media, supposedly quoting the biggest hoaxer on the planet....As I recall, the media dogged him and got first pictures on less than amicable terms.
It would be payback afraid/ for MJ to jerk the press around all these years by providing trumped up names for the kids. (and, incidentally, it would protect them from any kidnappers, who thought to call them over by these fake names, and grab them...Just FYI.)
Anyway, they are most probably all actors, and the names are eerily convenient stage names in MJ's Magical Hoax Adventure, THRILLER 2. Before anyone gets get wild, please watch Ms.K. on Oprah, where Oprah asked something like, did she take the kids right home with her, after the "death", and Ms. K. says, "oh, yes, just LIKE a Grandma, you know" NOT, "Well, they belong with us, I AM their Grandma." I took it to mean she was playing an expected ROLE, herself...
She is such a trooper and good sport, helping MJ with this. It all for Love.
If you have doubts, still, there is some video of MJ playing on the floor with toddlers "Prince" and "Paris", and someone is either visiting or simply there to shoot this video of "MJ at home with the kids". The kids are "dancing" & singing little songs.
MJ says something a real father or mother would NEVER say to or in front of their own child, in front of anyone else (even though the kids were too young to know what he meant).
A real parent takes their own child's side against EVERYBODY. They are NOT concerned that the kid is embarrassing them, in front of their "friend". A real parent is a mother TIGER with a cub! :x She will attack the friend before making fun of the child. 8-)
It is a cut, as if he thinks it's funny they are "making the K.o.P. look bad on film". He says, sarcastically, as he appears to be putting toys away, "Where's your "rhythm" and laughs at the joke.
This was SO out of character (well, the one we think we KNOW :? ) for MJ, I noticed it right away, that he himself unwittingly acknowledged the actual detachment, lack of identity with these kids. :?
I apologize in advance if my "investigative observations/ conclusions upset anyone. We want to consider everything, and get to the Truth, right? Please, with FACT, prove me wrong. :)
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Who ever said his name was "Prince", anyway? The Media, supposedly quoting the biggest hoaxer on the planet
I like this.
is there something he didn't hoax, except his care for the children and the planet?
@Gema: I don't have a conclusion about this thread.
Because I don't understand how Michael's death can be used in a sting operation. Except if the sting is directed to his personal enemies who wanted to kill him or to steal his money.
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Because I don't understand how Michael's death can be used in a sting operation. Except if the sting is directed to his personal enemies who wanted to kill him or to steal his money.
I think TPTB want Michael dead. They killed Princess Di, John Lennon, JFK, Martin Luther King Jr, JFK Jr - basically anybody who spread love and wanted to expose the evil and injustice in the world - "TPTB". Michael would know this and beat them to it - by "killing" himself. And the FBI would know who is really behind these killings, maybe there are certain agents working with Michael who are sick of having to cover up the truth, not only about those murders but many other things like 9/11. So if a big part of Michael's hoax is to expose these evil people, he has the help and evidence of these FBI agents.
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Andrea it makes more sense to me that he "died" to protect his life.
If the bonus is to catch some criminals I'm not complaining.
I just....don't see it happening for the time being.
TS.....I miss you.
Come on.....don't you like us anymore? bearhug
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Hey all, I thought the below article was very interesting.
What sort of comforts me is that believe it or not, many folks are speaking out about a lot of things now.
And as we have seen and can still see, the whole world is like a play. Many, many things are scripted. The powers that be made sure certain ones that are probably MK'ed up showed up in Chicago for Oprah's final taping. Some of us know what depopulation group she belongs to, but again, if she is controlled, then she was innocent when she was first caught in that web, so it is not all of her fault. That is what I steadily remind myself of. They say that some come from out of their programming and can't remember things, but many do end up remembering.
I pray that there is a movement going on whereas certain people that love their money and so-called fame finally are awakening to the truth, and that is that our riches by this point in time are our memories and our love for the Creator, our fellow Human Beings and the Universe.
http://www.lapdpatriots.com/ (http://www.lapdpatriots.com/)
Here is another good one.
http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Ma ... lanks.html (http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html)
By the way, for the ones that think Thome-Thome was plotting MJ's death and MJ is going to prove it in this so-called Sting, I disagree. How is TT able to live freely if Jermaine and the family thought he was plotting to kill MJ? First of all, some think MJ is dead, so TT killed him? And the family could care less? Some believe like many do in the Hip-Hop community that MJ's OWN family killed him? Jermaine and TT killed MJ?
Do you think that TS? May haps the reason TS doesn't want to talk about Thome is because he knows that Thome represents MJ as far as the business minded aspect is concerned. MJ/Thome were the only two that knew about the $5.5M?????????????????? Well, first of all, I've always doubted that story since the old board, and decided that if there actually was an exchange of funds, then MJ was the one handing money over. Why should we have even learned about this? Could it be that MJ planted that story? And if he planted that story, he could have planted more.
Why isn't MJ afraid now of Thome-Thome? Why wouldn't he be afraid for his children? If TT was so powered up, he could employ people with high powered weapons or silencers and take out any one of MJ's family members before the trial (Lol) (get Murray before he spills the beans - Lol). To me, this would mean that MJ's parents and family were in on it, because TT was at the press conference with Jermaine. Was Jermaine under mind control? Is the family?
The above makes no sense to me because of the places I'M sure I've seen MJ. "It is a great adventure." "Discover the man you never knew." And on and on. I'm sure MJ was Dave-Dave on Larry King Live. I think MJ was out and about Halloween 2009 with SAW mask, etc. To me that doesn't represent a man that was deathly (no pun intended) afraid for his life and family's. I think he has been appearing "I'm all over the place boy. You can't stop me." He is fufilling his promise to bring out the Surprises. Were some of us not SURPRISED to see MJ as Dave-Dave and on and on? What a welcomed surprise, for real. That boy is crazy.
I still think as it pertains to the filming aspect of this thing, MJ is layering many things on many levels. It is like an 'Expose that he is incorporating into this Thriller II. I believe at one time there were some trying to kill him as he infers in his Jessie Jackson interview, and like Dick Gregory reported on (2005). This was around the time that he was first arrested in 2003. He knew something was up before that as he felt Tommy Motolla meant him no good. I think he will expose what happened to him and/or nearly happened to him around that time.
After the trial, he moved to Ireland, and seemingly recovered well enough as he was working on some things with Will I Am, and he helped Diana Ross with the group Westlife record four songs. Then he went to Bahrain for a while. The thing is, no one knows for sure when he moved to Las Vegas. He probably lived there for months and months before it was reported. May haps, he was testing the waters to see how well he could hide in that city. No one knows for sure if he ever lived in that house in LA. We were told that he was renting it. It is the HOAX property.
We don't and will never understand all aspects of this hoax and why MJ does "whatever" the way he does it and has done it.
Didn't MJ say out of his own mouth that his part of Sony ATV WAS NOT FOR SALE AND NEVER WOULD BE? Didn't Branca and McClain come out and claim the same thing not too long ago? MJ still owns at least his half of Sony Music. Sony is not MJ's enemy. He had problems with Sony when Motolla was there, but we see what happened to him. MJ told the world in his speech that he felt that Motolla should be gone from Sony and shortly thereafter, he was.
I think MJ contacted Frank Delio again for Hoax purposes, just like he did Branca, McClain and certain others. He is a great judge of character after all, and he knew that all of their hearts were basically good (like most human being's), and he has much love for them. He would rather deal with the "fill in the blank" he knows than be introduced to new ones. For the hoax, he needed people he could trust, and even if something had happened in the past to erode his trust of them, he forgave them and knew that this time around, he would be in charge of every new hire, and in charge of everything having to do with his business/estate.
He realized that he would need help from family and certain friends or the hoax would never work. He can't do it by himself. I think a lot of this is building up to his Circus thingy in Las Vegas. Surely, it will introduce Thriller II. MJ had the DVD "The Jacksons Are Coming", in his HAND. He loves and is proud of his family as he knows that none of them are perfect. Neither is he. He has sinned just like we all have.
Remember the circus was at the Stapled Center on 7/6/09. I wish we could do what the elephant below is doing to the ones that wish to do Us harm, indeed.
By the way Souza, I love your interpretaion of Maya Angelou's poem from the Memorial. Simple outstanding, indeed. Thanks for all that is reported in that blog again. respect/
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It's her
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is a strange coincidence that Tom Sneddon BECAME (that is, was put in place) as county prosecutor, with jurisdiction over Neverland, the year all this started, when THRILLER came out??
What are you suggesting?
Hi MJonmind, I'm sorry, I haven't been in this thread for a while and missed your post, until today. :(
I'm not suggesting anything, yet. confused/ Just wondering about things. All kinds of things. Wondering if a guy who has the patience to plan a very complex involved Hoax over a period of twenty some years, had anything at all to do with the CONVENIENT placement of one of the intermittently most mentioned characters in the story of Michael Jackson and His Completely Fantastic Life, Tom Sneddon, IN the very jurisdiction MJ would soon own property, and become engulfed in such deep frightening drama. It's probably just a fantastic coincidence. Yep.
It's just that, I read somewhere, and someone may have posted it right here on this board somewhere, about how it was ruled in court :o that the media cannot be held accountable for fabricating parts of the news to make it a better story for ratings, or for quoting "truth" told to them by any source, because NO one REALLY knows the TRUTH... :shock:
This means that Tom Sneddon and ALL his press conferences about pursuing and prosecuting "that pervert Michael Jackson"....COULD be faked. I didn't see any of the trial, but I remember Sneddon flapping his lips on the TV evening news, as I was walking through the room. I remember cough-saying: :x "Bull$#!!!"
The gut KNOWS crap at first hearing. I was just thinking the charges were trumped up. I wonder now if suspicious// MJ built a crankable Magical Hoax machine from P.T. Barnum's books, and was cranking things out, THAT far back? pale/ :o :shock:
Naaaaah. Coincidence. mj_dance/
Naturally, if I were prosecuting someone SO loved, I would have wisely hidden myself as well, and let an actor portray me before the public, to keep from getting shot. But...how could Sneddon know he was going to NEED a standin, in 1983?
I'm wondering if something far more horrible was going on, and the story which was given to the public was a front, a diversion, to enable the FBI to swoop in and get the REAL people terrorizing MJ from another direction? More than we think, things are kept from the public to prevent PANIC and mass hysteria.
If I am suggesting anything, it is that I need help, just playing with the puzzle pieces. errrr :? They keep forming a picture that wasn't on the box MJ :ugeek: gave us.... crash/ ;)
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Dr. Elias Ghanem, Dr. Tohme Tohme,..parallels
Michael Jackson, Dr. Tohme, Elvis Presley and the Las Vegas Doctor to the Stars’ “Sleep Diet” – Part TwoOctober 20, 2009
By LBG1
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The Eerie Similarities and Ties Between Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson
Las Vegas “Doctor to the Stars”, the Doc who Treated Elvis and Michael Jackson, and who administered to Elvis the “Sleep Diet”
Lisa Marie Presley’s Admission she feared Jackson would suffer the same “fate” as Elvis
In Part One, we outlined the ties between Dr. Tohme R. Tohme and Sig Rogich, one of the three “principals” in Tohme’s TRW Advertising. It was through those ties that we discovered the “tie” between Sig Rogich and Dr. Elias Ghanem, “Las Vegas’ Doctor to the Stars”, a doctor that had both Presley and Michael Jackson as patients.
In Part II, the eerie similarities between Jackson and Presley’s “treatments” for insomnia. In Jackson’s case, the surgical anesthetic drug, propofol, and Presley’s “Sleep Diet”: A “diet” that consisted of Presley heavily sedated for a period of “up to three weeks”, administered by Ghanem, Ghanem’s Las Vegas home.
We discovered other similarities in Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley’s lives. Of both men being “devoutly spiritual” and a distaste for drinking, incurable insomnia, and abuse of prescription drugs. Of both Presley and Jackson’s cause of death related to a “combination of drugs”, and the physicians that had “enabled” the King of Rock N Roll and the King of Pop. And the deepest “tie”: the marriage between Jackson and Presley’s daughter Lisa Marie. Lisa Marie’s claim that Jackson had once “predicted” he’d “end up” like her father, and that she’d ended their marriage after she realized she couldn’t “save” Jackson from the same “destructive behavior”.
Las Vegas’ Doctor to the Stars, Dr. Elias Ghanem, Elvis, and Michael Jackson
On August 8, 2001, the Las Vegas Review published an article on the death of Dr. Elias Ghanem, according to the Vegas-Review, two of Ghanem’s patients, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. (Google Las Vegas-Review.)
On March 15, 1976, People published an article on Dr. Elias Ghanem, ‘Call Doctor Ghanem,’ Elvis and Other Stars Gasp When They Get Las Vegas Throat .
“Swabbing talented throats may not win Nobel prizes, but the victims tend to be very grateful. Presley alone has lavished upon Ghanem the $32,000 Stutz, a Mercedes, two watches, a $60,000 diamond ring and a gold medallion inscribed “TCB.” (“Elvis’ people say this stands for ‘Take care of business,’ ” Ghanem chortles. “I say it stands for ‘Take care of broads.’ “
In 2003, two years after Ghanem’s death, Contact Music published an article about Michael Jackson in Vegas and a call to a doctor for treatment for Jackson’s “cold and sore throat”. From ContactMusic.com:
MICHAEL JACKSON’S GUARDS BULLIED DOCTOR
A doctor has claimed he was intimidated by Michael Jackson’s bodyguards when he refused to give him prescription drugs during the singer’s stay in Las Vegas in 2003. Michael Jackson’s bodyguard tried to threaten a doctor into giving him prescription drugs.
The unnamed physician visited the Las Vegas hotel suite where the late pop superstar – who died of a suspected cardiac arrest last month – was staying in November 2003 after being told the singer had a cough and sore throat. However, when the doctor arrived he could not find anything wrong with Jackson. He said: “The whole thing was staged. It was all a lie. They just wanted drugs. They wanted me to call in all these pills under someone else’s name.
Dr. Ghanem died in 2001 at age 62. According to the Review Journal, Ghanem began working as an emergency room physician in 1971, began a family practice in 1976, then opened his first clinic behind the Las Vegas Hilton where Elvis Presley became a patient. At the time of Elvis’ death at age 42, in 1977, Dr. Ghanem was 38. More from People:
There he met a princely entertainer with a frog in his throat, removed same—and thus began to acquire a reputation as physician to the stars. Before long he had a Stutz Bearcat, a fleet of jets, flashy jewelry and a mirrored canopy over his bed. He went around saying things like “Fast cars and beautiful women are my hobbies.’ ” He owned real estate and restaurants. He was divorced. There is one big problem with this scenario. The Vegas headliner Dr. Ghanem treated to get his start in showbiz medicine actually was Elvis Presley. But it would not be difficult to find a substitute star or even to cast an entire movie from Ghanem’s roster of patients.
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Moving to Las Vegas in 1971, Ghanem was the $3,600-a-month director of the emergency room at Sunrise Hospital when he got a call one night about a raspy voice at the Hilton. It belonged to Presley. Robert Goulet consulted him not long after, and soon Ghanem was the hottest doc in Vegas since Severinsen. “I think it’s the personal touch they like,” says Ghanem. “They call at 2 o’clock in the morning and I go.”
Despite the glitz, by 1976, Dr. Ghanem was in the process of building an outpatient clinic where 50% of the proceeds where to be donated to the University of Reno Medical School. The article stated, that at the time, the doctor was “on call” for nine casinos. Even so, in the Las Vegas Review Journal article on Ghanem’s death, the Journal cited Ghanem’s previous troubles:
Ghanem received extensive press coverage over his medical treatment of Elvis, his unlucky business investments and an FBI investigation into his clinics’ billing practices. He was never charged with a crime. Although he didn’t carry through, Ghanem threatened to sue ABC News’ “20/20″ for reporting that he was one of the doctors who provided drugs that contributed to Elvis’ death.
On March 6, 2003, the Nevada legislature passed a resolution memorializing “prominent physician and philanthropist Elias Ghanem”:
Excerpt:
Whereas, After serving as the hotel doctor for the Las Vegas Hilton, Dr. Ghanem became known as the “physician to the stars†because he became the personal physician to such celebrities as Elvis Presley, Liberace, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Ann-Margret, Wayne Newton and Virginia Kelley, the mother of former President Bill Clinton; and….”
The resolution stated that Ghanem, while serving as the “hotel doctor” for the Las Vegas Hilton became known as the “physician to the stars” then “personal physician” for Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley. Ghanem died in 2001 after battling cancer. In an ironic twist, in 2004, Tom Barrack and Colony Capital purchased the Las Vegas Hilton.
On May 27, 1974, Lisa Marie Presley, then five, met Michael Jackson, 11, for the first time when Elvis brought Lisa Marie to a Jackson 5 show at the Sahara in Vegas.
Jackson, 15, began a long-term friendship with the magicians Siegfried and Roy, “supplying” the theme song to “Siegfried and Roy at the Mirage”.
Jackson was a frequent guest during the 90′s of hotel mogul Steve Wynn, where Jackson spent “long stretches in the poolside villas of the Mirage”. In 1994, NBC taped the special, “The Jackson Family Honors” in front of a live audience. The occasion: to honor a tribute to Motown Records founder Berry Gordy. The show occurred after Jackson encountered his first round of accusations of child molestation. The audience “erupted” in cheers for Michael as he stood on stage and attempted to pay tribute to Gordy. According to the Review Journal, Elizabeth Taylor, who was a guest, had to quiet the “screaming” and “cheering” crowd before Michael could continue. Michael later joined the group finale. It would be the last time Michael Jackson performed in Las Vegas.
Here’s where the story gets interesting, the eerily similar circumstances between Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley’s last days and deaths, and the special “Sleep Diet” Dr. Ghanem prescribed for Elvis Presley. A “diet” that seemed to be somewhat in the “same vein” as Michael Jackson’s penchant for preferring the powerful anesthetic drug propofol as a “sleep aide”.
According to About.com, it was October 21, 1974, when Dr. Ghanem prescribed the “Sleep Diet” to Elvis Presley:
“Elvis flies to Las Vegas for recent “health problems” that have caused him to miss recent shows, where Dr. Elias Ghanem discovers an ulcerous stomach and begins treating the singer with a special diet and sleep regimen in his home.”
From VisaMagOnline:
“The Sleep Diet was made famous by Elvis Presley. When Elvis became very overweight, he turned to celebrity physician Elias Ghanem in Las Vegas. There were many facets to Ghanem’s treatment, but only the sleep part has remained buzzing around the celebrity network. Essentially, you are sedated for two weeks at a time, resting and sleeping, and fed by tube. It didn’t work for Elvis who gained 10 pounds in the two weeks. It’s not likely to work with anyone because while sleeping and resting your body turns energy use down to 50 to 60 calories per hour. Even if only body fat was lost in those calories, and you were kept unconscious the whole time, it would take three days to lose a pound.”
More on Elvis and Dr. Ghanem and the special “Sleep Diet” from the book, “Me and a guy named Elvis: My Lifelong Friendship with Elvis Presley” by By Jerry Schilling, Chuck Crisafulli:
“Elvis was worried too. During his hospitalization, he’d gotten off all his medications and had tried to get his body to function without the sleeping pills he’d relied on for so long. Doctors had hoped that without the medications, he’d get physically tired enough to reset his body clock. It didn’t happen. In the hospital, Elvis had wanted to get well. He didn’t complain. He didn’t ask for any pain relief or sleep medication. But he couldn’t sleep….
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In November, Elvis decided to try and get thin and rested using a new therapy he’d heard about-a “sleep diet” that could reset his metabolism and his sleep cycles through a three-week regimen of liquid nourishment and carefully monitored sedatives. This therapy had been created by Dr. Elias Ghanem, a Las Vegas “doctor to the stars” who had previously treated Elvis during some of his Hilton engagements. In mid-November, Elvis moved into the upstairs bedroom of Ghanem’s home.
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“None of us were sure whether or not Dr. Ghanem’s therapy accomplished anything, but the time Elvis spent at his house gave him a chance for deep rest that he found hard to get anywhere else. In December, he checked back in with Ghanem for a second round of the sleep diet.”
According to About.com, on December 30, 1974, due to Presley’s “erratic behavior”, manager Colonel Parker was forced to contact Ghanem:
“For the first time, Colonel Parker is forced to cancel an entire engagement, not just a show here and there, due to Elvis’ increasingly erratic behavior. In writing, the Colonel directs the management of the Vegas Hilton to contact Dr. Ghanem for “the proper interpretation for the appropriate press release.”
Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson
The “Strongest” Tie between Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley
“He Knew. Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general. I can’t recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my father’s death.” “At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, ‘I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did.’ I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.” Lisa Marie Presley, June 26, 2009
One day after Michael Jackson’s death, Lisa Marie Presley, only child of Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson’s ex-wife, posted on her MySpace page what she considered her “biggest failure to date”: Presley’s inability to “save Michael Jackson” fourteen years ago:
“I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him. I was in over my head while trying. I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision. The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow. After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret. Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation. At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now. As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.”
On August 16, 1977, at 1:30 pm, girlfriend Ginger Alden discovered Presley’s lifeless body on the floor of his Graceland bathroom. Alden alerted Presley associates Joe Esposito and Al Strada who arrived then called the fire department. Presley’s father Vernon and Lisa Marie, 9, “see” Presley in the bathroom then Lisa Marie was “quickly removed from the scene”.
Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley married in May, 1994, three months after Jackson appeared on the Jackson Family Honors NBC special taped in Vegas. In her MySpace note, Presley stated that the marriage “wasn’t a sham”-a rumor that swirled around the couple, who divorced 20 months later. Presley stated that she believed Jackson “loved her”, as much as Jackson “could love anyone”, and that Presley “loved him very much”.
In an August 17, 1977 article by the Las Vegas Sun the stunning news that Elvis Presley had died at age 42 was reported. Mentioned in the article, Dr. Elias Ghanem:
“Elvis Presley collapsed and died at his home in Memphis, Tenn. Tuesday and the tragedy sent a rippling shock through Las Vegas where he made his show business comeback and attained a popularity peak from which he never descended.” Doctors at Baptist Hospital in Memphis, where the dead entertainer was initially taken, issued a statement in the late afternoon which said he died of an “erratic heartbeat.”
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“Presley apparently collapsed in a bathroom of his Graceland Mansion in Memphis and was found face down on the floor by his road manager, Joe Esposito, at 3:3 p.m. Memphis time. However, Shelby county Medical Examiner Dr. Jerry Francisco said Presley may have been dead more than five hours before he was found. Francisco told reporters after an autopsy Presley died of “cardiac arrythmia,” which he described as a severely irregular heartbeat. he said it was brought about by “undetermined causes.” Both Francisco and Dr. George Nichopoulos, Presley’s physician in Memphis, emphasized there was “no evidence of any illegal drug use.”
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“Dr. Elias Ghanem, Presley’s Las Vegas physician who was also a personal friend, expressed extreme surprise when told of the entertainer’s death from heart failure. “Why, he was in perfect health,” Ghanem said in news interviews. “I personally gave him a physical examination for insurance reasons only recently. I can’t understand this,” he exclaimed.”
More on Ghanem:
“Ghanem cancelled all late afternoon appointments at his office on Joe W. Brown Drive in the shadow of the Hilton Hotel and flew to Memphis for a firsthand review of events. The Las Vegas doctor last year was a recipient of Presley’s well known generosity. After treating the entertainer for pneumonia, Ghanem was gifted with a $42,000 Stutz racing car and a $16,000 Mercedes sedan. Ghanem’s claim that Presley’s health was good contradicted other reports which alleged fame and wealth had taken its physical toll long before the singing idol’s death Tuesday at the age of 42.”
On August 16, 2007, reporter Scott Conroy “looked back 30 years” to Elvis Presley’s death and funeral. Conroy recalled “vivid” memories of the thousands who lined Elvis Presley Boulevard in Memphis outside Graceland, gathered together in “genuine grief” and “disbelief” over the unexpected death of Elvis Presley at age 42.
Conroy related that many had stories of how Presley had touched their lives and that Conroy had been “amazed” at the amount of people who told him how generous Presley was. Conroy also related that, to reporters, the “big part of the story” was Presley’s cause of death. Conroy interviewed the sheriff of Shelby County who reiterated that Presley had died of died of cardiac arrhythmia — irregular heartbeat. The sheriff was also “emphatic” that “drug abuse was not a factor”. Conroy wrote that “to this day he smiled at rumors that Elvis had been spotted at a Burger King or gas station” as Conroy, as a reporter, was allowed to view Elvis’ body as it lay in state in the foyer of Graceland, Elvis’ home:
“Without fear of contradiction, I can say that Elvis did not leave a handsome corpse. He looked bloated and his complexion was an unnatural grey. But he was well-dressed in a cream-colored suit and wore his medallion with the lightning bolt and the letters “TCB,” for taking care of business — the words that had been his mantra” before we knew what a mantra was.”
In the 1976 People magazine article on Ghanem and Presley, one particular gift caught our eye, a gold medallion with the inscription, TCB
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“Swabbing talented throats may not win Nobel prizes, but the victims tend to be very grateful. Presley alone has lavished upon Ghanem the $32,000 Stutz, a Mercedes, two watches, a $60,000 diamond ring and a gold medallion inscribed “TCB.” (“Elvis’ people say this stands for ‘Take care of business,’ ” Ghanem chortles. “I say it stands for ‘Take care of broads.’ “
Taking Care of Business
Immediately after the stunning news of Presley’s death, Ghanem was interviewed by a reporter at Vegas’ KSHO. When questioned about excessive drug use and Elvis, Ghanem stated, “Absolutely not. I’ve never known Elvis to take any hard drugs whatsoever. When asked about a “drug overdose”, Ghanem said: “It could be but his father told me it was a heart attack”. When asked about the possibility of suicide, Ghanem said, “He is a very religious man and wouldn’t thing of suicide at all”. Source- When Elvis Died, by Janice Gregory
Another eerie similar parallel, the “cause of death” of both Presley and Jackson and role that drugs played. According to About.com, the official coroner’s report for Presley listed “cardiac arrhythmia” as the cause of Presley’s death yet it was discovered that this was a “ruse” to cover up Presley’s “real cause of death”:
The official coroner’s report lists “cardiac arrhythmia” as the cause of Presley’s death, but this was later admitted to be a ruse entered into by the Presley family along with autopsy physicians Dr. Jerry T. Francisco, Dr. Eric Muirhead and Dr. Noel Florredo to cover up the real cause of death, a cocktail of ten prescribed drugs, taken in doses no doctor would prescribe: The painkillers Morphine and Demerol. Chloropheniramine, an antihistamine. The tranquilizers Placidyl and Vailum. Finally, four drugs were found in “significant” quantities: Codeine, an opiate, Ethinamate, largely prescribed at the time as a “sleeping pill,” Quaaludes, and a barbituate, or depressant, that has never been identified. It has also been rumored that Diazepam, Amytal, Nembutal, Carbrital, Sinutab, Elavil, Avental, and Valmid were found in his system at death.
The site, Fred’s Corner, has an interesting write-up on Presley’s chronic health problems including insomnia, that Presley first began to turn to medication such as placidyl in 1962 to “combat severe insomnia in ever-increasing doses and later took Dexedrine to counter the sleeping pills’ after-effect. That Presley felt that since he was being supplied drugs by a doctor, he wasn’t the “common everyday junkie getting something off the street. He… thought that as far as medications and drugs went, there was something for everything.” While Presley wasn’t a “common everyday junkie”, investigations found where Presley’s physician, Dr. Nichopoulos, prescribed “more than 10,000 doses” of drugs in the “first eight months of 1977 alone”. Sixteen days into the eighth month of 1977, Presley was dead from what was later termed, “Combined Drug Intoxication”:
According to Guralnick: “[D]rug use was heavily implicated… no one ruled out the possibility of anaphylactic shock brought on by the codeine pills…to which he was known to have had a mild allergy.” In two lab reports filed two months later, each indicated “a strong belief that the primary cause of death was Polypharmacy,” with one report “indicating the detection of fourteen drugs in Elvis’ system, ten in significant quantity.” It appears he died of Combined Drug Intoxication.
According to an article at Liveleak.com, Presley’s Doctor, Dr. Nichopoulos, “Dr. Nick”, took measures to try to control Presley’s intake of drugs, going as far to make placebos to give to Presley in lieu of the real thing and would “suck” the liquid from capsules then refill them saline solution. During one “raid” on Presley’s bedroom Dr. Nick and Presley’s road manager Joe Espisito discovered a large cache of drugs:
One time when he was in the hospital, Dr. Nick and Elvis’s road manager, Joe Esposito, raided Elvis’s bedroom at Graceland: they found three giant pharmacy-sized jars, each containing 1,000 high-dose Seconal (a barbiturate), Dexedrine (an amphetamine) and Placidyl (a tranquilizer). There were even vials of pills hidden in the seams of the curtains.
Dr. Nick claimed that if he turned Presley’s request for drugs down, Presley would fly off to Vegas or other cities, stay a few days, then return with what he wanted. An interesting read, the Liveleak article gives far more details into Elvis Presley’s drug use.
Three years after Elvis’ death, Dr. Nick was indicted on 14 counts of “over-prescribing drugs” to Elvis, singer Jerry Lee Lewis, and 12 other patients. According to Wikipedia, the district attorney “ruled out murder charges” relating to Elvis’ death. Dr. Nick was acquitted on all counts. In the same year, the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners imposed a three months suspension and three years probation, concluding that Nick was guilty of “over-prescribing medication” but acted in the “best interests” of his patients.
“This was a person who was not on drugs. This was a person who was seeking help, desperately, to get some sleep, to get some rest.” Cherilyn Lee on Michael Jackson and Jackson’s propofol use
On July 3, FOX News reported:
“The powerful sedative Propofol — also known as Diprivan — was among several narcotics found in Michael Jackson’s rented suburban Los Angeles mansion, a law enforcement source tells FOXNews.com. Given intravenously, Propofol is used as part of inducing general anesthesia in the operating room, and for heavy sedation of patients who are intubated in the intensive care unit.”
FOX News reported that nurse Cherilyn Lee, who “worked” for Jackson, claimed she was contacted by a “member of Jackson’s staff” just “four days before his death”:
“Cherilyn Lee, a nurse who worked for Jackson, claims the pop star begged her for the drug, and that just four days before his death, a member of Jackson’s staff called and said “‘Michael needs to see you right away.” She says she heard Michael in the background saying, “One side of my body is hot, it’s hot, and one side of my body is cold. It’s very cold.” Lee’s description of Jackson’s condition mirrors a 2007 FDA alert to healthcare professionals detailing “several clusters of patients who have experienced chills, fever, and body aches shortly after receiving propofol for sedation or general anesthesia.”
According to court documents, Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, had been “treating” Jackson’s insomnia “every night” with 50 mg. of propofol for a period of six weeks prior to his death. According to the documents, Murray allegedly began to try to “wean” Jackson off the propofol “two days” before Jackson’s death.
On August 28, the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office released a statement ruling Michael Jackson’s death a homicide:
The Los Angeles County coroner has ruled that Michael Jackson’s death was a homicide involving a combination of drugs. “The drugs propofol and lorazepam were found to be the primary drugs responsible for Mr. Jackson’s death,” said a news release issued Friday by the coroner. “Other drugs detected were: midazolam, diazepam, lidocaine and ephedrine.” The release said Jackson died from “acute propofol intoxication,” but said “other conditions contributing to death: benzodiazepine effect.”
Lorazepam, midazolam and diazepam are benzodiazepines.
While Elvis’ personal physician’s Dr. “Nick” was later charged with “over-prescribing” medication to Elvis, then acquitted by a jury, Michael Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, has yet to be charged with a crime relating to Jackson’s death.
Both Dr. Murray and Dr. Ghanem were residents of Las Vegas’ Red Rock Country Club community. It was upstairs in an addition to Dr. Ghanem’s home, specially built for patients, whre Dr. Ghanem administered his “sleep diet” to Elvis Presley-a diet of drug sedation that allegedly lasted for up to “three weeks”. It was in an upstairs bedroom of Michael Jackson’s rented home in Los Angeles where Murray allegedly administered propofol in combination with two powerful sedatives in order to “treat” symptoms of Jackson’s insomnia.
Fortunately for Presley and Ghanem, the only alleged side-effect of the “Sleep Diet” was Presley’s unintended weight gain. As for Dr. Murray, to date, Jackson’s personal physician hasn’t been charged with any crime connected to Jackson’s death. Even so, on July 28, Reuters reported authorities had searched Murray’s Las Vegas residence and office. On August 11, the Hollywood Scoop reported DEA, LAPD, and the Las Vegas PD had searched a Las Vegas pharmacy, Applied Pharmacy Services. According to the article, “Federal agents are now looking into Jackson’s possible interactions with at least six other doctors.”
On October 4, Examiner.com reported that a report had found Dr. Murray had propofol shipped from Applied Pharmacy Services to the “home he shared with his girlfriend in Santa Monica”.
On September 25, Radar Online reported Murray’s girlfriend Nicole Alvarez had testified for three hours before a Los Angeles grand jury on Thursday, September 24.
On August 24, the New York Daily News reported Alvarez was Murray’s “ex-stripper girlfriend†who had Murray’s “love childâ€, and whom the married Murray had “stashed†in a “love nest beachfront apartment†not far from Jackson’s home.
It was in Las Vegas in 2008 that Jackson purportedly met Dr. Conrad Murray when Murray allegedly treated one of Jackson’s children for an unknown ailment. In 2008, Jackson and his children were residing in Vegas.
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“I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him. I was in over my head while trying."
How long they have been married that she was "over head trying"? Give me a break.
14 years of trying, for example, maybe called over head.........
mj_bad/ penguin/
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And half of the time they were married they weren't living together, if it's true what they said.
But were they married for good? Because the marriage certificate is on Michael Joseph , not Michael Joe.
She says he was surrounded by leeches. Was he that naive to not see ?
Was she wrong?
We'll never solve the mistery named Michael Jackson. Summing up what I know about him returns a blank page....again....
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And half of the time they were married they weren't living together, if it's true what they said.
But were they married for good? Because the marriage certificate is on Michael Joseph , not Michael Joe.
She says he was surrounded by leeches. Was he that naive to not see ?
Was she wrong?
We'll never solve the mistery named Michael Jackson. Summing up what I know about him returns a blank page....again....
There were so many vampires and leeches on your back we already know, or else Michael would not have suffered so much. Michael seemed innocent, but do not know if he was naive enough to not realize anything. But if he had noticed, would he have been charged again in 2003?
This statement of Liza, confirms what Latoya and Joe said about conspiracy and horrible people who were controlling Michael's life. If it were so, then it isn't difficult to accept the theory of murder!
It is very difficult to know. Believers see him as a hero and non believers as victim. Which one is correct?
Do you remember of a phrase spoken in the movie V? "I'm more of a demon when I act like an angel" :twisted:
That is correct, Michael?
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We may not sum it up because right now we are surviving on pure speculation regarding areas of expertise that none of us have. None of us are experts in criminal law, nor the inner workings of the FBI. These are areas we can only guess about with no real sense of accuracy or realism. I'm sorry TS has abandoned us to this task, because we are really in over our heads now.
Are we supposed to be put in our place? As in, investigators? Yeah right, investigate this... :?: :arrow: :|
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I really believe TS is showing us enough so that we still see flaws in the "Death" of MJ. But is also showing us this is something very serious going down that it is involving the F.B.I. None of us here are true investigators that i know of,but yet we have enough proof in our own minds that the man is still alive. A reason Jermaine may have said what he did on twitter may be because they need to make him seem dead to catch whoever the sting is for. We will never have enough proof that he is alive until he returns with a BAM. If they did show us undeniable proof,the BAM would not work,plus the criminals would not do the crimes because they would know they were being set up.Even with all we know right now When the BAM does happen we all will be shocked because there was just enough doubt. I am just waiting and feel we are almost there,the excitement is building in me. I am sure it is for all of you as well. God bless you all, Peace and Love. mj_dance/
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I really believe TS is showing us enough so that we still see flaws in the "Death" of MJ. But is also showing us this is something very serious going down that it is involving the F.B.I. None of us here are true investigators that i know of,but yet we have enough proof in our own minds that the man is still alive. A reason Jermaine may have said what he did on twitter may be because they need to make him seem dead to catch whoever the sting is for. We will never have enough proof that he is alive until he returns with a BAM. If they did show us undeniable proof,the BAM would not work,plus the criminals would not do the crimes because they would know they were being set up.Even with all we know right now When the BAM does happen we all will be shocked because there was just enough doubt. I am just waiting and feel we are almost there,the excitement is building in me. I am sure it is for all of you as well. God bless you all, Peace and Love. mj_dance/
I agree 100%. If Michael doesn't return, we'll never know the true! confused/
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I really like to know the theory of TS, so far all we have are unknowns, the starting this discussion
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I really like to know the theory of TS, so far all we have are unknowns, the starting this discussion
Perhaps TS did not expect the postponement of the judging and Jermaine's Twitter! ;)
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This is MY opinion. This thread has gone straight into the crapper. crash/
This is about whether or not the court is a STING court (YES) or HOAX court (NO) and WHO is part of the focus of the STING. That is the simple question asked at the start. This is a USA court problem and especially a LA court system problem. Michael is a USA citizen and just because he cares about the world does not take away the fact that in his own backyard he is exposing the LA court system and all the other corruption going on in the world. It doesn't matter where his trial took place the whole Justice system is FLAWED.
This thread is not about The Royal wedding, Tohme Tohme, Princess Diana, etc. Ya think maybe that is why TS hasn't made a comment? I do. I have been reading this thread and I haven't seen much debate about the original question for about 7 or so... pages. Why do some feel like they have to beg TS for answers? Can't you think for yourself and come to a conclusion of truth without his help?
Below are some videos I found that explain who Michael is. michael-jackson/ rr/ respect/
Thank You MJ. My life is forever changed. bearhug
[youtube:3a4yb7cj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnHFhdmWXx0[/youtube:3a4yb7cj]
[youtube:3a4yb7cj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0BSN7sfc4&NR=1[/youtube:3a4yb7cj]
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We have, a lot of people have already established if we think it's a hoax court or not and we have provided info.
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Are we supposed to be put in our place? As in, investigators? Yeah right, investigate this... :?: :arrow: :|
LOL bec !!
could TS be that cynical ?
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It's her
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is a strange coincidence that Tom Sneddon BECAME (that is, was put in place) as county prosecutor, with jurisdiction over Neverland, the year all this started, when THRILLER came out??
What are you suggesting?
Hi MJonmind, I'm sorry, I haven't been in this thread for a while and missed your post, until today. :(
I'm not suggesting anything, yet. confused/ Just wondering about things. All kinds of things. Wondering if a guy who has the patience to plan a very complex involved Hoax over a period of twenty some years, had anything at all to do with the CONVENIENT placement of one of the intermittently most mentioned characters in the story of Michael Jackson and His Completely Fantastic Life, Tom Sneddon, IN the very jurisdiction MJ would soon own property, and become engulfed in such deep frightening drama. It's probably just a fantastic coincidence. Yep.
It's just that, I read somewhere, and someone may have posted it right here on this board somewhere, about how it was ruled in court :o that the media cannot be held accountable for fabricating parts of the news to make it a better story for ratings, or for quoting "truth" told to them by any source, because NO one REALLY knows the TRUTH... :shock:
This means that Tom Sneddon and ALL his press conferences about pursuing and prosecuting "that pervert Michael Jackson"....COULD be faked. I didn't see any of the trial, but I remember Sneddon flapping his lips on the TV evening news, as I was walking through the room. I remember cough-saying: :x "Bull$#!!!"
The gut KNOWS crap at first hearing. I was just thinking the charges were trumped up. I wonder now if suspicious// MJ built a crankable Magical Hoax machine from P.T. Barnum's books, and was cranking things out, THAT far back? pale/ :o :shock:
Naaaaah. Coincidence. mj_dance/
Naturally, if I were prosecuting someone SO loved, I would have wisely hidden myself as well, and let an actor portray me before the public, to keep from getting shot. But...how could Sneddon know he was going to NEED a standin, in 1983?
I'm wondering if something far more horrible was going on, and the story which was given to the public was a front, a diversion, to enable the FBI to swoop in and get the REAL people terrorizing MJ from another direction? More than we think, things are kept from the public to prevent PANIC and mass hysteria.
If I am suggesting anything, it is that I need help, just playing with the puzzle pieces. errrr :? They keep forming a picture that wasn't on the box MJ :ugeek: gave us.... crash/ ;)
Thanks for answering my question, and I 'think' I know what you mean. I have also these thoughts sticking in my mind that won't go away, but then I say, "Nah", it just can't be, so I shove them back.
Im_convincedmjalive » Thu May 19, 2011 11:54 pm
This is MY opinion. This thread has gone straight into the crapper ....This thread is not about The Royal wedding, Tohme Tohme, Princess Diana, etc. Ya think maybe that is why TS hasn't made a comment? I do.
We didn't come to conclusions with any of the other levels, and suddenly TS would announce that we're ready for the next level, which is what I think he will do now, IF he comes soon, since we never have gaurantees he will visit ever again. My feeling is that the natural direction of our attempts to answer his question led us to these precise topics you felt weren't warranted. Without some vital information we are endlessly speculating on who the targets of the sting court would be. But in these 18 pages has been lots of helpful info that I've learned from, and I think that's more TS's goal anyway--our learning collectively with his questions as a guide to discussion.
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WHY is it that whenever I have stated very clearly that this is MY opinion someone goes on the defense? Everyone states their opinion and most do not get feedback or comments saying personal/feely reaction comments.
@MJonmind IF you feel the last 7 pages were of help then WHAT conclusion have you decided; STING court or HOAX court? That is what the bottom line is. IF the info is relevant for you and anyone else to decide then say it, present a theory so it can be challenged. The way the thread is now there is info but most aren't making a decision and stating it on the record or forming a theory of their decisions.
Let me have my opinions without the defensive comments in reply. I read this thread everyday even if I haven't commented alot lately. Step out of the comfort zone and just say what it is you think and don't be afraid to be wrong. It may turn out your right but you will never know if you strattle the fence.
Peace
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WHY is it that whenever I have stated very clearly that this is MY opinion someone goes on the defense? Everyone states their opinion and most do not get feedback or comments saying personal/feely reaction comments.
@MJonmind IF you feel the last 7 pages were of help then WHAT conclusion have you decided; STING court or HOAX court? That is what the bottom line is. IF the info is relevant for you and anyone else to decide then say it, present a theory so it can be challenged. The way the thread is now there is info but most aren't making a decision and stating it on the record or forming a theory of their decisions.
Let me have my opinions without the defensive comments in reply. I read this thread everyday even if I haven't commented alot lately. Step out of the comfort zone and just say what it is you think and don't be afraid to be wrong. It may turn out your right but you will never know if you strattle the fence.
Peace
Oops please delete this quoted double goof comment Souza. thanks. fresse/
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I've already said I think it's predominately a hoax court, but if it is also a sting court then it's more likely international not local. Please don't be annoyed with me--I'm not a strong 'digger' for evidence and facts like you--I just contribute the best I can. Can we really get to the bottom of this hole/question? suspicious// 8-)
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WHY is it that whenever I have stated very clearly that this is MY opinion someone goes on the defense? Everyone states their opinion and most do not get feedback or comments saying personal/feely reaction comments.
@MJonmind IF you feel the last 7 pages were of help then WHAT conclusion have you decided; STING court or HOAX court? That is what the bottom line is. IF the info is relevant for you and anyone else to decide then say it, present a theory so it can be challenged. The way the thread is now there is info but most aren't making a decision and stating it on the record or forming a theory of their decisions.
Let me have my opinions without the defensive comments in reply. I read this thread everyday even if I haven't commented alot lately. Step out of the comfort zone and just say what it is you think and don't be afraid to be wrong. It may turn out your right but you will never know if you strattle the fence.
Peace
I agree with what you said though...also when we go off topic it is hard to understand what we are really supposed to be doing but even when we are on topic, it is hard when we have shared our theories and then it's kinda like a, what next?
Today I saw this quote outside a church and I thought it fit in with what you said earlier...it was something like "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"...it made me think, if MJ fixes the justice, in say, the L.A court system, although it won't fix it everywhere, it will make more people aware and maybe even help other places where there is injustice, like get the ball rolling so to speak.
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WHY is it that whenever I have stated very clearly that this is MY opinion someone goes on the defense? Everyone states their opinion and most do not get feedback or comments saying personal/feely reaction comments.
@MJonmind IF you feel the last 7 pages were of help then WHAT conclusion have you decided; STING court or HOAX court? That is what the bottom line is. IF the info is relevant for you and anyone else to decide then say it, present a theory so it can be challenged. The way the thread is now there is info but most aren't making a decision and stating it on the record or forming a theory of their decisions.
Let me have my opinions without the defensive comments in reply. I read this thread everyday even if I haven't commented alot lately. Step out of the comfort zone and just say what it is you think and don't be afraid to be wrong. It may turn out your right but you will never know if you strattle the fence.
Peace
I am going to get defensive here as well. As bec already said, we do not have enough knowledge of how the FBI operates and it's only guessing who the focus of the sting would be. People did give their opinions on it and explained why, which is also why the Diana and Tohme comments were posted. The Diana discussion is just to show why for example the royal establishment could be a focus. Others think Tohme might have the answers, that is why Tohme is also discussed. There have been many comments with arguments about why it would be a hoax or sting court TS could have commented on, so in my opinion the fact that this thread has gone somewhat off topic is not the reason TS hasn't commented yet. This thread is nearly 3 weeks old, so it's not really that strange. We are simply stuck here since we can't think of something else, or are still thinking and trying to get there by discussing matters that seem off topic. I really don't think that that is why TS hasn't commented yet, most definitely since people said 10+ pages back that they were stuck. In my opinion there is a chance he won't comment on it at all, if this sting is still on-going. Why make some people wiser than they already are? I bet he didn't only made himself believable to many of us.
Besides that, TS can get everyone back on topic in a blink of an eye if he wants, as he did before. And we must not forget that TS is also just a human being, who might have other important things coming his path which need to be dealt with first.
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In this thread May 1 i´m lost anyway, because I´m not in the FBI thing at all, and as a non-native English speaker i´m coming to my edge sometimes.
But even when I can´t post here at the moment, I´m reading carefully and I personally don´t wait for TS, in the meantime I re - read all his posts, redirects, updates because maybe I haven´t found an important detail yet.
TS, take your time.
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And half of the time they were married they weren't living together, if it's true what they said.
But were they married for good? Because the marriage certificate is on Michael Joseph , not Michael Joe.
She says he was surrounded by leeches. Was he that naive to not see ?
Was she wrong?
We'll never solve the mistery named Michael Jackson. Summing up what I know about him returns a blank page....again....
There were so many vampires and leeches on your back we already know, or else Michael would not have suffered so much. Michael seemed innocent, but do not know if he was naive enough to not realize anything. But if he had noticed, would he have been charged again in 2003?
This statement of Liza, confirms what Latoya and Joe said about conspiracy and horrible people who were controlling Michael's life. If it were so, then it isn't difficult to accept the theory of murder!
It is very difficult to know. Believers see him as a hero and non believers as victim. Which one is correct?
Do you remember of a phrase spoken in the movie V? "I'm more of a demon when I act like an angel"[/[/i][/u]b] :twisted:
That is correct, Michael?[/[/u]quote]
interesting that you point this out. that is the very feeling i get sometimes watching him in certain circumstances.
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this is funny penguin/ i don't think we have ever had a thread that went more than one page that didn't get off topic. i can't for the life of me see how one can put together a puzzle without one part of the picture slopping over onto another peice of the puzzle and then that one becoming a part of the next. it is the process that has gone on the intire time.maybe what you are really looking for is for people to commit to a conclusion, perhaps in the hopes that it will provoke ts to return and give us a grade.
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It's real life movie.
Chappie
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It's real life movie.
Chappie
how does that work exactly , someone writes a script and then it plays out in real life? doesn't that leave an awful lot to luck or whatever? guess it could be but it is a very risky sounding venture for everyone involved not just it's creater.
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It's real life movie.
Chappie
I agree. The clues have all pointed to this conclusion from the beginning. Our original instincts were probably the most accurate ones... whenever I read back... ancient hoax history threads and blogs... the good theories from then are largely all still standing. As we progressed further, the theories start to get a little more out there, a little more fantastical, and much more likely to be debunked with time.
I laid out my theory for hoax court, with supporting evidence, 4 or 5 pieces of supporting evidence, on page 1... and I'm sticking with it. I have no reason to change my mind, we have had no developments since then that caused me to do so. We can only turn it over so many times. We are working with 100% pure speculation... and that's a very soft vantage point to work from.
As far as being off topic, I know I feel a need to keep this thread on page one of new posts, because I want TS to see that we are actively interested in his discussion... keeping the home fires burning if you will. Surely others have posted from time to time for the same reason. I am experiencing a great deal of anxiety in regards to TS's absence. This thread is the only link to him that we have at current.
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I get the impression that TS will show up soon.
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In my opinion there is a chance he won't comment on it at all, if this sting is still on-going. Why make some people wiser than they already are?
In all respects,what was the purpose of this thread then ?
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And half of the time they were married they weren't living together, if it's true what they said.
But were they married for good? Because the marriage certificate is on Michael Joseph , not Michael Joe.
She says he was surrounded by leeches. Was he that naive to not see ?
Was she wrong?
We'll never solve the mistery named Michael Jackson. Summing up what I know about him returns a blank page....again....
There were so many vampires and leeches on your back we already know, or else Michael would not have suffered so much. Michael seemed innocent, but do not know if he was naive enough to not realize anything. But if he had noticed, would he have been charged again in 2003?
This statement of Liza, confirms what Latoya and Joe said about conspiracy and horrible people who were controlling Michael's life. If it were so, then it isn't difficult to accept the theory of murder!
It is very difficult to know. Believers see him as a hero and non believers as victim. Which one is correct?
Do you remember of a phrase spoken in the movie V? "I'm more of a demon when I act like an angel"[/[/i][/u]b] :twisted:
That is correct, Michael?[/[/u]quote]
interesting that you point this out. that is the very feeling i get sometimes watching him in certain circumstances.
yes the same here but I can't decide if he really was playing little hoaxes - playing the victim role - or he simply is not very good at being persuasive. You know there are people who have a real talent to get in trouble all the time and what if Michael is one of them?
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WHY is it that whenever I have stated very clearly that this is MY opinion someone goes on the defense? Everyone states their opinion and most do not get feedback or comments saying personal/feely reaction comments.
@MJonmind IF you feel the last 7 pages were of help then WHAT conclusion have you decided; STING court or HOAX court? That is what the bottom line is. IF the info is relevant for you and anyone else to decide then say it, present a theory so it can be challenged. The way the thread is now there is info but most aren't making a decision and stating it on the record or forming a theory of their decisions.
Let me have my opinions without the defensive comments in reply. I read this thread everyday even if I haven't commented alot lately. Step out of the comfort zone and just say what it is you think and don't be afraid to be wrong. It may turn out your right but you will never know if you strattle the fence.
Peace
I am going to get defensive here as well. As bec already said, we do not have enough knowledge of how the FBI operates and it's only guessing who the focus of the sting would be. People did give their opinions on it and explained why, which is also why the Diana and Tohme comments were posted. The Diana discussion is just to show why for example the royal establishment could be a focus. Others think Tohme might have the answers, that is why Tohme is also discussed. There have been many comments with arguments about why it would be a hoax or sting court TS could have commented on, so in my opinion the fact that this thread has gone somewhat off topic is not the reason TS hasn't commented yet. This thread is nearly 3 weeks old, so it's not really that strange. We are simply stuck here since we can't think of something else, or are still thinking and trying to get there by discussing matters that seem off topic. I really don't think that that is why TS hasn't commented yet, most definitely since people said 10+ pages back that they were stuck. In my opinion there is a chance he won't comment on it at all, if this sting is still on-going. Why make some people wiser than they already are? I bet he didn't only made himself believable to many of us.
Besides that, TS can get everyone back on topic in a blink of an eye if he wants, as he did before. And we must not forget that TS is also just a human being, who might have other important things coming his path which need to be dealt with first.
WHY is it that whenever I have stated very clearly that this is MY opinion someone goes on the defense? fresse/
Again why is it that I can't have MY opinion on something without people getting defensive. I never named names and pointed fingers at any of you who have commented to me after I posted MY recent opinion based on MY observation. I never said Souza you are...or MJonmind you are...
I do not agree with what bec said about not having enough knowledge about the FBI. I do think we have enough info to form a theory and opinion of what we (collectively), you, me or anyone else thinks this STING or HOAX court is. I do not think we need to have every detail down to exactly who (names) in order to have a good idea of who (many entities, systems) the majority of the sting operation is meant for. I do not think this is as international as you do.
The main point of this thread and question from TS was about the LOCAL (USA) court in LA. This question of whether or not it is a STING court or HOAX court is based on Murray's trial and again that is in the USA and LA.
I obviously think differently and I respect everyones right to their thoughts, theories, and opinions. Why can't I have the same respect? I specifically said the last 7 pages of info was not what this topic was about. I didn't say the first 11 pages (minus the panic comments) didn't have good info regarding STING vs HOAX court. I do think in those pages we were on topic and had just begun to debate the 2 theories and then it went south, east, west and north as far as the topics being discussed; which in my opinion have nothing to do with a LOCAL LA court system problem when it comes to Murray.
Of course TS could turn this thread around in an instant but again that was not what I was saying. I stated my opinion on why I thought he hasn't commented. I am very aware of TS being human and having other obligations so that was not what I was referring to when I stated why I thought he hasn't commented. I am taking a break again and will just go to read only in this thread.
Peace
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Why can't I post MY opinion on it? Yes, we have enough to come up with a THEORY, you state that right. Theory aka speculation.
But anyways, I am not going to have a discussion over it. I'm too busy already with other members 'discussing'.
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I think that maybe TS hasn't been around because there HAS been progress made in this thread, as off topic as it may seem to have gotten. Is gotten a word? :? Anyways, the way I see it is - we have a hoax (Michael's "death") and we have a sting (FBI involvement). So that's why I think the whole court thing is a combination of both, which I've said before in this thread. It doesn't necessarily HAVE to be one or the other, in fact, that makes the least sense to me.
And even if this thread has gone off topic or way out there, I don't see anybody de-bunking the research and information that members have given. I do realize that it's hard to debunk a "conspiracy theory" but when there are so many coincidences and eyebrow-raising questions (like the Princess Di stuff), it's hard to just dismiss it. And I do think the sting goes beyond Michael's immediate circle. Remember, the main question posed by TS in this thread:
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
I don't think we'll just be told straight out who The Sting is focused on but I'm sure TS will come back and comment at an appropriate TIME.
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Why can't I post MY opinion on it? Yes, we have enough to come up with a THEORY, you state that right. Theory aka speculation.
But anyways, I am not going to have a discussion over it. I'm too busy already with other members 'discussing'.
Souza I have said already I respect others opinions and I will say again, you do have a right to your opinion too. I am already a strong believer in everyone having that right so why would I think you have no right?
My main point in what I have said is: the basic simple questions and area of focus is whether or not the court is a STING or HOAX court. I am basing that thought on what TS said from the start. While I agree with the findings of Princess Diana and the film exposing The Royal Family being behind her death; I do not think that was where we were supposed to go in this thread. Tohme is a relative character if one wants to say he is part of the focus regarding the sting. As for theories some do turn out to be true so it is beyond speculation sometimes. All the dirty shit and secrets about the world I am very aware of. I was suggesting what the MAIN point of this thread was supposed to be about.
Peace
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It’s time for another level. 8-)
We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus.
Most specifically, though, we need to investigate whether the entire court is in on the hoax, or could the court itself be the focus of the FBI investigation (or part of the investigation). Some have already proposed this possibility, while others have summarily dismissed it. As always, please do not dismiss any theory until it has been thoroughly debunked. And whatever theory you personally believe, try to debunk your own theory; many hoax investigators are still not doing this.
In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS :lol: ), etc.
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
We are also at the point, which I mentioned earlier, of running two different coherent theories in parallel. And as we try to put all the pieces together—including the research of previous levels, as well as the new information that we will get during the hearings—hopefully one of the two theories will fall into place, and the other one will fall apart.
Although there are endless minor variations within these two main coherent theories, for the purpose of this level we are only examining two basic theories: the court is in on the hoax, or the court is not in on the hoax (other than the defense, and maybe a few other key people). For the sake of discussion, we can refer to these two theories as “hoax court” and “sting court”.
In level one, we found that the ambulance photo was staged in advance. In level two, we found that at least a few key people in the FBI are helping with the hoax (and cooperating with one or more in the LAFD). In level three, there are still a few different ideas about who or what (if anything) went in the ambulance on the stretcher to UCLA; most agree however that a corpse was not used.
Even though level three is still unresolved, yet we can and should start investigating level four (The Sting). Actually, level three and four are closely related—so much so that if we get a clear answer to level four, then level three will probably be easy to resolve (and vice versa).
To be more specific: if it’s hoax court, then there would be little if any need to use a corpse; but if it is sting court, then the corpse theory has a strong case. This would not only reduce the people who would need to be in on it, but it would also allow witnesses to testify truthfully in real court under oath (both witnesses who are in on it, and those who are not).
It has been suggested that this would constitute entrapment; but sting versus entrapment does not depend on using a dummy versus a corpse. It would be possible to use a dummy, and still qualify as entrapment, if the job was done so airtight that nobody could figure it out. On the other hand: it would be possible to use a corpse, and not qualify as entrapment, as long as there are plenty of clues and evidence that MJ is still alive. If the hoax forums can figure out that MJ is alive, when most of the members are not even professional investigators, then what excuse would the LA prosecution have for not figuring it out?
Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose. Just bring into this thread discussion and evidence related to the focus of The Sting, and especially whether it is hoax court or sting court.
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Ok, i use a different logic. If it were a sting court and TS knows it, he wouldn't even bring it up on a highly rated forum for security reasons (i don't think anyone on this board is ill intent). So...no, if TS is an insider i don't believe it's a sting operation.
But even if it were, we wouldn't have a clue because that would be the opposite of what a sting operation is: TOP SECRET. In my small opinion this is the reason why you are stucked. It's a problematical question from the start.
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Well I can't speak for everyone but I think you put people on the defensive, Im_convinced, when you said the thread has gone in the crapper, which it is a small step from that to say that everyone's comments (and thus OPINIONS) are shit... so to come back and complain that you're not allowed to share your comment and opinion comes across as disingenuous. Not judging, just providing a possible explanation as to why you feel as though your opinion is attacked: it's because you put things in a way that make people feel as though you're attacking their opinions first. You also have a habit of joining a long running convo to drop bombs on the unsuspecting. I think if you had removed that line about the thread going in the crapper and left the rest, you would have gotten much different responses. Whatever, just own it and realize that your action gets an equal and opposite reaction, doesn't matter to me, I just want to point out that I think you're wrong to say you're being treated unfairly.
I do however appreciate your sentiment of wanting to stay on topic, and quoting the OP, it's a good reminder, and so I agree with you there.
Ps. heartphantom, TS covered entrapment, which addresses your concern, during the last level.
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Ok, i use a different logic. If it were a sting court and TS knows it, he wouldn't even bring it up on a highly rated forum for security reasons (i don't think anyone on this board is ill intent). So...no, if TS is an insider i don't believe it's a sting operation.
But even if it were, we wouldn't have a clue because that would be the opposite of what a sting operation is: TOP SECRET. In my small opinion this is the reason why you are stucked. It's a problematical question from the start.
Makes sense. So, it's like chasing our own tails....keeps us busy....but we don't really accomplish anything.
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Well I can't speak for everyone but I think you put people on the defensive, Im_convinced, when you said the thread has gone in the crapper, which it is a small step from that to say that everyone's comments (and thus OPINIONS) are shit... so to come back and complain that you're not allowed to share your comment and opinion comes across as disingenuous. Not judging, just providing a possible explanation as to why you feel as though your opinion is attacked: it's because you put things in a way that make people feel as though you're attacking their opinions first. You also have a habit of joining a long running convo to drop bombs on the unsuspecting. I think if you had removed that line about the thread going in the crapper and left the rest, you would have gotten much different responses. Whatever, just own it and realize that your action gets an equal and opposite reaction, doesn't matter to me, I just want to point out that I think you're wrong to say you're being treated unfairly.
I do however appreciate your sentiment of wanting to stay on topic, and quoting the OP, it's a good reminder, and so I agree with you there.
Ps. heartphantom, TS covered entrapment, which addresses your concern, during the last level.
Ok bec I will say that you are entitled to your thoughts on why people get defensive. I have also seen other people say some down right rude and obvious comments towards people and most of the time no one says shit to them. I am not the only one who has said the topic was off. There are a few comments on other pages and no one said diddle to them.
I did not say people's thoughts/opinions were shit. I said this THREAD has gone in the crapper which is my way of observing it. I do not comment towards you in a defensive manner when you say some rude things and even when you said rude things to me directly in the level 3 thread. I don't always agree with everything people write and I don't always agree with what you write but I do not say that you or others are wrong in their feelings.
Not one time did I say I was being treated unfairly or complaining about it. I was pointing out a trend when it concerns my opinions. It has always gone that way since I joined this forum. I think differently than the majority of people and I do not say things for sympathy. bec you have loudly expressed your feelings on the TIAI threads when you felt angry or frustrated about things you thought were correct and you didn't understand why you weren't being acknowleged.
As for dropping in once and a while: I didn't post on the other subjects being discussed because I felt it wasn't necessary or relevant to the original topic. Had people said something that was directly related to the original topic I would have posted based on whether someone had a good theory or bad theory based on the info presented.
Believe me this isn't the first time my opinions have been attacked. Did anyone say anything about the comments posted by TS back on level 3 thread regarding some theories people should look at? What happened was people who felt strongly towards the no body theory, it is all a movie, and no ambulance was there that day went immediately on the defense. Did anyone even read or take into consideration the links TS posted regarding the cadaver theory?
fresse/
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Oh trust me I'm aware I'm no angel. As far as how you feel you are received, if it's a repeated pattern with a general collective everyone, why do you think that could be? Just saying. I have no fight with you, you just seem to be seeking explanations and this is what I can offer you.
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Oh trust me I'm aware I'm no angel. As far as how you feel you are received, if it's a repeated pattern with a general collective everyone, why do you think that could be? Just saying. I have no fight with you, you just seem to be seeking explanations and this is what I can offer you.
Here is my thing bec I do not feel anything about how I am being received. I am stating an observation of others patterns not mine. That is were the problem is. It is not me who has the issue when it concerns owning my own thoughts or opinions, it is how others perceive what I have said. When you state I am wrong or that you think people are this way; that is how YOU perceive things not what I meant. I appreciate you thinking I was looking for answers or explanations but I merely was posting questions for others to think about. I never expect an answer to the questions I ask. When someone does respond I take what they say into consideration.
This will be my last post about this so the thread can continue on topic (hopefully) lolol/
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Gooood Morning everybody!
After having read over the last three pages I´d like to post the idea that you could solve your differences by PM or in the chatroom also.
With all my respect to everyone of you wonderful and unique people here, I can´t get rid of the feeling that the atmo in the whole forum is going to be very tight and nervous, for what reason ever.
I´d like to remind you that we probably have a lot of new guests here, everyone can read here, and probably Michael is reading here, too. I´m not the first one to mention that.
I´m posting this because I found another thread this morning which had to be locked by Souza, for exactly the same reason.
Well, I łl have my coffee now in the sun,on this extremely wonderful German morning, and when I come back I hope this thread isn´t locked as well.
Peace! bearhug
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Ok, i use a different logic. If it were a sting court and TS knows it, he wouldn't even bring it up on a highly rated forum for security reasons (i don't think anyone on this board is ill intent). So...no, if TS is an insider i don't believe it's a sting operation.
But even if it were, we wouldn't have a clue because that would be the opposite of what a sting operation is: TOP SECRET. In my small opinion this is the reason why you are stucked. It's a problematical question from the start.
Makes sense. So, it's like chasing our own tails....keeps us busy....but we don't really accomplish anything.
Well, so, we are bored now :lol: we need more of TS party/
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Is this the last level TS?
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I really believe TS is showing us enough so that we still see flaws in the "Death" of MJ. But is also showing us this is something very serious going down that it is involving the F.B.I. None of us here are true investigators that i know of,but yet we have enough proof in our own minds that the man is still alive. A reason Jermaine may have said what he did on twitter may be because they need to make him seem dead to catch whoever the sting is for. We will never have enough proof that he is alive until he returns with a BAM. If they did show us undeniable proof,the BAM would not work,plus the criminals would not do the crimes because they would know they were being set up.Even with all we know right now When the BAM does happen we all will be shocked because there was just enough doubt. I am just waiting and feel we are almost there,the excitement is building in me. I am sure it is for all of you as well. God bless you all, Peace and Love. mj_dance/
Welcome to this forum We LIVE Forever :)
I agree. I think we've come so far with our investigation that now we've reached a point that we have to put things on hold, or slow down a bit, because there must be still doubt or confusion and tension in order to reach the BAM effect. If there won't be a BAM, or even a return, we will never know if we were on the right track. That's fine with me, because I have a great time with this hoax family and I've learned a lot. Though, like you said, WeLiveForever, the exicement is building in me and I feel something is simmering 'I can feel it in the air'(of the song 'Monster').
So *sigh*.. we'll have to wait (not tooo long please :lol: :lol: ) L.O.V.E. you all.
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Maybe today is the day for our next level TS? 3 x 7 = 21 typing/
bearhug to you all
moonwalk_/
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TS_comments wrote:
michaelsupporter wrote:TS,
Are you at liberty to disclose any information on Thome and his involvement-good or bad-in this matter? ...
Thanks
No.
Also, I would like to keep this thread on topic: paramedics, and staged photo done in LAFD #71, or a different ambulance, etc.
TS was referring here to the issue of paramedics, and staged photo done in LAFD # 71, or A Different ambulance. Tohme is the person who least mentioned in all this, why?
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Does anyone else think that TS may have just evaporated like other "informers"???
Things may've just not panned out so he skipped out on us.....
I haven't been on almost at all lately, moving, new pet to train...and not much going on in the Michaeling dept, outside of speculation or world news I can find on TV, so perhaps, TS is feeling the same. His life has become too full to keep giving us clues.
What do you think?
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fordtocarr wrote:
Does anyone else think that TS may have just evaporated like other "informers"???
Things may've just not panned out so he skipped out on us.....
I haven't been on almost at all lately, moving, new pet to train...and not much going on in the Michaeling dept, outside of speculation or world news I can find on TV, so perhaps, TS is feeling the same. His life has become too full to keep giving us clues.
What do you think?
(http://emoticones.sullca.com/images/rsgallery/original/confundido_emoticon_no_entender_www_trucoslive_x10hosting_com.gif) I do not know, but just as we can go forward without TS :)
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He'll be back.
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it's not that we can't go forward without TS but the ride is funnier with him around penguin/
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For a long time I never really understood what the relevance of the phrase "time heals all wounds" really meant. Now I do. The more time you put between you and an event, be it painful or joyous, the easier it becomes to accept the outcome. I guess that's where I am now. I can accept what ever the outcome will be.
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it's not that we can't go forward without TS but the ride is funnier with him around penguin/
Not only funnier, but also more interesting and exciting.
I think we were trapped at this level.
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It seems to me like everything stopped after Jermaine said michael wasn't alive on twitter. :/
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It seems to me like everything stopped after Jermaine said michael wasn't alive on twitter. :/
Funny, that´s my feeling as well.
It´s quiet here, apart from the fact that some users are arguing more.
Could be a test: who will loose faith now?
I won´t.
On the other hand I appreciate the "slow motion", the other TS threads were quite speedy and sometimes hard to follow when you are new and don´t have very much basic knowledge yet.
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It seems to me like everything stopped after Jermaine said michael wasn't alive on twitter. :/
Funny, that´s my feeling as well.
It´s quiet here, apart from the fact that some users are arguing more.
Could be a test: who will loose faith now?
I won´t.
On the other hand I appreciate the "slow motion", the other TS threads were quite speedy and sometimes hard to follow when you are new and don´t have very much basic knowledge yet.
I'll never lose faith, it just seems like there's nothing happening. Maybe we're in the eye of the hurricane... calm before the storm? :?
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Hello, TS!
Since I always read your posts with a great interest and appreciate your time and efforts you put into all this, I want to ask you a question if you let me.
Have you ever considered the possibility of the family being NOT in the know? I mean not one of them. Not even Katherine.
Thanx in advance.
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Hello, TS!
Since I always read your posts with a great interest and appreciate your time and efforts you put into all this, I want to ask you a question if you let me.
Have you ever considered the possibility of the family being NOT in the know? I mean not one of them. Not even Katherine.
Thanx in advance.
TS wrote about it in his updates. Maybe you haven't read them yet. Here: viewforum.php?f=125 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=125)
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It seems like we are on our own. At least for a while. I wonder why TS didn't make any new post. He could be busy with his life etc but how long would it take to make a post and explain what's going on. At least he could tell that he wasn't going to make any posts till the trial begins. I don't get this silence. I don't believe that any of us would lose our hope or faith if TS doesn't write again but still I wonder if his sudden disappearance is related with Jermaine's tweets.
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Hello, TS!
Since I always read your posts with a great interest and appreciate your time and efforts you put into all this, I want to ask you a question if you let me.
Have you ever considered the possibility of the family being NOT in the know? I mean not one of them. Not even Katherine.
Thanx in advance.
TS wrote about it in his updates. Maybe you haven't read them yet. Here: viewforum.php?f=125 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=125)
Thank you, PureLove. I read some, but not all of them.
If you could tell me what's the TS's opinion considering my question it would be greatly appreciated.
It's just there are so many threads with his updates, Im afraid I will lost into them. fresse/
Thanks
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I believe, and always will believe, that the reasons for Mike's disappearance is all in his music. Ecspecially HIStory, BOTDF and Invincible albums. Extortion, Assassination Attempts, Death Threats, Corruption (both related and unrelated to his own life), Destroying all lies and propaganda. As we sleep, people are kidnapped, murdered, blackmailed, hunted and sold by those they trust. A sting operation would have more purpose in his life than just a 'mind game', if Michael is the man I believe he is, this would seem much more plausible than any other theory. He has seen more in his life, good and bad, than any of us can ever imagine. TS will come back, I'm sure of it! June 1 is 9 days away. Lets be patient because its really our only option. Go for a jog, talk to a neighbor you haven't met already, call an old friend, pray to God, pray to Allah, pray to Buddha, a Pagan God, Moses, Mother Mary, whoever your god or messenger is, may they bring you relief and comfort. Whatever you do, don't stress over TS' absence from the forum. Its hard for me to believe its because he is 'busy', he hasn't had a problem in any of the other TIAI posts. June is around the corner, the 3rd anniversary of Michael's rebirth. Could it be related? IDK, who knows if TS really is an insider, who knows if the moon is really made of cheese lol who knows?!? I'm just tired of the hating and arguing, I'm not sure how old each of you are, but in the words of Prince "Act your age, not your shoe size"
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here we go again i will be the guilty one to get us off topic , maybe . has anyone seen this ? do you think there is any possible way there could be a connection? probably not , but since we are already in the crapper , why not ;) penguin/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_ ... ob_arrests (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_on_re_us/us_philadelphia_mob_arrests)
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here we go again i will be the guilty one to get us off topic , maybe . has anyone seen this ? do you think there is any possible way there could be a connection? probably not , but since we are already in the crapper , why not ;) penguin/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_ ... ob_arrests (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_on_re_us/us_philadelphia_mob_arrests)
Who knows? This goes on so much, its probably unrelated. But good story, I'm glad they got their crooked asses!
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Thank you, PureLove. I read some, but not all of them.
If you could tell me what's the TS's opinion considering my question it would be greatly appreciated.
It's just there are so many threads with his updates, Im afraid I will lost into them. fresse/
Thanks
TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder
4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???
If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6929}
More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers); so I guess it didn’t work very well, if they were trying to convince all the fans that it was a death hoax.
But far more even than the fans, the murderers would need to shield themselves from detection by the family; because the family would be motivated to catch the murderers, as much or more than most fans. And in this case, several family members are already well known in the music industry (Jackson Five, Janet Jackson, etc). So as much or more than any other family, the murderers would want to avoid detection by the Jackson family—because they have the influence to do something about it.
Now get ready for the murder-theory destroying question: if they planned a murder to look like a hoax, what is the likelihood that they could http://succeed in convincing the http://family that MJ faked his death???????
The only way that a murder (made to look like a hoax) could work, is if the family was in on the murder plot—whether for money, or their own lives were threatened, or because they all hated him and wanted him dead, or something. I’m not trying to say that any of these things are true; but we are turning every stone, so to speak.
It is quite unlikely that even one family member would want MJ dead, much less the entire family. It is also unlikely that any family member could be bought with money to help in a murder plot; and again, certainly not the entire family. The threat of death is no doubt a stronger motivation than money; but true love is stronger than death—so if there’s even one family member that truly loves MJ, then the whole family could not be in on a murder plot.
Yet another problem is that we have Jermaine and others saying that they know all about it, and they are going to spill the beans. So I guess the huge, long-term, and very complicated plot to murder MJ and make it look like a hoax—it didn’t work! And they had to be planning it for many years: including the will dated 7-7-02, and the 1998 autographs (somehow they convinced or forced MJ to do this). All that ingenuity, and it failed!
Yet another problem is the many indications not only of the hoax, but also of the return and bam. Wouldn’t it be better to make it look like a hoax with no return, so that the hoax believers would not be expecting to see MJ again (then they could believe the hoax for decades, and not wonder what happened to MJ)? In fact, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier to murder MJ with an entirely different plan—having nothing to do with a death hoax? They could make it look like an accident (car or airplane), or maybe a suicide; perhaps a “crazy” person could just shoot him (Lennon), etc.
4-18. Jermaine and La Toya Supported 9-9-09
Jermaine had his MJ Tribute press conference in London on 9-9-09! {http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1621118/20090910/jackson_michael.jhtml; also http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i ... r-tribute/ (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/10/jermaine-jackson-insists-blige-and-brown-booked-for-tribute/), and http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... type=&aq=f (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jermaine+jackson+london&search_type=&aq=f)} London??? Yes, London—exactly where “This Is It” concerts were originally scheduled; and also where the O2 press conference was held on March 5, 2009 {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo}. However, half of a year later, the MJ Tribute is still listed as “coming soon” {http://www.thetribute2010.com/}. So what are the chances that this announcement in London just happened to be on 9-9-09?
In the original set of redirects, R44 was a picture of “99” (on 12-16 & 12-17)—which was 99 days from 9-9-09 (inclusive on the 16th, and standard on the 17th). Two days later, TMZ posted this video of La Toya Jackson Christmas shopping (although posted on the 18th, she did the actual shopping during the “99” redirect). At 0:47, the camera points to a “9.99” price tag for about 5 seconds {http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/18/la-toya-jackson-chris-brown-tiger-woods-target-christmas-holiday-shopping-video/}
2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on MLK Day
Here is their tweet: “if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” {8:38 PM Jan 18th from web; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787)}.
First of all, we need to understand both the time and the subject context of this tweet. The date was January 18, 2010—which was of course MLK Day; and indeed they knew what day it was, as can be clearly seen in two earlier tweets that day {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910852947; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080)}. This was also one day after the final Jackson Reality Show, which ended with a visit to Forest Lawn {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=82}.
The tweets both before and after the “revealed” tweet were all on the subject of the Reality Show, and especially the ending about MJ. Some of the tweets even mention MJ specifically {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS; click “more” at the bottom of the page, until you get to January 18 tweets}.
So the context of this “revealed” tweet is clearly about MJ. The next step is to understand that this tweet is in response to hoax believers (“if u don't think our emotion is real”). Hoaxers have been saying all along, that a huge evidence of the hoax is the lack of tears from the family at the memorial and burial, etc. Surely, they are not ignorant of this.
And what could they possibly be responding to, other than the hoax—could it be that they were responding to accusations that their emotions were not real, because they don’t care that MJ is dead? Who would say such a thing? And even if someone was cold enough to say that, why would they even bother to respond? Worse yet, why would they respond by saying that the media lies?? Has the media been trying to convince people (falsely), that the Jackson family’s emotions are not real???
Sorry, but the statement about emotions and media lying doesn’t make sense, unless they were referring to the hoax theory. So this tweet was in response to hoax believers; and believers themselves have recognized this fact, in threads such as this one: “Jacksons address hoax!!” {posted by dirtydiana2009; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... =17&t=3783 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3783)}. Since this is the most direct statement yet, from the family, about hoax believers: this tweet deserves thorough investigation.
The part about their “emotion is real” does not specifically say emotion from MJ dying; it could be emotion from the pain that the media lies have caused, etc (media lies are mentioned in this tweet, MJ death is not mentioned in this tweet). And in fact, even the hoax itself is painful for MJ (he knows that it has hurt the fans, and that hurts him; also, he wants to return as much or more than his fans want him to return).
Primarily, though, we need to examine the last half of this tweet: “see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”. Notice the very clear plural usage: “see truths [plural] when they [plural] are [plural] revealed to you”. If MJ really were dead, and this is all that they were trying to say, then why the plural? Why wouldn’t it be “see the truth [MJ is dead] when it is revealed”?
And again, why the reference to the media lying?? If the Jacksons know that MJ is really dead, and this is what they are referring to here, then why wouldn’t they be supporting media “truth” (reports that MJ is dead)?? And why the phrase “ur eyes don’t lie”? We have never seen any dead body; so “ur eyes don’t lie” can’t possibly mean that our eyes have already seen for ourselves that MJ is really dead.
The only conclusion which makes sense, is that the Jacksons tweet mentioned “truths” about the hoax—and our eyes don’t lie regarding these things. This also fits the statement about the media lies—the media is not telling the truth about the hoax, they are saying that MJ is dead (but our eyes can see the hoax).
Now let’s take it a step further. Since this is clearly referring to truths about the hoax: why did they use the word “revealed”? Why not use some other word, such as “see truths when they r shown to you”? Or “recognize truths when they r seen by you”? Or any of several other ways to say it?
Do you suppose that they were entirely ignorant of TIAI Revealed—which was posted nearly a month before 1-18, and Part 1 had about 11,000 views by 1-18? Also, TIAI Revealed Update #1 was posted one week before 1-18, and had about 15,000 views by 1-18. Few if any posts on this forum have more views. If any of the Jacksons were paying any attention whatsoever to the hoax forums, then surely they were already aware of TIAI Revealed, on 1-18.
For the sake of TIAI doubters, let’s say that TIAI is not really MJ’s message. Don’t you think in that case, the Jacksons would avoid any hint of support for TIAI—and maybe even give hints against it? Yet instead of that, they use the very word “revealed” in this tweet, the statement which is the clearest statement yet from them about the hoax; and they refer to the things “revealed” as “truths” that “ur eyes” can and should “see”.
Not only did they use the word “revealed”, but they also referred to the media lies—which is one of the main themes in TIAI. Notice that TIAI Revealed, Part 7, even has the word media in the title: “NWO Powers Control the Mass Media”; and redirect #9 has the title: “9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media”.
Last but not least: why was this tweet given on January 18, MLK Day? Do you think that they knew nothing about the MLK connections with the hoax (They Don’t Really Care About Us?)—and do you think they were totally unaware of TIAI Update #1 (with 15,000 views), and the things in there about January 18???
So we have here a clear Jackson statement about the hoax, using the word “revealed”, and referring to media lies—and it was even done on January 18, MLK Day! Either these things are more TIAI “coincidences” (added to all the previous ones), or else they were giving clues about TIAI.
Well, how much clearer of a clue do you want? Do they need to spell out the domain for you: http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com? (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com?)? Be assured, that will not happen before MJ comes back (it would be too big of a hint about the hoax). In fact, don’t be too surprised if they don’t say anything directly even after MJ comes back—surely you can understand why, due to the nature of the subjects involved.
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TheMoonIsDancing wrote:
I believe, and always will believe, that the reasons for Mike's disappearance is all in his music. Ecspecially HIStory, BOTDF and Invincible albums. Extortion, Assassination Attempts, Death Threats, Corruption (both related and unrelated to his own life), Destroying all lies and propaganda. As we sleep, people are kidnapped, murdered, blackmailed, hunted and sold by those they trust. A sting operation would have more purpose in his life than just a 'mind game', if Michael is the man I believe he is, this would seem much more plausible than any other theory.
I think equally
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Thanks PureLove for finding the TIAI posts on the family, almost like finding a needle in a haystack, for things you can't find with the word-search.
by Gema » Fri May 20, 2011 10:50 am
I get the impression that TS will show up soon.
I get the feeling he visits often and is here with us. Is he annoyed we can't stay on track or aren't finding what he wants us to? I doubt it. We are likely the study group that perhaps MJ gages hoax clue releases, probably time-released. The grieving fans aren't even on the same page so he can't go to them. This death-hoax is way too important and MJ has gone to too much work for TS to abandon us. He'll be back. Does anyone know what is the longest TS has stayed away from posting in the past?
by suspicious mind » Fri May 20, 2011 7:22 am
AnaMarcia wrote:
GINAFELICIA wrote:And half of the time they were married they weren't living together, if it's true what they said.
But were they married for good? Because the marriage certificate is on Michael Joseph , not Michael Joe.
She says he was surrounded by leeches. Was he that naive to not see ?
Was she wrong?
We'll never solve the mistery named Michael Jackson. Summing up what I know about him returns a blank page....again....
There were so many vampires and leeches on your back we already know, or else Michael would not have suffered so much. Michael seemed innocent, but do not know if he was naive enough to not realize anything. But if he had noticed, would he have been charged again in 2003?
This statement of Liza, confirms what Latoya and Joe said about conspiracy and horrible people who were controlling Michael's life. If it were so, then it isn't difficult to accept the theory of murder!
It is very difficult to know. Believers see him as a hero and non believers as victim. Which one is correct?
Do you remember of a phrase spoken in the movie V? "I'm more of a demon when I act like an angel"
That is correct, Michael?
interesting that you point this out. that is the very feeling i get sometimes watching him in certain circumstances.
TS
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
It sure didn't seem like the FBI did much to help MJ at the 2005 trial, although more may have been going on behind the scene, and others have even suggested MJ's trial may have been a cover for more serious things happening. I have agonized over the MJ- a victim or hero since the very beginning. There is all this evidence that shows him to be a victim all his life, and paradoxically all the evidence showing him to be smarter than it all, and planning for this hoax for at least 20 years, yet giving the appearance of innocence. I remember one of his bodygaurds saying that MJ hadn't even known what a prostitute was. Haha! MJ performed since a small child in stripper clubs and the seediest dives we can imagine. He probably knows more about prostitutes than the experts. My heart tells me steadily that the Pepsi fire, and both accusations and one trial were also part of the plan. Those feelings have never gone away but stay strong in my heart. That doesn't say he didn't experience excruciating emotional pain as things happened, but he set in motion a series of events that perhaps were God-ordained or he felt called by God to set things in motion. Somewhere along the line with the 2005 the FBI got involved. My personal belief is that the FBI are not on the good side, though many working with them may have good intentions. But perhaps MJ's trial had the effect of stirring the evil hornet's nest, exposing massive child sexual abuse by the rich and powerful in the USA and world-wide. What MJ supposedly did to a child is absolutely nothing to the horrific violence done to millions of children every day. MJ shouldered the world's hatred of people who hurt and exploit children. But this decades long "sting" is far from over, just a different chapter. My opinion is if the FBI are involved, MJ is only using them. MJ's heart is with children--period. I'm still struck by the sight of MJ placing his hand on the shoulder of the gaurd outside the courtroom in 2005, and before that placing his hand on the shoulder of a security personnel in the filming of TDRCAU in the rough neighbourhood of Brazil; as if MJ was saying "I am in charge here. Don't forget that." It reminds me of when Jesus said to the Jewish leaders who were wondering why he wasn't answering their questions at his trial, that they wouldn't have any power at all if God didn't choose to allow them this moment in history, that they were really nothing. These are just my thoughts concerning the hoax versus sting trial coming up for Conrad Murray, who represents Michael we have concluded. Hoax trial, with some perhaps believing it's a sting IDK.
suspicious mind
Feds take down Philadelphia reputed mob boss
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_ (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_) ... ob_arrests
Finally, the responses to this article show a truer pespective, in my mind, as to what real justice would look like, and what real National protectors of US citizens would do. To me it seems to be an illusion that the FBI are really our friends--more like friends of bankers, politicians, multi-national companies, etc.
John 5
Now if we could get the feds to take down the wall street mob. Now that would be news.
Harrold Dyers
A much bigger prize would be Wall St. and the criminals that caused the 2008 crash.
bewildered
la cosa nostra are small potatoes now..the big ones are the columbian drug lords , the mexican drug dealers and maybe biggest of all the criminals are the gangs operating here in the usa
Christine
Excellent!! now if the feds can only crack down on the other crime syndicates in our cities, our politicians then they would really be doing something. Honestly....what's worse...these guys taking bets from people or our politicians raping us with their taxes and abusing their authority and wasting the money they take from us?
Charles
Government HATES competition!
no issue
I love it, they bring these guys up on Loansharking charges, but credit card companies can legally charge over 30%.....b@st@rds!
maine
What's the difference in "loan sharking" by the mob and our financial institutions? Bank of America says if you're late on a credit card payment, the interest rate goes to 29.99% . Who's the loan shark?
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It seems like we are on our own. At least for a while. I wonder why TS didn't make any new post. He could be busy with his life etc but how long would it take to make a post and explain what's going on. At least he could tell that he wasn't going to make any posts till the trial begins. I don't get this silence. I don't believe that any of us would lose our hope or faith if TS doesn't write again but still I wonder if his sudden disappearance is related with Jermaine's tweets.
Your right, remember on the other thread TS said;
Sorry, circumstances have taken me away from much attention here recently. Will be back soon.
So at least he would of given us a warning.
But I think MJFAN7 is right;
I'll never lose faith, it just seems like there's nothing happening. Maybe we're in the eye of the hurricane... calm before the storm? :?
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I remember one of his bodygaurds saying that MJ hadn't even known what a prostitute was. Haha! MJ performed since a small child in stripper clubs and the seediest dives we can imagine. He probably knows more about prostitutes than the experts.
Absolutely :lol:
Somewhere along the line with the 2005 the FBI got involved. My personal belief is that the FBI are not on the good side, though many working with them may have good intentions. But perhaps MJ's trial had the effect of stirring the evil hornet's nest, exposing massive child sexual abuse by the rich and powerful in the USA and world-wide. What MJ supposedly did to a child is absolutely nothing to the horrific violence done to millions of children every day
You read my mind bow/
And not only that, what about the death penalty?. Death penalty is legal in many USA states. Pharma companies sell the drugs that are used to be injected and the state pays for those.
May people who condenms Murray are pro death penalty. Makes no sense. How ironic.
Any way, what I would think MJ is trying to expose is the drug industry and the doctors with license "to kill" giving heavy prescription drugs to anyone who would pay for it. Some docs are very corrupted.
If Murray "killed" Michael is because he wasn´t informed about the drugs given by docs to Michael, and he said so in his defense.
Murray said he tried to get MJ out of demerol. Who gave demerol previously to MJ?, wasn´t Klein, his "friend and doctor"?. Wasn´t Klein also the one treating his skin condition? wasn´t Klein the one refusing to give MJ´s medical journal away?
Murray, as a Doctor, I guess needed to have MJ´s medical files in order to go on with a "detox" treatment to start with.
More about Klein. I watched the interview in TMZ where he said that MJ had body dismorphia yet he fueled MJ with drugs, creams and surgeries. Makes no sense once more.
There was a bunch of prescription drugs at MJ´s house labeled with different people´s names and doctors who prescribed them got money for it.
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It seems like we are on our own. At least for a while. I wonder why TS didn't make any new post. He could be busy with his life etc but how long would it take to make a post and explain what's going on. At least he could tell that he wasn't going to make any posts till the trial begins. I don't get this silence. I don't believe that any of us would lose our hope or faith if TS doesn't write again but still I wonder if his sudden disappearance is related with Jermaine's tweets.
Your right, remember on the other thread TS said;
Sorry, circumstances have taken me away from much attention here recently. Will be back soon.
So at least he would of given us a warning.
But I think MJFAN7 is right;
I'll never lose faith, it just seems like there's nothing happening. Maybe we're in the eye of the hurricane... calm before the storm? :?
Calm before the storm? I hope so. But still a calm for 4 months is a little bit long I think IF we don't get anything from TS till the trial.
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Thanks PureLove for finding the TIAI posts on the family, almost like finding a needle in a haystack, for things you can't find with the word-search.
by Gema » Fri May 20, 2011 10:50 am
I get the impression that TS will show up soon.
I get the feeling he visits often and is here with us. Is he annoyed we can't stay on track or aren't finding what he wants us to? I doubt it. We are likely the study group that perhaps MJ gages hoax clue releases, probably time-released. The grieving fans aren't even on the same page so he can't go to them. This death-hoax is way too important and MJ has gone to too much work for TS to abandon us. He'll be back. Does anyone know what is the longest TS has stayed away from posting in the past?
by suspicious mind » Fri May 20, 2011 7:22 am
AnaMarcia wrote:
GINAFELICIA wrote:And half of the time they were married they weren't living together, if it's true what they said.
But were they married for good? Because the marriage certificate is on Michael Joseph , not Michael Joe.
She says he was surrounded by leeches. Was he that naive to not see ?
Was she wrong?
We'll never solve the mistery named Michael Jackson. Summing up what I know about him returns a blank page....again....
There were so many vampires and leeches on your back we already know, or else Michael would not have suffered so much. Michael seemed innocent, but do not know if he was naive enough to not realize anything. But if he had noticed, would he have been charged again in 2003?
This statement of Liza, confirms what Latoya and Joe said about conspiracy and horrible people who were controlling Michael's life. If it were so, then it isn't difficult to accept the theory of murder!
It is very difficult to know. Believers see him as a hero and non believers as victim. Which one is correct?
Do you remember of a phrase spoken in the movie V? "I'm more of a demon when I act like an angel"
That is correct, Michael?
interesting that you point this out. that is the very feeling i get sometimes watching him in certain circumstances.
TS
We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
{http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
It sure didn't seem like the FBI did much to help MJ at the 2005 trial, although more may have been going on behind the scene, and others have even suggested MJ's trial may have been a cover for more serious things happening. I have agonized over the MJ- a victim or hero since the very beginning. There is all this evidence that shows him to be a victim all his life, and paradoxically all the evidence showing him to be smarter than it all, and planning for this hoax for at least 20 years, yet giving the appearance of innocence. I remember one of his bodygaurds saying that MJ hadn't even known what a prostitute was. Haha! MJ performed since a small child in stripper clubs and the seediest dives we can imagine. He probably knows more about prostitutes than the experts. My heart tells me steadily that the Pepsi fire, and both accusations and one trial were also part of the plan. Those feelings have never gone away but stay strong in my heart. That doesn't say he didn't experience excruciating emotional pain as things happened, but he set in motion a series of events that perhaps were God-ordained or he felt called by God to set things in motion. Somewhere along the line with the 2005 the FBI got involved. My personal belief is that the FBI are not on the good side, though many working with them may have good intentions. But perhaps MJ's trial had the effect of stirring the evil hornet's nest, exposing massive child sexual abuse by the rich and powerful in the USA and world-wide. What MJ supposedly did to a child is absolutely nothing to the horrific violence done to millions of children every day. MJ shouldered the world's hatred of people who hurt and exploit children. But this decades long "sting" is far from over, just a different chapter. My opinion is if the FBI are involved, MJ is only using them. MJ's heart is with children--period. I'm still struck by the sight of MJ placing his hand on the shoulder of the gaurd outside the courtroom in 2005, and before that placing his hand on the shoulder of a security personnel in the filming of TDRCAU in the rough neighbourhood of Brazil; as if MJ was saying "I am in charge here. Don't forget that." It reminds me of when Jesus said to the Jewish leaders who were wondering why he wasn't answering their questions at his trial, that they wouldn't have any power at all if God didn't choose to allow them this moment in history, that they were really nothing. These are just my thoughts concerning the hoax versus sting trial coming up for Conrad Murray, who represents Michael we have concluded. Hoax trial, with some perhaps believing it's a sting IDK.
[quote]suspicious mind
Feds take down Philadelphia reputed mob bosshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_ ... ob_arrests
Finally, the responses to this article show a truer pespective, in my mind, as to what real justice would look like, and what real National protectors of US citizens would do. To me it seems to be an illusion that the FBI are really our friends--more like friends of bankers, politicians, multi-national companies, etc.
John 5
Now if we could get the feds to take down the wall street mob. Now that would be news.
Harrold Dyers
A much bigger prize would be Wall St. and the criminals that caused the 2008 crash.
bewildered
la cosa nostra are small potatoes now..the big ones are the columbian drug lords , the mexican drug dealers and maybe biggest of all the criminals are the gangs operating here in the usa
Christine
Excellent!! now if the feds can only crack down on the other crime syndicates in our cities, our politicians then they would really be doing something. Honestly....what's worse...these guys taking bets from people or our politicians raping us with their taxes and abusing their authority and wasting the money they take from us?
Charles
Government HATES competition!
no issue
I love it, they bring these guys up on Loansharking charges, but credit card companies can legally charge over 30%.....b@st@rds!
maine
What's the difference in "loan sharking" by the mob and our financial institutions? Bank of America says if you're late on a credit card payment, the interest rate goes to 29.99% . Who's the loan shark?
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hi there : i was stricktly looking at this with my hoax glasses on : i noticed the joe/ joshep, the mob boss and 11 others ( 12 plots purchased) uncle joe , godfather : i think that subject has come up a couple of times and the type of crime these dudes were into and the intimidation aspect.
as for the rest i only had michael-jackson/ on my mind ;)
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it's not that we can't go forward without TS but the ride is funnier with him around penguin/
Not only funnier, but also more interesting and exciting.
I think we were trapped at this level.
And I think there's a reason for it.
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Hi guys! I have a feeling TS's absences may be tied in with what's happening with the weather. Could someone have had foreknowledge of what the government had planned? I am confident TPTB intend to clear out large portions of land of the population. The catastrophes’ THEY have caused (research HAARP) is accomplishing that. Imagine the cost to the government in aid for recovery. Call me paranoid but...
Additionally, I question Marlon wearing the FBI hat. Did it mean they are on MJ's side or working with the interlopers?
If any of this has been discussed, please disregard this bit of sporadic outburst.
Love and hugs to all,
Kathi
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TS will you please come back?
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PureLove, big thanks for posting this. If I understand correctly, TS thinks the family is in on the hoax. If all those mentioned things are the only reason to believe they are really in on it, to me it's unconvincing. Because everyone can interpret it in their own way, that tweet for instance. The chosen words could easily be just a coincidence ( You don't believe in coincidence, I know, I know:) but still ) How many times do we use those words on a daily basis. I know I do. And that doesn't make me be someone in the know. Even if that's not a coincidence, still the different interpretation works. I try hard and I just can't comprehend why would they act in such a cruel way? I mean towards the fans, of course. As far as I know the overwhelming majority of Michael's fans is women. I know how emotional they are. Michael, in my opinion wouldn't just sit back and watch all these neverending tears, suffers and pains, or, even worse, act as if it was just a game, " the adventure ". And he didn't. He had left a few strong clues before he disappeared, but he did it himself. and if he would act along with the family, they should be acting the same way. But they don't. Since the very beginning the family has been trying to convince everybody there is no hoax and Michael is indeed dead. I first thought it was their role and they had been playing just perfectly, Oscar-alike. And now I think they have never been in on it. Maybe just having their guess. Of course, I know there were many " slip-ups" made by them during this " unnervious adventure". My favorite sure was " To the airport, oh I mean to the hospital", made by Jermaine, the one who is the most active convincer ever ( along with Randy and Karen, though she isnt a family member ) Sure, it does NOT look like an accidental remark, but heck I made a lot worse slip-ups and they were really and I mean Really made just by accident. This also goes to all the other ones, that we mistook as well. You know what made me think they are not the slip-ups but the faulse perceptions? The family' behavior. They just DON'T act as if they know anything. If they knew, they would act the same way as Michael. Knowing his nature I just refuse to believe he would ever let them act like this and sit back and watch the fan's reaction to every " Michael is dead, painful, but true " remark, tweet or whatever. Or, what's worse, send an insider and play with them ans ask riddles. NO. That's not Michael I have always known and admired. NO. They at least should be silent. Just S.I.L.E.N.T.!
You may say - Read between the lines. Fine, I will do, and I do but Michael was pretty simple and clear when he left his great clues. We could clearly read PAINS, and there was no need to read between the lines. Also we didn't need to See between the lines ( is there such an expression? lol ) when we clealy saw the moving body inside the helicopter, him in the pig mask with Liz and the kids on the Halloween night or him disguised as the green man in the new version of We Are The World etc etc. The point I want to make is Michael is simple. All the great things are simple. He didnt bend our brain even more, he knew we would be overwhelmed enough already after the 25 of June, he acted precisely and distinctly and he was very honest. He warned us. In TII. " The adventure. There is nothing to be nervous about "
But before the film came out he had done a lot of work with all those well thought-out clues. You just have to be a real fan to see and understand that. Apparently, his family isn't one. Or he just had no choice.
TS , please take notice that Im in no way trying to dispute your words and thoughts, that's just something I want you to consider and comment if possible.
Thank you.
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I think this is getting a little too much off-topic now. Jentle, please post that in the TS/TIAI discussion forum, not here.
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I think this is getting a little too much off-topic now. Jentle, please post that in the TS/TIAI discussion forum, not here.
Ok, please let me know where that thread is.
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Sousa I am sorry for being off-topic again, but I found that forum but there are so many threads there so I really don't know where it would be the right place to post it. Is there something like " Questions to TS? "
Please, help me. Thanx
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Sousa I am sorry for being off-topic again, but I found that forum but there are so many threads there so I really don't know where it would be the right place to post it. Is there something like " Questions to TS? "
Please, help me. Thanx
You can start a new one if it doesn't fit into an existing one.
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Sousa I am sorry for being off-topic again, but I found that forum but there are so many threads there so I really don't know where it would be the right place to post it. Is there something like " Questions to TS? "
Please, help me. Thanx
You can start a new one if it doesn't fit into an existing one.
Ok. I will. But If I skipped the existing one with the same subject, forgive me bow/
End of Off-topic :)
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To return to the topic, it seems to me interesting this comment:
iLOVEMJBeLIEve wrote:
And also I remember that Latoya is/was also a cop. I was watching Celebrity Big Brother UK 2009, and she was on the show six months before Michael "passed". She was asked by her housemates on the show about being a cop and she said that she has arressted like over 200 people and even has a badge . I was really surprised that she arrested that much people. My point is that since she is a cop at that time (don't know if she still is now), she does have connections to police and even the FBI. I believe that the hoax idea could have been suggested/help from Latoya and Michael together as well. Notice how since Michael's "death", she is one of the family members that strongly keeps stating that Michael was murdered but nothing else
viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19246&p=333888#p333888
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To return to the topic, it seems to me interesting this comment:
iLOVEMJBeLIEve wrote:
And also I remember that Latoya is/was also a cop. I was watching Celebrity Big Brother UK 2009, and she was on the show six months before Michael "passed". She was asked by her housemates on the show about being a cop and she said that she has arressted like over 200 people and even has a badge . I was really surprised that she arrested that much people. My point is that since she is a cop at that time (don't know if she still is now), she does have connections to police and even the FBI. I believe that the hoax idea could have been suggested/help from Latoya and Michael together as well. Notice how since Michael's "death", she is one of the family members that strongly keeps stating that Michael was murdered but nothing else
viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19246&p=333888#p333888
IDK where to place LaToya. She has a lot of influent contacts, but she harmed Michael´s image, as we know, long ago. Is she a key person?
She went to MJ´s mansion and collected things and hard disks according to media info, and this is odd.
She talks about murder but too late. If she was informed that MJ was in danger she, being a police, should have known what procedures to take to file a report in time. May be she did, we don´t know, but talking about murder after Michael´s "passing" makes no sense.
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Gema wrote:
paula-c wrote:
To return to the topic, it seems to me interesting this comment:
iLOVEMJBeLIEve wrote:
And also I remember that Latoya is/was also a cop. I was watching Celebrity Big Brother UK 2009, and she was on the show six months before Michael "passed". She was asked by her housemates on the show about being a cop and she said that she has arressted like over 200 people and even has a badge . I was really surprised that she arrested that much people. My point is that since she is a cop at that time (don't know if she still is now), she does have connections to police and even the FBI. I believe that the hoax idea could have been suggested/help from Latoya and Michael together as well. Notice how since Michael's "death", she is one of the family members that strongly keeps stating that Michael was murdered but nothing else
viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19246&p=333888#p333888
IDK where to place LaToya. She has a lot of influent contacts, but she harmed Michael´s image, as we know, long ago. Is she a key person?
She went to MJ´s mansion and collected things and hard disks according to media info, and this is odd.
She talks about murder but too late. If she was informed that MJ was in danger she, being a police, should have known what procedures to take to file a report in time. May be she did, we don´t know, but talking about murder after Michael´s "passing" makes no sense.
I do not believe the story that Michael told his family that he feared for his life and no one to swim .. and she is his sister La Toya despite what has happened in the past, Michael has always said that family comes first and that is very well
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Gema wrote:
paula-c wrote:
To return to the topic, it seems to me interesting this comment:
iLOVEMJBeLIEve wrote:
And also I remember that Latoya is/was also a cop. I was watching Celebrity Big Brother UK 2009, and she was on the show six months before Michael "passed". She was asked by her housemates on the show about being a cop and she said that she has arressted like over 200 people and even has a badge . I was really surprised that she arrested that much people. My point is that since she is a cop at that time (don't know if she still is now), she does have connections to police and even the FBI. I believe that the hoax idea could have been suggested/help from Latoya and Michael together as well. Notice how since Michael's "death", she is one of the family members that strongly keeps stating that Michael was murdered but nothing else
viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19246&p=333888#p333888
IDK where to place LaToya. She has a lot of influent contacts, but she harmed Michael´s image, as we know, long ago. Is she a key person?
She went to MJ´s mansion and collected things and hard disks according to media info, and this is odd.
She talks about murder but too late. If she was informed that MJ was in danger she, being a police, should have known what procedures to take to file a report in time. May be she did, we don´t know, but talking about murder after Michael´s "passing" makes no sense.
remember;
[youtube:3snwjour]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g[/youtube:3snwjour]
:lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g)
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I do not believe the story that Michael told his family that he feared for his life and no one to swim .. and she is his sister La Toya despite what has happened in the past, Michael has always said that family comes first and that is very well
As I said, IDK where to place LaToya ;)
"I think is just the way of getting attention, the attention that she didn´t get from the public (...)"
[youtube:1drx33oe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGZiwUVq99w&feature=related[/youtube:1drx33oe]
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I remember one of his bodygaurds saying that MJ hadn't even known what a prostitute was. Haha! MJ performed since a small child in stripper clubs and the seediest dives we can imagine. He probably knows more about prostitutes than the experts.
Absolutely :lol:
I never knew there are experts who know more.
Is this still the last TIAI redirection?
If I think back to TIAI redirections and how the whole TIAI thing started I have to say it was a very clever and kind of innovative idea. What a ride bow/
You guys think there is a connection between TS leaving us alone and Jermaine's tweets?
Maybe TS lost his/hers hope ....wouldn't this be something errrr
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TS losing faith? No way. There must be a good reason.
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You guys think there is a connection between TS leaving us alone and Jermaine's tweets?
Maybe TS lost his/hers hope ....wouldn't this be something errrr
TS has realized that Michael is dead.
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You guys think there is a connection between TS leaving us alone and Jermaine's tweets?
Maybe TS lost his/hers hope ....wouldn't this be something errrr
TS has realized that Michael is dead.
Yeah, because MJ is sooooooooo dead as a doornail... :?
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just curious, has ts posted since serenity's post with all of the information she thought that she had on him? wondering.
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just curious, has ts posted since serenity's post with all of the information she thought that she had on him? wondering.
Yes, many times. And you said that well: thought she had.
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just curious, has ts posted since serenity's post with all of the information she thought that she had on him? wondering.
Yes, many times. And you said that well: thought she had.
then perhaps he has taken what jermaine said as a signal that things needed to get quiet for a bit.
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TS losing faith? No way. There must be a good reason.
Hope it's not health issues.
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You guys think there is a connection between TS leaving us alone and Jermaine's tweets?
Maybe TS lost his/hers hope ....wouldn't this be something errrr
TS has realized that Michael is dead.
Yeah, because MJ is sooooooooo dead as a doornail... :?
I never said that. :lol: I'm looking pages back and can't find where the mix-up occurred. Oh well... bounce/
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Like everyone else, I'm looking for and anticipating a new post from TS. But I want to say that if TS never posted again, we have enough info since the start of TIAI up to now to last us till BAM day. Maybe now would be a good time to revise every step from the beginning to present. Think I'll do a refresher course.
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Like everyone else, I'm looking for and anticipating a new post from TS. But I want to say that if TS never posted again, we have enough info since the start of TIAI up to now to last us till BAM day. Maybe now would be a good time to revise every step from the beginning to present. Think I'll do a refresher course.
That's exactly what I've been doing...using this time to re-read, re-think and re-discover things.
Better make a large pot of tea........
Happy refreshing and many blessings RK!
Blessings Always
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Like everyone else, I'm looking for and anticipating a new post from TS. But I want to say that if TS never posted again, we have enough info since the start of TIAI up to now to last us till BAM day. Maybe now would be a good time to revise every step from the beginning to present. Think I'll do a refresher course.
That's exactly what I've been doing...using this time to re-read, re-think and re-discover things.
Better make a large pot of tea........
Happy refreshing and many blessings RK!
Blessings Always
beerchug Pretend that's tea! That's good advice from both of you!
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I think when TS will be back (as I'm 100% fully that he will be back) he will surprise us again.
Logic and connections will be flooding the forum geek/ , a ride for the mind again.
Big hug for you TS bearhug
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TS is on a longgggggggggggggggggggggg vacation...With Michael, discussing what to do next. ;)[attachment=2:1zst6upx]23.gif[/attachment:1zst6upx]
At least I hope so.........or tweeting instead[attachment=1:1zst6upx]avatar_6898.gif[/attachment:1zst6upx]
Come back soon, before we totally lose it.....[attachment=0:1zst6upx]avatar_1499.gif[/attachment:1zst6upx]
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TS is on a longgggggggggggggggggggggg vacation...With Michael, discussing what to do next. ;)[attachment=2:24wss9ve]23.gif[/attachment:24wss9ve]
Yeah.. In Bahamas... drinking water from the Fountain of Youth... mj_bad/
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lolol/
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TS is on a longgggggggggggggggggggggg vacation...With Michael, discussing what to do next. ;)[attachment=2:1pocsdpi]23.gif[/attachment:1pocsdpi]
Yeah.. In Bahamas... drinking water from the Fountain of Youth... mj_bad/
Right, while the rest of us get older by the minute. :evil:
I've given up second guessing this whole thing.
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Lol, is TS in Nigeria? Marlon was.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCs0BSG3Bo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCs0BSG3Bo)
I can take TS or leave him, because I don't read up on this board to see if MJ is alive. Lord forbid. I read up just to follow the adventure and to see when and if I discover some more about the man I never knew. But many of us loved MJ when he was 9 years old - and his brothers. We watched every single time he was on the tube along with his brothers.
I am watching.
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peacock7 wrote:
Lol, is TS in Nigeria? Marlon was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCs0BSG3Bo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCs0BSG3Bo)
I can take TS or leave him, because I don't read up on this board to see if MJ is alive. Lord forbid. I read up just to follow the adventure and to see when and if I discover some more about the man I never knew. But many of us loved MJ when he was 9 years old - and his brothers. We watched every single time he was on the tube along with his brothers.
I am watching.
yes, can be, in the photo the only one that does not have glasses is Marlon and he watch front, to learn that it in a video that explains the clues that John Lenon in the covers of discs of the Beatles gave about the death of Paul Maccartney
:lol:
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It might be a feeble attempt to get back on track....but, here it goes:
TS said:
"If the hoax forums can figure out that MJ is alive, when most of the members are not even professional investigators, then what excuse would the LA prosecution have for not figuring it out?"
I feel like this is a really important question.
~It puts pressure on the forums/believers to be pin-point accurate with facts rather than feelings/theories. What we think we know vs the hard facts of the hoax (i.e. TMZ announced the death earlier, the word "pains" instead of "pain", etc) Not just the Weird List (sorry Souza, no slight intended)...but list of hard and fast facts only of this hoax. Is there one?
~It sums up the entrapment question in one sentence.
~It puts the prosecution in the hot-seat. If the prosecution can't see past the media, it's their own fault.
I have been diving into HIPAA laws. I think many things can be simply answered by these laws. I don't want to post about it...yet. However, if you do a simple search about it, you will be amazed at how many violations have been done. This makes it seem more like a hoax court to me. For it to be a sting of legal proportion, these laws are still followed....for the most part. The violations that have occurred within the HIPAA laws, do not seem to be the type that would help a sting like this. Unless, of course, it's all to show how inane the courts are. But, then I have to remember Michael was cleared of charges. The backbone of the system must have worked...otherwise he would have sentenced, correct? Dirty self-righteous prosecutors, Dr. Feelgoods, easy access drugs....these are focused sting targets....but why break HIPAA laws to go after them? I can't figure how that would be needed. Unless, to show how people do not think before the believe.
I want to post more about HIPAA. I think we do have some discussion about it already....I know I mentioned here and there. I am not all too sure of the direction we are going. As feeble as this post was, maybe it will give some sort of direction to ponder.
Many blessings always..........
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Like everyone else, I'm looking for and anticipating a new post from TS. But I want to say that if TS never posted again, we have enough info since the start of TIAI up to now to last us till BAM day. Maybe now would be a good time to revise every step from the beginning to present. Think I'll do a refresher course.
But why not to post TS Again? confused/
If the family or someone talked him not to post, he would gently come here and tell us that he will not post more, right?
I think he's just taking a break. He will return. I Think!
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It might be a feeble attempt to get back on track....but, here it goes:
TS said:
"If the hoax forums can figure out that MJ is alive, when most of the members are not even professional investigators, then what excuse would the LA prosecution have for not figuring it out?"
I feel like this is a really important question.
~It puts pressure on the forums/believers to be pin-point accurate with facts rather than feelings/theories. What we think we know vs the hard facts of the hoax (i.e. TMZ announced the death earlier, the word "pains" instead of "pain", etc) Not just the Weird List (sorry Souza, no slight intended)...but list of hard and fast facts only of this hoax. Is there one?
~It sums up the entrapment question in one sentence.
~It puts the prosecution in the hot-seat. If the prosecution can't see past the media, it's their own fault.
I have been diving into HIPAA laws. I think many things can be simply answered by these laws. I don't want to post about it...yet. However, if you do a simple search about it, you will be amazed at how many violations have been done. This makes it seem more like a hoax court to me. For it to be a sting of legal proportion, these laws are still followed....for the most part. The violations that have occurred within the HIPAA laws, do not seem to be the type that would help a sting like this. Unless, of course, it's all to show how inane the courts are. But, then I have to remember Michael was cleared of charges. The backbone of the system must have worked...otherwise he would have sentenced, correct? Dirty self-righteous prosecutors, Dr. Feelgoods, easy access drugs....these are focused sting targets....but why break HIPAA laws to go after them? I can't figure how that would be needed. Unless, to show how people do not think before the believe.
I want to post more about HIPAA. I think we do have some discussion about it already....I know I mentioned here and there. I am not all too sure of the direction we are going. As feeble as this post was, maybe it will give some sort of direction to ponder.
Many blessings always..........
I'm so exited! bounce/ Can't wait for your post about HIPAA laws bounce/ bounce/ bounce/
Thank you for bringing me (at least) back to the subject! :D
I'll go and research something about HIPAA right now typing/
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Lol, is TS in Nigeria? Marlon was.
Makes sense.. I've always thought that TS is in fact Marlon rr/
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What's HIPAA?
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I've always thought and felt that TS-TMZ-Dodo are all related with each other. We know how TMZ was using TS' words in their articles and TMZ and Dodo gave the Rio (the movie) clue at the same time. Dodo has not been giving any MJ related clues for a month for now. He doesn't even make any posts often. No pictures, no clues, nothing. The same happened with TS. It looks like someone stopped or paused the hoax. And I'm pretty sure that all of these are related with Jermaine's tweets. Maybe we made the hoax become too obvious and the family wanted to slow us down, I don't know. I hope everything accelerates again because it is so boring to stay at this station. Especially for us who were on a speedy bumpy ride since 2009. We'll wait and see what happens.
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In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS :lol: ), etc.
I need help here, i'm trying to understand something!
I read FBI files again (333 pages), not all of them just the last part. Look what it says
[attachment=1:js59myyt]FBI.jpg[/attachment:js59myyt]
[attachment=0:js59myyt]FBI2.jpg[/attachment:js59myyt]
Does that mean that FBI SSA (Supervisory Special Agent) and retired FBI SSA were actually helping the prosecutors? The document says that these 2 SSA were consulting SDDA Zonen regarding Prosecution Strategies.
Maybe it's not what i think it is, that's why i need your help guys! bow/
@ Gina
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HPAA) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Ins ... bility_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act)
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I think TS is maybe riding the brakes a little just enough to let things get into sync. You know how sometimes the communication cord gets pulled to stop the train in an emergency. :) By the way, TS, I'm still here, still standing on faith, just checking in to restate my allegiance to MJ's army. The commitment sustains the love.
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It might be a feeble attempt to get back on track....but, here it goes:
TS said:
I have been diving into HIPAA laws. I think many things can be simply answered by these laws. I don't want to post about it...yet. However, if you do a simple search about it, you will be amazed at how many violations have been done. This makes it seem more like a hoax court to me. For it to be a sting of legal proportion, these laws are still followed....for the most part. The violations that have occurred within the HIPAA laws, do not seem to be the type that would help a sting like this. Unless, of course, it's all to show how inane the courts are. But, then I have to remember Michael was cleared of charges. The backbone of the system must have worked...otherwise he would have sentenced, correct? Dirty self-righteous prosecutors, Dr. Feelgoods, easy access drugs....these are focused sting targets....but why break HIPAA laws to go after them? I can't figure how that would be needed. Unless, to show how people do not think before the believe. quote]
I guess TS means patients' (MJ) privacy violation on the first place.
Why hoax a death to go after them?
HIPAA Law in California
California enacted the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) in 1996 to help safeguard the patient privacy.
Accountable Participants
The stipulations of HIPAA apply to all California doctors, nurses, hospitals and doctor's office administrations, nursing homes, pharmacies and free medical clinics. The law binds insurance companies and government agencies related to the health care industry as well.
Patient Record Access
Under HIPAA, all patients are allowed to review their health record and make appropriate changes. They are to be informed how their information is being used, particularly when being passed on to a third party, in the form of a free annual report. Patients are lawfully entitled under HIPAA to name the format and place where they should be contacted by medical staff.
Electronic Storage
HIPAA also began the process of electronically storing medical information to ensure greater patient privacy and "improved efficiency in health care delivery by standardizing electronic data interchange[/color]
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peacock7 wrote:
Lol, is TS in Nigeria? Marlon was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCs0BSG3Bo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCs0BSG3Bo)
I can take TS or leave him, because I don't read up on this board to see if MJ is alive. Lord forbid. I read up just to follow the adventure and to see when and if I discover some more about the man I never knew. But many of us loved MJ when he was 9 years old - and his brothers. We watched every single time he was on the tube along with his brothers.
I am watching.
yes, can be, in the photo the only one that does not have glasses is Marlon and he watch front, to learn that it in a video that explains the clues that John Lenon in the covers of discs of the Beatles gave about the death of Paul Maccartney
:lol:
That's an interesting connection Paula! Reminds me of these Beatles pics:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmY2UcCUkBDviMsdBdR7spVcj9oUZDCkvBAefyDv-ETMDV_ejquQ)
Paul is the "odd one out" because he's bare-footed. Like Marlon with no sunglasses.
And this one:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR90Z3gz3Xmjt_3dBAKb0kDjMKja070NnlrTLuK9twSPCZyIuECEg)
The back of the Sgt Pepper's album, with Paul (in blue like Marlon) facing away. That's not even Paul, apparently he was away that day and they dressed someone else up like him and had him face away. And the other Jackson brothers are wearing Sgt Pepper's colors, except Jackie whose in black.
And the cover of Sgt Pepper's, notice the yellow flowers in the shape of a left-handed bass guitar. This album has the song "A Day in the Life" which some thought was about Paul's death and that the flower guitar symbolized his grave...another death hoax.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnVLATwzSXBGG9uCEB9GzrIJ61BgWd5fjBn5v_xiYJo0PPZ9e2)
I know this has nothing to do with hoax/sting court but we're off topic anyway. :|
Oh there's this too:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSIde64gOIYA_Oyb8w_UV5W_TNzdeQFfo6yk6ql2z1WEEVhB4WeQ)
On Paul's arm, there's an OPP badge (Ontario Provincial Police)...reminds me of Marlon's FBI hat. This is all kinda weird.
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Paul McCartney's death hoax was a hoax about Paul having died and replaced secretly with a double... and none of it was true. It was a hoax of a hoax. Michael's is different, but there's still a connection, example, "...there were all these Paul McCartney records, The Girl is Mine..."
What do these dots connect to? I'm confused.
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It might be a feeble attempt to get back on track....but, here it goes:
TS said:
I have been diving into HIPAA laws. I think many things can be simply answered by these laws. I don't want to post about it...yet. However, if you do a simple search about it, you will be amazed at how many violations have been done. This makes it seem more like a hoax court to me. For it to be a sting of legal proportion, these laws are still followed....for the most part. The violations that have occurred within the HIPAA laws, do not seem to be the type that would help a sting like this. Unless, of course, it's all to show how inane the courts are. But, then I have to remember Michael was cleared of charges. The backbone of the system must have worked...otherwise he would have sentenced, correct? Dirty self-righteous prosecutors, Dr. Feelgoods, easy access drugs....these are focused sting targets....but why break HIPAA laws to go after them? I can't figure how that would be needed. Unless, to show how people do not think before the believe. quote]
I guess TS means patients' (MJ) privacy violation on the first place.
Why hoax a death to go after them?
HIPAA Law in California
California enacted the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) in 1996 to help safeguard the patient privacy.
Accountable Participants
The stipulations of HIPAA apply to all California doctors, nurses, hospitals and doctor's office administrations, nursing homes, pharmacies and free medical clinics. The law binds insurance companies and government agencies related to the health care industry as well.
Patient Record Access
Under HIPAA, all patients are allowed to review their health record and make appropriate changes. They are to be informed how their information is being used, particularly when being passed on to a third party, in the form of a free annual report. Patients are lawfully entitled under HIPAA to name the format and place where they should be contacted by medical staff.
Electronic Storage
HIPAA also began the process of electronically storing medical information to ensure greater patient privacy and "improved efficiency in health care delivery by standardizing electronic data interchange[/color]
Hey there...
I just wanted to clear something....all that I quoted in my original post about TS was this sentence:
TS said:
"If the hoax forums can figure out that MJ is alive, when most of the members are not even professional investigators, then what excuse would the LA prosecution have for not figuring it out?"
The rest of my post was just me.....I am sorry for any confusion, my bad....I apologize for not being more clear. However, Scorpionchik...you make some really good points about HIPAA...much appreciated!
Blessings!
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@ bec: I'm confused too. :| It was a hoax, not the same kind, you're right but most likely started by the Beatles themselves.
Have you seen this video yet? It's been in a couple threads before.
[youtube:11h8d7bo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kYDdBWESQw[/youtube:11h8d7bo]
It's interesting because they're talking about the Paul is dead/double thing then immediately segue into talking about Michael...this was filmed less than a month after Michael "died". Maybe Paul knows Michael is alive and is helping him in some way? Maybe Michael finally gave Paul the "raise" he wanted, like they discuss in the video. Not that it's all about money but they could've worked out a deal - Michael helps Paul and vice versa. Paul is a good person to have on your side, his global appeal is almost as big as Michael's. Anyways, enough speculation from me for the night.
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Hello Everyone, just checking in since I haven't posted in along while!
I'm still here, reading when I have time!
TS will be back, MJ will be back and thats that!!
I haven't lost faith in either return!! I'll be bounce/ ing for joy when it happens!
And typing/ away to you all again! beerchug CHEERS! NON-Alcoholic of course!!
And for anyone still feeling down here is a virtual bearhug from me!!
OK, I'm done lolol/
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Hello Everyone, just checking in since I haven't posted in along while!
I'm still here, reading when I have time!
TS will be back, MJ will be back and thats that!!
I haven't lost faith in either return!! I'll be bounce/ ing for joy when it happens!
And typing/ away to you all again! beerchug CHEERS! NON-Alcoholic of course!!
And for anyone still feeling down here is a virtual bearhug from me!!
OK, I'm done lolol/
bearhug Welcome back, GodhaschosenMJ! Glad that you haven't lost faith :D We'll all bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ together when it happens!
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@ bec: I'm confused too. :| It was a hoax, not the same kind, you're right but most likely started by the Beatles themselves.
Have you seen this video yet? It's been in a couple threads before.
[youtube:35fykhm6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kYDdBWESQw[/youtube:35fykhm6]
It's interesting because they're talking about the Paul is dead/double thing then immediately segue into talking about Michael...this was filmed less than a month after Michael "died". Maybe Paul knows Michael is alive and is helping him in some way? Maybe Michael finally gave Paul the "raise" he wanted, like they discuss in the video. Not that it's all about money but they could've worked out a deal - Michael helps Paul and vice versa. Paul is a good person to have on your side, his global appeal is almost as big as Michael's. Anyways, enough speculation from me for the night.
I've never seen this, thank you for posting.
I love Paul's sense of humor. He pictures Michael in such a funny lovely way, adorable, just like he was, with his soft voice and everything....how many "voices" Michael has?
The only part I don't like is when he says "he was masivell'y talented and we miss him" :( .
Anyway, lets' hope it was just for the illusion.
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@ bec: I'm confused too. :| It was a hoax, not the same kind, you're right but most likely started by the Beatles themselves.
Have you seen this video yet? It's been in a couple threads before.
[youtube:3bgrwoxp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kYDdBWESQw[/youtube:3bgrwoxp]
It's interesting because they're talking about the Paul is dead/double thing then immediately segue into talking about Michael...this was filmed less than a month after Michael "died". Maybe Paul knows Michael is alive and is helping him in some way? Maybe Michael finally gave Paul the "raise" he wanted, like they discuss in the video. Not that it's all about money but they could've worked out a deal - Michael helps Paul and vice versa. Paul is a good person to have on your side, his global appeal is almost as big as Michael's. Anyways, enough speculation from me for the night.
Oh my! :o Did you guys hear Paul say that he thought MJ was HISTORICALLY PLACED, to make things right (in the music industry, wherein many, if not all historical talents were roped (suckered)into self-cheating contracts, as innocents--regarding business & such)??? To hear P.M. say those uncommon, "Michael Jackson-kind" of words, must mean they discussed such things! I WISH I had been privy to THAT conversation! 8-) :lol:
Thank you for posting this video!! I never heard this before. I thought MJ wanted to get into the publishing as a strategic business move in world domination and ingenious(while he slept :lol: ) cash collection. I heard later that MJ wanted to give certain peoples' property BACK, and was legally prohibited from, IDK, breaking up the catalogue, or some other legal nonsense? So, it WASN'T a self serving or cold business move. Business, yeah, superhero, BATMAN business!!!! :D
No, wait, Robin Hood business. Not the petty thievery woodsman in tights, but a hero who takes from legalized thieves and gives to the rightful owners. I think MJ told P.M. that he believed HIMSELF, that he was historically placed... I think Paul THINKS MJ has died, and that's why he felt comfortable using MJ's words , "historically placed", as if they were his own idea!!!!! :shock: :roll:
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I'm kind of worried about TS.. i hope he comes back soon. :(
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@Its her: You got me thinking of the corrupt music industry now as a target of The Sting! Maybe not the whole industry but key greedy players. The way Paul spoke about Michael makes me think that Paul does know Michael is alive. I think he used the words "historically placed" because he knows Michael wants to make it right and will do what he can for the music industry, among other things. Paul has been around the music industry for five decades and knows what it is like as an artist. THAT's why he got into music publishing himself and recommended the same to Michael. Like, if you want to make it in their game, you have to play the game to win for yourself and everyone else whose been treated grossly unfair by their record labels. And in the video, it sounds like Paul is talking about Michael as though he is alive, then adds the "we miss him" part at the very end, almost as though it were an afterthought and he thought he should add that in.
If the FBI have been investigating Michael for years then they have intel on certain music execs and their practices. I would imagine Michael knew his life was being investigated and may have even went along with certain FBI agents to help himself gather the proof he needed to expose these bad corporate-music types.
The thing with this FBI sting is that it involves the most famous person in the world. Someone who everyone wants a piece of - which makes Michael a target for evil doers of every sort. Imagine how many of these "big fish" will be dragged in by the FBI's widespread net!
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@Its her: You got me thinking of the corrupt music industry now as a target of The Sting! Maybe not the whole industry but key greedy players. The way Paul spoke about Michael makes me think that Paul does know Michael is alive. I think he used the words "historically placed" because he knows Michael wants to make it right and will do what he can for the music industry, among other things. Paul has been around the music industry for five decades and knows what it is like as an artist. THAT's why he got into music publishing himself and recommended the same to Michael. Like, if you want to make it in their game, you have to play the game to win for yourself and everyone else whose been treated grossly unfair by their record labels. And in the video, it sounds like Paul is talking about Michael as though he is alive, then adds the "we miss him" part at the very end, almost as though it were an afterthought and he thought he should add that in.
If the FBI have been investigating Michael for years then they have intel on certain music execs and their practices. I would imagine Michael knew his life was being investigated and may have even went along with certain FBI agents to help himself gather the proof he needed to expose these bad corporate-music types.
The thing with this FBI sting is that it involves the most famous person in the world. Someone who everyone wants a piece of - which makes Michael a target for evil doers of every sort. Imagine how many of these "big fish" will be dragged in by the FBI's widespread net!
I agree that the music industry is a target, but how would his death expose anything? Wouldn't a sting while he is "still alive" be more useful? With him as bait? Or are they using other celebs and did he have to die to let them do their evil deeds? That would mean that Sony would be a target and he had to be out of the way because they wouldn't do certain things while he was alive because he had spoken out so much against them and owned half? Could be, but not yet convinced. Need to think that through some more.
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@Its her: You got me thinking of the corrupt music industry now as a target of The Sting! Maybe not the whole industry but key greedy players. The way Paul spoke about Michael makes me think that Paul does know Michael is alive. I think he used the words "historically placed" because he knows Michael wants to make it right and will do what he can for the music industry, among other things. Paul has been around the music industry for five decades and knows what it is like as an artist. THAT's why he got into music publishing himself and recommended the same to Michael. Like, if you want to make it in their game, you have to play the game to win for yourself and everyone else whose been treated grossly unfair by their record labels. And in the video, it sounds like Paul is talking about Michael as though he is alive, then adds the "we miss him" part at the very end, almost as though it were an afterthought and he thought he should add that in.
If the FBI have been investigating Michael for years then they have intel on certain music execs and their practices. I would imagine Michael knew his life was being investigated and may have even went along with certain FBI agents to help himself gather the proof he needed to expose these bad corporate-music types.
The thing with this FBI sting is that it involves the most famous person in the world. Someone who everyone wants a piece of - which makes Michael a target for evil doers of every sort. Imagine how many of these "big fish" will be dragged in by the FBI's widespread net!
I agree that the music industry is a target, but how would his death expose anything? Wouldn't a sting while he is "still alive" be more useful? With him as bait? Or are they using other celebs and did he have to die to let them do their evil deeds? That would mean that Sony would be a target and he had to be out of the way because they wouldn't do certain things while he was alive because he had spoken out so much against them and owned half? Could be, but not yet convinced. Need to think that through some more.
I think his "death" would expose more. Michael owning half of Sony publishing means that the other half don't work for Michael, maybe the "other half" had a plot to kill MJ because a dead Michael means HUGE $$ in their greedy sweaty hands, plus their major opponent is gone. Such a plot could've been uncovered by the FBI. Afterall, they first started investigating Michael officially many years ago because of a threat against Michael's life. Certain agents help Michael plan and stage his death. Maybe that's why there's always been confusion with Sony - are they good or bad...maybe both! Since it's literally divided down the middle.
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Yeah but how does killing Michael get the publishing catalogs into anyone's hands? Michael's death means the estate and lawyers take over and Michael left nearly everything to his kids (so says the alleged will), and all of their assets would be frozen as far as buy/sell, until they were at least 18... so how does removing Michael from the picture benefit someone who is after his catalog? I don't get it.
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Yeah but how does killing Michael get the publishing catalogs into anyone's hands? Michael's death means the estate and lawyers take over and Michael left nearly everything to his kids (so says the alleged will), and all of their assets would be frozen as far as buy/sell, until they were at least 18... so how does removing Michael from the picture benefit someone who is after his catalog? I don't get it.
I think they wanted to remove Michael from the picture because he is the force behind it (publishing catalogs). They would probably think it would be easier to deal with the estate and lawyers because they knew Michael wouldn't budge as long as he lives. If the assets are frozen then perhaps they are willing to wait out until the kids are 18 and take advantage of their young ages to influence them. In the meantime they release the Michael album - the "bad" half of Sony wants to start making money off of "new" material, the "good" half says, "Ok, but with these songs." They all arrange a seven album deal over 10 years for $250 (2+5=7) million dollars which will increase the catalog's worth even more, but the two halves have different goals. Right now it's mutually beneficial but only because it has to be. Or something like that, I've only really started considering it in this way tonight, although I've always thought Michael wanted to expose the evil greedy music industry as he publicly spoke out on the very subject on more than one occasion.
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follow the money trail ... :?:
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@Its her: You got me thinking of the corrupt music industry now as a target of The Sting! Maybe not the whole industry but key greedy players. The way Paul spoke about Michael makes me think that Paul does know Michael is alive. I think he used the words "historically placed" because he knows Michael wants to make it right and will do what he can for the music industry, among other things. Paul has been around the music industry for five decades and knows what it is like as an artist. THAT's why he got into music publishing himself and recommended the same to Michael. Like, if you want to make it in their game, you have to play the game to win for yourself and everyone else whose been treated grossly unfair by their record labels. And in the video, it sounds like Paul is talking about Michael as though he is alive, then adds the "we miss him" part at the very end, almost as though it were an afterthought and he thought he should add that in.
If the FBI have been investigating Michael for years then they have intel on certain music execs and their practices. I would imagine Michael knew his life was being investigated and may have even went along with certain FBI agents to help himself gather the proof he needed to expose these bad corporate-music types.
The thing with this FBI sting is that it involves the most famous person in the world. Someone who everyone wants a piece of - which makes Michael a target for evil doers of every sort. Imagine how many of these "big fish" will be dragged in by the FBI's widespread net!
You may be right about McCartney knowing MJ is alive, as, on second thought, those two MUST have discussed the Beatles' hoax...
And the Music Industry does have some shady characters in power in it, but I don't understand how a Sting would work, there. Everything is done by contract. Contracts are broken in court every day, if illegal actions, such as extortion are proven, or if either party fails to do what they promised in the contract. But is there anything to be busted in the middle of committing it? I mean mind control slavery, duping the under-educated in business savvy, those things aren't "sting"-able, if you willingly participate.
It is criminal that contracts ROBBING talent of their proper due, are still standing today. Not just in music, but in Television, where thousands of actors signing to do 13 episodes of a cornball series, discover they are in a major hit, with NO residuals, NO payments after they stop filming, despite the series going on into syndication for decades. I don't understand why no one fought these in court, and everyone, especially the duped & robbed, simply accepts it!! But there is nothing to "Sting", per se.
What IS Sting-able, in MJ's life are creepy things people THOUGHT he was involved in anyway: pedophilia, or an appetite for it. I think he was PAINTED on purpose 8-) (the purpose being a Sting), with rumor, media innuendo, and a court trial, to appear to be one of them, so the creepy sellers would be drawn to a creepy buyer with so much money, he wouldn't miss any, if they sold him thousands of international kids. This would get MJ deep into the heart of a MAJOR child trafficking/pornography conglomerate. A BIG Sting. I think it would make him sick, just seeing what he would have to see, but he has never let anything jar his focus, which would be, to helping the police NAIL worthless bastards such as these.
That said, unless these were only American criminals, I can't see any involvement with an American court. So...maybe I am all wrong. Maybe it really IS something the courts or court officials are doing illegally, and Murray(FBI) is the :geek: inside guy.... :mrgreen:
I kind of don't LIKE the afraid/ thought that MJ would do anything this dangerous, anyway, just to quiet all the so called fans who won't accept a hoaxed death without a REAL (factual) COMPELLING reason, as opposed to just a GIANT movie of his interactive Thriller & ARGame.
I am sorry, but if they didn't get it :roll: all his life that he was a big GAMESTER albino/ bounce/ MAGICIAN, it is not HIS fault that they are still whining (not even over HIM, but) THEIR "loss".
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TS give signs of "life" on 01 June, there is an eclipse of the sun, or on June 3 will be the day # 111 in the current round as Tzolkin Maya astronomical correlation with the Gregorian calendar. bounce/ :lol:
http://timesci.wikidot.com/start (http://timesci.wikidot.com/start)
The Tzolkin, or Tzolk'in ' in [1] - the account of the days - is the name given to the maya version of the revised or sacred 260-day cycle, made up of twenty trecenas (or thirteen scores) used in the Mesoamerican pre-Columbian and equivalent to the Aztec Tonalpohualli. The tzolk'in ' in is still used in the indigenous communities of the Guatemalan Highlands and the State of Oaxaca and receiving the title of guards of the days those who in these communities augur well for the earthly events based on the sacred cycle dates. The tzolk'in ' in is a three-dimensional calendar because it is based on the Sun (the seals), Moon (tones) and the star Sirius, so it is more accurate than the Gregorian calendar.
It is unknown the manner with which the Maya called to this calendar. It was the mayanist William e. Gates who coined the name on the basis of the (Quiché: ch 'ol q' iij, 'the order of the days')?, thus researchers and specialists have admitted the term tzolkin.[2] that his real name is unknown.[3]
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzolkin (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzolkin)
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"drought period"
(http://archivo.lavoz.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/23869.JPG)
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"drought period"
(http://archivo.lavoz.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/23869.JPG)
Maybe this will help...
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post.jpg)
(Now we just need TS to stop by and say hi) ;)
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Its Her, I hear ya!
paula-c, nice pic! After the drought I envision a torrent/downpour. My guess our butts will be glued to our computer chairs once more. So we should get all the things we need to do done now while we can. Thanks TS for the downtime! I need to get my flowers planted and garden seeded.
(http://0.tqn.com/d/containergardening/1/5/s/-/-/-/fbstuffpet.jpg)
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Its Her, I hear ya!
paula-c, nice pic! After the drought I envision a torrent/downpour. My guess our butts will be glued to our computer chairs once more. So we should get all the things we need to do done now while we can. Thanks TS for the downtime! I need to get my flowers planted and garden seeded.
(http://0.tqn.com/d/containergardening/1/5/s/-/-/-/fbstuffpet.jpg)
Good idea! Garden seeded, trees trimmed, fence painted, etc., while hes giving us some time. Just keep watchin'. :D
I think we pretty much answered his questions. If MJ isn't back by Harvest Time, he'll probably give us a break then, too! bow/ :mrgreen:
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well after a while without saying anything, I started to dig up old stuff and I found this, our friend Craig Harvey and tweet ... and also TMZ.
FB who is and who is T?
Dr. Tohme Tohme Wants Money Money from MJ
Originally posted Nov 13th 2009 10:39 AM PST by TMZ Staff
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/11/13/michael_jackson_getty_52093566_ex-1.jpg)
Michael Jackson's former manager just filed a huge creditor's claim against the estate ... and it's mostly over the sale of Neverland Ranch in 2008.
In the documents, filed yesterday in L.A. County Superior Court, Dr. Tohme says he was promised a certain fee from Michael if he could locate a company to save Neverland Ranch from foreclosure last year.
Dr. Tohme claims he's the one who brought Colony Capital LLC to the table -- the company T says forked over $23 million to save Neverland. Dr. Tohme wants his cut of the deal -- which he claims is approximately $2.3 million.
In July of 2008, Dr. Tohme also says Michael promised him 15% of the singer's "gross compensation within the entertainment industry" -- but T has no clue how much he's owed for this one.
The doc wants in excess of $2.3 million.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/13/dr-tohme- (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/13/dr-tohme-) ... y-from-mj/
TMZ refers to Tohme as "T"
This account twitter already not exist
tweet says June 20
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WgKQcrj6cW8/SybfKjTIdzI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/2kSWfCLnixM/s640/twit1.bmp)
http://twitter.com/chiefcoronerla (http://twitter.com/chiefcoronerla)
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Thanks for reminding us of Craig who managed to put a smile and a questionmark into our faces every time he'd tweet some more.
chiefcoronerla Craig Harvey
I'm beginning to believe what the Hell's Angel's used to say..."3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead"....
7 Oct 09
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Craig Harvey
chiefcoronerla Craig Harvey
Whew...a 4 to 6 week respite, and then the frenzy begins anew. Answers will come to those who wait.
27 Jun 09
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Craig Harvey
chiefcoronerla Craig Harvey
Wow, what a day. It was a real challenge to make things happen, be one step ahead and handle an information avalanche.
26 Jun 09
no comment.
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Sometimes I feel like Michael's life is the biggest mess ever..or the biggest secret ever
What's solid fact and what's hoax ?
Sometimes I feel like I know nothing.
My husband says why do you believe Michael, he lied all the time.
I miss him so much and if this is a sting op. - it's the hell of a long one. Because I see no heads rolling after 2 years.
That's crazy.
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Sometimes I feel like Michael's life is the biggest mess ever..or the biggest secret ever
I miss him so much and if this is a sting op. - it's the hell of a long one. Because I see no heads rolling after 2 years.
That's crazy.
As I said at the beginning,there is no sting operation. SO works in different scenario.
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I think there is a sting operation in the movie.
But behind the scenes it's a hoax court.
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A sting operation in the movie, you mean not a real one?
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Funny you say this Bec, because i sometimes believe if Michael comes back he will have a different story to public than the real reason of the hoax. An excuse that has no appeal right in the eyes of haters or hurt non-believers. A huge cause that leaves you with no comments...
In other words, i believe the reason is personal but if he wants to return he can't risk being honest so it will be covered as public benefit. We could be "hoaxers" again, even after a comeback...
We will see. If we will see.
@Gina, your husband is not entirley wrong....
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Yes. Sort of like a hoax of a hoax or a movie of a hoax or a hoax of a movie.
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Catch 22
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5wkMFMMQMAc/TONN1rMmpHI/AAAAAAAADAQ/40G6L-f4NQM/s1600/catch+22.jpg)
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All very true. crash/ geek/ albino/ I don't think hoaxers should get too emotionally involved, but rather just enjoy everything that happens, and love and support Michael. He has said he wants to entertain and he wants to be loved. As for trying to wrap our heads around the hoax within the hoax within the hoax aspect, he said it would be a great adventure. party/
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Catch 22
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5wkMFMMQMAc/TONN1rMmpHI/AAAAAAAADAQ/40G6L-f4NQM/s1600/catch+22.jpg)
hahah hahahahha hahahhahah :lol:
this describes exactly how I feel about the hoax sometimes.
Is Michael's life like that? A hoax within a hoax within a hoax?
And we watch and try to understand and when we think we understand something we hear that nothing is as it seems afraid/
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Yes. Sort of like a hoax of a hoax or a movie of a hoax or a hoax of a movie.
so you're not quite sure which one of the 3 above crash/
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@Gina, your husband is not entirley wrong....
Well he's giving it the meaning of "acting"...that's what he means.
And I trust my husband's instincts when it comes to people
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Yes. Sort of like a hoax of a hoax or a movie of a hoax or a hoax of a movie.
so you're not quite sure which one of the 3 above crash/
Well I'm sure that Michael's project is difficult to classify as it is the first of it's kind.
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He's always on stage, even when he's laying in bed, he says he's creating under his 7 lights. Although why he would ruin his creative basking happy time by propofol, IDK. :lol: Watch especially at 2:05.
[youtube:1cjoij79]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCKixAtO5M&NR=1[/youtube:1cjoij79]
And he is so beautiful to watch here too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp9KRtkV ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp9KRtkVgOo&feature=related) He calls himself stinky. His love for children. So sweet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrPWIL4FVxo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrPWIL4FVxo) MJ's cockney accent, laugh, water bottle drinking. Big butts!! :lol: Panties thrown at MJ and his snort at 4:30. :lol: :lol: Sorry I'm off topic, and got carried away. :roll:
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OK I don't get it, what's that laughter at 0:37 for suspicious// ?
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He just lives in an imaginary world and he loves it?! Great !!
Now I feel much better about myself bounce/ penguin/
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I got the feeling he's playing with Bashir
He doesn't remember the words of "With a child's heart" ?! Come on.....
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well after a while without saying anything, I started to dig up old stuff and I found this, our friend Craig Harvey and tweet ... and also TMZ.
FB who is and who is T?
Dr. Tohme Tohme Wants Money Money from MJ
Originally posted Nov 13th 2009 10:39 AM PST by TMZ Staff
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/11/13/michael_jackson_getty_52093566_ex-1.jpg)
Michael Jackson's former manager just filed a huge creditor's claim against the estate ... and it's mostly over the sale of Neverland Ranch in 2008.
In the documents, filed yesterday in L.A. County Superior Court, Dr. Tohme says he was promised a certain fee from Michael if he could locate a company to save Neverland Ranch from foreclosure last year.
Dr. Tohme claims he's the one who brought Colony Capital LLC to the table -- the company T says forked over $23 million to save Neverland. Dr. Tohme wants his cut of the deal -- which he claims is approximately $2.3 million.
In July of 2008, Dr. Tohme also says Michael promised him 15% of the singer's "gross compensation within the entertainment industry" -- but T has no clue how much he's owed for this one.
The doc wants in excess of $2.3 million.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/13/dr-tohme- (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/13/dr-tohme-) ... y-from-mj/
TMZ refers to Tohme as "T"
This account twitter already not exist
tweet says June 20
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WgKQcrj6cW8/SybfKjTIdzI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/2kSWfCLnixM/s640/twit1.bmp)
http://twitter.com/chiefcoronerla (http://twitter.com/chiefcoronerla)
His twitter account still exists and FB = facebook, T = twitter. :)
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yep
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not sure that it matters at all but does it look to anyone else like michael has something under his shirt to perhaps make him look heavier in this part of the interviews? :? for the longest time i thought he did look heavier then i realize it was kind of boxey looking.
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not sure that it matters at all but does it look to anyone else like michael has something under his shirt to perhaps make him look heavier in this part of the interviews? :? for the longest time i thought he did look heavier then i realize it was kind of boxey looking.
I think he had too much KFC that night lolol/
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I saw that too suspicious mind and LOL papillon :lol:
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not sure that it matters at all but does it look to anyone else like michael has something under his shirt to perhaps make him look heavier in this part of the interviews? :? for the longest time i thought he did look heavier then i realize it was kind of boxey looking.
I think he had too much KFC that night lolol/
No, it's a hoax, he must have a pillow under that shirt :lol:
Anyway, is that of any help to establish if this is a sting court or a hoax court?
What you guys think suspicious// ?
Or is the man dead as a doornail, having pranks in heaven argue/ ?
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be that all this silence is to day 25?, .. and then we will be riddled with a lot of information :lol:
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not sure that it matters at all but does it look to anyone else like michael has something under his shirt to perhaps make him look heavier in this part of the interviews? :? for the longest time i thought he did look heavier then i realize it was kind of boxey looking.
You know, I've always thought about these kind of things. Mike says that he doesn't like to eat that much. Even as a small child, his mother would sometimes have to coax him into finishing his food. He's never had a big appetite. So then how did he let himself go during this interivew? Was he being injected with steroids for a medical condition? Was it a costume like the mayor, a disguise to hide behind so he wouldn't feel completely uncomfortable? MJ is such a private, terribly shy man. I could see the disguise as a tactic to feel more confident. The Martin Bashir interview was the only time in his life he had let a journalist in his life like that. IDK, Both are possible.
Medical Steroids can create weight gain, and are used for skin conditions among other medical conditions:
http://www.acde.org/common/Steroids.htm
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be that all this silence is to day 25?, .. and then we will be riddled with a lot of information :lol:
I second that!! Maybe TS will show up that day?! Like some others said earlier, I'm glad for the break to catch up on things at home!! Plus I loved that catch 22 picture of the buttons!! lolol/
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2 things happened since his last post: trial delay decision and Jermaine's tweets.
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at this moment, i rather trust TS's well intentions than Teddy's, watching both's behavior after Jermaine's tweets.
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not sure that it matters at all but does it look to anyone else like michael has something under his shirt to perhaps make him look heavier in this part of the interviews? :? for the longest time i thought he did look heavier then i realize it was kind of boxey looking.
I think he had too much KFC that night lolol/
No, it's a hoax, he must have a pillow under that shirt :lol:
Anyway, is that of any help to establish if this is a sting court or a hoax court?
What you guys think suspicious// ?
Or is the man dead as a doornail, having pranks in heaven argue/ ?
so why can't it be a real court, a hoax court and a sting court all rolled into one? would that make it like a moonwalker court ? cause that thing kept me totally confused .
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so why can't it be a real court, a hoax court and a sting court all rolled into one? would that make it like a moonwalker court ? cause that thing kept me totally confused .
real court hmmmmm...A real court means the accusations are real and LAPD conducted a real investigation.
How came that LAPD started to see his death as a manslaughter case? That happened a few days after june 25th ?
It was after the autopsy, that revealed a large amount of drugs in his body?
At this moment I don't know when the results of the autopsy came out, have to check.
IDK it's a mess in my head right now.
I think could be a question for us if the police investigation is real or hoaxed.
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I've always thought the trial to be central and crucial to the hoax, but I'm changing my opinion. I think legal procedures and malpractice are the important things, rather than the actual 'day in court', and highlighting those could be one of the aims of the hoax. After all MJ's 'day in court' resulted in the correct verdict, it was all the preceding stuff and the fact that he was brought to trial at all that was highly suspect.
So if I follow that line of thought I come to the conclusion that if Murray's trial does ever happen, then it's a repeat of MJ's situation. Murray should not go to trial because he didn't 'kill' MJ. So the lawyers behind the scenes are trying to find a case against him when there is none. Are they having doubts and that's why they can't seem to put together a case? Is this delay a way of giving them more time to discover the truth, regardless of whether the judge is 'in the know' or not?
Is MJ simply waiting this thing out as we are? Watching to see how far this case will go before someone raises serious doubts about its legitimacy?
I'm hopeful the current pause in events is simply a PAUSE, and not a STOP. After all they can't just conveniently forget about Murray's case, it has to come to a conclusion one way or another. But I'm at a loss to know how we can move forward at this time with no direction from anyone.
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So the lawyers behind the scenes are trying to find a case against him when there is none.
You are talking about the prosecuters aren't you?
They build their case on what, if MJ is not dead?
They think their case is real or they know it's a hoax?
Maybe we should ask if they are in or not.
Because if they are not in, what evidence makes them think MJ is dead, except the death cerificate and the autopsy report?
Anyone remembers if they said the body was ever identified of being Michael's in some way (DNA or I don't know, other way of identifying the body, of course if a body ever existed...)
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my biggest hope for the trial was that finally people would see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears the information that would come out. that it would not be filtered through the media with their sensational slant. maybe that even is a pipe dream. :(
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If it's a real court, and should they ever seriously delve into whether or not it was really MJ's body with DNA tests and more, then they would surely dismiss the case or throw it out. All the many pieces of supporting evidence with references are all available freely online and on sites like this one, starting with Brian Oxman the attorney's statement that the ambulance photo was a fake--TS got us digging in many pages. But they are basing their whole case against Murray completely on assumptions, do good lawyers really do that all the time? Of course the 2005 trial against MJ was based entirely on false allegations and assumptions, so this trial showcases/mirrors the sheer stupidity and horror of what they did then to an innocent wonderful human being. So I still say hoax court.
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If it's a real court, and should they ever seriously delve into whether or not it was really MJ's body with DNA tests and more, then they would surely dismiss the case or throw it out.
Yes, but they charge Murray's guilt not the authenticity of a death.
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Yes, but they charge Murray's guilt not the authenticity of a death.
Following this path, anybody could bring anybody into court using any accusation if only enough lies are invented and are being told.
Not the original lies would be subject of a judge's / jury's interest but the constructed case only.
Which makes of real U.S. courts authorized and willingly "put into life" stage productions:
- story scripted (what do we lie about on Monday? How much do we have to pay them? Who will interact with whom why and how?)
- actors choosen (who will have to show up in court on Tuesday?)
- actors rehearsing (planting indications - leaving "clues" for the avalanche public - prior to actual court period)
- public getting event announcement by press
- spectators swarming into location
- curtain up - show begins
- warming up gig helpful in getting emotional hooks fixed
- main gig only entering stage being late, later, actually the latest, and folks going wild in waiting and impatience
- show breathtaking, everyone glued, close to a heart attack
- curtain down - applause
- spectators leaving the opera.
That logic could indicate that the presented toy's story court ("I'll play a little with them") is a real court and that there is no specific need for a sting court at all - just exposure of themselves doing what they are always doing would be enough. Defense having collected all evidence of what went wrong in preparation of the case and in bringing the case to court. A sting would be a nice side show but not be required to show that real courts are hanging on a well-paid puppet string. No FBI needed.
What we have witnessed is enough to get Doc Murray out as a free man.
No case without any injured party.
No case if preparation of the case and prosecution prove to have materialized formal defects.
No conviction if the case is an "evidence only" case - testimony vs. testimony - and evidences are so contradicting that neither pro nor con can be identified. In doubt acquit the accused for want of evidence.
I am (almost LOL) sure that evidences have been made most contradicting in this case. :mrgreen:
Why does the scripting / play above remind me so much of June 25 and after...
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Following this path, anybody could bring anybody into court using any accusation if only enough lies are invented and are being told.
Not the original lies would be subject of a judge's / jury's interest but the constructed case only.
Here the originl lies are official papers legally presumed to be true by any law state so they don't have to be analysed or verified by the judge. If i get a drive ticket, the judge will only resume to that ticket , if i diserved it or not and will not start questioning the authenticity of my driving license. Of course, in this case the authenticity of the official papers can be questioned in court by the defense itself who has all the interest , but we know this would not happen and why. Why is there a case in Court anyway?
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(http://www.annointed.net/photopost/data/500/0sad-smiley-068.gif)
I guess that just about sums up my feelings at the moment.
With L.O.V.E.
bearhug :oops:
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If Michael''s death is a hoax, why the police investigation doesn't reveal it?
Because they are in, or because the death is real?
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If Michael''s death is a hoax, why the police investigation doesn't reveal it?
Because they are in, or because the death is real?
Never discover this alone, Gina!
I guess we'll never know anything. Time will tell.
At this moment I can not be positive, nothing can cheer me up on this hoax. What I'm seeing are desperate fans who want to cling to anything. I do not want to be like them! :cry:
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If Michael''s death is a hoax, why the police investigation doesn't reveal it?
Because no hoax issued. Death is a legal truth in Michael's case. And i'm sure that yes, some of them are in on hoax. My opinion.
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Just a possibility:
viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19418#p336250 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19418#p336250)
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If Michael''s death is a hoax, why the police investigation doesn't reveal it?
Because no hoax issued. Death is a legal truth in Michael's case. And i'm sure that yes, some of them are in on hoax. My opinion.
They couldn't even establish the time-line of the events with precision, they erased the surveilance tapes (??!!!), they have not much of a case I suppose. What's their case based on? The autopsy report of Michael Joseph Jackson, the conclusion that he died of an overdose of propofol combined with other 8 drugs....
crash/ Nothing is clear crash/
AnaMarcia I know what you feel, as I feel the same as the days go by and his death seems more and more real, even if it IS too unreal to be true....but you start asking yourself what if it's true, no?
One thing I know: we'll never be able to fully believe he's dead. I know we don't want the same fate as the Elvis' fans who believed he didn't die but if that's the way it has to be - we can't change our fate.
But maybe the answers are in the trial that has to come.
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They couldn't even establish the time-line of the events with precision, they erased the surveilance tapes (??!!!), they have not much of a case I suppose. What's their case based on?
Yeah, i don't even know why this is a case in the first place and to whos benefit.
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They couldn't even establish the time-line of the events with precision, they erased the surveilance tapes (??!!!), they have not much of a case I suppose. What's their case based on?
Yeah, i don't even know why this is a case in the first place and to whos benefit.
The family against Murray and the ones behind Murray. So far they are going against this doctor but do not mention the big companies involved, if any.
One front: MJ did not know about 50 concerts
Other front: Murray injected MJ propofol to be able to sleep and to perform
From there on, let´s guess the truth and the reasons, but what is clear up to today is that MJ is "dead".
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No TS yet :(
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bounce/
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Elsa what happened? bounce/ :lol:
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No TS yet :(
Maybe he passed on the baton, or morphed.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5HtN2hs6a4kwdK4_6b1IVU0Sb-BrSY0S9sOsn2Gt2hWYZOz6t)
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No TS yet :(
Maybe he passed on the baton, or morphed.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5HtN2hs6a4kwdK4_6b1IVU0Sb-BrSY0S9sOsn2Gt2hWYZOz6t)
yes I was thinking about it too. Which one do you prefere? Morph is more fun. TS is more logical.
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I'm sorry that i'm being annoying :oops:
But i have to ask this question again, because no one helped me last time.
In favor of the court sting theory, let me point out a few things. Some say that the court did the right thing back in the 2005 acquittal, so why would it be investigated? The reality is that the defense and jury did the right thing, but what about the prosecution? We already know about Aphrodite’s testimony, and Tom Sneddon (TS :lol: ), etc.
I need help here, i'm trying to understand something!
I read FBI files again (333 pages), not all of them just the last part. Look what it says
[attachment=1:24yn9hb8]FBI.jpg[/attachment:24yn9hb8]
[attachment=0:24yn9hb8]FBI2.jpg[/attachment:24yn9hb8]
Does that mean that FBI SSA (Supervisory Special Agent) and retired FBI SSA were actually helping the prosecutors? The document says that these 2 SSA were consulting SDDA Zonen regarding Prosecution Strategies.
Maybe it's not what i think it is, that's why i need your help guys! bow/
@ Gina
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HPAA) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Ins ... bility_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act)
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Elsa what happened? bounce/ :lol:
:lol:
Kristina sorry I can't help you with that.
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Kristina I don't know if I'm going to be helpful, but this is what it says on the FBI website:
"Does the FBI work through U. S. Attorneys?
Yes. Although the FBI is responsible for investigating possible violations of federal law, the FBI does not give an opinion or decide if an individual will be prosecuted. The federal prosecutors employed by the Department of Justice or the U.S. Attorneys offices are responsible for making this decision and for conducting the prosecution of the case."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs)
It clearly says that the FBI doesn't give an opinion or decide about the individual being prosecuted or not, so they certainly, if I understand correctly, don't help the prosecution per se. They just provide the investigation, their expertise.
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Kristina I don't know if I'm going to be helpful, but this is what it says on the FBI website:
"Does the FBI work through U. S. Attorneys?
Yes. Although the FBI is responsible for investigating possible violations of federal law, the FBI does not give an opinion or decide if an individual will be prosecuted. The federal prosecutors employed by the Department of Justice or the U.S. Attorneys offices are responsible for making this decision and for conducting the prosecution of the case."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs)
It clearly says that the FBI doesn't give an opinion or decide about the individual being prosecuted or not, so they certainly, if I understand correctly, don't help the prosecution per se. They just provide the investigation, their expertise.
Thank you so much for your help! :)
So does that mean, when FBI came to a conclusion that Michael is innocent (because they did not find anything against him) they could not stop the prosecution?
That is so UNFAIR!
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Kristina I don't know if I'm going to be helpful, but this is what it says on the FBI website:
"Does the FBI work through U. S. Attorneys?
Yes. Although the FBI is responsible for investigating possible violations of federal law, the FBI does not give an opinion or decide if an individual will be prosecuted. The federal prosecutors employed by the Department of Justice or the U.S. Attorneys offices are responsible for making this decision and for conducting the prosecution of the case."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs)
It clearly says that the FBI doesn't give an opinion or decide about the individual being prosecuted or not, so they certainly, if I understand correctly, don't help the prosecution per se. They just provide the investigation, their expertise.
Thank you so much for your help! :)
So does that mean, when FBI came to a conclusion that Michael is innocent (because they did not find anything against him) they could not stop the prosecution?
That is so UNFAIR!
You're welcome Kristina ;) Yes this is what I understand as well, they can't intervene directly even if they see that there is nothing against the person being prosecuted, they absolutely can't have a say on that. The thing is that now maybe that this move from the SBCDAO has been helpful and is finally backfiring against them because we have evidence that there was absolutely nothing against Michael... and the FBI saw that the prosecution was unfair, they can't have missed that, which is maybe why some FBI agents are involved with the Hoax now.
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Kristina I don't know if I'm going to be helpful, but this is what it says on the FBI website:
"Does the FBI work through U. S. Attorneys?
Yes. Although the FBI is responsible for investigating possible violations of federal law, the FBI does not give an opinion or decide if an individual will be prosecuted. The federal prosecutors employed by the Department of Justice or the U.S. Attorneys offices are responsible for making this decision and for conducting the prosecution of the case."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs)
It clearly says that the FBI doesn't give an opinion or decide about the individual being prosecuted or not, so they certainly, if I understand correctly, don't help the prosecution per se. They just provide the investigation, their expertise.
Thank you so much for your help! :)
So does that mean, when FBI came to a conclusion that Michael is innocent (because they did not find anything against him) they could not stop the prosecution?
That is so UNFAIR!
You're welcome Kristina ;) Yes this is what I understand as well, they can't intervene directly even if they see that there is nothing against the person being prosecuted, they absolutely can't have a say on that. The thing is that now maybe that this move from the SBCDAO has been helpful and is finally backfiring against them because we have evidence that there was absolutely nothing against Michael... and the FBI saw that the prosecution was unfair, they can't have missed that, which is maybe why some FBI agents are involved with the Hoax now.
so is it possible that drawing this conclusion would lead them to step into the situation and begin their own operation in perhaps trying to get to the bottom of who is behind all of it in the first place?
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so is it possible that drawing this conclusion would lead them to step into the situation and begin their own operation in perhaps trying to get to the bottom of who is behind all of it in the first place?
You think they would care that much to see who's behind it? And why it should be necessary to fake his death for it?
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We also know that for years the FBI investigated MJ, and the pedophile claim; but they found nothing against MJ. Could it be that in the process of this investigation, the FBI found evidence of corruption in the LA prosecution and the MJ trial? Could it be that as a result, the FBI in cooperation with MJ decided to make the LA court system the focus of a sting operation? Please remember that the “top priority” of the FBI is “public corruption” in government agencies; and their investigation specifically includes “verdicts handed down in courts”
Reading this again, I feel we could have an answer for everything.
But many questions remain.
The court would be a sting against corruption court in LA. But I do not see any progress, it seems that things are not working. What about Tom Snedon? I think he would have to be the main focus.
Can an investigation is going on behind the scenes? Finally, two years would not be enough to complete this investigation or not? confused/ bounce/ errrr confused/
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so is it possible that drawing this conclusion would lead them to step into the situation and begin their own operation in perhaps trying to get to the bottom of who is behind all of it in the first place?
You think they would care that much to see who's behind it? And why it should be necessary to fake his death for it?
i don't know . i am just trying to see if we can answer the question that was put forward.
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Kristina I don't know if I'm going to be helpful, but this is what it says on the FBI website:
"Does the FBI work through U. S. Attorneys?
Yes. Although the FBI is responsible for investigating possible violations of federal law, the FBI does not give an opinion or decide if an individual will be prosecuted. The federal prosecutors employed by the Department of Justice or the U.S. Attorneys offices are responsible for making this decision and for conducting the prosecution of the case."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs)
It clearly says that the FBI doesn't give an opinion or decide about the individual being prosecuted or not, so they certainly, if I understand correctly, don't help the prosecution per se. They just provide the investigation, their expertise.
Thank you so much for your help! :)
So does that mean, when FBI came to a conclusion that Michael is innocent (because they did not find anything against him) they could not stop the prosecution?
That is so UNFAIR!
You're welcome Kristina ;) Yes this is what I understand as well, they can't intervene directly even if they see that there is nothing against the person being prosecuted, they absolutely can't have a say on that. The thing is that now maybe that this move from the SBCDAO has been helpful and is finally backfiring against them because we have evidence that there was absolutely nothing against Michael... and the FBI saw that the prosecution was unfair, they can't have missed that, which is maybe why some FBI agents are involved with the Hoax now.
so is it possible that drawing this conclusion would lead them to step into the situation and begin their own operation in perhaps trying to get to the bottom of who is behind all of it in the first place?
Yes I think it's possible...to draw this conclusion. And I forgot but TS already more than hinted to that (thanks AnaMarcia)...now I don't know how deep goes the bottom.
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TS wrote:
TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder
4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???
If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers
whole family speaks of a crime, that Michael was afraid he was killed, TS says it's a real possibility ... there were people who wanted to destroy it anyway, and if in Munich 1999 was not an accident?, and if they were behind all the charges during trial failed to see what they wanted the death threats?
confused/
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TS wrote:
TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder
4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???
If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers
whole family speaks of a crime, that Michael was afraid he was killed, TS says it's a real possibility ... there were people who wanted to destroy it anyway, and if in Munich 1999 was not an accident?, and if they were behind all the charges during trial failed to see what they wanted the death threats?
confused/
For me, can be only that, Paula.
I think in 2002, the conspiracy began after Michael protested Motola. After a few months Bashir appears to destroy the image of Michael. Then reopen a case 10 years ago and they do everything to destroy him forever. In 2008 he announced that he wanted come back the king of pop. From there, may have come the death threats, or even earlier.
For some reason, they did not want him back!
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TS wrote:
TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder
4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???
If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers
whole family speaks of a crime, that Michael was afraid he was killed, TS says it's a real possibility ... there were people who wanted to destroy it anyway, and if in Munich 1999 was not an accident?, and if they were behind all the charges during trial failed to see what they wanted the death threats?
confused/
For me, can be only that, Paula.
I think in 2002, the conspiracy began after Michael protested Motola. After a few months Bashir appears to destroy the image of Michael. Then reopen a case 10 years ago and they do everything to destroy him forever. In 2008 he announced that he wanted come back the king of pop. From there, may have come the death threats, or even earlier.
For some reason, they did not want him back!
can you give more details about this?
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This is just one story about the return of Michael.
23/12/2008 - 12h38
Michael Jackson denies health problems
LOS ANGELES - A spokesman for Michael Jackson released a statement on Tuesday (23), denying a report according to which the former King of Pop needs for a lung transplant due to a rare respiratory disease. It is a "total fabrication," the statement said.
The statement, attributed to the "sole and official spokesman for Michael Jackson, sr. Tohme Tohme," released by Scoop Marketing, cites an interview with writer Ian Halperin published in the British newspaper "Sunday Express". In Halperin said Jackson was suffering from Alpha-1-antitrypsin.
Halperin, who works in an unauthorized biography of the singer, Jackson also said he can barely speak, suffers from emphysema and internal bleeding, and has lost 95% vision in his left eye.
"With respect to plaintiff's allegations, we hope that in future, the legitimate media will not continue to explore such an obvious attempt to promote this" unauthorized biography, "said the statement attributed to Tohme.
"The writer's wild claims about the health of Michael Jackson is a total fabrication," the statement said. "The health of Mr.. Jackson is great and he is finalizing negotiations with a major entertainment company and a television network, to make a world tour and a series of guest appearances."
http://musica.uol.com.br/ultnot/reuters ... saude.jhtm (http://musica.uol.com.br/ultnot/reuters/2008/12/23/michael-jackson-nega-estar-com-problemas-de-saude.jhtm)
At the time I remember that went on a celebrity website that Michael said that he wanted to be the king of pop again and that he was planning his comeback since 2007.
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Please do not let this thread become the primary discussion for all the things that happen during the hearings; there will be other threads for that purpose. Just bring into this thread discussion and evidence related to the focus of The Sting, and especially whether it is hoax court or sting court.
By these words, it appears that TS had no intention of abandoning this thread.
Something happened after your last post. bounce/
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This is just one story about the return of Michael.
23/12/2008 - 12h38
Michael Jackson denies health problems
LOS ANGELES - A spokesman for Michael Jackson released a statement on Tuesday (23), denying a report according to which the former King of Pop needs for a lung transplant due to a rare respiratory disease. It is a "total fabrication," the statement said.The statement, attributed to the "sole and official spokesman for Michael Jackson, sr. Tohme Tohme," .
http://musica.uol.com.br/ultnot/reuters ... saude.jhtm (http://musica.uol.com.br/ultnot/reuters/2008/12/23/michael-jackson-nega-estar-com-problemas-de-saude.jhtm)
So, Tohne was Michael's spokesperson. Why Jermain announced his "death"?...I remember Tohme on the stage, behind curtain when Jermain was announcing that. What close relative announces death anyway, esp. when it is MJ-KOP? I don't recall anything like that with other famous people who died.
As for why would bad guys did not want Michael's come back, I can think of only 1 reason, MJ would again generate more money= more power. What else could be? Everything or majority of matters is about money.
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This is just one story about the return of Michael.
23/12/2008 - 12h38
Michael Jackson denies health problems
LOS ANGELES - A spokesman for Michael Jackson released a statement on Tuesday (23), denying a report according to which the former King of Pop needs for a lung transplant due to a rare respiratory disease. It is a "total fabrication," the statement said.
The statement, attributed to the "sole and official spokesman for Michael Jackson, sr. Tohme Tohme," released by Scoop Marketing, cites an interview with writer Ian Halperin published in the British newspaper "Sunday Express". In Halperin said Jackson was suffering from Alpha-1-antitrypsin.
Halperin, who works in an unauthorized biography of the singer, Jackson also said he can barely speak, suffers from emphysema and internal bleeding, and has lost 95% vision in his left eye.
"With respect to plaintiff's allegations, we hope that in future, the legitimate media will not continue to explore such an obvious attempt to promote this" unauthorized biography, "said the statement attributed to Tohme.
"The writer's wild claims about the health of Michael Jackson is a total fabrication," the statement said. "The health of Mr.. Jackson is great and he is finalizing negotiations with a major entertainment company and a television network, to make a world tour and a series of guest appearances."
http://musica.uol.com.br/ultnot/reuters ... saude.jhtm (http://musica.uol.com.br/ultnot/reuters/2008/12/23/michael-jackson-nega-estar-com-problemas-de-saude.jhtm)
At the time I remember that went on a celebrity website that Michael said that he wanted to be the king of pop again and that he was planning his comeback since 2007.
thanks ana
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Where is TS? I don't think he's ever been absent for this long.
Is he waiting for us to figure out something before he comes back? Is 'bam' coming up, and maybe he's not going to return until after that? Ugh... I don't want to go to worst possible conclusions but I am a bit worried about him. He could at least log in or something. (http://www.annointed.net/photopost/data/500/0sad-smiley-068.gif)
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he's busy bringing Michael back....I hope and pray bow/
-come on Mike you have to come back, your believers are waiting for you..
-no no it's Much too soon...tell them to keep watchin' :lol:
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Where is TS? I don't think he's ever been absent for this long.
Is he waiting for us to figure out something before he comes back? Is 'bam' coming up, and maybe he's not going to return until after that? Ugh... I don't want to go to worst possible conclusions but I am a bit worried about him. He could at least log in or something. (http://www.annointed.net/photopost/data/500/0sad-smiley-068.gif)
He/she probably drank too much water from the fountain of youth (http://www.bustler.net/index.php/michael_jackson_competition/entry/fountain_of_youth_-_the_michael_jackson_memorial/) and it's in diapers now! lolol/
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I continue thinking that this photo say very much rr/
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4746/fbii.jpg)
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Crazy thoughts after seeing this in the news...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... html?lanow (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/06/fbi-used-ruse-to-lure-bulger-from-santa-monica-home-authorities-say.html?lanow)
Crime boss James Whitey Bulger arrested in Santa Monica, CA.
So Bulger is Irish... and he was arrested only a few blocks from where our infamous Dr. Murray is often seen walking about wearing green...the 3rd. Street Promenade.
Not saying there is a connection but it does make one go "hmmmmmmm" and "wtf?" lol
craziness
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I don't get it mdc...?
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Crazy thoughts after seeing this in the news...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... html?lanow (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/06/fbi-used-ruse-to-lure-bulger-from-santa-monica-home-authorities-say.html?lanow)
Crime boss James Whitey Bulger arrested in Santa Monica, CA.
So Bulger is Irish... and he was arrested only a few blocks from where our infamous Dr. Murray is often seen walking about wearing green...the 3rd. Street Promenade.
Not saying there is a connection but it does make one go "hmmmmmmm" and "wtf?" lol
craziness
your saying that Murray might be in a gang? or a mobster?? hmmmmm well.. he did /does have financial problems and probably would do whatever to get money.. maybe he borrowed some from this man and couldnt pay back... so they told Murray they woudl kill him if he dint get the money.. so he started working for michael and sedated him and was only going to take his money but he accidentaly killed him at the same time...... maybe...
(but I still believe michael is alive so that wont fly all the way)
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I continue thinking that this photo say very much rr/
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4746/fbii.jpg)
There are 3 smiling, 3 wearing sunglasses, 3 sports shirts each with a set of three - 3 polo players, 3 yellow stripes and a 3 leaf clover. Does that mean something?
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Elsa wrote:
paula-c wrote:
I continue thinking that this photo say very much
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4746/fbii.jpg)
There are 3 smiling, 3 wearing sunglasses, 3 sports shirts each with a set of three - 3 polo players, 3 yellow stripes and a 3 leaf clover. Does that mean something?
And the FBI, Marlon do not use dark spectacles in this photo
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The colours remind of flags of Côte d'Ivoire, India, Ireland, Niger, rasta, martial arts belts ...
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/in-lgflag.gif)
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/ng-lgflag.gif)
(http://www.kochmartialarts.net/catalog/Century%20Belt%20Displays.jpg)
FBI stands for a whole list of acronyms:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/FBI.html
of which I like this:
Funny, Beautiful, Intelligent
:D
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The colours remind of flags of Côte d'Ivoire, India, [shadow=blue:1zcbhq7t]Ireland[/shadow:1zcbhq7t], Niger, rasta, martial arts belts ...
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/in-lgflag.gif)
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/flags/large/ng-lgflag.gif)
(http://www.kochmartialarts.net/catalog/Century%20Belt%20Displays.jpg)
FBI stands for a whole list of acronyms:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/FBI.html
of which I like this:
Funny, Beautiful, Intelligent
:D
Thanks for the link, I found: FBI = From Big Island :arrow: Ireland, which is the third-largest island of Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland). Michael spent some time in Ireland in 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KhYB1JoONE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KhYB1JoONE)
Michael Jackson's Brother Reveals Ireland Was King of Pop's Sanctuary
Share7 CommentsPrintText Size- / +By DEBBIE MCGOLDRICK,
IrishCentral.com
Sept. 27, 2009
Michael Jackson's older brother Jermaine made a pit stop in Dublin on Friday en route from Vienna to appear on the "Late Late Show," where he revealed to host Ryan Tubridy that Ireland was Michael's "getaway" place to escape from all the madness in his ultimately tragic life.
Michael, said Jermaine, "loved it here very much, and I love it here too. He spent a lot of time in Cork in the castles. It's just so peaceful. It's green and beautiful. This is why we come."
Michael's shocking death shook the world when it happened in June, and the Irish were as wracked with grief as anyone – we know this for fact because we were in County Kerry when news of his murder broke. (Doctors irresponsibly prescribing cocktails of drugs that were bound to kill sooner or later? Yep, we'd call that murder.)
Michael spent large chunks of time in Ireland during the past few years, including an extended stint in 2006 when he stayed at Grouse Lodge in County Westmeath to record some new music with will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas.
"Ireland has inspired me to make a great album. I have never given up on making music," he told Billy Bush of "Access Hollywood." Bush traveled to Ireland for a sit-down interview with Jackson, which turned out to be Michael's last time taking questions from a TV interviewer.
The tranquility of Ireland was a calming influence for Michael, Jermaine affirmed.
"This was his getaway place, to get away from all the craziness," he added.
Jermaine is still working away on plans for a big tribute concert for his brother, which is set to take place next June at Wembley Stadium in London after plans for a show in Vienna this month fell through.
Undoubtedly a galaxy of stars will participate, and Jermaine thinks that U2 would be a standout act.
"It would be great if U2 were to come along to the Michael tribute. Everyone wants to get on board," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/mic ... id=8675454 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-jacksons-brother-reveals-ireland-king-pops-sanctuary/story?id=8675454)
AND Jermaine's wearing a shirt with "Ireland" on it. What about Ireland? 8-)
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For those who have not seen it, here are links to Michael Jackson’s Last TV Interview by Access Hollywood. Notice it was filmed in Ireland.
There are 3 parts to this last interview. "Michael Jackson’s Last TV Interview: Billy Bush Visits Michael & Will.I.Am In Ireland (Nov. 2006)." "Michael Jackson’s Last TV Interview: Michael & His Love Of Cameras (Ireland, Nov. 2006)" and "Michael Jackson Talks Digital Revolution & Comeback (Ireland, Oct. 2006)"
:D
http://www.accesshollywood.com/twitter/_video_1130276 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/twitter/_video_1130276)
http://www.accesshollywood.com/last-tv- ... eo_1130386 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/last-tv-interview-michael-jackson-talks-digital-revolution-and-comeback-ireland-oct-2006_video_1130386)
http://www.accesshollywood.com/michael- ... eo_1130275 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/michael-jacksons-last-tv-interview-michael-and-his-love-of-cameras-ireland-nov-2006_video_1130275)
Blessed viewing!
OnTheWingsOfLove!
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Is Newgrange not in Ireland. I think that Newgrange is equivalent to Stonehege in London and it was stated that it is other than the pyramids in Egypt. I hope that you can see the connections of these places.