Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: hachiman on April 22, 2011, 04:44:25 PM
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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/photo.JPG
That's all I want to know, it's from 2003.
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no pic there.....
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/photo.JPG
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That's all I want to know, it's from 2003.
Hachiman sorry but there is nothing on the link you send us.
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picture edited
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No first time I see it. Thank you :D
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I have seen that one before recently...on this forum maybe? Can't remember.
But I just came across this photo I've never seen:
(http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jackson-Picture-Rare-Unseen-3-Arno-Bani.jpg)
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hachiman, Yes I've seen it before as a GIF. Was this helpful. But when I saw it before it was the right way up.
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Here it is rotated:
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6016/me1gf.jpg)
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SEHF, Thanks for saving my neck. :)
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I hope I'm not the only one seeing what I see with this pic...
Look...old nose... see no up turned pointy end? The bridge is flat, wider. That pic is strange. Like, I can't even place the time factor. The face is fuller, the eyebrows...
But, TII hair and shirt, but THAT IS NOT TII face. Don't look like a double either, looks like it is Michael, but I can't place the year.
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And, while looking, look at this. Maybe you've seen it before. I've been known to forget...
But, I've never noticed this scar? running clear from his nose to his lip!!
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Yikes! Where did the scar come from ???
Also, the pic that is supposedly from 2003 is very strange. Can't place it. Something ain't right. :?
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And, while looking, look at this. Maybe you've seen it before. I've been known to forget...
But, I've never noticed this scar? running clear from his nose to his lip!!
I always said it he is not Michael Jackson... look at his nose, his teeth, his lips.. that is not him.
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
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The picture you speak of was taken during Michael's visit to the Congressional Black Caucus at Capitol Hill.
(http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/images/stories/newsarchive/washington2.jpg)
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The picture you speak of was taken during Michael's visit to the Congressional Black Caucus at Capitol Hill.
(http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/images/stories/newsarchive/washington2.jpg)
Exactly! :P
Here's more ;)
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5374/mjcapitolhillmar04.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7867/michaelvisitscapitolhil.jpg)
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Well, okay, whenever the pic was taken, what about that scar? You can see he has on a lot of makeup, and the scar is not covered. I haven't seen any others with it showing yet. Also, someone posted on another thread I think, of a reporter speculating on one of the autopsy pics showing his face to show the scar on the left of his face. WHY'd they need to show that, unless someone was saying in court that it wasn't really Michael???? I haven't seen that little "pox mark" in years....
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So that was MJ in 2004...I thought it was 2003 before.
By the way Mj5StarChick judging by your sig pic your a fan of BTR? I love their songs.
Anyway in some of the photos you can kinda see the scar and then you can't.
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
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this looks photo shopped to me
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
[attachment=0:1hrz1eum]Michael-Jackson--26443.jpg[/attachment:1hrz1eum]
This picture has been photoshopped, you can easily see it from his hands.
I can't find the picture it has been edited from, - but it's definitely out there!
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
[attachment=0:3cz90hrd]Michael-Jackson--26443.jpg[/attachment:3cz90hrd]
This picture has been photoshopped, you can easily see it from his hands.
I can't find the picture it has been edited from, - but it's definitely out there!
I thought that too, Michael has distinguished hands, and black finger nails. This does not have it. I hate when people have to photoshopped a picture. Let it be..
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This is the cooking photoshopped pic...from a photoshopping site.
http://www.freakingnews.com/Michael-Jac ... -32460.asp (http://www.freakingnews.com/Michael-Jackson-Pics-32460.asp)
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
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This picture has been photoshopped, you can easily see it from his hands.
I can't find the picture it has been edited from, - but it's definitely out there!
I was going to say the same thing. :lol: Those are not Michael's hands.
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I have seen that one before recently...on this forum maybe? Can't remember.
But I just came across this photo I've never seen:
(http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jackson-Picture-Rare-Unseen-3-Arno-Bani.jpg)
I've never seen this pic before. :shock:
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And, while looking, look at this. Maybe you've seen it before. I've been known to forget...
But, I've never noticed this scar? running clear from his nose to his lip!!
I think that picture is photoshopped. Because there is no scar in ANY of the other 02 pictures. And he is definitely Michael. It's his teeth, his lips, his smile and his hands.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2ptv4fc.jpg)(http://i51.tinypic.com/pqicx.jpg)(http://i56.tinypic.com/2l8g3nt.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ebv8yb.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/2wpjjwn.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/5fmdub.jpg)
And some pictures of Michael from TII to compare with 02 Michael. Same chin, same nose, same teeth. It's all Michael, both in these pictures and in 02 arena.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2rnxyyo.jpg)(http://i51.tinypic.com/2ylmeky.jpg)(http://i56.tinypic.com/2cxdzqg.jpg)(http://i51.tinypic.com/fo23wz.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/30w6vt2.jpg)(http://i55.tinypic.com/ej8r3a.jpg)
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I have seen that one before recently...on this forum maybe? Can't remember.
But I just came across this photo I've never seen:
(http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jackson-Picture-Rare-Unseen-3-Arno-Bani.jpg)
I've never seen this pic before. :shock:
It's from the Arno Bani collection, supposedly from 1999.
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
[attachment=0:1ymp0cbf]Michael-Jackson--26443.jpg[/attachment:1ymp0cbf]
This picture has been photoshopped, you can easily see it from his hands.
I can't find the picture it has been edited from, - but it's definitely out there!
I was going to say the same thing. :lol: Those are not Michael's hands.
same here. And on what stove with what old pots? Definitely not in his kitchen :lol: :lol:
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
[attachment=0:ygdesjwl]Michael-Jackson--26443.jpg[/attachment:ygdesjwl]
This picture has been photoshopped, you can easily see it from his hands.
I can't find the picture it has been edited from, - but it's definitely out there!
I was going to say the same thing. :lol: Those are not Michael's hands.
same here. And on what stove with what old pots? Definitely not in his kitchen :lol: :lol:
It's maybe McDonalds kitchen. :lol: Remember TMZ article about him working in McDonalds? :lol:
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I put the link up from the photoshop page it from. I think it was done because of the stupid McD's quote someone also stupid stated and did end up on tmz with. You are right...
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
[attachment=0:15fnjd99]Michael-Jackson--26443.jpg[/attachment:15fnjd99]
This is a photoshopped picture from the 2005 trial :)
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So that was MJ in 2004...I thought it was 2003 before.
By the way Mj5StarChick judging by your sig pic your a fan of BTR? I love their songs.
Anyway in some of the photos you can kinda see the scar and then you can't.
LOL your the first to notice and yep HUGE fan! LOVE them!! LOL :D
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And, while looking, look at this. Maybe you've seen it before. I've been known to forget...
But, I've never noticed this scar? running clear from his nose to his lip!!
I think that picture is photoshopped. Because there is no scar in ANY of the other 02 pictures. And he is definitely Michael. It's his teeth, his lips, his smile and his hands.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2ptv4fc.jpg)(http://i51.tinypic.com/pqicx.jpg)(http://i56.tinypic.com/2l8g3nt.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ebv8yb.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/2wpjjwn.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/5fmdub.jpg)
And some pictures of Michael from TII to compare with 02 Michael. Same chin, same nose, same teeth. It's all Michael, both in these pictures and in 02 arena.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2rnxyyo.jpg)(http://i51.tinypic.com/2ylmeky.jpg)(http://i56.tinypic.com/2cxdzqg.jpg)(http://i51.tinypic.com/fo23wz.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/30w6vt2.jpg)(http://i55.tinypic.com/ej8r3a.jpg)
in the 9th picture down where he is licking his lip ..in the background you see clothes on a rack..this alwasy bother me..it looks like they could have been the outfits used for the ushers??!!..i dont recal any dancers that wore any uniforms in this is it??!!..just a thought..
huggs n faith to all
suzz
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Here is what the ushers wore
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kvYJOjDaKfI/S9Y-XHWnu6I/AAAAAAAAA10/oYcjZUrGNng/s640/dancerushers.jpg)
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Woah! No! The O2 guy is NOT MJ! :x
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Woah! No! The O2 guy is NOT MJ! :x
BINGO! :D :D
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I think the scar on the O2 guys face is a shadow from his hair.
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Woah! No! The O2 guy is NOT MJ! :x
Can you please back up your opinion? I posted several pictures from TII rehearsals and from 02. If you say that 02 guy wasn't Michael then you believe that the person in the pictures I posted from TII era isn't also Michael. And we saw him in several videos talking to Kenny and dancers etc. Do you believe that it was all a double? Because both TII and 02 guy is the same. It is so obvious that it is the same chin, same teeth, same nose, same hands. You're getting pissed and claiming something but you do not back up your theory. What you're doing is blindly believing in what you want to believe which doesn't take you to the truth.
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This also is a picture never seen.. This looks more the 2005 era.
[attachment=0:17dadwqr]Michael-Jackson--26443.jpg[/attachment:17dadwqr]
This one is sooo photoshopped! I even believe those are woman hands. :lol:
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For better view, I attached both of the pictures. You can see the smile, the chin, the teeth, the nose are the same with the TII Michael and 02 Michael. And I circled the second picture to show how the hands are the same. It's all Michael.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/fz5dol.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hp2hwx.jpg)
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I agree totally, it is him without a doubt. Everybody looks a LITTLE different in a photo, but here you can see, that it is him. I looked closely at his teeth in another photo, and there is NO doubt at all that it is Michael. :D
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For better view, I attached both of the pictures. You can see the smile, the chin, the teeth, the nose are the same with the TII Michael and 02 Michael. And I circled the second picture to show how the hands are the same. It's all Michael.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/fz5dol.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hp2hwx.jpg)
Everybody is entitled to have their own opinion. Mine is that it wasn't Michael at the O2.
I think the laugh from the top one is totally different. His laugh is wide and and his mouth is more closed.And the cleft in his chin is deeper.
In the picture on the bottom Michael on the left has a much more rounder laugh and his mouth more open.I'm not so good in explaining, I hope you understand what I mean? (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t292/smiliegirl2007/523716bsnxx88uuv.gif)
It's only my opinion and of course I could be wrong but this is what I see. For me the real Michael is in the last pictures.
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Here is what the ushers wore
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kvYJOjDaKfI/S9Y-XHWnu6I/AAAAAAAAA10/oYcjZUrGNng/s640/dancerushers.jpg)
So these people are suppose to be mourning? :lol: once again the smiles and happiness in this pictures says it all. There's no way he is dead with them smiling like they were invited to a party of a lifetime. say cheeeeeese :D.
:lol:
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I have seen that one before recently...on this forum maybe? Can't remember.
But I just came across this photo I've never seen:
(http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jackson-Picture-Rare-Unseen-3-Arno-Bani.jpg)
Here is another one :D
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For better view, I attached both of the pictures. You can see the smile, the chin, the teeth, the nose are the same with the TII Michael and 02 Michael. And I circled the second picture to show how the hands are the same. It's all Michael.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/fz5dol.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hp2hwx.jpg)
In my opinion they all look like MJ except for the actual announcement picture. It's like a different person came up on stage (a convincing double yet a double nevertheless). :|
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For better view, I attached both of the pictures. You can see the smile, the chin, the teeth, the nose are the same with the TII Michael and 02 Michael. And I circled the second picture to show how the hands are the same. It's all Michael.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/fz5dol.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hp2hwx.jpg)
Everybody is entitled to have their own opinion. Mine is that it wasn't Michael at the O2.
I think the laugh from the top one is totally different. His laugh is wide and and his mouth is more closed.And the cleft in his chin is deeper.
In the picture on the bottom Michael on the left has a much more rounder laugh and his mouth more open.I'm not so good in explaining, I hope you understand what I mean? (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t292/smiliegirl2007/523716bsnxx88uuv.gif)
It's only my opinion and of course I could be wrong but this is what I see. For me the real Michael is in the last pictures.
I meant the left one on top, the right one on top is Michael I think.
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For better view, I attached both of the pictures. You can see the smile, the chin, the teeth, the nose are the same with the TII Michael and 02 Michael. And I circled the second picture to show how the hands are the same. It's all Michael.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/fz5dol.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hp2hwx.jpg)
Everybody is entitled to have their own opinion. Mine is that it wasn't Michael at the O2.
I think the laugh from the top one is totally different. His laugh is wide and and his mouth is more closed.And the cleft in his chin is deeper.
In the picture on the bottom Michael on the left has a much more rounder laugh and his mouth more open.I'm not so good in explaining, I hope you understand what I mean? (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t292/smiliegirl2007/523716bsnxx88uuv.gif)
It's only my opinion and of course I could be wrong but this is what I see. For me the real Michael is in the last pictures.
The lips looks wider on the left because the picture on the right is not from the front like the 02 one. The smile is the same. The cleft on the chin is the same too. It may look deeper according to the lighting and to the photoshop in the picture. The problem is, you guys are expecting him to look exactly the same in every single picture. This can never happen. Do you look the same in every single picture of yours? Even the fingers are the same. I circled it on purpose because how can be the bump on his fingers be the same with the 02 Michael if he wasn't Michael? The skeleton structure even tells it all.
I'm not arguing or trying to make you believe what I believe but it is just in front of your eyes and I can not believe how some can not recognize him. And that is not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is, people call 02 Michael with horrible names. They write terrible things about him. Once I saw that one of the fans wrote that he had a big clown smile. Can you imagine how much it hurts him if he reads it? It hurts me too as I know that he was Michael himself at 02. It hurts me and it pisses me off to see people writing terrible things about him. And this also makes me piss off when they can not recognize him. He didn't change that much for the fans not to recognize him. But all these double, twin stories created by imaginary brains effected what you think about the way he looks. I'm not saying that you can't think or see your own but you need to accept that you have read so many double and twin stories that you started to think about the possibility of it. And this is what exactly made you started to fall into the dilemma. Even if you see real Michael on the tv screen, you'll be asking yourself "Is that Michael or a double?". Don't do this to yourselves and don't do this to him. When he's presenting something to us, he would never use a double. He would not do this to his fans. You know this.
People do not need to agree about this issue but they should be respectful to him, even if they do not believe it was Michael himself. I'm talking in general here. I hope I didn't offend you allforlove. (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0025.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
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For better view, I attached both of the pictures. You can see the smile, the chin, the teeth, the nose are the same with the TII Michael and 02 Michael. And I circled the second picture to show how the hands are the same. It's all Michael.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/fz5dol.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hp2hwx.jpg)
In my opinion they all look like MJ except for the actual announcement picture. It's like a different person came up on stage (a convincing double yet a double nevertheless). :|
There is no double that looks exactly like Michael. They had to be copied and pasted Michael into a "double" to appear on that stage. If there's a technology that can do it, I definitely would love to meet that copy and paste Michael. :lol:
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I think the scar on the O2 guys face is a shadow from his hair.
Exactly what I was thinking...
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@Purelove: Hi! Well, I haven´t read all the double stories yet, so I´m still quite "innocent" about that...
Ok, the photos may tell their own story. But when I saw the O2 announcement, the person on stage looked and behaved so different from the Michael I knew, that it just jumped into my mind, that it´s probably not him.
Of course he has the right to change his looks and his image, but sorry Michael and everyone :oops: , I don´t think it was the best choice if it really was him, which I still doubt.
I just am not able to proove it yet.
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I think the scar on the O2 guys face is a shadow from his hair.
Exactly what I was thinking...
Because if you see this pic he doesn't have the scar any more
(http://i51.tinypic.com/pqicx.jpg)
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I'm not arguing or trying to make you believe what I believe but it is just in front of your eyes and I can not believe how some can not recognize him
Why not, you can't deny Michael changed his looks many times, so is it that far fetched to have doubt if it is him?
The biggest problem is, people call 02 Michael with horrible names
I have never called him horrible names. In fact I think if it is Michael or a double he looks good, I just can't feel him, if you understand what I mean?
I'm not saying that you can't think or see your own but you need to accept that you have read so many double and twin stories that you started to think about the possibility of it
Now you are being prejudiced. You don't know what I think or believe, so to say I have been effected by these stories is wrong. I always make my own opinion about someone. If it effect me in any way it would be the opposite effect. I feel sorry if there are bad rumors told about a person,it gives me more reason to really know the truth by learning to know him or her.
People do not need to agree about this issue but they should be respectful to him, even if they do not believe it was Michael himself.
Where did you ever see me not being repectful to him? I agree people should be respectful, always,even if they don't treat you respectful. It makes us human and civilised and I don't want to be some kind of unsensible, heartless bitch.
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@Purelove: Hi! Well, I haven´t read all the double stories yet, so I´m still quite "innocent" about that...
Ok, the photos may tell their own story. But when I saw the O2 announcement, the person on stage looked and behaved so different from the Michael I knew, that it just jumped into my mind, that it´s probably not him.
Of course he has the right to change his looks and his image, but sorry Michael and everyone <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> , I don´t think it was the best choice if it really was him, which I still doubt.
I just am not able to proove it yet.
Well actually he didn't change his look. He's the same Michael. Just a different wig and that's all. Here are some videos that would make you see it clearly.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfruCRcvU4&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-e7vizNWEM&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
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@allforlove
First off, I think you missed to read the last part of my post allforlove. So for better understanding I'll be posting it once more.
People do not need to agree about this issue but they should be respectful to him, even if they do not believe it was Michael himself. I'm talking in general here. I hope I didn't offend you allforlove. (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0025.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
As you can see, I was referring to the ones who call him horrible names, and not you. So you didn't need to be offended and get it on yourself.
Why not, you can't deny Michael changed his looks many times, so is it that far fetched to have doubt if it is him?
I disagree with that. He didn't change the way he looks after the 80s. And I'm saying that there's NO difference at all at the 02 Michael. That is the reason why I'm surprised he wasn't recognized.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2jeu368.jpg)(http://i53.tinypic.com/fy0jl3.jpg)(http://i56.tinypic.com/2uj4j1s.jpg)
In the last picture on the right, it was just a night before he made the 02 announcement. The only difference might be about the cleft on his chin. It looks deeper at the 2000s.
I have never called him horrible names. In fact I think if it is Michael or a double he looks good, I just can't feel him, if you understand what I mean?
Hope you got that I wasn't talking about you in my post.
Now you are being prejudiced. You don't know what I think or believe, so to say I have been effected by these stories is wrong. I always make my own opinion about someone. If it effect me in any way it would be the opposite effect. I feel sorry if there are bad rumors told about a person,it gives me more reason to really know the truth by learning to know him or her.
Everybody is entitled to have their own opinion. Mine is that it wasn't Michael at the O2.
You've already stated your opinion. So I wasn't prejudiced about what you think about 02 Michael. You wrote that 02 Michael was not Michael himself. I strongly believe that many people were effected so badly from all these twin and double theories. It's my opinion but it looks like it effected some a lot.
Where did you ever see me not being repectful to him? I agree people should be respectful, always,even if they don't treat you respectful. It makes us human and civilised and I don't want to be some kind of unsensible, heartless bitch.
People do not need to agree about this issue but they should be respectful to him, even if they do not believe it was Michael himself. I'm talking in general here. I hope I didn't offend you allforlove.[/b] http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk](http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0025.gif)[/url]
I never wrote that you were disrespectful. You misread my post or didn't read it well. And once again, I hope I didn't offend you because that's not my intention.
And finally I'd love to suggest you to watch these videos. There was another one that I watched very long time ago which proves that it was Michael at 02 from his behaviour and the walking style but I can't find the video. If I can find it, I'll be posting it too. :)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfruCRcvU4&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-e7vizNWEM&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
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You are right, somehow I missed the part of talking in general.(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/zaramire/webpics/smileys/zbsorryc124.gif)
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These pictures you post are all Michael and yes on those he didn't change much.But you have to agree that during the Invicible period he did look different, maybe because of fillers or something I don't know.
I saw the vids you posted and I have to admit they are pretty convincing.That's why I say it's only my opinion and of course I can be wrong.
Maybe it was the lightning at the O2, I don't know anymore, I'm really confused now.. It's just that looking at him during the speech I never felt the warm feelings I usually get when I see him and I still think his laugh was way different. Maybe because he was so thin but he was also very thin at the Radio Music Award in 2003 and he didn't change there.But knowing Michael, whatever the case is, I'm convinced it was his intention to cause confusion about wether it's him or not.(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/Surinderjit/PeaceOffering.gif)
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You are right, somehow I missed the part of talking in general.(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/zaramire/webpics/smileys/zbsorryc124.gif)
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These pictures you post are all Michael and yes on those he didn't change much.But you have to agree that during the Invicible period he did look different, maybe because of fillers or something I don't know.
I saw the vids you posted and I have to admit they are pretty convincing.That's why I say it's only my opinion and of course I can be wrong.
Maybe it was the lightning at the O2, I don't know anymore, I'm really confused now.. It's just that looking at him during the speech I never felt the warm feelings I usually get when I see him and I still think his laugh was way different. Maybe because he was so thin but he was also very thin at the Radio Music Award in 2003 and he didn't change there.But knowing Michael, whatever the case is, I'm convinced it was his intention to cause confusion about wether it's him or not.(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/Surinderjit/PeaceOffering.gif)
That's ok hun. (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0040.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) Sometimes we missread or miss some parts of the posts. You're such a very sweet person and I do love you and I would never ever want to hurt your feelings. (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/love/love0047.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) I did understand that you missed reading the part where I wrote "in general". <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
The lighting is the MOST important thing in photography. It can make you look like totally a different person. I'm saying this as my profession is filmmaking and I was behind the camera many many times. Sometimes the actors ask you to make the shooting from the other side of them because they believe that they look different from both aspects. Also the lighting can make you look younger or older.
About 02 Michael, let's say that he is an impersonator who disappeared like smoke in thin air after the 02 and let's say that his teeth, nose, lips, chin were done exactly the same like Michael's but how could they even make the bumps on his fingers exactly like Michael's? How did they make his long curved fingers exactly like Michael's? They can not change the bone structure. And there can be noone on this earth who can look exactly like Michael. His long arms, and legs, the shape of his face, how could all this be arranged exactly like Michael's? I looked out for every single double and I saw the ones who look like him BUT there are still lots and lots of differences when you get into the details and look carefully. For better comparison about what I was trying to say about the face's bone structure, here's a picture. And some more other pictures of him. The second picture is from 02 again. I know no other person who has the most beautiful smile other than Michael himself. Look at him. That was definitely our angel at 02.
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And about how the lighting can change the way you look. Just an example from Latoya. In the first picture you can see the deep wrinkles on her cheeks but in the car the wrinkles are all gone. You can see the brightness in the second picture.
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Once more.
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I hope I could explain what I was trying to say and I hope you understood why I pissed off when I see people writing terrible things about 02 Michael. I do think for him and how he would feel. Many people say terrible things about him but they're MJ haters and I do not think that Michael would care what they say but when someone you love say terrible things about you, it breaks your heart, you know. And what would he feel like when his fans that he loves a lot, couldn't recognize him and write all the terrible things about the way he looks at 02? I'm sure that he was hurt a lot. That hurts me too. There were lots of liars around about the 02 Michael. One of the so called insiders said that Michael was so sick and he had to send an impersonator to the 02, the other so called insider said that Michael went there too but he didn't get on the stage but a double did the announcement. Many people said many ridiculous things about 02 and unfortunately, many people believed these weird theories and started to compare Michael's pictures without the knowledge of how lighting and aspect can change the quality of the picture as well as the way the person looks. Do I believe Michael uses doubles? Of course he does. We know he sends a double when he is getting out of a shop, or a building etc BUT he never used a double on stage when he was announcing his concert or when he was making an interview. I personally do NOT believe that he would fake his fans like that. And it was again himself at 02 when he was announcing his so called tour. That was the beginning of the hoax and I bet he was excited a lot. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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And it was again himself at 02 when he was announcing his so called tour. That was the beginning of the hoax and I bet he was excited a lot.[/b] :)
So, when the so called tour was the beginning of the hoax, why not hoax the announcement as well?
The photos may be convincing in a certain way, but I also agree to allforlove´s post, I also missed the warm feeling and the certain kind of mysterious energy I used to feel when I saw Michael speaking.
And I have to repeat, I´m not a fan, I´m a supporter.
There was something wrong, false energy, the manner strong, but not in a good way.
And that was not only the hard lighting.
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I agree enternalflame.
If the 02 MJ was a fake (and I used to think for sure that he was), then I'm not feeling a clone this time. It almost looks like a MJ mask. "Behind the Mask." And the real MJ was "Behind the curtain." Remember, that was one of the first tweets from who was it, Deepak or Gotham Chopra?
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I used to question O2 guy's identity but as thorough examination happened many times in these almost 2 years, I have become fully convinced he was our Michael, without a shadow of doubt. THanks to all who put up all the great comparison photos. Many times I have compared different era and interview pics of MJ simply because it drives me crazy how he can change, but invariably in comparing I realize they are still him but he changes his hair, make-up, lighting, perhaps a little dermatology help by Klein etc., even his mood or whether he's relaxed or posing for pics. I absolutely feel the magic of 02 Michael, even though I feel he's putting on a show for his illusion act, just as he puts on the showman in Ghosts. He's a Thriller in every sense, and as Orianthi said, his presence is just amazing.
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After learning a few things about the days and/or weeks before that announcement, I’ve become convinced too that it is Michael making the announcement. I see a reluctant, angry Michael addressing the establishment, and conveying his dissatisfaction through his mannerism and his words. But I also see him soften once his attention is turned towards, and directed at us, the ones who matter most, and that’s when the real “Michael” comes front and center.
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And it was again himself at 02 when he was announcing his so called tour. That was the beginning of the hoax and I bet he was excited a lot.[/b] :)
So, when the so called tour was the beginning of the hoax, why not hoax the announcement as well?
The photos may be convincing in a certain way, but I also agree to allforlove´s post, I also missed the warm feeling and the certain kind of mysterious energy I used to feel when I saw Michael speaking.
And I have to repeat, I´m not a fan, I´m a supporter.
There was something wrong, false energy, the manner strong, but not in a good way.
And that was not only the hard lighting.
Some say that they didn't get the energy of Michael but some say that they did. I felt nothing wrong with him. So I think it was you guys who felt it different. It wasn't something Michael caused. If it was so, then all of us would have felt the same.
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I agree enternalflame.
If the 02 MJ was a fake (and I used to think for sure that he was), then I'm not feeling a clone this time. It almost looks like a MJ mask. "Behind the Mask." And the real MJ was "Behind the curtain." Remember, that was one of the first tweets from who was it, Deepak or Gotham Chopra?
There's not a mask that fits perfectly and make you look exactly like Michael. I'm into film business too and I know what kind of dummies, and masks are used. There's nothing like that. And there was noone else behind the curtain. People showed a picture of Michael getting on the stage and told that he was the real Michael and the double was on stage but nobody could show any picture where both of them are in the same photo and nobody saw the Michael behind that curtain since he was so visible! These are just crappy theories that some misery brains created.
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I used to question O2 guy's identity but as thorough examination happened many times in these almost 2 years, I have become fully convinced he was our Michael, without a shadow of doubt. THanks to all who put up all the great comparison photos. Many times I have compared different era and interview pics of MJ simply because it drives me crazy how he can change, but invariably in comparing I realize they are still him but he changes his hair, make-up, lighting, perhaps a little dermatology help by Klein etc., even his mood or whether he's relaxed or posing for pics. I absolutely feel the magic of 02 Michael, even though I feel he's putting on a show for his illusion act, just as he puts on the showman in Ghosts. He's a Thriller in every sense, and as Orianthi said, his presence is just amazing.
After learning a few things about the days and/or weeks before that announcement, I’ve become convinced too that it is Michael making the announcement. I see a reluctant, angry Michael addressing the establishment, and conveying his dissatisfaction through his mannerism and his words. But I also see him soften once his attention is turned towards, and directed at us, the ones who matter most, and that’s when the real “Michael” comes front and center.
:D ;)
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That's ok hun. Sometimes we missread or miss some parts of the posts. You're such a very sweet person and I do love you and I would never ever want to hurt your feelings. I did understand that you missed reading the part where I wrote "in general".
The lighting is the MOST important thing in photography. It can make you look like totally a different person. I'm saying this as my profession is filmmaking and I was behind the camera many many times. Sometimes the actors ask you to make the shooting from the other side of them because they believe that they look different from both aspects. Also the lighting can make you look younger or older.
About 02 Michael, let's say that he is an impersonator who disappeared like smoke in thin air after the 02 and let's say that his teeth, nose, lips, chin were done exactly the same like Michael's but how could they even make the bumps on his fingers exactly like Michael's? How did they make his long curved fingers exactly like Michael's? They can not change the bone structure. And there can be noone on this earth who can look exactly like Michael. His long arms, and legs, the shape of his face, how could all this be arranged exactly like Michael's? I looked out for every single double and I saw the ones who look like him BUT there are still lots and lots of differences when you get into the details and look carefully. For better comparison about what I was trying to say about the face's bone structure, here's a picture. And some more other pictures of him. The second picture is from 02 again. I know no other person who has the most beautiful smile other than Michael himself. Look at him. That was definitely our angel at 02.
Thank you for your sweet words.I really appreciate your dedication towards Michael and I love you for it. I understand how much you want to convince me and everyone who doubts it's him at the O2. But sometimes sense and sensibility don't go well together. All the things you showed makes sense I know, but I can't ignore what I feel. I will try to explain it to you. Michael is a genius, worlds best dancer, when he sings I can hear his emotions, it gives me such a warm feeling but that's not the reason why I love him so much. It's his personality, the way he acts and treat people. His genuine concern about our earth, his love for everything that lives on earth especially the children. How he is still so humble while he is so good in everything he does and knows so much about many things.When I look at the O2 michael i miss his aura, I can't help it sorry.Please don't worry about it to much. Time will tell who is right.(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/Rafiboy_05/smileys/kissing.gif)
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I appreciate your concern Purelove, but I respectfully disagree. Check out the link below.
By the way, if any human being is on the cutting edge of any new technology, then we know that Michael is.
http://www.spfxmasks.com/testimonials.html (http://www.spfxmasks.com/testimonials.html)
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I appreciate your concern Purelove, but I respectfully disagree. Check out the link below.
By the way, if any human being is on the cutting edge of any new technology, then we know that Michael is.
http://www.spfxmasks.com/testimonials.html (http://www.spfxmasks.com/testimonials.html)
Masks can not give you the same shape of bones and skeleton structure. I already know those masks and I have to repeat once again, there is NO mask that gives you the look of a person exactly. That is only in the movie Mission Impossible and that is just FICTION!
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Thank you for your sweet words.I really appreciate your dedication towards Michael and I love you for it. I understand how much you want to convince me and everyone who doubts it's him at the O2. But sometimes sense and sensibility don't go well together. All the things you showed makes sense I know, but I can't ignore what I feel. I will try to explain it to you. Michael is a genius, worlds best dancer, when he sings I can hear his emotions, it gives me such a warm feeling but that's not the reason why I love him so much. It's his personality, the way he acts and treat people. His genuine concern about our earth, his love for everything that lives on earth especially the children. How he is still so humble while he is so good in everything he does and knows so much about many things.When I look at the O2 michael i miss his aura, I can't help it sorry.Please don't worry about it to much. Time will tell who is right.(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/Rafiboy_05/smileys/kissing.gif)
Well I'm not trying to convince anyone about 02 Michael. I'm just sharing my opinion about it which I believe it is the truth 100%. I can not make you see what I see or make you feel what I feel. I'm just saying that IF the lack of feeling you had was caused by Michael himself, then all of the fans would have felt the same. But some of them didn't feel anything wrong with him. You know what I'm saying? I felt nothing wrong. It was the Michael that I've been loving for the last 27 years.
Will time tell us who is right? Not so sure. Because probably Michael wanted to create a double theory for his safety especially after he returns. Nobody will be able to sure if that is Michael or a double when they see him, so that will be safer for him. I do not believe that there were doubles in TII like the family told and I do not believe someone else sang the songs in Michael album like the family told once again. This was just a trick that Michael wanted to create if you ask me. So even after he BAMs, I'm not so sure if he is going to explain that it was him at 02 or even more he can say that it was a double to confuse people more for his safety. But I'm 100% sure that it was Michael there. And the only way that I can believe that he was a double is, to see both of them at the same time and if I touch them both. :D
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I think Michael at O2 was overwhelmed so his attitude a bit unusual than we were used to. We know he's shy in public and it's been a while, even for Michael is not easy it's even harder for all the pressure and high expectations from him. Michael's fans are very pretentious because they are used to be offered the maximum standard of his genious. And i guess he knows that. So yes, he was emotionally overwhelmed before the comeback show concerts started and maybe acted unusual that day when meeting his fans, but that's because he always cared, loved and tried to give them his best. And it was our turn, he needed us to be there for him. I'm not sure if saying it was not him helps.