Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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MJ Autopsy Photos ALLOWED In Dr. Murray Trial
28 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
The judge in the Conrad Murray involuntary manslaughter case has allowed prosecutors to present TWO photos taken at Michael Jackson's autopsy to be used as evidence at trial.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/21/0421-mj-bn-ambulance.jpg)
TMZ has learned ... one of the photos shows the pop star clothed -- while laid out on a gurney.
The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
The judge ruled the photos are relevant under the evidence code -- and are "not gruesome, graphic or inflammatory."
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/21/michael-jackson-autopsy-photos-naked-gurney-dr-conrad-murray/
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ohh didnt think they were going to do that.... but still I want to see them, just to see what they are going to show.... :o
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Oh well, seems it's down for the count. Here we go. Do or die. Michael, I will always love you more.
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I am assuming by showing these 2 pictures they are trying to prove or disprove that Michael when unclothed was emaciated as reported during This Is It by some folk. What else will those 2 pictures prove? :?
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Exactly! Nothing! Esp the clothed one. Clothed??? Wasn't there talk of him not having clothes in the autopsy report?
This is such...bs- tried to find a better expression, but there is none!
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
!!!!! The face!!!! :lol:
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That has to see the photo of the ambulance with the news :?: 8-)
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Interesting choice of photo to go with this article - isn't that the moment the infamous ambulance photo is 'supposed' to have been taken? Sorry, is that what you meant paula-c?
Yes, I thought of 'the face' too!
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That has to see the photo of the ambulance with the news :?: 8-)
Then possibly the are trying to prove the person clothed is not the one unclothed. 8-) The unrecognizable old man was unrecognizable because indeed he was not Michael.
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
!!!!! The face!!!! :lol:
Good catch. But if serious, I think the face must be open for jury to believe that is MJ's body. Although if it was MJ looklike, then they will not figure that out anyway without fingerprints.
What a shit though. I have to make sure be there.
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
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~Souza~ wrote:
The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming!
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
and photos will be?, .. those of the frail old man has nothing to do with the photo of the ambulance? 8-)
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Not sure if this has been brought up in the whole "Death Hoax" theory but since they are allowing pictures for the Dr.Murray trail then how would the courts authenticate those photos. If in fact Michael did fake his death (which i am a firm believer that he did) then how did he get an actual body for the autopsy? And if in fact the body is supposed to be a dummy or wax then that would mean that the sheriff coroner would be in on the hoax too? And if the body was "Real" who's body was it? Where did it come from?
Too many questions! I'm just trying to get these things out there so someone can explain things to me a little bit better. Still a little new to this game. Curiouser and Curiouser...
L.O.V.E.
Penny Lane
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
"Your" comment intrigues my Souza....tell me, what are YOU thinking???
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
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Hey Souza, How could this picture be the work of TS, unless TS works for TMZ, or TS is Michael?? ;)
Also, Have we seen this particular ambulance pic before??
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
"Your" comment intrigues my Souza....tell me, what are YOU thinking???
It's not going to be his face... it will be the genitials that will be blocked out.
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
"Your" comment intrigues my Souza....tell me, what are YOU thinking???
It's not going to be his face... it will be the genitials that will be blocked out.
And we've got ourselves a winner! :lol:
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
"Your" comment intrigues my Souza....tell me, what are YOU thinking???
It's not going to be his face... it will be the genitials that will be blocked out.
And we've got ourselves a winner! :lol:
surely all of these serious hoax investigators were not going to be waiting with gold pants warning anticipation :shock: :o :lol:
but seriously what do they want to show in the photos as far as evidence? if murry doesn't want them then it has to be as someone pointed out severe weight issues or the needle marks or the iv placement in the leg , right? provided of course it is the real thing ;)
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Jackson to be seen in life and death
Associated Press - 55 minutes ago
Story photo: Jackson to be seen in life and deathFILE - In this Jan. 25, 2011 file photo, Dr. Conrad Murray, singer Michael Jacksons personal physician, appears in Los Angeles Superior Court where Murray pleaded not guilty to a charge of involuntary manslaughter in the pop stars 2009 death. A has ruled that rehearsal footage from 'This Is It' can be shown during Murray's manslaughter trial. (AP Photo/Irfan Khan, File)Associated Press
LOS ANGELES - Images of Michael Jackson in life and death will be seen at his doctor's involuntary manslaughter trial, a judge ruled Thursday, after a prosecutor promised restraint while using autopsy photos to be sensitive to Jackson family members expected to be in court.
Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor also said he will allow prosecutors to screen segments of the concert movie "This Is It" for jurors in highly redacted form to show the pop star's mental and physical state in the days before his death.
"I don't think this should be entertainment," the judge said. "We should not feel deprived of our 99-cent iTunes if we don't hear the whole song."
Pastor said only two autopsy photos will be allowed of Jackson's body laid out a coroner's examining table.
In one image, the singer is swathed in a hospital gown. In the other, he is nude, with portions of his anatomy obscured, prosecutors said.
"Although they are tragic, they are not gruesome or gory," Deputy District Attorney David Walgren.
The defense had asked to bar autopsy photos, saying the images would inflame the passions of the jury.
Walgren, however, was adamant about the need to show Jackson's physical condition to bolster the prosecution claim that Jackson was healthy overall.
"This is a homicide and we can't pretend it's not a homicide," Walgren said.
The judge agreed the photos were needed. He recalled testimony from the preliminary hearing in which witnesses said Jackson was exceedingly thin and one witness described him as looking like a hospice patient.
Walgren said he was aware that Jackson's family would be in court and said the pictures will be carefully displayed. When he showed them to Pastor, the judge found they were not graphic or gruesome, as the defense contended.
The prosecutor said the images will bolster the contention that the singer was healthy and that it was a combination of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives that killed him..
Regarding the video footage, Pastor said only relevant portions of Jackson's performance on "Earth Song" and "The Way You Make Me Feel" can be shown to jurors.
"Earth Song" is a colorful tribute to the environment that prosecutors say was the last piece Jackson recorded the day before he died.
"What's admitted will be Michael Jackson singing. What will not be received will be a picture of a cute little girl and orcas and flower and fauna," the judge said.
Defense attorney Edward Chernoff objected to showing the film footage, claiming it was edited to present Jackson in the best light.
Pastor said prosecutors can only show footage from Jackson's rehearsals on the two days before his death on June 25, 2009.
Murray, a Houston-based cardiologist, has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Authorities have accused him of giving Jackson a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol in the bedroom of his rented mansion.
Murray's attorneys have suggested in recent months that the singer may have given himself the fatal dose.
In other rulings, Pastor said:
Prosecutors can have several of Murray's mistresses testify during the trial, but some salacious details should be omitted. For instance, Pastor said he didn't want to hear any references to the strip clubs where Murray met some of them.
Prosecutors cannot refer to Murray's child support issues or how many children he has.
Defense attorneys cannot probe Jackson's financial condition, saying it would turn the trial into "a slug fest which inflames the jury and has no end." The defense has claimed Jackson was despondent over debts.
Ruled out the use of statements made by Murray to his forensic experts in which he appeared to change some of the details previously given to police about Jackson's treatment.
The judge said experts cannot act as "parrots" to get hearsay statements of the defendant before the jury.
The prosecution suggested if Murray wants to tell his story, he should do it from the witness stand.
Opening statements were scheduled for May 9.
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I don't think we should be surprised if they will show pictures though. Fans know how he looks like. He has unique features like his belly button, the 'bump' on his wrist, probably a scar from that wound on his leg etc. All they have to show is a picture of a body with an inner belly button and POOF, the non-believers might wake up.
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In one image, the singer is swathed in a hospital gown. In the other, he is nude, with portions of his anatomy obscured, prosecutors said.
Ok, so that explains the clothing issue then.
Also.. this states "portions of anatomy" which suggest more than one area... so it could be genitals AND face area that are obscured, as i cannot think of any other areas that would be thought required to blank out.
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In one image, the singer is swathed in a hospital gown. In the other, he is nude, with portions of his anatomy obscured, prosecutors said.
Ok, so that explains the clothing issue then.
Also.. this states "portions of anatomy" which suggest more than one area... so it could be genitals AND face area that are obscured, as i cannot think of any other areas that would be thought required to blank out.
They HAVE to blank out the face because that would be a dead give away. Unless they made a dead MJ with wax.
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EJacobs (justice4mj) has been tweeting about the hearings today saying the judge is very fair and is not allowing hardly any of Murray’s testimony from last month. A win for the prosecution. Says the autopsy photos were shown to the judge but they did not view them. A dismal loss for the defense.
update: this is her last tweet:
They will be playing rehearsal footage of Earth Song from June 24, 2009 to Jury to show how Michael was just hours before his death. :( DA, contends he was a man who had much to live for, we agree!
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so with the family being there on a general basis do they like cover say the chest where they would do the cutting? reason i ask is that michael still seemingly had that one place there where the pigmentation was still dark. so i wonder if that area would be covered.
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Question: who's body is going to be shown- Michael's looklike who died as MJ, or any body that has same parameters?
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Question: who's body is going to be shown- Michael's looklike who died as MJ, or any body that has same parameters?
Which of these options do YOU think?
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Would you be prepared to see a full body (include face) photo of Michael dead on an autopsy table? Of course we will make a thousand reviews and check the corpse, piece by piece I also know that we will believe that Michael is a doll. And if we do not see any picture, how will we know if they exist and what they hide? So once again we are left without answers and with no certainty of anything! But what is more important, the focus being given to the possibility of appearance of these photos (though seja just a possibility), would be totally out of context of the hoax, even being only TMZ false alarm or justice. Many fans will suffer again . My question is: Michael would do this , two years after his death false? Or he has totally lost control of this history.
Besides, why to show pictures "false"if he is coming back soon? Or simply he is not coming back, as we think? And if he does not, how will we know that this is a hoax? :?
Do not want to be pessimistic, but for me, not many things are coming together and I think we have to consider all possibilities. Of course I'll keep watching, but this story really scares me and it's worse to think that if these pictures exist (true or false), several people have had access to them. Autopsy photos are too sad, though not bloody, as prosecutors said, still do not think that is something that should play.
I do not know if I'm being consistent, maybe I'm just a little tired! :(
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They have to block out his genitals....because if they don't, the fans will recognise from his "willy" that it is not Michael at all........He has a rather large "willy" from what I've seen...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Secondly, I agree totally with all of you. How can he be clothed???? He was shirtless in the ambulance, so who dressed him again. ?? Did they use that "bloody shirt" found in the wardrobe???
The pic is the one I posted to prove that Ben is totally busllshitting us with his story....
Both Ben and Chris are seen taking pictures as the ambo is driving off. But in the far shot, it is only Ben.... :lol: You can make it yourself by wathcing the TMZ video and pausing it at that spot..
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They have to block out his genitals....because if they don't, the fans will recognise from his "willy" that it is not Michael at all........He has a rather large "willy" from what I've seen...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:? :? :arrow: :|
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PS sorry Souza if I offended anyone, but of course they have to black out his genitals.
This is the video TMZ got the pic from.....and this is the same pic I took from it.
http://www.wat.tv/video/michael-jackson ... exyf_.html (http://www.wat.tv/video/michael-jackson-ambulance-1lnmx_2exyf_.html)
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
"Your" comment intrigues my Souza....tell me, what are YOU thinking???
It's not going to be his face... it will be the genitials that will be blocked out.
And we've got ourselves a winner! :lol:
Apparently he had a beauty mark on his penis, this is what has been said when there was the molestation trial. So if they cover that part how do we really know it is Michael? This is all a game, so please do not give up hope. Blessings.
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They have to block out his genitals....because if they don't, the fans will recognise from his "willy" that it is not Michael at all........He has a rather large "willy" from what I've seen...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Secondly, I agree totally with all of you. How can he be clothed???? He was shirtless in the ambulance, so who dressed him again. ?? Did they use that "bloody shirt" found in the wardrobe???
The pic is the one I posted to prove that Ben is totally busllshitting us with his story....
Both Ben and Chris are seen taking pictures as the ambo is driving off. But in the far shot, it is only Ben.... :lol: You can make it yourself by wathcing the TMZ video and pausing it at that spot..
YOU ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE SEEN MICHAEL WILLY.... I WISH I COULD HAVE SEEN IT TOO. I HEARD HE HAD A BEAUTY SPOT ON HIS WILLY.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Some of you must be joking... "You are lucky to have seen MJ's penis" and I wish I had seen it"???
Seems like after 2 years it's still all about the crotch. Mike, wherever you are: stay there!
*smh*
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Discovery Channel cancels Michael Jackson autopsy re-enactment doc
Feb 12, 2011 08:46PM
TMZ.com reported Friday that the Discovery Channel has nixed plans to air a TV special featuring a re-enactment of Michael Jackson’s autopsy.
A rep for the station, which planned to run the special in the UK, reportedly told the website: “Given the commencement of legal proceedings beginning next week, and at the request of Michael Jackson’s estate, the scheduled broadcast of the medical documentary related to Michael Jackson’s official autopsy has been postponed indefinitely.”
In a letter to the network, Jackson’s estate had vehemently opposed the show.
So I'm sure there would be false footage sitting somewhere that could be used as photos.. Just a thought.
And no, I havent seen his penis, but Ive seen the shape of it through his trousers. :P :P
Remember how the Jury selection was very "secure", and none of them would be Jackson fans of course, then I believe that those in the Jury would not know the difference.
And yes Souza, I thought about that too. The freckle on his penis..!!
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Some of you must be joking... "You are lucky to have seen MJ's penis" and I wish I had seen it"???
Seems like after 2 years it's still all about the crotch. Mike, wherever you are: stay there!
*smh*
Yeah he might get raped... he should stay away.. :lol:
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Yeah, you are all right. Let's forget about his important message he has been trying to get out for people to understand and let's all focus on his penis because of course that is what is important... I bet many fans wouldn't recognize MJ if he slapped them in the face, but of course his crotch will be a dead give-away. :?
I'm outta here before I am going to say things some might not appreciate. Have a ball y'all.
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All of this makes me think about the infamous "MJ jumping out of coroner's van" video. Sorry, I believe it was indeed MJ in that vid. I know about the German station claiming it was their staged video and I saw the "making of" documentary they released. Still didn't convince me that it was all a fake. So many things didn't add up between the original and the staged version.
A trip to the coroner's was necessary. Why? For staged autopsy photos and fingerprinting. 8-) The autopsy photos that will be presented at trial may be actual pic's of MJ, but NOT a deceased MJ. After all, he really is a perfectionist, isn't he? :)
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come to think of it , if there was a body and someone suggested that the person wasn't recognizable that the police dept. would have compared the new pics with the old ones themselve wouldn't they ? surely they might themselves take into consideration that something of this nature could be in the works.
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So autopsy pictures from that documentary ages ago :lol: :lol: i just stick that, so, fake, stuff :D
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I don't think we should be surprised if they will show pictures though. Fans know how he looks like. He has unique features like his belly button, the 'bump' on his wrist, probably a scar from that wound on his leg etc. All they have to show is a picture of a body with an inner belly button and POOF, the non-believers might wake up.
If they show a pic, and that's if, this is likely what we will see.
The clues are getting more obvious now. Slowly and progressively.
Broken syringe under the bed? Where it rolled? You mean the bed sitting directly on the floor of course. Here, *insert "death bed pic" remember?
Non-believers don't see these things because they assume the information is right and they are interpreting it wrong (misunderstanding). The media has strong subconscious control. I hope they start to see that they aren't misunderstanding... the information really doesn't make sense.
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Ya so I think the "dead body" needs to be seen before Michael comes back. Force the images on the audience (the whole world) and "humiliate" Michael once again, only this time Michael's the one in control.
Thriller 2, right? BACK from the dead and stuff. Give the audience every possible element for the greatest movie/experience ever.
Could be a dummy shown, or maybe autopsy pics that the FBI had from a previous death perhaps not even linked to the hoax at all. They wouldn't necessarily have to show his face either. Or maybe the "face" will look like the leaf-pattern face! And it will all come full circle.
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Question: who's body is going to be shown- Michael's looklike who died as MJ, or any body that has same parameters?
Which of these options do YOU think?
Michael's look alike
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You know, Souza just brought up the tour bus and all the tourists, and was posing the rhetorical question: how come we have no tourist pics of the ambulance coming out of Carrolwood, in the TIAI April 11th thread. She said it yesterday.
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Pictures of Michael's body showing his penis? Where has that happened before? Six years ago maybe? :| This trial resembles Michael's more every day.
And It actually makes me sad to think that you people are joking about his "willy"... It just brings the crediability of this site down. :?
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If I was admin I would use a thread like this to help do some house cleaning. To those who resemble this remark: grow up or go to the other forum.
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Pictures of Michael's body showing his penis? Where has that happened before? Six years ago maybe? :| This trial resembles Michael's more every day.
And It actually makes me sad to think that you people are joking about his "willy"... It just brings the crediability of this site down. :?
That was my first thought as well. But wasn't it '93 when those photos were taken and MJ was made vulnerable and humiliated beyond comprehension. My thought is he was being shown by the powers that be what they were capable of. They may have thought they had broken him then, but not so. There are so many similarities in this that seem to align with the trial.
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If I was admin I would use a thread like this to help do some house cleaning. To those who resemble this remark: grow up or go to the other forum.
Willy is the Australian slang for penis....and that was mentioned by most of you. I don't need to grow up.!!! I was trying to be polite.
When an article is brought up mentioning that certain parts will be blacked out, what are they talking about then??? His feet.?? NO. This story is all about his PENIS not being shown, and if that makes me a "child" then excuse me..
Its you guys, the fans, that first introduced me to the size of his PENIS. Not me. Its you guys, the fans that keep talking about "How beautiful he is in this picture; not me.
So please don't judge me before you have walked in my shoes. Infact, if the shoe doesnt fit...don't wear it. I never was a Michael Jackson fan before the 25th June, and therefore had no idea about his anatomy before then.....and you guys posted all about it and have pictures of the "Gold Pants" to prove it....so thats how I learned about it...
I dont really care about his physical attributes, but that's what we are here for. Ripping him apart for the sake of the hoax...His chin, his hairline, his dimple, his eyes, his fingers, his scars, his feet etc.... He has been humiliated enough during this investigation. And its all for the sake of finding obvious clues...that's all.
Now back to the investigating...and lay of personal attacks please..God bless.
http://news.findlaw.com/court_tv/s/2005 ... 70437.html (http://news.findlaw.com/court_tv/s/20050527/27may2005170437.html)
Judge: Jurors will not see images of Michael Jackson's penis
By Lisa Sweetingham, Court TV
SANTA MARIA, Calif. (Court TV) — The judge in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial ruled Thursday against giving jurors a peek at images of the King of Pop's private parts.
"I'm going to deny the request to bring in the evidence of the blemished penis," Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville announced during a hearing Thursday morning outside the presence of jurors.
The evidence included photographs of Jackson's anatomy shot during a search warrant in 1993, when the entertainer was facing allegations that he molested former Neverland sleepover guest Jordie Chandler.
Chandler was 13 years old — the same age as Jackson's current accuser — when he claimed in an affidavit that Jackson sexually molested him.
The distinctive blemish was not described in open court Thursday, but Chandler gave investigators details more than a decade ago about his intimate knowledge of the "splotches" on the singer's buttocks and a lighter one on his penis. He also drew pictures.
Jackson has publicly stated that he suffers from the skin condition vitiligo, a pigmentation disorder that causes white patches of skin to appear on different parts of the body.
Prosecutors hoped to introduce the evidence during their rebuttal case to show that the entertainer was neither shy nor modest with the boys he allegedly molested, including his current accuser — a cancer survivor he is accused of committing lewd acts on in spring of 2003.
"The fact that [Chandler] was able to give a description of a unique feature of his anatomy that could not have been known by him except for a very intimate acquaintance with Mr. Jackson is very good circumstantial evidence of the fact that the relationship between he and at least that child was something more than casual and something more than innocent," prosecutor Ronald Zonen argued.
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The Strip Search
December 1993, Jackson was served with a warrant for a strip search of his body, as police wanted to verify Jordan Chandler's description of Jackson's genitals, and details of patches of vitiligo, an illness Jackson was diagnosed with in the mid 1980s, on his body. The order stated that officers were to examine, photograph and videotape Jackson's entire body, "including his penis, anus, hips, buttocks and any other part of his body". The warrant stated that refusal to comply would be used in court as a possible indication of guilt. The strip search took place on December 20 at the entertainer's ranch. Those present for the prosecution were District Attorney Tom Sneddon, a detective, a photographer and a doctor. Those present on behalf of Jackson were his two attorneys, a physician, a detective, a bodyguard and a photographer. The attorneys and Sneddon agreed to leave the room when the examination took place, and Jackson demanded that the prosecution detective should also leave, which he subsequently did. In an emotional state, Jackson stood on a platform in the middle of the room, took off all his clothes and was examined for approximately 25 minutes, although he was never physically touched. The search report concluded that there were some strong similarities between Chandler's description and Jackson's body, but there wasn't a definite match. Included in the inconsistencies was an inaccurate claim of circumcision.
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
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Seriously? oh lord...
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you guys think it's the face? Keep on dreaming! :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what's with that picture? Your work TS? Is there something in this pic that could help us out?
:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
What is it you want to say with that? Did that comment of mine tell people to start talking about his crotch as an object of lust? Or do you think I might have thought it was a little naive of people to think that they meant his face with "certain parts blocked out"?
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The Strip Search
December 1993, Jackson was served with a warrant for a strip search of his body, as police wanted to verify Jordan Chandler's description of Jackson's genitals, and details of patches of vitiligo, an illness Jackson was diagnosed with in the mid 1980s, on his body. The order stated that officers were to examine, photograph and videotape Jackson's entire body, "including his penis, anus, hips, buttocks and any other part of his body".
The search report concluded that there were some strong similarities between Chandler's description and Jackson's body, but there wasn't a definite match. Included in the inconsistencies was an inaccurate claim of circumcision.
I thought that happened during 2005 case? Though, I remember I've read 2005 testimonies there were similar story.
If there was inaccurate claim of circumcision, why Michael agreed to settle the case???????? That was enough to go trial that time and win, and no second extortion attempt would took place.
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I agree that the pics could be either from the documentary look-a-like, or MJ himself after jumping out of the van.
Thank you 2good2btrue, for posting those bits of the 93 and 2005 trial parallels. I remember reading about the humiliating examination/photography of his privates in Randy Taborelli's book. It wasn't just the examination which is something everyone has to do from time to time for a doctor (especially if you've given birth), but turning your beautiful sexuality that is an aspect of the whole person's appeal to the opposite sex (he is a healthy hetersexual male) and completely degrading his image by saying he used these parts to hurt a child, one of the lowest crimes. Even in a prison, sexual crimes to a child would be the lowest and would bring out physical punishment from other prisoners I've heard.
We love this man because he has bared his heart and soul to us and the world, made himself completely vulnerable and weak (dead), become the butt of the worst jokes, accusations and hatred. He can't go any lower, and yet God will raise him up (from "death") and in honor once again worldwide, I believe. :)
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"His blood is overdosed with another stuff.
It's called testosterone" :mrgreen:
I've always liked this because I think it is true.
Some people might not like it but MJ spreads not only love, but also a huge (unexplainable) amount of sexual energy
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This Autopsy picture thing is a really HUGE deal.....
We need to go into more detail about the actual pictures themselves. Not necessarily so much what is shown in the pictures. Who's actual body is in the photo? I can't imagine the the courts of law would use fake pictures in a manslaughter trial. I want to know what the authenticity process for the pictures are?
We need to find out WHO is in the photo, if it actually IS Michael then there goes the whole death hoax!
And if it is NOT Michael then it practically PROVES that Michael IS ALIVE! And that would be some big frickin news! That is what I am interested in finding out....the actual proof that Michael is Alive.
I'm just mega stoked at how big this is. Gotta find out more about the autopsy photos.
In Wonderland.... :shock:
L.O.V.E.
Penny Lane
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I just feel I need to clear up something. I was one of the first to say 'the face' would be covered. I said it in jest. My thinking was it wasn't him dead on the slab so how could they show his face? I never meant it to mean I wanted 'other parts' to be shown. If people took it to mean that it's a total misunderstanding. Just wanted to make that clear.
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"His blood is overdosed with another stuff.
It's called testosterone" :mrgreen:
I've always liked this because I think it is true.
Some people might not like it but MJ spreads not only love, but also a huge (unexplainable) amount of sexual energy
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It has nothing to do with LIKE, it's not what we're here for. And I really don't think MJ would appreciate it if his dick becomes the main focus in his brilliantly planned hoax to save the little bit of decency we have left in this world.
Comments like this make the members of this forum look like a bunch of sexually frustrated desperate housewives. There are other forums for that.
@curls, it's not your comments I am refering to, no worries. I am addressing the ones that feel the need to make MJ's private parts a point of discussion as if it's a public asset.
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"His blood is overdosed with another stuff.
It's called testosterone" :mrgreen:
I've always liked this because I think it is true.
Some people might not like it but MJ spreads not only love, but also a huge (unexplainable) amount of sexual energy
'
It has nothing to do with LIKE, it's not what we're here for. And I really don't think MJ would appreciate it if his dick becomes the main focus in his brilliantly planned hoax to save the little bit of decency we have left in this world.
Comments like this make the members of this forum look like a bunch of sexually frustrated desperate housewives. There are other forums for that.
@curls, it's not your comments I am refering to, no worries. I am addressing the ones that feel the need to make MJ's private parts a point of discussion as if it's a public asset.
But it's nothing wrong in having his blood filled with it !!
Actually it's pretty cool if you ask me :mrgreen: .
Denying it has no point because it is an important part of WHO he is.
I don't think "his dick" will become the main focus in the hoax.
At least not for me
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The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
!!!!! The face!!!! :lol:
Paula I first thought of the face. I hoped it was the face so we can go on hoping it was not Michael on the autopsy table.
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A report of MJ stripped and "dead" for the jury, the day before Good Friday when it is remembered that Jesus was on the cross stripped and dead. Hmm...
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Seriously? oh lord...
I absoutely LOVE LOVE your avatar
As far as them showing MJ's autopsy photo...I don't see what good it will do, only for non believers...I would guess.
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MJ Autopsy Photos ALLOWED In Dr. Murray Trial
28 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
The judge in the Conrad Murray involuntary manslaughter case has allowed prosecutors to present TWO photos taken at Michael Jackson's autopsy to be used as evidence at trial.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/21/0421-mj-bn-ambulance.jpg)
TMZ has learned ... one of the photos shows the pop star clothed -- while laid out on a gurney.
The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
The judge ruled the photos are relevant under the evidence code -- and are "not gruesome, graphic or inflammatory."
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/21/michael-jackson-autopsy-photos-naked-gurney-dr-conrad-murray/
Hmmm Tmz spot the.... ;)
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If I was admin I would use a thread like this to help do some house cleaning. To those who resemble this remark: grow up or go to the other forum.
100% agree, bec.
Some remarks are disgusting even if only thought and not spoken, to be very clear.
Having to read them is even worse because that means those thinking and speaking like that have chosen to manifest it in writing.
Would you like your "..." to be object of other folks' laughter, mockery and fun?
A call for self-discipline is due IMO.
Aside from enough reasons to not be hurting Michael here, we do have minors abord.
Mind this and leave these utterances in your head only where they at least do not disturb others and harm only your mind. Thank you. :|
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If I was admin I would use a thread like this to help do some house cleaning. To those who resemble this remark: grow up or go to the other forum.
100% agree, bec.
Some remarks are disgusting even if only thought and not spoken, to be very clear.
Having to read them is even worse because that means those thinking and speaking like that have chosen to manifest it in writing.
Would you like your "..." to be object of other folks' laughter, mockery and fun?
A call for self-discipline is due IMO.
Aside from enough reasons to not be hurting Michael here, we do have minors abord.
Mind this and leave these utterances in your head only where they at least do not disturb others and harm only your mind. Thank you. :|
I also agree.
I was surprised by this thread negative ..... :? :|
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"His blood is overdosed with another stuff.
It's called testosterone" :mrgreen:
I've always liked this because I think it is true.
Some people might not like it but MJ spreads not only love, but also a huge (unexplainable) amount of sexual energy
'
It has nothing to do with LIKE, it's not what we're here for. And I really don't think MJ would appreciate it if his dick becomes the main focus in his brilliantly planned hoax to save the little bit of decency we have left in this world.
Comments like this make the members of this forum look like a bunch of sexually frustrated desperate housewives. There are other forums for that.
@curls, it's not your comments I am refering to, no worries. I am addressing the ones that feel the need to make MJ's private parts a point of discussion as if it's a public asset.
Sadly agree Souza...can we PLEASE focus on the important aspects of everything that is occurring instead of the physical attraction that seems to permeate some minds?? I've always loved this site because there were serious discussions instead of endless panting and drooling. There is no denying that Michael is beautiful but there are truly more important topics on the immediate horizon.
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So they said they will only show TWO autopsy photos and the judge said it wasn't gruesome or graphic...if this happens to be a real body and not MJ's don't you think it is disrespectful to show it even if it as used as being MJ.
I was also wondering why TMZ chose to use the ambo photo...they could of just used a pic of MJ...which leads me to believe that it has to connect to the ambulance photo in some way...whether the body was MJ, a double, dummy, real corpse or nothing.
I think it must be a dummy...I don't think MJ would let people see the photo's if it was a double or a real corpse...because it is disrespectful to show...if MJ was really dead I think it would also be disrespectful to show the photos, so I feel it is a dummy.
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TMZ has learned ... one of the photos shows the pop star clothed -- while laid out on a gurney.
The AR mentioned that the body was naked. What gurney are they talking about?. I just can imagine pics when MJ needed to show himself back in 93.
The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
This looks to me like either pics from 93 or pics from the AR, but assuming that MJ is alive, this pics can be from 93. Also the term "autopsy" derives from the Ancient Greek autopsia, "to see for oneself" so we can be talking still about a living person.
Who knows if MJ sued the authorities for psychological trauma after those allegations and pics taken and that´s why the court situation is happening.
Also, this kind of demands about pics is making me think once again about the "MJ evil double". I am of the opinion that there is a possibility that a "MJ evil double" took advantages of MJ looks and fooled many people, From women, authorities to all kind of fans, including kids.
The "real" MJ would may be have secret body/ birth marks that would identify him towards the impersonator/ double.
I doubt MJ killed himself and I doubt Murray killed MJ. This situation looks to me like chapter regarding the past accusations that needed to be closed since way back and Michael wants to closed it forever.
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Apparently he had a beauty mark on his penis, this is what has been said when there was the molestation trial. So if they cover that part how do we really know it is Michael? This is all a game, so please do not give up hope. Blessings.
This explains also my previous thought. That beauty mark is personal and only MJ has it. Beauty marks are used to id a body.
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What I don't understand is even IF there are real pictures, one of him dressed, and one undressed, then the only one of importance is the undressed one...
But it would be very inaccurate, because alot of work was done on the body to revive it, therefore,extra needle marks and bruises will be seen.
That would not paint the real picture and not accurate evidence..
Why wouldn't the coroners report be sufficient in court??
I think there is a secret agenda going on here... ;) ;)
And does anyone know for sure, that MJ wore wigs and was bald underneath??
The other question I have is "Would MJ sleep with his wig on ???
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Um, but you guys are missing the main point. The article states that the pics are ALLOWED in
capital letters. Who allowed this??? Michael???
I think MICHAEL wants the jurors to see the pics so that they will
go "WAIT, Those pics of a man, dead on a gurney are not Michael Jackson at all!!!"
Then, a new controversy can brew. "WHO IS THE MAN IN THE AUTOPSY PICS??"
@2 good, I agree about a secret agenda and Michael is behind it!!
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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MJ Autopsy Photos ALLOWED In Dr. Murray Trial
ALL OWED ??
all
— determiner
1. a. the whole quantity or amount of; totality of; every one of a class
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/all (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/all)
owe
v. owed, ow·ing, owes
1. To be indebted to the amount of: He owes me five dollars.
2. To have a moral obligation to render or offer: I owe them an apology.
3. To be in debt to: We owe the plumber for services rendered.
4. To be indebted or obliged for: owed their riches to oil; owes her good health to diet and exercise.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/owed (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/owed)
indebted
adjective
grateful, obliged, in debt, obligated, beholden, under an obligation: I am deeply indebted to him for his help.
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:lol: :lol: “dick" :lol: :lol: I love it when we grow up and learn to talk dirty. It shows a certain move bitch get out the way mentality :lol: :lol:
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Well, the "allowed" was probably based on the ruling of the judge who had to make a determination and thereby allowed what was to be used and what wasn't. There was a motion as the defense had objected.
I was thinking: I don't know why some people (not here as much as other places are flipping out). A) we still don't need a dead body- a corpse is WAY easier to fake than a living human being. So, a good model would really do- esp in pictures.
or.. B) Who is to say that Michael did not supply the pics himself. Meaning he 'played dead'- I think this is a little less likely due to the fact that one will be shown naked, but it's possible.
The family certainly seemed much less outgraged and offended than some fans yesterday. Jermaine tweeted back to me that it is necessary for the pursuit of justice when I asked how the family felt. So, they are taking it in stride. Of course, they are on the "in" and know what's going on.
Nice catch, btw re the naked and stripped quote and it being Good Friday!
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/21/0421-mj-bn-ambulance.jpg)
Ok now I'm seeing 777 at the top middle of the back of the ambulance. :? I never noticed that before, although I can now also see it some of the attached photos also in this thread.
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"His blood is overdosed with another stuff.
It's called testosterone" :mrgreen:
I've always liked this because I think it is true.
Some people might not like it but MJ spreads not only love, but also a huge (unexplainable) amount of sexual energy
'
It has nothing to do with LIKE, it's not what we're here for. And I really don't think MJ would appreciate it if his dick becomes the main focus in his brilliantly planned hoax to save the little bit of decency we have left in this world.
Comments like this make the members of this forum look like a bunch of sexually frustrated desperate housewives. There are other forums for that.
@curls, it's not your comments I am refering to, no worries. I am addressing the ones that feel the need to make MJ's private parts a point of discussion as if it's a public asset.
Well Souza let's not go that far. I also posted that he had a beauty mark on his Penis, this was stated in the molestation case. So if they don't hide that part we can see if it isMichael or not. Simple as that. I think most were jokes. Sorry if this has offended anyone.blessings.
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Apparently he had a beauty mark on his penis, this is what has been said when there was the molestation trial. So if they cover that part how do we really know it is Michael? This is all a game, so please do not give up hope. Blessings.
This explains also my previous thought. That beauty mark is personal and only MJ has it. Beauty marks are used to id a body.
You got it Gema
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GINAFELICIA wrote:
paula-c wrote:
The other photo shows Jackson's naked body -- but the judge explained "certain parts" will be "blocked out." He didn't explain which parts.
!!!!! The face!!!!
Paula I first thought of the face. I hoped it was the face so we can go on hoping it was not Michael on the autopsy table.
I am convinced that he is alive
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"And if you wanna see eccentric oddities, I'll be grotesque before your eyes, let them all materialize! Is that scary for you baby?"
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A report of MJ stripped and "dead" for the jury, the day before Good Friday when it is remembered that Jesus was on the cross stripped and dead. Hmm...
humm again we have that paralel. didn't we read somewhere that michael dreamed of being a story teller? ;)
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I read all of the posts but nobody mentioned this. They will show someone's autopsy pictures at the trial and to me this means that there was a real body that was used in the ambulance and for the autopsy. I do not think that they will be showing some random person's autopsy but I think they will be explaining what the picture is about. So I think the dead person's body needs to be related with the way MJ "died". I do not think that they will show the face and the belly button doesn't prove anything as many people have the same belly button like Michael. But probably they chose someone whose belly button is different and they could use it for the ones who are still sleeping. Let's wait and see.
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question , even if the jury sees pics that doesn't mean they are going to be shown to the general public does it? and the jury is supposed to not have a lot of pre-concieved notions about any of this. so i am not sure what is the point of showing them pictures. the only thing i can think is they are supposed to determine if a person could reach the place to put the injection . and perhaps is this a healthy looking body.
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Here is the CNN article about the photos:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/cal ... tml?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/california.conrad.murray.autopsy/index.html?hpt=T2)
(CNN) -- California Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ruled Thursday that two autopsy photos of Michael Jackson can be submitted as evidence during the upcoming trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, a person inside the courtroom told CNN.
Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter. Authorities allege that he gave Jackson propofol, a surgical anesthetic drug, that combined with several sedatives found in his blood to kill the singer on June 25, 2009, the Los Angeles County coroner has said.
Jury selection in Murray's trial began last month and will continue into early May. Opening statements and testimony are scheduled to begin May 9.
Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley and his team had filed a motion Tuesday to allow jurors to see the photos, arguing that California courts "permit (prosecutors) to admit autopsy photographs, as they are relevant, (that) will illustrate the testimony of witnesses and will enhance the jury's understanding of the prosecution's case." The photographs will be "properly redacted as deemed appropriate," the prosecution said.
"These limited photographs will help demonstrate that Michael Jackson was generally in excellent health and that, while thin, his body weight was within the normal range," the prosecution said in its motion, adding that the medical examiner and other experts may reference the autopsy photos during the trial.
The defense has argued that Jackson self-administered the propofol in a desperate attempt to get sleep before a rehearsal.
Murray told investigators he was trying to wean Jackson off propofol in the last days of his life, but that he used it along with other drugs to help the pop star sleep that last morning.
The defense claims that the singer's dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, injected Jackson with powerful painkillers dozens of times in the last months of his life, unknown to Murray.
The Medical Board of California and Los Angeles County coroner investigated Klein after Jackson's death, but he was never charged, and no action was taken to revoke his medical license.
Earlier this month, Michael Jackson's dermatologist was ordered to give copies of the pop star's medical records to Murray's attorneys.
Defense attorney Ed Chernoff argued he needed the financial and medical information to make the case that Jackson, who he said was "a desperate man in many respects," gave himself the fatal dose of surgical anesthesia while the doctor was not watching.
Judge Pastor did not order estate executors to give the defense detailed financial information about money the singer owed when he died. But he did say that Jackson's former business manager, Tohme Tohme, must testify in Murray's trial.
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I read all of the posts but nobody mentioned this. They will show someone's autopsy pictures at the trial and to me this means that there was a real body that was used in the ambulance and for the autopsy. I do not think that they will be showing some random person's autopsy but I think they will be explaining what the picture is about. So I think the dead person's body needs to be related with the way MJ "died". I do not think that they will show the face and the belly button doesn't prove anything as many people have the same belly button like Michael. But probably they chose someone whose belly button is different and they could use it for the ones who are still sleeping. Let's wait and see.
Not necessarily:
au·top·sy
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noun, plural -sies, verb, -sied, -sy·ing.
–noun
1.
inspection and dissection of a body after death, as for determination of the cause of death; postmortem examination.
2.
an analysis of something after it has been done or made.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/autopsy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/autopsy)
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So, the trial does begin on May 9th. :?
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/cal ... tml?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/california.conrad.murray.autopsy/index.html?hpt=T2)
http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-j ... 1322.story (http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-jackson-doctor-trial-jury-selection-1005091322.story#/news/michael-jackson-doctor-trial-jury-selection-1005091322.story)
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question , even if the jury sees pics that doesn't mean they are going to be shown to the general public does it? and the jury is supposed to not have a lot of pre-concieved notions about any of this. so i am not sure what is the point of showing them pictures. the only thing i can think is they are supposed to determine if a person could reach the place to put the injection . and perhaps is this a healthy looking body.
I was going to ask the same question too. Will the general public get to see those pics.?
I don't think so. It is only used as court evidence and the just the jury will see them if it's needed.
The case will be televised, but I believe there are some things that are better left in the courtroom..
No doubt, TMZ will find a way to leak them.
Remember their story about Katherine Jackson wanting to "stop autopsy pictures of MJ being leaked" ??? So apparently, those pictures (real or not) did exist way back.
13 May 2010
Katherine Jackson Wants Autopsy Images Kept Private
MICHAEL JACKSON's mother KATHERINE has been left devastated by the prospect of the media publishing a series of graphic photos taken during the King of Pop's autopsy.
Officials at the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) and the Los Angeles District Attorney's office are in possession of the images, which were detailed in the coroner's report of the singer's death.
But the Jackson family matriarch fears the photos will fall into the wrong hands and end up on the internet and splashed across publications around the world.
A source tells the National Enquirer, "There are genuine fears the pictures could be leaked or that computer hackers could get to them - and the LAPD and District Attorney's office are taking extreme preventive measures to keep them secure."
Katherine Jackson wants the pictures kept under wraps - because the publication of the gruesome shots will be disrespectful to the Thriller superstar's memory and have a negative impact on his three young kids.
The insider says, "Katherine says releasing the photos is morbid and disrespectful to Michael's memory. She's still dealing with Michael's death and she's extremely worried about his kids seeing pictures of their dead father.
"Katherine said she hopes and prays that decency will prevail and no one will ever see these photographs."
Jackson died last June (09) after suffering a cardiac arrest following a dose of powerful drug Propofol. His personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is set to stand trial on a charge of involuntary manslaughter amid accusations he administered the dose that killed the singer. He has pleaded not guilty.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... te_1142440 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/katherine-jackson-wants-autopsy-images-kept-private_1142440)
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Gerald Posner about the autopsy photos...
http://www.accesshollywood.com/preview- ... eo_1170836 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/preview-gerald-posner-on-michael-jackson-autopsy-photo_video_1170836)
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The insider says, "Katherine says releasing the photos is morbid and disrespectful to Michael's memory. She's still dealing with Michael's death and she's extremely worried about his kids seeing pictures of their dead father.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... te_1142440 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/katherine-jackson-wants-autopsy-images-kept-private_1142440)
Why is she that worry, kids did not see their dead dad for real, just like Joe?
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The insider says, "Katherine says releasing the photos is morbid and disrespectful to Michael's memory. She's still dealing with Michael's death and she's extremely worried about his kids seeing pictures of their dead father.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... te_1142440 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/katherine-jackson-wants-autopsy-images-kept-private_1142440)
Why is she that worry, kids did not see their dead dad for real, just like Joe?
Good catch scorpionchik.... :lol: :lol: Of course they haven't seen him dead, because he is not dead.
I've watched a real autopsy on youtube, and its not that gruesome at all..I dont understand how anyone would do that job though. ;)
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Ok... if the photos (real or not) show MJ with a healthy body, and not skeletal and emaciated... how does this correspond to what Karen Faye has said?
Karen said that she helped dress the body and put make up on. She also stated she spoke to the mortitian who told her that MJ weighed something ridiculously thin (cant remember the exact figure, but im sure i could dig it out)
Karen said she witnessed, with her own eyes, a body which was skeletal and emaciated.
SO... if these photos show the opposite to what she said she witnessed.... I WONDER WHAT SHE WILL SAY TO THAT????
KAREN IS TO BE A WITNESS IN THE TRIAL. I really think they will tear her apart on the stand over this.
I cannot think of a reason why she would lie over this matter. i know Karen has had her issues with the MJ fam over the past... but really, i cannot think how she will react or explain this one.
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The face will be blocked out that's for sure. It could be anyone's autopsy photo.
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The face will be blocked out that's for sure. It could be anyone's autopsy photo.
You know.. this feels like a get out clause.
Im not a 100% believer. Im a truth seeker. I just want the truth to come out about this whole thing.
Now (this isnt personally directed at you) - but it seems like whatever is thrown at us in terms of evidence is always dismissed out of hand as "photoshopped" or a "double" or a "dummy". It seems like hoaxsters will always have this explanation as to hold onto the dream of a hoax.
Know what i mean? I dont want to upset anyone, as i just want the truth. I want us all to look at things objectively even if they dont give us the answers that we want.
We havent even seen the pictures yet, and they are already deemed as fake. We need to wait until we make pre-conceived ideas in our heads.
With love. x
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My post was submitted twice for some reason. So deleting this one in an edit.
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Here is the CNN article about the photos:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/cal ... tml?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/california.conrad.murray.autopsy/index.html?hpt=T2)
(CNN) -- California Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ruled Thursday that two autopsy photos of Michael Jackson can be submitted as evidence during the upcoming trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, a person inside the courtroom told CNN.
Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter. Authorities allege that he gave Jackson propofol, a surgical anesthetic drug, that combined with several sedatives found in his blood to kill the singer on June 25, 2009, the Los Angeles County coroner has said.
Jury selection in Murray's trial began last month and will continue into early May. Opening statements and testimony are scheduled to begin May 9.
Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley and his team had filed a motion Tuesday to allow jurors to see the photos, arguing that California courts "permit (prosecutors) to admit autopsy photographs, as they are relevant, (that) will illustrate the testimony of witnesses and will enhance the jury's understanding of the prosecution's case." The photographs will be "properly redacted as deemed appropriate," the prosecution said.
"These limited photographs will help demonstrate that Michael Jackson was generally in excellent health and that, while thin, his body weight was within the normal range," the prosecution said in its motion, adding that the medical examiner and other experts may reference the autopsy photos during the trial.
The defense has argued that Jackson self-administered the propofol in a desperate attempt to get sleep before a rehearsal.
Murray told investigators he was trying to wean Jackson off propofol in the last days of his life, but that he used it along with other drugs to help the pop star sleep that last morning.
The defense claims that the singer's dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, injected Jackson with powerful painkillers dozens of times in the last months of his life, unknown to Murray.
The Medical Board of California and Los Angeles County coroner investigated Klein after Jackson's death, but he was never charged, and no action was taken to revoke his medical license.
Earlier this month, Michael Jackson's dermatologist was ordered to give copies of the pop star's medical records to Murray's attorneys.
Defense attorney Ed Chernoff argued he needed the financial and medical information to make the case that Jackson, who he said was "a desperate man in many respects," gave himself the fatal dose of surgical anesthesia while the doctor was not watching.
Judge Pastor did not order estate executors to give the defense detailed financial information about money the singer owed when he died. But he did say that Jackson's former business manager, Tohme Tohme, must testify in Murray's trial.
Thanks for sharing this article, love4humanity.
This part stood out to me:
Defense attorney Ed Chernoff argued he needed the financial and medical information to make the case that Jackson, who he said was "a desperate man in many respects," gave himself the fatal dose of surgical anesthesia while the doctor was not watching.
Judge Pastor did not order estate executors to give the defense detailed financial information about money the singer owed when he died. But he did say that Jackson's former business manager, Tohme Tohme, must testify in Murray's trial.
So, detailed medical info is ordered, on which patient's privacy rights had to be broken, and no detailed financial information is ordered by the judge :? I bet during the trial they'll find out that MJ wasn't "a desperate man in many respects" at all. Surprise!? ;)
L.O.V.E.
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So, the trial does begin on May 9th. :?
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/cal ... tml?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/california.conrad.murray.autopsy/index.html?hpt=T2)
http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-j ... 1322.story (http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-jackson-doctor-trial-jury-selection-1005091322.story#/news/michael-jackson-doctor-trial-jury-selection-1005091322.story)
Yes for now I guess...and jury selection begins May 4th.
Also about KJ not wanting to see the body, Jermaine has a different opinion like ignisaeternus said Jermaine said it is necessary in the pursuit of justice.
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i am so CONVINCED that there was a person who died in Michael's house that day, very sick and frail. Remember the paramedics did not recognize him.. This impersonator looks like Michael. They will show the face, in any court they show the person face body but they cover the private parts. I know this for a fact when my uncle was murdered 23 yrs ago. I was at the court and you see a naked body you do see where they cut to do autopsy. If they do not show the face it could not be shown in court. Again this will remain to see.. This is my opinion.. blessings.
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I read all of the posts but nobody mentioned this. They will show someone's autopsy pictures at the trial and to me this means that there was a real body that was used in the ambulance and for the autopsy. I do not think that they will be showing some random person's autopsy but I think they will be explaining what the picture is about. So I think the dead person's body needs to be related with the way MJ "died". I do not think that they will show the face and the belly button doesn't prove anything as many people have the same belly button like Michael. But probably they chose someone whose belly button is different and they could use it for the ones who are still sleeping. Let's wait and see.
Not necessarily:
au·top·sy
[aw-top-see, aw-tuhp-] Show IPA
noun, plural -sies, verb, -sied, -sy·ing.
–noun
1.
inspection and dissection of a body after death, as for determination of the cause of death; postmortem examination.
2.
an analysis of something after it has been done or made.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/autopsy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/autopsy)
I think it is necessary.
autopsy
— n , pl -sies
1. necropsy , Also called: postmortem examination dissection and examination of a dead body to determine the cause of death
I read all of the posts but nobody mentioned this. They will show someone's autopsy pictures at the trial and to me this means that there was a real body that was used in the ambulance and for the autopsy. I do not think that they will be showing some random person's autopsy but I think they will be explaining what the picture is about. So I think the dead person's body needs to be related with the way MJ "died". I do not think that they will show the face and the belly button doesn't prove anything as many people have the same belly button like Michael. But probably they chose someone whose belly button is different and they could use it for the ones who are still sleeping. Let's wait and see.
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i am so CONVINCED that there was a person who died in Michael's house that day, very sick and frail. Remember the paramedics did not recognize him.. This impersonator looks like Michael. They will show the face, in any court they show the person face body but they cover the private parts. I know this for a fact when my uncle was murdered 23 yrs ago. I was at the court and you see a naked body you do see where they cut to do autopsy. If they do not show the face it could not be shown in court. Again this will remain to see.. This is my opinion.. blessings.
If the dead one was an impersonator of MJ, the EMTs wouldn't define him as an old, Asian, bald head man I think. I do believe that a dead body was used and the autopsy was done on him and those will be his pictures they will be showing at the trial. There won't be a face for sure in this case as the old person would not look any like Michael. And I'm sorry to hear about your uncle. :(
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Reported Jackson Autopsy -- A Fake
6/29/2009 8:14 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
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We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
UPDATE: The Los Angeles County coroner just released the following statement:
"The report that is being published did not come from this office. I don't know where the information came from, or who that information came from. It is not accurate. Some of it is totally false."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-a ... rt-a-fake/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-autopsy-report-a-fake/)
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So what is the truth then ??? Are there false pictures as well ???
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Reported Jackson Autopsy -- A Fake
6/29/2009 8:14 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
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We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
UPDATE: The Los Angeles County coroner just released the following statement:
"The report that is being published did not come from this office. I don't know where the information came from, or who that information came from. It is not accurate. Some of it is totally false."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-a ... rt-a-fake/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-autopsy-report-a-fake/)
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So what is the truth then ??? Are there false pictures as well ???
No, because this story by the Sun was reported to be a fake. The official autopsy was released online and the coroner confirmed it was the real one on twitter.
This was a story the Sun ran with 3 days after MJ died.
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Reported Jackson Autopsy -- A Fake
6/29/2009 8:14 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
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We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
UPDATE: The Los Angeles County coroner just released the following statement:
"The report that is being published did not come from this office. I don't know where the information came from, or who that information came from. It is not accurate. Some of it is totally false."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-a ... rt-a-fake/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-autopsy-report-a-fake/)
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So what is the truth then ??? Are there false pictures as well ???
False person's autopsy pictures IMO. :lol:
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i am so CONVINCED that there was a person who died in Michael's house that day, very sick and frail. Remember the paramedics did not recognize him.. This impersonator looks like Michael. They will show the face, in any court they show the person face body but they cover the private parts. I know this for a fact when my uncle was murdered 23 yrs ago. I was at the court and you see a naked body you do see where they cut to do autopsy. If they do not show the face it could not be shown in court. Again this will remain to see.. This is my opinion.. blessings. [/quote
Exactly what I have been saying, & saying, & saying. I have never changed my opinion to consider there was a dummy wax or no body at all. It either was Michael who did not die in the hospital or Michael's look alike who was dead. I have been following these 2 options only.But most probably there was dead MJ;s look alike who's autopsy we have out there. I have a hard time to believe coroner is in the hoax.
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With all due respect, but we know the autopsy report was phony for MANY reasons.
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With all due respect, but we know the autopsy report was phony for MANY reasons.
Correct. But not because there was no body, it could also be because it was another man's body. Also because paramedics said "it was old, hospice patient", it would have ment they are also in the hoax, if there is no body or wax, besides coroner, etc. , then it's too risky to keep up silence. I have a hard time to accept that too many people could have been involved in the hoax. Since the hoax purpose is to save MJ, the less people know, the less danger to MJ and more possibility to keep secret. Don't forget about Trust issues and blackmail.
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With all due respect, but we know the autopsy report was phony for MANY reasons.
Correct. But not because there was no body, it could also be because it was another man's body. Also because paramedics said "it was old, hospice patient", it would have ment they are also in the hoax, if there is no body or wax, besides coroner, etc. , then it's too risky to keep up silence. I have a hard time to accept that too many people could have been involved in the hoax. Since the hoax purpose is to save MJ, the less people know, the less danger to MJ and more possibility to keep secret. Don't forget about Trust issues and blackmail.
On the other hand, when I said my another option I think it was MJ himself, it fits with the theory that FBI is involved. Because: if FBI is involved then there is no need to have a wax or no body, because they have a power to arrange & realize a hoax plan with real MJ themselves, being paramedics, coroner, and whoever they need to be.....
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
Yes it was him jumping out of the coroner van. And it was him sitting up on the stretcher going into UCLA too.
No dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
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With all due respect, but we know the autopsy report was phony for MANY reasons.
Correct. But not because there was no body, it could also be because it was another man's body. Also because paramedics said "it was old, hospice patient", it would have ment they are also in the hoax, if there is no body or wax, besides coroner, etc. , then it's too risky to keep up silence. I have a hard time to accept that too many people could have been involved in the hoax. Since the hoax purpose is to save MJ, the less people know, the less danger to MJ and more possibility to keep secret. Don't forget about Trust issues and blackmail.
Agree with you Scorpion. And a phony autopsy doesn't mean that no autopsy was done to anybody. I still believe that a corpse was used who died like the way Michael was supposed to be died of and the autopsy was done on him. They need to show something at the trial. Even this is a movie, people forget that it has to be convincing and that was one of the reasons why some of the people were kept out of the hoax. To create the dramatic structure was very important. The hoax wasn't made for people to understand that Michael is alive. On the contrary, it was done to make some of the evil people believe that Michael is gone for real. But the clues were given to us to understand that Michael is alive. We need to make the difference. This is not done for fun purposes but it is a very serious issue that the FBI involved. Not everyone involved in the hoax also for Michael's safety for sure. And we shouldn't forget that not everyone in that courtroom are in the know of the hoax.
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
Yes it was him jumping out of the coroner van. And it was him sitting up on the stretcher going into UCLA too.
No dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
Yes, but what if Michael getting into the hospital sitting on the strecther were taken the other day? ;) I still haven't seen a logical answer why the paramedics couldn't recognize Michael and told that he was an old, Asian man.
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
Yes it was him jumping out of the coroner van. And it was him sitting up on the stretcher going into UCLA too.
No dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
Yes, but what if Michael getting into the hospital sitting on the strecther were taken the other day? ;) I still haven't seen a logical answer why the paramedics couldn't recognize Michael and told that he was an old, Asian man.
Yes, footage previously filmed like a movie.
Underlined: because it's the original clue when paired with the ambulance photo. Just like the syringe that rolled under the bed, paired with the death bed photo.
What you read doesn't match what you see. "Your eyes don't lie, media does".
It's so clear now. Can't you see?
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size=150]No[/size] dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
It is NOT a fact, it is just a theory
Since the hoax purpose is to save MJ, the less people know, the less danger to MJ and more possibility to keep secret. Don't forget about trust issues and blackmail.
If FBI is involved, then there is no need to have a wax, or no body, or other's body, or previous footage to get neighbors attention.The FBI has a power to arrange & realize a hoax plan themselves, being paramedics, coroner,ambulance driver, 911 dispatcher,helicopter staff, and whoever they need to be with real MJ faking dying in ambulance.....
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
Yes it was him jumping out of the coroner van. And it was him sitting up on the stretcher going into UCLA too.
No dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
Yes, but what if Michael getting into the hospital sitting on the strecther were taken the other day? ;) I still haven't seen a logical answer why the paramedics couldn't recognize Michael and told that he was an old, Asian man.
Yes, footage previously filmed like a movie.
Underlined: because it's the original clue when paired with the ambulance photo. Just like the syringe that rolled under the bed, paired with the death bed photo.
What you read doesn't match what you see. "Your eyes don't lie, media does".
It's so clear now. Can't you see?
I do not think that it was a clue. It doesn't explain why the room was heated either. I still go with the dead person theory which makes better sense to me.
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
Yes it was him jumping out of the coroner van. And it was him sitting up on the stretcher going into UCLA too.
No dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
Yes, but what if Michael getting into the hospital sitting on the strecther were taken the other day? ;) I still haven't seen a logical answer why the paramedics couldn't recognize Michael and told that he was an old, Asian man.
Yes, footage previously filmed like a movie.
Underlined: because it's the original clue when paired with the ambulance photo. Just like the syringe that rolled under the bed, paired with the death bed photo.
What you read doesn't match what you see. "Your eyes don't lie, media does".
It's so clear now. Can't you see?
I do not think that it was a clue. It doesn't explain why the room was heated either. I still go with the dead person theory which makes better sense to me.
Yep me too!!! And I'm leaning toward it being a long term double and now Michael is out there as the double. Don't laugh. We'll wait and see :)
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The description of Michael's pictures being taken for the 1993 case had me to tears :cry: I love you so much Michael
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This is Craig Harvey....from the Coroners office...I believe he is in on it for sure.
So Craig Harvey, has done some acting before, in CSI Miami..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl6t_h ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl6t_hkd8&feature=related)
[youtube:2scy8087]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl6t_hkd8&feature=related[/youtube:2scy8087]
WARNING....One part of this video contains grahic footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc)
[youtube:2scy8087]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc[/youtube:2scy8087]
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…because we saw him jump out of the ambulance, right. I don’t care what they say, tried to debunk it before we got hold to it, that was him in that video.
Yes it was him jumping out of the coroner van. And it was him sitting up on the stretcher going into UCLA too.
No dead body.
:idea: :arrow: 8-)
Yes, but what if Michael getting into the hospital sitting on the strecther were taken the other day? ;) I still haven't seen a logical answer why the paramedics couldn't recognize Michael and told that he was an old, Asian man.
Yes, footage previously filmed like a movie.
Underlined: because it's the original clue when paired with the ambulance photo. Just like the syringe that rolled under the bed, paired with the death bed photo.
What you read doesn't match what you see. "Your eyes don't lie, media does".
It's so clear now. Can't you see?
I do not think that it was a clue. It doesn't explain why the room was heated either. I still go with the dead person theory which makes better sense to me.
Yep me too!!! And I'm leaning toward it being a long term double and now Michael is out there as the double. Don't laugh. We'll wait and see :)
I do not think that the body belongs to a double. If it was so, the paramedics would think that he was Michael himself and wouldn't need to say "We couldn't recognize him. He was an old Asian man". How can an old, Asian looking man be Michael's double? I think the body was chosen randomly who died that morning. When the FBI is in, it is not too hard to find a dead homeless person.
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This coroner appears to be a wise man.
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You guys are missing a big fact. HIPAA law means paramedics can't say anything about a real patient they worked on. Do you get it?
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But it happens nevertheless.
Some hospitals did have huge conflicts due to improperly acting employees.
Some docs just fit the same class.
Not only docs and hospitals face that issue but authorities and executing offices do as well.
Laws sometimes are understood more as a proposal that is not binding.
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I know you all mostly think it couldn't have been a double, but dead people wouldn't look like Michael. Perhaps the Asian looking was to again say, how outrageous it is.
Again, my opinion. We all have them. We'll see in the end which one is right :)) What a game. What a mystery. What a movie!!! Way to go Michael Jackson.
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Michael Jacksons Fans 'Furious' Over Naked Death Photos
They express their outrage...
Fans of Michael Jackson have expressed their anger after it emerged photos of the singer taken in the autopsy room will be shown at the trial of the doctor accused of causing his death.
Last week, a judge sided with prosecutors who said the photos would provide evidence that Jackson was healthy before he died in June 2009.
The defence for Dr Conrad Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to one charge of involuntary manslaughter, had objected to the images being shown.
Responding to the news on Gigwise's comments section, many fans expressed their frustration that the naked photos may surface.
Danielle Maria Adams said: “This is not the world's business to see.”
Kenneth Donnaly added: “I didn't think you could show pictures like this in a public trial, you know these will be leaked to the internet, hasn't the family not opposed this?
“Just shows what they thought of him just a meal ticket.”
The images include a picture of Jackson naked but with parts of his body obscured.
Dr Murray was working with Jackson has he prepared for his ill-fated comeback gigs in London. He could face four years in prison if found guilty.
http://www.gigwise.com/news/62738/Micha ... ath-Photos (http://www.gigwise.com/news/62738/Michael-Jacksons-Fans-Furious-Over-Naked-Death-Photos)
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Recall that photos of Nicole Brown and her friend who was also killed, were shown to the jury at OJs trial, but not shown on camera to the viewers.
We will likely never ever in a million years see any such photos. They are "alleged" and are being brought up to inspire an emotional response. Just like the alleged autopsy program. Just like the Murray reality show (remember THAT?!?). Alleged.
We shall all stay glued to the screen and keep watching ;)
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There will be a :shock: moment during the trial, I'm sure of that! I wouldn't be surprised when during the trial the autopsy photo's will be shown to witnesses, some (close) witnesses will go like :shock: and will say something like "..but that's NOT Michael..!!" Another family member will confirm this. This will be a moment when non hoax believers, who are already confused by the contradicting media reports, will definately go hmmm. ;) Just a theory of course.
L.O.V.E.