Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Conrad Murray Investigation & Court Case => After June 25, 2009 => Court Case & Hearings; Discussion and Articles => Topic started by: finfin on April 16, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
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Jacko killed by 'Mr X' not doc
Mystery fingerprints found on death syringe
Accused's lawyer says he can't be convicted
(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00247/jacko_619_247661a.jpg)
Death scene... syringe and Jacko's bedroomExclusive by James Desborough, US Editor
April 17, 2011
THE fingerprints on the syringe that killed Michael Jackson are NOT his doctor's, we can reveal.
The bombshell new evidence means Dr Conrad Murray could walk free from his trial for involuntary manslaughter, which starts in just three weeks.
(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00246/jacko_300_246935a.jpg)
Jacko... on stage HO/AFP/Getty Images
And it supports his theory that a "Mr X" injected Jacko with a lethal dose of Propofol - before stealing more than a million dollars of his cash and fleeing.
Police will not be able to disprove Murray easily because in another twist they have LOST 24 hours of CCTV footage from Jacko's mansion that would have shown exactly who was inside when he died.
A source close to the case told the News of the World: "The mystery fingerprints are the biggest breakthrough for Murray so far. If it is handled right it would mean a jury cannot convict him.
"Murray and Michael were the only ones supposedly at the house at the time. And all the syringes were vacuum-packed and sterile before use.
"The fingerprints point to someone else being there and using the fatal syringe."
Murray's lawyer Ed Chernoff has now adopted the catchphrase: "If the print doesn't fit, you must acquit."
It comes from OJ Simpson's lawyer Johnnie Cochran - who said, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" about a glove OJ was supposedly wearing when he allegedly murdered his wife. The jury found him not guilty.
The fingerprints on Jacko's syringe do not belong to any of his family or staff - and no one knows whose they are.
I never wanted him to die - he was my friend
They were found by Murray's legal team after they asked the Los Angeles Police Department for the coroners' "evidence box". Inside it were several syringes from Jacko's bedroom - including the one doctors said killed him - plus pills, drips, oxygen tanks and his clothes.
Murray's lawyers had them dusted for prints. Jackson, 50, overdosed on the powerful sedative Propofol in June 2009. Cardiologist Murray, who was paid £90,000 a month by the singer to be his personal doctor, is accused of negligently administering the drug.
He denies the charge, and faces up to four years in jail if found guilty. His lawyers will argue someone else gave Jacko the drug through a drip into his leg. They believe the mystery killer is the same person who swiped huge wads of cash lying around the mansion Jackson was renting in LA.
(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00246/jacko_2_300_246938a.jpg)
Murray... May trial AP/Jason Redmond
The "Mr X" defence ties into our exclusive story on how the Jackson family frantically called staff to try to find a massive sum of missing money in the hours after Jacko died. His children Paris, 12, and Prince, 13, sister LaToya and mum Katherine are all expected to testify at the trial that Jacko had bundles of $100 notes which vanished.
Our source said: "The missing CCTV tape also helps the theory.
"Bodyguards say they handed over 24 hours-worth of footage from the day, which showed everyone who came and went.
"Chernoff's been told it is no longer available. Somehow only a few minutes of the footage is left."
The twists could mean Murray, 56, may not even have to speak at the trial. He doesn't want to take the stand - and his team plan to submit a statement saying: "I didn't do it, and I don't know how it happened. I am deeply sorry for Michael's death. I never wanted him to die - he was my friend."
His lawyers will also point out he would be mad to kill his employer, who paid him more than a million dollars a year.
But even if Murray is cleared of manslaughter, he will face a battle to clear his name.
Last week court papers showed he was making flirty texts and calls to three women while Jacko lay dying. And we previously revealed he failed to administer proper CPR, refused to tell doctors about injecting Propofol and hid details of Jacko's pill use.
Jury selection starts this week and the prosecution's opening statements begin on May 9.
Yesterday the LA District Attorney's office and Murray's spokesman refused to comment.
But a Jackson family spokesman said: "They are concerned about all the matters around the death. They are unsure Conrad Murray will ever go to prison."
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OH MY GOD!!!!
I said this was going to happen MONTHS AGO!!!! I knew the fingerprints wouldnt match Murray or Michael.
OH MY BLOODY GOD!!!!!!!! Why the hell wasnt this done on day ONE!!!!
I need time for this to sink in because i said this months ago and now its become the reality.
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Jacko killed by 'Mr X' not doc
Mystery fingerprints found on death syringe
Accused's lawyer says he can't be convicted
THE fingerprints on the syringe that killed Michael Jackson are NOT his doctor's, we can reveal.
So they revealed that the fingerprints on the syringe do not belong to the doctor but they didn't write that they do not belong to Michael either.
The bombshell new evidence means Dr Conrad Murray could walk free from his trial for involuntary manslaughter, which starts in just three weeks.
That is exactly what's going to happen.
And it supports his theory that a "Mr X" injected Jacko with a lethal dose of Propofol - before stealing more than a million dollars of his cash and fleeing.
First of, I HATE it when they use Jacko! And second of all we're having a new theory here that a "very mysterious" person got into the house that "nobody" saw and he "killed" the one who was already sleeping to get his money. :lol:
"Murray and Michael were the only ones supposedly at the house at the time. And all the syringes were vacuum-packed and sterile before use.
If the fingerprints do not belong to Murray then they have to be Michael's.
"The fingerprints point to someone else being there and using the fatal syringe."
There has to be mystery everywhere. :D Guess who this mysterious person is?
The fingerprints on Jacko's syringe do not belong to any of his family or staff - and no one knows whose they are.
Of course no family or staff coz they belong to Michael himself duh.
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The fingerprints on Jacko's syringe do not belong to any of his family or staff - and no one knows whose they are.
Of course no family or staff coz they belong to Michael himself duh.
I dont read the article like that. I read it that the fingerprints do not match Murray, Michael or any other known person. They would have checked the prints against Michaels.
There was a thread about this a while ago, when the defence were talking about this syringe and asking for MJs fingerprints to compare. Its in that thread that i said i bet the fingerprints will match a mysterious third person.
i was right about the CCTV being written over and i know im right about this. Call it instinct.
It was just a matter of time before this "revelation" would be revealed.
What i dont understand is why no-one is now questioning the initial police investigation. Fingerprinting a syringe found in the room would be basic detective work and basic scene of crime procedure. Instead they choose to do this WEEKS before a murder trial?????? MAKES NO SENSE.
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Jacko killed by 'Mr X' not doc
Mystery fingerprints found on death syringe
Accused's lawyer says he can't be convicted
But now they are saying KILLED..........this court case was not about a murder, it was manslaughter.
So how can this newspaper make an assumption that it is MURDER !!!
This is crucial evidence that will aquit the doctor, but no-one else was in the room or house at the time.
This is fantastic news, as we already knew there would be an aquittal, as MJ would not let an innocent man go to jail !!Thanks for sharing this ....
And we have another Lindsay Lohan connection.. ;)
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But now they are saying KILLED..........this court case was not about a murder, it was manslaughter.
So how can this newspaper make an assumption that it is MURDER !!!
Manslaughter IS murder... its just a different level of mens rea involved. It is still killing someone!!!!!
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Jacko killed by 'Mr X' not doc
Mystery fingerprints found on death syringe
Accused's lawyer says he can't be convicted
But now they are saying KILLED..........this court case was not about a murder, it was manslaughter.
So how can this newspaper make an assumption that it is MURDER !!!
This is crucial evidence that will aquit the doctor, but no-one else was in the room or house at the time.
This is fantastic news, as we already knew there would be an aquittal, as MJ would not let an innocent man go to jail !!Thanks for sharing this ....
And we have another Lindsay Lohan connection.. ;)
i think because if it wasn't murry then it wasn't something that would be negligent but intentional perhaps even pre-meditated wouldn't ? seems like at this point someone needs to be looking for someone else to charge if it isn't bs.
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The "Mr X" defence ties into our exclusive story on how the Jackson family frantically called staff to try to find a massive sum of missing money in the hours after Jacko died. His children Paris, 12, and Prince, 13, sister LaToya and mum Katherine are all expected to testify at the trial that Jacko had bundles of $100 notes which vanished.
"the Jackson family frantically called staff to try to find a massive sum of missing money in the hours after Jacko died"
But the staff were dismissed,while the ambulance was there.........unless they mean the "bodyguards".
MJ would have needed that $$$$$$$ in cash so he wouldn't be traced to his whereabouts.
The only thing that really worries me, is if this is really a murder case, and someone is walking free at the moment.
Syringes are supposed to be sterile, as stated, but is it possible that someone from the family, LaToya planted it there and they are her fingerprints ???? Sounds more realistic than someone who murdered MJ, was STUPID enough to leave fingerprints on a syringe to be found.......
Definitely planted there to help Murray get off... ;) ;)
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@2good2betrue The article says the prints dont match any of the Jackson family.
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@2good2betrue The article says the prints dont match any of the Jackson family.
But how would they know that??? Did they have all the family give their fingerprints when they are not even suspects??
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Jackson family is pretty big.
Doesn't match any of them huh? Even Blanket? Did they fingerprint Blanket to compare? How about Tito's sons? Jermaine's boys? How about Katherine. Did the fingerprint Katherine just to be sure? They must have, the article says it doesn't match any of the Jackson Family.
Come to think of it, never mind the Jackson family, none of them were at the scene at the time anyway. How about the Bodyguards? Did they check the Bodyguards prints? Maybe it's one of them.
This is such BS.
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@2good2betrue The article says the prints dont match any of the Jackson family.
But how would they know that??? Did they have all the family give their fingerprints when they are not even suspects??
Yes, they could have given prints to help the investigation. Its not uncommon.
For example.. if your house gets burgled, the cops will take your prints in order to discount them from any they find at the scene.
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How about the Bodyguards? Did they check the Bodyguards prints? Maybe it's one of them.
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The article says that the prints dont match any of MJs staff.
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THIS LINK TAKES ME TO SOME PORN SHYT. :evil:
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THIS LINK TAKES ME TO SOME PORN SHYT. :evil:
It's not porn.. its a UK tabloid. Our newspapers have lots of pictures of nakes ladies in them. Page 3 has topless lady on daily.
Im not sure why... must be British men for you!!! :D
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Here’s a better link
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/_news/1273373/Dr-Murray-not-Jacksons-killer.html
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THIS LINK TAKES ME TO SOME PORN SHYT. :evil:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: i know it is not funny but i can't help :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: because of the :evil: sorry :oops: :oops: :oops:
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"Murray's lawyer Ed Chernoff has now adopted the catchphrase: "If the print doesn't fit, you must acquit.”
:? What more can I say? When will we be able to see the movie in widescreen? :roll: Certainly this is what we’re being prepped for.
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Someone mentioned that News of the World is a tabloid. Anyone know if this information has been reported any place other than a tabloid?
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"Murray's lawyer Ed Chernoff has now adopted the catchphrase: "If the print doesn't fit, you must acquit.”
:? What more can I say? When will we be able to see the movie in widescreen? :roll: Certainly this is what we’re being prepped for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwW5gU7r ... rofilepage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwW5gU7reKw&feature=player_profilepage)
[youtube:37qw2fzn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwW5gU7reKw&feature=player_profilepage[/youtube:37qw2fzn]
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Someone mentioned that News of the World is a tabloid. Anyone know if this information has been reported any place other than a tabloid?
No, because its an exclusive to them.
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Someone mentioned that News of the World is a tabloid. Anyone know if this information has been reported any place other than a tabloid?
No, because its an exclusive to them.
I have also been googling and nothing else comes up yet...but its posted all over Twitter from other believers. Wasn't this the same tabloid newspaper that reported MJ had only 6mths to live ??
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The fingerprints on Jacko's syringe do not belong to any of his family or staff - and no one knows whose they are.
Of course no family or staff coz they belong to Michael himself duh.
I dont read the article like that. I read it that the fingerprints do not match Murray, Michael or any other known person. They would have checked the prints against Michaels.
There was a thread about this a while ago, when the defence were talking about this syringe and asking for MJs fingerprints to compare. Its in that thread that i said i bet the fingerprints will match a mysterious third person.
i was right about the CCTV being written over and i know im right about this. Call it instinct.
It was just a matter of time before this "revelation" would be revealed.
What i dont understand is why no-one is now questioning the initial police investigation. Fingerprinting a syringe found in the room would be basic detective work and basic scene of crime procedure. Instead they choose to do this WEEKS before a murder trial?????? MAKES NO SENSE.
I do not buy all this crap. Maybe that is the reason why I took the article like the way I wrote. I do not believe there is a third person because I am sure that Michael is alive. :) So no need to panic over this BS. Like you wrote in your last paragraph, nothing makes sense in this so called investigation. Everyday we hear a new story. So no need to get excited about these.
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"Murray and Michael were the only ones supposedly at the house at the time. And all the syringes were vacuum-packed and sterile before use. “
This doesn’t fit what was reported. There were others there. They were sent home after the paramedics arrived. Am I correct or am I missing something? Please correct me if I’m wrong. Possibly they are referring to the hours when the injections supposedly happened. At that hour, I guess they were the only ones in that room, but certainly not the only ones in the home. Wouldn’t it be a twist if the next revelation was that maybe, just maybe one of Murrays hos did it :lol:
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"Murray and Michael were the only ones supposedly at the house at the time. And all the syringes were vacuum-packed and sterile before use. “
This doesn’t fit what was reported. There were others there. They were sent home after the paramedics arrived. Am I correct or am I missing something? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
If we think the 911 call was made by Alverez, there's at least one more person at home. Ahh but plus I do remember that the cook was downstairs with the kids. And yes, the house staff like maids and bodyguards were there too. All of these contradictions tell how fake the story is. And I'm not talking about this article only, I'm talking about the entire "death" story. :)
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I do not know if the story is true or not, but as far as I remember the scene was not sealed by the police, people were then allowed to get into the house and room after paramedics left (e.g. Alvares saying he was sent to pick some bags), so anybody was able to touch the syringes if they were left there, not to mention paramedics themselves.
On a different note: if Murray is just a character in the play, no wonder the fingerprints do not much. Dr.Murray does not exits ;)
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I think I am just going to wait until another site posts this...how do we know this is true?
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There is an underground carpark at Carolwood dve...a different entrance to the front gates..
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Someone mentioned that News of the World is a tabloid. Anyone know if this information has been reported any place other than a tabloid?
No, because its an exclusive to them.
Well I guess we wait and see if anybody else reports this. Even if it does appear in other media it won't make it any more reliable, it will be another copy/paste job. TMZ (another tabloid) has reported almost exclusively on MJ, and the other media took what they reported and ran with it without any verification. This all reminds me of a long ago clue from TS about Joey Skaggs...the famous hoax artist. Mr. Skaggs repeatedly showed how easy it was to get things printed in the media without verification of any kind. Everybody is in a hurry to get the "scoop" and will print stories with the most questionable of sources or none at all.
Mysterious Mr. X huh? :D I wonder who the JOKER is planting these stories. Hahahaha
TouchedByAnAngel
"JUST BECAUSE IT IS IN PRINT DOESN'T MAKE IT THE GOSPEL"
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I think there is no mr X, Y and Z.. Michael is not going to let an innocent man who probably helped him with this hoax go to jail for something he did not do. Hypothetical speaking, let suppose Michael is really dead, Murray was his doctor, he was suppose to be on his side all the time, watching, and monotoring him. Not leaving him and go who knows were to speak to 3 women. I still think he is responsible for his actions. If he did not leave the room, Mr. X wouldn't have killed Michael. Now this is just hypothetical speaking. I am not saying Michael is dead. I know the hoax is coming to an end,and I feel more confused then June 25/2009. :? Blessings
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Mr. Skaggs repeatedly showed how easy it was to get things printed in the media without verification of any kind. Everybody is in a hurry to get the "scoop" and will print stories with the most questionable of sources or none at all.
"JUST BECAUSE IT IS IN PRINT DOESN'T MAKE IT THE GOSPEL"
So true. Hard to tell what's true and what's not. :lol:
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This is Wikipedia's explanation of "News of the World"
It is a tabloid....Not sure if we should believe this article or not unless one special brilliant genius is
getting rumors out there on purpose! 8-)
News of the World
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Official website http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/ (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/)
The News of the World is a national tabloid newspaper published in the United Kingdom every Sunday. It is published by News Group Newspapers of News International, itself a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, and is the Sunday sister paper of The Sun. The newspaper concentrates on celebrity-based scoops and populist news. Its fondness for sex scandals gained it the nicknames "News of the Screws" and "Screws of the World". It also has a reputation for exposing celebrities as drug users or criminals and setting up insiders and journalists in disguise to provide either video or photographic evidence. With sales averaging 2,812,005 copies per week in October 2010,[1] the News of the World is the largest selling English-language newspaper in the world.[2] On 16 September 2010, it was announced that the online website of the paper would be placed behind a paywall.[3]
The editor Andy Coulson resigned on 26 January 2007 over the royal phone tapping scandal.[4] He was succeeded by Colin Myler, a former editor of the Sunday Mirror who had latterly worked at the New York Post. Previous editors of the paper include Piers Morgan and Rebekah Wade who replaced Phil Hall in 2000.
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I don't believe this story because it doesn't make too much sense.
If someone wanted to stole that money - he/she could have done it without killing Michael.
But the house was guarded and how could anyone went in withot having an acomplice - one of the bodyguards maybe?
And the police never followed the trail of that 1 million they say MJ had in the house?
Anyway, who's keeping 1 million in the house? I find this odd.
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(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/DRMurray.jpg)
Sounds like "Dr. Murray" (Michael?) is sending us messages right on time
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News of the World... I remember years back they had a cover story "Mermaid Found in Tuna Sandwich". It was literally a Barbie between two pieces of bread.
I'm really not inclined to put any credence in an article by that publication...
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News of the World... I remember years back they had a cover story "Mermaid Found in Tuna Sandwich". It was literally a Barbie between two pieces of bread.
I'm really not inclined to put any credence in an article by that publication...
I think you are thinking of a different tabloid... not the UK one.
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Guys, this is like in a movie! We don't know who killed until the end!
Put your 3d hoax glasses on and keep watching!
<TMZ is also a tabloid trash, yet we all follow it every day> 8-)
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Guys, this is like in a movie! We don't know who killed until the end!
Put your 3d hoax glasses on and keep watching!
<TMZ is also a tabloid trash, yet we all follow it every day> 8-)
Exactly... plus NOTW is the one that Latoya, Katherine and Joe went to for exclusive interviews. So i cant discount NOTW as its clear they have sources on the inside.
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I remember someone in hoaxland back in 2009 who kept talking about fingerprints. His/her story at that time was so strange and unbelievable, that I thought (s)he was nuts. I can't remember it all, but I do remember that when this person left, (s)he said: you will remember me later, when the fingerprints will come up. Well, I do remember her/him now, such a pity I can't remember the rest of the story. All I remember is that it was about a clinic in Europe and fake hands. I told you it sounded strange...
So now the story is that a third person managed to get into the house, passed the bodyguards, the chef, the kids and Murray, got into the room at the right moment, when Murray was out to phone one of his girls or taking a piss, KNEW where Mike had his cash, KNEW that the drugs he was going to inject him with would kill him and not wake him up, got the cash, and got out unnoticed as well. Oh, and he also has ties with the LAPD so the tapes would be gone and the fingerprints not checked until the defence got a hold of it. So the thief story doesn't really sound convincing, a thief has no LAPD connections like that, or that much luck. MJ knew how protect himself, a thief could never get this far, BS. If people do believe this could have happened, they would also believe that the bodyguards and the LAPD are involved to cover it all up and send Murray to jail for it instead. In that case they would have made SURE that the fingerprints would have matched Murray's, they would have planted evidence against him. This story doesn't make sense at all.
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@Souza What if it was someone on the inside, who knew MJ - so knew about the drugs, the propofol and the stashed cash.
Although it would be sloppy to leave fingerprints, as if they were clever they would have worn gloves.
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The News of the World is one of the trashiest tabloids ever - it has printed a load of crap about MJ over the years.
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I remember someone in hoaxland back in 2009 who kept talking about fingerprints. His/her story at that time was so strange and unbelievable, that I thought (s)he was nuts. I can't remember it all, but I do remember that when this person left, (s)he said: you will remember me later, when the fingerprints will come up. Well, I do remember her/him now, such a pity I can't remember the rest of the story. All I remember is that it was about a clinic in Europe and fake hands. I told you it sounded strange...
So now the story is that a third person managed to get into the house, passed the bodyguards, the chef, the kids and Murray, got into the room at the right moment, when Murray was out to phone one of his girls or taking a piss, KNEW where Mike had his cash, KNEW that the drugs he was going to inject him with would kill him and not wake him up, got the cash, and got out unnoticed as well. Oh, and he also has ties with the LAPD so the tapes would be gone and the fingerprints not checked until the defence got a hold of it. So the thief story doesn't really sound convincing, a thief has no LAPD connections like that, or that much luck. MJ knew how protect himself, a thief could never get this far, BS. If people do believe this could have happened, they would also believe that the bodyguards and the LAPD are involved to cover it all up and send Murray to jail for it instead. In that case they would have made SURE that the fingerprints would have matched Murray's, they would have planted evidence against him. This story doesn't make sense at all.
Agreed.
But we mustn`t forget that this is just a defence strategy. They are just supposed to disproove the accusation but not supposed to deliver an unambigious story themselves. It`ll be sufficient to point at convincing facts that cast substantial /reasonable doubts on the accusation. In order not to fail, prosecution now has to produce a consistant story with evidence not to the contrary but to some proof of Murray`s guilt in the case.
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Wasn't there an IV stand in the death scene photo ???
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/_n ... iller.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/_news/1273373/Dr-Murray-not-Jacksons-killer.html)
Jacko killed by 'Mr X' not doc
Mystery fingerprints found on death syringe
Accused's lawyer says he can't be convicted
(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00247/jacko_619_247661a.jpg)
News of the world :roll: aha, yeah, sure :roll: what a trustful tabloid...
Now they will come up with "it was a fan who killed MJ", "he sneaked in to the home, reached Michael and killed him" :roll:
And the prints are analyzed and found after almost 2 years :roll:
Give me a B *clap clap clap*
Give me a S *clap clap clap*
BS
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News of the World... I remember years back they had a cover story "Mermaid Found in Tuna Sandwich". It was literally a Barbie between two pieces of bread.
I'm really not inclined to put any credence in an article by that publication...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
We should be glad that they didn't find Michael in a hotdog. :lol:
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Is it possible that Murray wrote this story himself as a diversion tactic? Get the heat offa him for a minute. Changes. Confusion. Things coming to a chaotic, climatic end?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... -sale.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/7454492/Michael-Jacksons-fatal-drugs-syringe-to-go-on-sale.html)
The other syringe that adminstered the fatal dose was in Vegas in 2010, wonder how much it was sold for? :lol:
Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson's fatal drugs syringe 'to go on sale'
The syringe that allegedly administered a fatal dose of drugs to Michael Jackson is reportedly set to go on sale for $5 million (£3.3m) in Las Vegas.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01550/Jacko_1550604c.jpg)
Michael Jackson died at his home in Las Angeles last June Photo: JANE MINGAYBy Heidi Blake 8:55AM GMT 16 Mar 2010
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The needle is believed to have been obtained secretly and is apparently being offered around Las Vegas auction houses.
Michael Jackson's family are said to have been informed by lawyers representing the unnamed seller and are reportedly desperate to stop the sale.
The bizarre artefact could go under the hammer on June 25 – the first anniversary of the singer's death in Los Angeles.
His personal doctor, Conrad Murray, 57, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter after allegedly administering drugs such as Valium, lorazepam and propofol to the troubled star.
An autopsy found that Jackson died from "lethal levels" of propofol, a powerful anaesthetic. The syringe set to go on sale is said to be the one used to administer the fatal dose.
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A source told The Mirror: "This is one of the sickest lots ever put up. The syringe is no longer needed in the inquest or in murray's forthcoming trial but the moral implications don't bear thinking about.
"The guy who has possession of the needle has been in meetings with his legal team, making sure it is legitimate and his to sell. The plan is to flog it for up to $5 million in a big Vegas casino but he's been told he may have to sell it somewhere that doesn't have 'reciprocal legal agreements with the United States', such as Brazil or even Libya.
"The validity of the sale is a matter of interpretation, dependent on whether the DA believes a crime has even been committed. Rumours are leaking thick and fast and the Jackson family are aware of the auction plan.
"They are furious and incensed that someone is yet again trying to profit from him. It's an incredibly distressing time for them."
Dr Conrad Murray denies the manslaughter charges and will go on trial later this year
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My God .... what is the next?
The Mysterious Mr. X also .... ;)
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I’m about to burn out :? This is too much sensationalism for me. Gonna step back a bit til later in the week. Maybe things will calm down and make a little more sense by then. At least I hope so.
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I’m about to burn out :? This is too much sensationalism for me. Gonna step back a bit til later in the week. Maybe things will calm down and make a little more sense by then. At least I hope so.
Ah. Take care. xx Dont be sad or make yourself ill over this. xx
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Prints on Michael Jackson syringe 'not Murray's' (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a315015/prints-on-michael-jackson-syringe-not-murrays.html)
Sunday, April 17 2011, 15:43 BST
By Colin Daniels (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a315015/prints-on-michael-jackson-syringe-not-murrays.html#), Entertainment Reporter
Fingerprints found on the syringe whose contents killed Michael Jackson do not belong to Dr Conrad Murray, it has been reported.
Murray is due to stand trial over Jackson's death in three weeks time (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a297359/michael-jackson-doc-murray-to-stand-trial.html). He is accused of involuntary manslaughter after allegedly administering the Propofol that killed the popstar. (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a209841/report-jackos-doc-failed-in-his-duty.html)
(http://i2.cdnds.net/10/06/M/showbiz_conrad_murray.jpg)
However, the News of the World reports that Murray's prints were not on the fatal syringe - supporting his defence that "Mr X" injected the drug before fleeing with more than $1m in cash that went missing from Jackson's home.
"The mystery fingerprints are the biggest breakthrough for Murray so far," a source said. "If it is handled right it would mean a jury cannot convict him. All the syringes were vacuum-packed and sterile before use. The fingerprints point to someone else being there and using the fatal syringe."
Furthermore, police have lost CCTV footage from the house on the day of Jackson's death. "The missing CCTV tape also helps the theory. Bodyguards say they handed over 24 hours-worth of footage from the day, which showed everyone who came and went," the source added.
Murray is said to be reluctant to take to the stand and will submit a statement claiming his innocence. He will also question why he would want to kill Jackson when he was being paid £90,000 ($147,000) a month to work as his personal doctor.
The fingerprints do not belong to any of Jackson's family or staff and it remains unknown whose they are.
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If somebody did get in there why didn't they take the evidence with them and burn it why leave it there touched by bare hands why not cover your tracks
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If somebody did get in there why didn't they take the evidence with them and burn it why leave it there touched by bare hands why not cover your tracks
What if these fingerprints were deliberately planted to cause doubt and confusion?
Im betting these fingerprints dont match any of the main players that we know, and we may probably never know.
Souza mentioned someone had a theory that a false hand was used to plant fingerprints. Wouldnt be impossible, i suppose.
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ahahah this i funny, their letting people with out brains know that Murry could walk. but i am sure that this thing will not even go as fair as a verdict from the jury. the fact that the police did not do their job and locking down the place, and the family was parading around in the house, will result in a mistrial. they cant use anything from the house in the case. it;s all tampered with. and the family should be in jail for distraction of evidence. (but that is why i know it's a hoax) :lol:
there is nothing that proves that he was in that house. what the people say is just he said she said to a lot of people, it is the test, fingerprints , hair samples,ect, that make the trail. if they try to use anything from the house in the trail they will be breaking the law.
ahahha love it :D
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If somebody did get in there why didn't they take the evidence with them and burn it why leave it there touched by bare hands why not cover your tracks
just considering all angles here (i do not believe he's dead at all) maybe whoever it was had to abruptly leave after he/she heard Murray flushing the toilet and returning. :shock:
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I remember someone in hoaxland back in 2009 who kept talking about fingerprints. His/her story at that time was so strange and unbelievable, that I thought (s)he was nuts. I can't remember it all, but I do remember that when this person left, (s)he said: you will remember me later, when the fingerprints will come up. Well, I do remember her/him now, such a pity I can't remember the rest of the story. All I remember is that it was about a clinic in Europe and fake hands. I told you it sounded strange...
So now the story is that a third person managed to get into the house, passed the bodyguards, the chef, the kids and Murray, got into the room at the right moment, when Murray was out to phone one of his girls or taking a piss, KNEW where Mike had his cash, KNEW that the drugs he was going to inject him with would kill him and not wake him up, got the cash, and got out unnoticed as well. Oh, and he also has ties with the LAPD so the tapes would be gone and the fingerprints not checked until the defence got a hold of it. So the thief story doesn't really sound convincing, a thief has no LAPD connections like that, or that much luck. MJ knew how protect himself, a thief could never get this far, BS. If people do believe this could have happened, they would also believe that the bodyguards and the LAPD are involved to cover it all up and send Murray to jail for it instead. In that case they would have made SURE that the fingerprints would have matched Murray's, they would have planted evidence against him. This story doesn't make sense at all.
I found this, how someone can implant other fingerprints. It could be that tampered with the evidence. If you read this it will be more explicit. If this is not what you mean Souza I cannot find what you are trying to say.
http://www.wikihow.com/Fake-Fingerprints (http://www.wikihow.com/Fake-Fingerprints)
In order to fake a fingerprint, one needs an original first. Latent fingerprints are nothing but fat and sweat on touched items. Thus to retrieve someone else's fingerprint (in this case the fingerprint you want to forge) one should rely on well tested forensic research methods. Which is what's to be explained here.
Steps1 Find some good counterfeits. A good source of originals for our counterfeits are glasses, doorknobs and glossy paper. The standard method of forensic research makes them visible: Sprinkling it with colored powder, which sticks to the fat.
Biometric AuthenticationWV: Leader in Competitive Global Biometrics Market, Opportunities.
http://www.biometricswv.com (http://www.biometricswv.com)
2 Try something related to superglue. Another solution involves Cyanoacrylat, the main ingredient of superglue. A small amount thereof is poured into a bottlecap, which is then turned upside down and put over the fingerprint.
The Cyanoacrylat gasses out and reacts with the fat residue to a solid, white substance
3 Get a digital reproduction. The further treatment involves scanning/photographing (Figure 5) and a bit of graphical refurbishment.
The goal is to get an exact image of the fingerprint, for further use as mold, out of which the dummy is made. The easiest way is to print the image on a transparency slide (the ones normally used for an overhead projector) with a laser printer. The toner forms a relief, which is later used similar to letter press printing. Wood glue is suitable for producing the dummy.
4 Use a small dash of glycerene to optimize humidity and workability. After thorough mixing, the dummy gets coated with a thin layer of the compound.
5 After the glue has dried (Figure 10), pull off the foil (Figure 11) and cut it to finger size.
6 Glue the counterfeit to your own finger. Theatrical glue is used to glue the dummy onto the own finger. The new identity is ready!
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story is finally starting to spread now: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/new ... s.html?rss (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a315015/prints-on-michael-jackson-syringe-not-murrays.html?rss)
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Japan 'fake fingerprints' arrest
A Chinese woman managed to enter Japan illegally by having plastic surgery to alter her fingerprints, thus fooling immigration controls, police claim.
Lin Rong, 27, had previously been deported from Japan for overstaying her visa. She was only discovered when she was arrested on separate charges.
Tokyo police said she had paid $15,000 (£9,000) to have the surgery in China.
It is Japan's first case of alleged biometric fraud, but police believe the practice may be widespread.
Japanese police suspect Chinese brokers of taking huge sums to modify fingerprints surgically.
Local media reports said Ms Lin had undergone surgery to swap the fingerprints from her right and left hands.
Skin patches on her thumbs and index fingers were removed and then re-grafted on to the matching digits of the opposite hand.
Japanese newspapers said police had noticed that Ms Lin's fingers had unnatural scars when she was arrested last month for allegedly faking a marriage to a Japanese man.
The apparent ability of illegal migration networks to break through hi-tech controls suggests that other countries who fingerprint visitors could be equally vulnerable - not least the United States, according to BBC Asia analyst Andre Vornic.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/a ... 400222.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/8400222.stm)
Published: 2009/12/07 18:27:01 GMT
© BBC 2011
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8400222.stm
Encyclopedia of Biometrics
http://books.google.de/books?id=0bQbOYVULQcC&pg=PA459&lpg=PA459&dq=fingerprints+fake+hands&source=bl&ots=hGziXcsL7A&sig=8MX5Iop-dPrsBRHcM0BX6_8k9A0&hl=en&ei=2FirTbfSMc6eOpb_yNkJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=fingerprints%20fake%20hands&f=false
Fingerprint generation
http://biolab.csr.unibo.it/research.asp?organize=Activities&select=&selObj=12&pathSubj=111||12&
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This is really hard to believe, specially from one source.
Okay, it is easy to say I did expect this news or gossip or whatever you call it. So I can laugh about it or I can let my imagination flow and start to make a theory out of it. Although Murray is innocent, there must be a trial, because it is leading part of the hoax which should draw massive media attention in order to bring out MJ's message expressed in a revealing movie.
My - perhaps a bit too imaginary - theory is that the scenario could be that an "unknown" person managed to sneak into the house and supposedly killed MJ by using the propofol filled syringe and stole the cash. "Unfortunately", we missed the part of the sneaking intruder on tape ;) . I remember the TMZ article dated 01/25/2011 'Dr. Murray -- Dead Body Found in Courthouse Sweep' viewtopic.php?f=172&t=17531&hilit=sweep (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=17531&hilit=sweep), and I was thinking somehow the dead body must be a part of the puzzle. The found corpse must have been the intruder who "killed" MJ. Probably he was killed because of the money. This is all a hoax movie scenario. So in reality MJ is NOT killed, Murray is innocent and there was no intruder, but it has been made up to create a scapegoat. And they all live happily ever after...
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ahahah this i funny, their letting people with out brains know that Murry could walk. but i am sure that this thing will not even go as fair as a verdict from the jury. the fact that the police did not do their job and locking down the place, and the family was parading around in the house, will result in a mistrial. they cant use anything from the house in the case. it;s all tampered with. and the family should be in jail for distraction of evidence. (but that is why i know it's a hoax) :lol:
there is nothing that proves that he was in that house. what the people say is just he said she said to a lot of people, it is the test, fingerprints , hair samples,ect, that make the trail. if they try to use anything from the house in the trail they will be breaking the law.
ahahha love it :D
why wouldn't murry's team use the scene not being secured as a line of defense from the get go?
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"And it supports his theory that a "Mr X" injected Jacko with a lethal dose of Propofol - before stealing more than a million dollars of his cash and fleeing.
Police will not be able to disprove Murray easily because in another twist they have LOST 24 hours of CCTV footage from Jacko's mansion that would have shown exactly who was inside when he died.
A source close to the case told the News of the World: "The mystery fingerprints are the biggest breakthrough for Murray so far. If it is handled right it would mean a jury cannot convict him. "
Before it was Michael who injected fatal dose himself. Now it is Mr.X who's fingerprints found just now...... since LAPD "lost" tapes.
Since it is a hoax, then everything goes in order so no one would be convicted.
BTW, FBI can find whos fingerprints are those within 24 hours. Are they going to check that out or maybe FBI will "lose" fingerprints.
Even with murder theory, all this looks crap.
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"And it supports his theory that a "Mr X" injected Jacko with a lethal dose of Propofol - before stealing more than a million dollars of his cash and fleeing.
Police will not be able to disprove Murray easily because in another twist they have LOST 24 hours of CCTV footage from Jacko's mansion that would have shown exactly who was inside when he died.
A source close to the case told the News of the World: "The mystery fingerprints are the biggest breakthrough for Murray so far. If it is handled right it would mean a jury cannot convict him. "
Before it was Michael who injected fatal dose himself. Now it is Mr.X who's fingerprints found just now...... since LAPD "lost" tapes.
Since it is a hoax, then everything goes in order so no one would be convicted.
BTW, FBI can find whos fingerprints are those within 24 hours. Are they going to check that out or maybe FBI will "lose" fingerprints.
Even with murder theory, all this looks crap.
That's what I find weird, with all this new technology, they say the FBI can see through your roof by satelite, you mean to say they cannot find the finger print on the syringe. Ma give me a break? All a hoax.. They have to say that now so to prepare us that Murray will not go to jail.. Michael is coming home soon..
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Jacko jab dabs ‘will clear doc’
By CAROLINE GRANT
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... d-him.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3531926/Fingerprints-on-the-syringe-that-killed-Michael-Jackson-show-intruder-murdered-him.html)
Published: Today
MYSTERY fingerprints on the syringe that killed Michael Jackson were being investigated - amid claims they point to an intruder murdering the superstar.
The prints are not those of Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray, who faces trial next month despite always denying he gave the singer a lethal jab of sedative.
Dr Murray, 57, says it backs his theory a robber crept into the Los Angeles home of the Thriller star, 50, and swiped a million dollars.
The prints do not match any member of Jacko's family or staff.
A source said of the medic's looming trial for involuntary manslaughter: "A jury cannot convict.
"Murray and Michael were the only ones supposedly at the house at the time, but the prints point to someone else using the fatal syringe."
Murray's jubilant legal team will insist to jurors: "If the print doesn't fit, you must acquit."
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Jacko jab dabs ‘will clear doc’
By CAROLINE GRANT
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... d-him.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3531926/Fingerprints-on-the-syringe-that-killed-Michael-Jackson-show-intruder-murdered-him.html)
Published: Today
MYSTERY fingerprints on the syringe that killed Michael Jackson were being investigated - amid claims they point to an intruder murdering the superstar.
The prints are not those of Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray, who faces trial next month despite always denying he gave the singer a lethal jab of sedative.
Dr Murray, 57, says it backs his theory a robber crept into the Los Angeles home of the Thriller star, 50, and swiped a million dollars.
The prints do not match any member of Jacko's family or staff.
A source said of the medic's looming trial for involuntary manslaughter: "A jury cannot convict.
"Murray and Michael were the only ones supposedly at the house at the time, but the prints point to someone else using the fatal syringe."
Murray's jubilant legal team will insist to jurors: "If the print doesn't fit, you must acquit."
Ok this is my theory, if an intruder killed Michael, he must know Michael, and has gone to the house several times and knows where Michael room is and has stashed the money. I for eg: never been to Michael's house, do not know where his room is, that house was guarded with bodyguards, cooks children, and Murray, so how can i get in with security and start looking for Michael's room and the money. I will never end. Did you see the size of that house? A normal theif and killer will not be able to do so. He would have been caught. If and I say If Michael was murdered this was done by an insider.
This is a theory to throw us off coarse. Michael is alive and now they have to find a way to acquit Murray, they will not let him go to jail for no reason. Michael will never do that to an innocent man God bless.
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by VeryLittleSusie » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:28 am
Guys, this is like in a movie! We don't know who killed until the end!
Put your 3d hoax glasses on and keep watching!
<TMZ is also a tabloid trash, yet we all follow it every day>
it does play like a movie scrip. We don't know who is the bad guy until the very end.
It is quite a possibility to say that Mr. X gave the fatal dose and the camera footage is lost and no one can find him. And the story is being run from a tabloid to test the waters.
We have to wait for the trial.
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"And it supports his theory that a "Mr X" injected Jacko with a lethal dose of Propofol - before stealing more than a million dollars of his cash and fleeing.
Police will not be able to disprove Murray easily because in another twist they have LOST 24 hours of CCTV footage from Jacko's mansion that would have shown exactly who was inside when he died.
A source close to the case told the News of the World: "The mystery fingerprints are the biggest breakthrough for Murray so far. If it is handled right it would mean a jury cannot convict him. "
Before it was Michael who injected fatal dose himself. Now it is Mr.X who's fingerprints found just now...... since LAPD "lost" tapes.
Since it is a hoax, then everything goes in order so no one would be convicted.
BTW, FBI can find whos fingerprints are those within 24 hours. Are they going to check that out or maybe FBI will "lose" fingerprints.
Even with murder theory, all this looks crap.
That's what I find weird, with all this new technology, they say the FBI can see through your roof by satelite, you mean to say they cannot find the finger print on the syringe. Ma give me a break? All a hoax.. They have to say that now so to prepare us that Murray will not go to jail.. Michael is coming home soon..
Step by step media is preparing the stage, the global audience, to watch Conrad Murray walk free, clear from any accusations!
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Jacko jab dabs ‘will clear doc’
By CAROLINE GRANT
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... d-him.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3531926/Fingerprints-on-the-syringe-that-killed-Michael-Jackson-show-intruder-murdered-him.html)
Published: Today
MYSTERY fingerprints on the syringe that killed Michael Jackson were being investigated - amid claims they point to an intruder murdering the superstar.
:lol: :lol: 1. Intruder I suppose was after $$, then why kill Michael and HOW HE/SHE KNEW WHERE MONEY IS?
2. WHERE WERE SECURITY, BODY GUARDS, or Murray, and OTHERS IN THAT HOUSE? Everybody were sleeping under Propofol? 3. IF SUPPOSEDLY LAPD HAD TAPES IN T HE BEGINNING, "BEFORE THEY LOST IT", THEN LAPD SHOULD HAVE SEEN INTRUDER, WHY THIS ACCUSATION,INVESTIGATION AND PRELIM WITH MURRAY?
Nothing is add up.
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Jacko jab dabs ‘will clear doc’
By CAROLINE GRANT
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... d-him.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3531926/Fingerprints-on-the-syringe-that-killed-Michael-Jackson-show-intruder-murdered-him.html)
Published: Today
MYSTERY fingerprints on the syringe that killed Michael Jackson were being investigated - amid claims they point to an intruder murdering the superstar.
:lol: :lol: 1. Intruder I suppose was after $$, then why kill Michael and HOW HE/SHE KNEW WHERE MONEY IS?
2. WHERE WERE SECURITY, BODY GUARDS, or Murray, and OTHERS IN THAT HOUSE? Everybody were sleeping under Propofol? 3. IF SUPPOSEDLY LAPD HAD TAPES IN T HE BEGINNING, "BEFORE THEY LOST IT", THEN LAPD SHOULD HAVE SEEN INTRUDER, WHY THIS ACCUSATION,INVESTIGATION AND PRELIM WITH MURRAY?
Nothing is add up.
One more thing I forgot to write 4. MURRAY FINGERPRINTS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON SYRINGE BECAUSE HE SUPPOSE TO WEAR GLOVES WORKING WITH IV, INJECTIONS ON THE PATIENT.
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I don't think 'Mr X' fingerprints will help Murray to walk because they can just say Murray was an accomplice.
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I don't think 'Mr X' fingerprints will help Murray to walk because they can just say Murray was an accomplice.
They can say whatever they want, but reasonable doubt means aqcuittal.
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So how do they know which syringe was used to administer the fatal dose? Is it labeled "syringe used to administer fatal dose"? If not, how can they tell? Just because it's one they found at the scene doesn't mean it's the one that supposedly killed MJ. There was apparently a whole box of syringes there and who knows how long the syringe they found had been lying around. :roll: If this is what they are going with then I'm convinced I could do a better job of investigating than these people. I think they should call up the cast from the tv series CSI and get some pointers. :lol:
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If it's really true that Murray's fingerprints aren't on the "fatal syringe", then I suspect this will lead to an acquittal. Although for some reason, I still keep feeling like there isn't even going to be trial.
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One question....
Who told the media that MJ had cash stashed in the house ????
Was it members of the family ???
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News of the World... I remember years back they had a cover story "Mermaid Found in Tuna Sandwich". It was literally a Barbie between two pieces of bread.
I'm really not inclined to put any credence in an article by that publication...
I think you are thinking of a different tabloid... not the UK one.
No, the US one. I saw it in Cali.
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News of the World... I remember years back they had a cover story "Mermaid Found in Tuna Sandwich". It was literally a Barbie between two pieces of bread.
I'm really not inclined to put any credence in an article by that publication...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
We should be glad that they didn't find Michael in a hotdog. :lol:
Yet... you know it's only a matter of time! :lol:
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One question....
Who told the media that MJ had cash stashed in the house ????
Was it members of the family ???
I remember La Toya saying that
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This is Murray's 'get out of jail' card so he can walk free from this hoax when it ends, it's all part of the storyline, the final act in this MJ production, Murray's job is done. The reason the money went missing is because MJ took it with him to live off during the hoax.
I wouldn't be surprised if MJ had fake fingerprints made that match NOBODY, put them on the syringe and left it in the room!
By all accounts, the trial will be loaded with clues, Murray will walk free (and probably disappear) then we will get MJ's dramatic return in July.
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One question....
Who told the media that MJ had cash stashed in the house ????
Was it members of the family ???
I remember La Toya saying that
Thankyou.....So she knew about it and told the media and not the police, right ???
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Would Tohme Tohme be considered staff, and if he's not then maybe his fingerprints aren't included. When TS was asked about him, he said he could not give out information on him (sounds like he knows something but can't say--why?) Maybe TT's still got a big role to play in this hoax. He is in the witness list.
LaToya says,
After returning from the hospital with the children and her mother to Katherine’s home, they received a troubling call from the Jackson mansion. It was Michael’s long-term assistant Michael Amin, a devout Muslim known as Brother Michael.
He told La Toya that her brother’s Lebanese-born, self-appointed business manager Dr Tohme Tohme had fired all the staff at the Beverly Hills property and at a second rented home in Las Vegas.
‘I want to know how Michael died, and then, at 11pm on the day he dies, all the staff are fired?’ she asks rhetorically. ‘That raised my suspicions.’
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=621092 (http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=621092)
Also this:
We also believe that yet another person will be involved, the “mysterious” Dr. Tohme Tohme, who recently “returned” $5.5 million in “secret cash” and items from Neverland which belonged to Jackson and which were originally slated to be auctioned off prior to Jackson’s death to the Jackson estate.
According to ABC, Dr. Tohme, Jackson’s “unpaid adviser”, recently turned over to the Jackson estate $5.5 million in ”secret cash” and a “substantial amount of tangible personal property”. Property which were Jackson’s personal Neverland items that were once slated to be auctioned.
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9545&p=160043&hilit=tohme+returned+the+money#p160043 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9545&p=160043&hilit=tohme+returned+the+money#p160043)
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I don't know if it means anything but after some searching I came upon this movie. I thought it was interesting because it's about some kind of hero who is supposed to be dead but he is still alive!
http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmrecensies.net%2Ffilmbesprekingen%2F1874%2FMister-X.html&act=url
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One question....
Who told the media that MJ had cash stashed in the house ????
Was it members of the family ???
I remember La Toya saying that
Thankyou.....So she knew about it and told the media and not the police, right ???
No, guys, ithat was Grace Rwaramba, the nanny.
Here is a scan from her infamous interview she gave reporter Daphne Barak (Headline: GIVE ME THE MONEY - Family member hunts for cash hours after Michael Jackson`s death
http://daphnebarak.homestead.com/Grace_ ... d_copy.pdf (http://daphnebarak.homestead.com/Grace_Rwaramba_20090708205128_printed_copy.pdf)
online it`s better readable here
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/ne ... ramba.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/news/381738/Michael-Jackson-family-hunted-for-cash-hours-after-death-says-nanny-Grace-Rwaramba.html)
and later denied she even did that interview at all.
Among other things she supposedly said on June, 26:
As she prepared to board a plane to fly home and comfort the orphaned kids Grace got the call from one of the Jackson family which shocked her to the core.
She told interviewer Daphne Barak: "The relative said, 'Grace, you remember Michael used to hide cash at the house? I'm here. Where can it be?'
"I told them to look in the garbage bags and under the carpets. But can you believe that? They just lost Michael a few hours ago and already one of them is calling me to know where the money is! .(...)
The relative later turned out to be Katherine.
However, eventually the children found out about what she had said and she got fired because of that, I guess. Look here http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/sh ... Paris.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/showbiz/821761/MICHAEL-Jacksonrsquos-nanny-fired-after-clash-with-his-daughter-Paris.html)
For NOTW she seems to always be a good "source of stories".
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So the family were tearing the place up looking for cash hours after MJ had passed... and before the LAPD had locked down the scene.
For that reason alone, Murray would walk free as it messes up the scene of crime and continuity of evidence completely.
Who knows what they moved and touched... what they removed... and what they brought in with them......
Murray will walk.... whether MJ is dead or alive.. he is a free man.
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it can be they removed the million dollars who knows. The more days passes by the more confusing it gets. ;)
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I doubt he kept a million (or more) in cash at home. Just imagine the amount of "paper" that would have been. Under the rugs? In carbage bags? Noooo ...
But I wonder who would have known about the cash. Must at least have been the one who got it for Michael (or did he go to the bank himself? ) Since Grace was no loger around ... (she stated it used to be her turn).
And the family? How could they possible know how much it was? I am sure this was not an issue Michael would have talked about (if they talked at all).
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@Aintnosunshine I have read several articles about MJ which state he did tend to keep large wads of cash in the house. It was one of his habits, apparently.
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It's smart to keep cash. Of course he did so.
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I am afraid I expressed myself a little too ambigious. :(
I didn`t mean I doubt THAT he had cash at home (ad people knowig about this), I just don`t think it would have been that much (million or more).
And I wondered who of his entourage would have known WHERE it was. Family obviously didn`t.
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ahahah this i funny, their letting people with out brains know that Murry could walk. but i am sure that this thing will not even go as fair as a verdict from the jury. the fact that the police did not do their job and locking down the place, and the family was parading around in the house, will result in a mistrial. they cant use anything from the house in the case. it;s all tampered with. and the family should be in jail for distraction of evidence. (but that is why i know it's a hoax) :lol:
there is nothing that proves that he was in that house. what the people say is just he said she said to a lot of people, it is the test, fingerprints , hair samples,ect, that make the trail. if they try to use anything from the house in the trail they will be breaking the law.
ahahha love it :D
why wouldn't Murry's team use the scene not being secured as a line of defense from the get go?
no no no they cant say anything about it right now. you see if Murry team set back and wait for the other side to use anything from the house, they can call false evidence. once they tell the judge that they are using evidence that was tamper with, the judge has to call a mistrial that very moment. its the same thing that tom Snadden did to Micheal, he gave that boy the magazine, then send it out for prints. the trail should have ended and Snadden should have been put away.
but that is if they chose to use that, who knows, i read a story of one guy going through a whole trail before, knowing that he could end it at anything b/c the cops didn't read him his rights.
if they had said anything before the trail started, then the other team will just take it out.
what gets me is that the other side has to know that they cant use anything from that house. i mean i am a person with out any legal learning and i know that, but then again it;s a hoax right, nothing is real, this is probable the plan, to have it were there will be no trail. :D
no wounder the guy doesn't look afraid at all
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ahahah this i funny, their letting people with out brains know that Murry could walk. but i am sure that this thing will not even go as fair as a verdict from the jury. the fact that the police did not do their job and locking down the place, and the family was parading around in the house, will result in a mistrial. they cant use anything from the house in the case. it;s all tampered with. and the family should be in jail for distraction of evidence. (but that is why i know it's a hoax) :lol:
there is nothing that proves that he was in that house. what the people say is just he said she said to a lot of people, it is the test, fingerprints , hair samples,ect, that make the trail. if they try to use anything from the house in the trail they will be breaking the law.
ahahha love it :D
why wouldn't Murry's team use the scene not being secured as a line of defense from the get go?
no no no they cant say anything about it right now. you see if Murry team set back and wait for the other side to use anything from the house, they can call false evidence. once they tell the judge that they are using evidence that was tamper with, the judge has to call a mistrial that very moment. its the same thing that tom Snadden did to Micheal, he gave that boy the magazine, then send it out for prints. the trail should have ended and Snadden should have been put away.
but that is if they chose to use that, who knows, i read a story of one guy going through a whole trail before, knowing that he could end it at anything b/c the cops didn't read him his rights.
if they had said anything before the trail started, then the other team will just take it out.
what gets me is that the other side has to know that they cant use anything from that house. i mean i am a person with out any legal learning and i know that, but then again it;s a hoax right, nothing is real, this is probable the plan, to have it were there will be no trail. :D
no wounder the guy doesn't look afraid at all
even if they cant use anything room the house, there can still be a trail if they take it out. so they will still have to go through he trail all the way up to the verdict. if they wait from the other side to mess up and use evidence from the house, they could end it on the first day and Murry will have all charges drooped.
and i thank there are sighs that this will happen, many time there have been story that have come out on the new say that they want to get this one as soon as possible.
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If this was a premeditated murder, it is logical that there would be not anyone's fingerprint. A killer must know that the gloves are!
What's happening? From what I remember, the principle Murray said he injected propofol on Michael, but a dose unable to kill him!
This will not ever end? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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I doubt he kept a million (or more) in cash at home. Just imagine the amount of "paper" that would have been. Under the rugs? In carbage bags? Noooo ...
The money supposed to be the "cream" Doc Murray had to return for?
The documents also detail an odd encounter with Murray after Jackson was declared dead at a nearby hospital. Murray insisted he needed to return to the mansion to get cream that Jackson had "so the world wouldn't find out about it," according to the statements, which provide no elaboration.
http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2010/03/witness_michael_jacksons_docto.html
Except that AP's story is well made up as to sensationalism, I am not considering even half of it to be true.
As if AP were fulfilling the role of investigative journalism.
AP as well as other press agencies are living from being a bin for PR informations others are throwing into them (on purpose) and diffusing that by selling that content no matter if true or not to other diffusers.
Press agencies are living on the word and the mouthes and on sprinkling no matter what they are fed with.
Simplified: they live on gossip.
Again the missing money, cream, vials or whatever was said to have been part of the story is a puzzle piece of efforts to gossip-tinting Michael's life again.
IMO missing money is not true in the chain of events on June 25.
In the chain of events in Michael's life, I think missing money played a huge role (but this fact was not considered to be off-standard in public opinion).
Were there ever days without any leaches and without any lawsuit pending?
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This is Murray's 'get out of jail' card so he can walk free from this hoax when it ends, it's all part of the storyline, the final act in this MJ production, Murray's job is done. The reason the money went missing is because MJ took it with him to live off during the hoax.
I wouldn't be surprised if MJ had fake fingerprints made that match NOBODY, put them on the syringe and left it in the room!
By all accounts, the trial will be loaded with clues, Murray will walk free (and probably disappear) then we will get MJ's dramatic return in July.
It makes lot of sense.
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One question....
Who told the media that MJ had cash stashed in the house ????
Was it members of the family ???
I remember La Toya saying that
Thankyou.....So she knew about it and told the media and not the police, right ???
She told the media when Michael supposedly died.
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ahahah this i funny, their letting people with out brains know that Murry could walk. but i am sure that this thing will not even go as fair as a verdict from the jury. the fact that the police did not do their job and locking down the place, and the family was parading around in the house, will result in a mistrial. they cant use anything from the house in the case. it;s all tampered with. and the family should be in jail for distraction of evidence. (but that is why i know it's a hoax) :lol:
there is nothing that proves that he was in that house. what the people say is just he said she said to a lot of people, it is the test, fingerprints , hair samples,ect, that make the trail. if they try to use anything from the house in the trail they will be breaking the law.
ahahha love it :D
why wouldn't Murry's team use the scene not being secured as a line of defense from the get go?
no no no they cant say anything about it right now. you see if Murry team set back and wait for the other side to use anything from the house, they can call false evidence. once they tell the judge that they are using evidence that was tamper with, the judge has to call a mistrial that very moment. its the same thing that tom Snadden did to Micheal, he gave that boy the magazine, then send it out for prints. the trail should have ended and Snadden should have been put away.
but that is if they chose to use that, who knows, i read a story of one guy going through a whole trail before, knowing that he could end it at anything b/c the cops didn't read him his rights.
if they had said anything before the trail started, then the other team will just take it out.
what gets me is that the other side has to know that they cant use anything from that house. i mean i am a person with out any legal learning and i know that, but then again it;s a hoax right, nothing is real, this is probable the plan, to have it were there will be no trail. :D
no wounder the guy doesn't look afraid at all
even if they cant use anything room the house, there can still be a trail if they take it out. so they will still have to go through he trail all the way up to the verdict. if they wait from the other side to mess up and use evidence from the house, they could end it on the first day and Murry will have all charges drooped.
and i thank there are sighs that this will happen, many time there have been story that have come out on the new say that they want to get this one as soon as possible.
i see what you mean. from the standpoint of murry being innocent.so it is just another thing that lets info out but doesn't allow it to be used in trial also. i think :?
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Just realized, the fingerprints parallel the 2005 trial.
Fingerprints=planted evidence by Tom Sneadon in an attempt to frame MJ.
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Just realized, the fingerprints parallel the 2005 trial.
Fingerprints=planted evidence by Tom Sneadon in an attempt to frame MJ.
Yep, not the only planted evidence then and now.
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Tohme Tohme also took money from the house, five million or something like that," and she returned? :?
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Michael took the money when he left, He needed the money where he was hidding that is for sure. There is no mr. X and Michael is alive. This is all fabrications from court, they have to show us it is a real court. So let's play along.
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This is an interesting video and maybe this explains the Mr X issue. I do believe that Mr X is Michael himself.
[youtube:3mlms5mn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92qn7cpfc4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3mlms5mn]
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What puzzles me is the syringe. Why did they auction the syringe when they need it for evidence for court? They just saw for finger prints and said well let's make money and auction the syringe.. We don't need to show this syringe as evidence to court. How are the jury going to make a verdict if they don't see. When they have evidence you do not get rid of the evidence before the trial. You wait after the trial to auction it. This is another off thing that does not make sense.
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If this was a premeditated murder, it is logical that there would be not anyone's fingerprint. A killer must know that the gloves are!
Exactly! And if this was a premeditated murder, then Mr or Mrs X (how can they be sure of gender ;) ) is a crappy assassin as they LEFT THE SYRINGE BEHIND TO BE FOUND WITH THEIR PRINTS ON IT... :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll: ;)
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Grace is a liar, Katherine never called her. She wouldn't have needed to call her because the whole purpose for the money in cash was so MJ could not be traced and had money ready. Katherine is in on this, so she would know every detail. MJ trusts his mother over anyone else and she would never deceive him in any way. I would assume in a real criminal investigation, everyone would be under surveillance. If MJ really has been murdered, then the LAPD is a joke OR very crooked OR in on this. I don't believe they are stupid, maybe a little crooked lol, but not enough to get away with hiding evidence from the potential murder case of the Most Well Known Public Figure since FOREVER! Perhaps MJ is more powerful than any of us guessed ;)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7900000/MJ-And-The-Detroit-Police-1984-michael-jackson-7957934-625-1100.jpg)
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What puzzles me is the syringe. Why did they auction the syringe when they need it for evidence for court? They just saw for finger prints and said well let's make money and auction the syringe.. We don't need to show this syringe as evidence to court. How are the jury going to make a verdict if they don't see. When they have evidence you do not get rid of the evidence before the trial. You wait after the trial to auction it. This is another off thing that does not make sense.
Don't believe everything you read, its another message from MJ. Stop relying on EVERYTHING you read. Wait until the truth and substantial evidence is shown and then believe. They're always making up outlandish stories pertaining to Michael. I just think that now, he's the one selling the stories or perhaps someone close to him is putting out these contradictive stories. And the tabloids are eating it up like a big fat liar fish takes bait.
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What puzzles me is the syringe. Why did they auction the syringe when they need it for evidence for court? They just saw for finger prints and said well let's make money and auction the syringe.. We don't need to show this syringe as evidence to court. How are the jury going to make a verdict if they don't see. When they have evidence you do not get rid of the evidence before the trial. You wait after the trial to auction it. This is another off thing that does not make sense.
For me, I think I just never believed it was real...either the syringe itself or even the whole auction. It was just too odd that it would be auctioned off...and so soon. You are totally right that they would need that for evidence. If it was stolen and they were trying to auction it, the police should have stepped in. If it was not stolen, it should have remained in the hands of the police. I just don't buy that it was real....maybe it's just me~ :roll: "sigh"
Blessings Always
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What puzzles me is the syringe. Why did they auction the syringe when they need it for evidence for court? They just saw for finger prints and said well let's make money and auction the syringe.. We don't need to show this syringe as evidence to court. How are the jury going to make a verdict if they don't see. When they have evidence you do not get rid of the evidence before the trial. You wait after the trial to auction it. This is another off thing that does not make sense.
For me, I think I just never believed it was real...either the syringe itself or even the whole auction. It was just too odd that it would be auctioned off...and so soon. You are totally right that they would need that for evidence. If it was stolen and they were trying to auction it, the police should have stepped in. If it was not stolen, it should have remained in the hands of the police. I just don't buy that it was real....maybe it's just me~ :roll: "sigh"
Blessings Always
You would think that a 'reputable' (and I use that term loosely) media outlet would have have addressed the syringe auction when it was first mentioned by tabloids. Instead, MSN, CNN, etc also ran articles about the "fatal syringe" being auctioned off. Obviously if a syringe was used, it should have been gathered and kept for evidence, so I can't believe that no media outlet ever addressed that. In fact, that is the very thing that has turned me away from all media outlets. Even the 'reputable' ones are just out looking for a story. I can't even watch the news anymore, as everything (including the weather!) has to be a 'story'. It drives me nuts. I've also never believed everything that I read in newspapers (the non-tabloid ones), but now I don't really believe anything in them either. If something isn't examined and/or addressed in a scholarly journal, I tend not to believe it.
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@2good2betrue The article says the prints dont match any of the Jackson family.
But how would they know that??? Did they have all the family give their fingerprints when they are not even suspects??
Yes, they could have given prints to help the investigation. Its not uncommon.
For example.. if your house gets burgled, the cops will take your prints in order to discount them from any they find at the scene.
Wait... im not sure if its the same in the US but here in the UK someone has to be arrested before the police can take their fingerprints or question them...?? :?
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Okay soo....
1. Why would Michael have $1million cash stashed in his house?? (unless he would need it sometime soon..)
2. Is the security reaaally that bad there that some randomer could just walk in.. kill mike and leave without murray, the kids or the chef seeing or hearing anything -afterall.. they were there right?
3. If this was a murder then the killer is the dumbest schmuck EVER for leaving the needle there with prints on it!!
4. Why the hell would the needle be auctioned off? The investigation isnt even closed the needle is like THE main piece of evidence :roll:
5. What kinda investigation dept doesnt check the needle for prints until 2 years later?! helloo? would this not be the first thing to do?
6. If its the same in the US as in the UK then all family members would have to have been arrested for their finger prints to be taken?? Pretty sure that never happened.
So... answer time..
1. Michael must have known he was gona be needing this money at some point right? So what for? And why couldnt he just whack it out the bank when he needed it? Maybe cause he knew this would look strange if a "DEAD" guy suddenly decides to empty his bank?
2. The cctv tapes go missing... soo.. we have a killer who is too stupid to burn the evidence but has the brains to take the tapes. Yeah. Realistic. OR.....
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...OR... the family or Michael take the tapes to hide what actually happened... now admit it... them tapes would be a great feature in a film of michaels return... "The making of the HOAX" ... anyways.. you get the jist.
3. Again prints on the needle? Whose could they be? They dont belong to anyone in the jackson family.. theyre not murrays.. so from that... the only other person who i know was there... is the chef...or Michael.. now... surely they already have mikes fingerprints on record from that 2005 trial..? so they wouldnt see any need to check again to make sure.. i.e. theyre not gona fingerprint a "dead" guy... so maybe its a bit far fetched but going back to that story about the woman getting her fingerprints changed? say hed had that done since 2005... that rules him out right? ;)
4. Auctioning the needle... not sure i can fin a reason behind this other than .. ehemm.. BS.
5. As for the investigators not looking at the needle.. just screams fake and hoax if you ask me.. but then theyve been pretty lousy all the way right? Or maybe they knew there was no need to check it cause it would just tell them what they already know..now theyre just realising. ahh crap... people are gona start asking why this wasnt checked.. maybe we had better cover our backs... ?
6. Really gona arrest the whole Jackson family just to get some fingerprints? Not gona look deep into this cause as i said - not sure its the same in the US.
L.O.V.E
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@2good2betrue The article says the prints dont match any of the Jackson family.
But how would they know that??? Did they have all the family give their fingerprints when they are not even suspects??
Yes, they could have given prints to help the investigation. Its not uncommon.
For example.. if your house gets burgled, the cops will take your prints in order to discount them from any they find at the scene.
Wait... im not sure if its the same in the US but here in the UK someone has to be arrested before the police can take their fingerprints or question them...?? :?
When authorities are trying to solve a crime, they will want to rule out 'known fingerprints', such as those belonging to a family member or employee, so they can focus on the fingerprints that shouldn't be there. So, the LAPD probably did gather fingerprints from anyone who would have had access to the house so they could be ruled out. It's a very common practice in the US. In fact, some of the people's fingerprints (security, kids, maybe even the nanny or cook) were probably already on file. I suspect that people in the security field must have background checks at some point, so their fingerprints would probably already be on file, and Michael may have had his kids fingerprinted at some point for security reasons.
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I agree with you 100%!
If they did auction off the needle than they have NO EVIDENCE!
This story is getting deeper and deeper DOWN THE RABBIT WHOLE! :shock:
THE END IS ALMOST HERE :D
Okay soo....
1. Why would Michael have $1million cash stashed in his house?? (unless he would need it sometime soon..)
2. Is the security reaaally that bad there that some randomer could just walk in.. kill mike and leave without murray, the kids or the chef seeing or hearing anything -afterall.. they were there right?
3. If this was a murder then the killer is the dumbest schmuck EVER for leaving the needle there with prints on it!!
4. Why the hell would the needle be auctioned off? The investigation isnt even closed the needle is like THE main piece of evidence
5. What kinda investigation dept doesnt check the needle for prints until 2 years later?! helloo? would this not be the first thing to do?
6. If its the same in the US as in the UK then all family members would have to have been arrested for their finger prints to be taken?? Pretty sure that never happened.
So... answer time..
1. Michael must have known he was gona be needing this money at some point right? So what for? And why couldnt he just whack it out the bank when he needed it? Maybe cause he knew this would look strange if a "DEAD" guy suddenly decides to empty his bank?
2. The cctv tapes go missing... soo.. we have a killer who is too stupid to burn the evidence but has the brains to take the tapes. Yeah. Realistic. OR.....