Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: mac5k on April 01, 2011, 09:28:01 AM
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The flowers on the floor was her casket spray ... same colors as Michael for the funeral ...
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2011/86/67312270_130131875820.jpg)
Main corridor entrance from Memorial Terrace
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2011/86/67312270_130131877076.jpg)
More photos on http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67312270
Michael ... new photo ...
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2011/54/38746353_129860831194.jpg)
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Didn't they say Michael is under a window with the Lord's supper over him?? That's not the right glass windows...or...hoaxed!
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I don't want to think anymore about this. No name? She is buried there but no name either. I am too scared. I don't understand anymore anything
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It is weird. Maybe they thought if Michael's grave doesn't need a name, Elizabeth's doesn't need one either. Or maybe, maybe, maybe a special someone whose name starts with M and who was very close to Elizabeth told her she should urge people to not include her name on her grave if she ever died, in order to make his death appear more credible.
I can't think of any proper reasons for celebrities to have no name included on their graves, at least when everybody knows where it's located anyway. Do you know of any other celebrity who was buried that way? Is it a coincidence someone very famous and very close to Michael was buried without a name, just as "he" was?
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It takes up to 90 days for the names to be encrypted, or so I was told. Let's give it 3 months and re-visit to see.
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I don't know if this site is on our forum anyplace, but here it is with maps. It is interesting, and perhaps someone can piece together from the surrounding names in Elizabeth's pic where she is in relation to " Michael.
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http://www.seeing-stars.com/Buried2/For ... ale5.shtml (http://www.seeing-stars.com/Buried2/ForestLawnGlendale5.shtml)
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I don't know if this site is on our forum anyplace, but here it is with maps. It is interesting, and perhaps someone can piece together from the surrounding names in Elizabeth's pic where she is in relation to " Michael.
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http://www.seeing-stars.com/Buried2/For ... ale5.shtml (http://www.seeing-stars.com/Buried2/ForestLawnGlendale5.shtml)
I wanted to do.
I have found the grave of the (which can be seen on the pictures of Liz grave)
His name: Charles Frye Sanborn (More information at this link)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19546
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=19546&PIpi=96311
I wanted to look on a map the connections.
And the distance to MJ's grave.
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I forgot to add .....
I saw his name and his sarcophagus in this picture.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=67312270&PIpi=40279814
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Yeah I'm thinking that first pic for Elizabeth with the flowers is NOT her crypt. If you look at it in your pic it is simply a marble pedestal.
Articles said the she is close to the entrance, well, from the map on my link, if you walk into the entrance, you SEE that angel, angel of Memory. The articles also say she's ADJACENT to that.
"Michael" is at, it looks like, the end of that hall, where the windows are. Off to the side on a columarium, or hall, is the hall of Memory. That has to be entered with a gold key to get in and out. Celebs.
I guess news is saying Elizabeth is near that angel, by the entrance, and near Michael, who is at the end of the hall. THEY SAY.
I don't know how to cut and paste, hopefully someone will..
http://www.seeing-stars.com/Maps/Forest ... mMap.shtml (http://www.seeing-stars.com/Maps/ForestLawnGreatMausoleumMap.shtml)
Also, that article explains my problem I've voiced for almost 2 years, that "michael's" crypt has always been there. It has. Notice the link to a page showing it in 1950.
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I still think she's not there.
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I still think she's not there.
Me too....I'm trying to find discrepancies...but, I'm on the fence as to whether she really died. If she did, I tend to think she's at the other Memorial park. But, if not, it would figure she'd be at FL because she hadn't been attached to someone she loved for a long time and then both her and the men, moved on. All, but Michael. So, to me, the family did purchase plots/crypts/ vaults. As to the number and why..no reasonings there. It would make sense to me, that Elizabeth would want to be by Michael for the reasons I stated, plus her feelings of him being the most pure person she knew. I just think all those plans were for "someday". Not in the past 2 years, until NOW.
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I still think she's not there.
Me too....I'm trying to find discrepancies...but, I'm on the fence as to whether she really died. If she did, I tend to think she's at the other Memorial park. But, if not, it would figure she'd be at FL because she hadn't been attached to someone she loved for a long time and then both her and the men, moved on. All, but Michael. So, to me, the family did purchase plots/crypts/ vaults. As to the number and why..no reasonings there. It would make sense to me, that Elizabeth would want to be by Michael for the reasons I stated, plus her feelings of him being the most pure person she knew. I just think all those plans were for "someday". Not in the past 2 years, until NOW.
fordtocarr - thank you for voicing this thought. I've had my doubts about her death too. I know what people are thinking - we've gone off the deep end and not everyone can hoax their death. Maybe she really has left this earth. IDK. I have a hard time believing that she's there at FL. I also have a hard time believing that she didn't know about the hoax - I believe she did. If she is there it's because she knows that Michael bought "future" crypts. But I don't think she's there either. Blessings.
PS - it does take time to get name plaques engraved. It doesn't take 21 months...but it could take 3 or more months depending on when it's ordered.
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Unfortunately, there is no law that says the relatives have to have the grave marked within a certain time frame....alot of people here in Australia, will have an umarked grave without a tombstone for a long time, even several years. At this point, this really
doesnt mean anything...at least not here in Australia.
My mother passed away, and it took us a while before we placed her name and brought a tombstone for her grave. Maybe, families can't always afford such a thing because funerals are so expensive.
I do believe Elizabeth is dead, because I know alot about congestive heart failure. The prognosis is not a good one with most cases. They may get about 1 year or so from diagnosis, so I'm sure she knew she was dying and had alot of things organised for when she did die.She would have chosen her resting place, and told her family how she wanted to be "looked after".
MJ was ?buried" in Holy Terrace, under the Ascension window...where Jesus is ressurected..........
And that picture with all the flowers, was supposedly taken on the one year anniversary..... God bless xoxox
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Okay, here I go again. Now, it's all over, common knowledge that Michael is in a huge, vault (now. It was a wall crypt with empties around for family) that has the last supper glass window over him. RIGHT? I keep saying, that not only has that vault been there since 1950, but that isn't the last supper pic they keep showing us as Michael's spot.
This is the pic of the last supper...notice, no Michael??
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2009/10 ... -lawn.html (http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/2009/10/last-supper-at-forest-lawn.html)
http://www.forestlawn.com/Special-Event ... Window.asp (http://www.forestlawn.com/Special-Events-And-Facilities/Last-Supper-Window.asp)
Notice the difference in the pics???
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 820912.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6820912.ece)
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It is weird. Maybe they thought if Michael's grave doesn't need a name, Elizabeth's doesn't need one either. Or maybe, maybe, maybe a special someone whose name starts with M and who was very close to Elizabeth told her she should urge people to not include her name on her grave if she ever died, in order to make his death appear more credible.
I can't think of any proper reasons for celebrities to have no name included on their graves, at least when everybody knows where it's located anyway. Do you know of any other celebrity who was buried that way? Is it a coincidence someone very famous and very close to Michael was buried without a name, just as "he" was?
Please don't start this. Elizabeth Taylor did die, but usually it takes about 2 to 3 weeks to have your grave engraved. So lets wait and see. Do not jump into conclusions do not assume. You know what assume stands for ass/u/me.. :lol:
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It is weird. Maybe they thought if Michael's grave doesn't need a name, Elizabeth's doesn't need one either. Or maybe, maybe, maybe a special someone whose name starts with M and who was very close to Elizabeth told her she should urge people to not include her name on her grave if she ever died, in order to make his death appear more credible.
I can't think of any proper reasons for celebrities to have no name included on their graves, at least when everybody knows where it's located anyway. Do you know of any other celebrity who was buried that way? Is it a coincidence someone very famous and very close to Michael was buried without a name, just as "he" was?
Please don't start this. Elizabeth Taylor did die, but usually it takes about 2 to 3 weeks to have your grave engraved. So lets wait and see. Do not jump into conclusions do not assume. You know what assume stands for ass/u/me.. :lol:
True.
Why would she hoax her death anyways? Doesn't sound very wise to me. She isn't like Michael (sorry). :ugeek:
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I don't for one minute think that Liz Taylor hoaxed her death, I am positive she actually died. I am strongly of the opinion that there is no link to Michael's "death" at all.
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Okay, here I go again. Now, it's all over, common knowledge that Michael is in a huge, vault (now. It was a wall crypt with empties around for family) that has the last supper glass window over him. RIGHT?
No, MJs crypt is in Holly Terrace. It is in front of a stained glass window, but not the last supper one.
The last Supper glass window and Liz taylor's crypt are in the Great Mauseleum.
They are two seperate buildings.
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I think Liz really died as well. I just think she was buried elsewhere.
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Okay, here I go again. Now, it's all over, common knowledge that Michael is in a huge, vault (now. It was a wall crypt with empties around for family) that has the last supper glass window over him. RIGHT?
No, MJs crypt is in Holly Terrace. It is in front of a stained glass window, but not the last supper one.
The last Supper glass window and Liz taylor's crypt are in the Great Mauseleum.
They are two seperate buildings.
Okay...Holly Terrace IS part of the Great Mausoleum which is where "Michael" is...(right!) Read the link I posted and a LOT of other ones on the net and on this site, they say he's in front of the Last Supper. That's why I posted the two pics. There are no flowers, etc in front of the Last Supper. They are in front of that vault that has always been there, with the different windows. That's why I say, bull!
So..The great mausoleum has lots of different areas..as Holly Terrace, Memorial Terrace...etc..
Again, mixed up story from the press so to me that again says it's a hoax.
AND...I'm NOT saying Elizabeth is HOAXING her death!!! AT ALL. I may "wonder" but I wasn't going there with these posts. I am saying that the info from the press is NOT correct so there are clues there. And if Michael's is NOT correct, then Elizabeth's is not correct as her's is a spot in relation to his.
NOT that she is NOT there, just not where "they" want us to think they are.
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Okay, here I go again. Now, it's all over, common knowledge that Michael is in a huge, vault (now. It was a wall crypt with empties around for family) that has the last supper glass window over him. RIGHT?
No, MJs crypt is in Holly Terrace. It is in front of a stained glass window, but not the last supper one.
The last Supper glass window and Liz taylor's crypt are in the Great Mauseleum.
They are two seperate buildings.
Okay...Holly Terrace IS part of the Great Mausoleum which is where "Michael" is...(right!) Read the link I posted and a LOT of other ones on the net and on this site, they say he's in front of the Last Supper.
Sorry, hun,, but you are wrong on this one. I know, I have been there. Holly terrace is a seperate building to Great Maseuleum. You cannot walk through from one to the other.
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I come to think of it.. there's gotta be something inside Michael's grave. It can't be empty in case someone breaks in to see it! Wax body? I think so.
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Okay, here I go again. Now, it's all over, common knowledge that Michael is in a huge, vault (now. It was a wall crypt with empties around for family) that has the last supper glass window over him. RIGHT?
No, MJs crypt is in Holly Terrace. It is in front of a stained glass window, but not the last supper one.
The last Supper glass window and Liz taylor's crypt are in the Great Mauseleum.
They are two seperate buildings.
Okay...Holly Terrace IS part of the Great Mausoleum which is where "Michael" is...(right!) Read the link I posted and a LOT of other ones on the net and on this site, they say he's in front of the Last Supper.
Okay...thank you...I've been using MAPs online and the pics with them...
Sorry, hun,, but you are wrong on this one. I know, I have been there. Holly terrace is a seperate building to Great Maseuleum. You cannot walk through from one to the other.
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I don’t believe there’s anyone in Michael’s crypt. Period. Though it’s aesthetically beautiful to look at with the flowers and all, when I see it I only get feelings of cold and isolation. Nothing warm. Why go through all the motions to encrypt a loved one and then leave them abandoned there? I just don’t believe any family would be that heartless. He’s not there. His children don’t even visit. No one unless it’s an “occasion” i.e. death anniversary, birthday, when it is known that the media will be watching. It’s not like he’s buried across the world away from them. The Mausoleum is right there :roll: a few miles driving distance.
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I think Liz is not buried at Forrest and she wished this to give her help until the last to Michael in his hoax.
Only Michael and family really know where she is now. :roll: Maybe one day Mike will tell us... ;) :)
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It is weird. Maybe they thought if Michael's grave doesn't need a name, Elizabeth's doesn't need one either. Or maybe, maybe, maybe a special someone whose name starts with M and who was very close to Elizabeth told her she should urge people to not include her name on her grave if she ever died, in order to make his death appear more credible.
I can't think of any proper reasons for celebrities to have no name included on their graves, at least when everybody knows where it's located anyway. Do you know of any other celebrity who was buried that way? Is it a coincidence someone very famous and very close to Michael was buried without a name, just as "he" was?
Please don't start this. Elizabeth Taylor did die, but usually it takes about 2 to 3 weeks to have your grave engraved. So lets wait and see. Do not jump into conclusions do not assume. You know what assume stands for ass/u/me.. :lol:
I didn't say she hoaxed her death. :? I would never believe that.
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Liz was a great person like Michael, but I doubt she'd hoax her death. She was already pretty old to be able to do anything against the Illuminati.
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I think she is buried at FL.
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I think Liz really died as well. I just think she was buried elsewhere.
Agreed. Possible.
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I think Elizabeth Taylor is buried next to her parents at Westwood Memorial as planned. Knowing how deeply she cared for Michael, she may have made arrangements post June 25, 2009 to use Forest Lawn Glendale as her final resting place, or have us believe this is the case, just to make Mike’s 'burial' more convincing. Since ALL media outlets broadcast her funeral from Forest Lawn, who would doubt her being there and who would bother to look across town at Westwood Memorial? Just my opinion of course…
PS... I've been a believer since the beginning, so a 'newbie' I am not... ;)
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I have the gut feeling she's there. I think she is at FL but don't understand why
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I really don't think she is buried at FL either I think this is a part of the hoax too them saying she is buried near Michael. I know she loved Michael alot but I really don't think she was buried there.
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I think Elizabeth Taylor is buried next to her parents at Westwood Memorial as planned. Knowing how deeply she cared for Michael, she may have made arrangements post June 25, 2009 to use Forest Lawn Glendale as her final resting place, or have us believe this is the case, just to make Mike’s 'burial' more convincing. Since ALL media outlets broadcast her funeral from Forest Lawn, who would doubt her being there and who would bother to look across town at Westwood Memorial? Just my opinion of course…
PS... I've been a believer since the beginning, so a 'newbie' I am not... ;)
Welcome :)
I agree - she would have the financial means to prearrange a fake service at FL. I don't think it's beyond comprehension that she is buried where her parents are but for the sake of the hoax is leading people to believe otherwise. If this is the case though wouldn't her children have to know the reason for doing this?
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I dont agree Liz is buried by her parents. Why would she choose to be buried alongside a man she described as an abusive father, and a mother she described as never showing her love???
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thats not Elizabeth nor Michael's grave. I have been in the mausoleum, i've seen it. Elizabeth's grave is on the other side of the wall , BEHIND that angel. Any member of the public can see that angel when they go in, hence the photograph i guess lol. the angel statue is located in an area of the mausoleum that is open to the public, but the grave itself is out of public view.
Michael is buried UNDERNEATH that window in the photo, i mean underneath as in the floor below that window- the mausoleum has many different floors. both MJ & Elizabeth are out of sight of the public and both have names on them.
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both MJ & Elizabeth are out of sight of the public and both have names on them.
Michael's crypt has his name on it now? Please tell us how you know this if the general public cannot see his crypt. Blessings.
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Actually, I would have to see that with my own eyes. Pictures won't cut it. I don't believe it.
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Liz Taylors grave is accessible to the public, unlike MJs in Holly Terrace.
If anyone here lives in LA it would be great if you could go to The Great Maesuelum when you have time and tell us if Liz has a plaque with her name yet. x
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wait so what the heck is this then?
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2010/281/59849915_128666912180.jpg)
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wait so what the heck is this then?
Its a tribute headstone in Motown. This has been spoken about loads of times. They buried some MJ things like costumes and CD's in a memorial service to him.
Its a tribute made by fans and Motown.
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thats not Elizabeth nor Michael's grave. I have been in the mausoleum, i've seen it. Elizabeth's grave is on the other side of the wall , BEHIND that angel. Any member of the public can see that angel when they go in, hence the photograph i guess lol. the angel statue is located in an area of the mausoleum that is open to the public, but the grave itself is out of public view.
Michael is buried UNDERNEATH that window in the photo, i mean underneath as in the floor below that window- the mausoleum has many different floors. both MJ & Elizabeth are out of sight of the public and both have names on them.
As far as I'm concerned, the two graves are not even in the same building. Besides that, if both graves would not be open to public, how would you know there are names on them?
Michael's crypt does not have a name yet, the family still don't know what to put on it after 2 years.
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Liz Taylors grave is accessible to the public, unlike MJs in Holly Terrace.
If anyone here lives in LA it would be great if you could go to The Great Maesuelum when you have time and tell us if Liz has a plaque with her name yet. x
I'll go & post here my observation. Perhaps tomorrow.
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Thanks Scorp penguin/
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Thanks for all the leg work you do on our behalf scorpionchik. It is much appreciated. bearhug
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Liz Taylors grave is accessible to the public, unlike MJs in Holly Terrace.
If anyone here lives in LA it would be great if you could go to The Great Maesuelum when you have time and tell us if Liz has a plaque with her name yet. x
I'll go & post here my observation. Perhaps tomorrow.
beerchug
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Hey guys, back from Forest Lawn. I got in to the Mausoleum, walked around and read names, but there is no way anyone but her family can know where Liz actually is burried. I did not find her name. The Great Maus. is huge and connects with Holly Terrace. Has undergorund space. It is possible that Liz even burried at Holly Terrace. No one can enter on private plots, they are separated and blocked. But she is there. No photogralhy is allowed inside the Mausoleum. I did not want to break the rule and sneak, I am a law obeying citizen. As for the statue, it has nothing to do with Liz grave. There are a lot of those and does not belong to anyone. Behind that statue is the wall that separates rooms with thousands deceased plots with their names engraved on metal signs.
And I went to Holly Terrace of course, where MJ is supposedly burried. There are, as usually, always flowers and fans. I got a pictures. Touching message left by fan on the rock. I spoke with the black woman who was sitting there, she is not a believer, she explained that the name is not engraved for purpose, so no one, even those who has relatives buried there or fans that sometimes sneak in, could not know which one is MJ's grave. But that just her opinion only.
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Thankyou for taking the time to visit and for reporting back to us. xxx
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Thank you Scorp. I don’t see a family placing a loved one in a crypt and then not inscribing at least a name there. Security is there to ensure that no one desecrates the grave, so it shouldn’t be that big of a deal. Fans or no fans. My child’s name would be where his body is. Michael is not there in a cold empty box. I will never believe that.
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thats not Elizabeth nor Michael's grave. I have been in the mausoleum, i've seen it. Elizabeth's grave is on the other side of the wall , BEHIND that angel. Any member of the public can see that angel when they go in, hence the photograph i guess lol. the angel statue is located in an area of the mausoleum that is open to the public, but the grave itself is out of public view.
Michael is buried UNDERNEATH that window in the photo, i mean underneath as in the floor below that window- the mausoleum has many different floors. both MJ & Elizabeth are out of sight of the public and both have names on them.
You have seen Michael 's name and Elizabeth's ? Where was that exactly again? I'll go check it out.
They don't allow people go the other rooms, only the one that has "Last Supper" presentation. How you read her name on the other side of the wall?
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Yes, I would like to know where Michaels name is as well. :?
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Michael is not there in a cold empty box. I will never believe that.
I was there and since that i know he is not there ...
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Michael is not there in a cold empty box. I will never believe that.
I was there and since that i know he is not there ...
thank you. BTW I love MJ sitting on the bench with the ladies. That is so cute lolol/
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BTW I love MJ sitting on the bench with the ladies. That is so cute lolol/
Thx @ hesouttamylife bearhug
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I thought Michael is meant to be buried beneath the Ascension window not the last supper window.
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and another thing I've noticed, I never get any replies to my posts when I'm right lol
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Hey Peggy. I believe you are right about the ascension window. ;)
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Hey Peggy. I believe you are right about the ascension window. ;)
Thank you for your acknowledgement lolol/
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Hi Peggy!
Here is a website that talks about the window:
http://www.seeing-stars.com/buried2/For ... ale5.shtml (http://www.seeing-stars.com/buried2/ForestLawnGlendale5.shtml)
Blessings Always!
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After seeing that window again, it always reminds me of the artwork created for TII....stained glass looking. Anyone see any connections of theme..anyone have a high resolution pic of the window they can post....a close up view?
Thanks!
Blessings!
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I think Elizabeth Taylor is buried next to her parents at Westwood Memorial as planned. Knowing how deeply she cared for Michael, she may have made arrangements post June 25, 2009 to use Forest Lawn Glendale as her final resting place, or have us believe this is the case, just to make Mike’s 'burial' more convincing. Since ALL media outlets broadcast her funeral from Forest Lawn, who would doubt her being there and who would bother to look across town at Westwood Memorial? Just my opinion of course…
PS... I've been a believer since the beginning, so a 'newbie' I am not... ;)
Welcome :)
I agree - she would have the financial means to prearrange a fake service at FL. I don't think it's beyond comprehension that she is buried where her parents are but for the sake of the hoax is leading people to believe otherwise. If this is the case though wouldn't her children have to know the reason for doing this?
Some years ago, long before June 25th 09, I read that Liz Taylor bought a plot of land for her family at Westwood Memorial Park. This vid tells where she will be buried, before she died. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po-qQCBDvaI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po-qQCBDvaI)
I also think her kids would know the truth about MJ. They treated Michael like family, all of them, so I can't see them spilling the beans on something this important. In fact, I've never heard them talk about anything. As for her parents not treating her good, that doesn't mean she didn't love them.
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Michael ... new photo ...
(http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2011/54/38746353_129860831194.jpg)
White Sympathy Flowers
As clean and pristine as a fresh winter snowstorm, white blossoms symbolize innocence and purity of love..
http://www.teleflora.com/funeral-flowers/white-sympathy-flowers-87_117383c.asp
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Elizabeth is buried outside. A friend of mine took a picture
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Michael new pic of the grave I believe were taken for the 1st anniversary of his death. I remember seeing the palm trees on the side
Looking at it again. Yes I am pretty sure
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Yes I agree the "new photo" look the same as the one which came out for the first anniversay, I was just thinking the same thing before I came to your post.
So yes I think your right. I must say I cannot believe how quickly the time has gone, we are now approaching the 2nd anniversary.
;)
Blessings