Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Solid121 on March 10, 2011, 03:52:21 AM
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[youtube:axy8q2bo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGtTUfPcI4[/youtube:axy8q2bo]
The caption reads,
Music video by Michael Jackson performing Hollywood Nights. (C) 2011 Optimum Productions
The most obvious thing is that the track has been completely re-recorded and remixed and they seem to be using the beat from Billie Jean. Also Michael's vocal is slightly different in terms of it's pitch and timbre, meaning is probably not the one that was used on the album.
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Could this be Michael Jackson? This is one of the first things about the video that stuck out to me by a mile, the only real close up of someone else other than the lead character...
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[youtube:qqxurwui]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGtTUfPcI4[/youtube:qqxurwui]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGtTUfPcI4
Music video by Michael Jackson performing Hollywood Nights. (C) 2011 Optimum Productions
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Yayyyyyyyy! The video is nice! The girl is beautiful!!!
That Billie Jean beat is getting on my nerves a bit...
It sems they are really reading forums because Teddy Rileys arrangement of Hollywood Tonight with violins was criticised on the official forum. People sugggested the guitar samples as more suitable - and they changed it here.
However, my first impression was - adding "Billie Jean" rhythm was not a good idea, leaving out the Tarryl's spoken bridge - was ok.
I don't like when they change the original album versions but I guess they have a purpose in it...
Did I say "they"? :shock: Not "he"??? :cry:
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What did they do to this song??? This is awfull
The video is very good but the way they canged the song isn't the way it should be
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WOW...and wow. What a great dancer she is. I recognise the same kids from Hold my Hand video as well. Again we have the Michael Jackson Hollywood star walk of fame.................there must be something to that.
Love the concept, and story line, but goodness me, it really does need Michael in it....Thanks for sharing this. It has worth the wait...Cheers.
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This screen here:
(http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/u3hmjizf/thumb/7.png) (http://www.imagebanana.com/view/u3hmjizf/7.png)
Seven stars and they show up 3 times
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Yeh I noticed that too......its a different and new version of the song..WHY???
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Hmmm ... interesting, almost sounds like they've stuck the Billie Jean beat in there?
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"The storyline of “Hollywood Tonight” charts the journey of a young woman arriving in Hollywood from small town America as she follows her dream to be a star; though her ambition is to be a dancer, her story represents the struggle for every artist or musician struggling to make it in the world.
Wayne Isham, who directed the video for Michael Jackson’s “You Are Not Alone,” returns to one of the very same locations where he filmed in 1995 with Michael – the Pantages Theatre near the famed corner of Hollywood and Vine that has served as a beacon for those drawn to the dream of stardom. In the new video, the Pantages Theater once again becomes the setting for the clip’s spectacular closing but this time they are outside the theater for a “flash mob” dance scene."
from http://www.MichaelJackson.com
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[youtube:20s8z28t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGtTUfPcI4[/youtube:20s8z28t]
The caption reads,
Music video by Michael Jackson performing Hollywood Nights. (C) 2011 Optimum Productions
I LOVE this production an the video! GREAT.
The girl just perfect for the role. Very classy in the way that is presented when she is pole dancing.
There is a story attached to the main character and "she is going to Hollywood" to become a dancer, her dream!
Reminded me of Flash Dance a bit.
Very nice I must say.
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No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
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The drawn out hiccup/gasp in the beginning doesn't sound like Michael Jackson at all. That's what stood out the most to me. I knew something was off. I like the video though.
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I didn't liked the Billie Jean beat in the music. Seems that they are trying to enhance the songs with great success from the past, first with Flight of Bumblebee in Breaking News and now Billie Jean in Hollywood Tonight. I don't think Mike would do that, I like to think that he would want to create new stuff.
Makes me wonder if he is behind that or not... :?
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They way she seemed to wipe her hand over the MJ star was interesting, does anybody know if that gesture has any significance in any culture? It has to mean something. Of course, it could very well be her doing that just for the hell of it, but usually when it was focused that clearly for a period of time in the video it has some sort of important meaning...perhaps some underlying symbolism hidden within?
As for the video as a whole, I admire it. very well done and properly executed. the whole Idea of what happens in the spotlight and having high aspirations for fame means a lot to someone, but this video clearly demonstrates the horrors that come with becoming a celebrity, possibly turning you into some sort of monster without your say and being controlled by the entertainment medium. People dream of being famous, but some don't realize that theres a cost that comes with sacrificing yourself for the entertainment world. you go through a lot of hysteria, particularly with the media and such that its hard to get out of the spotlight once your well known. so i see this video as a warning as well as a cautioned blessing for those who are looking for fame, its not all what it's worked up to be. For example, Ted Williams was highly publicized in the moments after he was discovered that it lead him to an overwhelming amount of pressure and thus went back into his drinking faze after being sober for two years.
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They way she seemed to wipe her hand over the MJ star was interesting, does anybody know if that gesture has any significance in any culture? It has to mean something. Of course, it could very well be her doing that just for the hell of it, but usually when it was focused that clearly for a period of time in the video it has some sort of important meaning...perhaps some underlying symbolism hidden within?
It looks very emotional and personal. May be she is missing him.
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She is a great dancer! I love the video it´s GREAT! :D
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hmmm.. :? I dont like the begining and the way song was changed.. :? video is not bad.. but rly.. it's JUST NOT BAD...
I dont feel Michael (or his creativity) in this video.. I dont feel like I'm listening MJ's song.. :?
No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
I agree with you here..
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Is that DaveDave at 3:33 in the first posted video? Looks like a burns victim with fused ears? (sorry, i know that sounds awful)
Personally... i do not like this video. How is glamourising and accepting STRIPPING as a young woman ok>?
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If we believe Michael alive, why wouldn't we know that he would be behind every inch of the singing and directing of the video. The video is superb, great dancing, storyline, beautiful change to the singing. Is MJ maybe singing a whole new version. I don't have any doubts this is the way Michael wants it.
Also this is a double thread. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18128 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18128)
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Is that DaveDave at 3:33 in the first posted video? Looks like a burns victim with fused ears? (sorry, i know that sounds awful)
Personally... i do not like this video. How is glamourising and accepting STRIPPING as a young woman ok>?
Is not. I believe that they point out that many dancers end up dancing that way to make money quick. However, in the video she is not doing obscene moves and her clothes are broad enough ;) so they present the concept not falling in to obscenity.
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Is that DaveDave at 3:33 in the first posted video? Looks like a burns victim with fused ears? (sorry, i know that sounds awful)
Personally... i do not like this video. How is glamourising and accepting STRIPPING as a young woman ok>?
Is not. I believe that they point out that many dancers end up dancing that way to make money quick. However, in the video she is not doing obscene moves and her clothes are broad enough ;) so they present the concept not falling in to obscenity.
That doesnt make it ok. In fact, it glamourises it more because it fails to show the reality.
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I really liked this video :D
But what happened to the song? The music has definitely been remixed, i agree that is sounds like a sample of Billie Jean has been added. Also, the vocals are DEFINITELY different from the album version. It's either been re-recorded or Michael recorded the song twice previously and they decided to use the one that wasn't used on the album. :?
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A like everything !
What a beautiful video.
How can you say there is no Michael's magic ? What did you expect ?
He puts on the spotlight a very good dancer, she represents the fans.
The vidéo is fresh, the job is given to us, no MJ. :)
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I LOVE the video and the Music!
At first I thought that the beat didn't go together very well but I listened to it several times and now I love it!!!!
Here are some screen pictures of stuff that really stood out to me
the 25
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Does it say BAM?
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7785/bambw.jpg)
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Sorry, but the song sounds awful like someone changed it. :roll: :roll:
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I really like the video and the song. But did anyone notice that it has the same storyline as 1980's movie Flashdance? Starring Jennifer Beals. The lead dance kinda reminds me of her.
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I don't know why they even make music videos anymore. Michael can't be in them, so what's the point? lol
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Sorry, but the song sounds awful like someone changed it. :roll: :roll:
I agree. I love the story behind it and how MJ is always with her (not in a literal sense of course) but they shouldn’t of changed the song.
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From Wikipedia - not sure about the actual source for this information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight)
"On March 10, 2011, the full video was released on Jackson's Youtube VEVO page. A new remix - made by mixing the beat of "Billie Jean" - was used in the video. This new version is the original demo recording of the song used exclusively for this video, in result of a fans request to release the song "the way Michael left it", as it's supposed that Jackson used the beats of Billie Jean as a guide base."
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The video is not bad, but I can not see the magic of Michael here.
Are these times that the missing beats faster! :cry:
Missed you so, Michael!
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The video is not bad, but I can not see the magic of Michael here.
Are these times that the missing beats faster! :cry:
Missed you so, Michael!
Agreed.
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Bum note at 3:14. Just edit it out and it should be fine.
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From Wikipedia - not sure about the actual source for this information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight)
"On March 10, 2011, the full video was released on Jackson's Youtube VEVO page. A new remix - made by mixing the beat of "Billie Jean" - was used in the video. This new version is the original demo recording of the song used exclusively for this video, in result of a fans request to release the song "the way Michael left it", as it's supposed that Jackson used the beats of Billie Jean as a guide base."
Very interesting- thank you for posting this- it makes sense now.
Ok, has anyone paid attention to the last shot of the dancer in the end, when she freezes in MJ pose? There is some talk I picked up that some think this is NOT her in the shot when it just shows her from the waist up (w/o showing her waist). Now, it is definitly her until 4:46,47, 48.
I can't get a clear shot and I don't have the software- but I have a question about the nose (that seems differnt and also, the chin-cleft that seems deeper in that shot. If anyone can pull that shot in, it would be great.
The FB stite Michael Jackson Immortal also posted the shot:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fb ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=198187690206585&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
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hmmm.. :? I dont like the begining and the way song was changed.. :? video is not bad.. but rly.. it's JUST NOT BAD...
I dont feel Michael (or his creativity) in this video.. I dont feel like I'm listening MJ's song.. :?
No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
I agree with you here..
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I have to agree with both of you. I didn't like the new version of the song and the video is such a disappointment for me. I don't see any magical creativity like it used to be in MJ's videos. But maybe it was also because he was in his videos and he was giving that magic to his videos. But now... :( I want to see him in his videos again. :(
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The video is not bad, but I can not see the magic of Michael here.
Are these times that the missing beats faster! :cry:
Missed you so, Michael!
Same here. It hurts so much to watch his videos without him appering in the video. :( I missed him so so badly too. HUGS for you.
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hmmm.. :? I dont like the begining and the way song was changed.. :? video is not bad.. but rly.. it's JUST NOT BAD...
I dont feel Michael (or his creativity) in this video.. I dont feel like I'm listening MJ's song.. :?
No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
I agree with you here..
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I have to agree with both of you. I didn't like the new version of the song and the video is such a disappointment for me. I don't see any magical creativity like it used to be in MJ's videos. But maybe it was also because he was in his videos and he was giving that magic to his videos. But now... :( I want to see him in his videos again. :(
Is it a "new" version, though. According to pepper's post above- the demo was used. Which would make the version on Michael the "new version."
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I prefer this version to the album one. I would listen to this one before the other. It just seems funkier.
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IMHO this version of the song sounds more like Michael than on the album :?
I'm not really into the Billie Jean beat but it's not to bad it still works ;)
The girl is a WONDERFUL dancer and the storyline 2 thumbs up!
All this vid needed was Michael to break the charts LOL :D
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hmmm.. :? I dont like the begining and the way song was changed.. :? video is not bad.. but rly.. it's JUST NOT BAD...
I dont feel Michael (or his creativity) in this video.. I dont feel like I'm listening MJ's song.. :?
No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
I agree with you here..
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I have to agree with both of you. I didn't like the new version of the song and the video is such a disappointment for me. I don't see any magical creativity like it used to be in MJ's videos. But maybe it was also because he was in his videos and he was giving that magic to his videos. But now... :( I want to see him in his videos again. :(
Is it a "new" version, though. According to pepper's post above- the demo was used. Which would make the version on Michael the "new version."
Well I heard only the album version of the song, so this version is new to me. But if the "new" one is the album version, then I liked it. Didn't like the video version. lol[/b]
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Sorry if this has been mentioned already but You Are Not Alone was shot at the same theater, the Pantages Theater near the famed corner of Hollywood and Vine :D
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From Wikipedia - not sure about the actual source for this information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight)
"On March 10, 2011, the full video was released on Jackson's Youtube VEVO page. A new remix - made by mixing the beat of "Billie Jean" - was used in the video. This new version is the original demo recording of the song used exclusively for this video, in result of a fans request to release the song "the way Michael left it", as it's supposed that Jackson used the beats of Billie Jean as a guide base."
Very interesting- thank you for posting this- it makes sense now.
Ok, has anyone paid attention to the last shot of the dancer in the end, when she freezes in MJ pose? There is some talk I picked up that some think this is NOT her in the shot when it just shows her from the waist up (w/o showing her waist). Now, it is definitly her until 4:46,47, 48.
I can't get a clear shot and I don't have the software- but I have a question about the nose (that seems differnt and also, the chin-cleft that seems deeper in that shot. If anyone can pull that shot in, it would be great.
The FB stite Michael Jackson Immortal also posted the shot:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fb ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=198187690206585&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
I found this on ET website. You might be able to see a closer pic of the dancer
http://www.etonline.com/music/107972_WATCH_Dancers_Film_New_Michael_Jackson_Video/index.html
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I don't know why they even make music videos anymore. Michael can't be in them, so what's the point? lol
Do you remember all of the Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and funeral ? In Liberian Girl, Mj was behind the camera which is probably where he's at in these videos. ;)
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Which would be funny and might give the ones screaming "but he is not here anymore to make those videos therefore they are crap" something to chew on. :lol:
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I am late. 8-)
I am just now seeing the World Premier on BET. West Coast time.
Looking Good!
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I prefer this version to the album one. I would listen to this one before the other. It just seems funkier.
I agree.
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This is extremely famous dancer Sofia Botella! I love her!
You could see her couple years ago in Nike Woman commercial, that was f...ing HOT commercial, though I'm not lesbian.
She's damn gorgeous and hot.
She is Madonna's dancer on tours.
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Not a fan of the added Billie Jean beat and the removal of Taryll's part in the song, the album version is far better.
Also, I feel this is one of the only song's on Michael that could've been made into a short-film, so I'm quite disappointed the video is so generic, it doesn't stand out from what anyone else is doing the music industry right now.
So yeah.. disappointed, but not surprised.
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I like the video. The music just sounds err...different; a loud BJ beat, but its ok.
How can ppl say there is no MJ magic in this video?
At the beginning of the video MJ is always with the girl, everywhere she goes, through pictures, videos... Maybe this is why he chose the Pantages theater; to remind the girl that "You are not alone".
Then, the girl tastes a bit of Hollywood, but she later dislikes it. (Watch 2:24 - 2:30). She goes back to MJ, remembers him, and strokes his name, like asking for guidance or something (not spiritually talking, but rather talking about MJ's experience in Hollywood) {Watch 2:38}.) I like how this video ends. Forget about auditions, fame and crap; she's following MJ's steps, and being different from the traditional Hollywood "lets make you famous" environment. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say; English isn't my first language.
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I like the video. The music just sounds err...different; a loud BJ beat, but its ok.
How can ppl say there is no MJ magic in this video?
At the beginning of the video MJ is always with the girl, everywhere she goes, through pictures, videos... Maybe this is why he chose the Pantages theater; to remind the girl that "You are not alone".
Then, the girl tastes a bit of Hollywood, but she later dislikes it. (Watch 2:24 - 2:30). She goes back to MJ, remembers him, and strokes his name, like asking for guidance or something (not spiritually talking, but rather talking about MJ's experience in Hollywood) {Watch 2:38}.) I like how this video ends. Forget about auditions, fame and crap, she's following MJ's steps, and being different from the traditional Hollywood "lets make you famous" environment. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say; English isn't my first language.
Love your post. I absolutely love the video and story but the music (not that I hate it) but it just isn't...I don't know I'm just not fond of that version maybe because I first heard the one on the album first. Same with "The way you love me", I prefer the version that came out in 2004 then the one on the Michael CD.
But my favourite bit is how MJ is with her every step of the way.
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Is that DaveDave at 3:33 in the first posted video? Looks like a burns victim with fused ears? (sorry, i know that sounds awful)
Personally... i do not like this video. How is glamourising and accepting STRIPPING as a young woman ok>?
Is not. I believe that they point out that many dancers end up dancing that way to make money quick. However, in the video she is not doing obscene moves and her clothes are broad enough ;) so they present the concept not falling in to obscenity.
That doesnt make it ok. In fact, it glamourises it more because it fails to show the reality.
Can you please enlighten me on what is the reality of being a stripper? lol
If you have some insight and experience in the profession that I do not personally know I am all ears. 8-) One thing that is disappointing to me is to read all the negative comments on how this video isn't up to the standards of ? who?
I would like to see any one of you do better than what was just presented to us. The main dancer is AWESOME. Bad ass with her moves. ;)
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This is an interesting video.
First major impression, the lyric about how she gives hot tricks to men breaks to scenes of the HMH kids dancing. That's odd. It's the only point in the video where it doesn't follow the girl's story.
Someone (hoaxer) at some point mentioned they noticed the song MJ wrote is not the song $ony produced for the album. About how MJ wrote a song about how a girl has a dream of being a star but finds the dark side of Hollywood instead, and $ony changed it to the girl realizing her dream and becoming a big star, the voiceover changes the entire tone of the song.
That concept is sticking out a little. So does the video take us back to what MJ wanted or is it the $ony version?
It's hard to say. Until the flash mob scene I'd say it's MJ's version of the story. Enter flashmob and I get confused.
But "Dave Dave" is dancing. See him? The token old man makes his appearance. The director keeps teasing you, making you think it's MJ's feet, MJ's legs, MJ's hand, MJ's pose... freeze n hold with shadowy lighting... is it him? No, it's the girl.
Interesting video indeed.
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Ok, has anyone paid attention to the last shot of the dancer in the end, when she freezes in MJ pose? There is some talk I picked up that some think this is NOT her in the shot when it just shows her from the waist up (w/o showing her waist). Now, it is definitly her until 4:46,47, 48.
I can't get a clear shot and I don't have the software- but I have a question about the nose (that seems differnt and also, the chin-cleft that seems deeper in that shot. If anyone can pull that shot in, it would be great.
The FB stite Michael Jackson Immortal also posted the shot:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fb ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=198187690206585&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
This is very interesting ;) ... also, the lips... If you freeze the video right at 3:49 when the shadow falls over her(?) face...
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197681_198187690206585_186184078073613_672893_2707726_n.jpg)
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7726_n.jpg (http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197681_198187690206585_186184078073613_672893_2707726_n.jpg)
From the album:
Wall Photos by Michael Jackson Immortal
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198187690206585&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
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This is an interesting video.
First major impression, the lyric about how she gives hot tricks to men breaks to scenes of the HMH kids dancing. That's odd. It's the only point in the video where it doesn't follow the girl's story.
Someone (hoaxer) at some point mentioned they noticed the song MJ wrote is not the song $ony produced for the album. About how MJ wrote a song about how a girl has a dream of being a star but finds the dark side of Hollywood instead, and $ony changed it to the girl realizing her dream and becoming a big star, the voiceover changes the entire tone of the song.
That concept is sticking out a little. So does the video take us back to what MJ wanted or is it the $ony version?
It's hard to say. Until the flash mob scene I'd say it's MJ's version of the story. Enter flashmob and I get confused.
But "Dave Dave" is dancing. See him? The token old man makes his appearance. The director keeps teasing you, making you think it's MJ's feet, MJ's legs, MJ's hand, MJ's pose... freeze n hold with shadowy lighting... is it him? No, it's the girl.
Interesting video indeed.
When I saw someone in the video walking along Hollywood Blvd I thought maybe they are trying to make it as though it's MJ because she was wearing MJ's shoes and then they cut it and show the girl walking in her high heel boots.
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A like everything !
What a beautiful video.
How can you say there is no Michael's magic ? What did you expect ?
He puts on the spotlight a very good dancer, she represents the fans.
The vidéo is fresh, the job is given to us, no MJ. :)
There a soooo many ways I could say there is no magic (for me)...with an added disclaimer of this is only my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to disagree.
First, though this young lady is a fabulous dancer, she does nothing to make me believe the storyline. I don't feel a connection. Second, she dances the choreography but I don't feel like she and the music are one and the same. Only MJ could BE the music. You know what I mean? Third, I didn't feel compelled to watch her or it. When MJ videos from 20 years ago come on my tv, I can't look away. When Billie Jean, Thriller, Bad, etc. come on the radio I can't turn it off. In 20 years do you think you will still care about how good a dancer she is? I won't.
There are other reasons but they all boil down to the same common denominator: making me FEEL something. A connection almost supernatural that casts a spell on you and won't let you go, a power that holds you and binds you to him and it. You know, the very definition of MAGIC. MJ=Magic
As for what I expected...not much and everything. lol
Anyway, everyone is entitled to find their own magic. I just didn't find mine there. JMO
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Ok, has anyone paid attention to the last shot of the dancer in the end, when she freezes in MJ pose? There is some talk I picked up that some think this is NOT her in the shot when it just shows her from the waist up (w/o showing her waist). Now, it is definitly her until 4:46,47, 48.
I can't get a clear shot and I don't have the software- but I have a question about the nose (that seems differnt and also, the chin-cleft that seems deeper in that shot. If anyone can pull that shot in, it would be great.
The FB stite Michael Jackson Immortal also posted the shot:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fb ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=198187690206585&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
This is very interesting ;) ... also, the lips... If you freeze the video right at 3:49 when the shadow falls over her(?) face...
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197681_198187690206585_186184078073613_672893_2707726_n.jpg)
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7726_n.jpg (http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197681_198187690206585_186184078073613_672893_2707726_n.jpg)
From the album:
Wall Photos by Michael Jackson Immortal
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198187690206585&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
Thank you for referencing my Facebook Page!
:)
Yes I love that pic...took it myself from the video!
~Steffy Levina aka SteffyLoveMJ aka MJArmyAngel
REMEMBER RESPECT L.O.V.E
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(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/Screenshot-80.png)
I posted it on my GENERAL TALK thread as well hours ago..
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=18173 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=18173)
Can you say WINNING Charlie Sheen?
LOVE LOVE LOVE
<3 MJ <3
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Since this photo is too big to post here...
please see it on my MJ Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198314976860523&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
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I see the message of the video as follows (I'll try to explain the flash mob dance scene):
After seeing the dark side of Hollywood (winning the audition for the stripper), which looked good only from afar, the girl decided to take Michael's advice: follow your dreams. But your REAL dreams. Seeing Michael's lovely posture in the street posters (in a hat and a glove) was enough for the girl to put her on the right track. She saw the the hat and a glove and remembered what Michael taught her!
Dance was her greatest love - but not doing something against your own self.
She decided to be like Michael - just dance for simple people in the streets. Give them joy and happiness. You don't need to be a famous Hollywood star to be happy. You simply need to do something good to others.
:)
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I see the message of the video as follows (I'll try to explain the flash mob dance scene):
After seeing the dark side of Hollywood (winning the audition for the stripper), which looked good only from afar, the girl decided to take Michael's advice: follow your dreams. But your REAL dreams. Seeing Michael's lovely posture in the street posters (in a hat and a glove) was enough for the girl to put her on the right track. She saw the the hat and a glove and remembered what Michael taught her!
Dance was her greatest love - but not doing something against your own self.
She decided to be like Michael - just dance for simple people in the streets. Give them joy and happiness. You don't need to be a famous Hollywood star to be happy. You simply need to do something good to others.
:)
Very nice, VeryLittleSuzie!
:D
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A like everything !
What a beautiful video.
How can you say there is no Michael's magic ? What did you expect ?
He puts on the spotlight a very good dancer, she represents the fans.
The vidéo is fresh, the job is given to us, no MJ. :)
There a soooo many ways I could say there is no magic (for me)...with an added disclaimer of this is only my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to disagree.
First, though this young lady is a fabulous dancer, she does nothing to make me believe the storyline. I don't feel a connection. Second, she dances the choreography but I don't feel like she and the music are one and the same. Only MJ could BE the music. You know what I mean? Third, I didn't feel compelled to watch her or it. When MJ videos from 20 years ago come on my tv, I can't look away. When Billie Jean, Thriller, Bad, etc. come on the radio I can't turn it off. In 20 years do you think you will still care about how good a dancer she is? I won't.
There are other reasons but they all boil down to the same common denominator: making me FEEL something. A connection almost supernatural that casts a spell on you and won't let you go, a power that holds you and binds you to him and it. You know, the very definition of MAGIC. MJ=Magic
As for what I expected...not much and everything. lol
Anyway, everyone is entitled to find their own magic. I just didn't find mine there. JMO
I couldn't agree more. I am very disappointed, both with the vid and the sound - just wrong!
To me it looks like a commercial/promo video/trailer kind of thing.
It's a very good vid with great dancers but totally nowhere near to what MJ deserves. It's the perfect proof of MJ's talent though - a talent that this vid misses so badly that it just makes me sad.
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A like everything !
What a beautiful video.
How can you say there is no Michael's magic ? What did you expect ?
He puts on the spotlight a very good dancer, she represents the fans.
The vidéo is fresh, the job is given to us, no MJ. :)
There a soooo many ways I could say there is no magic (for me)...with an added disclaimer of this is only my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to disagree.
First, though this young lady is a fabulous dancer, she does nothing to make me believe the storyline. I don't feel a connection. Second, she dances the choreography but I don't feel like she and the music are one and the same. Only MJ could BE the music. You know what I mean? Third, I didn't feel compelled to watch her or it. When MJ videos from 20 years ago come on my tv, I can't look away. When Billie Jean, Thriller, Bad, etc. come on the radio I can't turn it off. In 20 years do you think you will still care about how good a dancer she is? I won't.
There are other reasons but they all boil down to the same common denominator: making me FEEL something. A connection almost supernatural that casts a spell on you and won't let you go, a power that holds you and binds you to him and it. You know, the very definition of MAGIC. MJ=Magic
As for what I expected...not much and everything. lol
Anyway, everyone is entitled to find their own magic. I just didn't find mine there. JMO
Agreed.When i Watch Michael's vids or listen to his songs on the radio I can't turn it off.I don't feel this with this vid but hey, she isn't Michael so what can you expect?
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Since this photo is too big to post here...
please see it on my MJ Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198314976860523&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
The second picture you posted is interesting as then nose seems longer and also the lips seem different to me. Too bad you can't see the wrist in the second shot.
Thanks for putting the pic here- I am an idiot when it comes to that.
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Nice to see people enjoying my posts :D
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Since this photo is too big to post here...
please see it on my MJ Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198314976860523&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
The second picture you posted is interesting as then nose seems longer and also the lips seem different to me. Too bad you can't see the wrist in the second shot.
Thanks for putting the pic here- I am an idiot when it comes to that.
You're not an idiot! lol. I just have expensive video software..i got all those pix by doing a frame by frame analysis.
Thank you for posting my FB page btw. LOL gives me some positive exposure.
oV Peace
Oh and please see my thread on GENERAL TALK.
It's called "Whoa this is wayy down the list! lol"
:D
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Since this photo is too big to post here...
please see it on my MJ Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198314976860523&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
The second picture you posted is interesting as then nose seems longer and also the lips seem different to me. Too bad you can't see the wrist in the second shot.
Thanks for putting the pic here- I am an idiot when it comes to that.
You're not an idiot! lol. I just have expensive video software..i got all those pix by doing a frame by frame analysis.
Thank you for posting my FB page btw. LOL gives me some positive exposure.
oV Peace
Oh and please see my thread on GENERAL TALK.
It's called "Whoa this is wayy down the list! lol"
:D
VERY weolcome! I follow your fb page as well. :)
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From Teddy Riley:
He tweeted back to some of my questions last night:
@TeddyRiley1 Teddy- heard the mix used in the Hollywood Tonight vid is the orginal demo- is that true or is it a re-mix?
8 hours ago Favorite Reply Delete in reply to ↑
@TeddyRiley1
TEDDY RILEY
@birgiterika ITS A REMIX...THAT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL MIX.
5 hours ago via web Favorite Undo Retweet Reply
And one more:
@TeddyRiley1 Finally saw the HT vid- IDK- the dancing is amazing.Seems though the message of the song was too diluted and got lost.
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@TeddyRiley1
TEDDY RILEY
@birgiterika MMM......
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So, the wiki entry was WRONG (surprise, I know)- the mix used was NOT the original demo.
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I watched the video again, trying not to get too sad this time, but this is impossible.
I do not believe that Michael had a hand as a producer or director, because he certainly would have done much better. I do not criticize the dancer, she's great, but I agree that she has not passed no emotion in your story, and as Teddy said, the content of the music got lost!
I think Michael is not participating in the development of this video. I do not see his genius here!
So where is Michael and he can be doing? Is he working on his next album to flip it personally? That would be a sweet dream!
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Is that DaveDave at 3:33 in the first posted video? Looks like a burns victim with fused ears? (sorry, i know that sounds awful)
Personally... i do not like this video. How is glamourising and accepting STRIPPING as a young woman ok>?
Is not. I believe that they point out that many dancers end up dancing that way to make money quick. However, in the video she is not doing obscene moves and her clothes are broad enough ;) so they present the concept not falling in to obscenity.
That doesnt make it ok. In fact, it glamourises it more because it fails to show the reality.
IDK why you think that stripper=glamorous, but I didn´t catch it that way. It is the sad side of the story imo.
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But "Dave Dave" is dancing. See him? The token old man makes his appearance. The director keeps teasing you, making you think it's MJ's feet, MJ's legs, MJ's hand, MJ's pose... freeze n hold with shadowy lighting... is it him? No, it's the girl.
Interesting video indeed.
Correct. Somehow we "see" Michael but at the end is not. He is like in disguise. Some of us even talked about the possibility of MJ being disguised as the old man in some parts of the video as well. And the girl....at some points I wasn´t sure if was Michael´s face or hers. Really a mind phuck.
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Absolutely! ( re what Gema said). There are those three frames where her nose is not matching and neither are the lips and chin. Makes you wonder...
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AGAIN THIS PIC IS TOOOO BIG TO POST HERE
SO PLEASE SEE THIS LINK TO MY FB PAGE!!!
THIS IS THE OLD MAN!!!
http://www.facebook.com/update_security ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/update_security_info.php?wizard=1#!/photo.php?fbid=198432680182086&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
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I see the message of the video as follows (I'll try to explain the flash mob dance scene):
After seeing the dark side of Hollywood (winning the audition for the stripper), which looked good only from afar, the girl decided to take Michael's advice: follow your dreams. But your REAL dreams. Seeing Michael's lovely posture in the street posters (in a hat and a glove) was enough for the girl to put her on the right track. She saw the the hat and a glove and remembered what Michael taught her!
Dance was her greatest love - but not doing something against your own self.
She decided to be like Michael - just dance for simple people in the streets. Give them joy and happiness. You don't need to be a famous Hollywood star to be happy. You simply need to do something good to others.
:)
Very nice, VeryLittleSuzie!
:D
agree :D
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Since this photo is too big to post here...
please see it on my MJ Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 13&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=198314976860523&set=a.186603618031659.44894.186184078073613&theater)
The second picture you posted is interesting as then nose seems longer and also the lips seem different to me. Too bad you can't see the wrist in the second shot.
Thanks for putting the pic here- I am an idiot when it comes to that.
You're not an idiot! lol. I just have expensive video software..i got all those pix by doing a frame by frame analysis.
Thank you for posting my FB page btw. LOL gives me some positive exposure.
oV Peace
Oh and please see my thread on GENERAL TALK.
It's called "Whoa this is wayy down the list! lol"
:D
VERY weolcome! I follow your fb page as well. :)
YAY THANK YOU!!!
PLEASE SEE MY NEW POST ^^^ UP THERE
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I watched the video again, trying not to get too sad this time, but this is impossible.
I do not believe that Michael had a hand as a producer or director, because he certainly would have done much better. I do not criticize the dancer, she's great, but I agree that she has not passed no emotion in your story, and as Teddy said, the content of the music got lost!
I think Michael is not participating in the development of this video. I do not see his genius here!
So where is Michael and he can be doing? Is he working on his next album to flip it personally? That would be a sweet dream!
I agree with you.. all other videos (even those where MJ is not appeared) have something.. and SOMETHING (magic) keeps me watching them again again.. but this one..... :? :? :? :roll:
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question. did someont already say that the person doing this video had done the you are not alone one?
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It was discussed either here or elsewhere. Yes, Wayne Isham is the director of both videos. Also the Pantages Theatre was used in both videos.
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It's not the first time that John Edwards has done flashmob work.
[youtube:uy10ged7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUJICDJNnqM[/youtube:uy10ged7]
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It was discussed either here or elsewhere. Yes, Wayne Isham is the director of both videos. Also the Pantages Theatre was used in both videos.
Please see this thread:
http://mjalivearmy.proboards.com/index. ... =70&page=1 (http://mjalivearmy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=70&page=1)
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It was discussed either here or elsewhere. Yes, Wayne Isham is the director of both videos. Also the Pantages Theatre was used in both videos.
Please see this thread:
http://mjalivearmy.proboards.com/index. ... =70&page=1 (http://mjalivearmy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=70&page=1)
AND THIS ONE!!!!
http://mjalivearmy.proboards.com/index. ... &thread=56 (http://mjalivearmy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=56)
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
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The deaders should probably cut their losses and split now...
it ain't gonna get any easier in the homestretch.
At this juncture, you either believe or you don't.
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It was discussed either here or elsewhere. Yes, Wayne Isham is the director of both videos. Also the Pantages Theatre was used in both videos.
ok well personally i was never too thrilled with that one . seemed somewhat odd. while this one seems to have a possible story line the one with lisa was :roll: sorry to me it was just dumb. to me it was just like this person likes to push the envelope a little bit. not that it was awful dirty oh my god stuff , just weird. so i guess what i mean to say is that michael could still be connected just when working with this person you get a different kind of result. hope i have not :? anyone think i may have :? myself :lol:
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The deaders should probably cut their losses and split now...
it ain't gonna get any easier in the homestretch.
At this juncture, you either believe or you don't.
:lol: the deaders thats funny
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I don't mind the video, it's alright.
Besides the fact that the girl can dance, I think they chose her because she looks like a female version of Michael.
And I'm with the people who say they see Dave Dave cuz I see him too.
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anyone with the proper equipment and so want to take a closer look at the little paper that is taped onto the girls mirror at about 1:52 or so?
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
You think MJ's dead now? :o
You've been here for so long though! Don't lose faith over this! Michael's behind the camera, remember! :o ;)
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
You think MJ's dead now? :o
You've been here for so long though! Don't lose faith over this! Michael's behind the camera, remember! :o ;)
I just told this to shock you.
Why do you say it's not MJ's magic, there is no MJ... So he's dead ?
People, just think.
He's alive, I'm sure HE made the video, the video is HIS magic.
You can't see this because you're too focused on the past, on other video clips, etc...
Now it's now. It's no time to break charts, or to make new innovative videos...
Michael do this for something else. Don't just see the artistic purpose.
This is a good video, with such an amazing dancer.
What I see is the same theater as "You are not alone". Yes, MJ's message to us.
What I see is a link between the stars of Hold My Hand video and Hollywood.
You know, at the end of Hold My Hand, someone walking on the star, with rain, we only see the feet. Now, at 2:50 you see the feet and the legs. Remember the PIECE BY PIECE thing ?
What I see is a dancer who could be on This is it Tour but refused because of planning. And now she's on Michael's video. Coincidence ?
What I see at 2:50 it's a Michael's joke. You think it's him walking, but no, it's Sofia. For me that means he still there, and soon we'll see him walk, for truth.
What I see is that like in One More Chance video, MJ is putting US on the stage. The dancer represents the fans, everybody, like the people in the flashmob, anonymous.
I also see 7 stars in front of the theater.
So, I simply see Michael's Magic. He's trully behind the camera.
But you people only see the artistic vision, compare it to videos from the past.
You know why it's also MJ's magic ?
Because the video is controversial.
MJ has always been controversial.
We talk about him. He has success.
So, please, stop telling me there is no Michael, because if you think so, so what ? For me that opinion means that MJ's dead, because if the video is so crappy for you, why would he accept to put it online ?
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ps: The Billie Jean beat on the song is just amazing.
Bravo Michael. Pure Genius.
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I totally agree with you Cameron I see Michael's magic all over this video and I think its an amazing video I enjoyed it very much. Everyone feels that Michael's magic is not there because its not what Michael was used to creating but I feel as if Michael is trying a different direction with his videos something different to see what his fans reaction would be to this new concept of his and he is where he always wanted to be behind the camera and not in front of the camera just like One more chance for true his fans are now the ones on the stage performing and he is the one in the audience watching, observing.
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
You think MJ's dead now? :o
You've been here for so long though! Don't lose faith over this! Michael's behind the camera, remember! :o ;)
I just told this to shock you.
Why do you say it's not MJ's magic, there is no MJ... So he's dead ?
People, just think.
He's alive, I'm sure HE made the video, the video is HIS magic.
You can't see this because you're too focused on the past, on other video clips, etc...
Now it's now. It's no time to break charts, or to make new innovative videos...
Michael do this for something else. Don't just see the artistic purpose.
This is a good video, with such an amazing dancer.
What I see is the same theater as "You are not alone". Yes, MJ's message to us.
What I see is a link between the stars of Hold My Hand video and Hollywood.
You know, at the end of Hold My Hand, someone walking on the star, with rain, we only see the feet. Now, at 2:50 you see the feet and the legs. Remember the PIECE BY PIECE thing ?
What I see is a dancer who could be on This is it Tour but refused because of planning. And now she's on Michael's video. Coincidence ?
What I see at 2:50 it's a Michael's joke. You think it's him walking, but no, it's Sofia. For me that means he still there, and soon we'll see him walk, for truth.
What I see is that like in One More Chance video, MJ is putting US on the stage. The dancer represents the fans, everybody, like the people in the flashmob, anonymous.
I also see 7 stars in front of the theater.
So, I simply see Michael's Magic. He's trully behind the camera.
But you people only see the artistic vision, compare it to videos from the past.
You know why it's also MJ's magic ?
Because the video is controversial.
MJ has always been controversial.
We talk about him. He has success.
So, please, stop telling me there is no Michael, because if you think so, so what ? For me that opinion means that MJ's dead, because if the video is so crappy for you, why would he accept to put it online ?
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ps: The Billie Jean beat on the song is just amazing.
Bravo Michael. Pure Genius.
Pure greatness! *wipes a tear* thats amazing. We need more members on this forum like you. You should also check out my thread under "GENERAL TALK"
Its titled "Wow this is really far down the list! lol"
oV Peace Love
Respect!
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The question that I have here is this: With the Estate being in charge of all Michael's musicworks, Are they not the one that decides what can be played and what should not be played. Is it not the finally decision of the Estate of Michael Jackson on his music. So Sony really has to abide by the wish of the Estate of Michael Jackson. Maybe this is the version that is along to be played for the video. Maybe Sony are given a certain amount of license on the videos.
A question to ponder. Remember Michael telling Geraldo Rivera that he wants to take the Music Medium to a different level. I think that what the fans that appreciate a great musician is to always be flexible to the different aspects of the music that particular musician is doing at that moment in their life, to no be stuck in the past and not growing as the musician is growing. Often times fans of a particular musician is so used to a certain type of music that they do not leave themselves any room to grow. What I am getting at is that we need to look out of the box. We all have opinions about music, which is fine but we should not limit ourselves to what true music is. So many times I have read that this is not the type of music that Michael will do. We do not know that. It should always be said In my honest opinon I think....... when we are speaking about Michael music. People are so stuch in yesteryears of Michael Jackson and he wants to move on to the future. If Michael continues to do what others want him to do, he would never grow as a human being. LET US ALL FROM THIS MOMENT ON LOOK AND LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND, NOT BE STAGNATED OR BOXED OURSELVES IN WITH THE YESTERYEARS. WE NEED TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE, A DIFFERENT CONCEPT. THINK OUT OF THE BOX. All of Michael's life he has been thinking out of the box, and I think now is the time for us to play a little catch-up.
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anyone with the proper equipment and so want to take a closer look at the little paper that is taped onto the girls mirror at about 1:52 or so?
I see 5s in the lower right hand corner. Cant really make out what the words say though.
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/htpic.png)
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steffymjlove says: Pure greatness! *wipes a tear* thats amazing. We need more members on this forum like you. You should also check out my thread under "GENERAL TALK"
Its titled "Wow this is really far down the list! lol"
oV Peace Love
Respect!
Spamming with your link, and bringing your "wow this is really far down the list" thread all the time, is also spamming so please stop adding this on every post or I'll just delete it, if you don't stop.
Thanks.
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[youtube:3t4a1no6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w-372PI4e0[/youtube:3t4a1no6] Ellen imitating Michael Jackson
I would have liked to see Ellen interviewing Michael! :D
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luchy - I totally enjoyed that clip of Ellen dancing. She dances like she's by herself at home and you can tell she loves it. And I loved seeing the entire audience groovin' to MJ.
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steffymjlove says: Pure greatness! *wipes a tear* thats amazing. We need more members on this forum like you. You should also check out my thread under "GENERAL TALK"
Its titled "Wow this is really far down the list! lol"
oV Peace Love
Respect!
Spamming with your link, and bringing your "wow this is really far down the list" thread all the time, is also spamming so please stop adding this on every post or I'll just delete it, if you don't stop.
Thanks.
Ok sorry I wont bring it up on here anymore. I didnt realize I was posting it that much. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Remember. Respect. L.O.V.E
oV Peace
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
You think MJ's dead now? :o
You've been here for so long though! Don't lose faith over this! Michael's behind the camera, remember! :o ;)
I just told this to shock you.
Why do you say it's not MJ's magic, there is no MJ... So he's dead ?
People, just think.
He's alive, I'm sure HE made the video, the video is HIS magic.
You can't see this because you're too focused on the past, on other video clips, etc...
Now it's now. It's no time to break charts, or to make new innovative videos...
Michael do this for something else. Don't just see the artistic purpose.
This is a good video, with such an amazing dancer.
What I see is the same theater as "You are not alone". Yes, MJ's message to us.
What I see is a link between the stars of Hold My Hand video and Hollywood.
You know, at the end of Hold My Hand, someone walking on the star, with rain, we only see the feet. Now, at 2]PIECE BY PIECE thing ?[/b]
What I see is a dancer who could be on This is it Tour but refused because of planning. And now she's on Michael's video. Coincidence ?
What I see at 2:50 it's a Michael's joke. You think it's him walking, but no, it's Sofia. For me that means he still there, and soon we'll see him walk, for truth.
What I see is that like in One More Chance video, MJ is putting US on the stage. The dancer represents the fans, everybody, like the people in the flashmob, anonymous.
I also see 7 stars in front of the theater.
So, I simply see Michael's Magic. He's trully behind the camera.
But you people only see the artistic vision, compare it to videos from the past.
You know why it's also MJ's magic ?
Because the video is controversial.
MJ has always been controversial.
We talk about him. He has success.
So, please, stop telling me there is no Michael, because if you think so, so what ? For me that opinion means that MJ's dead, because if the video is so crappy for you, why would he accept to put it online ?
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ps: The Billie Jean beat on the song is just amazing.
Bravo Michael. Pure Genius. [/color]
:D Great post, and amazing observations you made.
In a way, MJ is going to shock his own fans much deeply then the general public with the reveal. The fan sites all report how disappointed they are with this video and this mix. In general, his own fans are really dissing all his new material. They are the ones who are also going to discover the man they never knew.
We too may get a shock of our own at reveal; something we as a community generally accept to be a truth about MJ may turn out to be not at all the case.
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I love it...Hollywood needed some BJ beats to give it some crispness. Not at all dismayed that Taryll's part is gone. Sofia is one great dancer and should be dancing with Michael.
Now, the old man with the brown cap I have seen before. He has been in numerous Michael flash mob dances. The other guy that comes in behind him in the red shirt, well, IDK... 8-)
I don't know how to show it but the two of them can be seen at 3:41.
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I like this video, but the beat from Billie Jean doesn't belong here.Why did they put it on this version ? I've sent Teddy a message on twitter if MJ likes this song and here is his answer......
HE DIDN'T SEE IT YET. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL
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Cameron, way to go getting people's attention! :lol:
Luchy, great clip of Ellen promoting MJ's new music. Loved it!
Steffymjlove, on your site it definately looks like there are three sets of numbers adding to 7, to make 777. Thanks.
About the screen shot of the girl's freeze shot at the end, I noticed that all the clips of her just before have her shirt showing her whole mid section of skin. But the last 1 or 2 sec, the shirt covers the middle. I don't think MJ would just expose his mid section (girl style). The face could easily pass for MJ with heavy make-up. I think they partially chose this girl for her face looking similar to Michael's in a feminine way, and MJ is pretty slim. She fills the role of the girl wanting to make it big in hollywood and she bridges the gap to Michael Jackson. It's all about connecting things. I think that's why there's the clip about the little kids dancing and the sidewalk MJ star--they both connect to HMY video. Everything's connected. Same source--Michael.
The guy in the red shirt doesn't clap like MJ.
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(http://i55.tinypic.com/14vu4qs.jpg)
http://www.multiupload.com/E8Q4C10Z1H
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(http://i55.tinypic.com/14vu4qs.jpg)
http://www.multiupload.com/E8Q4C10Z1H
Thank you Victor! :D
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I like this video, but the beat from Billie Jean doesn't belong here.Why did they put it on this version ? I've sent Teddy a message on twitter if MJ likes this song and here is his answer......
HE DIDN'T SEE IT YET. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL
WHOAAAA!!!!
Thats crazy...
he definitely knows something.
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Cameron, way to go getting people's attention! :lol:
Luchy, great clip of Ellen promoting MJ's new music. Loved it!
Steffymjlove, on your site it definately looks like there are three sets of numbers adding to 7, to make 777. Thanks.
About the screen shot of the girl's freeze shot at the end, I noticed that all the clips of her just before have her shirt showing her whole mid section of skin. But the last 1 or 2 sec, the shirt covers the middle. I don't think MJ would just expose his mid section (girl style). The face could easily pass for MJ with heavy make-up. I think they partially chose this girl for her face looking similar to Michael's in a feminine way, and MJ is pretty slim. She fills the role of the girl wanting to make it big in hollywood and she bridges the gap to Michael Jackson. It's all about connecting things. I think that's why there's the clip about the little kids dancing and the sidewalk MJ star--they both connect to HMY video. Everything's connected. Same source--Michael.
The guy in the red shirt doesn't clap like MJ.
Exactly...connecting the dots.
I agree with you...but I also agree that MJ in on the video. Somewhere.
(i know for a fact that it was him on that scene. ive done countless frame by frames and found many many many clues hidden in plain site. but i'm not allowed to mention my forum on here. send me a pm if you want the link. Im also on facebook as well..no way near as much clues on my facebook page as there is on my forum. no disrepect to any mods on this forum.. im just saying that i spent a very long time posting all of the clues on my forum in my spare time aside from being a script writer, actress, and production assistant. thats why i post links to it because it is very time consuming. again no disrespect. i only would post the thread corresponding with the thread i am on..no other topic at all. i posted one about the pantages theater that is very elaborate. and john edwards and numerology found in the hollywood tonight video. lets please take majestik magnificents advice and not fight amongst ourselves. hes begging us to stop. people are indeed watching. i have never done anything disrespectful on here in any way..when the forum was down...i was defending MJs name in the chat room. souza you know this. you were there. i will fight for him. until my very last day i will stand up for what i believe in. i can back this all up a hundred billion percent. and no this is not a rant. i am telling the plain outright truth and how i feel in my heart. after all its healthy to do so..right bec? again NO disrespect. i respect every single one of you equally. i love this forum. thats why i have stuck around and tried to share my findings on here. everytime i tried to i got yelled at. its not my fault that it wouldnt let me post my pictures on it. if you look at the links i was posting, it showed the exact thing i was replying to staying completely on topic. im sorry if this post caused anyone any stress or anger. again please listen to majestik.. i think it was a message directly from MJ. he is watching us. if you want me to post any of my newly found clues on here that no one has posted yet anywhere on here...please do not delete my posts. i am just trying to share my findings with people. when i seen that it was considered spamming i was heart broken. i put alot of time into analyzing everything i find to validate its authenticity. how is posting someones right of fair speech to a universal forum of skeptics/beLIEvers/knowers/deaders or whatever considered spamming. if you do delete my posts because of my "rant" than you are all going to lose out on what i am continuously finding. its your loss. not mine. )
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Unlike others, I'll have to say something very, very negative. I have to get this off my chest.
I hate and despise the video. It's worse than Hold My Hand. I prefer the song's production on the album, and the video is anything but nice to look at. Watching it actually made me livid, I can't even find words and I can't really explain what I feel. I usually don't get offensive, but the girl they casted isn't beautiful to me and she has a masculine body, I hate the "storyline" and I freaking despise the Walk of Fame part. That was so freaking sentimental and has left me with the uttermost disgust, I can't even explain it. If Michael is dead, do you think it's appropriate to have cheeply acted crying parts in a music video to accompany Michael's great music, music that has nothing to do with his death whatsoever? I don't know what they're trying to do, but we know people love "dead" people and the tragedy of it, and in my opinion, this is why they keep going on about it. People are into sentimentality, but this is an insult to Michael's legacy. What I'm trying to say is not that I don't want to be confronted with Michael being dead if he is, but that has no place in a music video, as if a legend needed to be dead in order to be loveable.
Let's just all sit down and imagine for a moment that Michael is actually dead, they're coming out with crappy "music videos" to great songs by Michael that do not need any visual support. Even if you like the video, you will have to agree that it's nothing compared to what Michael used to create. He always created the most amazing works of art with his music videos or short films, and I tend to believe that this is not something Michael would want, nor something that he is behind in any way. This music doesn't need a music video, especially not a crappy one, just to be on television. How many more people are going to purchase the song because they got to see this video on TV? This is not helping Michael's legacy in the slightest. It's just making me angry.
Does anybody understand me? :cry:
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I prefer Hold My Hand too. At least there’s some Michael in it.
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Agree, this was somehow tacky, i prefer Michael's videos, i mean the short films where he himself participates in them, they're all masterpieces, i neither liked this video nor disliked, 50-50.It was not MJ's style
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
We've had that before.
It is one more time sharpening our senses for the "making of" and different versions of a song.
This is new and it's quite nice: we never had the choice before, right?
Somebody's giving us a zip of this and a zip of that and is watching our reaction (almost certain about that). It's like asking "Do you want your coffee with cream or with milk?" while offering both.
This has become a huge overall theme - getting us involved directly and handing the baton over to us.
Never been so close yet so distant, never been so permanently around, right?
Watch his moves, yet it's the girl.
Never done before, right. ;)
Keep the faith.
Don't let go of my hand no matter what happens.
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Here you can all thank me later lol
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/seeee.png)
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Unlike others, I'll have to say something very, very negative. I have to get this off my chest.
I hate and despise the video. It's worse than Hold My Hand. I prefer the song's production on the album, and the video is anything but nice to look at. Watching it actually made me livid, I can't even find words and I can't really explain what I feel. I usually don't get offensive, but the girl they casted isn't beautiful to me and she has a masculine body, I hate the "storyline" and I freaking despise the Walk of Fame part. That was so freaking sentimental and has left me with the uttermost disgust, I can't even explain it. If Michael is dead, do you think it's appropriate to have cheeply acted crying parts in a music video to accompany Michael's great music, music that has nothing to do with his death whatsoever? I don't know what they're trying to do, but we know people love "dead" people and the tragedy of it, and in my opinion, this is why they keep going on about it. People are into sentimentality, but this is an insult to Michael's legacy. What I'm trying to say is not that I don't want to be confronted with Michael being dead if he is, but that has no place in a music video, as if a legend needed to be dead in order to be loveable.
Let's just all sit down and imagine for a moment that Michael is actually dead, they're coming out with crappy "music videos" to great songs by Michael that do not need any visual support. Even if you like the video, you will have to agree that it's nothing compared to what Michael used to create. He always created the most amazing works of art with his music videos or short films, and I tend to believe that this is not something Michael would want, nor something that he is behind in any way. This music doesn't need a music video, especially not a crappy one, just to be on television. How many more people are going to purchase the song because they got to see this video on TV? This is not helping Michael's legacy in the slightest. It's just making me angry.
Does anybody understand me? :cry:
" Even if you like the video, you will have to agree that it's nothing compared to what Michael used to create. He always created the most amazing works of art with his music videos or short films, and I tend to believe that this is not something Michael would want, nor something that he is behind in any way. "
:) It's your opinion, I accept it, and we need different opinions about this hoax. :)
But the text I pasted just confirm what I said in this thread: you're focused on the past and only on the classical "music video" thing.
Like said in this thread, we have to see the future.
Moreover, this is not a music video for me, Michael didn't do it for this purpose, like he did Thriller or You Rock My Wolrd for exemple. He did it for something else, and for showing us clues.
( that's what I tried to explain in this thread).
Haha, and by the way, in you tube more people like the video than people dislike.
So I don't know what MJ is triying to do, but it's working ? :)
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I watched again the video! It fits perfectly as a part of a movie, like in Flash Dance. May be a movie will come after all telling the story of the dancer.
MJ song "they don´t care about us" last rehersal was the video shown over and over in the news after his passing. They don´t care about us...the dancers.
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I wonder if perhaps these videos should be viewed in order of release, 'to be continued' style.
One More Chance
[youtube:1rrldpik]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-owpIWQMd80[/youtube:1rrldpik]
Hold My Hand
[youtube:1rrldpik]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCCnxBos10[/youtube:1rrldpik]
Hollywood Tonight
[youtube:1rrldpik]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGtTUfPcI4[/youtube:1rrldpik]
Upon viewing... this looks like a story... anyone else see it differently when viewed one after the other?
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Can be, Bec. Another video is about to come, Behind the mask. Would be interesting to see the all 4 in a row complementing each other.
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that's totally it, this is a story!
The WAITRESS!
The dancer works as a waitress? In a restaurant??
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Yes! The restaurant! a Love story? :D , but, where does it fit in the hold my hand video?
Restaurant, dancer, stripper....didn´t we read somewhere some stories linking MJ to a stripping bar with Murray before he passed or am I confused?
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One More Chance: MJ puts the audience on stage and walks away at the end. Beam of light across the screen in the dark, near the end of the video.
Hold My Hand: video begins with audience in the dark with beam of light across the screen. MJ is a shadow, this life don't last forever. Watch it, it's the death and sorrow afterwards...
and then SOME began to BELIVE and their sorrow turned to joy (with discovery).
Ends with sead in the puddle on the Hollywood Star, gets stepped on, turns into a PALM TREE.
Hollywood Tonight: video starts with PALM TREES in Hollywood. The dancer works as a waitress at one part. Waitress in a Restaurant.
Billy Jean is mixed in because the lie becomes the truth.
Holy Shit I'm excited.
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One More Chance: MJ puts the audience on stage and walks away at the end. Beam of light across the screen in the dark, near the end of the video.
Hold My Hand: video begins with audience in the dark with beam of light across the screen. MJ is a shadow, this life don't last forever. Watch it, it's the death and sorrow afterwards...
and then SOME began to BELIVE and their sorrow turned to joy (with discovery).
Ends with sead in the puddle on the Hollywood Star, gets stepped on, turns into a PALM TREE.
Hollywood Tonight: video starts with PALM TREES in Hollywood. The dancer works as a waitress at one part. Waitress in a Restaurant.
Billy Jean is mixed in because the lie becomes the truth.
Holy Shit I'm excited.
Me more :D I need the last video Behind the mask. It makes A LOT of sense.
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Lyrics for behind the mask. Fits perfect!!
All along I had to talk about it
But like a two edged sword
it cuts you and it stabs me
All along I knew you were a phony girl
You sit behind the mask
and you control your world
You sit around and I watch your face
I try to find the truth
But that's your hiding place
You say you love me but it's hard to see
Cos when he's in your arms
You're throwing rocks at me
Who do you love?
Is it me?
With you?
I don't know
Who do you love?
I don't want ya
If you can't answer
You know me
(There is nothing in your eyes)
There is nothing in your eyes
(But that's the way you cry)
But that's the way you cry girl (Cry girl)
(All is grand, all is bright)
All is grand, all is bright
(you're just studyng my mind)
I Walk around i'm suffering in my doom
When I come to you
Your sitting in your room
You sit around in the strangest place
So take off the mask
So I can see your face
Who do you love?
Is it me?
With You?
I don't know
Who do you love, babe?
I don't want ya
If you can't answer
I know you
(Heaven must be wary)
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/behind-the-m ... ckson.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/behind-the-mask-lyrics-michael-jackson.html) ]
Heaven must be wary
(Your smile is scary)
You got me scared, girl
(Insincere, empty tears)
Every Year, yours are good
(Where's your soul? Where'd it go?)
You got me scared, girl
(Heaven must be wary)
Heaven must be wary
(Your smile is scary)
You know where you've been
(Insincere, empty tears)
Every year, na na na
(Where's your soul? Where did it go?)
I Walk around i'm suffering in my doom
And when I come to you
Your sitting in your room
You sit around in the strangest place
So take off the mask
So I can see your face
Who do you love?
Is it me?
With you?
I dont know
Who do you love, babe?
I don't want ya
If you can't answer
I know you
Who do you love?
Is it me?
With you?
I don't know
Who do you love?
I don't want ya
If you can't answer
I don't know
I don't wanna talk about it (let's talk about it)
I don't wanna talk about it (let's talk about it)
I don't wanna talk about it (let's talk about it)
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bec, you are on to something. We were looking for a story in the setlist of TII, guess that was 'much too soon'. Behind the mask is said to be next, the videos ARE following up pretty quick IMO.
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does this old man dancer guy make anyone think of the hat man at the funeral with his seemingly always being on the phone before the dancing starts? have i finally flipped?
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does this old man dancer guy make anyone think of the hat man at the funeral with his seemingly always being on the phone before the dancing starts? have i finally flipped?
Flipped? that hat man is Debbie Rowe in disguise :lol: :lol: , have I flipped?
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OMG bec, i see what you mean!!! :o I didn't even think of it that way! Wow! :shock:
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Watching these videos in order gives them a whole new meaning.
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I think that the videos can also be watched in retroactive, from the last to the 1st.
-Behind the mask
-Hollywood tonight
-Hold my hand
-One more chance, as the last one.
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I was just noticing the similarities between the dying girl in HMH and Sofia in HT. They sort of resemble each other. This dying girl's eyes seem strange. If she in fact has died why are her eyes not fully dilated, her pupils are tiny? (I know that within seconds of my dog being put down, his pupils were fully dilated.) Maybe she's only dreaming...but the context is clearly that she is dead.[attachment=1:wk2g9fx5]hmh d girl.jpg[/attachment:wk2g9fx5][attachment=0:wk2g9fx5]ht sof.jpg[/attachment:wk2g9fx5]
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One More Chance: MJ puts the audience on stage and walks away at the end. Beam of light across the screen in the dark, near the end of the video.
Hold My Hand: video begins with audience in the dark with beam of light across the screen. MJ is a shadow, this life don't last forever. Watch it, it's the death and sorrow afterwards...
and then SOME began to BELIVE and their sorrow turned to joy (with discovery).
Ends with sead in the puddle on the Hollywood Star, gets stepped on, turns into a PALM TREE.
Hollywood Tonight: video starts with PALM TREES in Hollywood. The dancer works as a waitress at one part. Waitress in a Restaurant.
Billy Jean is mixed in because the lie becomes the truth.
Holy Shit I'm excited.
I'm so excited too......wow wow
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They way she seemed to wipe her hand over the MJ star was interesting, does anybody know if that gesture has any significance in any culture? It has to mean something. Of course, it could very well be her doing that just for the hell of it, but usually when it was focused that clearly for a period of time in the video it has some sort of important meaning...perhaps some underlying symbolism hidden within?
On the beach and In the desert you would wipe out in the sand what you wrote or designed.
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One More Chance: MJ puts the audience on stage and walks away at the end. Beam of light across the screen in the dark, near the end of the video.
Hold My Hand: video begins with audience in the dark with beam of light across the screen. MJ is a shadow, this life don't last forever. Watch it, it's the death and sorrow afterwards...
and then SOME began to BELIVE and their sorrow turned to joy (with discovery).
Ends with sead in the puddle on the Hollywood Star, gets stepped on, turns into a PALM TREE.
Hollywood Tonight: video starts with PALM TREES in Hollywood. The dancer works as a waitress at one part. Waitress in a Restaurant.
Billy Jean is mixed in because the lie becomes the truth.
Holy Shit I'm excited.
You have a point ! :)
That's why I defended Hollywood Tonight. Michael is putting us on the stage.
Also, remember "Keep Your Head Up" song. "She works in a restaurant night and day", that lyrics makes me think of Hollywood Tonight when we see the girl in the restaurant.
MJ is telling us the story of each and everyone of us. We're the Star, we're on stage. That's why One more chance, Hold my hand and Hollywood tonight are very good videos. :)
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I love the video. Like the song the video represents the hope and excitement to find "luck" of fame in Hollywood, you have to fight for it and once found the "luck" of fame, under guidance of Michael's spirit she realizes that fame isn't really her dream. Her dream and luck is what she really wants, to dance in the music video of Michael Jackson. She dances amazing!
The video is very well produced, Michael ;) . Some things were striking to me. The spoken bridge of Taryll Jackson is missing, I don't miss it really. AND: like I wrote earlier somewhere in this forum, I'm pretty sure that Michael appears in movies or video's as a cameo, like Alfred Hitchcock did in the beginning of his movies, which he produced. Michael does the same in this video. Before the girl steps out of the bus, look at 0.07 (7!) the reflection in the bus window: a person with a white shirt and black hair is walking away (in slow motion?). Weird that only this person is visible in the crowded street. That is the MAGIC optical trick because we're focussed on the person who's stepping out of the bus. At 0.14-0.16 it looks like that same person who's walking away.. is MJ :D
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it is obvious that many of these are all tied together. question is are they tied together to lead to the truth or to lead around in circles :(
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everlastinglove_MJ
:arrow: I didn't see the white shirt guy yet ! I'm going to watch it ! :shock:
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SHE IS ONE OF THEM
Thanks to EurasiaUral on twitter blog
http://twitter.com/EurasiaUral (http://twitter.com/EurasiaUral)
http://arvenru.wordpress.com/2011/03/13 ... e-of-them/ (http://arvenru.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/she-is-one-of-them/)
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Can be, Bec. Another video is about to come, Behind the mask. Would be interesting to see the all 4 in a row complementing each other.
Im not sure if you know this yet, so I was going to let you know what I know.
On March 7th, michaeljackson.com started a huge step.
They are asking fans from all over the world to upload 5 to 15 second video clips of them dancing. holding I <3 MJ signs, doing "hand fireworks", "dancing fingers", and singing. Among other things.
This is called the "Behind the Mask Project"
It ties in with the previous 3 videos.
As Bec has wonderfully explained ...so I give "Props to you!!!" :)
1. One More Chance (fans on stage MJ as audience, yet still performing)
2. Hold My Hand (Fans asking MJ to come back..and people going from crying to being happy)
3. Hollywood Tonight (a story of a girl who experiences the bad side of Hollywood then comes to realize her true calling of being in a MJ flashmob...in turn following her dream of being a dancer)
Very nice breakdown!
I'm going to add n my interpretation here from what I know:
4. Behind the Mask (fans actually being MJin a music video and portraying impressions along with their own Short Film innovations.
:)
oV Peace
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I love the video. Like the song the video represents the hope and excitement to find "luck" of fame in Hollywood, you have to fight for it and once found the "luck" of fame, under guidance of Michael's spirit she realizes that fame isn't really her dream. Her dream and luck is what she really wants, to dance in the music video of Michael Jackson. She dances amazing!
The video is very well produced, Michael ;) . Some things were striking to me. The spoken bridge of Taryll Jackson is missing, I don't miss it really. AND: like I wrote earlier somewhere in this forum, I'm pretty sure that Michael appears in movies or video's as a cameo, like Alfred Hitchcock did in the beginning of his movies, which he produced. Michael does the same in this video. Before the girl steps out of the bus, look at 0.07 (7!) the reflection in the bus window: a person with a white shirt and black hair is walking away (in slow motion?). Weird that only this person is visible in the crowded street. That is the MAGIC optical trick because we're focussed on the person who's stepping out of the bus. At 0.14-0.16 it looks like that same person who's walking away.. is MJ :D
OMG! GREAT CATCH!!! I havent even seen that and I did frame by frame analysis of the video at least 5 times! LOL!!! Great catch!!! :D
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how can you say looking at 0:07 that the white shirt man could be Michael? That person could also be a woman .... as it cannot be seen anything. I mean, not every person from the video who cannot be seen well means it is Michael.
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Did anyone notice that the lead dancer audition for TII? I saw her on the day 2 callback of the auditions.
She appears in Day 1 also.She is wearing the black fedora. Pause the video at 4:08. She starts talking about seeing MJ performing stage when she was younger.
[youtube:108fbwel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPU1xnVs2nQ[/youtube:108fbwel]
I was view Luma Jo 67 latest video and I spotted her.
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@Bec, I think it is very interesting how you connected the meanings of the videos.
Team MJ - whoever they are - is doing its job.
At 1:00 in the video we have a 7 (that 1600 VINE). We had a few 7s in Hold My Hand.
I like to think this is a code - the code of 7. Even if it is probably only imagination.
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@Bec, I think it is very interesting how you connected the meanings of the videos.
Team MJ - whoever they are - is doing its job.
At 1:00 in the video we have a 7 (that 1600 VINE). We had a few 7s in Hold My Hand.
I like to think this is a code - the code of 7. Even if it is probably only imagination.
Also...VINE=5
v4i9n5e5
4+9+5+5=23
2+3=5
July 5
See you in July! (2011)
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/vine.png)
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Steffy you made of it more than I was thinking of.....for me it was just a sign that he is behind. But MJ team already knows of our obsession for numbers, so to please both parties - non-believers abd believers - they drop a 7 here and there.
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@Bec, I think it is very interesting how you connected the meanings of the videos.
Team MJ - whoever they are - is doing its job.
At 1:00 in the video we have a 7 (that 1600 VINE). We had a few 7s in Hold My Hand.
I like to think this is a code - the code of 7. Even if it is probably only imagination.
Also...VINE=5
v4i9n5e5
4+9+5+5=23
2+3=5
July 5
See you in July! (2011)
steffymjlove - Can you check the video at 1:33? It looks like there is a handwritten " #7 " in the upper left hand corner of the "AUDITION" list that the guy is holding - also, I wondered, can you read any of the names on that list?
Thanks! :)
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Did anyone notice that the lead dancer audition for TII? I saw her on the day 2 callback of the auditions.
She appears in Day 1 also.She is wearing the black fedora. Pause the video at 4:08. She starts talking about seeing MJ performing stage when she was younger.
[youtube:24ulw3ix]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPU1xnVs2nQ[/youtube:24ulw3ix]
I was view Luma Jo 67 latest video and I spotted her.
OMG nice find!this is really a movie
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@Bec, I think it is very interesting how you connected the meanings of the videos.
Team MJ - whoever they are - is doing its job.
At 1:00 in the video we have a 7 (that 1600 VINE). We had a few 7s in Hold My Hand.
I like to think this is a code - the code of 7. Even if it is probably only imagination.
Also...VINE=5
v4i9n5e5
4+9+5+5=23
2+3=5
July 5
See you in July! (2011)
steffymjlove - Can you check the video at 1:33? It looks like there is a handwritten " #7 " in the upper left hand corner of the "AUDITION" list that the guy is holding - also, I wondered, can you read any of the names on that list?
Thanks! :)
:)
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/paper.png)
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steffymjlove - Can you check the video at 1:33? It looks like there is a handwritten " #7 " in the upper left hand corner of the "AUDITION" list that the guy is holding - also, I wondered, can you read any of the names on that list?
Thanks! :)
:)
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/paper.png)
Wow, Thanks! That is amazing software that you have!
So, there is another #7 in the upper left hand corner.
I don't see anything obvious in the list of names. (although # 8 is "Katie Perry"? The celebrity spells it "Katy")
Does anyone else see any unusual names or patterns in the list?
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steffymjlove - Can you check the video at 1:33? It looks like there is a handwritten " #7 " in the upper left hand corner of the "AUDITION" list that the guy is holding - also, I wondered, can you read any of the names on that list?
Thanks! :)
:)
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/Steffy_Levina/paper.png)
Wow, Thanks! That is amazing software that you have!
So, there is another #7 in the upper left hand corner.
I don't see anything obvious in the list of names. (although # 8 is "Katie Perry"? The celebrity spells it "Katy")
Does anyone else see any unusual names or patterns in the list?
nr.6 is very interesting :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What's at nb. 6, can't read it
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What's at nb. 6, can't read it
ME TOO...i think we should focus on that (?) there are way to many letters over there...
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What's at nb. 6, can't read it
ME TOO...i think we should focus on that (?) there are way to many letters over there...
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/MJArmyAngel/closer-1.png
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What's at nb. 6, can't read it
ME TOO...i think we should focus on that (?) there are way to many letters over there...
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/MJArmyAngel/closer-1.png
I'm probably seeing things but #7 upclose looks like it says; yoda bam. :lol:
What's up with #6 it's like it's in Chinese or something.
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wow steffy how you take those close clear views ?! Amazing! I think you should use that for the ambulance pic!!
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I was thinking since this hoax is about numbers and supposedly before MJ 'died' he left a note saying HMH is to be first on the album. So it got me thinking does that mean we should look at the numbers of songs on the album and those that also have a music video.
HMH is #1 on the album
Hollywood Tonight is #2 on the album
and I think Behind the Mask is #9 on the album
So we have 129 but I have no idea what it could mean could it be 12/9 or 129 days til something or not mean anything at all?
It probably doesn't mean anything but I'm just exploring all possibilities. :)
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Hum, surely not the bam. :)
Because, I don't think planned a date for the return: because of the world news.
Imagine, he plans to come back for exemple 7th July. I think he would be screwed if the 6th a big event happens on earth, with a lot of dead people, like Japon stuff or others natural event. So, for me, if I was Michael, i wouldn't plan my comeback date. ;)
ps: Can you send me in PM the good sentence without mistakes, I'm note native english and I would like the correct my mistakes.
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Hum, surely not the bam. :)
Because, I don't think planned a date for the return: because of the world news.
Imagine, he plans to come back for exemple 7th July. I think he would be screwed if the 6th a big event happens on earth, with a lot of dead people, like Japon stuff or others natural event. So, for me, if I was Michael, i wouldn't plan my comeback date. ;)
ps: Can you send me in PM the good sentence without mistakes, I'm note native english and I would like the correct my mistakes.
True, if he does come back he may choose a date I think, at the last possible moment. Who knows he may of extended the time or cut the time short.
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What's at nb. 6, can't read it
ME TOO...i think we should focus on that (?) there are way to many letters over there...
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/MJArmyAngel/closer-1.png
I'm probably seeing things but #7 upclose looks like it says; yoda bam. :lol:
What's up with #6 it's like it's in Chinese or something.
yoda bam
mad aboy
thats interesting
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What's at nb. 6, can't read it
ME TOO...i think we should focus on that (?) there are way to many letters over there...
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/MJArmyAngel/closer-1.png
Looks like a Japanese signature.
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Did anyone notice that the lead dancer audition for TII? I saw her on the day 2 callback of the auditions.
She appears in Day 1 also.She is wearing the black fedora. Pause the video at 4:08. She starts talking about seeing MJ performing stage when she was younger.
[youtube:12guydc9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPU1xnVs2nQ[/youtube:12guydc9]
I was view Luma Jo 67 latest video and I spotted her.
Hello techdiva :D !!!!
Even if this is double post I will pass that :( , and post what I found here because it's very important for the rest to see :shock: .Again we have a contradictory story and it's very strange because all this Hoax it's very strange but we already know that,lol.So here it's what I had found :? :
Exclusive: Inside Michael Jackson’s “Hollywood”
Michael Jackson was so impressed with dancer, Sofia Boutella — star of the late icon’s new music video for “Hollywood Tonight” — he was ready to offer her the opportunity of a lifetime: the chance to dance alongside him on his This Is It concert series at the O2 Arena in London. Unfortunately, she was still under contract for Madonna’s Confessions Tour :shock: :shock: :shock: at the time and couldn’t get out of it. Seeing how disappointed Boutella was, Jackson turned to a couple of his collaborators and said: “I used to date Madonna. I should call her.”
While Boutella ultimately missed out on This Is It :shock: :? , she pays admirable homage to the King of Pop in his most recent posthumous video, which paints the story of a young, ambitious girl trying to make it in Hollywood without being swallowed by its trappings and illusions. It’s a well-worn tale, but is carried out tastefully by director, Wayne Isham, and sparked by the infectious energy and talent of Boutella. The video also reminds — along with recent MJ tributes on American Idol and Glee — how profound Jackson’s influence continues to be on new generations (many of whom only “discovered” him after his tragic death in 2009).
“Hollywood Tonight” is the second single to be released from Jackson’s posthumous album, MICHAEL
(“Behind the Mask” is the alternate single for several countries, including the United States).
The song has a long and winding history. Jackson first put down a sketch of the lyrics in 1999 while staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Soon after, he began working out the music with longtime friend and collaborator, Brad Buxer (who co-wrote the song). The song traveled with them from Los Angeles to New York, Miami to Neverland, during the early Invincible sessions. Jackson and Buxer were pumping out some outstanding material around this time, including songs like “Beautiful Girl,” “The Way You Love Me,” “Speechless,” “The Lost Children,” “Shut Up and Dance” (a great dance track Jackson and Buxer worked on with Michael Prince and Eric Kirkland with echoes of Stevie Wonder and MJ circa Bad which, unfortunately, doesn’t have complete vocals) and “I Was the Loser” (a nice, melodic mid-tempo tune about lost love that is mostly finished), among others. A couple of years earlier Jackson and Buxer had also worked on artistic standouts like “Morphine” and “In the Back.”
Now how come Sofia missed out This is it when we see her clear at the auditions for This is it :shock: ????? And second how come she was under contract with Madonna when her Confession tour was in 2006 :? :lol: ???? Now is this strange or no???? When the auditions for This is is started actually, before 2006,after 2006 or in 2009????? What is Sofia doing at the auditions if she missed out????
Here are the information from Wikipedia, about Madonna Confessios tour:
Tour by Madonna
Associated album Confessions on a Dance Floor
Start date May 21, 2006
End date September 21, 2006
Legs 3
Shows 34 in North America
22 in Europe
4 in Asia
60 Total
Gross revenue $194.7 million
And for things to be more funny you will never guess wich number is this tour she had in 2006 :lol: ???? Yes ,yes that one was her SEVENTH concert tour.
LOVE
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She is also listed as a dancer for the Sticky and Sweet Tour, 2008-2009. There was a break in the tour from the end of December, 2008 until July 4, 2009 when Madonna performed at the O2 - so I guess that is how Sofia was able to be in L.A. for the "This is It" auditions ;)
All the info. at this link:
http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-an ... ails.htm#R (http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-and-sweet-tour/details.htm#R)
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Guys, One of the names on the Audition List in the video is Anika Halderson. You may want to do some research on her. IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND AWAY. I will see if I can decipher more of the names. Wish me luck.
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Guys, One of the names on the Audition List in the video is Anika Halderson. You may want to do some research on her. IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND AWAY. I will see if I can decipher more of the names. Wish me luck.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... erson&aq=f (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Anika+Halderson&aq=f)
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Number 9
Makahla Ross
http://www.google.com/search?client=ubu ... 8&oe=utf-8 (http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=makarla+russ&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
http://www.mtv.com/shows/sweet_16/episo ... eID=126111 (http://www.mtv.com/shows/sweet_16/episode.jhtml?episodeID=126111)
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steffymjlove, thanks I think that there is more information on Anika Halderson(sp) Haldorsen? was part of a company called Dance Educators of America. DEA. I was able to check the website out and saw that in the year 2008 she came in 3rd place under the Senior-Duet number.
I belief she got a National Scholarship.
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steffymjlove, thanks I think that there is more information on Anika Halderson(sp) Haldorsen? was part of a company called Dance Educators of America. DEA. I was able to check the website out and saw that in the year 2008 she came in 3rd place under the Senior-Duet number.
Wow!! Thats great!!!
Lets see if we can figure out what 2,3,4 and 5 are.
I can't really make those ones out.
LOL! 6 is going to take some sure skills to decipher. :lol:
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steffymjlove, If I am not mistaken Ms Makahla Ross got a couple of Dance Scholarships as well. It is beginning to look like Michael is cleaning up Hollywood. Giving these young people a chance(decent chance) to make it big from all of their hard work. Letting the younger generation know that someone out there cares that they are working hard and that their work will not go unnoticed.
Well, let me get back to work on the names.
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Guys I have a questions, Do all of the people that auditioned for the Michael's This Is It are under a contract. Were any of them got call backs but not for This Is It, but for future projects. The reason why I am saying this is because of Sofia and the other people that were in the video. Did any of you recognized and of those dancers from the audition for This is It.
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To me it sounds like the base is different in the video than on the ablum. The song sounds like Billie Jean in the video.. ( I read an article about the album review and T.M.Z said it sounded like Billie Jean.) It seems to sound nothing like Billie Jean to me.
Anyone else?
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From Wikipedia - not sure about the actual source for this information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight)
"On March 10, 2011, the full video was released on Jackson's Youtube VEVO page. A new remix - made by mixing the beat of "Billie Jean" - was used in the video. This new version is the original demo recording of the song used exclusively for this video, in result of a fans request to release the song "the way Michael left it", as it's supposed that Jackson used the beats of Billie Jean as a guide base."
Just showing this to the poster above me.
This post was on page 1. :)
Just a refresher.
oV Peace
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Guys I have a questions, Do all of the people that auditioned for the Michael's This Is It are under a contract. Were any of them got call backs but not for This Is It, but for future projects. The reason why I am saying this is because of Sofia and the other people that were in the video. Did any of you recognized and of those dancers from the audition for This is It.
What I want to know is when the contracts end?
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From Wikipedia - not sure about the actual source for this information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight)
"On March 10, 2011, the full video was released on Jackson's Youtube VEVO page. A new remix - made by mixing the beat of "Billie Jean" - was used in the video. This new version is the original demo recording of the song used exclusively for this video, in result of a fans request to release the song "the way Michael left it", as it's supposed that Jackson used the beats of Billie Jean as a guide base."
Just showing this to the poster above me.
This post was on page 1. :)
Just a refresher.
oV Peace
Thank you. I think the demo is alot better , but who am I to say anything?
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Guys I have a questions, Do all of the people that auditioned for the Michael's This Is It are under a contract. Were any of them got call backs but not for This Is It, but for future projects. The reason why I am saying this is because of Sofia and the other people that were in the video. Did any of you recognized and of those dancers from the audition for This is It.
What I want to know is when the contracts end?
Well your question led to some interesting information!
If you go to this link - http://www.mjjboard.com/king-pop-news-d ... tions.html (http://www.mjjboard.com/king-pop-news-desk/7339-michael-jackson-auditions.html)
There is an interview with two female dancers who were at the auditions - according to their interview, it wasn't an "open call" audition -
"How did you get selected to audition for Michael Jackson?
All the top agency’s in the US and internationally were contacted to send in their top dancers. It was picture submission. So we were selected off our headshots and resume."
And at this link - http://victoriaparsons.blogspot.com/200 ... t-two.html (http://victoriaparsons.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-had-to-do-quick-blog-about-last-two.html)
Another dancer talks about what it was like at the auditions. She says "they only needed 2 women and 1 alternate. They called three names forward... Tyne, Sofia, and another girl(unknown). Asked if they had any conflicts in the next two years... they all shook their heads... "you're booked!"
So according to this account, Sofia was actually chosen as a dancer at the TII audition. Since the TII movie does not show her as being chosen that either means she was the "alternate" or she found out (or remembered) she did have a conflict in the next two years (since Madonna announced the Summer 2009 Sticky/Sweet tour in January 2009 according to this link - http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-an ... ails.htm#R (http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-and-sweet-tour/details.htm#R) - "In January 2009, Madonna announced she would extend the tour with 22 European shows in the summer of 2009. This was the first time Madonna added such an extension to one of her tours.")
That's very interesting. ;)
And I guess in answer to the "contract" question, it is assumed it was for two years since they asked people if they had any conflicts for the next two years. But you would think that if the star of the show "died" they would be let out of their contract.
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And I guess in answer to the "contract" question, it is assumed it was for two years since they asked people if they had any conflicts for the next two years. But you would think that if the star of the show "died" they would be let out of their contract.
That's an interesting point - legally I wonder how one stands if the show you have been hired for and contracted to is cancelled because of the death of the main performer. Would your contract still stand? Who were the dancers contracted to? Would it have been AEG?
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No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
Ahhh, you're so right. The magic is not in the new album either. I miss it too!
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I think the video has the magic of Michael throughout it. 8-)
The true magic that is missing though is Michael himself. :cry:
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From Wikipedia - not sure about the actual source for this information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Tonight)
"On March 10, 2011, the full video was released on Jackson's Youtube VEVO page. A new remix - made by mixing the beat of "Billie Jean" - was used in the video. This new version is the original demo recording of the song used exclusively for this video, in result of a fans request to release the song "the way Michael left it", as it's supposed that Jackson used the beats of Billie Jean as a guide base."
Just showing this to the poster above me.
This post was on page 1. :)
Just a refresher.
oV Peace
Thank you. I think the demo is alot better , but who am I to say anything?
I agree with you...but theres a reason it was released this way :)
The truth becomes a lie.
Billie Jean. :)
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:( good video, but the lack of MJ's magic is undeniable.....its not the same without him...sorry :roll:
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Jackson turned to a couple of his collaborators and said: “I used to date Madonna. I should call her.”
Love this...I know its not hoax related but it made me chuckle...
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Jackson turned to a couple of his collaborators and said: “I used to date Madonna. I should call her.”
Love this...I know its not hoax related but it made me chuckle...
Hello elocin_mj!!!! :D
Yes I love that also,Mj is a lady's man,lol :oops: .
LOVE YOU!!!
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She is also listed as a dancer for the Sticky and Sweet Tour, 2008-2009. There was a break in the tour from the end of December, 2008 until July 4, 2009 when Madonna performed at the O2 - so I guess that is how Sofia was able to be in L.A. for the "This is It" auditions ;)
All the info. at this link:
http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-an ... ails.htm#R (http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-and-sweet-tour/details.htm#R)
Hello pepper!!!
Intresting that she was in Madonna last tour,also.I looked to wikipedia informations and her name in the Sticky and Sour tour is spelled wrong :? .
Dancers – Vadim Kolpakov, Leroy Barnes, Sofia Voutella, Jason Boyd, Emilie Capel, William Charlemoine, Paul Kirkland, Jennifer Kita, Kento Mori, Yaman Okur, Charles Park IV, Valeree Pohl, Anthony Rue Jr., Nilaya Savnis, Jason Young, Riki Onodera and Yuki Yoshida.
LOVE
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For those who does not like the Billie Jean mix, here is the video with the "album mix" courtesy of Dangerous Incorporated.
:arrow: http://www.twitvid.com/JCT7P (http://www.twitvid.com/JCT7P)
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Funny, Michael Jackson's VEVO channel has 52 videos... 5+2=7 :lol:
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Guys I have a questions, Do all of the people that auditioned for the Michael's This Is It are under a contract. Were any of them got call backs but not for This Is It, but for future projects. The reason why I am saying this is because of Sofia and the other people that were in the video. Did any of you recognized and of those dancers from the audition for This is It.
What I want to know is when the contracts end?
Well your question led to some interesting information!
If you go to this link - http://www.mjjboard.com/king-pop-news-d ... tions.html (http://www.mjjboard.com/king-pop-news-desk/7339-michael-jackson-auditions.html)
There is an interview with two female dancers who were at the auditions - according to their interview, it wasn't an "open call" audition -
"How did you get selected to audition for Michael Jackson?
All the top agency’s in the US and internationally were contacted to send in their top dancers. It was picture submission. So we were selected off our headshots and resume."
And at this link - http://victoriaparsons.blogspot.com/200 ... t-two.html (http://victoriaparsons.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-had-to-do-quick-blog-about-last-two.html)
Another dancer talks about what it was like at the auditions. She says "they only needed 2 women and 1 alternate. They called three names forward... Tyne, Sofia, and another girl(unknown). Asked if they had any conflicts in the next two years... they all shook their heads... "you're booked!"
So according to this account, Sofia was actually chosen as a dancer at the TII audition. Since the TII movie does not show her as being chosen that either means she was the "alternate" or she found out (or remembered) she did have a conflict in the next two years (since Madonna announced the Summer 2009 Sticky/Sweet tour in January 2009 according to this link - http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-an ... ails.htm#R (http://www.mad-eyes.net/tours/sticky-and-sweet-tour/details.htm#R) - "In January 2009, Madonna announced she would extend the tour with 22 European shows in the summer of 2009. This was the first time Madonna added such an extension to one of her tours.")
That's very interesting. ;)
And I guess in answer to the "contract" question, it is assumed it was for two years since they asked people if they had any conflicts for the next two years. But you would think that if the star of the show "died" they would be let out of their contract.
Thank You pepper...awesome find. :D
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For me, it's the proof that he's really dead.
Like the trial.
You think MJ's dead now? :o
You've been here for so long though! Don't lose faith over this! Michael's behind the camera, remember! :o ;)
I just told this to shock you.
Why do you say it's not MJ's magic, there is no MJ... So he's dead ?
People, just think.
He's alive, I'm sure HE made the video, the video is HIS magic.
You can't see this because you're too focused on the past, on other video clips, etc...
Now it's now. It's no time to break charts, or to make new innovative videos...
Michael do this for something else. Don't just see the artistic purpose.
This is a good video, with such an amazing dancer.
What I see is the same theater as "You are not alone". Yes, MJ's message to us.
What I see is a link between the stars of Hold My Hand video and Hollywood.
You know, at the end of Hold My Hand, someone walking on the star, with rain, we only see the feet. Now, at 2:50 you see the feet and the legs. Remember the PIECE BY PIECE thing ?
What I see is a dancer who could be on This is it Tour but refused because of planning. And now she's on Michael's video. Coincidence ?
What I see at 2:50 it's a Michael's joke. You think it's him walking, but no, it's Sofia. For me that means he still there, and soon we'll see him walk, for truth.
What I see is that like in One More Chance video, MJ is putting US on the stage. The dancer represents the fans, everybody, like the people in the flashmob, anonymous.
I also see 7 stars in front of the theater.
So, I simply see Michael's Magic. He's trully behind the camera.
But you people only see the artistic vision, compare it to videos from the past.
You know why it's also MJ's magic ?
Because the video is controversial.
MJ has always been controversial.
We talk about him. He has success.
So, please, stop telling me there is no Michael, because if you think so, so what ? For me that opinion means that MJ's dead, because if the video is so crappy for you, why would he accept to put it online ?
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ps: The Billie Jean beat on the song is just amazing.
Bravo Michael. Pure Genius.
Cameron - great post! I agree with you - we need to start thinking outside of the box and there are so many clues of Michael's presence that he's giving us in this video. JMO. Blessings.
Steffi - about your links....there are some real gems in those links. I loved the picture of Dodo and the post about 55555...however, I don't see any fives in that black picture. Can you tell me what the picture is and where the 5's are? Yes, I know there is a circle but I just don't see those fives. Someone is great at spotting those other 5's though...great job.
Sure sounds like it's for sure the dodo's a part of this whole adventure.
I also have a question about the flash dance - and I keep asking but I miss it if someone answers me. Why, oh why, is Travis Payne and those two TII dancers doing flash dances all over the world? They sure seemed to be enjoying themselves. You can bet that they aren't doing this for free...so who is paying them? And better yet...why? The only answer I have is to spread Michael's name and music all over the world. I love what they are doing.
Blessings to you all. Keep the faith.
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Jackson turned to a couple of his collaborators and said: “I used to date Madonna. I should call her.”
Love this...I know its not hoax related but it made me chuckle...
Hello elocin_mj!!!! :D
Yes I love that also,Mj is a lady's man,lol :oops: .
LOVE YOU!!!
That is so cute and funny.
No wonder so many women love him. I think we can just tell even without knowing him personally that he loved he ladies. So why not love him for loving us? ;)
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No magic there for me...I miss the magic. :(
Ahhh, you're so right. The magic is not in the new album either. I miss it too!
It's a story...
[youtube:17v63b27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r9AXgrMhRQ[/youtube:17v63b27]
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Do you remember all of the Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and funeral ? In Liberian Girl, Mj was behind the camera which is probably where he's at in these videos. ;)
I'm sure Michael had a great deal of say in the elements that were put together in these recent videos, but speaking of Liberian Girl, I wonder if James Yukich and Kenny Ortega had bounced any ideas off of each for the memorial? Remember, James Yukich was the director of Liberian Girl and he also worked with Kenny Ortega on High School Musical The Concert. The memorial to me kind of had a Liberian Girl theme to it. Michael is directing this whole thing.
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And I believe everyone in here has seen the reversed version of "Hollywood Tonight", where MJ clearly sings "Illuminati" or "Illuminati watches".
This could be hinting that Hollywood isn't a good thing. Illuminati is behind it (?).
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And I believe everyone in here has seen the reversed version of "Hollywood Tonight", where MJ clearly sings "Illuminati" or "Illuminati watches".
This could be hinting that Hollywood isn't a good thing. Illuminati is behind it (?).
Maybe that this video gives a little answer...
[youtube:13jbff3j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLh3hF8HOk8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:13jbff3j]
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And I believe everyone in here has seen the reversed version of "Hollywood Tonight", where MJ clearly sings "Illuminati" or "Illuminati watches".
This could be hinting that Hollywood isn't a good thing. Illuminati is behind it (?).
Maybe that this video gives a little answer...
[youtube:1nwqzvzc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLh3hF8HOk8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1nwqzvzc]
It really does.
But why is Hollywood involved with Illuminati? Since when?
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Hi angranity...Hollywood is a good tool to control the people and make them blind to the truth and oblivious to what is really important in life. Since when...I cannot really tell you but very early I presume.
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Somebody had found some information that "555" was the gematria numerology for "an eagle" (Sorry, I couldn't find your post again to quote you, but thankyou. Some additional information about the spiritual and shamanistic meaning of the eagle.
Eagle, Power Animal, Symbol of Spirit, Vision and Strength
By Ina Woolcott
Eagle's medicine includes swiftness, strength, courage, wisdom, keen sight, illumination of Spirit, healing, creation, knowledge of magic, ability to see hidden spiritual truths, rising above the material to see the spiritual, ability to see the overall pattern/big picture, connection to spirit guides and teachers and higher truths, great power and balance, dignity with grace, intuitive and creative spirit, respect for the boundaries of the regions, grace achieved through knowledge and hard work.
Us earthbound humans have for time unknown been inspired by the sight of eagles soaring high in the sky. In ancient Greece the eagle was associated with Zeus, who sometimes shape shifted into one so he could hurl his thunderbolts. In some Native American belief systems the eagle symbolises the Thunderbird, also associated with thunder and lightning. The eagle is a sacred messenger, carrying our prayers on its wings to the Creator/All That Is/Spirit, and returning with gifts and visions for the people. Eagle feathers assist medicine people/shamans in connecting with Spirit for healing. They are deemed the most sacred healing tools, a symbol of power, healing and wisdom. The eagle is also linked to the sun in Gaelic lore, having been called in the Gaelic language Suil-na-Greine, Eye of the Sun.
As well as its ties with the powerful energies of the sky, Eagle holds a deeper meaning. From eagle we learn that life looks different from an aerial perspective. We need to take a new view on the challenges in our lives. If we don't readily find solutions it may be because our vision is too limited to see the solutions that are so glaringly obvious.
Tying in with this thread of thought, one of the lessons to be learned from eagle is not to depend exclusively on intellectual solutions. Through its connection to the air element, eagle is connected to intelligence, but also to Spirit, the knowing that goes far beyond intellect.
Some of Eagles powers are independence, vision and strength. We can see why the eagle has been, and still is, revered. The eagles home is the freedom of the sky. He spends most of his time fearlessly flying high above, bridging heaven and earth, scanning below carefully. Their vision is 8 times stronger than humans, enabling them to see prey miles off. Weighing less than a domestic cat, Eagles strength has nothing to do with his size. Their feet and talons are stronger than a human hand, able to soar down with precision grabbing hold of their prey, mid-flight.
Eagles beak is connected to his jaw and the strongest part of his body. It is designed for breaking and crushing. We are reminded to pay attention to our speech and how it affects others. What we say and tone of our voice should be examined. We mainly use our jaws for speaking. The lesson here is to control what we say, how much and when. Uncontrolled talk makes it easy to hurt someone verbally, to break or crush them with your words.
The vision they posses helps us learn to take a step back and view the bigger picture. We need to view the past and the present objectively, whilst looking towards the future. We need to open our minds and hearts to see past old, restricting beliefs that are holding us back. Eagle teaches us to courageously face our fear of the unknown, so we are then able to fly as high as our heart's joy can take us. Your strengths need to be utilised wisely and remember, to soar like Eagle you must view things with caution, being confident and trusting your abilities.
Eagle is also linked with courage. To give up our limited perspectives, to release ourselves from comfortable, familiar thought patterns, even when they don't appear to be working, and fly into a larger world requires that we are brave enough to enter unknown realms. This is further emphasised by Native American and Celtic tales, of shamans and druids who shapeshifted into eagles.
Mental and emotional shapeshifting is sometimes necessary if we want to grow and learn. As with all things there are risks involved in allowing our beings to assume new forms, however the rewards are greater. Eagle asks us to recognise that the earth is not our only home, as well for us to join it in the flight to our true home - the world of Spirit.
Eagles are majestic and bear a powerful presence. They can be social birds, but they do need isolation from human intrusion to breed in the wild. If a human comes to close or touches their nest, they are very likely to abandon it. Both the male and female eagles incubate the eggs and share the duties of raising their young.
The eagle is an incredibly patient being, often perching in a tree, holding the same position for hours on end. Those with this power animal are shown how to master the art of patience in every area of their life. For within the energy of patience all things are possible.
Eagle teaches us how to go through life without becoming attached to anything, how to accept what comes our way and see everything as a gift from the universe. With their acute hearing they hunt as much by ear as by sight. If eagle soars into your life, the ability to hear spiritually and psychically will awaken.
Eagle reminds us to communicate with All That Is on a daily basis, so the gifts offered you can be utilised fully. Keeping this up removes judgement from our consciousness. When we cease to judge, we speak with encouragement and kindness towards others. Lessons that are linked with judgement are part of this medicine and sure to be coming your way.
If Eagle is your power animal, you feel the need to have an involvement with creation, a willingness to experience extremes, a willingness to use your abilities, a willingness to seek out your true emotions. You must become much more than you ever imagined would be possible.
Eagle symbolises a state of being that is reached through inner work, understanding and passing the initiation tests that come about from reclaiming our personal power. Eagle is the gift of clear vision with which one can truly see, to live in balance with heaven and Earth. Eagle shows you how to look above so you are able to touch Grandfather Sun with your heart, to love the Shadow as much as the Light. You are being asked to give yourself permission to be free in order to reach the joy that your heart longs for.
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Somebody had found some information that "555" was the gematria numerology for "an eagle" (Sorry, I couldn't find your post again to quote you, but thankyou. Some additional information about the spiritual and shamanistic meaning of the eagle.
Thank You mjintrigue2012
Bus Number 555 was an interesting Clue I thought and this for a number of reasons:
1. The Date "coincidence"
The Oprah show is on the 5/25/2011 ---> 5/25 could also be read 5/5X5
The Dodo also emphasised 55555 in some of his tweets
The number 5 is important and May is the fifth month of the year.
2. The Eagle other Symbolism: The Great Seal of the USA
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States
The Great Seal of the United States is used to authenticate certain documents issued by the United States federal government. The phrase is used both for the physical seal itself (which is kept by the United States Secretary of State), and more generally for the design impressed upon it. The Great Seal was first used publicly in 1782.
The obverse of the great seal is used as the national coat of arms of the United States.[1] It is officially used on documents such as United States passports, military insignia, embassy placards, and various flags. As a coat of arms, the design has official colors; the physical Great Seal itself, as affixed to paper, is monochrome.
Since 1935, both sides of the Great Seal have appeared on the reverse of the one-dollar bill. The Seal of the President of the United States is directly based on the Great Seal, and its elements are used in numerous government agency and state seals.
The Design was done by Charles Thomson (Not the Journalist but who knows they may be related! ;) ) and adopted in 1782. The Motto reads:
E pluribus unum means "Out of Many, One"
Annuit cœptis signifies that Providence has "approved of (our) undertakings."
Novus ordo seclorum, freely taken from Virgil, is Latin for "a new order of the ages."
3. Michael and the Eagle
Michael has been seen on a number of occasions with badges or medals representing an Eagle. Here are a 2 examples below:
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(http://oi55.tinypic.com/se98c9.jpg)
There is no doubt that the Eagle is important to Michael, maybe because of its spiritual symbolism:
The eagle is a sacred messenger, carrying our prayers on its wings to the Creator/All That Is/Spirit, and returning with gifts and visions for the people. (Extract from mjintrigue2012 post above)
With L.O.V.E