Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2011 => Topic started by: Yambo3003 on February 13, 2011, 09:43:14 PM
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"Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can the floods drown it."
Song of Solomon 8:7
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The water theme returns.
Remember the rumor that the song "Water" was to be on the album Michael? A rumor sometimes accompanied by the side mention that the song "Water" was to be incorporated into the alleged TII shows.
Then there's always Aquarius, the zodiac sign including March if memory serves? And the approaching age of Aquarius as foretold. SD? You reading? She'd know I bet.
There's the river Nile, who's basin the 14 pieces of Osirus were strewn and from which Isis collected them from in order to resurrect him.
There's more in regards to water references but my brain is mushy tonight.
Ps. Thanks TS.
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Happy Valentine's Day......it's all about LOVE.
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Water.........hmmm. The first thing that I thought of was Jesus and how if you follow him you will never thirst. I have a feeling I am way off though.
I did not get to see all of the Grammy's so could someone tell me if Michael won? Thanks
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Water.........hmmm. The first thing that I thought of was Jesus and how if you follow him you will never thirst. I have a feeling I am way off though.
I did not get to see all of the Grammy's so could someone tell me if Michael won? Thanks
:( No MJ did not win, Bruno Mars took the grammy.
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Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned. ~Song of Solomon 8:7
Neither common nor uncommon adversities, even of the most ruinous nature, can destroy love when it is pure; and pure love is such that nothing can procure it. If it be not excited naturally, no money can purchase it, no property can procure it, no arts can persuade it.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cmt/clarke/sol008.htm
Nothing will stand in the way of true love, it is eternal (love lives forever). There is nothing that can be used to obtain true love, money won't buy it. Those who experience and/or share it, will know it's depth and nothing can lure them away from this truth.
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This is a beautiful sentiment. "It's All For L.O.V.E." Thank you, TS and Happy St. Valentine's Day.
While I will take the verse at face value, and obviously TS wanted us to take comfort in the first part of the verse, I was also interested in the full verse which says:
New International Version
Song of Solomon 8:7
Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot wash it away. If one were to give all the wealth of his house for love, it would be utterly scorned.
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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
8:5-7 The Jewish church came up from the wilderness, supported by Divine power and favour. The Christian church was raised from a low, desolate condition, by the grace of Christ relied on. Believers, by the power of grace, are brought up from the wilderness. A sinful state is a wilderness in which there is no true comfort; it is a wandering, wanting state: There is no coming out of this wilderness, but leaning on Christ as our Beloved, by faith; not leaning to our own understanding, nor trusting in any righteousness of our own; but in the strength of him, who is the Lord our Righteousness. The words of the church to Christ which follow, entreat an abiding place in his love, and protection by his power. Set me as a seal upon thine heart; let me always have a place in thine heart; let me have an impression of love upon thine heart. Of this the soul would be assured, and without a sense thereof no rest is to be found. Those who truly love Christ, are jealous of every thing that would draw them from him; especially of themselves, lest they should do any thing to provoke him to withdraw from them. If we love Christ, the fear of coming short of his love, or the temptations to forsake him, will be most painful to us. No waters can quench Christ's love to us, nor any floods drown it. Let nothing abate our love to him. Nor will life, and all its comforts, entice a believer from loving Christ. Love of Christ, will enable us to repel and triumph over temptations from the smiles of the world, as well as from its frowns.
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Roger had planned to send a great many valentines to the girls and boys he knew. There were beautiful valentines in the toy shop window, red satin hearts in little heart-shaped boxes, painted post card valentines, and little card-board figures holding baskets of flowers.
Roger had been saving his allowance for four weeks and he was quite sure that he had enough money to buy a valentine for the little girl next door, and one for the little girl across the street, and one for the boy on the next block, and one for the boy who lived upstairs.
So, quite early the day before Saint Valentine's Day, Roger decided to go out and buy his valentines.
Just as he was about to start, though, he heard a sound from the playroom. Peep, peep, peep. Oh, it was Roger's pet canary who was calling to him, "Wait a moment, little master! You have forgotten to feed me."
Roger knew that he must not buy valentines if his pet bird was hungry. He found that it needed fresh water to drink, and the cage needed cleaning too. When he had done all this and filled the seed box, his mother called him.
"I want two yards more of lace like this for the baby's dress, Roger. Will you please go down to the store and buy it for me?"
"Oh, yes!" Roger said, for he thought that he should be able to go on down to the toy store and buy his valentines at the same time. But just as he was going out of the door his mother spoke again. "Come right home, Roger, just as quickly as you can. I want to finish the baby's dress so that she can wear it this afternoon when I take her over to Aunt Lucy's."
Roger got the lace and hurried home with it, but he couldn't get the valentines then. He had to amuse the baby while his mother sewed on the lace.
"I can go for the valentines this afternoon," Roger thought. But right after luncheon mother dressed the baby and started out for Aunt Lucy's house.
"I may not be back until five o'clock, Roger," his mother said as she kissed him good-bye. "You won't leave dear grandmother alone a minute, will you?"
"No, mother," Roger said, but he could have cried, for he knew now that he could not buy his valentines at all.
Grandmother lost her spectacles several times, and dropped her knitting ball several more times, and wanted Roger to take her for a walk, so he was very busy all the afternoon. He was glad to be busy for he felt very badly indeed about having no valentines to send. All the children to whom he had planned to send valentines had sent valentines to him the year before. The children were his loved playmates and he knew that Saint Valentine's Day was the holiday for telling one's love.
He did not let his dear grandmother know how sorry he was, though, and after a while it was five o'clock, and his mother came home.
"Has Roger been a good boy?" she asked his grandmother.
"As good as gold," grandmother said. "He has just warmed my heart all the afternoon."
"Well, I thought he would," his mother said. "Oh, I almost forgot something, Roger. I have a surprise for you up in the attic."
She went up to the attic and came back with a box in her hand.
"I meant to give these to you this morning, Roger," she said. "I found them in an old trunk when I was cleaning the attic last week. They are just as good as new and much prettier than the ones in the shops now, I think. They are the valentines that I had when I was a little girl."
Oh, such beautiful valentines as filled the valentine box! There were enough so that Roger could take one to every child in the neighborhood on the morning of Saint Valentine's Day.
His mother had been right about these pretty, old-fashioned valentines. They were nicer than any in the toy shop. Roger spread them all out on the library table, and looked at them. Suddenly he found out something queer about the valentines; they made him feel as if he had been playing Saint Valentine all day.
Some of the valentines had cunning little paper windows that pulled out and showed tiny gold birds inside. They made Roger think of his pet canary that he had fed that morning.
Some of the valentines were bordered and trimmed with gilt, and silver, and white paper lace. It made Roger think of the lace he had bought for his mother.
A great many of the valentines were in the shape of hearts, or there were hearts hung from them, or hearts on them that could be pulled out and would stand alone. They made Roger think of what his dear grandmother had said,
"Roger has warmed my heart all the afternoon."
"Hurrah for the valentine box!" Roger said as he began putting valentines in envelopes. He felt most unusually happy.
HAPPY VALENTINES DAY TO TS AND TO ALL OF YOU
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Love is forever...love conquers all...Love is waterproof lol
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If we don't have love we have nothing.....
We love you Michael.......more
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I know Michael wasn't awarded anything in this year's Grammy, but if the heart-felt love all of us in the world have for MJ was to be actually measured, there is no artist that could come close. And we feel his love for us!
[youtube:cxcu9nih]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28hv5k9V9E[/youtube:cxcu9nih]
You Are My Life lyrics
Once all alone
I was lost in a world of strangers
No one to trust
On my own, I was lonely
You suddenly appeared
It was cloudy before but now it's all clear
You took away the fear
And you brought me back to the light
[CHORUS]
You are the sun
You make me shine
Or more like the stars
That twinkle at night
You are the moon
That glows in my heart
You’re my daytime my nighttime
My world
You are my life
Now I wake up everyday
With this smile upon my face
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-j ... yrics.html (http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/you-are-my-life-lyrics.html)]
No more tears, no more pain
‘Cause you love me
You help me understand
That love is the answer to all that I am
And I’m a better man
Since you taught me by sharing your life
[CHORUS 2x]
You gave me strength
When I wasn’t strong
You gave me hope when all hope was lost
You opened my eyes when I couldn’t see
Love was always here waiting for me [Chorus 3x]
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I believe we are talking here about true love… pure spiritual love… not the physical form that many of us celebrate on Valentine’s day.
True love will not die but will grow stronger… it cannot be destroyed.
Love, in its pure spiritual form, is a force of attraction that brings together separate parts of a whole. Regardless of distance in time and space, this law of unity overrides all obstacles. Similar to the law of entropy, which naturally restores all states of imbalance to pure balance, so too love restores all parts of a whole. The more force of separation is applied to separate a united whole, the greater the opposite effect to unite them grows. This is a natural law of the universe.
Love in its purest form transcends the physical sexual form. I think MJ understood this. Not that he wasn’t a man with sexual desires, I’m just sayin’ he has relationships with people – men, women, girls, boys – where a deep love… a non-sexual love… is shared. It’s sad that the media tries to pervert it. I think Brooke Shields hinted to this at one point where she said MJ, or their relationship, was asexual (or something like that-I can’t remember accurately). I’m sure she was talking of that pure type of love (and the media probably took it out of context). This is similar to what people do with Jonathan and David - trying to change a pure love into a homosexual relationship.
I believe this is what the Army of LOVE’s relationship needs to be to MJ and eachother… one based on a love that will connect us through space and time… with a love that is immortal. A love like God's love.
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Thanks TS and Happy Valentines Day to everyone, such wise and poignant thoughts being shared here. Commercial as Valentines Day is, it's good to know most of us appreciate the real meaning of L.O.V.E.
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I believe we are talking here about true love… pure spiritual love… not the physical form that many of us celebrate on Valentine’s day.
True love will not die but will grow stronger… it cannot be destroyed.
Love, in its pure spiritual form, is a force of attraction that brings together separate parts of a whole. Regardless of distance in time and space, this law of unity overrides all obstacles. Similar to the law of entropy, which naturally restores all states of imbalance to pure balance, so too love restores all parts of a whole. The more force of separation is applied to separate a united whole, the greater the opposite effect to unite them grows. This is a natural law of the universe.
Love in its purest form transcends the physical sexual form. I think MJ understood this. Not that he wasn’t a man with sexual desires, I’m just sayin’ he has relationships with people – men, women, girls, boys – where a deep love… a non-sexual love… is shared. It’s sad that the media tries to pervert it. I think Brooke Shields hinted to this at one point where she said MJ, or their relationship, was asexual (or something like that-I can’t remember accurately). I’m sure she was talking of that pure type of love (and the media probably took it out of context). This is similar to what people do with Jonathan and David - trying to change a pure love into a homosexual relationship.
I believe this is what the Army of LOVE’s relationship needs to be to MJ and eachother… one based on a love that will connect us through space and time… with a love that is immortal. A love like God's love.
well said :D
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Happy Valentine's Day to you, TS, your family and friends, and to all of you here.
I agree with lilwendy- this is not all about physical love-and really, at it's essense, before the day was highjacked for commercialism it was not all about that, either. At it's essense we need to look inside and find that love inside of ourselves- that love that flows and sustains us- like water.
Water also is highly symbolic and often represents life. It is also the "sacred female" element, represented by blue (which always reminds me of Katherin's suits). We are water to a high percentage- as we all should be about love.
So, while we enjoy the candies and gifts, lets really on love, follow Michael's example, and let the love flow through us and out of us toward those around us. Those acts of kindness, like smiling at your check-out person, or remembering your server's name, being kind and polite to those around us- really make all the difference.
All for L O V E! :) Happy V- Day!
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Love is the noblest sense, honest, powerful and most humble of course we have human beings, love is the antidote to end hatred, conflict, tyranny and war. The so-called political leaders, representatives of empires, self-centered, manipulative, in short all those who think only in power to do harm, should reflect, to feel love for the world to live in peace. Where there is love, there is God, love is the energy that makes the world go round.
And as Gandhi said, love is the most humble strength, but the most powerful, it is precisely in the humility that is the strength of love.
Happy day of love TS, Michael and all
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Love is the noblest sense, honest, powerful and most humble of course we have human beings, love is the antidote to end hatred, conflict, tyranny and war. The so-called political leaders, representatives of empires, self-centered, manipulative, in short all those who think only in power to do harm, should reflect, to feel love for the world to live in peace. Where there is love, there is God, love is the energy that makes the world go round.
And as Gandhi said, love is the most humble strength, but the most powerful, it is precisely in the humility that is the strength of love.
Happy day of love TS, Michael and all
I couldn´t say it better.! ♥ :D Wish you all a HAPPY VALENTINES DAY!!♥ :D
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These are wonderful thoughts expressed by everyone and it is spiritually nourishing to focus on God's pure agape love on the day when people share sentiments of affection for each other. Come hell or high water, this eternal flame of love can not be extinguished. Every one of us has a personal love letter with our name on it. We just have to recieve it.
John 3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
God IS Love and as MJ said Love lives forever, it is the only thing that is going to last.
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Can't resist posting this again... :D
It's all for L.O.V.E...
[youtube:1cuhovvy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFsQQgkDpA[/youtube:1cuhovvy]
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I believe we are talking here about true love… pure spiritual love… not the physical form that many of us celebrate on Valentine’s day.
True love will not die but will grow stronger… it cannot be destroyed.
Love, in its pure spiritual form, is a force of attraction that brings together separate parts of a whole. Regardless of distance in time and space, this law of unity overrides all obstacles. Similar to the law of entropy, which naturally restores all states of imbalance to pure balance, so too love restores all parts of a whole. The more force of separation is applied to separate a united whole, the greater the opposite effect to unite them grows. This is a natural law of the universe.
Love in its purest form transcends the physical sexual form. I think MJ understood this. Not that he wasn’t a man with sexual desires, I’m just sayin’ he has relationships with people – men, women, girls, boys – where a deep love… a non-sexual love… is shared. It’s sad that the media tries to pervert it. I think Brooke Shields hinted to this at one point where she said MJ, or their relationship, was asexual (or something like that-I can’t remember accurately). I’m sure she was talking of that pure type of love (and the media probably took it out of context). This is similar to what people do with Jonathan and David - trying to change a pure love into a homosexual relationship.
I believe this is what the Army of LOVE’s relationship needs to be to MJ and eachother… one based on a love that will connect us through space and time… with a love that is immortal. A love like God's love.
Beautifully said. Thank you so much for your inspiring words. Reminded me of what Michael said in Keep Your Head Up.....
All you need is LOVE
I tell you I know it's coming soon
And all you need is just a moment
I believe when we experience that kind of divine spiritual love - even for a moment - we can and will be transformed. It is what we search for all our lives, but often get confused by the many imitations there are out there that provide temporary satisfaction but nothing long lasting.
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[youtube:2bme2bp4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gq0sRCrcPg[/youtube:2bme2bp4]
Peace 8-)
Hello TS,
Happy "V" for Victorious!
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Happy Valentines Day everyone!! I LOVE you all! :D
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Michael sang "Water water" in TII.
A quick list of symbolic meanings for water include:
Transformation
Subconscious
Fertilization
Purification
Reflection
Intuition
Renewal
Blessing
Motion
Life
( http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolism-of-water.html (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolism-of-water.html) )
Love to you all from me and my cat (who I love even when he's being bad :lol: ) :D
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I believe we are talking here about true love… pure spiritual love… not the physical form that many of us celebrate on Valentine’s day.
True love will not die but will grow stronger… it cannot be destroyed.
Love, in its pure spiritual form, is a force of attraction that brings together separate parts of a whole. Regardless of distance in time and space, this law of unity overrides all obstacles. Similar to the law of entropy, which naturally restores all states of imbalance to pure balance, so too love restores all parts of a whole. The more force of separation is applied to separate a united whole, the greater the opposite effect to unite them grows. This is a natural law of the universe.
Love in its purest form transcends the physical sexual form. I think MJ understood this. Not that he wasn’t a man with sexual desires, I’m just sayin’ he has relationships with people – men, women, girls, boys – where a deep love… a non-sexual love… is shared. It’s sad that the media tries to pervert it. I think Brooke Shields hinted to this at one point where she said MJ, or their relationship, was asexual (or something like that-I can’t remember accurately). I’m sure she was talking of that pure type of love (and the media probably took it out of context). This is similar to what people do with Jonathan and David - trying to change a pure love into a homosexual relationship.
I believe this is what the Army of LOVE’s relationship needs to be to MJ and eachother… one based on a love that will connect us through space and time… with a love that is immortal. A love like God's love.
Well said lilwendy! Bless you! :) <3
Happy Valentine's Day TS and all of my wonderful family here on this site! "Love", is always the answer!
Have a Great Day friends!
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The problem with love these days is that people don't know the real reason behind it anymore. Love is not just the love you feel for your family and friends, or your husband/wife. Love should be much bigger than that. The pain you feel watching children starving in Africa, seals killed for their fur and rain forrests being destroyed, comes from love too. Love for mother earth and humanity. People are focussed too much on their own small world and forgot about the love that they also have for the world and other people. That love is still there, because it indeed can't be quenched, but it is pushed away because people have been distracted from it. They need to be woken up to find that love again or the damage we have done will be irreversible.
Great card TS, may your day be filled with love, and all your other days as well.
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Not throwing flowers and hugs around the whole day doesn't mean I am a cold hearted bitch without feelings. Don't know why you think that. I am managing a forum for 20 months and I am being hated all around the net, it takes hours of my time each day and I don't earn a dime with it. So what do you think my reason is Gina?
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The problem with love these days is that people don't know the real reason behind it anymore. Love is not just the love you feel for your family and friends, or your husband/wife. Love should be much bigger than that. The pain you feel watching children starving in Africa, seals killed for their fur and rain forrests being destroyed, comes from love too. Love for mother earth and humanity. People are focussed too much on their own small world and forgot about the love that they also have for the world and other people. That love is still there, because it indeed can't be quenched, but it is pushed away because people have been distracted from it. They need to be woken up to find that love again or the damage we have done will be irreversible.
Great card TS, may your day be filled with love, and all your other days as well.
This is so true and a very good post!
This is what I´ve been thinking for a long time, you´ve put it into words. Thanks!
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Thank you for this post TS. I think it is essential to share thoughts about the meaning of true love today.
I believe that true love is an intuition from the heart and mind. It is mind and heart binding and when you believe in this intuition and you let true love grow, your love can defeat all the obstacles or hard times together and sacrifices won't be a real sacrifice. When your love survived after hard times and love got even stronger you can consider it TRUE LOVE.
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Not throwing flowers and hugs around the whole day doesn't mean I am a cold hearted bitch without feelings. Don't know why you think that. I am managing a forum for 20 months and I am being hated all around the net, it takes hours of my time each day and I don't earn a dime with it. So what do you think my reason is Gina?
I love you Souza. I don't need flowers n hugs.
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Not throwing flowers and hugs around the whole day doesn't mean I am a cold hearted bitch without feelings. Don't know why you think that. I am managing a forum for 20 months and I am being hated all around the net, it takes hours of my time each day and I don't earn a dime with it. So what do you think my reason is Gina?
I love you Souza. I don't need flowers n hugs.
Love you too bec! Here is a virtual gift I know you DO appreciate!
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Sorry it's not a real one lol.
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OOO!
tease.
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The problem with love these days is that people don't know the real reason behind it anymore. Love is not just the love you feel for your family and friends, or your husband/wife. Love should be much bigger than that. The pain you feel watching children starving in Africa, seals killed for their fur and rain forrests being destroyed, comes from love too. Love for mother earth and humanity. People are focussed too much on their own small world and forgot about the love that they also have for the world and other people. That love is still there, because it indeed can't be quenched, but it is pushed away because people have been distracted from it. They need to be woken up to find that love again or the damage we have done will be irreversible.
Very true.
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Thank you TS
Happy V-Day to you and yours. Love You More :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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These are wonderful thoughts expressed by everyone and it is spiritually nourishing to focus on God's pure agape love on the day when people share sentiments of affection for each other. Come hell or high water, this eternal flame of love can not be extinguished. Every one of us has a personal love letter with our name on it. We just have to recieve it.
John 3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
God IS Love and as MJ said Love lives forever, it is the only thing that is going to last.
Very well said RK! Happy V-Day to everyone!
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Was this post necessary? Did it help show your love for others? At least something good can come out of something bad! Look at how you have inspired people to show their love to Souza!
Your doing a fabulous job Souza at taking all the criticism and marching on! I appreciate that you didn't stoop to MO's level and even bother rebutting her good-bye post!! Keep up the good work, love will conquer all!!
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Not throwing flowers and hugs around the whole day doesn't mean I am a cold hearted bitch without feelings. Don't know why you think that. I am managing a forum for 20 months and I am being hated all around the net, it takes hours of my time each day and I don't earn a dime with it. So what do you think my reason is Gina?
I am sorry you think you are being hated all around the net.
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Was this post necessary? Did it help show your love for others? At least something good can come out of something bad! Look at how you have inspired people to show their love to Souza!
Your doing a fabulous job Souza at taking all the criticism and marching on! I appreciate that you didn't stoop to MO's level and even bother rebutting her good-bye post!! Keep up the good work, love will conquer all!!
Did I miss something...is Mo gone?
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Was this post necessary? Did it help show your love for others? At least something good can come out of something bad! Look at how you have inspired people to show their love to Souza!
Your doing a fabulous job Souza at taking all the criticism and marching on! I appreciate that you didn't stoop to MO's level and even bother rebutting her good-bye post!! Keep up the good work, love will conquer all!!
Well, it wasn't meant to show my love for others......it was just an appreciation post as I saw Souza chose to talk about Love this time. As she said , she doesn't usualy waste words on this subject and it was good reading it.
Have a nice day everyone :D
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Was this post necessary? Did it help show your love for others? At least something good can come out of something bad! Look at how you have inspired people to show their love to Souza!
Your doing a fabulous job Souza at taking all the criticism and marching on! I appreciate that you didn't stoop to MO's level and even bother rebutting her good-bye post!! Keep up the good work, love will conquer all!!
Did I miss something...is Mo gone?
Well here is the last part of a very long post, by MO:
Dear people, I'm extremely happy to have my life back on track, and I will never ever allow anyone or anything to cause a mess like this hoax and the key players involved in it caused to the lives of me and my children.
Whatever you want to do with this message is fine with me, that's your own decision. Please don't expect any posts, tweets or whatsoever about MJ related things from me anymore, because there won't be any. I'm done.
Wishing you all the best and a lot of wisdom,
Monique
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Running this huge forum is a task requiring enormous strength and nerves of steel. A good leader knows how to balance affection, humor, standing firm on difficult decisions, and discipline with time involved. My hat is off to you Souza (even though I don't wear hats). I believe you have a good balance of the right traits needed. Since the beginning I've seen how you've handled the problems that came our way. I so appreciate you. Know that you are much loved here on the forum.
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Running this huge forum is a task requiring enormous strength and nerves of steel. A good leader knows how to balance affection, humor, standing firm on difficult decisions, and discipline with time involved. My hat is off to you Souza (even though I don't wear hats). I believe you have a good balance of the right traits needed. Since the beginning I've seen how you've handled the problems that came our way. I so appreciate you. Know that you are much loved here on the forum.
AMEN !! Nothing more to say , Souza you are the best!!
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I believe we are talking here about true love… pure spiritual love… not the physical form that many of us celebrate on Valentine’s day.
True love will not die but will grow stronger… it cannot be destroyed.
Love, in its pure spiritual form, is a force of attraction that brings together separate parts of a whole. Regardless of distance in time and space, this law of unity overrides all obstacles. Similar to the law of entropy, which naturally restores all states of imbalance to pure balance, so too love restores all parts of a whole. The more force of separation is applied to separate a united whole, the greater the opposite effect to unite them grows. This is a natural law of the universe.
Love in its purest form transcends the physical sexual form. I think MJ understood this. Not that he wasn’t a man with sexual desires, I’m just sayin’ he has relationships with people – men, women, girls, boys – where a deep love… a non-sexual love… is shared. It’s sad that the media tries to pervert it. I think Brooke Shields hinted to this at one point where she said MJ, or their relationship, was asexual (or something like that-I can’t remember accurately). I’m sure she was talking of that pure type of love (and the media probably took it out of context). This is similar to what people do with Jonathan and David - trying to change a pure love into a homosexual relationship.
I believe this is what the Army of LOVE’s relationship needs to be to MJ and eachother… one based on a love that will connect us through space and time… with a love that is immortal. A love like God's love.
This is such a beautiful post and RK had such wonderful words as well. It does my heart good to see the understanding of what Love really is and does.
1 Corinthians 13: 4-7
Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things.
Jesus told us to Love one another as he Loved us. And that included those who are difficult to Love, even our enemies. He said if we only Love those who Love us, where it the reward. It is easy to Love when the feathers are being stroked, but when they are ruffled that is the true test of LOVE.
Jesus said Father forgive them for they know not what they do. He said to forgive those who hurt us and despitefully used us. THIS is the most difficult thing, and it takes diligent prayer to be able to do this. Michael did forgive his enemies and I am sure he prayed for them and loved them from a distance.
There are many times that I feel such hurt and pain, and cry so often over Michael being away, but here in this place I do feel Love and comfort. God Bless you all ..I LOVE You dearly.
And TS ,Thank you for shining the Light of LOVE here, you are such an inspiration. Thank you Souza for keeping this place open to us. It is a source of strength.
And Michael I LOVE YOU beyond words or imagination….Victoria
http://drbenkim.com/blog/2006/07/how-to ... -hurt.html (http://drbenkim.com/blog/2006/07/how-to-forgive-someone-who-has-hurt.html)
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Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it,.... The love of the church to Christ, which is inextinguishable and insuperable, by the many waters and floods of wicked and ungodly men; neither by their flattery and fair promises; nor by their cruel edicts, force and persecution; by neither can they withdraw the love of the saints from Christ, nor tempt them to desert his interest: nor by all the afflictions God is pleased to bring upon them; rather their love is increased thereby, which they consider as effects of the love, wisdom, and faithfulness of God, as designed for their good: nor even by their sins and corruptions; for though, through the aboundings of these, their love may wax cold, yet it never becomes extinct; it may be left, but not lost; its fervency may be abated, but that itself remains: nor by Satan's temptations, who sometimes comes in like a flood, threatening to carry all before him; but the Spirit lifts up a standard against him, and maintains his own work of faith and love, Isaiah 59:19; nor by the terrors of the law, and the apprehensions of divine wrath, they are sometimes pressed with, signified by waves and floods, Psalm 88:6; nor by all the hardships and difficulties, scoffs and reproaches, which attend believers in their Christian race; which are so far from alienating their affections from Christ, that they rather endear him the more unto them, and make heaven, and the enjoyment of him there, the more desirable;
if a man would give, all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned; it is true of the love of Christ to his people, as also what is said before; but is rather to be understood of the love of the church to Christ; which is a grace so valuable, as not to be purchased with money: if this, or any other grace, is to be bought, it is to be bought without money and without price; it is to be had freely of Christ; and, where possessed, will not be parted with for anything that may be offered; if a rich man's whole estate was offered for it, to a lover of Christ; yea, the riches of the Indies, or the vast treasures of the whole globe, on condition of his parting with him, and deserting his cause and interest, and dropping or neglecting his love to him, it would be treated by him with the, almost disdain and contempt; see Philippians 3:8. Now all this is used by the church as an argument to gain her request, "set me as a seal", &c. Sol 8:6; since my soul is all in flames of love to thee, which cannot be quenched by all I suffer on thy account; nor will be parted with for all that the world can give me. This love of the church reaches to Christ, and to all that belong to him, even to a little sister, as in Sol 8:8.
Thank you TS!! :)
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Great message, TS. Well said posts from lilwendy, RK, Souza, and navibli. My pastor talked about this very subject Sunday, about the Word of God being our personal love letter, we just have to choose to receive it. Souza, you may not talk about love often, but I can read between the lines. Your heart is full of His love and you send a message loud and clear to all of us. You care and it shows through your actions and faithfulness to this forum. May God bless you, TS, and everyone who is traveling on this fantastic journey. L.O.V.E.
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Souza i must say it is a pleasant surprise to hear you talking about love...... I never thought this was possible .....
Good night everyone :D
Was this post necessary? Did it help show your love for others? At least something good can come out of something bad! Look at how you have inspired people to show their love to Souza!
Your doing a fabulous job Souza at taking all the criticism and marching on! I appreciate that you didn't stoop to MO's level and even bother rebutting her good-bye post!! Keep up the good work, love will conquer all!!
Did I miss something...is Mo gone?
Well here is the last part of a very long post, by MO:
Dear people, I'm extremely happy to have my life back on track, and I will never ever allow anyone or anything to cause a mess like this hoax and the key players involved in it caused to the lives of me and my children.
Whatever you want to do with this message is fine with me, that's your own decision. Please don't expect any posts, tweets or whatsoever about MJ related things from me anymore, because there won't be any. I'm done.
Wishing you all the best and a lot of wisdom,
Monique
Thanks
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Upon further pondering on the water theme this popped into my mind:
water is necessary for all of life...without it all living things die.
And, ironically, fire (for the most part) can be extinguished with a huge dose of water. Kinda reminds me of MJ's "Let it burn" drama on stage in TII! Perhaps, he is signaling to us that soon, and very soon, the flames will be doused with plenty of water?!?!?!? In that case, let it rain!!!!
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Puddle from which the flower grew after stepped on at the end of Hold My Hand video.
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Puddle from which the flower grew after stepped on at the end of Hold My Hand video.
it remind me of the palm island dubai i've watch some video in youtube about it. And it says famous artist already purchased home on palm island like michael jackson and david beckham.you can look for it in youtube im sure they mentioned it. when i saw the last part of the video with the guy stepping on the puddle and the palm tree reflecting in it. palm island suddenly came to my mind.sorry for my bad english
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i found it heres the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUSTlj0Btow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUSTlj0Btow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX4hcdXl ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX4hcdXlRyk&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiBxoROE ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiBxoROEEcM&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3IHnM5K ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3IHnM5K80s&feature=related)
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OK...
Since we're still on this Song of Solomon redirect I decided to dig a little deeper; after all TS & Michael are known to be cryptic and multi-layered so here's what I found via Wikipedia:
Many Waters is a 1986 novel by Madeleine L'Engle, part of the author's Time Quartet (also known as the Time Quintet). The title is taken from the Song of Solomon 8:7: "Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it. If a man were to give all his wealth for love, it would be utterly scorned."
The principal characters of the story are Sandy and Dennys Murry, twin brothers who are, ironically, somewhat out of place (they are "normal") in the context of the multifarious and eccentric Murry family from A Wrinkle in Time. The action of the story follows that of A Wind in the Door but precedes the climactic, apocalyptic events of A Swiftly Tilting Planet.
Plot summary
In the middle of a New England winter, the boys accidentally disturb an experiment in their parents' lab. A sonic boom - a blast of heat - and the boys find they have been transported to a vast, trackless desert which is shaken by periodic earthquakes. Providentially, they encounter a water prospector named Japheth who offers to help them find refuge at the nearest oasis. Sandy and Dennys are intrigued by the creatures which accompany them on their trip through this (as they initially assume) alien world, which include a two-foot-tall mammoth; a pair of unicorns which appear simultaneously to be, and not to be; and humans much shorter than the brothers are.
After a long ride through the desert during which they develop a severe case of heat stroke, the boys are separated when the unicorn Dennys is riding disappears. Sandy remains with Japheth and his elderly grandfather Lamech and is tended to by a variety of improbable beings, including a pelican. Dennys reappears in another tent, only to be bodily thrown into a refuse heap. Now seriously ill, he comes under the care of a friendly family with a large tent in the center of the oasis, headed by a gruff but kindly patriarch. As he recovers from his "sun-sickness", Dennys learns that his benefactor is in fact Japheth's father and Lamech's son - and his name is Noah. It soon becomes apparent that the boys have been transported back to Biblical times, just before the Great Flood. The pelican, scarab beetle and lion turn out to be the animal hosts of seraphim, who are surprisingly knowledgeable about quantum physics and twentieth century Earth. The nephilim, who also transform into animals, distrust the twins. They use their human wives to try to discover why Sandy and Dennys have come to the oasis, and whether they represent a threat.
Separated for much of the book, the twins become more independent of each other, and learn that neither they nor reality itself is as ordinary as they previously supposed. Both gain maturity over the course of about a year in the desert with Noah and his family. They each fall in love with Noah's daughter Yalith, but do not act on their desires. Dennys convinces Noah to reconcile with Lamech, and both twins eventually care for the old man's gardens as they wait to discover a way home. After Lamech's death, Sandy is kidnapped. He refuses to use violence to escape, and is eventually found by Japheth. Both twins worry that Yalith is not to be on the Ark, and neither are they. Nevertheless, they help to build the Ark before returning home via unicorn.
Major themes
The story largely concerns the teenaged twins' emotional coming of age, but, like the other three novels about the Murry family, includes elements of fantasy and Christian theology such as two races of angels: the heavenly seraphim, and the fallen, beautiful mortal-marrying nephilim, the main antagonists of the story (see Genesis 6:1-4. Author Donald R. Hettinga notes that the world of Noah's oasis is especially difficult for "the empirically minded twins" to accept because in L'Engle's theology of "a gradual Fall", it is still populated by manticores and unicorns, "everyone can still see angels," and some people "can still converse intimately with God." Similarities to the fantasy-science fiction works of C. S. Lewis, always present in L'Engle's oeuvre, are particularly notable here. The twins' difficulty in believing in things that exist outside their empiricist world is a trait they must overcome in the story, because it is only by believing in a "virtual unicorn" that they can obtain transportation back to their everyday world.
Biblical and other sources of immortal character names
Although previous books in the series touched on themes of Christian theology, Many Waters makes direct references to Biblical and Qabalistic mysticism, particularly in its supernatural characters. While A Wind in the Door featured a "singular cherubim" with the fabricated name of Proginoskes, many of the seraphim and nephilim are named after obscure mystical entities:
Seraphim
* Adnarel, originally one of the leaders who follow the four leaders who divide the four parts of the year in the Book of Enoch 82:14.
* Aariel, variant of Ariel, "lion of God". The name occurs with some frequency in the Old Testament and in rabbinical literature. (Note that Aariel frequently appears in the novel in the form of a lion.)
* Abasdarhon, originally the angel who rules over the fifth hour of the night. The name also appears in the Steganographia of Johannes Trithemius.
* Abdiel, a seraph in the Sepher Raziel and a character in Milton's Paradise Lost.
* Akatriel, one of the Angels of Presence.
* Achsah, wife of Othniel in the Old Testament. Curiously, this seraph is named after a mortal character.
* Admael, one of the seven angels set over the earth.
* Adabiel is mentioned in the alt.magick Kaballah FAQ as a member of the seven archangels according to The Hierarchy of the Blessed Angels, but it does not give an author for this volume and it has not been confirmed whether this is the same work as the nine-volume play by Thomas Heywood.
* Adnachiel is associated by many astrology websites with the zodiac sign Sagittarius[citation needed].
Nephilim
* Ugiel, second of the unholy sefirot according to Moses de Burgos.
* Rofocale, after Lucifuge Rofocale, governor of Hell in The Sworn Book of Honorius.
* Eisheth, an angel of prostitution and the consort of the demon Samael.
* Eblis, variant of Iblis, the primary devil in Islam.
* Estael is named as an intelligence of Jupiter in The Secret Grimoire of Turiel[3], purportedly a sixteenth-century grimoire.
* Negarsanel, variant of Nasargiel, an angel of Hell according to The Legends of the Jews by Rabbi Louis Ginzberg.
* Rugziel, a fallen angel.
* Rumael, twentieth of the twenty-one named fallen angels in 1 Enoch 69.
* Rumjal, sixth named of the fallen angels in 1 Enoch 69.
* Ertrael, another fallen angel named in 1 Enoch.
* Naamah, another consort of Samael.
Interesting... ;) [/b]
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Solomon 8:7................could this translate to August 7th??????
Waiting in anticipation of your next post, TS!
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Beautiful verse TS and very deep :D I have tried to grasp a little of its meaning :lol: I think it's too deep but well I would say that L.O.V.E. in these dark times is mishandled. Like a sacred ark on a tormented sea it is floating on the surface, water is what sustains it continuously... at the same time enormous waves try to drown it... repeatedly... but they can never succeed because this ark is the essence of everything that is. God bless you.
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Found this today. :)
[youtube:3lfu4xrb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roiP15WucPA[/youtube:3lfu4xrb]
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Is this about the flood TS?
Water is the provider of all life and it is the most powerful element on earth. Water extinguishes fire. Water can erode even solid stone over time.
Water is necessary for all life on earth. Not enough and life ceases to exist.
But the flood was a great over abundance of water and it nearly destroyed all life on earth. Except for the ark, and a few survivors who headed the warnings and rode out the flood.
"For 40 days and for 40 nights the law was on her side... but who can stand when she's in demand with her schemes n' plans" -- dropped from TII Billy Jean
40 days and 40 nights of rain caused the great flood. Noah headed the warnings from God and built an ark on dry land despite the jeers and mocking from his peers, the heathens (lol), and when the flood came, he and his family and loved ones were safely on board. The flood wiped out all life on earth except for Noah and his crew, who rode out the flood, and repopulated the earth afterward.
40 days and 40 nights Moses and his people wandered the desert after walking out of Egypt. To escape, Moses parted the Red Sea allowing his people to walk to safety, and the sea swallowed the Pharaoh's army and drowned them. After walking to safety across the sea, the people turned away from God and worshiped a false idol, the golden cow, and were banished to the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, were given the 10 commandments from the burning bush, ate manna from heaven to survive, and were finally admonished into Israel, the holy land (? shaky on that last bit).
So who's on the ark and who's wandering the desert? Or am I just over hoaxed again?
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@bec.......great post! I had been thinking along those lines as well, but did not know what to do with it....again, great post!
@MsTrinity333...also great post...great way to dig around...well done for sure!
I have also been thinking how perfectly this Song of Solomon 8:7 fits the hoax community in general. Perhaps, even a bit more with our forum as of late.
It says, "Many waters cannot quench love" I take that to mean........there will always be a thirst for love in this world, in the hearts of people. This forum seems very thirsty for love right now.
"...neither can the floods drown it." No matter what you do, what happens, love will not drown, love will not die, love will not go away.....it just won't. Even with all the negativity on forum, love is still here....it just has to be found again, shown again and shared again. A flood of negativity will not take away love.
When I truly read this verse, it's almost like a foreshadow of what happened here:
Many hoaxers cannot quench love,
neither can the hoaxers drown it.
I believe that not only the truth will prevail, but love will prevail over it all.
I think this has been one of my personal favorites from the Bible. Here is a link to the full Song of Solomon 8 from Biblegateway.com :
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%208&version=NIV)
I wish you all much love and many blessings!
Wishingstar
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@bec.......great post! I had been thinking along those lines as well, but did not know what to do with it....again, great post!
@MsTrinity333...also great post...great way to dig around...well done for sure!
I have also been thinking how perfectly this Song of Solomon 8:7 fits the hoax community in general. Perhaps, even a bit more with our forum as of late.
It says, "Many waters cannot quench love" I take that to mean........there will always be a thirst for love in this world, in the hearts of people. This forum seems very thirsty for love right now.
"...neither can the floods drown it." No matter what you do, what happens, love will not drown, love will not die, love will not go away.....it just won't. Even with all the negativity on forum, love is still here....it just has to be found again, shown again and shared again. A flood of negativity will not take away love.
When I truly read this verse, it's almost like a foreshadow of what happened here:
Many hoaxers cannot quench love,
neither can the hoaxers drown it.
I believe that not only the truth will prevail, but love will prevail over it all.
I think this has been one of my personal favorites from the Bible. Here is a link to the full Song of Solomon 8 from Biblegateway.com :
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%208&version=NIV)
I wish you all much love and many blessings!
Wishingstar
:lol: :lol: :lol: 8-) Guess we're all in the same boat (pardon the pun). ;)
I love sailing. Funny how the Ark subject keeps coming up. Praise the Lord and pass the life jackets!
@ Angel... I LOVE Michael Sweet! I remember when Stryper was at the Rainbow in Denver...long long ago. ;)
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It reminds me of the floods in Australia...even though many lost their homes or lost everything they still helped each other...they would of been worried about their houses but at the end of the day nothing could stop them from helping each other.
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I am still pondering this redirect.......
I feel there is more to this one for some reason.
Are we supposed to send that card out to people we know? Is this redirect an interactive one? Have we been totally missing TS's point of spreading the message?
Certainly, sending this card to friends would lift them up and spread love. The page is set to fill in the blanks, preview and send. I am going to send it out with a little note of, "Just thinking of you....."
Love and Blessings Always!
Wishingstar
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I am still pondering this redirect.......
I feel there is more to this one for some reason.
Are we supposed to send that card out to people we know? Is this redirect an interactive one? Have we been totally missing TS's point of spreading the message?
Certainly, sending this card to friends would lift them up and spread love. The page is set to fill in the blanks, preview and send. I am going to send it out with a little note of, "Just thinking of you....."
Love and Blessings Always!
Wishingstar
There must be more to it...TS is still on this redirect...maybe thats not the reason but I feel we are missing something like you said
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Edit: I was looking on the internet for the whole bible verse, it says; "Many waters themselves are not able to extinguish love, nor can rivers themselves wash it away. If a man would give all the valuable things of his house for love, persons would positively despise them.” This was said in the context of marriage or something I think but it might mean what everyone has said already.
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I thought TS might post a redirect today as it's 22/02/2011. I'm missing you this past week TS [sigh]
It's already tomorrow down under.
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I thought TS might post a redirect today as it's 22/02/2011. I'm missing you this past week TS [sigh]
Chin up RK.....we'll get you through! It might be a good time to read up on old posts, videos, etc. It always seems to help me gain perspective and usually leads to some questions. I watched TII again this past weekend...it was great!
Hope you are feeling better....sending hugs!
Blessings Always!
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I thought TS might post a redirect today as it's 22/02/2011. I'm missing you this past week TS [sigh]
It's already tomorrow down under.
I was expecting a redirect from TS on Blanket's birthday. I wonder if he's having problems accessing the forum. I know he is great with pc technology but I don't know really. He celebrated Prince's birthday, why did he miss Blanket's? Maybe he's just too busy. I missed you TS. :(
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I thought TS might post a redirect today as it's 22/02/2011. I'm missing you this past week TS [sigh]
It's already tomorrow down under.
I was expecting a redirect from TS on Blanket's birthday. I wonder if he's having problems accessing the forum. I know he is great with pc technology but I don't know really. He celebrated Prince's birthday, why did he miss Blanket's? Maybe he's just too busy. I missed you TS. :(
Blanket's birthday was never publicly released, but it was speculated to be February 21st or 22nd. Maybe Michael still wants to keep Blanket's birthday a secret, so maybe he's not going to confirm it by doing a redirect.
I wonder why he's left it here for so long though :( Maybe we aren't fully grasping the meaning? I think it might have something to do with Mo no longer being here, and SD no longer being here. I'm not saying it's anyones fault, but in this hoax we're supposed to be a family, like Michael said in TII. I understand we'll have our disagreements, but we're breaking apart, and most healthy families don't break apart, they stay together. :?
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Michael sang "Water water" in TII.
A quick list of symbolic meanings for water include:
Transformation
Subconscious
Fertilization
Purification
Reflection
Intuition
Renewal
Blessing
Motion
Life
( http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolism-of-water.html (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolism-of-water.html) )
Love to you all from me and my cat (who I love even when he's being bad :lol: ) :D
Hello Andrea!!!
Yes Michael said WATER,WATER in THIS IS IT!!!! 8-)
This Is It - Billie Jean Cut #3 - "Water.... water" - HD 1080p - Buy The Blu-Ray Version Right NOW!
[youtube:22js3u5f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYZq7rVzOA[/youtube:22js3u5f]
This redirect it's very important for me because I know Michael has something special regarding WATER.Remember WATER BALLON FIGHTS,remember the water scene from The way you make me fell clip,remember the rain scene from Stranger in Moscow,witch I found very similar to V from Vendetta movie when Eve comes out from "prison", remember that interview he made in 1984 when he was near a fountain talking about creating magic :? ,etc
And for things to be more intriguing does anyone here remember that in 2009 or 2010 :idea: ,was a news about WATER COMING OUT FROM MICHAEL'S LAST MANSION????? I know that I saw a video on youtube with water coming out from windows and more but now I can't find that video :? .
Can someone please help me with that information??? :D
LOVE YOU MORE!!!!
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I thought TS might post a redirect today as it's 22/02/2011. I'm missing you this past week TS [sigh]
It's already tomorrow down under.
I was expecting a redirect from TS on Blanket's birthday. I wonder if he's having problems accessing the forum. I know he is great with pc technology but I don't know really. He celebrated Prince's birthday, why did he miss Blanket's? Maybe he's just too busy. I missed you TS. :(
Blanket's birthday was never publicly released, but it was speculated to be February 21st or 22nd. Maybe Michael still wants to keep Blanket's birthday a secret, so maybe he's not going to confirm it by doing a redirect.
I wonder why he's left it here for so long though :( Maybe we aren't fully grasping the meaning? I think it might have something to do with Mo no longer being here, and SD no longer being here. I'm not saying it's anyones fault, but in this hoax we're supposed to be a family, like Michael said in TII. I understand we'll have our disagreements, but we're breaking apart, and most healthy families don't break apart, they stay together. :?
TIAI redirect on February 10:
"It is better to be divided by Truth, than to be united in error. It is better to speak the Truth that hurts and then heals, than to speak a lie that will comfort and then kill. It is better to be hated for telling the Truth, than to be loved for telling a lie. It is better to stand alone with the Truth, than to be wrong with a multitude. Better to ultimately die with the Truth, than to live with a lie."
-- A. Rogers
Mo was not the first leaving by because of TS and SD is not the first to leave because I talked to the media. So I don't think that is of any influence to TS and the redirects or the hoax for that matter. TS already said he wouldn't redirect daily anymore. Maybe it's his way to say that we all should take a break. It's a quiet time, we had many quiet periods. To me that means we are up for a roller coaster ride again. I enjoy the calm for now because I am sure that when the trial starts, we don't even have time to eat or sleep.
I am going to think about water though, maybe missed something there.
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About the water, this i read in any part:
In all the primitive tribes, water symbolizes life. Life is based on the water: eighty-five percent of the human body is water. Life, both of man and of animals, trees and birds, depends on the water. The water was one of the basic elements that had to give worship. The same as the Sun, primitive peoples worshipped water; both were revered as gods. And it has at the same time a metaphorical meaning.
Water represents several things. The first is that it has no form but can take either; It has the ability to adapt to all forms. If you pour it in a jar, it takes the form of the jar, and if you pour a glass, takes the form of the glass. It is infinitely adaptable. Therein lies its virtue: knows no rigidity. The man must be like water and not so stiff and cold as ice.
Water always flows towards the sea. Wherever, always leads to the sea: towards infinity. The man must be like water and moving always toward God. Water remains pure while on the move: If flows; and if it is stopped, it becomes impure: stagnant. So both the man and his conscience must keep moving, always flowing and not stay unemployed anywhere.
If the flow is maintained and one is willing to move from one moment to the next without handrails and the burden of the past, it retains the innocence and purity.
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I thought TS might post a redirect today as it's 22/02/2011. I'm missing you this past week TS [sigh]
It's already tomorrow down under.
I was expecting a redirect from TS on Blanket's birthday. I wonder if he's having problems accessing the forum. I know he is great with pc technology but I don't know really. He celebrated Prince's birthday, why did he miss Blanket's? Maybe he's just too busy. I missed you TS. :(
Blanket's birthday was never publicly released, but it was speculated to be February 21st or 22nd. Maybe Michael still wants to keep Blanket's birthday a secret, so maybe he's not going to confirm it by doing a redirect.
Ohh yeah I've never thought about that. Thank you for reminding that MJFAN7. :)
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TS already said he wouldn't redirect daily anymore. Maybe it's his way to say that we all should take a break. It's a quiet time, we had many quiet periods. To me that means we are up for a roller coaster ride again. I enjoy the calm for now because I am sure that when the trial starts, we don't even have time to eat or sleep.
I am going to think about water though, maybe missed something there.
Agree Souza. I think the redirects will begin with the trial. And we're going to be busy like you said. But I do miss to feel TS' presence on the forum, and his amazing posts, redirects.
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http://www.crosscards.com/cards/love-1/many-waters-cannot-quench-love/send.html
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post.jpg)
"Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can the floods drown it."
Song of Solomon 8:7
I have a question for TS, if TS would be so kind as to explain, I know that others have wondered this as well. Many of us would love to have the time to delve very deeply into whatever message(s) is to be found in these redirects, but alas, don't have that luxury. As I believe MJ's message IS actually a matter of Life and death, I feel it would be a GIFT to be given some definite direction, when ever there is a redirect given.
I have heard it too often, a person angrily telling me to stop trying to tell them what to do, when I honestly do not see how I am appearing dictatorial, so I know TS is aware of this aspect of personalities and is, perhaps, very carefully walking the line there. I get it. But, as in the game of "Pin the tail on the donkey", even after the blindfolded person is spun around, they are STILL PLACED facing the general direction of their target, the correct wall on which the picture of the donkey is...NO one should object to some friendly assistance, eh?
I mean, when I thought TS was Tim Simkin, or S.T.U.D.Y., THIS gentleman seemed to stress very deep, thorough self study, in addition to the basic thought and text he printed out---referring to his website, as well. He was very, "think for yourself, dig deeper, look up all links, learn it for yourself, so it is really a part of you". I feel that TS now, quotes specific parts and incomplete verses of scripture, etc. for us to focus only on those and not digging in other directions, such as what comes in the next sentence which he did not quote. I just don't know. I took the time to do it both ways.
This is my question: could you tell us, at least, if/ when we are meant to go beyond the words you direct us to, or consider only the meaning of those words?
I'll give you an example of where I have been with this one. Don't roll your eyes, I am deadly serious as to how much time can be wasted down a wrong road. Wrong roads are also where supposition and rumor take on wings.
I could take these words as, "Many waters" (what does this mean?) "cannot quench" (ok, stop, put off, put OUT the flaming purpose of,) "Love" (the emotion, the feeling, the sentiment? the Person?? God's other name is "Love"!) "Neither can the floods" (meaning what, whom?) "drown (suffocate, bury) it." Then, of course, what is TS showing us in MJ's message, HERE? (More in a minute, @ :arrow: .)
THEN, if I go on and begin to study the remainder of the passage, I can quickly get into something related and logical, but not really all that pertinent to my personal life, or to Life and Death, as I believe this Hoax was created for. Here is my rabbit trail once I go beyond the text quoted in part:
The rest of the passage reads: "If a man would give all the wealth of his house for love, he would be utterly scorned." Remember when MJ told Rabbi Boteach that his ideal woman would be a composite of Lady Diana and Mother Theresa? The rabbi made it plain that the concept bowled him over. But...eh, not...so...fast...
Lady Di was the epitome of grace and propriety, not to mention public sweetness. Mother T was unconditional, unquenchable Love on wheels, also very sweet. Just from watching MJ's life, I gather that he really meant what he said to Boteach. Someone highly unselfish, disinterested in the Hollywood scene and material wealth would be a dream come true, if he could find her. And there is nothing more desirable than someone who puts God first in their life (IMHO).
Since this Hoax is all about MJ and his message, and we all wonder WHY he had to disappear, & fake his death. Just to break some scary news to us? We naturally begin to wonder WHAT could the news BE?? And I am in no way, trying to be silly; of course MJ has an important global-in-scope message, but what I am about to mention is also VERY important to some of "his girls" (as HE teasingly called them :o ), who believe they are in love with the guy to this day... :?
In light of the scripture not quoted by TS--which we find upon our own further research, what if MJ HAS found someone captivatingly kind, and sweet, with the saintly atributes of Lady Di and Mother T? What if she scorns Hollywood, tabloids, fame, and fortune--to the point that he needs to disdain (and shun) it all himself just to please and be with her...
Jumping to conclusion, we did all see him attempt to dump lots and lots of auction items---things that should have been his children's inheritance :cry: ...I saw, myself, on Ebay, for Heaven's sake! a painting or tapestry of one of MJ's most whimsical and precious commissions, The Book, which would hang in my front hall forever 8-) , if I had had the cash :x .
Excessive, yes, when whole countries are starving...but, I am certain that is the very reason MJ was selling it in the first place. :D He had some charity in mind---NOT getting himself out of debt! :roll: And someone with too much money, themselves, should have obliged him...(and donated the painting to me! :lol: :oops: sorry).
Anyway, jumping to more conclusions, what if he said to some caring, yet unimpressed woman, "We belong together, marry me.", and she said, "I can't live like this, in the overindulgence of America. Renounce the strongholds your wealth, your fame, your throne have on you, and come serve God with me in the Third World." He appeared for a time to be doing this, you know, 'All for Love...'. And we thought he was in debt or just tired of entertaining or the whole business as his idea alone :( .
It is the prediction come to life, of the latter part of the Song of Solomon, chapter 8, verse 7: The world would utterly scorn him. They would think he'd lost his mind, joined a cult, flipped out, to make billions of dollars in a lifetime and walk away from it?? :shock:
Fans would feel deserted, abandoned, entitled to some input prior to such a decision(!!).
If she were very beautiful, it would be said that she was that biblical strange woman who had ensnared him, unrighteously. It is because of this hyper-negative reaction, that people would think he'd hidden her from us, working on how to break it to us gently, that it is right, it is the will of God, for The King of Pop to be retired now, and explain his and our connection to the larger, more serious, global Plan. ("when the dust settles" )
I remember when Cat Stevens renounced his career to become a priest or something. People gasped, but not on a Michael Jackson scale. :? Stevens didn't have the number of women on a string, either, which MJ has to date.
Deep dust.
Whew! This could be true. But is it? I can't "discover" this, without the last part of the verse, but only from extra curricularstudy of the redirect and extra thought about it. Or is it TOTALLY off the track? Are we to stay off what you did not quote, TS?
Another way to look at it, is to read everything on the page we were directed to, including links. Did you mean this? I did it. I found many nourishing links to feed my soul on Biblical things, Bible tools, music, etc. I even found a charity of mine listed as a sponsor of the site, and the name of the entire web network is "Salem", which means, "peace". Certainly seems like a right trail.
And, I found mentioned there, something which is a matter of Life and death, which could be one point of The Hoax.
It certainly is for nothing else, BUT All for Love.
I NEVER thought I would hear about Michael Jackson and THIS message together ---he is just not a soapbox barker!(and it is NOT in so many words, here, either. One must read between the lines and figure out if THIS is the place TS meant to direct us...).
Yet...it IS his heart, I feel. It IS, from as far back as when he was pioneering (one on one, mostly) as a young man. He hasn't left his first love, after all, 8-) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
despite the pull of Hollywood and all its brainwashing and ultimatums, peer pressure and the torture and persecution FOR the Word's sake...
MJ wasn't persecuted for who he was; it was ALL THIS TIME, for The Message he bears in his heart, from Love. He was persecuted to botch up his massive Worldwide power of influence!
I will leave this for people to find themselves on the pages and links. Many would try to fight with me about it, if I sent you right to it. You have the redirect. I won't give or take offense over this. I am too certainly happy and joyful about it! :D .
:arrow: In the other direction, using only the text quoted, I came to quite another conclusion. I was taught to use the Bible to interpret the Bible. This is remarkable---but then, everything about God is remarkable( :!: ): Some months ago someone (MJsBabyDoll) sent me a picture of a dragon being pierced in the guts with a sword held by a kind of European :o Christ.
You have to see this.
Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little, the purpose of this Hoax, I believe, is unfolding! 8-)
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=14639#p265383 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=14639#p265383)
It led me to look up "dragon" in Scripture. What I found there also mentioned "many waters" too, so this came back to the front of my mind with the SoS 8:7 redirect.
Check this out! :o 8-) This dragon, this serpent, is colored red in the Word, but, no matter; men have been inspired to paint what they heard read to them in churches for hundreds of years before the Bible was a household book, for instant reference. Green or red, Anglo or other, I recognized the man as Jesus and I know who the beast is: the Bible says he is "the one who deceives the whole world".
MJsBabyDoll and I agreed that the little faces in the bubbles at the bottom of the picture, must be trapped souls...Imagine my AMAZEMENT, when the album MICHAEL 's cover was unveiled and these same bubbles are built into his design :o :!:
I haven't been able to magnify it enough to really scrutinize it, but I will. As yet, I don't know if the bubbles are unconsciously used in the album art, or by design. (Btw, as long as I am reaching, shamelessly, :? perhaps MJ's naming of his chimp, "Bubbles", directly but subconsciously, relates, perhaps from his childhood, to his admiration of the concept of this painting, SETTING THE CAPTIVES FREE.) I believe the name of the painting is "Victory" Another "V" for our collection!
My Gosh :shock: :!: , it all goes together so well, I am stunned. You can't make this up! :lol: :)
It would be the greatest demonstration of Freedom the world has EVER known, and...in perfect keeping with God's Plan. I can't see any other meaning which comes close.
Here is the book of Revelation explanation for the "Many waters" (try not to get tangled in details, I am quoting whole verses instead of just the words I mean to explain, just for context's sake.):
"Chapter 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
verse 15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. "
What I take away from this redirect is multifaceted, as explained in probably too much detail :oops: , above. But what I get out of the simple Bible verse TS gave us, is, that the devil has deceived the whole world, there are captives needing to be set free, and some are so deceived they don't realize that they ARE captives, and will BUCK all His efforts.
God says: (my paraphrasing,) "No matter how they clammer against my attempts to save them, My Love will not be stopped or leave them captive." In other words, we will all be free to choose Life or Death with a clear mind.
(And in another part of the Bible, God even gives us a hint which to choose. (Deuteronomy 30:19) "Choose Life." Capital "L" Life. Not just breathing in and out here. High, full Life.)
(Incidentally, the rest of the verse goes, "... if a man would give all the substance of his house for (THIS PURE) love, it would be judged a price not great enough. He would be scorned for thinking God's love can be purchased with any amount." God's friendship is priceless.
It is true, that a person may fight and gouge at someone rousing them from cozy dreamland to carry them out to the snow at midnight----until they are fully awake and SEE where they were moments before, in their fully involved, burning house. It is a matter of perspective. MJ is helping us to SEE. 8-)
May all of us become fully awake on this journey, and discover the Truth which sets us all free, so we can help others see as well, all for the Highest Love.
Thank you, MJsBabyDoll, for the painting, and your thoughts, last November. And, thank you, TS for the hint (the Feb 14 redirect), which blessed my socks off :D ; I hope this was somehow what you meant. :)
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@Its her,
I read your post twice. I don´t understand at all how you come to those conclusions.
Do I understand from your post, in resume, that TS used redirections from bible quotes to understand what Love means or Michael´s plan of love?
I got a bit lost, as usual.
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The crosscards site also has an e-card with the verse 6
http://www.crosscards.com/cards/love-1/ ... 6-7.html.. (http://www.crosscards.com/cards/love-1/song-of-solomon-8-6-7.html..).
This redirect for 02/14 was to verse 7 but in
TIAI Revealed, Part 6: “This Is It” Movie Rating (R20-R28) TS wrote:
R27. “WHEN the Disciples Gathered Around Him …”
{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2014:20&version=NKJV}
“However, WHEN the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.” (Acts 14:20, NKJV). As usual, not only was the quoted verse important, but also the context (previous verse): “Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.”
Here again we have parallels, like with David: enemies trying to kill him, God saving him from death, yet they think that he is dead (like most think MJ is dead), and then a “resurrection” and return to public life (he rose up, etc).
Although many saw the parallels here, it seems that nobody noticed the key word “WHEN” (which is why I have emphasized it here). Do you want to see MJ return to public view? Of course, we all do! Then we need to “gather around him” by joining Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E. (see R28 & R39).
The message seems to be that love is a flame that can’t be extinguished by a flood of negative information or events. The murky surging 'flood water' is destructive but love survives it. The redirect might be intended to encourage us before something negative seems to happen - perhaps in the trial.
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Some interesting things about waterfalls:
1) In religion & spirituality it means a rebirth, a cleansing of sorts. Wiki summed it up:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_M ... all_symbol (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Meaning_of_waterfall_symbol)
2) To dream of a waterfall:
To dream of a waterfall, foretells that you will secure your wildest desire, and fortune will be exceedingly favorable to your progress.
It's from this site:
http://www.dream-interpretation.org.uk/ ... erfall.htm (http://www.dream-interpretation.org.uk/free-dream-interpretation-dictionary-w/dream-interpretation-waterfall.htm)
I think the actual waterfall might be part of what TS is trying to get across to us. I have seen Niagara Falls once before....truly breathtaking. The awesome power mere water can produce is staggering. Unfortunately, water can also be deadly. It's the classic beautiful, but deadly scenario.
Anyways......hope you all are having a wonderful day!
A "shower" of blessings to you ;)
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An interesting article about using a waterfall for TII:
Michael Jackson - Jackson Wanted Victoria Falls Onstage
16 October 2009 08:16
Jackson Wanted Victoria Falls Onstage
The promoters behind MICHAEL JACKSON's ill-fated This Is It comeback shows balked at the spiralling costs of the production when the budget shot up from $7 million (£4.6 million) to $24 million (£16 million) as the King of Pop perfected his act.
And when Jackson suggested Africa's Victoria Falls be recreated onstage, concert bosses decided enough was enough.
The pop superstar died in June (09), just weeks before the show was set to debut at the O2 Arena in London - and Randy Phillips, the president of promotion firm AEG Live which organised the concerts, insists they would have been spectacular, and expensive.
He says, "The original budget was seven-and-a-half million dollars (and) I knew when we did the deal, knowing Michael, it would go to 10, maybe 12; by the time it hit 24, I was actually ready to jump off the balcony because we were running out of time, running out of money.
"He said to us he wanted us to recreate Victoria Falls... We looked at each other and said, 'How are we gonna do that?'
"We were able to talk him out of the waterfall."
Contactmusic.com
Here is the link for page:
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... ge_1119241 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/jackson-wanted-victoria-falls-onstage_1119241)
Blessings!
PS> Nice picture they used for the article ;)
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I kinda think TS was just posting a nice Valentine's Day message for us with this redirect. However, I do sense as I always have, that the significance of Michael in the grand scheme of life is greatly underestimated.
It's something my spirit man understands, but my fleshly mind has some catching up to do. So, Its her, I think you ("He was persecuted to botch up his massive Worldwide power of influence") and a few others have touched on these things we won't fully comprehend until we get Home, but this message of love is eternal, and as long as I have breath I will praise God and give Him glory for all He has done, and for His unconditional, unquenchable love.
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You are all bringing out interesting aspects on the water and love theme. I do think TS is leaving it up because he wants us to brainstorm longer. Perhaps he will redirect with a post he is satisfied with in explaining it.
wishingstar, what an interesting find. I can't imagine how MJ would have wanted falls incorporated into a stage set. Real water would be very noisy, but they could have just put it on the big screen. So I don't know if this was just thrown out there for a curious something to make MJ sound demanding and whimsical, or if in fact for MJ's various stage sets or video sets that MJ didn't always get what he wanted. I believe what MJ wanted he got because he was the man with the vision. Anyway I found this article,
Victoria Falls residents cant stop crying over Jackson's death
Saturday, 27 June 2009 10:59 Editor News
By Editor
Zimbabweans mostly those in the resort town of Victoria Falls cant stop crying over the death of the King of Pop music, Michael Jackson.
I remember, when I was still a journalist at the Bulawayo Chronicle under the editorship of Stephen Mpofu when news came in that the King of Pop was in Zimbabwe to see one of the seven Wonders of the World, Victoria Falls.
Obviously a senior reporter had to be despatched to cover the biggest music icon ever to grace our time. I was lucky to have been nominated for this as I was among the journalist candidates.
I remember driving at high speed with now the late photographer Zibusiso Ndlovu. Unfortunately, when we arrived there after a two hour drive, we were told Michael Jackson had just flown to Harare to meet President Mugabe.
His arrival and stay at the Victoria Falls has left some indelible memories among hotel workers, waterfalls workers etc. Most who saw this icon say he was warm, soft spoken and very kind.
Though I missed what could have been the best interview of my career, the story i produced set anxiety and more interest among our readers. Just to say, "Chronicle missed MJ by 30 mins in Victoria Falls" turned out to be a biggest selling newspaper story.
Our newspaper sells increased by 20 000 and I was later promoted to the position of chief reporter.
http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=293 (http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1469:victoria-falls-residents-cant-stop-crying-over-jacksons-death&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=293)
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This redirect it's very important for me because I know Michael has something special regarding WATER.Remember WATER BALLON FIGHTS,remember the water scene from The way you make me fell clip,remember the rain scene from Stranger in Moscow,witch I found very similar to V from Vendetta movie when Eve comes out from "prison", remember that interview he made in 1984 when he was near a fountain talking about creating magic ,etc
Yes MJ incorporates water in beautiful ways. He also dances in puddles in the panther video, and returns in fog/rain in Moonwalker. There are many clips/pics of him enjoying and jumping/sliding into water, and of course his clips as an angel sitting in a pool.
Its Her, very interesting post. Not sure about the woman who has pulled him away to renounce all he has, but it's a interesting concept--all for L.O.V.E, and I would be happy for him if it were true. We have to explore all the options right? I just personally don't think it fits all the details of what's been happening with the hoax.
Check this out! This dragon, this serpent, is colored red in the Word, but, no matter; men have been inspired to paint what they heard read to them in churches for hundreds of years before the Bible was a household book, for instant reference. Green or red, Anglo or other, I recognized the man as Jesus and I know who the beast is: the Bible says he is "the one who deceives the whole world".
MJsBabyDoll and I agreed that the little faces in the bubbles at the bottom of the picture, must be trapped souls...Imagine my AMAZEMENT, when the album MICHAEL 's cover was unveiled and these same bubbles are built into his design
I haven't been able to magnify it enough to really scrutinize it, but I will. As yet, I don't know if the bubbles are unconsciously used in the album art, or by design. (Btw, as long as I am reaching, shamelessly, perhaps MJ's naming of his chimp, "Bubbles", directly but subconsciously, relates, perhaps from his childhood, to his admiration of the concept of this painting, SETTING THE CAPTIVES FREE.) I believe the name of the painting is "Victory" Another "V" for our collection!
My Gosh , it all goes together so well, I am stunned. You can't make this up!
It would be the greatest demonstration of Freedom the world has EVER known, and...in perfect keeping with God's Plan. I can't see any other meaning which comes close.
Here is the book of Revelation explanation for the "Many waters" (try not to get tangled in details, I am quoting whole verses instead of just the words I mean to explain, just for context's sake.):
"Chapter 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
verse 15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. "
What I take away from this redirect is multifaceted, as explained in probably too much detail , above. But what I get out of the simple Bible verse TS gave us, is, that the devil has deceived the whole world, there are captives needing to be set free, and some are so deceived they don't realize that they ARE captives, and will BUCK all His efforts.
Yes I totally agree that is MJ's message and part purpose for the hoax. In light of all this my thoughts on TS's redirect then are:
All the people of the world cannot stop the love of God and Michael's L.O.V.E. nor can their means of pleasure through money, material possessions, Hollywood fame and the latest star ever satisfy the need for this love.
The people and TPTB cannot destroy this special L.O.V.E. though they try to drown it by ruining MJ's reputation, ridiculing him and trying to find new talent to replace him and his legacy. He is invincible and love will win out over hate.
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My further thoughts: http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/song-of-solomon-87/
Ok so this may mean nothing but the fact that TS has been on this redirect for over a week now has this text haunting me. :-)
So I decided to dig a little deeper and do some further study.
So far what has been talked about via our posts are primarily about true love and that love can conquer all kind of themes.
I’m going to look at this from the perspective of God’s love.
Now I decided to listen to a sermon online and lo and behold I chose one from Charles Spurgeon (CS not TS) LOL oh boy I’m corny! It said CS preached this sermon Feb 24, 1861 – exactly 150 years ago to the day! God’s ways are very strange!
Anyway this is called the Shulamite’s Choice Prayer – Song of Solomon 8:6-7
These words, verses 6-7, are the cry of a soul, a woman who has been leaning on her husband and her husband must go away for a time because it is better for her. He makes a covenant, a sign, to assure that she is near to his heart.
This to me sounded like it could be a parallel to MJ, gone for a time but leaving signs that we are near to his heart.
It also sounded to me like it could be TS pulling away for a time so we can stand on our own and not rely on the redirects so dependently.
Then CS speaks of this being like God being away from us and the church praying for God’s return and we long for his return.
Christ’s heart is ours. God’s love is so strong that he will fight for us, for our salvation. Nothing will break this love.
Our name is set like a seal on His heart. He is crazy about us. And God’s love will conquer anything satan can do.
TS has mentioned this before…. MJ has said this.
I’m going to be very controversial here (especially for those who don’t like the God talk) but we need to rely on GOD, not TS, not MJ. TS & MJ are mere humans…. Fallible. I believe we need to put the pieces of this puzzle together and get the big picture.
This is beyond a hoax. It’s beyond Illuminati, NWO, or the turf wars on a global scale.
This is about a spiritual battle over each and everyone of us and we each individually need to figure out what the heck is going on by studying for thyself and being very aware about what is about to take place in the end times.
If I’ve offended anyone, I’m sorry however:
"It is better to be divided by Truth, than to be united in error. It is better to speak the Truth that hurts and then heals, than to speak a lie that will comfort and then kill. It is better to be hated for telling the Truth, than to be loved for telling a lie. It is better to stand alone with the Truth, than to be wrong with a multitude. Better to ultimately die with the Truth, than to live with a lie."
I love you guys.
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@Its her,
I read your post twice. I don´t understand at all how you come to those conclusions.
Do I understand from your post, in resume, that TS used redirections from bible quotes to understand what Love means or Michael´s plan of love?
I got a bit lost, as usual.
Hi Gema,
Yes...sorta. I am sorry to have confused you. I sometimes get too excited. Maybe I left something out which would have made more sense. :oops:
To be clear, I don't have a bonafide clue WHAT TS meant for us to find, (I only know what I found, when I looked). I asked TS for clarity---in case he ever reads response to this redirect. I know he does, sometimes read around here--just to be certain we are all getting it, what he means to say.
I would NEVER put words in someone's mouth and state them as theirs, without permission.
I just gave ALL the conclusions I could possibly come to, from his redirect Feb 14. They could all be true, the things others have suggested, included. OR,
:o TS could exclaim, "WHERE in the hee haw heck did you get THAT, from what I posted??? :!: " ( :oops: :lol: )
I don't think TS is a screamer, but even if he is, I won't get my feelings hurt.
:D I LOVE what I found. Perhaps TS didn't mean to show me this. Perhaps GOD showed me something better than what TS meant... ;) He's with us on this Journey, too, you know.
Then, too, TS could have only meant it as a Valentine's Day greeting. Sometimes we overthink things people say.
But, NOT when a person is redirecting us, as an Investigative Body of BeLIEvers, to discover some Truth we should all have. I think, he means for us to study his post(s), and not stop at just face value. THIS is where I got all excited. :D I clicked on the link, and I read every(non-shopping :? :lol: ) link on the page he sent us to.
Go to the links on the page and read some of them.
There are only a few informational links; the rest are all to shop, for cards or etc... Many of the links are about learning about the Bible, and learning about how to be like Jesus--- someone, MJ said, he tried to emulate in all his actions and life's dealings with others. I think this is exactly what TS was pointing to :!: But, it is only what I think. There is also a link about life and death---the basic theme of the Bible, which is All For Love, despite what men have done in God's Name on earth....
The other things I wondered about---MJ and some gal talking him out of his career, fame and wealth---were things some of us feared, when he disappeared June 2009. Once we figured out he was alive--some were afraid this had finally happened: MJ had said once, supposedly(to a tabloid reporter), that getting involved with a woman would :? "hurt the music", :shock: in a kind of cryptic "Samson-esque" manner.
By "Samson", I mean Biblical Samson. He was a godly man with superhuman God-given strength. Many folks tried to find the secret of his strength, but he never would reveal it. Eventually a young beauty used her wiles on him and got him to tell his secret to her. He said it was his long locks--his curls---God said he was never to set a razor to them. She cut his hair while he slept, and when he awoke, he found his strength gone...
Anyway, MJ supposedly said this once, and NO one wanted his music to disappear---so if he believed this to be the secret to his God-given genius, who were we to talk him out of it?
Some people even on this forum(you can still read these posts) believed that a woman had talked him into retirement, and that he had gone on to live a NORMAL life, very privately with her and the kids.
I don't really think that. :roll: He has left way too many hints that he is working still, :D now ;) 8-) , and he is coming back BIGTIME :shock: . But, for a while, there, LOTs of fans simply, tearfully, wished him well in his self imposed exile to a normal private life. It COULD happen----but this is NOT it---what TS is saying to us right now. AT ALL :!:
I only mentioned it, to show how off track I can get, without ANY help!! :roll: :oops: if I try to connect things to my investigation which TS purposely left out of his redirect. In this case I was using the part of the verse he left out, and many others ALSO quoted that part, and examined it for possibilities. I think we were unsure whether THAT was what he meant us to find, and study, when, considering it, now, it seems too simple :oops: :oops: .
But, I think the main thing was about God's Plan of Love and how MJ plans to change the world, beginning with those who follow him, who sincerely desire the same thing and wish to learn and do likewise. It makes me happy that he loves and trusts God so much, after all.... 8-)
So sorry to be confusing!! Handsprings and typing, don't mix well, I guess :P :P :P :lol:
:)
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Upon further pondering on the water theme this popped into my mind:
water is necessary for all of life...without it all living things die.
And, ironically, fire (for the most part) can be extinguished with a huge dose of water. Kinda reminds me of MJ's "Let it burn" drama on stage in TII! Perhaps, he is signaling to us that soon, and very soon, the flames will be doused with plenty of water?!?!?!? In that case, let it rain!!!!
Water was pouring out of Carolwood Drive mansion as reported on June 28, 2009.
Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/weird-jackson-rental-home-a-mess/
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring
The videos have been removed, but here are some stills:
[attachment=2:1hoqey7k]Waterpouring_20090628_4.jpg[/attachment:1hoqey7k]
[attachment=1:1hoqey7k]Waterpouring_20090628_b_2.jpg[/attachment:1hoqey7k]
Who else was there?
A red Toyota Prius.
[attachment=0:1hoqey7k]Waterpouring_20090628.jpg[/attachment:1hoqey7k]
We've seen this car on the ambulance videos.
Ben Evenstad owned one he lent to Michael for joy rides.
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On the top right corner there is an advertisement and in the red letters it says "Still time to make that change :D I can't see it now but I am sure I saw something along those lines anyone else see the same thing?
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@Grace, good connection. I remember that report very very vaguely, I also remember thinking this means something...
...that's a flood at Carrolwood right after the illusion was performed.
This is indeed a big deal.
I'm starting to think these are less clues (ie hints to solve the puzzle) and more bait (a lure to draw us in).
It seems MJ is less helping us figure it out... and more just keeping our attention.
Like a magician diverts you with movements of his right hand while his left hand conceals... and then reveals the dove. He's not hinting to you where the dove went, he's keeping your attention until he completes the trick.
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@its her,
Thanks for your post.
@Grace,
the car connection is something i wasn´t awared of.
Where is TS btw?
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On the top right corner there is an advertisement and in the red letters it says "Still time to make that change :D I can't see it now but I am sure I saw something along those lines anyone else see the same thing?
Yes.....I do remember that ad. It's a rollover ad....if you rollover that area, it flips back to a page advertising something about earning a degree. I wondered about the phrasing too ;) Thanks for pointing that out!
@bec....
totally see your points about the magician-factor. Diversion is the key to magic for sure. I loved your parallels to the hoax.....lure us in, keeping our attention....all right on target. Reminds me, yet again, of Criss Angel.
@angel........
Perhaps TS did just mean this as a nice card. If that's the case....thank you TS! A simple card has managed to create a lot of discussion, on many subjects. I hope, if another redirect happens, it prompts even more great thought and ideas! I'd give anything to know what TS thinks of all this....rolling on the floor with laughter because we are so off base, crying buckets because we are so off base or just plain content. I suppose it really doesn't matter what TS thinks of us. As long as we keep discussing things on a positive, mature level, we can't go wrong.
So, on with the show..........what else can we discover about this redirect? I like some of the ads that keep changing....the one right now says, "Touch One Life in 2011".
Blessings Always!
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Wishingstar i can add a strange thought of mine if you wish :lol: this redirect made me think of google ocean :lol: I remember having read an article talking about it and the discovery of "evidence" of the legendary lost city Atlantis. Blessings to you :D
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Wishingstar i can add a strange thought of mine if you wish :lol: this redirect made me think of google ocean :lol: I remember having read an article talking about it and the discovery of "evidence" of the legendary lost city Atlantis. Blessings to you :D
OMGosh...that's awesome Sarahli! I love stories about Atlantis :) I must have missed the article.....have to go search. Thanks! Hope you have a beautiful day!
Blessings to you as well!
LOVE
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Sorry had the wrong message it reads"still time,make a difference I also saw one with a crown,it changes often. every thing has some type of connection to Michael in some way. From fund raisers,God,even a book "tortured for christ."
This whole page reminds me of this song.
FLY away
Our love's an OCEAN
Give me a notion 'cause
You know we'll never part
Our love get by
I love in season
Give me a reason 'cause
You know we'll never part
Our love goodbye
And together we'll fly
I'll give you my heart
No place too far for us
We don't need it...
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today...
I love a OCEAN
Give me a notion 'cause
You know we'll never see
The thing you see
I love a reason
Give me a reason 'cause
You know we'll never part
I love so hard
And together we'll fly
I'll give you my heart
(I'll give you my heart)
No place too far for us
We don't need it...
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today...
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today...
Love is here to stay...
[Rebbie, spoken]
You know baby
I don't wanna go away
I don't wanna fly away
Oh no...
Alone at last
I give you my heart
(I give you my heart)
No place too far for us
We don't need it...
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Baby don't make me
Fly Away
Gonna stay
Love today...
[Michael, sample]
Love you
Love you
Love you girl...
Make me fly away...
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I just listened to the song Fly Away on You Tube...I don't have the Bad Special Edition. It's a really beautiful song. I wonder why it was never released as a single. I think it could have been really popular.
Thanks for sharing the information Terror2k10.......
I can totally see how this redirect make you think of this song :)
Have a beautiful day!
Blessings Always!
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Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?
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i thought we'd have a new redirect today, it's been 20 months since June 25, 2009. :?
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Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?
You must be psychic or something lol! ;)
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Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?
You must be psychic or something lol! ;)
You can say that again! ;) :roll:
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Holy moley Grace! Your post about the red Toyota Prius leads directly to TS's post about the reflection of the same car and greenery mystery. More digging needed I guess. :D
Upon further pondering on the water theme this popped into my mind:
water is necessary for all of life...without it all living things die.
And, ironically, fire (for the most part) can be extinguished with a huge dose of water. Kinda reminds me of MJ's "Let it burn" drama on stage in TII! Perhaps, he is signaling to us that soon, and very soon, the flames will be doused with plenty of water?!?!?!? In that case, let it rain!!!!
Water was pouring out of Carolwood Drive mansion as reported on June 28, 2009.
Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/weird-jackson-rental-home-a-mess/
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring
The videos have been removed, but here are some stills:
[attachment=2:2i6kexr6]Waterpouring_20090628_4.jpg[/attachment:2i6kexr6]
[attachment=1:2i6kexr6]Waterpouring_20090628_b_2.jpg[/attachment:2i6kexr6]
Who else was there?
A red Toyota Prius.
[attachment=0:2i6kexr6]Waterpouring_20090628.jpg[/attachment:2i6kexr6]
We've seen this car on the ambulance videos.
Ben Evenstad owned one he lent to Michael for joy rides.
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http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/weir ... me-a-mess/ (http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/weird-jackson-rental-home-a-mess/)
Weird - Jackson rental home - a mess
Greta Van Susteren | June 28, 2009 5:29 PM
Print Email Share 0 Comments Below is a picture followed by two videos. When we were at the expensive home Jackson rented, we observed a huge water leak, source unknown, causing damage and no one seemed to be attending to. It was strange -- water pouring out of the house (see photo below which shows water flowing down the street.) The 2 videos below show the water leaking and possibly ruining the property. The rental home, said to be owend by Sean Connery either now or at an earlier date, is built into a hilly type area. The garage, on one side, is street level (see the 2 videos below.) Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)
This is from the link Grace posted. How could there be an unknown source. Either its a watermain break, or a tap was left running. The fire engines that were there on the 25 wouldn't have sprayed any water in a non-fire situation. I know Jermaine once said in a video that Michael was like Moses and he was like Aaron. Moses once struck a rock and water started pouring out from it to quench the thirst of probably a million or so Israelite people in the desert. I know this is a wild thought. Did Michael's "death" set in motion an unusual event? Is Michael giving us a hint of his capabilities?
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This was not a running tap, this was like a firehose. The water flow was HUGE.
Too bad the vids have gone. It was impressive.
I thought of a massive "cleaning" when I saw this.
Water and feelings have a strong connection.
We, humans, are made of 70% water.
When we are unbalanced, we break out in tears and cry water.
We feel fine in the presence of water.
We feel strange when water is missing.
An interesting site on that connection:
Water
The Way of Feelings, Healing and Adaptability
Water is the softest substance is the world,
but one of the most powerful for one simple reason,its adapatable,
to wherever and whatever means it needs to to get to the place it wants to go
The way of water is the way of taking the path with the least resistance,
to flow with the surface to get to the lowest point
Ok interesting point you say but what has that to do with you ?
We are human and therefore subject to emotions and feelings
unlike any other creation on earth, other things have something like it,
but their reactions are based almost entirely on pre wired genetics,
whereas Man... can choose how to feel...about anything
And boy do we ever...!
We are all about emotions,they nearly rule our entire life, for good or ill
Don't think so ? Think on this for moment,you are here reading this
partly because of the minds need to know, the Way of intellect,
however how what you read makes you feel
is how it will be locked into the mind, colored by the feeling it creates
The pictures, the colors, the background, the words ,
all leave their mark on your feelings and emotions
The lessons of Water are simple but profound.
The path of least resistance,sounds like a cop out right, not really
its simple logic. The easiest way to get somewhere is the way of Water,
why should you make it any harder on yourself than you must ?
Lesson two, .to flow on that path
There's is no force on earth that can withstand Water in large amounts,
everything has to give way to it. Its very adaptability to any form it must take to achieve its
aims is its power, so to with man, we must wear many hats
in the course of an average day, each an adaptation
to whatever the circumstances require of us
More: The way of Water is to heal, and it does so by releasing tension,
ever hear the expression,as boneless as water? This is the state of water as a pond, still,
quite and at peace ,there is no better state for healing work than this
Any doctor know this, all healers most certainly know it,
and a wise person knows it for themselves., and rolls with the flow of life,
to stand against that flow, is to be overwhelmed by it
Now this does not mean to never stand up for the self.. no no no...
Water is very good at this, ever see a river over flow its banks ?
It will carve new waterways in any direction to whatever depth it needs,
so it is with man, when the demand is there ,changes take place, must take place,
and will take place
When we call on Water in the circle we are asking for emotional depth and feeling
For the ability to flow with the power and make change
For the flexibility to heal the self
These are the gifts of Water.. its why the chalice is so often used as its icon
As its the power of water contained and ready to be used , to be poured
out over whatever needs it, by a loving hand
May your Cup always be Full
http://paganandproudofit.com/Water-the-way-of-feelings-healing-and-adaptability.html
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Upon further pondering on the water theme this popped into my mind:
water is necessary for all of life...without it all living things die.
And, ironically, fire (for the most part) can be extinguished with a huge dose of water. Kinda reminds me of MJ's "Let it burn" drama on stage in TII! Perhaps, he is signaling to us that soon, and very soon, the flames will be doused with plenty of water?!?!?!? In that case, let it rain!!!!
Water was pouring out of Carolwood Drive mansion as reported on June 28, 2009.
Water was leaking from the first foor, down into the garage and you could see the ceiling in the garage area starting to cave. Water - and this was odd - seemed to be pouring out of the electrical outlets in the video....we could not figure out what is the problem or the source of the ater but it sure looked like a neglected problem that was damaging the house (and needed to be fixed or would create a lot more damage.)
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/weird-jackson-rental-home-a-mess/
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring
The videos have been removed, but here are some stills:
[attachment=2:38ktpy22]Waterpouring_20090628_4.jpg[/attachment:38ktpy22]
[attachment=1:38ktpy22]Waterpouring_20090628_b_2.jpg[/attachment:38ktpy22]
Who else was there?
A red Toyota Prius.
[attachment=0:38ktpy22]Waterpouring_20090628.jpg[/attachment:38ktpy22]
We've seen this car on the ambulance videos.
Ben Evenstad owned one he lent to Michael for joy rides.
Hello Grace !!!!!
Thank you very much for your information.This is the one I've talked about when I said that it was strange when I saw ,back in 2009 that news about Michael's home.
Water is very important for our bodies,I know that very well,I always try to drink as much I as can,because I noticed that when I don't drink water I'm not ok.Drinking water is a common thing,but you will be amazed when I tell you that almost all people I know don't drink enough water,they usually drink coffe,soda drinks,coca cola,pepsi,that tipe wich are not healthy at all.I wonder why???????
Anyway water is very important ,here is Bruce Lee talking about water:
Bruce Lee_Be Water My Friend
[youtube:38ktpy22]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlnfTGlhXc[/youtube:38ktpy22]
LOVE
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Grace, I don't remember reading about the water ruining the Carolwood home before this, although I remember reading that the owner was claiming for damages to the house while MJ stayed there, and I thought that was weird like why would MJ damage the house.
This was not a running tap, this was like a firehose. The water flow was HUGE.
Too bad the vids have gone. It was impressive.
I thought of a massive "cleaning" when I saw this.
"Many waters cannot quench love,
neither can the floods drown it."
Song of Solomon 8:7
This is very puzzling to me. You think TS might be hinting at this? And now redirecting to the ambulance pic which was taken where the water situation and red car was also. None of it is making sense to me.
On the site you linked to, you were discussing about the article talking about MJ collapsing on the livingroom floor with Prince in a daze, them carrying him to his bed, the guard calling Joe who says to call 911. And people wanted to flush the house with water to remove evidence and make the house unihabited. :? :? Are you saying firemen doused the house with water? All this a totally different story than what's in the court now.
Souza, has this been discussed before on this forum?
Does anyone know anything more about this?
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Where had the water its origin that was pouring out of the house?
This will remain a mystery except for the guy who finally closed the fountain.
Looking at it from a (let's try it ;) ) logical point of view: staff was "immediately" fired by Thome Thome - I don't remember where that info came from. So maybe nobody stayed in the house. The family got back into the house to remove "bed linen sheets" and "toys" for the children (truckwise as photographed).
I would assume that after a death as well as after a "move out" there is usually a cleaning.
That water incident took place 3 days after the "passing", so this was a Sunday.
Whether anybody would clean the house on a Sunday or whether the water was pouring since Saturday is speculation.
A second unsolved question is why the water would pour out of electrical outlets too - which was clearly visible in the videos. Could have been damaging the electrical equipment as such - to necessitate a complete replacement of "critical" devices such as surveillance equipment and alarm devices (in order to destroy any potential last evidence of what really went on in the house).
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This whole thing becomes stranger by the hour. I know there was a discussion on here as to the question of whether Michael was actually living there or whether this house was just used for the purpose of this hoax/movie. I must say that we have some of the most determined investigators of all time. Keep investigating. The water is very puzzling indeed.
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Thinking about water & light (I remember that light has also a special meaning to Michael) in a form of reflection (mirror) as a rainbow, a magical natural and optical phenomenon, the rainbow has many symbolic and spiritual meanings
"According to Christian mythology and Judaic mythology, after Noah's flood the rainbow gained meaning as the sign of God's promise that terrestrial life would never again be destroyed by flood (Genesis 9:13–17):[31]
I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow)
http://michaeljacksonrememberedwithlove ... net-earth/ (http://michaeljacksonrememberedwithlove.com/2011/01/planet-earth/)
MJ and rainbow brings me to http://michaeljacksonrememberedwithlove ... e-rainbow/ (http://michaeljacksonrememberedwithlove.com/2011/01/neverland-was-somewhere-over-the-rainbow/)
Michael's beautiful poem with a clear message about the precious earth and the eco-system. The blue earth means the water. The images are worth watching.
Planet Earth
~by Michael Jackson, Dancing the Dream, 1992
This poem was co-written by Deepak Chopra, and published by Doubleday in Michael’s 1992 book of poems and reflections, Dancing the Dream. “This poem is particularly prescient given the destruction of the eco-system.” ~Deepak Chopra
Planet Earth, my home, my place
A capricious anomaly in the sea of space
Planet Earth, are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
A minor globe, about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spaceship, a large asteroid
Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue
Something tells me this isn’t true
You are my sweetheart, soft and blue
Do you care, have you a part
In the deepest emotions of my own heart
Tender with breezes, caressing and whole
Alive with music, haunting my soul.
In my veins I’ve felt the mystery
Of corridors of time, books of history
Life songs of ages throbbing in my blood
Have danced the rhythm of the tide and flood
Your misty clouds, your electric storm
Were turbulent tempests in my own form
I’ve licked the salt, the bitter, the sweet
Of every encounter, of passion, of heat
Your riotous color, your fragrance, your taste
Have thrilled my senses beyond all haste
In your beauty I’ve known the how
Of timeless bliss, this moment of now.
Planet Earth, are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
A minor globe, about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spaceship, a large asteroid
Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue
Something tells me this isn’t true
You are my sweetheart, soft and blue
Do you care, have you a part
In the deepest emotions of my own heart
Tender with breezes, caressing and whole
Alive with music, haunting my soul.
Planet Earth, gentle and blue
With all my heart, I love you.
[youtube:xi11c1d4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpaLQetqyPs&feature=player_embedded#at=13[/youtube:xi11c1d4]
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But it doesn't mean that there isn't going to be another flood if i understand properly this passage:
Matthew 24
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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Having a house flooded so badly the water is coming out of the outlets reminds me of the move MouseHunt which I've watched a few times, and which has a dramatic flood scene.
MouseHunt is a 1997 American slapstick/black comedy film, directed by Gore Verbinski, written by Adam Rifkin and starring Nathan Lane and Lee Evans. The story revolves around two brothers who inherit a crumbling old house from their eccentric father, find out that the house is worth millions, and subsequently find themselves locked in a battle of wits with a hyper-intelligent mouse.
It was the first family film to be released by DreamWorks.
At the mansion’s auction, Lars discovers the mouse’s parcel, which was returned due to insufficient postage, with a hole chewed through it. Lars and Ernie once again try to kill the mouse by putting a hose in a wall and flushing it out. This backfires horribly- the water fills many spaces between the walls of the house. Those present for the auction are washed outside when the walls give way, and despite Ernie's attempts to convince them to stay, they leave as the house collapses.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MouseHunt_(film)
I'm wondering if there was a waterbed that burst, but that doesn't account for enough water. I'm sure hoping that someone sometime will find some clues to answer this mystery. The idea of TT trying to flush out any evidence or destroy camera surveillance of the MJ event seems disturbing to me, leaning towards a murder, which is direction I prefer not to go because of all the evidence in the "alive" catagory. Hopefully even TS might consider adding something for this.
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Tomorrow is 2/26 (time of 'death'). Good date for a new redirect?
You must be psychic or something lol! ;)
Yeah, soon will ask if Souza's own TS. :lol:
Personal suspicious!
But this was a good hit, Souza! ;)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGd9D4J0lag [/youtube]
Flow: For Love of Water
Flow: For Love of Water is a 2008 documentary film directed by Irena Salina produced by Steven Starr and co-produced by Gill Holland and Yvette Tomlinson . The film features interviews with water and community activists Maude Barlow, Peter Gleick scientists Ashok Gadgil, Rajendra Singh and Vandana Shiva. The film won the Grand Jury Award at the Mumbai International Film Festival.
The film concentrates on the big business of privatization of water infrastructure which prioritizes profits over the availability of clean water for people and the environment. Major businesses depicted in the film are Nestle, The Coca-Cola Company, Suez, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
It competed in the Documentary Competition at the 2008 Sundance Film Festival.[1]
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