Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2011 => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on January 23, 2011, 08:22:12 PM
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Goes to: http://twitter.com/#!/Marlon_Jackson/st ... 6364910592 (http://twitter.com/#!/Marlon_Jackson/status/20720356364910592)
@Marlon_Jackson Marlon Jackson of J5
its been a great year. thank you all for unconditional love and support for my entire family. 2011 will be peaceful & bring joy to us all
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Oh yeah, I bet it will. :lol:
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I don't have a Twitter account and my page says Marlon posted this tweet on 12/30/2010. Why is it different if you have an account?
Also, the message Rebbie wrote to MJ in the memorial book mentioned that she would see MJ on earth again when there was peace in the world.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/rebbiememorialmessage.jpg)
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Mine says December 30th as well.
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I don't have a Twitter account and my page says Marlon posted this tweet on 12/30/2010. Why is it different if you have an account?
Twitter is probably screwed up again, happens all the time. If I log out it says December 30 indeed. When I log back in, it says Jan. 5. No clue why.
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Rebbie wrote that because all that she wrote was scriptural beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses and her and Michael are baptized witnesses. (her in good standing, Michael, who knows, depends on who you believe hum??)
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Rebbie wrote that because all that she wrote was scriptural beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses and her and Michael are baptized witnesses. (her in good standing, Michael, who knows, depends on who you believe hum??)
ahh judgement day ;) me thinks there is gonna be a lot of :o :shock: :? this goin on ;)
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Thanks you for the redirect TS- it always gives me hope and joy to see the Jacksons' tweets. I also saw Tito's today. Seems he has been to Hawaii.
We are all ready for joy and peace, that is for sure!
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I hope he means that Michael will be back in 2011........
What else could bring me joy and peace..... :cry:
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Rebbie's Scripture reference is John 5:28-29 but I also included the 3 verses before.
John 5:25-29 (King James Version)
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
@Marlon_Jackson Marlon Jackson of J5
its been a great year. thank you all for unconditional love and support for my entire family. 2011 will be peaceful & bring joy to us all
When the angels appeared to the shepherds to announce the birth of Jesus, they said,
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
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I read sometimes Watch Tower or how it is called and I think the JW think that God will give people a new earth so maybe his sister was reffering to this.
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Rebbie wrote that because all that she wrote was scriptural beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses and her and Michael are baptized witnesses. (her in good standing, Michael, who knows, depends on who you believe hum??)
You're right!!!
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Yes, I always understood Rebbie's comment as her JW beliefs.
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I read sometimes Watch Tower or how it is called and I think the JW think that God will give people a new earth so maybe his sister was reffering to this.
I being raised as a JW, and it's treu what you said, i want to add that there's gonna be a new heaven also to for the 144.000 Latoya has ones pointed to that in a intervieuw.
Revelation 21: 1
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I read sometimes Watch Tower or how it is called and I think the JW think that God will give people a new earth so maybe his sister was reffering to this.
I being raised as a JW, and it's treu what you said, i want to add that there's gonna be a new heaven also to for the 144.000 Latoya has ones pointed to that in a intervieuw.
Revelation 21: 1
Didnt La Toya also say in her book (I know part of the book is somewhere here on on forum) say that she believed Michael was one of 144.000 :? Im sure thats what she said :shock:
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchto ... ya-Jackson (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/178081/1/Interesting-Words-from-LaToya-Jackson)
knowing full well this kind of adulation was forbidden. Michael did everything humanly possible to demonstrate his dedication to Jehovah. Once when an elder criticized, 'Your movements on stage suggest sex; don't do them anymore,' my brother complied without protest and promptly changed the routine. He also invited an elder on tour to see for himself that he lived in harmony with all the [WatchTower] faith's rules, canvassed door to door, and attended all the meetings. ... One day I walked into Janet's room to find Michael crying his eyes out. 'LaToya, ... I can't talk to you ever again. ... The elders had a big meeting, and they told me never to speak to you because you haven't been coming to the Kingdom Hall. ... they said that if I don't stop talking to you, they'll kick me out of the religion.' ... Michael decided to disobey the elders' edict and after that never attended any more meetings. ... he subsequently severed his ties to the organization through a formal letter. What made this painful episode even more agonizing was that for a long time I believed Michael might be one of the Remnant, the select 144,000. -- pages 196-200.
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchto ... ya-Jackson (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/178081/1/Interesting-Words-from-LaToya-Jackson)
knowing full well this kind of adulation was forbidden. Michael did everything humanly possible to demonstrate his dedication to Jehovah. Once when an elder criticized, 'Your movements on stage suggest sex; don't do them anymore,' my brother complied without protest and promptly changed the routine. He also invited an elder on tour to see for himself that he lived in harmony with all the [WatchTower] faith's rules, canvassed door to door, and attended all the meetings. ... One day I walked into Janet's room to find Michael crying his eyes out. 'LaToya, ... I can't talk to you ever again. ... The elders had a big meeting, and they told me never to speak to you because you haven't been coming to the Kingdom Hall. ... they said that if I don't stop talking to you, they'll kick me out of the religion.' ... Michael decided to disobey the elders' edict and after that never attended any more meetings. ... he subsequently severed his ties to the organization through a formal letter. What made this painful episode even more agonizing was that for a long time I believed Michael might be one of the Remnant, the select 144,000. -- pages 196-200.
when i think about it...It's what Latoya have said, does anybody knows whats Michael's vision where on that, i like to know his perpective.
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[youtube:3779gcqw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP_vJOwGU80[/youtube:3779gcqw]
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Sounds great ... what can bring joy to us all apart from Michael's return?? Maybe that when Michael said "see you in July" it was really a clue :lol:
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"Your movements on stage suggest sex" so what?! Was Michael the only one who did this? As I can remember there are artists who do real disgusting things and no church comes to tell them to stop doing it.
OK I do not want to go against religion but I think the moralists of this should really be sincere with themselves and think what sex means to them - are they so pure as they pretend, are they able to keep themselves so clean in mind and body that they feel entitled to judge the others?
Sex is a natural thing that God gave to people not only to make children in my opinion....
Why do all churches in this world promote the idea that sex is bad?
:roll:
I hate when a bunch of people, being they priests or whatever, come and pretend the only truth is their truth.
Oh, and I hope Marlon's tweet is not another "false alarm" like Janet's tweet when she says it is the time for the fans to know the truth.....
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The Jacksons and their dubious comments!
I do not think Michael back in 2011! But hope is the last to die.
It is impossible to know what will happen in the future!
So can only hope and wait ... another month ... one more semester ... over an entire year ... and another year ..... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Anyway, I hope that one day the truth comes to us!
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@Marlon_Jackson Marlon Jackson of J5
its been a great year. thank you all for unconditional love and support for my entire family. 2011 will be peaceful & bring joy to us all
amen
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Hmm Marlon wrote 2011 will be a peaceful year, so I think that means we are not going to have Michael back in 2011. Coz when he gets back, the world is going to be shaked up, everyone will be shocked. And we will begin with his command. So I don't think that it would be very peaceful when he gets back. 2012 can be the year for a comeback. But who knows... :)
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Hmm Marlon wrote 2011 will be a peaceful year, so I think that means we are not going to have Michael back in 2011. Coz when he gets back, the world is going to be shaked up, everyone will be shocked. And we will begin with his command. So I don't think that it would be very peaceful when he gets back. 2012 can be the year for a comeback. But who knows... :)
I disagree. There is more and more fighting in de world, which will get worse even more. If this year is gonna be peaceful, something needs to change first and the world needs a wake-up call. A call for revolution can be peaceful too. No joy without a change of tides. People will be shocked by his return, but that doesn't mean they get violent. They will be baffled and it needs to settle down and people will need some time to accept and take it in. I think a lot depends on the way he bams and what he will say or do. I have the feeling that he will return somewhere this year. I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. 2012 is surely still a possibility, most likely if the trial needs to be played out, but somehow this year seems to be destined to be an interesting year.
Besides that I think that 2012 will be too late, for the reason that I think TPTB will use the fear for the end of the world that year that people have, to take over complete control. We already see it starting with the birds falling out of the sky, the dead fish and what else, plus all the strange climate changes and natural disasters that follow each other up too quick lately. I think there is an evil agenda for 2012 and I think Mike knows more about it than some would have wanted him to know. Pretty much why I think he had to be taken down. So to make the people aware of what is happening, he should return this year. Just see how long it took most people on here to accept the reasons, it will take time for the general public to accept and digest as well. That is why I think 2012 is too late. But time will tell I guess. I'm sure he knows what he's doing.
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Hmm Marlon wrote 2011 will be a peaceful year, so I think that means we are not going to have Michael back in 2011. Coz when he gets back, the world is going to be shaked up, everyone will be shocked. And we will begin with his command. So I don't think that it would be very peaceful when he gets back. 2012 can be the year for a comeback. But who knows... :)
I disagree. There is more and more fighting in de world, which will get worse even more. If this year is gonna be peaceful, something needs to change first and the world needs a wake-up call. A call for revolution can be peaceful too. No joy without a change of tides. People will be shocked by his return, but that doesn't mean they get violent. They will be baffled and it needs to settle down and people will need some time to accept and take it in. I think a lot depends on the way he bams and what he will say or do. I have the feeling that he will return somewhere this year. I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. 2012 is surely still a possibility, most likely if the trial needs to be played out, but somehow this year seems to be destined to be an interesting year.
Besides that I think that 2012 will be too late, for the reason that I think TPTB will use the fear for the end of the world that year that people have, to take over complete control. We already see it starting with the birds falling out of the sky, the dead fish and what else, plus all the strange climate changes and natural disasters that follow each other up too quick lately. I think there is an evil agenda for 2012 and I think Mike knows more about it than some would have wanted him to know. Pretty much why I think he had to be taken down. So to make the people aware of what is happening, he should return this year. Just see how long it took most people on here to accept the reasons, it will take time for the general public to accept and digest as well. That is why I think 2012 is too late. But time will tell I guess. I'm sure he knows what he's doing.
110% Agree with everything you've said!
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1. some believe those 144,000 are jews
2. isn't prince known to be somewhat raunchy , what about him
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Hmm Marlon wrote 2011 will be a peaceful year, so I think that means we are not going to have Michael back in 2011. Coz when he gets back, the world is going to be shaked up, everyone will be shocked. And we will begin with his command. So I don't think that it would be very peaceful when he gets back. 2012 can be the year for a comeback. But who knows... :)
I disagree. There is more and more fighting in de world, which will get worse even more. If this year is gonna be peaceful, something needs to change first and the world needs a wake-up call. A call for revolution can be peaceful too. No joy without a change of tides. People will be shocked by his return, but that doesn't mean they get violent. They will be baffled and it needs to settle down and people will need some time to accept and take it in. I think a lot depends on the way he bams and what he will say or do. I have the feeling that he will return somewhere this year. I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. 2012 is surely still a possibility, most likely if the trial needs to be played out, but somehow this year seems to be destined to be an interesting year.
Besides that I think that 2012 will be too late, for the reason that I think TPTB will use the fear for the end of the world that year that people have, to take over complete control. We already see it starting with the birds falling out of the sky, the dead fish and what else, plus all the strange climate changes and natural disasters that follow each other up too quick lately. I think there is an evil agenda for 2012 and I think Mike knows more about it than some would have wanted him to know. Pretty much why I think he had to be taken down. So to make the people aware of what is happening, he should return this year. Just see how long it took most people on here to accept the reasons, it will take time for the general public to accept and digest as well. That is why I think 2012 is too late. But time will tell I guess. I'm sure he knows what he's doing.
Explanation about what will happen in court on January 25. When is the trial?
As reported earlier judge Pastor has ordered Conrad Murray to stand trial.
The cardiologist will be arraigned on January 25, the Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled after six days of hearings that included evidence that Murray tried to cover up having given Michael an overdose of the drug propofol.
What is arraignment ?
Arraignment is a formal reading of a criminal complaint in the presence of the defendant to inform the defendant of the charges against him or her. In response to arraignment, the accused is expected to enter a plea. Acceptable pleas vary among jurisdictions, but they generally include “guilty”, “not guilty”, and the peremptory pleas (or pleas in bar) setting out reasons why a trial cannot proceed. Pleas of “nolo contendere” (no contest) and the “Alford plea” are allowed in some circumstances.
Some of you might be expecting Murray to go to trial real soon. You wil probably be dissapointed. Legal experts are expecting the judge to schedule the start of the trial no earlier than 2012! The first date is rumored to be January 12, 2012.
Source: http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/?p=3642 (http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/?p=3642)
I don't know if this is going to last longer than 1 or 2 years but where does it bring the 'till 2012 save the planet, unite against illuminati' theory? He is going to come back to lead his Army of Love and with his command we begin... but WHEN? Isn't it going to be too late if he comes back after 2012? So where did the "we have 4 years to get it right" part go? You know what I'm trying to say? I'm not losing hope or want him to come back earlier for our sakes but if the hoax was done to wake people up about illuminati and NWO also, where does it go from here? So are we wrong about the illuminati part of the hoax, making 666 upside down and make it 999 etc? This confuses me.
Do we agree or disagree? I think we only disagree about the things that could happen after MJ bams. I do believe that there will be a fight/war btw good and evil and that won't cause joy for sure. Hard days are waiting for us if it happens. illuminati versus anti illuminati issue I'm talking about.
And we both agree. I got the post of yours about Murray's trial about when it will be starting and it is in Jan 2012 IF we have a trial for sure. And that is my post I made on that thread. I do agree that 2012 will be too late. BUT this is Michael's hoax as you wrote many times. It is not about what we feel or think. He is the one who is going to decide about when to BAM. According to the trial issue, I interpreted Marlon's tweet like that. But I HOPE I'm wrong about it as I do feel like 2012 would be too late.
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TS- 'peaceful', 'joy'. Does that mean no more wars?
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1. some believe those 144,000 are jews
2. isn't prince known to be somewhat raunchy , what about him
To say you've become a Jehovah's Witness, can it just mean you believe their take on the Bible, or does it mean that they approved and accepted you into a list of their membership. In that case MJ's elders would have given Prince a tongue-lashing as well.
Does anyone know of MJ's relationship with the JW elders etc. in later years? If he wasn't supposed to speak to LaToya because she wasn't going to church, then what about Katherine, wouldn't they have told her to cut off her whole family except Rebbie? Something inconsistent here. Maybe LaToya's stretching things a bit.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I have a hard time accepting JW beliefs when they refuse blood transfusions that can save their lifes.
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I hope it will.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I have a hard time accepting JW beliefs when they refuse blood transfusions that can save their lifes.
I have JW's in my family, and I disagree on almost everything they think, state or do. They raised their children to be robots and the one that couldn't keep up was fisrt abandoned and later brainwashed and taken back in only if he became a JW himself. He never agreed with the beliefs, but was so depressed and broken that all he wanted was for his parents to love him as they loved his siblings. He gave in and isn't half the happy, independent and confident guy he was. He's in his 40's now and will do anything to feel loved by his parents, even if that means he has to become someone he never wanted to become. I know that's just one family picked out of thousands, but it caused why I have negative emotions when I think of the JW belief. Maybe they are the radicals under the JW's, I don't know, but when I think of them and their belief, the word cult is the first that comes to mind.
@purelove: If he knows something we don't and he planned to return in 2012, then I trust his judgement. It's just that my feeling tells me it's too late and he will therefore return sooner. I also think there will be a battle, but that doesn't mean it will be violent in general. he beauty of the power of the people, is that all they have to do is to hold hands, unite and take a stand against the governments and TPTB. Most people have no idea how more powerfull they are than them, if they would only raise their voice as one.
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At some point I think that we will know for sure when BAM will be.
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@purelove: If he knows something we don't and he planned to return in 2012, then I trust his judgement. It's just that my feeling tells me it's too late and he will therefore return sooner. I also think there will be a battle, but that doesn't mean it will be violent in general. he beauty of the power of the people, is that all they have to do is to hold hands, unite and take a stand against the governments and TPTB. Most people have no idea how more powerfull they are than them, if they would only raise their voice as one.
I totally agree with you about returning back sooner would be so much better and 2012 would be too late. And as we are the Army of Love, of course we are going to try to get them with LOVE but I do not believe that they will come to us with LOVE too. Evil is guiding them and it is not going to be easy. We are going to fight for L.O.V.E with the L.O.V.E.
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There are moments about which I think that we are turning in a circle, to where we are going to come with all that, last TS's redirections they have confused me very much
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we're still just a month into the new year and we already have crazy shit happening. all these poor animals dropping dead. it makes me think its from all the chemicals they're releasing in the air. has anyone ever thought about how drugs are tested? on animals first. if these are animals are dying from unnatural causes (which, let's be real, most likely are not) you can only imagine what humans are in for.
i agree with souza. i think 2012 is just too late. the propaganda about the "end of the world" will only increase as the year goes on. they will stir the pot of fear until it boils. they have control with fear. with michael's bam, the fear will diminish, people will be given hope, power. they (hopefully, and with the grace of God) will see the power is in them- the masses- and not the elite who think they've got us hanging by a string.
i have faith in God and in Michael. They both know what's up. i'll still walk through this dark tunnel until i get to the light.
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@purelove: If he knows something we don't and he planned to return in 2012, then I trust his judgement. It's just that my feeling tells me it's too late and he will therefore return sooner. I also think there will be a battle, but that doesn't mean it will be violent in general. he beauty of the power of the people, is that all they have to do is to hold hands, unite and take a stand against the governments and TPTB. Most people have no idea how more powerfull they are than them, if they would only raise their voice as one.
I totally agree with you about returning back sooner would be so much better and 2012 would be too late. And as we are the Army of Love, of course we are going to try to get them with LOVE but I do not believe that they will come to us with LOVE too. Evil is guiding them and it is not going to be easy. We are going to fight for L.O.V.E with the L.O.V.E.
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Americans and to the rest of the World,
DISCLAIMER:
1.) You are being lied to and we are selling ourselves out!!!
2.) Our rights / liberties / Freedom is going away. We are being enslaved.
Intro
Before you read any further, remember something, it doesn’t matter what YOU believe or even what I believe, it matters what the ELITE believe. I will present to you, their belief. Knowledge they have that you too must have. If you have an open mind, you two will have the ALL SEEING EYE. You will truly understand the meaning of “Knowledge is Power”. I believe this information is in a perspective that the majority do not have and I believe it is essential to be educated on in order to better humanity. To know and understand what to do or what NOT to do or allow to happen.
This blog enlightens humanity on the Illuminati (or the elite, who control all governements through "central banks"), their history, beliefs, members, organizations, and activities. It focuses on the New World Order, the 9/11 attacks, Big Brother, and how the political agendas of the elite are fulfilling Bible prophecy.
This is our Wake Up Project -
The deeper one goes down the rabbit hole, the more bizarre the information becomes. When one is new to this path, what appears to be a misunderstanding, an exaggeration, or a lie, often is found to be factual and thoroughly documented by reliable sources. After shifting through the volumes of information to get to the truth and the sources which lead to its discovery, we try to leave the fiction, distortions and lies by the wayside and not be fooled or distracted by them. As the cliché goes, the truth is stranger than fiction.
This elite, who have many puppets within the club who help run the machine, all the governments, etc. They all may SAY they are christian, muslim or mostly JEWS, but in reality, they are Zionist, Luciferian, Satanist, evil, worship & believing in Satan, the devil. The Evil God and not really anything holy from Jesus Christ. They support all the religions, the vatican & pope because they are all really based of Sun Worship, Paganism, Lucifer, Horus, the Sun God Ra and in reality, the true belief is its all a MOCKERY of Jesus Christ. An impersonation. And the greatest trick the devil ever pulled (or desires daily) is/was convincing the world that he doesn't exist!
The Elite's Ultimate Goal:
To remove God from your lives. Remove anything "HOLY" (which is why most individuals & religions have no clue about the holy bible & how this world is shaped around it). Their biggest manipulation is making you believe that God, Satan & evil do not exist. When in reality, it very well does exist! And we all together make it happen.
Remove God from your lives, end all Religions EXCEPT theirs. Conform everyone into their Luciferian Religion, into their beliefs. A One World Religion - One World Government (via the United Nations) - One World Currency - One World Economy - Everyone chipped & controlled!
It is a race between us and the elite. They and this system that we all comply too is our enemy. Who will win? They are constantly on the offense where we must defend, we must stop their evil plans. These people who constantly want to make this world worse, never take a day off and...
"The Only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for Good men do nothing!"
And let me tell you, there is a whole lot of you out there not doing a damn thing. Not talking about (that 500 pound gorilla in the room or elephant), nothing! Too busy watching Palin on Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, mindless Television programs, wasting your hard earned money on sports giving them millions, PORN, etc. Too afraid of not being politically correct?
Stay in line – Obey – Consume – Don’t question a thing. Stick your head in the sand to REALITY, not facing it at all and stick to your FAITH. Your FAITH in a system that feeds you darkness only. Keep believing their lies on TV, obey and do not question a thing, keep believing that it is unpatriotic to question and we will get what we deserve - enslavement.
High level
Look, I am not the smartest person in the world, though I have been privileged (which I don’t even know if I can call it that, I hate this to be honest with you) to come across important information. Before I share anything though I need to level set with one big thing I’ve discovered that I think we can all understand yet are ever real “conscious” of and that is that all human beings can be “programmed” or mind controlled, brainwashed. (Huge Secret: Jesus worked to break this mind control and SET YOU FREE - for the TRUTH will set you free). Basically, your beliefs shape your behavior and your beliefs are HIGHLY influenced by others in society – especially if you NEVER hear the word of God, from the bible. Your beliefs, your personality is always influenced and shaped based off what you experience in life from birth and the information that has been shared with you, information told to you, ordered to you, either by your parents, teachers, politicians or leaders since you’ve been born and this information forms the matrix that everyone calls “reality” for yourself. And what you need to understand is that it’s real easy to manipulate your reality with lies or misinformation with things via television & newspaper, in order to change your reality into an illusion while reality is hidden or not informed or talked about. Even when its not the intent to do so, yet is w/o people realizing it & that is what we ALL must wake up too because even the "elite" may not realize how sinister they are being. With the type of power they have, only YOU can allow them to stear humanity into evil or into peace.
This has happened, there is a huge a problem where the majority of humanity is literally blinded from reality or the truth and what is worse, most of us are complacent with the information told to us & don't question it. You all are in a trance. Brainwashed, mind controlled. A trance that you need to snap out of and WAKE UP. You are asleep to the truth and need to wake up.
I’ll put it bluntly, we do not live in what we think and know as “America”, with freedoms & that everything will always be fine and can only get better. Most Americans live in what I call a "fantasy" world. We’ve lost our freedom and independence this world has ever known and we are literally living or damn near close again to living during the times of when Jesus was executed on the cross within the Roman Empire & their rule. Note: He was executed for his beliefs. Freedom of Consciousness. A revolutionary fighting for humanity and that all men were created EQUAL. American’s & our leaders have turned into Luciferian Roman Catholics & Jews, destroying what Jesus stood for!
Jesus NEVER advocated a Big Church or Religion – more information below on how Jesus and the Bible have nothing to do with Religion and why MOST people have been led astray from the true word of God, to which can only be found by reading or studying the Holy Bible. The most important book ever for at least "educational" purposes and 90% of humanity have never even read it. This is how UNeducated we are. So please keep reading because this whole world falls right in it.
Humanity is asleep (Uneducated) due to two major reasons – we don’t remember our history and have no clue to the contents within the Holy Bible. Nobody reads it.
What we call the elite, is the same elite that first ruled in Egypt( with the Pyramids) who then migrated to Europe to rule the Roman Empire and then resurfaced as the British Empire and then, in 1913 with the passing of the private central bank - the Federal Reserve (unconstitutional), they got their hands on America and turned it into the American (Roman) Empire – all to continue their agenda towards world domination (WW1, WW2, WW3?). The Rockefellers and The Rothschild’s (Jews) have the most power in pushing this agenda, along with the Priesthood, Vatican, Pope, an agenda that doesn’t serve the American people at all. They always fund both sides of the war and reek profits off the interest they loan to those government. The Rothschilds and Rockfellers funded WW2, the NAZIS and the Holocaust.
To continue reading go here: http://truthknowledge.com/ (http://truthknowledge.com/)
It is my belief that at the end of the day we are responsible for ourselves and our own families. We are responsible for our own education or lack of it.
We can talk here on this forum until our fingers fall off from typing but, ultimately whether Michael makes a huge BAM in 2011, 2012 or beyond; the world and our lives continue to go on. The earth does not spin because of Michael. I am grateful for the slap in the face that his "death" created but, I am not dependant on him to come rescue me. :shock: lol
It is up to us to put into ACTION everything we have learned. Walk the talk everyday.
I have peace in my life because I choose to have peace.
It is a choice to have peace or fear. ;)
@Marlon_Jackson Marlon Jackson of J5
its been a great year. thank you all for unconditional love and support for my entire family. 2011 will be peaceful & bring joy to us all
--Hi TS. Your redirect about the best birthday ever has me a little perplexed at the meaning.-- 8-)
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It's not that the world stops spining without him, it's that he can reach the masses, where we can't. They think we are crazy by even thinking he is alive, let alone the rest. He has a huge following and can make a wake-up call to the world in just a few minutes. They rather have MJ broadcasted coming back from the dead, or freako Souza or Imconvinced, if you get what I mean. Many people are discussing stuff like this on the internet on forums, it's just that we can't seem to reach the masses, and he can.
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It's not that the world stops spining without him, it's that he can reach the masses, where we can't. They think we are crazy by even thinking he is alive, let alone the rest. He has a huge following and can make a wake-up call to the world in just a few minutes. They rather have MJ broadcasted coming back from the dead, or freako Souza or Imconvinced, if you get what I mean. Many people are discussing stuff like this on the internet on forums, it's just that we can't seem to reach the masses, and he can.
Right.
On Michael's command we begin. Not before. I guess Tii taught us that.
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1. some believe those 144,000 are jews
2. isn't prince known to be somewhat raunchy , what about him
To say you've become a Jehovah's Witness, can it just mean you believe their take on the Bible, or does it mean that they approved and accepted you into a list of their membership. In that case MJ's elders would have given Prince a tongue-lashing as well.
Does anyone know of MJ's relationship with the JW elders etc. in later years? If he wasn't supposed to speak to LaToya because she wasn't going to church, then what about Katherine, wouldn't they have told her to cut off her whole family except Rebbie? Something inconsistent here. Maybe LaToya's stretching things a bit.
i'm with you on this. ;)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I have a hard time accepting JW beliefs when they refuse blood transfusions that can save their lifes.
I have JW's in my family, and I disagree on almost everything they think, state or do. They raised their children to be robots and the one that couldn't keep up was fisrt abandoned and later brainwashed and taken back in only if he became a JW himself. He never agreed with the beliefs, but was so depressed and broken that all he wanted was for his parents to love him as they loved his siblings. He gave in and isn't half the happy, independent and confident guy he was. He's in his 40's now and will do anything to feel loved by his parents, even if that means he has to become someone he never wanted to become. I know that's just one family picked out of thousands, but it caused why I have negative emotions when I think of the JW belief. Maybe they are the radicals under the JW's, I don't know, but when I think of them and their belief, the word cult is the first that comes to mind.
Every one raising there kids differently. you can't blame the religion for this.
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1. some believe those 144,000 are jews
2. isn't prince known to be somewhat raunchy , what about him
To say you've become a Jehovah's Witness, can it just mean you believe their take on the Bible, or does it mean that they approved and accepted you into a list of their membership. In that case MJ's elders would have given Prince a tongue-lashing as well.
Prince changed his lyrics and lifestyle as far as i know.
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It's not that the world stops spining without him, it's that he can reach the masses, where we can't. They think we are crazy by even thinking he is alive, let alone the rest. He has a huge following and can make a wake-up call to the world in just a few minutes. They rather have MJ broadcasted coming back from the dead, or freako Souza or Imconvinced, if you get what I mean. Many people are discussing stuff like this on the internet on forums, it's just that we can't seem to reach the masses, and he can.
I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I believe that it is a mind set when someone says we can't reach people but he can. I believe that is an excuse to pass the buck and responsibility onto Michael. The world doesn't need to listen to crazy Souza or crazy Im_convincedmjalive... besides that they think Michael is crazy too remember?
My point before was that all it takes is for us in our own lives to be the example of change. To walk the talk everyday and to stop saying it wont change until Michael comes back. I believe we all have the power and ability to make changes right now. It is all in how you set your mind to think. No doubts and no negative thinking.
I believe he already commanded us to act. He did that in TII. Look at his crew/family (including his children) who have went on and done many things since the movie aired. They didn't wait for Michael to reappear they just did.
So we will have different views on this and it is ok.
Peace
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It's not that the world stops spining without him, it's that he can reach the masses, where we can't. They think we are crazy by even thinking he is alive, let alone the rest. He has a huge following and can make a wake-up call to the world in just a few minutes. They rather have MJ broadcasted coming back from the dead, or freako Souza or Imconvinced, if you get what I mean. Many people are discussing stuff like this on the internet on forums, it's just that we can't seem to reach the masses, and he can.
I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I believe that it is a mind set when someone says we can't reach people but he can. I believe that is an excuse to pass the buck and responsibility onto Michael. The world doesn't need to listen to crazy Souza or crazy Im_convincedmjalive... besides that they think Michael is crazy too remember?
My point before was that all it takes is for us in our own lives to be the example of change. To walk the talk everyday and to stop saying it wont change until Michael comes back. I believe we all have the power and ability to make changes right now. It is all in how you set your mind to think. No doubts and no negative thinking.
I believe he already commanded us to act. He did that in TII. Look at his crew/family (including his children) who have went on and done many things since the movie aired. They didn't wait for Michael to reappear they just did.
So we will have different views on this and it is ok.
Peace
Oh I do think we can do it ourselves, don't get me wrong, but it will take so much longer. We are already doing our parts, at least I know that I am. I discuss this all with everyone and many see the problem. What they don't see is that they need to change themselves to make it right. I have gone through a process these past 19 months and therefore I get it. They get the shortest recap only, and will have to start from there to follow the same path, and to awaken others. That is what I mean with reaching the masses. Maybe many think Mike is crazy too, but many, many people know he is not. I don't have that many fans, don't know about you? I hope I make sense, because I am very tired. Otherwise I will try again tomorrow LOL.
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What they don't see is that they need to change themselves to make it right. I have gone through a process these past 19 months and therefore I get it. They get the shortest recap only, and will have to start from there to follow the same path, and to awaken others.
I do get what your saying Souza and the people who listen to you talk yet don't respond by getting informed are the ones who will fall to the wayside. It isn't my responsibility nor yours to make anyone change if they don't want to. You gave them the seed and pointed them in the right direction (that is all you can do and all that should be expected) after that it is on them.
Unfortunately we will see many suffer; if they would of took your advice seriously they would be able to avoid the battle that is to come.
Peace
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1. some believe those 144,000 are jews
2. isn't prince known to be somewhat raunchy , what about him
To say you've become a Jehovah's Witness, can it just mean you believe their take on the Bible, or does it mean that they approved and accepted you into a list of their membership. In that case MJ's elders would have given Prince a tongue-lashing as well.
Prince changed his lyrics and lifestyle as far as i know.
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yeah i saw that on site had something about it that someone posted here. prince wasn't jw in his early days. i found that since i posted this.
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You know...we all have our own interpretation of the Bible, and religion or not even a religion. I don't think we are here to condemn any religion or belief. Michael was whatever religion he was for whatever reasons he believed in. Who are we to judge his heart and beliefs or not even belief? Who are we to say which view amongst us is right or wrong?
I can give you my opinion, but then be ostracized for my opinion. So can you. Theology is a touchy subject to get into in this forum. Really anyplace, as it's based on particular heart felt individual faith. No one can say where it's from or which is correct. But, it is one that is probably the most argued since creation...if you believe in that.
I can only say that which I believe and how it relates to Michael, as can all of us as we don't have him here to tell us, just like everything we speculate on here and hope to prove correct. I can find articles on the internet where people say this and that, and again it's who do you believe?
I know what I believe and don't want to be judged for it. Just as I won't judge you. Just as I won't judge Michael or Prince. I do know that Michael began most of what is happening to him and his suggestive moves after leaving his religion and Prince did most of his prior to joining his. (and tried to clean his up since). I think that religion grounds us and gives boundaries, for good or for bad that it is. And after leaving his religion, Michael had tremendous downfalls.
JUST MY OPINIONS...
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You know...we all have our own interpretation of the Bible, and religion or not even a religion. I don't think we are here to condemn any religion or belief. Michael was whatever religion he was for whatever reasons he believed in. Who are we to judge his heart and beliefs or not even belief? Who are we to say which view amongst us is right or wrong?
I can give you my opinion, but then be ostracized for my opinion. So can you. Theology is a touchy subject to get into in this forum. Really anyplace, as it's based on particular heart felt individual faith. No one can say where it's from or which is correct. But, it is one that is probably the most argued since creation...if you believe in that.
I can only say that which I believe and how it relates to Michael, as can all of us as we don't have him here to tell us, just like everything we speculate on here and hope to prove correct. I can find articles on the internet where people say this and that, and again it's who do you believe?
I know what I believe and don't want to be judged for it. Just as I won't judge you. Just as I won't judge Michael or Prince. I do know that Michael began most of what is happening to him and his suggestive moves after leaving his religion and Prince did most of his prior to joining his. (and tried to clean his up since). I think that religion grounds us and gives boundaries, for good or for bad that it is. And after leaving his religion, Michael had tremendous downfalls.
JUST MY OPINIONS...
Belief and religion are 2 different things. I think everyone believes or wants to believe and in the end everyone wants the same; love, peace and freedom in a healthy world. It's some religions that make that impossible in my opinion.
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Souza...religion and belief ARE different things. I think that Michael may have decided that he can have belief without religion. Agreed :)
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I read sometimes Watch Tower or how it is called and I think the JW think that God will give people a new earth so maybe his sister was reffering to this.
I being raised as a JW, and it's treu what you said, i want to add that there's gonna be a new heaven also to for the 144.000 Latoya has ones pointed to that in a intervieuw.
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I want to understand more about the 144,000. Reading the following was very helpful.
The full study of Chapter 11 can be found here:http://www.wake-up.org/Revelation/Rev144.htm
Why does God choose 144,000 people and ignore the religion systems of the world?
This is a good question. Why does God "leapfrog" over the great religious organizations that exist during the end time to use a diverse group of 144,000 people to preach the gospel? If we consider the vast resources that some religious organizations have, it would seem foolish to ignore these agencies during the end time! But, here are six reasons why God cannot use them:
1. The glory of doing the impossible, proclaiming the gospel to the whole world in 1,260 days belongs to God, not man.
2. The seven religious systems of the world are corrupt. They cannot and do not speak for God. They can neither correctly explain the everlasting gospel, nor can they properly explain the plans and purposes of God for the Great Tribulation.
3. Most people agree that God does not save people because of church affiliation. Salvation is not gained through membership in an organization. In fact, if God was going to use a religious organization to proclaim the everlasting gospel during the end time, church affiliation would prove to be an insurmountable problem. Consider the human trait called prejudice. You and I both know that some people would rather die and go to hell than to join another church or even worse, join the church of someone who has offended them. For example, let us suppose that God looked down on Earth and declared a particular sect within the Moslem faith to have the truth for the end time. How many Catholics, Jews and Protestants do you think would join with Moslems in order to be saved? Now turn the table around and ask yourself, how many Catholics, Jews, Protestants and Moslems would join your church?
4. God will not save a person because his biological great-grandfather was Abraham, Job or Daniel. The Lord has made it very clear in the book of Ezekiel that a person’s ancestry has nothing to do with their salvation! (Ezekiel 14:18; 18:4-28; Matthew 3:9) God has no grandchildren. Every child of God has to be born again.
5. A major obstacle that prevents God from using established religions during the end time is that one man cannot prove the superiority of his religion over that of another. If history proves anything, this point is proven true beyond question. Do you think that Elijah could have proven that his God was greater than the god of Baal if God had not sent fire from Heaven? Because religion is inherently arrogant and egocentric, one religious group cannot prove its superiority over another religious group.
6. God knows that religion has far more to do with social structure than with a personal love for truth. (It is said that 95% of the people remain loyal to the religious system into which they were born and raised – even if they do not practice the religion.)
Because the properties of religion are very strong within the human race, because social relationships can be more important than commitment to truth, and because there is a distinction between serving God and serving the church, God will destroy the great religions of the world and test mankind to see if we love Him and His truth above everything else.
:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: The test will be simple and will be applied without partiality. God will require everyone to leave his or her church for the sake of truth! The object of our deepest affection will then be revealed. At that time, some people will discover they loved their church more than they loved God! When a contest exists between "God’s truth" and "God’s church," then, and only then, can humans detect the distinction that exists between serving God and serving the church. Until this test of loyalty is applied, most people cannot understand the problem. Remember, in Jesus’ day, the Pharisees could not figure out how they could be as blind as Jesus claimed! The same is true today. A time is coming when God’s truth will conflict with the teachings of every church, and everyone will have to make tough choices. We will see that many people cannot separate themselves from their church, even when presented with the plainest evidences of truth.
To help us make up our minds, God will allow the devil to appear on Earth. The devil (the Antichrist) will dissolve all the religions of the world and forcibly create a new global church. This event in itself will help motivate those people who could not leave their church for truth’s sake. On the other hand, people who are cowardly will prostitute their faith and join the newly created church because the devil will establish stringent laws so that everyone who refuses to join his church will be put to death. It is interesting to note in this context that God considers cowardice as great a sin as murder and sexual immorality. "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars – their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
Before leaving this question, one more comment should be made. Why does God use such a tiny number of people to proclaim the everlasting gospel during the end time? Given the fact that nearly six billion people now live on Earth, it seems that the work would be much easier if He chose one million or ten million people to accomplish his task. In human terms, the 144,000, like Gideon’s army, are too few to accomplish the task. By choosing such a tiny number, God will again demonstrate that He is not dependent on flesh to accomplish His purposes. ". . . ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty." (Zechariah 4:6) Even the stones could cry out if necessary. (Luke 19:40)
Do you think the twelve stars in the woman’s crown represents the twelve tribes?
Yes! In Revelation 12, the story of the true church (represented by a righteous woman who is pregnant) and a great red dragon is told. The woman wears a crown of twelve stars on her head. From the Greek language, we learn that these stars are set in a stephanos, that is, a crown of victory. According to Revelation 1:20, stars can symbolize messengers or angels and by applying the words of
Daniel 12:3 to the woman’s crown of twelve stars we find a very beautiful fit. "Those who are wise (or teachers) will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness like the stars for ever and ever." In other words, the woman wears a crown of victory. This crown is set with twelve stars. The twelve stars represent the 144,000 – firstfruits of the twelve tribes – who will be victorious over the Antichrist.
How will the 144,000 be notified?
I presume the 144,000 will be notified just like all of the prophets in the Bible were notified. About the only thing the 144,000 have in common is their encounter with Jesus! Consider this parallel. In Revelation 10, John was given an open book and told to eat it. The book was sweet in his mouth and bitter in his stomach. Then, John was told to prophesy again before kings, nations, etc. Within the context of Revelation 10, John’s experience represents that of the 144,000. The book represents God’s words which He will give to the 144,000 to proclaim throughout the Earth. He will give the 144,000 words to speak, otherwise, they would not know what to say. (Matthew 10:19) The final proclamation of the gospel will not be a matter of human ability. God will give the words that He wants spoken to the 144,000 and the Holy Spirit will provide the power. (Matthew 10:19)
Consider Ezekiel 2:8-3:4. Like John, God gave Ezekiel a book to eat that was sweet in his mouth and bitter in his stomach. The book Ezekiel received contained the words that God wanted spoken. Ezekiel was told to speak these words to his people, whether they listen or not. This is the bitter part in the stomach. Ezekiel had to speak the words of God and this created a lot of ridicule and offense. (This explains why the life span of prophets is usually short.) Of course, the enabling power within Ezekiel was the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit enabled Ezekiel to say (and do) things that were beyond mere human capability. Ezekiel and John were both called to be prophets and they were given words to speak. This will be the experience of the 144,000.
How will the 144,000 be recognized?
:arrow: :arrow: The 144,000 will be recognized by three means: First, their message will be Bible based. The 144,000 will proclaim the everlasting gospel from the Bible, and as a result, they will find themselves standing in opposition to religious leaders of their day. Second, the 144,000 will be recognized by their humility, simplicity and authority. Remember John the Baptist with his humble dress? (Luke 7:25) People went out to the Jordan River to hear John the Baptist because he spoke with power and authority that came from Heaven! (Luke 7:24-26) People marveled at Jesus because of the authority with which He spoke. (Mark 1:22) Last, the 144,000 will be recognized as "prophets" because they will have the ability to perform signs and miracles. Of course, the servants of the devil will be doing miracles, too. (Exodus 8:18; Matthew 7:20-22)
During the Great Tribulation, many people will put their faith in counterfeit "miracles" because they do not want to submit to the "faith testing" terms and conditions of salvation. If a false prophet can perform a counterfeit miracle on demand (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12), many people will use the "sign" to justify rebellion against God. (Matthew 16:4) On the other hand, if the Holy Spirit knows that a miracle will help an honest person make a decision for truth, then a miracle will be given. Many miracles will occur and they will force people to take sides. This, of course, is how the sheep are separated from the goats.
How soon do you expect to see the 144,000?
I believe the great earthquake and the empowerment of the 144,000 could occur any day now. The 144,000 will not show up on TV. They will not receive a round of applause or some glittering reward. However, when they show up you will know that Jesus has taken control of Earth and the final 1,335 days (of Earth) have begun. The 144,000 will not ride in limousines or have world fame. Paul wrote, "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." (1 Corinthians 1:27)
Will the 144,000 come from one church group?
:idea: :idea: :idea: No. God has people in every religious body whose hearts are right, but whose heads are wrong. (John 10:16; Romans 2:14-16) When Jesus knocked Saul off his donkey in Acts 9, Jesus knew that Saul had a good heart, but his head was terribly messed up by his religion. Consider the fact that Saul was persecuting the saints when Jesus called him to take the gospel to the Gentiles. My point is that, like Saul, the 144,000 will come from all religions. Many people have good hearts toward God, and after they encounter Jesus and receive the words that He wants them to speak, they will be transformed, just as Saul became Paul!
The net effect is simple. God wants to save as many people as possible. Therefore, God will have Moslem believers talking to their Moslem brothers; Catholic believers will be talking to their Catholic brothers; Hindu believers will be talking to their Hindu brothers, etc. Who is better at proclaiming the gospel of Christ than those who know and understand the obstacles that face their brothers? Do you really think a Moslem would listen to a Protestant? Do you think a Jew would listen to a Baptist? Of course not! The 144,000 will come from every nation, religion, language and tribe and after their encounter with Jesus, they will receive the script and speak His words to their brothers, just like Saul did! This will ultimately produce what Jesus wants, a numberless multitude of saints who come from every nation, kindred, tongue and people!
Will the 144,000 know each other?
Probably not. The important thing is that no one will be able to say that their message was contrived by man. In other words, what is the possibility that a mere 144,000 people who are spread out over the face of Earth, speaking different languages, belonging to antagonistic religions, and not knowing one another, preach the same message with amazing authority? The chance is zero! This miracle will provide profound proof that their work and calling is divinely ordained. This simple miracle will also confound and offend the religious leaders of Earth.
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Again, all of that is based upon someone's research and interpretation of scriptures. We can all bring up individual scriptures and place them here and there to get what we believe. That is why there are so many "religions". That comment above is about as far from what I've learned and researched as is any other. But, that is what individual faith is about. This is all about Michael and I think that he had a lot of personal issues in regards to his spirituality, and from numerous articles I've read, it continued up to his disappearance..(death lol). It does us no good to try to guess his heart, nor to give our own opinion on religious beliefs as I could write books upon my beliefs as well as every one else and who is to say definitively which is correct and should be THE one to believe. Just my opinion. LOVE
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The test will be simple and will be applied without partiality. God will require everyone to leave his or her church for the sake of truth! The object of our deepest affection will then be revealed. At that time, some people will discover they loved their church more than they loved God! When a contest exists between "God’s truth" and "God’s church," then, and only then, can humans detect the distinction that exists between serving God and serving the church. Until this test of loyalty is applied, most people cannot understand the problem. Remember, in Jesus’ day, the Pharisees could not figure out how they could be as blind as Jesus claimed! The same is true today. A time is coming when God’s truth will conflict with the teachings of every church, and everyone will have to make tough choices. We will see that many people cannot separate themselves from their church, even when presented with the plainest evidences of truth.
This is absolutely the truth, many people who serve God or the church