Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The O2 Press Conference => Topic started by: AGA on January 20, 2011, 04:23:55 AM
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They are one and the same. Age, make-up, lighting, angles, acting. I'm 100% sure.
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I think the O2 dude on top (with Tohme in the bus) is Mike himself IMO. There were 2 different MJ's there, this one seems to be the real deal. The one on stage at the other hand is someone else.
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with the surgeries, make up, implants,....who knows any longer? :x I can´t even define the skull any more :x
Michael is the guy on the right.
The O2 guy on those pics looks shopped. But his pinky finger looks as Michaels.
Back to point 0 :evil:
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The one on the left looks like he could be a double because of the differences in the features (which to me are startling).
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Just to point out,Michael was in London for the 02 conference,he just never went on the stage.
He was pictured by the media arriving at the airport,at the hotel, leaving the hotel,arriving back at the hotel,going to a show..but what happened in between is not Michael.
I think that is exactly what he was there for...to be seen so no one questioned it...and to oversee the start of his production obviously ;)
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Just to point out,Michael was in London for the 02 conference,he just never went on the stage.
He was pictured by the media arriving at the airport,at the hotel, leaving the hotel,arriving back at the hotel,going to a show..but what happened in between is not Michael.
I think that is exactly what he was there for...to be seen so no one questioned it...and to oversee the start of his production obviously ;)
True, because there are pictures of the real deal too. That made me sure O2 dude is not Mike, because he looks NOTHING like the one photographed just a day later. Behaviour can be faked, voice can be altered, but your smile doesn't change overnight. The weird, sharp smile is the main thing that gave O2 dude away. Plus the fact that his upper body is too long and his legs too short, plus all the other stuff I won't bring up anymore :lol:
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Just to point out,Michael was in London for the 02 conference,he just never went on the stage.
He was pictured by the media arriving at the airport,at the hotel, leaving the hotel,arriving back at the hotel,going to a show..but what happened in between is not Michael.
I think that is exactly what he was there for...to be seen so no one questioned it...and to oversee the start of his production obviously ;)
True, because there are pictures of the real deal too. That made me sure O2 dude is not Mike, because he looks NOTHING like the one photographed just a day later. Behaviour can be faked, voice can be altered, but your smile doesn't change overnight. The weird, sharp smile is the main thing that gave O2 dude away. Plus the fact that his upper body is too long and his legs too short, plus all the other stuff I won't bring up anymore :lol:
agreed 100%, poor guy, he tried so hard :lol:
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He really made those three words his own work
*Walks on stage*
THIS IS IT
THIS IS IT
THIS
IS
IT
THIS IS IT!
*walks off stage*
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I totally agree that there is definitely 2 different MJ's that day... How can you not notice such a drastic difference like this.
His smile is sooooooo much longer and more pronounced. Even the noses are completely different, and the skin is totally the wrong colour without a doubt. Even the lighting wouldnt and couldn't change that. It wasn't unusual for MJ to use decoys.
This was one of his first official appearances since the accusations of 2005. He may of been afraid of something going wrong, and decided to use the double for the announcement onlt for safety reasons. Did you notice there were no bodyguards standing next to him??? Did they check everyone in the audience for weapons beforehand????? Probably not, and if MJ feared for his life, he may have had no other choice but to have a stand in........this is of course just my honest opinion, but I wasn't an obsessed fan, and I don't believe he wanted to deceive his fans, but more than likely, needed to play it safe.
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I totally agree that there is definitely 2 different MJ's that day... How can you not notice such a drastic difference like this.
His smile is sooooooo much longer and more pronounced. Even the noses are completely different, and the skin is totally the wrong colour without a doubt. Even the lighting wouldnt and couldn't change that. It wasn't unusual for MJ to use decoys.
This was one of his first official appearances since the accusations of 2005. He may of been afraid of something going wrong, and decided to use the double for the announcement onlt for safety reasons. Did you notice there were no bodyguards standing next to him??? Did they check everyone in the audience for weapons beforehand????? Probably not, and if MJ feared for his life, he may have had no other choice but to have a stand in........this is of course just my honest opinion, but I wasn't an obsessed fan, and I don't believe he wanted to deceive his fans, but more than likely, needed to play it safe.
Sorry, but I can't believe that if MJ feared for his life, he'd put a stand-in to take the bullets or whatever for him.
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Please, check from 0:55
Michael falls down or hides or he has been injured. Tohmé also bends down to assist Michael.
[youtube:6h2nht61]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdzCd_Pc17Y&feature=related[/youtube:6h2nht61]
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I believe that the man of O2 is not Michael, gestures, gait overacted, not that this double will behave this way
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At the O2 is definitely not Michael.I agree with so many explanations from all of you.That guy looks weird, his walk, he's speech is just wrong, really.Keep saying This is it over and over again like there was nothing more to say.
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What if he got bored of being mobbed all the time by screaming fans? This is it. Well, yes!
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What if he got bored of being mobbed all the time by screaming fans? This is it. Well, yes!
I think he was directing the whole circus and I do think there were bodyguards. If not, the whole thing is staged.
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anyone know what went on right afterwards? it almost looked like they made a last minute decision that the situation was too out of control for him to get off the bus. jmo
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You can see the difference in the bodies too unless Michael did get terribly thin!!! Which says to me, how'd he pass that physical exam??
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The physical exam should be the AR ;)
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You can see the difference in the bodies too unless Michael did get terribly thin!!! Which says to me, how'd he pass that physical exam??
I agree, that red pants guy's legs are really too thin. The shape of the legs is also totally wrong. He was heavier during the history tour, but he was pretty thin during the BAD tour, but still well-shaped. I don't see that changing that much. And other MJ's have thicker legs in TII, so it's safe to asume that this is a double. Isn't it that Japanese dude on TMZ? He has pretty thin legs by the look of it.
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DON'T GET ME STARTED ON DOUBLES FROM TII!!!!!!!
That's gonna be book 2..hahahaha
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the color of the makeup has always bothered me. especially when it seems like in tii he doesn't seem to be using much.
i have a little side note question? anyone know if it customary for certain types of doctors to share facilities if their practices might kind of compliment each other.
the reason i ask is because last week when my husband had one of his visits to the oncologist there apparently is another office in with them that does the injectables like arnie cline. i just thought it was interesting. could just be me being weird . i only saw the pamphlet for the injectables but i wonder if possibly they would also do reconstructive types of things for cancer patients.
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me an my mom also throught that the 02 guy wasnt michael at all
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the color of the makeup has always bothered me. especially when it seems like in tii he doesn't seem to be using much.
i have a little side note question? anyone know if it customary for certain types of doctors to share facilities if their practices might kind of compliment each other.
the reason i ask is because last week when my husband had one of his visits to the oncologist there apparently is another office in with them that does the injectables like arnie cline. i just thought it was interesting. could just be me being weird . i only saw the pamphlet for the injectables but i wonder if possibly they would also do reconstructive types of things for cancer patients.
I read that Botox could be a therapy for cancer patients. I found it on some Dutch medical sites, I will see if I can find it.
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the color of the makeup has always bothered me. especially when it seems like in tii he doesn't seem to be using much.
i have a little side note question? anyone know if it customary for certain types of doctors to share facilities if their practices might kind of compliment each other.
the reason i ask is because last week when my husband had one of his visits to the oncologist there apparently is another office in with them that does the injectables like arnie cline. i just thought it was interesting. could just be me being weird . i only saw the pamphlet for the injectables but i wonder if possibly they would also do reconstructive types of things for cancer patients.
I read that Botox could be a therapy for cancer patients. I found it on some Dutch medical sites, I will see if I can find it.
yes, this is correct, there have been some studies I think back couple of years ago to use botox as sort of pre-treamtment before other treatments like chemotherapy or radiation.
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
I think Teddy wears glasses...maybe he needs to have them adjusted.. :ugeek:
Until then... 8-)
I know for a fact that camera angles, lighting, clothing, makeup etc all affect they way a person photographs. I see lots of illusion, smoke & mirrors in TII, but I think its all MJ, after all he is the Magician.
Tell me why MJ would send doubles to do what he loves and knows how to do the best.
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
can't say i feel all that warm and fuzzy about teddy either. don't know exactly what it is.
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
I think Teddy wears glasses...maybe he needs to have them adjusted.. :ugeek:
Until then... 8-)
I know for a fact that camera angles, lighting, clothing, makeup etc all affect they way a person photographs. I see lots of illusion, smoke & mirrors in TII, but I think its all MJ, after all he is the Magician.
Tell me why MJ would send doubles to do what he loves and knows how to do the best.
To make a point. To show that your eyes can fool you and that if you are being told that it's MJ on stage, you automatically assume that it's true. We did get a hint to look deeper into it and pay attention because Joe hinted at the doubles, but I think he knew most fans wouldn't pay attention to Joe at all. There is too much difference in weight, bodyshape, faces and movements to be all MJ. No one can change that much in days, not even Michael Jackson.
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
can't say i feel all that warm and fuzzy about teddy either. don't know exactly what it is.
Its not if I feel warm & fuzzy about teddy. 8-)
However, I have to admit I'm partial to his Rosary prayer beads he wears becuz it represents a person of either deep spiritual or religious belief, which is a positive thing in my eye.
Anyways ;)
Its about Teddy & Michael's professional & personal relationship that they have had for many, many years. And becuz of their relationship, I have to believe, the past, this day & beyond, Teddy has Michaels best interest at heart.
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
I think Teddy wears glasses...maybe he needs to have them adjusted.. :ugeek:
Until then... 8-)
I know for a fact that camera angles, lighting, clothing, makeup etc all affect they way a person photographs. I see lots of illusion, smoke & mirrors in TII, but I think its all MJ, after all he is the Magician.
Tell me why MJ would send doubles to do what he loves and knows how to do the best.
To make a point. To show that your eyes can fool you and that if you are being told that it's MJ on stage, you automatically assume that it's true. We did get a hint to look deeper into it and pay attention because Joe hinted at the doubles, but I think he knew most fans wouldn't pay attention to Joe at all. There is too much difference in weight, bodyshape, faces and movements to be all MJ. No one can change that much in days, not even Michael Jackson.
Where are these doubles now??
I've seen picture of MJ impersonator/double dressed like TII orange pants guy, but he doesnt look like MJ...he just looks like an impersonator dressed like TII orange pants guy.
As far as Joe goes...I take what Joe says with a grain of salt. However I think what Joe says & does is the opposite of the way things really are. i.e. Joe is meant to be a distraction from the truth.
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I have to admit when I was watching to 02 announcement on the news ...I blurted out to my daughter "that is NOT Michael Jackson"!
But now ??? The body and gait still does not seem right...as far as the face goes.
Well....we had not seen him for a long time in public...he had aged somewhat
and the biggie with me is...he was having injections done on his nose and face
which explains a lot to me.
Watching the youtube Vid of the 02 announcement again...he still seemed off...
but it could have been jet lag, some anxiety meds....after all he had to be scared to death.
I'm still not sure what to think...but when he announced his concerts and said "This is really IT''...then stepped to the side of the stage and did his happy dance ..considering all of the back story leading up to that...I think it could have been Michael.
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I used to think O2 Michael was a double, but now i think it's him. He likes "controversy" right? He wanted people to have this discussion for years to come right?
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
I think Teddy wears glasses...maybe he needs to have them adjusted.. :ugeek:
Until then... 8-)
I know for a fact that camera angles, lighting, clothing, makeup etc all affect they way a person photographs. I see lots of illusion, smoke & mirrors in TII, but I think its all MJ, after all he is the Magician.
Tell me why MJ would send doubles to do what he loves and knows how to do the best.
To make a point. To show that your eyes can fool you and that if you are being told that it's MJ on stage, you automatically assume that it's true. We did get a hint to look deeper into it and pay attention because Joe hinted at the doubles, but I think he knew most fans wouldn't pay attention to Joe at all. There is too much difference in weight, bodyshape, faces and movements to be all MJ. No one can change that much in days, not even Michael Jackson.
Where are these doubles now??
I've seen picture of MJ impersonator/double dressed like TII orange pants guy, but he doesnt look like MJ...he just looks like an impersonator dressed like TII orange pants guy.
As far as Joe goes...I take what Joe says with a grain of salt. However I think what Joe says & does is the opposite of the way things really are. i.e. Joe is meant to be a distraction from the truth.
good point . this person seemed to be built like michael say in the we are the world thing from when was that ? are any of the impersonators that small?
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Teddy Riley says it was ALL Michael in TII. Teddy would know & speak the truth and have no reason to lie.
Unless Michael Jackson says differently, It would be too presumptuous of me to think it was someone else other then MJ at O2.
Maybe Teddy needs glasses... :geek:
I think Teddy wears glasses...maybe he needs to have them adjusted.. :ugeek:
Until then... 8-)
I know for a fact that camera angles, lighting, clothing, makeup etc all affect they way a person photographs. I see lots of illusion, smoke & mirrors in TII, but I think its all MJ, after all he is the Magician.
Tell me why MJ would send doubles to do what he loves and knows how to do the best.
To make a point. To show that your eyes can fool you and that if you are being told that it's MJ on stage, you automatically assume that it's true. We did get a hint to look deeper into it and pay attention because Joe hinted at the doubles, but I think he knew most fans wouldn't pay attention to Joe at all. There is too much difference in weight, bodyshape, faces and movements to be all MJ. No one can change that much in days, not even Michael Jackson.
Where are these doubles now??
Just living their lives I guess. We have a TV program here in Holland where people are being impersonated by a TV couple, Carlo and Irene. This is how Carlo normally looks like:
(http://www.boek-entertainment.nl/media/1233_carlo_boszhard_1.jpg)
This is Carlo as Rene Froger:
(http://muziek-nieuws.nl/images/tv-kantine-holland-is.jpg)
This is Rene Froger:
(http://jaapreedijk.web-log.nl/jaapreedijk/images/_mg_77101zw_renefroger_foto_jaap_reedijk.jpg)
This is how Irene normally looks like:
(http://static.clubs.nl/c/d6259edef09743331aafcaf04b81ecff089cbe62.jpg)
This is Irene as Gerda Smit:
(http://estb.msn.com/i/CF/21BEA68A452D185C83588CF7DF12.jpg)
This is Gerda Smit:
(http://www.hpdetijd.nl/images/2009-07/0716_gerda_copy1.jpg)
The guy next to Irene as Gerda Smit is again Carlo, as Rene van der Gijp. This is Rene van der Gijp:
(http://www.webbswereld.nl/Pics/rene%20van%20der%20gijp.jpg)
And here a YouTube where they do Married with Children:
[youtube:2rlh2tun]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg9QwMLlTw4[/youtube:2rlh2tun]
Prostetic Make-up can change a person a lot, and if you have the right shape of head, you can come pretty close to the person you are impersonating. For this program they have to do several impersonations per episode and it is impossible to look like all the charachters, because they simply can't change their own shape of face, but they do come very close at times.
Here is another example of prostetic make-up which I posted a while ago:
There is still much discussion about disguises and whether or not it would be possible for MJ to walk the streets without his fans recognizing him. I watched a show we have here in Holland yesterday and I wanted to share it with you, to show you how much can be done with make-up, and this is low-budget when you compare it to what Mike is able to do.
Below is a picture of Wendy van Dijk, and Wendy van Dijk again, in prostetic make-up. She fools Dutch celebs with her disguises, and in the video below she fools Marco Borsato, who is a very good personal friend of her, yet he is face to face with her and doesn't recognize her. If he doesn't recognize one of his dearest friends, I am sure fans wouldn't recognize Mike, not even if he were face to face with them.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/wendy.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/loesie.jpg)
[youtube:2rlh2tun]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4IA1TwOl3M[/youtube:2rlh2tun]
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=15366&p=256941#p256941 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=15366&p=256941#p256941)
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This has created war of words in the past...and you dare go there :)
Yep...Michael definitely on the right. One, maybe two of the real MJ on the left....but there are fakes mixed in as the others are saying.
It's been documented that Navi was at the 02 that day - however, I don't think that was him on stage. I'm not sure who that was...
It's also been documented that fans swarmed one of the impersonators at the 02 thinking it was Michael - but it wasn't.
[youtube:3ml9a9ax]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mTtuaaP0M[/youtube:3ml9a9ax]
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about decoys...
[youtube:9pt4ms2o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSTg9rMrfI&NR=1[/youtube:9pt4ms2o]
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But Navi doesn't look like MJ at all really. lol
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It's been documented that Navi was at the 02 that day - however, I don't think that was him on stage. I'm not sure who that was...
Yes, Navi was at the O2, but why? Can it be that the guy in London, and TII was M. Kiss?
Looks at the distance of the glasses to the eyebrows, they are same, of TII and O2
pictures.
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2648/tiidouble.jpg)
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I know we all study and see different things in Michael's pictures. Like both sides of a family seeing "their" side in a baby. But, let me say this..if that was Michael entirely at TII and the announcement, then he was terribly sick. Something happened to not only his body, being thin, the height differences, but to his facial structure. The area between his top lip and nose is much more pronounced. When he was young, he almost had a slight over/under (?)) bite. Very cute...but maybe he wanted that corrected, or maybe he was matching the decoy, or maybe it is actually the double. That is prob. the reason for the mask, though, all the matching surgeries. But, also, this upper lip area, I've seen this with dental surgery. When you get dentures the bone slowly goes away and they have to build that area back up with dentures. They fill the face back out from bone loss because of no teeth. You can usually tell, if you look, someone wearing dentures because of this...or the need for it. Also, again...Michael must have lost all the fatty pads in his face. Had them removed or something. His entire jawline and chin, that we know is surgical, is different. I know, as I've had WLS, that when you loose an extreme amount of weight very fast, you loose all the fat in your body. You are left with skin and bones. It happened to me. I was just like "Michael"...skeletal. Bones over skin. That is from severe weightloss... OR...sickness. Again, we know Michael wasn't sick, as he passed that physical and we know a lot of the dancing, etc. was him, and honest, at 50, I'm thinking even Michael Jackson would've had to be very healthy to have done that. Also, he (was it even him doing this?) was training with Lou Ferrigno. So, yep healthy. This leads me to believe that it was the double, SICK with the thinness, the skeletal face, ultimately, the autopsy that didn't match Michael AT ALL. I wish I could that the pics and place them over each other and compare. Compare bone structure and TEETH, as they look different too. Flatter in the front occasionally. Also, I've found a pic of Michael with a large "mole" at the back of his neck, a sorta recent one. Anyone know about that???
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But Navi doesn't look like MJ at all really. lol
I agree with you, Navi, Michael Kiss, Riley, even E'Cas & the list goes on...In my eye they dont look like MJ. Maybe from a distance & dim lighting..but they always appear off to me. I can spot them. Dont get me wrong, my hat goes off to these guys becuz I know they work hard at what they do.
Its a known fact MJ lost weight in rehearsal...most people would, so seeing him thinner in different scenes makes sense, since the movie is all spliced together. MJs not a spring chicken, hes not old by any means, as I'm older then him & I see myself young. I'm just saying as we age our bodies shift...so what we see is a young senior citizen MJ.
Were there doubles in TII? :roll:
I'm certain there was stunt double. As far as other doubles... :roll:
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The only time I believe I see Michael in TII is when the dancers are auditioning and he's there with his glasses on clapping away and then performing in gold pants,a fedora+glasses.
He is the only one who has no close ups,is featured least through the entire thing,sounds stupid but has his trousers MJ length and I can't really put in to words what I see but I see Michael.When he throws his jacket off his shoulders,moves-it's natural and flows.
No clue who anyone else is,to me,the MJ on stage in grey and red doing TDCAU looks like Michael YEARS ago and the one in the orange trousers....well....I'd like to meet him to inform him he needs dance lessons and needs to eat a few happy meals.
I am seriously trying to refrain from getting into this conversation because it enrages me LOL.
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I am seriously trying to refrain from getting into this conversation because it enrages me LOL.
Simmer down now...
Anger will accomplish nothing but it will give you a cancer and other diseases.
Roll with it....Everyone has an opinion mon'.
:mrgreen:
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what about the stunt double :?
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what about the stunt double :?
At :37 you see stunt double & Michael in the same frame.[youtube:3w16fv00]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9moaU4gEY[/youtube:3w16fv00]
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The only time I believe I see Michael in TII is when the dancers are auditioning and he's there with his glasses on clapping away and then performing in gold pants,a fedora+glasses.
He is the only one who has no close ups,is featured least through the entire thing,sounds stupid but has his trousers MJ length and I can't really put in to words what I see but I see Michael.When he throws his jacket off his shoulders,moves-it's natural and flows.
No clue who anyone else is,to me,the MJ on stage in grey and red doing TDCAU looks like Michael YEARS ago and the one in the orange trousers....well....I'd like to meet him to inform him he needs dance lessons and needs to eat a few happy meals.
I am seriously trying to refrain from getting into this conversation because it enrages me LOL.
That's an interesting take on it. I don't disagree. The more time passes, the less I have a firm stance on who's the real MJ and who's a double, and not just in TII either. So for me it's becoming less of Discovering the Man I Never Knew, and more Discovering that I Never Knew the Man.
Who really is Michael Jackson? I have no bloody idea anymore.
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At :37 you see stunt double & Michael in the same frame.
He used one in Remember The Time Too.
There is no doubt he did use them.
Who really is Michael Jackson? I have no bloody idea anymore.
I think that was the plan. lol
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For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
[youtube:1ia1jx9g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:1ia1jx9g]
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For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
[youtube:2b8f02mp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:2b8f02mp]
I believe that only time we see MJ appear in the Bashir documentary is in the last 15 minutes. That is the MJ with the wineshirt! That is the reason why he put 7 light on him.
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For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
That was my ever first clue to doubt about MJ "personas". At first I thought he had DID, then I thought it was a double, then I thought he got botox here and there, still I have no idea, but those "Michaels" are different imo.
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The whole Bashir interview distubs me, it's very hard to watch
@Bec Well exactly....
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For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
[youtube:2eutvjdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:2eutvjdd]
I agree MJonmind. This is usually sidepassed, but there is something really strange about this interview. Why did MJ get so upset when they went to Germany? A complete mystery.
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I also find it difficult to watch for various reasons, it almost seems as though Bashir was given a script and was playing the bad guy, the way he phrased some things made him seem like a villian in some melodrama. And then of course there was the betrayal of MJ after he let him into his world, and the comeback video by MJ's team of what actually happened. Showing the world that things can be manipulated to affect their opinion of someone? That things aren't always as they appear even if they see it on a TV screen? I still wonder about how involved Bashir is in the hoax, whether the whole thing was a part of the big picture. And then there's the differences between the MJs. The man we never knew LOL. ;)
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For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
[youtube:2akkyssm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:2akkyssm]
I agree MJonmind. This is usually sidepassed, but there is something really strange about this interview. Why did MJ get so upset when they went to Germany? A complete mystery.
I've seen these two looks many times, as I've already said - it's so weird how his face completely changes - I know the film was made over a few months and he could have had some botox or something within the duration of the filming, but something bothers me about it.
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[youtube:1w2wq4ru]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:1w2wq4ru][/quote]
The jump from 0:44 to 0:46, 2 different people. To me, the "real" Michael is the 1st one and the 2nd one I have my doubts about. Can surgery change a person that much? is not only the looks, it is also the behaviour. Different personalities.
:mrgreen: back to point 0, i am going in circles. I just feel like svearing :evil:
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It wasn't just how his face changed,I mean..it looks almost like he had surgery mid way through the film or put weight on or something,it's also what he was saying.I sat there watched it,I was much younger than I am now...but even then I was like
MICHAEL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
It was 100% made to make him look,deranged,unstable,and basically weird...confirming all the rumours about him and then the aftermath sealed the deal.
I only watched it once in full,I couldn't watch it again.
Shall I swear for you Gema?
FUCK BASHIR and his documentary.
there you go.haha
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:lol: that felt virtually good. Next stop KF :lol:
Yes, Michael 1 talking about Blanket´s mom and Michael 2 on the deny about Blanket´s mom.
What about Michael 3, the Michael in the train? From minute 5:00
[youtube:3kstzm2m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAaUC5IVfzU&feature=related[/youtube:3kstzm2m]
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Oh,You'd need a censor for my true feelings on KF lmao!
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[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:15gfi6bq]
The jump from 0:44 to 0:46, 2 different people. To me, the "real" Michael is the 1st one and the 2nd one I have my doubts about. Can surgery change a person that much? is not only the looks, it is also the behaviour. Different personalities.
:mrgreen: back to point 0, i am going in circles. I just feel like svearing :evil:
I respect your opinion. But for me is the first MJ (red) 99% a double/FAKE. The second MJ (wine) is 99% REAL deal!!
[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZt5W7aNlQ[/youtube:15gfi6bq]
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc99o1CGjg1qbdovzo1_500.jpg)
[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCKixAtO5M&feature=related[/youtube:15gfi6bq]
[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp9KRtkVgOo&feature=related[/youtube:15gfi6bq]
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See...I couldn't even watch all of that 1.45 clip then,I skipped through it.
He says things in such an innocent way with no intent...and they are turned into something awful.
As soon as Bashir says you have them on your computer...that was it.
I know this thread isn't about that whole incident but i'm just saying.
Back to doubles and non 02 MJ....
My brain is going to literally explode with all of this I think.
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See...I couldn't even watch all of that 1.45 clip then,I skipped through it.
He says things in such an innocent way with no intent...and they are turned into something awful.
As soon as Bashir says you have them on your computer...that was it.
I know this thread isn't about that whole incident but i'm just saying.
Back to doubles and non 02 MJ....
My brain is going to literally explode with all of this I think.
Well, At least we are sure now about the fact that MJ owned a computer... :lol:
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Well, At least we are sure now about the fact that MJ owned a computer... :lol:
LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are the voice of the thoughts circulating around here at times
LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.
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@frogh777,
It´s Michael with a "fuller" face but what about the eyes?
I am awared that surgery can change ones expression, but the shy aura that Michael 1 (red shirt) has in his eyes is not the same than the one Michael 2 (wine shirt) has.
If it´s the same man there is a huge personality change there.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are the voice of the thoughts circulating around here at times
LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.
Were you not thinking online grocery shopping whilst in the bath no?
hahaha
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are the voice of the thoughts circulating around here at times
LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.
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@frogh777,
It´s Michael with a "fuller" face but what about the eyes?
I am awared that surgery can change ones expression, but the shy aura that Michael 1 (red shirt) has in his eyes is not the same than the one Michael 2 (wine shirt) has.
If it´s the same man there is a huge personality change there.
The MJ in the wine shirt has much fuller lips too (he looks a little sleepy) but more like the MJ I know and love. The other MJ has unkempt hair and thinner lips - you can only see his bottom teeth. It almost looks like has has no upper teeth at all - you don't get this with the MJ in the wine shirt). It's so weird.
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I had an Uncle who's looks would change completely if he got drunk. His face would swell, his eyes and mouth would twitch etc...
I'm starting to wonder if Michael had a drinking problem. I do not believe the drug problem mess except maybe for just the time right after the Pepsi accident but was he maybe getting sauced during the Bashir interview? God knows I love Michael but we are looking for truth here.
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Please, check from 0:55
Michael falls down or hides or he has been injured. Tohmé also bends down to assist Michael.
[youtube:2ata93js]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdzCd_Pc17Y&feature=related[/youtube:2ata93js]
Maybe he was afraid that ripped off his wig!
He never hid from the public. Whenever I saw him walking with his bodyguards, but that attitude was very strange. He seemed afraid enfrerntar people!
The major differences in the face of O2 were the shape of the face (even skinny, Michael had a pretty face square and it has not changed, because we can see in TII), the way you walk ede speak. When Michael would make a statement, he spoke many things, his voice was soft, did not laugh much and never appeared in dark glasses.
Perhaps the idea was to make people believe he was ill and heavily drugged, and it seems they have achieved. If he appeared so cute and acting like Michael Jackson, no one would believe that he was very ill and addicted.
For me, he called a fake to make a fake ad.
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Why MJ would have wanted to start a new tour if he was so "sick"? I just don't get it.
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Maybe because TII was never supposed to be a tour/concert....it was always supposed to be a movie.
The wine coloured shirt MJ is much fuller in the face.....If he is taking cortisone for Lupus, that could explain the puffiness in the face and around the eyes. My mother had lupus....Cheers
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Maybe because TII was never supposed to be a tour/concert....it was always supposed to be a movie.
Yup!!!!!Spot on,it was never going to be a tour
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Maybe because TII was never supposed to be a tour/concert....it was always supposed to be a movie.
The wine coloured shirt MJ is much fuller in the face.....If he is taking cortisone for Lupus, that could explain the puffiness in the face and around the eyes. My mother had lupus....Cheers
Very good observation!
Michael would be the 1st person I see that looks great after cortison intake!
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Notwithstanding injections, I still think there's more to this than meets the eye.
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Notwithstanding injections, I still think there's more to this than meets the eye.
TONS
That is one of the fascinations for me and I am sure other's as well.
Especially when you are my age and literally watched him from the time
the Jackson5 hit Motown and the record charts and their lead singer
happened to be a skinny kid who grew up and made himself a super rich
mega star.
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Notwithstanding injections, I still think there's more to this than meets the eye.
TONS
That is one of the fascinations for me and I am sure other's as well.
Especially when you are my age and literally watched him from the time
the Jackson5 hit Motown and the record charts and their lead singer
happened to be a skinny kid who grew up and made himself a super rich
mega star.
You and I must be around the same age --ish
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I'm just going to bring this back on topic as it's moved into being about the differences in the Bashir docufilm instead-which is fine for comparison purposes!!but overall 02 MJ or not 02 MJ is the question (enter shakespeare aha)
The 02 MJ with the swagger who walks past the golf buggy at the 02 is the one arriving on it in TII at Culver city,yet by the time he reaches the table where they are doing effects on the laptop,he has a totally different face shape,is much thinner,has different hair and looks nothing like the guy at the 02 .
I have pictures somewhere......*going to find them
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O2 guy, can go on forever, as both isdes have good arguments and evidence they show, i my self, am not fully convinced O2 guy is MJ, not really sure what to believe with it, and TII, i cant seem watch it, without thinking, that prob a double performing that song rehearsal :? the whole double MJ thing, gotten to me to much i reckon :lol:
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I don't think the guy at O2 was Michael. What really shocks me is the sudden transition.
Before O2, he was pale and thin with a slight cleft. Then at the O2 Conference, suddenly he is very well built, muscles and all, with a tan and a deep cleft.
This could be explained by surgery, sure. Klein mentioned he was going to fix him up, or something like that.
I would have believed this were Michael at O2, if just a few months later he looked the same. But during the TII rehearsals, he's back to being pale and frail again. Thats too big of a transition. No way he can go back and forth between appearances that way.
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MJ loved illusions; Morph is his favorite character; he frequently visited Arnie Klein who is the absolute best in his field of dermatology including surgery and injections; his weight fluctuated because of his eating disorder; and he was a master at make-up, lighting angles, body language and movement, doing voices and facial expressions. The only constant seems to be his hands. The hands of O2 guy matches other MJ hand pics. JMO
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Ooooooooooooooooohhhhhh it's time for Sin's 02 picture collection to resurface haha :mrgreen:
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Arnie Klein said he did a lot of fillers and maybe he just did not take that silly Karen woman with him, therefore had human coloured makeup!
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But in TII, he looked nothing like 02 guy - the guy at the 02 was a one-off - only for that particular performance imho. I've not seen him either before 02 or since.
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Arnie Klein said he did a lot of fillers and maybe he just did not take that silly Karen woman with him, therefore had human coloured makeup!
Yes Arnie did say that...after all its Arnies job & no reason for him to lie about tht..
I still believe O2 guy was MJ... if anything MJ at the O2 was disguised as an impersonator, he was just starting controversy i.e. give people something to talk about.
At the O2 when MJ talked about the final curtain call I believe he was referring to the O2 conference as being his final curtain call & that he said his good bye that day.
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Arnie Klein said he did a lot of fillers and maybe he just did not take that silly Karen woman with him, therefore had human coloured makeup!
Yes Arnie did say that...after all its Arnies job & no reason for him to lie about tht..
Arnie Klein also said Mike peed in a cup in public, so I'm not so sure if we need to take Arnie that serious :lol: :lol:
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Arnie Klein said he did a lot of fillers and maybe he just did not take that silly Karen woman with him, therefore had human coloured makeup!
Yes Arnie did say that...after all its Arnies job & no reason for him to lie about tht..
Arnie Klein also said Mike peed in a cup in public, so I'm not so sure if we need to take Arnie that serious :lol: :lol:
Its The Greatest Show On Earth & its satirical humor.
This movie is satire at its finest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire)
I remember Arnie sayin that...:lol: peed in cup in public thats so funny :lol:
That reminds me of the Autopsy Report & the container filled with pee found by his bed.
dont forget...
Animal toys in the courtroom ...the list is long...but its all satire.
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But in TII, he looked nothing like 02 guy - the guy at the 02 was a one-off - only for that particular performance imho. I've not seen him either before 02 or since.
I have to totally agree with you here. What was the time lapse between the announcement and the rehearsals we see in TII? Because there is certainly a whole different look of the 2 Michaels making that announcement and at those rehearsals. A big difference IMO. At first I was a little thrown off by the 02 guy but thought it could still have been MJ. It was only after making the comparison with the movie Michael that made me think differently. I don’t know. Something feels off about it.
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It wasn't Michael on that stage in London. I am almost sure of it
In fact I am not sure but I think it wasn't him....the first impression was it wasn't him
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This has created war of words in the past...and you dare go there :)
Yep...Michael definitely on the right. One, maybe two of the real MJ on the left....but there are fakes mixed in as the others are saying.
It's been documented that Navi was at the 02 that day - however, I don't think that was him on stage. I'm not sure who that was...
It's also been documented that fans swarmed one of the impersonators at the 02 thinking it was Michael - but it wasn't.
[youtube:31iq27gx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mTtuaaP0M[/youtube:31iq27gx]
I just commented on that video because it's hilarious; it's pending approval. My comment was:
Those people must be f***ing blind. When he shows his face to the camera from 0:50 you can clearly see it's not him. It's only from behind he resembles Michael but they were looking directly at his face. It's blatantly obvious the man is an impersonator; those "fans" must be on bloody drugs I swear.
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I never considered there being doubles in Living with Michael Jackson. The only thing which was weird is that when he changed the story about whether or not he knew Blanket's mother, Bashir never stopped him and said "But you said you knew her, and had a relationship with her...and now you're saying you used a surrogate you didn't know at all." I mean, it was an obvious contradiction and I always thought even someone scummy as Bashir could surely not be that stupid to have not picked up on it?! I mean, seriously...Bashir was meant to be a well paid journalist who interviewed Princess Diana, MJ and who knows who else...but huge celebrities...and he's that stupid he actually missed the contradiction right under his nose? Give me a break... :roll:
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To me these are all the same smiles. How can you mimic the subtle nuances of someones every facial muscle move and emotion.[attachment=2:dl1e5b7w]ghost3.jpg[/attachment:dl1e5b7w][attachment=1:dl1e5b7w]MJJ-michael-jackson-19259937-500-426[1].jpg[/attachment:dl1e5b7w][attachment=0:dl1e5b7w]Untitled.jpg[/attachment:dl1e5b7w]
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Oh I don't know anymore :roll:
The fact is there are times when he looks slightly different. Could be the make-up and the clothes giving us the illusion that sometimes it's not him but a double........ but Michael is crazy enough to have a perfect double .......
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Joe Jackson said that TII had MJ doubles. In the Gilda make off? video, there is a MJ (double?) sitting on a chair and another standing up.
Decoys MJ had on contract, that we know. Also, other theories have been discussed, as an impersonator passed, not "real" MJ.
Once MJ is back, if ever, idk how people is going to believe it is him.
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Not Michael =]
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It was not Michael at the 02. The width of his face is off, the smile is wrong, the teeth, mannerisms, everything. It was not him.
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This has created war of words in the past...and you dare go there :)
Yep...Michael definitely on the right. One, maybe two of the real MJ on the left....but there are fakes mixed in as the others are saying.
It's been documented that Navi was at the 02 that day - however, I don't think that was him on stage. I'm not sure who that was...
It's also been documented that fans swarmed one of the impersonators at the 02 thinking it was Michael - but it wasn't.
[youtube:23wemiso]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mTtuaaP0M[/youtube:23wemiso]
I can see in a split second in thatvideo it's not Michael so why can't the fans there. It's strange
I just commented on that video because it's hilarious; it's pending approval. My comment was:
Those people must be f***ing blind. When he shows his face to the camera from 0:50 you can clearly see it's not him. It's only from behind he resembles Michael but they were looking directly at his face. It's blatantly obvious the man is an impersonator; those "fans" must be on bloody drugs I swear.
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@ mumof3 I started laughing when he showed his face to the camera, they looked like real fans but then it just looked like a joke :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe a set-up?
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Once MJ is back, if ever, idk how people is going to believe it is him.
They will believe it. Besides the fact that his smile and eyes will convince people, I am sure he has that covered.
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Every time I review the O2 pres conf I wonder what's wrong with his upper lip :? it really doesn't look like Michael's upper lip but of course, maybe they used too much lipstick on it :?
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This press conf still fascinates me as the most weird press conf of all times :?
I hate those sun-glasses and the frustration of not seeing his eyes is almost unbearable :evil:
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I honestly feel like writing a book on this whole event.
It would make for amazing reading.
First though,I'd have to find all those thousands of pictures taken by the crowd that never made it onto any social networking site/photo album/google/etc
amazing...truly.
02 Press conference,you do make me YAWN.
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I love how you can do that Sinds, make the sarcasm practically drip off my screen!! :lol:
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I love how you can do that Sinds, make the sarcasm practically drip off my screen!! :lol:
Hahahaha
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Once MJ is back, if ever, idk how people is going to believe it is him.
They will believe it. Besides the fact that his smile and eyes will convince people, I am sure he has that covered.
The eyes! Hopefully no sunglasses!
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First though,I'd have to find all those thousands of pictures taken by the crowd that never made it onto any social networking site/photo album/google/etc
amazing...truly.
So true!
I found just 1 video in youtube from a "fan" who closed his account. May be is time to search if more fans got videos up, but I think i wont be able to find many.
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First though,I'd have to find all those thousands of pictures taken by the crowd that never made it onto any social networking site/photo album/google/etc
amazing...truly.
So true!
I found just 1 video in youtube from a "fan" who closed his account. May be is time to search if more fans got videos up, but I think i wont be able to find many.
You won't find any Gem,they don't exist.This is one of THE main factors to the whole thing being the start of this 'production' set up and 'controlled' to the point that there are no images,footage,anything from a single 'fan' who was stood in that crowd.
There was supposed to be nearly or over 2000 people there for it...so where are the thousands of individual shots taken all day/and after it started?
The camera's and phones weren't banned,because you can see them being used in media images of it.
I have more photos uploaded to my fb from a night at Thriller Live as an audience member than there are photos from the crowd at the 02. #truestory
I will find the thread and the pic which I drew on and you can see at least 100 people in the crowd,at the front,with camera's,phones etc all on,all capturing footage...where is it?
More or less every shot from the 02 conf is a controlled image,'MJ' red curtain this is it and is completley abnormal and fake/impossible if it had of been 'real'.
You can even see the 6guys round the table with photos open in photoshop on TII!!
I don't care what ANYONE says,that was no run of the mill press conference and I know nothing is run of the mill with Michael but this takes a top position in the list of 'off events'
there are images from who knows where,where the stage looks totally different,the curtain is a different shape-more squared not circular around the stage,different people in different positions around it.
Then you have the fact on the TII movie,the enterance to the V studios looking like the part where he arrived at the 02 with the golf buggy only...he walked past it at the conf,and got into it on the movie.
All this is fact,and can't really be ignored so why anyone would think the man on the stage is Michael..when nothing else about it is really real or kosher...I don't get it.
No offense to anyone who believes it is MJ but that's my opinion.
EVERYTHING is off,from the moment his foot steps off out the car/splitter van thing he arrives in to the last wave goodbye.
and another thing,Dermott O'Leary said on a UK tv show when asked about meeting Michael at the 02 what he was like,he described him as being well built,having premier leauge player stature and basically saying he could feel he was 'ripped' when he hugged him....Michael,ripped like a football player?
yet a few days later in LA his face was thin again,he was thin in general-normal MJ thin and didn't looked ripped by any means.
I will never be convinced.Never.
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I always said it, the O2 dude is not Michael Jackson. Just his voice and mannerism. Since when Michael starts slouching when he walks, and than he starts bending and starts moving with his arm back and forth, He is a shy man, and everytime he did an interview he had poise, and was very calm and his voice was soft. This dude was total opposite.
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I always said it, the O2 dude is not Michael Jackson. Just his voice and mannerism. Since when Michael starts slouching when he walks, and than he starts bending and starts moving with his arm back and forth, He is a shy man, and everytime he did an interview he had poise, and was very calm and his voice was soft. This dude was total opposite.
Dude's got swagger...watch it...he steps out,and bounces like he is from Compton
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I always said it, the O2 dude is not Michael Jackson. Just his voice and mannerism. Since when Michael starts slouching when he walks, and than he starts bending and starts moving with his arm back and forth, He is a shy man, and everytime he did an interview he had poise, and was very calm and his voice was soft. This dude was total opposite.
Dude's got swagger...watch it...he steps out,and bounces like he is from Compton
Sorry Sinderella, Is Compton a city in USA? I am from Canada .. sorry if I sound stupid.
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I always said it, the O2 dude is not Michael Jackson. Just his voice and mannerism. Since when Michael starts slouching when he walks, and than he starts bending and starts moving with his arm back and forth, He is a shy man, and everytime he did an interview he had poise, and was very calm and his voice was soft. This dude was total opposite.
Dude's got swagger...watch it...he steps out,and bounces like he is from Compton
Sorry Sinderella, Is Compton a city in USA? I am from Canada .. sorry if I sound stupid.
No it's ok =]
Compton is a city in south LA,it has a lot of BAD gangs and gangsters and so on.
Basically,I meant the 02 guy walks with a bounce like he is from the hood,not Michael Jackson.
And yes,swinging his arms about and fist pumping the air,with no vocabulary other than..this is it.
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I always said it, the O2 dude is not Michael Jackson. Just his voice and mannerism. Since when Michael starts slouching when he walks, and than he starts bending and starts moving with his arm back and forth, He is a shy man, and everytime he did an interview he had poise, and was very calm and his voice was soft. This dude was total opposite.
Dude's got swagger...watch it...he steps out,and bounces like he is from Compton
Sorry Sinderella, Is Compton a city in USA? I am from Canada .. sorry if I sound stupid.
No it's ok =]
Compton is a city in south LA,it has a lot of gangs and is known for gangsters and so on.
Basically,I meant the 02 guy walks with a bounce like he is from the hood,not Michael Jackson.
And yes,swinging his arms about and fist pumping the air,with no vocabulary other than..this is it...
Exactly, yes thank you.. I have heard of Compton but I wasn't sure. Thanks for letting me know. Indeed, he was rough not the sweet delicate Michael.. His voice was deeper than Michael's . Blessings.
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Honestly,I could go on and on about everything that is WRONG with/about it.
Yeah,if you go to LA...stay away from compton...
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Honestly,I could go on and on about everything that is WRONG with/about it.
Yeah,if you go to LA...stay away from compton...
Actually I was thinking to come down this summer on my vacation, and thank you for advising me about Compton. maybe will see you in LA..
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Honestly,I could go on and on about everything that is WRONG with/about it.
Yeah,if you go to LA...stay away from compton...
Actually I was thinking to come down this summer on my vacation, and thank you for advising me about Compton. maybe will see you in LA..
Oh you should!!!! Come hang out in the sunshine =]
it's just a bad area,everywhere has an area that is notorious.
LA as a place though is awesome and beautiful.
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Honestly,I could go on and on about everything that is WRONG with/about it.
Yeah,if you go to LA...stay away from compton...
Actually I was thinking to come down this summer on my vacation, and thank you for advising me about Compton. maybe will see you in LA..
Oh you should!!!! Come hang out in the sunshine =]
it's just a bad area,everywhere has an area that is notorious.
LA as a place though is awesome and beautiful.
I need the sunshine, here in Montreal, very cold snowing all the time.. getting pretty much fed up :lol:
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and another thing,Dermott O'Leary said on a UK tv show when asked about meeting Michael at the 02 what he was like,he described him as being well built,having premier leauge player stature and basically saying he could feel he was 'ripped' when he hugged him....Michael,ripped like a football player?
yet a few days later in LA his face was thin again,he was thin in general-normal MJ thin and didn't looked ripped by any means.
I will never be convinced.Never.
Yes...his body is not Michaels...omg, look at his broad shoulders and his muscular chest!
On the other side...(no I am not saying that could be MJ)...did anyone seen "Leatherheads" with George Clooney? George was not ripped like O2-guy, he was just slender, but with shoulder pads on - wow! Really broad!
But now I am confused...O2-guys jacket has also shoulder pads? Right? But Dermot described him as ripped like a football player? Always if I look at O2-sweetheart, then I see a man with a body like a leightweight-bodybuilder.
Ripped...omg...*thinks about O2-"MJ" washboard abs and faints*
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question: When did the 10 concerts get changed to 50 concerts?
before or after the O2 con?
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question: When did the 10 concerts get changed to 50 concerts?
before or after the O2 con?
Well,they never really got added as we know because the whole thing was never going to happen but after the conference the tic for 10days went on sale and sold out within a few days it was up to 50 and those were on sale.
I don't know whether everyone got a refund,there was a clause in ordering that said if it was cancelled and was not the 02s fault they would not be refunding tickets.
A lot of people swapped the concert ticket for an exhibition one instead,some kept hold of them and some are still being sold on eBay to collectors.
Either way,Huge amounts of $$$$ were made from a non existent tour due to the loophole in the order disclaimer and fans going the exhibition-and then added revenue from the merchandise sold....and people generally hanging on to them because it was a ticket from his last tour.
If you need to fund a death hoax...that is one smart way to do it.
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question: When did the 10 concerts get changed to 50 concerts?
before or after the O2 con?
Well,they never really got added as we know because the whole thing was never going to happen but after the conference the tic for 10days went on sale and sold out within a few days it was up to 50 and those were on sale.
I don't know whether everyone got a refund,there was a clause in ordering that said if it was cancelled and was not the 02s fault they would not be refunding tickets.
A lot of people swapped the concert ticket for an exhibition one instead,some kept hold of them and some are still being sold on eBay to collectors.
Either way,Huge amounts of $$$$ were made from a non existent tour due to the loophole in the order disclaimer and fans going the exhibition-and then added revenue from the merchandise sold....and people generally hanging on to them because it was a ticket from his last tour.
If you need to fund a death hoax...that is one smart way to do it.
I got refunds for 3 shows within 3 weeks with no problem at all.
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Well I am very happy for you, so you should have as well.
I did say I didn't know if it was everyone, I just know a few people who didn't.
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Well I am very happy for you, so you should have as well.
I did say I didn't know if it was everyone, I just know a few people who didn't.
I wasn't trying to be funny or off - just letting you know that I got 3 refunds. Your post looks a little sarcastic - but I could be wrong of course.
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Looks like I'm alone thinking O2 guy is Michael. Oh well...
But I thought I'd throw in the LKL with Lou Ferrigno and Miko Brando talking about training MJ for TII concerts.
Lou says of MJ's body, "He was the same like 20 years ago" and "his moves, he convinced me he could make the biggest comeback in history." MJ was indeed ripped. They both knew MJ well.
[youtube:2o53jz8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84[/youtube:2o53jz8o]
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Looks like I'm alone thinking O2 guy is Michael. Oh well...
You are not alone, MJonmind. I think it's quite possible that O2 guy is Michael, disguised as a fake Michael, acting out of character so this whole "is it him or not" debate would happen.
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Looks like I'm alone thinking O2 guy is Michael. Oh well...
'You are not alone ... I am here with you' ;)
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My daughter got a refund but she said it took ages.
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Thanks!
But you know MJ lives for controversy, and having opposite opinions on many topics here on this forum has actually been a helpful thing, because it makes us dig even "fight" for support for our view, while examining what the other side think also. Sometimes I've changed my mind about things because someone gave convincing evidence. Narrow-minded people just stick with one view and refuse to check if they are mistaken. A thread will dry up quickly without it. Who wants boring? :) I learn from you all!
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Well I am very happy for you, so you should have as well.
I did say I didn't know if it was everyone, I just know a few people who didn't.
I wasn't trying to be funny or off - just letting you know that I got 3 refunds. Your post looks a little sarcastic - but I could be wrong of course.
No,I know I wasn't being sarcastic :)
I know people got refunds which is totally right,they should have,I think it depends where they were bought and so on.
A lot of money was made from a non existent tour though
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I'm embarassed to say how LATE I am in noticing this but Wow...I had NO idea @ first that this wasn't the real MJ. He's trying to adust his voice to a higher pitch to sound like Michael, his walk isn't as proper as MJ's, his teeth look nothing like MJ's....and his nose isn't as thin as the real MJ. I can't believe I'm just now figuring this out. :oops: :ugeek: :| lol. I sure would have not liked being in the crowd among other screaming fans not knowing that wasn't the real MJ. haha ::P
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I always said it, the O2 dude is not Michael Jackson. Just his voice and mannerism. Since when Michael starts slouching when he walks, and than he starts bending and starts moving with his arm back and forth, He is a shy man, and everytime he did an interview he had poise, and was very calm and his voice was soft. This dude was total opposite.
it is true:the (real) mikael we knowed was sweet,shy,calm,while this 1 appeared cheeky,aggressive,angry... but,i wonder:could this guy be (the real) mikael who felt "forced" 2 act the part of a "different" person in order 2 make us understand that something odd was going 2 happen?? or,maybe,he was simply nervous because that day he was starting the hoax.... i think we'll never know the truth (unless mikael will explain us everything)
LUNA
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Interesting resurrection of this post. I'll use this as an opportunity to reflect.
The O2 guy's teeth are identical to MJ's teeth from as far back as Thriller days forward to 2009. I studied it in depth in August 2009 in an attempt to prove that the O2 guy was not MJ... and ended up proving that he was...
I believe O2 guy is MJ himself play acting a bad impersonator of himself. I believe he purposely acted odd and out of character to cast doubt and create controversy and create mystery for us... once he "died" on 6/25/09, he knew the tape would be scrutinized and analyzed and those who were paying attention would catch the inconsistencies. I believe he purposely acted like Elvis to create a connection there. I believe he may have been wearing facial prosthesis to change his features. I believe he played up that rock star walk. I believe he also circulated those pics of him appearing differently in just a few shots, so as to appear that there were 2 MJs at the O2 that day.
MJ created an illusion of being his own double at the O2 that day. Funnily enough, he did this so subtley that only the hoaxers would realize it, and he steered us toward the doubles theory. In that way, MJ hoaxed the hoaxers. This is what I believe.
I don't believe that this is the only instance in which the hoaxers have been hoaxed. I believe we, as well as the rest of the world, are in for many surprises come bamsday. We only THINK we know the real truth.
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I think the same bec. I went out of my way to prove to myself that O2 guy was NOT MJ but ended up with the same conclusions as you. Very clever of Michael...
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Interesting resurrection of this post. I'll use this as an opportunity to reflect.
The O2 guy's teeth are identical to MJ's teeth from as far back as Thriller days forward to 2009. I studied it in depth in August 2009 in an attempt to prove that the O2 guy was not MJ... and ended up proving that he was...
I believe O2 guy is MJ himself play acting a bad impersonator of himself. I believe he purposely acted odd and out of character to cast doubt and create controversy and create mystery for us... once he "died" on 6/25/09, he knew the tape would be scrutinized and analyzed and those who were paying attention would catch the inconsistencies. I believe he purposely acted like Elvis to create a connection there. I believe he may have been wearing facial prosthesis to change his features. I believe he played up that rock star walk. I believe he also circulated those pics of him appearing differently in just a few shots, so as to appear that there were 2 MJs at the O2 that day.
MJ created an illusion of being his own double at the O2 that day. Funnily enough, he did this so subtley that only the hoaxers would realize it, and he steered us toward the doubles theory. In that way, MJ hoaxed the hoaxers. This is what I believe.
I don't believe that this is the only instance in which the hoaxers have been hoaxed. I believe we, as well as the rest of the world, are in for many surprises come bamsday. We only THINK we know the real truth.
the controversy about the differences about mj and the o2 guy is still interesting,because it is a mystery!! i'm still not able 2 understand who is the man we've seen at the pressconference..... and,yes,the teeth r mikael's.... i hope the truth will prevail.
LUNA
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Here's the bottom line. If someone was trying to impersonate MJ and have no one be the wiser... he would have mimicked MJ perfectly. As it is... O2 guy was acting very out of character. Everything was off... he changed the way he walks, he changed the way he talks... I cannot explain...
get it?
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Interesting resurrection of this post. I'll use this as an opportunity to reflect.
The O2 guy's teeth are identical to MJ's teeth from as far back as Thriller days forward to 2009. I studied it in depth in August 2009 in an attempt to prove that the O2 guy was not MJ... and ended up proving that he was...
I believe O2 guy is MJ himself play acting a bad impersonator of himself. I believe he purposely acted odd and out of character to cast doubt and create controversy and create mystery for us... once he "died" on 6/25/09, he knew the tape would be scrutinized and analyzed and those who were paying attention would catch the inconsistencies. I believe he purposely acted like Elvis to create a connection there. I believe he may have been wearing facial prosthesis to change his features. I believe he played up that rock star walk. I believe he also circulated those pics of him appearing differently in just a few shots, so as to appear that there were 2 MJs at the O2 that day.
MJ created an illusion of being his own double at the O2 that day. Funnily enough, he did this so subtley that only the hoaxers would realize it, and he steered us toward the doubles theory. In that way, MJ hoaxed the hoaxers. This is what I believe.
I don't believe that this is the only instance in which the hoaxers have been hoaxed. I believe we, as well as the rest of the world, are in for many surprises come bamsday. We only THINK we know the real truth.
I agree with almost everything you wrote bec. Just except the part where hoaxers were hoaxed by Michael about the 02 conference. I never thought that it wasn't Michael at the 02. I see no difference at all, so I'm not so sure if his intention was to impersonate himself. But I agree that it was Michael himself at 02.
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I think that many of us have indeed come full circle over these past two years. Watching O2 guy's strange swaggering appearance as it happened pre- hoax death was when I first took the bait and the double theory was the initial rabbit hole that led to many of our fantastical and sometimes far fetched theories and adventures. 2+ years later and it is now only now that I seem to have come full circle. I still don't understand why there appears to be 3 distinct personalities displayed by MJ in TII except to maybe represent the real man, the flamboyant entertainer, and the the media representation of the man [-Mr orange pants]. And a few nights ago I had a dream sequence that I recalled and named My Tangerine Dream In it was all the orange connections in the hoax thus far starting with Mr Orange pants in TII...the cebu prison dancers forming upside down triangle while dancing to TDRCAU.....the sunflowers......chernoff's tie....pumpkin in court........orange triangular traffic sign in Murray pic....the clothing colour of choice for the family's unveiling of art at the hospital.....Jermaine's orange shirt while doing his book promotions ....and well. this site. It is interesting to note that the colour is useful for the stimulating of the senses and "feeling alive." [cough] Make you want to expand your horizons and look into new interests while demanding attention. So in summing up my off topic musings...I will finish up by saying that MR Jackson has indeed done his homework and has used every trick in the book including subliminal psychological triggers to draw us into this whole ARG. And I for one am glad that he did and also glad that I took the scenic route by travelling down these rabbit holes. It's been an adventure....a great adventure.
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i honestly dont think the O2 arena MJ wasnt MJ
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i honestly dont think the O2 arena MJ wasnt MJ
And I honestly don't think you're not right! :LolLolLolLol:
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:icon_lol:
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This is just to show you that the 02 guy was Michael Jackson himself, check and compare his left hand in these pics, the only different is that MJ was using a prosthetic nose and perhaps a prosthetic chin besides using that horrible wig that made him look weird:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317353_10201285799614183_289426331_n.jpg)
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Hi sweet, I don't mean any disrespect, but these pictures show that it wasn't Michael at the O2. It is only my opinion and I may be wrong. I feel that Michael was there in London, but it wasn't him at the conference.
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@ sweetsunsetwithMJ was using prosthetic nose and perhaps a prosthetic chin :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised:
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/o_stupid.gif)
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Faith we will see at the end of the hoax, look at the hand is a photocopy = is exactly the same.
Blankie notice how the O2 guy has more rounded nose, may be using a silicone prosthetic nose.
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Yes he may have used facial prosthesis.
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Body Double or not......
Hope the link works...
http://fxn.ws/ZgPkPf
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I'm not sure but the middlefinger looks longer in the "real" picture. It can be caused by the picture angle also but I'm notconvinced.
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I'm not sure but the middlefinger looks longer in the "real" picture. It can be caused by the picture angle also but I'm notconvinced.
Tove please the size of the middle finger is exactly the same, HANDS ARE THE SAME he is MJ, he called me before attending the O2 speech!! :icon_lol:
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Chaplin himself went to an "Chaplin impersonnating" contest and... HE LOST !
Who can look more like MJ, than MJ himself...
I think O2 guy is MJ. There was A LOT of make up, strange behaviour but i only see 2 reasons for that
- MJ wanted to confuse even his fans, and see what success : we still have no idea if it was him or not. What fake fans we are lool
- Don't forget he was "out of stage" since 10 years, people expected him, it was a lot of pressure so i think he was maybe nervous about his look, about his behaviour. I remember long time ago people would talk about him having a wig, about him having too much make up etc etc... so maybe he did what he thought to be best as such important moment.
To sum up, i think it's a mix of both. He started the rumors about doubles and i think he was also nervous about getting the hoax started.
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frikken love this thread! lol its like a black hole. subject matter has me constantly going to and fro
02 MJ the gift that keeps on giving
Love ya work! :smiley_abuv:
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Faith we will see at the end of the hoax, look at the hand is a photocopy = is exactly the same.
Blankie notice how the O2 guy has more rounded nose, may be using a silicone prosthetic nose.
Thanks sweet for your answer, I always thought that the boy of 02 was not Michael .. :icon_rolleyes:
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Chaplin himself went to an "Chaplin impersonnating" contest and... HE LOST !
Who can look more like MJ, than MJ himself...
I think O2 guy is MJ. There was A LOT of make up, strange behaviour but i only see 2 reasons for that
- MJ wanted to confuse even his fans, and see what success : we still have no idea if it was him or not. What fake fans we are lool
- Don't forget he was "out of stage" since 10 years, people expected him, it was a lot of pressure so i think he was maybe nervous about his look, about his behaviour. I remember long time ago people would talk about him having a wig, about him having too much make up etc etc... so maybe he did what he thought to be best as such important moment.
To sum up, i think it's a mix of both. He started the rumors about doubles and i think he was also nervous about getting the hoax started.
yep yep yep, that's exactly what I think :icon_razz:
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I love this thread too!
I settled on O2 guy being MJ a long time ago after extensive dissection of every moment of that announcement! There are several very subtle mannerisms (e.g.touching his mouth, raised eyebrows/mouthed closed) that I've seen from MJ in many interviews/speeches over the years and these led me to the conclusion that it was him at O2, albeit 'different'!
However ...... if I recognise these mannerisms, he is surely aware of them too and could easily have a double drop them in to his performance! (Although it looked so natural that I don't really believe this!)
Probably the only thing that now gives me any doubts that it was MJ, is him saying in the Geraldo interview when talking about taking film to a new level, that he was into directing not acting.
Wonder if he'll ever tell!
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FAKE JACKO FOOLED FANS
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
A MICHAEL Jackson lookalike pretended to be the King of Pop to plug the star’s last tour, his family claim.
The double was allegedly used at London’s O2 Arena alongside TV host Dermot O’Leary, 39, to announce gig dates back in 2009.
The family also reckon clips showing the Thriller star rehearsing – later used in a movie – featured a double.
The allegations are in a £26bn claim against the singer’s concert promoters.
Jacko’s children Paris and Prince, both 16, and their gran Katherine, 82, say tour bosses hired the lookalike as Michael was not fit enough.
The family say promoters AEG “mishandled” the star who died aged 50 three weeks before the tour.
They also say the firm was negligent in hiring disgraced doctor Conrad Murray, 60, who gave the star a fatal dose of anaesthetic.
Body language expert Bianca Cobb said: “In my opinion, the man in the clips isn’t Michael Jackson.
“The walk is cockier and had more bounce than MJ’s typical stride. He tended to walk with his head down.”
The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
A family source said: “Paris and Prince and their gran believe a fake Michael was involved. They have hired detectives to track him down.”
AEG deny the claim.
Sony, which released the movie This Is It showing Jacko rehearsing, said: “Every frame is undeniably Michael.”
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/310844/FAKE-JACKO-FOOLED-FANS/
I agree with AEG and Sony
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only michael can make it seem it's not him...imo
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Hey, just like I suggested 2 days ago over on this thread:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23777.msg439698.html#msg439698
" ...... just had a thought - easy to solve this. All they have to do is find all these MJ doubles and call
them to the witness stand to clear it up once and for all!! Ha Ha! (My
tongue is very firmly in my cheek while suggesting this!!)"
Things are getting crazy! Surely any doubles shouldn't be hard to find - I'm assuming they were paid for their work so their details should be in someone's accounts somewhere! No need for detectives! ...... or maybe there simply aren't any!!
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only michael can make it seem it's not him...imo
I agree.
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
too sad we'll not be able to watch it live....if it happens....
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I'm sure I'm thinking what you're thinking bec!! Might need to start using crazy smilies in my posts!
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only michael can make it seem it's not him...imo
Agree....
...as the line in the O-Bee song "Life is a Movie" says "sit back and watch me do me"
If a double gave evidence at the trial....that would be intriguing in more ways than one for sure!
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
too sad we'll not be able to watch it live....if it happens....
Oh don't worry. Have faith. MJ will make sure we see the good stuff.
Just for you curls: :-[
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:icon_lol: bec! Seriously, things are getting crazy - are you loving it (again) yet?!
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I'm lovin' it! :abouttime:
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Quote from: Thriller4ever on Today at 05:17:11 PM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,17429.msg439815.html#msg439815)only michael can make it seem it's not him...imo
Agree....
...as the line in the O-Bee song "Life is a Movie" says "sit back and watch me do me"
If a double gave evidence at the trial....that would be intriguing in more ways than one for sure!
do you remember the TMZ article..about a "creepy impersonator" with Katherine?
http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/26/katherine-jackson-las-vegas-photo/
(http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/26/katherine-jackson-las-vegas-photo/)
thought i'd just remind...
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:icon_lol: bec! Seriously, things are getting crazy - are you loving it (again) yet?!
Yes damnit. Lol thanks for asking.
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Oh my Gosh, I'm at work but can't concentrate on work, I'm going to get in trouble.......
I was over at the LA TIMES thread and I missed this one, just saw it now.
Everything is coming together now.....and it's almost 4 years.......
Also very, very interesting that Sony is siding with AEG.......is Michael killing 2 very large birds with 1 stone?????
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
Curls:
I'm sure I'm thinking what you're thinking bec!! Might need to start using crazy smilies in my posts!
What are you guys thinking?!?!?! same as me, that the double to come forward and give evidence at the L.A court might be MJ himself acting weirdly?? :icon_mrgreen:
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Oh God! I love it! It really seems we're getting nearer and nearer to bam... It's just too weird for me that the family is getting involved with all this double theory that is just sooooo hoaxy - I mean if they start questioning the O2 guy (that for me is clearly MJ acting strangely on purpose), then we're not far from questioning who was in the casket, who was transported to the hospital on June 25th, or even who was inteviewed by Larry King (Dave dave or mJ?)... Wow! This is truly the gratest show in the world! :D
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wow this is all becoming so much! i cant believe we are actually watching it unfold, news reporting of doubles right before the trial... amazing. lets see what will happen, lets sit back and wait, anxious i am lets not forget that, but i am so pleased to have watched this happen. i sit here with a smile on my face, thank you Michael ;D
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I have nothing to say because i FEEL what's gonna happen, and i'm already :thjajaja121:
I would only say : he appeared in many people's disguise, there is one last character he never took the look : HIMSELF
I wanna see that happen
And i agree that ANY impersonator is debunked in a minute, i think only MJ can look not like MJ
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I'm curious as to who this detective has been trying to track down, lol, the one allegedly hired by Katherine and kids.
I also wonder how many people, previously ignorant of any hoax, googled "michael jackson double" and came across all the hoax forums/sites/videos.
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
:smiley-vault-misc-150: :icon_pale:
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and here we go with other tabloids picking up the story and running with it.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/24/michael-jacksons-family-accuse-tour-promoters-of-using-a-fake-jacko-to-plug-his-this-is-it-tour-3664994/ (http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/24/michael-jacksons-family-accuse-tour-promoters-of-using-a-fake-jacko-to-plug-his-this-is-it-tour-3664994/)
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This trial promises much, what a pity that not going to be televised
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and here we go with other tabloids picking up the story and running with it.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/24/michael-jacksons-family-accuse-tour-promoters-of-using-a-fake-jacko-to-plug-his-this-is-it-tour-3664994/ (http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/24/michael-jacksons-family-accuse-tour-promoters-of-using-a-fake-jacko-to-plug-his-this-is-it-tour-3664994/)
Stupid media...
Re: MJ double being called as a witness. you know, as much as we are running with the hilarity of the possibility of a double attending, they really kinda do have to call him up as he is involved right? And they are saying he stepped in due to MJ's health - which is definitely going to be in question...
bec.... you may have stumbled on a scoop! scummy, media will prob read it here and start reporting on it, lol
omg. this is so exciting. going to need a huge amount of popcorn for this trial!
(http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u356/tikarri/humor/popcorn.jpg)
meanwhile, i'm starting to think this trial is the beginning of the end.... or at least the start of the beginning of the end if you know what i mean.
so exciting!
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lol, just thought of something, what is MJ plays the double... ha
:LolLolLolLol:
bring on this trial. so exciting (even if no double is witness) just greatly anticipating this.
shame about no live feed
shucks!
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@Aussie...I know exactly what you mean. Must admit I'm getting excited too. By the end of this trial, it won't just be media reading here, but a great influx of new guests and the return of many previous members . It really is all coming out like Jermaine promised us. It just has taken a few more years then we originally thought it would. :-[ Did I mention I'm getting pretty excited? :michael-jackson:
May I request the return of "Cool Moof Guy " from TII. RK has a little crush on that particular MJ.
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lol, just thought of something, what is MJ plays the double... ha
God you're slow.
Hehe! Just poking you Aussie.
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Love the new development with it's hoaxy possibilities :woohoo2:, though it's not saying at all that MJ's alive to the fans/public (yet)!
This may send many more to closely examine MJ's 02 pics and his other pics. TS said former members would come pouring back in here.
Maybe Front was referring to the AEG trial.
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=15701;area=showposts;start=75
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Love the new development with it's hoaxy possibilities :woohoo2:, though it's not saying at all that MJ's alive to the fans/public (yet)!
This may send many more to closely examine MJ's 02 pics and his other pics. TS said former members would come pouring back in here.
Maybe Front was referring to the AEG trial.
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=15701;area=showposts;start=75
Yeah indeed - maybe it was the AEG trial Front was referring to....so that makes me wonder if "Exhibit B" will rock this trial as Front once wrote about.....
woo hoo....this is getting exciting!
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lol, just thought of something, what if MJ plays the double... ha
God you're slow.
Hehe! Just poking you Aussie.
bwahahahaha @ myself and my daftness. gee i am really out of form hey!?!? honestly rofling that i missed that one... LOL
embarrasing :icon_redface:
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Here's another article about the O2 'double':
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/10025889/Michael-Jackson-the-difficulty-of-disproving-impersonator-theories.html
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Ok and now I ask myself: why is it so important if the O2 guy was MJ himself or not?? I mean if MJ had truly died nobody would be trying to determine if that guy was Michael or a horrific impersonator, I hope non-believers notice that soon.
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@sweet, it's not really important if you think MJ's alive - it's just another interesting 'aside', but if you think MJ's dead and the idea of him being drunk at the O2 is being hammered home by certain people - then, others start claiming it was a double all along, it surely opens a of worms and begs many questions. Why? Was MJ really drunk/full of nerves, and this double was hastily found to stand in for him? That scenario just doesn't work on so many levels. So was the double always going to be the one making the announcement? If so, why bother if MJ was 'out of it' in his hotel room? Did MJ even have to be in London at all? ...... and so the questions snowball.
We are hearing such a mixture of crazy contradictory stories right now, that I'm so relieved to simply know MJ is alive!
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I cannot "drink" this story of MJ being drunk for the annoucement. To my knowledge, we have no example of him totally drunk in front of a public. This was not at all in his habits. Some others celebrities were used to that Whinehouse, Gainsgourg, etc....he was not. To the contrary, MJ was always soucious of his image and respectfull for his public. And thinking of the context, i.e. the announcement of him back on stage after so many years, let's imagine he got extremely tensed that he drank too much before the O2 show, I guess, I hope, I think, whatever , that all the people surrounding him,working with and for him, assistants, advisers, make up, PR....etc, would have stoppped him before he went in front of the public and that they would postponed the annoncement. We know this happens in various occasions, he was supposed to show up and he did not for different reasons. So my purpose is that I cannot believe that the people around him,working with him and who love Mickael, would let him go in such a bad shape, taking such a risk for TII announcement.
Now, was it Mickael or a double ? I'm still in doubt! with a preference for a double, and why at the end it was anyway done in a so weird way ? … one day, we will know :icon_bounce:
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Whether it is Michael or somebody else playing the 02 guy I feel it is definately a ROLE being acted out there and then. It is like a parody on how celebrities/superstars act- few words on repeat but lots of waving about while being perhaps slightly "out of it." And all the adoring fans drinking it all in without question....
Reminds me of that story by HC Anderesen The Emperor's New Clothes where everyone except a small child said he looked wonderful even though he definately did not.
I guess "THE TEACHER OF TEACHERS" is enjoying teaching us a brilliant lesson in how to start keeping our eyes and ears peeled!" :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red :ghsdf: :thjajaja121:
Titania
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I cannot "drink" this story of MJ being drunk for the annoucement. To my knowledge, we have no example of him totally drunk in front of a public. This was not at all in his habits. Some others celebrities were used to that Whinehouse, Gainsgourg, etc....he was not. To the contrary, MJ was always soucious of his image and respectfull for his public. And thinking of the context, i.e. the announcement of him back on stage after so many years, let's imagine he got extremely tensed that he drank too much before the O2 show, I guess, I hope, I think, whatever , that all the people surrounding him,working with and for him, assistants, advisers, make up, PR....etc, would have stoppped him before he went in front of the public and that they would postponed the annoncement. We know this happens in various occasions, he was supposed to show up and he did not for different reasons. So my purpose is that I cannot believe that the people around him,working with him and who love Mickael, would let him go in such a bad shape, taking such a risk for TII announcement.
Now, was it Mickael or a double ? I'm still in doubt! with a preference for a double, and why at the end it was anyway done in a so weird way ? … one day, we will know :icon_bounce:
I agree with you when you say that his team wouldn't let him show up in public in such kinda condition (I mean in the case he was drunk that it was not the case, lol) furthermore that speech was gonna be his return as an entertainer and if he had appeared drunk no one would have taken him seriously from that point forward.
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Don't know if it were posted, here is an article about use of doubles, but it actually goes into the comparisons of MJ and the doubles, hands, teeth, wigs etc
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/04/22/rumored-use-michael-jackson-body-doubles-could-be-key-issue-in-trial/
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Don't know if it were posted, here is an article about use of doubles, but it actually goes into the comparisons of MJ and the doubles, hands, teeth, wigs etc
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/04/22/rumored-use-michael-jackson-body-doubles-could-be-key-issue-in-trial/
Yeah, I made a thread about that.
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Hello Hachi,
Havent seen you for quiet some time.Good to see you are still here! :)
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Hey, good to see you too! :>
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I've said this before, so my apologies, but I am more and more convinced of it. I think MJ at the 02 was Jim Carey. It's the mannerisms, the way he walks and holds his head, and the pregnant pauses. And I can imagine how he would spoof MJ with a wig off kilter, and that crazy walk.
A bit off topic, but in looking for some footage of Jim Carey to compare with the 02 guy, I stumbled upon this.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0433b30576/cold-dead-hand-with-jim-carrey
Without a doubt Carey is a comic genius....and he really hits his target in this one. :thjajaja121:
Interesting too that Carey played another comic genius....one who just happened to have hoaxed his death. Andy Kaufman in Man in the Moon.
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Chaplin himself went to an "Chaplin impersonnating" contest and... HE LOST !
And in case anyone forgot we KNOW how much MJ admired Chaplin!!!!!!
As well as we know he said to become great he STUDIED the greats!
This may have been nothing more than MJ portray out of Chaplin's own book!!
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
Im thinking that it would be AWESOME if MJ played that double of himself
and ACTUALLY WENT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE and tesitified in this AEG trial!!!
I think some big stuff is going down very soon in this trial.
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
Im thinking that it would be AWESOME if MJ played that double of himself
and ACTUALLY WENT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE and tesitified in this AEG trial!!!
I think some big stuff is going down very soon in this trial.
I Agree... that would be AWESOME... :LolLolLolLol: I hope so.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mj02cnc.jpg)
Front
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol
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Just a quick question: both sides agree on their prospective witness lists before a trial starts, so are extra witnesses allowed to be added once a trial has started?
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
Im thinking that it would be AWESOME if MJ played that double of himself
and ACTUALLY WENT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE and tesitified in this AEG trial!!!
I think some big stuff is going down very soon in this trial.
Agree! that would be awesome and so freakin' amazingly crazy at the same time.....love the thought of it :icon_albino:
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The Jacksons are appealing for the double to come forward and give evidence at the Los Angeles court.
Oh god... who's thinking what I'm thinking??
How friggin crazy would THAT be??
Oh god!
Im thinking that it would be AWESOME if MJ played that double of himself
and ACTUALLY WENT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE and tesitified in this AEG trial!!!
I think some big stuff is going down very soon in this trial.
Agree! that would be awesome and so freakin' amazingly crazy at the same time.....love the thought of it :icon_albino:
I still think the O2 guy is MJ, and there's no double in TII. :michael_jackson-1135:
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Just a quick question: both sides agree on their prospective witness lists before a trial starts, so are extra witnesses allowed to be added once a trial has started?
Yes, you can add a witness. It would probably result in a delay and be subject to objection but if you made a good case to the judge as to why you needed to add the witness then it can be done.
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^^^ that's ok then! :icon_e_wink:
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^^^ that's ok then! :icon_e_wink:
Who are you thinking about?? :icon_rolleyes:
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Chaplin himself went to an "Chaplin impersonnating" contest and... HE LOST !
:thjajaja121: never heard or read that before!, its priceless!
And in case anyone forgot we KNOW how much MJ admired Chaplin!!!!!!
As well as we know he said to become great he STUDIED the greats!
This may have been nothing more than MJ portray out of Chaplin's own book!!
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^^^ that's ok then! :icon_e_wink:
Who are you thinking about?? :icon_rolleyes:
The supposed O2 double the Jacksons want to find and bring to the witness stand!! (Bearing in mind though that article could be totally made up BS!)
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^^^ that's ok then! :icon_e_wink:
Who are you thinking about?? :icon_rolleyes:
The supposed O2 double the Jacksons want to find and bring to the witness stand!! (Bearing in mind though that article could be totally made up BS!)
We will see, we are all waiting for that moment to arrive, I mean the double going to the witness stand and turning out to be Michael, lol
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You're right sweet. I thought about that too. I wonder how many would recognize him. But I think this could not be done for security reasons! If I were him, I would send a real double to create even more confusion lool
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He did Dave Dave and that was significantly less secure then this staged trial is.
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Bec is right, Diggyon can you think of a safer place than a courtroom?? :animal0017:
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When MJ did Dave Dave not so many people were aware of the hoax and no one was expecting him to do so. But now, after almost 4 years, things have changed and everyone is expecting him to go to the court in a certain disguise! No matter how safe the court is, he is expected to appear in person now more than any other time which makes is a bit dangerous in my opinion!
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When MJ did Dave Dave not so many people were aware of the hoax and no one was expecting him to do so. But now, after almost 4 years, things have changed and everyone is expecting him to go to the court in a certain disguise! No matter how safe the court is, he is expected to appear in person now more than any other time which makes is a bit dangerous in my opinion!
You are right but I think Michael is being somehow backed up otherwise he would never be able to come back.
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Well, I don't know if this is the right time to bam. Through my experience in hoaxland I can only say that MJ doesn't do what people expect from him. We get surprised from time to time. So, if we expect him to go to court, then I guess he won't go. JMO
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When MJ did Dave Dave not so many people were aware of the hoax and no one was expecting him to do so. But now, after almost 4 years, things have changed and everyone is expecting him to go to the court in a certain disguise! No matter how safe the court is, he is expected to appear in person now more than any other time which makes is a bit dangerous in my opinion!
You're right, but that would be assuming that court is real.
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Surely the whole point is that to the world it wouldn't be MJ in court - it would be this supposed double. Maybe we would be able to see through the disguise, but quite possibly it'd just open up the 'was it/wasn't it him' debate again!
I also think we may be jumping the gun a bit here - nothing has been 'officially' reported yet, or brought up in court, about this 'Jacksons say O2 guy was a double' story.
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I was at the 02 conference. It seemed like Michael to me and I had a fairly good view but I guess anything is possible.
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Hi there! Did you take any photos by any chance?
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I was at the 02 conference. It seemed like Michael to me and I had a fairly good view but I guess anything is possible.
Just remember Michael is able to fool/trick his own family with doubles...
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Aussie, I don't remember him saying he could fool his own family with doubles - I thought it was with disguises. Big difference!
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Aussie, I don't remember him saying he could fool his own family with doubles - I thought it was with disguises. Big difference!
your right curls he didn't say that , but maybe he could . :thjajaja121:
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Aussie, I don't remember him saying he could fool his own family with doubles - I thought it was with disguises. Big difference!
@ curls, you are right. LOOOOOOOOOOL I so "Ill quoted" that!!! Haha..
Fiction fused with fact. :icon_e_wink:
My bad! :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface:
Ah, well. He is alive. Has doubles, did disguises.... ha... back peddling big time ay!?!?
Meanwhile. If I were MJ I "SO" would have sent my double to family dinners to 'test' of they worked! Trick the family, can trick the world!
Even though I misquoted, I still maintain that he would have sent doubles in to Casa Jackson for a test drive! That'd be So MJ.
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LOL Aussie, love the back peddling! xx
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I was at the 02 conference. It seemed like Michael to me and I had a fairly good view but I guess anything is possible.
Well ,if you thought that guy :icon_geek: was Mike,now Dr.Patrick Treacy, who was MJ's doctor when he was in Ireland thinks the opposite lol :LolLolLolLol: ~ !!!
He also said something that made my heart ache. He said MJ often said to him that he didn't want to be another broke black man being screwed by white managers :(. I just thought it was so sad because this is exactly what the media is now trying to paint him as.
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I was at the 02 conference. It seemed like Michael to me and I had a fairly good view but I guess anything is possible.
Well ,if you thought that guy :icon_geek: was Mike,now Dr.Patrick Treacy, who was MJ's doctor when he was in Ireland thinks the opposite lol :LolLolLolLol: ~ !!!
He also said something that made my heart ache. He said MJ often said to him that he didn't want to be another broke black man being screwed by white managers :(. I just thought it was so sad because this is exactly what the media is now trying to paint him as.
I think @Dancing the Dream is MJ and is confirming that O2 Arena guy was him (MJ), now you can think whatever you want but I'm quite sure of it.
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I was at the 02 conference. It seemed like Michael to me and I had a fairly good view but I guess anything is possible.
Well ,if you thought that guy :icon_geek: was Mike,now Dr.Patrick Treacy, who was MJ's doctor when he was in Ireland thinks the opposite lol :LolLolLolLol: ~ !!!
He also said something that made my heart ache. He said MJ often said to him that he didn't want to be another broke black man being screwed by white managers :(. I just thought it was so sad because this is exactly what the media is now trying to paint him as.
I think @Dancing the Dream is MJ and is confirming that O2 Arena guy was him (MJ), now you can think whatever you want but I'm quite sure of it.
I totally mis-read that then as you think I'M MJ LOL.
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The only thing that has ever caused me to doubt that it was actually MJ is that it looks as though he is wearing a kind of latex mask, but it definitely sounds like MJ speaking - all the usual nuances are there.
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All I can say is, after 5 years of analyzing and scrutinizing the 02 conference, we still have no definitive conclusion. Good work, Michael. We're all still running in circles and scratching our heads. And all I have to show for it is a bald spot from all the scratching.
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I was at the 02 conference. It seemed like Michael to me and I had a fairly good view but I guess anything is possible.
Well ,if you thought that guy :icon_geek: was Mike,now Dr.Patrick Treacy, who was MJ's doctor when he was in Ireland thinks the opposite lol :LolLolLolLol: ~ !!!
He also said something that made my heart ache. He said MJ often said to him that he didn't want to be another broke black man being screwed by white managers :(. I just thought it was so sad because this is exactly what the media is now trying to paint him as.
I think @Dancing the Dream is MJ and is confirming that O2 Arena guy was him (MJ), now you can think whatever you want but I'm quite sure of it.
I totally mis-read that then as you think I'M MJ LOL.
Haha don't worry I tend to think Michael Jackson is in everywhere, I'm turning a paranoid.