Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Christiana on December 18, 2009, 07:43:56 PM
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OK, I got a call from the FBI earlier this evening. Was on my way out the door so didn't have time to post at the time. But here's the info. Instead of having to write and request the files, and pay for the printing costs of the files, the FBI (by way of the Freedom of Information Act) is making the files available online sometime on December 22nd. Once they are up, you can download them, print them, save them. Here's what to do so you'll know, if you want to grab them once they're available.
Go to the FBI website at www.FBI.gov (http://www.FBI.gov)
Scroll down to the very bottom and click on the small text link that reads, Freedom of Information Act/Privacy.
On the next page, in the column on the right side, click on the link Hot Topics.
I assume the file link(s) will appear at the top of the Hot Topics page.
Hopefully their servers can handle the traffic that day! I'm just guessing here, but I imagine there was a lot of interest in those files, or else why would they bother posting them? They'd have to do a lot of printing, considering the files total nearly 600 pages, so they probably just don't want to bother. I really don't think there will be too much interesting in them (there sure wasn't in Elvis'). But hey, you never know, right? So it doesn't hurt to have a look and see.
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OK, I got a call from the FBI earlier this evening. Was on my way out the door so didn't have time to post at the time. But here's the info. Instead of having to write and request the files, and pay for the printing costs of the files, the FBI (by way of the Freedom of Information Act) is making the files available online sometime on December 22nd. Once they are up, you can download them, print them, save them. Here's what to do so you'll know, if you want to grab them once they're available.
Go to the FBI website at http://www.FBI.gov (http://www.FBI.gov)
Scroll down to the very bottom and click on the small text link that reads, Freedom of Information Act/Privacy.
On the next page, in the column on the right side, click on the link Hot Topics.
I assume the file link(s) will appear at the top of the Hot Topics page.
Hopefully their servers can handle the traffic that day! I'm just guessing here, but I imagine there was a lot of interest in those files, or else why would they bother posting them? They'd have to do a lot of printing, considering the files total nearly 600 pages, so they probably just don't want to bother. I really don't think there will be too much interesting in them (there sure wasn't in Elvis'). But hey, you never know, right? So it doesn't hurt to have a look and see.
Hmm...thats interesting. I'm DEFINETLY going to check that out on December 22nd. ALso, its interesting because (supposedly) ThisIsAlsoIt will be revealed on the 21st (maybe his comeback day?). Maybe (just maybe) thats the reason they are releasing it. It will give us a look at why and HOW he did it?
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Thats a pretty quick release date isn't it, considering there's supposed to be an ongoing homicide investigation? I'm not to familiar with how the FBI release works, but according to the link you posted, they only released Anna Nicole Smiths files this year and she passed away 2 years ago.
Maybe this is a good thing yes/no?
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Thats a pretty quick release date isn't it, considering there's supposed to be an ongoing homicide investigation? I'm not to familiar with how the FBI release works, but according to the link you posted, they only released Anna Nicole Smiths files this year and she passed away 2 years ago.
Maybe this is a good thing yes/no?
i am looking at it as a good thing we may be coming to the end of this journey
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Thats a pretty quick release date isn't it, considering there's supposed to be an ongoing homicide investigation? I'm not to familiar with how the FBI release works, but according to the link you posted, they only released Anna Nicole Smiths files this year and she passed away 2 years ago.
Maybe this is a good thing yes/no?
i am looking at it as a good thing we may be coming to the end of this journey
Yeah, I agree. Why would they release the FBI file if the investigation was still going on?
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Maybe we need to research this to see what the normal time frame is for them releasing the files? BTW I am confused how would this tie into the hoax. I am sorry I am not a legal expert! :)
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Maybe we need to research this to see what the normal time frame is for them releasing the files? BTW I am confused how would this tie into the hoax. I am sorry I am not a legal expert! :)
Well, they just released the Anna Nicole Smith files and she died like 2 years ago. So it's probably a couple of years after the death that it's able to be released...but if thats the case, why are they releasing MJ's on tuesday? ;)
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Thats a pretty quick release date isn't it, considering there's supposed to be an ongoing homicide investigation? I'm not to familiar with how the FBI release works, but according to the link you posted, they only released Anna Nicole Smiths files this year and she passed away 2 years ago.
Maybe this is a good thing yes/no?
i am looking at it as a good thing we may be coming to the end of this journey
Yeah, I agree. Why would they release the FBI file if the investigation was still going on?
Exactly-and they could only release them if he is indeed deceased correct? Or he is faking and we are wrong about gov involvement :?
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Just to clarify some things here....I'm not saying that MJ's FBI files have anything to do with the hoax. I'm just curious as to what is in there, just as I was with Elvis', which I got many years ago. Maybe we'll find something interesting, maybe not. But I'm just curious really.
You can request FBI files on any person, living or dead. But if the person is alive, you may not get access to much because then there is the Privacy Act to consider, which naturally protects a living person's rights to privacy. Requesting information on a dead person (or presumed dead as the case may be) requires you generally to submit proof of death, at the very least, some form of obituary. You can also send SS #. I did this with my initial request on MJ, using his commonly known SS# and a Wiki article on his death. But since they are now going to publicize his files, none of that is going to be necessary.
His FBI files have nothing to do with the ongoing police investigation, and there is no time limit for releasing FBI files. If there was something within the files pertaining to the investigation, then the FOIA would not apply and that information would not be released. And any information in the files pertaining to other people, information that would invade their right to privacy and violate the Privacy Act, then that information will be redacted (blacked out and/or hidden). That is the law. Elvis' files are like that...there are names blacked out, addresses blacked out, sometimes whole chunks of information blacked out. Because if you request the files about a specific person, then you only have a right to information pertaining specifically to that person.
Hope this helps clear some things up on this. :)
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The examiner.com already has an article on this. The FBI is only releasing 333 pages of the report. There are 343 pages that remain classified and kept private.
Here's a link to the article. Please read.
Here's a snippet of the article. I'm not sure what to make of it :cry: :cry: :cry:
"Jackson died on June 25,2009 in Los Angeles County, and was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center.
Law enforcement agents have been investigating allegations that the Jackson had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants that may have contributed to his death at age 50. Law enforcement agencies including the federal Drug Enforcement Administration and California Attorney General Jerry Brown are helping Los Angeles police officers investigate the possible involvement of prescription drugs in Jackson's death."
http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Mu ... -Christmas (http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Music-Examiner~y2009m12d18-Michael-Jackson-FBI-file-to-be-declassified-before-Christmas)
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why release it shortly before X-mas? I'd really like to know that
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Here's the full article. Wasn't sure if I was allowed to post the whole thing, but other sites have so I guess it's ok.
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Sources at the FBI have told Examiner.com that the federal law enforcement agency will declassify Michael Jackson's FBI files, and that the agency will make them available to the public within thirty-six to forty-eight hours.
Michael Jackson's FBI file contains 679 pages that were reviewed by the government agency. 333 pages will be released, leaving 343 pages of the late pop star's file to remain classified information. Those pages will remain secret.
The still classified documents about Michael Jackson consist of six files, the FBI told Examiner.com.
The FBI processed ninety-five classifications. The file emanating from FBI headquarters consist of several small files. There are seven files that comprise Michael Jackson's FBI documents.
The main FBI file for Michael Joseph Jackson is file number HQ 1148159. The Quantico file number is 252B-1R-6808. The LEGAT London file is 62-DLO-1179. The rest of Michael Jackson's FBI files are Los Angeles files. Their corresponding file numbers are 9A-LA-142276, 62-D-LA-236081, 62D-LA162715, 305B-LA-239204.
Sources at the FBI told Examiner.com that although they hope to have the file declassified by Tuesday, December 22, whether it will ultimately be done by that date is still not yet confirmed.
Due to the large number of requests that have been made to declassify Michael Jackson's files, the documents, compiled by FBI, will be made available via the internet. Michael Jackson's FBI file will be available for viewing online at the FBI's website when it is released.
Those wanting to read the MIchael Jackson FBI file will be able to view it is released by accessing it online at the agency's website. Viewers will be able to choose the "hot topics" link on the FBI website, which will take the reader to Michael Jackson's FBI file.
The FBI does not keep files on every citizen. However, the FBI has jurisdiction over crimes that consist of more than 200 categories of federal laws.
Jackson died on June 25,2009 in Los Angeles County, and was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center.
Law enforcement agents have been investigating allegations that the Jackson had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants that may have contributed to his death at age 50. Law enforcement agencies including the federal Drug Enforcement Administration and California Attorney General Jerry Brown are helping Los Angeles police officers investigate the possible involvement of prescription drugs in Jackson's death.
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"Jackson died on June 25,2009 in Los Angeles County, and was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center''.
By Jermaine Jackson. :roll:
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These are FBI files though. I can't see the FBI faking these documents and being part of this hoax UNLESS he really is in witness protection programme. Sorry but this does bother me. By the way his FBI files say Michael JOSEPH Jackson. Maybe that might clear up the Joe vs Joseph. Who knows!
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Hi Everyone
I'm not that clued up, but can these files then say that he is actually gone?
And if they do, where does it leave us believers? I mean it is the FBI?
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Hi Everyone
I'm not that clued up, but can these files then say that he is actually gone?
And if they do, where does it leave us believers? I mean it is the FBI?
I dunno. But seriously this is the FBI and we should probably look at this from a serious point of view for a change. Maybe he really is in witness protection hence the reason 343 pages of his file will remain confidential and not released. Maybe these contain information regarding this.
Don't know what to think. Just my thoughts that all. Every other documents, people can claim are fake, but documents the FBI are willing to release on their website would be legit.
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I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?
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I'm wondering if somebody could clear this up for me because i'm a bit confused, ok here goes...The FBI investigates violations of federal crimes (it also function as an intelligence agency) this being a crime that is either made illegal by U.S. federal legislation or a crime that occurs on U.S. federal property. For example, the child abuse claims fall under chapter 110 of the Title 18 of the United States Code (lists all federal crimes) so would it make sence that the FBI have files on Michael considering how many federal cases he has been involved in over the years? Feel free to correct me if i am wrong.
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I´m worried a bit :( at the moment
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I´m worried a bit :( at the moment
Me to :(
God I hate that feeling :x
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I just posted this in the breaking news section, so I guess that makes two threads ;)
Anyway I posted this with it:
I read this from another poster on a forum
There aren't going to be photos from any investigation in there. That kind of information is not publicly available via the FOIA. I have Elvis' FBI files and there is absolutely NOTHING revealing or scandalous in there AT ALL. And a LOT of information in ANY FBI files is redacted--which means they black it out, because it is illegal to reveal certain types of information if it violates the Privacy Act and any citizen's right to privacy. So I'd bet every dime I have (which, granted, is not a lot) that you will not hear of a darn thing revealed that creates shock or scandal where MJ is concerned. That's not the point of the files.
Many celebrities/famous people have FBI files. If they are victims of extortion attempts (like Elvis was), they will have a file. If there were threats of kidnapping or other serious threats against them (like death threats), they will have an FBI file. In Elvis' case, when his popularity mushroomed, many people thought he was a threat to national security...because of the way he moved and what it did to young girls! That kind of stuff was in there. The more famous a person is, the larger the files tend to be.
I don't see any reason to get all worried about what is in MJ's files. You might want to read this page for a plain explanation of what's in FBI files:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-fbi-file.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-fbi-file.htm)
The bolded part interested me, maybe it will reveal how much he was threatened and had to get away (looking at it from a hoax point of view)
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Hi Everyone
I'm not that clued up, but can these files then say that he is actually gone?
And if they do, where does it leave us believers? I mean it is the FBI?
I dunno. But seriously this is the FBI and we should probably look at this from a serious point of view for a change. Maybe he really is in witness protection hence the reason 343 pages of his file will remain confidential and not released. Maybe these contain information regarding this.
Don't know what to think. Just my thoughts that all. Every other documents, people can claim are fake, but documents the FBI are willing to release on their website would be legit.
Asa conspiracy theorist, H1N1 & NWO, I have always believed this was the case. Witness protection. I don't think he would have done this unless there was no other way out.
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Could the FBI be involved in it? I mean the FBI is always serious.
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Thanks a lot CHRISTIANA for the FBI tips.
Thanks XIRISJEX and HAPPY FEET for the links/infos.
I guess I have to wait a few days more and control my thoughts of going astray.
Thanks guys for your comments.
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You can request FBI files on any person, living or dead. But if the person is alive, you may not get access to much because then there is the Privacy Act to consider, which naturally protects a living person's rights to privacy.
Well, considering that half of the files will remain secret, I'm not going to worry too much because of them.
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Everything is very bewildering ...... I hate the feeling
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well i don't understand what the point to these files are?.. why would anyone want to look at someones life through FBI files.. its confuses me!!
i'll just wait till one of you guys does a summary on it all so i can understand it.. :)
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Are you starting to see the "big picture" yet? Everything is falling into place just as it should...
The truth will prevail.
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation will release 333 pages of Michael Jackson's formerly-classified file on Monday morning. Can we interest you in a little light reading?
The documents will relate to his 1993 and 2004 child molestation cases -- as well as any case Michael Jackson was the victim of ... including threats and extortion attempts. Nothing about Dr. Conrad Murray or Michael's death will be in the files.
Our guess -- the extortion attempts will be the most interesting."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... z0a9qT9fQQ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/#ixzz0a9qT9fQQ)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... -released/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/)
If you are confused, see Souza & Mo's "Michael Jackson's wake up call" post:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1634 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1634)
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Just to point out the "Michael was victim" and "Michael" without "Jackson" - as if they are not only turning 180° in their perception and restoring Michael's honor but have become close friends.
Citing:
[Michael Jackson's FBI File to be Released
Posted Dec 19th 2009 11:50AM by TMZ Staff
The Federal Bureau of Investigation will release 333 pages of Michael Jackson's formerly-classified file on Monday morning. Can we interest you in a little light reading?
The documents will relate to his 1993 and 2004 child molestation cases -- as well as any case Michael Jackson was the victim of ... including threats and extortion attempts. Nothing about Dr. Conrad Murray or Michael's death will be in the files.
Our guess -- the extortion attempts will be the most interesting.
The FBI did a similar thing back in October concerning files involving Anna Nicole Smith and a possible plot to kill the son of her 89-year-old husband, J. Howard Marshall II.]
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... z0a9pBk90J (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/#ixzz0a9pBk90J)
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Hello!!! excuse me mi english. The FBI files relased is about case of children "molestation" of 1993 and 2003, dont about death or hoax death.
Kiss at all!!!!!!!
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Grace, I'm glad to see that you understand this, too.
In peace...
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Thanks for putting in the request and sharing the feedback. I look forward to reading the lengthy file.
I had to smile at the first sentence of your post..." OK , I got a call from the FBI earlier this evening". I would have frozen in my tracks when someone on the other end of a phone said that he/she was with the FBI. :lol:
OK, I got a call from the FBI earlier this evening. Was on my way out the door so didn't have time to post at the time. But here's the info. Instead of having to write and request the files, and pay for the printing costs of the files, the FBI (by way of the Freedom of Information Act) is making the files available online sometime on December 22nd. Once they are up, you can download them, print them, save them. Here's what to do so you'll know, if you want to grab them once they're available.
Go to the FBI website at http://www.FBI.gov (http://www.FBI.gov)
Scroll down to the very bottom and click on the small text link that reads, Freedom of Information Act/Privacy.
On the next page, in the column on the right side, click on the link Hot Topics.
I assume the file link(s) will appear at the top of the Hot Topics page.
Hopefully their servers can handle the traffic that day! I'm just guessing here, but I imagine there was a lot of interest in those files, or else why would they bother posting them? They'd have to do a lot of printing, considering the files total nearly 600 pages, so they probably just don't want to bother. I really don't think there will be too much interesting in them (there sure wasn't in Elvis'). But hey, you never know, right? So it doesn't hurt to have a look and see.
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First time here. I hope these files will finally exonerate Michael and everyone will know that it was all about the $$$$$$.
One thing I find strange though, not sure if it has been mentioned yet. On the Jackson Family show there was a scene where Marlon was wearing a FBI cap. I thought then that was a strange cap to wear. Now MJ's files are being released by the FBI. A coincidence? Clue?
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Hello!!! excuse me mi english. The FBI files relased is about case of children "molestation" of 1993 and 2003, dont about death or hoax death.
Kiss at all!!!!!!!
yes but mjs reputation is being restored before he comes back does this make sense cause i am tired and my brain is jumbled :)
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Are you starting to see the "big picture" yet? Everything is falling into place just as it should...
The truth will prevail.
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation will release 333 pages of Michael Jackson's formerly-classified file on Monday morning. Can we interest you in a little light reading?
The documents will relate to his 1993 and 2004 child molestation cases -- as well as any case Michael Jackson was the victim of ... including threats and extortion attempts. Nothing about Dr. Conrad Murray or Michael's death will be in the files.
Our guess -- the extortion attempts will be the most interesting."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... z0a9qT9fQQ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/#ixzz0a9qT9fQQ)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... -released/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/)
If you are confused, see Souza & Mo's "Michael Jackson's wake up call" post:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1634 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1634)
TMZ are a bit behind here because the article in the examiner regarding Michaels FBI files was released earlier. Hence the reason for my concern here. It did not mention specifically that the files would only relate to the molestation cases as well as extortion attempts.TMZ only released that recently and since they are behind in the news, how do they know exactly what the FBI are releasing?
I didn't think that anything regarding the 1993 molestation accusations could be released due to confidentiality clauses, or anything regarding children that are minors for that matter. I think people are aware it wouldn't mention anything to do with this "supposed" ongoing investigation and Murray.
I'm not confused and I although I respect Souza & Mo's opinion regarding the "Wake up Call", I do not agree with it. I have and still do believe Michael did hoax his death for serious and legitmate reason.
FBI are about investigating Federal Crimes, not restoring someones honour.
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I noticed that hat too along with the shirts worn by other brothers that bore the country names of Bahrain and Ireland. The FBI hat was odd since that is not one that is regularly worn by everyday people.
The mystery continues...
First time here. I hope these files will finally exonerate Michael and everyone will know that it was all about the $$$$$$.
One thing I find strange though, not sure if it has been mentioned yet. On the Jackson Family show there was a scene where Marlon was wearing a FBI cap. I thought then that was a strange cap to wear. Now MJ's files are being released by the FBI. A coincidence? Clue?
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I have and still do believe Michael did hoax his death for serious and legitmate reason.
FBI are about investigating Federal Crimes, not restoring someones honour.
EXACTLY. I agree with you--I think it is for serious reasons, too. However, it is accomplishing BOTH. When the truth is exposed, it WILL restore Michael's honor. I don't see the issues being mutually exclusive. I believe this is playing out to achieve many different angles and objectives. There was no doubt a conspiracy, and when this all comes out, I think this is where the awakening, learning, (and hopefully change) begins, that Souza & Mo refer to.
It seems that we, and others, have already gotten a head's start on the lesson...and the mission.
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He had certainly the most intensive reasons to do this
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can someone please tell me preciously about this FBI Files seriously i m not getting it does it mean end of :cry: hoax????
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can someone please preciously about this FBI Files seriously i m not getting it does it mean end of hoax???? :cry:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... -released/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/)
read this
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Hello!!! excuse me mi english. The FBI files relased is about case of children "molestation" of 1993 and 2003, dont about death or hoax death.
Kiss at all!!!!!!!
yes but mjs reputation is being restored before he comes back does this make sense cause i am tired and my brain is jumbled :)
I thought something like, this thing can be to vindicate Michael and let everyone know that he was innocent about child molestation just before his comeback :D To prepare everyone for his comeback, step 1 :D
And it's getting clear to me that he's in the witness protection program and it is something serious that FBI in on it too. It can be about illuminati. That's what I feel :?
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thanksalot for tmz page , ok its about childmolestation case f i thought its about Dr murray and ongoing murder investigation ,Godbless you
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i am looking at it as a good thing we may be coming to the end of this journey
I really hope so... I can't take it much longer... ;)
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can someone please preciously about this FBI Files seriously i m not getting it does it mean end of hoax???? :cry:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... -released/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/)
read this
''Nothing about Dr. Conrad Murray or Michael's death will be in the files.''
That's positive, isn't it?
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can someone please preciously about this FBI Files seriously i m not getting it does it mean end of hoax???? :cry:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-j ... -released/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/)
read this
''Nothing about Dr. Conrad Murray or Michael's death will be in the files.''
That's positive, isn't it?
Absolutely
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Jackson died on June 25,2009 in Los Angeles County, and was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center.
Law enforcement agents have been investigating allegations that the Jackson had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants that may have contributed to his death at age 50. Law enforcement agencies including the federal Drug Enforcement Administration and California Attorney General Jerry Brown are helping Los Angeles police officers investigate the possible involvement of prescription drugs in Jackson's death.
Actually this part made me feel terrible. FBI is in this whole hoax thing so it means that
1-He's dead
2-He's in the witness protection program
But why did they give so many details like who is helping the LAPD etc.. I don't know but I can say that I'm NOT happy with this :cry:
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Im confused and dont know what to think right now. I wish someone would just put this in plain foreign-friendly english (english is not my native language) or write in baby talk for better understanding of what these papers really imply because my head is not catching up sorry.
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Im confused and dont know what to think right now. I wish someone would just put this in plain foreign-friendly english (english is not my native language) or write in baby talk for better understanding of what these papers really imply because my head is not catching up sorry.
DontBelieveTheHype, I'm not sure what is confusing you, but here is a simple summary of the entire situation.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is also called the FBI for short. It's a law enforcement agency in the United States that can investigate certain types of crimes all over the country. When people, including celebrities, are (1) accused of a crime or (2) become the victim of a crime that the FBI investigates, the FBI begins a file in that person's name.
The file includes documents about the FBI's investigation. If there's more than one investigation involving the same person, all of the documents go in the same file, no matter when the investigation happened. It also doesn't matter if the person is accused of a crime or if the person is the victim of a crime. Every document becomes part of the person's FBI file.
Michael has a file at the FBI because (1) he was accused in the two child molestation cases, (2) other people threatened him, and (3) other people threatened him to try and get money or something else from him. The third thing is called extortion. All three situations are cases that the FBI investigates.
On Tuesday, December 22, the FBI is going to make some parts of Michael's FBI file available to anyone who wants to see them. The agency is doing this because there is a United States law called the Freedom of Information Act. The law makes it possible for people to ask the FBI if they can see someone's FBI file. You have to ask to see the file because the FBI doesn't make its files public unless someone asks to see them.
The FBI doesn't have to let the public see information that is (1) of a sensitive nature or (2) would violate the subject's right to privacy if it were public. Sensitive could mean a lot of things, such as the information is important to another case the FBI is actively investigating. If the information in the person's file isn't sensitive or of a private nature, then the FBI allows the public to see it.
Michael's FBI file has 679 pages. The FBI is going to let the public see 333 of those pages on December 22. The other 343 pages are either sensitive or private in nature and that's why the FBI will not let the public see them.
TMZ says that the 333 pages the public will be able to see concern (1) the child molestation cases, (2) threats against Michael, and (3) attempts to extort something from Michael. We don't know what the other 343 pages are about and possibly never will.
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DontBelieveTheHype, I'm not sure what is confusing you, but here is a simple summary of the entire situation.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is also called the FBI for short. It's a law enforcement agency in the United States that can investigate certain types of crimes all over the country. When people, including celebrities, are (1) accused of a crime or (2) become the victim of a crime that the FBI investigates, the FBI begins a file in that person's name.
The file includes documents about the FBI's investigation. If there's more than one investigation involving the same person, all of the documents go in the same file, no matter when the investigation happened. It also doesn't matter if the person is accused of a crime or if the person is the victim of a crime. Every document becomes part of the person's FBI file.
Michael has a file at the FBI because (1) he was accused in the two child molestation cases, (2) other people threatened him, and (3) other people threatened him to try and get money or something else from him. The third thing is called extortion. All three situations are cases that the FBI investigates.
On Tuesday, December 22, the FBI is going to make some parts of Michael's FBI file available to anyone who wants to see them. The agency is doing this because there is a United States law called the Freedom of Information Act. The law makes it possible for people to ask the FBI if they can see someone's FBI file. You have to ask to see the file because the FBI doesn't make its files public unless someone asks to see them.
The FBI doesn't have to let the public see information that is (1) of a sensitive nature or (2) would violate the subject's right to privacy if it were public. Sensitive could mean a lot of things, such as the information is important to another case the FBI is actively investigating. If the information in the person's file isn't sensitive or of a private nature, then the FBI allows the public to see it.
Michael's FBI file has 679 pages. The FBI is going to let the public see 333 of those pages on December 22. The other 343 pages are either sensitive or private in nature and that's why the FBI will not let the public see them.
TMZ says that the 333 pages the public will be able to see concern (1) the child molestation cases, (2) threats against Michael, and (3) attempts to extort something from Michael. We don't know what the other 343 pages are about and possibly never will.
Lorrie, thank you so much for describing this for me. I understood everything when you typed it down like this. Im sorry if I come across as a ignorant person but sometimes Im just slow. Its hard to keep up with all these difficult words sometimes and the way its laid out. Court documents and stuff like that.. Thank you for taking your time to help me understand. Now I get it!
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Lorrie, thank you so much for describing this for me. I understood everything when you typed it down like this. Im sorry if I come across as a ignorant person but sometimes Im just slow. Its hard to keep up with all these difficult words sometimes and the way its laid out. Court documents and stuff like that.. Thank you for taking your time to help me understand. Now I get it!
You're quite welcome, DontBelieveTheHype. I'm glad I could help. It's easy to forget that every forum member isn't a native English speaker, especially when they write as well as you do in English. If you hadn't said that English wasn't your first language, I would have never guessed. You definitely had me fooled!
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You're quite welcome, DontBelieveTheHype. I'm glad I could help. It's easy to forget that every forum member isn't a native English speaker, especially when they write as well as you do in English. If you hadn't said that English wasn't your first language, I would have never guessed. You definitely had me fooled!
Aw Lorrie thats so sweet of you. I seem to have fooled alot of people on english speaking MJ forums. :lol: Im fortunate to have a really good english teacher in school and Im always up for learning the same kind of terms and words that you use in everyday speaking. I always aim to have the ability to speak in conversations as anyone else from America/England would, Im from Scandinavia. Im glad I could ask you for an easier translation of what this topic was even about.
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The examiner.com already has an article on this. The FBI is only releasing 333 pages of the report. There are 343 pages that remain classified and kept private.
Here's a link to the article. Please read.
Here's a snippet of the article. I'm not sure what to make of it :cry: :cry: :cry:
"Jackson died on June 25,2009 in Los Angeles County, and was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center.
Law enforcement agents have been investigating allegations that the Jackson had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants that may have contributed to his death at age 50. Law enforcement agencies including the federal Drug Enforcement Administration and California Attorney General Jerry Brown are helping Los Angeles police officers investigate the possible involvement of prescription drugs in Jackson's death."
http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Mu ... -Christmas (http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Music-Examiner~y2009m12d18-Michael-Jackson-FBI-file-to-be-declassified-before-Christmas)
im sorry but i thought the the drug propophol was the cause?? so this is a FALSE record
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I saw that other gal's info on the FBI files from MJJC too. She and I have talked. We both have Elvis' FBI files so have talked about that, and about MJ's of course. :)
All of you who are worried, I think you need to calm down. I'll just say this again, having said it before: MJ could very well be dead. I accept that, and frankly, I think every person here should accept that very real possibility. But at the same time, we all know the major inconsistencies and convoluted information surrounding MJ's "death." We all know he could also very well be alive. There is MUCH to suggest that is in fact the case.
Whatever is in the FBI files, it will not tell you he is alive and it will not tell you he is dead. You're not going to see a death certificate in there (that is NOT public information freely accessible via the invocation of the Freedom of Information Act, nor will it EVER be). There will be no autopsy photos. There will be no open casket photos. There will be nothing in there that would serve as proof that he is dead. And there will be nothing about the investigation into his "death" because that is NOT public information. And, if he is alive, there's not going to be ANYTHING in there that would prove that: no information on the Witness Protection Program. No information pointing to his location. Nothing whatsoever that would prove or even suggest that MJ is still alive and that his death was hoaxed, and/or that the FBI or CIA or any other government agency had ANYTHING to do with it.That's NOT what those files are about.
I will also say that when the FBI first replied to me in letter form, they told me that there are 591 pages in MJ's FBI file. I have this in writing. Their letter did not say that all 591 pages would be accessible or available, only that there are "591 pages which are potentially responsive" to my request. How many we will have access to, we will know for sure on December 22 when the files are available online.
I would also like to point out that just because MJ was involved in allegations of molestation, that does NOT mean that information linked to those allegations will appear in the FBI files. There is no way to know that for sure until the files are released. But considering that he was never formally charged in 1993, and signed a legal settlement with specific stipulations about confidentiality (for both parties), I would be very, VERY surprised if ANY of that information is in there. And even if it is, it is very, VERY likely that this information will be redacted (BLACKED OUT or completely removed), because otherwise it would violate the Privacy Act and the rights of all parties involved--which they CAN NOT DO!). And anything that happened in 2003 is already public record and readily available on the Internet, so there would be nothing new or earth-shattering in that regard.
Everyone just needs to chill out about the FBI files. They're obviously releasing them because there is such a demand for them. So by making them available for download it frees them from the task of photocopying those files every time any Tom, Dick, or Harry writes and asks for them. They'd have to hire people just to photocopy MJ's files on a regular basis, I'm sure. They don't want to be doing that!
I would be beyond surprised if there is ANYTHING in those files that is shocking or scandalous. In my mind, MJ was trashed every which way from Sunday pre-June 25th. There's nothing revelatory that could be exposed in those files that isn't already available for pubic consumption. And there's nothing that is going to prove that he's dead, anymore than there will be anything that will prove he's alive.
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I saw that other gal's info on the FBI files from MJJC too. She and I have talked. We both have Elvis' FBI files so have talked about that, and about MJ's of course. :)
All of you who are worried, I think you need to calm down. I'll just say this again, having said it before: MJ could very well be dead. I accept that, and frankly, I think every person here should accept that very real possibility. But at the same time, we all know the major inconsistencies and convoluted information surrounding MJ's "death." We all know he could also very well be alive. There is MUCH to suggest that is in fact the case.
Whatever is in the FBI files, it will not tell you he is alive and it will not tell you he is dead. You're not going to see a death certificate in there (that is NOT public information freely accessible via the invocation of the Freedom of Information Act, nor will it EVER be). There will be no autopsy photos. There will be no open casket photos. There will be nothing in there that would serve as proof that he is dead. And there will be nothing about the investigation into his "death" because that is NOT public information. And, if he is alive, there's not going to be ANYTHING in there that would prove that: no information on the Witness Protection Program. No information pointing to his location. Nothing whatsoever that would prove or even suggest that MJ is still alive and that his death was hoaxed, and/or that the FBI or CIA or any other government agency had ANYTHING to do with it.That's NOT what those files are about.
I will also say that when the FBI first replied to me in letter form, they told me that there are 591 pages in MJ's FBI file. I have this in writing. Their letter did not say that all 591 pages would be accessible or available, only that there are "591 pages which are potentially responsive" to my request. How many we will have access to, we will know for sure on December 22 when the files are available online.
I would also like to point out that just because MJ was involved in allegations of molestation, that does NOT mean that information linked to those allegations will appear in the FBI files. There is no way to know that for sure until the files are released. But considering that he was never formally charged in 1993, and signed a legal settlement with specific stipulations about confidentiality (for both parties), I would be very, VERY surprised if ANY of that information is in there. And even if it is, it is very, VERY likely that this information will be redacted (BLACKED OUT or completely removed), because otherwise it would violate the Privacy Act and the rights of all parties involved--which they CAN NOT DO!). And anything that happened in 2003 is already public record and readily available on the Internet, so there would be nothing new or earth-shattering in that regard.
Everyone just needs to chill out about the FBI files. They're obviously releasing them because there is such a demand for them. So by making them available for download it frees them from the task of photocopying those files every time any Tom, Dick, or Harry writes and asks for them. They'd have to hire people just to photocopy MJ's files on a regular basis, I'm sure. They don't want to be doing that!
I would be beyond surprised if there is ANYTHING in those files that is shocking or scandalous. In my mind, MJ was trashed every which way from Sunday pre-June 25th. There's nothing revelatory that could be exposed in those files that isn't already available for pubic consumption. And there's nothing that is going to prove that he's dead, anymore than there will be anything that will prove he's alive.
Thank you very much for settling that :D I do mean that sincerely ;)
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Thank you so much Christiana for your very clear explanation ( English is not my native language.)
I guess we just have to wait till the 22th and read a lot then (Well it keeps me of the street right :lol: )
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I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?
Same here. I really don't want perhaps proof that he probably is dead. That would be devastating for us all.
How can they release these files when there has been no court case yet?
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Thanks for providing the layout of what to expect. I have never had a reason to make such a request so I was unaware that it was something that the average person could do. Your points are well taken since it is highly unlikely that the FBI would provide random citizens with top secret information. As most people should understand that level of information is on a need-to-know basis. Mjs fans aren't on the need-to-know list.
I saw that other gal's info on the FBI files from MJJC too. She and I have talked. We both have Elvis' FBI files so have talked about that, and about MJ's of course. :)
All of you who are worried, I think you need to calm down. I'll just say this again, having said it before: MJ could very well be dead. I accept that, and frankly, I think every person here should accept that very real possibility. But at the same time, we all know the major inconsistencies and convoluted information surrounding MJ's "death." We all know he could also very well be alive. There is MUCH to suggest that is in fact the case.
Whatever is in the FBI files, it will not tell you he is alive and it will not tell you he is dead. You're not going to see a death certificate in there (that is NOT public information freely accessible via the invocation of the Freedom of Information Act, nor will it EVER be). There will be no autopsy photos. There will be no open casket photos. There will be nothing in there that would serve as proof that he is dead. And there will be nothing about the investigation into his "death" because that is NOT public information. And, if he is alive, there's not going to be ANYTHING in there that would prove that: no information on the Witness Protection Program. No information pointing to his location. Nothing whatsoever that would prove or even suggest that MJ is still alive and that his death was hoaxed, and/or that the FBI or CIA or any other government agency had ANYTHING to do with it.That's NOT what those files are about.
I will also say that when the FBI first replied to me in letter form, they told me that there are 591 pages in MJ's FBI file. I have this in writing. Their letter did not say that all 591 pages would be accessible or available, only that there are "591 pages which are potentially responsive" to my request. How many we will have access to, we will know for sure on December 22 when the files are available online.
I would also like to point out that just because MJ was involved in allegations of molestation, that does NOT mean that information linked to those allegations will appear in the FBI files. There is no way to know that for sure until the files are released. But considering that he was never formally charged in 1993, and signed a legal settlement with specific stipulations about confidentiality (for both parties), I would be very, VERY surprised if ANY of that information is in there. And even if it is, it is very, VERY likely that this information will be redacted (BLACKED OUT or completely removed), because otherwise it would violate the Privacy Act and the rights of all parties involved--which they CAN NOT DO!). And anything that happened in 2003 is already public record and readily available on the Internet, so there would be nothing new or earth-shattering in that regard.
Everyone just needs to chill out about the FBI files. They're obviously releasing them because there is such a demand for them. So by making them available for download it frees them from the task of photocopying those files every time any Tom, Dick, or Harry writes and asks for them. They'd have to hire people just to photocopy MJ's files on a regular basis, I'm sure. They don't want to be doing that!
I would be beyond surprised if there is ANYTHING in those files that is shocking or scandalous. In my mind, MJ was trashed every which way from Sunday pre-June 25th. There's nothing revelatory that could be exposed in those files that isn't already available for pubic consumption. And there's nothing that is going to prove that he's dead, anymore than there will be anything that will prove he's alive.
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I'm intrigued. I've marked it on my calender. :geek:
I do hope we get a more comprehensive look at all the Ish Michael has been through, even if we already know most of it. It will be interesting to get the information from the perpective of the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI).
Learning about Michael and all he has been thought has really open my heart, and made me respect him more and more. :oops:
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Aw Lorrie thats so sweet of you. I seem to have fooled alot of people on english speaking MJ forums. :lol: Im fortunate to have a really good english teacher in school and Im always up for learning the same kind of terms and words that you use in everyday speaking. I always aim to have the ability to speak in conversations as anyone else from America/England would, Im from Scandinavia. Im glad I could ask you for an easier translation of what this topic was even about.
Again, no problem, DontBelieveTheHype. Your teacher must be excellent because you really do use a lot of everyday colloquial expressions in English correctly, which is very difficult to do when you're not fluent in a language. I have two degrees in Linguistics and years of experience studying quite a few languages, but I can only pull that off in a couple of them. Kudos to you!
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I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?
Same here. I really don't want perhaps proof that he probably is dead. That would be devastating for us all.
How can they release these files when there has been no court case yet?
If you read my previous posts on this, I've already answered your question. The FBI files have NOTHING to do with the investigation into MJ's "death." There will be no information on that in there.
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So the FBI were carrying out there own separate investigations into federal crimes that a)Michael supposedly was accused of or b) attempts of crimes against him. It'll be interesting to compare the findings from the FBI with the court findings (if it's possible to even compare the two) I have access to law database and have been reading up on cases brought against Michael some of the stuff is so stupid it made me cry with laughter. Because im not a tease , i'll give you an example
United States District Court,
E.D. Louisiana.
Joseph Thomas BARTUCCI, Jr.
Versus
Michael J. JACKSON.
Civil Action No. 04-2977
This case arises out of events that allegedly took place between May 19 and 27, 1984. Plaintiff Joseph Bartucci alleges that, while Defendant Michael Jackson was in New Orleans for a concert, Mr. Jackson and his representatives falsely imprisoned
Mr. Bartucci and transported him to California. During that period, Mr. Bartucci alleges
that Mr. Jackson sexually assaulted him repeatedly, both in Mr. Jackson's limousine and in an unknown building in California. In particular,Mr. Bartucci alleges that Defendant and his agents inflicted a wide range of abuse and violence upon him, including allegations that the Plaintiff was cut with razor blades, jabbed with steel wires, bitten, and drugged, and that his head was beaten on concrete by one of Mr. Jackson's
bodyguards. Mr. Bartucci claims he has suffered severe and debilitating physical and psychological injuries due to these events, and has brought claims for assault, battery, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.Mr. Bartucci alleges that his claims survive prescription.
Mr. Bartucci alleges that, due to repressed memories, he had no knowledge of the
1984 events until November 29, 2003. In 2003, Mr. Bartucci recalled what had allegedly
happened to him as he watched a Court TV special regarding Mr. Jackson's recent trial in California.Thus, Mr. Bartucci argues that because of his repressed memories he suffered under a disability and was rendered incapable of bringing suit.
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Thats a pretty quick release date isn't it, considering there's supposed to be an ongoing homicide investigation? I'm not to familiar with how the FBI release works, but according to the link you posted, they only released Anna Nicole Smiths files this year and she passed away 2 years ago.
Maybe this is a good thing yes/no?
I'm sure it was due to demand. It's just easier to do it this way. I know that whenever I've filed for papers using FOIA it's taken quite a while but multitudes of people weren't filing for the same paperwork as I.
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I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?
Same here. I really don't want perhaps proof that he probably is dead. That would be devastating for us all.
How can they release these files when there has been no court case yet?
This doesn't have anything to do with that.
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this is the UK interpritation of it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... reats.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1237342/FBI-release-Michael-Jackson-files-child-abuse-inquiries-death-threats.html)
they said with john lennons file they made a book and a film from it.. :shock:
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FBI Delays Release of MJ Extortion Documents
Posted December 21 by TMZ Staff
The FBI will not release Michael Jackson documents relating to the molestation investigations as well as extortion attempts -- at least not today.
The 333 pages of formerly-classified documents were supposed to be released today but the snow in Washington D.C. has caused a delay of at least one day.
As for what's in the documents ... sources tell TMZ during the 1993 Michael Jackson child molestation investigation, the late great Johnnie Cochran contacted the FBI, claiming the accuser's family was trying to extort money from Jackson with false allegations. It's likely Cochran's contact with the agency will show up when the documents are released.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0aLiFVeVO (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0aLiFVeVO)
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I'm not surprised...
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:lol: OH MY GOD DELAYED BY SNOW :lol:
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This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.
It is a bad dream!!
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This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.
It is a bad dream!!
:lol: NO ITS A BLOODY NIGHTMARE :lol: :lol:
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This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.
It is a bad dream!!
:lol: NO ITS A BLOODY NIGHTMARE :lol: :lol:
Ohh thanks I was not able to express myself so nicely because I don't speak English.
I am just trying...
I will learn that language from this site?? :D
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This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.
It is a bad dream!!
:lol: NO ITS A BLOODY NIGHTMARE :lol: :lol:
Ohh thanks I was not able to express myself so nicely because I don't speak English.
I am just trying...
I will learn that language from this site?? :D
:lol: NO PROBLEM I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE 19 HOURS YOUR ENGLISH IS GOOD DONT WORRY
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BTW, I find the title of TMZ's latest article interesting. Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".
The truth will prevail...
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Hmmm it sounds as though Mr Bartucci might have been hanging out in the New Orleans French Quarter on Bourbon Street and having a fair share of Hurricane drinks when he contrived this tale. Nice try Mr Bartucci.
So the FBI were carrying out there own separate investigations into federal crimes that a)Michael supposedly was accused of or b) attempts of crimes against him. It'll be interesting to compare the findings from the FBI with the court findings (if it's possible to even compare the two) I have access to law database and have been reading up on cases brought against Michael some of the stuff is so stupid it made me cry with laughter. Because im not a tease , i'll give you an example
United States District Court,
E.D. Louisiana.
Joseph Thomas BARTUCCI, Jr.
Versus
Michael J. JACKSON.
Civil Action No. 04-2977
This case arises out of events that allegedly took place between May 19 and 27, 1984. Plaintiff Joseph Bartucci alleges that, while Defendant Michael Jackson was in New Orleans for a concert, Mr. Jackson and his representatives falsely imprisoned
Mr. Bartucci and transported him to California. During that period, Mr. Bartucci alleges
that Mr. Jackson sexually assaulted him repeatedly, both in Mr. Jackson's limousine and in an unknown building in California. In particular,Mr. Bartucci alleges that Defendant and his agents inflicted a wide range of abuse and violence upon him, including allegations that the Plaintiff was cut with razor blades, jabbed with steel wires, bitten, and drugged, and that his head was beaten on concrete by one of Mr. Jackson's
bodyguards. Mr. Bartucci claims he has suffered severe and debilitating physical and psychological injuries due to these events, and has brought claims for assault, battery, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.Mr. Bartucci alleges that his claims survive prescription.
Mr. Bartucci alleges that, due to repressed memories, he had no knowledge of the
1984 events until November 29, 2003. In 2003, Mr. Bartucci recalled what had allegedly
happened to him as he watched a Court TV special regarding Mr. Jackson's recent trial in California.Thus, Mr. Bartucci argues that because of his repressed memories he suffered under a disability and was rendered incapable of bringing suit.
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Look what I find
A secret FBI file about Michael Jackson is to be released.
Around half of the 679-page document is set to be declassified within the next two days.
The files contain information about the late Thriller singer's extensive lawsuits and information about his 1993 and 2004 child molestation investigations.
"People are still questioning many things about the private life of this secretive pop star. Jackson was an enigma and lived in riches and a lifestyle unlike anyone since Elvis Presley.
"This dossier is an incredibly important key to understanding what happened behind closed doors, and may help the world better understand Michael," a source said.
Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.
Two cameras were placed on the plane, which was taking Jackson to hand himself over for police questioning.
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However, some parts of the document will remain hidden - including information relating to his death earlier this year - as it is part of an ongoing inquiry.
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Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".
The truth will prevail...
Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.
I am loving this. The truth will finally prevail!!! The only reason this would get the attention would be to set a death hoax. Unfortunatley this is true. People would not pay attention to the truth unless Michael ''died''. He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve when making this death hoax. The truth is coming out... Soon.. Very soon...
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Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".
The truth will prevail...
Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.
[b]I am loving this. The truth will finally prevail!!![/b] The only reason this would get the attention would be to set a death hoax. Unfortunatley this is true. People would not pay attention to the truth unless Michael ''died''. He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve when making this death hoax. The truth is coming out... Soon.. Very soon...[/quote]
INDEED!!!
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Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".
The truth will prevail...
Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.
I am loving this. The truth will finally prevail!!! The only reason this would get the attention would be to set a death hoax. Unfortunatley this is true. People would not pay attention to the truth unless Michael ''died''. He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve when making this death hoax. The truth is coming out... Soon.. Very soon...
INDEED!!!
YES YES YES. Why else would they release these now? And if Michael really died, why not release his death investigation papers? There are no such papers.
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Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".
The truth will prevail...
Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.
I am loving this. The truth will finally prevail!!! The only reason this would get the attention would be to set a death hoax. Unfortunatley this is true. People would not pay attention to the truth unless Michael ''died''. He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve when making this death hoax. The truth is coming out... Soon.. Very soon...
YES YES YES. Why else would they release these now? And if Michael really died, why not release his death investigation papers? There are no such papers.
The investigations are still ongoing, aren't they? And is the FBI involved? I don't think they could release something, that hasn't come to an end, yet.
And of course they can't release anything that's not there :D
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THE FBI FILES WILL NOT CONTAIN INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION!!!!!
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LOL, this forum would be so much better if people actually read all the posts in the threads they comment on. :lol:
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LOL, this forum would be so much better if people actually read all the posts in the threads they comment on. :lol:
Totally agree. But what can you do besides get used to it? It's the same way in many other forums.
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LOL, this forum would be so much better if people actually read all the posts in the threads they comment on. :lol:
Geez, I TOTALLY agree! Some threads have 100 posts, and 50 of them might be repeats of things that have already been said, more than once. There has only been one thread I posted in where I did not read the entire thread first...but even then I went back later and read them all. How else do you LEARN anything? How else do you keep track of information in this investigation? What's the point of posting in a thread that you haven't read...it means you're potentially missing out on some AMAZING, FASCINATING, or ENLIGHTENING information?! :x
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Today the dutch telegraph reports that the FBI will not release the reports. Reason behind it are the bad weather circumstances. Due to some heavy snow fall the documents could not be transported...
Just some other bullshit or another coincidence :?:
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Today the dutch telegraph reports that the FBI will not release the reports. Reason behind it are the bad weather circumstances. Due to some heavy snow fall the documents could not be transported...
Just some other bullshit or another coincidence :?:
I don't see how the bad weather will prevent the files from being released online. They don't need to transport them to publish them on the Web. However the weather could have caused some issues, and someone else did post another story about the weather delay. But the files will get released, sooner or later, one way or another.
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I wonder if MJ has something to do with this. I wonder if this is another clue to the hoex. They said it would release the death threads. Remember the song "Threatened was used at the end of Thriller. This is happening before the 25th.
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Today the dutch telegraph reports that the FBI will not release the reports. Reason behind it are the bad weather circumstances. Due to some heavy snow fall the documents could not be transported...
Just some other bullshit or another coincidence :?:
I don't see how the bad weather will prevent the files from being released online.
Well look at it this way, the whole world is going crazy about the weather condition.
Thats not what they want. The attention has to go to the report so the world can go crazy about that ;)
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Today the dutch telegraph reports that the FBI will not release the reports. Reason behind it are the bad weather circumstances. Due to some heavy snow fall the documents could not be transported...
Just some other bullshit or another coincidence :?:
It seems that in this case things are always being canceled or postponed. :?
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Okay they released it: tmz.com
"Someone threatened to kill Michael Jackson, and then-President George H.W. Bush, according to FBI documents just released."
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Someone threatened to kill Michael Jackson, and then-President George H.W. Bush, according to FBI documents just released.
Someone wrote a letter on July 6, 1992, that the FBI obtained, stating, "I decided that because nobody is taking me serious, and I can't handle my state of mind, that I am going to Washington D.C. to threaten to kill the President of the United States, George Bush."
It goes on ..."Michael [Jackson] I will personally attempt to kill, if he doesn't pay me my money."
One of the documents, written by the L.A. City Attorney's office, indicated on June 22, 1992, the author of the letter "arrives in Calif at Jackson's . Threatens to kill."
TMZ...
Thats sad... First allegations of molestation and then a death threat. :( I wonder if this man was ever identified.. Probably not.
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Here's more:
The person who threatened to kill Michael Jackson unless he got money also threatened to slaughter people at a Michael Jackson concert, according to documents just released by the FBI .. and it all appears to be a scheme to get a woman to notice him.
The person who wrote the threatening letters says, "I'll commit mass murder at a Michael Jackson concert if necessary, in an attempt to murder Michael, then you will have to deal with my situation in the public eye."
It appears from the letters the writer wants mobster John Gotti to fork over money and if he doesn't ... the writer threatens to kill Michael.
The person who wrote the letters appears to be obsessed with a woman and is making these threats to get her attention. Some of the letters were written to newspapers. He says, "I'm 33 years old and never had a real relationship in my life. I can't even slow dance."
The man was arrested on May 22, 1992 outside the White House. He was released on June 4, 1992, and one day later made threats to kill Michael Jackson.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-j ... extortion/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-jackson-fbi-files-death-threat-woman-kill-extortion/)
Follow-up:
The man who threatened to kill Michael Jackson believed he was married to Janet Jackson -- and law enforcement sources tell TMZ it was Janet that the man was obsessed over.
A law enforcement source tells TMZ the man also made threats to kill Janet and even showed up at the Jackson family home in Encino.
In his rambling letters, the man -- Frank Paul Jones -- says "The situation ... is centered around her confused sexuality." He goes on to say if she does not "overcome" her issue over sexuality, "I'm gonna try to kill every homosexual on the face of the earth. If I can't save my wife, they can't be saved."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-j ... aul-jones/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-jackson-janet-jackson-stalker-threat-gays-homosexual-frank-paul-jones/)
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just saw that on tmz and was coming over here to post it! does anyone know where we can get the FBI files from?
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just saw that on tmz and was coming over here to post it! does anyone know where we can get the FBI files from?
Here's the link:
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
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Geesh. It looks like the FBI was on a witch hunt, too.
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just saw that on tmz and was coming over here to post it! does anyone know where we can get the FBI files from?
Here's the link:
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
and you see Michael JOE Jackson... ;)
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and you see Michael JOE Jackson... ;)
But when you click on the link for the files, the website then says "Michael JOSEPH Jackson"
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/jackson_michael.htm (http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/jackson_michael.htm)
VERY Weird!
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just saw that on tmz and was coming over here to post it! does anyone know where we can get the FBI files from?
Here's the link:
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html)
and you see Michael JOE Jackson... ;)
but here you see Michael Joseph again...:
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/jackson_michael.htm (http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/jackson_michael.htm)
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More from the FBI File:
Authorities in the small California town where Michael Jackson stood trial for alleged molestation feared the venue might become a "soft target" for terrorists .. this according to docs just released by the FBI.
According to documents, Santa Maria police asked the FBI to get involved because the "worldwide media coverage" could prove irresistible to terror groups.
The FBI investigated and concluded there was no credible threat, but did note the presence of a "New Black Panther Party" member at Jackson's first court hearing.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-j ... nta-maria/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-jackson-fbi-terrorism-plot-santa-maria/)