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Title: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: scorpionchik on January 06, 2011, 08:15:48 PM
I am watching The Joy Behar Show, where physician, the guy from Access Hollywood and Mark Geragos discussing prelim hearing. The physician said MJ could not inject himself judging by described circumstances. Mark said he thinks case may go to trial, BUT THE DEFENSE HAS PREPARED SURPRISE at the end.  I wonder.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 06, 2011, 08:20:02 PM
I'm sure....

B A M!!!!!
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on January 06, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
I feel the same way. BAM AND DOUBLE BAM. ELVIS WILL COME OUT TOO  :lol:
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: TrueBeLIEver1981 on January 06, 2011, 10:15:26 PM
This could be anything that is considered a surprise. But when does the actual trial start? Are we going to have to wait another year for the trial?  :o
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 06, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
Now, wouldn't that be the craps if Murray was MJ in disguise! ha ha ha. Just like in ghosts---no one is the wiser!!!!
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: Guest on January 06, 2011, 10:18:08 PM
I don't believe he knows about the hoax, i could be wrong though!
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: cin_pyt on January 06, 2011, 10:51:22 PM
Connie's belly is a suit and at the end it's MJ or some other guy disguised as Connie paid by MJ. Now, the defense has proof Murray didn't kill Michael Jackson wot?? The man himself walking and moving. That be wonderful now plz let it be!!! Remember at the end all will be revealed we've heard of em all saying that.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: MJsFan4Ever on January 06, 2011, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
I feel the same way. BAM AND DOUBLE BAM. ELVIS WILL COME OUT TOO  :lol:
:lol: This would be AMAZING! The two KINGS! :D
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 06, 2011, 11:55:23 PM
Thanks for posting this article.....just what I needed ...some hope.  God Bless
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 07, 2011, 12:49:56 AM
Oh Please let MJ be the surprise and Elvis...BAM...and...BAM.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: robd on January 07, 2011, 06:02:37 AM
Now that would be truly awesome ... just imagine that!!!  :o Andy Kaufman may be coming back this year too, after hoaxing his death 26 years ago!
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: whatyourheartsays on January 07, 2011, 07:23:50 AM
They take risk making such statement. They drag attention to themselves and if nothing happens it will just be forgotten...

Lot of people did so during this adventure... say something that would make us think something is about to happen and then nothing and people just let it flow and move to the next pretender.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: taty_2crazy on January 07, 2011, 08:34:46 AM
Might this be the big BAM ,that would be awesome. ;)
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: encino_girl on January 07, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
I am watching The Joy Behar Show, where physician, the guy from Access Hollywood and Mark Geragos discussing prelim hearing. The physician said MJ could not inject himself judging by described circumstances. Mark said he thinks case may go to trial, BUT THE DEFENSE HAS PREPARED SURPRISE at the end.  I wonder.

Unless he's working with the defense, how can he know? Has Chernoff called him up and said, "Hey Mark! This is Ed. Guess what? This is what we're going to do before the trial concludes. By the way, pay no attention to attorney/client privilege. Just make sure you tell this on national television."

Geragos is an attention whore.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: gwynned on January 07, 2011, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: "encino_girl"
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
I am watching The Joy Behar Show, where physician, the guy from Access Hollywood and Mark Geragos discussing prelim hearing. The physician said MJ could not inject himself judging by described circumstances. Mark said he thinks case may go to trial, BUT THE DEFENSE HAS PREPARED SURPRISE at the end.  I wonder.

Unless he's working with the defense, how can he know? Has Chernoff called him up and said, "Hey Mark! This is Ed. Guess what? This is what we're going to do before the trial concludes. By the way, pay no attention to attorney/client privilege. Just make sure you tell this on national television."

Geragos is an attention whore.

Seems to me another part of the circus act.  If the defense had a surprise and this were a real trial, would they be so foolish as to ruin the surprise well ahead of a trial?  Looked on Wikipedia and he has an interesting history, including representing MJ at the onset of the molestation charges.  He's now investigating Carradine's death, which seems to be one of those extraordinary celebrity deaths.  I think he may be working with the defense, or at least aware of the hoax and is playing his role.  As a seasoned attorney, I doubt that he would indiscrimately voice an opinion about a subject unless he had good reason.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on January 07, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: "encino_girl"
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
I am watching The Joy Behar Show, where physician, the guy from Access Hollywood and Mark Geragos discussing prelim hearing. The physician said MJ could not inject himself judging by described circumstances. Mark said he thinks case may go to trial, BUT THE DEFENSE HAS PREPARED SURPRISE at the end.  I wonder.

Unless he's working with the defense, how can he know? Has Chernoff called him up and said, "Hey Mark! This is Ed. Guess what? This is what we're going to do before the trial concludes. By the way, pay no attention to attorney/client privilege. Just make sure you tell this on national television."

Geragos is an attention whore.

exactly my thought...

He knows nothing and is only seeking for attention and fame

no wonder he was let go at the 2005 trial
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: encino_girl on January 07, 2011, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: "gwynned"
Quote from: "encino_girl"
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
I am watching The Joy Behar Show, where physician, the guy from Access Hollywood and Mark Geragos discussing prelim hearing. The physician said MJ could not inject himself judging by described circumstances. Mark said he thinks case may go to trial, BUT THE DEFENSE HAS PREPARED SURPRISE at the end.  I wonder.

Unless he's working with the defense, how can he know? Has Chernoff called him up and said, "Hey Mark! This is Ed. Guess what? This is what we're going to do before the trial concludes. By the way, pay no attention to attorney/client privilege. Just make sure you tell this on national television."

Geragos is an attention whore.

Seems to me another part of the circus act.  If the defense had a surprise and this were a real trial, would they be so foolish as to ruin the surprise well ahead of a trial?  Looked on Wikipedia and he has an interesting history, including representing MJ at the onset of the molestation charges.  He's now investigating Carradine's death, which seems to be one of those extraordinary celebrity deaths.  I think he may be working with the defense, or at least aware of the hoax and is playing his role.  As a seasoned attorney, I doubt that he would indiscrimately voice an opinion about a subject unless he had good reason.


Oh, he has a good reason alright. His reason is to say "Woo hoo! Look at me! I'm Mark Geragos!" I promise you this, the man is a pompous bloviator. He's looking for any opportunity to see his name in lights again.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 07, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
I don't know if this could be possible, but I am wondering if Murray and Michael signed an agreement/disclaimer saying that Murray cannot be held accountable if something happened to Michael as a result of the propofol injections.  I also don't know if it would hold up in court, but the thought came to mind today.  Come to think of it, I wonder why they didn't do that.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: encino_girl on January 07, 2011, 08:09:13 PM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
I don't know if this could be possible, but I am wondering if Murray and Michael signed an agreement/disclaimer saying that Murray cannot be held accountable if something happened to Michael as a result of the propofol injections.  I also don't know if it would hold up in court, but the thought came to mind today.  Come to think of it, I wonder why they didn't do that.

Damn good point!
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 07, 2011, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
I don't know if this could be possible, but I am wondering if Murray and Michael signed an agreement/disclaimer saying that Murray cannot be held accountable if something happened to Michael as a result of the propofol injections.  I also don't know if it would hold up in court, but the thought came to mind today.  Come to think of it, I wonder why they didn't do that.

If he is a doctor, he is always held accountable when a patient dies because he was reckless. It's not like my doc can prescribe me dangerous meds I don't even need and let me sign an agreement so that if I die, he's not to blame. He is the doctor, I have no medical background and I can be an addict. It's his job to cure and help people, not to just prescribe everything the patients want. He would lose his job anyway and would still be prosecuted. At least that is how it works here and I don't think it's different in the US.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 07, 2011, 11:09:24 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
I don't know if this could be possible, but I am wondering if Murray and Michael signed an agreement/disclaimer saying that Murray cannot be held accountable if something happened to Michael as a result of the propofol injections.  I also don't know if it would hold up in court, but the thought came to mind today.  Come to think of it, I wonder why they didn't do that.

If he is a doctor, he is always held accountable when a patient dies because he was reckless. It's not like my doc can prescribe me dangerous meds I don't even need and let me sign an agreement so that if I die, he's not to blame. He is the doctor, I have no medical background and I can be an addict. It's his job to cure and help people, not to just prescribe everything the patients want. He would lose his job anyway and would still be prosecuted. At least that is how it works here and I don't think it's different in the US.


Yes, I figure that even if they had an agreement, it wouldn't hold up in court, especially since propofol isn't something that should be administered as a sleep aid in a private residence without the proper monitoring equipment.  I was just thinking of potential "surprises" from the defense.  Geragos may not really know what's going on though anyway.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: RunFaYaLife on January 08, 2011, 01:15:49 AM
Quote
I am watching The Joy Behar Show, where physician, the guy from Access Hollywood and Mark Geragos discussing prelim hearing. The physician said MJ could not inject himself judging by described circumstances. Mark said he thinks case may go to trial, BUT THE DEFENSE HAS PREPARED SURPRISE at the end. I wonder.

JMO...but the pretrial hearings have yielded  some shock and awe moments already....for me anyway.
I think they have already [and it has just started] presented enough evidence to
bring this thing to trial.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: curls on January 08, 2011, 01:30:30 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
I don't know if this could be possible, but I am wondering if Murray and Michael signed an agreement/disclaimer saying that Murray cannot be held accountable if something happened to Michael as a result of the propofol injections.  I also don't know if it would hold up in court, but the thought came to mind today.  Come to think of it, I wonder why they didn't do that.

If he is a doctor, he is always held accountable when a patient dies because he was reckless. It's not like my doc can prescribe me dangerous meds I don't even need and let me sign an agreement so that if I die, he's not to blame. He is the doctor, I have no medical background and I can be an addict. It's his job to cure and help people, not to just prescribe everything the patients want. He would lose his job anyway and would still be prosecuted. At least that is how it works here and I don't think it's different in the US.

Interesting. You do have to sign a consent form before being anaesthetised before an operation, (at least we do in the UK) supposedly to cover the hospital if anything goes wrong. Should the same have applied if MJ was being anaesthetised for sleep?  I say yes!  Now there's something else for Murray to prove - that he wasn't giving MJ Propofol without his consent, therefore against his will.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 08, 2011, 10:13:50 AM
I always wondered about disclaimers signed.  Every time I go to have treatments done, i have to sign disclaimers, stating that I acknowledge side effects and that I am aware of associated dangers etc.  You even have to do that for dental/oral surgery.  So, IF the whole thing is true, he probably would have signed disclaimers to get Murray to engage in this dangerous administration of a drug outside recommended use.  
However, I doubt the whole thing is legit, and here is why: Propofol would NOT have made Michael sleep in a restful way. There is no REM sleep, and thus no rest.  Even if Michael tried propofol in the 90s as was reported, he would have figured that out really quickly.  So, why bother injecting it IF you're still as tired after it as before?  Also, long term effects include loss of coordination and balance/movement disorders.  So, you are telling me, that Michael, who was known for his meticulousness researching things, and for trying to live as healthy as possible when possible for him, would risk his dancing ability? That he would risk everything for a drug that does not give you rest, can lead to balance problems, ... For what?
Also, disclaimers might not hold up in court anyway and can be challenged, esp. if it can be proven that the person was impaired when signing (which he would have been had he truly been addicted to drugs, which I don't buy).
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: MeandMyShadow on January 09, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Now, wouldn't that be the craps if Murray was MJ in disguise! ha ha ha. Just like in ghosts---no one is the wiser!!!!


That is so weird.  I was thinking that very same thing this morning.  But, Murray looks a lot taller than MJ.  As far as Geragos knowing or not knowing about the hoax, well, he is probably friends or at least knows Tom Mezarro (not sure I spelled that name correctly)  I'm sure that TM knows of the hoax.  

One of the reasons I thought perhaps it could be MJ, was that TMZ news of Murray buying a balloon for a little kid.  Just sounds like something MJ would do.  And, that vidoe that Murray made quite a while ago.  But the makeup looks too good to be not real, at least for me it does.  I know the makeup in Ghost was good, but ...I don't think so (lol)  Or is it/  :o
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: nefari on January 09, 2011, 05:20:05 PM
Please please stop thinking just because Murray is taller that it is impossible for him to be Michael. I don't know how many times I have said it. Michael has played around with tall shoes and insoles etc... since he was very young and he is the inventor of the Smooth Criminal anti gravity shoes. Let's not forget this. You can always do taller just not shorter unless like the hobbits in LOTR by illusion in the movies etc...
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: puremind on January 09, 2011, 06:34:27 PM
yes, disclaimers, i am sure they thought about it, in case of a hoax. at least some little tiny detail in Murray's favor must have been staged before. maybe this will be the surprise at the end.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: scorpionchik on January 09, 2011, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Now, wouldn't that be the craps if Murray was MJ in disguise! ha ha ha. Just like in ghosts---no one is the wiser!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 09, 2011, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Please please stop thinking just because Murray is taller that it is impossible for him to be Michael. I don't know how many times I have said it. Michael has played around with tall shoes and insoles etc... since he was very young and he is the inventor of the Smooth Criminal anti gravity shoes. Let's not forget this. You can always do taller just not shorter unless like the hobbits in LOTR by illusion in the movies etc...

It's not so much the height as the eyes and the hands.  But hey, in this thing- I won't say anything is impossible anymore.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: tonydub on January 09, 2011, 09:38:51 PM
I don't think there will be a BAM during any prelims or the trial.
I'm not sure if it's illegal or not to waste our legal system's time when they could be working on legit stuff.
Surely there's some law pertaining to disrupting the justice system or something?
The only way this could work is if the whole court room preceedings and everything are staged, and everyone from the lawyers to the judge (to the Jury, if/when it goes to trial) are paid actors.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: puremind on January 09, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
The Honorable Michael Pastor is a very real judge. "It is established that the position of a Judge or Magistrate is incompatible with any employment, position, profession or any other kind of activity that may affect the
appropriate performance of their duties at the court.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: suspicious mind on January 09, 2011, 10:08:55 PM
everyone has been saying for a while there were gonna be surprises. i will be perfectly happy with a conclusive ending. hopefully one that includes a well and safe michael.
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: mjthelegendlives on January 17, 2011, 11:14:04 PM
Well, it wouldnt be the first case in the States where the victim shows up at his murderer's trial  :lol:

This is interesting...

Alleged Murder of Connie Franklin

The alleged murder of Connie Franklin in 1929 scandalized the state and served to reinforce negative stereotypes about Arkansas in the national mass media. The uproar surrounding the apparent murder only increased with the reappearance of the “victim,” alive and well, shortly before the trial of his accused murderers.

In January 1929, Connie Franklin wandered into the community of St. James (Stone County), where he found work cutting timber and as a farm hand. He claimed to be twenty-two years old, rather than his actual age of thirty-two. He reportedly courted the town’s girls, particularly sixteen-year-old Tillar (or Tiller) Ruminer. According to later testimony by Ruminer, on March 9, 1929, she and Franklin were going to Justice of the Peace Finis Ford’s office to obtain a marriage license. The two were attacked by a gang of men, identified by Ruminer as Hubert Hester, Herman Greenway, Joe White, and Bill C. “Straight Eye” Younger. Hester and Greenway were alleged to have taken Ruminer into the woods and raped her, while Franklin was reportedly tortured, mutilated, and murdered.

A spring 1929 grand jury did not grant an indictment due to the fact that there was no body and no evidence that a crime had occurred other than hearsay from Bertha Burns, who, according to her own account, found the bloody hat belonging to Franklin and subsequently went to Ruminer, demanding to know what had happened and convincing her to report the attack to the authorities. Burns had recently secured a guilty verdict in May 1929 against Alex Fulks, Baxter Canard, and Ross Younger for the flogging she and her husband, Haywood, had suffered at the hands of the three men the previous year.

The sheriff thought he had evidence to continue the investigation into the attack, probing neighbors around the areas of Dry Creek and Cajun Creek over the next several months. Ten days prior to the convening of the fall grand jury, in November 1929, Burns led the sheriff and some deputies to a place in the woods where they found an assortment of charred bones in a pile of ashes. The bones were sent to the state crime lab, and the grand jury, with this new evidence, issued five indictments, adding Alex Fulks to the list, as he was widely considered the ringleader of the group. The five men were soon arrested and held in separate jails for their own protection.

Brothers Hugh Williamson, the prosecuting attorney, and Ben Williamson, the defense attorney, were pitted against each other in front of Judge Marcus Bone, with the trial set for December 16, 1929. (Complicating matters, the Williamson brothers both worked in the firm of their father, president of the Arkansas Bar Association.) As the attorneys prepared their cases, the accused men held to their stories that they had not seen Franklin on said date and that Franklin had left the community just as he had come in. Deputy O. L. Massey from Morrilton (Conway County) was provided information on December 3, 1929, from Elmer Wingo that Franklin had spent the night at the Wingo home after the alleged murder. Many newspapers—including the Arkansas Gazette, the Arkansas Democrat, and the Commercial Appeal of Memphis—ran this information along with a photo of Franklin. On December 7, 1929, Franklin was found by F. K. Marks, a cotton buyer, working on the farm of Murray Bryant near Humphrey (Arkansas County), who convinced Franklin to come to Mountain View (Stone County).

Prosecutor Hugh Williamson warned that “somebody had lied and somebody was going to jail,” stating that there would be a sweeping inquiry into the matter once Franklin’s identity was confirmed. It became known that the man claiming to be Franklin had been drafted into the military in 1926, serving five days before entering the Arkansas State Hospital, from which he escaped in February 1927. He was married and had at least three children, which he had abandoned.

Judge Bone went ahead with the trial while the November grand jury heard evidence to establish the true identify of the man who claimed to be Franklin. During the trial, Ruminer admitted that she had not seen anyone killed or burned, only beaten unconscious. The identify of Franklin was established by a number of persons who knew him before and after the alleged date of the murder and on a comparison of handwriting, fingerprints, and dental and medical records from the Arkansas State Hospital. However, Ruminer continued to deny that the man in the courtroom was the same man she had known before March 9. The jury deadlocked and the defendants were found not guilty.

Some sources explain the alleged murder case as a revenge plot by Burns against Fulks and the others, who were the self-appointed moral enforcers of the rural area. Time magazine covered the trial, as did newspapers throughout the nation. The little town of Mountain View was inundated with reporters, spectators, and gawkers by the thousands, creating a circus-like atmosphere during the week leading up to the trial and during the trial itself. Heavy rains made the roads almost impassable. On December 11, 1929, Governor Harvey Parnell issued a public denouncement of the “yellow” journalism being practiced that branded the people of northern Arkansas as peons and idiots. The cost of the trial was more than $8,000, breaking the already financially burdened county. It was rumored that Judge Bone, upon the not-guilty finding of the jury, ordered that all records of the trial, other than those required by the court, be destroyed so as to end the chain of gossip. However, the story lives on in local folklore.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/e ... tryID=5929 (http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=5929)
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: 2 Bad on February 03, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
Then there is this ...
Don't believe what you hear. He will explain himself and he's sorry she had to go through this?
Sound familiar?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... &ATTR=News (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3387601/Michael-Jackson-might-still-be-alive-if-Conrad-Murray-hadnt-been-chatting-me-up-on-the-phone-claims-Sade-Anding.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News)


"She added: "He told me that whatever I hear about him to not believe it, that he would explain himself - and that he was sorry that I had to go through this."
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: sosh on February 03, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
It all sound s a litle like the three parts in a magicians trick (movie the Prestige f.e.)

From IMDB:
First, there's "The Pledge," where the magician shows you something ordinary, like a bird. Then, there's "The Turn," where he does something extraordinary, like make the bird disappear. But this isn't enough. There always has to be a third act, "The Prestige," where you have a twist, and bring the bird back, before the audience will clap.

In MJ's case:

The Pledge - Anounce and performance in this is it. Pretty Ordinary for someone like MJ

The Turn - He dissapears (dies?)

The Pledge - Will this be the surprising end?
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: MJonmind on February 03, 2011, 02:11:20 PM
This is the best of movie disguise endings bar none, still makes me laugh every time. Enjoy!
[youtube:3hezk983]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmzYc0HopTA[/youtube:3hezk983]
Title: Re: Mark Geragos Says the Defence has some surprising end
Post by: 2 Bad on February 04, 2011, 04:23:30 PM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I forgot about that movie!!
Thank you for posting!!
I will think about this the rest of the day and for weeks!!!

Surprising ends indeed!

Love ya Michael!
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