Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Michael Jackson Manslaughter Prelim - 30 Witnesses (http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/28/michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/)
12/28/2010 10:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
TMZ has learned more than 2 dozen witnesses will testify at Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/12/28/1228-mj-conrad-ex-tmz.jpg)
Sources say the prelim will last roughly 2 weeks and approximately 30 witnesses will be called.
We're told there won't be a "Perry Mason" moment -- instead, prosecutors will lay out their case, piece by piece, to show Dr. Murray acted recklessly by medicating Michael with Propofol and other drugs at his home the day he died.
Sources say the witnesses include various medical experts, as well as 3 LAPD detectives who investigated the case.
And, we're told, prosecutors will present more evidence than in a typical manslaughter case, because the legal theory here is novel -- that a doctor committed a homicide in the treatment of a patient.
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Yes, "piece by piece" is what I noticed right away....piece by piece indeed!
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Buckle up guys.
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Yes, "piece by piece" is what I noticed right away....piece by piece indeed!
I noticed this too:
And, we're told, prosecutors will present more evidence than in a typical manslaughter case, because the legal theory here is novel
Novel
Noun
1. an extended fictional work in prose; usually in the form of a story
2. a printed and bound book that is an extended work of fiction: "his bookcases were filled with nothing but novels"; "he burned all the novels"
Adjective
1. fresh; new; an original and of a kind not seen before: "the computer produced a completely novel proof of a well-known theorem"
2. refreshing; pleasantly new or different: "common sense of a most refreshing sort"
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=novel
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Will the public get to hear all of this evidence. Will we get to follow along or will it all be sealed
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I'm guessing the BAM won't happen during this prelim - hence the "We're told there won't be a "Perry Mason" moment" - meaning there won't be that climactic moment in court when something amazing happens and there is a shocking confession or evidence brought to light and everyone realizes what's happened.
There are 30ish witnesses - seems like a lot but then again there seem to be about 30 conflicting stories as to what happened that day. I think the "piece by piece" comment is quite telling, I do think there will be significant "clues" during the prelim that will leave a lot of people scratching their heads.
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Sources say the witnesses include various medical experts, as well as 3 LAPD detectives who investigated the case.
Great, Maybe they can explain to the judge why they waited so long to begin the investigation, making it easy for anyone to just come in and out and take things from the crime scene.
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About the "no Perry Mason moment..."
Perry MasonFrom Wikipedia
Perry Mason is a fictional character, a defense attorney who originally was the main character in numerous pieces of detective fiction authored by Erle Stanley Gardner. Perry Mason was featured in more than 80 novels and short stories, most of which had a story line which involved his client being put on trial for murder. Typically, Mason was able to establish his client's innocence by demonstrating the guilt of another character. (Note:Are we to understand that no one else will be identified as guilty? [/color])
Gardner, who was one of the best-selling authors of all time, had "135 million copies of his books in print in America alone in the year of his death" in 1969.[1] The character of Perry Mason was portrayed each weekday on a long running radio series,[2] followed by the well-known depictions on film and television, including "television's most successful and longest-running lawyer series"[3] from 1957 to 1966, another series in 1973-1974, starring Monte Markham and Brett Somers, and more than 25 made-for-TV movies from 1985 to 1993.[citation needed]
[edit] CharacterThe name "Perry Mason" dates to creator Gardner's childhood. As a child, Gardner was a reader of the magazine Youth's Companion. The magazine, best known for producing the original Pledge of Allegiance in 1891, was published in Boston, Massachusetts, by the Perry Mason Company (later renamed "Perry Mason & Co." after the founder died). When Gardner created his fictional attorney, he borrowed the name of the company that published his favorite childhood magazine.[4]
Gardner provided more information about Mason's character in the earliest novels, although his character is largely taken for granted in later novels, as well as the television series and movies. In the first novel (The Case of the Velvet Claws, 1933), Perry Mason describes himself as follows:
You'll find that I'm a lawyer who has specialized in trial work, and in a lot of criminal work. ... I'm a specialist on getting people out of trouble. They come to me when they're in all sorts of trouble, and I work them out. ... If you look me up through some family lawyer or some corporation lawyer, he'll probably tell you that I'm a shyster. If you look me up through some chap in the District Attorney's office, he'll tell you that I'm a dangerous antagonist but he doesn't know very much about me.
Gardner depicts Mason as a lawyer who fights hard on behalf of his clients and who enjoys unusual, difficult or nearly hopeless cases. He frequently accepts clients on a whim based on his curiosity about their problem, for a minimal retainer, and finances the investigation of their cases himself if necessary. In The Case of the Caretaker's Cat (1935), his principal antagonist, District Attorney Hamilton Burger, says: "You're a better detective than you are a lawyer. When you turn your mind to the solution of a crime, you ferret out the truth." And in The Case of the Moth-Eaten Mink (1952), a judge who has just witnessed one of the lawyer's unusual tactics says: "Mr. Mason ... from time to time you seem to find yourself in predicaments from which you extricate yourself by unusual methods which invariably turn out to be legally sound. The Court feels you are fully capable of looking after your own as well as your clients' interests."
Another frequent antagonist, Lieutenant Tragg of the Homicide Squad, has a discussion with Mason about his approach to the law in The Case of the Drowsy Mosquito (1943). Mason is recovering from having been poisoned, and Tragg is investigating. He says:
"How does it feel to be the victim for once? ... You've been sticking up for criminals and now you can see the other side of the picture."
:idea: :idea: :idea: "Not 'sticking up for criminals'," (Mason) protested indignantly. "I have never stuck up for any criminal. I have merely asked for the orderly administration of an impartial justice. ... Due legal process is my own safeguard against being convicted unjustly. To my mind, that's government. That's law and order."
Other than what we learn of his character from his actions in the novels, we know very little about Perry Mason. We are told nothing about his family, his background, his personal life, or his education. In Season One of the television series, Perry helps out an old friend from World War Two. He mentions that he was in a company that was at D-Day. Mason has a professional relationship with Paul Drake though after The Case of the Velvet Claws fees are seldom discussed. Della Street is Mason's only (unacknowledged) romantic interest. We only know that he lives in an apartment because he is occasionally wakened from sleep to go to his office—he does not entertain anyone at home. We know his tastes in food, because many scenes take place in restaurants, and that he is an excellent driver, because he participates in the occasional car chase. Other than those scanty facts, there is so little physical description of him that the reader is not even really sure what he looks like.
The movies from the 1930s were not closely based on the character of Perry Mason as revealed in the books and contain plot and character developments which are not taken as canonical in the remainder of the books and adaptations—for instance, in one film Perry marries his long-time secretary Della Street, while Paul Drake turns into comic sidekick Spudsy Drake.
In one episode of the TV series, Perry meets an old friend from his childhood, and we learn that at least part of it — the part when he knew her—was spent in Oregon.
[edit] NovelsMain article: Perry Mason (novels)
Erle Stanley Gardner "had spent more than twenty years practicing law in California, and the knowledge he gained was put to good use in the Perry Mason stories, which hinge on points of law, forensic medicine or science as clever as a watch mechanism ... and also the total lack of characterization".[5] While the Mason novels were largely a form of pulp fiction of the sort that began Gardner's writing career, they are somewhat unusual in that the whodunnit mysteries usually involved two solutions: one in which the authorities believed (whereby Mason's client was guilty) and an alternative explanation (whereby Mason's client was innocent). 8-) The second half of each novel is invariably devoted to a lengthy courtroom scene, during which Mason arrives at the alternative explanation and proves it to the satisfaction of the court. "It is perfectly true that our author works to formula; in one sense, the plot never varies. Having said this, one must add that the variety of persons and circumstances and the ingenuity in contriving the details that Gardner dreamed up in his dozens of cases are astonishing and entrancing."[6]
A hallmark of the stories is that Perry Mason (with the assistance of his devoted secretary Della Street and his faithful private investigator, Paul Drake), once embarked on a case, will juggle the evidence using unusual, even bizarre tactics, in order to mislead the police—but (except for the very earliest novels) always in an ethical fashion. From The Case Of The Long-Legged Models (1958):
"It's my contention, Della, that an attorney doesn't have to sit back and wait until a witness gets on the stand and then test his recollection simply by asking him questions. If facts can be shuffled in such a way that it will confuse a witness who isn't absolutely certain of his story, and if the attorney doesn't suppress, conceal, or distort any of the actual evidence, I claim the attorney is within his rights."
The influence of the television series has given the general public the impression that Mason is highly ethical. In the earliest novels, Mason was not above skulduggery to win a case. In The Case of the Counterfeit Eye (1935), he breaks the law a few times including manufacturing false evidence (glass eyes). Mason manipulates evidence and witnesses, resulting in the acquittal of the murderer in The Case of the Howling Dog (1934). The Case of the Curious Bride (1934) is:
"...a good Perry Mason except for one great flaw, which the author would scarcely have been guilty of later on: he tampers with the evidence, by having a friend move into an apartment and testify to the state of the doorbells. ... One is left with the uncomfortable idea that maybe the murder did not take place as Mason reconstructs it."[6]
In later novels, the only crime which he can be seen to commit might be illegal entry, when he and Paul Drake are searching for evidence, and even then he would expect to put up a strong and effective defense leading to an acquittal. Hamilton Burger is constantly under the impression that Mason has done something illegal, but has never been able to prove it.
Gardner prefaced many of his later novels with tributes to coroners and forensic pathologists whose work was instrumental to solving cases. Gardner inserts his ideas about the importance of proper autopsies into many of his Mason novels. In The Case of the Fugitive Nurse, for instance, close scrutiny of dental records in the identification of burned bodies is a key point. In that same story, the possible use of additives to track illegal resale of medical narcotics is examined.
However, a study of Gardner’s novels by critic Russel B. Nye (The Unembarrassed Muse, Dial, 1970) did expose a pattern. Nye called Gardner’s novels as formal as Japanese Noh drama. He described fairly rigid plot points:
1.Attorney Perry Mason’s case is introduced.
2.Mason and his crew investigate.
3.Mason’s client is accused of a crime.
4.Further investigations ensue.
5.Then the trial begins.
6.In a courtroom coup, Mason introduces new evidence and often elicits a confession from the lawbreaker.
NOTE: So, no Perry Mason moment means we'll get no new evidence and no confession from the lawbreaker. We'll get nothing remotely substantial from this hearing? Or, this actually is a Perry Mason moment and the comment was intentionally meant to throw in Perry Mason like similarities as a clue about strategy and motive, but throw us off that trail at the same time?
This wouuld be an Approach/Avoidance tactic and Law of Disinformation[/b]
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This audience is going to have a duration of 2 weeks, good has prepared now is that the good stuff
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:cry: I'm sorry but every time they go there for MJ's case I feel very scared because it seems so real :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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:cry: I'm sorry but every time they go there for MJ's case I feel very scared because it seems so real :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Take a deep breath, repeat after me, I beLIEve Michael is alive and it will all be ok. ;) Just tighten up your safety belt and hold on very tight.
Love and hugs to you.
God Bless you.
:)
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I am so excited to see what happens! :D This is going to be so intense! Everyone got there seatbelts buckled?
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And piece by piece.....Michael will be called to testify! Bam!
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:cry: I'm sorry but every time they go there for MJ's case I feel very scared because it seems so real :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Take a deep breath, repeat after me, I beLIEve Michael is alive and it will all be ok. ;) Just tighten up your safety belt and hold on very tight.
Love and hugs to you.
God Bless you.
:)
thank you so much, you're so kind.
it is not easy after 18 months, and you all know it.
but you're right 'I beLIEve Michael is alive and it will all be ok'.
thank you again ;)
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SEAT BELT!!! no no no, that will not do...I need a safety bar with this roller coaster ride, all the loops and up and down hills, and can I please have a helmet for how many times I might bash my head against a wall.
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SEAT BELT!!! no no no, that will not do...I need a safety bar with this roller coaster ride, all the loops and up and down hills, and can I please have a helmet for how many times I might bash my head against a wall.
:lol: :lol: :lol: me too
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does anybody know the date and time of this prelim? I am gonna go to court this time.
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You guys, I don't understand this. To me it seems like a bad thing. 30 witnesses is a lot of people. Doesn't that jeopardize Michael? Wouldn't they all have to know what they're doing for it to not be fraud? Or maybe they are fictitious? I'm confused on this one, some one help me out here.
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can we go to watch or is it behind closed doors....the other thing that struck me at the beginning of all of this was that reportedly the people who were supposedly in the room with MJ, one of whom made the 911 call, were not interviewed by police for months. They even went to the press with this fact and then finally they were interviewed. If everything went down how it was reported, how are the police going to respond to the fact that they didn`t interview the only witnesses to MJ`s reported death for months. That in itself made me a believer from the moment I heard it.
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Never mind I found it.
January 4th. I'll be there.
LOS ANGELES -- A judge set a preliminary hearing date of January 4th for Dr. Conrad Murray who is charged in the death of Michael Jackson.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor scheduled the hearing for Dr. Murray Monday during a brief session in downtown Los Angeles.
Prosecutors will lay out their evidence at the preliminary hearing which will determine whether the 57 year old cardiologist will go to trial.
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I only wonder who the other witnesses are and what is it they're going to reveal. Maybe I'll just ask Katherine or Tito on new year's eve :lol: Perhaps during a chit chat as she's signing my coffee table book.
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TMZ link reads ... michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/
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TMZ link reads ... michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/
So it does...they couldn't resist throwing a 7 in there could they?
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TMZ link reads ... michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/
So it does...they couldn't resist throwing a 7 in there could they?
Yes indeed :D ... makes me think of some Biblical thing...
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Symbolism of 30
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu30.php
Symbolism of 70
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu70.php
3 x 7 or 777
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And how about the STAR WITNESS?
From
http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010 ... -to-court/ (http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/23/doctor-charged-in-michael-jacksons-death-returns-to-court/)
The Informer August 17th, 2010 3:33 pm ET
To refresh the memory of many. Michael was the old man in disguise at the Memorial NOT the burial. The old man at the burial was a decoy to dispel want many had caught on to. June 25th 2009 – August 23rd 2010 is the Overture. Look for the Star Witness. This Is Not It. This is Reality Film.
-The Informer
The Informer August 17th, 2010 3:41 pm ET
Always remember everyone that for Michael family is first and his fans are second and that will never change
-The Informer
The Informer August 18th, 2010 5:26 pm ET
I assure you I'm the same Informer that Lori, Rhonda (Much Love), and Stu knew of since August of 2009 . It is a lot harder to speak to everyone now that posts are regulated and take a long time to be possibly approved. To answer MourningMJ, December 7th 2009, which is the date in question, was a special date that was later postponed to April 9th 2010. Uri Geller then spoiled April 9th by announcing it on his television show on April 2nd. This has made the date be postponed once again.
-The Informer
The Informer August 23rd, 2010 9:43 am ET
@Lori. No today will bring many surprises.
-The Informer
The Informer August 23rd, 2010 4:49 pm ET
The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer
The Informer August 27th, 2010 2:41 am ET
Good catch Helen! We thought no one had heard "Keep on watchin" 19 seconds into the trailer nor would they spot Michael's I Love You signature for the audience after the credits since the majority of the fans dismissed it as just another bell and whistle. Very good catch! But, Michael didn't begin to plan his comeback until he met the magician in 2006 which isn't Criss Angel.
-The Informer
The Informer August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET
It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer
The Informer September 17th, 2010 2:38 pm ET
I have been told to keep quiet from this point on as I have been seriously caught hindering the performance.
-The Informer
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"Sources say the prelim will last roughly 2 weeks and approximately 30 witnesses will be called."
Typically the court needs to be scheduled for either two weeks, three weeks, depending on the amount of time they need to present their case. Saying that it will last "roughly 2 weeks" is just assumption and approximately 30 witnesses? hmmm well I would say with that many witnesses they will need more than 2 weeks and they need to schedule the courtroom etc.
There is only 10 days of actual court time - so can they fit 30 witnesses in in 10 days? I highly doubt it. This case needs to be carried out meticiously and every i dotted and t crossed; however, we know that the evidence has been tampered (ie the family was in the house before the police went back to investigate) and so on. I wonder who the witnesses will be? I imagine there will be forensic witnesses and so on. I can remember in the O.J. Simpson case, the medical experts took up alot of court time.... so in my opinion, I dont think two weeks is enough. It has taken almost two years for a preliminary hearing which is absurd. The trial hasn't even started yet.... who knows maybe some of the characters will have long forgotten the case by the time the trial itself starts. Also, did the lawyers do a discovery yet?
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SEAT BELT!!! no no no, that will not do...I need a safety bar with this roller coaster ride, all the loops and up and down hills, and can I please have a helmet for how many times I might bash my head against a wall.
Maybe we should do a "bulk" order and get a good deal on safety helmets to go with our straight jackets.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:P
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Never mind I found it.
January 4th. I'll be there.
LOS ANGELES -- A judge set a preliminary hearing date of January 4th for Dr. Conrad Murray who is charged in the death of Michael Jackson.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor scheduled the hearing for Dr. Murray Monday during a brief session in downtown Los Angeles.
Prosecutors will lay out their evidence at the preliminary hearing which will determine whether the 57 year old cardiologist will go to trial.
This is great. Can't wait to hear back from you. Will you go the entire two weeks or so?
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does anybody know the date and time of this prelim? I am gonna go to court this time.
Wow lucky you take a video cam if you can, let us know what you find out.
Be careful though.
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/28/michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/
TMZ has learned more than 2 dozen witnesses will testify at Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case.
Sources say the prelim will last roughly 2 weeks and approximately 30 witnesses will be called.
We're told there won't be a "Perry Mason" moment -- instead, prosecutors will lay out their case, piece by piece, to show Dr. Murray acted recklessly by medicating Michael with Propofol and other drugs at his home the day he died.
Sources say the witnesses include various medical experts, as well as 3 LAPD detectives who investigated the case.
And, we're told, prosecutors will present more evidence than in a typical manslaughter case, because the legal theory here is novel -- that a doctor committed a homicide in the treatment of a patient.
Hmm interesting. How are we supposed to read this news? More than 24 witnesses will already testify. Does it mean that 30 witnesses will be added? That's a total of at least 54 witnesses. But what about 70 witnesses what the link says? Will the prosecution team and the defence team each have an equal division of witnesses? I just wonder..
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does anybody know the date and time of this prelim? I am gonna go to court this time.
Wow lucky you take a video cam if you can, let us know what you find out.
Be careful though.
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There is NO camera nor cell phones with camera allowed in the court. Every single person, including attorneys, have to pass check up. I haveto see what I can do. If security see me taking photos, they will ask me out of court room. Besides, I am not sure if hearing will be open or closed for the public.
I am also not sure what freakin address the hearing at. There are several courts in Downtown. The Criminal court on Temple st, there are also courts on Hill street, Main street, also East and West LA courts at different address. :roll:
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Never mind I found it.
January 4th. I'll be there.
LOS ANGELES -- A judge set a preliminary hearing date of January 4th for Dr. Conrad Murray who is charged in the death of Michael Jackson.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor scheduled the hearing for Dr. Murray Monday during a brief session in downtown Los Angeles.
Prosecutors will lay out their evidence at the preliminary hearing which will determine whether the 57 year old cardiologist will go to trial.
This is great. Can't wait to hear back from you. Will you go the entire two weeks or so?
I don't know,not sure at this moment if I can go all 2 weeks. :D
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Sources say the prelim will last roughly 2 weeks and approximately 30 witnesses will be called.
For reference, Liberian Girl had a cast of 33. 34 if you count Bubbles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_Girl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_Girl)
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The story only talks about what the prosecution will do, but doesn't mention what the defense will do.
Maybe it will be a "Perry Mason" moment with the defense.
Also I was trying to look up Michael Pastor pic, but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I click it only shows pics
of MJ and CM. If Michael Pastor is the Judge will there be a yellow toy taxi again? One forum elsewhere said
they couldn't find info or pics but said he was Michael E. Pastor. Hmm... :?
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The story only talks about what the prosecution will do, but doesn't mention what the defense will do.
Maybe it will be a "Perry Mason" moment with the defense.
Also I was trying to look up Michael Pastor pic, but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I click it only shows pics
of MJ and CM. If Michael Pastor is the Judge will there be a yellow toy taxi again? One forum elsewhere said
they couldn't find info or pics but said he was Michael E. Pastor. Hmm... :?
Speaking of the judge Mike Pastor...today on TMZ Live Harvey once again mentioned how he's really good friends with the judge and that he has known him for years. So Harvey has known this guy for years, probably trusts him - Harvey is in the hoax, one could reason that the judge is as well. Unless the world really is that small. Anyone who has an important role in the hoax has proven themselves trustworthy I think. Connect the dots, connect the coincidences...and we have a hoax.
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And piece by piece.....Michael will be called to testify! Bam!
;-)))))))) OOOOOOOOOOOOooo yes !
No I guess Michael has prepared something very special, we can't imagine yet !
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Buckle up!!!
(http://animalsarejustlikestars.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/buckle-up.jpg)
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The story only talks about what the prosecution will do, but doesn't mention what the defense will do.
Maybe it will be a "Perry Mason" moment with the defense.
Also I was trying to look up Michael Pastor pic, but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I click it only shows pics
of MJ and CM. If Michael Pastor is the Judge will there be a yellow toy taxi again? One forum elsewhere said
they couldn't find info or pics but said he was Michael E. Pastor. Hmm... :?
Speaking of the judge Mike Pastor...today on TMZ Live Harvey once again mentioned how he's really good friends with the judge and that he has known him for years. So Harvey has known this guy for years, probably trusts him - Harvey is in the hoax, one could reason that the judge is as well. Unless the world really is that small. Anyone who has an important role in the hoax has proven themselves trustworthy I think. Connect the dots, connect the coincidences...and we have a hoax.
Indeed I believe so because the judge is one of these key people. If the judge is not in on it, it would ruin everything imo.
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...And what became of the massive investigation of Jackson? After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found. (In June 1994, still determined to find even one corroborating witness, three prosecutors and two police detectives flew to Australia to again question Wade Robson, the boy who had acknowledged that he'd slept in the same bed with Jackson. Once again, the boy said that nothing bad had happened.) The sole allegations leveled against Jackson, then, remain those made by one youth, and only after the boy had been give a potent hypnotic drug, leaving him susceptible to the power of suggestion.
For those of you who cant believe people, including the use of children, go to EXTREME lengths to make false allegations heard and believed, you must watch this. A documented real example of a man using a boy to great effect falsely accusing Michael Jackson. I think this is from 1995.
[youtube:2214fe0c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iccs48dFKug[/youtube:2214fe0c]
http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/mjinnocent.html
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Thanks Serenity's! It's a good reminder to all those non-believers who say that Michael's kids wouldn't be able to lie on stage during the memorial (and even about fake vocals on "Breaking News" - hopefully)
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Thanks Serenity's! It's a good reminder to all those non-believers who say that Michael's kids wouldn't be able to lie on stage during the memorial (and even about fake vocals on "Breaking News" - hopefully)
VeryLittleSusie, I just want to say that I love your portraits. I think you are very talented.
Kudos!
<3
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January 4 plus 2 weeks is MLK day, January 18th...
Although this update is shorter than the last one, it’s still too long to post in the replies section of the TIAI Update #1 thread (as I had previously mentioned). In case anyone has not read TIAI Update #1 yet, here is the link for that: {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391}.
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2-1. Outline for TIAI Update #2
2-1. Outline for TIAI Update #2
2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on January 18
2-3. Official Media Story of MJ Death: Impossible!
2-4. Real Murder & Fake Hoax, or Fake Murder & Real Hoax?
2-5. Is TMZ a Counterfeit Hoax Informer?
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2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on MLK Day
Here is their tweet: “if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” {8:38 PM Jan 18th from web; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787}.
First of all, we need to understand both the time and the subject context of this tweet. The date was January 18, 2010—which was of course MLK Day; and indeed they knew what day it was, as can be clearly seen in two earlier tweets that day {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910852947; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080}. This was also one day after the final Jackson Reality Show, which ended with a visit to Forest Lawn {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=82}.
The tweets both before and after the “revealed” tweet were all on the subject of the Reality Show, and especially the ending about MJ. Some of the tweets even mention MJ specifically {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS; click “more” at the bottom of the page, until you get to January 18 tweets}.
So the context of this “revealed” tweet is clearly about MJ. The next step is to understand that this tweet is in response to hoax believers (“if u don't think our emotion is real”). Hoaxers have been saying all along, that a huge evidence of the hoax is the lack of tears from the family at the memorial and burial, etc. Surely, they are not ignorant of this.
And what could they possibly be responding to, other than the hoax—could it be that they were responding to accusations that their emotions were not real, because they don’t care that MJ is dead? Who would say such a thing? And even if someone was cold enough to say that, why would they even bother to respond? Worse yet, why would they respond by saying that the media lies?? Has the media been trying to convince people (falsely), that the Jackson family’s emotions are not real???
Sorry, but the statement about emotions and media lying doesn’t make sense, unless they were referring to the hoax theory. So this tweet was in response to hoax believers; and believers themselves have recognized this fact, in threads such as this one: “Jacksons address hoax!!” {posted by dirtydiana2009; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3783}. Since this is the most direct statement yet, from the family, about hoax believers: this tweet deserves thorough investigation.
The part about their “emotion is real” does not specifically say emotion from MJ dying; it could be emotion from the pain that the media lies have caused, etc (media lies are mentioned in this tweet, MJ death is not mentioned in this tweet). And in fact, even the hoax itself is painful for MJ (he knows that it has hurt the fans, and that hurts him; also, he wants to return as much or more than his fans want him to return).
Primarily, though, we need to examine the last half of this tweet: “see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”. Notice the very clear plural usage: “see truths [plural] when they [plural] are [plural] revealed to you”. If MJ really were dead, and this is all that they were trying to say, then why the plural? Why wouldn’t it be “see the truth [MJ is dead] when it is revealed”?
And again, why the reference to the media lying?? If the Jacksons know that MJ is really dead, and this is what they are referring to here, then why wouldn’t they be supporting media “truth” (reports that MJ is dead)?? And why the phrase “ur eyes don’t lie”? We have never seen any dead body; so “ur eyes don’t lie” can’t possibly mean that our eyes have already seen for ourselves that MJ is really dead.
The only conclusion which makes sense, is that the Jacksons tweet mentioned “truths” about the hoax—and our eyes don’t lie regarding these things. This also fits the statement about the media lies—the media is not telling the truth about the hoax, they are saying that MJ is dead (but our eyes can see the hoax).
Now let’s take it a step further. Since this is clearly referring to truths about the hoax: why did they use the word “revealed”? Why not use some other word, such as “see truths when they r shown to you”? Or “recognize truths when they r seen by you”? Or any of several other ways to say it?
Do you suppose that they were entirely ignorant of TIAI Revealed—which was posted nearly a month before 1-18, and Part 1 had about 11,000 views by 1-18? Also, TIAI Revealed Update #1 was posted one week before 1-18, and had about 15,000 views by 1-18. Few if any posts on this forum have more views. If any of the Jacksons were paying any attention whatsoever to the hoax forums, then surely they were already aware of TIAI Revealed, on 1-18.
For the sake of TIAI doubters, let’s say that TIAI is not really MJ’s message. Don’t you think in that case, the Jacksons would avoid any hint of support for TIAI—and maybe even give hints against it? Yet instead of that, they use the very word “revealed” in this tweet, the statement which is the clearest statement yet from them about the hoax; and they refer to the things “revealed” as “truths” that “ur eyes” can and should “see”.
Not only did they use the word “revealed”, but they also referred to the media lies—which is one of the main themes in TIAI. Notice that TIAI Revealed, Part 7, even has the word media in the title: “NWO Powers Control the Mass Media”; and redirect #9 has the title: “9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media”.
Last but not least: why was this tweet given on January 18, MLK Day? Do you think that they knew nothing about the MLK connections with the hoax (They Don’t Really Care About Us?)—and do you think they were totally unaware of TIAI Update #1 (with 15,000 views), and the things in there about January 18???
So we have here a clear Jackson statement about the hoax, using the word “revealed”, and referring to media lies—and it was even done on January 18, MLK Day! Either these things are more TIAI “coincidences” (added to all the previous ones), or else they were giving clues about TIAI.
Well, how much clearer of a clue do you want? Do they need to spell out the domain for you: http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com?? Be assured, that will not happen before MJ comes back (it would be too big of a hint about the hoax). In fact, don’t be too surprised if they don’t say anything directly even after MJ comes back—surely you can understand why, due to the nature of the subjects involved.
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viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965)
TS' first words on this board, clue?:
“IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY
AS THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM ...”
Marlon decided to tweet today after months of silence. Today is 21 days (777) inclusive to January 18.
http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson (http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson)
The revealed tweet was on January 18. TIAI revealed on 1/18?
Here is more proof that TS is not just linked to TMZ, but to the whole hoax. Let me show you 2 parts from the latest update:
1. Outline
1. Outline
2. Truth Will Prevail
3. Most Recent Predictions
4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
6. Katherine and Randy
7. Bahrain And Michael
8. God Can Protect
9. “His Own Words”
10. Eliza’s Court Case
11. Eleven Thirty
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11. Eleven Thirty
I have titled this post update #6.5 (not update #7), because this is primarily a continuation of update #6. And yes, it’s also because I said that update #7 will probably be after BAM. Does this mean that there will still be more updates and/or posts, before update #7 (6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.95, 6.96, 6.999, etc)? I won’t say absolutely no, but most likely not.
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
I will be watching, and if anyone wants to make a serious attempt at the $999 reward: I will certainly either respond to it or else send the money; but they must be serious calculations. Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again. If I have been wrong on anything, time will tell. And if I’ve been right, time will also tell—the truth will prevail.
Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it). But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point.
The hoax doesn’t rely only on TS anyway; as many have said, they believed in the hoax before TS ever posted anything. In fact, don’t you think there is good reason why I didn’t post any new thread—or even make a comment in an existing thread—until more than two months after the “death”? If I had posted immediately after 6-25-2009, then people could claim that TS is the reason for believing in the hoax; but it did not happen this way, for a good reason.
This update 6.5 (6 + 5 = 11) was posted at 11:30 PM (CA time), on 11-30 (November 30). Also, a few days ago TIAI redirected to a clock with the hands at 11:30 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16037}. What is the significance of this? As usual, the redirect had more than one meaning.
The Thriller album was released on 11-30 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)}; and Eliza’s case was previously scheduled for 11-30, although it is now rescheduled for 12-14 {http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696}.
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
The word thirty is written in italic. I was wondering back then what that meant, but I didn't find anything significant. Now we have 30 witnesses for the prelim. This is not info that came from Sony, this is not info that came from TMZ. This is info from the Murray case. Is it all again a coincidence, or did TS know in advance that there would be 30 witnesses showing up for the prelim?
TMZ also uses 'more than 2 dozen' which is kinda weird, since 2 dozen is only 24. Yet if you add up all the numbers in the article now (besides the date and time) you get 11. Eleven thirty. Call me a nutcase but in my book that again is no coincidence.
Something else I noticed, which could mean just nothing, are the caps used in the article: TSWSA
TS WSA - Warfare Systems Architect?
OK, back reading TS' posts for the gazillionth time... :lol:
Mat 11:30 "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light"
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January 4 plus 2 weeks is MLK day, January 18th...
Martin Luther King Day in 2011 is on Monday, the 17th of January.
In the United States, Martin Luther King Day is always observed on the third Monday of January.
http://www.when-is.com/martin-luther-king-2011.asp
It is 13 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date; 14 days if you include the end date.
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January 4 plus 2 weeks is MLK day, January 18th...
Martin Luther King Day in 2011 is on Monday, the 17th of January.
In the United States, Martin Luther King Day is always observed on the third Monday of January.
http://www.when-is.com/martin-luther-king-2011.asp
It is 13 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date; 14 days if you include the end date.
Oh , I thought it was on the same day every year. I see now that it's not. His birth day was January 15, why not have MLK day on January 15 every year? :?
Nevertheless, it's the same story (besides Marlon's tweets, which will be 20 days then). TMZ did say 'roughly' 2 weeks. MLK connection in this case is getting weaker though due to this fact... :lol:
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This update 6.5 (6 + 5 = 11) was posted at 11:30 PM (CA time), on 11-30 (November 30). Also, a few days ago TIAI redirected to a clock with the hands at 11:30 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16037}. What is the significance of this? As usual, the redirect had more than one meaning.
The Thriller album was released on 11-30 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)}; and Eliza’s case was previously scheduled for 11-30, although it is now rescheduled for 12-14 {http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696}.
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
TS repeats much the number 30
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Judicial Holidays in 2011
Monday January 17, 2011 Martin Luther King, Jr. Birthday
Friday February 11, 2011 Lincoln Day
Monday February 21, 2011 President's Day
Thursday March 31, 2011 Cesar Chavez Day
Monday May 30, 2011 Memorial Day
Monday July 04, 2011 Independence Day
Monday September 05, 2011 Labor Day
Monday October 10, 2011 Columbus Day
Friday November 11, 2011 Veterans Day
Thursday November 24, 2011 Thanksgiving Day
Friday November 25, 2011 Day after Thanksgiving
Monday December 26, 2011 Christmas Day
Usually calculation of trial days should skip weekends and Fridays and /or Mondays usually no hearing scheduled in courts.
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I can hardly wait to find out who this "star witness" is. It's killing me because I have always had a suspicion about who that could be. Someone who just kinda went away only to re-surface for a short time and then fade away again. Not a popular choice with anyone but me so I'll play the wait game for now.
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oh please tell heoutamylife! Who do you think it is...We should list who each of think it is and why. Other than wishing it was MJ...would it be Alberto Alverez.