Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => June 25, 2009 => Carolwood Drive, Events & Statements on/About June 25 => Topic started by: whatyourheartsays on December 16, 2010, 11:17:10 PM
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This is a call to investigate this idea :
I don't see MJ renting a house...don't ask me why, i just don't see it. We all remember that the phone call to 911 has been made from beverly hills hotel (even with technical explanations, yet it was written beverly hills hotel...)
I don't know why but the feeling came to me that MJ was in this hotel on long stay and never lived in Carolwood drive. That the house was rented for hoax purpose, to get a safe place to organise etc...
things that make me think this
- Never saw a picture of MJ or any leaked video after his death, showing his life in htat house.
- Joe making statement that he could never be allowed into the house to see his son. Maybe there was "nothing/nobody" to see there.
-Only picture for some LIFE inside was this overly staged picture of the bedroom. All pictures we got from the inside were about the house total empty and clean.
- The house being "cleaned" by some jackson people before cops come to it. Could be a way to hide the fact that nobody lived there or remove "hoax stuff" after june 25.
- helicopter landing to Neverland on july 8 makes me think maybe MJ left the hotel after anonymous stay there, using helicopter landing pads from there, while everybody focussed on carolwood/staplecenter/wherethehellisthecoffin story.
I'm not trying to say exactly what happened, but i guess it would have been easy to get to an hotel (where liz taylor spent 6 honey moon) under anonymous identity, use an empter house from the neighborhood to plan the hoax and while people focuss on there, leave the hotel still anonymous.
As i don't like feeling neither right or wrong about something, i ask YOU to debunk me, and find me pictures or videos or statements of fans, of MJ living in Carolwood drive before his death...
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Thanks for sharing this theory with us...I'll go searching and will come back to report if I find anything. Blessings!
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Boy whatyourheartsays that is something that would make you go Uuuummmmm !!
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You organized your points well! This has been discussed but with no conclusive answers. I was just looking for some threads and found this one about the prank that many believe was MJ in his disguised voice and white arm that grabs the bag of bread and salt. They also discuss about whether Michael actually lived there. I certainly have my doubts as well; it's a very intriguing subject. It certainly makes sense that he hid out and carried out parts of the hoax at the Beverly HIlls Hotel. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12783&hilit=carolwood (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12783&hilit=carolwood)
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I have looked at this a couple different ways.
If the owner of the cell phone didnt want anyone knowing his actual address he may use a fake one, like the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Or if the owner was spending some time in the hotel when he got the phone he may have used that address when setting up that account.
I don't think the 911 system uses call tracing (as in GPS, specific locationing) if an address is given so it probably just pulled up the address on the cell phones account. The only conflict I can see here is if that was the case, they would probably implement the GPS locationing and pin point the call. So in the end it wouldn't matter, whatever the response teams destination should have been the address in the screen. Unless that was just a computerized summary, like that screen was probably the same screen that the operator saw while taking the call. And ambulance drivers generally go by where the dispatcher tells them to go over the radio than whats on the screen.
That's just one point of view on it.
So I don't think that the call was made from the Beverly Hills Hotel. I think the phone was registered with that address when the cell phone account was created. For what reason, I dont know.
If you're going to say the house was rented as part of the hoax, it's not hard to believe that the caller was actually at the house when the call was made, if you take into account the points I have brought up.
Doesn't mean Michael was actually there, but the caller and doctor were, in my opinion.
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I've also had doubts that MJ and the kids were even living there, more digging and research for the weekend! Thanks for starting this thread wyhs! ;)
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I have the same doubts too. I think he rented the house only for the hoax and that he never lived there. ;)
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Where are my real estate agents here , property experts? Wouldn't it be neat if we could backtrace the ownership of the property. Would be cool if we could find a actual rental contract with MJ for Carolwood. BUT being that AEG was leasing it. Could we maybe find proof of AEG leasing this property?? :shock:
This thread is definitley worth investigating lets see what we could find. I am going to do a search of carolwood under California property statements? :? Help me
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I remember on the death certificate did not write the address of Holmby Hills, there is the direction of Encino
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/jackson-d (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/jackson-d) ... rtificate /
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8929 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8929)
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There was a photo of Michael leaving with his children you can see the drive way, the garage doors. I cannot find the pictures but it was posted in one of the threads. Now is that carolwood drive? I have no clue. It can be anywhere. Great work. You make absolutely sense. God bless.
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seems like some of this info was addressed in some ts elvis and mj threads. someone else a while back thought that michael never lived at carolwood. could have been mo or souza ( forgive me if i am incorrect about that).
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Mo or Souza (not sure who) but they and I brought it up again about the house being a staging area, I think it was discussed under the TMZ posts. I will check around.
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It's weird, because I've heard that many fans tried to see him leaving home or getting the training and have seen that many never got to see anything. If he ever went out around 6 pm and returned around midnight, then there would be so hard to find it.
Also, this house is in a fairly strategic place, near the Staples Center, near the home of Elvis and UCLA.
There is a video that shows a person much like a fake of "This is it" (the singing Human Nature) in the garden of this house, getting an ambulance on 25/06/2009.
Could then be that lookalike who lived in Carolwood and not Michael.
If he was being threatened, perhaps he would have a more hidden place :?:
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VERY GOOD QUESTION - I MEAN, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON, WHO WAS MOBBED BY REPORTES AND CRAZY STALKERS :( E-V-E-R-Y STEP HE MAKED - AND N_O_S_I_N_G_L_E_P_I_C_T_U_R_ES OF HIM OR STAFF GETTIN IN AND OUT OF THAT HOUSE FOR 6 MONTH WHEN HE LIVED THERE AND TWICE A DAY FOR REVERSALS ON SC??? ...
I dont take it 4 one single minutes!
1. Dont forget - owner of that house is designer CHristian AGuler ! - MJ close friend ;) ;), whoms party Michael Surprisingly! attend not so long before 625...
So, Chamon! - we should dig dipper.
WEry good sourse of MJ pictures is steady_ laughing.com - every year, every event , YET, for 6 month in Carlwood we have only his pictures outside some where on the road, in Christian shop etc... BUT NEVER coming and going from that house :)
2. REgarding 911 call .
EVeryone in USA knows - 911 IS V_E_R_Y SPECIAL POLICE CREW AND PARAMEDICS, THAT HAVE EQUPMENT TO TRAKING YOUR E_X_A_C_T CALL LOCATION EVEN IF YOU DONT SAY ONE SINGLE WORD, IF YOU ON FOREST OR THE MOON-AND POLICE THERE FRST!
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I heard the house was not owned by Audigier but by a couple and the man is huge business man who own parts of companies in clothing, includind Audigier.
But yeah how is it possible that MJ make decision to move to LA, the world of all paparazzi on hearth, and there's NEVER EVER been a picture of him living there, when we those paparazzi were supposedly standing there all the time, if they got to get the picture on june 25... So why a single picture on june 25 and never even one the 6 previous months ? :roll:
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From what I've seen of the house, it didn't look "kid friendly". Dunno. Just seemed a bit too pristeen for small children to have lived there.
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Definately worth investigating :geek: on sky news when it broke that MJ had "died" they said the house was owned by sean connery not sure if this is true but thought id mention it :?
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just had a look at google map and noticed that the back door (garage gates) are on monovale dr, can't be seen from carolwood dr. This road leads to "gateway triangle" and then sunset bd straight to Beverly hills hotel. All out of carolwood drive view.
info out of a bad article i do not wish to link because they don't deserve it :P
""According to property records, the lavish and exuberantly decorated pile on N. Carolwood Drive is owned by Roxanne Guez who is (or was, we don't know) married to Hubert Guez, a somewhat controversial bizness man who made his millions manufacturing apparel in Mexico for all sorts of recognizable mass market brands. Mister Guez now serves as the CEO of a coterie of clothing brands including Ed Hardy and Christian Audiger.""
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Carrie Fisher mentioned that house in her blog. She was good friends with Michael. I don't think he lived there either.
http://carriefisher.com/?p=439 (http://carriefisher.com/?p=439)
Michael & Me
By Carrie • Jul 6th, 2009 • Category: News
Hello to one and all!
Tis I! Your intermittent blogmeister, back to provide you with inside information on The Late Michael Jackson. I was friendly with Michael. I believe that he considered us to be friends.
(Picture of Micheal Jackson reading Carrie Fisher's Whishful Drinking)
I visited him over the Christmas holiday at that weirdly expensive rental home somewhere here in Southern Cal. What’s odd is that I see fans laying flowers in front of homes that I don’t think Michael ever lived in. But then this whole scene is odd.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TCKX81NoQjI/AAAAAAAAAgI/Rdy05QPrx9Y/s1600/MJ+494.jpg)
not even sure it's from carolwood. It's seems too soon in 2008
Still searching...
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VERY GOOD QUESTION - I MEAN, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON, WHO WAS MOBBED BY REPORTES AND CRAZY STALKERS :( E-V-E-R-Y STEP HE MAKED - AND N_O_S_I_N_G_L_E_P_I_C_T_U_R_ES OF HIM OR STAFF GETTIN IN AND OUT OF THAT HOUSE FOR 6 MONTH WHEN HE LIVED THERE AND TWICE A DAY FOR REVERSALS ON SC??? ...
I dont take it 4 one single minutes!
1. Dont forget - owner of that house is designer CHristian AGuler ! - MJ close friend ;) ;), whoms party Michael Surprisingly! attend not so long before 625...
So, Chamon! - we should dig dipper.
WEry good sourse of MJ pictures is steady_ laughing.com - every year, every event , YET, for 6 month in Carlwood we have only his pictures outside some where on the road, in Christian shop etc... BUT NEVER coming and going from that house :)
2. REgarding 911 call .
EVeryone in USA knows - 911 IS V_E_R_Y SPECIAL POLICE CREW AND PARAMEDICS, THAT HAVE EQUPMENT TO TRAKING YOUR E_X_A_C_T CALL LOCATION EVEN IF YOU DONT SAY ONE SINGLE WORD, IF YOU ON FOREST OR THE MOON-AND POLICE THERE FRST!
But I think Murray didn't know bout that :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I know I was there in Sept. of this year, and that is paparazzi central right there. They were parked on the lower streets before Sunset cause everyone has to come out that way to get to rest of Hollywood. Just seems really strange no pics that whole time MJ was supposedly there. If MJ was back in Beverly Hills... they would be climbing the trees to get a pic. Don't you think?
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I know I was there in Sept. of this year, and that is paparazzi central right there. They were parked on the lower streets before Sunset cause everyone has to come out that way to get to rest of Hollywood. Just seems really strange no pics that whole time MJ was supposedly there. If MJ was back in Beverly Hills... they would be climbing the trees to get a pic. Don't you think?
Sure, especially when those paparrazzi happened to be there the exact morning of his death...
We are shown a lot of clues, but maybe we should wonder about why we didn't see some other stuffs...like you said, pictures of MJ and his family in that house, coming and going, or any inside thing leaks...I mean there is NOTHING, when the whole world knows MJ is there, that his house is closed by 3 streets, so very exposed, and that he just announces his return on stage etc...not a single picture.
Like a lot of other things we are only given to see ONE view and all the other things that should appear around are MISSING.
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viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15053 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15053)
This is the link where we discussed it before about MJ not living in the Carolwood home.
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When Oprah interviewed katherine and the children, Paris said the she use to go on the roof with her father eating snickers, and she use to see the light of the Luxor hotel. So I think they were always living in Las Vegas. I think the house in Carolwood was just for the hoax. Michael knew it was a busy street. What better to plan a hoax. But then yet again, there was a moving truck when Michael supposedly passed away, and the sisters went to the rented house to get all his belongings. Like I said earlier, there was a picture of Michael with an umbrella, and his children walking infront of garages door. That was carolwood rented house. This is very confusing. Hope we can unravell this suspense. Blessing to you all.
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This is a call to investigate this idea :
I don't see MJ renting a house...don't ask me why, i just don't see it. We all remember that the phone call to 911 has been made from beverly hills hotel (even with technical explanations, yet it was written beverly hills hotel...)
I don't know why but the feeling came to me that MJ was in this hotel on long stay and never lived in Carolwood drive. That the house was rented for hoax purpose, to get a safe place to organise etc...
things that make me think this
- Never saw a picture of MJ or any leaked video after his death, showing his life in htat house.
- Joe making statement that he could never be allowed into the house to see his son. Maybe there was "nothing/nobody" to see there.
-Only picture for some LIFE inside was this overly staged picture of the bedroom. All pictures we got from the inside were about the house total empty and clean.
- The house being "cleaned" by some jackson people before cops come to it. Could be a way to hide the fact that nobody lived there or remove "hoax stuff" after june 25.
- helicopter landing to Neverland on july 8 makes me think maybe MJ left the hotel after anonymous stay there, using helicopter landing pads from there, while everybody focussed on carolwood/staplecenter/wherethehellisthecoffin story.
I'm not trying to say exactly what happened, but i guess it would have been easy to get to an hotel (where liz taylor spent 6 honey moon) under anonymous identity, use an empter house from the neighborhood to plan the hoax and while people focuss on there, leave the hotel still anonymous.
As i don't like feeling neither right or wrong about something, i ask YOU to debunk me, and find me pictures or videos or statements of fans, of MJ living in Carolwood drive before his death...
You choose to have this epiphany and share it with the world while I am ill and I am away?PFFTTT
lol
I love it though ;)
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There was a photo of Michael leaving with his children you can see the drive way, the garage doors. I cannot find the pictures but it was posted in one of the threads. Now is that carolwood drive? I have no clue. It can be anywhere. Great work. You make absolutely sense. God bless.
Actually, those photos were taken outside of a recording studio in L.A. according to these links and many others. If you google "Michael Jackson Kids Unmasked" and click "images" you can see alot of the other links that say the same thing.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21415816/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/06/05/michael-jackson-s-children-unmasked-for-the-first-time-115875-21415816/)
"Michael Jackson's children unmasked for the first time By Mark Jefferies June 6, 2009
Here's real piece of pop history – as one of Michael Jackson’s three children is unmasked for the first time.
...elder son Prince Michael I, 12, faced up to full scrutiny as the two walked through the parking lot at a Los Angeles recording studio.
His fresh-faced daughter Paris Michael, 11, was also maskless."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z18TS0MYzN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1190721/Unmasked-A-rare-glimpse-Michael-Jacksons-kids-faces-visit-recording-studio.html#ixzz18TS0MYzN)
Unmasked: A rare glimpse of Michael Jackson's kids faces as they visit a recording studio
By Richard Simpson
Created 8:14 AM on 04th June 2009
Prince Michael, 12, and Paris, 11, were photographed in Los Angeles.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/04/article-1190721-0533D131000005DC-267_468x598.jpg)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/ ... 68x598.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/04/article-1190721-0533D131000005DC-267_468x598.jpg)
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Good question. I was wondering about this too when we passed Carolwood Drive last summer (such a coincidence that I had to be there :lol: )
When we entered Carolwood Drive we immediately saw the house on the right, which is a busy place with a lot of traffic, cars and sightseeing buses. In front of the gate I was thinking: really, why would Michael consider living here on this spot? Because it's too prominent and too easily accessible for fans, paparazzi etc. Though, for a hoax it IS the right place, it's a good stage ;)
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When Oprah interviewed katherine and the children, Paris said the she use to go on the roof with her father eating snickers, and she use to see the light of the Luxor hotel. So I think they were always living in Las Vegas. I think the house in Carolwood was just for the hoax. Michael knew it was a busy street. What better to plan a hoax. But then yet again, there was a moving truck when Michael supposedly passed away, and the sisters went to the rented house to get all his belongings. Like I said earlier, there was a picture of Michael with an umbrella, and his children walking infront of garages door. That was carolwood rented house. This is very confusing. Hope we can unravell this suspense. Blessing to you all.
Yeah it's weird that Paris talks about being in Vegas enjoying the view when they supposedly lived the last months in this house in LA...
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these pictures are supposed to be from 2008 Christmas so presumably taken at Carolwood:
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/Carrie.jpg)
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/officialpic.png)
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/Carrie-Fisher-with-Blanket-Christmas-2008.png)
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these pictures are supposed to be from 2008 Christmas so presumably taken at Carolwood:
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/officialpic.png)
Same archway, same large vase, same stair landing - the only thing different is the mirror on the wall... looks like they were in the house long enough to take pictures. ;)
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/10 ... me/6824258 (http://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/100-N-Carolwood-Dr-90077/home/6824258)
(http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/40/bigphoto/269/10-486269_2_1.jpg)
http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/40/bi ... 69_2_1.jpg (http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/40/bigphoto/269/10-486269_2_1.jpg)
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two more pictures:
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/noybde.jpg)
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/5105_1171451562756_1122007629_30554109_3857355_n.jpg)
:?
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Ok, but from Christmas... Some people spend christmas in different place than their home. (See, Katherine Jackson, renting a huge house when she a condo available... :lol: )
@Sinderella : Heyo Girl ! I was worried i didn't find you anywhere for 2 days ! i thought your computer crashed or something.
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Ok, but from Christmas... Some people spend christmas in different place than their home. (See, Katherine Jackson, renting a huge house when she a condo available... :lol: )
yes, I know, it should not be a definitive proof
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@amber...In response to what you heard on Sky News,I would like to confirm this.When my mum and I were on holidays in America from April19th until May 1st 2009 we stayed in West Hollywood.On the 20th April 2009 we went on a Hollywood house tour.We got picked up at The Beverley Hills Hilton and taken all through Bel Air ,being shown all the many famous homes.We drove slowly as the roads were quite narrow and surrounded with big hedges.I remember passing the house with the Xmas wreaths and someone on the bus commented as to why they were there,and the guide said because Sean Connery spends so much time away from the house that no-one has taken them down.Obviously at the time being prior to 25th June 2009,I never really thought anything of this.Of course after everything started to unfold after 25th June 2009,I believe this is why I am so drawn to this.I asked my mother if she remembered the wreaths,and she said yes.She also remembered the guide telling every-one that it was where Sean Connery lives.I guess this perhaps one of the reason why I suspect something very strange happened at North Carolwood Drive that day.This I believe was part of Michaels Big plan.An illusion being played out for the world to see.
The Greatest Show On Earth!
I have mentionned this a while ago.CheersXXXOOO
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I found the site with photo of the house with the note it was Sean Connery house uploaded in 2007:?
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/sean1-1.jpg)
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@amber...In response to what you heard on Sky News,I would like to confirm this.When my mum and I were on holidays in America from April19th until May 1st 2009 we stayed in West Hollywood.On the 20th April 2009 we went on a Hollywood house tour.We got picked up at The Beverley Hills Hilton and taken all through Bel Air ,being shown all the many famous homes.We drove slowly as the roads were quite narrow and surrounded with big hedges.I remember passing the house with the Xmas wreaths and someone on the bus commented as to why they were there,and the guide said because Sean Connery spends so much time away from the house that no-one has taken them down.Obviously at the time being prior to 25th June 2009,I never really thought anything of this.Of course after everything started to unfold after 25th June 2009,I believe this is why I am so drawn to this.I asked my mother if she remembered the wreaths,and she said yes.She also remembered the guide telling every-one that it was where Sean Connery lives.I guess this perhaps one of the reason why I suspect something very strange happened at North Carolwood Drive that day.This I believe was part of Michaels Big plan.An illusion being played out for the world to see.
The Greatest Show On Earth!
I have mentionned this a while ago.CheersXXXOOO
This is very interesting, but could it be that the tour guide simply didn't know Michael had moved into the house?! I don't know exactly how tour operators work and whether they're always up-to-date with who lives where... Or maybe because Michael was going to rent the house for a relatively short while (before going to London) one could say it wasn't technically his "home "...
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They are supposed to know. They get paid to know. This is interesting that they said Sean Connery lived there.
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Even for small time, i don't see a tourist bus missing the chance to say "here is MICHAEL JACKSON'S House" :roll:
I mean why say it's Sean Connery empty house when it is michael jackson living there...
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Ok time to do a California Property search of the Carolwood Home. Thanks.
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And on April May, Tour annoucement was made...so there must have been FANS around the house, at least sleeping there lol... but yet we got no picture taken of MJ going in or out the house...when he was going to rehearsal on daily basis ? Not a single one ?
Not a single phone from a fan or even from a paparazzi to steal a single video or a single picture of MJ making any V sign through the window while the car enters the home ?
and this was after the announcement, right on Sunset bd :lol:
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In same day!
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In same day!
can you explain ?
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@Truthprevails...That is exactly what I thought.When I realised that this was the same house that Michael was living in, it got me wondering why on earth did he not say,
This is where Michael Jackson is staying in preparation for his up and coming concerts".Imagine the questions we would have all asked him.If only I had known what was unfolding right in front of my eyes I would have paid more attention.To this day I still find this the oddest thing,because as you were discussing wouldn't you think that there would have been fans,photographers around the house waiting to catch a glimpse of the most famous person on the planet.My conclusion is that this house was a perfect decoy,Michaels illusion.Cheers xxxooo
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From someone's blog, a post about Tours of the Stars homes dated August 27, 2010. There is only this link to the cached version. If you go to the person's blog, this post has been deleted from the actual blog.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-gCUMV0ecW8J:bigpacific.ning.com/profiles/blogs/tour-of-stars-homes+sean+connery+hollywood+residence+carolwood&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
"While still at the stop sign look to your left. That huge castle-like mansion belongs to Sir Sean Connery (100 N. Carolwood Dr.). There’s a small gate on the left. A car with white walls was parked inside that gate for almost a year. It was covered but obviously an old car since it had white walls. One day it was gone. The large front gates are just to the left after the stop sign. Last year I was about to pull into Connery’s driveway to turn around when those gates started to open. I thought someone was coming out but it was Sean Connery racing past me in his Mercedes. The gates quickly closed quickly once he was on the property. Sean Connery’s mansion was leased to Michael Jackson at the time of his death. This is where he died and you’ll find several flowers and other mementos left by fans to the left of those front gates."
This person is saying he saw Sean Connery drive into the gates of 100 Carolwood drive in 2009. If he means literally "in the last year" that means this was after June, 2009 since the date of this blog post is August 27,2010.
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MJ's stylist Rushka Bergman visited the house for meetings re TII rehearsal wardrobe -
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a63b751a970b-800wi)
Go to 2:40 mins - looks like this is a side or secondary entrance to the house - cover pic and @ 2:36 mins must be the stairwell where Kai Chase saw Murray carrying the oxygen tanks in the mornings, one in each hand (ho hum)...
[youtube:2cmj12bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du0d5tMCJRU&feature=related[/youtube:2cmj12bq]
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Ok, somebody get me Sir Connery, right here, RIGHT NOW !! :lol:
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I would debunk this theory based on Kai Chase story of that day. She was working there before May, then was temporary out, then back again to that house to work. Kai would say that she was working at the different house. You don't think that they all came to the 100 N. Carolwood Dirve only for the June 25 to perform hoax. So, I don't think so either.
But as I always say, somebody else but Michael was taken to the hospital. She did not see who was taken to the hospital. Or, Michael was taken to the hospital but he did not die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEMizSwjC3I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEMizSwjC3I)
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Here's some info on the property, posted on 22 Dec. 2008:
http://realestalker.blogspot.com/2008/1 ... -move.html (http://realestalker.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-michael-jackson-on-move.html)
COPIED HERE:
Is Michael Jackson on the Move?
According to the good folks at gossip juggernaut TMZ, fallen pop music icon Michael Jackson recently leased a humongous house in the posh Holmby Hills section of Los Angeles for a staggering $100,000 per month.
According to property records, the lavish and exuberantly decorated pile on N. Carolwood Drive is owned by Roxanne Guez who is (or was, we don't know) married to Hubert Guez, a somewhat controversial bizness man who made his millions manufacturing apparel in Mexico for all sorts of recognizable mass market brands. Mister Guez now serves as the CEO of a coterie of clothing brands including Ed Hardy and Christian Audiger.
Listing information we ferreted out shows the 3- story Richard Landry designed "French Chateau" style estate was built in 2002, measures in at a whopping 17,171 square feet and includes 7 bedrooms and an unlucky 13 terlits. Until sometime last week, the fit for a Saudi royal property was listed for sale with a blistering asking price of $38,000,000.
Other amenities of the gated and heavily fortified estate include subterranean garaging, 12 fireplaces, an impress-the-guests style entrance hall with a curving staircase, formal living and dining rooms, a wood paneled den with adjoining library, a theater room, a gore-may kitchen with eating area, family room and, of course, a wine cellar where The White Lady can store his rare collection of Julio and Gallo "Jesus Juice."
The 1.26 acre property includes a heated swimming pool (which we can't imagine Mister Jackson can use due to his various skin conditions) and an adjacent guest house for whatever handlers, minders and sycophants he still has on his payroll.
Of course, Your Mama don't know nuthin' about nuthin' but what we do know is that according to information we received, the house in question was indeed leased for $100,000 per month. But as of early this a.m. we're just not sure if it was (or was not) leased to Mister Jackson.
Although Mister Jackson has leased houses in Los Angeles in the past, including a big tacky thing up on Shadow Hill Way, Your Mama can't imagine why Mister Jackson would leave his relatively incognito digs in Las Vegas and come to Los Angeles, land of marauding paparazzi, can you?
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The house is listed as being on sale for $23.5 million:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/10 ... me/6824258 (http://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/100-N-Carolwood-Dr-90077/home/6824258)
(Pics and property details here.)
Property Features:
24 Hour Security
Gated Community
Guest House
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More info here:
http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/ ... 7_f17ee001 (http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/100-N-Carolwood-Dr_Los-Angeles_CA_90077_f17ee001)
Property Information for 100 N Carolwood Dr
Property Features:
•Single Family Residence
•Year Built: 2002
•8 Bedrooms
•11 Bathrooms
•Approximately 16,119 Sq Ft
•Lot size: 54,870 Sq Ft
•County: Los Angeles
•Heating type: Heating & Cooling
•Heating detail: Central
Financial History:
Last sold for $18,500,180 on 1/16/2004
Last assessed at $20,377,083 on 2010
Previous sales
•$18,500,000 on 1/16/2004
Previous assessments
•$20,377,083 on 2010
•$20,425,493 on 2009
•$20,425,493 on 2008
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http://www.traxee.com/posts/776-michael ... nning-tour (http://www.traxee.com/posts/776-michael-jackson-s-home-featured-on-the-off-n-running-15th-anniversary-celebrity-running-tour)
"In 2002, the now famous home at 100 N. Carolwood Drive in Holmby Hills was owned and occupied by Sean Connery. That home will now forever be famous as the last residence of Michael Jackson."
If Sean Connery owned the property in 2002, and it was sold in 2004, then I'm guessing Connery stopped owning it (or living there) in 2004. I don't believe that blog post saying Connery went through the gates in 2009... That person may not even have seen who was in the car, and might have made the whole thing up. Or maybe Connery was visiting. Or... I dunno.
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Sir Thomas Sean Connery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery)
Connery was later discharged from the navy on medical grounds because of a duodenal ulcer. Afterwards, he returned to the co-op, then worked as, among other things, a lorry driver, a labourer, an artist's model for the Edinburgh College of Art and a coffin polisher. :shock:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/ce ... -22512304/ (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-interviews/2010/08/25/sean-connery-at-80-my-acting-days-are-over-but-i-m-still-loving-life-86908-22512304/)
Sean Connery at 80: My acting days are over but I'm still loving life
Aug 25 2010 Exclusive interview by Rick Fulton
SIR SEAN CONNERY told last night how he was ''thrilled" that he had reached 80 - and promised that there was life in the old Bond yet.
Surrounded by wife Micheline and 15 of his close family at his home in the Bahamas, the 007 legend said he was recently laid low by weeks of health problems but he was on the mend.
Speaking exclusively to the Record on the eve of his 80th birthday today, Sir Sean said: "I'm swimming every day and I'm even trying to get the golf swing working again - but that might take a little bit longer.
"During the summer, I wasn't in pain but I wasn't feeling great.
"I came to the Edinburgh Film Festival in June then, when I left for the south of France, I realised I'd lost a little bit of weight and needed to change my regime.
"I've done that and the last few days have been pretty special with the family here.
"We've eaten non-stop and it has been a great celebration."
It's been an incredible 80 years for a man who rose from humble beginnings as Thomas Sean Connery, in Fountainbridge, Edinburgh, to become Scotland's most famous living person.
He's an Oscar-winning actor, a knight of the realm and a Hollywood legend forever remembered as the best James Bond.
But even now, Sir Sean would never think of resting on his laurels. He said: "The knighthood I received was a fantastic honour but it's not something I've ever used and I don't think I ever will.
"It's incredible to think of the boy growing up in Edinburgh being given one of the highest awards that can be given."
No Scots entertainer has reached so many homes and enriched so many people's lives as our greatest acting legend.
But it's not just the iconic Bond movies, such as Dr No, Goldfinger and Thunderball, for which Sir Sean is most loved.
His other memorable movies include The Man Who Would Be King, Marnie, A Bridge Too Far, Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade, Time Bandits and The Untouchables (for which he won his best supporting actor Oscar in 1988 as old cop Jim Malone).
Much has been made of Sir Sean's retirement from acting.
His last film, The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, was in 2003. And despite persistent rumours that he may return, he revealed to the Record it is unlikely we will ever see him grace the silver screen again.
He said: "I don't think I'll ever act again. I have so many wonderful memories but those days are over.
"I've done a voiceover for an 85-minute animated film called Sir Billi, which I enjoyed and it will be exciting to see that project finished. Shirley Bassey sings the theme and Ruby Wax was also involved."
Of course, the great man has been around the showbiz block enough to never say never (again).
Basking in the sun at his plush Bahamas home, it's incredible to think of his life's journey. As a child back in the 1930s, Thomas, as he was known then, slept in the bottom drawer of the family wardrobe and would only get a proper (sofa) bed when his brother Neil arrived eight years later.
His mum Effie was a cleaner and his dad Joseph a lorry driver.
Sir Sean has always strived hard to improve his life. At the age of nine he got a job delivering milk, working in the evenings as a butcher's assistant.
At 13, he left school to become a full-time milkman, before joining the armed forces aged 16.
During his three years in the Navy, he got his famous tattoos "Scotland Forever" and "Mum and Dad", before a duodenal ulcer cut short his military career at 19.
He admitted: "I left Scotland when I was 16 because I had no qualifications for anything but the Navy, having left school at 13."
Back in Scotland, Sean turned his hand to a range of jobs - a coffin polisher, labourer and a nude artist's model for Edinburgh College of Art.
Big Tam, as he was known due to his gangly frame, started bodybuilding and his physique landed him a part as a spear carrier in a 1952 production of The Glorious Years starring Anna Neagle.
He then entered the Mr Universe contest. One of the competitors mentioned that auditions were being held for a production of South Pacific and Sean, as he was now known, landed a small part.
His first film role was an uncredited part in the 1955 movie Lilacs In The Spring, a musical drama starring Errol Flynn.
It was another three years before he got his first big break, opposite Lana Turner in Another Time, Another Place.
Roles in films such as Tarzan's Greatest Adventure followed before he hit the big time in 1962 as suave secret agent James Bond in Dr No.
Connery became world-famous, starring in five more Bond movies - Goldfinger, From Russia With Love, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds Are Forever. He also reprised the role in unofficial Bond movie Never Say Never Again.
His favourite isn't, as most people think, Thunderball.
Sir Sean said: "From Russia With Love was my absolute favourite.
"The story was intriguing and the locations were intriguing. It was an international movie in every sense of the word."
Asked which of all his many films he enjoyed most, he said: "Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade.
"I was working with Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. The teamwork was special. It was a great adventure and Harrison Ford and Denholm Elliot were wonderful actors. I had so much fun."
He also says he enjoyed working with legendary director Sidney Lumet, with whom he made six films.
The movie that stumped him completely was Meteor, an early 1970s sci-fi thriller about an asteroid on a collision course with Earth which co-starred Natalie Wood.
He laughed: "It's probably top of my worst films list. It just bombed.
"It had a great director, it had good actors including Karl Malden (star of TV cop show The Streets Of San Francisco) but the special effects were a bit limited."
As well as being famous for his acting and his desire for an independent Scotland, Sir Sean is one of our keenest football fans.
A regular at Rangers games, he was once a keen footballer himself and played for Bonnyrigg Rose in his younger days and was offered a trial with East Fife.
While on tour with South Pacific, Sean played in a football match against a local team that legendary Manchester United manager Matt Busby happened to be scouting.
According to reports, Busby offered Sean a contract worth £25 a week immediately after the game.
But he realised that at 23, he only had about seven years of top-class football left, while acting could last considerably longer.
While he still enjoys a kickabout with grandson Dashiell (by his only son Jason), Sir Sean admitted one of his biggest vices is football on TV.
He speaks at least once a week with close friend and Rangers owner Sir David Murray about the state of the game and believes Scottish football is definitely on the up.
Sir Sean said: "There are lots of good young Scots players in the SPL and the English Premier League and they're being given a chance. That's got to help the national team."
Seven years ago, he said he would come back to live in Scotland when it is independent. He hasn't lived here for decades and is allowed into the UK for only 90 days a year.
But he's still a frequent visitor to his homeland. In June, he unveiled a plaque marking his childhood home in Fountainbridge.
When asked if there is anything he misses about Scotland, he said: "The craic."
He added: "It's certainly not the rain. There are so many characters in Scotland."
He is certainly one of them. Happy 80th birthday, Sir Sean.
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yeah, and why not keep going about 007 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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yeah, and why not keep going about 007 :lol: :lol: :lol:
He was James Bond in 7! movies :o
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Yeah, MJ in the house of 007 :mrgreen: That rocks !
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Yeah, MJ in the house of 007 :mrgreen: That rocks !
And the postcode is 90077.
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[youtube:25ek3k37]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9cZJJcPk6Y&feature=related[/youtube:25ek3k37]
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Yes Sean Connery is now a Permanent Resident holder in the Bahamas and lives in Nassau with his wife who also is a Permanent Resident holder. He considers the Bahamas his home.
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They were 7 the actors who interpreted the personage of James Bond
Sean Connery (1962-1971),(1983):
David Niven (1967)
George Lazenby (1969):
Roger Moore (1964),(1973-1985):
Timothy Dalton (1987-1989):
Pierce Brosnan (1995-2002):
Daniel Craig (2006-actualidad):
and Barry Nelson
Casino Royale (TV, 1954)
But it was an adactacion for the television, but in the cinema they were 7 till now.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond)
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They were 7 the actors who interpreted the personage of James Bond
Sean Connery (1962-1971),(1983):
David Niven (1967)
George Lazenby (1969):
Roger Moore (1964),(1973-1985):
Timothy Dalton (1987-1989):
Pierce Brosnan (1995-2002):
Daniel Craig (2006-actualidad):
and Barry Nelson
Casino Royale (TV, 1954)
But it was an adactacion for the television, but in the cinema they were 7 till now.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond)
But "officially" only 6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond#The_EON_films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond#The_EON_films)
But this "007" road is interesting (Don't forget the MGM-Sony connection), we should explore some more... in another thread :lol:
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"I fell,trapped into her web of sin..but I loved it 'cause it's dangerous"
haha,of course he did.
Tune.
I see the number 7 is back in the room...all this math pains my brain
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[youtube:3bjr26hn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9cZJJcPk6Y&feature=related[/youtube:3bjr26hn]
haha no freakin way
there are 7 backing dancers (for part of it anyways)
pause at 1:24
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"I fell,trapped into her web of sin..but I loved it 'cause it's dangerous"
haha,of course he did.
Tune.
I see the number 7 is back in the room...all this math pains my brain
Wasn't me :mrgreen:
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I'm sorry, but what does living or not living at 100 North Carolwood have to do with #7? I just don't understand the passion for numbers on this forum, and it really just makes me want to give up... I'm a facts-oriented person, and feel like so much of what has been going on lately has been "reaching"... Just people jumping on tiny "clues" that aren't even necessarily clues.
So what if MJ loved the number 7? What does that tell us? What if he leased the house from Sean Connery? I don't see any significance... He probably still lived there (at least to some extent) between Dec. 2008 - June 2009, which means nothing (IMO) for hoax purposes. There were fans who saw Michael go in and out, and were even invited inside the house. So Michael certainly spent some time there.
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I'm sorry, but what does living or not living at 100 North Carolwood have to do with #7? I just don't understand the passion for numbers on this forum, and it really just makes me want to give up... I'm a facts-oriented person, and feel like so much of what has been going on lately has been "reaching"... Just people jumping on tiny "clues" that aren't even necessarily clues.
So what if MJ loved the number 7? What does that tell us? What if he leased the house from Sean Connery? I don't see any significance... He probably still lived there (at least to some extent) between Dec. 2008 - June 2009, which means nothing (IMO) for hoax purposes. There were fans who saw Michael go in and out, and were even invited inside the house. So Michael certainly spent some time there.
I don't know about number 7, it started with sean connery being James bond and MJ living in 007's house lol ! I also believe it has nothing to do with hoax.
If you know that some fans went into the house, then, lucky you ! That why I opened the thread for : getting some evidence to proove this house is not just "hoax purpose rented" as i feel it was. This was the exact purpose of my post : finding the clues and proofs to debunk the clues and make the result of all this.
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Hello everybody!
I haven't read all your post but I can ASSURE you that Michael LIVED at Carlwood. At least in 2005. We were very few fans to know that he was staying there and my friend MET him as he was driving back home from the trial. Right before the gates opened, he opened his windows and my friend and him talked.
The idea of renting the house for the purpose of the hoax...why not. All I know is that there was a time when he was there to live in there, and during this time he was very weak and even sick, I think ( during the trials). Because of that purpose and by the time, he didnt want anybody to know he was renting this house because he really needed to rest and did not want to be haunted by the paparazzis. I have never met him personnaly there, but I drove by many times and could see upstairs some bodyguards walking around the house at night to make sure he was safe.
My theory is that he had the hoax in mind since few years, but the trials in 2005 have almost KILLED him and I'm sure it has motivate his will to take his revenge over the media (even if of course, revenge might not be the number one motivation for him). So he might have started working really hard on this hoax right after he was "freed", could be that he has been organizing everything in this house and did not want poeple to come in, but well, as to answer your question...he lived there for sure.
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Hello everybody!
I haven't read all your post but I can ASSURE you that Michael LIVED at Carlwood. At least in 2005.
I am sorry but I am going to have to correct you
Michael lived in Neverland until the trials in 2005,he then went to live in Bahrain and Ireland for 18months from 2005 to the end of 2006, he organised a move to Vegas in Dec 06 with Jack Wishna.He lived at Monte Cristo way for about 6months and left there in June 2007.
The reports for him moving to LA and renting Carolwood started late in 2008.
He also rented a home at W. Palomino Lane which he supposedly lived in between Monte Cristo and Carolwood and up until early 2009.
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I still can assure you that he was living at Carlwood way before 2008. When he was leaving the trials, two vans were actually leaving: everybody thought Michael was in the first and this van was going...where he was supposed to live back then (dont remember wether it was Neverland or not), and a second van was leaving afterwards with the real him inside. I know that it happened that way at least few times. My friends and I were close to some members of the family back then and thats how we knew he was hiding there. My friend had been waiting for him in fornt of the gates because she knew he would leave court and come directly home. The first thing that Michael did when he opened the window was to make her promise that she wouldnt tell anyone he was staying there. More because of the paparazzis than because of the fans, I guess. Again, he was extremely weak and needed to protect himself to survive Im sure ( so no offend to his fans). I dont know what has been said in the medias but whatever was said, believe me or not, he didnt first move at Carlwood in 2008, no way. Anyway, I was just trying to help and share what I know....Take care
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Oh, i see.
So if he lived there..that leads us obviously to..
to what?
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Oh, i see.
So if he lived there..that leads us obviously to..
to what?
you should re-read the purpose of the post ;) The point is that i THINK he might never lived there and so we work on prooving he actually lived there : pictures, videos etc...for the moment, apart from fans statement (and if they are insiders or non-believers or fakers, how can we trust what they could say...) we have ALMOST NOTHING about MJ actually living there.
The point is : if someone never lived somewhere, and that no paparazzi ever caught him in that place, how could he die in that place and have a paparazzi right there at the exact day and time of the day. My point is to proove that his stay in this house was staged, along with the presence of the paparrazzi on that special day, contrasting with the lack of paparazzi (and fans) pictures from the previous 7 months.
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exactly 7 months :o
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WhatYourHeartSays, I am a believer and not a faker, I promise!!!!! I'm trying to find out the truth, just like you, and I would never ever make any fake statements here!! I am sure my friends and I were not the only one to know Michael was living there... The friend who met him there believes that Michael died, still Im gonna ask her if she can maybe post something here and give more details/proofs, maybe she also knows other poeple who took pictures with him in front of the gates, I dont know!! I think your theory coud have been a good point to proove everything was fake/staged, but don't you think MJ could also have rented this house secretly to prepare his hoax without anybody to know? I totally agree with you, it's very strange that only a few poeple knew about it :?
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If people indeed saw MJ going to Carolwood during the trials this does not mean he lived there. It is also interesting that during his trial period, his children were no where to be seen. He may have been heading there because it was a safe place to be during the trials (perhaps) and also he would be closer to the courthouse and didn't have to make the 2 or 3 hour trip every day. Still that does not mean he was living there, per se. Michael had many people who he could rely on and perhaps one of his friends or business associates let him use the place. His main place of residence at that time was Neverland.
We have to have proof that he was indeed living there, just because we see him going in doesn't mean that he lived there.
Also, I am sure the paps were on his tail all the time, so he could have been moving around alot during that time period.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=701550n&tag=related;photovideo
You will see the convey of SUVs leaving Neverland in this video.
He lived there everyday until the trial was over.He will have been under house arrest, tagged and had curfew.
The courts would not of allowed him to be in another residence.When on bail/tag the perimeters of the house you live in are measured to the inch so if you go over those boundaries past curfew,your doomed and go back to court/prison.The system does not allow multiple residence for obvious reasons.
He lived in Neverland until the not guilty verdict was read out,packed up and went to live in Bahrain/Ireland for the rest of 05/06
During the trial the children where at the Encino house,KJ had temp custody of them.
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Will read later.
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@ Sinderella,Thank-you for your post on where Michael was in 2005.I just thought it was very odd what our tour guide said,after I learnt that Michael was there after June 25th 2009.My mum and I were on a holiday of a lifetime,and I will never forget it in more ways than one .It is a wonderful country,and we can't wait to get back.
I was also thinking about a article that TMZ posted in June about" To Russia With Love''.This made me wonder about the whole Sean Connery thing,or maybe I am retching
I'll never forget seeing the Xmas wreaths,and had know clue that Michael Jackson was there.Wonder why this tour guide didn't know either.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/11/michael-j ... g-protest/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/11/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-rally-court-hearing-protest/)
Cheers xxxooo
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I just talked to my friend and she is 30000000000% POSITIVE about the fact that Michael LIVED at Carolwood and did not want anybody to know because of the press. Thats what Michael told her. Apparently, some paparazzi who were "close" to Michael knew that too like Ben, that guy who is supposed to have taken the ambulance pic (try to ask him the question if you can contact him he will confirm you what I am saying). But he loved Michael and wanted to stay loyal and thats probably the reason why he also did not tell anybody, and why he never made any pictures of Mj there. As somebody wrote, Michael was probably staying there during the trials because it was a place safe to be and also because it was closer to court. I also think it makes sense, when you are sick and "weak" because of all the things going on, to stay in a closer place and make sure you won't spend half of each day on the road.
I dont know about what the law allows and not allow, but I'm dying to know the truth just like all of you, I've been posting on this forum for almost a year, and I would never ever post any informations I am not 100000% sure about. Or if im not sure, I would just say so. But he lived there, which doesnt mean that this house was not used as well to prepare the hoax....
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@babyshine...I am not sure what happened in 2005,as I personally was going through the loss of my father in 2004,so for my mum and I to have a trip of a life time to America was truely amazing ,as I said before I do not know why the tour guide never mentionned that Michael was staying in this house,but this whole discussion certainly opens another door to this mystery/illusion.I was ownly sharing what I know,and I believe that is what has lead me on Michaels journey of discovery.Discover The Man We Never Knew.I was simply in the right place at the right time.
Ironically for my mum and I, we were sharing her dream of visiting Graceland.Los Angeles was our 3 day stop over,then off for our week in Graceland,rounding off our trip in Las Vegas,ironically staying at Treasure Island,where Kenny Ortega had created the Siren Cove .None of this was at all significant in relation to Michael for me till after 25th June 2009, when I tried to figure out why I never felt that he had really 'Died'.I am here discovering and learning new things about Michael,and thanks to everybody here it has been a real rollercoaster ride,with many sleepless night.I barely went near a computer,and know very little about them ,but some how I am learning how to weave my way around here.So in relation to were Michael was in June 2009 I can only go by what I saw in April 2009 through the eyes of a tour guide.Sorry for the long post.
It's all for LOVE.
On another note I put up a video regarding a TMZ reference to Sean Connery.I noticed that his favourite movie was..To Russia With Love.So maybe there is something in our discussion on Sean Connery.My other post is about 3 above this one.Maybe Tmz were giving us a cryptic message.
Cheers.Merry Christmas to all.xxxooo :
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@ Sinderella,Thank-you for your post on where Michael was in 2005.I just thought it was very odd what our tour guide said,after I learnt that Michael was there after June 25th 2009.My mum and I were on a holiday of a lifetime,and I will never forget it in more ways than one .It is a wonderful country,and we can't wait to get back.
I was also thinking about a article that TMZ posted in June about" To Russia With Love''.This made me wonder about the whole Sean Connery thing,or maybe I am retching
I'll never forget seeing the Xmas wreaths,and had know clue that Michael Jackson was there.Wonder why this tour guide didn't know either.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/11/michael-j ... g-protest/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/11/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-rally-court-hearing-protest/)
Cheers xxxooo
You're welcome,thank you for reading it and taking it in.
It is really odd to say it was Sean Connery's residence when he rarely lives there.They are supposed to be up to date,that is what tourists pay for.
I live there part time,so i've never taken one of those tours,but going back to the original topic of this thread,it does seem strange for Michael to live in such an exposed area.It is right near Sunset and Hollywood,tourist/celebrity psycho-stalker central.
I know the house has bad lighting,which by that I mean sun wise,it is quite shaded which would put most people off in LA since most people there want the sun 100% of the time but Michael and not being able to be in the sun would logically see that as a bonus.It is also not far from the Staples center(but lets be honests,wasn't like he was there everyday lol)
@Babyshine,I appriciate your input and sharing what you know/what your friend is saying and i'm not here to argue with you over this but I know that the law, regardless of how sick or weak you are,or how far the house is from the courts,will not change or bend for one person even if you are MJ.He lived at Neverland.They aren't there to make your trial comfortable or easy.I do not believe a man who is the most famous human being on the planet,who is also going through a 2nd child molestation trial,has every second of his life under a microscope by the media and the fans could sneak about and be hiding out in another residence and no one know.People make it their career to know where he is and what he does.
I am sorry,but I think your friend is either lying to you or is mistaken.That trial lasted 66days,everyone one of those days was reported on by the media who followed him to and from court.As I said he will have had a tag on and curfew so,he wouldn't be going anywhere other than to and from his home.He was stuck,under surveillence at the ranch.
The thread is about whether he lived there in 2008/9 or just rented it for the hoax-which is probable.
I'm done on this topic of 2005,I have tried to explain that BY LAW he will have to of been in Neverland.
Back to 08/09.
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************************************2nd round of CHARGES.
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************************************2nd round of CHARGES.
No, 1st round of charges, 2nd round of allegations. Stick to facts please.
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Haha..wow.Just wow.
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My thoughts exactly. ;)
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@Sinderella - You seem to know MJ's 2005 trial so well, what were his bail conditions exactly? Do you know?
@Mo - you're right, there was only one trial....the other was again extoration and bogus claims made against MJ.
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As I said I am done discussing the year 2005,trials,etc in a thread which is about where he lived in 2008/2009 and the use of Carolwood as a house/hoax location.
It is irrelevant to the hoax and anything to do with that trial has 1.gone and is 2.private information and his privacy should be respected as you would want yours to be.
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As I said I am done discussing the year 2005,trials,etc in a thread which is about where he lived in 2008/2009 and the use of Carolwood as a house/hoax location.
True. Can we stay on topic please?
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@Sinderella - that is what I thought.
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Just taking my theory back to light with this interview of Dr Freeze (who worked with Mike on "Break of Dawn", "A place with no name" and "Blue Gangsta"
quoting the part of the interview that made me go hmmmmmm again about MJ living in Carolwood before he died
(...)
Q: When you have finished the sessions with him, did you know that were finished or did you expect that he'll get back to work on other songs?
F: Since we started recording together, I knew that I would dedicate myself totally. I only wanted to work with anyone other than Michael. I had promised never to work with anyone else. It was a full time job: I worked with him for years. I was in the studio with him shortly before his death.
Q: You were in the studio with him just before his death?
F: Actually, we talked a lot and we were about to enter the studio. To be precise, I remember going to see him at his residence in Vegas, and there was a studio there. It was just before he leaves.
Q: You recorded something?
F: No, nothing was recorded, we just brainstormed. We were about to start recording sessions: one was ready and we prepared the equipment for the studio. I offered a few new songs I had written especially for him. He loved them very much, he wanted to save them, but he died.
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Full interview for anyone who hasn't read it/wants to read it
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=17617
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I keep returning to my thought that he was living in Las Vegas. I seem to remember an interview to Uri Geller when someone laughingly asked him if MJ was living in the pyramid in his garden. I think Uri answered something like that might not be as silly as it sounds. Hence, I just keep thinking of the Luxor in Vegas.