Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Videos => Topic started by: Michelle WilkieNZ on December 04, 2010, 04:36:32 AM
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[youtube:2sw5471j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd9EiohVKLc[/youtube:2sw5471j]
HERE IS THE LINK from MJHoaxEvidence
very interesting and there is more to come!! :D
love You all lots 'Keep The Faith' and "It's all for love' L.O.V.E!! ;)
love
Michelle
New Zealand!!
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Thanks for posting this and giving me the confirmation about "Michael".
They are ripping the fans off.
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why is michael allowing this.?????????????????
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I got about 2 minutes into the video and had the urge to ebay a speak n' spell and mash the ' E T I C U P' buttons.
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:shock: Ok before we all start thinking we are being conned!
We need to think about the evidence being presented, to me its a bit like the media presenting things, but with no evidence, its all hearsay, dont get upset! I could have made this video with some electronic voices and said what I believed was the truth :roll: Dont mean to say its the TRUTH. Just cause you read it in a magazine, on the tv screen or video screen dont make it factual. :roll:
Just my opinion, but you are of course entitled to your opinion also ;)
With Love as always.
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Thankyou for sharing this...I am now even more confused then before. I wish I could believe everything in this video. I want to soooo much, but I've become very cautious and find it hard to trust anymore........I hope this is all true.. God bless you xoxoxo
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This is the guy she is talking about......not much in the looks, but he does sound alot like MJ.
[youtube:ugbq2cg8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC2ou_dxjdk&feature=related[/youtube:ugbq2cg8]
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Has Karen Faye ever said anything like that? "Michael is alive for ME"...I can't remember..??
All I remember is her biting my head off on twitter telling me Michael is dead and to deal with it :lol:
Other than that, this info feels like it's legit to me... but no way of really knowing. I think it all makes a lot of sense though...
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Interesting about the voice double. You know, that would make so much sense. Especially for those of us who have been listening and scrutinizing every line of every song. We've all said that sometimes it sounds like Mike, and sometimes it doesn't... Hmm.
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This is the guy she is talking about......not much in the looks, but he does sound alot like MJ.
[youtube:qr7sn3ef]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC2ou_dxjdk&feature=related[/youtube:qr7sn3ef]
You're right... he wouldn't fool anybody based on his looks but wow, that voice. He's got it down. I'm amazed. I have no doubt now that there could be doubles used on the new album. In my opinion though this particular singer is almost TOO good though to the point where we might not be able to tell the difference, kinda scary. He's not perfect live, but I would imagine in a studio setting (when he doesnt have to dance and get out of breath) he would be even more impressive.
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ok for one thing about "questions from the insider" all these questions and answers are believable but we have also been told NOT to believe all we hear and read. The answers to the questions asked are a bit depressing. Once again i wish i hadnt watched this video but once again...it fills me with doubt. These kinds of videos actually upset me extremely. I hate being filled with DOUBT. Stop this coaster i want off NOW. :cry: :cry: :cry: :x
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Thank you for sharing this video with us. I am confused because if Michael hoaxed his death (and I believe he did) then wouldn't he have planned this album's release as well as be involved? How is it that he wouldn't have any involvement in that if Sony is a part of this? Maybe I need to hear that again but it doesn't make sense.
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OK, I'm confused about 1 thing in those answers from "the insider":
On the one hand Sony is involved in the hoax and working with Michael, but on the other hand it's releasing an LP which is a rip-off?! Then WHY is this album being released? I don't get it. Is this just a formality (Michael pretending to be doing albums for Sony and getting paid for it), while the fans are told by Randy (the voice of reason) that it's not MJ on the tracks and basically fans shouldn't buy the album? Is it only Randy we should listen to? But again, how can Sony promote something that Randy is trying to sabotage, if Sony is working with MJ?
Did any of you know of Robert Alexander Giles? I didn't, and he's pretty good indeed...
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Has Karen Faye ever said anything like that? "Michael is alive for ME"...I can't remember..??
All I remember is her biting my head off on twitter telling me Michael is dead and to deal with it :lol:
Other than that, this info feels like it's legit to me... but no way of really knowing. I think it all makes a lot of sense though...
KF probably said so many things to so many people that it's hard to verify! I'm not aware of such a statement by KF, but then I don't follow her. I agree that the answers seem legit*, and I personally fail to see an agenda (at least as yet). If she's trying to persuade people not to buy the album, she's pretty much only saying what Randy said... And I feel she has a point about Randy being the best friend to MJ (of all his male siblings - I noticed she said male). She hasn't said anything sensational (like Michael will BAM in a month)... only that we should watch out for developments, the O2 concerts are going to happen, and Michael is being assisted by various agencies (which I truly hope is the case!). I don't think there's any harm in listening to this person and making up our mind as to whether to believe her or not.
I found the point about Michael's outfits during rehearsals very interesting. I personally never thought about that, and don't recall seeing such an opinion expressed... though who knows, someone might have said it.
* Except for the 1 point I'm confused about (previous post).
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This is such an interesting set of videos....thank you for posting!
The thing that stood out to me was the word, "loyal". She used it to talk about herself and again about Randy Jackson.
She talked about how, because of her loyalty to Michael, she would not reveal any return dates etc., correct? Is she being loyal to Michael in making these videos? I sense, yes. I think perhaps even this set of secret insider videos is being, "produced". I had my hunches from the first one, and now fully realize it. Michael must be behind these. Not that it's him talking etc...(however....) but, that he is staging it all. It seems scripted for some reason. But, I do get the sense that loyalty is in play with these videos.
The other thing I want to touch on is the new album. She briefly said something about piracy and downloading of music. One of the things I see happening is just that. The, "leaking" of this music is really interesting to watch. The only songs I have heard off the new album are:
Breaking News, Hold My Hand, and One More Chance.
As far as I can tell, these are the ones that TMZ had on their site. It was linked and they played. It seems like there a many, "snippets" and "full versions" to download, however, I am not about to download a thing. I will wait for the album to hear them. I don't want to download something that is not supposed to be out yet. It's not right for me to do that. I have wondered why it seems to be a popular thing to do. Am I incorrect with thinking this? To download a song that hasn't been properly released is wrong....or am I in a cave? Now, that being said I heard parts of Another Day on YouTube way back when.....but only parts and not a download scenario. I never went looking for the whole song etc. Downloading all these MP3s off the new album seems wrong....or do you pay for them, if so who? Unless it's on itunes or something real, I steer clear. I have never opened a download link, so I might be way off base. I just know that when the album hits the stores, I'll buy it. I like what I have heard so far.....through TMZ. However, I even question the validity of that at times. I did feel sort of guilty hearing/seeing the music....why, I don't know. Like I said, I might be way off base....been known to happen, lol.
Anyways, thanks again for the video....very interesting. Hope you all have a most excellent day!
Blessings Always!
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could this be a deliberate ploy on michaels part...to show sony .as asses...................they take the fall......maybe that is his intention.only a thought.love to all.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Interesting observation, I've kind of entertained the thought about it being scripted, too. But I think it's one of those thing's we'll only find out when he returns and everything becomes a lot clearer.
BTW, One More Chance isn't on the album. It's being released as part of the short-film package.
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wishingstar:
Yes, the leaking of these songs is puzzling... It is not Michael's MO (modus operandi), as Akon said in an interview I just watched here somewhere. Akon said Michael wanted to build expectation in people, and to then offer them the fully finalized version of the album (not leak anything ahead of time). I feel that this leaking is giving the fans (well, those paying attention, like us) an extra reason not to buy the album! Hmm.
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Thanks for posting this and giving me the confirmation about "Michael".
They are ripping the fans off.
Michael or not, I don't think 8 pounds (UK) is a huge price to pay for a collection of nice songs. It's the price of a lunch in London, if not less. But of course it's an individual decision whether to buy the album or not.
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I've just bought Another Day from HMV for 99p. I'll try and post it on YouTube for everyone else to make they're own decision.
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I blogged about this back on September 8th, 2010, and happened to reread it the other day, and it more or less applies so I'm copying it here:
Consider this Earth Song thing; the version they showed us at the Grammys that was supposed to be the full! complete! yet before unseen! version was NOT full, complete, or unseen at all… in fact it was exactly the same thing we saw in TII… ok actually a shortened version of the shortened TII version……. and then the REAL full, complete, unseen version shows up randomly on YouTube or Facebook, as if it was delivered directly to the fans instead of being sold to them by Sony (TII) or the media (Grammys).
This is just one example as well. The weird J5 Facebook page has interesting videos that really genuinely are unseen and available no where else. I can’t explain that away, it just is the case. It’s a little like Michael is handing us his REAL work directly, with no big corporate middle man who has an agenda. No agenda, just entertainment…. if we are just a little patient.
With the Earth Song Grammys thing and TII too, he’s making them (Sony/media) look like idiots for over billing something and then not being able to deliver on the hype. “See the man you never knew”, huh? what in TII was the MJ we never knew? “Never before, unseen full version of Earth Song in 3D!!” Huh? That was a cut up version of TII Earth Song and the 3D was really poor. The audience leaves feeling let down or cheated. This is in gross violation to Barnum’s philosophy of doing business, one which we know Michael emulated. Interesting to note that P.T. Barnum is remembered in part for the great lengths he went to expose how his competitors swindled their customers.
I know I felt a little cheated after TII, especially with no Thriller short film. What they showed was like a trailer or teaser short. I know I felt a WHOLE LOT cheated after the Grammys with Earth Song because the marketing hype was so obvious that time, they CUT Earth Song, not showed the extended version! They lied and I was fuming for days over that.
Come to think of it, this happened with TII too. Remember the full HD version of TII was available to be viewed online for free while it was still in theaters? Not on opening night but before the two week run was finished there it was, one click and you’re watching This Is It in HD, full screen, on your PC, no download necessary.
You could also get the song This Is It online for free.
It will be interesting to see if that happens with the “new” album Sony is throwing (up) out in November. Maybe just maybe he’s been trying to prove that in advance of this release too, like: don’t bother spending your money, it’s going to be available free online. F*ck Sony, lol.
Is it a game?
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Sorry guys, I'm only allowed to download it from the 13th. Wish they'd told me that before they took my bloody money! :roll:
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I've been following the vid channel & I find it very interesting & done in a professional manner.
With regard to the imitator, I think he is very good, but I didn't personally find his voice to be to close to Michaels voice, that I would be mistaken.
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The video of the voice duble is really amazing, i got goose bumps while listening to him, he really does sound like Michael and the "insider's" theory about using his voice in some episodes of TII does sound possible for me, however the worst thing about the "insider" is that we won't know anything for sure:she can really be an insider as well as she can be just a sick troll. :evil: I wish she were real
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Thank you for sharing this video with us. I am confused because if Michael hoaxed his death (and I believe he did) then wouldn't he have planned this album's release as well as be involved? How is it that he wouldn't have any involvement in that if Sony is a part of this? Maybe I need to hear that again but it doesn't make sense.
I didn't understand that part either... :?
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Honestly, there is nothing in this video that we haven't talked about or speculated on. Many of the answers that the "insider" gave we already know. To me, this person may or may not be an insider but we're not really given any more info, just more to speculate on. This hoax is and has always been progressing daily, we're given evidence that basically proves Michael is definitely alive but then it's always mixed in with "doubts". If we know Michael is alive, ignore the doubts, that's what I do! Whether we have doubts or not, keep the faith, believe it, will it, because Michael will be back.
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Thanks for sharing. Here's another video of Robert Alexander Giles:
[youtube:31tlgxkm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFpKRr8ZqoM[/youtube:31tlgxkm]
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I blogged about this back on September 8th, 2010, and happened to reread it the other day, and it more or less applies so I'm copying it here:
Consider this Earth Song thing; the version they showed us at the Grammys that was supposed to be the full! complete! yet before unseen! version was NOT full, complete, or unseen at all… in fact it was exactly the same thing we saw in TII… ok actually a shortened version of the shortened TII version……. and then the REAL full, complete, unseen version shows up randomly on YouTube or Facebook, as if it was delivered directly to the fans instead of being sold to them by Sony (TII) or the media (Grammys).
This is just one example as well. The weird J5 Facebook page has interesting videos that really genuinely are unseen and available no where else. I can’t explain that away, it just is the case. It’s a little like Michael is handing us his REAL work directly, with no big corporate middle man who has an agenda. No agenda, just entertainment…. if we are just a little patient.
With the Earth Song Grammys thing and TII too, he’s making them (Sony/media) look like idiots for over billing something and then not being able to deliver on the hype. “See the man you never knew”, huh? what in TII was the MJ we never knew? “Never before, unseen full version of Earth Song in 3D!!” Huh? That was a cut up version of TII Earth Song and the 3D was really poor. The audience leaves feeling let down or cheated. This is in gross violation to Barnum’s philosophy of doing business, one which we know Michael emulated. Interesting to note that P.T. Barnum is remembered in part for the great lengths he went to expose how his competitors swindled their customers.
I know I felt a little cheated after TII, especially with no Thriller short film. What they showed was like a trailer or teaser short. I know I felt a WHOLE LOT cheated after the Grammys with Earth Song because the marketing hype was so obvious that time, they CUT Earth Song, not showed the extended version! They lied and I was fuming for days over that.
Come to think of it, this happened with TII too. Remember the full HD version of TII was available to be viewed online for free while it was still in theaters? Not on opening night but before the two week run was finished there it was, one click and you’re watching This Is It in HD, full screen, on your PC, no download necessary.
You could also get the song This Is It online for free.
It will be interesting to see if that happens with the “new” album Sony is throwing (up) out in November. Maybe just maybe he’s been trying to prove that in advance of this release too, like: don’t bother spending your money, it’s going to be available free online. F*ck Sony, lol.
Is it a game?
I'm wondering the same especially with all these random leaks that are not on the album like Slave To The Rhythm and Blue Gangster that are his vocals and are not overproduced.
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Honestly, there is nothing in this video that we haven't talked about or speculated on. Many of the answers that the "insider" gave we already know. To me, this person may or may not be an insider but we're not really given any more info, just more to speculate on. This hoax is and has always been progressing daily, we're given evidence that basically proves Michael is definitely alive but then it's always mixed in with "doubts". If we know Michael is alive, ignore the doubts, that's what I do! Whether we have doubts or not, keep the faith, believe it, will it, because Michael will be back.
Did you watch the other videos in that YouTube channel? There's a 3-part one by an "insider" (not sure if the same person) that does a very good analysis of TII. I certainly couldn't do something like that! I found out that the Amazon girl in TII had a double! There were 2 girls for that role... And this is just rehearsal footage?! That "insider" says TII was always meant to be a major feature film, and gives hints that suggest that Michael is heavily involved with Sony (might even be a Sony executive). She also says that Michael goes by several names in Hollywood. Very compelling stuff, in my view.
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This is getting deeper and deeper by the minute. I always knew that TII wasn't a coincidental. It was obviously meant to be a film. The voice double though is very eye opening though. It's almost freakish.
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Honestly, there is nothing in this video that we haven't talked about or speculated on. Many of the answers that the "insider" gave we already know. To me, this person may or may not be an insider but we're not really given any more info, just more to speculate on. This hoax is and has always been progressing daily, we're given evidence that basically proves Michael is definitely alive but then it's always mixed in with "doubts". If we know Michael is alive, ignore the doubts, that's what I do! Whether we have doubts or not, keep the faith, believe it, will it, because Michael will be back.
Did you watch the other videos in that YouTube channel? There's a 3-part one by an "insider" (not sure if the same person) that does a very good analysis of TII. I certainly couldn't do something like that! I found out that the Amazon girl in TII had a double! There were 2 girls for that role... And this is just rehearsal footage?! That "insider" says TII was always meant to be a major feature film, and gives hints that suggest that Michael is heavily involved with Sony (might even be a Sony executive). She also says that Michael goes by several names in Hollywood. Very compelling stuff, in my view.
No I haven't seen the other videos yet - I only had time to see the one posted here when I saw it. I will have to watch those other ones, maybe later today. From what you've said, they sound very interesting - I've always thought TII was supposed to be a movie, that the tour was a ruse. It wouldn't surprise me if Michael is in the higher echelons of Sony, considering he owns a huge part of the Sony/ATV catalogue - he may even own a huge part of Sony itself - it would make sense to me, considering all the movie references about MJ. And about him being known by several names rings true to me because of the various alias he supposedly used for "prescription drugs" - I think that was more of a reference to hidden dealings or something. Thanks for the heads up for the other videos!
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Yeah, I do find those videos very professional, low-key and believable. That person said, for instance, that there were no real auditions for the dancers (most of whom are primarily actors, actually). She also pointed to the LONG list of cast and crew for TII (available at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/fullcredits (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/fullcredits)) and the significant budget: $60 million! If you look at the credits list, you'll also see many people working on 3D stuff. That's for a sequel that's gonna be released. If TII were rehearsal footage for MJ's archives, the 3D stuff wouldn't be needed. That person also pointed to other things in TII which seem to indicate she knows stuff about the music industry and how rehearsals work etc.
Here's part 1 of the series I'm talking about (there are 4 parts, not 3 - sorry):
http://www.youtube.com/user/MJHoaxEvide ... UiXdkqy6iQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/MJHoaxEvidence#p/u/10/qUiXdkqy6iQ)
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Thank you for sharing this video with us. I am confused because if Michael hoaxed his death (and I believe he did) then wouldn't he have planned this album's release as well as be involved? How is it that he wouldn't have any involvement in that if Sony is a part of this? Maybe I need to hear that again but it doesn't make sense.
I didn't understand that part either... :?
me too
This "lady" contradicts herself and it makes me feel her opinions are totally invalid! This information is incoherent.
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This is getting deeper and deeper by the minute. I always knew that TII wasn't a coincidental. It was obviously meant to be a film. The voice double though is very eye opening though. It's almost freakish.
Yes, it's weird when you can't trust your ears anymore, and you don't know what the hell you're listening to! Maybe Michael will focus on movies and let some of these guys release songs under his name - and split the profits. LOL :shock: (scratching head)
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Okay, so I watched this video and I took notes.
Q: Where the TII dancers aware that this about the hoax?
A: No, but the signed confidentiality agreements and knew TII was a movie.
We know this already nothing new there. This has been posted on the board months and months ago.
A: The dancers/actors believe Michael is alive but they don't know specifics.
This "insider" has no way of knowing that, this is a theory and we have discussed this at length before. It is common sense that the less people involved in the actual hoax, the more successful the hoax will be. A need to know basis and only those that are very close to Michael and that he trusts would be involved.
They way Michael is Dressed in the film TII.
We already know that TII was filmed as a movie and not as rehearsal footage. We are aware of how Michael dressed in his previous rehearsal and in concert, there are many rehearsal and concert footage videos on youtube. All movies have "costumes" and this is not new information at all.
Return Date
The "insider" is not able to answer this just as all of us aren't. They are not a true insider and admits that they have "theories" (that is if this person really exists at all).
Elvis
We already know about Elvis and the connections with Michael and the possibility that Eliza's court case may reveal that he is actually alive. This has been extensively discussed on the forums, TS posts, LMP discussions etc. and there are many youtube videos about this.
Branca and McClain
The "insider' suggests that they may be removed from handling the estate...hmmm
There have been many questions previously brought up about Branca & McClain from the very start.The family originally tried to have the removed as executors of the estate. They are also handling the Kurt Cobain estate and Courtney Love has been vocal about their mismanagement of that estate and they may very well be under investigation from wrong doing in that case but we do not know for sure. Hazel and Twiggy have been posting on twitter, a forum and a blog all about this for months and we are aware of issues regarding the possibility of a false will etc. A person who works in the entertainment industry may very well be aware of this situation as are any of us in the hoax world. This "insider" is not providing any further information about this situation, it appears that they only know as much as we are already aware of and IMO this is just their "theory" on the situation. Nothing new here.
Removal of people involved in Epic, Legacy etc.
The "insider" says that we should be aware that this is going to take place within the next 12 months and we will Michael's hand in that. If this is to take place and was common knowledge to be occurring within the next 12 months wouldn't the people who are going to be removed also be aware of that? and if not they sure would be now..
You have to ask yourself if a singer/backup singer/dancer (or whatever this "insider" claims to be) would be privy to that kind of information and would Michael actually tell people he was going to instigate that in the future? Also does Michael have that much power to affect these other companies? How much involvement does he have with those record labels and can he influence the day to day business of them and for what purpose? This again comes across as theory based on possible rumours and speculation but is not a fact at this point.
TMZ
We are well aware of the TMZ connection. I wrote a post about the connections months ago. TS used that in one of their updates to show TMZ was an "informer". We know TMZ seems to have information before other media and that sometimes TMZ has unusual stories. This is not new to us at all, it has been discussed at length and we are already following TMZ faithfully. Nothing new here.
The TII Dancers Crying at the start of the film
We know this is it was filmed as a movie and not rehearsal footage, we have known this since the movie was released and have extensively discussed it. The "insider" tells us that it was shot out of sequence. well this is how all movies/videos are filmed. Any movie is actually created in the editing process and it doesn't take an insider to know that nor is it unusual. As for the music during these scenes, this is also not unusual, music is in movies to give ambiance, atmosphere and that is point of music in all movies. It doesn't take an insider to figure that out at all.
People mentioned as "in the know" on the hoax and that Michael is alive
The insider does not know for sure who is aware that this is hoax. They use wording throughout the video such as "i believe", "my theories" etc. This "insider: (if the exist at all) is telling us their theories, what they think about the situation and not what they know. There is no doubt that some people know that Michael is alive and others have come to believe that he is alive, just as we have. There is the possibility that some people were brought back into Michael's life at this time to expose them for their previous wrong doings; possibly as a pay back of sorts ie Karen Faye, Randy Jackson come to mind. We have believed from the start that Kenny Ortega was involved and that only makes sense since he was involved in the rehearsals, the production of the movie and has given many clues through twitter and interviews. This is not new information and again previously discussed on the forums. These are theories and speculation about who is involved and these are not facts being provided from an insider.
Sony
Everything that was stated about Sony in the video has been previously discussed by us. The "insider" says that Sony will release "Michael Jackson" material for the next 5-7 years ---> 2015 - 2017. We know about the contract that the estate signed with Sony, it was for 7 years so that's not new. This is also implying that Michael will not be returning for at least 5-7 more years...hmm What about Michael saying that we only have 4 years to get this right ---> 2012. If anything that may be a clue to the final return date that has been chosen and TS has said there was are possible return dates but that there is a final date that Michael has chosen to return by no matter what. In essence the "insider" is no more informed about this than we are. They cover their ass by saying that they wouldn't reveal that anyway because their allegiance is to Michael. I say "Oh really, than what is going on with these videos anyway" this person has no direct contact with Michael and everything they are stating is just theories and many of those can be found on this very forum. Later the informer goes on to say that Michael was still working with Sony. Well we already know this too as there was a contract between Sony and Michael in 2006. This isn't inside information at all.
Branca & McClain Again
The Insider previously stated that Branca & McClain are going to be removed from the estate implying that they are "bad" and now they are suggesting that these two are involved in the hoax by knowing that the TII was not rehearsal footage but actually filmed as a movie. The "insider" also says that Branca & McClain have enough material for the next 50 years but in actuality if there is this material is not held by Branca & McClain at all but by the estate and the informer previously suggested that these two would be removed from the estate. CONTRADICTIONS! They can not be both bad and involved in the hoax, this is not making sense and the infromer should make up their mind. :lol:
Diane Diamond
This is not new information we are all aware of Diane Diamond, her agenda, her association with Tom Sneddon. She also appeared on Michael's "Hit List" of those who were involved in working against him. Old news!
David Manning
The information on this is readily available on wikipedia and other sources. Not inside information.
"David Manning" was a fictitious film critic, created by a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation around July 2000 to give consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures. Several blurbs posted under the name "David Manning" were written for the medieval action/drama A Knight's Tale (citing Heath Ledger as "this year's hottest new star!") and Rob Schneider's comedy The Animal ("Another winner!"), the latter of which generally received very poor reviews by real critics.
David Manning was named after a friend of Matthew Cramer, the Sony marketing executive responsible for the insertions. Manning was credited to The Ridgefield Press, a small Connecticut weekly. During an investigation into Manning's quotes, Newsweek reporter John Horn discovered that the newspaper had never heard of him. Horn disclosed the truth about Manning in a June 2001 article in Newsweek, which emerged at around the same time as an announcement that Sony had used employees posing as moviegoers in television commercials to praise Mel Gibson's The Patriot. These occurrences, in tandem, raised questions and controversy about ethics in movie marketing practices.
On the June 10, 2001 episode of Le Show, host Harry Shearer conducted an in-studio interview with David Manning. The voice of Manning was provided by a computer voice synthesizer.
Some time after news of the hoax became widespread, actor Bryan Cranston, then a lead in the US television sitcom Malcolm in the Middle, took out a print advertisement in entertainment trade papers recommending his work to Emmy Awards voters. The ad featured positive comments from Mr. Manning as a joke.
On August 3, 2005, Sony made an out-of-court settlement and agreed to refund $5 each to dissatisfied customers who saw Hollow Man, The Animal, The Patriot, A Knight's Tale, or Vertical Limit in American theatres, under the impression that it would be a great movie due to Manning's reviews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_%28fictitious_writer%29
I am sorry but IMO this isn't proving anything about Sony and their involvement in the "fabricating Michael's voice" on the album or their actual knowledge of a hoax. I think that Michael has key people involved at Sony but this isn't the entire organization, Michael seems to have specific, individuals involved in different organizations linked to the hoax. The less people involved the more successful the hoax, the more people involve the higher the chances of unintended information being revealed or something being said too early.
Randy Jackson
The "insider" states that Randy was Michael's most trusted friend and confidante. I take issue with this statement because I have begun to wonder if Randy is actually in the know and this is for several reasons. This statement has also been written in several tabloids but I am starting to wonder if Randy is a "Judas" figure in all this. Michael was close to Randy prior to 2005. During 2005 it came to light that KF, Randy, Taunya Zilkie (Randy's GF) and others were involved in a fan site in which they were scamming fans. Michael found out closed the site down, refunded the fans money and fired them all. This situation leads me to believe that none of these people are trusted nor close to Michael after this incident. So I will say here that IMO this information from the "insider" is FALSE and reflects badly on their legitimacy.
"Sparsely used voice" in the new album
This is feeding into a controversy that already exists and we already know about. In actuality, only 3 of the 10 songs have only been questioned that isn't "Sparsely"; that means 7 of the 10 songs are not questioned as being Michael. This is not a factual statement but purely speculative by the "insider" and anyone else. It also feels like a way of trying to gain credibility by reiterating statements that have been made by others and confirming the beliefs of some people. Confirmation through already held and publicized beliefs; "oh yes, this insider says that I am right in what I thought about the new album, so they must be telling the truth".
Robert Alexander Giles
This impersonator seems somewhat famous in his own right for his voice. I don't know if he had this before the hoax began or after as I was not an MJ fan and I have never heard of him before. He looks nothing like Michael so it's pretty doubtful that he is actually in the movie TII (but of course I could be wrong :lol). If there were going to use doubles in the movie, to try and fool us, they would have wanted people who looked similar to Michael wouldn't they?
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/RobertAlexanderGiles.jpg)
Here is his website: http://www.ultimatemjtribute.co.uk/
The fact that he exists doesn't mean he had anything to do with vocals on the new album and the vocals have supposedly been Forensically analyzed by at least two professionals. It is possible that someone was used to complete the songs but anything is possible. The 'insider' has not provided proof that this is the case though and they are not an expert in Forensic voice analyzation. Again, this is just speculation and providing a possible person who may have been involved. A lot of possibilities but not facts. I would think that a forensic voice analysis, would reveal that the voice had been altered by effects to make it sound like MJ and no reputable examiner would put their career on the line to certify falsely that this Michael, if it wasn't. The reported impersonator who claims to have "possibly" created vocals for the album is named Ricky Galliano and he can't even be sure he actually did that. Seems shady... http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-impersonator-on-michael_1185856 and he has come up previously on the forums as well.
(http://www.tdg.ch/files/imagecache/468x312/story/Ricky_Galliano_02.jpg)
[youtube:15l9a346]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgwXoy3CxU[/youtube:15l9a346]
To sum it up: These videos are presenting things we are aware of already. The insider doesn't have any information that we haven't previously discovered and is readily available on the Internet. The information is mix of facts, theories, speculations and is nothing new. I make videos too, if I told you I had an informer would you believe me without providing any information about that informer? If I said that I was in contact with an "insider" would it make my videos more believable? If I repeated everything that was already on the forums and presented that in my videos in a chronological way, would you believe that I knew more than everyone else? Would I have more credibility with you even though my source remains anonymous and not even established as an actual source? If I say I have a source, do my theories then become more credible and the truth?
I could simply say that I have source...
Do you believe me? ;)
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so serenity......do you reckon we are all being played here........what you say makes good sense to me....i hate the fact that we are being made fools of by people.but i feel sure we are........xxx
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so serenity......do you reckon we are all being played here........what you say makes good sense to me....i hate the fact that we are being made fools of by people.but i feel sure we are........xxx
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so serenity......do you reckon we are all being played here........what you say makes good sense to me....i hate the fact that we are being made fools of by people.but i feel sure we are........xxx
The person making these videos may have been contacted by someone but there may also be no informer. We have no idea what is the truth. If they were, we have no idea who that person is. If there is an informer, they could be a believer, just like the rest of us. They could be someone who works in the entertainment field and has theories but these theories are similar to the ones found on the forums. The problem here is that these videos are presenting this as facts, from someone who has inside information and this is not the truth IMO.
Someone has been reading and viewing everything that we all have been reading and viewing and presenting this as their very own "inside" information. The videos contain contradictory information and are therefore not giving a clear, coherent picture of the situation and are highly speculative.
To answer your question, here are some to ask yourself: Do you need to be led or are you a leader already? Do you need to be "informed" about what is really going on here, in this hoax, or do you think for yourself and critically analyze everything that is brought to the table?
You are only played and made a fool of of, if you allow yourself to be.
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One word for this so called insider: FAKE!!!
Karen Fake knows about the hoax? Yeah sure! Is that the reason why she curses believers? NO WAY!
Dancers don't know about the hoax but only know about TII was filmed to be a feature film? Yeah, that must be the reason why they were laughing at the funeral posing next to MJ's LG picture! LOL
This person didn't tell us anything new. We had already known the things s/he told us about TII. I believe that this is definitely a fake!
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Thank you for this posting, very well done and interesting. So what she has said it is what we suspected all along it is not MJ singing in the new album.. i can't wait to hear the second part.
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Do you think that MJ is behind all the contraversy?
Wasn't it him who said, "Love a bit of contraversy...bring it on"
The album "MICHAEL" has received soooooo much attention due to the authenticity of the vocals....is it Michael or is it an impersonator.????? The only way you can find out is by buying the album.
I say this is the work of a genius! What a great marketing strategy .! Go Michael.
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Well come on Guys!!! ;)
I really feel everything on that video has been discussed over & over right here on this forum & you could look at this video from either way, but for me it just sounds like something from the whole "Boycott SONY" camp 8-)
Just because this is a well done video does not mean it is more believable ;)
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I enjoy this persons videos they do, they just give information we already know, or know if you done your research more ;)
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Maybe Michael himself is the impersonator in Breaking News, etc. He could be singing in a lower vocal register. not sounding quite like the Michael we have listened to for 40 years but haven't really heard for a decade. Wouldn't that be so Michael?! Someone is definitely stirring the pot....IMHO. 8-)
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One word for this so called insider: FAKE!!!
Karen Fake knows about the hoax? Yeah sure! Is that the reason why she curses believers? NO WAY!
ehhhh... but we don't really have enough info to decide 100% for sure either way. Maybe she is playing a role as well. It's a distinct possibility, especially after the Breaking News debate and the subsequent statements from everyone that it's real with no further information offered. This debate was purposefully started and the powers that be surely are aware of the BITTER fan war consuming the base and someone should be coming forward with some semblance of explanation for WHY MJ don't sound like MJ... but they don't and they let the war wage on. There's a reason for that and it sure doesn't seem like it's all for L.O.V.E.... much like KF.... but maybe we just don't know the reason why yet.
Dancers don't know about the hoax but only know about TII was filmed to be a feature film? Yeah, that must be the reason why they were laughing at the funeral posing next to MJ's LG picture! LOL
Yeah that is strange for sure. But who knows... maybe they are just that shallow, and when the group mentality kicked in, well... human nature, conformity, no real, honest feelings for the loss of MJ in any of them, and it was 70 days after the death, and maybe no one was around when the pic was taken? Cold but... these are college age kids we are talking here and all that respect for MJ might have been largely PR spin and good acting skills. People suck sometimes but MJ isn't everyone's hero.
This person didn't tell us anything new. We had already known the things s/he told us about TII. I believe that this is definitely a fake!
That's what people say about TS too (no new info) and I think that's more or less true on the surface. It's only when you look closer or read for content you start to realize what they are exactly saying. Might be a similar case here, just a different medium, voice instead of written word. For example, this Informer told us that the dancers were also listed in IMDb as actors and I did not know that before. I had never seen that on any of the forums, never read it in any blog post or news article, and never heard anyone mention it in any chat or convo, ever previous. Now, I'm not saying I've heard every single hoax related rumor out there but, I've been doing this to an obsessive over the top level since 7/09 and that was brand new info for me.
I'll stay open minded about it, listen to what they say and throw it up there with everything else and let my brain keep trying to make connections out of the now 546576195970 and 1 loose ends.
I think we (myself included) ought to be real careful about saying anything is definitely this or definitely that... rather things are more likely then others or most likely of all known possibilities. Like many others have pointed out here lately, all we are going on is theory in the vast majority of what we do here. Theories stand until they are dis-proven. The problem is we are researching an ongoing event and trying to understand and decipher what already did happen as well as predict what will come to pass in the future. Things change, new information comes out, we need to stay open minded.
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so serenity......do you reckon we are all being played here........what you say makes good sense to me....i hate the fact that we are being made fools of by people.but i feel sure we are........xxx
The person making these videos may have been contacted by someone but there may also be no informer. We have no idea what is the truth. If they were, we have no idea who that person is. If there is an informer, they could be a believer, just like the rest of us. They could be someone who works in the entertainment field and has theories but these theories are similar to the ones found on the forums. The problem here is that these videos are presenting this as facts, from someone who has inside information and this is not the truth IMO.
Someone has been reading and viewing everything that we all have been reading and viewing and presenting this as their very own "inside" information. The videos contain contradictory information and are therefore not giving a clear, coherent picture of the situation and are highly speculative.
To answer your question, here are some to ask yourself: Do you need to be led or are you a leader already? Do you need to be "informed" about what is really going on here, in this hoax, or do you think for yourself and critically analyze everything that is brought to the table?
You are only played and made a fool of of, if you allow yourself to be.
Thank you, Serenity. Great analysis. I, too, have no idea if this person is legit but they aren't telling us anything we either don't know, haven't speculated about, or can't find on the internet somewhere. I will listen to what they say but hold the information at arms length.
Another contradiction that this person made, if I can point it out, is that she says to listen to legit news sites (media), not tabloids. But she also said that TMZ was in on the hoax. Hmmm...last I checked, TMZ is a tabloid, right?
Also, doesn't it seem odd that she says (in the beginning) "what we're doing is very important to me..." IDK - that just seems very self-seeking to me. I hope I'm wrong.
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Sadly, the line between tabloid and legit news is quite blurred. I can't tell anymore. Most networks list TMZ as a source I know that.
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We need to tread carefully before we assume that the "insider" is correct. Michael has stated many times before (as well as TS) that we need to base our conclusions on evidence---logic and facts and not merely emotion. Do you recall the quote, "Just because you see it in print, or hear it on tv---doesn't make it true"????? Same goes for this medium (Internet video), frankly.
I am particularly bothered by the "insider's" contradiction to Teddy Riley's opinion that the tracks are all authentic "Michael". After all, are we more apt to believe an individual who is a known friend and associate of Michael's....and one who is clearly not afraid to stand up in front of the world and take ridicule for it OR some "insider" who hides behind a false image and synthesized voice?
Clearly hype is being generated and timing is everything in marketing. Did you ever find it highly suspicious that this video is released so close to the Oprah interview? No coincidence, I suspect.
Without hesitation, I will be tuning in to Oprah on Monday only to hear what Teddy has to say on the matter. At this juncture no one else is important.
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Thanks for sharing. Here's another video of Robert Alexander Giles:
[youtube:1i47eg1n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFpKRr8ZqoM[/youtube:1i47eg1n]
Is it just me???? I don't think he sounds like MJ. I can tell the difference. Can you?
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Thanks for sharing. Here's another video of Robert Alexander Giles:
[youtube:1ed746bk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFpKRr8ZqoM[/youtube:1ed746bk]
Is it just me???? I don't think he sounds like MJ. I can tell the difference. Can you?
michaelsupporter - I agree with everything you said in your previous post, and I can also tell the difference between this guy and Michael.
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who is the target audience for this video us or non believers?
can i ask a silly question. the faces that have been given to these voice, are they just random or can they be customized to fit real people?
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Thanks for sharing. Here's another video of Robert Alexander Giles:
[youtube:11z3q5us]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFpKRr8ZqoM[/youtube:11z3q5us]
Is it just me???? I don't think he sounds like MJ. I can tell the difference. Can you?
He has an english accent and it is hard to understand him even when he sings. Does not sound like MJ maybe 50%
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bec wrote:
"The problem is we are researching an ongoing event and trying to understand and decipher what already did happen as well as predict what will come to pass in the future. Things change, new information comes out, we need to stay open minded."
I have to say, bec, that this is one of the most cogent statements I have ever read on this Forum about the Hoax....an OPEN MIND has to be maintained AT ALL TIMES....this entire thing is UNPRECEDENTED!! We are priveleged to be part of a Chosen Few to be on the ground floor....the ones with FRONT ROW SEATS...those that follow this Forum are a MINISCULE MINORITY compared to the world's population....when and if Michael ever reveals himself again, we will be charter members of the "I Told You So" Club...in other words...
I have absolutely no concrete way of knowing if this Insider is legit or not...but think of how many other tentacles of this Hoax this could be said about....I suggest we TAKE IT ALL IN....FILTER IT...not be GULLIBLE, but not be CYNICAL...ANYTHING is possible here....literally ANYTHING....we are talking about perhaps one of the greatest minds/souls/spirits of our time...Michael...who NEVER ceases to amaze...in Life...in "Death"...it appears that his influence and effect is going to be eternal....how lucky we are to "get it" before the majority of the world...we are blessed!
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Okay, so I watched this video and I took notes.
Q: Where the TII dancers aware that this about the hoax?
A: No, but the signed confidentiality agreements and knew TII was a movie.
We know this already nothing new there. This has been posted on the board months and months ago.
A: The dancers/actors believe Michael is alive but they don't know specifics.
This "insider" has no way of knowing that, this is a theory and we have discussed this at length before. It is common sense that the less people involved in the actual hoax, the more successful the hoax will be. A need to know basis and only those that are very close to Michael and that he trusts would be involved.
They way Michael is Dressed in the film TII.
We already know that TII was filmed as a movie and not as rehearsal footage. We are aware of how Michael dressed in his previous rehearsal and in concert, there are many rehearsal and concert footage videos on youtube. All movies have "costumes" and this is not new information at all.
Return Date
The "insider" is not able to answer this just as all of us aren't. They are not a true insider and admits that they have "theories" (that is if this person really exists at all).
Elvis
We already know about Elvis and the connections with Michael and the possibility that Eliza's court case may reveal that he is actually alive. This has been extensively discussed on the forums, TS posts, LMP discussions etc. and there are many youtube videos about this.
Branca and McClain
The "insider' suggests that they may be removed from handling the estate...hmmm
There have been many questions previously brought up about Branca & McClain from the very start.The family originally tried to have the removed as executors of the estate. They are also handling the Kurt Cobain estate and Courtney Love has been vocal about their mismanagement of that estate and they may very well be under investigation from wrong doing in that case but we do not know for sure. Hazel and Twiggy have been posting on twitter, a forum and a blog all about this for months and we are aware of issues regarding the possibility of a false will etc. A person who works in the entertainment industry may very well be aware of this situation as are any of us in the hoax world. This "insider" is not providing any further information about this situation, it appears that they only know as much as we are already aware of and IMO this is just their "theory" on the situation. Nothing new here.
Removal of people involved in Epic, Legacy etc.
The "insider" says that we should be aware that this is going to take place within the next 12 months and we will Michael's hand in that. If this is to take place and was common knowledge to be occurring within the next 12 months wouldn't the people who are going to be removed also be aware of that? and if not they sure would be now..
You have to ask yourself if a singer/backup singer/dancer (or whatever this "insider" claims to be) would be privy to that kind of information and would Michael actually tell people he was going to instigate that in the future? Also does Michael have that much power to affect these other companies? How much involvement does he have with those record labels and can he influence the day to day business of them and for what purpose? This again comes across as theory based on possible rumours and speculation but is not a fact at this point.
TMZ
We are well aware of the TMZ connection. I wrote a post about the connections months ago. TS used that in one of their updates to show TMZ was an "informer". We know TMZ seems to have information before other media and that sometimes TMZ has unusual stories. This is not new to us at all, it has been discussed at length and we are already following TMZ faithfully. Nothing new here.
The TII Dancers Crying at the start of the film
We know this is it was filmed as a movie and not rehearsal footage, we have known this since the movie was released and have extensively discussed it. The "insider" tells us that it was shot out of sequence. well this is how all movies/videos are filmed. Any movie is actually created in the editing process and it doesn't take an insider to know that nor is it unusual. As for the music during these scenes, this is also not unusual, music is in movies to give ambiance, atmosphere and that is point of music in all movies. It doesn't take an insider to figure that out at all.
People mentioned as "in the know" on the hoax and that Michael is alive
The insider does not know for sure who is aware that this is hoax. They use wording throughout the video such as "i believe", "my theories" etc. This "insider: (if the exist at all) is telling us their theories, what they think about the situation and not what they know. There is no doubt that some people know that Michael is alive and others have come to believe that he is alive, just as we have. There is the possibility that some people were brought back into Michael's life at this time to expose them for their previous wrong doings; possibly as a pay back of sorts ie Karen Faye, Randy Jackson come to mind. We have believed from the start that Kenny Ortega was involved and that only makes sense since he was involved in the rehearsals, the production of the movie and has given many clues through twitter and interviews. This is not new information and again previously discussed on the forums. These are theories and speculation about who is involved and these are not facts being provided from an insider.
Sony
Everything that was stated about Sony in the video has been previously discussed by us. The "insider" says that Sony will release "Michael Jackson" material for the next 5-7 years ---> 2015 - 2017. We know about the contract that the estate signed with Sony, it was for 7 years so that's not new. This is also implying that Michael will not be returning for at least 5-7 more years...hmm What about Michael saying that we only have 4 years to get this right ---> 2012. If anything that may be a clue to the final return date that has been chosen and TS has said there was are possible return dates but that there is a final date that Michael has chosen to return by no matter what. In essence the "insider" is no more informed about this than we are. They cover their ass by saying that they wouldn't reveal that anyway because their allegiance is to Michael. I say "Oh really, than what is going on with these videos anyway" this person has no direct contact with Michael and everything they are stating is just theories and many of those can be found on this very forum. Later the informer goes on to say that Michael was still working with Sony. Well we already know this too as there was a contract between Sony and Michael in 2006. This isn't inside information at all.
Branca & McClain Again
The Insider previously stated that Branca & McClain are going to be removed from the estate implying that they are "bad" and now they are suggesting that these two are involved in the hoax by knowing that the TII was not rehearsal footage but actually filmed as a movie. The "insider" also says that Branca & McClain have enough material for the next 50 years but in actuality if there is this material is not held by Branca & McClain at all but by the estate and the informer previously suggested that these two would be removed from the estate. CONTRADICTIONS! They can not be both bad and involved in the hoax, this is not making sense and the infromer should make up their mind. :lol:
Diane Diamond
This is not new information we are all aware of Diane Diamond, her agenda, her association with Tom Sneddon. She also appeared on Michael's "Hit List" of those who were involved in working against him. Old news!
David Manning
The information on this is readily available on wikipedia and other sources. Not inside information.
"David Manning" was a fictitious film critic, created by a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation around July 2000 to give consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures. Several blurbs posted under the name "David Manning" were written for the medieval action/drama A Knight's Tale (citing Heath Ledger as "this year's hottest new star!") and Rob Schneider's comedy The Animal ("Another winner!"), the latter of which generally received very poor reviews by real critics.
David Manning was named after a friend of Matthew Cramer, the Sony marketing executive responsible for the insertions. Manning was credited to The Ridgefield Press, a small Connecticut weekly. During an investigation into Manning's quotes, Newsweek reporter John Horn discovered that the newspaper had never heard of him. Horn disclosed the truth about Manning in a June 2001 article in Newsweek, which emerged at around the same time as an announcement that Sony had used employees posing as moviegoers in television commercials to praise Mel Gibson's The Patriot. These occurrences, in tandem, raised questions and controversy about ethics in movie marketing practices.
On the June 10, 2001 episode of Le Show, host Harry Shearer conducted an in-studio interview with David Manning. The voice of Manning was provided by a computer voice synthesizer.
Some time after news of the hoax became widespread, actor Bryan Cranston, then a lead in the US television sitcom Malcolm in the Middle, took out a print advertisement in entertainment trade papers recommending his work to Emmy Awards voters. The ad featured positive comments from Mr. Manning as a joke.
On August 3, 2005, Sony made an out-of-court settlement and agreed to refund $5 each to dissatisfied customers who saw Hollow Man, The Animal, The Patriot, A Knight's Tale, or Vertical Limit in American theatres, under the impression that it would be a great movie due to Manning's reviews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_%28fictitious_writer%29
I am sorry but IMO this isn't proving anything about Sony and their involvement in the "fabricating Michael's voice" on the album or their actual knowledge of a hoax. I think that Michael has key people involved at Sony but this isn't the entire organization, Michael seems to have specific, individuals involved in different organizations linked to the hoax. The less people involved the more successful the hoax, the more people involve the higher the chances of unintended information being revealed or something being said too early.
Randy Jackson
The "insider" states that Randy was Michael's most trusted friend and confidante. I take issue with this statement because I have begun to wonder if Randy is actually in the know and this is for several reasons. This statement has also been written in several tabloids but I am starting to wonder if Randy is a "Judas" figure in all this. Michael was close to Randy prior to 2005. During 2005 it came to light that KF, Randy, Taunya Zilkie (Randy's GF) and others were involved in a fan site in which they were scamming fans. Michael found out closed the site down, refunded the fans money and fired them all. This situation leads me to believe that none of these people are trusted nor close to Michael after this incident. So I will say here that IMO this information from the "insider" is FALSE and reflects badly on their legitimacy.
"Sparsely used voice" in the new album
This is feeding into a controversy that already exists and we already know about. In actuality, only 3 of the 10 songs have only been questioned that isn't "Sparsely"; that means 7 of the 10 songs are not questioned as being Michael. This is not a factual statement but purely speculative by the "insider" and anyone else. It also feels like a way of trying to gain credibility by reiterating statements that have been made by others and confirming the beliefs of some people. Confirmation through already held and publicized beliefs; "oh yes, this insider says that I am right in what I thought about the new album, so they must be telling the truth".
Robert Alexander Giles
This impersonator seems somewhat famous in his own right for his voice. I don't know if he had this before the hoax began or after as I was not an MJ fan and I have never heard of him before. He looks nothing like Michael so it's pretty doubtful that he is actually in the movie TII (but of course I could be wrong :lol). If there were going to use doubles in the movie, to try and fool us, they would have wanted people who looked similar to Michael wouldn't they?
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/RobertAlexanderGiles.jpg)
Here is his website: http://www.ultimatemjtribute.co.uk/
The fact that he exists doesn't mean he had anything to do with vocals on the new album and the vocals have supposedly been Forensically analyzed by at least two professionals. It is possible that someone was used to complete the songs but anything is possible. The 'insider' has not provided proof that this is the case though and they are not an expert in Forensic voice analyzation. Again, this is just speculation and providing a possible person who may have been involved. A lot of possibilities but not facts. I would think that a forensic voice analysis, would reveal that the voice had been altered by effects to make it sound like MJ and no reputable examiner would put their career on the line to certify falsely that this Michael, if it wasn't. The reported impersonator who claims to have "possibly" created vocals for the album is named Ricky Galliano and he can't even be sure he actually did that. Seems shady... http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-impersonator-on-michael_1185856 and he has come up previously on the forums as well.
(http://www.tdg.ch/files/imagecache/468x312/story/Ricky_Galliano_02.jpg)
[youtube:3fl2v55k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgwXoy3CxU[/youtube:3fl2v55k]
To sum it up: These videos are presenting things we are aware of already. The insider doesn't have any information that we haven't previously discovered and is readily available on the Internet. The information is mix of facts, theories, speculations and is nothing new. I make videos too, if I told you I had an informer would you believe me without providing any information about that informer? If I said that I was in contact with an "insider" would it make my videos more believable? If I repeated everything that was already on the forums and presented that in my videos in a chronological way, would you believe that I knew more than everyone else? Would I have more credibility with you even though my source remains anonymous and not even established as an actual source? If I say I have a source, do my theories then become more credible and the truth?
I could simply say that I have source...
Do you believe me? ;)
You hit the nail on the head!! I felt the same way when I watched it :D
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This person didn't tell us anything new. We had already known the things s/he told us about TII. I believe that this is definitely a fake!
That's what people say about TS too (no new info) and I think that's more or less true on the surface. It's only when you look closer or read for content you start to realize what they are exactly saying. Might be a similar case here, just a different medium, voice instead of written word. For example, this Informer told us that the dancers were also listed in IMDb as actors and I did not know that before. I had never seen that on any of the forums, never read it in any blog post or news article, and never heard anyone mention it in any chat or convo, ever previous. Now, I'm not saying I've heard every single hoax related rumor out there but, I've been doing this to an obsessive over the top level since 7/09 and that was brand new info for me.
I have read about the fact that the dancers are also actors and are listed at IMDb numerous times. It has been posted on this and other forums before.
Here is just one example:
by 2good2btrue » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:01 pm
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=14549&start#p243070
Then you might want to see this as well...Most of the dancers are listed as actors...
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10192)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10191)
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SD, that post was inspired by the video of the Informer's that talked about this. You said it was one of many though, do you have more examples?
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SD, that post was inspired by the video of the Informer's that talked about this. You said it was one of many though, do you have more examples?
I don't know how to search the old forums and not a member of some of those I was but I read all bout the "cast" of TII also being actors a long time ago. I am not sure but there may have been previous videos about this too on youtube. You will have to forgive me because I thought that this was common knowledge in the hoax world.
The Cast Of Michael Jackson's "This Is It" Movie - 27 September 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUEg7h8bq9A
Comments:
lilmichael212 April 27th, 2010 - 14:01
IT is so funny all the dancers/actors only recall things that are in the movie but the one guy that performed with michael before this is it recalls something that wasnt shown i wonder who is fake?????????????? and i wonder who’s walking around ALIVE??
forevershining1 - April 27th, 2010 - 17:07
So wait.. are yall saying that the dancers and back up singers, etc. are actually actors and actresses from other pieces? Interestttiinnnnggg…
Souza's movie theory, comment made in reference to dancers/actors and posted before the Insiders Part 1 video (which was posted on Sept 23).
This Is It ~ not a wrap yet
Post by ~Souza~ » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:09 pm
Mike allegedly hired a bunch of actors that are still not allowed to talk about the project they worked on. The article is somewhere on the forum, so if anyone has a link to it, that would be great.
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14272 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14272)
A post on the other forum discussing the dancers.
Post by See » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:04 am
Appearances of Michael Jackson alive after 25th are staged with both actors/dancers as well as real Michael Jackson so that everybody thinks that he -Michael- is staging this hoax, this way nobody comes looking for Michael Jackson - not even when he stops publishing music and disappears!
BAM - Contracts!!
post by kingwillreturn » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:22 am
We learned in the early days of the hoax, that the "Actors" in TII were contracted for two years, We wondered why when the concerts were only for a few months, not two years? but now we see the TII dancer/actress in the Wii game commercial.
So for the advertising campaign to follow his death, Michael had them sign two year contracts.
Now thinking in a logical way, if we can work out when the contracts were signed, we may be able to work out a BAM date, due to the fact, unless they have to sign extensions to the contracts, that after the date that the contracts end, the let's call them "Cast" of the hoax, would then be free to talk and blow the hoax out of the water.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=12861
The fact that the dancers are actors has been discussed before. It was discussed even earlier than these posts and comments. If I recall correctly, BOW also talked about the dancers being actors, after it had been previously discussed and before these videos came out. I don't believe she is an insider either. But as I said, it was a long time ago so I can't locate the original posts etc. I did think that most of us, who had been investigating the hoax, were aware that the dancers were also actors. I had read the IMDb site months ago, well before 2good2btrue posted the screen shots.
I have absolutely no reason to be deceptive, I would love for there to be an insider. For someone to be really telling us the truth or revealing things we aren't aware of. So far this person hasn't done that and the information is not fact it is speculation, belief and theories; we have that already... and it really bothers me that someone may be dishonest about what they know and how they know it, even if they are presenting real information (though we know this stuff already anyway).
Everyone is free to believe (or not believe) in whom ever or whatever they choose. Sadly, after evaluating the videos I can not put my faith in this "informer" maybe something will be revealed to change that in the future.
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My feeling watching this Q&A is through and through logic. We must not let us fall into the 'emotion' trap, so, leaving all emotion aside I feel the information is very valid. Having 'her' saying that some high position holders in the mentioned record companies should get the blue letter and that Michael only dealt with the highest levels in business just confirms for me what I have thought ever since, that Michael is one of the most powerful people in show business - let's NOT forget he dealt with the CEOs since the age of 19 and had them going HIS way. On top of that I can't help thinking that Michael sets everyone on his 'Hit List' up to blow their cover in the big finale for ALL the naysayers to see, that they were SOOOOOOO wrong. It really feels like a Vendetta.
I like these videos - regardless of infos we've already came across ourselves. Maybe we rather should see this information as a CONFIRMATION than an 'oh, she doesn't come up with anything we've not already know'.
ANYTHING is possible. I for myself believe, that it's payback time for Michael :mrgreen:
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I agree with you MFFreedom. Well said.
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My feeling watching this Q&A is through and through logic. We must not let us fall into the 'emotion' trap, so, leaving all emotion aside I feel the information is very valid. Having 'her' saying that some high position holders in the mentioned record companies should get the blue letter and that Michael only dealt with the highest levels in business just confirms for me what I have thought ever since, that Michael is one of the most powerful people in show business - let's NOT forget he dealt with the CEOs since the age of 19 and had them going HIS way. On top of that I can't help thinking that Michael sets everyone on his 'Hit List' up to blow their cover in the big finale for ALL the naysayers to see, that they were SOOOOOOO wrong. It really feels like a Vendetta.
I like these videos - regardless of infos we've already came across ourselves. Maybe we rather should see this information as a CONFIRMATION than an 'oh, she doesn't come up with anything we've not already know'.
ANYTHING is possible. I for myself believe, that it's payback time for Michael :mrgreen:
I too totally agree with you........ well said :)
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SD: I meant substantiated proof not just speculation, regarding the dancers listed on IMDb. Sorry to be flakey, thanks for compiling the info.
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We need to tread carefully before we assume that the "insider" is correct. Michael has stated many times before (as well as TS) that we need to base our conclusions on evidence---logic and facts and not merely emotion. Do you recall the quote, "Just because you see it in print, or hear it on tv---doesn't make it true"????? Same goes for this medium (Internet video), frankly.
I am particularly bothered by the "insider's" contradiction to Teddy Riley's opinion that the tracks are all authentic "Michael". After all, are we more apt to believe an individual who is a known friend and associate of Michael's....and one who is clearly not afraid to stand up in front of the world and take ridicule for it OR some "insider" who hides behind a false image and synthesized voice?
Clearly hype is being generated and timing is everything in marketing. Did you ever find it highly suspicious that this video is released so close to the Oprah interview? No coincidence, I suspect.
Without hesitation, I will be tuning in to Oprah on Monday only to hear what Teddy has to say on the matter. At this juncture no one else is important.
I agree with michaelsupporter, there have been too many so called "Insiders" and trolls in this hoax. Some of them have felt the need for "15 minutes of fame" and some have even been on here trying to cause a disturbance - I do wonder about their motives at times.
And I wish to say I support Teddy, he has Michael's back !!!
I also agree with @ heisinme09 and @ bec's comments about being open minded and in particular I support your view that "we are blessed"
heisinme09 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:18 am
bec wrote:
"The problem is we are researching an ongoing event and trying to understand and decipher what already did happen as well as predict what will come to pass in the future. Things change, new information comes out, we need to stay open minded."
I have to say, bec, that this is one of the most cogent statements I have ever read on this Forum about the Hoax....an OPEN MIND has to be maintained AT ALL TIMES....this entire thing is UNPRECEDENTED!! We are priveleged to be part of a Chosen Few to be on the ground floor....the ones with FRONT ROW SEATS...those that follow this Forum are a MINISCULE MINORITY compared to the world's population....when and if Michael ever reveals himself again, we will be charter members of the "I Told You So" Club...in other words...
I have absolutely no concrete way of knowing if this Insider is legit or not...but think of how many other tentacles of this Hoax this could be said about....I suggest we TAKE IT ALL IN....FILTER IT...not be GULLIBLE, but not be CYNICAL...ANYTHING is possible here....literally ANYTHING....we are talking about perhaps one of the greatest minds/souls/spirits of our time...Michael...who NEVER ceases to amaze...in Life...in "Death"...it appears that his influence and effect is going to be eternal....how lucky we are to "get it" before the majority of the world...we are blessed!
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My two cents:
Okay, considering this "insider`s" concept / message it might be something like this:
1. Sony is well known for it`s copyright protection campaign (for example blockings youtube vids in many countries).
2. MJ was aways super-cautious to protect his music and rights.
3. Sony and MJ own Sony/ATV company whose values (licenses = publishing rights) are quite vunerable because of illegal copies / leakings circulating the net.
4. This is a HUGE topic not only for the whole entertainment business as it hits economy, politics, societies everywhere to major extents (see what damage "wikileaks" could do, not to mention hacking attacks, stalking and threads on the net).
5. The insider says that MJ was on good terms with Sony`s top executives always (true!) but has had his problems only with some head of sections like Tommy Mottola (remember he was fired because of MJ`s claims back then).
6. Sony at large used to help MJ a lot (also financialwise).
7. Sony`s "make.believe" sounds very much Michael ... and may also point to a common goal.
8. The insider tells us to watch the major news (for 12 months at least) on these topics as I understand
- piracy = copyright infringements
- efforts to protect data and publishing rights on the www
- illegal leakings
- fake and forgeries (sounds and pictures, films and books)
- people responsible (those who do - or let happen - these things) are going to be exposed
So I understand some of them at Sony as well as with the estate are going to be exposed and might lose their jobs ... Exposed for editing footage, remastering and polishing demo tapes and using look- and sound-alikes? To make money by fooling the public? A major case of identity theft (using Michael Jackson, the brand)?
I guess it`s not that far fetched to think of an international campaign for net protection purposes for all kind of national, economic, business, political and personal interests of all users worldwide. It`s about time.
Can you imagine the impact it would have? The death of the planet`s most famous person ever - and the aftermath - was "made.believe" to show the world ---- the bigger picture.
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SD: I meant substantiated proof not just speculation, regarding the dancers listed on IMDb. Sorry to be flakey, thanks for compiling the info.
How could someone provide "substantiated proof" in an anonymous online video? I don't think it's possible... She could say "I know the TII dancers myself and know they're actors" and you may still not believe it, because anyone could say it. Substantiated proof would be documents, contracts, and a passport showing the precise identity of the alleged insider. We aren't gonna get this, and this is the difficulty insiders (real or fake ones) face.
Just a few comments:
1. How can someone get "15 minutes of fame" when no one knows who they are? Kinda strange...
Anyone claiming to be an insider opens themselves up to the possibility of ridicule and scorn, not just admiration and eternal love.
2. Not knowing the BAM date doesn't mean or prove anything. MJ might not know it himself - I actually highly suspect that he only has an idea, say a certain month or interval, and the precise date depends on various developments.
3. I think all "insiders" must be taken with a grain of salt - cautiousness is always good. This being said, there's no harm in watching any video and wondering whether it makes sense or not. Someone confirming things we already know is good, not bad. (Imagine if someone said TII was merely rehearsal footage! They'd lose their credibility instantly.) If they say something we don't know and is not common knowledge, we still can't necessarily verify it and thus we can't tell whether the person is a true insider or not.
In addition to what I thought before and what you all said, something else bothers me:
This person says that Michael has relations with the top echelon at Sony and mentions Akio Morita (one of the co-founders of Sony Corp.), but Morita died in 1999 and I believe he might have become irrelevant at Sony sometime before that. Moreover, I recall reading (Lynton Guest's book, I think)that Morita was pro-Jackson, but the leadership that followed wasn't gung-ho on Jackson because of the "child molestation" issues and general controversy around MJ. Now it's hard to know what the truth is, but if this "insider" wanted to point out MJ's good relations with Sony, wouldn't she mention another person at Sony (such as current CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment) rather than long-dead Morita?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akio_Morita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akio_Morita)
I think what we should do with all "insider" info is evaluate it, decide whether it makes sense or not, and WAIT for developments. "Keep watchin'", as BACK loved to say. ;) As Serenitys said, we can only be manipulated if we allow ourselves to be.
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This person didn't tell us anything new. We had already known the things s/he told us about TII. I believe that this is definitely a fake!
That's what people say about TS too (no new info) and I think that's more or less true on the surface. It's only when you look closer or read for content you start to realize what they are exactly saying. Might be a similar case here, just a different medium, voice instead of written word. For example, this Informer told us that the dancers were also listed in IMDb as actors and I did not know that before. I had never seen that on any of the forums, never read it in any blog post or news article, and never heard anyone mention it in any chat or convo, ever previous. Now, I'm not saying I've heard every single hoax related rumor out there but, I've been doing this to an obsessive over the top level since 7/09 and that was brand new info for me.
I have read about the fact that the dancers are also actors and are listed at IMDb numerous times. It has been posted on this and other forums before.
Here is just one example:
by 2good2btrue » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:01 pm
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=14549&start#p243070
Then you might want to see this as well...Most of the dancers are listed as actors...
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10192)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10191)
I had known everything so before that so called informer said. With a simple research you can find all of those information. If people are that blind and stupid to compare TS with this one, it's definitely their loss because TS wrote many many things that NOBODY had known like the numerology and etc. We can not compare the two.
And I'm not going to get the bait about Breaking News being a fake because I do get the purpose behind it. I believe that Michael wanted some of his family and friends to tell that song was sung by a voice double BECAUSE we all know what we watched in Breaking News. We watched Michael's "death" in Breaking News. And saying Breaking News (the song) is a fake, is saying MJ's death is fake! That was the purpose. The family said that some of the songs were not sung by MJ but why didn't they say anything for another song? Was it only BN in the whole album? If it wasn't, why don't they come up and say that Much Too Soon or Blue Gansta are fakes too? Because they're not. EVEN IF someone else sang BN, MJ added that song to the album on purpose and that purpose could only to say Breaking News that we watched about his "death" was FAKE! And plus, remember what Teddy wrote about Michael. He said that Michael loves controversy. And I think he got what he wanted and what he wanted to say to us with BN. This is the way I think. And I still think that this insider is a fake too. :)
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The time is the best hoaxer.
We don't hear why Michael did the hoax and when will be back. These 2 key questions are not answered. Everything else has been said, the info on youtube and here. The only news "insider" said is Branca and McClain will be removed. Will see.
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I'm not sure about Michael fighting piracy, because that would mean going against his fans! I imagine this issue being a real struggle for an artist who cares about his work (and profits) but also about his fans... What's someone like MJ to do?!
ALL of Michael's music videos are on YouTube (I think).
"Moonwalker" and "Captain EO" are on YouTube. Hell, even the 3D HD version of "Captain EO" is on YouTube!
Many, if not all, of Michael's concert performances are on YouTube.
That means they're freely available, and many people aren't and won't be willing to pay for them.
Now I'm not aware of any efforts ever being made by Michael or Sony to take that stuff down. (Do tell me if you are.) If that is so, WHY? I always thought it's just a declaration of love from Michael to the fans... After all, the fact that there are so many Michael videos on YouTube in the first place is a declaration of love from "we, the people" to Michael.
But isn't this piracy, when you think about it?! I believe it is. And it looks like L.O.V.E. can equal piracy sometimes. :shock: :( :?:
So: Hmm, dunno if Michael could fight this or if he even wants to. :?
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The time is the best hoaxer.
We don't hear why Michael did the hoax and when will be back. These 2 key questions are not answered. Everything else has been said, the info on youtube and here. The only news "insider" said is Branca and McClain will be removed. Will see.
Dominic Cascio confirms ... :mrgreen: Let's wait it out, as Prince said. I can sit back and relax - knowing it will happen. :mrgreen:
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Thanks for posting this and giving me the confirmation about "Michael".
They are ripping the fans off.
((Shaking my head))
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I'm not sure about Michael fighting piracy, because that would mean going against his fans! I imagine this issue being a real struggle for an artist who cares about his work (and profits) but also about his fans... What's someone like MJ to do?!
ALL of Michael's music videos are on YouTube (I think).
"Moonwalker" and "Captain EO" are on YouTube. Hell, even the 3D HD version of "Captain EO" is on YouTube!
Many, if not all, of Michael's concert performances are on YouTube.
That means they're freely available, and many people aren't and won't be willing to pay for them.
Now I'm not aware of any efforts ever being made by Michael or Sony to take that stuff down. (Do tell me if you are.) If that is so, WHY? I always thought it's just a declaration of love from Michael to the fans... After all, the fact that there are so many Michael videos on YouTube in the first place is a declaration of love from "we, the people" to Michael.
But isn't this piracy, when you think about it?! I believe it is. And it looks like L.O.V.E. can equal piracy sometimes. :shock: :( :?:
So: Hmm, dunno if Michael could fight this or if he even wants to. :?
Well, it depends ...
Walt Disney owns the publishing rights of Captain Eo - and since these copyrights last only for a certain amount of time it may have well been terminated now (23 years after it`s first release).
Moonwalker copyrights were with MJJ (the company). 22 years ago now. Still?
And do you have any idea how time-consuming, elaborate and expensive it is to have your copyrights saved worldwide and watched the whole net in order to be able to intervene in case of infringements --- and then, just do it and fight for and accomplish your rights in court in almost 200 countries / nations all over the world?
Let me tell you, that`s an almost impossible thing to do. Even Sony manages only some blockings in some countries.
And believe me - no artist can afford to "work for free". No one would, not even Michael Jackson.
What do you think---
--- if he were young today, we`d all enjoy his georgious talents on youtube while he`d stay a poor boy in a worker`s family in Gary, Indiana. And no one - no father, no studio, no record or tv company - would take any efforts to let this talent shine as it did in the past.
That`s the reality of now. And there`s nothing for free.
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Thanks for sharing. Here's another video of Robert Alexander Giles:
[youtube:zg0anjy1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFpKRr8ZqoM[/youtube:zg0anjy1]
Is it just me???? I don't think he sounds like MJ. I can tell the difference. Can you?
I don't think he sounds like Michael - but he does sing a few chords close enough that without paying much attention he could pass. He definitely doesn't look like Michael, but then I haven't found anyone yet that has. What I find with the impersonators is that they go through the motion of step, step, swing, step, step, kick, etc. It looks just like dance steps where when Michael dances he becomes the dance. But I need to give them credit because they are paying Michael a huge compliment by trying to imitate him.
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Many, if not all, of Michael's concert performances are on YouTube.
That means they're freely available, and many people aren't and won't be willing to pay for them.
Yeah, that`s the shame. As I said:
If MJ was young today, we`d all enjoy his georgious talents on youtube while he`d stay a poor boy in a worker`s family in Gary, Indiana. And no one - no father, no studio, no record or tv company - would take any efforts to let this talent shine as it did in the past. That`s the reality of now.
There`s nothing for free, can`t be, nowhere. Since money is nothing abstract, just "frozen efforts".
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This series of videos is all absolute twaddle. There is no proof in the claims and everything this "insider" has spoken about can be easily Google searched or learned in a general video class.
I'm not buying this. Not. One. Bit.