Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI & TS Discussions => Topic started by: LoveNeedsExpression on November 23, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
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It seems like some here dislike TS all of a sudden. I have been focusing on other parts of the hoax more closely ( TMZ and other threads). I have been following the redircts and reactions, just not as closely.
So I'm having a hard time trying to following were all these ill-feeling about TS are coming from. Can some explain this to me or maybe I'm just misunderstanding this situation.
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The only enemy I´ve ever known is the tax man.
I also wonder why the twist regarding TS. As I see it, some people are questioning who TS is and his/ her intentions and why keeps redirecting with "clues".
I sense a fear for the "unkown". People would like to know who is behind TS/TIAI.
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well when someone can make head or tail of this........please let me know..i will be resting in my straightjacket.xxx
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The only enemy I´ve ever known is the tax man.
I also wonder why the twist regarding TS. As I see it, some people are questioning who TS is and his/ her intentions and why keeps redirecting with "clues".
I sense a fear for the "unkown". People would like to know who is behind TS/TIAI.
I don't get the twist either and I would like to see some real argumented post as to why TS would have bad intentions, instead of just assumptions. Maybe this hoax is lasting too long for some and they rather think he's dead now. I really don't know, to me it gets more exciting every day.
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I don't know what's going on but the song below fits perfectly with the theme of this board at this point. :lol:
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The only enemy I´ve ever known is the tax man.
I also wonder why the twist regarding TS. As I see it, some people are questioning who TS is and his/ her intentions and why keeps redirecting with "clues".
I sense a fear for the "unkown". People would like to know who is behind TS/TIAI.
I don't get the twist either and I would like to see some real argumented post as to why TS would have bad intentions, instead of just assumptions. Maybe this hoax is lasting too long for some and they rather think he's dead now. I really don't know, to me it gets more exciting every day.
I feel you. Its been awhile, and it can be draining at times. Waiting for things to happen, trying to figure stuff can be tough. I hope some people here can take a break for a few days, and just get away from this if it gets overwhelming.
I'm with you, it is very exciting!
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The only enemy I´ve ever known is the tax man.
I also wonder why the twist regarding TS. As I see it, some people are questioning who TS is and his/ her intentions and why keeps redirecting with "clues".
I sense a fear for the "unkown". People would like to know who is behind TS/TIAI.
I don't get the twist either and I would like to see some real argumented post as to why TS would have bad intentions, instead of just assumptions. Maybe this hoax is lasting too long for some and they rather think he's dead now. I really don't know, to me it gets more excited every day.
We all know that TS´s credibility was on the line as soon as the Elvis threads and campaigns started.
Also, TS has proven to know events in advance. Events related to news reported in TMZ or the MJJ signature and business.
TS started posting after the TIAI announcement on the huffington post and the HP and TMZ seems to be cooperating with each other.
People have doubts still and think that MJ could have been murdered by Sony, so any conection TS-Sony makes the situation uneasy.
I still don´t understand why the scenario of MJ being murdered by propofol because he was a drug addict and an evil doctor inyected him with it sounds more plausible and less fantastic than MJ being safe and sound and moving his carrer in to another level hoaxing the world.
I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
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If they don't have specific reasons or proofs why would we take them seriously, whoever 'they' are?
There is just no way TS is steering us wrong, he's the anchor for the hoax boat in all the sea of shifting truths/lies of TMZ, family, etc. If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't know if we were up or down. JMO
Also, this fear people have, is I think fear of being hurt. People avoid pain, I know I do. I sure don't want to feel that pain I felt those first few weeks when I truly believed he'd gone. And then occasionally when I doubted I could feel the pain coming back, so I avoided doubting almost for that reason. But I'm totally convinced he's alive just simply weighing all the evidence for or against, and ALIVE wins over-whelmingly.[attachment=0:2yga4voa]stock-photo-old-balance-shot-in-a-vineyard-cave-1814790[1].jpg[/attachment:2yga4voa]
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it almost seems like he will not be able to remain anonymous if he is to further participate this way. then of course everyone will choose to believe or not based on that . looks like a lose lose to me. idk :(
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it almost seems like he will not be able to remain anonymous if he is to further participate this way. then of course everyone will choose to believe or not based on that . looks like a lose lose to me. idk :(
TS should not reveal his identity until the time is right. If he were (someone very close to) MJ everyone would kiss his behind, if he were someone we never heard of (still probably very close to MJ) people would not believe a word he said anymore. TS stays anonymous for a reason and that should stay that way, whatever happens. When the time is right we will all have our answers, whether it is what we expected or not. Until then we need to stay on the rollercoaster and make the best of it.
I personally think this month has been great. Lots of info, and although I haven't had the time yet to think it all over, I am sure there are many dots to connect again. I have always said I signed up for the long ride, and I am still on it. Next stop is truth and freedom and I wont get off until I reached that station. But I will do my very best to stay reasonable, honest and respectful towards those who can't say it all yet.
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it almost seems like he will not be able to remain anonymous if he is to further participate this way. then of course everyone will choose to believe or not based on that . looks like a lose lose to me. idk :(
TS should not reveal his identity until the time is right. If he were (someone very close to) MJ everyone would kiss his behind, if he were someone we never heard of (still probably very close to MJ) people would not believe a word he said anymore. TS stays anonymous for a reason and that should stay that way, whatever happens. When the time is right we will all have our answers, whether it is what we expected or not. Until then we need to stay on the rollercoaster and make the best of it.
I personally think this month has been great. Lots of info, and although I haven't had the time yet to think it all over, I am sure there are many dots to connect again. I have always said I signed up for the long ride, and I am still on it. Next stop is truth and freedom and I wont get off until I reached that station. But I will do my very best to stay reasonable, honest and respectful towards those who can't say it all yet.
i know i know but its gettin hairy .
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it almost seems like he will not be able to remain anonymous if he is to further participate this way. then of course everyone will choose to believe or not based on that . looks like a lose lose to me. idk :(
TS should not reveal his identity until the time is right. If he were (someone very close to) MJ everyone would kiss his behind, if he were someone we never heard of (still probably very close to MJ) people would not believe a word he said anymore. TS stays anonymous for a reason and that should stay that way, whatever happens. When the time is right we will all have our answers, whether it is what we expected or not. Until then we need to stay on the rollercoaster and make the best of it.
I personally think this month has been great. Lots of info, and although I haven't had the time yet to think it all over, I am sure there are many dots to connect again. I have always said I signed up for the long ride, and I am still on it. Next stop is truth and freedom and I wont get off until I reached that station. But I will do my very best to stay reasonable, honest and respectful towards those who can't say it all yet.
i'm with you on that.
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Perhaps we are seeing just a side of human nature. People can go along with things for so long, before they stop and really begin question what/why. As humans we are naturally curious about things....well, most of us anyways, lol. I would be curious to know when these doubters became believers in the hoax....from the start, in the middle, or fairly recently? I have a hard time believing anyone who has spent time really reading TS's posts/redirects, would not see the importance of them. Still, I can understand questioning everything....even the validity of dear TS. After all, if we are ever to have our happily ever after, we do need to think for ourselves and stop being spoon fed. Whether TS is valid or not, really does need concern us as much as whether or not we are thinking for ourselves. Questioning is a good thing, as long as it's done with respect and kindness. I would be very sad if the ugly side of human nature came forward in the way of bashing and trashing. I believe TS has been a huge help in all this, regardless of who the person might be. Hoax or no hoax, it has proven a very valuable lesson to just think.....really think.
Blessings Always!
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Did I say already there was stormy weather ahead?
Get a good lifevest, a strong rope and tie yourself down.
It hurts most to stay on the fence. ;)
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The last post of TS was called "The last post before BAM", as I remember...
The BAM didn't happen so far but there are still lots of interesting things going. Will he come to post something more to reassure us that everything is going in the right direction?
Or, maybe we've already witnessed the BAM? :shock:
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this is going to be my official I'm back post (just found out yesterday I'm not failing and I'm sooo excited :D )
I can say as a person that was not really here for TS and I started reading his posts rather later on maybe around the 5th or so update TS was never deceitful IMO
the reason I even started reading his posts was because soo many ppl were raving about how he is a true informer and all that, I started reading thinking he was a fake but I was convinced otherwise
I dont understand why ppl now are hating on TS, because the Elvis DNA thing? I'm not sure but maybe some people just are wanting a way out from this rabbit hole :!: and I advise you to take time for yourself and maybe focus on your studies, or your daily life, do something for yourself and have a clear mind then comeback, for me it just reassured me of things I was thinking, 8-)
and do think for yourselves! I know as humans its our nature to want a leader guiding us and leading the way, well I think a lot of what this is about is to break free from our "leaders" that claim they are on our side and every day we learn that they have their own agendas and we're not really their concern
so I guess what I'm trying to say is think for yourselves and read everything TS writes and everything else for that matter in regards to the hoax or life in general with that in mind.
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The last post of TS was called "The last post before BAM", as I remember...
The BAM didn't happen so far but there are still lots of interesting things going. Will he come to post something more to reassure us that everything is going in the right direction?
Or, maybe we've already witnessed the BAM? :shock:
I don't think we've witnessed the BAM, maybe we are witnessing the tremors before the BAM? Who knows what the BAM is anyway?
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I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
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I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
I am not suggesting that he needs to say who he is, but surely what his intentions are needs to be clarified. The proof is that people are getting confused and think that he is covering a crime of some sort. That is not positive.
People are thinking by themselves and they seem hurt and confused as ever. Some consideration should be among the line.
A redirect with an answer will be enough ;) ...by now...
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I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
I am not suggesting that he needs to say who he is, but surely what his intentions are needs to be clarified. The proof is that people are getting confused and think that he is covering a crime of some sort. That is not positive.
People are thinking by themselves and they seem hurt and confused as ever. Some consideration should be among the line.
A redirect with an answer will be enough ;) ...by now...
I am not even sure people are thinking for themselves. They are jumping on a bandwagon and working themselves into a frenzy..not everyone but some of the posts..
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it almost seems like he will not be able to remain anonymous if he is to further participate this way. then of course everyone will choose to believe or not based on that . looks like a lose lose to me. idk :(
TS should not reveal his identity until the time is right. If he were (someone very close to) MJ everyone would kiss his behind, if he were someone we never heard of (still probably very close to MJ) people would not believe a word he said anymore. TS stays anonymous for a reason and that should stay that way, whatever happens. When the time is right we will all have our answers, whether it is what we expected or not. Until then we need to stay on the rollercoaster and make the best of it.
I personally think this month has been great. Lots of info, and although I haven't had the time yet to think it all over, I am sure there are many dots to connect again. I have always said I signed up for the long ride, and I am still on it. Next stop is truth and freedom and I wont get off until I reached that station. But I will do my very best to stay reasonable, honest and respectful towards those who can't say it all yet.
I'm 100% with you on that Souza, This month has been full of so many twists and turns and revellations that TS's redirects don't have to be so blaze.
I'm not sure on the purpose of the whole Eliza/Elvis thing, unless it was a distraction set to test us :roll:
But either way, i've invested too much of my time into following this to give up now. I'm nothing if not stubborn and tenacious :)
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Let me make a statement :
I never ever read a single post from TS
I don't care who TS is
I don't care who TS is not
I don't need TS's posts to believe MJ is alive
This out....
I feel so much better !
:lol:
Just relax people ! and don't lose yourself in lateral stories. Stick to MICHAEL.
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can say one thing for him/her they have been responsible for some deep conversation starters if nothing else. that is maybe worth more than we realize ;)
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Let me make a statement :
I never ever read a single post from TS
I don't care who TS is
I don't care who TS is not
I don't need TS's posts to believe MJ is alive
This out....
I feel so much better !
:lol:
Just relax people ! and don't lose yourself in lateral stories. Stick to MICHAEL.
Finally a voice of reason!
I think this speaks volumes. I also believed MJ was alive before I heard of TS.
But I have read all the posts by TS, and it made me believe more based on the information presented and how it was presented.
By the way, everyone is STILL welcome to try debunking TS. By ALL MEANS, PLEASE do! I am getting tired of hearing everyone say he's a fraud with nothing to back it up...
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I'm onboard all the way to truth and freedom station too. Toot Toot!!
I find it interesting Teddy Riley put that "just like Elvis is " in his tweet.
Think I might try and watch that movie bout the runaway train with the 777 numbers on top.
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I don't like to say "I knew it" but I knew this was going to happen. That was the reason why I asked TS to tell the Jacksons tweet a word that we chose. But many people jumped on me when I wrote that. They said: "TS has nothing to prove. He proved it with Jackson's tweet" etc. But today it is obvious where we are.
Anyways, if TS did what I offered, that could solve many confusion and problems. We would become sure of TS' authenticity and relation with the Jacksons. BUT was it going to be only us who would become sure of it? Michael did this hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He had very serious reasons to make it too. If he's not BAMming so soon, there's a very important reason for that. If TS did what I offered, that could put Michael's life in danger. I couldn't think of this possibility then. It looked like a good idea to me but definitely it wasn't. And plus, we know how Michael LOVES the MAGIC and MYSTERY. I'm sure that he doesn't like everything to be obvious. He likes to do his Magic in a Mysterical way. TS' mystery shouldn't surprise us since everything in this hoax is full of mystery. ;) And TS is our enemy's enemy. :) God bless you TS.
This is what I wrote on the other post. I thought that I should post it here too.
Okay I have tons of things to write. I hope I can put them all together in this post. I'm personally a skeptical person. I do not judge or ignore someone from the start but do not believe anyone blindly either. I prefer to wait what he's gotta say and then decide what to make of it. I must admit that I had doubts about TS' authenticity because of TMZ's articles about Michael. I found some of them very disrespectful and I couldn't believe why Michael would allow this if TMZ is on MJ's side. But when I have doubts I prefer to go to back, to the beginning and take a look what I had found till today. And I have to say that TS helped a lot in filling the empty spaces about the hoax. And no disrespect but to me, you guys are despise the things TS has done for us. I can not write or paste everything TS posted but how did you forget the times when you were reading his posts and thanking him, appreciating him? Did you forget all of it? Do not flatter yourselves that much like you found everything by yourselves. TS showed us many many things which were never ever found by ANY of us!!! How soon did you forget them all? Why don't you go and read his posts once more before you start to judge him like he's someone from Sony, a member of the murder plan etc. I know you read his posts many times but what will you lose if you read them once more?
I did think myself about the murder plot many many times. Whenever Randy tweets or when I see Mrs Jackson crying on tv, I question myself once more about all possibilities. I go back to the beginning of everything and think about it all. And finally everything brings me to the hoax at the end again and again.
Okay first of, if there's a murder, the family is definitely in on the murder plan too. Why? Here's my explanation. You guys say that AEG and Kenny Ortega arranged the memorial and the funeral, so they could put all the hoax clues there like the Liberian Girl pictures etc, right? And you say that Randy makes tweets about the murder plot, so the family can not be in on it, right? So why any member of the family asked why there was only Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and the funeral? They couldn't change the pictures? Why were everyone smiling, almost laughing behind the memorial backstage and also at the funeral? Sony-AEG paid money to everyone like friends and family to look happy just to make the fans believe that this is a hoax? Sony pays Joe Jackson to make him laugh so hard just a day after his son's death? Sony tells Katherine and Joe to wear the same outfits they wore during Michael's trials? And Sony pays Janet to make her forget where she was when she had heard about her brother's "death"? Sony also pays for Jermaine, and Latoya to make all those slip-ups? (Also the dancers, Larry King and so many people). Sony told Jermaine to make the annoucement at the hospital? The list goes on... Sorry but if this is a murder, then the family HAS TO BE in on it! Sony is a big company and they can be greedy but they can NOT establish all of these. At least without the help of the family members. And I do not believe MJ's family would kill him. If you believe that they could do it for money or fame, it's your opinion but I have to disagree with that wholeheartedly. Let's go on what else Sony is doing to make us believe to this "hoaxed hoax", ok? Sony is paying Akon and Teddy Riley too and that's the reason why they say Michael is alive. But guess what. The media started to call Teddy with this name: "INSANE PRODUCER". Is this his profit? And what's Akon's profit? Do they really need it? Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
I have to write a little about the numerology part of the hoax. You have to accept that Michael is into numerology. Nothing can change this fact even if you like or dislike it. Remember his 1998 autograph, remember his 2040 spaceship during the History tour? 2040= 25+06+2009!!! I know some of you dislike it but I want you to know that I'm terrible in maths too. But you do not have to be a mathematician to understand these. Let's begin with the 911 call. It was made definitely at 12:21 The end of the World. Sony decided for this call too? 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and it was 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09. Sony decided for this too? And ANY of the family members opposed to this idea? They didn't question why the funeral was delayed that long and why it was made on that day with a Full Moon in the sky? Sony decided for the autopsy report finalized on 9.9.9?
I have many things to add to this list. But I believe that these must be enough evidence to you guys to understand that this can not be a murder. If you believe the family is in on the murder, I've got nothing more to say to you. But it is not that hard to see the murder plan could never ever walk without the help of the family. And what a big waste of money and time Sony spends by getting the family members, friends and lots of companies into this murder plot! And why do they do this to look like a hoax? To make just a thousand of fans believe that this is a hoax and to make them buy the products. We were already going to buy everything related to Michael if he was really gone or was alive. Did Sony need to make it look like a hoax? And would Sony pay much much more money to earn just a few back? Would family make a deal with the killers of their son and brother? Would they say some of the songs are fake in the new album and sit back and do nothing against Sony?
I know that it's been too long and we're all tired and confused. But sometimes it is good to step back to move forward. Do not make a sudden decision, do not jump to conclusions. Go back to the beginning and think of every possibility once more. You will see the big picture. Michael is Alive and TS helped us a lot in understanding the hoax. Do not underestimate the information he has given us. I don't know where would we have been today without TS.
Peace and Love to all of you.
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Everything has a purpose. TS just gave us a push to understand better the hoax instead of looking in dark tunnels. Stay calm and study for yourselves. Don't depend on others.
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541) to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541) to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
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Because it served it's purpose apparently. It was left up, noticed, I posted about it, we discussed it for a week and then Marlon posted a bunch of nonsense, knocked off the page, and he hasn't posted any activity since.
Why?
Why'd he take over the page with a big to-do, with a flurry of posts and deletes to post a bunch of new activity AND keep the post on the page... then wait until it's noticed by hoaxers, leave it for a week, then post a bunch of retweets to knock it into oblivion and then abandon it again.
I have no idea. Seems purposeful. The deletion of exactly the same amount of tweets as added to keep the post at bottom is super coincidental if that's what it is. The timing of leaving it like that for months until it's noticed, and then only left for a few days is another giant coincidence then too. Not saying that's not possible, just saying it's not likely.
I'm still left with a lot of "why?'s" myself Tarja. Maybe we will find out the answers some day, maybe not.
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541) to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
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None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! ;)
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None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! ;)
:lol: Good point!
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541) to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541) to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
Puff, why are you picking apart everyone's words? I'm sorry but it comes across as very rude. What was meant was: (FOR EXAMPLE) if TS revealed his or her identity and turned out to be Michael himself (again, FOR EXAMPLE), that certainly would prove things but would clearly defeat the purpose of it all. For me, TS gave solid evidence that CONFIRMED the beliefs I alread had. TS did not make me believe in the hoax. TS is apart of the hoax, but TS is not THE hoax.
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Are you sure TS told the Jacksons to post some twitt? Do you believe his word just because? What if the Jacksons posted that twitt and TS claims it's because he told them to do so? Who regards this possibility?
Or a second possibility: If one of the Jacksons' twitts contains a word that we use: believe, revealed, truth, ect. this would mean that TS told them to write that word in order to see TS is legit? Sorry but those words are overused in any language.
TS never claimed he told the Jacksons to post anything. Please get the story straight and don't twist words. I understand that you're frustrated but twisting of the facts is not helpful on or for either side.
Please refer to: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13541) to review a series of events that provide legitimacy to TS. This is just one example that I can find quickly.
Well, that tweet is not on the main page anymore... Marlon tweeted a lot of non-sense tweets, and if it is a proof why don't they delete tweets again to let it reappears...?
I don't know. Maybe because it did it's job and the point is to be cryptic. Maybe to make it more complicated and obscure like everything else. Fleeting, elusive proof is all we get in this hoax. It's a think for yourself hoax, not a follow the rules hoax.
Again, if TS gave solid, undeniable proof, the hoax would be over.
So the answer to why is exactly that: because the hoax isn't over yet.
Oh, so now all of a sudden TS did not give solid, undeniable proof..? I think it's time people start making up their mind, because you are contradicting yourself...
TS gave complicated, obscure proof but nothing you can hold up to an average person on the street and blurt out in a single sentence sound byte to say: "I have PROOF MJ is alive!!" and that's a curiosity we have been mulling over for a year. I've also said pretty much exactly that many times before. The proof isn't neatly prepackaged and single serving portioned for ease of delivery and consumption... at all. In my opinion, that's the point. If that kind of proof was provided, it would cause the hoax to be over because belief would become undeniable and the chain reaction would break the whole thing wide open. It's obviously not that time yet. I say obviously because we are still here debating this very subject.
Puff, you don't have to believe but you're trying to debate me into a corner and it won't work.
I believe TS is MJ. TS has influence over the family, Sony, TMZ, AND the Estate. What other person or entity has influence, or could have influence in all of these areas? It makes logical sense that TS is MJ... or "MJ", as in speaking (posting) directly for him.
TS has already addressed these points, and debated them himself, and there are no holes in the argument. You couldn't debunk it, no one could. No one has to date. I'm open minded, and I'll listen to a good argument, I just haven't seen one surface yet. That doesn't mean one won't, but until then, I believe, in my opinion, that TS is MJ (or equivalent).
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TS gave complicated, obscure proof but nothing you can hold up to an average person on the street and blurt out in a single sentence sound byte to say: "I have PROOF MJ is alive!!" and that's a curiosity we have been mulling over for a year. I've also said pretty much exactly that many times before. The proof isn't neatly prepackaged and single serving portioned for ease of delivery and consumption... at all. In my opinion, that's the point. If that kind of proof was provided, it would cause the hoax to be over because belief would become undeniable and the chain reaction would break the whole thing wide open. It's obviously not that time yet. I say obviously because we are still here debating this very subject.
Puff, you don't have to believe but you're trying to debate me into a corner and it won't work.
I believe TS is MJ. TS has influence over the family, Sony, TMZ, AND the Estate. What other person or entity has influence, or could have influence in all of these areas? It makes logical sense that TS is MJ... or "MJ", as in speaking (posting) directly for him.
TS has already addressed these points, and debated them himself, and there are no holes in the argument. You couldn't debunk it, no one could. No one has to date. I'm open minded, and I'll listen to a good argument, I just haven't seen one surface yet. That doesn't mean one won't, but until then, I believe, in my opinion, that TS is MJ (or equivalent).
I agree with what you're saying bec. TS has yet to be de-bunked and I really don't think that will happen. And TS has provided the info on so many "coincidences" to the point where there is no way they can be actual coincidences and are in fact deliberate. TS has also opened several doors as to possible reasons for the hoax. TS can't just come out and say the purpose of the hoax or how it was done - that is something we have to be willing to think about and look into. People expect everything to be given to them on a platter with no effort on their part or will blindly listen and agree with whoever shouts the loudest. TS has been consistent and not all over the place - there is an a definite agenda with the posts and re-directs and as far as I know, TS has never contradicted himself or given false information.
As far as Michael actually being TS, I'm not sure on that one. I think Michael is in close contact with TS (the equivalent) and checks this site regularly and when he sees something he wants us to focus on, he informs TS. Or TS knows the hoax and MJ so well that he can re-direct as he sees fit. But anything is possible in this hoax! I do find it interesting that TMZ seems to get a lot of their stories from topics we've been discussing on this forum... TS could be like Harvey, an insider, but one who gets the info from MJ more directly, or more often.
While I have thought Michael has faked his death from the beginning, TS and TIAI is a major component to the hoax and has provided so much more beyond the "obvious" clues.
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I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
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And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
No offence, but how do you KNOW how Michael is? Have you lived with him? meet him personally?
You hate to break the news? So it's already a fact. No, it's just your theory.
This is an OPINION and YOUR opinion. Does this mean you own the truth? No, I'm sorry. You are free to have your opinion and your own view about how Michael MIGHT be, but don't state your opinion as TRUTH, just because because you simply don't know him. I don't know him either, probably no one here does.
No offence, but I couldn't help myself. As long as someone doesn't know him personally, all opinions remain opinions and own theories and visions about how he MIGHT be.
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I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
Here's the R40 Bible quote you referred to above:
Ephesians 6:12-13 (21st Century King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and, having done all, to stand.
So this quote was AFTER the re-directs on conspiracy theories, the TII army pic, etc. When I had initially saw this re-direct (when it happened), my interpretation was that there are some evil people in positions of power - call them the 1llumin@ti or whoever you want - who are literal devil worshippers (look up Bohemian grove ritual on youtube if you want). And so by embracing God (goodness and love) we will be able to withstand this evil and even stop it.
Michael believes in God - he's mentioned God and Jesus numerous times - and I think Michael knows the Bible very well and has probably drawn a lot of inspiration from it. So to me, the re-directs to Bible quotes fit in with the whole hoax being an actual hoax by Michael. Non-religious people may not like the Bible references but in order to try and understand all the parts of the hoax, it should be understood where Michael is coming from and what he's trying to tell us. Michael's actions throughout his life have shown a strong connection with God and love - his charitable donations, his love of children, his genuine concern for his fellow man and for the Earth we live on. I don't understand why some would be turned off TIAI by the Bible quotes - to me, it fits right in perfectly because this is Michael's hoax and he will draw attention to what he feels is important.
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And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
No offence, but how do you KNOW how Michael is? Have you lived with him? meet him personally?
You hate to break the news? So it's already a fact. No, it's just your theory.
This is an OPINION and YOUR opinion. Does this mean you own the truth? No, I'm sorry. You are free to have your opinion and your own view about how Michael MIGHT be, but don't state your opinion as TRUTH, just because because you simply don't know him. I don't know him either, probably no one here does.
No offence, but I couldn't help myself. As long as someone doesn't know him personally, all opinions remain opinions and own theories and visions about how he MIGHT be.
A better approach would have been for you to ask me how I knew these things. You READ and decide for yourself if Michael is telling the truth. It came from his own mouth.
Call Seth Riggs and ask him how he knows the TRUTH...I will give you the number if you like, or you're intelligent I am sure, you find it for yourself.. If you want to deal with facts and truth, READ, then call these people opinionated . Many of them know Michael personally. I would suggest doing my homework before attacking someone that most likely knows what they are talking about, BEFORE making unwarranted statements about something you know NOTHING about. And how do you know "WHO" I know? I am not obligated give such information. No offence I couldn't help myself.
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/The-Man.html (http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/The-Man.html)
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I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
Here's the R40 Bible quote you referred to above:
Ephesians 6:12-13 (21st Century King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and, having done all, to stand.
So this quote was AFTER the re-directs on conspiracy theories, the TII army pic, etc. When I had initially saw this re-direct (when it happened), my interpretation was that there are some evil people in positions of power - call them the 1llumin@ti or whoever you want - who are literal devil worshippers (look up Bohemian grove ritual on youtube if you want). And so by embracing God (goodness and love) we will be able to withstand this evil and even stop it.
Michael believes in God - he's mentioned God and Jesus numerous times - and I think Michael knows the Bible very well and has probably drawn a lot of inspiration from it. So to me, the re-directs to Bible quotes fit in with the whole hoax being an actual hoax by Michael. Non-religious people may not like the Bible references but in order to try and understand all the parts of the hoax, it should be understood where Michael is coming from and what he's trying to tell us. Michael's actions throughout his life have shown a strong connection with God and love - his charitable donations, his love of children, his genuine concern for his fellow man and for the Earth we live on. I don't understand why some would be turned off TIAI by the Bible quotes - to me, it fits right in perfectly because this is Michael's hoax and he will draw attention to what he feels is important.
I agree. If this were made to look like a hoax by someone other than Michael, why focus on God and Love? If he was murdered, then those who murdered him surely wouldn't want to continue spreading the message that he was murdered for.
Whether we all believe in the bible or not doesn't matter. It is still clearly apart of this and I think it has good lessons in it even for those who don't hold it as truth. There is truth to be found in the principles presented.
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navibl you seem like a prophet already or you have the wrong image of yourself being one because otherwise I don't know. You know "facts" about Michael and what he thinks as you would have lived with him. I am shocked at the news, pardon... facts, you have put here! well, thank you :lol:
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
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Was it Oct 29 he came on first? So I guess I was a believer long before too. But TS was just that friend that came along to verify we were on the right track and is especially leading the ARG aspect, the rational/logical aspects of the hoax, giving it structure. For me also he gave me more understanding of the heart of Michael as he perceives the goings-on in the world. I felt attracted to TIAI on the very first few redirects and grew to love this person behind it. We eventually found out he was called TS and that person's character, personality, truthfulness has never wavered, always with kindness and patience, all matching perfectly with Michael. I think that for the few TS doubters here, their hearts were closed to TIAI/TS from the outset so it's no wonder they get nothing out of him, sadly.
IMO the biggest losses for non-believers and doubters is FUN, sense of adventure, being in a live Thriller! I wake up each day happy, wondering what this day will hold here, good positive people to talk to. Just think how aweful it must be for them. Their hero dead, the world has conspired to kill their hero, and no one can be trusted and in on their forums there seems much malice. I'd be so depressed. :cry:
And I think Michael uses the Bible for his own purposes. He is NOT a typical God-fearing, Bible believer in the standard way. He walks to the beat of a different drummer, that's why I love him. I don't believe he is a Christian in the standard definition either. He's in his own catagory if that makes sense. People want to squeeze him into a mold of their own making and you simply can't do that. You just have to thoroughly study him and what he says and compile it, sort of as TS has done. It is no easy task.
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I don't see it so much as fear, but as impatience. A lot of people prefer to follow known people (Teddy Riley, TMZ, etc.) where they know exactly who is who, rather than a person with no face, name, or anything else. I know I would. I respect TS for what he/she has done, but I'd just much rather follow people who I can relate with ... people with identities.
TS may be real, he may not be. I've read all of TS's posts, yes (for anyone who wonders) and they could be right. But it's just a preference. I don't think anyone here actually thinks of TS an "the enemy".
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That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
I found this statement very interesting Tarja. Can you please explain how religion and the Bible numb a person? I just want to make sure I'm not numbing. Thanks.... in advance.
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None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! ;)
:lol: Good point!
:lol: just like i didn't pick this name because i like the song ;)
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I think that for the peace of mind of everyone TS must face this controversy and calm down the masses.
I don't think that TS will answer because people say that they think for themselves so they don't need TS' answer on this. Plus something is about to happen on the 14th about this case. If I was TS and that there is no special redirect planned as per the hoax I would redirect to the Bible, some insightful verses will not harm. Well I'm off for today we'll see what tomorrow brings God willing. I love you all guys really. Blessings. And God bless you TS.
I will most likely get slammed for saying this but like Michael I have rhinoserous skin, and I am not ashamed of what I know to be truth. This very thing with the bible redirects is what is causing dislike for TS. And I have to say every verse that he/she has posted is not metaphorically inclined. For example in TIAI revealed Part 7 R40 which speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. That whole piece has no metaphoric reference. It straight up says what must happen in order to survive what is coming on the earth. With so many this enlightenment is unpopular because they choose to not believe in anything tangible that has to do with God or Jesus Christ. Everyone likes to put a religious lable on it to make it distasteful. And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
personally i tend to believe that is part of the reason for the "liberace goes to war" type of costumes for some parts of his performances are about. ;)
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Crazy Banana wrote :I dont understand why ppl now are hating on TS, because the Elvis DNA thing?
I do not hate TS because of it, ;) in fact I cannot hate it for that if there is a mistake in all that it is mio for well-read credit and not to investigate what to write. Souza has reason the this information, and Mo has reason, she I investigate and to find the information, at the time for that we cannot be capable of investigating and coming to our conclusions?
This theory of SONY's complicity with the family and other persons to conceal a supposed homicide I do not buy it, simply it is absurd, for that it implies that the family every serian a few sons of a bitch.
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Crazy Banana wrote :I dont understand why ppl now are hating on TS, because the Elvis DNA thing?
I do not hate TS because of it, ;) in fact I cannot hate it for that if there is a mistake in all that it is mio for well-read credit and not to investigate what to write. Souza has reason the this information, and Mo has reason, she I investigate and to find the information, at the time for that we cannot be capable of investigating and coming to our conclusions?
This theory of SONY's complicity with the family and other persons to conceal a supposed homicide I do not buy it, simply it is absurd, for that it implies that the family every serian a few sons of a bitch.
so I guess we think alike! but I want to know exactly why some people are hating on TS and not the people that always thought he was a fraud people that were believing him and now all of a sudden hate him!
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None of us know who any of us really are here so ANY of us could be the enemy, that's why I don't put all my faith in one person's beliefs no matter what their standing. They don't call me trustno1 for nothing!! ;)
:lol: Good point!
:lol: just like i didn't pick this name because i like the song ;)
Guys I'm feelin left out here. I picked my initials because what you see [read ] is what you get. Also easier to remember :idea:
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Was it Oct 29 he came on first? So I guess I was a believer long before too. But TS was just that friend that came along to verify we were on the right track and is especially leading the ARG aspect, the rational/logical aspects of the hoax, giving it structure. For me also he gave me more understanding of the heart of Michael as he perceives the goings-on in the world. I felt attracted to TIAI on the very first few redirects and grew to love this person behind it. We eventually found out he was called TS and that person's character, personality, truthfulness has never wavered, always with kindness and patience, all matching perfectly with Michael. I think that for the few TS doubters here, their hearts were closed to TIAI/TS from the outset so it's no wonder they get nothing out of him, sadly.
IMO the biggest losses for non-believers and doubters is FUN, sense of adventure, being in a live Thriller! I wake up each day happy, wondering what this day will hold here, good positive people to talk to. Just think how aweful it must be for them. Their hero dead, the world has conspired to kill their hero, and no one can be trusted and in on their forums there seems much malice. I'd be so depressed. :cry:
And I think Michael uses the Bible for his own purposes. He is NOT a typical God-fearing, Bible believer in the standard way. He walks to the beat of a different drummer, that's why I love him. I don't believe he is a Christian in the standard definition either. He's in his own catagory if that makes sense. People want to squeeze him into a mold of their own making and you simply can't do that. You just have to thoroughly study him and what he says and compile it, sort of as TS has done. It is no easy task.
Beautifully put MJonmind :) I second everything you've said. And RK, I admire your simple faith. I'm not getting off this rollercoaster ride until the end either. We signed up for the long haul and a few setbacks will not change a thing for those who have faith. Michael loves the mysterious and the magical and has always thought outside the square ... and we are being encouraged to do that too. Perhaps for some this is too much of a leap of faith and they prefer the square where everything is predictable and folllows a logical sequence. No-one is forcing anyone to do anything that goes beyond their belief system. We must always remain true to ourselves and I believe Michael respects that. Love & peace, emerald xo
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navibl you seem like a prophet already or you have the wrong image of yourself being one because otherwise I don't know. You know "facts" about Michael and what he thinks as you would have lived with him. I am shocked at the news, pardon... facts, you have put here! well, thank you :lol:
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
You are being profoundly rude.
Look, I'm an angry atheist as well but you can't lash out at the religious just because they are religious. navibl hasn't been offensive or narrow minded at all if you read what she is writing and not just assume what the words are. Not all religious people have the same philosophy. Not all religious philosophy is bad.
I asked her politely to clarify a couple of times in the past and I'm glad I did because she's really got some valuable things to add if you don't just shut your ears with your fingers and scream lalalalalalalala every time she put fingers to keyboard, you'd see that too, I'm sure.
I understand you and your sister are confused and frustrated lately but please, take a step back and don't lash out at your fellow hoaxers.
MJ is not dead, this is a hoax, and it's all going to be ok. Just please, keep watching and don't fall into this trap of hate and negativity. We are all in this together.
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navibl you seem like a prophet already or you have the wrong image of yourself being one because otherwise I don't know. You know "facts" about Michael and what he thinks as you would have lived with him. I am shocked at the news, pardon... facts, you have put here! well, thank you :lol:
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
You are being profoundly rude.
Look, I'm an angry atheist as well but you can't lash out at the religious just because they are religious. navibl hasn't been offensive or narrow minded at all if you read what she is writing and not just assume what the words are. Not all religious people have the same philosophy. Not all religious philosophy is bad.
I asked her politely to clarify a couple of times in the past and I'm glad I did because she's really got some valuable things to add if you don't just shut your ears with your fingers and scream lalalalalalalala every time she put fingers to keyboard, you'd see that too, I'm sure.
I understand you and your sister are confused and frustrated lately but please, take a step back and don't lash out at your fellow hoaxers.
MJ is not dead, this is a hoax, and it's all going to be ok. Just please, keep watching and don't fall into this trap of hate and negativity. We are all in this together.
I agree with you on that Bec.
Navibl is a very kind, compassionate and insightful person. I have spoken with her on youtube and though we have not agreed on some things, I value her opinions and enlightening posts, even if they may be from a different perspective than my own.
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And I hate to break the news but this is who TS is and who Michael is ...Believers in Jesus Christ and his never ending, never failing word, plain and simple and very direct and yes with no disrespect to those who don't believe. That is why God gave us choice! To believe or not to believe.
No offence, but how do you KNOW how Michael is? Have you lived with him? meet him personally?
You hate to break the news? So it's already a fact. No, it's just your theory.
This is an OPINION and YOUR opinion. Does this mean you own the truth? No, I'm sorry. You are free to have your opinion and your own view about how Michael MIGHT be, but don't state your opinion as TRUTH, just because because you simply don't know him. I don't know him either, probably no one here does.
No offence, but I couldn't help myself. As long as someone doesn't know him personally, all opinions remain opinions and own theories and visions about how he MIGHT be.
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navibl you seem like a prophet already or you have the wrong image of yourself being one because otherwise I don't know. You know "facts" about Michael and what he thinks as you would have lived with him. I am shocked at the news, pardon... facts, you have put here! well, thank you :lol:
That's what I call being numbed by religion and Bible. Looks what happens
You know how to get to know who Michael is and what he stands for? Actually LISTEN to what he says. Everything Michael has said is done for a reason. Some things are make believe and some are not, you have to find a balance in what is truth even from the man himself. Even if you don't hold a high opinion of Rabbi Shmuley or his comments, Michael at one point in his life felt comfortable enough to tell his secrets to him.
Michael asked for these tapes to be heard. He also asked for the world to get to know him after he was gone. He said that to Kenny I believe. "I really want the world to know who I am after I am gone" Even if you don't believe in the Bible and God, Michael does and obviously so does TS. There are many of us who do. There are also many people here who are of different religious beliefs than mine but, I do not say my way is the right way. I respect their difference in belief. I also respect the people who don't believe in God. It is not my place to convince them 100% in God. Even God himself has left the option open for those to not believe in him.
There will be consequences for how we live.
Whether it comes from God himself or just life in general, the energy you put out is what you get in return. What you focus on will become your reality. The negativity you hold onto is going to eat you alive from the inside out. I know from experience. The results of always focusing on negativity will keep you in a unhappy place.
Saying to navibl she is not a prophet is also not knowing what gifts are granted to people by God himself. God annoints people with abilities. We don't always run around shouting off the top of the roofs what abilities we posess. Learn to relax and observe before jumping to conclusions. ;)
Edit: 3 of those videos aren't available, sorry my bad!
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Some folks working on Michael's new video for "Hold My Hand" seem to think Michael is Heavenly Minded. Take a look at TMZ
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/michael-j ... ven-light/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-heaven-light/)
Kind of reminds me of the Norway Spirals that have been seen!
Then look at the shadow in this video, very interesting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDx7E5f3mc&feature=sub (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDx7E5f3mc&feature=sub)
Then read the lyrics....not typical of a ordinary love song!!
This life don't last forever (hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for (hold my hand)
We're Better off being together (hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone (hold my hand)
[Akon]
Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright.
Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight
[Michael]
(So if you just)
[Michael/Akon]
Hold my hand
Baby I promise that I'll do
All I can
Things will get better if you just hold my hand
Nothing can come between us if you just hold,
hold my, hold, hold my, hooold, hold my hand.
[Michael]
(Hold my hand)
[Akon]
The nights are getting darker (hold my hand)
And there's no peace inside (hold my hand)
So why make our lives harder (hold my hand)
By fighting love, tonight. (sooooo)
[Michael/Akon]
Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright (alright)
Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight
So if you just hold my hand
Baby I promise that I'll do (If you just, If you just)
All I can
Things will get better if you just hold my hand (yeahh)
Nothing can come between us if you just hold,
hold my, hold, hold my, hooold, hold my hand.
[Michael]
Hold my hand
[Akon]
I can tell you're tired of being lonely (yeahhh)
Take my hand don't let go baby hold me (hold mee)
Come to me and let me be your one and only (hold my haand)
So I can make it alright til' the morning (hold my hand)
I can tell you're tired of being lonely (hold my hand)
Take my hand don't let go baby hold me (hold mee)
Come to me and let me be your one and only (one and only)
So I can make it alright til' the morning (hold my hand)
[Michael]
Hold my hand
[Michael/Akon]
Hold my hand (yeahhh)
Baby I promise (hold my hand) that I'll do
All I can (hold my hand)
Things will get better (oohhhhoooo) if you just hold my hand (ooooo)
Nothing can come between us if you just hold,
hold my, hold, hold my, hooold, hold my hand.
If we think Michael is in control....why would this be the connotation? If he is not in control wonder why others would put a heavenly spin on things???
Oh and yes one of the extras that was in the video confirmed a spiritual feel was the intent. See alphaba2 on YT.
Michael your Army hears you loud and clear!!! LOVE