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Title: TIAI November 1
Post by: thecheetoman2004 on November 01, 2010, 01:17:49 AM
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Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I hope so too. If it's one of the other options, then I don't know what else we can do. The majority in here supports his message and understands it. Some might still have some doubts because they don't fully understand TS' posts because they are long or they don't speak English very well, and some because they don't think this is Mike's message. Even though I can be harsh on fans sometimes, I know one thing for sure. When he comes back, every fan will support him in any way they can, doubters won't have doubts anymore and those who thought it is not his reason to hoax his death, will realize they have been wrong and already know where to catch up on reading. If he has doubts if he will get enough support from the fans, I think that won't be necessary. His fans love and adore him too much to let him down and they are with millions, if not billions. I also believe that all the money that has been made will be used for the good, I don't believe he is a material person and I am sure he will help those in need with it. That is why I will buy every album and every DVD that will be released.

Those who will oppose when he returns or even spread hate, never were fans or understood what he stands for anyway. You will always have people like that, some people won't even see truth when it slaps them in the face, but I still believe they are the minority. Everyone is feeling something is about to happen. Everyone I talk to say they have the feeling something is changing (without even mentioning the hoax or its purpose). I explained this whole story to a friend of mine who first thought I was nuts, and in the end he said: "Could Michael be the one that will change the world, or at least start the change, leading and guiding us into a new era?" He finally got what I meant, how big this is. That it is to make people wonder what was ever real in this world and to stand up for their rights and to bring back love in this world. He immediately stopped ridiculing this whole thing and was quiet for 5 minutes. Then he said: "I wholeheartedly hope you are right". My mission for that day was accomplished. People will understand, at least that is what I think when I look at the people around me. When I start talking about the subjects we discuss here (not MJ related), they all say they know about it and that something needs to be done, yet many also say that it's not affecting them yet (so they think) so they do not feel the urge yet to do something about it. For that we need a big wake-up call.

Amen to that. I sometimes feel like he is not coming back but will keep on giving himself to us with the new films, CDs, video games etc. But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless. And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious. I don't believe that Michael would "afraid" to come back because people won't believe it's him BUT probably, he lost his faith in changing people into good and open their eyes. I seriously do not even want to think about the possibility of a non-BAM. That would kill me for the second time and actually that would kill us all if we think about the end of the world! Michael has to come back and lead the army! That's how we can change things.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MJonmind on November 01, 2010, 01:26:33 AM
:? What aspect here does TS want to draw our attention to?
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: thecheetoman2004 on November 01, 2010, 01:30:46 AM
I remember on that same thread that someone asked TS to answer a question he had about if MJ had cancelled the BAM or something like that.

So, I guess the part where it says, "a Thriller without a comeback is pointless" (the second post) Or the whole post. IDK.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MJonmind on November 01, 2010, 01:53:03 AM
You're right, that must be it then! Thanks TS!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: _Anna_ on November 01, 2010, 04:07:23 AM
I don't know exactly what messgae wants TS to focus on.

The change in plans (not a comeback anymore) because of the people who won't change or deffinitely a comeback because otherwise the message will never get to the ones who don't listen.I am really confused what to take as the message......

I will say my opinion.
It's true there are a lot of people who don't even want to listen or think about his message, probably a great majority, while we are like half of a quarter. But I really think that he thought about this and knew it would be like that. Of course no one would have ever believed he might be alive with all the reports that exist, with the family constantly saying he's dead at every ocassion, and so on. In a way they cannot be blamed for not believing. They can be blamed only because no matter what, they don't have any idea about the whole worldwide message- to change the world, to fight for justice and be aware of the NWO and what it implies.

I absolutely don't think Michael never thought this would happen. At the end of the time nothing is straight in your face or more evident than everything; everything is hidden in clues, codes and deep minuscule things.

Now I tell this to you, Michael:
There is no way you can make that large majority to understand what is happening if you don't come back, if they don'tsee you and hear from your mouth the whole story. If you don't come back because they don't make any move to understand then your struggle will be in vain..... They won't see anything without you. Not even questioning. Because they have an image built about you that is not real, they have an image about you being weak, too good to ever do this to them (as if you ow them something) and they will never understand how you as a man and human being are because the only thing they know is your stage image. But not the person behind all that, not the person who probably behind all this is extremelly astronomically funny and doing things that every other person is doing, but also really bad when the situation asks for. They just see the doe Michael who 'would never do that to us, he loves us too much to hurt us'. That should be the first proof they have no idea what it feels to go through what you have gone through.If you don't tell them what happened and what happens they will never mobilize and get together as together to make that change and make this world better. They will never become aware of anything like NWO or Illuminati, they will never get the most VIVID proof about how media lies and spreads lies out of nothing, because they don't need facts to make up stories.

This world won't change without you, Michael .Never. If there is someone in this world who has the power to move mountains, that is you. And you will never be alone. It's enough to tell the whole world what happened and there will be an enormous shift in all the world.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: *Mo* on November 01, 2010, 04:16:15 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
It's true there are a lot of people who don't even want to listen or think about his message, probably a great majority, while we are like half of a quarter. But I really think that he thought about this and knew it would be like that.

[...]

I absolutely don't think Michael never thought this would happen. At the end of the time nothing is straight in your face or more evident than everything; everything is hidden in clues, codes and deep minuscule things.

I absolutely agree with that.  He's not lacking assessment skills, especially not after not being understood by the majority for the 2 decades in which he made attempt after attempt of getting his message through.  I'm sure he has taken this into account.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: _Anna_ on November 01, 2010, 04:25:09 AM
I quote Souza's paragraph here as it is exactly what I am completely sure about. Michael should be 100% sure about this too.
Just imagine the whole grief the fans feel.....When they will see him again it will be like a bomb that will travell all around the world and explode in the heart of every fan at the same time.

Quote from: "~Souza~"
I know one thing for sure. When he comes back, every fan will support him in any way they can, doubters won't have doubts anymore and those who thought it is not his reason to hoax his death, will realize they have been wrong and already know where to catch up on reading. If he has doubts if he will get enough support from the fans, I think that won't be necessary. His fans love and adore him too much to let him down and they are with millions, if not billions.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: _Anna_ on November 01, 2010, 04:47:43 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I explained this whole story to a friend of mine who first thought I was nuts, and in the end he said: "Could Michael be the one that will change the world, or at least start the change, leading and guiding us into a new era?" He finally got what I meant, how big this is. That it is to make people wonder what was ever real in this world and to stand up for their rights and to bring back love in this world. He immediately stopped ridiculing this whole thing and was quiet for 5 minutes. Then he said: "I wholeheartedly hope you are right". My mission for that day was accomplished.

Now that you told this story, I will tell you one too, that happened last week.
I was talking to a friend who has no idea about the situation, nor she is a fan (not that she doesn't like him, but not someone who has been into his music) and she doesn't know either that I adore his music since I was 5. I didn't tell her.
So we had a conversation about this world and how people believe anything that media feeds them. And that moment it was like a flash that came to my mind and I drifted the discussion to the media and how they lie with every single thing. I told her (the truth) that I do not watch TV since more than 5 years at all, that I have never held a news paper in my hands in the last 10 years or more and she told me 'really?!' and I said yes. Because everything you see on the TV or in magazines and newspapers are pure inventions. If you look at the lies that have spread about people who are completely innocent just because there are higher powers that manipulate them to try to destroy innocent people, you will see the lies under the whole shit (here I was deffinitely talking about Michael but I didn't say his name). She was listening to me with attention and serious, and then I thought to ask her 'do you know about these things like....NWO and Illuminati?' and she said 'yes....But I don't know what to believe.I am kinda afraid'. And I told her that we are many, far many than they are and that if we get together to fight against all this situation we can make the change. Then I told her don't you feel like a change starting to happen? if you look at some artists(mostly from America), more and more, who make the Illuminati signs and allusions, more than before, like slowly they are being more exposed?I told her to search and read more about the 11th of September attacks and how that could have been ipartly a hoax and she remained with big eyes looking at me.And she asked me then why the government and police don't do anything about it, if they are that dangerous....And I told her that because they are like ther puppets. Then, she asked me how do I know all this....And I told her I am learning and digging into it because i am interested and she told me 'now you got me interested....I will really go and search myself too.It's scary'

I felt good that she listened to me and becaus she felt interested in it.It's enough to tell someone and then probably they will spread the message, like a butterfly effect.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: liegi on November 01, 2010, 04:57:32 AM
You're right. People are becoming suspicious. They know something is not quite right, but they can't put their fingers on it. For example, a lot of people have thyroid problems (this was not common years ago), emphysema, chronic bronchitis, etc. "They" are probably not telling us the truth about how bad pollution--and the effects of Chernobyl--are.  People can tell there is not enough money to pay the bills. They can tell that food is not as good as it used to be.  Children are becoming obese and giants at a young age--not normal.
Michael probably knows what is behind all this and wants to expose this--"they don't really care about us" was the song he chose to announce his "death" (a clue he left behind for people).
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 01, 2010, 05:07:07 AM
I was hoping for this redirect, it was kinda why I posted that, I hoped someone would reply that he will bam no matter what, so TS could redirect. I gave 3 options, PureLove replied that he has to come bak, because otherwise it would all be in vain. That is the post TS redirects to, so even though it seems a little unclear, TS is actually saying PureLove is right by redirect to her post.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Grace on November 01, 2010, 05:11:55 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
... then I thought to ask her 'do you know about these things like....NWO and Illuminati?' and she said 'yes....But I don't know what to believe.I am kinda afraid'. And I told her that we are many, far many than they are and that if we get together to fight against all this situation we can make the change.
Yes, we are many. There is no need for fear.

[youtube:2x1e4y91]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-GXyBtJ5V4[/youtube:2x1e4y91]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-GXyBtJ5V4

I think that redirect to PureLove is purely great.  :D
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: _Anna_ on November 01, 2010, 05:38:50 AM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Amen to that. I sometimes feel like he is not coming back but will keep on giving himself to us with the new films, CDs, video games etc. But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless. And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious. I don't believe that Michael would "afraid" to come back because people won't believe it's him BUT probably, he lost his faith in changing people into good and open their eyes. I seriously do not even want to think about the possibility of a non-BAM. That would kill me for the second time and actually that would kill us all if we think about the end of the world! Michael has to come back and lead the army! That's how we can change things.

Well, PureLove, you spoke my thoughts with this.... It's what I feel, as I said above.
We can fight and fight but we could never manage to make this a worldwide fight against corruption, lies, injustice, without him. There are billions of people who love him. The ones who won't change even when the things are exposed simply are not worth trying to open their eyes. And at the end of the day they are a drop in the ocean. Probably those would be the fans or whetevr they want to call themselves that became aware of him overnight and became fans but have no idea the extent this man has been fighting to change this world, to fight injustice and help millions of people. It's not only about the singer and dancer, it's also about the humanitarian and constant fighter for justice like no one ever reached to do before. He has spent a whole lifetime helping people and trying to make this place a better world and make people think about his message. Like someone said and well he said it- he doesn't think internationally, nor worldwide, he thinks planets. That's the extent he goes to and the level he reached with his message. It's not worth backing down because that, for the people who won't understand. People WILL change. This has not been in vain. That's a fact and this little community (by now) is the proof.

If there are a few drops of dirty water in an ocean that doesn't mean the whole ocean is infested.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: TheRunningGirl on November 01, 2010, 05:47:34 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I was hoping for this redirect, it was kinda why I posted that, I hoped someone would reply that he will bam no matter what, so TS could redirect. I gave 3 options, PureLove replied that he has to come bak, because otherwise it would all be in vain. That is the post TS redirects to, so even though it seems a little unclear, TS is actually saying PureLove is right by redirect to her post.

This is my understanding of TS Re-direct as well:

Michael will BAM no matter what

TS must be having a lot of FUN at time when reading our interpretations of his re-directs, he must have been missing this "tickly" feeling ... that's why he started re-directing again!  

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thank you TS for helping us KEEP THE FAITH. xx

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Adi on November 01, 2010, 05:59:00 AM
My interpretation of the past 2 redirects today and yesterday:

Today's redirect tells me that Michael will come back. It is part of the entire plan. Don't lose faith. TS has told us this all along. Perhaps it is now at the stage where Michael feels he has reached as many as he can with out him actually being present...the next stage IS for him to be present and for us to support him in why he has done this as his Army of LOVE  :)


Yesterdays redirect: I must admit I felt a bit low after this because I interpreted it as Michael changing his mind about coming back  :cry:  But looking at it metaphorically YES there is a chasm between believers and non-believers...there always has been. However, there are alot of believers who over the past 15 months have spent countless hours (I know I have) telling their friends/families/colleagues that Michael is alive and why he has done this. Those friends might not have believed you and they may have thought you were nuts....but still you have planted seeds across that chasm and built little crossings by planting the message in their minds of what Michael wants to tell us. So when Michael does BAM I really think those people who didn't believe will listen to what Michael wants to tell them and we will be there to support that because we already know.

On top of this, all of Michael's fans, whether they are believers or not, would be beyond delirious to know that Michael really had not died.....they won't hate him for this...I have a gut feeling.....I can just feel it. And again that is when the Army of LOVE have to step up to support him in spreading the mesasage of why he has done what he has done.

**Edit to this: wanted to add that all my "non-believer" friends/family I have talked to about MJ being alive, and the reasons why, the past 15 months ALL say it would be wonderful if he were and they would love him to be alive and of all people he is the one they would think would be able to do this....  :)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Tarja on November 01, 2010, 06:04:14 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I was hoping for this redirect, it was kinda why I posted that, I hoped someone would reply that he will bam no matter what, so TS could redirect. I gave 3 options, PureLove replied that he has to come bak, because otherwise it would all be in vain. That is the post TS redirects to, so even though it seems a little unclear, TS is actually saying PureLove is right by redirect to her post.

I second your post. I think that if people won't see Michael comming back, they won't actually realize almost anything and those who are not even believers will realize even less. I am talking about the message they have to understand, the way media has lied in 99% of their articles, the way they made up stories. They won't realize it until they have the proof right in front of their eyes: Michael. I am a believer, yes, but 3 quarters of this planet are not. Many people are not even aware of the possible inconsistences surrounding his "death", some people blame those who see those inconsistences, and the rest, which is us, struggle daily to reach the message straight and help him as much as they can and work hard to spread the message towards the "deaf" people.
It's not an easy thing to do, we can't do this ad infinitum if we don't also have  a backup. No one will ever believe the opinion of a bunch of believers if there's nothing we can show to make them open their eyes. Only Michael can erase any trace of doubt or stubborness they have, only he can erase every doubt we also have, and our concern "what if he is not Ok and we only imagine this hoax?". He IS the proof that media lied since decades regarding him and not only about him. He would be that shocking proof that media LIES. He would be the bucket of cold water that will fall worldwide upon people. We are just his army, ready to fight and hold his back, but he is the leader and the army without its leader almost worths nothing. So yes, I say too that Michael needs to come back (when he wants), because only like this the mankind will wake up once and for all. I think of it and I absolutelly see a huge change, I think of the moment and I see like a storm that will hit this world in once second and justice will have a stronger meaning. Because JUSTICE has lost its importance, justice has lost its meaning just because people accepted it. Accepted some lie today, some lie tomorrow and it's became a false world. This is not the world I want to live in. I want justice back, for him, for us, for everybody. And he is the only one who can show this, only him. Without him, everything will be in vain and be forgotten sooner or later.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MissG on November 01, 2010, 07:01:05 AM
This has been the latest motto "MJ must come back to lead the army".

His family has been making the world believe that he is dead. I am not sure if people would trust the word of someone who "lied" even if it was for a good cause. We are dealing here with human nature. How can one trust a person who lied to you?

We trust news even if they lie to us, but in this case, is a person/ group of people doing that. the trust factor is going to be crucial.

If this hoax was designed to catch certain group of individuals and just ritched about 4000 active readers among the thouthands MJ had in his fan base, even if the each one of us tried to tell others that he did not die, and the reasons of the message, it won´t equal to the number of his fan base anyway.

It is difficult to keep the attention of avid readers who want a solution quick, but it is also difficult to understand a concept of message just in few weeks. The time already used has been the minimum one to do some deep research, but people get bored and leave.

IDK, in my case worked the other way around, the more info I get, the more i research, the more hooked up I am, but it comes a point where we need to move to the next level and it is now, imo, when that step needs to be taken, before the year ends imo. Another year of research will take down the number of "believers" a.k.a delutional wakos not letting MJ RIP. The pressure is all over.

Let´s see if that 25th of December purple event (Prince) brings also something.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 01, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
This has been the latest motto "MJ must come back to lead the army".

His family has been making the world believe that he is dead. I am not sure if people would trust the word of someone who "lied" even if it was for a good cause. We are dealing here with human nature. How can one trust a person who lied to you?

We trust news even if they lie to us, but in this case, is a person/ group of people doing that. the trust factor is going to be crucial.

If this hoax was designed to catch certain group of individuals and just ritched about 4000 active readers among the thouthands MJ had in his fan base, even if the each one of us tried to tell others that he did not die, and the reasons of the message, it won´t equal to the number of his fan base anyway.

It is difficult to keep the attention of avid readers who want a solution quick, but it is also difficult to understand a concept of message just in few weeks. The time already used has been the minimum one to do some deep research, but people get bored and leave.

IDK, in my case worked the other way around, the more info I get, the more i research, the more hooked up I am, but it comes a point where we need to move to the next level and it is now, imo, when that step needs to be taken, before the year ends imo. Another year of research will take down the number of "believers" a.k.a delutional wakos not letting MJ RIP. The pressure is all over.

Let´s see if that 25th of December purple event (Prince) brings also something.

I think he has enough credits with the fans. If he explains why he did it, they will listen, because it is what he always stood for. I 100% believe that.

I agree that something, anything, should happen soon. The smaller the army, the harder it will be for us to help out once he returns.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: *Mo* on November 01, 2010, 07:26:29 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Let´s see if that 25th of December purple event (Prince) brings also something.

Prince said: "We're here today in New York to announce a series of events...that will begin...on a purple day in December in the year 2010.".  

Prince's Welcome 2 America tour starts on December 14th...

"Welcome to America is best described as...what we've all been waiting for."  Well, if this has anything to do with MJ and getting his message through, then I wholeheartedly agree with "what we've all been waiting for", and then I mean the entire world has been waiting for - a big change.

There is a lot of shit going on right now, and by carefully monitoring all the events that take place all over the world you could conclude that we're heading towards big shit.  Hence last Friday's "bomb packages on flights" false flag events which were quickly blamed on al Fake-eda to create fear amongst the world population so that TPTB easily can take new "security measures" to control people even more...and that's just the start in my honest opinion.

It's time to wake up right now, but we can't make this wake-up call alone...we need help...Mr. Jackson's help!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MJJSmile on November 01, 2010, 07:30:58 AM
Hey guys you all are right, your thoughts and views are the same as mine.  ;)
Michael, please come back, together we will be stronger than ever.  8-)
Dear Commander your soldiers are ready  :P
With L.O.V.E.  :P
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: BeTheChange on November 01, 2010, 08:12:11 AM
I've been sick as heck lately and been away from the board but I am SOOO glad to see TS redirecting again.  Like many of you, I don't want nor need to be 'spoon-fed' but it sure feels nice to be held by the hand  ;)

I agree with a lot of the comments regarding the last two redirects.  I don't think that yesterday's redirect was meant to be a negative message (i.e. a suggestion that Michael has changed his mind about a BAM).  I took it as meaning that the great divide is extremely difficult to narrow for us alone.  Most of us have tried from the beginning to tell people that MJ is alive without much success, and believers are in the minority at this stage.  But even those that believe he died, the true fans, they wish with all their hearts that somehow he could be alive....they just can't make that leap over the chasm of 'faith'.  As the passage suggests, though, all the 'evidence' to build that faith is there for anyone who seeks it.  Much like all the other stuff going on in the world (the NWO, terror threats, the Illuminati, etc)...the knowledge is out there for anyone who takes the time to research and educate themselves.  Yet many don't for whatever reason.  I believe this is why the passage then states that even if someone were raised from the dead, some still won't believe.  In essence, if people can't see what's been right in front of their faces for the past 15 months, then what more can make them believe?  I firmly believe, like many of you, that the ONLY way to narrow that gulf and to shine the light on the true message is for MJ himself to appear and then lead the way.  While yesterday's redirect might have been a bit 'cloudy', today's redirect confirms this very fact.  The world needs a BAM more than they can even fathom...and MJ not only knows this, but has planned it exactly as it is unfolding.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: jacilovesmichael on November 01, 2010, 08:23:51 AM
Thank you TS! We needed this redirect that's for sure. This truly has been testing my patience but I believe I'm a better person because of it, so I'm grateful. It's difficult some days but I do trust that Mike knows what he's doing. I'm ready when you're ready Michael!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: TinkerBell_777 on November 01, 2010, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: "Adi"
My interpretation of the past 2 redirects today and yesterday:

Today's redirect tells me that Michael will come back. It is part of the entire plan. Don't lose faith. TS has told us this all along. Perhaps it is now at the stage where Michael feels he has reached as many as he can with out him actually being present...the next stage IS for him to be present and for us to support him in why he has done this as his Army of LOVE  :)


Yesterdays redirect: I must admit I felt a bit low after this because I interpreted it as Michael changing his mind about coming back  :cry:  But looking at it metaphorically YES there is a chasm between believers and non-believers...there always has been. However, there are alot of believers who over the past 15 months have spent countless hours (I know I have) telling their friends/families/colleagues that Michael is alive and why he has done this. Those friends might not have believed you and they may have thought you were nuts....but still you have planted seeds across that chasm and built little crossings by planting the message in their minds of what Michael wants to tell us. So when Michael does BAM I really think those people who didn't believe will listen to what Michael wants to tell them and we will be there to support that because we already know.

On top of this, all of Michael's fans, whether they are believers or not, would be beyond delirious to know that Michael really had not died.....they won't hate him for this...I have a gut feeling.....I can just feel it. And again that is when the Army of LOVE have to step up to support him in spreading the mesasage of why he has done what he has done.

**Edit to this: wanted to add that all my "non-believer" friends/family I have talked to about MJ being alive, and the reasons why, the past 15 months ALL say it would be wonderful if he were and they would love him to be alive and of all people he is the one they would think would be able to do this....  :)

I agree with you, Adi, I felt the same way as you did about the 2 redirects. However, since TS has never proved inconsistent in meanings and messages so far, I looked further into the Biblical excerpt. The entire context and parable-story goes like this:

Now there was a certain rich man, and he was clothed in purple and fine linen, living in luxury every day. A certain beggar, named Lazarus, was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table. Yes, even the dogs came and licked his sores. It happened that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried.

In Hades, he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his bosom. He cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue! For I am in anguish in this flame."

But Abraham said, "Son, remember that you, in your lifetime, received your good things, and Lazarus, in the same way, bad things. But now here he is comforted and you are in anguish. Besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that those who want to pass from here to you are not able, and that none may cross over from there to us."

He said, "I ask you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house; for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, so they won't also come into this place of torment."

But Abraham said to him, "They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them."

He said, "No, father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent."

He said to him, "If they don't listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rises from the dead."
– Luke 16:19–31, World English Bible


According to wikipedia, "Martin Luther taught that the story was a parable about rich and poor in this life and the details of the afterlife not to be taken literally:

"Therefore we conclude that the bosom of Abraham signifies nothing else than the Word of God,.... the hell here mentioned cannot be the true hell that will begin on the day of judgment. For the corpse of the rich man is without doubt not in hell, but buried in the earth; it must however be a place where the soul can be and has no peace, and it cannot be corporal. Therefore it seems to me, this hell is the conscience, which is without faith and without the Word of God, in which the soul is buried and held until the day of judgment, when they are cast down body and soul into the true and real hell." (Church Postil 1522-23)[11]

INTERPRETATIONS
The parable illustrates a theme common to several of Jesus' parables: the treatment of the least of society is the true measure of piety. The rich man is "indifferent to the needs of the poor,"[1] and his claims to external virtue and legal satisfaction could not compensate for this neglect. Jesus taught, repeatedly, that the Kingdom of God is within the soul and not in the law, in contrast to the Pharisean understanding of the Messiah.

What makes this parable even more poignant is that the author of the Gospel is apparently also the author of the Acts of the Apostles, which relates the events after the Resurrection (or at very least, is aware of the resurrection). The readers are aware that not only do they have the words of Moses and the Prophets but that someone returned from death, too. Further, for early Christians, the parable answers the question of why, after the resurrection, Jesus did not preach and give new warnings to the living.

This is an interesting interpretation shift, highlighting the importance of believing, of having faith in the essence of the message rather than witnessing a miracle. This does not imply that the miracle (resurrection) will not occur, it just means that the faith should be there regardless of the "living proof".


LOVE,
Andy
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Terror2k10 on November 01, 2010, 08:46:44 AM
I have always felt MJ is "DEAD" because if you look at our history many people with strong messages for us have died! John kennedy, John Lennon,Martin luther King,Malcom X,maybe all by secret society.What better way to get your message out if they think your already "Dead". You should be watching me,you should feel threatened! His message has gotten out to us and we have spread it to as many as we could and he is safely hidden,until he is ready to resurface,for the shock! Godspeed,peace and Love to the world.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: TheRunningGirl on November 01, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Gema"
This has been the latest motto "MJ must come back to lead the army".

His family has been making the world believe that he is dead. I am not sure if people would trust the word of someone who "lied" even if it was for a good cause. We are dealing here with human nature. How can one trust a person who lied to you?

We trust news even if they lie to us, but in this case, is a person/ group of people doing that. the trust factor is going to be crucial.

If this hoax was designed to catch certain group of individuals and just ritched about 4000 active readers among the thouthands MJ had in his fan base, even if the each one of us tried to tell others that he did not die, and the reasons of the message, it won´t equal to the number of his fan base anyway.

It is difficult to keep the attention of avid readers who want a solution quick, but it is also difficult to understand a concept of message just in few weeks. The time already used has been the minimum one to do some deep research, but people get bored and leave.

IDK, in my case worked the other way around, the more info I get, the more i research, the more hooked up I am, but it comes a point where we need to move to the next level and it is now, imo, when that step needs to be taken, before the year ends imo. Another year of research will take down the number of "believers" a.k.a delutional wakos not letting MJ RIP. The pressure is all over.

Let´s see if that 25th of December purple event (Prince) brings also something.

I think he has enough credits with the fans. If he explains why he did it, they will listen, because it is what he always stood for. I 100% believe that.

I agree that something, anything, should happen soon. The smaller the army, the harder it will be for us to help out once he returns.

I agree with Both of you... His fans and even the broader public will accept his reasons for hoaxing his death when he comes back, NO QUESTION!

But what about the rest of his message, his much broader message to Heal the World (Media corruption, NWO, Love) --- he has attempted to give the message through his art and his speeches for over 20 years with (my assessment) limited success - WHAT WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME?

In my humble opinion, this is where the Army of L.O.V.E comes in, in helping preparing for his BAM  under HIS direction (And Yes I agree he needs to lead his Army!) so that PEOPLE across the World hear his message this time round and ACT upon it.
To Love is to Act!

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: paula-c on November 01, 2010, 10:22:39 AM
This message today reminded me of two things, first the theory of the Age of Aquarius de Souza, I have to quote a part:

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As the videos explained, each age has its own hero: Horus, Moses, Jesus, etc. All of them have their own story, each age begins with a change. I, as a firm believer that everything is truly "written in the stars" think Mike could very well be that person that should be the one that will be responsible for that change. Of all people in the world, he is the one that can make that happen. As people said he had a messiah-complex, he himself said he is not Jesus, but wants to be Jesus-like, by helping others. Jesus was the one starting the age of pisces, Mike might be the one that will form the age of aquarius. This could be why we see the Jesus pose, the 12 dancers, the Last Supper, the references to the sun (I'm the light of the world), the sunflowers etc. I think he knows a lot about astrology and I think he might have seen that he has the power and the knowledge to do it.



And what TS said, Michael and Elvis, double bam this summer?

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And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”

The theory of the Age of Aquarius is very plausible seeing everything parallel between Michael and the theory and we got to 2012 = change in consciousness, the message, who is the person who will preach that message (messiah or leader) in Michael here and if people are willing to listen.
And what TS said about the great battle (Army of love) we believers. I've always wondered how will that bump or return, in what way are we going to see?, We'll see just those who have faith?, Which we have full assurance of things hoped for (the message) that we conviction of things not seen and yet we continue to support Michael.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: _Anna_ on November 01, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
I've been thinking about this redirect all day since this morning, and I tell you I am a bit concerned.
Probably Michael feels insecure about our support? Maybe he feels that his message is not fully understood not even by us? Because the majority of the people here really got the message and also there is no risk for them to give up. The ones who strongly undertstand the message will never give up. There are still some people who feel insecure about the situation- I myself have ups and downs all the time but never never never ever to give up. Never. I have been in this for 12 months and I will be there.

I am honestly concerned about Michael, about what he feels. I don't know if this redirect wants to tell us that he needs more support, understanding and patience. Is it possible that Michael is afraid that things aren't understood yet? Is he afraid to come back or probably things are simmering and coming to an end and the goosebumps start to feel in his heart and he is afraid of the consecuences?(the few fans who probably will get angry and revolted because he made them suffer)

He doesn't ever have to think about the minuscule amount of people who will accuse him of making them suffer. They are a minuscule community. And I tell you, I am completely sure that even those people will understand when he will explain the whole situation. It's human nature, when people don't understand a truth it goes like this: first it will be ridiculed, then denied and in the end strongly opposed. Only HE can make them understand.We can't do it anymore, because people need him for that.

I think that the redirect from yesterday created confusion and also together with the today redirect I feel there is more about the message in it. Probably TS could redirect tomorrow more answers to our tryings to dig into these redirects.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Tarja on November 01, 2010, 11:34:51 AM
I don't know if I get it right, but I feel this redirect,this message, as a challenge towards us, to see how many of us are really ready to keep on until the end, how many from us really want him back and also to protect and stay besides him even after his come back. I don't want him to feel insecure or nervous, because he has us, and from my part I will never give up no matter how much I gave in this all, I gave it with all my heart and I am here for him. And I know we are all here for him. There will be some stubborn people who will oppose it, who will not like the fact they were "fooled", but what they don't understand is that they were fooled by media and not by Michael. You don't have to care so much about those people, Michael. There will always be a small amount of people who will not be able to understand it and this shows that they don't deserve your concern. You have to stand up for the truth, stand up for your life and for your rights, for justice. You don't have why to be afraid because I tell you again that you are not alone. And we are strong enough to keep up for you.

[center:28x6zhx9]They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us

There's nothing that can't be done
If we raise our voice as one
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[/size]


 and you know it, Michael
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Sarahli on November 01, 2010, 11:35:00 AM
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Elsa on November 01, 2010, 12:57:30 PM
At the funeral there were two pictures on either side of the casket.  In each Michael is wearing a BAD belt featuring a bird.  Surely this bird is a phoenix.  

Also there is a This Is It  Dual phoenix t-shirt that features on the front, a phoenix on either side of the 'MJ'. The phoenix's are repeated on the back.  http://michaeljackson.shop.bravadousa.c ... c=BGCTMJ90 (http://michaeljackson.shop.bravadousa.com/Product.aspx?pc=BGCTMJ90)

I think it means there will be a return and revelation of the truth - whatever that may be.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: emeraldcity on November 01, 2010, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.

I agree with you Sarahli, that it's all about timing.  The term "the eleventh hour" springs to mind and perhaps this is why TS redirected to this post on the first day of the eleventh month.  It could mean we are moving into the next phase ... a phase that will herald "the beginning of the end".  The seeds of truth have been sown far and wide and the result will be one mighty harvest.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: AnaMarcia on November 01, 2010, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
I've been thinking about this redirect all day since this morning, and I tell you I am a bit concerned.
Probably Michael feels insecure about our support? Maybe he feels that his message is not fully understood not even by us? Because the majority of the people here really got the message and also there is no risk for them to give up. The ones who strongly undertstand the message will never give up. There are still some people who feel insecure about the situation- I myself have ups and downs all the time but never never never ever to give up. Never. I have been in this for 12 months and I will be there.

I am honestly concerned about Michael, about what he feels. I don't know if this redirect wants to tell us that he needs more support, understanding and patience. Is it possible that Michael is afraid that things aren't understood yet? Is he afraid to come back or probably things are simmering and coming to an end and the goosebumps start to feel in his heart and he is afraid of the consecuences?(the few fans who probably will get angry and revolted because he made them suffer)

He doesn't ever have to think about the minuscule amount of people who will accuse him of making them suffer. They are a minuscule community. And I tell you, I am completely sure that even those people will understand when he will explain the whole situation. It's human nature, when people don't understand a truth it goes like this: first it will be ridiculed, then denied and in the end strongly opposed. Only HE can make them understand.We can't do it anymore, because people need him for that.

I think that the redirect from yesterday created confusion and also together with the today redirect I feel there is more about the message in it. Probably TS could redirect tomorrow more answers to our tryings to dig into these redirects.

I think Michael is not afraid to go back.
If he planned a comeback, he will, even at some risk.
Fearful of Return does not match Michael. He always seemed quite challenging and courageous.

After all, you are right: it will be well supported by us (fans believers) and I'm sure that even those who are truly RIPS his fans will understand it and be thrilled with his return.

Those who do not support it (purely out of jealousy) do not merit concern, because we can not expect anything good coming from their mouths.

Come back, Michael  ... we're here for you, always!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Sarahli on November 01, 2010, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.

I agree with you Sarahli, that it's all about timing.  The term "the eleventh hour" springs to mind and perhaps this is why TS redirected to this post on the first day of the eleventh month.  It could mean we are moving into the next phase ... a phase that will herald "the beginning of the end".  The seeds of truth have been sown far and wide and the result will be one mighty harvest.

Thanks emerald and "Remember, remember the 5th of November"  ;)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MissG on November 01, 2010, 04:05:08 PM
I think it´s time!!!! We can´t miss it!!

People all over the world (everybody)
Join in (join)
Start a love train, love train
People all over the world (all the world, now)
Join in (love ride)
Start a love train (love ride), love train
The next stop that we make will be England
Tell all the folks in Russia, and China, too
Don't you know that it's time to get on board
And let this train keep on riding, riding on through
Well, well
People all over the world (you don't need no money)
Join hands (come on)
Start a love train, love train (don't need no ticket, come on)
People all over the world (Join in, ride this train)
Join in (Ride this train, y'all)
Start a love train (Come on, train), love train
All of you brothers over in Africa
Tell all the folks in Egypt, and Israel, too
Please don't miss this train at the station
'Cause if you miss it, I feel sorry, sorry for you
Well
People all over the world (Sisters and brothers)
Join hands (join, come on)
Start a love train (ride this train, y'all), love train (Come on)
People all over the world (Don't need no tickets)
Join hands (come on, ride)
Start a love train, love train
Ride, let it ride
Let it ride
Let it ride
People, ain't no war
People all over the world (on this train)
Join in (ride the train)
Start a love train, love train (ride the train, y'all)
People all over the world (come on)
Join hands (you can ride or stand, yeah)
Start a love train, love train (makin' love)
People all over the world ('round the world, y'all)
Join hands (come on)
Start a love train, love train

[youtube:151s2j5n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQvmCzILBfE[/youtube:151s2j5n]
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: PureLove on November 01, 2010, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Amen to that. I sometimes feel like he is not coming back but will keep on giving himself to us with the new films, CDs, video games etc. But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless. And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious. I don't believe that Michael would "afraid" to come back because people won't believe it's him BUT probably, he lost his faith in changing people into good and open their eyes. I seriously do not even want to think about the possibility of a non-BAM. That would kill me for the second time and actually that would kill us all if we think about the end of the world! Michael has to come back and lead the army! That's how we can change things.

Well okay, I have to admit that this redirect scared me more. Because I didn't only explain the things that won't happen if he doesn't come back but also I wrote the possibility of a non-BAM and how he could give himself to us such as with the new DVDs, video games, films etc. I'm confused about which part TS wants us to get as the truth. The part I wrote about how we need him to come back or the part about he will give himself to us with his work but won't come back physically? We need to get this straight. So, TS can you pls redirect to this post of mine if Michael is going to comeback no matter what? So we could all understand which part we need to get. Thank you in advance. :)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 01, 2010, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Amen to that. I sometimes feel like he is not coming back but will keep on giving himself to us with the new films, CDs, video games etc. But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless. And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious. I don't believe that Michael would "afraid" to come back because people won't believe it's him BUT probably, he lost his faith in changing people into good and open their eyes. I seriously do not even want to think about the possibility of a non-BAM. That would kill me for the second time and actually that would kill us all if we think about the end of the world! Michael has to come back and lead the army! That's how we can change things.

Well okay, I have to admit that this redirect scared me more. Because I didn't only explain the things that won't happen if he doesn't come back but also I wrote the possibility of a non-BAM and how he could give himself to us such as with the new DVDs, video games, films etc. I'm confused about which part TS wants us to get as the truth. The part I wrote about how we need him to come back or the part about he will give himself to us with his work but won't come back physically? We need to get this straight. So, TS can you pls redirect to this post of mine if Michael is going to comeback no matter what? So we could all understand which part we need to get. Thank you in advance. :)

It scared me as well, but I think because you explained why having a bam would make more sense then not having a bam, is why he redirected to it. Because, to me, this whole time TS has been saying there would be a bam, even if he didn't come directly out and say it.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: _Anna_ on November 01, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
In a way I think that probably Michael is in fact ready to come back but people's degree of understanding is keeping him away, still. But a comeback will have to happen in order for the whole situation to be understood by the whole world and for the message to be spread with light's speed.
Probably the time is coming closer and we will determine it.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: PureLove on November 01, 2010, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Amen to that. I sometimes feel like he is not coming back but will keep on giving himself to us with the new films, CDs, video games etc. But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless. And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious. I don't believe that Michael would "afraid" to come back because people won't believe it's him BUT probably, he lost his faith in changing people into good and open their eyes. I seriously do not even want to think about the possibility of a non-BAM. That would kill me for the second time and actually that would kill us all if we think about the end of the world! Michael has to come back and lead the army! That's how we can change things.

Well okay, I have to admit that this redirect scared me more. Because I didn't only explain the things that won't happen if he doesn't come back but also I wrote the possibility of a non-BAM and how he could give himself to us such as with the new DVDs, video games, films etc. I'm confused about which part TS wants us to get as the truth. The part I wrote about how we need him to come back or the part about he will give himself to us with his work but won't come back physically? We need to get this straight. So, TS can you pls redirect to this post of mine if Michael is going to comeback no matter what? So we could all understand which part we need to get. Thank you in advance. :)

It scared me as well, but I think because you explained why having a bam would make more sense then not having a bam, is why he redirected to it. Because, to me, this whole time TS has been saying there would be a bam, even if he didn't come directly out and say it.


I hope the part we need to get from this redirect is only "But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless" ! Because otherwise, this whole thing would be a huge disappointment. Well we'll see tomorrow I guess. Just keeping my fingers crossed. "MICHAEL COME BACK"!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: PureLove on November 01, 2010, 07:17:50 PM
Okay, I read what I wrote to yesterday's redirect once more and I also made this post too:

"I think we shouldn't try to understand what the Bible wants to say directly. Because TS' intention is not to teach us the Bible or Christianity. He uses Bible metaphorically to explain the situation we're having in the hoax. TS already wrote that many people will not even believe he is really Michael himself after he comes back. He intensifies the things he wrote and explained by using Bible. The question I had after reading this redirect is; Did Michael change his mind about the return because he thinks that many people will not believe that it's really him even after he comes back? I hope this is not true because I do believe MOST of the fans will believe if they see him in flesh and bone and the rest will believe in time."

So, if it was about a non-BAM, I think TS would redirect us to this post of mine because I wrote and asked if Michael changed his mind about the return. I think he made this redirect because both Souza and I explained the importance of the BAM and I started my post with "AMEN TO THAT" for the things Souza wrote. Pheeeewwww I feel a little bit better now lol :)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 01, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Amen to that. I sometimes feel like he is not coming back but will keep on giving himself to us with the new films, CDs, video games etc. But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless. And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious. I don't believe that Michael would "afraid" to come back because people won't believe it's him BUT probably, he lost his faith in changing people into good and open their eyes. I seriously do not even want to think about the possibility of a non-BAM. That would kill me for the second time and actually that would kill us all if we think about the end of the world! Michael has to come back and lead the army! That's how we can change things.

Well okay, I have to admit that this redirect scared me more. Because I didn't only explain the things that won't happen if he doesn't come back but also I wrote the possibility of a non-BAM and how he could give himself to us such as with the new DVDs, video games, films etc. I'm confused about which part TS wants us to get as the truth. The part I wrote about how we need him to come back or the part about he will give himself to us with his work but won't come back physically? We need to get this straight. So, TS can you pls redirect to this post of mine if Michael is going to comeback no matter what? So we could all understand which part we need to get. Thank you in advance. :)

It scared me as well, but I think because you explained why having a bam would make more sense then not having a bam, is why he redirected to it. Because, to me, this whole time TS has been saying there would be a bam, even if he didn't come directly out and say it.


I hope the part we need to get from this redirect is only "But a Thriller without a Comeback would be pointless" ! Because otherwise, this whole thing would be a huge disappointment. Well we'll see tomorrow I guess. Just keeping my fingers crossed. "MICHAEL COME BACK"!

Also the "And how is the message going to be spread if he changed his mind about the return? We can not do it by ourselves, it is so obvious." ;)
I agree with you, we can't do this without Michael by our sides. I think he will come back, and I believe that everyone should calm down and wait it out, there's a time and place for everything. I'm sure Michael has a huge plan, and maybe or maybe not has already planned when he's going to return, he's thought out, planned and organized the hoax VERY intellectually so far, I don't think he'll just pop in anytime soon and say "Hey, I'm actually alive!" I believe there's a lot more to it than that.  ;)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: airieslady on November 01, 2010, 07:43:59 PM
I think it is ironic that the media will have no choice as to report for Michael... hahah!  I love it!  After Mike's message is revealed to the whole world through himself... what will the media do?  The whole world will be much wiser to how the media has lied in the past.  The media can change the world in a minute with forced creation of fear, mindcontrolling commercials, etc.  Stay behind the curtain or comeback in order to proceed in a big way.  He cares too much about the world and I do believe that he truly wants a better life for his own children and the rest of us.  This has been a process of educating everyone in this Army... it had to be this way!  Michael's Way!  I am ready for what's coming next... I will be there!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: angel on November 01, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.

I am certain also, that there will be a BAM.  I  think it is set in stone, only the details may change a little.  I believe we are moving from boot camp to active duty, and although we do need a leader of the army, I think Michael is looking for those who can work without supervision, stay focused and on task without his constant direction.  It's a call to action of the heart, and love, not forced, but as natural as the next breath we take. That's an awesome power; it  will overcome the obstacles and make believers out of doubters.  For me, this is a time for prayer, being on my knees before God, asking Him for guidance, not only for the Army of Love, but for Michael, that God's perfect will be done in this.  I believe this is a main avenue of support for him.  This is truly an exciting moment in time and I am so looking forward to the day when all of heaven and earth will declare, "Michael is alive!"  L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: chappie on November 02, 2010, 01:32:13 AM
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Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MsTrinity333 on November 02, 2010, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: "angel"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.

I am certain also, that there will be a BAM.  I  think it is set in stone, only the details may change a little.  I believe we are moving from boot camp to active duty, and although we do need a leader of the army, I think Michael is looking for those who can work without supervision, stay focused and on task without his constant direction.  It's a call to action of the heart, and love, not forced, but as natural as the next breath we take. That's an awesome power; it  will overcome the obstacles and make believers out of doubters.  For me, this is a time for prayer, being on my knees before God, asking Him for guidance, not only for the Army of Love, but for Michael, that God's perfect will be done in this.  I believe this is a main avenue of support for him.  This is truly an exciting moment in time and I am so looking forward to the day when all of heaven and earth will declare, "Michael is alive!"  L.O.V.E.

Yes I agree.
And Intercessors are important...
I thank God for all the ones I've met in the last year.  I thought I was the only crazy one out there.   ;) I had no idea how many people were having similar experiences after Michael's "death". There's been a lot of Spiritual activity going on.  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Tink.I.Am on November 02, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.

I agree with you Sarahli, that it's all about timing.  The term "the eleventh hour" springs to mind and perhaps this is why TS redirected to this post on the first day of the eleventh month.  It could mean we are moving into the next phase ... a phase that will herald "the beginning of the end".  The seeds of truth have been sown far and wide and the result will be one mighty harvest.

if this marks the begining of the end.... LSW also said this is the begining of the end.,,,
then can one say that this marks the middle??   that  counting from 25th june 2009 until now.. and from now until the future....  if this is halftime.. then BAM's day will be on  mars 10th  2012   ??? thats 990 days that will have past  yesterday was day 495.

but if we might think that halfway there already has been.... and we want to look at the magic number 777 ....  then from the 25th june 2009   and counting 777 days... BAM'S day will be on  10th august 2011  :idea:  :?:

what do you think?
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: Sarahli on November 02, 2010, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: "Tink.I.Am"
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that it is not only the content of the redirect that is important but the timing as well. We know that there will be a BAM, we had already discussed that point in earlier redirects, this is a certainty. I was thinking why TS does redirect to that now. I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. The BAM is a process in itself and may take time to develop. Maybe that the redirect was poiting to that, we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one.

I agree with you Sarahli, that it's all about timing.  The term "the eleventh hour" springs to mind and perhaps this is why TS redirected to this post on the first day of the eleventh month.  It could mean we are moving into the next phase ... a phase that will herald "the beginning of the end".  The seeds of truth have been sown far and wide and the result will be one mighty harvest.

if this marks the begining of the end.... LSW also said this is the begining of the end.,,,
then can one say that this marks the middle??   that  counting from 25th june 2009 until now.. and from now until the future....  if this is halftime.. then BAM's day will be on  mars 10th  2012   ??? thats 990 days that will have past  yesterday was day 495.

but if we might think that halfway there already has been.... and we want to look at the magic number 777 ....  then from the 25th june 2009   and counting 777 days... BAM'S day will be on  10th august 2011  :idea:  :?:

what do you think?


I am for option two > we're in the middle of the hoax schedule... I don't see a return in 2012 (for obvious reasons *too far*  :lol: ) but in 2011 it makes sense for me. I think that the more the hoax develops itself and the more the BAM approaches we will receive more serious and obvious clues pointing to D-Day until we are 100% sure, all senses awaken for BAM. This is BlackJack who pointed that out because we were almost all saying that Michael will surprise us and not give the BAM date for sure, and it became more clear for me that this is simply not possible because the world's attention has to be attracted for such an important day. So one day or the other we will know for sure the bamsday date. I don't think that BAM is for the 5th of November but as it is an important date for the hoax surely we will receive a big information/message... a revelation maybe I don't know... waiting and seeing  8-)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: silver_glepha on November 02, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
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edited last video
It has the answer we need.
When and where - depends on us.
Why so? - "Human nature" which means - HE (MJ) decided it to be SO.

(http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1011/c2/31197dde23af.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: PureLove on November 02, 2010, 08:22:15 PM
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 02, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.

Hmmm, I think that's exactly what LSW WANTS you to think, make of that what you want...
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MsTrinity333 on November 02, 2010, 09:55:10 PM
I think it's worthwhile keeping an eye on L7W; I haven't counted them out as some have.  I too find it interesting their last video was called Beginning Of The End.  Coincidence?  No such thing where 777 is concerned.
 ;)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: TouchedByAnAngel on November 02, 2010, 10:38:13 PM
Wow, it has been a long time since I posted here, but I do stop by and read occasionally, especially when TIAI redirects here :-) This last redirect is exciting to me because I feel we are getting closer. Personally what jumped out at me the most with this redirect was the last line of Sarahli's post where she said "Remember remember the 5th of November". I absolutely loved the movie V For Vendetta! From the first time I saw it, I just had an overwhelming feeling that Michael was the actor behind Mr V's mask. In the movie, the message V taught Evey was painful but necessary. She learned that when you overcome your fear you gain your freedom. I think this is what Michael has been trying to teach us with this hoax. He wants us to wake up and realize what is going on in the world. He had to do something drastic to wake us up and get our attention! The thought of his "death" caused unbelievable pain for millions of people. Thank goodness, many of us discovered that it was a hoax...and he definitely got our attention! Now that we are awake and aware we realize there is hope. We understand that we do have power to change the world and many are spreading the love and sharing this information. I recently saw a Gregg Braden video where he talked about how powerful our thoughts are. When people are focusing on the same outcome, good or bad, they have the power to make it reality. Our society is fed negativity and fear non-stop by the media and people feel hopeless. Michael is teaching unity with love for all. Mr. Braden said that the square root of 1% of the world's population, or about 8,000 people, is all that is needed to change the world (paradigm shift). I truly believe that Michael is the catalyst for this paradigm shift!

Anyway, I'm rattling on because it has been awhile since I've posted here. I'm mostly on Twitter now, and it is nice to have the freedom to say more than 140 characters LOL. Back to V For Vendetta. I mentioned to a twitter friend last night that I was excited about this last redirect mainly because of the "Remember remember the 5th of November" line. Later she tweeted this and it blew me away!

theblu1 ~ We´re part of that dream - each of us. The countdown`s on. On Nov 5th, there´re 777 days left til 12/21/2012 !!

This can NOT be a coincidence!  :lol: My biggest wish, if I could have just 1 come true, would be for Michael to take over the media, like V did, and reveal his hoax/adventure to the world.

Once again, Thank You Michael! I have never felt so loved, or felt such love for another! You're just Another Part Of Me!

Blessed to have been,
Touched By An Angel

http://twitter.com/TouchedByAngelM (http://twitter.com/TouchedByAngelM)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MJonmind on November 02, 2010, 11:32:26 PM
Quote
TouchedByAnAngel -
I recently saw a Gregg Braden video where he talked about how powerful our thoughts are. When people are focusing on the same outcome, good or bad, they have the power to make it reality. Our society is fed negativity and fear non-stop by the media and people feel hopeless. Michael is teaching unity with love for all. Mr. Braden said that the square root of 1% of the world's population, or about 8,000 people, is all that is needed to change the world (paradigm shift). I truly believe that Michael is the catalyst for this paradigm shift!

Anyway, I'm rattling on because it has been awhile since I've posted here. I'm mostly on Twitter now, and it is nice to have the freedom to say more than 140 characters LOL. Back to V For Vendetta. I mentioned to a twitter friend last night that I was excited about this last redirect mainly because of the "Remember remember the 5th of November" line. Later she tweeted this and it blew me away!

theblu1 ~ We´re part of that dream - each of us. The countdown`s on. On Nov 5th, there´re 777 days left til 12/21/2012 !!

This can NOT be a coincidence!  My biggest wish, if I could have just 1 come true, would be for Michael to take over the media, like V did, and reveal his hoax/adventure to the world.

Once again, Thank You Michael! I have never felt so loved, or felt such love for another! You're just Another Part Of Me!
Wonderful post! We've discussed before about Gideon's 300, similar to this 1%= 8,000, could be enough with strong leadership in the flesh--Michael! :mrgreen:  November 5 is not long to wait, and is some powerful significance--777 to Mayan calendar end :shock:  :o  :shock:  Ditto on the love part. :oops:  :D He can take over more than just the media, remember he thinks--planets. Back said it's not a come-back but a take-over. Remember when the fan comes into the van and asks Michael if she could have a hug, he says, "I can give you more that than (sheepishly/shyly)!! Michael is all about MORE :D than we can imagine or hope for!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: 2 Bad on November 03, 2010, 02:21:54 AM
I truly am sitting here with tears in my eyes reading these posts.
I want to thank each and every one of you for your input, you help things get processed in my mind  beautifully! it is all pretty neat and tidy! Eyes wide open, mind wide open!
Don't forget Nov 5th, Fri is the day Oprah is on TV with Katherine and the MJ kids from Encino!
Keep spreading the Love! We have the power!  

Proud soldier of the Army of LOVE!!

We LOVE you Michael!
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: PureLove on November 03, 2010, 10:08:46 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.

Hmmm, I think that's exactly what LSW WANTS you to think, make of that what you want...

I don't know if that is what LSW wants us to think. That's possible but I don't prejudge anyone. It's just his videos are so creative and a piece of art. He/she used film grammer so perfectly. So I'll be keeping an eye on LSW. Enjoying to watch his videos.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MissG on November 03, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.

Hmmm, I think that's exactly what LSW WANTS you to think, make of that what you want...

I think so as well.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MJrocksmyworldX on November 03, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
I don't think Michael is scared. Plus, I don't think a fan is a real fan if they are angry with Michael for hurting them. Surely a real fan would be too happy about his comeback and him being ok to even think about being mad at him. Those people who do turn out to be angry shouldn't matter in this and shouldn't effect the BAM. x
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MsTrinity333 on November 03, 2010, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Quote
TouchedByAnAngel -
I recently saw a Gregg Braden video where he talked about how powerful our thoughts are. When people are focusing on the same outcome, good or bad, they have the power to make it reality. Our society is fed negativity and fear non-stop by the media and people feel hopeless. Michael is teaching unity with love for all. Mr. Braden said that the square root of 1% of the world's population, or about 8,000 people, is all that is needed to change the world (paradigm shift). I truly believe that Michael is the catalyst for this paradigm shift!

Anyway, I'm rattling on because it has been awhile since I've posted here. I'm mostly on Twitter now, and it is nice to have the freedom to say more than 140 characters LOL. Back to V For Vendetta. I mentioned to a twitter friend last night that I was excited about this last redirect mainly because of the "Remember remember the 5th of November" line. Later she tweeted this and it blew me away!

theblu1 ~ We´re part of that dream - each of us. The countdown`s on. On Nov 5th, there´re 777 days left til 12/21/2012 !!

This can NOT be a coincidence!  My biggest wish, if I could have just 1 come true, would be for Michael to take over the media, like V did, and reveal his hoax/adventure to the world.

Once again, Thank You Michael! I have never felt so loved, or felt such love for another! You're just Another Part Of Me!
Wonderful post! We've discussed before about Gideon's 300, similar to this 1%= 8,000, could be enough with strong leadership in the flesh--Michael! :mrgreen:  November 5 is not long to wait, and is some powerful significance--777 to Mayan calendar end :shock:  :o  :shock:  Ditto on the love part. :oops:  :D He can take over more than just the media, remember he thinks--planets. Back said it's not a come-back but a take-over. Remember when the fan comes into the van and asks Michael if she could have a hug, he says, "I can give you more that than (sheepishly/shyly)!! Michael is all about MORE :D than we can imagine or hope for!

DITTO
Wonderful post TouchedByAnAngel
Wow...777 days left til 12-21-2012  Thanks for pointing that out.  I've been thinking about that movie lately & looking up The Gunpowder Plot and Guy Fawkes. Then I remembered something interesting... MJ's painting called The Book (?)  In the background Michael is sitting for a painting within this painting.  Somewhere there close by is a Mask laying on a table or something face up.  Strangely enough it looks very similar to V's mask... Coincidence?
Then we have the PAN satellite...Hmmmmm   ;)
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 03, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.

Hmmm, I think that's exactly what LSW WANTS you to think, make of that what you want...

I don't know if that is what LSW wants us to think. That's possible but I don't prejudge anyone. It's just his videos are so creative and a piece of art. He/she used film grammer so perfectly. So I'll be keeping an eye on LSW. Enjoying to watch his videos.

I am not prejudice, but I have had a few words with this LSW person and he is VERY unpolite to say it politely... Some are using their talent with words and video skills to make others think they are someone they are not. His videos let all my alarm bells ring.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 03, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.

Hmmm, I think that's exactly what LSW WANTS you to think, make of that what you want...

I don't know if that is what LSW wants us to think. That's possible but I don't prejudge anyone. It's just his videos are so creative and a piece of art. He/she used film grammer so perfectly. So I'll be keeping an eye on LSW. Enjoying to watch his videos.

I am not prejudice, but I have had a few words with this LSW person and he is VERY unpolite to say it politely... Some are using their talent with words and video skills to make others think they are someone they are not. His videos let all my alarm bells ring.

Who is LSW? :? :oops:
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: lilwendy on November 03, 2010, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I've always found many similarities btw TS and LSW. LSW is like the video version of TS. His work is very creative like TS'. They both use the Bible to express the situation. I wonder if TS and LSW are related or the same person.

Hmmm, I think that's exactly what LSW WANTS you to think, make of that what you want...

I don't know if that is what LSW wants us to think. That's possible but I don't prejudge anyone. It's just his videos are so creative and a piece of art. He/she used film grammer so perfectly. So I'll be keeping an eye on LSW. Enjoying to watch his videos.

I am not prejudice, but I have had a few words with this LSW person and he is VERY unpolite to say it politely... Some are using their talent with words and video skills to make others think they are someone they are not. His videos let all my alarm bells ring.

Who is LSW? :? :oops:

Last Seven Words
http://www.youtube.com/lastsevenwords
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 03, 2010, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: "lilwendy"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"

Who is LSW? :? :oops:

Last Seven Words
http://www.youtube.com/lastsevenwords

Ohhh, okay. I've heard of him/her before :? , but I never thought much of them. Thank you lilwendy.
Title: Re: TIAI 11/1
Post by: MJonmind on November 04, 2010, 01:49:45 PM
I'm just going with my gut emotions, but I don't get vibes with LSW, like I did right from the start with TIAI and TS, who has remained consistently respectful, consistently exuding an aura of MJness in all aspects.
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