Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => References & Similarities => Topic started by: mjkate on October 13, 2010, 12:53:36 PM
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:shock:
In you tube: 1975 Dinah Shore Show- J5 interview part2.
At the beginning of part 2 Dinah says the date Aug 23 1969, and then says that the J5 performed at the Miss America pagent. Then she asked Michael how old he was then and he said he was 9. I believe this interview was when he was 15 (if he is 9 in 1969) so he is perfectly capable of knowing how old he would be in 1969.
Please see the whole interview (it's in the video section) I cannot believe that he so talented with the artwork! and he can dance and he can sing! I know one part is posted but don't know about them all.
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Motown wanted that Michael lied about his age. ;)
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So Michael Joe Jackson was born on january 1960??? i can´t watch the video but if this is true then Souza theory about the age is true and we have proof that our MJ didn´t die on june 25th!!! :)
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So Michael Joe Jackson was born on january 1960??? i can´t watch the video but if this is true then Souza theory about the age is true and we have proof that our MJ didn´t die on june 25th!!! :)
That's what I was thinking too.
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No. Michael Joe Jackson was born in august 1958. :roll:
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No. Michael Joe Jackson was born in august 1958. :roll:
NO, was Michael Joseph Jackson August 29 1958 / june 25 2009 that leaves the pepsi accident in the midle (literally) of his life ;)
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Oh. I understand. :D
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Uh....???
Hm.
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Well that is interesting. Either he lied about being 9 (in favor of Motown, and was really 10 that year) or his b-day really is in 1960! :!:
But then the theory of him being born in late January doesn't seem astrologically correct, IMO. :?: :?: :?
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so are we meaning that michael joe jackson have a twin who died the 25th of june 2009 called michael joseph jackson? wow!!!
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[youtube:o0t93t86]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHHg_W6vU7Q[/youtube:o0t93t86]
@1:20, in the following video, Michael explains how he lied about his age and said he was 10 when he was actually 11.
[youtube:o0t93t86]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAzarSbfPEk[/youtube:o0t93t86]
The date Dianh Shore brings up is August 23, 1969. Michael was born August 29, 1958. That means he would have been 10 and not 9 on the date mentioned. IMO this is just doing as he had been directed to do because the lie had already been told.
In these type of "interviews", the guests and their managers already know what questions are going to be asked. It is scripted and not impromptu as the show tries to suggest (though sometimes guests do get blindsided now a days). It is very likely that Michael had been "told" what to say when this question was asked as well as all the other questions posed to them all.
Also, I am finding references to this interview having been conducted on June 16, 1976 on several different sites. So what is that all about? :lol:
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Uh....???
Hm.
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Well that is interesting. Either he lied about being 9 (in favor of Motown, and was really 10 that year) or his b-day really is in 1960! :!:
But then the theory of him being born in late January doesn't seem astrologically correct, IMO. :?: :?: :?
He lied. Motown did it for promotional purposes. I also believe his real birthday to be Aug 29, 1958. The Pepsi accident being exactly 1/2 way between birth and death (I believe to the day, right?) has been a fact that I've been clinging to these past few months...please don't ruin it for me :)
Just joking...but that coincidence is too hard to ignore unless it's just fated. Which, I guess, could happen as there is no such thing as coincidence with God.
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Uh....???
Hm.
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Well that is interesting. Either he lied about being 9 (in favor of Motown, and was really 10 that year) or his b-day really is in 1960! :!:
But then the theory of him being born in late January doesn't seem astrologically correct, IMO. :?: :?: :?
He lied. Motown did it for promotional purposes. I also believe his real birthday to be Aug 29, 1958. The Pepsi accident being exactly 1/2 way between birth and death (I believe to the day, right?) has been a fact that I've been clinging to these past few months...please don't ruin it for me :)
Just joking...but that coincidence is too hard to ignore unless it's just fated. Which, I guess, could happen as there is no such thing as coincidence with God.
I know, right? His late August b-day seems more astrologically correct. Hm, I hadn't thought of the Pepsi incident being 1/2 between his birth and death. =] :idea:
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Well he was still with Motown during this interview so I think he is just doing what he's been told to do since 1969...9 years old is cuter than 11 :?
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He was told to lie about his age when he and his brothers signed with motown.
Remmber back then stars was told to like about their ages and even about names.
Maybe some of you do not know this because you are too young.
Nothing strange about that is the way the business was ran and sometime still is.
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Yeah I totally agree ...Michael should say he was nine ... ;)
but of course he's real B-day is 29th of august 1958 ...
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I wouldn`t be so sure.
More here viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021&start=0)
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Maybe he will not lied in the interview, remember he was a child, perhaps after they were set in error sought to correct, by the general children do not lie when asked his age, and if they say they have more.
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Uh....???
Hm.
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Well that is interesting. Either he lied about being 9 (in favor of Motown, and was really 10 that year) or his b-day really is in 1960! :!:
But then the theory of him being born in late January doesn't seem astrologically correct, IMO. :?: :?: :?
I disagree, I think him being aquarius fits very well.
I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Also, it's harder for kids to lie about their age, because as we all know; kids are far more honest because they answer directly without overthinking things - so to me it the 'lie about your age a year and a few months', doesn't make sense at all. All we have heard about his birthday being 8/29 was AFTER pepsi, around '87 - '88 when he left the JW's. Before that he didn't even celebrate his B-day. The thing about lying about his age was first mentioned (as far as I am concerned) in the movie 'An American Dream' in the early '90s. This hoax has been planned in the 80s, his new middle name and B-day have been introduced back then as well. They had to throw stuff in about his age back in the Motown days, so people would actually beLIEve he was born in 1958, yet they missed the fact that Katherine gets pregnant from him in 1959...
To me, him being born on 1/28/1960 makes way more sense than 8/29/1958... But of course you can try to convince me otherwise...
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Uh....???
Hm.
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Well that is interesting. Either he lied about being 9 (in favor of Motown, and was really 10 that year) or his b-day really is in 1960! :!:
But then the theory of him being born in late January doesn't seem astrologically correct, IMO. :?: :?: :?
I disagree, I think him being aquarius fits very well.
I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Also, it's harder for kids to lie about their age, because as we all know; kids are far more honest because they answer directly without overthinking things - so to me it the 'lie about your age a year and a few months', doesn't make sense at all. All we have heard about his birthday being 8/29 was AFTER pepsi, around '87 - '88 when he left the JW's. Before that he didn't even celebrate his B-day. The thing about lying about his age was first mentioned (as far as I am concerned) in the movie 'An American Dream' in the early '90s. This hoax has been planned in the 80s, his new middle name and B-day have been introduced back then as well. They had to throw stuff in about his age back in the Motown days, so people would actually beLIEve he was born in 1958, yet they missed the fact that Katherine gets pregnant from him in 1959...
To me, him being born on 1/28/1960 makes way more sense than 8/29/1958... But of course you can try to convince me otherwise...
Ah, it has recently been brought to my attention that the Pepsi incident had happened in the middle of his life. Someone mentioned it in the other thread. I was aware he didn't celebrate b-days until he left the JWs but did not know his b-day was mentioned after the Pepsi incident (Lolz I was born in '87 xD). It does make sense that his middle name is really Joe and that on the death certificate and in other paperwork he used "Joseph" instead. Also heard that Latoya confirmed his middle name, so I believe that.
I saw the other thread about his age where you posted the internet people search site screenshot with the birthday listed there and the name. I was wondering did you also peg a possible time when he could have been born instead of 7:33 PM with this theory?
I was wondering what could be the possible time cuz I wanted to put that info in the form, but I'd said it seemed astrologically off because I've plugged in MJ's August birthday (with the time of birth) into an online form on an astrology site and his reading said He had Pisces in Moon, Pisces Ascendant(Rising) which corresponds more to his personality, along with his Virgo Sun personality. (I even looked up already-done charts on other sites).
I compared that to the birthday from the list you posted on the other thread, without the birthtime (rising sign info) and came up with Moon in Aquarius which is similar to his personality but not as much as the Pisces placement and then the Aquarius Sun not as similar as the Virgo Sun placement. The Virgo Sun/Pisces Moon and Rising seems more of a match.
But then again I could be looking at this from a fan's perspective; :oops: it's true that we, as fans and appreciators don't know him personally cuz we have never lived with him; we only know what we have read and watched from books, memoirs and videos and I'm going on that basis. I do want to keep an open mind about your theory, tho. :)
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@Souza
I forgot to ask, is it possible for his birth time to be 7: 33 PM as well?
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I disagree, I think him being aquarius fits very well.
I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Also, it's harder for kids to lie about their age, because as we all know; kids are far more honest because they answer directly without overthinking things - so to me it the 'lie about your age a year and a few months', doesn't make sense at all. All we have heard about his birthday being 8/29 was AFTER pepsi, around '87 - '88 when he left the JW's. Before that he didn't even celebrate his B-day. The thing about lying about his age was first mentioned (as far as I am concerned) in the movie 'An American Dream' in the early '90s. This hoax has been planned in the 80s, his new middle name and B-day have been introduced back then as well. They had to throw stuff in about his age back in the Motown days, so people would actually beLIEve he was born in 1958, yet they missed the fact that Katherine gets pregnant from him in 1959...
To me, him being born on 1/28/1960 makes way more sense than 8/29/1958... But of course you can try to convince me otherwise...
Very interesting. I read pieces of this in different posts that you and others posted but seeing it all together does make one compelling argument.
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I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Oh yeah, I meant to ask about that; I didn't know that dude from Gilda's b-day is January 28, 1960? For realz? :o :shock:
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@Souza
I forgot to ask, is it possible for his birth time to be 7: 33 PM as well?
Taj tweeted that 7:33 pm was his B-time. He said that Katherine got that from the BC, but who says that is true?? :lol: As far as I have seen, most fans thought it was 12:18 pm (if I recall that rightly), so maybe 7:33 pm is the real time. So I have no clue...
And you said it well, you are looking from a fan's perspective. Only those close to him really know him. As I watched all this the past year, I think aquarius is a fine fit.
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I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Oh yeah, I meant to ask about that; I didn't know that dude from Gilda's b-day is January 28, 1960? For realz? :o :shock:
No, 8/29/1899. That is why he might have changed his known B-day to 8/29, because that guy hoaxed his death as well.
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I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Oh yeah, I meant to ask about that; I didn't know that dude from Gilda's b-day is January 28, 1960? For realz? :o :shock:
No the guy in the films bday is August 29th, which makes a lot of sense if Mike were to choose his own birthday to tell everyone...because the guy in the film fakes his death ;) And having a birthday of August 29th, 1958 puts the pepsi accident EXACTLY in the middle of his life. Sounds planned to me...
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I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Oh yeah, I meant to ask about that; I didn't know that dude from Gilda's b-day is January 28, 1960? For realz? :o :shock:
No the guy in the films bday is August 29th, which makes a lot of sense if Mike were to choose his own birthday to tell everyone...because the guy in the film fakes his death ;) And having a birthday of August 29th, 1958 puts the pepsi accident EXACTLY in the middle of his life. Sounds planned to me...
Yup... We could of course try to calculate the chance that this is all coincidence... :lol:
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I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone have an idea when the birth date of Aug 29/58 was made public? If Michael had picked that date for himself to fit in with far in the future plans, I'm wondering when he chose that date and when everyone else found out.
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I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone have an idea when the birth date of Aug 29/58 was made public? If Michael had picked that date for himself to fit in with far in the future plans, I'm wondering when he chose that date and when everyone else found out.
I have searched for it, and the earliest mention I found was his own book; Moonwalk. So 1987-1988. I have not seen anything before that with his B-day. I don't think anyone ever asked, because they knew he was a JW.
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Souza, you're right. Aquarius fits him perfectly actually.
Aquarius
The Water Carrier
January 21 to February 19
Traditional
Aquarian Traits
Friendly and humanitarian
Honest and loyal
Original and inventive
Independent and intellectual
On the dark side....
Intractable and contrary
Perverse and unpredictable
Unemotional and detached
Aquarius About Your Sign...
Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.
Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.
They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.
Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.
In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them.
They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.
Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.
Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.
Possible Health Concerns...
As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.
horoscopes
* LIKES Fighting for Causes
* Dreaming and Planning for the Future
* Thinking of the Past
* Good Companions
* Having Fun
* DISLIKES Full of Air Promises
* Excessive Loneliness
* The Ordinary
* Imitations
* Idealistic
Source: http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm (http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm)
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I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone have an idea when the birth date of Aug 29/58 was made public? If Michael had picked that date for himself to fit in with far in the future plans, I'm wondering when he chose that date and when everyone else found out.
I have searched for it, and the earliest mention I found was his own book; Moonwalk. So 1987-1988. I have not seen anything before that with his B-day. I don't think anyone ever asked, because they knew he was a JW.
Interesting. You would think that at least one of the teen or music magazines in the 70's would have mentioned the J5 birthdays but maybe interviewers were told beforehand not to mention birthdays, Christmas or other celebrated days.
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Souza, you're right. Aquarius fits him perfectly actually.
Aquarius
The Water Carrier
January 21 to February 19
Traditional
Aquarian Traits
Friendly and humanitarian
Honest and loyal
Original and inventive
Independent and intellectual
On the dark side....
Intractable and contrary
Perverse and unpredictable
Unemotional and detached
Aquarius About Your Sign...
Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.
Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.
They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.
Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.
In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them.
They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.
Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.
Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.
Possible Health Concerns...
As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.
horoscopes
* LIKES Fighting for Causes
* Dreaming and Planning for the Future
* Thinking of the Past
* Good Companions
* Having Fun
* DISLIKES Full of Air Promises
* Excessive Loneliness
* The Ordinary
* Imitations
* Idealistic
Source: http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm (http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm)
I know, my best friend who I've known for 25 years is Aquarius so I am very familiar with the sign. She fits the profile perfectly and I see many similarities with Mike.
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No, 8/29/1899. That is why he might have changed his known B-day to 8/29, because that guy hoaxed his death as well.
Oh yeah, I meant to ask about that; I didn't know that dude from Gilda's b-day is January 28, 1960? For realz? :o :shock:
No the guy in the films bday is August 29th, which makes a lot of sense if Mike were to choose his own birthday to tell everyone...because the guy in the film fakes his death ;) And having a birthday of August 29th, 1958 puts the pepsi accident EXACTLY in the middle of his life. Sounds planned to me...
No kiddin'? That is one piece of info I must have missed in regards to the GILDA hoax theories xD :o :oops: :oops:
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His numerology also matches perfectly with this date of 1/28/1960.
This reading is based on —
Birth Name: Michael Joe Jackson
Birth Date: 1/28/1960 (January 28, 1960)
Your Inner or Soul's Urge: This is spiritual and emotional expression more than physical. It is your heart-felt desires, your incentive, how you look at life. Here are your areas of personal satisfaction.
Number: 6
You desire responsibility, steadfast love, a harmonious home, domesticity, and maintaining long-standing family traditions. The perfect environment for you has ease, comfort, beauty, music, and harmony.
You empathize with those who, through no fault of their own, are suffering. You are sympathetic to the needs of humanity. If you knew how, you would correct all injustice as a cosmic parent or guardian would. You have a good sense of loyalty and are a natural counselor.
You are artistic, kind, understanding, inclined toward conventionality but broad-minded. When your emotions aren't too involved, you are a fine judge of character.
Your life can be richer if you cultivate firmness and assertiveness to better balance your emotions and sense of justice, and realize that others have their own valid points of view.
Your Personality: This is physical expression more than spiritual or emotional; your outer self, the way you express when meeting others. It may or may not be the real you.
Number: 4
Others tend to see you as loyal, dedicated, dignified, and honest with a desire to perform the work at hand instead of taking a lot of time for fun and pleasure. You seem to be thrifty, prudent, and orderly.
If you focus overly much on work, others tend to see you as someone in a rut and unable to change habits.
Your self-image can suffer if you do not receive compensation or praise, at least recognition, for your labors.
The practical aspects of your personality can be enhanced by wearing tailor-made clothing of straight lines and good material, neat rather than showy.
Your Quiescent Self: Stripping away all outside influences, aspirations, ambitions, "shoulds", and "shouldn'ts" -- this is you when you are alone; just you and your dreams..
Number: 4
Family, society, country, and civilization are better off because of your tireless efforts and meticulous attention to detail. You are the pillar of society. A staunch patriot. Your rewards are accomplishment, duty, Love, and appreciation.
Your thoughts and pleasure are the creation of firm foundations upon which family and society as a whole can prosper.
Click here to chat with someone about your number 4 Quiescent Self.
Your Destiny or Ultimate Goal: This is your desired lifetime accomplishment. It is a key to a useful and happy life, and to feeling fulfillment during your latter days.
Number: 1
Your destiny is leadership. You come to this position through your own actions. Not by aggressive or dominant behavior, but by relying on your own inner strength, self-reliance, and determination. Your originality and your initiative can put you in a place of authority or leadership during your lifetime.
You have a healthy respect for individuality. You are innovative, and are often asked to lead, direct, and manage the affairs of people and organizations. When you have specifically defined and visualized goals, your powers of concentration and focus allow you to achieve them quickly and fully. You are happiest in the role of pioneer, explorer, creator, inventor, leader, director, chief executive, owner of any business, or editor of any periodical publication.
You wish to be left unhampered to carry out your own ideas.
Your Life's Path: Here are clues to what fate has in store for you. It indicates the type of encounters, events, and opportunities you are likely to experience along your physical life path.
Number: 9
Your path is philanthropy, loving service to the peoples of Earth. You are a humanitarian with an innate sense of idealism, tolerance, and compassion, giving up personal ambitions and possessions if the general good demands it. You have an impressive personality and power to influence others. At times you are somewhat naive in your anticipation of the joy you believe is coming.
Your spiritual sensitivity and holistic feelings for humanity encompass a wide range -- compassion, generosity, sympathy, tolerance. You have a vivid imagination.
You easily and joyfully serve your fellow man, tending to place others before yourself and give your Love, sympathy, help, and understanding without stint. You would like to see perfection in marriage, self, and the whole world.
Your opportunities are among emotional, artistic, and inspirational people, in fields that serve broad segments of mankind.
This Year's Path (2010): Here is what you are likely to encounter this year -- your feelings, your predominant perspective, and the type of situations, circumstances, and opportunities you tend to attract during the calendar year.
Number: 5
This is a year of change for you, a year to get out of the rut. Your opportunities are found outside ordinary routine. New opportunities and new conditions are manifesting (some may appear unexpectedly) -- new relationships, new ideas, new contacts, new enterprises, new plans -- more freedom, more variety, more travel -- broader fields of interest and activity.
It is a year of new experiences -- change, growth, fun, freedom. You feel an inner push to go do something, anything, so long as it's a new experience. You notice more opportunities to travel. It is time to take advantage of the prevailing atmosphere of change and variety to learn something new. The year adds new life and color to your undertakings.
The changes can be thrilling and inspiring. Now is the time to take advantage of the enhanced sense of freedom you feel and create new outlets for your genius. It is also a time to let older people and children inspire you.
If you have a business, you may wish to advertise more than usual, possibly presenting your business with a new, even unique, angle.
Next Year's Path. (2011)
Number: 6
This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions.
Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service.
Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do.
It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled.
Click here to chat with someone about your number 6 Next Year's Path.
Last Year's Path. (2009)
Number: 22
This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about.
The year opens the door to a greater understanding of your soul purpose. It presents opportunities to serve on a larger scale.
This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details; no time for careless living. This is your chance, with hard work and specific orientation, to do something big for yourself and for the good of the world. It is the year to put your dreams to practical use.
This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain.
Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. Read the fine print of all transactions.
Source: http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi (http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi)
As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters.
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Souza, you're right. Aquarius fits him perfectly actually.
Aquarius
The Water Carrier
January 21 to February 19
Traditional
Aquarian Traits
Friendly and humanitarian
Honest and loyal
Original and inventive
Independent and intellectual
On the dark side....
Intractable and contrary
Perverse and unpredictable
Unemotional and detached
Aquarius About Your Sign...
Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.
Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.
They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.
Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.
In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them.
They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.
Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.
Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.
Possible Health Concerns...
As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.
horoscopes
* LIKES Fighting for Causes
* Dreaming and Planning for the Future
* Thinking of the Past
* Good Companions
* Having Fun
* DISLIKES Full of Air Promises
* Excessive Loneliness
* The Ordinary
* Imitations
* Idealistic
Source: http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm (http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm)
I know, my best friend who I've known for 25 years is Aquarius so I am very familiar with the sign. She fits the profile perfectly and I see many similarities with Mike.
Ah I see. You seem to know a lot about Aquarians based on your friend. Some signs I seem to know better. I need to read up on Aquarius more. XD
BTW, I did plug in the Aquarius b-day with 7:33 pm and got VIRGO ascendant xD
And interesting thing is that if this is MJ's real b-day and the birth time still 7:33 PM then the ascendant would be his mask to the world. Rising signs/ascendants are what a person shows to the public. :)
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His numerology also matches perfectly with this date of 1/28/1960.
This reading is based on —
Birth Name: Michael Joe Jackson
Birth Date: 1/28/1960 (January 28, 1960)
Your Inner or Soul's Urge: This is spiritual and emotional expression more than physical. It is your heart-felt desires, your incentive, how you look at life. Here are your areas of personal satisfaction.
Number: 6
You desire responsibility, steadfast love, a harmonious home, domesticity, and maintaining long-standing family traditions. The perfect environment for you has ease, comfort, beauty, music, and harmony.
You empathize with those who, through no fault of their own, are suffering. You are sympathetic to the needs of humanity. If you knew how, you would correct all injustice as a cosmic parent or guardian would. You have a good sense of loyalty and are a natural counselor.
You are artistic, kind, understanding, inclined toward conventionality but broad-minded. When your emotions aren't too involved, you are a fine judge of character.
Your life can be richer if you cultivate firmness and assertiveness to better balance your emotions and sense of justice, and realize that others have their own valid points of view.
Your Personality: This is physical expression more than spiritual or emotional; your outer self, the way you express when meeting others. It may or may not be the real you.
Number: 4
Others tend to see you as loyal, dedicated, dignified, and honest with a desire to perform the work at hand instead of taking a lot of time for fun and pleasure. You seem to be thrifty, prudent, and orderly.
If you focus overly much on work, others tend to see you as someone in a rut and unable to change habits.
Your self-image can suffer if you do not receive compensation or praise, at least recognition, for your labors.
The practical aspects of your personality can be enhanced by wearing tailor-made clothing of straight lines and good material, neat rather than showy.
Your Quiescent Self: Stripping away all outside influences, aspirations, ambitions, "shoulds", and "shouldn'ts" -- this is you when you are alone; just you and your dreams..
Number: 4
Family, society, country, and civilization are better off because of your tireless efforts and meticulous attention to detail. You are the pillar of society. A staunch patriot. Your rewards are accomplishment, duty, Love, and appreciation.
Your thoughts and pleasure are the creation of firm foundations upon which family and society as a whole can prosper.
Click here to chat with someone about your number 4 Quiescent Self.
Your Destiny or Ultimate Goal: This is your desired lifetime accomplishment. It is a key to a useful and happy life, and to feeling fulfillment during your latter days.
Number: 1
Your destiny is leadership. You come to this position through your own actions. Not by aggressive or dominant behavior, but by relying on your own inner strength, self-reliance, and determination. Your originality and your initiative can put you in a place of authority or leadership during your lifetime.
You have a healthy respect for individuality. You are innovative, and are often asked to lead, direct, and manage the affairs of people and organizations. When you have specifically defined and visualized goals, your powers of concentration and focus allow you to achieve them quickly and fully. You are happiest in the role of pioneer, explorer, creator, inventor, leader, director, chief executive, owner of any business, or editor of any periodical publication.
You wish to be left unhampered to carry out your own ideas.
Your Life's Path: Here are clues to what fate has in store for you. It indicates the type of encounters, events, and opportunities you are likely to experience along your physical life path.
Number: 9
Your path is philanthropy, loving service to the peoples of Earth. You are a humanitarian with an innate sense of idealism, tolerance, and compassion, giving up personal ambitions and possessions if the general good demands it. You have an impressive personality and power to influence others. At times you are somewhat naive in your anticipation of the joy you believe is coming.
Your spiritual sensitivity and holistic feelings for humanity encompass a wide range -- compassion, generosity, sympathy, tolerance. You have a vivid imagination.
You easily and joyfully serve your fellow man, tending to place others before yourself and give your Love, sympathy, help, and understanding without stint. You would like to see perfection in marriage, self, and the whole world.
Your opportunities are among emotional, artistic, and inspirational people, in fields that serve broad segments of mankind.
This Year's Path (2010): Here is what you are likely to encounter this year -- your feelings, your predominant perspective, and the type of situations, circumstances, and opportunities you tend to attract during the calendar year.
Number: 5
This is a year of change for you, a year to get out of the rut. Your opportunities are found outside ordinary routine. New opportunities and new conditions are manifesting (some may appear unexpectedly) -- new relationships, new ideas, new contacts, new enterprises, new plans -- more freedom, more variety, more travel -- broader fields of interest and activity.
It is a year of new experiences -- change, growth, fun, freedom. You feel an inner push to go do something, anything, so long as it's a new experience. You notice more opportunities to travel. It is time to take advantage of the prevailing atmosphere of change and variety to learn something new. The year adds new life and color to your undertakings.
The changes can be thrilling and inspiring. Now is the time to take advantage of the enhanced sense of freedom you feel and create new outlets for your genius. It is also a time to let older people and children inspire you.
If you have a business, you may wish to advertise more than usual, possibly presenting your business with a new, even unique, angle.
Next Year's Path. (2011)
Number: 6
This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions.
Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service.
Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do.
It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled.
Click here to chat with someone about your number 6 Next Year's Path.
Last Year's Path. (2009)
Number: 22
This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about.
The year opens the door to a greater understanding of your soul purpose. It presents opportunities to serve on a larger scale.
This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details; no time for careless living. This is your chance, with hard work and specific orientation, to do something big for yourself and for the good of the world. It is the year to put your dreams to practical use.
This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain.
Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. Read the fine print of all transactions.
Source: http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi (http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi)
As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters.
Oh, what a coinkidoink!! :shock: :lol:
And also, the birth date 1/28/1960 makes 9, 8/29/1958 makes 6...
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BTW, I did plug in the Aquarius b-day with 7:33 pm and got VIRGO ascendant xD
And interesting thing is that if this is MJ's real b-day and the birth time still 7:33 PM then the ascendant would be his mask to the world. Rising signs/ascendants are what a person shows to the public. :)
Now that I didn't know! Another coincidence... 8-)
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His numerology also matches perfectly with this date of 1/28/1960.
This reading is based on —
Birth Name: Michael Joe Jackson
Birth Date: 1/28/1960 (January 28, 1960)
Your Inner or Soul's Urge: This is spiritual and emotional expression more than physical. It is your heart-felt desires, your incentive, how you look at life. Here are your areas of personal satisfaction.
Number: 6
You desire responsibility, steadfast love, a harmonious home, domesticity, and maintaining long-standing family traditions. The perfect environment for you has ease, comfort, beauty, music, and harmony.
You empathize with those who, through no fault of their own, are suffering. You are sympathetic to the needs of humanity. If you knew how, you would correct all injustice as a cosmic parent or guardian would. You have a good sense of loyalty and are a natural counselor.
You are artistic, kind, understanding, inclined toward conventionality but broad-minded. When your emotions aren't too involved, you are a fine judge of character.
Your life can be richer if you cultivate firmness and assertiveness to better balance your emotions and sense of justice, and realize that others have their own valid points of view.
Your Personality: This is physical expression more than spiritual or emotional; your outer self, the way you express when meeting others. It may or may not be the real you.
Number: 4
Others tend to see you as loyal, dedicated, dignified, and honest with a desire to perform the work at hand instead of taking a lot of time for fun and pleasure. You seem to be thrifty, prudent, and orderly.
If you focus overly much on work, others tend to see you as someone in a rut and unable to change habits.
Your self-image can suffer if you do not receive compensation or praise, at least recognition, for your labors.
The practical aspects of your personality can be enhanced by wearing tailor-made clothing of straight lines and good material, neat rather than showy.
Your Quiescent Self: Stripping away all outside influences, aspirations, ambitions, "shoulds", and "shouldn'ts" -- this is you when you are alone; just you and your dreams..
Number: 4
Family, society, country, and civilization are better off because of your tireless efforts and meticulous attention to detail. You are the pillar of society. A staunch patriot. Your rewards are accomplishment, duty, Love, and appreciation.
Your thoughts and pleasure are the creation of firm foundations upon which family and society as a whole can prosper.
Click here to chat with someone about your number 4 Quiescent Self.
Your Destiny or Ultimate Goal: This is your desired lifetime accomplishment. It is a key to a useful and happy life, and to feeling fulfillment during your latter days.
Number: 1
Your destiny is leadership. You come to this position through your own actions. Not by aggressive or dominant behavior, but by relying on your own inner strength, self-reliance, and determination. Your originality and your initiative can put you in a place of authority or leadership during your lifetime.
You have a healthy respect for individuality. You are innovative, and are often asked to lead, direct, and manage the affairs of people and organizations. When you have specifically defined and visualized goals, your powers of concentration and focus allow you to achieve them quickly and fully. You are happiest in the role of pioneer, explorer, creator, inventor, leader, director, chief executive, owner of any business, or editor of any periodical publication.
You wish to be left unhampered to carry out your own ideas.
Your Life's Path: Here are clues to what fate has in store for you. It indicates the type of encounters, events, and opportunities you are likely to experience along your physical life path.
Number: 9
Your path is philanthropy, loving service to the peoples of Earth. You are a humanitarian with an innate sense of idealism, tolerance, and compassion, giving up personal ambitions and possessions if the general good demands it. You have an impressive personality and power to influence others. At times you are somewhat naive in your anticipation of the joy you believe is coming.
Your spiritual sensitivity and holistic feelings for humanity encompass a wide range -- compassion, generosity, sympathy, tolerance. You have a vivid imagination.
You easily and joyfully serve your fellow man, tending to place others before yourself and give your Love, sympathy, help, and understanding without stint. You would like to see perfection in marriage, self, and the whole world.
Your opportunities are among emotional, artistic, and inspirational people, in fields that serve broad segments of mankind.
This Year's Path (2010): Here is what you are likely to encounter this year -- your feelings, your predominant perspective, and the type of situations, circumstances, and opportunities you tend to attract during the calendar year.
Number: 5
This is a year of change for you, a year to get out of the rut. Your opportunities are found outside ordinary routine. New opportunities and new conditions are manifesting (some may appear unexpectedly) -- new relationships, new ideas, new contacts, new enterprises, new plans -- more freedom, more variety, more travel -- broader fields of interest and activity.
It is a year of new experiences -- change, growth, fun, freedom. You feel an inner push to go do something, anything, so long as it's a new experience. You notice more opportunities to travel. It is time to take advantage of the prevailing atmosphere of change and variety to learn something new. The year adds new life and color to your undertakings.
The changes can be thrilling and inspiring. Now is the time to take advantage of the enhanced sense of freedom you feel and create new outlets for your genius. It is also a time to let older people and children inspire you.
If you have a business, you may wish to advertise more than usual, possibly presenting your business with a new, even unique, angle.
Next Year's Path. (2011)
Number: 6
This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions.
Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service.
Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do.
It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled.
Click here to chat with someone about your number 6 Next Year's Path.
Last Year's Path. (2009)
Number: 22
This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about.
The year opens the door to a greater understanding of your soul purpose. It presents opportunities to serve on a larger scale.
This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details; no time for careless living. This is your chance, with hard work and specific orientation, to do something big for yourself and for the good of the world. It is the year to put your dreams to practical use.
This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain.
Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. Read the fine print of all transactions.
Source: http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi (http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi)
As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters.
Oh, what a coinkidoink!! :shock: :lol:
And also, the birth date 1/28/1960 makes 9, 8/29/1958 makes 6...
And 9s are humanitarians. They have to learn how to let their bad childhoods go (if they had one. 9s are leaders. I added this birthday up the other day. xD
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BTW, I did plug in the Aquarius b-day with 7:33 pm and got VIRGO ascendant xD
And interesting thing is that if this is MJ's real b-day and the birth time still 7:33 PM then the ascendant would be his mask to the world. Rising signs/ascendants are what a person shows to the public. :)
Now that I didn't know! Another coincidence... 8-)
Yup. Virgo Ascendant's like Virgo Sun xD
Aquarius ascendant Virgo
Ascendant in Virgo
People with Virgo rising are often a little understated in their personal mannerisms and appearance, although a lot depends on the position of Mercury (the ruling planet of Virgo) in the chart. Generally, there is an intelligent and reserved aura about Virgo rising individuals that is unmistakable. These are actually somewhat shy people who need time to analyze things around them before they warm up to both situations and people. This quality can be received exactly as that, or it can be received as a rather stand-offish, cool, and even critical manner (depending on the audience). One of the biggest personality traits of this position is body-awareness. People with Virgo ascendants are sensitive to any discomfort or other signals their body gives them. Many are especially interested and concerned with physical health, and some are attracted to mind-body awareness exercises such as yoga. Virgo rising people are often rather particular about food. Although some have good appetites, there can be an unmistakable pickiness about what they put in and on their bodies. Virgo ascendant natives have a tendency to worry a lot, especially when confronted with new situations. They notice the tiniest details that others overlook.
Many people with this position have a tendency to attract (or be attracted to) people who need help. Their relationships may be confusing as a result. Despite the Virgo rising tendency to appear rather collected and professional, relationships can sometimes be messy simply because these natives don't always see their partners and partnerships clearly. There's a quiet charm to many Virgo rising people. Once they have the chance to warm up to new people and situations, you'll find they have a lot to offer. They'll help you out of a jam, go out on a limb for you, and surprise you with a natural modesty under a somewhat critical and standoffish manner.
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LOL, I just got this tweet:
@ZodiacFacts
#ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
5 minutes ago via web
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LOL, I just got this tweet:
@ZodiacFacts
#ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
5 minutes ago via web
Are you an Aquarius too? :D
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LOL, I just got this tweet:
@ZodiacFacts
#ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
5 minutes ago via web
Are you an Aquarius too? :D
Nope, I'm a Leo with ascendant Sagittarius and my birth date reduces to 11, or 2. So what's my profile?
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This interview is from 1972 and the interviewer says Michael is 12...And he looks 12 to me, not 14. I makes a lot of sense that when he was young, he was actually the age he said he was. He was born naturally talented so it was inherent from a very young age. People later on accepted that Michael was born in 1958 because it made "sense" to them that he wasn't really as young as he claimed (because who is that talented at such a young age? they'd think)...when in actuality he was that young!
[youtube:2e9c3rv3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mkDbX888rQ[/youtube:2e9c3rv3]
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LOL, I just got this tweet:
@ZodiacFacts
#ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
5 minutes ago via web
Are you an Aquarius too? :D[/quote]
Nope, I'm a Leo with ascendant Sagittarius and my birth date reduces to 11, or 2. So what's my profile?[/quote]
Leo with Ascendant Sag-
LEO
(The Sun is in Leo from approximately July 21 to August 20, depending on the year).
There's an unmistakably regal air to Solar Leos. These are dignified—even noble—folk. Leos have a reputation for being conceited, but think again. Leos do feel important, but this generally takes the form of wanting to change the world in some way—to make the world a better place. They are generally motivated by affection for people, and often have big dreams and plans to make people happy.
Generally, Leos are hard-working. After all, they are attracted to the good things in life, and they know they have to work to get them. It is sometimes difficult to imagine Leos as go-getters if you happen to catch them in one of their languid moods. These people can sleep in, laze around, and luxuriate for long periods of time. However, when they do get to work, they do it with intensity and determination. In this way, they are not unlike their symbol, the lion.
The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions. Displaying behavior that makes them think you don't appreciate them runs a close second. These happy, jovial people become mighty hurt when others don't see them for their noble intentions.
Loyal, and sometimes rather traditional, Leos are, after all, a fixed sign. They'll hold on to situations and people for a very long time before they give up. There is an unmistakable idealism to Leo's view of the world and the people in it. Often, Leos have a very noble inner code that they answer to. Although on the surface, Leos appear rather confident, they can actually be some of the most humble souls around. They are the first to blame themselves when something goes wrong. Once again, it's the Leonine self-importance at work, and this characteristic works in unexpected ways. Instead of being the conceited, self-absorbed show-offs of reputation, they are usually very self-aware, self-conscious, and, yes, even humble.
Some Famous People with Sun in Leo: Ben Affleck (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Sandra Bullock (Sun and Mercury in Leo), J. C. Chasez of N'Sync, David Duchovny, Jonathon Frakes (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Leo), Whitney Houston (Sun and Venus in Leo), Peter O'Toole (Sun and Moon in Leo), Jennifer Lopez (Sun, Mercury, and Mars in Leo), Madonna (Sun and Venus in Leo), Robert Plant, George Bernard Shaw (Sun and Venus in Leo), Martin Sheen (Sun, Moon, and Mars in Leo), Kevin Spacey (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Christian Slater
Sag Ascendants
The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.
These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.
Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.
One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.
Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.
Wow! You're a Leo with a Sag rising? That's MY rising sign! xD Cool. I also know many Leos in and outside family.
You have a Master Number 11 in your b-day that breaks down to a Life Path 2! =D
Life Path 2s are loving people, peaceful, always friendly. They hate conflict and fighting. Music is soothing to them. :D
People with Master Numbers (11, 22-prior to the number breakdowns or any birthday on the 11th or 22nd) are destined for something great. They are destined to help humanity and inspire others. I can definitely see that where this hoax is concerned. =]
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LOL, I just got this tweet:
@ZodiacFacts
#ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
5 minutes ago via web
Are you an Aquarius too? :D
Nope, I'm a Leo with ascendant Sagittarius and my birth date reduces to 11, or 2. So what's my profile?
Leo with Ascendant Sag-
LEO
(The Sun is in Leo from approximately July 21 to August 20, depending on the year).
There's an unmistakably regal air to Solar Leos. These are dignified—even noble—folk. Leos have a reputation for being conceited, but think again. Leos do feel important, but this generally takes the form of wanting to change the world in some way—to make the world a better place. They are generally motivated by affection for people, and often have big dreams and plans to make people happy.
Generally, Leos are hard-working. After all, they are attracted to the good things in life, and they know they have to work to get them. It is sometimes difficult to imagine Leos as go-getters if you happen to catch them in one of their languid moods. These people can sleep in, laze around, and luxuriate for long periods of time. However, when they do get to work, they do it with intensity and determination. In this way, they are not unlike their symbol, the lion.
The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions. Displaying behavior that makes them think you don't appreciate them runs a close second. These happy, jovial people become mighty hurt when others don't see them for their noble intentions.
Loyal, and sometimes rather traditional, Leos are, after all, a fixed sign. They'll hold on to situations and people for a very long time before they give up. There is an unmistakable idealism to Leo's view of the world and the people in it. Often, Leos have a very noble inner code that they answer to. Although on the surface, Leos appear rather confident, they can actually be some of the most humble souls around. They are the first to blame themselves when something goes wrong. Once again, it's the Leonine self-importance at work, and this characteristic works in unexpected ways. Instead of being the conceited, self-absorbed show-offs of reputation, they are usually very self-aware, self-conscious, and, yes, even humble.
Some Famous People with Sun in Leo: Ben Affleck (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Sandra Bullock (Sun and Mercury in Leo), J. C. Chasez of N'Sync, David Duchovny, Jonathon Frakes (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Leo), Whitney Houston (Sun and Venus in Leo), Peter O'Toole (Sun and Moon in Leo), Jennifer Lopez (Sun, Mercury, and Mars in Leo), Madonna (Sun and Venus in Leo), Robert Plant, George Bernard Shaw (Sun and Venus in Leo), Martin Sheen (Sun, Moon, and Mars in Leo), Kevin Spacey (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Christian Slater
Sag Ascendants
The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.
These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.
Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.
One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.
Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.
Wow! You're a Leo with a Sag rising? That's MY rising sign! xD Cool. I also know many Leos in and outside family.
You have a Master Number 11 in your b-day that breaks down to a Life Path 2! =D
Life Path 2s are loving people, peaceful, always friendly. They hate conflict and fighting. Music is soothing to them. :D
People with Master Numbers (11, 22-prior to the number breakdowns or any birthday on the 11th or 22nd) are destined for something great. They are destined to help humanity and inspire others. I can definitely see that where this hoax is concerned. =]
That's the first time I read something positive about my sign, mostly I just read things like Leo's being unfaithful, selfish and lazy. I can be lazy at times, but overall those three things don't really fit my charachter.
"The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions." That's absolutely true.
Thanks, which site do you get that from?
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This interview is from 1972 and the interviewer says Michael is 12...And he looks 12 to me, not 14. I makes a lot of sense that when he was young, he was actually the age he said he was. He was born naturally talented so it was inherent from a very young age. People later on accepted that Michael was born in 1958 because it made "sense" to them that he wasn't really as young as he claimed (because who is that talented at such a young age? they'd think)...when in actuality he was that young!
[youtube:2hyndy6s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mkDbX888rQ[/youtube:2hyndy6s]
I agree, he looks more like 12 than 14 here. How sweet by the way.
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I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?
lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...
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That's the first time I read something positive about my sign, mostly I just read things like Leo's being unfaithful, selfish and lazy. I can be lazy at times, but overall those three things don't really fit my charachter.
"The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions." That's absolutely true.
Thanks, which site do you get that from?
Really? I got these from http://www.cafeastrology.com (http://www.cafeastrology.com). =D
Another good site is http://alabe.com (http://alabe.com)
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I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?
lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...
Oops, you're spiky... :shock: :lol:
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I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?
lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...
Your rising sign is Sag, too? =D Awesommeee! 3 Sag risings in the HIZ-ouse! *raises the roof*
:D
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html (http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html)
SCORPIO
(The Sun is in Scorpio from approximately October 23 to November 21, depending on the year.)
Scorpios are known for their intensity. They are determined folk that absolutely throw themselves into whatever they do -- but getting them to commit to something is rarely an easy task. In fact, it's better not to even try to "get them" to do anything. Solar Scorpios absolutely have their own mind. And, their primary motivation is unlikely to be prestige (like their Capricorn friends), or even authority (Leos can have that, too)--it's real power. Their power can absolutely be of the "behind the scenes" variety, just as long as they have it.
To others, Scorpios seem to have plenty of willpower. They probably do. Scorpios do know what they want, and they won't go out and grab it at the wrong moment. They simply sit back, watch (quite expertly), and then get it only when the moment is just right. This apparent patience is simply their powerful skills at strategy at work.
Scorpio isn't afraid of getting their hands (their bodies, their minds) dirty. The darker side of life intrigues them, and they're always ready to investigate.
Scorpios simply never give up. They have tremendous staying power. They're not in the slightest intimidated by anybody or anything. Confrontations are not a problem. In fact, talk to any Scorpio about their lives, and you'll probably be in awe at all they've gone through. Trauma seems to follow them wherever they go. When Scorpio learns optimism, instead of expecting the worst, they'll find that they possess amazing regenerative powers -- the power to heal, create, and transform.
Some Famous people with Sun in Scorpio: Ed Asner (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Ascendant in Scorpio), Lauren Bessette (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Bjork (Sun and Moon in Scorpio), Lisa Bonet (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), John Cleese (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Jamie Lee Curtis, Danny DeVito, Leonardo DiCaprio (Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio), Richard Dreyfuss (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Sally Field, Bill Gates, Calista Flockhart, Jodie Foster (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Whoopi Goldberg (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), John Gotti (organized crime boss - Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Harry Hamlin (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Ethan Hawke (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio, Shere Hite (who published the Hite Report on Sexuality - Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio),Rock Hudson, Demi Moore (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Pablo Picasso, Prince Charles, Puff Daddy (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Julia Roberts (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Meg Ryan (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), David Schwimmer (Sun, Moon, and Venus in Scorpio), Nicolette Sheridan, Maria Shriver
The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.
These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.
Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.
One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.
Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.
:D I know some Scorpios as well. =D
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I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?
lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...
Your rising sign is Sag, too? =D Awesommeee! 3 Sag risings in the HIZ-ouse! *raises the roof*
:D
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html (http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html)
SCORPIO
(The Sun is in Scorpio from approximately October 23 to November 21, depending on the year.)
Scorpios are known for their intensity. They are determined folk that absolutely throw themselves into whatever they do -- but getting them to commit to something is rarely an easy task. In fact, it's better not to even try to "get them" to do anything. Solar Scorpios absolutely have their own mind. And, their primary motivation is unlikely to be prestige (like their Capricorn friends), or even authority (Leos can have that, too)--it's real power. Their power can absolutely be of the "behind the scenes" variety, just as long as they have it.
To others, Scorpios seem to have plenty of willpower. They probably do. Scorpios do know what they want, and they won't go out and grab it at the wrong moment. They simply sit back, watch (quite expertly), and then get it only when the moment is just right. This apparent patience is simply their powerful skills at strategy at work.
Scorpio isn't afraid of getting their hands (their bodies, their minds) dirty. The darker side of life intrigues them, and they're always ready to investigate.
Scorpios simply never give up. They have tremendous staying power. They're not in the slightest intimidated by anybody or anything. Confrontations are not a problem. In fact, talk to any Scorpio about their lives, and you'll probably be in awe at all they've gone through. Trauma seems to follow them wherever they go. When Scorpio learns optimism, instead of expecting the worst, they'll find that they possess amazing regenerative powers -- the power to heal, create, and transform.
Some Famous people with Sun in Scorpio: Ed Asner (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Ascendant in Scorpio), Lauren Bessette (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Bjork (Sun and Moon in Scorpio), Lisa Bonet (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), John Cleese (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Jamie Lee Curtis, Danny DeVito, Leonardo DiCaprio (Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio), Richard Dreyfuss (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Sally Field, Bill Gates, Calista Flockhart, Jodie Foster (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Whoopi Goldberg (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), John Gotti (organized crime boss - Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Harry Hamlin (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Ethan Hawke (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio, Shere Hite (who published the Hite Report on Sexuality - Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio),Rock Hudson, Demi Moore (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Pablo Picasso, Prince Charles, Puff Daddy (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Julia Roberts (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Meg Ryan (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), David Schwimmer (Sun, Moon, and Venus in Scorpio), Nicolette Sheridan, Maria Shriver
The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.
These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.
Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.
One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.
Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.
:D I know some Scorpios as well. =D
Wow, that was the most accurate description of my personality that I've ever read! Gave me goosebumps lol :D
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I guess we're getting a little off-topic. 8-)
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I guess we're getting a little off-topic. 8-)
Haha, wouldn't be the first time!
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I guess we're getting a little off-topic. 8-)
Haha, wouldn't be the first time!
Yup. :lol:
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Wow, that Aquarius was such a fit to him it was almost scary.! How do you figure out which sign is "rising"? I'm a Scorpio, too, some of those desricpitions were so similar, but not everything..!
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Wow, that Aquarius was such a fit to him it was almost scary.! How do you figure out which sign is "rising"? I'm a Scorpio, too, some of those desricpitions were so similar, but not everything..!
Rising signs are the signs that align at the time of your birth. To determine, you'd need your birth time. :D So you are a Scorpio as well? :D
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Wow, that Aquarius was such a fit to him it was almost scary.! How do you figure out which sign is "rising"? I'm a Scorpio, too, some of those desricpitions were so similar, but not everything..!
Rising signs are the signs that align at the time of your birth. To determine, you'd need your birth time. :D So you are a Scorpio as well? :D
Ah, I'll have to find that out, then..! Yeah, I'm a Scorpio!
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Wow, that Aquarius was such a fit to him it was almost scary.! How do you figure out which sign is "rising"? I'm a Scorpio, too, some of those desricpitions were so similar, but not everything..!
Rising signs are the signs that align at the time of your birth. To determine, you'd need your birth time. :D So you are a Scorpio as well? :D
Ah, I'll have to find that out, then..! Yeah, I'm a Scorpio!
Here are some good sites: :D
http://www.cafeastrology.com (http://www.cafeastrology.com)
http://www.alabe.com (http://www.alabe.com)
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Wow, that Aquarius was such a fit to him it was almost scary.! How do you figure out which sign is "rising"? I'm a Scorpio, too, some of those desricpitions were so similar, but not everything..!
Rising signs are the signs that align at the time of your birth. To determine, you'd need your birth time. :D So you are a Scorpio as well? :D
Ah, I'll have to find that out, then..! Yeah, I'm a Scorpio!
Here are some good sites: :D
http://www.cafeastrology.com (http://www.cafeastrology.com)
http://www.alabe.com (http://www.alabe.com)
Thanks, girl!
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If MJ was born in 1960, not 1958, can anyone explain why his passports (shown in the Index of this site, as evidence of his middle name being Joe not Joseph) show 29 AUG 58 as his DOB? The first one shown is dated 17 AUG 87.
You have to provide your birth certificate when you apply for your first passport. So, this was either his first passport and he provided a forged BC, because he had already decided in 1987 that he wanted to use 29th Aug 1958, or it was a simple renewal and his DOB actually is 29 Aug 58!
He'd been touring the world since 1972 so this can't have been his first passport - and even if he'd originally been included, as a child, on his father's passport, his DOB would've still been required from his BC and transferred when he applied for his first individual one.
We can't use his passports as evidence of his real middle name being Joe, but disregard what they show as his date of birth!
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If MJ was born in 1960, not 1958, can anyone explain why his passports (shown in the Index of this site, as evidence of his middle name being Joe not Joseph) show 29 AUG 58 as his DOB? The first one shown is dated 17 AUG 87.
You have to provide your birth certificate when you apply for your first passport. So, this was either his first passport and he provided a forged BC, because he had already decided in 1987 that he wanted to use 29th Aug 1958, or it was a simple renewal and his DOB actually is 29 Aug 58!
He'd been touring the world since 1972 so this can't have been his first passport - and even if he'd originally been included, as a child, on his father's passport, his DOB would've still been required from his BC and transferred when he applied for his first individual one.
We can't use his passports as evidence of his real middle name being Joe, but disregard what they show as his date of birth!
That would indeed mean those passports are fake. It wouldn't surprise me.
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"The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions." That's absolutely true.
Sorry for going off topic but I just have to say that is absolutely true. And anyone interested in figuring out their birth charts (which includes all the signs in your chart, ascending, moon, sun, etc.), this site: http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal (http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal) is really good for it and it's free! Also I just found an awesome numerology report site that is also free...same place: http://www.cafeastrology.com/numerology2/index.htm (http://www.cafeastrology.com/numerology2/index.htm) I think most of us probably have common purposes and that is to help others hence why we are all drawn to this adventure.
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Gotta read this! Interesting!!
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If MJ was born in 1960, not 1958, can anyone explain why his passports (shown in the Index of this site, as evidence of his middle name being Joe not Joseph) show 29 AUG 58 as his DOB? The first one shown is dated 17 AUG 87.
You have to provide your birth certificate when you apply for your first passport. So, this was either his first passport and he provided a forged BC, because he had already decided in 1987 that he wanted to use 29th Aug 1958, or it was a simple renewal and his DOB actually is 29 Aug 58!
He'd been touring the world since 1972 so this can't have been his first passport - and even if he'd originally been included, as a child, on his father's passport, his DOB would've still been required from his BC and transferred when he applied for his first individual one.
We can't use his passports as evidence of his real middle name being Joe, but disregard what they show as his date of birth!
You are absolutely right. I highly doubt MJ forged anything particularly his passport. Anyone who did not grow up with Michael (back in the 60's/70's) will not understand what went on in those days as far as how artists were promoted. Motown did ask him to lie about his age. Just because he didn't celebrate birthdays in his earlier years doesn't mean he just picked a birth date and year out of hat later on. I watched them grow up and I never saw anything amiss as far as Michael promoting a different age than he really was back in the day.
I don't think Mike was planning this hoax back in the 80s. He probably thought about disappearing many times from public life, I am sure, but, planning this type of hoax, I doubt. He may be tying in everything that happened to him back then to the hoax. I think what is happening is that we are re-living Michael's life as it was back then and it is now. He didn't speak in interviews much back in his earlier days because he was shy and so therefore people only speculated about him and unfortunately those stigmas that were placed upon him during his hey days in the 80's never really left him. The media just kept reporting nasty lies and crap about him from day one and back then we did not have the internet where people could voice their opinions freely, we had to write to the magazine/newspaper if we wanted to respond to an article and then, only a select one or two comments would be issued. The media again was controlling us. So back in the day, people just believed what was written. That is one reason why there are so many conflicting social and racial issues today.
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I guess Michae himself did not do - or plan - anything back then. He was just a kid who had to function (=perform).
And since he went touring in early 1972 - and before - he had to be at least 12 years old (child labour acts!). I have no problems imagining Motown did this ...
edited just because of typos ("l" misfunction of my keyboard)
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Really? no way...
Aquarius
Aquarian Traits
On the dark side....
Intractable and contrary, "no way, i mean, yes, well, no :evil:"
Perverse and unpredictable, "look there! *kicks on the knee and runs*"
Unemotional and detached, "Oh, a car run you over?", "what things are happening today...a car runs over you, I lost my fav pen....". "sorry, I can´t go to your wedding I need to fix my nails..."
I don´t believe in horoscopes ;)
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Really? no way...
Aquarius
Aquarian Traits
On the dark side....
Intractable and contrary, "no way, i mean, yes, well, no :evil:"
Perverse and unpredictable, "look there! *kicks on the knee and runs*"
Unemotional and detached, "Oh, a car run you over?", "what things are happening today...a car runs over you, I lost my fav pen....". "sorry, I can´t go to your wedding I need to fix my nails..."
I don´t believe in horoscopes ;)
Me neither, not those in tabloid papers telling you what to do every day. But I do believe in certain charachteristics having something to do with the moment of birth. The universe is of great influence to the earth, the plants and the trees and the animals, so it's only logic that it has influence on us humans as well. Look at how loony people can because at a fool moon...
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Okaaayyyy - just realized this turned out to be a zodiak discussion.
What a pity ... :cry:
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Okaaayyyy - just realized this turned out to be a zodiak discussion.
What a pity ... :cry:
Well, if you have more to contribute about the age, please feel welcome to do so. I have explained why I think he was born in 1960, many times actually.
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So did I ;)
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And we might be the only to in here who actually believe he was born in 1960, so in that case I think this thread is dead... :lol:
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And we might be the only to in here who actually believe he was born in 1960
+1 8-)
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:lol:
There is - at least - one other topic
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021&start=0)
"My childhood was stolen - totally, totally taken awy from me ..." Michael repeated so many times, so emotional, almost crying ... anybody remember?
humble me: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021#p241041 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021#p241041)
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+2, and now more after seeing this interview in 1969 where Michael says he is 9 years old children do not lie ,.......... 8-)
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:lol:
There is - at least - one other topic
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021&start=0)
"My childhood was stolen - totally, totally taken awy from me ..." Michael repeated so many times, so emotional, almost crying ... anybody remember?
humble me: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021#p241041 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14021#p241041)
I'll paste this post again:
I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:
Intelius shows us:
Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:
In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.
[youtube:2nbtil3d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:2nbtil3d]
When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).
Then we had this:
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?
It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.
The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)
Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
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So, MJ waited to be 50 to start his second life or?
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Souza et al:
I saw that sheet of the complaint with the DOB unredacted once (don't recall where), and the DOB there was 29/08/1958. It could have been written American-style, 08/29/1958, but that was the date. I could try to track it down if you want...
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OK, I found it. The complaint is available here (as a 3-page PDF file): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson)
Scroll down. It's close to the bottom, under Police and courts.
The DOB listed in the complaint, as you can see, is 08/29/1958. And I believe the other main official documents (MJ's driving license and passport) have the same date. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) For MJ's birthdate to be Jan. 1960 or whatever, it would mean that the date on MANY official documents must be wrong. Now I guess it's up to everyone individually to decide whether they believe that or not...
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The recent Gardner School articles have him attending there in 1969 aged 11. He also said he was 42 during his Oxford speech in March 2001.
Where did the idea of 1960 being a possibility originate?
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+1 (about him born on january 1960) kids and drunk people doesn´t LIE! LOL
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+1 (about him born on january 1960) kids and drunk people doesn´t LIE! LOL
Kids don't lie huh? Well, I can think of 2 straight off that did, because adults told them to.
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+1 (about him born on january 1960) kids and drunk people doesn´t LIE! LOL
Kids don't lie huh? Well, I can think of 2 straight off that did, because adults told them to.
Those were devils in disguise, not kids.
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Maybe there photo proof of MJ being 9 in 1969? somewhere :D
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I've been a "fan" of Michael's since 1969...posters, records, magazines...you name it. From the beginning it's been stated that Michael was born on Aug. 29, 1958. "They" wanted him to say he was 2 years younger, and it was speculated that he was a midget...but, him being under his Mom's thumb (and I'm sure Joe figured he would forget)and not teaching the kids to lie, they gave this date as his birthdate. EVEN back in 1958. Man how I wish I still had all that memorabilia. Even in the movie and American Dream, which was prior to the hoax, it's given as the same date, and..his name stated as with the "Joe".
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Soooo,
January 1960 or August 1958?
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Again, I posted this before, when Souza started the thread about the same subject, now posting it again.
The Jacksons-American Dream movie sequence shows on part 3 at 7.30 min Gary, Indiana 1959 where Katherine and Joe have some chidren, but not Michael yet.
Then in part 4 at 8.15 min. Michael was born. Pay attention on the weather before then where Joe wears jacket working in the field. That does not look like an August. No one wears warm jacket in August, plus there is no greens around. More looks like Autumn to me. So, 1960 could be year Michael was born. I don't think the Jackson's would have not seen the mistake in the movie to get it corrected. So, you judge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X56ypGL ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X56ypGLDwk&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpJsRDn ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpJsRDnQOI&feature=related)
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This reminds me of the newspaper on LMA saying Michael frozen for 50 years, as in after his "death" he is now coming thawed/alive to his true identity, although he's still shrouding himself in many more new mysteries.
[attachment=0:3r5b4dnv]mj frozen.jpg[/attachment:3r5b4dnv] It would be nice if TS could confirm about the Jan.28, 1960 somehow. This would definately help to answer a lot of questions. I like this from the other thread linked above:
~Souza~ » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:28 pm
I disagree, I think him being aquarius fits very well.
I wonder how people can believe how he can lie about being dead, lie about being named Joseph and who knows what else, but there is no way on earth he might have fit his B-day to a date so that a) the Pepsi Accident would be in the exact middle of his life, b) he would have the same B-day as the guy that hoaxed his death in Gilda, c) make it easier to make fake documents and d) making it easier to protect his personal stuff. If everyone thinks he is Michael Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/1958, then no one would bother if they saw a Michael Joe Jackson, born 1/28/1960 somewhere.
Also, it's harder for kids to lie about their age, because as we all know; kids are far more honest because they answer directly without overthinking things - so to me it the 'lie about your age a year and a few months', doesn't make sense at all. All we have heard about his birthday being 8/29 was AFTER pepsi, around '87 - '88 when he left the JW's. Before that he didn't even celebrate his B-day. The thing about lying about his age was first mentioned (as far as I am concerned) in the movie 'An American Dream' in the early '90s. This hoax has been planned in the 80s, his new middle name and B-day have been introduced back then as well. They had to throw stuff in about his age back in the Motown days, so people would actually beLIEve he was born in 1958, yet they missed the fact that Katherine gets pregnant from him in 1959...
To me, him being born on 1/28/1960 makes way more sense than 8/29/1958... But of course you can try to convince me otherwise...
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I've been a "fan" of Michael's since 1969...posters, records, magazines...you name it. From the beginning it's been stated that Michael was born on Aug. 29, 1958. "They" wanted him to say he was 2 years younger, and it was speculated that he was a midget...but, him being under his Mom's thumb (and I'm sure Joe figured he would forget)and not teaching the kids to lie, they gave this date as his birthdate. EVEN back in 1958. Man how I wish I still had all that memorabilia. Even in the movie and American Dream, which was prior to the hoax, it's given as the same date, and..his name stated as with the "Joe".
Completely agree. Michael also addressed this in Moonwalk, where he explained that the record label wanted him to say that he was 2 years younger than he really was, and so he learned at a young age just how important age is in show business. If my memory serves me correctly, the Jackson 5 were signed with Motown in 1968 when Michael was 10, but the label executives thought the group could be even more popular if people thought the lead singer was even younger, thus the decision to let people think Michael was only 8.
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I understand all the explaining but in the original video posted here away back, Michael was older and therefore no need to continue the lie especially when like you said, his birthdate of 1958 was out there. When asked this question he should have said, I was 11. The only time he would need to continue to lie was back in the day and the question was posed to him much later about a performance he had done back in 1969. At the time yes, I could see him lying and saying 9 but much later when everyone knew his bday why would he keep lying. It must have been so engrained in him that even he forgot OR...he really was 9.
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What if he's a Leo (?)(http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mj_mission_lion_1_smaller.jpg)
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What if he's a Leo (?)(http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mj_mission_lion_1_smaller.jpg)
From: Zodiac Signs -- Times, They Aren't a Changin'
viewtopic.php?f=172&t=17302&hilit=religious+symbolism+leo#p295557 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=17302&hilit=religious+symbolism+leo#p295557)
Okay this is weird again. This article on TMZ caught my attention because I posted about the 13th sign, Ophiuchus, in the "Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism" thread.
by Serenitys_Dream » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:41 pm
The Zodiac and Michael Jackson
There are actually 13 signs in the zodiac.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9764)
August 29th...Michael Jackson is actually a Leo.
Leo is represented by the Lion.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Leo.jpg)
The Sphinx
The Sphinx in Egypt is facing it's mirror image in the night sky as it looks directly at the constellation Leo. (Man in the Mirror?)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/SphinxintheMirror.jpg)
The Sphinx was built by Pharaoh Khafre (aka Kafra, Khefren).
Khafre was an Egyptian pharaoh of the Fourth dynasty, who had his capital at Memphis. Khafre built the second largest pyramid at Giza. The Egyptian name of the pyramid was Wer(en)-Khafre which means "Khafre is Great". He is also credited with the building of the Sphinx.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TKZdU-Ie-EI/AAAAAAAAAIA/JSv4aCHpOp8/s640/Khafre+2.jpg)
Michael recreated himself as the statue of Khafre in the HIStory CD Booklet.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9768)
More at the link: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14516&p=242502&hilit=Ophiuchus#p242507
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I've been a "fan" of Michael's since 1969...posters, records, magazines...you name it. From the beginning it's been stated that Michael was born on Aug. 29, 1958. "They" wanted him to say he was 2 years younger, and it was speculated that he was a midget...but, him being under his Mom's thumb (and I'm sure Joe figured he would forget)and not teaching the kids to lie, they gave this date as his birthdate. EVEN back in 1958. Man how I wish I still had all that memorabilia. Even in the movie and American Dream, which was prior to the hoax, it's given as the same date, and..his name stated as with the "Joe".
Completely agree. Michael also addressed this in Moonwalk, where he explained that the record label wanted him to say that he was 2 years younger than he really was, and so he learned at a young age just how important age is in show business. If my memory serves me correctly, the Jackson 5 were signed with Motown in 1968 when Michael was 10, but the label executives thought the group could be even more popular if people thought the lead singer was even younger, thus the decision to let people think Michael was only 8.
I also think he was told to, and trained to lie. Children do and can lie- especially children who have been traumatized ( I work with them every day, so I know. It's amazing what they will tell you because someone in power made them). Also, Michael did not just randomly say his age...it was during shows and interviews. Now what would have been interesting was if somone had asked, what year is your birthday, then. THAT is hard to lie about ( if not rehearsed) as we know our birth years by heart, but would have to calculate back to a fake year). You better believe the puppet masters at Motown trained those kids well. Also, they were trained by Joe before to walk the line. So, I guess, I just do not see the difficulty with believing that Michael was made to lie and delivered as expected. The consummate performer early on- as we know.
The Pepsi timeline, to me means he planned his "death" not his birthday.
Anyway...that's all just my view, and I know as such it is not set in stone. But until we know more, I also do not believe anyone else's opinion is any "setter" than mine. ;) Until Michael himself contradicts it, I'm going with what he told us in Moonwalk for now. There are so many hidden morsels in there, btw, that seemed so innocent, but that I see in a different light now. That's another topic, though.
Btw- interesting with the Leo idea.. Michael being Michael and reading all this, probably knew.
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What if he's a Leo (?)(http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mj_mission_lion_1_smaller.jpg)
From: Zodiac Signs -- Times, They Aren't a Changin'
viewtopic.php?f=172&t=17302&hilit=religious+symbolism+leo#p295557 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=17302&hilit=religious+symbolism+leo#p295557)
Okay this is weird again. This article on TMZ caught my attention because I posted about the 13th sign, Ophiuchus, in the "Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism" thread.
by Serenitys_Dream » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:41 pm
The Zodiac and Michael Jackson
There are actually 13 signs in the zodiac.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9764)
August 29th...Michael Jackson is actually a Leo.
Leo is represented by the Lion.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Leo.jpg)
The Sphinx
The Sphinx in Egypt is facing it's mirror image in the night sky as it looks directly at the constellation Leo. (Man in the Mirror?)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/SphinxintheMirror.jpg)
The Sphinx was built by Pharaoh Khafre (aka Kafra, Khefren).
Khafre was an Egyptian pharaoh of the Fourth dynasty, who had his capital at Memphis. Khafre built the second largest pyramid at Giza. The Egyptian name of the pyramid was Wer(en)-Khafre which means "Khafre is Great". He is also credited with the building of the Sphinx.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TKZdU-Ie-EI/AAAAAAAAAIA/JSv4aCHpOp8/s640/Khafre+2.jpg)
Michael recreated himself as the statue of Khafre in the HIStory CD Booklet.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9768)
More at the link: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14516&p=242502&hilit=Ophiuchus#p242507
Thank you!
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OK, I found it. The complaint is available here (as a 3-page PDF file): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson)
Scroll down. It's close to the bottom, under Police and courts.
The DOB listed in the complaint, as you can see, is 08/29/1958. And I believe the other main official documents (MJ's driving license and passport) have the same date. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) For MJ's birthdate to be Jan. 1960 or whatever, it would mean that the date on MANY official documents must be wrong. Now I guess it's up to everyone individually to decide whether they believe that or not...
Thank you!
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1-2.jpg)
http://www.countyofsb.org/da/documents/CE-FelonyComplaint-12-18mj.pdf
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1993passport_marked.jpg)
From the FBI Files:
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/MJlisence.png)
At about 1:30 in the video Michael talks about being made to lie about his age by Motown.
[youtube:3l9ytmkw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdC8HuyA87E[/youtube:3l9ytmkw]
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He was born in August 29, 1958.
Motown told him to lie about his age and knock two years off.
Whichever ID is going by that movie ....read up on the making of
American Dream they always take liberties with movies and that
one was no exception.
Then as stated Michael admitted the age thing himself.
I can't believe this is even an issue. LOL
Michael would have been 11 here...Barry Gordy made this film at Motown.
Jackson 5 Motown Audition 1968
[youtube:alyqosct]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsR3Wr67BHU[/youtube:alyqosct]
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Oh IMO I think he was a hardcore Virgo with Leo tenancies....his personality certainly exhibited such.
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Motown wanted that Michael lied about his age. ;)
Yeah that´s true,i agree with you Sandy. :)
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Motown wanted that Michael lied about his age. ;)
Yeah that´s true,i agree with you Sandy. :)
Right, to make himself older than he was.
by scorpionchik » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:22 pm
Again, I posted this before, when Souza started the thread about the same subject, now posting it again.
The Jacksons-American Dream movie sequence shows on part 3 at 7.30 min Gary, Indiana 1959 where Katherine and Joe have some chidren, but not Michael yet.
Then in part 4 at 8.15 min. Michael was born. Pay attention on the weather before then where Joe wears jacket working in the field. That does not look like an August. No one wears warm jacket in August, plus there is no greens around. More looks like Autumn to me. So, 1960 could be year Michael was born. I don't think the Jackson's would have not seen the mistake in the movie to get it corrected. So, you judge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X56ypGL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X56ypGL) ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpJsRDn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpJsRDn) ... re=related
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Also refer to
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12399&hilit=business+genius+michael+jackson+business+genius&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12399&hilit=business+genius+michael+jackson+business+genius&start=25)
was disgussed MJ was born in January, 1960, which is possible according to the movie.
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Oh IMO I think he was a hardcore Virgo with Leo tenancies....his personality certainly exhibited such.
I agree with you 100% ...the virgo "perfectionist" and leo "artistry"....together with his pisces moon conjunct pisces ascendent ..." wearing his feelings on his sleeves" ....who else could write the song "Heal the World" :=)
For those interested I have compatibility reports MJ Liz Taylor and MJ Joe Jackson here :
viewtopic.php?f=253&t=14007 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=14007)
Interesting read :=)
much love
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Oh IMO I think he was a hardcore Virgo with Leo tenancies....his personality certainly exhibited such.
I agree with you 100% ...the virgo "perfectionist" and leo "artistry"....together with his pisces moon conjunct pisces ascendent ..." wearing his feelings on his sleeves" ....who else could write the song "Heal the World" :=)
For those interested I have compatibility reports MJ Liz Taylor and MJ Joe Jackson here :
viewtopic.php?f=253&t=14007 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=14007)
Interesting read :=)
much love
Have you heard of the Barnum effect? ;)
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Well since people need their Birth Certificate to obtain a passport and/or license, I am going to continue believing that Michael was born August 29, 1958 until he comes out and says something different. The Jackson movie was just that, a movie, and even documentary movies don't always follow everything to a T. But Government documents do, even for celebrities, and Michael wasn't even the international superstar that he is now when he got his first passport or even license.
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wasn’t is Suanne De Passe who told Michael to drop back one year on his age?
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wasn’t is Suanne De Passe who told Michael to drop back one year on his age?
Yes she was....in the movie. :mrgreen:
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Ok we all know that he was told to lie about his age and he did. But that was when he was little. When he was actually 11 and he was told to say 9. What I am trying to point out, is that in this interview he is much older and there is no need to lie anymore. And when asked at an older age 17 or 18 he was either still lying or he told the truth. Either is fascinating to me. That he would still be being told to lie at 17 is just crazy and if it`s true and he was actually 9 then that`s crazy too.
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In the authorized Visual Documentary of Adrian Grant this cover pic from 1971 is printed without even a comment concerning the age issue. I don't know what to think, but Michael really looks more like a 11-year old boy than a 13-year old boy here.
[attachment=0:2ao4ftaj]michael_jackson-on-the-magazine-cover-of_rollingstone_1971.jpg[/attachment:2ao4ftaj]
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I just bought a book off ebay all about Michael from '84 and it also says Aug. 29, 1958.
Don't you love that magazine cover above!!
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In the authorized Visual Documentary of Adrian Grant this cover pic from 1971 is printed without even a comment concerning the age issue. I don't know what to think, but Michael really looks more like a 11-year old boy than a 13-year old boy here.
[attachment=0:pmq7v3zw]michael_jackson-on-the-magazine-cover-of_rollingstone_1971.jpg[/attachment:pmq7v3zw]
I can easily see how he could have been 13 here, but since the magazine came out on his birthday, the photo would have been taken sometime when he was 12 anyway. It seems to me that Michael had a growth spurt around 14. I personally know a 12 year old boy, who seriously looks like he is about 8! I also know a guy who is over 6 feet tall, but when he was a freshman is high school (ie. 14 years old), he was one of the shortest boys in his class. The tween and early teen years are a time of major physical changes, but no one knows exactly when they will occur during that time period.
Again, Michael was just a kid (and not an international superstar) when he got his first passport, and you need to show your birth certificate to get a passport. There is no way he could have gotten one without it, and there was no reason to produce a fake birth certificate just to get a passport. Why would Joe and Katherine have risked getting in trouble with the law by producing fake documents for their son?
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In the authorized Visual Documentary of Adrian Grant this cover pic from 1971 is printed without even a comment concerning the age issue. I don't know what to think, but Michael really looks more like a 11-year old boy than a 13-year old boy here.
[attachment=0:1r1120up]michael_jackson-on-the-magazine-cover-of_rollingstone_1971.jpg[/attachment:1r1120up]
I can easily see how he could have been 13 here, but since the magazine came out on his birthday, the photo would have been taken sometime when he was 12 anyway. It seems to me that Michael had a growth spurt around 14. I personally know a 12 year old boy, who seriously looks like he is about 8! I also know a guy who is over 6 feet tall, but when he was a freshman is high school (ie. 14 years old), he was one of the shortest boys in his class. The tween and early teen years are a time of major physical changes, but no one knows exactly when they will occur during that time period.
Again, Michael was just a kid (and not an international superstar) when he got his first passport, and you need to show your birth certificate to get a passport. There is no way he could have gotten one without it, and there was no reason to produce a fake birth certificate just to get a passport. Why would Joe and Katherine have risked getting in trouble with the law by producing fake documents for their son?
I understand what you are saying regarding the passport. This argument is a strong one. But then, coulnd't it be that it was necessary to lie about the age for the opposite reason, to make Michael OLDER, not younger, at a certain early point of the career, because of legal restrictions for younger children (employment law, travelling, performing at certain locations and times like in Night clubs)? And that for this reason there was a huge pressure for the family to change the birth date (for getting a passport, perhaps)?
Regarding the appearance of growing boys, you are right, children develop very differently, but 13 year old boys look more like a teen, not this childlike IMO. I am a teacher who was working with that age class for the last three years (aged 10/11 and today 12/13), so that's only my impression. But it's nothing to argue about, because we cannot know, so the visual proof is not significant enough.
I just bought a book off ebay all about Michael from '84 and it also says Aug. 29, 1958.
Don't you love that magazine cover above!!
I think if the date of birth was indeed changed, it was done during the early days of the career, see reasons above.
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Why does anyone WANT Michael to be born at a different date, other than to make it fit with the numerology theory? Maybe it is simply showing us that numerology is NOT the theory to pursue. Maybe he simply LEFT when the time was right...when the pieces simply fell into place.
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Why does anyone WANT Michael to be born at a different date, other than to make it fit with the numerology theory? Maybe it is simply showing us that numerology is NOT the theory to pursue. Maybe he simply LEFT when the time was right...when the pieces simply fell into place.
I agree with you, and I really don't understand why this is even as issue. Michael says his birthdate is August 29, 1958 and his government documents support that. Until Michael claims otherwise, I will continue to assume that he does in fact know his own birthdate. This is the last I am saying in this thread.