Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: mjfjei7777 on October 12, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
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hey everyone
just a reminder tomorrow they start getting those people that are trapped in the mine out.
i hope they make it out all safe and well.
let god be with them and their families
god bless
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The rescue is actually underway right now. God willing all will go well for those brave souls. My thoughts and prayers are with them and their families.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Amen
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
at 11.11pm??Hmmm, what are the ODDS of that :o
hope they'll get them all out safely
Just out of curiosity, i wonder if there is anything else happening in the world today that this could be taking the spotlight off?? Don't mind me, just a wee bit more sceptical these days :D :shock:
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
Yes, truly astounding...watching the 'phoenix' rising ;)
I really hope that the media gives these men their due privacy in the coming days.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
at 11.11pm??Hmmm, what are the ODDS of that :o
hope they'll get them all out safely
Just out of curiosity, i wonder if there is anything else happening in the world today that this could be taking the spotlight off?? Don't mind me, just a wee bit more sceptical these days :D :shock:
good question but this is a truly amazing and spiritual moment.
take care of your loved ones.
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
at 11.11pm??Hmmm, what are the ODDS of that :o
hope they'll get them all out safely
Just out of curiosity, i wonder if there is anything else happening in the world today that this could be taking the spotlight off?? Don't mind me, just a wee bit more sceptical these days :D :shock:
good question but this is a truly amazing and spiritual moment.
take care of your loved ones.
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
Stfu...
33 miners trapped 66 days until the escape tunnel broke through, 2041feet below the surface of the earth. Now the first man surfaces at 11:11??? :shock:
I'm going insane, officially, I must be because that's the craziest set of coincidences I've come across since... well, MJ "died".
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...and on 10/12/2010.
1+1+2+2+1=7
It might be time for me to finally order my straight jacket and join the rest of you.
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
Stfu...
33 miners trapped 66 days until the escape tunnel broke through, 2041feet below the surface of the earth. Now the first man surfaces at 11:11??? :shock:
I'm going insane, officially, I must be because that's the craziest set of coincidences I've come across since... well, MJ "died".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
Stfu...
33 miners trapped 66 days until the escape tunnel broke through, 2041feet below the surface of the earth. Now the first man surfaces at 11:11??? :shock:
I'm going insane, officially, I must be because that's the craziest set of coincidences I've come across since... well, MJ "died".
You're not going insane Bec, not at all. There's a whole lot more to this. Just keep connecting the dots.
The rescue capsule is called "Phoenix", just like the rescue mission in the movie 2010: The Year We Make Contact.
2010: The Year We Make Contact is the sequel of 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's certainly ominous that 2001 is 9 years away from 2010 and 11 years from 2012 - i.e. 9 & 11 - seemingly acknowledging the 9/11 connection and the 2-year difference between 2010 and 2012. (Side note: Those who have watched 2001: A Space Odyssey and it's sequel 2010: The Year We Make Contact for sure remember the role of the black monolith.)
The Feb 27 Chile mega-quake was followed the next day by the closing ceremony of the Vancouver Olympics. The 33 miners rescue started late today (near midnight) and will continue for a couple of days, likely finishing around October 14, the final day (closing ceremony) of the Commonwealth Games in Delhi, India..?
The Feb 27 Chile mega-quake orbitally aligns with October 14.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/oct14.jpg)
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Holy Crap, Mo!! :shock: :?
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Wow! Anything really is possible! :shock:
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That's crazy! Why this particular news event out of a gadzillion to pick from. Who's behind it --the NWO, MJ or God? :o
This came to my mind:
Psalm 40:1-3
I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, [and] established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, [even] praise unto our God: many shall see [it], and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
Stfu...
33 miners trapped 66 days until the escape tunnel broke through, 2041feet below the surface of the earth. Now the first man surfaces at 11:11??? :shock:
I'm going insane, officially, I must be because that's the craziest set of coincidences I've come across since... well, MJ "died".
Trouble is they had been there for 69 days, not 66...
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
Stfu...
33 miners trapped 66 days until the escape tunnel broke through, 2041feet below the surface of the earth. Now the first man surfaces at 11:11??? :shock:
I'm going insane, officially, I must be because that's the craziest set of coincidences I've come across since... well, MJ "died".
Trouble is they had been there for 69 days, not 66...
Read for content;
66 days until the escape tunnel broke through
The tunnel successfully reached the trapped men on Saturday, viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14709 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14709).
Funnily enough they edited the original article (you can see the link now sends you to an updated article released hours after I posted about it here). They no longer state the exact footage nor the trapped for 66 days thing. But the 2041ft. long escape tunnel broke through to where the miners were trapped on the 66th day, make no mistake.
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i stand corrected, sorry.
Love x
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I had my Canadian thanksgiving dinner today ( as my son had to work this weekend) and I must say that as I ate my dinner I was very thankful for these men being rescued and it all going so well.
I cannot say I feel "spiritiual" about it as it is the culmination of many peoples very very hard work.
I am very very happy about it but cannot say I feel that a "God " had any hand in it as it was an incerdibley awful thing and due to the stength they personally had and the efforts of human men , they have now made it out.
I am not religious and I get that the board is now becomeing very religious but this is the efforts of men.
It is truely remarkable men that made this rescue happen and my hat goes off to them and hope that they feel that they have truely made a difference in other men;s lives by making this happen for them.
Just my opinion Cheers !!!
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Happy (belated) Thanksgiving LovelyLurker :D
I agree that this is a truly remarkable 'man-made' rescue...a tremendous humanitarian effort by many people from around the world to get these men out of the mine. Everyone involved, from the smallest of contributions, should be applauded for their efforts. If it wasn't for their ingenuity, knowledge and dedication, these brave souls might not have been rescued. But I also believe that this is just part of the 'miracle' at work here.
I'm not religious either, although I am very spiritual. As we continue to hear the personal stories of these miners, I am sure that we will be able to see the hand of God as the other part of the story. Have any of you heard the story of the miner and the white butterfly? This miner, aged 56 (can't remember his name but he was just rescued at 8:30am). He and another miner were driving some machinery just prior to the collaspse, and at some point they noticed a white butterfly in front of them (more symbollism???). They were amazed that a butterfly could have made it 2000ft down into the earth and survive. They were so amazed that they stopped their vehicle to just watch it flutter around. It was at that moment that the mine in front of them collapsed. Had they not stopped, they would have been crushed under the rubble. That, in my opinion, is the hand of God.
There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. ~Albert Einstein
With L.O.V.E. always.
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i heard anderson cooper say last night that the men (or one of them) had said that there were 34 of them down there because God had been with them all along.
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I´m from Argentina...
33 people in the mine
66 days until the hole was donne, they started the 33rd day during 33 days to make the hole...
someone say something on tv about co-incides and talk something about 33 weeks but i don´t catch up that... maybe was the 33rd week of the year... i don´t know :?
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i heard anderson cooper say last night that the men (or one of them) had said that there were 34 of them down there because God had been with them all along.
Yes, I heard that as well and it brought me to tears. Another miner also said that their time in the mine was marked by a constant struggle between God and the devil (good vs. evil?)...and that, in the end, God won.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Some more interesting 'co-incidences':
The 12th miner rescued had requested Elvis music be sent down to the mine because he's a big fan :lol:
And a reporter on CNN just said that everyone was looking forward to today because they felt it was going to be a special day. Why? Because if you add the month, day and year (10 (October)+ 13 (day) + 10 (year), you get 33 and there were 33 miners. Their hopes for today were grounded in numerology (albeit a somewhat different version). I don't think 'proper' numerology works this way, but it's interesting that they would even mention numerology at all.
So we have both an Elvis and a numerology connection to the 33 miners trapped for 66 days (before the hole was made) and today being the 70th day. Things that make you go hmmmm....
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Well. Not to ruin the party or anything but if this has anything to do with god, considering this is the first time men have been rescued from a mine disaster, that means god has left hundreds of other men to die slow agonizing deaths buried alive underground.
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Some more interesting 'co-incidences':
The 12th miner rescued had requested Elvis music be sent down to the mine because he's a big fan :lol:
And a reporter on CNN just said that everyone was looking forward to today because they felt it was going to be a special day. Why? Because if you add the month, day and year (10 (October)+ 13 (day) + 10 (year), you get 33 and there were 33 miners. Their hopes for today were grounded in numerology (albeit a somewhat different version). I don't think 'proper' numerology works this way, but it's interesting that they would even mention numerology at all.
So we have both an Elvis and a numerology connection to the 33 miners trapped for 66 days (before the hole was made) and today being the 70th day. Things that make you go hmmmm....
With L.O.V.E. always.
The name of the rescue capsule is PHOENIX.
How long does a Phoenix live?
There are various numbers tossed around as the lifetime of a phoenix: 300 years, 500 years, 1,000 years, 1461 years. The first three numbers sound poetically rounded; the number 1461 has the ring of truth. No one is going to make up a number like 1461. It's not a pretty number to say, it isn't easy to write, or to add or subtract with, so what gives?
Oftentimes, the number that looks like the odd-ball is the real deal, but the reasons for it have been forgotten. Not so with the phoenix's lifetime of 1461 years! The reason the phoenix is reborn every 1461 years has to do with astronomy, the cycle of a star and the sun, and the ancient Egyptian growing season.
A little knowledge of the Egyptian calendar is in order. The Egyptians had a calendar of 365 days; three seasons of 120 days each, and a 5-day period of feasting. The season that interests us is Akhet, the summer growing season. The first day of Akhet which, in 3000 BCE, was at the time of the Summer Solstice, heralded the yearly flooding of the Nile and meant the first day of the agricultural year, the growing season
There is another astronomical event which takes places at that time; the heliacal rising of Sirius, the star we call the Dog Star, one of the most important astronomical bodies to the ancient Egyptians. (A heliacal rising is the appearance of a star above the horizon just before the sun rises.)
While we, today, call Sirius the Dog star because it is the brightest star in the constellation of Canis Major, the Ancient Egyptians called it Sothis or Sopdet/Sepdet. Sopdet, sometimes identified with Isis, was a fertility goddess associated with the star Sirius and the agricultural year. When Sirius/Sothis/Sopdet became visible in the morning sky just before the sunrise, the sighting was celebrated with a festival called "The Coming of Sopdet" because it was the time of year for the waters of the Nile to rise; she brought with her the waters that would bring fertility to the land.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TX-WkAZZ6-s/Rf8jgSiJe9I/AAAAAAAAAM8/uw6OWxUYsU8/s400/Sothis-Orion-Horus.jpg)
At the same time, Sothis herself was returning to life, too, because she had been missing for 70 days. Sirius can be seen in the morning sky for all but 70 days of the year, and those 70 days that Sirius is invisible (or "dead") are the 70 days immediately preceding the first day of Akhet. Here is the parallel with the Phoenix being burned: Sirius/Sopdet is considered to be dead for those days because she was "burned" into invisibility by the sunrise.
Interestingly enough, an embalming took 70 days, after which the deceased began the journey to the Otherworld ruled by Osiris (husband of Isis), so 70 days became associated with reincarnation of another sort, re-vitalization of the spirit and the spirit's ability to travel.
The association of the bird-Phoenix comes with the Bennu Bird. Bennu is related to the words "to rise" and "to shine." The Bennu bird was further associated with the Ba, the roaming spirit often depicted as a human-headed bird, of Ra/Re the Egyptian Sun god. Therefore, the Bennu bird became the symbol of the solar spirit. After the 70 days of embalming, the star Sirius represented the "rise" and "shine" of the Bennu bird which also meant the re-vitalization of the spirit.
The Greeks called the star Sirius, "scorching" or "burning," and probably made that association due to the rising of the star with the sun at the time of the Summer Solstice, and the hottest season of the year.
Phoenix is from the Greek and Latin and means purple-red color (possibly the color of the sky just before sunrise), or a Phoenician, a member of a well-known sea-faring folk from Phoenicia, the ancient kingdom in the area of Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. I believe the location of Phoenicia accounts for the idea that the Phoenix comes from the Arabian wilderness. Phoenicia as well as the heliacal rising of the Phoenix/Sirius/Sothis star with the Summer Solstice sun, is in the east for anyone living in Egypt, Greece or Rome.
The 1461 year lifetime of the Phoenix is due to the 365.25 day year and the lack of a Leap Year in the ancient Egyptian calendar.
As already stated, Sirius "died" for 70 days, consumed by the fire of the sun, and was "reborn" on the first day of the planting season known as Akhet, the day of the Summer Solstice, when the star was again visible on the eastern horizon just before sunrise.
So, for several generations of Egyptian astronomical observers, the floods were marked by the rise of Sirius, the rebirth of the Phoenix, in the pre-dawn morning on the first day of Akhet.
However, they accounted for only 365 days in each year, so that every four years, the day that Sirius was "reborn" came one day earlier! Instead of on the Summer Solstice, it would be one day earlier, and then four years later and another day earlier, and then another, and another. The rise of the fertility star and the day of the Summer Solstice became seriously out of alignment.
In order for the Phoenix/Bennu/Sirius star to be "reborn" on the first day of Akhet, 1,461 years would have to pass!
In fact, what did happen was that every 1460 years, the Ancient Egyptians would add an entire Leap Year of 365 days. .25 of a year X 1460 years = 365 days, or a full Leap Year. Add the Leap Year to the 1460 years equals the 1461 years known as a Sothic Cycle for the goddess Sothis and the star Sothis/ Serius/ Bennu/ Phoenix.
The Sothic Cycle of 1461 years is the lifetime of the Phoenix: the star Sirius again rises in conjunction with the Summer Solstice….after 70 days of death, the Phoenix Rises, reborn on the Summer Solstice.
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Wow Mo! Thanks so much for this info...this is all just so surreal! Didn't bec have a thread about the hoax and 70 days? Just trying to connect some more dots (and yes, I'm fully strapped into the jacket ;) )
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Just came across this post on another site....some more interesting stuff.
Symbolism associated with the Chilean Miners Crisis
A few days ago I sent the following message to a few friends. There is a story unfolding here
and the result is to be good news.
Over 2 months ago back in August, 33 miners were trapped in Chile in an underground mine.
First, they drilled a small diameter shaft that the people on the top could send down necessary
supplies and even 22% oxygen/air mixture for breathing.
This, as you will see below, was referred to as "The Umbilical Cord".
Then, this past weekend I sent out this message:
SUBJECT: Very Symbolic>>>Watch Carefully as events play out
These 33 miners are about to be rebirthed from the underworld.
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Rescuers have drilled through to the underground chamber where 33 Chilean miners have been trapped since
AUGUST.
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Thus, this past weekend, "The BIRTH CANAL" was opened allowing for the
eventual rescue of the 33 miners. This is ongoing as I now write this and
the first miner is almost ready to be lifted from the depths of the underworld
to the surface. In essence, they are about to be rebirthed.
And right after I made this posting, the Sunday night "Poof" report of 10/10/10
was titled "The PREGNANT PAUSE".
Note that when the Birth Canal was opened, it was stated that there would be
a "Pause/Delay" before the miners could resurface. I believe that was last
Friday and the first miner I believe will suface on October 13th.
And, even though it is not Friday, October 13th should add even more to the
significance to this event....visa via October 13, 1307.
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(http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/event/598/486/63283902-diagram-showing.jpg)
Up on the surface, we find the familiar "Pentagram" with the pictures of the
33 miners posted on it. Note that the pentagram is pointing upwards. This
is very significant & symbolic. Please read the caption below this picture.
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20101012/capt.32456d45cafd4e32b661384947488ed7-32456d45cafd4e32b661384947488ed7-0.jpg?x=400&y=265&q=85&sig=6DZbB9IWB1pAm6da6rFI4A--
It has long been a truism within occult circles that the pentagram, when one point is ascendant, is a symbol for the positive principle, and when two points are ascendant it is a symbol for the negative principle.
This is derived from a claim made by Éliphas Lévi that the direction of the rays of the pentagram determine if it represents the good or evil principle: one point up representing order and light, two points up representing disorder and darkness. Lévi gives no justification or citation for this arbitrary distinction and goes on to arbitrarily equate the pentagram as a symbol for the Baphomet or goat headed god. [1] This ignores, or distorts, the pentagram’s inclusion, one point down, in Constantine’s seal, the later mediaeval depiction of it as a medical symbol of health, and its Christian representation as a symbol of the Transfiguration of Christ.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram.html (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram.html)
This, I believe signifies the end of the disorder and darkness per the above.
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Then, of course, we have the capsule that each of the miners will ride in traveling
from the underworld (DARKNESS) to the surface and into the LIGHT.
And, of course, what is the theme of all this......Well, it is contained in the name
of the capsule....below
The PHOENIX Capsule
The PHOENIX is rising from the ashes of death and being reborn...meaning
that "Humanity" is being resurrected from the "Cave" and reborn. Sound
familiar?
Methinks that the waiting period for many of us for the Big Shift is practically
over and the World is about to CHANGE and all for the betterment of humanity.
This event is being publicized on the WORLD STAGE for all to see.
"Watch CLOSELY" as things are about to get exciting.
And guess what color the PHOENIX capsule is...........
(http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/689473/1286573987563.JPEG)
"Red, White, & Blue"
I mean you just cannot script any better than the story being played out before
our very own eyes.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiscerningAngels/message/54353
With L.O.V.E. always.
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chile's flag is whitered and blue that´s why the phoenix have those colors
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I'm not 'ready' to make this sort of leap just yet...but there seems to be some discussion going on about this being a 'hoax' event on some boards. While I think a lot of the comments are a far stretch, there are some interesting 'theories' on this board (a David Icke board no less):
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139134
With L.O.V.E. always.
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chile's flag is whitered and blue that´s why the phoenix have those colors
Flag Chile:
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs7/300W/i/2005/241/4/9/chile_flag_by_chile_.jpg)
Flag Texas:
(http://www.group3txwing.org/images/misc/Flag_of_Texas.jpg)
Texas county ballots wrongly have flag of Chile
– Tue Oct 12, 3:28 pm ET
AUSTIN, Texas – Election officials in Atascosa County are correcting a mistake on absentee ballots to remove the flag of Chile, which is similar to the Texas banner. Voter Troy Knudson noticed the error. Knudson told the Austin American-Statesman that election officials congratulated him "for preventing future Atascosa voters from seeing the flag mistake."
The flags of Texas and Chile both have a white stripe on top and a red one on the bottom, plus a single star in the middle of a blue field.
In the Chilean flag the blue is only in the top left corner. The Texas flag displayed the blue all along the left side.
Current elections administrator Janice Ruple blames a previous worker for the mixup and says "We just never caught it."
The election is Nov. 2.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101012/ap_ ... flap_chile (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101012/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_flag_flap_chile)
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I'm not 'ready' to make this sort of leap just yet...but there seems to be some discussion going on about this being a 'hoax' event on some boards. While I think a lot of the comments are a far stretch, there are some interesting 'theories' on this board (a David Icke board no less):
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139134
With L.O.V.E. always.
I don't think that this is a hoax, but there is most certainly more to this story. I'm glad to see that you have broadened your view and started to connect the dots.
'Phoenix'
The Hell/Hal Rescue Mission - 2010.
(http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/10b/Chile-mine-Phoenix-2.jpg)
'The Phoenix' capsule rescuing Chilean miners
(http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/09/2010-phoenix.gif)
The first miner came up to the surface at 00:11 am local time, October 13, Orange Alignment day. Orange Alignment is a reliable 'omen' for many years.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/oa_10-2010.jpg)
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I definitely agree with you Mo...something VERY strange is going on. Here's another link to another board discussing the 'weirdness' of it all...some very interesting comments here:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1219691/pg1
And check out the logo of Codelco (the mining co.):
(http://www.sulphuric-acid.com/sulphuric-acid-on-the-web/acid%20plants/Codelco-Logo.jpg)
Maybe I'm looking too deeply into this, but posters on that board have noted that it looks like an 'eye' and maybe an upside-down cross???
With L.O.V.E. always.
EDIT: Just wanted to comment on the colors of the capsule...apart from the Texas parralel. Why was it even necessary to paint the thing, let alone take the time to paint it 3 colors. Yes, I realize it's the Chilean colors, but considering how long these men were trapped and the gravity of the situation...you'd think that painting the 'Phoenix' would have taken a backseat to getting these men out asap.
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I definitely agree with you Mo...something VERY strange is going on. Here's another link to another board discussing the 'weirdness' of it all...some very interesting comments here:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1219691/pg1
And check out the logo of Codelco (the mining co.):
(http://www.sulphuric-acid.com/sulphuric-acid-on-the-web/acid%20plants/Codelco-Logo.jpg)
Maybe I'm looking too deeply into this, but posters on that board have noted that it looks like an 'eye' and maybe an upside-down cross???
With L.O.V.E. always.
EDIT: Just wanted to comment on the colors of the capsule...apart from the Texas parralel. Why was it even necessary to paint the thing, let alone take the time to paint it 3 colors. Yes, I realize it's the Chilean colors, but considering how long these men were trapped and the gravity of the situation...you'd think that painting the 'Phoenix' would have taken a backseat to getting these men out asap.
There are some good comments on that page and an excellent link is posted there which will give you loads of dots to connect. PM me if you need any help...
I agree with you that painting the "Phoenix" rescue capsule should have been the least of concerns.
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Holy crap you guys!
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Holy crap you guys!
You can say that again! Talk about 'entering the rabbit hole' :o This is just CRAZY!
Mo...is this the link you were talking abouthttp://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/? There sure is a ton of dots to connect there but before I can even begin to, I have to temporarily take my jacket off and go change my pants :o WTH is going on?
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Holy crap you guys!
You can say that again! Talk about 'entering the rabbit hole' :o This is just CRAZY!
Mo...is this the link you were talking abouthttp://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/? There sure is a ton of dots to connect there but before I can even begin to, I have to temporarily take my jacket off and go change my pants :o WTH is going on?
With L.O.V.E. always.
Yep, that's it.
I'm sending you some Ibuprofen, you will need it after a couple of hours of reading :lol:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/34/91935947_515461ee76.jpg)
It's heavy shit, but extremely interesting. Good luck! ;)
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LOL...thanks Mo, I'll gladly accept the 'red' pills you sent. I'm going in 8-)
With L.O.V.E. always.
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! shit, I had not paid attention to this, or was I did not want to pay attention to this! I can not talk to anyone! they think I am crazy :?
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! shit, I had not paid attention to this, or was I did not want to pay attention to this! I can not talk to anyone! they think I am crazy :?
Don't worry, you are in the right place here Paula, everyone thinks we're crazy so welcome to the club! :lol:
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Is it just me or do these miners look mighty clean? http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html (http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html) It reminds me of another "news" story, the BP Oil Spill. Does anyone see any oil anywhere in these photos? http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle ... Id=7061708 (http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9033571&contentId=7061708) Things that make me say hmmm... Right now, I am wondering if this miners story is even real and if not, then who planted the story and more importantly, why? Another distraction perhaps?
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Is it just me or do these miners look mighty clean? http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html (http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html) It reminds me of another "news" story, the BP Oil Spill. Does anyone see any oil anywhere in these photos? http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle ... Id=7061708 (http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9033571&contentId=7061708) Things that make me say hmmm... Right now, I am wondering if this miners story is even real and if not, then who planted the story and more importantly, why? Another distraction perhaps?
Exactly.. I'm thinking "Ok, what's REALLY going on in the world that they don't want us to pay attention to...?"
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! shit, I had not paid attention to this, or was I did not want to pay attention to this! I can not talk to anyone! they think I am crazy :?
Don't worry, you are in the right place here Paula, everyone thinks we're crazy so welcome to the club! :lol:
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQORPbxRDIJO-On2z2vhhdlspCAIiRT1hVmvSTSgOK-ciSZMkU&t=1&usg=__-oHlk6R6NCX6P4RVc-sLFZdyW5U=)
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So mad, that I am looking closely at each picture posted to see if MJ is helping there disguised as a worker....
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If good it is true here it is possible to speak.. I am going to continue investigating :mrgreen:
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So mad, that I am looking closely at each picture posted to see if MJ is helping there disguised as a worker....
:lol:
that would be WONDERFUL!
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I really like living in the "Mad" club! I have to keep it a secret in the real world though, so they don't take me away or medicate me, or take away the internet. :lol:
At the close of the first century the Clement of Rome was the first Christian to connect the myth of the Phoenix bird rising out of the ashes, to an allegory of bodily resurrection (man is made from dust/ash). I noticed also this site suggests Phoenix life spans of besides 500, 540, 1000, 1461, also to be 12,994 years. http://www.mythicalrealm.com/creatures/phoenix.html (http://www.mythicalrealm.com/creatures/phoenix.html)
I see strong allegorical connections of this miners rescue story to Thriller 2, people coming out of their graves. The story is ripe or "pregnant" with meaning for planned future world events IMO. Who is behind this?
"When will this mystery unfold?"
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Is it just me or do these miners look mighty clean? http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html (http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html) It reminds me of another "news" story, the BP Oil Spill. Does anyone see any oil anywhere in these photos? http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle ... Id=7061708 (http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9033571&contentId=7061708) Things that make me say hmmm... Right now, I am wondering if this miners story is even real and if not, then who planted the story and more importantly, why? Another distraction perhaps?
Exactly.. I'm thinking "Ok, what's REALLY going on in the world that they don't want us to pay attention to...?"
Yup, I am thinking NWO perhaps but that seems too simple and broad. It has be something specific that they are trying to hide this time around for this big event to happen in the media. And for anyone interested, there is a really good video series about the BP Oil Spill here: http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/BPoilspi ... aunch.html (http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/BPoilspillinthegulfofmexicoLaunch.html). I did post the youtube videos of it somewhere else on this board but I cannot find it on youtube anymore. This BP story reminds me a lot of this miners story with things that don't add up. I do wonder if the BP Oil Spill has any similar strange numerology and historic and spiritual references as well. Thanks to bec for picking up on that and everyone else's research. You guys are one crazy, amazing bunch of folks! Love ya. :lol:
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Rescued miner says he saw God, devil during captivity
By Mariano Castillo, CNN October 13, 2010 2:06 p.m. EDT
(CNN) -- Having spent 69 days trapped inside the San Jose mine in Chile before being rescued, Mario Sepulveda says, he is a changed man.
"I buried 40 years of my life down there, and I'm going to live a lot longer to be a new person," he said in a video conference hours after surfacing from half a mile underground.
Sepulveda, the second miner extracted from the mine, has advice for those who take undue risks in their lives.
"I think I have learned a lot of wonderful lessons about taking the good path in life," he said. "For those of you able to call your wives or your husbands, do so."
During the time he was trapped inside the mine, Sepulveda said, he saw both good and evil.
"I was with God, and I was with the devil. They fought, and God won," he said. Sepulveda said he grabbed God's hand and never doubted that he would be rescued.
Sepulveda praised the efforts of the rescue crews but argued for reforms in the mining industry.
"I think this country has to understand once and for all that we can make change. In the area of labor, we have make many changes," he said. "I think the owner has to give the tools so that the middle managers can bring changes in terms of labor. The middle managers cannot carry on like they have."
The rescued miner had high praise for the doctors and psychologists who aided the miners via videoconference.
"They gave us our lives back. It's incredible that with 700 meters between us, and not seeing us face-to-face, they revived us," he said.
With the world watching and the media attention at the mine intense, Sepulveda said he hoped to maintain a low-key profile now that they are being rescued.
"The only thing I ask personally is that you please not treat us like celebrities or journalists. I want to continue being treated like Mario Antonio Sepulveda Espinace, the worker, the miner. I love that, and I think that, in some shape, way or form, I want to continue working," he said.
Sepulveda was flanked by family members as he spoke.
"I'm very happy for all the beautiful things that were done for us," he said. "I'm very excited to be up here again."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/13/chile.miners.voices/index.html?iref=NS1
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"I was with God, and I was with the devil. They fought, and God won," he said. Sepulveda said he grabbed God's hand and never doubted that he would be rescued.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_apS4bH6svM0/TJYGEqjXTmI/AAAAAAAAB5A/S5XaqHfzF3M/s1600/devil_movie_poster_02.jpg)
PLOT: Set in an office building, five strangers are riding in an elevator when they suddenly find themselves trapped. After several terrifying and inexplicable events occur, such as the local fire department unable to open the elevator, the people begin to turn against each other when they begin to suspect that one of them is in fact, the Devil.
(http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/10b/Devil_film_poster-small.jpg) (http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/10b/Chile-mine-Phoenix-2b.jpg)
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Flag of Chile:
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs7/300W/i/2005/241/4/9/chile_flag_by_chile_.jpg)
Notice that there is an upward pentagram om the flag of Chile, yet the rescued miners are wearing t-shirts with an inverted pentagram:
(http://www.topbuzznews.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chile-rescued-miners-300x207.jpg)
(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/2010_10_13/first-four-of-33-men-rescued-from-chilean-mine-2010-10-13_l.jpg)
(http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00268/CARLOS_MANANI_268506e.jpg)
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Mo you blew my mind.
Oh my jesus god what is going on here.
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@*Mo*
Looks to me that the star is inverted to fit in to the t-shirt design.
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@*Mo*
Looks to me that the star is inverted to fit in to the t-shirt design.
That is what I have thought about also, but then again - would they invert the pentagram of their own flag, of their country of which they seem to be very proud, just to make it fit a t-shirt design..? Why not adjust the red and blue so that their upward pentagram would fit? Why send down 33 t-shirts anyway?
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Having spent 69 days trapped inside the San Jose mine in Chile before being rescued, Mario Sepulveda says, he is a changed man.
"I buried 40 years of my life down there, and I'm going to live a lot longer to be a new person," he said in a video conference hours after surfacing from half a mile underground.
69 a symbol of As Above, So Below
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69 representing Duality- looks similar to the yin yang symbol.
(http://blogs.hds.com/miki/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/yin-yang.jpg)
40 - Representing wholeness, the number 40 is especially important in the Bible. Moses sojourn on Sinai lasted 40 days, as did that of Jesus Christ in the wilderness.
Noah's ark floated in the Flood for 40 days and 40 nights.
Forty was also significant in terms of years- the Jews spent 40 years in the wilderness and the reigns of David and Solomon were both 40 years.
http://hubpages.com/hub/numbers
More on 40 here: http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu40.php
33 Miners - 33 is a pretty significant number in the occult, freemasonry and the Bible...
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More "coincidences", to think this night... :?
THE 33 miners Chilean ATRAPADOS EN LA MINA, RITUALS, CABALAS, LA MASONERIA and NWO at 23: 37 hour Tuesday 12 12 Tuesday day Capsulo Phoenix II reached the Interior of the mine, good is repeats two times 3 (33) in the first rescue of the the miners, Capsula Phoenix II is Demoró 17 minutes to reach the Interior of the mine, and is Demoró 16 minute exit to surface this boilerplate, then 17 + 16 = 33 was day 13-10 10 came the first mining area, 13 + 10 + 10 = 33. Last night just to send the first report here on my blog, it severed Internet and could not find, few minutes I came the Internet. (Updated information)
21: 35 Hour entered the first Capsula Phoenix rescue miners, 2 + 1 + 3 + 5 = 11.
Wore 65 days we miners trapped, when the punch T-130 came to the workshop where this US 6 + 5 = 11, miners are 33 TV international media which are at camp hope again in number 33.El Minister of mining Informo than for the day Wednesday 13 Empesaran rescue, the number 13 is repite.Entonce Empesaran the rescue 13-10 - 10, adding 13 + 10 + 10 = 33.Las Tres Capsulas that make to the miners are called "Phoenix" and was a 5 day of August which is DIO to know us 33 miners trapped in Mina News San José. 5 Day, the month of August is the eighth month of the calendar, in other words 5 + 8 = 13 (8)
Punch machine T-130, the exact time of the break-up and came to the workshop where this mine Nos was at 8: 03 but other they say that it was the morning 8: 05. Time: 8 + 3 = 11, 8 + 5 = 13.
("WE ARE WELL ON THE REFUGE 33" DAY RESURRECTION SUNDAY 22 AUGUST 2010, BECAME A PERFECT CONTACT WITH THE 33 MINERS TRAPPED IN THE MINE SAN JOSE COPIAPÓ AND NUMEROLOGICAMENTE EAST DAY CORRESPONDS 22) / 08/2010. 22 + 8 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 33 AND THE PHRASE "WE ARE WELL ON THE REFUGE 33", HAS 33 CHARACTERS.
They are 33 workers miners trapped in Mina, for 33 days became one the punch where this mine, the machine that Perforo called T-130 (T, 13, 0) number 13, these numbers is very equal to the number 11 and 13 Qabalistic because they are numbers that the secret orders as the Illuminatis, masons, occultists, Warlocks and cabalistic do their rites and sacrifices their ceremony which for them is very secret and sacred. There are alert because if you get day 11.13 already will not be a US conspiracies theories always that are behind this chaos and disorder world and Pretende do a dictatorship world called the new world order (NWO) know very well that these numbers are sacred to them and where do these ceremonies, initiations, rites and sacrifices.
There are millions of people in Chile and the entire world are viewing live this news, but they that are behind the NWO know very well the power of TV, if that side Sacaran to 33 miners trapped in the mine San Jose and by the other side the Qabalistic Ritual of them which handle and moved the threads of the world, have been fulfilled, the masses are totally Pegadas the TV viewing news and their number 33 and its Fénix(las_tres_Capsula_se_llama_Fénix) Ave is very sacred to this secret elite and is Vista and heard by millions of people, this is the start for them that control and moved the Hagan world wire world dictatorship called new world order, meanwhile the masses are pasted on the TV viewing the rescue to the mining.
ABOUT MINERS CHILEANS HAS ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A SATANIC MASONICO RITUAL?
The 32 degree Masons to ascend to the last and largest undergraduate, 33, have to make a great ritual called "The murder of the King". This ritual is the symbolic death of King (symbolized with number 33) or the Mason and its revival in a higher, reaching the so-called lighting. Like the Phoenix Bird, the Mason dies and is reborn. And Masons believe that more witnesses have the ritual, most powerful is the same.
During World War II, the President of USA Harry Truman, was a 32 degree Mason. And then after the war was promoted to grade 33. The ritual of the "King murder" conducted to achieve his rise was the launch of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. This town was chosen because of the parallel 33. The bomb was released at midnight, approximately at 0 hours GMT, just between days 8 5, 1945 (5 + 8 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 5 = 32) and 6, 8, 1945 (6 + 8 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 5 = 33), i.e. the date represents the transition from 32 to 33.
Seeing the present case of the Chilean mining, can view several coincidences with the Masonic ritual called "The murder of the King". To begin, the miners are casually 33. Capsule in which the miners will leave was coincidentally called Phoenix. Rescue shall say at midnight (not discussed because they chose this time) between the 12/10/10 days (12 + 10 + 10 = 32) and the 13/10/10 (13 + 10 + 10 = 33). And remember that collapse occurred 5/8, the same date that United States launched its atomic bomb on Hiroshima (Japan was already 6/8, but in the US was still 5/8). And if her ritual Masons need witnesses to give power to it, today will be to the whole world watching television.
Could we be against a new Satanic Masonic Ritual, by means of which a Mason will be 32 degree 33? Is that Mason himself Piñera?
credits, http://conspiracionesilluminatis.blogsp ... abala.html (http://conspiracionesilluminatis.blogspot.com/2010/10/los-33-mineros-chilenos-ritualescabala.html)
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^^ WOW, thanks Paula!^^
I'm just getting around to reading this thread now...and I'm absolutely shocked by all these weird "coincidences"... Thanks to everyone for the research! Time to digest it...
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"I was with God, and I was with the devil. They fought, and God won," he said. Sepulveda said he grabbed God's hand and never doubted that he would be rescued.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_apS4bH6svM0/TJYGEqjXTmI/AAAAAAAAB5A/S5XaqHfzF3M/s1600/devil_movie_poster_02.jpg)
PLOT: Set in an office building, five strangers are riding in an elevator when they suddenly find themselves trapped. After several terrifying and inexplicable events occur, such as the local fire department unable to open the elevator, the people begin to turn against each other when they begin to suspect that one of them is in fact, the Devil.
(http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/10b/Devil_film_poster-small.jpg) (http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/10b/Chile-mine-Phoenix-2b.jpg)
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Flag of Chile:
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs7/300W/i/2005/241/4/9/chile_flag_by_chile_.jpg)
Notice that there is an upward pentagram om the flag of Chile, yet the rescued miners are wearing t-shirts with an inverted pentagram:
(http://www.topbuzznews.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chile-rescued-miners-300x207.jpg)
(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/2010_10_13/first-four-of-33-men-rescued-from-chilean-mine-2010-10-13_l.jpg)
(http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00268/CARLOS_MANANI_268506e.jpg)
Wow this is incredible. Thanks for sharing Mo. Very intriguing. I am not sure what to make out of this one.
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This is a common sense question: Why are the miners so healthy looking? Wouldn't they look tired, starving? This is such BS. I can't help but laugh at this point. :lol:
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This is a common sense question: Why are the miners so healthy looking? Wouldn't they look tired, starving? This is such BS. I can't help but laugh at this point. :lol:
On TMZ Live today, Harvey pointed out that "the best looking miner" was the first to emerge and also how they all looked clean shaven and not dirty...
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I had my Canadian thanksgiving dinner today ( as my son had to work this weekend) and I must say that as I ate my dinner I was very thankful for these men being rescued and it all going so well.
I cannot say I feel "spiritiual" about it as it is the culmination of many peoples very very hard work.
I am very very happy about it but cannot say I feel that a "God " had any hand in it as it was an incerdibley awful thing and due to the stength they personally had and the efforts of human men , they have now made it out.
I am not religious and I get that the board is now becomeing very religious but this is the efforts of men.
It is truely remarkable men that made this rescue happen and my hat goes off to them and hope that they feel that they have truely made a difference in other men;s lives by making this happen for them.
Just my opinion Cheers !!!
I think it's the power of positivity myself as I was just telling my mom just now! Wow! All 33 alive, who had been down there for 69 days!!! =D
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Well. Not to ruin the party or anything but if this has anything to do with god, considering this is the first time men have been rescued from a mine disaster, that means god has left hundreds of other men to die slow agonizing deaths buried alive underground.
I know, right?
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This is a common sense question: Why are the miners so healthy looking? Wouldn't they look tired, starving? This is such BS. I can't help but laugh at this point. :lol:
Here is your supposed answer and it sounds a lil fishy to me ... ;)
Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel ~ Michael Jackson
Miners Defy Dire Predictions on Fitness and Spirit
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: October 13, 2010
hhttp://ttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/world/americas/14medical.html?_r=1&/?src=mtwt&twt=mnytimes
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So.. Basically what it's come down to is that this mining "accident" was planned by someone affiliated with the hoax/awakening process to be symbolic of rebirth, good over evil. Right?
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This is a common sense question: Why are the miners so healthy looking? Wouldn't they look tired, starving? This is such BS. I can't help but laugh at this point. :lol:
On TMZ Live today, Harvey pointed out that "the best looking miner" was the first to emerge and also how they all looked clean shaven and not dirty...
CAN YOU POST THE VIDEO PLEASE
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I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND, HOW IS THIS CONNECTED TO MICHAEL?
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This is a common sense question: Why are the miners so healthy looking? Wouldn't they look tired, starving? This is such BS. I can't help but laugh at this point. :lol:
On TMZ Live today, Harvey pointed out that "the best looking miner" was the first to emerge and also how they all looked clean shaven and not dirty...
CAN YOU POST THE VIDEO PLEASE
http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/ (http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/)
Click on TMZ Live: 10/13/10 Part 2. Harvey starts talking about it right before the six minute mark.
I don't know how to embed it on here, I only know how to with youtube. :)
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This is a common sense question: Why are the miners so healthy looking? Wouldn't they look tired, starving? This is such BS. I can't help but laugh at this point. :lol:
On TMZ Live today, Harvey pointed out that "the best looking miner" was the first to emerge and also how they all looked clean shaven and not dirty...
CAN YOU POST THE VIDEO PLEASE
http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/ (http://www.tmz.com/tmz-live/)
Click on TMZ Live: 10/13/10 Part 2. Harvey starts talking about it right before the six minute mark.
I don't know how to embed it on here, I only know how to with youtube. :)
:lol: @ a tabloid having more common sense...
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I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND, HOW IS THIS CONNECTED TO MICHAEL?
The media cannot be trusted. Michael has been saying this for awhile now and I think part of this hoax is illustrating this and this event shows how fake the media truly is.
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So.. Basically what it's come down to is that this mining "accident" was planned by someone affiliated with the hoax/awakening process to be symbolic of rebirth, good over evil. Right?
No, the opposite. This seems almost like some sort of staged event. I mean the miners changed into these t-shirts with an inverted Pentagram and all the numbers combined with the phoenix, as above so below etc. something just doesn't feel right at all.
(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/2010_10_13/first-four-of-33-men-rescued-from-chilean-mine-2010-10-13_l.jpg)
(http://www.breadonthewaters.com/add/0451_pentagram_inverted_witchcraft_clipart.jpg)
Satanism
Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. This is referred to as the Sigil of Baphomet. They use it much the same way as the Pythagoreans, as Tartaros literally translates from Greek as a "Pit" or "Void" in Christian terminology (the word is used as such in the Bible, referring to the place where the fallen angels are fettered). The Pythagorean Greek letters are most often replaced by Hebrew letters forming the name Leviathan. Less esoteric LaVeyan Satanists use it as a sign of rebellion or religious identification, the three downward points symbolising rejection of the holy Trinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
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So.. Basically what it's come down to is that this mining "accident" was planned by someone affiliated with the hoax/awakening process to be symbolic of rebirth, good over evil. Right?
No, the opposite. This seems almost like some sort of staged event. I mean the miners changed into these t-shirts with an inverted Pentagram and all the numbers combined with the phoenix, as above so below etc. something just doesn't feel right at all.
(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/2010_10_13/first-four-of-33-men-rescued-from-chilean-mine-2010-10-13_l.jpg)
(http://www.breadonthewaters.com/add/0451_pentagram_inverted_witchcraft_clipart.jpg)
Satanism
Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. This is referred to as the Sigil of Baphomet. They use it much the same way as the Pythagoreans, as Tartaros literally translates from Greek as a "Pit" or "Void" in Christian terminology (the word is used as such in the Bible, referring to the place where the fallen angels are fettered). The Pythagorean Greek letters are most often replaced by Hebrew letters forming the name Leviathan. Less esoteric LaVeyan Satanists use it as a sign of rebellion or religious identification, the three downward points symbolising rejection of the holy Trinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
I know I'm slow, but what does a Phoenix have to do with it? By the way, I meant to say it's come down to what I posted or it was planned by the opposite, I thought so, just wanted to make sure.
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wow, eerie! I just wanna know know what went on in the first 17 days that made all of them sign an agreement to never ever talk about it. I find that odd. :?
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wow, eerie! I just wanna know know what went on in the first 17 days that made all of them sign an agreement to never ever talk about it. I find that odd. :?
Yeah, i was wondering about that too when I heard them mention it on the CNN coverage today.
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I'm with Serenity, something just doesn't feel right about all of this.
Since the 25th June, 2009 i go a lot with my gut feelings, and this isn't good.....
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At least MJDH is being documented for a reveal eventually, which is more than I can say about TPTB/NWO. Whether operation phoenix was legit (doubt) or not (form of masonic accreditation) it makes you wonder what TPTB were really up to elsewhere while the population and media have been distracted. These players are well aware of how to distract the population when they need to implement their agendas by using 'covers' that capture the public interest. Hate to say it, but it's another form of control over the masses. Having said that I do beLIEve we're waking up to it!!!
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my thoughts exactly.....
We need to have a good hard look at what else was going down during the 24hr news coverage.
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I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND, HOW IS THIS CONNECTED TO MICHAEL?
The media cannot be trusted. Michael has been saying this for awhile now and I think part of this hoax is illustrating this and this event shows how fake the media truly is.
I had a nudging feeling something was off... :o :?
I kept wondering how the heck they survived down there for 69 days (what kind of food and supplies did they have, etc)?! :?: :!:
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I applaud MJDH for revealing these discrepancies. At least Harvey wasn't fooled. When I called my mother last night, the first thing she said was the "the miners have been released." Literally all the world's attention was on them and on Chile. This was an image boost for Chile, definitely. Remember they had the earthquake last year. Could this have been done to get Chile back on its feet? Just wondering.
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I applaud MJDH for revealing these discrepancies. At least Harvey wasn't fooled. When I called my mother last night, the first thing she said was the "the miners have been released." Literally all the world's attention was on them and on Chile. This was an image boost for Chile, definitely. Remember they had the earthquake last year. Could this have been done to get Chile back on its feet? Just wondering.
Soon there will be a movie about this rescue, I'm sure, whether it is a hoax or not. Why not take these men that have been under ground for a little more than two months straight to a hospital? That first rescued man seemed quite healthy and clean to me, like he didn't need medical attention, eventually they put him on a stretcher, yes, but, I dunno, it took a while from getting him out of the hole to getting him on the stretcher... its like the interview and that special moment had to be "captured" and let the world know that the rescue was real...too much attention to the "moment" and not to the man's well being.
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At least MJDH is being documented for a reveal eventually, which is more than I can say about TPTB/NWO. Whether operation phoenix was legit (doubt) or not (form of masonic accreditation) it makes you wonder what TPTB were really up to elsewhere while the population and media have been distracted. These players are well aware of how to distract the population when they need to implement their agendas by using 'covers' that capture the public interest. Hate to say it, but it's another form of control over the masses. Having said that I do beLIEve we're waking up to it!!!
I'm still waiting for a Red Flag event to "justify" an invasion of Iran.
The media has been shoving down the "Iran nuclear programme" down our throats for months now, and it shows a spooky resemblance to the "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction" media crap we were supposed to believe prior to the invasion of Iraq and which later, as we all know, turned out to be a lie and just an excuse to invade Iraq.
This is something that caught my eye yesterday:
BreakingNews
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad begins 1st state visit to Lebanon
8:16 AM Oct 13th via breakingnews.com
Iran to stand by Lebanon against Israel
14-OKT-2010 | REUTERS
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used a visit to Lebanon this week to assure the government that Iran would stand by Beirut in confronting what he called hostilities from neighbouring Israel
(http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/incoming/article165405.ece/RESIZED/Small/iran.jpg)
Ahmadinejad, making the first official state visit by an Iranian president to Lebanon, was given a tumultuous welcome by thousands of Shi'ite Muslims who lined the road from the airport, throwing rice and petals at his motorcade.
"The Iranian nation will always stand beside the Lebanese nation and will never abandon them ... We will surely help the Lebanese nation against animosities, mainly staged by the Zionist regime (Israel)," he said.
Israel and Tehran's Shi'ite ally Hezbollah fought a 34-day war in 2006, a conflict which killed 1,200 people in Lebanon, mostly civilians, and 158 Israelis, mostly soldiers.
Ahmadinejad, who was due to visit Lebanon's border region with Israel on Thursday, told a rally organized by Hezbollah that Israel would pay a price for any aggressive action.
"(Israel) feels it has reached a dead end, and may stage new treacherous acts to rescue its existence and to create opportunities for itself," he told a crowd of thousands, waving Iranian and Lebanese flags.
"I announce here and now that any new treacherous act will merely shorten this fabricated regime's disgraceful life."
The United States said Ahmadinejad's visit to Lebanon showed he was continuing his "provocative ways." Washington wants to isolate Iran over its nuclear programme and says Iran's support for Hezbollah militants undermines Lebanese sovereignty.
Ahmadinejad's trip has also alarmed pro-Western politicians in Lebanon's fractious unity government, who had said that he treats Lebanon like "an Iranian base on the Mediterranean."
But in a message apparently aimed at addressing those protests and easing months of political tension, Ahmadinejad stressed Iranian backing for all Lebanese.
"We support a strong and unified Lebanon. We will always back the Lebanese government and its nation," he said after talks with President Michel Suleiman, a Maronite Christian.
Lebanon's Energy and Water Minister Gebran Bassil said Iran had agreed a $450 million loan for Lebanon to support power and water projects. He said Ahmadinejad had stressed during the talks that "all the benefits of this visit would be for all the Lebanese," rather than for a single faction.
Lebanon's government, which includes Hezbollah ministers, is deeply split over an international investigation into the killing of former premier Rafik al-Hariri which is expected to indict Hezbollah members.
Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri, son of the slain statesman, is resisting escalating pressure from Hezbollah and its allies to renounce the U.N.-backed probe before it issues indictments.
"We have confirmed the importance of maintaining Lebanese national unity...supporting the state and its institutions and strengthening the foundations of stability," Suleiman said after the talks.
Ahmadinejad had a rare telephone call on Tuesday with Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, whose country supports Hezbollah's Sunni Muslim rivals. He also discussed maintaining security in Lebanon with Jordan's King Abdullah and Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, Iran's IRNA news agency said.
Iran has offered to step in to supply Lebanon's poorly equipped army after U.S. military aid was held up by political objections in Congress following a border clash between Lebanese and Israeli troops in August.
The West accuses Iran of supplying arms to Hezbollah, which says it has an arsenal of more than 30,000 rockets.
Officials close to Hezbollah stress instead Iran's support for reconstruction, saying they have spent about $1 billion of Iranian money since 2006 on aid and rebuilding.
Gulf Arab states Saudi Arabia and Qatar, vying for influence with Tehran, have also provided funds but the crowds who greeted Ahmadinejad on Wednesday were clear where their gratitude lay.
"He helped us rebuild Lebanon. If he hadn't, our houses would still be destroyed and we would still be living in tents," 50-year-old Mahmoud Darwish said.
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At least MJDH is being documented for a reveal eventually, which is more than I can say about TPTB/NWO. Whether operation phoenix was legit (doubt) or not (form of masonic accreditation) it makes you wonder what TPTB were really up to elsewhere while the population and media have been distracted. These players are well aware of how to distract the population when they need to implement their agendas by using 'covers' that capture the public interest. Hate to say it, but it's another form of control over the masses. Having said that I do beLIEve we're waking up to it!!!
Pretty durn exasperating when you can't even appreciate a positive news story in the world for once.. *collapse*
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Is it just me or do these miners look mighty clean? http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html (http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html) It reminds me of another "news" story, the BP Oil Spill. Does anyone see any oil anywhere in these photos? http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle ... Id=7061708 (http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9033571&contentId=7061708) Things that make me say hmmm... Right now, I am wondering if this miners story is even real and if not, then who planted the story and more importantly, why? Another distraction perhaps?
Exactly.. I'm thinking "Ok, what's REALLY going on in the world that they don't want us to pay attention to...?"
Yes! I knew i wasn't the only one that thought so. And after 2 months don't you think they would have grown Facial Hair?
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At least MJDH is being documented for a reveal eventually, which is more than I can say about TPTB/NWO. Whether operation phoenix was legit (doubt) or not (form of masonic accreditation) it makes you wonder what TPTB were really up to elsewhere while the population and media have been distracted. These players are well aware of how to distract the population when they need to implement their agendas by using 'covers' that capture the public interest. Hate to say it, but it's another form of control over the masses. Having said that I do beLIEve we're waking up to it!!!
Pretty durn exasperating when you can't even appreciate a positive news story in the world for once.. *collapse*
I'm quite happy to appreciate a good news story when it is a legitimate one without holes in it :shock: :lol:
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Heres another thought. They mentioned that the men formed a "Society" underground. Hmm... I know we've all heard about the Elites trying to build underground shelters. I feel that this was their test. To see how long you can survive without much oxygen, etc....
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Is it just me or do these miners look mighty clean? http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html (http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html) It reminds me of another "news" story, the BP Oil Spill. Does anyone see any oil anywhere in these photos? http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle ... Id=7061708 (http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9033571&contentId=7061708) Things that make me say hmmm... Right now, I am wondering if this miners story is even real and if not, then who planted the story and more importantly, why? Another distraction perhaps?
Exactly.. I'm thinking "Ok, what's REALLY going on in the world that they don't want us to pay attention to...?"
That is exactly what I was thinking. Something else is going on here.
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Is it just me or do these miners look mighty clean? http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html (http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/news/25375647/detail.html) It reminds me of another "news" story, the BP Oil Spill. Does anyone see any oil anywhere in these photos? http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle ... Id=7061708 (http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9033571&contentId=7061708) Things that make me say hmmm... Right now, I am wondering if this miners story is even real and if not, then who planted the story and more importantly, why? Another distraction perhaps?
Exactly.. I'm thinking "Ok, what's REALLY going on in the world that they don't want us to pay attention to...?"
That is exactly what I was thinking. Something else is going on here.
At least MJDH is being documented for a reveal eventually, which is more than I can say about TPTB/NWO. Whether operation phoenix was legit (doubt) or not (form of masonic accreditation) it makes you wonder what TPTB were really up to elsewhere while the population and media have been distracted. These players are well aware of how to distract the population when they need to implement their agendas by using 'covers' that capture the public interest. Hate to say it, but it's another form of control over the masses. Having said that I do beLIEve we're waking up to it!!!
Pretty durn exasperating when you can't even appreciate a positive news story in the world for once.. *collapse*
PT...... just thinking of all the possibilities, that's what "free thinking" means to me.
Mo....agree about Iran......... also interesting stuff with Korea
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What do you think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM)
Also who stands to gain is NASA, as bill signed by Obama on Oct. 11
http://www.spacenews.com/policy/101011- ... -bill.html (http://www.spacenews.com/policy/101011-obama-signs-nasa-bill.html)
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What do you think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM)
Also who stands to gain is NASA, as bill signed by Obama on Oct. 11
http://www.spacenews.com/policy/101011- ... -bill.html (http://www.spacenews.com/policy/101011-obama-signs-nasa-bill.html)
Very interesting....
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Mo....agree about Iran......... also interesting stuff with Korea
Ahmadinejad slams Western 'monopoly' on peaceful nukes
By ASSOCIATED PRESS AND JPOST.COM STAFF
10/14/2010 12:38
Iranian leader awarded honorary doctorate from Lebanese University ahead of visit to Israeli border; gov't spokesman: "Iran's domination of Lebanon through its proxy Hizbullah has destroyed any chance for peace."
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was awarded an honorary doctorate in political sciences from the Lebanese University in Beirut, according to a Press TV report.
During his speech at the university, Ahmadinejad reportedly accused the West of blocking other countries from accessing peaceful nuclear technology.
“They have deprived other nations of this technology and have monopolized it,” Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.
The Iranian leader also slammed the US for its military policies in the Middle East, accusing Washington of killing innocent civilians in Afghanistan under the guise of the War on Terror.
Earlier on Thursday, Ahmadinejad called on all religious scholars and leaders to come together in solving challenges facing human societies during a meeting with Lebanese scholars, clerics and religious leaders on the second and last day of his visit to Lebanon, Press TV reported.
“Scholars of divine religions can put major challenges facing human societies on the agenda to find … solutions to them,” Ahmadinejad said, according to the Press TV report.
"All divine religions guide mankind to prosperity and invite human societies to monotheism, justice and friendship," he added.
Hizbullah supporters used mosque loudspeakers Thursday to rally crowds ahead of a trip by Iran's president to southern Lebanon near the border with Israel.
Ahmadinejad was scheduled to make a trip to Lebanon's Shi'ite heartland in the south and the Israeli border, which will emphasize Iran's support for Hizbullah's fight with Israel.
Residents of southern Lebanese were heading to Bint Jbeil, a border village that was bombed during the 2006 Israeli-Hizbullah war, to greet the Iranian president Thursday afternoon.
Many students in the south skipped school Thursday to await Ahmadinejad.
Government spokesman Mark Regev slammed the trip Thursday, saying "Iran's domination of Lebanon through its proxy Hizbullah has destroyed any chance for peace, has turned Lebanon into an Iranian satellite and made Lebanon a hub for regional terror and instability."
On Wednesday evening, Hizbullah held a General Assembly meeting and mass rally in Beirut in honor of Ahamdinejad. Speaking to the assembled supporters at the event via an interpreter, Ahmadinejad praised Lebanon for being an "example" and called it a "university for Jihad." Lebanon and Iran, he said, are "two nations that love each other and have much in common," primarily the fight against Israel.
He went on to speak about the "Zionist regime," attacking Israel for "the massacre of innocent people" and "violations of international law."
http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Arti ... 91355&R=R1 (http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Article.aspx?ID=191355&R=R1)
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I think that they need a new 9/11 type event before they invade Iran...and maybe even worse than 9/11 :?
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Guys, please realise that a much smaller tunnel was built at first, when they discovered them alive. That's how they sent down all the stuff like water, nasa food, energy drinks and oxygen, paper to write with etc......
So they were well taken care off until the bigger tunnel could be drilled. They all requested shavers and shaving cream, clean clothes etc...to look presentable before re-appearing to the public.... And they were taken straight to hospital on a stretcher, as soon as they said hello to everyone....
And just to remind everyone, UFO's were seen over the USA today, but most of the world was focused on the rescue...
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Guys, please realise that a much smaller tunnel was built at first, when they discovered them alive. That's how they sent down all the stuff like water, nasa food, energy drinks and oxygen, paper to write with etc......
So they were well taken care off until the bigger tunnel could be drilled. They all requested shavers and shaving cream, clean clothes etc...to look presentable before re-appearing to the public.... And they were taken straight to hospital on a stretcher, as soon as they said hello to everyone....
And just to remind everyone, UFO's were seen over the USA today, but most of the world was focused on the rescue...
Yeah, and a camera and something they could watch some game on...they even had video conference calls. Sorry, but this story REALLY is a little strange when you look at all the facts. I have been sick and haven't read the forum in days, so this is the first time I read this thread, but even without this I saw that things were off. I was convinced when the first miner came up on the surface after midnight (something I predicted when they were postponing it constantly) during witching hour on the 13th, and when all off the sudden things were sped up to get them all out in less then 24 hours (so ALLrescued on the 13th). Some guy said it was magical, 33 people rescued on 13/10/10, which also makes 33. He called 33 a magical number, but it made my alarm bells go off big time. Big media hype, there must be something going on elsewhere we shouldn't pay attention to. Big chance it's Iran, but it could be something else we missed (which is their purpose of course).
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I wonder what other event would be happening on a par with Chile, provided the media distract the attention of people with other news and media coverage given to the first, all international news agencies and many national were "chained" by the news of the miners.
I remembered another case of a mine in Mexico, the event occurred in 2006, 63 Mexican miners were buried three years ago in a mine in Coahuila, without attempting to rescue them. 65 miners who were 150 meters compared to 700 for the Chilean mine.
In February 2006 an explosion at the Pasta de Conchos mine, 65 miners buried 150 meters. Eleven of them managed to survive with some burns. The mine gas explosion shot blocked mine entrance, and the risks posed to recover the bodies, "according to the owners of the mine" and authorities are still buried 63 of the 65 dead and only two bodies were recovered .
I really am very surprised that NASA moved to Chile to "help", and in the case of Mexico they did not even the hint.
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I really am very surprised that NASA moved to Chile to "help", and in the case of Mexico they did not even the hint.
Exactly...
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Summary of the Korean news...............13/10/10
Sth Korea has joined in naval drills with the US, Australia and Japan aimed at intercepting illicit weapon shipments targeting nations such as Nth Korea (and Iran). Nth Korea has long warned it would consider Seoul's participation as a declaration of war, however so far the Nth Korean state media has remained silent.
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Yeah, and a camera and something they could watch some game on...they even had video conference calls. Sorry, but this story REALLY is a little strange when you look at all the facts. I have been sick and haven't read the forum in days, so this is the first time I read this thread, but even without this I saw that things were off. I was convinced when the first miner came up on the surface after midnight (something I predicted when they were postponing it constantly) during witching hour on the 13th, and when all off the sudden things were sped up to get them all out in less then 24 hours (so ALLrescued on the 13th). Some guy said it was magical, 33 people rescued on 13/10/10, which also makes 33. He called 33 a magical number, but it made my alarm bells go off big time. Big media hype, there must be something going on elsewhere we shouldn't pay attention to. Big chance it's Iran, but it could be something else we missed (which is their purpose of course).
The guy who referred to the day and the numbers as 'magical' was Chile's president. Same guy referred to in this article. He is a Freemason (which may explain the shitload of mason 'symbolism' with the whole 'event').
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.granlogia.cl%2Fnews%2Fcordial-y-fluida-fue-reunion-de-sebastian-pinera-con-gran-maestro-de-la-masoneria
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Did anyone catch Chile's president, during his speech last night, specifically thank Israel's PM Netanyahu? Just wondering if anyone has any info on how Israel may have contributed to the rescue efforts...I have tried finding info but no mention of Israel doing anything. Is it not strange that he would thank him, but forget to thank Obama for the documented US resources and personnel given to Chile for the rescue? It was, without a doubt, a 'prepared' speech, so it's not like he might have just forgotten to mention Obama. I've heard them list US, Canada, Argentina, Spain and Germany, but nothing about Israel...I may have just missed it though. Any info would be appreciated.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I wonder what other event would be happening on a par with Chile, provided the media distract the attention of people with other news and media coverage given to the first, all international news agencies and many national were "chained" by the news of the miners.
I remembered another case of a mine in Mexico, the event occurred in 2006, 63 Mexican miners were buried three years ago in a mine in Coahuila, without attempting to rescue them. 65 miners who were 150 meters compared to 700 for the Chilean mine.
In February 2006 an explosion at the Pasta de Conchos mine, 65 miners buried 150 meters. Eleven of them managed to survive with some burns. The mine gas explosion shot blocked mine entrance, and the risks posed to recover the bodies, "according to the owners of the mine" and authorities are still buried 63 of the 65 dead and only two bodies were recovered .
I really am very surprised that NASA moved to Chile to "help", and in the case of Mexico they did not even the hint.
Shit, we won't even pull our own guys out. 2 years ago a dozen or so miners were left alive after a mine collapse in West Virginia. That story quietly 'went away' as they discovered they could not drill far enough to reach them. The US left those men down there to die. They don't tell you those stories, it's understood that's the fate reserved for miners who survive the initial blasts and collapses, long, slow, torturous death.
This, I believe, is the first time anyone has been able to rescued trapped miners at any depth. Interesting.
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Two Aussie men survived being trapped underground in the Beaconsfield mine disaster in Tasmania 2 years ago. They were underground for 2 weeks and looked a lot worse upon rescue than these healthy robust looking miners. My Intuition radar is going off. This story does not feel right.
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Here's an interesting 'dot':
SANTIAGO | Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:42am EDT
SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Chilean President Sebastian Pinera has sold his television network Chilevision to media conglomerate Time Warner Inc (TWX.N), his holding company said on Wednesday, in a deal worth an estimated $150 million.
Pinera's holding company Bancard said in a statement it agreed to the sale of 100 percent of Chilevision's shares to a unit of Time Warner's Turner International.
Turner division president Juan Carlos Urdaneta will operate the network, Time Warner said in a statement.
For Time Warner, the Chilevision deal marks a further push into the fast-growing markets of Latin America. Time Warner bought seven pay television networks in the region operated by Claxson Interactive Group in 2006, in a deal valued at $235 million.
Pinera, a self-made billionaire, vowed to sell his main business interests, like Chilevision and his major share in Chile's main airline, LAN LAN.SN(LFL.N), before assuming the presidency in March. He has already sold his stake in LAN.
Citigroup served as Time Warner's financial adviser.
Shares of Time Warner dipped 0.7 percent to $29.60 in morning trade on the New York Stock Exchange.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67O37R20100825
Time Warner...might explain the 'made-for-TV' feel to the whole thing and the coverage of it. Wonder if there will be a Warner Bros. movie deal soon.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Two Aussie men survived being trapped underground in the Beaconsfield mine disaster in Tasmania 2 years ago. They were underground for 2 weeks and looked a lot worse upon rescue than these healthy robust looking miners. My Intuition radar is going off. This story does not feel right.
I'm thinking the same thing. Go to this article and look at the first picture of the guy named Richard Villarroel. Look at his facial hair! Perfectly groomed. Were they sent soap and shaving supplies while trapped underground? Is that a normal thing to do? I wouldn't think so but how else could that be explained? Unless of course the whole thing is staged. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664229/ns ... ?GT1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664229/ns/world_news-americas/?GT1=43001)
In the article is says this: "That tiny hole became an umbilical cord used to pass hydration gels, water and food to keep them alive until a bigger space could be bored to bring them up." So I guess they could have been given shaving tools, but would that be a priority???
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Two Aussie men survived being trapped underground in the Beaconsfield mine disaster in Tasmania 2 years ago. They were underground for 2 weeks and looked a lot worse upon rescue than these healthy robust looking miners. My Intuition radar is going off. This story does not feel right.
I'm thinking the same thing. Go to this article and look at the first picture of the guy named Richard Villarroel. Look at his facial hair! Perfectly groomed. Were they sent soap and shaving supplies while trapped underground? Is that a normal thing to do? I wouldn't think so but how else could that be explained? Unless of course the whole thing is staged. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664229/ns ... ?GT1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664229/ns/world_news-americas/?GT1=43001)
In the article is says this: "That tiny hole became an umbilical cord used to pass hydration gels, water and food to keep them alive until a bigger space could be bored to bring them up." So I guess they could have been given shaving tools, but would that be a priority???
I posted the link to this article earlier but here is the actual article. After reading this, my alarm bells just kept going off, none of this seems right and my gut feeling is, that it has all been staged.
Miners Defy Dire Predictions on Fitness and Spirit
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr. Published: October 13, 2010
Defying grim predictions about how they would fare after two months trapped underground, many of the Chilean miners came bounding out of their rescue capsule on Wednesday as pictures of energy and health, able not only to walk, but, in one case, to leap around, hug everyone in sight and lead cheers.
The miners’ apparent robustness was testimony to the rescue diet threaded down to them through the tiny borehole that reached them on Aug. 22, but also to the way they organized themselves to keep their environment clean, find water and get exercise. Another factor was the excellent medical care they received from Chilean doctors who ministered to them through tubes leading 2,300 feet into the earth.
Late on Wednesday, the last of the 33 miners was pulled to safety. Chile’s health minister, Jaime Mañalich, said that one miner had acute pneumonia but was improving with antibiotics, and that two others needed dental surgery. At the moment, he added, the rest seemed to be in “more than satisfactory” condition.
Indeed, the 27th miner to be rescued, Franklin Lobos, is a former soccer star who juggled a soccer ball on his foot moments after emerging from the capsule.
While many details of the miners’ health care and living conditions have been reported, misconceptions and misinformation persisted as the ordeal continued and as the public’s fascination with their deprivation increased. In recent days, some television and newspaper commentators had speculated that the men would develop the bends on the way up, or suffer heart attacks or blood clots. Some people said that their muscles would have atrophied, that they could have serious skin funguses, vitamin deficiencies and rotted teeth and be blinded by the daylight.
None of those predictions came true — and some bordered on the absurd.
“The bends?” said Dr. J. D. Polk, chief of space medicine for the Johnson Space Center of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, whom the Chileans consulted. “The miners were at sea level. The mine entrance is at 2,400 feet. They were no more at risk of getting the bends than you are going up to the 15th floor in your building.”
The men kept themselves fit and received excellent medical care. And they were not confined to the “rescue chamber,” the size of a Manhattan studio apartment. (The first drill bit reached the chamber in August and the miners attached a note to it saying that all 33 were alive.)
“They had the run of the mine,” said Jeffery H. Kravitz, acting director for technical support at the United States Mine Safety and Health Administration. With half a mile of tunnels open, he said, “they had places to exercise and to use for waste.” One miner ran several miles a day.
“They even had a sort of waterfall they could take a shower under,” Mr. Kravitz said. “They requested shampoo, and shaved for their families.”
Also, fresh air was pumped in, so asphyxiation was never a danger. While coal mines can fill with methane gas, the San José operation was a copper and gold mine. The air was nearly 90 degrees and humid, but it contained about 20 percent oxygen, like outside air. The men dug three wells, and had potable water.
Doctors from NASA and Chilean Navy officers with experience in submarines were consulted on the strains of prolonged confinement. Alberto Iturra, a psychologist, talked to the miners, sometimes several times a day, to sort through their frustrations and depression.
Over all, Chilean health authorities “did a phenomenal job,” Dr. Polk said.
Just after the miners were discovered alive on Aug. 22, they were in danger, he said. They had survived for 17 days on just two spoonfuls of tuna, a cup of milk, one cracker and a bit of a peach topping every other day. Their digestive and insulin systems had nearly shut down and they were breaking down their own fat and muscle tissue.
People on starvation diets can be killed by eating carbohydrates too quickly; as the body struggles to make insulin in response, it can upset the electrolyte balance, stopping the heart.
“We learned that the hard way in World War II, giving candy bars to prisoners of war and concentration camp inmates,” Dr. Polk said.
Urine test strips were sent down the tube, allowing Yonny Barrios, a miner with paramedic training, to report that about half the miners were dehydrated and spilling ketones and myoglobin proteins into their urine, a sign that their muscles were breaking down, from starvation and, possibly, from sleeping on hot rocks.
They were told to nearly double the amount of water they drank. Liquid gels with protein and vitamins were sent down the three-inch tube in packets known as “passenger pigeons.”
Slowly, day by day, their calories were increased to normal levels.
By Chilean Independence Day, Sept. 18, they were fully recovered and getting celebratory empanadas (baked as cylinders to fit down the tube), barbecued steak (cut into strips) and fresh papaya. Their request for wine was declined. They got cola.
(More recently, they had to be monitored to make sure they would fit in the rescue capsule, 26 inches in diameter.)
Eventually, all sorts of comfort goods were going down three narrow tubes: dismantled camp beds, clean clothes, letters, movies, dominoes, tiny Bibles, toothbrushes, skin creams. The smokers were first allowed only gum and nicotine patches, but doctors eventually relented and let 40 cigarettes a day go down.
The tubes also accommodated fiber optic cables and, by the end, each miner was getting a daily video consultation with a doctor. They also had jobs to do, including reinforcing walls and clearing debris from the rescue drills.
Mr. Barrios also took blood pressure readings, sent up urine and blood samples and gave shots against tetanus, pneumonia, meningitis and flu.
Mario Gómez, 63, the oldest miner, had silicosis — a respiratory disease caused by breathing rock dust — and was helped by inhalers, though he developed pneumonia. Another miner with diabetes received insulin.
Contrary to a rumor, the miners were not in the disorienting dark all the time. Small fluorescent lights were sent down early in their ordeal and a circadian rhythm was kept up, with a red light at nighttime.
The rumor about the bends, Dr. Kravitz said, could have arisen from the 2002 Quecreek mine rescue in Pennsylvania, in which pressurized air was pumped into a flooding mine to hold back water. Ten compression chambers were set up in case any miner got the bends, but none did. The bends, or decompression sickness, is a threat to scuba divers who surface too quickly; nitrogen that dissolved into their blood when they were under heavy water pressure comes out and collects as bubbles in their joints and blood vessels, causing pain and, in extreme cases, death.
Early on in the crisis, the Chilean authorities asked for advice from NASA, which has experience in keeping astronauts physically and mentally healthy.
All the miners came out of the capsules in expensive dark glasses — donated by Oakley — to protect them from the sun, but the main health effect they all shared was very pale skin from being in the dark so long.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/world/americas/14medical.html?pagewanted=2&/?src=mtwt&_r=2&twt=mnytimes
Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel ~ Michael Jackson
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I am so proud to be part of a group that sees through all this.
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Hum! Am I really awake? :shock: :shock:
33 miners who had been drilling for 33 days... being rescued on 10/13/10... 10+13+10=33... 33, 33, 33... and the 33rd Parallel (South) crosses Chile!
It is also interesting to note that, if this event is meant to be a media distraction for events happening elsewhere - then the 2 countries Korea and Iran (mentioned in previous posts) do also have territories on the 33rd Parallel (North).
Clearly, this makes for a lot of 33's! and following all of the discussions about probability and coincidences, it would be silly of me to argue that the repetition of this master number is just a coincidence!
And I won't! However, I simply know that the web is full of conspiracy theories that never appear to be fully solved - MYSTERY for ever! - before we get into a big rabbit hole, how do we know it is going to be any different this time?
I have Faith that MJ is alive and with us, but how does this all fit together without bringing a spiritual (God, Jesus Christ, Messiah) perspective into the mix?
I have been searching for the answer with no avail! If Lucifer/Satan is on one side then Christ/God has got to be on the other side!
This really puzzles me!
If this is a "social experiment", somebody is making it feel very real! ;)
Further reading:
The number 33 is a strong number in masonic terms and you will find below 2 articles I found helpful:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1766.cfm
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/10oct/33.html
With L.O.V.E
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The fact that they got those miners out alive, that they ALL survived, is a miracle, a glimpse of things to come. I believe that this is a sign to us, that prophets and prophesy are real, and in time all truths will come to pass. I cried my eyes out watching those men emerge out of that capsule. It is so incredible what the minds of man can accomplish when they work together faithfully towards the same end to the means.
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[youtube:1nii7ybb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM[/youtube:1nii7ybb]
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:shock: What? :shock: Get out :shock: I'm through dealing if this is what this turns out to be. I've been worried sick about those men and was on pins and needles hoping nothing would malfunction on their journey back to the world. God, please don't let this have all been a stunt.
Michael get back here. We still got some learning to do.
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All I know is that there have been a lot of very strange things happening lately...Change is definitely on its way! Watching those miners reunite with their loved ones, brought tears to my eyes each time...it was very moving. But My husband and I have been talking about how something just didn't seem right...a gut feeling. I automatically thought, "I wonder what is going on in the rest of the world, that we aren't aware of". It was an automatic thought...What can any of us truly believe is the truth, when we have been fed so much BS by these sources?
I'm glad that i'm awake to these things, because I believe we need to be wide awake, for what is to come!
Love and Blessings to you all :) <3
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[youtube:fdgqpin4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM[/youtube:fdgqpin4]
im sorry but i had to laugh, if this is true then the media is so fucking dumb :lol:
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:shock: What? :shock: Get out :shock: I'm through dealing if this is what this turns out to be. I've been worried sick about those men and was on pins and needles hoping nothing would malfunction on their journey back to the world. God, please don't let this have all been a stunt.
Michael get back here. We still got some learning to do.
Thinking loud and out of the Box, if the Chilean Miners accident is a Hoax, the puppet master of the hoax made sure that this could not be missed by the average conspiracy theorists with open eyes!
Look at the 33's, the Phoenix connection, the V crane, the healthy looking miners, the Time Warner connection....etc
:shock: :idea: If it is a Hoax, MJ could have had a finger in this... Thoughts? :shock:
Straight Jacket on... Running into my padded cell! :oops:
With L.O.V.E
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[youtube:f577btiv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM[/youtube:f577btiv]
im sorry but i had to laugh, if this is true then the media is so fucking dumb :lol:
Well they have been fooling people for ages, so I wonder who is the dumbest here...
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Jeremiah 10:13 (The Message) Miners rescued on 13th October.....10:13 in the bible.
Just a coincidence..
-"Tell them this, 'The stick gods
who made nothing, neither sky nor earth,
Will come to nothing
on the earth and under the sky.'"
But it is God whose power made the earth,
whose wisdom gave shape to the world,
who crafted the cosmos.
He thunders, and rain pours down.
He sends the clouds soaring.
He embellishes the storm with lightnings,
launches wind from his warehouse.
Stick-god worshipers looking mighty foolish,
god-makers embarrassed by their handmade gods!
Their gods are frauds—dead sticks,
deadwood gods, tasteless jokes.
When the fires of judgment come, they'll be ashes.
So everyone is focused in the Chilian President, and saying he is the Saviour, the hero..
Hmmmmmmmmm. xoxo
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If all that is hoax, in order that?, we all saw this Masonic ritual, and now the president Sebastian Piñera is the savior, the hero, and all the mass media doing the choir there is this.., to that it was the NASA to Chile. SECONDHAND MINERS IN ORDER THAT PIÑERA IS RAISED TO THE DEGREE 33 BY MASON ILLUMINATI.... :?:
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I'm not sure about some of the accuracy of information in this video but it's definitely an interesting perspective :o
[youtube:p2dst19r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMn8Axqz92A&feature=sub[/youtube:p2dst19r]
With L.O.V.E. always.
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PT...... just thinking of all the possibilities, that's what "free thinking" means to me.
Well I wasn't harping on you, I was complaining about exactly the point you've made, that due to the fact that we're all free thinkers and investigators here we can never appreciate a positive news story.
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And here I was just going to hide behind my computer...try not to think that I thought for sure something fishy is going on and to never mention my opinion to the outside world.
This is crazy, kind of scary and was also wondering the same thing about "what is the media avoiding now" with the steady coverage. sigh...
On CNN tonight - have you seen their group photo? haha... I just love their sunglasses !!!!!
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:shock: What? :shock: Get out :shock: I'm through dealing if this is what this turns out to be. I've been worried sick about those men and was on pins and needles hoping nothing would malfunction on their journey back to the world. God, please don't let this have all been a stunt.
Michael get back here. We still got some learning to do.
Thinking loud and out of the Box, if the Chilean Miners accident is a Hoax, the puppet master of the hoax made sure that this could not be missed by the average conspiracy theorists with open eyes!
Look at the 33's, the Phoenix connection, the V crane, the healthy looking miners, the Time Warner connection....etc
:shock: :idea: If it is a Hoax, MJ could have had a finger in this... Thoughts? :shock:
Straight Jacket on... Running into my padded cell! :oops:
With L.O.V.E
No need for the jacket RG.......... the way I see it, the MJHD has acted exactly as it was meant to in that it's a catalyst to wake people up to what other deceptions may be going on in the world. Having said that, not every event that occurs will be a hoax but I'm suspicious enough to think that TPTB would use any event that captures the public's attention and distracts them for a period of time, to further their own interests. It's my view that TPTB have an agenda list as long as their arm and whenever an appropriate distraction occurs (whether legitimate or not) they can use it as a 'cover' to implement whatever plans they may have without attracting any or little public attention. It's quite ingenious really in its simplicity and has been around as long as there have been wars. Think of things like the Olympics, Royal weddings or even the Superbowl, where there are literally millions of people distracted........ on that note, I wonder how TPTB took advantage of the global "mourning" that began on June 25 2009!!
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Regarding media cover ups - just think back what happened in the beginning of June... That was when the media hype "Joran van der Sloot killed Stephany Flores Ramirez" started. I smell a big fat rat in that story.
- Stephany Flores was murdered exactly 5 years after Natalee Holloway disappeared.
- Joran told his mother before she was murdered that he was being followed.
- Joran booked a room on his own name and left the dead girl there.
- There was a security camera positioned exactly across his room which provided excellent footage.
- Stephany Flores was murdered in the night of May 30, and after an autopsy was performed her death certificate was signed on June 2. On the death certificate it says "corpse in an advanced state of decay", yet the average temperature in Lima didn't rise above 20°C / 68°F during the days her body was lying in the hotel room.
What took place during those first days of the Joran van der Sloot media hype? Exactly, the Bilderberg Top in Barcelona.
Flashback to 2005, the first Joran van der Sloot media hype. Do you remember when this started..? Right, during the Jury deliberations of the Michael Jackson child molestation trial... I remember that Aphrodite Jones wrote about how quickly the media, who were still in Santa Barbara, packed their stuff and moved to Aruba to report about the Holloway case instead of thoroughly reporting about MJ's acquittal. I smell a rat right there as well, and also in the Holloway case...[/b]
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knew you Chile is one of the countries that is at the forefront of the fight against the new order world country that has a huge amount of people awake and aware of how the MURDERERS of the human SER handle human herd as criminal way. What aim the sending on television to the world's population Kabbalistic symbols contained in the closure of 33 miners? what hidden intentions encloses this ritual against freedom of the human being?.
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Regarding media cover ups - just think back what happened in the beginning of June... That was when the media hype "Joran van der Sloot killed Stephany Flores Ramirez" started. I smell a big fat rat in that story.
- Stephany Flores was murdered exactly 5 years after Natalee Holloway disappeared.
- Joran told his mother before she was murdered that he was being followed.
- Joran booked a room on his own name and left the dead girl there.
- There was a security camera positioned exactly across his room which provided excellent footage.
- Stephany Flores was murdered in the night of May 30, and after an autopsy was performed her death certificate was signed on June 2. On the death certificate it says "corpse in an advanced state of decay", yet the average temperature in Lima didn't rise above 20°C / 68°F during the days her body was lying in the hotel room.
What took place during those first days of the Joran van der Sloot media hype? Exactly, the Bilderberg Top in Barcelona.
Flashback to 2005, the first Joran van der Sloot media hype. Do you remember when this started..? Right, during the Jury deliberations of the Michael Jackson child molestation trial... I remember that Aphrodite Jones wrote about how quickly the media, who were still in Santa Barbara, packed their stuff and moved to Aruba to report about the Holloway case instead of thoroughly reporting about MJ's acquittal. I smell a rat right there as well, and also in the Holloway case...[/b]
Following that rule:
June 25th 2009
EAPC Security Forum
Astana, Kazakhstan, 24 Jun. 2009 – 25 Jun. 2009
Security Forum discusses key challenges in Central Asia
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/events_55740.htm (http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/events_55740.htm)
25 Jun 2009 ... of 25 June 2009 establishing a Community framework for the nuclear safety of nuclear installations. THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, ...
http://www.snus.sk/dokumenty/EU%20Direc ... %20eng.pdf (http://www.snus.sk/dokumenty/EU%20Directive%2071-2009%20final%20eng.pdf)
Preparation Environment Council, 25 June 2009
The last formal Environment Council under the Czech Presidency will be held on 25 June in Luxembourg
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct ... &type=HTML (http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/285&type=HTML)
Iran crisis: live
Another opposition protest is planned today amid signs of behind-the-scenes manoeuvring to calm anger about Iran's disputed election and reports that Britons have been arrested in the latest crackdown. Follow live updates
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/200 ... ran-crisis (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/25/iran-crisis)
And a looooong etc
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:shock: What? :shock: Get out :shock: I'm through dealing if this is what this turns out to be. I've been worried sick about those men and was on pins and needles hoping nothing would malfunction on their journey back to the world. God, please don't let this have all been a stunt.
Michael get back here. We still got some learning to do.
Thinking loud and out of the Box, if the Chilean Miners accident is a Hoax, the puppet master of the hoax made sure that this could not be missed by the average conspiracy theorists with open eyes!
Look at the 33's, the Phoenix connection, the V crane, the healthy looking miners, the Time Warner connection....etc
:shock: :idea: If it is a Hoax, MJ could have had a finger in this... Thoughts? :shock:
Straight Jacket on... Running into my padded cell! :oops:
With L.O.V.E
No need for the jacket RG.......... the way I see it, the MJHD has acted exactly as it was meant to in that it's a catalyst to wake people up to what other deceptions may be going on in the world. Having said that, not every event that occurs will be a hoax but I'm suspicious enough to think that TPTB would use any event that captures the public's attention and distracts them for a period of time, to further their own interests. It's my view that TPTB have an agenda list as long as their arm and whenever an appropriate distraction occurs (whether legitimate or not) they can use it as a 'cover' to implement whatever plans they may have without attracting any or little public attention. It's quite ingenious really in its simplicity and has been around as long as there have been wars. Think of things like the Olympics, Royal weddings or even the Superbowl, where there are literally millions of people distracted........ on that note, I wonder how TPTB took advantage of the global "mourning" that began on June 25 2009!!
Thank You BlackJack, Jacket off....... I was getting hot!
I totally agree that media diversion is a common tactics to distract the public from unpopular decisions, and it seems to work like a charm!
25th June 2009? The first thought that came to mind was the story about the revealing of the Ark of the Covenant that just quietly went away; I also remember some unrest in Iran and the arrest of a British citizen for taking part in the riots around the same time, this also fizzled out quietly.
Could either of those news have a much greater future implications? The Ark of the Covenant is a potentially interesting one! Iran is an on-going "story"!
With L.O.V.E
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knew you Chile is one of the countries that is at the forefront of the fight against the new order world country that has a huge amount of people awake and aware of how the MURDERERS of the human SER handle human herd as criminal way. What aim the sending on television to the world's population Kabbalistic symbols contained in the closure of 33 miners? what hidden intentions encloses this ritual against freedom of the human being?.
University of Chile's logo:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Uchile.svg/304px-Uchile.svg.png)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chile
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Regarding media cover ups - just think back what happened in the beginning of June... That was when the media hype "Joran van der Sloot killed Stephany Flores Ramirez" started. I smell a big fat rat in that story.
- Stephany Flores was murdered exactly 5 years after Natalee Holloway disappeared.
- Joran told his mother before she was murdered that he was being followed.
- Joran booked a room on his own name and left the dead girl there.
- There was a security camera positioned exactly across his room which provided excellent footage.
- Stephany Flores was murdered in the night of May 30, and after an autopsy was performed her death certificate was signed on June 2. On the death certificate it says "corpse in an advanced state of decay", yet the average temperature in Lima didn't rise above 20°C / 68°F during the days her body was lying in the hotel room.
What took place during those first days of the Joran van der Sloot media hype? Exactly, the Bilderberg Top in Barcelona.
Flashback to 2005, the first Joran van der Sloot media hype. Do you remember when this started..? Right, during the Jury deliberations of the Michael Jackson child molestation trial... I remember that Aphrodite Jones wrote about how quickly the media, who were still in Santa Barbara, packed their stuff and moved to Aruba to report about the Holloway case instead of thoroughly reporting about MJ's acquittal. I smell a rat right there as well, and also in the Holloway case...[/b]
Following that rule:
June 25th 2009
EAPC Security Forum
Astana, Kazakhstan, 24 Jun. 2009 – 25 Jun. 2009
Security Forum discusses key challenges in Central Asia
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/events_55740.htm (http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/events_55740.htm)
25 Jun 2009 ... of 25 June 2009 establishing a Community framework for the nuclear safety of nuclear installations. THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, ...
http://www.snus.sk/dokumenty/EU%20Direc ... %20eng.pdf (http://www.snus.sk/dokumenty/EU%20Directive%2071-2009%20final%20eng.pdf)
Preparation Environment Council, 25 June 2009
The last formal Environment Council under the Czech Presidency will be held on 25 June in Luxembourg
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct ... &type=HTML (http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/285&type=HTML)
Iran crisis: live
Another opposition protest is planned today amid signs of behind-the-scenes manoeuvring to calm anger about Iran's disputed election and reports that Britons have been arrested in the latest crackdown. Follow live updates
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/200 ... ran-crisis (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/25/iran-crisis)
And a looooong etc
Let's continue:
I remember the news from just before 06/25/2007 about the alleged election fraud in Iran. To be honest I never learned the outcome of it, as the news was taken over by the whole MJ saga. Now we have the whole shit going down with Iranian president Ahmadinejad and the "Iran is going to nuke" stories. Last year a friend of mine told me she saw a documentary on TV about MJ being murdered to take the attention away from the Iranian elections. Unfortunately she doesn't remember who broadcasted the documentary.
Indeed TheRunningGirl, also the attention was taken away from the Ark of the Covenant which was going to be unveiled.
Forward to July 2009:
From profits to ethics: pope calls for a new political and financial world order
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 7 July 2009 21.05 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju ... cial-order (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/pope-new-political-financial-order)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r43-9Y6t ... _embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r43-9Y6tLf0&feature=player_embedded#)!
Chile responds to global tyranny - March Anti NWO 2010, October 16 ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r43-9Y6tLf0&feature=player_embedded#!
Chile responds to global tyranny - March Anti NWO 2010, October 16 ;)
(http://www.sybvanderploeg-info.nl/images/smiles/smiley_clap.gif)
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[attachment=1:1umbq88b]handsign2.jpg[/attachment:1umbq88b]
[attachment=0:1umbq88b]handsign1.jpg[/attachment:1umbq88b]
from: http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/weltgesc ... ngede.html (http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/weltgeschehen/article9251762/So-erging-es-den-Grubenopfern-von-Lengede.html)
+ Jesus Film Project T-Shirts? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/1 ... -t-shirts/ (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/14/the-story-behind-the-chilean-miners-jesus-t-shirts/)
This is sooo strange... :arrow: :?:
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Let's continue:
I remember the news from just before 06/25/2007 about the alleged election fraud in Iran. To be honest I never learned the outcome of it, as the news was taken over by the whole MJ saga. Now we have the whole shit going down with Iranian president Ahmadinejad and the "Iran is going to nuke" stories. Last year a friend of mine told me she saw a documentary on TV about MJ being murdered to take the attention away from the Iranian elections. Unfortunately she doesn't remember who broadcasted the documentary.
Indeed TheRunningGirl, also the attention was taken away from the Ark of the Covenant which was going to be unveiled.
Forward to July 2009:
From profits to ethics: pope calls for a new political and financial world order
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 7 July 2009 21.05 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju ... cial-order (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/pope-new-political-financial-order)
Yes, it also kept my attention the death date and the memorial date with other events going around the world (if those were not a hoax either).
About the Ark of the Convenant just to say that we all know that it was discovered back in 81 by Ron Wyatt and never saw the public light. Why?
It is said that once is revealed ( the original one) it can create another war of religions.
No one knows where the Ark is really placed....looks like MJ´s coffin....they say is burried at Forest Lawn but the truth seem to be that is not....
On another note and errolling briefly in to another topic (Sorry, thread highjacking ;) ) I do see a connection between the Ark of the convenant and this MJ´s hoax.
The Ark is supossed to hold the truth, the tablets of God´s commandments....the law to clear the sins...
MJ´s Golden casket follows the same pattern.....
Anyway, the revelation of the Ark in Ethiopia looks like it turned out to be a hoax...
Back to the trapped miners, I did not pay much attention to the story, I was too busy solving the clues of this hoax ;)
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At 11:11 p.m., Eastern Standard Time -- USA, the first of 33 miners surfaced.
The power of the human spirit is astounding.
at 11.11pm??Hmmm, what are the ODDS of that :o
hope they'll get them all out safely
Just out of curiosity, i wonder if there is anything else happening in the world today that this could be taking the spotlight off?? Don't mind me, just a wee bit more sceptical these days :D :shock:
Do you know I had that same thought also myself when I was watching the news :shock: We have learned a lot these last 15 months :shock:
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Yes maybe that this is to distract the people's attention away from what is really going on...but this is maybe also a sign sent for those versed in this cult around the world...meaning that they make rituals only fully understood by those in the know...this can be a signal as to say we're moving on the next level or something like that...a kind of coded message. Of course we have seen that something sounded wrong but not the majority of the people are aware of these symbols and for them this story is just genuine.
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Let's continue:
I remember the news from just before 06/25/2007 about the alleged election fraud in Iran. To be honest I never learned the outcome of it, as the news was taken over by the whole MJ saga. Now we have the whole shit going down with Iranian president Ahmadinejad and the "Iran is going to nuke" stories. Last year a friend of mine told me she saw a documentary on TV about MJ being murdered to take the attention away from the Iranian elections. Unfortunately she doesn't remember who broadcasted the documentary.
Indeed TheRunningGirl, also the attention was taken away from the Ark of the Covenant which was going to be unveiled.
Forward to July 2009:
From profits to ethics: pope calls for a new political and financial world order
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 7 July 2009 21.05 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju ... cial-order (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/pope-new-political-financial-order)
Yes, it also kept my attention the death date and the memorial date with other events going around the world (if those were not a hoax either).
About the Ark of the Convenant just to say that we all know that it was discovered back in 81 by Ron Wyatt and never saw the public light. Why?
It is said that once is revealed ( the original one) it can create another war of religions.
No one knows where the Ark is really placed....looks like MJ´s coffin....they say is burried at Forest Lawn but the truth seem to be that is not....
On another note and errolling briefly in to another topic (Sorry, thread highjacking ;) ) I do see a connection between the Ark of the convenant and this MJ´s hoax.
The Ark is supossed to hold the truth, the tablets of God´s commandments....the law to clear the sins...
MJ´s Golden casket follows the same pattern.....
Anyway, the revelation of the Ark in Ethiopia looks like it turned out to be a hoax...
Back to the trapped miners, I did not pay much attention to the story, I was too busy solving the clues of this hoax ;)
@ MO - Thanks for including my previous comments into the main post on the 25th June 2009 main news
@Gema - your post makes me :lol: :lol: I wish I had a little sign post saying "THREAD HIJACKED", I could wave at you!
1. Ark of the Covenant: A few facts
- Ron Wyatt claimed to have discovered the Ark in 1989 but this was never proven! Some said it was a Hoax
- The Ethiopian revelation on the 25th June 2009 may or may not have been a Hoax but I agree that it was later discredited as a Hoax in the press. 2 options: "Somebody" created a timely Hoax or it was not a Hoax!
- The Ark has (officially) not been seen for over 2000 years
- Various theories exist regarding the provenance of the Ark and whether it is a physical "object" or not
- In Revelation 11:19, the Ark is described as being in heaven, just before the woman clothed with the sun appears
- The Ark of the covenant does have a strong connection with the MJ Hoax ... the details of which have yet to be discovered 8-)
So yes, this is a fascinating topic and we have yet to discover the link between the MJ Hoax and the Ark of the Covenant...
With L.O.V.E
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@Gema - your post makes me :lol: :lol: I wish I had a little sign post saying "THREAD HIJACKED", I could wave at you!
;)
1. Ark of the Covenant: A few facts
- Ron Wyatt claimed to have discovered the Ark in 1989 but this was never proven! Some said it was a Hoax
It was in 1981. He started in 1978. By chance, he found himself in Israel digging in the sea and ended up finding the ark. There are many theories about who saw the ark ;)
Hoax or not, it´s an incredible story!
- The Ark has (officially) not been seen for over 2000 years
It is also said that the "secret" needs to be kept or a huge religious war could be happening.
The most curious thing about that archeaologist, a Bible archeologist btw, is that he mentioned that the "blood of the Lord" that he found in his excavations was examined and it had 24 cromosomes :? Obiously, that can´t be possible.
(May be we need to move this topic to the visions thread ;) )
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So that would mean that on June 25th and the surrounding events like the memorial, since those were planned by MJ and his flunkies, TPTB were taken by surprise at first, but they already had plans for what they wanted to do next time some event happens to distract the world? Because they didn't stage the "death" the way they usually stage a distraction- like these miners- they weren't expecting it.
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So that would mean that on June 25th and the surrounding events like the memorial, since those were planned by MJ and his flunkies, TPTB were taken by surprise at first, but they already had plans for what they wanted to do next time some event happens to distract the world? Because they didn't stage the "death" the way they usually stage a distraction- like these miners- they weren't expecting it.
This is a possible Theory PinkTopaz; TPTB either plan their own "Distraction" events, use planned main events (E.g. Sporting events, Social events...etc) or make the best possible use of "unexpected events".
This would give them plenty of options to get their agenda through; as we are living in an increasingly global world, there are many more opportunities to distract the public than there ever has been, I guess. So I agree with BlackJack (see quote below) that it is possible for TPTB to be opportunistic at time.
It's my view that TPTB have an agenda list as long as their arm and whenever an appropriate distraction occurs (whether legitimate or not) they can use it as a 'cover' to implement whatever plans they may have without attracting any or little public attention. It's quite ingenious really in its simplicity and has been around as long as there have been wars. Think of things like the Olympics, Royal weddings or even the Superbowl, where there are literally millions of people distracted........
The challenge as I see it, is to be able to differentiate between "Hoax events" and Real events, and I don't think TPTB would be that silly as to leaving too many clues for "Conspiracy theorists" to bite at... unless they think that the Big majority of people is soooo conditioned that it does not matter anyway, they will NOT recognise the "Signs"!
With L.O.V.E
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Wow I'm late :?
I just read through all 6 pages I really have to applaud all the investigators. A lot of research was done, I'm not sure if I think this is a hoax, to distract something else going on, because the first thing I noticed was that they were all clean, shaven, looked very healthy. After being stuck underground for about 2 months straight, you'd think they'd be dirty and have at least a stubble, unless razor blades and shaving cream were sent down :shock: :lol:
or if it really did happen. But it's all so strange, the t-shirts that Mo was talking about. Why send down t-shirts, and change the flag... making the pentagram have two points up, like satanism? :? & the agreement they all had to sign 17 days in? What was that about? Okay, I feel like I'm crazy. & I'm so confused
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Link to the BBC Article in full inclusive of Video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11557578
17 October 2010 Last updated at 09:35
Chilean President Sebastian Pinera sees London sights
Chile's president is to visit the British Museum and Churchill War Rooms in London, on the second day of his visit to the UK.
The main business of Sebastian Pinera's trip will take place on Monday, when he meets the Queen and David Cameron.
Mr Pinera, whose country is still celebrating the rescue of 33 trapped miners, told reporters: "It started as a tragedy and it ended as a blessing."
He brought fragments of rock from the San Jose mine as gifts for his hosts.
"I asked the miners to bring one rock each so I can give it to the Queen and to David Cameron," Mr Pinera, who arrived in the UK on Saturday before a European tour, told the BBC.
He also brought a copy of the first message that the miners sent to the surface after what he called 17 "anguished" days of searching. (Note: See the note on the Video - 33 clearly visible)
The rescue of the miners after 69 days has made headlines worldwide.
Thirty-one of the miners have now been released from hospital, with the remaining two being transferred to other hospitals.
One is suffering from a dental infection and the second is suffering from vertigo symptoms.
Speaking after landing at Heathrow on Saturday, Mr Pinera described how the rescuers refused to give up the search.
"We committed ourselves to do whatever was necessary to save their lives," he said.
"We had a commitment that we would search for the miners as if they were our sons. It started as a tragedy and it ended as a blessing."
Inspired by Churchill
Shortly after he landed at London's Heathrow Airport on Saturday, and as he prepared to meet members of the UK's Chilean community, he paid tribute to his homeland.
Mr Pinera said his country had shown the world "a good example of the real meaning of commitment, courage, faith hope and unity."
He said: "We did it because we were united, we did it because we were convinced, and did it because we would never leave anyone behind. And that's a very good principle for Chile and for the world."
Earlier the 60-year-old said Winston Churchill's "blood, toil, tears and sweat" speech had provided inspiration to him during the battle to save the miners.
Fittingly, he was visiting Churchill's War Rooms in London on Sunday.
Mr Pinera also said he ignored political advice to steer clear of the rescue effort.
"Many people thought the rescue was impossible and advised me not to get involved, to keep my distance," he said.
"I decided to take full responsibility without any political consideration.... We made a commitment to look for the miners as if they were our sons."
Like Mr Cameron, Mr Pinera was only elected this year, and his visit to London is thought to have been planned many months ago.
He is thought to be hoping to persuade more British companies, including mining corporations, to invest in Chile.
After sightseeing in London on Sunday, he will meet Mr Cameron and have an audience with the Queen on Monday, who has extended an invitation at the last minute following the mine rescue.
On Saturday, Mr Pinera, who greeted the miners with a hug after their rescue, said he was looking forward to both meetings.
He said: "We have a great admiration for David Cameron. He is a very good friend of ours. He was able to create a new majority to transform and modernise the Conservative Party and to find new solutions for old problems and that's something that I'm sure will be very good for England."
He said he had also bought them a copy of the first message the miners had sent to the surface after they were trapped. It read: "We are well in the shelter, the 33".
He continued: "And also we are bringing the gratitude of all the Chileans because we received a lot of help from our friends around the world."
The Harvard-educated politician said lessons had to be learned from what had happened with the mine.
He said: "One of the lessons is that we have to be much more careful and committed with the safety, lives, the health of our workers."
He is visiting France and Germany later this week.
Mr Pinera had earlier revealed that his father-in-law died only hours before the miners were rescued and he had told the president: "Don't give up. Keep working to rescue the miners."
Latest BBC Coverage of the Miners accident, it is interesting that Sebastian Pinera is now in London and will then be visiting France and Germany; he is bringing some stones from the mine and a copy of the first message sent by the miners following the accident: "We are well in the shelter, the 33" (Translated)
The short video is worthwhile listening to, I made note of the sentence "We share a commitment, to build a better World for every one" as it stood out in the context of a NWO.
The mining accident is definitely going to increase the media coverage of Sebastian Pinera visit to Europe top 3!
If I switch my leather cap for my conspiracy hat (As one does! ;) ) then I see a number of reasons why this "accident" and its timing would be convenient (whether hoax or reality):
--->Impressive media coverage (continuing through the Presidential visit to Europe) that can be used to distract the public attention from other events happening elsewhere
--->The light is shining on Chile, this may have a positive impact on foreign investments in the country (MONEY!)
--->A visible signal for the NWO (If it is a NWO event) with this number "33" being shown at each single opportunity (Why making those signals so obvious? Would the NWO really be so careless? I am struggling with those 2 questions!)
Food for thought!
With L.O.V.E
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Monday October 18, 2010October 1933: Masonry and media manipulation in the rescue of the Chilean Mining
Author: Aleister Cromby and Witch Pijamasurf
The rescue of the miners was a massive rebirth ritual Masonic clear echoes; sincromístico symbology and analysis of this event.
It's hard not to be a killjoy, moved by the heroes of the underworld came to light again, uniting a country, its effectiveness twinned rescuer for his empathy, sharing emotions, great lone star waving in the desert (which a BBC reporter described as "like Mars with life") and the blue sky which penetrates the minds of the people prostrated themselves before the television in a historical moment of global community ... to the epics of all journalists in different countries world within their differences exalt all the song of human hope, almost a song of Neruda, miners, copper, America, land that elevates your spiritual condor ... is easy to overlook the collective narcosis, handling and orchestrated the mass ritual in the temple of television.
However, the following will not devalue seeks virtue and zeal of the Chilean miners or the good wishes of the people whose thoughts are surely directed light relief. Seeks to shed a different light the lights of television or the lights of Phoenix from NASA, aims to explore the possibility that these global events are ritual events that are due to black magic in his Kabbalistic underground sincromística than mere coincidence.
33. Everyone noticed this recurrent metamasónico production number in the rescue of the miners. The president of Chile, the main protagonist of this rescue, with a meteoric rise in popularity (Piñera had 56% approval before finding the miners after finding 65% and 75% to rescue them: that is what is called good disaster management picture), did even publicly saying that 33 is the magic number.
Media from 33 countries had officially registered in the rescue. Many of them echoed the patent number (the Mexican newspaper Milenio even devoting a footnote to 33). And, or the universe likes to play, and cosmic intelligence covertly organizes numerological, or are the lodges at the top of the pyramid to make it all fit into a highly symbolic numerical code. And the inevitable question: what actually had to wait for rescue on 13 October and numerological shrouded in between births, or could have done before?
"As everyone knows were 33 miners trapped in the underworld, in the chamber of initiation.
- By adding the message issued for the first time miners "are well in the shelter's 33", you get 33 characters.
- In the 17 days that remain missing is announced that the miners are still alive, coincidentally the week that makes this finding is number 33 of the year.
"The rescue occurred on 10.13.1910, which adds 33
- The Schramm T-130 excavator dug a well for 33 days
"The timing path running through the mine taken by ambulance to the hospital in Copiapo is 33 minutes.
"In the first rescue of the miners, the capsule Phoenix II was delayed 17 minutes to get into the mine, and it took 16 minutes to surface this capsule, which adds 33 minutes.
"The miners were trapped 69 days, 69 can be divided and 6 +9 = 15. 1 +5 = 6. 6 = 3 +3.
-On October 9 were fulfilled 33 days of the dig and came to the shelter where they begin to rescue the miners.
"The rescue lasted 22:54:11 oficales, so we can add 22 + 5 + 4 + 1 + 1 = 33
"The capsule came to the rescue area at 23:37 (33 hidden).
All this might seem just a cosmic coincidence, but it turns out that the maximum degree of Freemasonry is 33, grade that supposedly distinguishes the Illuminati Masons ordinary.
33 is equal to 11x3, 11 is the magic number, according to Aleister Crowley, used kabbalistically noticeably in the attacks of September 11, 2001, symbolizes the two towers that support the Masonic Temple.
They are also 33 songs on The Divine Comedy, whose theme is precisely the emergence of hell or the underworld into the higher dimensions of consciousness. According to the Gospels, Christ ascended after death as Osiris, the sky at age 33, had made 33 miracles.
The capsules used to rescue the miners, in a rare intervention by the NASA, the first in a case, named Phoenix, the bird that is reborn from the ashes and symbolizes the sun and rise again out of darkness into light "Ex Tenebris Lux" part of the religion of the Egyptian mysteries, face to Freemasonry.
"The 33 is the number of the Ku Klux Klan (K = 11x3 = 33)
-Amen = 33 (A = 1 + M = 13 + E = 5 + N = 14 = 33) Amen-Ra is the Egyptian sun god.
"If you add up the parts of the Sephiroth of the tree of life, the Kabala, you get 33.
-33 Is numerical, with representation of the Star of David
"The United Nations symbol has 33 segments
Saturn has 33 moons-official
"The first temple of Solomon lasted 33 years
"King David reigned 33 years
"The Chilean earthquake occurred on 2 / 27, adding 11.
-There were 229 days after the earthquake to the rescue, adding 13
"The 229 days since the earthquake, 33 are divided by 6.9 (the miners were trapped 69 days)
"From September 11 to October 13 are 33 days
October 13 is a historically significant date
13/10/1307 Templars were arrested a day that recoradara as Friday 13, from which arises the notion of bad luck.
13/10/1792 The foundation stone of the White House was laid by George Washington master mason
13/10/1843 dB'nai Jewish Order B'rith was founded in New York
10/13/1917 70,000 people reportedly witnessed the Virgin of Fatima, "the miracle of the sun", where the star allegedly left heaven to be reborn.
13/10/1972 Flight 571 Uruguayan Air Force crashed in the Andes
Some people point out the presence of number 13, also part of the occult Masonic. The mine collapse occurred on August 5th of the month which gives 13, the rescue took place on 13 October. Phoenix rescue capsule is 13 feet long. The angle at which he entered was 11 degrees. This is another number 17, which symbolizes the rebirth of Osiris.
Upside down pentagram on clothing are asked to use the miners.
Upside down pentagram on clothing were asked to take the miners
Numerology surrounding the case does not necessarily mean that it is a Masonic ritual illuminati, and even devilish as Goro Adachi argues that the rise is a symbol of Lucifer, a topic dealt with in the film Space Odyssey 2010 (where an entity appears cyber Phoenix) and the novel by Arthur C. Clarke, with a chapter titled "Lucifer Rising."
Can be interpreted from a Christian revival story (miners signed a flag sent to the Pope), has managed to "were 33 and god" down or Sepulveda mining history, which speaks of God and the devil fought for soul and God won (Aleister Crowley himself did not but in his case gave the victory to the devil.) Christ is also symbolized as a phoenix, which is not surprising since it shares a solar religion with Egyptian deities of light.
Another more interesting possibility is that this story abused by the media which distracted the world, is ultimately a manifestation of cosmic intelligence that encodes a symbolic reality and mathematics. Is a reflection of these pulses deep in the consciousness immersed in the art, not necessarily a satanic ritual, but an unspeakable ritual, a wave of infinite energy that reaches the surface and remítifica representing the archetype of initiation of the Renaissance, light running through the darkness.
Now if we consider that Chile may have been attacked by the weapon HAARP weather in the powerful earthquake in late February and that, perhaps due to the heavy presence of the CIA for decades, Chile is one of the most aware of the new order and the global elite in power, perhaps we can make a reading of all this was a Masonic drill. The president of Chile came to a Masonic lodge almost a year earlier, as in preparation for his mandate:
"The Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Chile, Juan Jose Oyarzun, described as cordial and smooth the meeting held on Monday 27 July with the presidential candidate of the Alliance for Chile, Sebastian Pinera Echenique, held at the Main Street Marcoleta No. 659. "
NASA certainly a business person familiar with the Masons, (Buzz Aldrin Mason held a ceremony 33 minutes of landing in alignment with Isis-Sirius) participated in the rescue for the first time ever having offered assistance in a case related to mining . Cia Minera San Esteban First is handled by the copper giant Codelco, which copper avasteció NASA's Deep Impact program.
The gold and copper miners, dressed as astronauts from the underworld, they found the spiritual gold, gold or at least the media, as they have become celebrities and almost millionaires in compensation and advertising contracts (curiously the miners, who went shaved and $ 300 Oakley lenses fought to be the last to leave).
Anecdotally it October 13 or 33 October as Christopher Knowles called The Secret Sun, a retired military officer predicted a massive extraterrestrial contact, a strange event media manipulation occurred in New York where thousands of people saw a UFO, which then seemed to be identified as the balloons from a schoolteacher, but was not very clear it was. The fact that been covered live by the mainstream media suggests that it is probably a hoax produced at high levels.
We have no conclusions, a narrative of this event seems to indicate that it was clearly a ritual whose theme is the rebirth, or resurrection-pagan or Christian, Osiris or Christ, the light that emerges from the darkness and millions of people, almost billion, were present at these symbols designed to archetypal psyche, wrapped in the package of flattery television reality show, 110% emotion that goes beyond the emotions of the real, the simulacrum of marriage (only we can unite rather massive we see on television).
Another reading revolves around the modern myth of the child who fell into the well, shown in an episode of The Simpsons: the child in the well becomes a celebrity stirring to society, but in reality it is a hoax, the tender Timmy is Bart Simpson, the trickster, who manipulates technology, a microphone, using the media to convey its vicissitudes in the dark. Who produced this moving work, eternal drama of modern myth? Did the freemasons illuminati with his media conglomerate and its wizards magicians? Was the Universe, who likes to play, and his play is always resonant archetypes and "magic numbers"?
We can only say that the plot is usually more complicated than you think, does not support Occam's razor, because they combine different realities, perceptions, observing a phenomenon, observing that troubles him. The mystery is in the eye of the beholder
http://despiertaalfuturo.blogspot.com/2 ... acion.html (http://despiertaalfuturo.blogspot.com/2010/10/octubre-33-masoneria-y-manipulacion.html)
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So that would mean that on June 25th and the surrounding events like the memorial, since those were planned by MJ and his flunkies, TPTB were taken by surprise at first, but they already had plans for what they wanted to do next time some event happens to distract the world? Because they didn't stage the "death" the way they usually stage a distraction- like these miners- they weren't expecting it.
This is a possible Theory PinkTopaz; TPTB either plan their own "Distraction" events, use planned main events (E.g. Sporting events, Social events...etc) or make the best possible use of "unexpected events".
This would give them plenty of options to get their agenda through; as we are living in an increasingly global world, there are many more opportunities to distract the public than there ever has been, I guess. So I agree with BlackJack (see quote below) that it is possible for TPTB to be opportunistic at time.
It's my view that TPTB have an agenda list as long as their arm and whenever an appropriate distraction occurs (whether legitimate or not) they can use it as a 'cover' to implement whatever plans they may have without attracting any or little public attention. It's quite ingenious really in its simplicity and has been around as long as there have been wars. Think of things like the Olympics, Royal weddings or even the Superbowl, where there are literally millions of people distracted........
The challenge as I see it, is to be able to differentiate between "Hoax events" and Real events, and I don't think TPTB would be that silly as to leaving too many clues for "Conspiracy theorists" to bite at... unless they think that the Big majority of people is soooo conditioned that it does not matter anyway, they will NOT recognise the "Signs"!
With L.O.V.E
There were alot of good comments on this thread and alot of really odd occurences that I find highly likely and planned by the NWO.
The reason it is so blatantly obvious to us here on the forum is because we have S.T.U.D.Y.ed our asses off everything Occult for over a year.
We see it, but does the rest of the world see it?
Maybe or maybe not. This I believe was a Test... to see how much crap "the powers to be" can feed us before were full or disgusted.
And thinking they wouldn't read this forum and our conspiracy theories and then put it in our faces and laugh at us...
Hmm think again.
I pulled my comment from another thread but, I am expanding on your theories and saying it is not so unrealistic to think that they would read us.
Does any of that seem familiar?
Pretty freaky if it's a coincedence, LMAO!
As you all are aware, everybody wants a piece of the action whether it's the record industry who think they OWN their artists, right down to the people who jump on the gravy train and want you for their meal ticket. Fabrication and corruption is unfortunately everywhere and Trust becomes impossible!
I like this part from BlackJack: see above quote.
Some very weird and interesting things have happened in the last few days.
I find it very suspect that when we have been pressing for Michael's "hoax" to be revealed, we have been pressing for people to wake up to NWO, other stuff, mind control, media LIES, campaigns to Prosecute Sneddon, campaigns to clear Michael's name, uncover his name at the school, then ok a article that is against his name being seen (knew that was coming) and then wait the big fat LIE to side track people from the TRUTH is The chile mine rescue.
[youtube:1cbxfgif]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_ZjqC4BuM[/youtube:1cbxfgif]
I call B.S. and it is a "hoax" and it is all about GREEDY media and NWO stopping us from thinking (fear mongering) trauma...makes people believe shit easier.
Ok so I find it highly suspect that one of the miners loves Elvis...Really? LMAO!
Weren't we also trying to prove something about Elvis/Jesse and Eliza?
OMG.
Too many weird things going on for me to worry whether Mike comes back into view, personally Mike I would stay hiding for a minute... it is 911 coming soon.
The writing is on the wall.
Peace[/color][/b]
P.S. Here is the clincher...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101018/wl_ ... iners_pact (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101018/wl_nm/us_chile_miners_pact)
By Simon Gardner and Terry Wade Simon Gardner And Terry Wade – Mon Oct 18, 10:39 am ET
COPIAPO, Chile (Reuters) – Most of Chile's 33 rescued miners are honoring a pact of silence about the worst of their ordeal, but one indicated on Sunday he would talk if paid and another set the record straight about what didn't happen.
Lucrative movie and book deals have been flowing in since the miners' miraculous rescue on Wednesday after 69 days trapped half a mile underground after a cave-in, and several are now looking to safeguard their financial future.
So far, most of the men have not yet spoken of the very worst moments of their ordeal in a hot, humid tunnel 2,050 feet underground, particularly during the agonizing 17 days before they were found alive. The rescue was watched by hundreds of millions of people, a survival story that captured the world's imagination.
"We can't talk about those things, because there is a pact. We can't talk about the period from the cave-in until we escaped," said Mario Gomez, who at 63 is the oldest of the miners, as he helped his family dismantle the tent at "Camp Hope," the settlement they erected after the accident.
Fellow miner Omar Reygada said the pact aimed to ensure the real story was told about the days after the August 5 collapse. Some of the miners have said they were planning a book, and several said they had not yet decided as a group on the sale of rights to their story.
"There's an agreement for us to speak as a group, to avoid distortions that can arise when we speak individually," he said.
Still, miner Jorge Galleguillos said the pact was non-binding, and told Reuters he would tell his story for a fee. He refused to speak in detail otherwise.
"I have to think about myself," he said after attending a religious ceremony at the mine and touring the tent settlement where his family waited for his rescue.
Mario Sepulveda, a joker and the most charismatic of the miners, who thrilled the world when he emerged from the escape capsule that hoisted the men to safety with a bag of souvenir rocks, has already tested the pact's limits.
In an interview with Britain's Mail on Sunday, Sepulveda said he had at times lost hope of being rescued and had played dead in a macabre joke on the other miners.
He rejected the suggestion that the men had sex while trapped underground or that he had considered cannibalism.
"The reason I am speaking is that people have been gossiping and saying things and I think it is important for one of us, me in this case, to tell it as it was down there, but also to answer some of the things that people are getting wrong," he told the paper.
"Saying we had sex down there with each other is just plain wrong," he added. "There are some things I will never talk about. But they are things that would embarrass some of the kids (younger miners). Nothing sexual, more that they acted like kids."
Sepulveda says he will use any money earned from his story to create a fund for his children's university education.
The 40-year-old, who spent his birthday trapped in the mine, did not join 13 of his colleagues at the ceremony on Sunday.
Miner Victor Segovia kept a diary the men plan to turn into a book. Parts of his notebook have been sealed with tape to ensure secrecy.
Some just don't want to talk about their darkest days underground, amid psychologists' warnings that the most lasting damage could be emotional and go on for months if not years.
"I don't want to talk about that yet," said Claudio Yanez, 34, who had been considering quitting the mine before the accident.
Just sayin LOOK at ALL the perks the miners are getting, lol.
Shady Shit going on! 8-)
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The reason it is so blatantly obvious to us here on the forum is because we have S.T.U.D.Y.ed our asses off everything Occult for over a year.
We see it, but does the rest of the world see it?
Maybe or maybe not. This I believe was a Test... to see how much crap "the powers to be" can feed us before were full or disgusted.
And thinking they wouldn't read this forum and our conspiracy theories and then put it in our faces and laugh at us...
Good Points Im_convincedmjalive!
The Teaching is working!
Whist I FULLY agree that the Chilean mining accident is an "OBVIOUS" "FAKE", I still have not fully rationalised how this is possible!
My BRAIN challenges what my EYES see....
The hardest thing for me (personally) is to believe that politicians I have previously met, can really be so corrupt as to creating this NWO ---> that some of them are in the know I can beLIEve! That some of them are influencing others to do as told through economic sanctions...etc, I can beLIEve! That all of them are inducted into some sort of Masonic ceremony, I STRUGGLE with!
Interesting! Interesting!
With L.O.V.E
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Chilean miners say they warned of the risk and they left them out
3 hours 39 mins ago
Santiago de Chile, 19 sep (EFE) .- The miners were trapped for 70 days to 700 meters deep in the San José mine in northern Chile, said the Aug. 5 warned of the danger three hours before landslide that buried them and company executives would not let them out.
This was said today, speaking to local media, Rep. Carlos Vilches, a member of the Commission investigating the accident in that branch of the Chilean Parliament, adding that some of the rescued workers are willing to ratify these words at the request of the Legislative .
Vilches said Juan Illanes, one of those rescued, told him that in the hours before the collapse, the 5th of August, workers warned that the cracking of rock in the San José mine were stronger than usual and asked to return to the surface, which was denied by the manager of farm operations, Carlos Pinilla.
"I said (Illanes) that at 11.00 am started to feel loud noises. They called out and denied the permit. They (the miners) think that there was negligence of the owners and managers," said the deputy.
"The conditions and the risk was known thing, but these gentlemen acted as if it rained. It was reasonable to take them," said Vilches, who also confirmed that several have already agreed to give evidence.
Illanes version was confirmed by his teammates Jimmy Sanchez and Omar Reygadas. "The mine was ringing and they let us in, but I can not talk more about it," Sanchez said when asked about it by reporters.
"I was in a magazine, when it happened. Then I heard about the call. It must have been the shift manager (Luis Urzua) or the foreman (Florencio Avalos). One of them contacted Pinilla. He knew what was happening in the mine, so I can not deny it. For several days he was cracking. I come before the investigative commission. It is my duty, "he said on his part Reygadas.
Cristian Barra, advisor to the Ministry of Interior, who was in the mine during the rescue, also agreed that there were signs that foreshadowed the collapse.
"The opinion of experts from Codelco is that this did not happen from one minute to another, but necessarily there were signs that a collapse could happen," Barra said the daily La Tercera.
Miguel Valenzuela, a former employee of San Jose, told the same newspaper that his friend Jorge Gallardo, another of those rescued, told him the "trickle down" (falling rocks) and the cracks were incredibly violent.
Valenzuela said on Wednesday 4 August, a truck driver contractors Pinilla same manager warned of the impending collapse of the reservoir.
"No one listened. And that he had fallen as half a ton of earth and stones on the truck. The boxes (sides of the hill) exploited all the time," said Valenzuela.
http://es.noticias.yahoo.com/9/20101019 ... bc860.html (http://es.noticias.yahoo.com/9/20101019/tso-los-mineros-chilenos-dicen-que-avisa-64bc860.html)
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101018/wl_ (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101018/wl_) ... iners_pact Mario Sepulveda, a joker and the most charismatic of the miners, who thrilled the world when he emerged from the escape capsule that hoisted the men to safety with a bag of souvenir rocks, has already tested the pact's limits.
In an interview with Britain's Mail on Sunday, Sepulveda said he had at times lost hope of being rescued and had played dead in a macabre joke on the other miners.
He rejected the suggestion that the men had sex while trapped underground or that he had considered cannibalism.
Interesting concept that NWO people might read here and poke fun through this Chilean story. There is the really extreme thought that they might have pre-planned and carried out this event, (similar to 911 with supposedly Muslims hyjacking planes to fly into the buildings while in reality rigging the buildings for implosion,) by causing a small explosion in a strategic location of the mine to trap these miners precisely arranging for all the number details to be accurate, without the miners knowledge of it of course. Princess Diana's death had very similar numerology deliberately scattered throughout the details of the accident and situation. The thought that the same NWO people are involved in MJ's death and circumstances has occurred to me because of this, but I can't somehow agree with it because I know MJ's creative mind and numerology are throughout his music, films and personal life, etc. Maybe it's also God or higher supernatural power at work miraculously planning with all the numerology in place. IDK :? :cry: ;) :o :D As long as I know MJ's truly alive, I'm ok with all of this, and can be calm.
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The reason it is so blatantly obvious to us here on the forum is because we have S.T.U.D.Y.ed our asses off everything Occult for over a year.
We see it, but does the rest of the world see it?
Maybe or maybe not. This I believe was a Test... to see how much crap "the powers to be" can feed us before were full or disgusted.
And thinking they wouldn't read this forum and our conspiracy theories and then put it in our faces and laugh at us...
Good Points Im_convincedmjalive!
The Teaching is working!
Whist I FULLY agree that the Chilean mining accident is an "OBVIOUS" "FAKE", I still have not fully rationalised how this is possible!
My BRAIN challenges what my EYES see....
The hardest thing for me (personally) is to believe that politicians I have previously met, can really be so corrupt as to creating this NWO ---> that some of them are in the know I can beLIEve! That some of them are influencing others to do as told through economic sanctions...etc, I can beLIEve! That all of them are inducted into some sort of Masonic ceremony, I STRUGGLE with!
Interesting! Interesting!
With L.O.V.E
Yes RunningGirl:
What the eyes see the mind will struggle with. Your brain automatically questions things now to rationalize, (make sense logically) partly because you are now being conditioned or re-educated to do so.
The easiest thing to cross over and believe in that last bit you struggle with is to just do it. Dive in the cold pool and get it over with.
When I first started learning about all the horrific shit going on in our world especially mind control (MK ULTRA, monarch and the like) and that alot of it took place here in Portland Oregon (where I currently live) I was sickened to my stomach.
I was initially in shock, then I had to quickly get over that, process it or save it somewhere in my brain for later thought. The brain will also protect from trauma, and believe me this info is traumatizing.
Good Luck and you will be ok. ;)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101018/wl_ (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101018/wl_) ... iners_pact Mario Sepulveda, a joker and the most charismatic of the miners, who thrilled the world when he emerged from the escape capsule that hoisted the men to safety with a bag of souvenir rocks, has already tested the pact's limits.
In an interview with Britain's Mail on Sunday, Sepulveda said he had at times lost hope of being rescued and had played dead in a macabre joke on the other miners.
He rejected the suggestion that the men had sex while trapped underground or that he had considered cannibalism.
Interesting concept that NWO people might read here and poke fun through this Chilean story. There is the really extreme thought that they might have pre-planned and carried out this event, (similar to 911 with supposedly Muslims hyjacking planes to fly into the buildings while in reality rigging the buildings for implosion,) by causing a small explosion in a strategic location of the mine to trap these miners precisely arranging for all the number details to be accurate, without the miners knowledge of it of course. Princess Diana's death had very similar numerology deliberately scattered throughout the details of the accident and situation. The thought that the same NWO people are involved in MJ's death and circumstances has occurred to me because of this, but I can't somehow agree with it because I know MJ's creative mind and numerology are throughout his music, films and personal life, etc. Maybe it's also God or higher supernatural power at work miraculously planning with all the numerology in place. IDK :? :cry: ;) :o :D As long as I know MJ's truly alive, I'm ok with all of this, and can be calm.
MJonmind,
The "powers to be" are VERY knowledgeable in ALL things OCCULT.
This secret knowledge is what has been hidden from us for a very long time.
It goes back to egyptian times. Pharoahs and Kings. Queens and British heirarchy taking over.
This voodoo magic, Black Magic...working for the dark side is very parallel to what Michael is doing exposing the secret knowledge and the ancient occult ways.
The difference in "hoaxes" is we are on the Good side.
Peace
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69 days (in the mine) is the gestation period of guinea pigs. Were the miners guinea pigs..?
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69 days (in the mine) is the gestation period of guinea pigs. Were the miners guinea pigs..?
Yes! Exactly...
They are sneaky. 8-)
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8748 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8748)
I found this old thread about the Gov. Infiltrating 9/11 conspiracy theory sites, etc.
So Not so far off from what I said previously:
I read this article this morning and was astounded! They are watching and trying to control everything we do. Be careful who you trust!
If this has been discussed please delete.
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/33009/Oba ... roups.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/news/33009/Obama_Staffer_Wants_Cognitive_Infiltration_of_9_11_Conspiracy_Groups.html)
Obama Staffer Wants Cognitive Infiltration of 9/11 Conspiracy Groups
Contributed by Anonymous (Editor)
Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:12
'In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.
Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.'
Read more: Obama Staffer Wants ‘Cognitive Infiltration’ of 9/11 Conspiracy Groups
This I believe was a Test... to see how much crap "the powers to be" can feed us before were full or disgusted.
And thinking they wouldn't read this forum and our conspiracy theories and then put it in our faces and laugh at us...
Hmm think again.
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Well no kidding! next people will be wondering if any of the 'bad folks' are lurking around MJ hoax sites ;)
LoL!
Now that is funny. That qoute is from the thread I found on Gov. Infiltration.
Guess that is me The White Rabbit spoke of. lol
Anyways I don't know really where else to post this. I just found a list that is very um how to say shocking.
I have known about the plans of the NWO but to see it in a list form is wow!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ti_12c.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_12c.htm)
TARGETS OF THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COMMITTEE OF 300
1. To establish a One World Government/New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction. The One World Government began to set up its church in the 1920:s and 30:s, for they realized the need for a religious belief inherent in mankind must have an outlet and, therefore, set up a "church" body to channel that belief in the direction they desired.
2. To bring about the utter destruction of all national identity and national pride, which was a primary consideration if the concept of a One World Government was to work.
3. To engineer and bring about the destruction of religion, and more especially, the Christian Religion, with the one exception, their own creation, as mentioned above.
4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski’s Red Terror look like children at play.
5. To bring about the end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call "the post-industrial zero-growth society". Excepted are the computer- and service industries. US industries that remain will be exported to countries such as Mexico where abundant slave labor is available. As we saw in 1993, this has become a fact through the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA. Unemployables in the US, in the wake of industrial destruction, will either become opium-heroin and/or cocaine addicts, or become statistics in the elimination of the "excess population" process we know of today as Global 2000 Report.
6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an "art-form", which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.
7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot’s genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome’s research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia.
8. To suppress all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Illuminati. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Particularly hated are the fusion experiments currently being scorned and ridiculed by the Illuminati and its jackals of the press. Development of the fusion torch would blow the Illuminati’s conception of "limited natural resources" right out of the window. A fusion torch, properly used, could create unlimited and as yet untapped natural resources, even from the most ordinary substances. Fusion torch uses are legion, and would benefit mankind in a manner which, as yet, is not even remotely comprehended by the public.
9. To cause. by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call "useless eaters". The Committee of 300 (Illuminati) commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title "Global 2000 Report" and was accepted and approved for action by former President James Earl Carter, and Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of States, for and on behalf of the US Government. Under the terms of the Global 2000 Report, the population of the US is to be reduced by 100 million by the year of 2050.
10. To weaken the moral fiber of the nation and to demoralize workers in the labor class by creating mass unemployment. As jobs dwindle due to the post industrial zero growth policies introduced by the Club of Rome, the report envisages demoralized and discouraged workers resorting to alcohol and drugs. The youth of the land will be encouraged by means of rock music and drugs to rebel against the status quo, thus undermining and eventually destroying the family unit. In this regard, the Committee commissioned Tavistock Institute to prepare a blueprint as to how this could be achieved. Tavistock directed Stanford Research to undertake the work under the direction of Professor Willis Harmon. This work later became known as the "Aquarian Conspiracy".
11. To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then "managing" such crises. This will confuse and demoralize the population to the extent where faced with too many choices, apathy on a massive scale will result. In the case of the US, an agency for Crisis Management is already in place. It is called the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), whose existence I first enclosed in 1980.
12. To introduce new cults and continue to boost those already functioning which include rock music gangsters such as the Rolling Stones (a gangster group much favored by European Black Nobility), and all of the Tavistock-created rock groups which began with the Beatles.
13. To continue to build up the cult of Christian Fundamentalism begun by the British East India Company’s servant Darby, which will be misused to strengthen the Zionist State of Israel by identifying with the Jews through the myth of "God’s chosen people", and by donating very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity.
14. To press for the spread of religious cults such as the Moslem Brotherhood, Moslem Fundamentalism, the Sikhs, and to carry out mind control experiments of the Jim Jones and "Son of Sam" type. It is worth noting that the late Khomeini was a creation of British Military Intelligence Div. 6, MI6. This detailed work spelled out the step-by-step process which the US Government implemented to put Khomeini in power.
15. To export "religious liberation" ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion. This began with the "Jesuit Liberation Theology", that brought an end to the Somoza Family rule in Nicaragua, and which today is destroying El Salvador, now 25 years into a "civil war". Costa Rica and Honduras are also embroiled in revolutionary activities, instigated by the Jesuits. One very active entity engaged in the so-called liberation theology, is the Communist-oriented Mary Knoll Mission. This accounts for the extensive media attention to the murder of four of Mary Knoll’s so-called nuns in El Salvador a few years ago. The four nuns were Communist subversive agents and their activities were widely documented by the Government of El Salvador. The US press and the new media refused to give any space or coverage to the mass of documentation possessed by the Salvadorian Government, which proved what the Mary Knoll Mission nuns were doing in the country. Mary Knoll is in service in many countries, and placed a leading role in bringing Communism to Rhodesia, Moçambique, Angola and South Africa.
16. To cause a total collapse of the world’s economies and engender total political chaos.
17. To take control of all foreign and domestic policies of the US.
18. To give the fullest support to supranational institutions such as the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Bank of International Settlements, the World Court and, as far as possible, make local institutions less effective, by gradually phasing them out or bringing them under the mantle of the UN.
19. To penetrate and subvert all governments, and work from within them to destroy the sovereign integrity of the nations represented by them.
20. To organize a world-wide terrorist apparatus and to negotiate with terrorists whenever terrorist activities take place. It will be recalled that it was Bettino Craxi, who persuaded the Italian and US Governments to negotiate with the Red Brigades kidnapers of Prime Minister Moro and General Dozier. As an aside, Dozier was placed under strict orders not to talk what happened to him. Should he ever break that silence, he will no doubt be mad "a horrible example of", in the manner in which Henry Kissinger dealt with Aldo Moro, Ali Bhutto and General Zia ul Haq.
21. To take control of education in America with the intent and purpose of utterly and completely destroying it. By 1993, the full force effect of this policy is becoming apparent, and will be even more destructive as primary and secondary schools begin to teach "Outcome Based Education" (OBE).
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Here is another interesting thread I found:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=2532 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=2532)
This is about The Tablet Stones and what is written on them.
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Maybe the miners were the guinea pigs, and more when they apparently had warned of the danger is that mine, if true this news, these people may have died (thank God
did not) I wonder how it would have been the spectacle of the media and their "owners."
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Link to the BBC Article in full inclusive of Video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11557578
17 October 2010 Last updated at 09:35
Chilean President Sebastian Pinera sees London sights
Chile's president is to visit the British Museum and Churchill War Rooms in London, on the second day of his visit to the UK.
The main business of Sebastian Pinera's trip will take place on Monday, when he meets the Queen and David Cameron.
Mr Pinera, whose country is still celebrating the rescue of 33 trapped miners, told reporters: "It started as a tragedy and it ended as a blessing."
He brought fragments of rock from the San Jose mine as gifts for his hosts.
"I asked the miners to bring one rock each so I can give it to the Queen and to David Cameron," Mr Pinera, who arrived in the UK on Saturday before a European tour, told the BBC.
He also brought a copy of the first message that the miners sent to the surface after what he called 17 "anguished" days of searching. (Note: See the note on the Video - 33 clearly visible)
The rescue of the miners after 69 days has made headlines worldwide.
Thirty-one of the miners have now been released from hospital, with the remaining two being transferred to other hospitals.
One is suffering from a dental infection and the second is suffering from vertigo symptoms.
Speaking after landing at Heathrow on Saturday, Mr Pinera described how the rescuers refused to give up the search.
"We committed ourselves to do whatever was necessary to save their lives," he said.
"We had a commitment that we would search for the miners as if they were our sons. It started as a tragedy and it ended as a blessing."
Inspired by Churchill
Shortly after he landed at London's Heathrow Airport on Saturday, and as he prepared to meet members of the UK's Chilean community, he paid tribute to his homeland.
Mr Pinera said his country had shown the world "a good example of the real meaning of commitment, courage, faith hope and unity."
He said: "We did it because we were united, we did it because we were convinced, and did it because we would never leave anyone behind. And that's a very good principle for Chile and for the world."
Earlier the 60-year-old said Winston Churchill's "blood, toil, tears and sweat" speech had provided inspiration to him during the battle to save the miners.
Fittingly, he was visiting Churchill's War Rooms in London on Sunday.
Mr Pinera also said he ignored political advice to steer clear of the rescue effort.
"Many people thought the rescue was impossible and advised me not to get involved, to keep my distance," he said.
"I decided to take full responsibility without any political consideration.... We made a commitment to look for the miners as if they were our sons."
Like Mr Cameron, Mr Pinera was only elected this year, and his visit to London is thought to have been planned many months ago.
He is thought to be hoping to persuade more British companies, including mining corporations, to invest in Chile.
After sightseeing in London on Sunday, he will meet Mr Cameron and have an audience with the Queen on Monday, who has extended an invitation at the last minute following the mine rescue.
On Saturday, Mr Pinera, who greeted the miners with a hug after their rescue, said he was looking forward to both meetings.
He said: "We have a great admiration for David Cameron. He is a very good friend of ours. He was able to create a new majority to transform and modernise the Conservative Party and to find new solutions for old problems and that's something that I'm sure will be very good for England."
He said he had also bought them a copy of the first message the miners had sent to the surface after they were trapped. It read: "We are well in the shelter, the 33".
He continued: "And also we are bringing the gratitude of all the Chileans because we received a lot of help from our friends around the world."
The Harvard-educated politician said lessons had to be learned from what had happened with the mine.
He said: "One of the lessons is that we have to be much more careful and committed with the safety, lives, the health of our workers."
He is visiting France and Germany later this week.
Mr Pinera had earlier revealed that his father-in-law died only hours before the miners were rescued and he had told the president: "Don't give up. Keep working to rescue the miners."
Latest BBC Coverage of the Miners accident, it is interesting that Sebastian Pinera is now in London and will then be visiting France and Germany; he is bringing some stones from the mine and a copy of the first message sent by the miners following the accident: "We are well in the shelter, the 33" (Translated)
The short video is worthwhile listening to, I made note of the sentence "We share a commitment, to build a better World for every one" as it stood out in the context of a NWO.
The mining accident is definitely going to increase the media coverage of Sebastian Pinera visit to Europe top 3!
If I switch my leather cap for my conspiracy hat (As one does! ;) ) then I see a number of reasons why this "accident" and its timing would be convenient (whether hoax or reality):
--->Impressive media coverage (continuing through the Presidential visit to Europe) that can be used to distract the public attention from other events happening elsewhere
--->The light is shining on Chile, this may have a positive impact on foreign investments in the country (MONEY!)
--->A visible signal for the NWO (If it is a NWO event) with this number "33" being shown at each single opportunity (Why making those signals so obvious? Would the NWO really be so careless? I am struggling with those 2 questions!)
Food for thought!
With L.O.V.E
Yes they would be so BOLD!
They think we are idiots.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... APTER%2047 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century08.htm#CHAPTER%2047)
Excerpt:
CHAPTER 47
INFORMATION CONTROL
The Bavarian Illuminati started already at the time of the French Revolution to disseminate their propaganda in reading societies in order to shape public opinion to their objectives. Later, during the 19th century, when Rothschild had already taken over the Bank of England, they started using the Jewish REUTERS news agency to that aim. News agencies like the WOLFF in Berlin and the French HAVAS had the same goal: to build an international news monopoly.
The CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and the RIIA (Royal Institute for International Affairs) both were founded by the Round Table to widen its sphere of influence. The RIIA had been a brainchild of Cecil Rhodes (British-South African statesman and diamond millionaire) who wanted to extend British sovereignty all over the globe, but especially to the
U.S.
A possibility to control the masses is the “social conditioning” of the RIIA mentioned previously. They trained the military technician JOHN RAWLINGS REES who later opened the TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN STUDIES in Sussex, England. The Tavistock Institute is the center of England’s psychological warfare, Tavistock methods have been used, as mentioned, in England and in America. Besides the press, radio and movies have been used for mass manipulations that – as they have been utilized for decades already – can now be called brainwashing.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... rome09.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_clubrome09.htm)
Very interesting read. 20/20 hindsight is seeing prophesy come to frutation.
Read what was said in the box:
As I warned about two years ago, there is an underlying agenda of the New World Order to bring about a depopulation of the planet as part of their intent to control and subjugate the planet for their own purposes.
Starting with Zero Population Growth of Paul Ehrlich in the 70's and the "Pharisees" of the Club of Rome, Limits to Growth report, then the Peak Oil Myth based on the ridiculous assumption that petroleum is a fossil fuel, Global Cooling which was switched to Global Warming without anyone paying attention, we now have an outright movement to end the human race to save the planet.
This all in addition to "depleted" uranium, corporate corruption and pollution of the planet, use of the WHO to sterilize young women of color around the world, the Genetic Engineering that is killing the bees and butterflies, and the general mucking up caused by Big Pharma and Big Medicine, the Codex Alimentarius, and AIDS/HIV epidemic, they now have orchestrated the scenes of Soylent Green which were filmed back in the 70's to provide a visual story line on which to build the propaganda for depopulation.
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Peccei headed the Atlantic Institute’s Economic Council for three decades while he was the Chief Executive Officer for Giovanni Agnelli’s Fiat Motor Company. Agnelli, a member of an ancient Italian Black Nobility family of the same name, is one of the most important members of the Committee of 300. He played a leading role in development projects in the Soviet Union.
The Club of Rome is a conspiratorial umbrella organization, a marriage between Anglo-American financiers and the old Black Nobility families of Europe, particularly the so-called "nobility" of London, Venice and Genoa. The key to the successful control of the world is their ability to create and manage savage economic recessions and eventual depressions.
The Committee of 300 looks to social convulsions on a global scale, followed by depressions, as a softening-up technique for bigger things to come, as its principal method of creating masses of people all over the world who will become its "welfare" recipients of the future.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_s ... knobil.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_blacknobil.htm)
Everything you'd wanna know about The Black Nobility
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The rescue capsule is called "Phoenix", just like the rescue mission in the movie 2010: The Year We Make Contact.
2010: The Year We Make Contact is the sequel of 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's certainly ominous that 2001 is 9 years away from 2010 and 11 years from 2012 - i.e. 9 & 11 - seemingly acknowledging the 9/11 connection and the 2-year difference between 2010 and 2012. (Side note: Those who have watched 2001: A Space Odyssey and it's sequel 2010: The Year We Make Contact for sure remember the role of the black monolith.)
The Feb 27 Chile mega-quake was followed the next day by the closing ceremony of the Vancouver Olympics. The 33 miners rescue started late today (near midnight) and will continue for a couple of days, likely finishing around October 14, the final day (closing ceremony) of the Commonwealth Games in Delhi, India..?
The Feb 27 Chile mega-quake orbitally aligns with October 14.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/oct14.jpg)
Flag of Chile:
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Notice that there is an upward pentagram om the flag of Chile, yet the rescued miners are wearing t-shirts with an inverted pentagram:
(http://www.topbuzznews.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chile-rescued-miners-300x207.jpg)
(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/2010_10_13/first-four-of-33-men-rescued-from-chilean-mine-2010-10-13_l.jpg)
(http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00268/CARLOS_MANANI_268506e.jpg)
Footage of the performance by the Indian navy and air force during the closing ceremony of the Commonwealth Games in Delhi, India, on October 14, the day after the 33 miners were rescued. Watch from 2.22 to 3.40:
[youtube:26oxx6nw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYS-VXzH9GM[/youtube:26oxx6nw]
Again, inverted pentagrams...
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The pentagram keeps popping up, yesterday via a shooting incident at the Pentagon.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/19/dc. ... tml?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/19/dc.pentagon.shots.fired/index.html?hpt=T1)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39736411/ns ... -security/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39736411/ns/us_news-security/)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Pentagon_satellite_image.jpg)
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More pentagrams, this time from the Willow Smith - Whip My Hair official music video, released 10/18:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/ws01.jpg)
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Also note this:
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Warrior:
One who is engaged in or experienced in battle.
One who is engaged aggressively or energetically in an activity, cause, or conflict.
Middle English werreour, from Old North French werreieur, from werreier, to make war, from werre, war.
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The penthagon incident makes me wonder.
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Bilderberg has subsidiary in Chile
Chile has a branch of the Bilderberg Club in half a dozen families possessing more than a billion dollars that often appear in the annual listing of United States Forbes magazine and social pages and economy or business of the mass media controlled …por themselves.
The Group has been reduced by deaths. According to Forbes, are three thousand millionaires in dollars, in contrast with the poverty of a few million Chileans. And one is Sebastián Piñera, LAN and channel TV ChileVisión (already sold to Time Warner), whose next acquisition could be volcano Chaiten - owner who flew in these days - or countrywide called Chile.
WHO IS WHO IN FORBES?
IRIS Fontbona and his family are displayed with 10 billion $ and the Forbes post No. 77. It is the widow and children of Andronikos Luksic - died in 2005 – those who control the Antofagasta mining one of the largest in the world, holding Quiñenco, Bank Chile, among many other businesses.
Eliodoro Matte and his family group listed in the 117 ° place with 7.9 billion. His flagship company is manufacturing of Papeles y Cartones holds
El Mercurio and his staunch enemy, the mapuche people, on whose lands cultivated forests for pulp and paper company.
Sebastián Piñera, with 1,300 million, ranked 897 ° listing and are keen to become head of State, as an Italian model Silvio Berlusconi, the rich no. 90 of the planet, owner of $ 9.4 billion and television stations.
Maria Noseda Zambra, widow of Anacleto Angelini - died at age 93 - 2007 is the last of the ranking of rich Chileans. At its best, her husband alternated first with Luksic. Today is at no. 1.062 and controls only part of the holding company owns Copec, plant cellulose and extensive forests in territory Antar Chile - cellulose indigenous-business of mining and fishing vessels, since the latest Fisheries Act made spouse the owner of the sea. The inheritance was divided with the Robert and Patricia Angelini Rossi nephews.
Do not appear in the ranking the heirs of Ricardo Claro Valdés - died in 2008-, owner of Sudamericana of Vapores, Channel TV Megavisión, glaziers Chile, Viña Santa Rita and many other businesses that were left in family, in charge of his brother James and his nephew Arturo Claro Fernández, most his widow, María Luisa Vial of course. The course group was in the Forbes when it reached the value of $ 568 million in 1998, but in 1999 magazine rose minimum 1,000 million.
Chile owners are those who magazine Qué Pasa used to be called "100 most influential people of Chile". After the wealth is synonymous with power and influence. And strictly speaking, they govern Chile for 36 years, since the coup of 1973, including endless 19 years "transition to democracy" military.
REAL AXIS OF EVIL
Four Forbes Chileans are a drop in the ocean of 1,125 persons classified with over one billion worldwide. Accumulate 4.4 million $ 900 billion million more than in 2007. Despite the crisis and "market turbulence", 42% are Americans who have 37% of the planetary opulence. Latin America brings little: Argentina, 1, 18 Brazil, 2 Colombia, 10 Mexico Venezuela 2, but the Mexican Carlos Slim - thousand 60 million - is number two on Earth, including Warren Buffet, the old millionaire friend Barack Obama and William Gates III, the owner of Microsoft.
Large corporations and transnational media handles this people. Meet the Bilderberg and American Society, whose Honorary President is David Rockefeller and whose annual dinners usually attend Álvaro Saieh, owner of the third, the fourth, La Hora, Qué Pasa, etc. It is not a theory of conspiracies: make up the real "axis of evil".
http://bloguerosrevolucion.ning.com/pro ... e=activity (http://bloguerosrevolucion.ning.com/profiles/blogs/33-mineros?xg_source=activity)
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Im_convincedmjalive wrote:
they now have orchestrated the scenes of Soylent Green which were filmed back in the 70's to provide a visual story line on which to build the propaganda for depopulation.
[youtube:7ps4bm1c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjQO163P2E[/youtube:7ps4bm1c]
Soylent Green :shock:
When police backup arrives, the seriously wounded and nearly hysterical Thorn confides to Hatcher the horrible secret behind Soylent Green, finally urging him to spread the word: "Soylent Green is PEOPLE!! We've got to stop them — SOMEHOW!!!"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green)
Plot
In the year 2022, the population has grown to forty million people in New York City alone. Most housing is dilapidated and overcrowded, and the homeless fill the streets and line the fire escapes and stairways of buildings. Food as we know it in present times is a rare and expensive commodity. Most of the world's population survives on processed rations produced by the massive Soylent Corporation, including Soylent Red and Soylent Yellow, which are advertised as "high-energy vegetable concentrates." The newest product is Soylent Green — a small green wafer which is advertised as being produced from "high-energy plankton." It is much more nutritious and palatable than the red and yellow varieties, but it is--like most other food--in short supply, which often leads to food riots.
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Let's not forget that the NWO agenda is to de-populate the planet so they can live... more comfortable?
hmmm good question.
Why do they want to kill us off?
They wont out live most of the new generation, so why continue with this diabolical plan to cull the masses?
Im_convincedmjalive wrote:
I want to address the theory of "Media Mind Control" and how to desensitize the "mass public" by slowing feeding them clues through Movies!
Source:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3571 (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3571)
Desensitization
In the past, when changes were imposed on populations, they would take to the streets, protest and even riot. The main reason for this clash was due to the fact that the change was clearly announced by the rulers and understood by the population. It was sudden and its effects could clearly be analyzed and evaluated. Today, when the elite needs a part of its agenda to be accepted by the public, it is done through desensitization. The agenda, which might go against the public best interests, is slowly, gradually and repetitively introduced to the world through movies (by involving it within the plot), music videos (who make it cool and sexy) or the news (who present it as a solution to today’s problems). After several years of exposing the masses to a particular agenda, the elite openly presents the concept the world and, due to mental programming, it is greeted with general indifference and is passively accepted. This technique originates from psychotherapy.
“The techniques of psychotherapy, widely practiced and accepted as a means of curing psychological disorders, are also methods of controlling people. They can be used systematically to influence attitudes and behavior. Systematic desensitization is a method used to dissolve anxiety so the the patient (public) is no longer troubled by a specific fear, a fear of violence for example. [...] People adapt to frightening situations if they are exposed to them enough”.
- Steven Jacobson, Mind Control in the United States
Predictive programming is often found in the science fiction genre. It presents a specific image of the future – the one that is desired by the elite – and ultimately becomes in the minds of men an inevitability. A decade ago, the public was being desensitized to war against the Arab world. Today, the population is gradually being exposed to the existence of mind control, of transhumanism and of an Illuminati elite. Emerging from the shadows, those concepts are now everywhere in popular culture. This is what Alice Bailey describes as the “externalization of the hierarchy”: the hidden rulers slowly revealing themselves.
They have created the Blueprint for a plan to eat us back in the 70's and showed it to us through a movie...Not entertaining anymore is it?
The rescue capsule is called "Phoenix", just like the rescue mission in the movie 2010: The Year We Make Contact.
2010: The Year We Make Contact is the sequel of 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's certainly ominous that 2001 is 9 years away from 2010 and 11 years from 2012 - i.e. 9 & 11 - seemingly acknowledging the 9/11 connection and the 2-year difference between 2010 and 2012. (Side note: Those who have watched 2001: A Space Odyssey and it's sequel 2010: The Year We Make Contact for sure remember the role of the black monolith.)
Again Movies!
http://kubrick2001.com/ (http://kubrick2001.com/)
Very trippy website with an explanation of Space Odyssey.
Those pictures of the miners look staged and fake...
Reminds me of The ( supposed) Moon Landing.
[youtube:7ps4bm1c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5MVVtFYTSo[/youtube:7ps4bm1c]
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Cult of death and destruction global machine also kill is sustained by the cult of death and destruction that pervades the Hollywood movies, not to mention the wars on prime time television crime series.
This cult of the massacre is backed by the CIA and the Pentagon, which also supported (funded) Hollywood as an instrument of war propaganda productions: El Ex-agente of CIA Bob Baer said: "There is a symbiosis between Hollywood and the CIA" and revealed that the former director of the CIA George Tenet is currently in Hollywood, talking with studies. (Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham, Lights, Camera…) Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood, Global Research, January 31, 2009). The killing machine unfolds at global level within the framework of the unified fighter command structure. And he is usually maintained by institutions of Government, corporate media, and mandarins and intellectuals under the orders of the new world order, and from the think tanks in Washington and strategic studies as an indisputable instrument of peace and global prosperity research institutes. The culture of death and violence has recorded in human consciousness
Lights, Camera… Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood
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In this article, the South American newspaper the nation echoes Numerology used in Kabbalistic ritual of the confinement of 33 miners.
Breaks the covenant between miners
Some members of the group revealed details that differ from the official, yesterday, 17 of 33 returned to the San José mine
Monday October 18, 2010 | Published in print .
Carlos Vergara
Correspondent in Chile
Copiapo, Chile .- The silent pact agreed by the 33 miners who survived for nearly 70 days underground in the mine San Jose began to crumble in the last two days, when some members of the group began to reveal certain details that differ openly the official version and even went into contradictions between them.
For the miners, the pressure of the press, mainly the European media, and being in the center of world attention is overwhelming. Television crews and daily parade through the homes of the miners, located, some of them in slums of Copiapo, finally closing agreements entered into with their family stories, some of whom even accepted developments during the days of closure . Some of the miners have agreed to go to the Chilean television, in exchange for the usual figures that are paid to members of the local jet set.
Gradually, all are giving. Mario Sepúlveda (known as the showman) said in an interview published yesterday The Daily Mail that was "afraid to die of hunger in his underground tomb," in an attempt to describe the amazing journey that lived through the miners in their struggle against death.
"I want the world to know the truth about what happened there. We were swallowed in the bowels of hell, but we've been born again and now I feel it my duty to say what happened," he replied, when asked about the agreement with colleagues not to talk about certain episodes.
One of the most surprising revelations Sepulveda was the famous message "We are well on the refuge's 33," written by Jose Ojeda, who allowed the world to know that the miners were alive, was written after they had lost all hope of being rescued.
The greatest moment of distress, according to Sepulveda and others of his comrades, as Jimmy Sanchez, when the probe was seeking to reach the studio passed over misuse of the drill Schramm T-130, Aug. 19. Three days later, the same machine would find them.
Others, like Edison Peña, broke the silence that had the group on the liability of the owners of the San José mine. "Why these things happen? The employer saves money, and what about the workers? I overheat, I speak because I can serve this screen to change everything," complained Peña.
Yonni Barrios, the miner who was a nurse, revealed yesterday the NATION that was not the leader Luis Urzua at the bottom of the mine, but Sepulveda, the outgoing moderator of the first video that came to the surface. His words were echoed shortly afterwards by Jimmy Sanchez, 19, the youngest of the group, which also said Sepúlveda recognized as the leader of the curious organizational structure that allowed them to get out alive in this adventure. Some even spoke of the existence of three "factions" in the mine before that integrate psychologists.
Sanchez was just that revealed the secret: In the mine there was a third voice, that of Juan Illanes, a former Chilean military that was months in the trenches during the conflict with Argentina over the Beagle. According to Sanchez, Illanes suggested they agree on the pact of silence or a "state secret" that most ensures respect for history is not distorted and capitalize on any film or publishing deals.
Yesterday, 17 of the 33 miners returned to the San José mine for a Mass of thanksgiving for his recovery "miraculous." Reygadas Omar, the second-largest group, which yesterday had criticized Barrios Yonni for breaking an agreement not to talk about certain issues, this time denied that there was any requirement of silence.
"There is no conspiracy of silence. There is nothing to hide, we as partners in what we never did something to be ashamed. From what we're going to speak as a group for everyone to tell the story as it was. I hope it a book, to let everyone know that we live in, "said Reygadas.
The miners are treated like rock stars. In the San José mine, they were greeted by numerous cameras, hundreds of relatives and onlookers who wanted to join them, forming a veritable swarm around him, forcing the intervention of the police, to protect their safety
"It cute be here at some point we thought the drill had gone bad, so now we are very happy to be alive," said Claudio Yáñez.
"It's nice to be where they were our family," was all he managed to say Urzua, before being escorted by police to avoid harassment of the media incredible.
In the middle of Mass, more than 20 employees of Minera San Esteban First SA, the owner of pique San Jose, protested with cries and banners demanding payment of their salaries, and the difference with the treatment received by the 33.
THE 33 AND THE MATCHES
Message. The first sign of life of the 33 miners was a note tied to the probe. His characters with spaces, total 33.
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Week. The message was found by the authorities on August 22 at week 33 of 2010.
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Protocol. The trip by ambulance from the mine to the hospital in Copiapo was to last 33 minutes.
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Faith Christ died at age 33. For miners more religious, was a sign.
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Drilling. The T-130 drilling dug for 33 days to find shelter where they were miners.
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Rescue. The rescue began on 13 October or 10/13/1910. The numbers, taken together, are 33.
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Pools. The day began rescue (13/10), on the morning of the lottery draw of the province left at number 11, "the miner" in dreams. The day ended (14/10) went for 33 in the night.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1315998 (http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1315998)
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Summary of the Korean news...............13/10/10
Sth Korea has joined in naval drills with the US, Australia and Japan aimed at intercepting illicit weapon shipments targeting nations such as Nth Korea (and Iran). Nth Korea has long warned it would consider Seoul's participation as a declaration of war, however so far the Nth Korean state media has remained silent.
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South Korea Admits to Firing Shells at North Korea
by grtv
South Korea has admitted it fired artillery shells that triggered an early morning clash with North Korea. However it says it was part of a military drill and denied it was directed at the North. Earlier Seoul blamed the North for what it called an unprovoked shelling of its island. Pyongyang claimed the South had violated its maritime border during the military drills. Seoul has since threatened its neighbour with what it called 'enormous retaliation'.
The Russian foreign ministry said the clashes are unacceptable and called on both sides to show restraint to prevent the outbreak of military conflict.
“What happened deserves condemnation. Those who initiated the shelling must accept responsibility. We insist that both sides must take measures to pacify the situation and prevent similar action in the future. Unfortunately, this is already the third incident of its kind this year. But this time, there’s a colossal danger of the situation descending into military conflict. This must be avoided. Russia has repeatedly warned of the growing tension in the region, and is now counting on both sides to arrive at a suitable conclusion,” Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.
http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2010/11/sou ... orth-korea (http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2010/11/south-korea-admits-firing-shells-north-korea)