Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on September 26, 2010, 06:34:17 PM
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Before I explain my thoughts, please watch all three parts below first, or else it's too hard to explain and you might not get some things I address.
[youtube:ljez1595]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw[/youtube:ljez1595]
[youtube:ljez1595]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg[/youtube:ljez1595]
[youtube:ljez1595]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg[/youtube:ljez1595]
Although I am not so sure that all this info is 100% accurate, I do think this is a very plausible theory.
Mike might not have been born by a virgin, his birth may not be announced by a star in the east and probably there weren't 3 kings or magi following that star to adore him, yet I do see a lot of things that made me think about it.
Keep in mind that it's not exact science. If Jesus ever lived I don't think he really did all those things such as walking on water etc., as is presented in the bible, but I do think he might have been someone that started a revolution, something that was the start of the new age of pisces.
Jesus was a child teacher at 12, Mike released his first solo album around the age of 12 (1972)
At the age of 30 Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry, Mike left the JW's and started planning a hoax to heal the world around the age of 30.
Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, Mike had 12 dancers for This is It, performing miracles like raising the dead (Thriller). He also is portrayed on a "Last Supper" together with people that performed miracles in their lives, one way or another.
Jesus was known as the "King of Kings," the "Light of the World, etc., Mike was known as the King of Pop and sings in TII "I'm the light of the world".
Jesus was betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, Mike was betrayed by many, all for $$$
Jesus was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected, Mike was crucified (the 1993 and 2003 accusations, along with all the other slander), was placed in a tomb and will "resurrect".
The video production company shooting the Murray "thanks supporters" video was called Sirius.
Now here is the thing. Some claim we are in the transition to the Age of Aquarius. A Great Year or Platonic Year lasts about 26,000 years. With 12 zodiac signs as we know it, that would mean each astrological age would last about 2,150 years. But only a few know that there are actually 13 zodiac signs: http://www.love-astrology.com/13th-sign ... 13th-sign/ (http://www.love-astrology.com/13th-sign-of-the-zodiac/ophiuchus-13th-sign/)
That would mean that each age would last approx. 2,000 years, meaning that it could very well be that we are at the very beginning of the age of aquarius. Some say we will be fully in the age of aquarius in 2012:
What is the Aquarian Age?
There have been many Ages and shift of Ages throughout the History of Humankind.
The Aquarian Age is dawning and marks the transition into new ways of "being" within the evolution of humanity. The vibrational frequency of the planet has been steadily increasing and we are currently on the cusp leaving the Piscean age behind and it has been predicted that we will be fully in the Aquarian Age by 2012.
The Piscean Age was ruled by machines, hierarchies and ego. The New Aquarian Age will be ruled by awareness, intuition, wisdom (lived knowledge) and experience.
The mind is changing its sensitivity, it's basic frequency and functioning. Our life is changing its sense of time, space, and reality.
5 Sutras for the Aquarian Age:
Recognize that the other person is you
There is a way through every block
When the time is on you, start, and the pressure will be off
Understand through compassion or you will misunderstand the times
Vibrate the Cosmos, the Cosmos shall clear the path
http://100days.ning.com/group/theaquarianage2012 (http://100days.ning.com/group/theaquarianage2012)
What really stood out for me is:
The Piscean Age was ruled by machines, hierarchies and ego. The New Aquarian Age will be ruled by awareness, intuition, wisdom (lived knowledge) and experience.
The mind is changing its sensitivity, it's basic frequency and functioning. Our life is changing its sense of time, space, and reality.
This is exactly what this hoax is doing with us, it's all about awareness and knowledge. 2012 is not the end of the world, it is the end of an age ruled by machines, hierarchies and ego, but someone of course has to bring us into that new age of awareness, intuition, wisdom (lived knowledge) and experience.
As the videos explained, each age has its own hero: Horus, Moses, Jesus, etc. All of them have their own story, each age begins with a change. I, as a firm believer that everything is truly "written in the stars" think Mike could very well be that person that should be the one that will be responsible for that change. Of all people in the world, he is the one that can make that happen. As people said he had a messiah-complex, he himself said he is not Jesus, but wants to be Jesus-like, by helping others. Jesus was the one starting the age of pisces, Mike might be the one that will form the age of aquarius. This could be why we see the Jesus pose, the 12 dancers, the Last Supper, the references to the sun (I'm the light of the world), the sunflowers etc. I think he knows a lot about astrology and I think he might have seen that he has the power and the knowledge to do it.
Another thing that I find interesting, whether or not you believe the theory that Mike was actually born on 1/28/1960, is that according to our known calendar with the 12 signs of the zodiac, Mike would be Aquarius if that theory turns out to be true. For those that haven't seen why it would be possible, here it is again:
I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:
Intelius shows us:
Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:
In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.
[youtube:ljez1595]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:ljez1595]
When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).
Then we had this:
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?
It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.
The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)
Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
Okay, so I hope I made sense...and no, I am not high on pot :lol:
[youtube:ljez1595]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH8_M1fbXd4&feature=related[/youtube:ljez1595]
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revalation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
Funfact: the next time Jupiter will align with Mars will be in May, 2011. The last time was February 14, 2009 and this occurs every 27 months (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 6050410060 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006050410060)). The moon is in the seventh house twice a day. [/color]
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BTW:
[youtube:26f3624e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2BY4FNi_A&feature=related[/youtube:26f3624e]
We're Takin' Over
We Have The Truth
This Is The Mission
To See It Through
Don't Point Your Finger
Not Dangerous
This Is Our Planet
You're One Of Us
We're Sendin' Out
A Major Love
And This Is Our
Message To You
(Message To You)
The Planets Are Linin' Up
We're Bringin' Brighter Days
They're All In Line
Waitin' For You
Can't You See . . .?
You're Just Another Part Of Me . .
A Rather Nation
Fulfill The Truth
The Final Message
We're Bring To You
There Is No Danger
Fulfill The Truth
So Come Together
We're Mean Is You
We're Sendin' Out
A Major Love
And This Is Our
Message To You
(Message To You)
The Planets Are Linin' Up
We're Bringin' Brighter Days
They're All In Line
Waitin' For You
So Look The Truth
You're Just Another Part Of Me . .
We're Sendin' Out
A Major Love
And This Is Our
Message To You
(Message To You)
The Planets Are Linin' Up
We're Bringin' Brighter Days
They're All In Line
Waitin' For You
Can't You See . . .?
You're Just Another Part Of Me
Another Part Of Me . .
We're Takin' Over
This Is The Truth, Baby
Another Part Of Me
Just say so if you think I need a straight jacket :lol:
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Wow Souza...I was just working on a post about all of this!! :shock: So if you need a straight jacket, then so do I! :lol: :lol:
I totally believe that this is the "message" that Michael has been portraying throughout the decades! Michael is "special" and I believe he was put on this earth for a "Purpose"...to tell us of what is to come in the very near future.I strongly believe in the vibrational changes that are happening as we speak, I myself have had a "spiritual awakening" during this "adventure" of Michael's. L.O.V.E means Living One Vibrational Energy. When it comes to Michael Jackson, anything and Everything is "possible". The "signs" are everywhere .We need to look to the skies for answers, if we want to be prepared for what is to come. Michael has referenced "space" in so many of his works, that it just all makes perfect sense to me! I hope that more people will look into this thread, so that maybe they will put the pieces of the puzzle together too. Michael really did this all for Love! The future is ours to "awaken" to! This truly is a magical time to be here on Earth!
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Hahahaha, maybe we all need one, and a big f**king padded cell :lol:
Do you have something to add? Maybe you found some more interesting things?
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January 28 1985 was the last recording session for we are the world, great way of conmemorate you 25th birthday :P and this year, 25 years later was recorded the new song... ;)
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January 28 1985 was the last recording session for we are the world, great way of conmemorate you 25th birthday :P and this year, 25 years later was recorded the new song... ;)
Ah well...maybe it's all just a coincidence... :lol:
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January 28 1985 was the last recording session for we are the world, great way of conmemorate you 25th birthday :P and this year, 25 years later was recorded the new song... ;)
Ah well...maybe it's all just a coincidence... :lol:
just coincidence.... :lol:
Would be cool if they can do the Grammy´s on Thursday, don´t you think?
The kids speech on Grammy´s was january 31, sun-day... ;) but would be better if that MJ kids "performance" would be on thursday 28... :lol: maybe was their birthday present for daddy :P
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From my blog.
Neverland
The gates of Neverland have/had a royal crest similar to the British Royal families crest on them.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/16/article-1147286-038ABD84000005DC-931_634x593.jpg)
Neverland gates with the Jackson Family Crest[/size]
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcH6Bx5seI/AAAAAAAAAEY/x4lYmCyxlxI/s400/UK_Royal_Coat_of_Arms.png)
There is a possible link in Michael’s ancestry to royalty. The Royal families claim to trace their bloodline back to King David and beyond. Kind David is a descendant of Jesus.
This link to Jesus is why the are considered Royalty in the first place.
Sheets
Michael was wrapped in sheets and not a body bag when taken from the hospital to the coroner; he was also wrapped in a sheet inside the casket. There was what appears to be a large "Knot" in the sheet when the body is being loaded into the helicopter.
[attachment=0:18b8gzzl]Sheet.jpg[/attachment:18b8gzzl]
Knotted Sheet containing Michael Jackson's "body" being loaded into the sheriff's helicopter on June 25, 2009
John 19:40 (King James Version)
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
Mark 15:46 (King James Version)
46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen...
The Autopsy Report
In the Autopsy Report it is also reported that Michael is inside the casket wrapped in sheets after a hair sample has been requested for forensic testing.
The autopsy shows that Michael suffered punctures in both wrists/heel of the hands, both ankles and an unexplained abdominal incision (healed). He also had multiple injuries/scars on his back, arms, legs etc. all unexplained.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJeYd6ijahI/AAAAAAAAAGY/gqo2-s_rUK4/s640/autopsy.jpg)
Forest Lawn & the Crypt
The casket is placed into an unmarked crypt which has never been used and sat empty for 50 years.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcJx0D6KpI/AAAAAAAAAEw/8AxrBa_R5oE/s400/MJ+Crypt.jpg)
John 19:41 (King James Version)
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
Mark 15:46 (King James Version)
46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
The stained glass windows above the crypt depict the ascension of Jesus Christ into the heavens after his resurrection.
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3zV9twvNo[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
Michael had a painting created that he called "The Last Supper" this hung over his bed at Neverland and he was depicted as Jesus.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3426343615_dde40f6463.jpg)
Nearby the crypt at Forest Lawn are other recreations of other famous paintings and statuary all related to Jesus.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:BMgA9zL6iDa_8M:http://www.billyspostcards.com/media/ccp0/prodlg/52610/image201005262989.jpg&t=1)
(http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens8414461module72747521photo_1260910445a_pieta.jpg)
Duality
Two pictures used at the funeral from Liberian Girl.
Two pictures symbolizing duality, the human and divine natures that also defined the natures of Jesus.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcVhsoUMBI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/idXShixSysI/s320/0021.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcLSnvAbhI/AAAAAAAAAE4/CIeA7hkcsw8/s320/michael-jackson-reaches-his--final-resting-place--lrg.png)
The Yin Yang Symbol
The Yin Yang Symbol was also shown repeatedly at the memorial this is another symbol for duality. As well as Religious symbols from all the world's major religions.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJeh0fdsacI/AAAAAAAAAG4/gMlyL6G7wmQ/s400/Images.jpg)
(http://www.cribfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ying-yang.gif)
“I am only Human”
Jesus is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man. In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh, (John 1:1,14). This means that in the single person of Jesus is both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14). Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him" nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together," (Eutychianism) nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union.
The 6th of the last Seven Words of Christ - "I'm Thirsty" - A human craving to requirement to maintain physical life
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpiCpELA6Q[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
The Fleur-de-lis
On the gates of Neverland there is also the Fleur-de-lis
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJ3_DUmVsFI/AAAAAAAAAHE/5eE5Jy8f3OY/s400/Fleur-de-lis.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/H%C3%A9raldique_meuble_Fleur_de_lys_liss%C3%A9e.svg/250px-H%C3%A9raldique_meuble_Fleur_de_lys_liss%C3%A9e.svg.png)
The Fleur-de-lis represents the Iris and is associated with the Kings of France and is also used on the British Coat of Arms. It is a representation of the Iris flower.
(http://www.ancientrootsresearch.com/Hap-I/Chivalry-iris.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Fleur.iris.2.png)
The Iris and France
There are various legends of how the iris came to represent the French monarchy but most center around two historical incidents separated in time by six hundred years. Clovis who in 496 A.D. is said to have abandoned the three toads on his banner in favor of the fleur-de-lis. His Christian Queen Clotilda, had long sought to convert her heathen husband but he always ignored her plea. Then faced with a formidable army of Alamanni, the Germanic tribe invading his kingdom, he told his wife that if he won the coming battle he would admit her God was strongest and be baptized. He did win and the toads whose symbolism would be most interesting to know disappeared.
The second incident occurred in 1147. Louis VII of France had a dream that convinced him to adopt the purple iris as his device shortly before setting out for his ill-fated crusade. Thus the fleur-de-lis became the symbol on the banner of France for the next six hundred years. Or twelve hundred years if we take it from the time of Clovis that the iris became the symbol for a great nation.
The iris was so powerful a symbol of the French kings that the Revolutionaries in 1789 set out to totally obliterate it the symbol of the hated monarchy. It was chipped off buildings and torn from draperies. Men were guillotined for wearing a fleur-de-lis on their clothes or as jewelry. The revolution succeeded and the symbol of the fleur-de-lis is only a memory now and is considered merely a conventionalized ornament or decoration.
http://www.sfheart.com/iris.html (http://www.sfheart.com/iris.html)
In the never seen before photograph used at the Funeral, Michael is holding Purple Irises.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcLSnvAbhI/AAAAAAAAAE4/CIeA7hkcsw8/s400/michael-jackson-reaches-his--final-resting-place--lrg.png)
The Symbolic and Religious Meaning of the Colour Purple
Some interesting facts and information about the symbolic, religious, Christian and Biblical meaning of the colour Purple
* Purple is always associated with Royalty
* Purple togas were worn by the all powerful Roman Emperors
* The symbolic meaning of the colour purple was for penitence and mourning
* Purple also has a Christian / Biblical meaning and is the liturgical colour for the seasons of Lent and Advent
* Only the most expensive dyes were used to produce the colour purple, it therefore became symbolic with wealth and power
* People who were allowed to wear the colour purple during the Elizabethan era, as decreed by the English Sumptuary Laws, were the Queen, Queen's mother, children, and sisters, and aunts. The King, King's mother, children, brethren, and uncles
The Memorial and Funeral Flowers.
There were also purple Irises throughout the lilies on the arrangement on the coffin at the funeral.
Song of Solomon 2 (King James Version)
1 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.
Most expositors agree that these are the words of Jesus where he expresses his own excellencies, to draw, allure and enamor the souls of those that love and long after him.
The Rose
(http://yourfuneralguy.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/alg_michael_jackson_coffin.jpg?w=485&h=346)
A Rose is the offspring and fruit of a good, though seemingly dry root. Jesus, touching his human nature, is the offspring of David, or “a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots,” Isaiah 11:1.
A Rose is a beautiful flower, very pleasant and delightful to the eye, of different colors, red and white, and in some curiously joined and intermixed together, red and white; shows an excellent complexion, and makes up a perfect beauty. Christ is said to be “white and ruddy” Song of Solomon 5:10. Some understand thereby his two natures (Duality), by the white his divinity, by the red his humanity: the one denotes his natural purity and innocence; the other, his bloody agony and suffering.
A Rose is a fragrant and sweet flower, it yields a most excellent and odoriferous scent. Jesus yields a most fragrant and lovely saviour. What is so sweet and refreshing to the spiritual sense of the soul, as the merits and saving graces of Christ? “Thy name is as ointment poured forth,” Song of Solomon 1:3.
The Rose is called by naturalists the queen of flowers, none to be compared to it. Jesus infinitely excels all others, whether angels or men; none are to be compared to him. He is the Head, the flower, and glory of things in heaven, and of things on earth, “Thou art fairer than the children of men”, “the chiefest among ten thousand,” Psalms 45:2, Song of Solomon 5:10.
The Rose of Sharon signifies the flower of the field, Sharon being a place or plain wherein king David’s herds and cattle were fed, 1 Chronicles 27:29. Roses that grow in a field, are not planted by man, and indeed do lie open to beasts, to be spoiled, plucked to pieces, or trodden down. Jesus Christ was not planted by man, but by the hand of the Father; when brought forth into the field of this world, how open did he lie to evil beasts, such as Herod and the Jews were? How was he plucked to pieces, as it were, and trodden under their feet? He was laid open to almost all manner of sorrow and suffering, Isaiah 53:3-5.
The Roses of Sharon were free: persons might have access to them, when they could not to other flowers that were in close and secret gardens. Jesus is free for all, whoever will, may come and take the good and gracious virtue, and soul-refreshing blessings that are in him, Isaiah 55:1, Revelation 22:17. He is a fountain opened, Zechariah 13:1. The good that is in God is no other ways communicated to mankind, but in and through him.
Sharon was a place of pasture, a place of feeding, where the flocks used to rest, a very fruitful valley. Christ is to be found in green pastures: “He maketh me to lie down in green pastures,” Psalms 23:2.
The Rose yields a very precious oil, good in divers cases. Jesus affords a very precious oil, called the oil of gladness, which is of a most sovereign virtue.
http://www.learnthebible.org/christ-the ... haron.html (http://www.learnthebible.org/christ-the-rose-of-sharon.html)
The Lily
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:eYMiCY_biWNcMM:http://parodyfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/full_michael_jackson_funeral_011_wenn5346404.jpg&t=1)
The lily is a sweet and a fragrant flower. Jesus' spiritual sweetness very much excels and transcends the sweetest of any odours that can be mentioned.
A lily is white and very beautiful; within it are seven golden grains or seeds. White denotes holiness, purity and perfection. Purity is essential, originally, perfectly, and absolutely inherent in Christ; He is holiness itself, His glory is infinite, within and without, every way glorious; the perfection of beauty.
The lily is exceeding fruitful; one root puts forth fifty bulbs or scallions. Jesus is exceeding fruitful, from this root, from him many Christians have sprung.
The lily is the tallest of flowers, yet hangs down its head. Jesus is higher than the mighty princes, kings and emperors of the earth, higher than heaven or angels, and yet humble and lowly in heart; therefore he is compared to the lily of the valley, in his exaltation, as God very high; but in his humiliations, he seems to hang down his head.
The lily is a flower that hath many medicinal virtues. Jesus is excellently good to cure all the diseases and maladies of the soul; it cures spiritual blindness, it softens a hard heart, it cures stubbornness and obstinacy. There is no malady too hard for this spiritual Physician.
http://www.learnthebible.org/christ-the ... alley.html (http://www.learnthebible.org/christ-the-lily-of-the-valley.html)
LMP called for sunflowers "Michael's favourite flowers". Sunflowers represent God (as does the sun itself) and God's love.
Lisa Marie Presley Wants Flowers at MJ's Tomb
5/12/2010 3:00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
Lisa Marie Presley claims she's disappointed at the "empty space" surrounding Michael Jackson's tomb -- so she's now challenging MJ fans to flood the place with sunflowers ASAP.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/05/12/0512-lisa-marie-michael-jac.jpg)
LMP just posted a message on her MySpace page describing her recent visit to Michael's grave site at Forest Lawn. Presley -- who was married to MJ back in the '90s -- says she believes Michael "deserves more" than the "few bouquets, candles and gifts" that currently surround Michael's grave.
Presley -- who notes Michael's infatuation with sunflowers -- is calling for fans to send a "Sun Shower" to the tomb because, "I know how much he loved and appreciated being showered with Gifts and flowers by his fans."
http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/lisa-mari ... ce-letter/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/lisa-marie-presley-michael-jackson-tomb-grave-site-sunflowers-myspace-letter/)
The Jack5on Family Dynasty
In the A & E show "Jack5on a Family Dynasty" there was another painting showing a Sunflower, Michael, a Dove, and a Butterfly.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcWiHNzeFI/AAAAAAAAAFg/DV9gkkLxkCA/s400/JFD+painting+2.jpg)
The Sunflower = God the Father
Michael = The Son
The Dove = The Holy Spirit
The Butterfly = Resurrection
The Video for the Song "Scream"
There are many clues in this video but a significant one is that we are shown the painting entitled "The Son of Man".
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJcXjGi7yrI/AAAAAAAAAFw/9o8aljGUouI/s400/Apple+head+painting.jpg)
TMZ has a gallery of people wearing bowler hats with an apple in front of their face (some related to Michael) just like the painting.
(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/05/36286PCN_Jacksons13_1_full.jpg)
Michael's nickname is "Apple Head".
The phrase "Son of Man" is another name for Jesus and is how he referred to himself.
The Halo
The halo is used in depictions of Holy and sacred individuals.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9896)
The Song "Scream" Lyrics
Michael sings "Father, please have mercy, I just can't take it anymore"
Jesus’ first words on the cross “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Psalm 22:1.
Jam Lyrics
I Just Want You To Recognize Me In The Temple.
Jesus tells us that our bodies are our temples.
1 Corinthians 6:19 (King James Version)
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
So Michael wants us to recognize who he is within ourselves.
Do you recognize him yet?
The Song "This Is It".
Michael sings "I am the Light of the World, this is real".
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_SLU3m6uCA[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
The light of the world is another name for Jesus and the Messiah.
The Trailer for the Movie "This Is It"
There are many allusions to Michale being the messiah in the trailer for his movie "This Is It"
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi_5Ea-Y3GA[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
The Movie "This Is It"
In the "Thriller" sequence we are shown the dead falling back to earth, symbolizing the resurrection of the dead and Michael is surrounded by "Zombies" who are the dead resurrected.
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Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism all variously describe a resurrection of the dead, usually referring to a regeneration of all people to face God on Judgment Day.
The Number 7
– Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
– Michael Jackson’s memorial was on 7/7/09 … exactly 7 years after the will was signed.
– Michael Jackson’s two biggest hits — “Black & White” and “Billie Jean” — were each #1 for 7 weeks.
– Michael Jackson’s three biggest albums — “Thriller,” “Bad” and “Dangerous” — each produced 7 top 40 hits.
– Michael Jackson was the 7th of 9 children.
– Michael Jackson was born in 1958 … 19 + 58 = 77
– Michael Jackson died on the 25th … 2 + 5 = 7
– Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last name.
The number 7 is a spiritual number. It is the number of the perfect man. It is associated with God.
The 777 Shirt Michael Wears in the Movie "This Is It'.
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777 is in fact God’s number.
The Phrase "This Is It".
Michael makes it clear that there is finality in his use of this phrase at the O2 press Conference,
“This is it, this is really it, this is the final curtain call.”
"This is it" when used like this means - This is the end; It is finished.
Jesus’ last words on the cross “It is finished!” (John 19:30).
Michael’s crucifixion was complete and the next phase of his mission is about to begin.
The Green Man
Michael appears as a “Green Man” in the video for the remake of the song “We Are The World”.
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Osiris/Horus Connection.
Green man represents resurrection and is associated with Osiris, Jesus, the Messiah, as well as Peter Pan. “Michael tells us in the Bashir documentary “I am Peter Pan”…in other words, I am the Green Man, I am the Messiah.
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Image from the hood of Michael's motorized cart from Neverland
The Arno Bani Photo Shoot
This photo shoot took place in 1991 but pictures have only recently been released. The photos were originally taken to be used for the cover of the "Invincible" album. Michael entitled these photographs "The Sphinx"
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Michael's inspiration fro this photo shoot was a fashion photograph that appeared on the cover of the 'Sunday Times Style'. It features a woman who appears to be Egyptian Royalty. The particular magazine is entitled "WRAPTURE"
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The Rapture
The Rapture is an event in the futurist interpretation of Christian eschatology, in which it is posited that Christians will be gathered together in the air to meet the MESSIAH at his return.
The primary passage used to support this idea is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, in which Paul cites "the word of the Lord" about the return of the messiah to gather his saints.
...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.
"Back"
The above picture also shows the Michael's "back" and has multiple meanings
Michael is back - Michael is coming back; he is returning
Michael is Back"- Michael is the poster using the screen name "Back" on the mjjcommunity.com forums.
Screen Name "Back"
This member uses the screen name "Back". They have been giving predictions of all of this years before anything ever occurred (since 2005). It is believed that they are Michael himself and "Back" is still actively posting.
"Back's" posts
The following is just an example of one of the posts by back that indicates that Michael is the Messiah.As one who embodies "vision" past 20/20, occurrences of the future are often "experienced". But many times this "experience" comes in the form of internal jolts, indicative of something of great significance. Séance hoaxes are not applicable.There are tIMEs when details are sparse, but abundant enough to "see" the grandness, just as it was in this magnetism towards the tHeOrY of sEVEN.
Exit Angel Gabriel----enter Angel Michael
Luke 1:36
"And in the sixth month the angel (Gabri)el was sent from God unto a city......
.........espoused to a man whose name was Joseph..."
And in the sixth month the angel (Micha)el was “statused” by God in a city...(of Angels)
.........espoused to a man whose name was Joseph.
On 6-25-09, tIME took a literal backseat to the mOMENt. I could always "see" a Silhouette on a Grand-stage, once again taking over the World. Perhaps also parallel in holding to our proclamation that this was NOT a "comeback", but a take-over. This was it. And in a thunderous sense,----- it was. It just didn't dawn on me that that Grand Stage would be in the Heavens; A visual Staple-d to the Center of our minds for all eternity.
Physically--no more, but with us in an eternal Angelic presence. We witnessed the beginning of this transfer on 7/7 of this historical year.
As History has shown, reflected through the books and logics of many faiths, Prophets do and have walked amongst us. They have sometimes been Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh. And in their allotted tIME, their purposes have most often been message DeLIVErance.
In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.
2+5, The days of Christ and Michael.
Although many other Great Worldly figures, ranging from Martin to Mother Teresa, have graced this Earth with soul driven purposes that have benefited humanity, there have ONLY been two who have been subjected to literal crucifixions; before, during and after their deaths. And even in the face of these crucifixions, they both maintained hearts filled with love, sensitivity and care for all man/woman-kind. They carried rare emotional connections to and concerns for every single poor and sick person on the planet; Especially the children. They were in-tune with the necessary nurturance that this magnificent creation we inhabit requires for survival. They both never stopped giving and wanting to give more! They even carried compassion and hope for those who were consumed with evil and sought to do them both harm. An EXTREME rarity!
Christ was the savior of lives once as a physical being
So too was Michael Jackson.
I’m sure there are “many” here on this very board who can attest to that. My word itself does not have to be taken as conclusive. The proof will be provided through acknowledgement.
Throughout the decades of the modern tIMEs we live, many Great figures have suffered untIMEly demises. Deep reflection of these occurrences will or should give you great pause. The easiest approach up until about 20 years ago was always by the bullet. What changed the trend? Well, along came awareness, suspicion, and non-acceptance of "stories" that carry potholes in logic. Thus, it demanded a necessity for more elaborate plans of execution that are now used as a means of thwarting the full truth. This process had to be in magnification ten fold in order to end the physical existence of the most famous person walking this Earth. Many OTHER attempts had failed, even though they left enormous wounds. You see, evil always goes for the jugular by attacking a person's greatest strength. Michael Jackson's greatest strength was pure love. The antagonist of such a principle is hate. So they used that pure love and coupled it with another of his strengths towards healing and caring for sick children to formulate perhaps the most wickedly contrived fiction in history. The goal was to create the most egregious of perceptions and marvel with pleasure and amusement at its historically noted difficulty to disprove. But I'm of the vision that this stain too shall be removed in due course. In fact, I have intuition that the subject of the first narrative has already, years ago, righted that wrong behind the scenes. For that individual or even those of his acquaintance, who are ambivalent about the “open” approach & legalities, these initials (T-M) are your "key". Trust ME!
Though the hands of tIME still move incrementally, tick-tock, tick-tock, it is quickly running thin on the 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution. I can now understand that "vision" of 6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY. This is no conspiracy theory! However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing--- are two different things.
Arms, wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same.
JUSTICE........For it is already written!
And shall be illUMINATED! (E. Chandler— I hope you left proper notice repenting---the inferno awaits and you shall become a believer in what you didn’t before. HELL is your EQUALIZER. You’ve earned it!
“With all the ingredients—is it Simmering---can you smell it—how long before the “pie” is done.” – As many have realized, IT would have been greatness to an infinite degree.
Mr. Jackson--- you know I still have your back--- until my end.
Connected
KEEP Watchin'.......
"This is my planet. You're ONE of Us" --- The Greatest
11/19/09
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt) ... ost2388932
"Back" has a reverence, deep love and respect for Katherine, Michael’s mother, he vehemently defends her. He presents her as an almost saintly figure.
Jesus’ mother Mary is considered a Saint and revered in both Christian and the Muslim religions..
Will You Be There?
Michael channelling his higher power and his music came from God.
JACKSON: I wrote "Will You Be There?" at my house, "Never Land" in California. ... I didn't think about it hard. That's why its hard to take credit for the songs that I write, because I just always feel that its done from above. I feel fortunate for being that instrument through which music flows. I'm just the source through which it comes. I can't take credit for it because its Gods work. He's just using me as the messenger.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n1_v48/ai_12824421/
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiPhxj8FLg[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
The lyrics of many of Michael's songs, including “Will You Be There”, also give us clues to whom he really is, as does the symbolism in many of Michael's performances.
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COcN_TmWpPE[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8uQqbLJH4[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
Letter to the Media
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“I must endure for the power I was sent forth by, for the world, for the children. But have mercy, for I’ve been bleeding for a long time now.”
Dateline Interview of Rabbi Shmuley and the "Michael Tapes"
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owu1bkBtTbI[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JrJ0GAbKag[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
Messiah Complex
A messiah complex is a state of mind in which the individual believes he/she is, or is destined to become, a savior. The messiah complex does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)
So this is not an actual mental disorder at all.
In the tapes included with Rabbi Shmuley's interview, Michael also claims that he has ability to heal.
Many of the “miracles” Jesus is attributed with include healing.
The Surgical Mask
The surgical mask is a symbol of a doctor.
What is a doctor?
A HEALER.
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La Toya's Interview with Barbra Walters on 20/20
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86LGDbHPLI4[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
The Jehovah’s Witnesses
The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Arch Angel Michael and the Jesus and the Messiah are one in the same.
There have been many comparisons made between Michael and Arch Angel Michael.
Daniel 12:1
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 10:13
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Revelation 12:7 (King James Version)
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
A group of Jehovah’s Witnesses came forward and claimed that Michael Jackson was the Messiah.
Dr. Cornel West & Dr. Michael Dyson
They appeared on the "Tavis Smiley Show", here is an excerpt of what was said.
West: "It's almost like a crucifixion, in terms of the cross you have to bear," said professor Cornel West. "We reap the fruits of the resurrection, in terms of the power that emanates from [Jackson's] sacrifice. He sacrificed his childhood because he loved us so. He didn't just entertain us, he sustained us."
Dyson: "There's no question that the transcendent art that he created was a means, an instrument, a vehicle, for others to experience what he did not. His soul got more deeply rooted in the existential agony and the profound social grief. And what he did was he allowed us through his voice and his instrument to see a glimpse of the heaven that he himself was denied."
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200906/20090630_west.html?vid=tavi08s2b61qa2d#video
The Sign
Let's not forget that TS (The Sign) has told us, in previous updates, that Michael has not revealed himself because we aren't ready yet.
[youtube:18b8gzzl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEIAPvz6HeI[/youtube:18b8gzzl]
I know I have missed some things but how many clues must we be presented with, before we decide to consider the message?
Are you ready to see the man you never knew?
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i have to say this , serenity , im always looking for ur posts , nice work ,you , bec , and some other investigators of this hoax make me stay here and keep the faith.
good job darling , i think u got a fan here
kisses mary
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Wow, Souza and Serenitys_Dream! I feel so many emotions. I feel like a birthing is taking place; there's groans and pain but the effort is pushing something joyful and extraordinary out.
Who was it said that Michael Jackson is an Institution (Frank Dileo or Randy Phillips? cant remember) but in a way it's true. There's books, more like a 77 volume collection, that could be written on him, Majors in University given on studying him, and much more. I hope and pray that thoughts and explorations like this could be spoken openly without worrying that people think you're blaspheming. I don't think in those religious boxes anymore, at least I try not to.
But you know how since the days of Jesus/Yahshuah, there have been uncountable books written, Bible colleges formed, churches or study places about His life/work, millions of cultures who base everything they do on His life for 2000 years. Perhaps the disciples and early believers in 33 to 35 AD, felt much like us, with a sense of excitement, fear, wonder, since no New Testament books had been written yet, and no knew what exactly to believe yet. Slowly the stories started emerging and were being written down and collected, and debated on as to which were accurate and which were not. Then an authoritative group decided that God wanted only these books to go into the Canon or offical collection (New Testament).
But at the time Jesus/Yahshuah actually lived (assuming He did), few believed He was not just a regular guy-- smart, shy kid of the local carpenter, just like billions around the world have observed Michael and enjoyed him as unique but regular guy from a small child to middle-aged man. I mean just like Michael, He (sorry to say this but I hope you understand why I'm saying this) Jesus probably farted, burped, maybe swore the odd time, looked pretty women up and down and craved for them sometimes, had a loud crazy laugh, pulled some pranks. People don't like to think that He did, and slowly over time this person becomes larger than life, revered, stories get perhaps fanciful and exaggerated. Jerusalem was ruled in the first century by Romans. Ancient religious teaching from the Egyptians, Greeks, Babylonians would have been readily understood and familiar to any people with education. When Jesus said and did the things he did, it started to become apparent that he was a fulfillment and/or repeated figure with the same Godly attributes, that were listed in the above videos (from Egypt, Greece, India, etc. We are noting today that Michael is repeating these themes and attributes. Michael repeatedly says it's all from God.
In the videos you posted Souza, the point the writer is trying to say is that since the story is repeated it means it's all fanciful and everyone just copied the first imaginative talented Egyptians who just happened to create it, because they looked up in the sky and saw the sun and movement and formation of the stars in story pictures like cavemen or children might. This writer must be an atheist that thinks things are just random and coincidental. There can be different theories trying to explain how a things is the way it is, but it doesn't mean they are right. I don't believe that just because the themes are repeated, that it invalidates them. We on this hoax forum have examined things, and are convinced even through TS that these hoax details by the thousands are not just random coincidences, but calculated and designed by a mastermind--Michael. Much to do is made about all the Old Testament prophecies of Jesus that have been fulfilled, and that the chances of them all being fulfilled is in the billions or whatever, suggesting it is a miraculous doing by God. Likewise the chances of details relating to each other(coincidences) in Michael's life and this hoax happening are in the trillions. Zooming way out, the chances of all the stories throughout history all relating to each other and repeating, are all in the trillions as well, ALL proving to mankind there is a God, who is directing a movie. It's a good one, well worth watching!!!
I believe that a watchmaker has to have a maker, an great painting has to have a painter--they don't create themselves. There is only one being of necessity that did not have a beginning or was created by someone/thing else, that is God/Creator -call Him what you want. He has the designed the stars, the constellations, and the story of history. It might seem like the Egyptians just happened to have a lively imagination to come up with all that stuff, and copied by other civilizations. No, it's God's inspiration from start to finish. (Same God inspiring todays art--movies, etc.) Like Michael has done with this hoax, God has laid repititiously the story of His Son into everything. It is probably repeated even more places than even what this video creator has shown. To me it is a marvel, a thing of indescribable beauty. The angels/aliens also know and recognize the beauty of this overarching plan of the Universe. Michael, I believe is in tune with this grand plan of God's. See how Michael is weaving the same themes throughout all his songs, videos, TII. He is reflective of what his Father is doing on a ultra ultra grand scale. Also Michael is opening up our eyes to new glorious understanding, new possibilities, hope, and while much is still hidden, I believe it will all come out in time. God is all about timing.
I believe Michael is the one, the chosen representative for God at this crux or place in the story of God. Michael is explaining God's plan to us, if you will. God does not have a body or a voice. He speaks through nature, through humans, through all literature/art, and Michael has a chosen place, chosen before the foundation of the world. We all have assigned roles. I am simply marvelling at what I am witnessing. I feel like Anna and Simeon must have felt like when they held baby Jesus in their arms and (psychically or in the Spirit) knew this child was destined for world-wide and historical significance.
This is all a God thing. Perhaps Michael is not as genius or aware as we might think, but it is God who moves, motivates, guides, speaks, protects, creates through him. I've long thought already that the stuff we're seeing collectively is impossible for an ordinary gifted guy to plan, execute and keep track of, and direct others in. But if God is involved, then ANYTHING, no matter how grandiose, is possible.
Once you open that door a crack, look out... Or as "back" would say, "Keep watching". What a thriller!! But the world is not ready yet. Like a Locomotive pulling 100 cars, it has to start ve-e-ry slowly but with power, to change people's thinking. The process of my mind changing has been that slow. You first have to unlearn the things you believe before you can believe new things, and that's what's so hard. That's why children embrace things quickly, since they are empty of belief.
In my 10-12 year journey I have been on, I have been following crumbs. My beliefs are not written in stone, but are being constantly adjusted as new understanding comes. I'm stretching, growing, open. I don't want to be gullible and believe every thing that comes my way though. But I try to verify, cross-reference, compare, organize, conceptualize, you get the idea. For almost every topic that I researched in the past, I would try to read every available opinion or article or vantage point on it, in fact combed the net for every single site discussing it before I was satisfied that something was true. I don't get dreams, but I get this deep feeling inside of me, or an awareness that is so strong. Not psychic but just a big picture in my mind. I am just trying to honestly express myself to you guys, and I hope you can get something out of this attempt. :) Sorry if I am rambling. :roll:
Just to be silly, maybe on all the other 777,777,777,777,777,777,777 (7 :lol: )inhabited planets out there, perhaps one per star like our sun, in just our galaxy alone, the Milky Way--by remote satelite imagry alien (human-looking or otherwise) beings by the uncountable numbers are watching us and studying every detail, laughing/crying/cheering. Those in UFO's are observing close-at-hand perhaps collecting some of the information to send back. They might be referees. Some are agitators. I like the movie The Truman Show by Jim Carrey. (notice 'true man') "Truth can be stranger than fiction."
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The Truman Show
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Starring Jim Carrey
Plot
The movie is framed around the television show "The Truman Show." Its main character, Truman Burbank, has lived his entire life since before birth in front of cameras for the show, though he himself is unaware of this fact. Truman's life is filmed through thousands of hidden cameras, 24 hours a day and broadcast live around the world, allowing executive producer Christof to capture Truman's real emotion and human behavior when put in certain situations. Truman's hometown of Seahaven is a complete set built under a giant dome and populated by the show's actors and crew, allowing Christof to control every aspect of Truman's life, even the weather. To prevent Truman from discovering his false reality, Christof has invented means of dissuading his sense of exploration, including "killing" his father in a storm while on a fishing trip to instill in him a fear of the water, and making many news reports and 'adverts' about the dangers of travelling, and featuring television shows about how good it is to stay at home. However, despite Christof's control, Truman has managed to behave in unexpected manners, in particular falling in love with an extra, Sylvia, instead of Meryl, the actress intended to be his wife. Though Sylvia is removed from the set quickly, her memory still resonates with him, and he secretly thinks of her outside of his marriage to Meryl. Sylvia subsequently starts a "Free Truman" campaign that fights to have Truman freed from the show.
In the film's present, during the 30th year "The Truman Show" has been on the air, Truman discovers facts that seem out of place, such as a spotlight from the artificial night sky constellations that nearly hits him (quickly passed off by local radio as an airplane's dislodged landing light) and a "Truman Show" crew conversation on his car radio that is describing his morning commute into work. These events are punctuated by the reappearance of Truman's father, supposedly "dead," onto the set, at first dressed as a hobo. All of this causes Truman to start wondering about his life, realizing much of the town seems to revolve around him. Stress on Meryl to continue her role in spite of Truman's increasing skepticism and attendant hostility causes their marriage to unravel. Truman seeks to get away from Seahaven but is blocked by the inability to arrange for flights, bus breakdowns, sudden masses of traffic, and an apparent nuclear meltdown. After Meryl breaks down and is taken off the show, Christof officially brings back Truman's father, hoping his presence will keep Truman from trying to leave. However, he only provides a temporary respite: Truman soon becomes isolated and begins staying alone in his basement after Meryl "leaves" him. One night, Truman manages to escape the basement undetected via a secret tunnel, forcing Christof to temporarily suspend broadcasting of the show for the first time in its history. This causes a surge in viewership, with many viewers, including Sylvia, cheering on Truman's escape attempt.
Christof orders every actor and crew member to search the town, breaking the town's daylight cycle to help in the search. They find that Truman has managed to overcome his fear of the water and has been sailing away from the town in a small boat named Santa Maria (the name of the ship in which Christopher Columbus discovered the New World). After restoring the broadcast, Christof orders the show's crew to create a large storm to try to capsize the boat. However, Truman's determination eventually leads Christof to terminate the storm. As Truman recovers, the boat reaches the edge of the dome, its bow piercing through the dome's painted sky. An awe-struck Truman then discovers a flight of stairs nearby, leading to a door marked "EXIT". As he contemplates leaving his world, Christof speaks directly to Truman via a powerful sound system, trying to persuade him to stay and arguing that there is no more truth in the real world than there is in his own, artificial world. Truman, after a moment's thought, delivers his catchphrase, "In case I don't see you ... good afternoon, good evening, and good night," bows to his audience, and steps through the door and into the real world. The assembled television viewers excitedly celebrate Truman's escape, and Sylvia quickly leaves her apartment to reunite with him. A network executive orders the crew to cease transmission. With the show completed, members of Truman's former audience are shown looking for something else to watch.
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I also think that it will not be The End Of The World but the end of an era and the beginning of a new and the last era before the real end of the world. We already feel it because almost everybody recognizes that time runs faster these days even if one hour is still made of 60 minutes. It's our perception of time that changes and maybe that this phenomenon will accelerate. I also think that it will not be a smooth transition, that there will be disasters, the likes which destroyed the dinausors. :D
Regarding Michael I truly believe that God is helping him, it wouldn't be possible without God's help. In my mind he can be a Messenger but it needs a proof from God, being a chosen Messenger is not a small thing, it means that Angel Gabriel came for Michael to announce him his "new job" or that Michael's soul was raised above to be informed of his messengership. I deeply believe in God and I personnally need a significant sign that Michael must provide us, proving that he is well an official Messenger chosen by God to guide us. All Prophets and Messengers provided such a sign and true believers in God should recognize it. That's why I am patiently waiting for what TS has to say about the Ark of the Covenant to understand how and why it is connected with Michael.
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serenity, I didn't know that Back was still posting, I think I need to go and check mjjcommunity. (oh, I just did and it said I have been banned, anyone else having the same problem? :? )
I think there are more references to the bible/jesus than we might discover. We have seen that not only after 6/25, but also in the years before that. I see him as the one guiding us into the new age, he is the only one that can make that happen. This is an interesting time. Everywhere you look you can sense the change happening already. He is the one that needs to give that final push. That is why he needs to return, otherwise all will have been in vain. I think we should be careful with calling him a messiah. Although in theory that might be the correct word to use, it will make people sceptical, most definitely the ones that are not religious. I am not religious, but I am very interested in astrology and therefore understand it. But most people who are not religious will oppose this. I rather call him a leader, a guide, a teacher.
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I wonder whether the pics at the funeral, with the bandage around his hand and wrist, are symbolic for injuries from being nailed to a cross.? And the cracked mantle piece....any ideas???
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serenity, I didn't know that Back was still posting, I think I need to go and check mjjcommunity. (oh, I just did and it said I have been banned, anyone else having the same problem? :? )
It seems lots of people are banned. I don't know why that is. I will have to check later, I haven't been on there in a while.
I think there are more references to the bible/jesus than we might discover. We have seen that not only after 6/25, but also in the years before that. I see him as the one guiding us into the new age, he is the only one that can make that happen. This is an interesting time. Everywhere you look you can sense the change happening already. He is the one that needs to give that final push. That is why he needs to return, otherwise all will have been in vain. I think we should be careful with calling him a messiah. Although in theory that might be the correct word to use, it will make people sceptical, most definitely the ones that are not religious. I am not religious, but I am very interested in astrology and therefore understand it. But most people who are not religious will oppose this. I rather call him a leader, a guide, a teacher.
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I am not religious either and I understand what you are saying. I don't think it is just the non-religious though that have a problem with the word "messiah". It is how Michael is portraying himself, I didn't make the things in my blog up (just as you didn't in the original post of this thread); they have been there right in front of us. They have been posted all over the forums, I was just trying to gather them in one place so I made the blog.
The word messiah does mean
1. the promised and expected deliverer of the Jewish people.
2. Jesus Christ, regarded by Christians as fulfilling this promise and expectation. John 4:25, 26.
3. any expected deliverer.
4. a zealous leader of some cause or project.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/messiah
As I posted on another thread the whole messiah issue has not been defined, whether that is a literal one, a metaphorical one, or a spiritual one is still to be debated but there is something undeniable in the symbols, song lyrics and other clues in this huge adventure.
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I wonder whether the pics at the funeral, with the bandage around his hand and wrist, are symbolic for injuries from being nailed to a cross.?
Good question 2good2btrue. This is what I found.
Hand Symbolism & Beliefs
The hands are naturally the instruments of that will and divine blessing and have come to symbolize Man, or Adam; for only beings on the evolutionary level of man are given the prerogative to determine their own fate. It is said that not even angels have this freedom to choose, for their nature compels them to abide by the divine law. Man on the other hand, through choice, learns what it means to align himself with, or to disobey Cosmic laws. Man learns the consequences of his actions, and wise is he who takes responsibility for them.
The Hand of Jesus as the Hand of Power
The hand of Jesus as the Hand of Power or "Mano Poderosa." In the depiction of the crucified hand, all of the fingers are extended with various saints standing upon the digits.
"The image is of a huge wounded (but not bleeding) right hand, which points up through clouds, cut palm toward us. The lines in the palm are shown, and it looks like the head line is cut. The fingers are all of eerily uniform length, with a long thin thumb. Small, disembodied, winged cherub-heads float in the sky above the hand.
"To the left and right of the hand are four kneeling female angels who gaze upward and bear the tools of the crucifixion. Of the two on the left, one holds a bowl to catch Jesus' blood; the other holds a spear and vinegar sop in one hand and hammer and nails in the other. Of the two on the right, one holds a cross and the other a crown of thorns.
"Atop clouds on the little finger stands an older male saint with a book. The ring finger's clouds hold a female saint; the middle finger's, a younger male saint with a white lily; the forefinger's, the Virgin Mary; and the deformed thumb's clouds bear the toddler Jesus holding a globe in his right hand and raising his left."
From the above we may surmise that not only are hands the symbol of Man, they are also the symbol of divinity, for the sacred hand of the Divine One have its influence upon the mundane affairs of humanity when men have gone too far astray from the path of Truth and righteousness. Scriptures are replete with stories of divine intervention or action with materialized hands as a media of information conveyance or operation. Not only did the hand of God "inscribe" the Ten Commandments upon the stone tablets prepared by Moses, it also warned Belshazzar of his impending doom--a spirit hand materialized and wrote on the wall "Mene, Mene Tekel, U-pharsin" (Daniel 5: 24-25).
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mudras-hand-symbolism-hand-symbolism-beliefs-part-1.html
The Powerful Hand
The Powerful Hand (Mano Poderosa in Spanish) depicts the right hand of God with fingers and thumb stretched upright. The palm, with its stigmata, faces toward the viewer. The figures that stand at the top of the four fingers represent the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph, and her parents, St. Anne St. Joachim. The Christ Child is depicted on the thumb.
The meaning of the hand may derive from ancient times as a sign of magical protection and benediction. Historian Carla Wisch explains, "Within popular Catholicism, the Omnipotent Hand symbolizes the all-powerful hand of Christ. With its stigmata, the severed hand evokes the image of Jesus' hand nailed to the Cross. It most likely evolved from pre-Christian pagan rituals that prophesied the coming of Christ.
(http://www.udayton.edu/mary/images2/poderosa.gif)
http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/yq2/yq327.html
Michael has tape on all his fingers and thumb, except the middle one, of his right hand. The middle one represents St. Joseph, Jesus' father. He also has his palm taped which is representative of the crucifixion. The tape on the wrist, may be symbolizing the disembodiment of the hand, as we see it depicted in the painting.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10090)
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Serenitys_Dream
Sheets
Michael was wrapped in sheets and not a body bag when taken from the hospital to the coroner; he was also wrapped in a sheet inside the casket. There was what appears to be a large "Knot" in the sheet when the body is being loaded into the helicopter.
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Knotted Sheet containing Michael Jackson's "body" being loaded into the sheriff's helicopter on June 25, 2009
John 19:40 (King James Version)
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
Mark 15:46 (King James Version)
46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen...
The Autopsy Report
In the Autopsy Report it is also reported that Michael is inside the casket wrapped in sheets after a hair sample has been requested for forensic testing.
I always wondered about the word 'sheets' in MJ's song Black or White.
I Am Tired Of This Devil
I Am Tired Of This Stuff
I Am Tired Of This Business
Sew When The
Going Gets Rough
I Ain't Scared Of
Your Brother
I Ain't Scared Of No Sheets
I Ain't Scared Of Nobody
Girl When The
Goin' Gets Mean
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14296
This screen shot from Casket Man's video.
[youtube:vcngmktw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F599ZCcwMwg[/youtube:vcngmktw]
What about the years at the end of the video.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10045)
2009 -1988 = 21
21 = 3 x 7
777
1988 - 1958 = 30
Ministry of Jesus
According to the Canonical Gospels, the ministry of Jesus began when Jesus was around 30 years old and lasted a period of 1–3 years. In the biblical narrative, Jesus' method of teaching involved parables, metaphor, allegory, sayings, proverbs, and a small number of direct sermons. This was the first coming of Jesus; as most Christian denominations believe in a Second Coming when Jesus will return to the earth to fulfill aspects of Messianic prophecy, such as the general Resurrection of the Dead, the Last Judgment of the dead and the living and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (also called the "Reign of God"), including the Messianic Age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Jesus
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:o This Thread is great!!! I must pursue him ;) thanks!!!!
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Before I explain my thoughts, please watch all three parts below first, or else it's too hard to explain and you might not get some things I address.
[youtube:lon6pbx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw[/youtube:lon6pbx0]
[youtube:lon6pbx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg[/youtube:lon6pbx0]
[youtube:lon6pbx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg[/youtube:lon6pbx0]
Although I am not so sure that all this info is 100% accurate, I do think this is a very plausible theory.
Mike might not have been born by a virgin, his birth may not be announced by a star in the east and probably there weren't 3 kings or magi following that star to adore him, yet I do see a lot of things that made me think about it.
Keep in mind that it's not exact science. If Jesus ever lived I don't think he really did all those things such as walking on water etc., as is presented in the bible, but I do think he might have been someone that started a revolution, something that was the start of the new age of pisces.
Jesus was a child teacher at 12, Mike released his first solo album around the age of 12 (1972)
At the age of 30 Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry, Mike left the JW's and started planning a hoax to heal the world around the age of 30.
Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, Mike had 12 dancers for This is It, performing miracles like raising the dead (Thriller). He also is portrayed on a "Last Supper" together with people that performed miracles in their lives, one way or another.
Jesus was known as the "King of Kings," the "Light of the World, etc., Mike was known as the King of Pop and sings in TII "I'm the light of the world".
Jesus was betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, Mike was betrayed by many, all for $$$
Jesus was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected, Mike was crucified (the 1993 and 2003 accusations, along with all the other slander), was placed in a tomb and will "resurrect".
The video production company shooting the Murray "thanks supporters" video was called Sirius.
Now here is the thing. Some claim we are in the transition to the Age of Aquarius. A Great Year or Platonic Year lasts about 26,000 years. With 12 zodiac signs as we know it, that would mean each astrological age would last about 2,150 years. But only a few know that there are actually 13 zodiac signs: http://www.love-astrology.com/13th-sign ... 13th-sign/ (http://www.love-astrology.com/13th-sign-of-the-zodiac/ophiuchus-13th-sign/)
That would mean that each age would last approx. 2,000 years, meaning that it could very well be that we are at the very beginning of the age of aquarius. Some say we will be fully in the age of aquarius in 2012:
What is the Aquarian Age?
There have been many Ages and shift of Ages throughout the History of Humankind.
The Aquarian Age is dawning and marks the transition into new ways of "being" within the evolution of humanity. The vibrational frequency of the planet has been steadily increasing and we are currently on the cusp leaving the Piscean age behind and it has been predicted that we will be fully in the Aquarian Age by 2012.
The Piscean Age was ruled by machines, hierarchies and ego. The New Aquarian Age will be ruled by awareness, intuition, wisdom (lived knowledge) and experience.
The mind is changing its sensitivity, it's basic frequency and functioning. Our life is changing its sense of time, space, and reality.
5 Sutras for the Aquarian Age:
Recognize that the other person is you
There is a way through every block
When the time is on you, start, and the pressure will be off
Understand through compassion or you will misunderstand the times
Vibrate the Cosmos, the Cosmos shall clear the path
http://100days.ning.com/group/theaquarianage2012 (http://100days.ning.com/group/theaquarianage2012)
What really stood out for me is:
The Piscean Age was ruled by machines, hierarchies and ego. The New Aquarian Age will be ruled by awareness, intuition, wisdom (lived knowledge) and experience.
The mind is changing its sensitivity, it's basic frequency and functioning. Our life is changing its sense of time, space, and reality.
This is exactly what this hoax is doing with us, it's all about awareness and knowledge. 2012 is not the end of the world, it is the end of an age ruled by machines, hierarchies and ego, but someone of course has to bring us into that new age of awareness, intuition, wisdom (lived knowledge) and experience.
As the videos explained, each age has its own hero: Horus, Moses, Jesus, etc. All of them have their own story, each age begins with a change. I, as a firm believer that everything is truly "written in the stars" think Mike could very well be that person that should be the one that will be responsible for that change. Of all people in the world, he is the one that can make that happen. As people said he had a messiah-complex, he himself said he is not Jesus, but wants to be Jesus-like, by helping others. Jesus was the one starting the age of pisces, Mike might be the one that will form the age of aquarius. This could be why we see the Jesus pose, the 12 dancers, the Last Supper, the references to the sun (I'm the light of the world), the sunflowers etc. I think he knows a lot about astrology and I think he might have seen that he has the power and the knowledge to do it.
Another thing that I find interesting, whether or not you believe the theory that Mike was actually born on 1/28/1960, is that according to our known calendar with the 12 signs of the zodiac, Mike would be Aquarius if that theory turns out to be true. For those that haven't seen why it would be possible, here it is again:
I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:
Intelius shows us:
Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:
In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.
[youtube:lon6pbx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:lon6pbx0]
When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).
Then we had this:
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?
It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.
The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)
Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
Okay, so I hope I made sense...and no, I am not high on pot :lol:
[youtube:lon6pbx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH8_M1fbXd4&feature=related[/youtube:lon6pbx0]
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revalation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
Funfact: the next time Jupiter will align with Mars will be in May, 2011. The last time was February 14, 2009 and this occurs every 27 months (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 6050410060 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006050410060)). The moon is in the seventh house twice a day. [/color]
I understand you here and I agree. Michael is a very special human being with a unique calling. I do believe it's related to the Age of Aquarius.
Have you seen this site: http://www.mj-777.com/?p=1960 (http://www.mj-777.com/?p=1960) and here: http://www.mj-777.com/?p=2031 (http://www.mj-777.com/?p=2031)
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serenity, I didn't know that Back was still posting, I think I need to go and check mjjcommunity. (oh, I just did and it said I have been banned, anyone else having the same problem? :? )
I was an old member but since I´m here I didnpt go there and start to visit again the site for back posts, the first time they show me a message that i was banned for life! :lol: but when i ask them why? they say thay have a technical problem and un-banned me... :roll:
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Greetings to all! Huge Souza and Serenity for the helpful information, it was very interesting to read thanks. You have really impressed me.
Forgive for my "five cents", but...... I have just looked at this video and have seen on suit of MJ two fishes (application). Symbolically, truth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOC6CBEU ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOC6CBEUpq8&feature=player_embedded)
Sorry for mistakes.
With love.
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There is a question that has long I'm doing, because we're all in this?, Fans and others who are not fans, such as Souza and Mo, we were all touched by this?
As I said, Michael is a special human being.
Souza and Serenitys_Dream, as always doing good works, then I have read more attentively.
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How did I miss this post? Thanks Souza and Serenity for your research behind this theory. Anyway, I do believe there is definitely a spiritual component to this whole adventure. Personally, it has been an awakening. I also believe there is a STRONG connection to Archangel Michael, besides the name. I am not 100% sure what this connection entails but it is definitely there for me.
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Thank You Souza for starting this thread and Serenity for the wealth of information you have added to it.
The references to Jesus, the "end" of the World and to a lesser extend the Ark of the Covenant, are critical elements of the "Hoax" (As per TIAI) and there are the ones we have the greatest level of uncertainty and the lesser level of consensus on I guess. In a literal sense, it is relatively easy to understand the message, however, it is much less obvious how the information is meant to be applied to the Hoax and how it relates to Michael himself!
There is here the potential for having to find an even bigger padded cell .... with a looooooooot of padding....
I found "Jesus" quoted 11 times in TS updates and 6 times in the TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49) section --- Important?!
TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)
In this final part, we are going to be examining once again the “2012” film—especially as it relates to the concept of the end of the world on 12-21-2012, which is exactly three years from today. The “2012” movie story starts in the year 2009, and ends in 2012.
The “four years” that MJ mentioned in TII started in the spring of 2009 (when the “This Is It” concerts were in the planning stages); so we have already gone through the first year. You could also think of the four years as ending on 9-9-09, 10-10-10, 11-11-11, and 12-12-12 (ten day countdown to 12-21-12). Of course these are a little more than a year apart; but they are interesting numerology milestones in the four year process.
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“Can Ye Not Discern the Signs of the Times?”
Jesus said: “… ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:3). Jesus also said: “… when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh [near], even at the doors. … Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:29-32).
So we don’t know the exact day or hour of the end of the world—maybe not even the exact year. But if we can “discern the signs of the times”, we should be able to know when it is near! The exact date of 12-21-2012 for the end of the world is fiction; it could happen on that date, but unlikely. However the end of the world being near is a very real concept, and not merely fiction. So let’s look at some of the “signs of the times”, which show that the end is near.
Speaking of fleeing at the end of time, Jesus said: “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:20,21). Did you know that 12-21-2012 will be the first day of winter (northern hemisphere)? And did you know that 12-21-2012 will be a Friday? And did you know that in the Bible, the Sabbath day begins at sunset on Friday?? Is it a coincidence, that both of the things which Jesus mentioned (winter and Sabbath) will begin on the same day that the Mayan calendar ends?
Again, this does not necessarily mean that the world will end on 12-21-2012; in fact, Jesus asked us to pray that we would not have to flee on that day. Nevertheless, the fact that all these things line up on the same day is almost certainly a clue (sign) that the end is near.
The NWO is another huge sign that the end is near. It was prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago in the book of Revelation; read the whole book, especially the last half—and most particularly Revelation chapters 17 & 18. Here are a couple verses: “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:” (17:13,14).
Also very well known, from the book of Revelation, is 666 and the mark of the beast (see Revelation 13 & 14). The mark is related to finances: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark …” (13:17).
Surely you know that USA has the largest economy in the world. But did you know that S&P 500 (not Dow) is “the most reliable measure of the broader market” {http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7468215}? And did you know that the S&P 500 hit a low of 666 this year on 3-6-09 {http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=%7bD2687B35-8BC2-4AA9-A2D4-A004E3E15AF1%7d}; even the date is similar to 666 (subtract 3 from the last digit, and add it to the first digit). This was the bottom point in the worst US recession since the great depression; and in fact many people were calling it the verge of financial “Armageddon” (another end-of-the-world term from Revelation). What does this mean? Surely, it is another sign that the end is near.
Daniel 12:4 says that in “… the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Do we see that today? Travel on a major scale, the likes of which has never existed before in human history. And also there is increasing knowledge in many areas, never before known to man. In fact the internet, a major source of knowledge, has only come into normal household use in the last decade or two. Furthermore, the speed that we can now share information on the internet (through videos, pictures, etc) is something that we couldn’t do just a few years ago.
Another sign of the end is many natural disasters (see Matthew 24:7; Mark 13;8; Luke 21:11; etc). Did you know that earthquakes (along with other disasters) are on the increase? {http://earthquake.usgs.gov/}
As mentioned already (see R47), the Ark of the Covenant plays a major role near the end of time. Again, stayed tuned to TIAI for more info on the Ark; this will certainly happen well before 12-21-2012.
And what about the Mayan calendar ending on 12-21-2012, should we entirely dismiss this? Again, maybe nothing will happen on that exact day—perhaps not even in that year; but especially in light of all the other signs, it is pretty evident that the Mayans did not miss the end of the world by centuries, or even decades. Sometimes I think that the ancient civilizations had more true wisdom than modern man, with all his boasted technology and science.
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“The Son of Man Cometh at an Hour When Ye Think Not.”
“Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:40; see 12:46; Matthew 24:50). “… the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2,3; see Luke 17:26-30).
Different people have different concepts—even within Christianity—about the end of the world: when it will happen, how it will happen, etc. And other religions also have their concepts of the end of time. But most people in most religions are realizing that the world is on the verge of some major change; that is just too obvious to hide.
And for those who think that there will be at least seven more years before the end, be careful. Maybe there will be, but maybe not. Remember that the Jews—even Christ’s own disciples—thought that prophecy was yet to be fulfilled, before the Messiah would come; and yet the prophecy had already been fulfilled, and they didn’t recognize it (see Malachi 4:5; Matthew 17:10-13; etc).
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“There Shall Come in the Last Days Scoffers”
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3,4; see 3:5,6).
Scoffing is another major sign that the end is near. Just because there have been false alarms in the past, doesn’t mean that the real thing will never come. So don’t be too quick to join in with the scoffing attitude.
And don’t be over confident in what the media or scientists tell you (that it’s not the end of the world); often scientists are right, but they have also been wrong at times (see 1 Timothy 6:20).
Scientists were wrong in the days of Noah; they told everyone not to worry about any flood, because it had never rained before and “all things [would] continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” (see Genesis 2:5; 2 Peter 3:3-6). So of all the people in the antediluvian world: only eight refused to believe the scientists, and decided to get into the ark of safety.
Do you think that the flood is just a myth? Jesus took it literally, and used it as an example of how people would be at the end of the world: “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.” (see Matthew 24:37-39; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; etc). Again, stay tuned to TIAI: and soon you will see abundant evidence that the flood of Noah literally happened—similar to the final scenes in the “2012” movie.
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This Is REALLY It!
The end of the world is near: whether you want it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether you’re ready or not—the end of the world is coming, soon and very soon! This is big; this is huge; this is colossal; in fact, it really doesn’t get any bigger than this!!! And once again, from the London press conference {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo&feature=PlayList&p=4337629E8ED55A02&index=4}: “This is it, I mean this is REALLY it; this is the final — this is the FINAL curtain call.”
With L.O.V.E
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Thank you very much for this thread - this is very interesting!
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Very interesting and thanks for posting all this , the references to JESUS etc.... is very interesting .... :) i have to read it twice since english isnt my native language ,but i understand it ...
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"The autopsy shows that Michael suffered punctures in both wrists/heel of the hands, both ankles and an unexplained abdominal incision (healed). He also had multiple injuries/scars on his back, arms, legs etc. all unexplained".
When it comes to the unexplained injuries, you think you are stigmata?.
Wound type reflects his correspondence with the passion of Jesus through the following signals:
Injured hands or wrists, similar to those caused by similar to those caused by Spears injured foot, similar to those caused by stakes injured in the head, resembling those caused by the Crown of thorns injured back, similar to the whip in the wound flagellation flank, stakes.
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"The autopsy shows that Michael suffered punctures in both wrists/heel of the hands, both ankles and an unexplained abdominal incision (healed). He also had multiple injuries/scars on his back, arms, legs etc. all unexplained".
When it comes to the unexplained injuries, you think you are stigmata?.
Wound type reflects his correspondence with the passion of Jesus through the following signals:
Injured hands or wrists, similar to those caused by similar to those caused by Spears injured foot, similar to those caused by stakes injured in the head, resembling those caused by the Crown of thorns injured back, similar to the whip in the wound flagellation flank, stakes.
Stigmata
The stigmata take various forms. Many show some or all of the five Holy Wounds that were, according to the Bible, inflicted on Jesus during his crucifixion: wounds in the hands and feet, from nails, and in the side, from a lance. Some stigmatics display wounds to the forehead similar to those caused by the Crown of Thorns. Other reported forms include tears of blood or sweating blood, and wounds to the back as from scourging.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata
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God, Serenitys_Dream is for all that that well-read in this thread that I sit down this way before Michael, I have thought since all that to begin and I cannot explain it.. love without sexual connotations, the persons we are individual, only ones and we all of a way or other one shine with major or minor force, it is very difficult
Find persons that his light dazzles, for his great generosity and for his great heart.
Sometimes without waiting for it,
Discover along the way, in the way of life,
experiences, passages of experiences, moments,
and sometimes, special beings of light
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Lost years of Jesus
The lost years of Jesus concerns the undocumented timespan between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry as recorded in the New Testament.
The gospels have accounts of event surrounding Jesus' birth, and the subsequent flight into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod (Matthew 2:13-23). There is a general reference to the settlement of Joseph and Mary, along with the young Jesus, at Nazareth (Matthew 2:23; Lk. 2:39-40). There also is that isolated account of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus' visit to the city of Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover, when Jesus was twelve years old (Luke 2:41-50).
Following that episode, there is a blank space in the record that covers eighteen years in the life of Christ (from age 12 to 30). Other than the generic allusion that Jesus advanced in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and man (Luke 2:52), the Bible gives nothing more about Jesus' life during this time span. A common assumption amongst Christians is that Jesus simply lived in Nazareth during that period, but there are various accounts, that present other scenarios, typically including travels to India.
Several authors have claimed to have found proof of the existence of manuscripts in India and Tibet that support the belief that Christ was in India during this time in his life. Others cite legends in a number of places in the region that Jesus passed that way in ancient times.The Jesus in India manuscript was first reported in modern times by Nicolas Notovitch (1894). Subsequently several other authors have written on the subject including, the religious leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1899), Levi H. Dowling (1908), Swami Abhedananda (1922), Nicholas Roerich (1923–1928),[1] Mathilde Ludendorff (1930), Elizabeth Clare Prophet (1956) and more recently Holger Kersten[4] in his book Jesus Lived in India (1981).
Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ
The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi H. Dowling, published in 1908, claims to be the true story of the life of Jesus, including "the 'lost' eighteen years silent in the New Testament."
The narrative follows the young Jesus across India, Tibet, Persia, Assyria, Greece and Egypt.
Saint Issa
In 1887 a Russian war correspondent, Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. He claimed that, at the lamasery or monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he learned of the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." Issa is the Arabic name of Jesus. His story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. It was subsequently translated into English, German, Spanish, and Italian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_years_of_Jesus
Saint Issa Meditating
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Screen Captures from the Video for "Scream"
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Roza Bal The Tomb of Jesus by Dan Brown (author of the Da Vinci Code)
Product Description
An amazing first-hand journey to Kashmir-a look into the evidence that Jesus survived crucifixion-proof that he lived and died in Kashmir and is buried in the famous tomb known as Roza Bal. Meet the family who claim that Yuzu Asaph, Jesus, is their ancestral grandfather. Learn about the efforts to create a DNA profile of Jesus' family. From John the Apostle to Saint Thomas, many were with Jesus years after the crucifixion who have historically verified his journey. Records in Kashmir mention his wife named Marjan and their son, Ely-Kim-the same son that Saul met on the road to Damascus known as Ely-mar, 'a man with a great mind'. The most startling revelation of all? Jesus lived to fullfill the last words on the titulus, he lived to become 'King of the Jews' in India. This is a troubling and factual investigation,but necessary for a complete study of the life of Jesus after crucifixion, a life that leads us directly to his tomb and his Grail children hidden away in Paradise on Earth, Kashmir. Behind this book have gone years of danger, personal hardships,and threats from fundamentalists to bring you the research of two world experts, best known for their intimate knowledge of the tomb of Jesus. Share their journey of discovery into his tomb. Enter the world of Roza Bal.
http://www.amazon.com/Roza-Tomb-Jesus-Fida-Hassnain/dp/1419697587
34. Elvis believed that he was chosen by God for something special. He thought he had special powers like, hands-on-healing. I think he may have had some special gifts other than his voice. Elvis was always studying about religion. He didn't want to take any chances when it came to getting into the Kingdom of Heaven. One of his favorite books, which you will find on display at Graceland now, was The Passover Plot by Hugh Schonfield in 1966. The book is a story of how Jesus may have faked his death and came back 16 years later instead of being resurrected. Elvis may have faked his death and given up all worldly possessions in an effort to make it into the Kingdom of Heaven. Elvis once mentioned to a friend that he would like to become a Monk. After August 16, 1977, a man dressed as a Monk went into a popular entertainment club. Another customer reported that the face under the hood looked remarkably like Elvis Presley. As it turns out, the club was owned by a good friend of Elvis'.
http://members.fortunecity.com/sivlenoramoran/mysteries.htm
The Passover Plot
The Passover Plot is the name of a controversial, best-selling 1965 book, by British Biblical scholar Hugh J. Schonfield who has also published a translation of the New Testament informed with a Jewish perspective.
Schonfield's conclusions
Based on scholarly research into the social and religious culture in which Jesus was born, lived and died, into the source documents of the Gospels, and into other literature, Schonfield reached the following conclusions:
* That Jesus was a deeply religious Jewish man, probably well-versed in the teachings of the local northern sects such as the Nazarenes and Essenes.
* That growing up in Biblical Galilee he had a skeptical and somewhat rebellious relationship to the hierarchy and teachings mandated by the authorities (the Pharisees) of the Temple in Jerusalem.
* That Jewish Messianic expectation was extremely high in those times, matched to the despair caused by the Roman occupation of the land, and by their subjugation of the Jews.
* That he was in many ways both typical of his times, and yet extraordinary in his religious convictions and beliefs, in his scholarship of the Biblical literature, and in the fervency in which he lived his religion out in his daily life.
* That he was convinced of his role as the expected Messiah based on the authority of his having been descendant from King David (the royal bloodline of David), and that he consciously and methodically, to the point of being calculating, attempted to fulfill that role, being eminently well-versed in the details of what that role entailed.
* That he was convinced of the importance of his fulfilling the role perfectly (after all prophesy and expectation), and that he could not allow himself to fail, as that would undoubtedly lead to his being declared a false Messiah.
* That he was perfectly aware of the consequences of his actions all along the way, and that he directed his closest supporters, the original twelve Apostles, unknowingly to aid him in his plans.
* That he involved the least possible number of supporters in his plans ("need to know" basis), therefore very few knew of the details of his final plan, and even then only the least amount of information necessary.
The culmination of his plan was to be his death (the crucifixion), his resurrection and his reign as the true Kingly and Priestly Messiah, not in heaven but on earth— the realized King of the Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passover_Plot
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I'm not saying any of the above is true or false, or even giving my opinion, but...
Daniel 12:4
4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
I've always wondered about what kind of knowledge. Maybe like when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And their eyes were opened.
Maybe our eyes are being opened. Maybe in God's timetable it's time to burst our little bubbles we've been living in. But it's so much more comforting to have all our ducks in a row, believe what we're told, and not have to think too hard, and have a strong unmovable anchor.
Thanks for posting Serenity's_Dream. Though I've read some of it before a bit, it all makes my head swim. Sometimes I almost wish for my old life of ignorance is bliss, life. :? :( ;) :)
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I'm not saying any of the above is true or false, or even giving my opinion, but...
Daniel 12:4
4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
I've always wondered about what kind of knowledge. Maybe like when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And their eyes were opened.
Maybe our eyes are being opened. Maybe in God's timetable it's time to burst our little bubbles we've been living in. But it's so much more comforting to have all our ducks in a row, believe what we're told, and not have to think too hard, and have a strong unmovable anchor.
Thanks for posting Serenity's_Dream. Though I've read some of it before a bit, it all makes my head swim. Sometimes I almost wish for my old life of ignorance is bliss, life. :? :( ;) :)
Well it really doesn't help at all when you and others like Paula-C, Jaci; use such annoying little phrases like the underlined ones in all of these giant philosophical discussions..
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PinkTopaz, you're talking about, you've read what I write well, maybe not this well written and I do not understand much English, that phrase you mean, what I wrote, what do not help at all ? I do not understand what you say :?:
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Thanks Souza, I love that series of videos. I'm a BIG believer in horoscopes and star-signs myself.
One thing that sticks in my mind is the sun died under the cross (under the southern cross). Now me being from Australia, the southern cross is one of our most prolific symbols (it's on our flag) and it got me thinking as to all of the weird links to this hoax and Australia.
1. Jermaine's "airport" comment on Aust. radio
2. The NASA "man on the moon" footage ( broadcasted in '69 from Parkes, in Australia)
3. The recent supposed interview with the bodyguard, that was cancelled at the last minute.
4. Even the fact that MJ married Debbie Rowe in Sydney.
I hope he's hiding somewhere downunder 8-) :o
P.S Serenity, that whole Appendix thing has had me baffled from the beginning :s
I mean, there's apparently an appendicitis scar but the appendix is still present, HUH?
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I posted this another thread but it could be a symbolic representation of the Trinity. Three in one.
From MJHD.net
look at this link and observe Michael's face, it's a new book about Michael. Do you see the same thing ?
(http://www.mjfrance.com/site/news/septembre10/4days.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jWDJiehQLic/0.jpg)
http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2010/09/26/Livre%3A-Michael-Jackson%3A-The-Making-Of-Thriller-4-Days/1983.../2098
This is the official site of the book: http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/ (http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/)
Publication Date: October 28, 2010 by Filipacchi Publishing.
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Yep this pretty much sums it up
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I posted this another thread but it could be a symbolic representation of the Trinity. Three in one.
From MJHD.net
look at this link and observe Michael's face, it's a new book about Michael. Do you see the same thing ?
(http://www.mjfrance.com/site/news/septembre10/4days.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jWDJiehQLic/0.jpg)
http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2010/09/26/Livre%3A-Michael-Jackson%3A-The-Making-Of-Thriller-4-Days/1983.../2098
This is the official site of the book: http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/ (http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/)
Publication Date: October 28, 2010 by Filipacchi Publishing.
Wow!! Interesting! :shock: Including the publication date :!:
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I was sent this PM and asked to post our exchange. I respect that the sender wishes to share this but remain anonymous at the same time.
Hi there,
I firmly believe that you are definitely on to something with the Jesus/Michael connection, not to mention the Back=Michael=TS connection. I know that it's a 'hard pill to swallow' for some due to lifelong conditioning.
You have mentioned the trinity a few times now and I really think it ties in with the hoax somehow (as you mentioned, could be literally, metaphorically or symbolically). You may have already discovered it, but if not I hope you can somehow use it for your research and/or theory.
the father in Jewish Gematria Equals: 313 = 7
the son in Jewish Gematria Equals: 293 = 14 = 7 & 7
the holy spirit in Jewish Gematria Equals: 939 = 21 = 7,7 & 7
Interestingly enough is The Son....where have we seen those initials before? :shock:
I am fascinated by your interpretation of the trinity info I sent you. I know it has meaning within the hoax, I just haven't figured out exactly 'how' yet....although The Son (TS) keeps jumping out at me! I would much prefer you post our findings in the thread if you would like to.
Hi,
Thank you for your message and for reading my posts. I do believe that there is connection between Michael/Jesus/Messiah/ArchAngel Michael.
the father in Jewish Gematria Equals: 313 = 7
the son in Jewish Gematria Equals: 293 = 14 = 7 & 7
the holy spirit in Jewish Gematria Equals: 939 = 21 = 7,7 & 7
Well, look at that. Seven is a spiritual number associated with God.
The Father first of the Trinity = 7
The Son the second in the trinity = 77
The Holy Spirit = 777
Combined they are the embodiment of the totality of God.
And we have 777 & 777 which could represent the dual aspects present in all of creation.
As I do believe that there is a very good chance that TS is Michael, the initials might very well represent The Son, which in turn represents the Messiah and therefore our beloved Michael.
with love
Serenity
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I'm in tears. I just have to say again that Michael Jackson is the only reason I believe in God. When I was a kid, I walked down to my local baptist church because I heard Michael talking about God, so I was curious. Of course, time and experience has taught me that I don't need a church to be with God. I realize now that those late nights in my room listening to Michael's music, the joy and the laughter and the peace inside of me (that I still experience everyday), THAT was my time with God. I'm not saying Michael is God, or the messiah, or whatever, time will tell. But I do believe he is apart of God just as I am. There is something very spiritual about this whole thing, it's what keeps me coming back to this website. It's like I just have to know the truth, and deep down I DO know the truth. I just want the world to know it too. Thanks for the research ladies. Love you all.
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This is one HELLUVA thread.... xD :o
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I'm in tears. I just have to say again that Michael Jackson is the only reason I believe in God. When I was a kid, I walked down to my local baptist church because I heard Michael talking about God, so I was curious. Of course, time and experience has taught me that I don't need a church to be with God. I realize now that those late nights in my room listening to Michael's music, the joy and the laughter and the peace inside of me (that I still experience everyday), THAT was my time with God. I'm not saying Michael is God, or the messiah, or whatever, time will tell. But I do believe he is apart of God just as I am. There is something very spiritual about this whole thing, it's what keeps me coming back to this website. It's like I just have to know the truth, and deep down I DO know the truth. I just want the world to know it too. Thanks for the research ladies. Love you all.
What do you mean by the truth?
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I need to read this one when I have time. Amazing investigation Souza and Serenity. Kudos to you both!!!
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I'm in tears. I just have to say again that Michael Jackson is the only reason I believe in God. When I was a kid, I walked down to my local baptist church because I heard Michael talking about God, so I was curious. Of course, time and experience has taught me that I don't need a church to be with God. I realize now that those late nights in my room listening to Michael's music, the joy and the laughter and the peace inside of me (that I still experience everyday), THAT was my time with God. I'm not saying Michael is God, or the messiah, or whatever, time will tell. But I do believe he is apart of God just as I am. There is something very spiritual about this whole thing, it's what keeps me coming back to this website. It's like I just have to know the truth, and deep down I DO know the truth. I just want the world to know it too. Thanks for the research ladies. Love you all.
What do you mean by the truth?
The truth about this hoax, the truth about our spiritual awakening that is happening, the truth about the government, you name it. "A lie becomes the truth", sums up everything that many regard as truth, and ironically it is a lie (the hoax) that is exposing the real truth about it all. For me at least. I just meant that I want the whole world to experience what I'm experiencing, that would allow for quite profound changes.
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Now that Souza speaks about the sign of the zodiac I number 13, remember that thisisalmostit publish in his twitter on September 04 the word "Ophiuchus " that is the name of this sign, and I to write more or less something this way that lei in Internet;
As I understood, when astrologers laid the foundations for the Zodiac of twelve signs, Ophiuchus was a constellation that was hidden or not passing by the ecliptic, and therefore was not considered a sign of the zodiac. However, the phenomenon of the precession of the equinoxes did that currently this constellation Scorpio and Sagittarius, passing through the ecliptic.
This would mean that currently the Zodiac could be composed of 13 signs, and the dates on which the sun passes through each might already distina, as a result of the precession of the equinoxes, and the inclusion of Ophiuchus as sign.
Here are some things that they found me curious about Ophiuchus:
It is found near the center of the Galaxy, opposite to the area of Orion constellation... The Mayans considered the area of the belt of Orion as a resurrection, or the heart of the creation. A place to which the Maís Dios (what mankind?) is directed in a canoe (the solar system? what Earth?) from the underworld (the center of the Galaxy?). Astronomically solar system makes a cyclical journey through the Galaxy, and in these times is coming increasingly at the Centre.
Mythological perspective, Ophiuchus was a character with very specific characteristics. Son of a God and a human, with large capacity for healing, which could even resurrect the dead.
Personally, I become characteristics similar to the attributed to Jesus in the Catholic religion. I am not surprised that the Sun at the time of his birth was passing Ophiuchus and the zodiac sign of Jesus that were. In fact some miracles attributed to Jesún included healing the sick and resurrect dead people, and likewise the Catholic religion believed in the resurrection of the dead at the end of times.
This could perhaps be an element of hope within all forecasts of chaos, war, penalties and destruction.
Leaving aside the religious and astrological point of view, and still somewhat neutral or secular, there are many coincidences that point to that "the end of time" is nearby. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it is "the end of the world". It is perhaps only the tragic end of an era decadent, following which continues a cycle of evolution which leads to a different stage, maybe better.
And the interesting thing about this is that you so you may live, because it seems the 21 or 22 December 2012.
http://elartur.blogspot.com/2009/01/ofi ... cipio.html (http://elartur.blogspot.com/2009/01/ofiuco-un-posible-simbolo-del-principio.html)
http://twitter.com/thisisalmostit (http://twitter.com/thisisalmostit)
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thisisalmostit- "What is more important,,, the message or the messenger?"
1:33 PM May 17th via web
8-) ;)
viewtopic.php?f=0&t=14058&p=240488#p240488 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=14058&p=240488#p240488)
I guess it does MATTER "who" the messenger is sometimes, lol...
by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:12 am
Thank you all for the imput. I think I have a clear picture of what is being said and done. But even before I asked this question I have been doing some home work. This first thing that I really feel should be understood is the Illuminati, or should I say the thirteen families. I have seen many label it as a society. It is not a social club that one can belong to. It is a linage that one is born into, and the linage goes back to post flood days. This hybrid race has kept the blood line in tact throughout the centuries. They ARE the Illuminati...which means enlightened ones. After reviewing the links below it will give a better understanding.
The Grail code is a massive online document with many links to various pieces of information. I have not been able to read in it's entireity, but a friend has done so, and says there are links that reference Michael and what these entities tried to pull him into. They were at the foundation of all of the persection that Michael faced, and they are what Michael is trying to awaken us to. In the end our only hope is LOVE and Salvation and to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he died for our sins and rose again on the third day to sit at the Fathers right hand, and all we have to do to have salvation is to BELIEVE on his finished work at the cross and that he conquered death and the grave. Then we will understand that we are the Righteousness of God in Christ and that God is the only one that can fight Satan. We have no control in the physical, because it is spiritual warfare.
But as God told King Jehosphat, this is not your battle but mine. Gather your army and go down and stand in place and see the salvation of the Lord. God sent confusion among the enemy soliders and they turned on one another and destroyed their own army. This is found in 2Chronicals 20
I have included several links below from the homework I have been doing. And if we are talking ARG's these would be the univeral masters of such. I know that Michael had to have read and done the research on this topic. He knew about Princess Diana! That is why he told Barbara Walters the he prayed "Don't let me be next.
Michael sweetheart IF you DO read these posts, well I want you to know that I DO understand what you were and are up against. And I know the seriousness of it all, and I pray many times througout the day for your guidance and strength. It will take this Army of Love to defeat Satan, but WE WILL be victorious, and we will be right beside you all the way until Jesus returns. I LOVE You more..and We will live forever!!!
God Bless everyone, you all are in my prayers..LOVE Eternal...Victoria
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... SXIG_rAUaM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/0/5SXIG_rAUaM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... U0lASTU9SI (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/1/9U0lASTU9SI)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... 3bJyjBj1NM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/2/s3bJyjBj1NM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... ZBIDwThTvY (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/3/vZBIDwThTvY)
http://www.grailcode.net/ (http://www.grailcode.net/)
http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/ ... P2nz6PG8KM (http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/774F845CBA265142/4/jP2nz6PG8KM)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021&version=AMP)
Revelation 21 (Amplified Bible)
1 THEN I saw a new sky (heaven) and a new earth, for the former sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;
3 Then I heard a mighty voice from the throne and I perceived its distinct words, saying, See! The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God.
4 God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.
5 And He Who is seated on the throne said, See! I make all things new. Also He said, Record this, for these sayings are faithful (accurate, incorruptible, and trustworthy) and true (genuine).
6 And He [further] said to me, It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I [Myself] will give water without price from the fountain (springs) of the water of Life.
7 He who is victorious shall inherit all these things, and I will be God to him and he shall be My son.
8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)--[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven final plagues (afflictions, calamities) came and spoke to me. He said, Come with me! I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 Then in the Spirit He conveyed me away to a vast and lofty mountain and exhibited to me the holy (hallowed, consecrated) city of Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God,
11 Clothed in God's glory [in all its splendor and radiance]. The luster of it resembled a rare and most precious jewel, like jasper, shining clear as crystal.
12 It had a massive and high wall with twelve [large] gates, and at the gates [there were stationed] twelve angels, and [on the gates] the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were written:
13 On the east side three gates, on the north side three gates, on the south side three gates, and on the west side three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation [stones], and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he who spoke to me had a golden measuring reed (rod) to measure the city and its gates and its wall.
16 The city lies in a square, its length being the same as its width. And he measured the city with his reed--12,000 stadia (about 1,500 miles); its length and width and height are the same.
17 He measured its wall also--144 cubits (about 72 yards) by a man's measure of a cubit from his elbow to his third fingertip], which is [the measure] of the angel.
18 The wall was built of jasper, while the city [itself was of] pure gold, clear and transparent like glass.
19 The foundation [stones] of the wall of the city were ornamented with all of the precious stones. The first foundation [stone] was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony (or white agate), the fourth emerald,
20 The fifth onyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each separate gate being built of one solid pearl. And the main street (the broadway) of the city was of gold as pure and translucent as glass.
22 I saw no temple in the city, for the Lord God Omnipotent [Himself] and the Lamb [Himself] are its temple.
23 And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to give light to it, for the splendor and radiance (glory) of God illuminate it, and the Lamb is its lamp.
24 The nations shall walk by its light and the rulers and leaders of the earth shall bring into it their glory.
25 And its gates shall never be closed by day, and there shall be no night there.
26 They shall bring the glory (the splendor and majesty) and the honor of the nations into it.
27 But nothing that defiles or profanes or is unwashed shall ever enter it, nor anyone who commits abominations (unclean, detestable, morally repugnant things) or practices falsehood, but only those whose names are recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life.
From the Memorial Program: http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjack ... 090409.pdf (http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf)
Read what the family has wrote especially Rebbie.
I would say that every picture was chosen specifically for a story to be told. STUDY that program it is riddled with clues. ;)
Edited to add to this to STUDY the actual Memorial itself...the televised program. ;)
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I know this is totally off the wall out there, but this thought just crossed my mind about delays, so I thought ahh I'll just post it. When Daniel in the Bible was praying for understanding, an angel came to him and explained the delay in answer: Daniel 10:11-14. Funny he was delayed 21 days - 7+7+7 because of resistance, the Prince of Persia (movie 8-) )no less.
10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”
We don't know if MJ's bam is delayed of his own choosing, or someone else resisting him, or court details and sluggishness that MJ's not in control of. Maybe he knew all along it would be way in the future, and is only gently leading us along because he knows we tire easily and need constant encouragement and proddings. Afterall MJ been carrying out his life and plan for many years, but for us we've suddenly put our lives on hold so-to-speak from June 25,09 to BAM.
and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come
Not out there at all MJonmind.
I also was thinking about how Michael has a 30 plus year of study "advantage" over us on ALL this SECRET Knowledge that he has been studying all his life.
It is overwhelming sometimes to play a 30 plus year catchup to Michael.
Whew...
I think the book of Daniel has huge reference to our precious Michael and what his life long purpose has evolved into. Michael reads his bible every day, and I am certain he studied the secrets of the prophets. And the interpretations of the end time. His delay has no reason other than what is between him and God's purpose for him and this world
Get to know Mike, "The Man we never knew"
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14289 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14289)
He swooned the world and the world fell in love with Michael Jackson but, why?
Has anyone honestly been able to answer why is Michael Jackson so beloved the WORLD over?
Not counting his world records, charitable stuff…
but why "The light of the world" sung to us before he “died”?
That is a phenom I have yet to figure out. When I watch some of his videos with the HUMUNGOUS crowds of fans it is overwhelming to me and I am just watching it I can’t IMAGINE the rush of energy Michael got from that.
I do know that he tried so very hard for many many years to warn us of this day.
So many of his words fell on deaf ears. So PLAN a way to reveal the biggest Pandora’s box EVER in HIStory.
He Explained it to us through his videos, songs, speeches, books and movies.
Mr. Michael Jackson needed a sign to know if he was the chosen one. He got his sign and followed through.
I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
Yes TS is a person and the Ark cannot post here (or can it? :? ) :lol: it's just that when I've read the post and saw The Sign ( :lol: ) three things came directly in my mind "The Sign of his Kingship" "Prince Michael" and "Ark of the Covenant" maybe not in that order but I thought it had some connections. But this must be more complicated than that (or maybe more simple). The Sign of what? is the question I ask myself. TS is still the mysterious informer ;) .
or a very clever bamboozleer :lol:
It is amazing to see ALL of THIS unfold.
[youtube:1y2kb2rg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ro9dny1K8[/youtube:1y2kb2rg]
Michael had told ALL of us he was going to do this through this song.
Listen and REALLY hear his words.
His eyes on the Invincible Cover is hypnotic, lol
I can feel the magic behind this album. ;)
Here is another thread discussing the song Cry viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848)
He told us. And he told us again in this Post. The Sign ;)
trublu mentioned in TIAI thread 9/9/2010 that they needed some kind of sign, lol
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022)
I haven't noticed anything yet. I shall be watching TMZ live though..I really feel like we need some kind of sign.
Well TS posted on that same day and signed off,
The Sign.
I think that was an answer. ;)
Peace[/b][/color]
It is destined and it is prophesy being fulfilled.
Let Mike explain it to you he does it better.
I also thought that these numbers could be a code don't worry you're not alone BeTheChange :lol:
When I read TS' post I understand that the code has to be given, meaning that it's not really possible to figure it out by ourselves. Maybe we just cannot find it on purpose, until the time is right...
I absolutely agree.
This "hoax" is embedded with CODE. This is a pre-determined and destined EVENT.
GOD is ALL over this. This EVENT is blessed and we are blessed to be witness to the UNFOLDING of TRUTH.
The mysteries unfold everyday for me, I learn something new about this world and Michael's LIFE.
I am Blown Away at the abudance of info I have learned in the last 7 going on 8 months.
The crackin the code on the numbers, I am like whoa! :shock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_EO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_EO)
There is a BLUEPRINT already layed down for this to happen exactly the way it IS.
"Captain EO is a 3-D film starring Michael Jackson and directed by Francis Ford Coppola (who came up with the name, "Captain Eo", (from the Greek, cf. "Eos", the Greek goddess of dawn)) that was shown at Disney theme parks from 1986 through the 1990s. The attraction returned to the Disney theme parks in 2010."
I love the redemption in this. ^^^^^
This Is how far back this BLUEPRINT was foretold.
Michael's whole Captain EO movie is telling us very clearly:
We are here to change the world.
It is OUR mission.
Your just another part of me.
Way back he was already displaying the rainbow on his shirt.
He is serious in this video.
[youtube:1y2kb2rg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuRL4N5d0w[/youtube:1y2kb2rg]
He already knew that we are all connected through space and time.
We are all apart of him.
Peace[/color]
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&p=236597#p236597 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&p=236597#p236597)
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I am not speaking of any one person, I am speaking in the literal sense. We are not fighing flesh and blood here. I don't think a lot people will have that understanding until it comes to life, or shall I say our spiritual eyes are opened. And they will be opened at some point. In this current situation we are in I choose to walk by faith not by sight. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all understanding which includes the spiritual warfare which is greater than the physical. A persons mind can be destroyed with out weapons or ever touching the body. You may want to check out a book called Battle Field of the Mind, by Joyce Myer. It will explain how Satan can defeat us if we don't put on the whole armor of God.
Revelation 22:7-21 (Amplified Bible)
7 And behold, I am coming speedily. Blessed (happy and to be envied) is he who observes and lays to heart and keeps the truths of the prophecy (the predictions, consolations, and warnings) contained in this [little] book.
8 And I, John, am he who heard and witnessed these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell prostrate before the feet of the messenger (angel) who showed them to me, to worship him.
9 But he said to me, Refrain! [You must not do that!] I am [only] a fellow servant along with yourself and with your brethren the prophets and with those who are mindful of and practice [the truths contained in] the messages of this book. Worship God!
10 And he [further] told me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book and make no secret of them, for the time when things are brought to a crisis and the period of their fulfillment is near.
11 He who is unrighteous (unjust, wicked), let him be unrighteous still; and he who is filthy (vile, impure), let him be filthy still; and he who is righteous (just, upright, in right standing with God), let him do right still; and he who is holy, let him be holy still.
12 Behold, I am coming soon, and I shall bring My wages and rewards with Me, to repay and render to each one just what his own actions and his own work merit.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last (the Before all and the End of all).
14 Blessed (happy and to be envied) are those who cleanse their garments, that they may have the authority and right to [approach] the tree of life and to enter through the gates into the city.
15 [But] without are the dogs and those who practice sorceries (magic arts) and impurity [the lewd, adulterers] and the murderers and idolaters and everyone who loves and deals in falsehood (untruth, error, deception, cheating).
16 I, Jesus, have sent My messenger (angel) to you to witness and to give you assurance of these things for the churches (assemblies). I am the Root (the Source) and the Offspring of David, the radiant and brilliant Morning Star.
17 The [Holy] Spirit and the bride (the church, the true Christians) say, Come! And let him who is listening say, Come! And let everyone come who is thirsty [who is painfully conscious of his need of those things by which the soul is refreshed, supported, and strengthened]; and whoever [earnestly] desires to do it, let him come, take, appropriate, and drink the water of Life without cost.
18 I [personally solemnly] warn everyone who listens to the statements of the prophecy [the predictions and the consolations and admonitions pertaining to them] in this book: If anyone shall add anything to them, God will add and lay upon him the plagues (the afflictions and the calamities) that are recorded and described in this book.
19 And if anyone cancels or takes away from the statements of the book of this prophecy [these predictions relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions or warnings pertaining to them], God will cancel and take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the city of holiness (purity and hallowedness), which are described and promised in this book.
20 He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes (it is true). [Surely] I am coming quickly (swiftly, speedily). Amen (so let it be)! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace (blessing and favor) of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) be with all the saints (God's holy people, those set apart for God, to be, as it were, exclusively His). Amen (so let it be)!
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I am sure there is more info like this all over this forum;
3 more Jesus and MJ parallels topic:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256)
Yet alot of times the messages seem to go UNNOTICED, I have to think it has alot to do with "who" the messenger is and not necessarily the message itself.
This concept of Michael being ArchAngel Michael, "The Chosen One" and our Hero...(because he knew we needed one and we were lacking of true leadership) was sung to us through his song Cry.
If we were to STUDY Michael's life through his music, speeches, books and short films (Ghosts, Captain EO and Moonwalker) he has told us all what is IMPORTANT to him
and what his ultimate GOAL is for this "hoax": the unveiling of hidden truths.
He has foretold of events to come and when they do we should not act surprised, :shock: lol yea right!
by Im_convincedmjalive » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:01 pm
WoW!
@applehead,
You have done your homework on the vids, thanks for these. There is alot to analyze so I will need some TIME to watch and then I will be ready to give a fair opinion.
I am just now in the middle of reading the 10 pages on "BACK" postings.
I will state now that Michael's movie Moonwalker reveals alot of info on his plans from way back. The whole movie is actually a designed plan. Every scene is relevant to Michael's life as we know it today.
In the movie he has 3 children who are with him. 2 boys and 1 girl.
Real LIFE he has Prince 1 boy, Paris 1 girl and Blanket 1 boy ( who is darker skin tone)like the boy in the movie.
When I read Linda's website on Elvis/Jesse I apply Michael and the parallels to Elvis and look for clues based on that. Meaning Elvis/Jesse has stated to Linda to watch ALL of his movies and videos for clues he left.
Peace
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14058&start=150 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14058&start=150)
Before this concept of Michael being "The Chosen One" can be fully accepted by many there will be a few surprises and odd occurances to come, partly due to GOD sending a spell of confusion over the enemy.
When the dust settles and the veil starts to be lifted from the masses eyes, the people who belong to GOD will see clearly and hear sharply.
They must get past the IMAGE of Michael Jackson "The King of Pop"
and start to believe in Michael The Man who is on a mission to save the world.
Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will be the Illuminated and enlightened ones.
It is a sad day when one has to accept the fact that not all of us will be in the sheep category and some will fall onto the goat side.
[youtube:1y2kb2rg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTyBmSwpE64&feature=related[/youtube:1y2kb2rg]
:ugeek:
Peace
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The Zodiac and Michael Jackson
There are actually 13 signs in the zodiac.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9764)
Michael Jackson is actually a Leo.
Leo is represented by the Lion.
[attachment=0:37y6z53x]Constellation Leo.jpg[/attachment:37y6z53x]
Lion of Judah
In Christian tradition, the Lion of Judah represents Jesus.
The Lion and the Lamb are both the Messiah...
Revelation 5:5 (King James Version)
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
The painting of Michael entitled "The Book".
[attachment=3:37y6z53x]The Book painting.jpg[/attachment:37y6z53x]
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelations%205&version=KJV
Lion of Judah in Ethiopia
Ethiopia's traditions, recorded and elaborated in a 13th century treatise, the "Kebre Negest", assert descent from a retinue of Israelites who returned with the Queen of Sheba from her visit to King Solomon in Jerusalem, by whom she had conceived the Solomonic dynasty's founder, Menelik I. Both Christian and Jewish Ethiopian tradition has it that these immigrants were mostly of the Tribes of Dan and Judah; hence the Ge'ez motto Mo`a 'Anbessa Ze'imnegede Yihuda ("The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered"), included among the titles of the Emperor (King of Kings) throughout the Solomonic Dynasty. It is unknown whether John of Patmos was directly aware of this hereditary title when he penned it into the text of the prophecy. The Lion of Judah motif figured prominently on the old imperial flag, currency, stamps, etc. and may still be seen gracing the terrace of the capital as a national symbol. After the collapse of the Communist Derg in 1990 and the increase of Western-style political freedoms, a minor political party bearing the name Mo'a Anbessa made its appearance.
Royal Bloodline of Ethiopia
The Ethiopian kings claim descent from King David just as the British Royal Family and all other Royal families. King David is descendant of Jesus.
British Royal Bloodline
[attachment=2:37y6z53x]Royal Lineage.jpg[/attachment:37y6z53x]
See a resemblance between the way Michael is dressed and the King of Ethiopia?
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9965)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10010)
Michael is descended from slaves. many slaves brought to the US were from Ethiopia.
The Sphinx
The Sphinx in Egypt is facing it's mirror image in the night sky as it looks directly at the constellation Leo.
(Man in the Mirror?)
[attachment=1:37y6z53x]Sphinx in the Mirror.jpg[/attachment:37y6z53x]
The Sphinx was built by Pharaoh Khafre (aka Kafra, Khefren).
Khafre was an Egyptian pharaoh of the Fourth dynasty, who had his capital at Memphis. Khafre built the second largest pyramid at Giza. The Egyptian name of the pyramid was Wer(en)-Khafre which means "Khafre is Great". He is also credited with the building of the Sphinx.
[attachment=4:37y6z53x]Khafre 2.jpg[/attachment:37y6z53x]
Michael recreated himself as the statue of Khafre in the HIStory CD Booklet.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9768)
The Arno Bani Photo Shoot
This photo shoot took place in 1991 but pictures have only recently been released. The photos were originally taken to be used for the cover of the "Invincible" album.
Michael entitled these photographs "The Sphinx"
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5S5GJ1Hfc-M/TJ327OnWk0I/AAAAAAAAAHA/vYjwoyMabLc/s400/Back.jpg)
Michael's inspiration fro this photo shoot was a fashion photograph that appeared on the cover of the 'Sunday Times Style'. It features a woman who appears to be Egyptian Royalty. The particular magazine is entitled "WRAPTURE"
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/shawl.jpg)
The Rapture
The Rapture is an event in the futurist interpretation of Christian eschatology, in which it is posited that Christians will be gathered together in the air to meet the MESSIAH at his return.
The primary passage used to support this idea is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, in which Paul cites "the word of the Lord" about the return of the messiah to gather his saints.
...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.
You see we are going back in a circle now and headed into things I have already posted. Multiple clues all, with multiple branches but all leading to the same place
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What do you mean by the truth?
The truth about this hoax, the truth about our spiritual awakening that is happening, the truth about the government, you name it. "A lie becomes the truth", sums up everything that many regard as truth, and ironically it is a lie (the hoax) that is exposing the real truth about it all. <- Yeah, well, wouldn't it be great if everything were just, oh, I don't know, the way it's supposed to be and lines from Billie Jean didn't need to sum it up..? Makes one want to jump out a window sometimes at the absurdity..) For me at least. I just meant that I want the whole world to experience what I'm experiencing, that would allow for quite profound changes.
What does that actually mean?
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Another thing that I find interesting, whether or not you believe the theory that Mike was actually born on 1/28/1960, is that according to our known calendar with the 12 signs of the zodiac, Mike would be Aquarius if that theory turns out to be true. For those that haven't seen why it would be possible, here it is again:
When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).
Your right. I have seen this movie many times on TV and not noticed that. According to movie, Michael Joe Jackson was not born in 1958 for sure, but it is not clear whether he was born in 59 or 60. If Katherine got pregnant in early 59, MJ could be still born in 59, cause in the movie Joe is wearing jacket, possibly it was either October, November, or even December. Souza, how you come up with 1/28/60; just guess or true source?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X56ypGL ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X56ypGLDwk&feature=related)
here shows Gary, Indiana, 1959 at thye end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpJsRDn ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpJsRDnQOI&feature=related)
King of Pop was born; Michael Joe Jackson, Katherine calls her son.
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The Zodiac and Michael Jackson
There are actually 13 signs in the zodiac.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9764)
Damn, I always thought I am a Scorpio. I don't want to be another sign. :roll:
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Crazy long thread lol.
I'm just going to say, first I'm an atheist.
Second, I'm glad to finally see someone do this subject properly, I have been saying MJ is the second coming of Christ for over a year now. I used to flip people out talking about it in MJHD chat and they'd try to convert me and say I was being disrespectful and blasphemous lol.
But Souza and Serenity put it better then I ever did.
I don't believe in God or the Bible or Christianity or any religion or higher being or divine spirit or anything even remotely along those lines but I DO believe that Michael is the second coming. I don't know how to explain that but it's fairly undeniable. I think he knows it too. The man has been doing Jesus effigies on stage as a "dance move" since the Bad tour, come on.
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Crazy long thread lol.
I'm just going to say, first I'm an atheist.
Second, I'm glad to finally see someone do this subject properly, I have been saying MJ is the second coming of Christ for over a year now. I used to flip people out talking about it in MJHD chat and they'd try to convert me and say I was being disrespectful and blasphemous lol.
But Souza and Serenity put it better then I ever did.
I don't believe in God or the Bible or Christianity or any religion or higher being or divine spirit or anything even remotely along those lines but I DO believe that Michael is the second coming. I don't know how to explain that but it's fairly undeniable. I think he knows it too. The man has been doing Jesus effigies on stage as a "dance move" since the Bad tour, come on.
Well, I certainly am not, I don't strictly follow the Bible, but I interpret it in my own way and I do believe in the basic concepts. It's all been pretty simple for me all of my life and a source of motivation, comfort and guidance when I need them, but I think I may not read many more of these threads, it's such a heavy load for my simple way with religion- plus I start to get all worried and anxious for MJ and what kind of burdens these ideas are putting on him, I think I've read enough to wait and see what happens with this..
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I start to get all worried and anxious for MJ and what kind of burdens these ideas are putting on him, I think I've read enough to wait and see what happens with this..
I understand what you're getting at here. Not only in this thread but also in others I've thought we sometimes speculate rather too far about MJ's role or future mission. It's his life, his hoax, he's human. I have this uneasy feeling sometimes that if he were to read some of these threads he'd throw his hands in the air and say, what have I got to do, I'm still not good enough for them, now they want me to be the second coming! Seems like the world's got a role for me!
I say leave him be, he'll show and tell what and when he wants to. Like you, PinkTopaz, I'm watching and waiting.
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I start to get all worried and anxious for MJ and what kind of burdens these ideas are putting on him, I think I've read enough to wait and see what happens with this..
I understand what you're getting at here. Not only in this thread but also in others I've thought we sometimes speculate rather too far about MJ's role or future mission. It's his life, his hoax, he's human. I have this uneasy feeling sometimes that if he were to read some of these threads he'd throw his hands in the air and say, what have I got to do, I'm still not good enough for them, now they want me to be the second coming! Seems like the world's got a role for me!
I say leave him be, he'll show and tell what and when he wants to. Like you, PinkTopaz, I'm watching and waiting.
Michael did not put all of these clues and symbols all over the place for no one to notice. He wants us to see them or why else put them there in the first place?
He knows exactly what he is doing, it is his plan after all.
But what if he has guided certain people to help reveal who he really is?
To spread the message and the true meaning of this adventure...
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I get what you guys are saying curls and Topaz, but like SD said, MJ didn't throw all these symbols, lyrics, and Jesus Effigies around accidentally for the past 25 years, and I don't believe he's weak enough of character to curl into a ball of self doubt because hoaxers find them and speculate about what they mean.
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I get what you are saying too bec and SD! You could be right of course. I just don't think that everything we see or hear is necessarily a clue from MJ but I suppose that's what investigating is all about - trying to sort out what's relevant and what's not.
By the way, I don't think MJ is a weak character at all. I've said many times how strong I believe he must be to have got through the stuff he has, but he's only human, and I was thinking of this when I made that comment.
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What do you mean by the truth?
The truth about this hoax, the truth about our spiritual awakening that is happening, the truth about the government, you name it. "A lie becomes the truth", sums up everything that many regard as truth, and ironically it is a lie (the hoax) that is exposing the real truth about it all. <- Yeah, well, wouldn't it be great if everything were just, oh, I don't know, the way it's supposed to be and lines from Billie Jean didn't need to sum it up..? Makes one want to jump out a window sometimes at the absurdity..) For me at least. I just meant that I want the whole world to experience what I'm experiencing, that would allow for quite profound changes.
What does that actually mean?
lol I don't know what more of an explanation you want? I'm not beating around the bush or anything here, and I know from one of your posts on another thread that you aren't really interested in the spiritual aspects of this soooo I don't think any answer I give you will be the right one. Not being mean here just don't know what you're looking for??? Some things cannot be explained.
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Regarding the lie becoming the truth I wanted to point out that we all used and saw the word "beLIEve" and associated it with this hoax. It means to me that the lie is within the truth, hence not everything is totally false or totally true, we must dissect the truth from the lies and the other way around. I will give an example with the religions. A lot of people say that religions are purely men-made 'to control the masses' (the media do it much better) but it's not as easy, we cannot just throw religions in the dustbin because lies have been injected in it. So yes the lie becomes the truth and is also within the truth.
If it's off topic then sorry.
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Regarding the lie becoming the truth I wanted to point out that we all used and saw the word "beLIEve" and associated it with this hoax. It means to me that the lie is within the truth, hence not everything is totally false or totally true, we must dissect the truth from the lies and the other way around. I will give an example with the religions. A lot of people say that religions are purely men-made 'to control the masses' (the media do it much better) but it's not as easy, we cannot just throw religions in the dustbin because lies have been injected in it. So yes the lie becomes the truth and is also within the truth.
If it's off topic then sorry.
Thanks for that. I get what you are saying, it's tough to try explaining. I take those words and apply them to many different things. Even in a more literal sense, Mother always told me.. be careful what you do, because a lie becomes the truth. Meaning, don't fake your death because when they find out they will kill you for real. But it can be applied to many things regarding this hoax and life in general. Religion and politics for sure. Like I said before regarding religion, they can't ALL be true, and they can't ALL be false either. I think Truth was a much simpler thing at one point in time or creation. We messed it up big time. The truth lies in all religions in my opinion, as the basic principles each one represents (peace, joy, forgiveness, LOVE...). But we've gone and made up all these contradicting details that has turned us all against each other. I suppose that's what happens when you try to create an explanation for something that everyone already knows deep down in their soul.
Same for Chris Angel's show of MAGIC. Magic is basically a lie, it's all an illusion, but it appears so real that BeLIEve is an appropriate title because we believe the illusion and it feels real to us. Like Michael faking his death, I believed it at first and it felt real to me. I cried real tears and felt real pain. That was my Truth for awhile.
Haven't we all contemplated the meaning of those particular lyrics from time to time? I know I have many times. Especially when I was a kid...I didn't "get it". Always wondered what he meant by those words. It fits in context with the song sort of, but still makes you think. And sure enough, that exact line was left out of his performance in TII.
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I posted this another thread but it could be a symbolic representation of the Trinity. Three in one.
From MJHD.net
look at this link and observe Michael's face, it's a new book about Michael. Do you see the same thing ?
(http://www.mjfrance.com/site/news/septembre10/4days.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jWDJiehQLic/0.jpg)
http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2010/09/26/Livre%3A-Michael-Jackson%3A-The-Making-Of-Thriller-4-Days/1983.../2098
This is the official site of the book: http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/ (http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/)
Publication Date: October 28, 2010 by Filipacchi Publishing.
I can't edit this post so I will just post ths.
The Three Faces of God.
(http://trinities.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/a-three-faced-god.jpg)
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/a6/41/fed6024128a0dbb5ca1a3010.L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(http://curatormuseo.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/trinitythreefacesonebody.jpg?w=497)
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Regarding the lie becoming the truth I wanted to point out that we all used and saw the word "beLIEve" and associated it with this hoax. It means to me that the lie is within the truth, hence not everything is totally false or totally true, we must dissect the truth from the lies and the other way around. I will give an example with the religions. A lot of people say that religions are purely men-made 'to control the masses' (the media do it much better) but it's not as easy, we cannot just throw religions in the dustbin because lies have been injected in it. So yes the lie becomes the truth and is also within the truth.
If it's off topic then sorry.
Thanks for that. I get what you are saying, it's tough to try explaining. I take those words and apply them to many different things. Even in a more literal sense, Mother always told me.. be careful what you do, because a lie becomes the truth. Meaning, don't fake your death because when they find out they will kill you for real. But it can be applied to many things regarding this hoax and life in general. Religion and politics for sure. Like I said before regarding religion, they can't ALL be true, and they can't ALL be false either. I think Truth was a much simpler thing at one point in time or creation. We messed it up big time. The truth lies in all religions in my opinion, as the basic principles each one represents (peace, joy, forgiveness, LOVE...). But we've gone and made up all these contradicting details that has turned us all against each other. I suppose that's what happens when you try to create an explanation for something that everyone already knows deep down in their soul.
Same for Chris Angel's show of MAGIC. Magic is basically a lie, it's all an illusion, but it appears so real that BeLIEve is an appropriate title because we believe the illusion and it feels real to us. Like Michael faking his death, I believed it at first and it felt real to me. I cried real tears and felt real pain. That was my Truth for awhile.
Haven't we all contemplated the meaning of those particular lyrics from time to time? I know I have many times. Especially when I was a kid...I didn't "get it". Always wondered what he meant by those words. It fits in context with the song sort of, but still makes you think. And sure enough, that exact line was left out of his performance in TII.
Exactly. I feel like all these lies have trapped the world into one big illusion.
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
Ok then, I shall repost all of my posts to another thread and you can delete them from this one.
"Study the past if you would define the future" ~ Thisisalmostit September 14, 2010
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
Ok then, I shall repost all of my posts to another thread and you can delete them from this one.
"Study the past if you would define the future" ~ Thisisalmostit September 14, 2010
I knew you would again be offended, that is why I waited to post this. I have the feeling I'm walking on eggs when it concerns you. I never said I would delete the posts, I only asked if we could go back to my original intention of the post.
BTW: I don't follow thisisalmostit and I don't intend to. Because I can see his tweets won't harm anyone, I allowed the thread to stay here on the forum because there were some good discussions in the thread, other than with the BOW posts. But still he is just another hoaxer so I am not spending my time on it searching for clues. We have been investigating the past for over a year now, and it is time to take a look at our future, because that is what is important, that is what we have to fight for. That doesn't mean we can't have a look at the past anymore, because that would be impossible, but the future is what is still to come.
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I think that is feasible the theory that Michael may have been born on 28 January 1960. If takes into account to Ophiuchus this would alter the dates corresponding to each sign of the Zodiac :?:
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
Ok then, I shall repost all of my posts to another thread and you can delete them from this one.
"Study the past if you would define the future" ~ Thisisalmostit September 14, 2010
I knew you would again be offended, that is why I waited to post this. I have the feeling I'm walking on eggs when it concerns you. I never said I would delete the posts, I only asked if we could go back to my original intention of the post.
I never said I was offended in the least and believe me, I would have said so if I was. I thought I was being helpful, by suggesting that I repost my posts into a different thread and having you delete them here, since they are off from what you intended the topic to be about. I feel that I am the one walking on egg shells since it seems that people assume to know how I feel or that I am often misunderstood.
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
Ok then, I shall repost all of my posts to another thread and you can delete them from this one.
"Study the past if you would define the future" ~ Thisisalmostit September 14, 2010
I knew you would again be offended, that is why I waited to post this. I have the feeling I'm walking on eggs when it concerns you. I never said I would delete the posts, I only asked if we could go back to my original intention of the post.
I never said I was offended in the least and believe me, I would have said so if I was. I thought I was being helpful, by suggesting that I repost my posts into a different thread and having you delete them here, since they are off from what you intended the topic to be about. I feel that I am the one walking on egg shells since it seems that people assume to know how I feel or that I am often misunderstood.
You have said goodbye once just because I replied to one of your posts saying that info was already posted months ago and that I was saddened people never took the effort to read it back then. That to me is being offended and it seems like you have a hard time taking critisism from people. Well I can tell you that when you post on a forum, most certainly on subjects like this, you can expect people disagreeing with you. That is when people start a discussion to defend their opinion. At the end you might still not agree and that is fine, at least you have voiced your opinion and stated your arguments. But reacting like that is in my opion being offended and it makes me reluctant to post any kind of disagreement because people will feel sorry for you and see me as the bad guy just for giving my opinion. But I will refrain from that in the future.
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These theories lead us to the year 2012. For the Mayans cosmic processes are cyclic and never change. What changes is the consciousness of man that passes through them, always in a process towards perfection. We will be in the last step of our current solar cycle, which will be a synchronization of time and which will close on Saturday, 22 December 2012, with which we enter a new era. Then humanity must choose between disappear as species against the planet or evolve into harmonious integration with the universe in a new era of light.
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These theories lead us to the year 2012. For the Mayans cosmic processes are cyclic and never change. What changes is the consciousness of man that passes through them, always in a process towards perfection. We will be in the last step of our current solar cycle, which will be a synchronization of time and which will close on Saturday, 22 December 2012, with which we enter a new era. Then humanity must choose between disappear as species against the planet or evolve into harmonious integration with the universe in a new era of light.
That is what is intriguing me. The age of Aquarius we are getting into now, plus the Mayan calendar ending. Like it's all coming together. I do not believe the human race will disappear, but I do think that if we won't change, we will not be what we should be; like JFK said "Free and independent". Because like 70% of the people is asleep, someone needs to stand up and awaken them, telling them they have that choice and making them change. What I am wondering about is how he will succeed in that, what his plan is. He can't wait for us hoaxers to spread the message world wide, because they think we are lunatic already, so this won't change that. He can reach so many at once. Of course you can speculate as to how (TV appearance, DVD easter egg etc.) but I am more interested into what he will do or say or show or whatever, to make the world see what we see and understand.
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Well, since you asked about the future Souza, I guess I'll try to explain what I think may happen in the future. I see consciousness rising but I also see fear rising as well because I feel like when people's consciousness rises, the powers that be (whoever they may be) will be weaken and they will do anything within their power to stop this consciousness with as much fear tactics as possible. However, like any regime, they, too, will crumble and a new one will rise. If you think about it, look at HIStory and it will tell you that a lot of things change but many things stay the same. Many great civilizations crumbled due to their own greed or want of power. And I believe that there will be a lot of things that will look TERRIBLE at first but if you look at it from a purely spiritual perspective, it's going be one of the most beautiful things ever because I believe the powers that be will take down their own power structure by their own greed. What goes around comes around...as they say. Now, I do think we can prevent some of the TERRIBLE things from happening to innocent people if we simply become more kind to one another in our day to day, which will bring more positive energy into the Universe, which will also raise the collective consciousness. It really doesn't take much to change the world IMHO. I think we make it harder than it really is because we let our egos and fear get in the way of LOVE. It just takes a few of us to be the best us we can be and try to reach towards our higher selves and provide healing and love to others that are lost and feeling unloved and then those folks will do the same for others and so on and so forth. We can all be a "messiah" in a way if we really become aware of our actions and conscious of our thoughts. I truly believe that LOVE will be the key to whether this will be a smooth transition or not. We have to love ourselves FIRST wholeheartedly in order to love others from the heart. But that's just me. I don't see the world ending literally, I see a transition happening more rapidly...it's already happening now. We can all feel these changes whether we are following this adventure or not. And I am not sure because I am not Michael but I get a strong feeling that he would want us not to wait for him to make a change in our own lives but to do it RIGHT NOW because now is all we have really. And honestly, I have NO CLUE how Michael may come back to spread this message of LOVE to the world. That is a mystery but I don't know if he wants to be the show. He may want US to be the show for once and he'll watch for awhile and when he feels we get it, then maybe he'll come back. That's just my belief. Hope that answers your question, Souza.
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Well, since you asked about the future Souza, I guess I'll try to explain what I think may happen in the future. I see consciousness rising but I also see fear rising as well because I feel like when people's consciousness rises, the powers that be (whoever they may be) will be weaken and they will do anything within their power to stop this consciousness with as much fear tactics as possible. However, like any regime, they, too, will crumble and a new one will rise. If you think about it, look at HIStory and it will tell you that a lot of things change but many things stay the same. Many great civilizations crumbled due to their own greed or want of power. And I believe that there will be a lot of things that will look TERRIBLE at first but if you look at it from a purely spiritual perspective, it's going be one of the most beautiful things ever because I believe the powers that be will take down their own power structure by their own greed. What goes around comes around...as they say. Now, I do think we can prevent some of the TERRIBLE things from happening to innocent people if we simply become more kind to one another in our day to day, which will bring more positive energy into the Universe, which will also raise the collective consciousness. It really doesn't take much to change the world IMHO. I think we make it harder than it really is because we let our egos and fear get in the way of LOVE. It just takes a few of us to be the best us we can be and try to reach towards our higher selves and provide healing and love to others that are lost and feeling unloved and then those folks will do the same for others and so on and so forth. We can all be a "messiah" in a way if we really become aware of our actions and conscious of our thoughts. I truly believe that LOVE will be the key to whether this will be a smooth transition or not. We have to love ourselves FIRST wholeheartedly in order to love others from the heart. But that's just me. I don't see the world ending literally, I see a transition happening more rapidly...it's already happening now. We can all feel these changes whether we are following this adventure or not. And I am not sure because I am not Michael but I get a strong feeling that he would want us not to wait for him to make a change in our own lives but to do it RIGHT NOW because now is all we have really. And honestly, I have NO CLUE how Michael may come back to spread this message of LOVE to the world. That is a mystery but I don't know if he wants to be the show. He may want US to be the show for once and he'll watch for awhile and when he feels we get it, then maybe he'll come back. That's just my belief. Hope that answers your question, Souza.
I agree, and dispite the mess in the world, all the terrible things happening, I do get a positive vibe. It's a very strange and double feeling, but I feel positive about this. It's just a feeling that every day more people wake up and smell the coffee. If I would rely only on my intuition and feelings, I would say this will all work out for the best, although it will not be without struggle. It's a feeling that strengthens me in a way.
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I agree, and dispite the mess in the world, all the terrible things happening, I do get a positive vibe. It's a very strange and double feeling, but I feel positive about this. It's just a feeling that every day more people wake up and smell the coffee. If I would rely only on my intuition and feelings, I would say this will all work out for the best, although it will not be without struggle. It's a feeling that strengthens me in a way.
Yup. Very true. It has strengthen me as well. And what you said reminded me of a message I received, "Sometimes, we have to get to the depths of hell to get to the heights of heaven." I never forgot this message and I truly believe that will be the case in the future.
I also wanted to share this with you all and I hope Souza, you don't mind. I just found it to be amazing. I was so intrigued by this question of the future and Michael's involvement that I did a little reading with my Archangel Michael oracle cards. I had your question of the future and Michael Jackson in mind while doing the reading. I want to make this disclaimer first that you or anyone else reading this do not have to believe in this type of thing but I thought the message was interesting. I did a three card spread which is usually representative to past, present and future. I think, in this case, it is almost representative to the three steps towards a BAM from Michael. It's pretty simple.
So here are the cards from my reading with my interpretation:
1) Forgive Yourself: You've Done Nothing Wrong | Love Yourself and forgive yourself from all the mistakes of the past, forgive your enemies to heal yourself from the pain and to let go and to send love to even your enemies for they probably need it the most (fight with love)
2) Prayer Will Help This Situation | Send positive energy to the world, to children, to humanity with your words, thoughts and actions...that can be a prayer in itself without it being a thing about religion...positive energy is universal and felt from everyone
3) Shield Yourself And this is when Michael will come into play with the Army of LOVE already in place ready to shield ourselves from all the negative energy and fear that will be pounding on us.
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I get what you guys are saying curls and Topaz, but like SD said, MJ didn't throw all these symbols, lyrics, and Jesus Effigies around accidentally for the past 25 years, and I don't believe he's weak enough of character to curl into a ball of self doubt because hoaxers find them and speculate about what they mean.
Hey, I never said he's weak of character, and I do not think that at all- quite the opposite.. I just always interpreted those things he did as what he said before, trying to be like Christ. It never hurts to look at something in different ways, though.
Michael did not put all of these clues and symbols all over the place for no one to notice. He wants us to see them or why else put them there in the first place?
He knows exactly what he is doing, it is his plan after all.
But what if he has guided certain people to help reveal who he really is?
To spread the message and the true meaning of this adventure...
I'm already more than honored as it is to be a part of this, and if that were so.. wow. But again, as I don't know the exact circumstances, and knowing that MJ said many times that he is and wants to just be "only human", I don't know exactly what to think of this.. The burden and heaviness is so troublesome to me, something I absolutely can't stand is to see/hear of him suffering..
Regarding the lie becoming the truth I wanted to point out that we all used and saw the word "beLIEve" and associated it with this hoax. It means to me that the lie is within the truth, hence not everything is totally false or totally true, we must dissect the truth from the lies and the other way around. I will give an example with the religions. A lot of people say that religions are purely men-made 'to control the masses' (the media do it much better) but it's not as easy, we cannot just throw religions in the dustbin because lies have been injected in it. So yes the lie becomes the truth and is also within the truth.
If it's off topic then sorry.
You put it nicely, and I agree with you.
Thanks for that. I get what you are saying, it's tough to try explaining. I take those words and apply them to many different things. Even in a more literal sense, Mother always told me.. be careful what you do, because a lie becomes the truth. Meaning, don't fake your death because when they find out they will kill you for real. But it can be applied to many things regarding this hoax and life in general. Religion and politics for sure. Like I said before regarding religion, they can't ALL be true, and they can't ALL be false either. I think Truth was a much simpler thing at one point in time or creation. We messed it up big time. The truth lies in all religions in my opinion, as the basic principles each one represents (peace, joy, forgiveness, LOVE...). But we've gone and made up all these contradicting details that has turned us all against each other. I suppose that's what happens when you try to create an explanation for something that everyone already knows deep down in their soul.
Same for Chris Angel's show of MAGIC. Magic is basically a lie, it's all an illusion, but it appears so real that BeLIEve is an appropriate title because we believe the illusion and it feels real to us. Like Michael faking his death, I believed it at first and it felt real to me. I cried real tears and felt real pain. That was my Truth for awhile.
Haven't we all contemplated the meaning of those particular lyrics from time to time? I know I have many times. Especially when I was a kid...I didn't "get it". Always wondered what he meant by those words. It fits in context with the song sort of, but still makes you think. And sure enough, that exact line was left out of his performance in TII.
I wasn't much interested in music as a kid, but yeah, in these recent times I have thought about the lyric and basically figured the same thing. I really felt that when I first beLIEved after mourning, also. The underlined, I don't fully agree with, to me not everything about religion besides the basic principals are man-made, I believe that the holy books such as the Bible and the Koran have been seriously tampered with over the centuries, not everything within was to "create an explanation". I wish you wouldn't say "we", either, that sounds like all humans have taken part in poking their nose around where it doesn't belong for their own greedy, vile selves..
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
But just out of curiosity, you're saying that you do believe in what they're saying, though- right?
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With all due respect serenity, but can we stop looking at the clues as to how Mike could be compared with Jesus/God? I already said in the beginning that I wanted to be careful with this because I didn't want to 'scare' those new or rejective to religion, yet it's dominating the thread now. I posted this because I want to look at the future, not the past. Please start a new thread about the comparisons with Jesus/God. This thread is 3 pages long already with a lot of added info that is not going the way I wished it to go. Instead of discussing the future and the theory of the new age, it is a MJ/God comparison thread now and that was not its purpose. I do appriciate the information, but it should be posted in a different thread.
We already know the signs are there, they have been there for 20+ years. I am more interested in people's thoughts about the time coming, about how they see this. How can he guide, teach, change? What are the differences we are already feeling and seeing now? What should this world be like? In other words, looking forward instead of looking back. I posted this as lightly as I did on purpose, so that people would consider the possibility of it without being deterred by the religious aspects. As soon as people will be interested, they will search for the religious signs when they are ready to accept.
But just out of curiosity, you're saying that you do believe in what they're saying, though- right?
Not everything.
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I get what you guys are saying curls and Topaz, but like SD said, MJ didn't throw all these symbols, lyrics, and Jesus Effigies around accidentally for the past 25 years, and I don't believe he's weak enough of character to curl into a ball of self doubt because hoaxers find them and speculate about what they mean.
Hey, I never said he's weak of character, and I do not think that at all- quite the opposite.. I just always interpreted those things he did as what he said before, trying to be like Christ. It never hurts to look at something in different ways, though.
Michael did not put all of these clues and symbols all over the place for no one to notice. He wants us to see them or why else put them there in the first place?
He knows exactly what he is doing, it is his plan after all.
But what if he has guided certain people to help reveal who he really is?
To spread the message and the true meaning of this adventure...
I'm already more than honored as it is to be a part of this, and if that were so.. wow. But again, as I don't know the exact circumstances, and knowing that MJ said many times that he is and wants to just be "only human", I don't know exactly what to think of this.. The burden and heaviness is so troublesome to me, something I absolutely can't stand is to see/hear of him suffering..
Regarding the lie becoming the truth I wanted to point out that we all used and saw the word "beLIEve" and associated it with this hoax. It means to me that the lie is within the truth, hence not everything is totally false or totally true, we must dissect the truth from the lies and the other way around. I will give an example with the religions. A lot of people say that religions are purely men-made 'to control the masses' (the media do it much better) but it's not as easy, we cannot just throw religions in the dustbin because lies have been injected in it. So yes the lie becomes the truth and is also within the truth.
If it's off topic then sorry.
You put it nicely, and I agree with you.
Thanks for that. I get what you are saying, it's tough to try explaining. I take those words and apply them to many different things. Even in a more literal sense, Mother always told me.. be careful what you do, because a lie becomes the truth. Meaning, don't fake your death because when they find out they will kill you for real. But it can be applied to many things regarding this hoax and life in general. Religion and politics for sure. Like I said before regarding religion, they can't ALL be true, and they can't ALL be false either. I think Truth was a much simpler thing at one point in time or creation. We messed it up big time. The truth lies in all religions in my opinion, as the basic principles each one represents (peace, joy, forgiveness, LOVE...). But we've gone and made up all these contradicting details that has turned us all against each other. I suppose that's what happens when you try to create an explanation for something that everyone already knows deep down in their soul.
Same for Chris Angel's show of MAGIC. Magic is basically a lie, it's all an illusion, but it appears so real that BeLIEve is an appropriate title because we believe the illusion and it feels real to us. Like Michael faking his death, I believed it at first and it felt real to me. I cried real tears and felt real pain. That was my Truth for awhile.
Haven't we all contemplated the meaning of those particular lyrics from time to time? I know I have many times. Especially when I was a kid...I didn't "get it". Always wondered what he meant by those words. It fits in context with the song sort of, but still makes you think. And sure enough, that exact line was left out of his performance in TII.
I wasn't much interested in music as a kid, but yeah, in these recent times I have thought about the lyric and basically figured the same thing. I really felt that when I first beLIEved after mourning, also. The underlined, I don't fully agree with, to me not everything about religion besides the basic principals are man-made, I believe that the holy books such as the Bible and the Koran have been seriously tampered with over the centuries, not everything within was to "create an explanation". I wish you wouldn't say "we", either, that sounds like all humans have taken part in poking their nose around where it doesn't belong for their own greedy, vile selves..
lol...*sigh*. This is just the way I speak, saying "we" is easier than saying "me and some other people", haha. I don't mean "we" as in everyone, but we as in those of us who feel this way about the topic at hand, which there are many. And "we" as in the human race, which you are apart of like it or not :lol: Sorry just trying to lighten the mood. I wish you wouldn't pick everything I say apart I feel like I'm in English class :lol: I will try to choose my words more carefully, but I don't think it's a huge deal. And for the record, I don't think the holy books are completely man-made either. As I said above, they can't all be true and they can't all be false. I didn't mean that as some of them are true and some of them are false, but that they all must have some true qualities and some false qualities.
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It is true that 70 % of the people this night's sleep as your you say Souza and it is what mas worries, as charm in another part the people this mas interested in seeing for television the exploits of Paris Hilton that to see what really this spending in this world and the plans that the New World Order has for all, if it is a question of time of here a year 2012 is not absent much. For the majority of the people the New World Order does not exist, they it do not know or think that these things do not happen. Regardless this I wait that the last events in Europe in countries as Spain, Portugal and before what has been happening in Greece is the beginning of this awakening and that the people know and understand the plans that these "elite" that governs has for all and that already this putting in practice.
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Crazy long thread lol.
I'm just going to say, first I'm an atheist.
Second, I'm glad to finally see someone do this subject properly, I have been saying MJ is the second coming of Christ for over a year now. I used to flip people out talking about it in MJHD chat and they'd try to convert me and say I was being disrespectful and blasphemous lol.
But Souza and Serenity put it better then I ever did.
I don't believe in God or the Bible or Christianity or any religion or higher being or divine spirit or anything even remotely along those lines but I DO believe that Michael is the second coming. I don't know how to explain that but it's fairly undeniable. I think he knows it too. The man has been doing Jesus effigies on stage as a "dance move" since the Bad tour, come on.
I realize this is probably really hard to explain like you said... but I'm just trying to understand this lol, how can you believe he's the second coming if you don't believe there's a god? Just trying to wrap my mind around this, it's really facsinating.
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Crazy long thread lol.
I'm just going to say, first I'm an atheist.
Second, I'm glad to finally see someone do this subject properly, I have been saying MJ is the second coming of Christ for over a year now. I used to flip people out talking about it in MJHD chat and they'd try to convert me and say I was being disrespectful and blasphemous lol.
But Souza and Serenity put it better then I ever did.
I don't believe in God or the Bible or Christianity or any religion or higher being or divine spirit or anything even remotely along those lines but I DO believe that Michael is the second coming. I don't know how to explain that but it's fairly undeniable. I think he knows it too. The man has been doing Jesus effigies on stage as a "dance move" since the Bad tour, come on.
Hm, I don't believe in much of that stuff, either(except for the metaphysical and spiritual) I figure Jesus was a human but not the "Son of God" but he possibly had supernatural powers and people back in Biblical times made him into a superstar; I dunno about MJ being a "second coming", but those effigies and poses are quite interesting. I'm more inclined to believe that MJ's comeback will be like a TAKEOVER and he'll do his thing like a grand leader of sorts. :)
The underlined, I don't fully agree with, to me not everything about religion besides the basic principals are man-made, I believe that the holy books such as the Bible and the Koran have been seriously tampered with over the centuries, not everything within was to "create an explanation". I wish you wouldn't say "we", either, that sounds like all humans have taken part in poking their nose around where it doesn't belong for their own greedy, vile selves..
I also think that the books may have been messed with; more so the Christian Bible, and I'm like the small child who looks at his or her brussel sprouts and goes "UCKY". :P LOL
That's how I feel about the word "religion". "UCKY". :lol: It would be AWESOME if everyone could get together regardless of beliefs. It seems as though religion can separate a people, in this world. :cry: :(
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This is from another topic, but I thought it would be relevant.....
MJ's final words were "I'll see you tommorrow"
Using gemetria, this translates to: :o :o
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Crazy long thread lol.
I'm just going to say, first I'm an atheist.
Second, I'm glad to finally see someone do this subject properly, I have been saying MJ is the second coming of Christ for over a year now. I used to flip people out talking about it in MJHD chat and they'd try to convert me and say I was being disrespectful and blasphemous lol.
But Souza and Serenity put it better then I ever did.
I don't believe in God or the Bible or Christianity or any religion or higher being or divine spirit or anything even remotely along those lines but I DO believe that Michael is the second coming. I don't know how to explain that but it's fairly undeniable. I think he knows it too. The man has been doing Jesus effigies on stage as a "dance move" since the Bad tour, come on.
I realize this is probably really hard to explain like you said... but I'm just trying to understand this lol, how can you believe he's the second coming if you don't believe there's a god? Just trying to wrap my mind around this, it's really facsinating.
I'm not sure I can convey it properly. I make sense of it in my head only in a sense of fate I suppose, as history repeating itself, once every 2000 years or so, a figure (human) evoking and inspiring change on mass scale in the populous, change that goes on to classify an era of civilization. The era that we are in the tail end of now being defined by Jesus (Christ), will the next era be defined by L.O.V.E. (Michael)?
That's Michael being the second coming to me. That may be super fanciful and imaginary, or blown way out of proportion, but it would not be something defined in any of our lifetimes, nor even our children's lifetimes so it's sort of a mot point I suppose.
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Thanks for that. I get what you are saying, it's tough to try explaining. I take those words and apply them to many different things. Even in a more literal sense, Mother always told me.. be careful what you do, because a lie becomes the truth. Meaning, don't fake your death because when they find out they will kill you for real. But it can be applied to many things regarding this hoax and life in general. Religion and politics for sure. Like I said before regarding religion, they can't ALL be true, and they can't ALL be false either. I think Truth was a much simpler thing at one point in time or creation. We messed it up big time. The truth lies in all religions in my opinion, as the basic principles each one represents (peace, joy, forgiveness, LOVE...). But we've gone and made up all these contradicting details that has turned us all against each other. I suppose that's what happens when you try to create an explanation for something that everyone already knows deep down in their soul.
Same for Chris Angel's show of MAGIC. Magic is basically a lie, it's all an illusion, but it appears so real that BeLIEve is an appropriate title because we believe the illusion and it feels real to us. Like Michael faking his death, I believed it at first and it felt real to me. I cried real tears and felt real pain. That was my Truth for awhile.
Haven't we all contemplated the meaning of those particular lyrics from time to time? I know I have many times. Especially when I was a kid...I didn't "get it". Always wondered what he meant by those words. It fits in context with the song sort of, but still makes you think. And sure enough, that exact line was left out of his performance in TII.
I wasn't much interested in music as a kid, but yeah, in these recent times I have thought about the lyric and basically figured the same thing. I really felt that when I first beLIEved after mourning, also. The underlined, I don't fully agree with, to me not everything about religion besides the basic principals are man-made, I believe that the holy books such as the Bible and the Koran have been seriously tampered with over the centuries, not everything within was to "create an explanation". I wish you wouldn't say "we", either, that sounds like all humans have taken part in poking their nose around where it doesn't belong for their own greedy, vile selves..
lol...*sigh*. This is just the way I speak, saying "we" is easier than saying "me and some other people", haha. I don't mean "we" as in everyone, but we as in those of us who feel this way about the topic at hand, which there are many. And "we" as in the human race, which you are apart of like it or not :lol: Sorry just trying to lighten the mood. I wish you wouldn't pick everything I say apart I feel like I'm in English class :lol: I will try to choose my words more carefully, but I don't think it's a huge deal. And for the record, I don't think the holy books are completely man-made either. As I said above, they can't all be true and they can't all be false. I didn't mean that as some of them are true and some of them are false, but that they all must have some true qualities and some false qualities.[/quote]
I'm sorry for making you uncomfortable. (I do love English though, heh-heh!) Oh, I forgot I'm a human, too! (I also understand wanting to lighten the mood) No, but what I meant was that I wish you said we messed it up big time, when this particular set of "we" was long, long, long not born when simpler truths in the time of creation were being messed with. For the books, I saw what you said about some being true and some being false, that's what I think, too- I suppose I just interpreted it the wrong way.
[quote="Stranger in Chi-Town]I also think that the books may have been messed with; more so the Christian Bible, and I'm like the small child who looks at his or her brussel sprouts and goes "UCKY". :P LOL
That's how I feel about the word "religion". "UCKY". :lol: It would be AWESOME if everyone could get together regardless of beliefs. It seems as though religion can separate a people, in this world. :cry: :([/quote] Religion can be a marvelous thing for many, many people- and I believe that everyone within theirs can get along with everyone else within theirs- and those without.
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Crazy long thread lol.
I'm just going to say, first I'm an atheist.
Second, I'm glad to finally see someone do this subject properly, I have been saying MJ is the second coming of Christ for over a year now. I used to flip people out talking about it in MJHD chat and they'd try to convert me and say I was being disrespectful and blasphemous lol.
But Souza and Serenity put it better then I ever did.
I don't believe in God or the Bible or Christianity or any religion or higher being or divine spirit or anything even remotely along those lines but I DO believe that Michael is the second coming. I don't know how to explain that but it's fairly undeniable. I think he knows it too. The man has been doing Jesus effigies on stage as a "dance move" since the Bad tour, come on.
I'm always glad too. I've been saying Michael is the Messiah, second coming for a year as well, and I know full well, having come from there, that it bothers traditional Christians terribly, because you have to do a mental juggle of--I've already got an image in my mind of the Messiah/Jesus/Second Coming--to replace Him is blasphemy. So I can see how if you don't believe in the Bible or religion, you would find believing Michael's special place as a Messianic figure, easier. So in a way having already a belief could actually be a stumbling block to adopting anything different, because of new information. That was precisely why the Pharisees never quite got with the program when Jesus walked 2000 years ago--they had an image of a ruling conqueror who would defeat the Romans.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted s being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
Bec
I'm not sure I can convey it properly. I make sense of it in my head only in a sense of fate I suppose, as history repeating itself, once every 2000 years or so, a figure (human) evoking and inspiring change on mass scale in the populous, change that goes on to classify an era of civilization. The era that we are in the tail end of now being defined by Jesus (Christ), will the next era be defined by L.O.V.E. (Michael)?
That's creative thinking. We know that Jesus, the Son existed before he came to earth born as a human baby, and may have been the angel Michael, or another form, and may after Jesus's stay on earth, have changed to a different form again--perhaps Michael. That sounds like reincarnation, which I generally don't believe in, but how else to describe it.
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I posted these videos in the Mind Control thread but I think they tie in VERY closely with Souza's post about the end of one age and the beginning of another (Aquarius). The powers that be want us to fear 2012 and what may or may not take place. Why? Because their power is built on our fear...it always has been. Being 'freed' from that fear is the key and yet a very difficult endeavor considering all the 'fear' that is pimped to us on a daily basis through governments, the medical community, media, etc. Michael's speech about fear and freedom is exactly about breaking free of this conditioned state...about waking up. These videos address this 'waking up' period, which we are in right now. As stated in the videos, as difficult as it may be, we should not fear the coming changes but instead embrace them with the very 'stuff' that we are made of...L.O.V.E.
The Evolution of Consciousness Parts 1 & 2
[youtube:3ast2c4d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48MdJrzgX0&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3ast2c4d]
[youtube:3ast2c4d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLxQl0cXVhc&feature=related[/youtube:3ast2c4d]
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Thanks for the videos BeTheChange!
I noticed in the 2nd one, he talks about combining the past with the present to get to the future... does that remind you of anything?! HIStory album - Past Present and Future ;)
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Well! There are some very interesting perspectives on this thread and I thought that it would be worthwhile to expand a bit on why the increased in consciousness, what consciousness is and how we may recognise our Messiah!
1. The Age of Aquarius and 2012
Whilst there appear to be various debates about the dates at which the age of Pisces end and the age of Aquarius starts, the fact that it will happen is fully accepted. What follows is an extract from an article that nicely summarises the rational for 2012, makes the link to the Mayan calendar and provide an explanation for the rise in consciousness (I have also read elsewhere about the opening of various stargates but this is a theory for another day) (http://www.december212012.net/The_Age_of_Aquarius.htm
The Age of Pisces in which we live is one of the shortest ages, beginning in 26 AD and ending in 2012 AD -or a total of just over 1986 years. In 1945 we entered the last degree of Pisces. Here are the ages and their durations...
Aries, Pisces, Libra, Virgo 1986.37 years
Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo, Taurus 2129.04 years
Capricorn, Sagittarius, Cancer, Gemini 2291.28 years
These lengths are based on the Earth's electromagnetic(astrological) composition. The dates at which each begins or ends is based on the Mayan calendar.
While the crossover from one age to the next can take hundreds of years, the critical midpoint between the Age of Pisces and the Age of Aquarius is December 21st, 2012 AD, when the Earth's equatorial plane aligns exactly with the galactic center. The Ages are a purely planetary phenomenon based on the planet's wobble.
What is special about the Age of Aquarius is that not only is it a "good" Age, but it is also during this age that our solar system is going to be inside the photon belt. Every 10,684 years, our solar system enters this belt of photonic energy for a period of over 2100 years, usually during the Ages of Leo or Aquarius. When it was last in Leo, Atlantis reigned supreme in a Golden Age.
Photon energy is divine enegry or what the bible calls the Holy Spirit, and which comes from the center of Creation and is stepped down to the galactic, solar, planetary, and individual levels. We will in effect be reconnected to our divine source. This will raise the vibratory level to the point where people will either resist and die or let go and be transformed into a light being. The Earth itself will be transformed and shine like a star as its inner central sun is finally fully turned on. This is the new heaven and earth.
2. The Higher Consciousness
BeTheChange has posted some interesting videos, I would just like to point out that the 11:11 "coincidence" gets associated with the age of Aquarius.
11:11 is said to be a pre-encoded trigger placed in our cellular memory banks prior to our descent/incarnation into matter. When activated, it will signify that our time of completion and ascension is near. A shift will occur. Our consciousness will raise in frequency along with our bodies. We will be ascending into the next dimension of time/space or space/time. It can be seen as the evolution of consciousness and the earth herself. One will know when this particular gateway to awareness and higher vibration is open for them because they will continually see the numbers 11:11 (or 1111) in there every day lives and it will be a continuous occurrence.
Extract from http://theaquarianage.com/age-of-aquarius.htm below, the full article also addresses the link with the Mayan calendar and gives some tips on how to become a good Aquarian!
A "Phenomenal" Coincidence
There is a unique phenomenon sweeping the globe, which involves people feeling oddly “triggered” whenever they see the numerals 11:11 on their digital clocks and watches. This has been going on for years now, and what’s so fascinating is the fact that these people have independently come to the conclusion that they are being “woken up” to the idea that humanity is standing at some sort of “gateway” on the path of our expanding spiritual awareness. This sounds strikingly similar to what we’ve been hearing about the Age of Aquarius/Mayan calendar shift, doesn't it? An even stranger coincidence is that the event that ends the Mayan calendar—the winter solstice of 2012—will occur at exactly 11:11 Greenwich Mean Time! See what I mean about these cosmic coincidences all pointing to not only the same theme of spiritual evolution, but even to the same date and the same exact minute when it will occur!
In the Age of Aquarius, our collective relationship to the divine shifts away from bearded patriarchs toward recognizing our role as co-creators in global events. It
means moving toward a global consciousness, a collective self-awareness. The Aquarian bumber sticker: one people living on one planet. The Age of Aquarius is the networking power of decentralization and democracy. Signs of its arrival include the creation of the internet, which is moving us toward a decentralized, information-based society.
3. The Age of Aquarius and the Messiah
“And then the man who bears the pitcher will walk forth across an arc of heaven; the sign and signet of the Son of Man will stand forth in the eastern sky. The wise will then lift up their heads and know that the redemption of the Earth is near.” Aquarian Gospel
When the Aquarian Messiah, makes himself known in the years to come, how will we recognize him to be the long-awaited Messiah who will rule over the Great Age of Aquarius?
http://the-red-thread.net/God-of-Aquarius.html
With the dawning of a brand-new Age of Aquarius, we will undoubtedly notice how the scene changes dramatically to a modern ‘state of the art’, scientifically orientated culture and landscape. The Messiah/God for the Age of Aquarius will be a Humanitarian with a capital 'H' and in the truest sense of the word. Can you say ALTRUISM? Can you say PEACEMAKER? He will promote friendship and togetherness across the oceans and airwaves by means of the latest technology that science has to offer. Make no mistake about it, our new Messiah will not only be a space traveler, he will be an innovative inventor with a keenness for scientific investigation, but perhaps more importantly, he will be an honest to goodness psychic who gives Astrology it’s true place in the world. He, and I say 'he', because Aquarius is a male sign, will be a trendsetter and somewhat of an eccentric rebel, when it comes to breaking free from old traditions that have long ago petrified and grown stale.
The coming Messiah-God will be a bearer of Light, in the way of knowledge and wisdom, and as a truth seeker, he will have an idealistic mindset, and be a staunch promoter of logic, reasoning, and common sense. His subjects will be whisked away into the higher realm of fantastic discoveries and innovations that will seem highly unconventional, if not downright shocking, to many. The real truth-seekers, and the ‘young at heart’, will be intelligent enough to see the LIGHT of the new dawning Age, and break free from the restricting bonds that the Age of Pisces used to hold its victims captive for so long. These 'New-Agers' will 'fly' away with the enlightened Reformer into the vast reaches of the Heavens - both figuratively and literally, in search of that ultimate Utopia in the heavens – the paradise of heavenly Eden, where all things rise to the level of perfection.
A sweeping change comes over the entire establishment as the new Age calls for complete change - by will, or otherwise forced into action with the progressive reformation, and these changes will reach out to every branch and limb of all societies and cultures. A sense of new-found freedom will sweep across the globe, and because there will be those who stand firm in their petrified chains of bondage; rebelliousness and violence will break out among nations who bulk at the drastic Aquarian changes. The deeper time evolves into the Age, the more dramatic the changes become, for like a bolt of lightning, the Aquarian Messiah will sear ones mind with reformation, rejunification, and innovative realities of an idealistic future for all humanity.
A truly Aquarian Messiah/God will appear to be temperamental, but tolerant, impersonal, but approachable and friendly, shy and independent, original and idealistic, radical and progressive, cold, but curious. Our new 'god' of the Age will be a reformer with an idealistic agenda. Outer space and Extraterrestrials will not only be a curiosity, the interest will gain bold new momentum, especially when the Aquarian Age gets under full swing. The promotion of Astrology will be high on this god’s program. The masses will come to the realization that this ancient mathematical science of heavenly rule, is the only true 'voice' from the Great Creator of the Heavens – written by the very finger of the true Spiritual Creator of the Universe, who supersedes each and every messiah and god of all the Great Ages.
Do not look for the new Messiah to follow any status-quo, for he will be the ultimate trendsetter - never one to give in to senseless tradition and practices – no matter how many thousands of years they have been in existence. Being quite fixed in his ways, he will expect everyone to see that his approach and technique makes logical sense, and it is this realization that ushers in the ultimate in perfection.
Last, but certainly not least, our new Messiah-god will be psychic, telepathic, clairvoyant, and will have the ability to communicate with his ‘preferred’ subjects in this manner as well.
Hum! This is long post - Sorry! at least the info is in one place.
With L.O.V.E
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From Serenitys_Dream on page 2
Revelation 5:5 (King James Version)
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
I want to zero in on the painting on page 2 of Michael, sitting and holding the book with the key, also going with the Revelation verses that SD posted about it, but adding something to it. My computer has a virus and won't allow me to do a lot a normal functions and I can't post the picture. Could someone post it for me please? Thanks. Even when I put the whole post of SD's the painting won't show up for some strange reason. I'll have to ask my son to redo the system soon.
I'm feeling a sense of awe while I'm seeing the beauty in this painting and a new aspect I hadn't noticed before. There is a prominent curtain or veil being brushed or held aside to reveal Michael who is holding the book and key. Here is what the Bible says about this veil.
Isaiah 25:6-8 (New King James Version)
6 And in this mountain
The LORD of hosts will make for all people
A feast of choice pieces,
A feast of wines on the lees,
Of fat things full of marrow,
Of well-refined wines on the lees.
7 And He will destroy on this mountain
The surface of the covering cast over all people,
And the veil that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death forever,
And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces;
The rebuke of His people
He will take away from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.
The whole world is blinded and cannot see truth until the Messiah, the Christ removes this veil over people's eyes and hearts. Also remember the 2nd and 3rd verses of the song as they carry MJ's casket in, "No more crying there...no more dying there."
Matthew 27:51-53 (New King James Version)
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
This one doesn't relate as much to the painting, but the graves opening right when Jesus died, and people coming out alive reminds me of Thriller 2, resurrection!
2 Corinthians 3:12-18 (New King James Version)
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Not only is the veil a picture of not seeing clearly until the Messiah comes, but here is the idea of looking in the mirror and seeing Christ reflected in us, just as Michael sang about the man in the mirror, making that change.
Hebrews 6:19-20 (New King James Version)
19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
In the painting the curtain or veil is swept away and we enter with Michael there. This Melchizedek is an interesting person as well. If you read up on him, many theologians believe he is another of the pre-incarnate forms of the Messiah Christ, just as Archangel Michael is.
Hebrews 9:2-5
2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail....24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
This inner veil is what separates us from the Ark of the Covenant, but Christ removes that veil. Remember the Ark of the Covenant being announced the day of MJ's "death". And the earthly Ark may not be as important as the one up above, the real one. I remember one poster saying the similarity of the Ark having the mercy seat between the 2 archangels, to the tomb where Jesus had lain--Jesus between 2 angels who sat at each end when Peter looked in the empty tomb.
Song of Solomon 4:1-2
1 Behold, you are fair, my love!
Behold, you are fair!
You have dove’s eyes behind your veil.
Finally here is the book SD referring to in another thread about the Song of Solomon being a picture of the Messiah/Christ's love for His bride, the church which is the world-wide body of believers (not a building). We can tell that he can see her eyes through the veil. I don't believe a veil is the same as a curtain, but that you can faintly see through, as a bride would be covered with a veil so her soon to be husband can barely see her, and lifts the veil to kiss her when the clergy announce they are man and wife. Christ and his bride.
I think Michael's been reading all these same passages of Scripture through the years. :)
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Well! There are some very interesting perspectives on this thread and I thought that it would be worthwhile to expand a bit on why the increased in consciousness, what consciousness is and how we may recognise our Messiah!
1. The Age of Aquarius and 2012
Whilst there appear to be various debates about the dates at which the age of Pisces end and the age of Aquarius starts, the fact that it will happen is fully accepted. What follows is an extract from an article that nicely summarises the rational for 2012, makes the link to the Mayan calendar and provide an explanation for the rise in consciousness (I have also read elsewhere about the opening of various stargates but this is a theory for another day) (http://www.december212012.net/The_Age_of_Aquarius.htm
The Age of Pisces in which we live is one of the shortest ages, beginning in 26 AD and ending in 2012 AD -or a total of just over 1986 years. In 1945 we entered the last degree of Pisces. Here are the ages and their durations...
Aries, Pisces, Libra, Virgo 1986.37 years
Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo, Taurus 2129.04 years
Capricorn, Sagittarius, Cancer, Gemini 2291.28 years
These lengths are based on the Earth's electromagnetic(astrological) composition. The dates at which each begins or ends is based on the Mayan calendar.
While the crossover from one age to the next can take hundreds of years, the critical midpoint between the Age of Pisces and the Age of Aquarius is December 21st, 2012 AD, when the Earth's equatorial plane aligns exactly with the galactic center. The Ages are a purely planetary phenomenon based on the planet's wobble.
What is special about the Age of Aquarius is that not only is it a "good" Age, but it is also during this age that our solar system is going to be inside the photon belt. Every 10,684 years, our solar system enters this belt of photonic energy for a period of over 2100 years, usually during the Ages of Leo or Aquarius. When it was last in Leo, Atlantis reigned supreme in a Golden Age.
Photon energy is divine enegry or what the bible calls the Holy Spirit, and which comes from the center of Creation and is stepped down to the galactic, solar, planetary, and individual levels. We will in effect be reconnected to our divine source. This will raise the vibratory level to the point where people will either resist and die or let go and be transformed into a light being. The Earth itself will be transformed and shine like a star as its inner central sun is finally fully turned on. This is the new heaven and earth.
2. The Higher Consciousness
BeTheChange has posted some interesting videos, I would just like to point out that the 11:11 "coincidence" gets associated with the age of Aquarius.
11:11 is said to be a pre-encoded trigger placed in our cellular memory banks prior to our descent/incarnation into matter. When activated, it will signify that our time of completion and ascension is near. A shift will occur. Our consciousness will raise in frequency along with our bodies. We will be ascending into the next dimension of time/space or space/time. It can be seen as the evolution of consciousness and the earth herself. One will know when this particular gateway to awareness and higher vibration is open for them because they will continually see the numbers 11:11 (or 1111) in there every day lives and it will be a continuous occurrence.
Extract from http://theaquarianage.com/age-of-aquarius.htm below, the full article also addresses the link with the Mayan calendar and gives some tips on how to become a good Aquarian!
A "Phenomenal" Coincidence
There is a unique phenomenon sweeping the globe, which involves people feeling oddly “triggered” whenever they see the numerals 11:11 on their digital clocks and watches. This has been going on for years now, and what’s so fascinating is the fact that these people have independently come to the conclusion that they are being “woken up” to the idea that humanity is standing at some sort of “gateway” on the path of our expanding spiritual awareness. This sounds strikingly similar to what we’ve been hearing about the Age of Aquarius/Mayan calendar shift, doesn't it? An even stranger coincidence is that the event that ends the Mayan calendar—the winter solstice of 2012—will occur at exactly 11:11 Greenwich Mean Time! See what I mean about these cosmic coincidences all pointing to not only the same theme of spiritual evolution, but even to the same date and the same exact minute when it will occur!
In the Age of Aquarius, our collective relationship to the divine shifts away from bearded patriarchs toward recognizing our role as co-creators in global events. It
means moving toward a global consciousness, a collective self-awareness. The Aquarian bumber sticker: one people living on one planet. The Age of Aquarius is the networking power of decentralization and democracy. Signs of its arrival include the creation of the internet, which is moving us toward a decentralized, information-based society.
3. The Age of Aquarius and the Messiah
“And then the man who bears the pitcher will walk forth across an arc of heaven; the sign and signet of the Son of Man will stand forth in the eastern sky. The wise will then lift up their heads and know that the redemption of the Earth is near.” Aquarian Gospel
When the Aquarian Messiah, makes himself known in the years to come, how will we recognize him to be the long-awaited Messiah who will rule over the Great Age of Aquarius?
http://the-red-thread.net/God-of-Aquarius.html
With the dawning of a brand-new Age of Aquarius, we will undoubtedly notice how the scene changes dramatically to a modern ‘state of the art’, scientifically orientated culture and landscape. The Messiah/God for the Age of Aquarius will be a Humanitarian with a capital 'H' and in the truest sense of the word. Can you say ALTRUISM? Can you say PEACEMAKER? He will promote friendship and togetherness across the oceans and airwaves by means of the latest technology that science has to offer. Make no mistake about it, our new Messiah will not only be a space traveler, he will be an innovative inventor with a keenness for scientific investigation, but perhaps more importantly, he will be an honest to goodness psychic who gives Astrology it’s true place in the world. He, and I say 'he', because Aquarius is a male sign, will be a trendsetter and somewhat of an eccentric rebel, when it comes to breaking free from old traditions that have long ago petrified and grown stale.
The coming Messiah-God will be a bearer of Light, in the way of knowledge and wisdom, and as a truth seeker, he will have an idealistic mindset, and be a staunch promoter of logic, reasoning, and common sense. His subjects will be whisked away into the higher realm of fantastic discoveries and innovations that will seem highly unconventional, if not downright shocking, to many. The real truth-seekers, and the ‘young at heart’, will be intelligent enough to see the LIGHT of the new dawning Age, and break free from the restricting bonds that the Age of Pisces used to hold its victims captive for so long. These 'New-Agers' will 'fly' away with the enlightened Reformer into the vast reaches of the Heavens - both figuratively and literally, in search of that ultimate Utopia in the heavens – the paradise of heavenly Eden, where all things rise to the level of perfection.
A sweeping change comes over the entire establishment as the new Age calls for complete change - by will, or otherwise forced into action with the progressive reformation, and these changes will reach out to every branch and limb of all societies and cultures. A sense of new-found freedom will sweep across the globe, and because there will be those who stand firm in their petrified chains of bondage; rebelliousness and violence will break out among nations who bulk at the drastic Aquarian changes. The deeper time evolves into the Age, the more dramatic the changes become, for like a bolt of lightning, the Aquarian Messiah will sear ones mind with reformation, rejunification, and innovative realities of an idealistic future for all humanity.
A truly Aquarian Messiah/God will appear to be temperamental, but tolerant, impersonal, but approachable and friendly, shy and independent, original and idealistic, radical and progressive, cold, but curious. Our new 'god' of the Age will be a reformer with an idealistic agenda. Outer space and Extraterrestrials will not only be a curiosity, the interest will gain bold new momentum, especially when the Aquarian Age gets under full swing. The promotion of Astrology will be high on this god’s program. The masses will come to the realization that this ancient mathematical science of heavenly rule, is the only true 'voice' from the Great Creator of the Heavens – written by the very finger of the true Spiritual Creator of the Universe, who supersedes each and every messiah and god of all the Great Ages.
Do not look for the new Messiah to follow any status-quo, for he will be the ultimate trendsetter - never one to give in to senseless tradition and practices – no matter how many thousands of years they have been in existence. Being quite fixed in his ways, he will expect everyone to see that his approach and technique makes logical sense, and it is this realization that ushers in the ultimate in perfection.
Last, but certainly not least, our new Messiah-god will be psychic, telepathic, clairvoyant, and will have the ability to communicate with his ‘preferred’ subjects in this manner as well.
Hum! This is long post - Sorry! at least the info is in one place.
With L.O.V.E
Thanks for this information! Very interesting. Can I post this on my blog? I'd give you credit for it.
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[quote="Looking4truth]Thanks for this information! Very interesting. Can I post this on my blog? I'd give you credit for it.[/quote]
@Looking4truth , you are very welcome.
With L.O.V.E
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The Messiah/God for the Age of Aquarius will be a Humanitarian with a capital 'H' and in the truest sense of the word. Can you say ALTRUISM? Can you say PEACEMAKER? He will promote friendship and togetherness across the oceans and airwaves by means of the latest technology that science has to offer. Make no mistake about it, our new Messiah will not only be a space traveler, he will be an innovative inventor with a keenness for scientific investigation, but perhaps more importantly, he will be an honest to goodness psychic who gives Astrology it’s true place in the world. He, and I say 'he', because Aquarius is a male sign, will be a trendsetter and somewhat of an eccentric rebel, when it comes to breaking free from old traditions that have long ago petrified and grown stale.
I guess the discussion is leading towards MJ=messiah.
The whole world believe that MJ is a Virgo. Aquarius he will be if the theory of him being born during Jan-Feb 1960 applies.
Imo, this age of aquarius can be anything.
I am aquarious btw :)
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From Serenitys_Dream on page 2
Revelation 5:5 (King James Version)
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
I want to zero in on the painting on page 2 of Michael, sitting and holding the book with the key, also going with the Revelation verses that SD posted about it, but adding something to it. My computer has a virus and won't allow me to do a lot a normal functions and I can't post the picture. Could someone post it for me please? Thanks. Even when I put the whole post of SD's the painting won't show up for some strange reason. I'll have to ask my son to redo the system soon.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10157)
I'm feeling a sense of awe while I'm seeing the beauty in this painting and a new aspect I hadn't noticed before. There is a prominent curtain or veil being brushed or held aside to reveal Michael who is holding the book and key. Here is what the Bible says about this veil.
I think Michael's been reading all these same passages of Scripture through the years. :)
MJonmind please allow me to add some thoughts to your interpretation of the painting (Now displayed above)
We can see 2 big pillars in the background with a shape in the middle; I believe those to represent Joachim and Boaz, the two Pillars at the entrance of Solomon's Temple.
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In addition to a religious meaning those two pillars also have a strong Masonic significance and it is interesting that the latest Kanye West video, Power evolves around biblical themes associated with the Temple of Solomon!. I do not know how close Kanye and MJ were and whether there is any possible correlation ... but it is interesting to make the connection. The article below is long but it makes for an interesting reading as it is also linking us with the age of Aquarius amongst many other concepts discussed on this forum.
[youtube:2gisdglh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE[/youtube:2gisdglh]
Extract below from an article analysing the video: "KANYE WEST’s POWER: Symbols of the End of America, the Rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple & the Rising Phoenix – The Blazing Star Sun God!"
Full article at http://www.getxnews.com/2010/08/kanye-wests-power-symbols-of-the-end-of-america-the-rebuilding-of-solomons-temple-the-rising-phoenix-the-blazing-star-sun-god/
“It kind of leaves you with the feeling that something’s about to happen.”
- Marco Brambilla.
The rapper/producer Kanye West described his new video montage for Power, the lead single from his new album, as a “visual ballet” and a “living portrait.” Heralded by director Marco Brambilla (Demolition Man), the 90 second video blends Roman and Renaissance iconography into a neoclassical visual canvass of floating nymphs, ram-horned guards, knife-wielding attackers, pillars, halos, blazing stars, saints, sinners, multiple women and upside down figures, intermixed with Egyptian motif and classical Greek cultural images. Using digitized still imagery, laced with sexual overtones and religious references over the sounds of the chanting gospel-tinged song, the video narrative paints a moving portrait of the transition and the foreboding sense of danger from the collapse of the American Empire to the unveiling of the enlightening and illuminating new age kingdom of the Blazing Star, the Masonic Sun God, Lucifer.
“There are no standards of Right. Ethics is balderdash. Each Star must go on its own orbit. To hell with moral principle; there is no such thing” – Aleister Crowley, The Ancient and New Commentaries to Liber.
West, much like his mentor Jay-Z (who, West refers to as Huge Brother) and fellow Roc-A-Fella artiste Rihanna, have always used occultic or esoteric symbolism, referencing some form of initiation and knowledge of the secret rites and the proceedings of secret societies. A hip hop and modern well loved cultural association with the occultist Aleister Crowley’s dictum of “Do What Thou Wilt, Be The Whole Of The Law,” represented and demonstrated purposely in images, clothing lines, songs and videos.
One of the most vital concepts in understanding and discerning the meaning behind these notes and visual images is the usage of signs and symbols. A sign is defined as any object, word, gesture, action, figure, notice, event or pattern that conveys a meaning. Omens, augers or memes. Symbols are more complex, since they might represent something additional beyond the literal. Communications from our subconscious mind that resonates with our intuition. The Swiss psychiatrist and influential thinker, Carl Jung believed that symbols occur with the same meaning across individual and cultural boundaries. In the construction and formulation of analytical psychology, he explored the concept of symbolism through the examination of the human psyche, and analyzed the role play by religion, mythology, alchemy, astrology, sociology, literature, art and dreams on this psyche. These universal concepts and symbols are often referred to as archetypes – the recognizable prototype or original model upon which all other concepts are patterned. Interpretation of these symbols and patterns can often be mysterious, since meanings may not be simple or singular. Most of our understanding is usually derived from the close examination and observation of repeated patterns, the subsequent related events and the associated consequences.
he most striking symbols from the video is of West standing between two pillars at the start of the video with a large gold medal chain of the Egyptian deity Horus the Sun God around his neck. Here West and Brambilla play upon the wounding of the collective consciousness, the fall of the Twin Towers on 9/11, the subsequent collapse of the American economy and the esoteric associations with the archetype of the two fantastic pillars of Joachim and Boaz at the entrance to Solomon’s Temple. The symbol of the Blazing Star Sun God between the two pillars. The twin pillar motif representing the All-Seeing Eye of the Blazing Star.
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The centrally resonating motif of the Sun God seen on the Freemasons’ Masonic Tracing Board and associated with the Ancient Hebrews and a myriad of other religions and kingdoms from the Babylonians, Scandinavians, Spartans, Phoenicians to the Aryans. The Hebrews viewed the twin pillars as symbolic guardians of the Holy of Holies, where the Ark of the Covenant with God lies, a duality or polarity of the divine creative consciousness represented in the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Excellent and Evil. The harmonic union of opposites within the mystery of choice from the fullness of the creative conscious force. In Freemasonry, this motif represents the mysterious initiation into the worship of the Sun God, Lucifer from the ground floor of Solomon’s Temple, where through qualification and proficiency, the Entered Apprentice is brought into light from darkness, becomes a Fellowcraftsman in the first degree, is elevated through the Middle Chamber to the lofty position of Master Mason in the Sanctum Sanctorum.
“And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. He was a widow’s son of the tribe of Naph’tali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and wrought all his work. For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about.” – 1 Kings 7:13-14.
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The importance of King Solomon’s Temple has always been emphasize within the works of Freemasonry. The temple was built on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem in 975 BCE by Hiram Abiff, the chief architect and master craftsman from Tyre. Within the Masonic rituals and Biblical references, Abiff was known as the Widow’s Son, drawing parallels with Horus. The legends or myths tell of his death at the hands of others seeking to obtain the secrets of Masons, thereby leaving the temple unfinished. This tale is further sustained in the rituals that Abiff will one day return or resurrect into a glorious existence from his death to complete the temple.
“Suddenly he heard a weird voice coming from above, and crying, “Hiram, Hiram, Hiram!” He raised his eyes and beheld a gigantic human figure. The apparition continued: “Come, my son, be without dread, I have rendered thee incombustible; cast thyself into the flames.” Hiram threw himself into the furnace, and where others would have found death, he tasted ineffable delights…” – The Temple Legend – Freemasonry & Related Occult Movements.
“In the degree, the Grand Master Hiram Abiff is met at the three gates by three distinct persons. Hiram’s name in itself is symbolic and contains a hidden meaning. In the Hebrew translation the name really translates Khirm or Khurm. Hebrew does not contain any vowels so the second syllable is uncertain. The name meant ‘devoted, consecrated,’ devoted to the sacrifice as the victim. Also, the first part of his name Khi means ‘life, living, alive, the living God;’ and ‘ram’ meant ‘was, or shall, be raised, elevated.’ Thus we have ‘ the living God shall be elevated.’” – Albert Pike.
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The image above is symbolic of the Solomon’s Temple, shows West performing atop a mountain, at the recent BET Awards. Here, he is also adorn in the Horus gold jewelry piece.
Whether it’s an allegorical tale, myth or actual event; the legend of Abiff has been played out in some form in the other mythologies, civilizations deities and cultures such as with Atlantis, Osiris, Mithra, the Druids, Adonis, Quetzalcoatl, Apollo, Jesus, Buddha, etc. Abiff is further symbolized in well loved culture as Gandolf the Grey in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, Dumbledore in the J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter Series, the forerunner for other masons like Sir Francis Bacon, Sir John Dee, Albert Pike, Aleister Crowley and Manly P. Hall. Therefore, the Freemasonic rituals of death and resurrection or the Hegelian dialectic of order out of chaos is based on the initiation and life of their first Master Mason Hiram Abiff, towards the ultimate goal of rebuilding Solomon’s Temple. The sustainance of the mystery of iniquity was always kept by using this method of destruction at the hands of another power and rising like the Phoenix into the blazing glory of joy and exultation. Incidentally, Hiram was also known as the King or Prince of Tyre and the Biblical mythology attributes the Luciferian narrative unto him:
“The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the King of Tyre and say to him: `This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “`You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were made they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were made till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth…” - Ezekiel 28:11-17.
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Abiff is therefore, in reality or by ingenous and conflated choice, the extraterrestrial masonic progenitor. The precursor. The one who establish the Freemasonic traditions. It is the Hero’s tale that I have written about before, parallelized by tales of highly intelligent extraterrestrial beings that visited Earth, the archetypal concept of a civilizing God or Deity bringing and dispensing knowledge to mankind. We see this concept in the fantastic legends and mythologies of the ancient cultures of the Greek Titan Prometheus, who stole the sacred fire from Zeus and gave it to man; the feathered Serpent Quetzalcoatl of the Aztecs also known as Kukulcan of the Mayans, patron god of learning and knowledge; Viracocha of the Incas, who emerged from utter darkness to bring light to the primitives; the Angels or Sons of God in the Ancient Testament, who mated with the daughters of men and produced offspring called the Nephilim; etc. Practically all historical records, epochs of ancient civilization, secret masonic books, documents and artifacts tells the tale of the incarnation of a being or group of beings into human flesh, bringing immense power, technology and wisdom that penetrated and permeated the consciousness, evolution and development of early man. The Gods, who came from the sky. The Sky Gods. It has become the hypothesis of the Ancient [Alien] Astronaut Theory (AAT).
“…I guess every superhero need his theme music…” – Kanye West, Power.
These tales and mythological depictions are essentially all about Lucifer, the being worshiped by the Freemasons and the global elites, tales that were made from the mystery of the absence of any form of definitive explanations of historical and archaeological records and the cross-cultural interpretations of Luciferic contact and manifestations. These interpretations and misinterpretations transcended and evolved over time, where it is now considering part of the scientific field of understanding that the origins and knowledge base of humanity came from these extraterrestrial beings – the Paleocontact and Exogenesis Theory, as exemplified in the works of Erich von Daniken in his best-selling book series Chariots of the Gods, Zechariah Sitchin and his Earth Chronicles‘ theories of astronauts from the planet Nibiru/Marduk who visited the ancient Sumerians, and Robert Temple’s The Sirius Mystery of the Dogon people’s account of alien visitation around 5,000 years ago, as well as in the works of other notable scientists such as Carl Sagan, Samuilovich Shklovsky and Hermann Oberth. Theories that have crossed over from science to fringe and new age groups like the Theosophists and Raelians, into the mainstream where the extraterrestrial narrative is now the accepted gospel of the Vatican Church State, Hollywood and well loved culture. Over many centuries, mankind’s carnal focus on the elemental aspect of the world has enabled his controllers to reinforce this deception within the spectrum of consciousness keeping him in a perpetual state of blindness. A matrix. Constructs of control. So, we go from construct to construct, never quite understanding that we are living and reliving the choreography of one primary narrative structure. A fantastic deception that resulted in a progressive atrophy of the spiritual impulse governing mankind’s relationship with the Divine Creative. A deceptive primeval wisdom of gnosis, a new spiritual impulse of the incarnation of Lucifer, the illumination of knowledge piercing through mankind’s physical reality affecting and influencing every culture, civilization and mythology from ancient Atlantean to Babylonian/Sumerian to Greece to Rome to the modern world.
The perfect exemplary of this deceptive primeval wisdom of gnosis was King Solomon. Considered as the wisest of men, Solomon made the temple and other buildings with Abiff for magical ritual sacrifice and worship of deities like Moloch, Asherah, Chemosh, Afreets, Jinns, Djinns and other elemental spirits. Deities that were represented in other mythologies as Semiramis, Ishtar, Isis, Hathor, Juno, Venus, etc. Solomon is well known as one who entertained the worship of gods derided by the Hebrew Prophets. Solomon’s temple was the centre of all masonic philosophies and was linked to an ancient mythical order of 72 monarchs called Suleiman – a prehistoric race akin to the Biblical Nephilim. According to the Arabic and Persian legends, this race was originally in charge of 72 stargates around the Earth, and are currently imprisoned under the Earth to be released during what is called the end times or the end of the current age.
“In the mountains of Kaf, there is a gallery built by the giant Arzeak, where there are statues of a race who were ruled by the Suleiman or wise King of the East. There is a fantastic chair or throne of Solomon hewn out of the solid rock called the Takht-i-Suleiman or throne of Solomon.” - Persian Legend.
Aryan literature mentions Suleiman as an ancient title of royal power, often synonymous with a “Pharoah” or a “Sultan.” Other secret text trace this Suleiman or Nephilim group back to Atlantis and mankind’s evolution through the ancient world by mixing with the daughters of men or genetic engineering, toward the enlightened state of the master Aryan race, the fulfilment of the ancient hope for a new world order of the ages governed by the heroes of ancient, the men of renown.
“There is magic in names and the mightiest among these words of magic is Atlantis… it is as if this vision of a lost culture touched the most hidden thoughts of our soul.” – H.G. Wells.
“When our founders declared a New Order of the Ages, they were acting on an ancient hope that is meant to be fulfilled.” – President George W. Bush.
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Washington as Horus between the pillars.
So, what we are seeing is that the magical rituals, incarnations and invocations of these beings extends to Freemasonry, to Solomon’s Temple to Egypt and to the rising of Atlantis. The ancient hope for the completion of the temple and full restoration of the Atlantean kingdom. The apotheosis. The incarnation of a deity through the underworld to the Earth’s surface in the embodiment of a man – Horus/Tammuz, through the union of the dome or the womb of Isis/Semiramisis and the obelisk or the erected phallus of Osiris/Nimrod. Reanimating DNA just as Isis did with Osiris’ 13 pieces to make Horus, the resurrected Osiris. The legend of the Egyptian cosmology. A legend that has been venerated throughout history. A stargate of an ancient Atlantean hope to the Babylonian/Egyptian/Greek and Roman symbols to the national symbols of America. The All-Seeing Eye of Horus. The All-Seeing of RA. Novus Ordo Seclurum. A New World Order. A portal from the Babylonian Goddess Semiramis to the Statue of Liberty. A wormhole from Egypt’s grand pyramids at Giza to the obelisk at the Washington monument, the tallest in the world. A spiral of the dome at the Vatican to the dome of the Capitol in Washington. A timewarp from Abiff’s twin pillars at Solomon’s Temple to George Washington’s creation of the American masonic state to 9/11 to Kanye West’s visual imagery. The location of Washington D.C. on the 77th Meridian, the inverted Pentagram in the street layout north of the White House, cities laid out in perfect alignment with Stonehenge and other megalithic monuments, the All-Seeing Eye of Lucifer hovering over the unfinished pyramid on the back of the United States dollar bill,… The veneration of fallen angels or aliens sexual relationship and DNA manipulation of Earth women. Representative of the male and female organs. Mystical and magical objects metaphorically illustrating the male and female aspects of the relationship. The duality. The polarity. The creative nature of the Sons of God mixed with the human equation. The creation and evolution of the Luciferic kingdom.
“…this is God engineering…I’m on my 3rd six [666]…” - Jay-Z, Freemason featuring Rick Ross.
“That which we must say to the crowd is – we worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (of the 33rd degree), we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd , 31st and 30th degrees – The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the right and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, [is the right] God of Light and God of Excellent, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.” – Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma.
The invocation of Horus, by the representation of the phallus and dome, assimilating the rays of the Sun God RA’s essence and dispersing energy into the dome which would bring forth Osiris’ seed through the head of the obelisk into the dome of Isis. Therefore, Osiris is reincarnated, resurrected or rebirth as Horus. The tradition of the Pharoah entering into the Holy womb or dome of Isis at the Temple of Luxor, where a ceremony is conducted. This ceremony is the same as that of the inauguration of each President of the United States. The transmogrification of the Pharoah into the deity Osiris. In other words, the transformation of Osiris or more accurately, the incarnation of Lucifer. Becoming the most powerful man on Earth. The Roscrucian Freemasonic mysticism of the raising of Osiris in the inauguration’s raising ceremony. This ceremony is also symbolically done with the Freemason’s initiation, as well as the papal coronation at the Vatican.
“All these groups belong to what is called The Order of the Quest. All were searching for one and the same thing… That one thing was a perfected social order… the government of the philosopher-king.” – Manly P. Hall.
To further, illustrate where this is going. Here we see West in his final reflection embedded just below the apex of the midpoint of the letter W at the end of the video. W is the twenty-third letter of the alphabet. 2/3 = .666. In hebrew, the 6th letter of the alphabet is W. West fits within the triangle of the letter W entraining with the Blazing Star and All-Seeing Eye of Lucifer between the twin pillars at the outter end of the letter. The sword of above his head represents the Piscean Age, which New Agers believe will be conquered by the Spirit of the Aquarian Age. According to the Biblical mythology, Jesus Christ, told his disciples to be prepared for that moment:
“And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.” – Luke 22:10.
This makes perfect sense, since the mythology of the Christ was copied and made from the life of Horus and other ancient dieties by the Vatican Church State at the Council of Nicea, the modern revival of the Ancient Babylonian Mystery system and spread throughout Christianity, Islam and Judaism. During this Aquarian Age, these religions and beliefs will be reconciled, aligned and syncretized with exopolitics in an official inclusive approach to carry on the deceptive Luciferian narrative under the appearance of Horus, the Masonic Christ. The extraterrestrial. The Vatican Church, the most symbolic representation of the Piscean Age is already making vast preparations for this moment. Therefore the Bible is not really the word of an Almighty God, but the blueprint of the Hero’s tale – Lucifer’s journey. Like Joseph Campbell says in his book The Hero with a Thousand Faces, the Universal Hero must pass through a stage of Apotheosis.
“For Jesus walking with me, for dying for me, Raising for me, and all my sins have been forgiven, I’m a changed man, I’m healed, I’m delivered…” – Kanye West, Jesus Walks.
The syncretism formulates a fundamental part in the deception since all Earth ages experiences this transition. Death and rebirth. From Taurus the bull, where the ancient Israelites makes a golden calf, to Aries the ram symbolized by Moses, to Pisces when Jesus ushers in the ages of the two fishes, to the coming Aquarian Age. We see these ages represented in West’s video. It is a singular mythological narrative of the incarnation and transmogrification of the Luciferian spirit.
“… The first task is to take down the American dark cabal. It has plundered Mother Earth for decades and caused a widespread ecological extinction process to start, leading to the death of entire species of trees, plants, and animals. This is a harbinger for the massive changes to be wrought by Mother Nature when the time comes for her to return to full consciousness… a global distribution of power needs to be reestablished… What this amounts to is the need for a new economic, financial, and political system… paving the way for first contact, which remains the ultimate objective. A transitional reality is to facilitate a whole host of events that are to prepare you completely for contact… and worse is to follow in the beginning of your next Gregorian year… Our momentum toward contact cannot be stalled much longer. First contact is needed… Many things are to break loose to ensure that what we both want occurs… the Grand Plot of Heaven is unfolding before us…” – Channeler Sheldan Nidle, Spiritual Hierarchy and the Galactic Federation of Light.
In order for the ultimate incarnation of Lucifer and movement towards the fulfilment of the ancient hope, America and its power structure must be ruined or changed fundamentally from the way that it was originally constituted. Right now, that is quickly being accomplish under the administration of President Barack Obama.
“So far have they [the United States] strayed into wickedness in those [future] times that their destruction has been sealed by my [father]. Their fantastic cities will burn, their crops and cattle will suffer disease and death, their children will perish from diseases never seen upon this Earth, and I reveal to you the greatest [mystery] of all as I have been allowed to see that their [the United States] destruction will come about through the vengeful hands of one of our very own sons.” – Johanwa Owalo, Kenyan Prophet and the founder of Kenya’s Nomiya Luo Church, 1912.
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The Messiah/God for the Age of Aquarius will be a Humanitarian with a capital 'H' and in the truest sense of the word. Can you say ALTRUISM? Can you say PEACEMAKER? He will promote friendship and togetherness across the oceans and airwaves by means of the latest technology that science has to offer. Make no mistake about it, our new Messiah will not only be a space traveler, he will be an innovative inventor with a keenness for scientific investigation, but perhaps more importantly, he will be an honest to goodness psychic who gives Astrology it’s true place in the world. He, and I say 'he', because Aquarius is a male sign, will be a trendsetter and somewhat of an eccentric rebel, when it comes to breaking free from old traditions that have long ago petrified and grown stale.
I guess the discussion is leading towards MJ=messiah.
The whole world believe that MJ is a Virgo. Aquarius he will be if the theory of him being born during Jan-Feb 1960 applies.
Imo, this age of aquarius can be anything.
I am aquarious btw :)
The description of the Aquarius Messiah does indeed show some interesting parallel with MJ and I cannot help thinking about Light Man and the hoax numerology ( ;) ) when reading the paragraph below.
The coming Messiah-God will be a bearer of Light, in the way of knowledge and wisdom, and as a truth seeker, he will have an idealistic mindset, and be a staunch promoter of logic, reasoning, and common sense. His subjects will be whisked away into the higher realm of fantastic discoveries and innovations that will seem highly unconventional, if not downright shocking, to many. The real truth-seekers, and the ‘young at heart’, will be intelligent enough to see the LIGHT of the new dawning Age, and break free from the restricting bonds that the Age of Pisces used to hold its victims captive for so long.
It is undeniable that MJ is a Messiah, this shows through the depth of his message, his loving and caring nature, his ability to touch hundreds of millions people globally and the strength of his humanitarian vision.
However, is MJ The Aquarius Messiah, the Second Coming of Christ? ?
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To me, Michael was/ is a messenger of peace, care, tolerance and love.
Messiah interpretated as a messenger, or may be, a preacher for good.
I don´t see it in a religious context ;) even if the word messiah implies that.
Looking from the metaphor, MJ= Christ?, yes, a man loved, followed and then tortured for "our sins"--> people´s prejudices that lead him to be in court proving that he was innocent.
Age of Aquarius and Michael Jackson? I have no idea why the thread was created on the first place. If Michael is aquarius, would that change anything? I don´t think so ;)
I can only think about MJ wanting to come back once the age of aquarius is settled down because of what it means, a better era with more open mindness and higher spiritual goals.
I respect every opinion and If people is happy seeing MJ as the second Christ, as long as they are happy I am happy as well.
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The coming Messiah-God will be a bearer of Light, in the way of knowledge and wisdom, and as a truth seeker (TS??), he will have an idealistic mindset, and be a staunch promoter of logic, reasoning, and common sense (Isn't that what TS has been promoting?? To THINK for OURSELVES?!). His subjects will be whisked away into the higher realm of fantastic discoveries and innovations that will seem highly unconventional, if not downright shocking, to many. The real truth-seekers, and the ‘young at heart’, will be intelligent enough to see the LIGHT of the new dawning Age, and break free from the restricting bonds that the Age of Pisces used to hold its victims captive for so long.
Wow... to me that sounds like Mike verbatim. And the last part about the new age... just seems strange that this is happening at the SAME TIME as the coming of he new age. Cannot be coincidence. Personally, I've regarded Michael as special my entire life and he's the only human being that I would trust/believe as being the messiah.
Don't get me wrong, I know Mike is fully human... but so was Jesus, right? I can't think of anyone more qualified for this "role" on Earth.
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This all feels so strange, some time I really feel like I am living some sort of Dream and I have to fight to keep my feet on the ground; this Hoax is just like living in an alternative reality!
My logical mind much prefers to associate MJ with a Messiah, defined in a non religious context and this is where I am fighting to keep my thoughts. However for some reasons, there are some lingering doubts creeping up constantly - Those are like little gremlins, there look like the little Elfs in the Harry Potter story, they all have their own little personalities and they "poke" at me from time to time, as if to wake me up and get me to change my mind!
My logic says:
- Michael is the ultimate entertainer, he knows better than anybody how to create mystery and all the parallels with Jesus, the revealing of the Ark of the Covenant stories, 2012 have all been planted there to create Mystery.
- It is full credit to Michael's genius that my stubborn logical mind is getting confused and my imagination taking over to re-create History.
Then the little Elfs arrive and ask me questions and we get into a dialog where I seek to defend my logic:
Elf: "Do you think that Michael would have been able to touch so many globally if he wasn't a very special being?"
Myself: "I never said that Michael wasn't a special Being because he is! But others have also inspired millions, take Lady Diana, MLK, Ghandi, being a special Being does not necessary make him a Jesus like Messiah!"
Elf: "Why did Michael make the parallels with Jesus so obvious?"
Myself: "Well! I can only assume that he wants to add some mystery to his persona, or maybe as a religious person, he feels that he is genuinely guided by God and has a mission to accomplish."
Elf: "Why were they stories of the revealing of the Ark coming out on the 25th June 2009?"
Myself: "Michael could have planted them to support the Hoax"
Elf: "Why is TS very clearly bringing the Ark, Jesus, 2012 into the discussion?"
Myself: "Because TS is Michael, and Michael wants to add more mystery into hoax - Maybe he has some plans in how to use all of this as part of the reveal. Well I am not too sure!"
Elf: " And as a religious person, don't you think that Michael believed in the bible predictions such as those described in the Book of Revelations?"
Myself: " I genuinely don't know - This is a trick question! There are also a lot of egyptian symbolisms in Michael's work, this leads me to think that he may have discovered the meaning of the Bible as a book of History that underpins major predictions with the movement of the stars. He may see what the majority of people are not yet able to see."
Elf: "What has Michael got to gain in associating himself with such stories?"
Myself: "Hum! Mystery I guess or he has a message that brings all of it together, whether this is with regards to his "future role" or in relations with Human conditioning."
Elf: "Is "faking is death" not enough of a mystery as it is?"
Myself: "For most it would be, but Michael seems to think differently than most, everything seems much more multi -dimensional with Michael, much bigger, much more mind blowing."
Elf: "And what are you doing spending all of this time "investigating" his death? You never were a fan!"
Myself: "You are a tricky Elf aren't you! I am not sure I like this question! Let's say that I never felt I was given the choice; I suddenly found myself "connected" with Michael and I have never been able to explain it... I guess God had a hand in it somehow!"
Elf: "I see ;) "
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@TheRunningGirl... That was awesome! I was thoroughly entertained by your post :D :lol: The last part especially. I understand that thought process very well, and no matter how I try to talk myself out of certain things, the more I prove to myself that it's very possible. For me personally, I know my ego gets in the way a lot. It doesn't want to believe these things in fear of being wrong and looking stupid. But my soul is not afraid to make a fool of itself apparently :lol:
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@TheRunningGirl... That was awesome! I was thoroughly entertained by your post :D :lol: The last part especially. I understand that thought process very well, and no matter how I try to talk myself out of certain things, the more I prove to myself that it's very possible. For me personally, I know my ego gets in the way a lot. It doesn't want to believe these things in fear of being wrong and looking stupid. But my soul is not afraid to make a fool of itself apparently :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Thank you Jaci! I try to talk with the little Elf only when I am in my padded cell nowadays... learning from experience I guess! ;)
Sudden flash of realism: I find it fascinating that it is so difficult to get real factual information of important events in our History - if the truth was written in our history books, we would not be trying to make sense of what happened 2000 + years ago in relations to current events ... and it would be so much easier to draw valid conclusions...! ;)
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Just a nice depiction of Michael..thought i would share'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6S9XYciZaw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6S9XYciZaw)
Blessings, Love and Light friends...I love you all!
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/benheine/3677029800/
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TheRunningGirl. I really like your elf. He could come in handy for brainstorming. Please continue your debate with him. Maybe even show his pic. :lol: He's much more easy to listen to, than a long lecture style post. ;)
Bear with me this, it reminds of of my husband coming up with this character named Rolf which was his plain hand as a puppet, when my boys were young. My one more serious son really got into it, and would have long conversations with it/him, while the younger son kept trying to hit him saying he was bad. For a couple of years the older son would ask occasionally if he could talk to Rolf. Makes me smile now. :)
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TheRunningGirl. I really like your elf. He could come in handy for brainstorming. Please continue your debate with him. Maybe even show his pic. :lol: He's much more easy to listen to, than a long lecture style post. ;)
Bear with me this, it reminds of of my husband coming up with this character named Rolf which was his plain hand as a puppet, when my boys were young. My one more serious son really got into it, and would have long conversations with it/him, while the younger son kept trying to hit him saying he was bad. For a couple of years the older son would ask occasionally if he could talk to Rolf. Makes me smile now. :)
My little Elf says he is called Dobby! ;)
He is very patient and compassionate, he seems to know that HUGE leaps of Faith are quite difficult to make so he let me see the light very gently. He even appeared with Breakfast this morning, I took a picture for you MJonmind :) :
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:r5ghwQnk-St_lM:b)
My continued research on the great ages/ age of Aquarius/ Scriptures/ Periodicity, seems to be leading to the existence of some sort of Cosmic law shaping our History and where the position of the stars influence our future.
The Bible description of "Jesus" correlates nicely with the cosmic law theory where main events in the Bible are representative of the movement of the stars at a certain moment in time. Jesus birth marks the start of the age of Pisces and his second coming would correspond to the start of the age of Aquarius (Possibly around 2012). Jesus represents the Son (Sun) of God, the light on Earth, the one who is here to show us the way.
A couple of interesting facts supporting the above theory:
1. Before the sun entered Pisces Jesus was the Lamb of God in Aries. "The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29)
2. After his resurrection, he entered Pisces the fish.
"They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
and he took it and ate before them". (Luke 24:42-43).
3. Jesus is referred to as carpenter in Mark 6:3. Carpenters build houses.
4. Room and house are synonymous with house of the Zodiac. The man carrying a jar of water describes Aquarius. Aquarius is a large constellation which Luke describes as a large upper room.
He said to them, "Behold, when you have entered the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you; follow him into the house which he enters,
and tell the householder, 'The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room, where I am to eat the Passover with my disciples?'
And he will show you a large upper room furnished; there make ready." (Luke 22:10-12).
5. The place of their last supper symbolizes the Age of Aquarius, the time of his return.
6. And he said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer;
for I tell you I shall not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." (Luke 22:15-16)
In my Father's house are many rooms. (John 14:2)
7. I am the light of the world. "I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12)
"As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." (John 9:5)
@Serenity - Thank you for posting the painting of Michael as the Sky God, the list of references portraying Michael as the Messiah seems to be endless... and this is without mentioning the teacher and is active teaching in the present times... ;) I am struggling to see why, Michael would make those parallels so obvious unless he genuinely believes that he is the Messiah and he is prepared to come back and lead the way!
Michael, I guess you will let us know in due time... before we get too deep in the rabbit hole. ;) :) :)
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My little Elf says he is called Dobby! ;)
He is very patient and compassionate, he seems to know that HUGE leaps of Faith are quite difficult to make so he let me see the light very gently. He even appeared with Breakfast this morning, I took a picture for you MJonmind :) :
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:r5ghwQnk-St_lM:b)
My continued research on the great ages/ age of Aquarius/ Scriptures/ Periodicity, seems to be leading to the existence of some sort of Cosmic law shaping our History and where the position of the stars influence our future.
The Bible description of "Jesus" correlates nicely with the cosmic law theory where main events in the Bible are representative of the movement of the stars at a certain moment in time. Jesus birth marks the start of the age of Pisces and his second coming would correspond to the start of the age of Aquarius (Possibly around 2012). Jesus represents the Son (Sun) of God, the light on Earth, the one who is here to show us the way.
A couple of interesting facts supporting the above theory:
1. Before the sun entered Pisces Jesus was the Lamb of God in Aries. "The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29)
2. After his resurrection, he entered Pisces the fish.
"They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
and he took it and ate before them". (Luke 24:42-43).
3. Jesus is referred to as carpenter in Mark 6:3. Carpenters build houses.
4. Room and house are synonymous with house of the Zodiac. The man carrying a jar of water describes Aquarius. Aquarius is a large constellation which Luke describes as a large upper room.
He said to them, "Behold, when you have entered the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you; follow him into the house which he enters,
and tell the householder, 'The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room, where I am to eat the Passover with my disciples?'
And he will show you a large upper room furnished; there make ready." (Luke 22:10-12).
5. The place of their last supper symbolizes the Age of Aquarius, the time of his return.
6. And he said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer;
for I tell you I shall not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." (Luke 22:15-16)
In my Father's house are many rooms. (John 14:2)
7. I am the light of the world. "I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12)
"As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." (John 9:5)
@Serenity - Thank you for posting the painting of Michael as the Sky God, the list of references portraying Michael as the Messiah seems to be endless... and this is without mentioning the teacher and is active teaching in the present times... ;) I am struggling to see why, Michael would make those parallels so obvious unless he genuinely believes that he is the Messiah and he is prepared to come back and lead the way!
Michael, I guess you will let us know in due time... before we get too deep in the rabbit hole. ;) :) :)
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Thanks for posting. This reminds me of what they were saying in the movie, Zeitgeist. Plus, the "I am the light of the world" reminds me of This Is It lyrics...
One, Two, Three, Four
This is it, here I stand
I'm the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real
And it feels as though I've seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C'mon baby, just understand
This is it, I can say,
I'm the light of the world, run away [?]
We can feel, this is real
Every time I'm in love that I feel
And I feel as though I've known you since 1, 000 years
And you tell me that you've seen my face before.
And you said to me you don't want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C'mon baby, just understand
This is it, I can feel
I'm the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way
And I feel as though I've known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won't you go with me, on a while
And I know that it's really cool myself
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C'mon baby, just understand
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C'mon baby, just understand
More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/m/mich ... son/#share (http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/m/michael_jackson/#share)
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...Taking into considerations the previously stated theory on the age of Aquarius, the article below posted by Seeingclues on the "Michael Jackson and Religious symbolism" thread and the MJ and messiah parallels discussed in the "Michael Jackson and Religious symbolism" thread, aren't we getting closer to a meaningful theory - MJ as the Messiah for the Age of Aquarius? :oops: I never thought I could write this! :shock:
You all may find this interesting as well. A story about a blue "eye of God" that had been discovered by astronomers was published in February 2009. The news article was published on the 25th of the month, and the image is 700 light years away from Earth.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/4805889/Eye-of-God-pictured-in-space.html
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10552)
Eye of God pictured in space European astronomers have taken a stunning photo of a Big Brother-style cosmic eye, nicknamed the Eye of God, staring down from space.
The bright blue pupil and the white of the eye are fringed by flesh-coloured eyelids - but this eye is so big that it light takes two and a half years to cross from one side to the other.
The object is actually a shell of gas and dust that has been blown off by a faint central star. Our own solar system will meet a similar fate five billion years in the future.
It lies around 700 light-years away in the constellation of Aquarius, and can be dimly seen in small backyard telescopes by amateur astronomers who call it the Helix nebula. It covers an area of sky around a quarter the size of the full moon.
The photo was taken with a giant telescope at the European Southern Observatory, high on a mountaintop at La Silla in Chile. It is so detailed that a close-up reveals distant galaxies within the central eyeball.
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This is the thread where SD mentions about Lisa necklace. This galaxy that contains this same symbol and and the third eye is also blue. Fascinating things out there in space! I believe the ancients always felt that the stars and constellations spoke the message that God the Creator wanted to tell mankind, repeating certain themes over and over again thru myths, legends, the Bible. At the most simplistic level (I'm rather simple, ha!) there is in the grand story of creation and history of the universe, this 2 sided evil and good, dualism, with God at the centre, the Eye of the Creator Who sees all. However they are two sides of the same coin. Evil and good. That's why as time moves on and we are gaining phenominal understanding with incredible information at our fingertips, which the ancients gained in tidbits at great cost, the two sides of God are becoming blurred and harder to determine where details belong--to the good or evil side. Darkness is the backdrop to the light. Hate, death, evil--a backdrop to love, life, goodness. There's a parallel of these two running throughout the Bible, sometimes confusingly intertwining. At the end of Revelation will come the future event when God will become all in all. All creation restored to the Garden of Eden perfection. Revelation 21 & 22.
All the universe is feeling pain right now but will be redeemed and recreated as talked about in Romans 8:14-23:
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
I also believe that is why Michael as the Thriller is both "evil" and good. There are some indications that Michael could appear like the Anti-Christ in some ways as well as the Messiah. This is all very complex and on such a intergalactic scale, and hard to wrap our minds around. That also may explain one person's question as to how Alister Crowley's favorite number was 777 as well as Michael's. These are just vague intuitions I'm receiving and by no means am I solid on this, but trying to grasp so ultra mystical things. Thanks for listening.
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HI Souza
regards MJ's real b'day tthat would make him the youngest of the brothers and I don'[t know where i heard it but I have heard before that MJ the youngest of the brothers/ I don't think it was jsut the Jackson 5 I am sure it was of the boys leaving only Janet to be the baby, I am sure i may have been even worded like Michael then Janet?? who knows jsut my thoughts but I can remember thinking when I learnt Randy was younger I thought to Myself I thought Mj was the youngest??????? sorry I cna't recall actual facts but for some reason I was lead to believe this from what I ehard, not sure when Or where or what said exactly???? who knows maybe someones slip up somewhere, but yeah ??? but hten On a clip I saw recently Mj was definitley looking older than Randy on The Johnny Carson (is that right spelling ) Show. No disrespect to Mr Johnny Carson. so who knows but very interesting.
love always
take care
Michelle