Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Katherine Jackson Sues AEG Over Michael's Death
26 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
Katherine Jackson and Michael Jackson's children are suing AEG Live -- claiming the company breached their agreement to provide physical care for Michael Jackson -- and that AEG was negligent in their hiring of Conrad Murray as MJ's doctor.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/15/091510-katherine-jackson-bn.jpg)
In the suit, Katherine claims AEG's contract with Michael "created a legal duty for AEG to act reasonably toward the physical well-being of Michael Jackson."
Here's what's interesting ... the lawsuit mistakenly lists Katherine Jackson as a Guardian ad Litem for Michael's 3 kids. Katherine is not a Guardian ad Litem -- i.e. the legal representative. Katherine is the guardian of the children. This mistake, along with the fact that Katherine's reps know nothing about the lawsuit suggests she is not actively involved in this case.
Kenny Ortega, who produced the planned London concerts for Michael, is also named as a defendant.
Story developing....
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-j ... -contract/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-aeg-live-death-civil-lawsuit-breach-of-contract/)
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Here's what's interesting ... the lawsuit mistakenly lists Katherine Jackson as a Guardian ad Litem for Michael's 3 kids. Katherine is not a Guardian ad Litem -- i.e. the legal representative. Katherine is the guardian of the children. This mistake, along with the fact that Katherine's reps know nothing about the lawsuit suggests she is not actively involved in this case.
:? :? :?
So who filed the suit?
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-j ... -contract/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-aeg-live-death-civil-lawsuit-breach-of-contract/)
Slight update... still doesn't confirm who filed the lawsuit though :? :? :?
In the document, Katherine also blames AEG for hiring Dr. Conrad Murray without a proper background check -- claiming, "AEG did not provide a doctor who was truly looking out for Jackson's well-being and did not provide equipment."
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-aeg-live-death-civil-lawsuit-breach-of-contract/
Slight update... still doesn't confirm who filed the lawsuit though :? :? :?
In the document, Katherine also blames AEG for hiring Dr. Conrad Murray without a proper background check -- claiming, "AEG did not provide a doctor who was truly looking out for Jackson's well-being and did not provide equipment."
So Katherine is helping get Murray off the hook as well? :lol:
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Why file this civil lawsuit before the criminal trial? Why not let the D.A.'s office finish their case? My goodness there hasn't been a prelim hearing?
The D.A. has access to sources and information that could help this case, but I feel the family may be jepordizing that case. It's as if they are helping Murray to prove his case that it was not his fault. It was AEG he killled MJ, not Murray.
Something isn't adding up. Any good attorney would tell the family to wait until CM's case is completed.
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-aeg-live-death-civil-lawsuit-breach-of-contract/
Slight update... still doesn't confirm who filed the lawsuit though :? :? :?
In the document, Katherine also blames AEG for hiring Dr. Conrad Murray without a proper background check -- claiming, "AEG did not provide a doctor who was truly looking out for Jackson's well-being and did not provide equipment."
So Katherine is helping get Murray off the hook as well? :lol:
Exactly!! He can use the same position as a defense that he was not given proper equiptment to care for MJ, therefore he was not at fault.
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More has been added to this article:
The suit also alleges AEG caused emotional distress to Michael's son Prince because he witnessed Michael suffering and dying, and "he was put in a position as bystander to these tragic events."
AND best of all.......
The attorney who filed the suit, Brian J. Panish, released a statement saying, "The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."
;)
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"The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."
:shock: 8-)
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More has been added to this article:
The suit also alleges AEG caused emotional distress to Michael's son Prince because he witnessed Michael suffering and dying, and "he was put in a position as bystander to these tragic events."
AND best of all.......
The attorney who filed the suit, Brian J. Panish, released a statement saying, "The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."
;)
ORLY? Now we're getting somewhere. And I agree, the boy looks so traumatized... :?
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http://www.innercircle.org/LawyerSearch/Brian-Panish (http://www.innercircle.org/LawyerSearch/Brian-Panish)
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Picture changed now as well:
Katherine Jackson Sues AEG Over Michael's Death
9/15/2010 4:10 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
Katherine Jackson and Michael Jackson's children are suing AEG Live -- claiming the company breached its agreement to provide physical care for Michael Jackson -- and that AEG was negligent in their hiring of Dr. Conrad Murray as MJ's physician.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/15/0915-katherine-jackson-getty-bn-02-credit.jpg)
In the suit, Katherine claims AEG's contract with Michael "created a legal duty for AEG to act reasonably toward the physical well-being of Michael Jackson."
In the document, Katherine also blames AEG for hiring Dr. Murray without a proper background check -- claiming, "AEG did not provide a doctor who was truly looking out for Jackson's well-being and did not provide equipment."
The suit also alleges AEG caused emotional distress to Michael's son Prince because he witnessed Michael suffering and dying, and "he was put in a position as bystander to these tragic events."
Kenny Ortega, who produced the planned London concerts for Michael, is also named as a defendant.
The attorney who filed the suit, Brian J. Panish, released a statement saying, "The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."
Story developing....
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Brian Panish - Trial Lawyer
Mr. Panish is a graduate of California State University, Fresno (B.S., Cum Laude, 1980), where he received the Fresno State Scholar Athlete Award and Athletic Directors Award and was also selected as California State University, Fresno's 2010 Outstanding Alumni. While attending Southwestern Law School (J.D., Cum Laude, 1984), he won the American Jurisprudence Award in Wills and Trusts, Legal Professions Secured Transactions, Entertainment Law and Product Liability.
Verdicts and Settlements
http://www.psandb.com/panish.html
Lawyering Up Pellicano's Victims
Deadline Hollywood Daily By Nikki Finke March 9, 2006
I've learned that two high profile Westside Los Angeles litigators, Neville Johnson (of the firm Johnson and Rishwain) and Brian Panish (of Panish Shea & Boyle LLP) are meeting with many victims of the Pellicano wiretapping scandal to jointly represent them. Remember last month's LA Times story speculating how costly these cases could be if deep pocketed cities like Los Angeles and Beverly Hills, or fancy-shmancy law firms, or super-rich Pellicano clients were found liable in some way for The Pelican's deeds? Well, Johnson was quoted by the paper warning that the damages could be vast. (Cuba Gooding Jr. should be shouting, "Show me the money!")
Quick bios are in order. Expectedly, both attorneys are well-awarded.
Johnson is a foremost go-to guy for invasion-of-privacy torts, especially against the media. He repped Carolyn Condit (wife of Cong. Gary Condit) in a libel lawsuit against the National Enquirer that was settled for a secret amount. He's sued ABC for its news magazine shows' tactic of using hidden cameras. Most recently, Johnson is leading indie label TSR Records' antitrust lawsuit against Sony BMG Music Entertainment; it's an outgrowth of the music giant's settlement of those pesky payola allegations. His firm takes on many such David vs Goliath cases even though it's much more common here to embrace Goliath and kiss off David.
Panish is best known as the lead plaintiffs' lawyer who brought General Motors to its knees in 1999 over secret documents and memos stemming from fuel-tank fires that erupted in collisions. He scored a $4.9 billion jury award, forcing the auto maker to eventually settle a string of accident related-personal injury lawsuits. More recently, Panish was the plaintiffs' lawyer when an Orange County jury ordered the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway to pay $2.8 million to the parents of a commuter who died in a 2002 Metrolink accident. But that's peanuts compared to the largest ever San Francisco jury award of $27 million he secured for the family of a 4-year-old girl hit by a Muni truck. Panish also is repping victims and families against the City of Santa Monica for that accident when a car driven by an 88-year-old man plowed through a crowded farmers market, killing 10 and injuring 63.
http://www.psandb.com/news-pellicano-dhd.html
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More coincidences....
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Kenny Ortega also..... :?:
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This is the actual document filed...it is on the Lawyers website:
http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf) ......... read more here.
Now is this how an official document really is worded??? The world has lost the best entertainer..??? :D :D :D :D
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AEG is now to blame for everything
AEG is guilty of hiring Murray
AEG is guilty of not providing the equipment
AEG is guilty of emotional distress caused to the son of Michael, .. Murray and in turn blames the addiction Arnie Michael ..... "Sigh" :lol:
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Kenny Ortega also..... :?:
Thats what pinged out to me.
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Case Number: 445597
4+4 =8
5+5=10
9+7=16
8/10/16 swap around the numbers gives 8/16/10 - 16th August 2010- the 33rd Anniversary of the "death" of Elvis
and add them all together 8+1+6+1+0 = 16 = 7 (surprise surprise)
*ughhh I meant 16th August...corrected now :oops:
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And the contract states that AEG could get his catalogue if he didn't perform...WTH.
What choice did he have then???
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MJ Will:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/willkids.png)
This new complaint:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/wdskids.jpg)
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
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I have a question.......if the family knew this from the start, then why did they invite all the people who are responsible for killing Michael to their private funeral and also let them organise it ?????
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I have a question.......if the family knew this from the start, then why did they invite all the people who are responsible for killing Michael to their private funeral and also let them organise it ?????
Very good question that deserves an answer.. especially as Kenny organised the memorial and the funeral... seems odd doesnt it?
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Everyone is playing the blame game.
Joe blames Katherine, Joe blames Dr. Murray and AEG, Katherine blames AEG and Kenny Ortega, Dr. Murray blames Arnie Klein and so on and so forth.
For what purpose? Perhaps to bring to light the circumstances surrounding Michael's "death". Everyone involved in the hoax is playing their part - blame everybody else to keep MJ's mystery going. We on this forum are of course always all over it but the rest of the world isn't (for the most part). Everyone will again ask themselves whose fault is it? And what really happened that day? I mean, new details will certainly have to come to light considering all these alleged lawsuits.
And I really think Harvey is off somewhere getting these stories like I said in the other thread. He has a few days off this week and BAM- all these MJ stories pop-up. He stated before on a TMZ Live that when he was on vacation, he was still writing the MJ stuff and sending it in.
And to top off everything else today, they add in the Ace of Base 'Memba Them! A group known best for their song "The Sign" which TS actually signs off as on in his/her last post!
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Andrea, good observation, I think people who believe in what TS says they have to start believing. :mrgreen:
"The Sign"
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This is the actual document filed...it is on the Lawyers website:
http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf) ......... read more here.
Now is this how an official document really is worded??? The world has lost the best entertainer..??? :D :D :D :D
"The assets from which AEG could seize from Michael Jackson include the Sony/ATV song catalogue owned by Jackson"
This part is clearly blocked on the contract we saw. Mike would never put his catalogue at risk. I smell a big fat rat.
Reading on...
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This is the actual document filed...it is on the Lawyers website:
http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf) ......... read more here.
Now is this how an official document really is worded??? The world has lost the best entertainer..??? :D :D :D :D
Exactly! Since when have technical legal documents become flowered with such creative writing!?!!??!?!? Was this document drawn up in Culver City?????
**********Also, did you notice in the original TMZ picture of Katherine Jackson---she is wearing a black shirt with white dots......Is this another "follow the dots"!!!!!
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ok, so Mike had to take a medical examination to get an insurance that would benefit AEG, he passes this as a NASA-astronaut, yet he was heavily on RX and had a bad health.
Who let the rats out? :lol:
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This really points to AEG being the bad rats in all of this.....
They threatened both MJ and Murray....do it our way, or the highway.
So MJ had no choice...if his health was really at risk, he would have died by doing all the 50 shows, or he would have been ruined if he didn't..
I see all the reasons clearly now, for having to fake his death, and I still believe Murray morally did the right thing and warned Michael about the risks of continuing this grueling regimen...it would have killed him anyway....That's why we need Murray to testify against AEG....soon and very soon we will see the king. ;) ;)
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This really points to AEG being the bad rats in all of this.....
They threatened both MJ and Murray....do it our way, or the highway.
So MJ had no choice...if his health was really at risk, he would have died by doing all the 50 shows, or he would have been ruined if he didn't..
I see all the reasons clearly now, for having to fake his death, and I still believe Murray morally did the right thing and warned Michael about the risks of continuing this grueling regimen...it would have killed him anyway....That's why we need Murray to testify against AEG....soon and very soon we will see the king. ;) ;)
You are forgetting something pretty important... Randy Philips and Kenny Ortega, who both are in up to their necks.
"Thank you for taking me this far, I can take it from here."
No, there is somthing else up with it, need to think about it. If Murray is BS, if the death is BS, we can safely say that AEG being the bad guy is BS as well.
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Kenny Ortega also..... :?:
:o :shock: Interesting that Kenny drove the Memorial and with the support of family, or am I wrong? :roll:
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MJ Will:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/willkids.png)
This new complaint:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/wdskids.jpg)
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
Is this the will that we have been seeing>? :shock: I know I know I am still in my straight jacket. I mean I was thinking about the will that Randy told CNN the names were misspelled.
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ok, so Mike had to take a medical examination to get an insurance that would benefit AEG, he passes this as a NASA-astronaut, yet he was heavily on RX and had a bad health.
Who let the rats out? :lol:
Unless the doctor who did the exam was payed by AEG to give him a clean bill to set everything in motion. I smell some dirty goings on here.
And why would the family file a wrongful death if this is a hoax, something is really wrong here folks,
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Although I dont' recall the source, I do recall reading that the health exam was partially completed & for some reason I believe I read it was to be either completed or updated when he arrived in london.
I also recall reading that the health exam was a paid off deal i.e Michael was not in the health as listed on the report.
I believe that Murray is doing exactly what he said in the beginning in his statement that the truth will come out.
It seems to me that AEG will be the biggest to take the fall for this & of course as seen, whomever was contracted with them. The nature of the beast of the legal system, so I'm not surprised to read any of this.
The issue I do disagree with is that if Murray insisted he need vital equipment in order to take care of Michael & he was obviously not supplied with same, then why continue? The only answers are IMO is money & perhaps Michael didn't realize the grave danger his life was in at that point?
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Although I dont' recall the source, I do recall reading that the health exam was partially completed & for some reason I believe I read it was to be either completed or updated when he arrived in london.
I also recall reading that the health exam was a paid off deal i.e Michael was not in the health as listed on the report.
I believe that Murray is doing exactly what he said in the beginning in his statement that the truth will come out.
It seems to me that AEG will be the biggest to take the fall for this & of course as seen, whomever was contracted with them. The nature of the beast of the legal system, so I'm not surprised to read any of this.
The issue I do disagree with is that if Murray insisted he need vital equipment in order to take care of Michael & he was obviously not supplied with same, then why continue? The only answers are IMO is money & perhaps Michael didn't realize the grave danger his life was in at that point?
I really do not understand how a cardiologist who does not carry with him a device so essential, low cost, small size and therefore easy to carry. :roll: :?:
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This really points to AEG being the bad rats in all of this.....
They threatened both MJ and Murray....do it our way, or the highway.
So MJ had no choice...if his health was really at risk, he would have died by doing all the 50 shows, or he would have been ruined if he didn't..
I see all the reasons clearly now, for having to fake his death, and I still believe Murray morally did the right thing and warned Michael about the risks of continuing this grueling regimen...it would have killed him anyway....That's why we need Murray to testify against AEG....soon and very soon we will see the king. ;) ;)
You are forgetting something pretty important... Randy Philips and Kenny Ortega, who both are in up to their necks.
"Thank you for taking me this far, I can take it from here."
No, there is somthing else up with it, need to think about it. If Murray is BS, if the death is BS, we can safely say that AEG being the bad guy is BS as well.
Yeah but, we don't know that MJ actually said this. We only know that Randy Phillips said that MJ said this. Do we have anyone else stating that these words were actually spoken by Michael?
:thinking smiley:
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I think this lawsuit document is a classic example of RBTL as with many of the documents we have seen throughout the past 15 months...here is just a few examples. I am sure there are LOTS more contained in it:
http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf)
page 6;
On June 18th 2009 Michael Jackson did not appear at rehearsals
But "somebody" must have turned up because later the suit says this:
Page 8:
When Jackson got to the rehearsal at the Forum .........on June 18 2009 at 9.30pm a few hours after the "Riot Act" meeting he was visibly shaken.............................and he was in no condition to say no to AEG. Witnesses present at that rehearsal confirm that Michael was not himself that day
Ohhh really...not himself???? ...so who was "he" then? if "Michael Jackson" did not turn up on June 18th 2009 for rehearsals as stated earlier.....someone did turn up at 9.30pm and perhaps the real Michael was already on that plane out of LA? Brings back memories of Jermaine's classic line: "Michael was not with us way before he went to the airport...umm..... hospital" . So how many number of days constitutes "way before" I wonder.......
Page 7, lines 40 and 41 are also interesting...the date of the "Riot Act" 18 June 2009 and the time 1:11pm AEG sent the letter to Dr Murray ...but then line 41 goes on to state that 1:11pm is the time Dr Murray received the letter.
111 from the Autograph code???
Funny they call it "Riot Act" in this suit. A "riot" of course can also mean something extremely funny and "act".. ..well of course acting!!!!
8-)
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Initial thoughts: this is a big stink of a show about an artist being worked to death by the industry. The part about the catalog being at risk I don't believe at all. No way do I believe Michael would let his catalog be at stake over a silly concert performance series, nor do I believe his lawyers would let that slip by either.
He didn't NEED to do this thing. He could have just released an album... or 6. Or a DVD. Or done a few paid interviews, documentaries, roll out the freak show, it's what they want to see. They'll pay for it. If he even needed money, which I don't believe either.
I'll sooner believe he died because he anesthetized himself to sleep every night then believe he put up the catalog as collateral to the likes of AEG... Not an option.
So this is a show. The media has condemned Murray and completely ignored the music industry's exploitation of entertainers, but the Jackson's won't let that happen without a fight.
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Katherine Jackson Sues AEG Over Michael's Death
26 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
...Here's what's interesting ... the lawsuit mistakenly lists Katherine Jackson as a Guardian ad Litem for Michael's 3 kids. Katherine is not a Guardian ad Litem -- i.e. the legal representative. Katherine is the guardian of the children. This mistake, along with the fact that Katherine's reps know nothing about the lawsuit suggests she is not actively involved in this case.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-j ... -contract/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/15/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-aeg-live-death-civil-lawsuit-breach-of-contract/)
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Posted August 11, 2009 12:16:00 PM
A Los Angeles judge has appointed a Guardian ad Litem to represent the interests of Michael Jackson's three young children.
Judge Mitchell Beckloff has named attorney Margaret Lodise of the firm of Sacks, Glazier, Franklin & Lodise, LLP, as the Guardian ad Litem for "Prince" Michael, Paris, and Prince "Blanket." According to the court, the children's grandmother, Katherine Jackson, will remain the Guardian of the Person for the children.
http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77431/index.html (http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77431/index.html)
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Did you notice "Randy Phillips" real name is Brandon......
That reminds me of Marlons speech....Mike, I want you to give my twin brother "Brandon" a big hug from me...
But seriously, Brandon Phillips has been donating money to the American Candidates..
Brandon Phillips
Political Campaign Contributions
2008 Election Cycle
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/ ... p?cycle=08 (http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/brandon-phillips.asp?cycle=08)
And this is the original contract that was signed by Michael with AEG..
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/defaul ... ntract.pdf (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/AEG%20contract.pdf)
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http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/18/michael-j ... nts-anchor (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/18/michael-jackson-jacko-dr-arnie-klein-arnold-dermatologist-vitiligo-child-jmolestation/1/#comments-anchor)
ehm :|
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This is the contract with AEG and Michael Jackson...fair bit to read, but worth it...this stood out to me:
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/defaul ... ntract.pdf (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/AEG%20contract.pdf)
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http://gracemj.wordpress.com/2010/06/17 ... g-hired-d/ (http://gracemj.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/breaking-news-after-murray-now-also-aeg-seems-to-have-their-part-in-michaels-death-contract-shows-murray-requested-for-a-heart-resuscitation-unit-and-a-medical-assistant-from-aeg-aeg-hired-d/)
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I can't seem to quote, but the one who went to Klein on 18 June is surely a double. See the hands.
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One website messed up! :lol: :lol: :lol: Or is this the only website that got it RIGHT! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's mother sues concert promoter AEG Live for fraud over singer's death
http://www.startribune.com/politics/nat ... c:_Yyc:aUU (http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/102949619.html?elr=KArksD:aDyaEP:kD:aUnOiP3UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU)
AND STRANGE! It's listed under the political section. :lol: :lol:
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I think this lawsuit document is a classic example of RBTL as with many of the documents we have seen throughout the past 15 months...here is just a few examples. I am sure there are LOTS more contained in it:
http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf)
page 6;
On June 18th 2009 Michael Jackson did not appear at rehearsals
But "somebody" must have turned up because later the suit says this:
Page 8:
When Jackson got to the rehearsal at the Forum .........on June 18 2009 at 9.30pm a few hours after the "Riot Act" meeting he was visibly shaken.............................and he was in no condition to say no to AEG. Witnesses present at that rehearsal confirm that Michael was not himself that day
Ohhh really...not himself???? ...so who was "he" then? if "Michael Jackson" did not turn up on June 18th 2009 for rehearsals as stated earlier.....someone did turn up at 9.30pm and perhaps the real Michael was already on that plane out of LA? Brings back memories of Jermaine's classic line: "Michael was not with us way before he went to the airport...umm..... hospital" . So how many number of days constitutes "way before" I wonder.......
Page 7, lines 40 and 41 are also interesting...the date of the "Riot Act" 18 June 2009 and the time 1:11pm AEG sent the letter to Dr Murray ...but then line 41 goes on to state that 1:11pm is the time Dr Murray received the letter.
111 from the Autograph code???
Funny they call it "Riot Act" in this suit. A "riot" of course can also mean something extremely funny and "act".. ..well of course acting!!!!
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Great work here! I haven't had a chance to really look at it yet, but the children's names and Katherine as the Guardian Ad Litem are dead giveaways. Great, great work!
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Here's another one with the headline "sues AEG for fraud."
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=7670706 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7670706) ;)
And now this one...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ ... 0390.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/15/ap/entertainment/main6870390.shtml)
Oh goodness - google "AEG Live fraud" and look - hundreds of articles come up with the headline Katherine sues AEG Live for fraud. Of course, we've known this for months. ;)
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http://www.seattlepi.com/pop/1403ap_us_ ... _suit.html (http://www.seattlepi.com/pop/1403ap_us_jackson_concert_promoter_suit.html)
This article just says
LOS ANGELES -- Michael Jackson's mother sued a concert promoter Wednesday, alleging the company failed to provide life-saving equipment and oversee a doctor who was hired to look out for the pop star's well-being as he prepared for what were intended to be his comeback concerts.
Katherine Jackson's lawsuit was filed against AEG Live in Los Angeles County Superior Court. The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages.
The suit contends AEG and its agents told Michael Jackson the company would provide the equipment and hire Dr. Conrad Murray to care for him so he could perform at the concerts in London.
"AEG's representations to Jackson were false because in reality AEG was merely doing whatever it took to make sure that Michael Jackson could make it to rehearsals and shows and AEG did not provide a doctor who was truly looking out for Jackson's well-being and did not provide equipment," the lawsuit stated.
AEG spokesman Michael Roth said the company has not seen the lawsuit and had no immediate comment.
AEG Live President and CEO Randy Phillips said after Jackson's June 2009 death that Murray was enlisted to act as Jackson's personal physician and was to be paid $150,000 a month by AEG Live as the singer prepared for the concerts.
Jackson, however, died before signing the agreement. As a result, Phillips said it was not binding.
The suit also said AEG Live was responsible for the actions of Murray in the care of Jackson. Murray, however, was not named as a defendant in the lawsuit.
"At the time of his death, Michael Jackson was under the immediate care of a doctor selected by, hired by, and controlled by AEG; indeed AEG demanded and required that Michael Jackson be treated by this particular doctor to ensure that Michael Jackson would attend all rehearsals and shows on the tour," the complaint stated.
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death at age 50. Police said Murray gave Jackson an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.
Katherine Jackson, who is the guardian of the singer's three children, also sued on their behalf. Her lawsuit claimed Jackson's eldest son, Prince, suffered great trauma and severe emotional distress because he witnessed his father's final moments.
The lawsuit alleged that Jackson's agreement with AEG put him under immense pressure to complete the London concerts. The suit claims AEG would have taken over Jackson's share in a lucrative music catalog that includes songs by The Beatles, Aretha Franklin, Jackson and the Jackson 5, which was one of the singer's best assets after years of accumulating debt.
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Here's another one with the headline "sues AEG for fraud."
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=7670706 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7670706) ;)
And now this one...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ ... 0390.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/15/ap/entertainment/main6870390.shtml)
Oh goodness - google "AEG Live fraud" and look - hundreds of articles come up with the headline Katherine sues AEG Live for fraud. Of course, we've known this for months. ;)
A Fraud Lawsuit Under California Law
The various ways a victim can be defrauded are as limitless as the bounds of human ingenuity. But under California law, wrongful actions are generally characterized as civil "fraud" only under one of the following legal theories:
1. Intentional Misrepresentation. Probably the most common type of fraud is a false statement. But not every false statement is fraudulent. The elements of a claim for intentional misrepresentation are:
a. An intentionally or recklessly false statement of fact. Not every false statement is a false statement of "fact." Statements of opinion generally are not actionable. Sales talk, or "puffing" ("This is the best location in the county!"), is generally not actionable. However, if the defendant claims to be an expert or there are other reasons to expect that the victim would rely upon the defendant’s opinion as a statement of "fact," an opinion may be treated by the court as a statement of fact. Also, a statement need not be made directly to the victim. For instance, if the defendant made the false statement to a third person with the expectation that the statement would be repeated to the victim, the victim may have a valid claim for fraudulent misrepresentation.
b. Intention to defraud. If a representation of fact was intentionally false and a material part of the transaction (e.g., "this house does not have flooding problems"), it is likely the false promise was made with the intention to defraud the victim.
c. Reasonable reliance upon the false statement. The victim must have actually relied upon the statement to change his or her position (e.g., the victim would not have purchased the house if he or she knew the truth). The false statement need not be the only reason the victim changed his or her position, but it must be at least part of the reason. Also, the victim’s reliance on the false statement must be reasonable. If the victim knew or should have known the statement was false, the victim did not reasonably rely. The sophistication of the victim will play a role in determining whether his or her reliance on the statement was reasonable; e.g., a sophisticated real estate investor’s reliance on a representation about the qualities of a house may not be reasonable while an unsophisticated buyer’s reliance may be. Even an unsophisticated victim, however, "may not put faith in representations which are preposterous, or which are shown by facts within his observation to be so patently and obviously false that he must have closed his eyes to avoid discovery of the truth." Seeger v. Odell (1941) 18 Cal. 2d 409.
d. Resulting in damages. There must be measurable damages that were caused by the fraud. It is not enough that the victim was told a lie (e.g., "A famous movie star once slept in this house"); the victim must also be able to prove some type of damage resulted from the lie.
2. Negligent Misrepresentation. A claim for negligent misrepresentation is generally the same as a claim for intentional misrepresentation, except the victim must only prove the defendant did not have "a reasonable basis" to believe its statement of fact was true (as opposed to proving the defendant knew its statement was false). If the defendant’s false statement was both honestly made and based upon reasonable grounds, however, there is no claim. Punitive damages are not available for negligent misrepresentations.
3. Concealment. A claim for fraud may also arise if the defendant concealed or failed to disclose a material fact during a transaction, causing damage to the victim. The elements of a claim for fraudulent concealment are:
a. The defendant failed to disclose or concealed a material fact with an intent to defraud the victim.
b. The defendant had a duty to disclose. There is not always a duty to disclose facts during a transaction. If there is a duty, it generally arises in one of four different circumstances: (i) The defendant is in a "fiduciary relationship" (such as being a partner) with the victim; or (ii) The defendant took steps to hide important information from the victim (as opposed to simply failing to tell the victim); or (iii) The defendant disclosed some information to the victim, but the disclosed information is misleading unless more information is given; or (iv) The defendant is aware of key information and knows the victim is unlikely to discover that information. In addition, California laws may create a duty to disclose in certain transactions. For example, sellers of residential property in California generally are required to make written disclosures about the condition of the house.
c. The victim must have been unaware of the fact and would not have acted as he or she did if he or she knew of the fact.
d. The victim sustained damages as a result of the concealment.
4. False Promise. A claim of fraud may arise if a defendant entered into a contract and made promises that it never intended to perform. The elements of a false promise claim are:
a. The defendant made a promise.
b. The promise was important to the transaction.
c. At the time he or she made the promise, the defendant did not intend to perform it.
d. The defendant intended the victim to rely upon the promise.
e. The victim reasonably relied upon the promise.
f. The defendant did not perform the promise.
g. The victim was harmed as a result of defendant not carrying out his or her promise.
h. The victim’s reliance on the defendant’s promise was a substantial factor in causing the victim’s harm.
It is important to understand that a broken promise, alone, is not a sufficient basis for a fraud claim. More than a mere broken promise is required. The victim must also prove that the defendant did not intend to perform the promise at the time the promise was made. In practice, it is usually difficult to tell the difference between a broken promise and a promise made without an intention to perform. Courts generally look for circumstantial evidence to support a false promise claim (as opposed to a broken promise claim), such as the defendant broke its promise immediately after making it.
Characterization of a claim as fraud has many advantages to a victim; primarily, the victim may be able to recover punitive damages in addition to actual damages. Also, the measure of damages is generally more liberal under fraud and other "tort" theories, allowing victims a more complete recovery. But even if a wrongful action does not fall under the definition of "fraud," it still may lead to a valid legal claim. For instance, a broken promise - while not necessarily fraudulently - may still constitute a valid breach of contract claim. While punitive damages and emotional distress damages are generally not available for breach of contract in California, the victim still should be able to recover his or her monetary damages.
http://www.articlecity.com/articles/legal/article_1041.shtml
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If I'm not mistaken only the "victim" of fraud can sue for fraud but the "victim" is ya' know dead. :lol: :lol: :lol: Randy tweeted today that it was a "wrongful death" suit.
Six here, half dozen there, it's all bogus anyway as evidenced by the document in and of itself. ;)
We love you, Mike! And YES! We will be there! :D :D
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The named defendant Paul Gongaware caught my eye. He was Prince's tour promoter for Prince's 21 nights at the O2 in 2007 and was involved in distributing Planet Earth in the UK as a free covermount with The Mail on Sunday national newspaper. Gongaware was also involved with Prince giving free copies of Musicology to all concert goers during the Musicology tour in 2004.
We know that Prince is not an idiot and is not to be pushed around, and despite the media shoving the Michael Jackson/Prince rivalry story down our throats for ages, I'm quite sure Mike and Prince have a good relationship. If Paul Gongaware was not to be trusted, Prince would have warned Mike about him.
The same goes for AEG Live in general. Prince and AEG Live have worked successfully together for the Musicology tour in 2004 & 21 Nights at the O2 on 2007. Had Prince not been satisfied with AEG Live he wouldn't have teamed up with them again, and he would have told Mike to stay away from them.
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AEG to Murray: Go Pound Sand
11/17/2009 5:02 PM PST by TMZ Staff
AEG will not pay Michael Jackson's troubled doctor a penny, sources tell TMZ.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/11/17/1117_aeg_murray_ex-1.jpg)
As we first reported, Dr. Conrad Murray may sue AEG for $300,000 -- the money he claims he's entitled to under a contract he signed with AEG to provide MJ with medical services. But sources connected with AEG tell TMZ the contract was never signed.
We're told a contract was drafted but it required three signatures -- AEG, Michael Jackson and Dr. Conrad Murray. Sources say Dr. Murray signed the contract and sent it to AEG but neither AEG nor MJ ever signed it.
The contract, we're told, also said it expressly hinged on Jackson signing.
Sources say AEG is drawing a hard line. They will not pay Murray a penny.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/17/aeg-to-dr-conrad-murray-lawsuit-michael-jackson-london-concerts/
So there is no contract between AEG and Murray as it was never signed by AEG (nor Michael) that means that no contract was ever executed between the parties. All parties in a contract must agree to that contract by signing it; without a signed contract the parties haven't agreed to anything. To further validate that there is no contract between AEG and Murray, AEG never paid Murray anything, he is still owed the 2 months salary of $300,000.
This lawsuit seems to be created to fail...
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If I'm not mistaken only the "victim" of fraud can sue for fraud but the "victim" is ya' know dead. :lol: :lol: :lol: Randy tweeted today that it was a "wrongful death" suit.
Six here, half dozen there, it's all bogus anyway as evidenced by the document in and of itself. ;)
A wrongful death suit has to have a basis and in this suit the basis is fraud. This suit is saying that AEG had a contract with Murray to provide medical care so Murray is an employee and a representative of AEG. AEG knowingly did not provide the proper medical care as agreed to because they knew that Michael wasn't in good health, did not provide Murray with the proper equipment to care for Michael, and that AEG was more concerned about profits than Michael's health thereby putting him at risk and ultimately causing his death through their actions and inactions.
The victims are also those who depended on Michael; those he supported, his mother and children. His "death" would have caused them financial hardship and emotional harm.
Now this may be true but only if Michael is not alive...
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"The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."
:shock: 8-)
Amen 8-) ! The Music Industry wanted MJ Live
We wanted MJ Alive. We want the Truth!
God bless you all! MJ Lives! I love you, Daddy! xxxxxxxx
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If I'm not mistaken only the "victim" of fraud can sue for fraud but the "victim" is ya' know dead. :lol: :lol: :lol: Randy tweeted today that it was a "wrongful death" suit.
Six here, half dozen there, it's all bogus anyway as evidenced by the document in and of itself. ;)
A wrongful death suit has to have a basis and in this suit the basis is fraud. This suit is saying that AEG had a contract with Murray to provide medical care so Murray is an employee and a representative of AEG. AEG knowingly did not provide the proper medical care as agreed to because they knew that Michael wasn't in good health, did not provide Murray with the proper equipment to care for Michael, and that AEG was more concerned about profits than Michael's health thereby putting him at risk and ultimately causing his death through their actions and inactions.
The victims are also those who depended on Michael; those he supported, his mother and children. His "death" would have caused them financial hardship and emotional harm.
Now this may be true but only if Michael is not alive...
I'm not sure it's going to be a fraud case. AEG does have a contract with Dr. Murray as the assigned doctor. However in the initial contract AEG never agreed to supply the doctor with any equipment.
Instead they insisted that Michael not be permitted to receive medications from any other doctors(I'm fairly sure)other than Murray. This makes sense because AEG would not want to be responsible for a complex case in the event of a death.
In addition, when Murray sent the emails docs requesting the equipment, he only signed those the day before the death. AEG was still working out that portion of the contract 2 wks prior to the incident.
IMO the only way out for Murray is for his attorney to prove that Murray was forced to attend Michael without the medical necessities. Even then IMO Murray is guilty of misuse of corporate medications.
Murray and any other doctor that performs such acts must be held accountable dispite a contract. There is a moral obligation on the part of all doctors to first do no harm.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_complaint.jpg)
ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
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A question:
Believed that a mother would have carried this business in front of the courts if his son had not really died??
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A question:
Believed that a mother would have carried this business in front of the courts if his son had not really died??
Yes, absolutely. If any outcome of this whole shit will be accepted by the general public, it will be by a court ruling. I elaborated about the need of a court case several times before.
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ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
what do you mean?? Randy Phillip signed too..
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_complaint.jpg)
ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
what do you mean?? Randy Phillip signed too..
You didn't notice that according to the contract, "Michael Jackson" signed twice, and with two totally different signatures...?
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ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
what do you mean?? Randy Phillip signed too..
You didn't notice that according to the contract, "Michael Jackson" signed twice, and with two totally different signatures...?
yes I noticed that but you underlined "..was signed by randy Phillip and Michael Jackson..". I'm sorry that I didn't get what you meant..
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_complaint.jpg)
ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
what do you mean?? Randy Phillip signed too..
You didn't notice that according to the contract, "Michael Jackson" signed twice, and with two totally different signatures...?
yes I noticed that but you underlined "..was signed by randy Phillip and Michael Jackson..". I'm sorry that I didn't get what you meant..
No problem..!
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Thats the first thing I noticed too.....
2 totally different signatures....
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ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
It is odd that the two signatures for 1) Michael Jackson Company and 2) Michael Jackson are SO DIFFERENT! I wonder why that is? I know you sign slightly different sometimes but this is very different IMO>
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Ops sorry double post :oops:
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If, as said Souza, Murray Bs, death is Bs (I agree), AEG is the villain of the movie and Bs, ... I need a straight jacket! :lol:
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_complaint.jpg)
ORLY..? Hmmmmmm.....?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/aeg_contract.jpg)
It is odd that the two signatures for 1) Michael Jackson Company and 2) Michael Jackson are SO DIFFERENT! I wonder why that is? I know you sign slightly different sometimes but this is very different IMO>
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Oh let me throw this file in again, just in case you missed all the other times I posted it. This image contains signatures, supposedly Mike's, on official documents and letters. I numbered them, and made a list showing which signature appears on which document/letter:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/signatures01.jpg)
Full size image here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... ures02.jpg (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/signatures02.jpg)
1: Marriage license Lisa Marie Presley
2: The Chandler settlement
3: Letter concerning participation in project "The Way of the Unicorn/The Endangered Ones"
4: The will
5: Moonwalk
6: Passport issued in 1987
7: Letter firing John Branca
8: Letter to Diane Williams, cease and desist from signing for his certified mail
9: Letter to Judge Melville substitution of Tom Mesereau in place of Geragos
10: Passport issued in 1993
11: Drivers license
12: AEG contract signature "Michael Jackson"
13: AEG contract signature "The Michael Jackson Company LLC, Name: Michael Jackson"
14: Contract mayor city of Gary concerning The Michael J Jackson Performing Arts Center
After comparing these signatures, of which some differ significantly from others, the question remains:
WHO SIGNED WHICH DOCUMENT/LETTER, AND WITH WHICH INTENTIONS?
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Initial thoughts: this is a big stink of a show about an artist being worked to death by the industry. The part about the catalog being at risk I don't believe at all. No way do I believe Michael would let his catalog be at stake over a silly concert performance series, nor do I believe his lawyers would let that slip by either.
He didn't NEED to do this thing. He could have just released an album... or 6. Or a DVD. Or done a few paid interviews, documentaries, roll out the freak show, it's what they want to see. They'll pay for it. If he even needed money, which I don't believe either.
I'll sooner believe he died because he anesthetized himself to sleep every night then believe he put up the catalog as collateral to the likes of AEG... Not an option.
So this is a show. The media has condemned Murray and completely ignored the music industry's exploitation of entertainers, but the Jackson's won't let that happen without a fight.
Bec, I agree with you! This is Thriller II, the real life Thriller; it is a work of fiction, a work of Art, that is meant to change perception on previously accepted facts on the music industry and the media on a grand scale. The story of a great artist (the greatest) being worked to death by the music industry, the greed, the lies, judgement without proofs...etc. It is all in there!
Merge Fiction into Reality and you get a very large number of people wanting things to change!!!
Any good thriller needs intricacy, and the sudden naming of AEG, Klein, Kenny Ortega into the mix is bringing this intricacy into the plot. The various court filings and reporting via the media is a way to give a "validated" ("Credible") message to the masses and draw attention. ("This Is Not It" did not have sufficient "credibility" to really stir the masses but the message was very similar!)
This is Thriller ....... 8-)
With L.O.V.E
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Sorry if someone has already brought this up but on page 7 of Katherine's lawsuit (Complaint for Damages) it states:
On June 18, 2009 at 1:11 p.m., the very day of the "Riot Act" meeting at Jackson's house, AEG sent Murray yet another written confirmation of the existing oral agreement regarding his service to AEG...
That date and time are also repeated in the next paragraph.
June 18, 2009: 18/2=9, so a 9-9-9 and the 1-1-1
I haven't yet figured out how to do screenshots (plus I don't think my work computer is up to that sort of thing) but here's where I was looking:
http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/201 ... vs_aeg.pdf (http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2010/09/175671/et_jackson_vs_aeg.pdf)
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For me two different signatures mean two different person.
The real michael owning the company and the actor"double" Michael..
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The named defendant Paul Gongaware caught my eye. He was Prince's tour promoter for Prince's 21 nights at the O2 in 2007 and was involved in distributing Planet Earth in the UK as a free covermount with The Mail on Sunday national newspaper. Gongaware was also involved with Prince giving free copies of Musicology to all concert goers during the Musicology tour in 2004.
We know that Prince is not an idiot and is not to be pushed around, and despite the media shoving the Michael Jackson/Prince rivalry story down our throats for ages, I'm quite sure Mike and Prince have a good relationship. If Paul Gongaware was not to be trusted, Prince would have warned Mike about him.
The same goes for AEG Live in general. Prince and AEG Live have worked successfully together for the Musicology tour in 2004 & 21 Nights at the O2 on 2007. Had Prince not been satisfied with AEG Live he wouldn't have teamed up with them again, and he would have told Mike to stay away from them.
Not to worry.....Michael has worked with Paul Gongaware for many, many years. They go as far back as Michael and Kenny. You can see here that in 1997, Michael was Executive Producer and Paul Gongaware was Producer of this television broadcast of the HIStory tour. Credits start at 7:15 in the video. ;)
[youtube:216eudoz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzJLojjsmIg[/youtube:216eudoz]
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interesting. After almost no MJ news we got this load of stories. plz! Bam? Mike
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In addition to the television broadcast credits I posted above, you can see that Paul Gongaware was indeed Michael's Tour Manager for the HIStory tour....scroll down....close to bottom where credits are given for production.
http://www.michael-jackson-trader.com/t ... stour.html (http://www.michael-jackson-trader.com/tours/dangeroustour.html)
Production: HIStory Tour
Financial Coordinator: Rusty Hooker
Tour Coordinator: Sal Bonafede
Production Executive: Benny Collins
Production Manager: Chris Tervit
Tour Manager: Paul Gongaware
Assistant Tour Manager: Nelson Hayes
Stage Manager: Harold Jones
Set Construction by: Michael Tait
Legal Representative: Bert Fields
[For Greenberg, Glusker, Fields, Claman & Machtinger]
Business Management: Richard Sherman
[For Breslauer, Jacobson, Rutman and Sherman]
Tour Accountant: D.C. Parmet
Merchandise Accountant: Rich Thurber
VP of Communications, MJJ: Bob Jones
Public Relations: The Lee Solters Company
Tour Publicist: Bennett Kleinberg
Vocal Consultant: Seth Riggs
Creative Consultant: Bruno Falcon [Taco]
Production Coordinator: Caprise Arreola [European Leg] - later promoted to Tour Management Coordinator
Production Office Coordinator: Jody Ringel Calderon
Assistant to Mr Ortega: Diana Donaldson
MJJ Productions Staff:
Executive Administrator: Evvy Tavasci
Administrative Assistant: Rosemary Chavira
Personell Director: Grace Rwaramba
Director of Special Services: Miko Brando
Administrative Coordinator: Gary Hearne
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Sorry, above post is for Dangerous tour of course, not the HIStory tour. So they go way, way back to the early 1990s together. ;)
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The named defendant Paul Gongaware caught my eye. He was Prince's tour promoter for Prince's 21 nights at the O2 in 2007 and was involved in distributing Planet Earth in the UK as a free covermount with The Mail on Sunday national newspaper. Gongaware was also involved with Prince giving free copies of Musicology to all concert goers during the Musicology tour in 2004.
We know that Prince is not an idiot and is not to be pushed around, and despite the media shoving the Michael Jackson/Prince rivalry story down our throats for ages, I'm quite sure Mike and Prince have a good relationship. If Paul Gongaware was not to be trusted, Prince would have warned Mike about him.
The same goes for AEG Live in general. Prince and AEG Live have worked successfully together for the Musicology tour in 2004 & 21 Nights at the O2 on 2007. Had Prince not been satisfied with AEG Live he wouldn't have teamed up with them again, and he would have told Mike to stay away from them.
Not to worry.....Michael has worked with Paul Gongaware for many, many years. They go as far back as Michael and Kenny. You can see here that in 1997, Michael was Executive Producer and Paul Gongaware was Producer of this television broadcast of the HIStory tour. Credits start at 7:15 in the video. ;)
[youtube:3j90c9od]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzJLojjsmIg[/youtube:3j90c9od]
Thank you!
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Thank you!
No, thank you! For this wonderful forum where we can investigate, find and discuss the truth while the rest of world beLIEves in copy and paste journalism based on fake documents distributed via the internet, leaked and masterminded by the genius himself, of course. ;)
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When Katherine said that AEG did not make the team this exonerating Murray Murray of guilt, she is saying that AEG was "killed" to Michael.
I remember Quincy Jones said something like that Michael always did what he wanted and he had a diva attitude, then how is that Murray has provided drug risks Michael (being a very naughty boy) without the right equipment, he also said "Nobody is to blame for the death of Michael."
As I said before everyone passes the blame to another.
I find it odd that Michael has put into his catalog for a guaranteed concert .... suddenly everything is very confusing.
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Although I dont' recall the source, I do recall reading that the health exam was partially completed & for some reason I believe I read it was to be either completed or updated when he arrived in london.
I also recall reading that the health exam was a paid off deal i.e Michael was not in the health as listed on the report.
I believe that Murray is doing exactly what he said in the beginning in his statement that the truth will come out.
It seems to me that AEG will be the biggest to take the fall for this & of course as seen, whomever was contracted with them. The nature of the beast of the legal system, so I'm not surprised to read any of this.
The issue I do disagree with is that if Murray insisted he need vital equipment in order to take care of Michael & he was obviously not supplied with same, then why continue? The only answers are IMO is money & perhaps Michael didn't realize the grave danger his life was in at that point?
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can i ask? why would the doctor need special equipment and a nurse for a performer who was well? unless it was known that they were going to be doing something that would put him at risk. is it standard procedure for this kind of situation normally?
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Although I dont' recall the source, I do recall reading that the health exam was partially completed & for some reason I believe I read it was to be either completed or updated when he arrived in london.
I also recall reading that the health exam was a paid off deal i.e Michael was not in the health as listed on the report.
I believe that Murray is doing exactly what he said in the beginning in his statement that the truth will come out.
It seems to me that AEG will be the biggest to take the fall for this & of course as seen, whomever was contracted with them. The nature of the beast of the legal system, so I'm not surprised to read any of this.
The issue I do disagree with is that if Murray insisted he need vital equipment in order to take care of Michael & he was obviously not supplied with same, then why continue? The only answers are IMO is money & perhaps Michael didn't realize the grave danger his life was in at that point?
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can i ask? why would the doctor need special equipment and a nurse for a performer who was well? unless it was known that they were going to be doing something that would put him at risk. is it standard procedure for this kind of situation normally?
According to the complaint, it was AEG that selected & hired Murray. Dr. Murray is a cardiologist, so it makes sense that if he is going to attend to Michael exclusively(& considering previous health issues)that he also have any medical devices on board in the event a life threatening event arises.
My understanding is that it is not normal protocol to have a doctor contracted to assist a celebrity in order to insure they comply with a contract to perform.
Again, my memory isn't complete as I haven't been able to follow & or file all the details so far on this case. However I seem to recall a you tube interview with Randy Phillips stating that it was Michael that insisted Murray be his attending physician.
Also, this is the first time I've read statements revealing that Michael was shaking, incoherent & "not himself" & disoriented on the last rehearsal dates.
If this is true, then it goes hand in hand with what we've been stating previously, which is that many people purposely lied by stating Michael was fine.
I do want to say that this would only apply to those whom really knew Michael, versus some whom were working with him for the first time.
I'd like to see the actual document that Murray faxed back to AEG & of course I'd like to see the signature that AEG signed that particular document.
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Are there other examples of famous/important people who travel around with a personal physician? I Don't know if a defibrillator would be standard. Since MJ did have previous collapses and so-called drug concerns, I would think it might be. From my CPR course, it's the main if not only resussitating equipment, and it's so small.
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If AEG is the "bogeyman" of this story, then that would explain the use of doubles. Michael simply did not agree to some terms of the contract, the dissemination of the conference shows in the O2 in London and sent a lookalike... then gave up on testing and they (AEG) were forced to use doubles for the completion of the movie :?: :?: This that make sense?
If he noticed that they only wanted to profit, he should be make ready for them too.
Now Ortega is a surprise for me, it seems to be a true friend of Michael. Will only now discovered the whole truth? Jermaine said an investigation would... can be the first steps ...
We need a light :roll: :!:
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Brian J. Panish, released a statement saying, "The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."
8-)
Also, the picture was changed again , now into a video link:
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/16/091510-katherine-video-credit.jpg)
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Are there other examples of famous/important people who travel around with a personal physician? I Don't know if a defibrillator would be standard. Since MJ did have previous collapses and so-called drug concerns, I would think it might be. From my CPR course, it's the main if not only resussitating equipment, and it's so small.
Elvis toured with a personal physican. I don't however know that he was contracted to do so & I don't know if anything was ever mentioned regarding his physician requesting heart monitor equipment or defibs. It was mentioned of course that his physician was accompanying Elvis in order to provide him with script meds.
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If AEG is the "bogeyman" of this story, then that would explain the use of doubles. Michael simply did not agree to some terms of the contract, the dissemination of the conference shows in the O2 in London and sent a lookalike... then gave up on testing and they (AEG) were forced to use doubles for the completion of the movie :?: :?: This that make sense?
If he noticed that they only wanted to profit, he should be make ready for them too.
Now Ortega is a surprise for me, it seems to be a true friend of Michael. Will only now discovered the whole truth? Jermaine said an investigation would... can be the first steps ...
We need a light :roll: :!:
Anything is possible:)
The issue for me however is that Michael did sign the contract, unless of course & until someone can prove his signature to be a forgery.
If one believes that Michael did sign that contract, given the AEG could provide the largest area, which Michael apparently wanted, then it's entirely possible that he would agree to such a contract, which included the risks of his assets. (sorry for the long sentence)
Personally, I have always believed that Michael signed the contract believing he was to perform 10 shows & therefore did not foresee a risk to his assets.
With regard to KO, it is normal that he would be included in this suit because he was also contracted via AEG, so for me it isn't an issue of his friendship with Michael.
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And the doctor of Elvis was declared innocent.... 8-)
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After reading some of the statement of claim made by the Plaintiffs....to me it does not read like a legal document, it reads more like a story....terrible legal drafting in my opinion and I have been in law for over 30 years.
Also, as far as the signature page goes, people can sign personally and sign on behalf of the Company as well. However, if you actually read the sentence above the three signatures, it seems it was an agreement to negotiate a definitive agreement. What was written in the definitive agreement? Was this a copy and paste job?? seems rather odd that only that information is on the last page. It could be pasted onto another agreement. That is why sometimes lawyers number their pages in case of the signature pages being the only information on that page.
To me it does not read like a legal document... it reads more like a story or someone trying to get the proper facts out to the reader.
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And the doctor of Elvis was declared innocent.... 8-)
He was acquitted of criminal charges, but he did lose his medical license.
More info on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Nichopoulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Nichopoulos)
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But if I live Through Elvis this. That was of the life of this doctor actually, of that it lives, or to that he devotes himself?. :?:
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It's a bit too late to sue AEG and Kenny Ortega. There's something up here the man is simmering simmering what for Mike? We are waiting the time near boy? All of sudden lawsuits and lawsuits Harvey where the heck are u on vacation. He's with Michael haha you now Uncle Harvey Mike is da boss. :)
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On second thought ... makes no sense Katherine to process AEG now. A process must be documented and if the family was without contact with Michael, they would not know what was going on, agree?
So what makes sense for me is: Michael is suing AEG due to the mess of the 50 concerts ... maybe he has really been fooled, thinking they were only 10 shows and is now taking appropriate action.
Too good to be true, huh! :P
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Did anyone notice the "dream" motion footage on the video at TMZ? It's the same "Dream" motion footage we saw on Jackson Family Dynasty twice; and ONLY twice - Once when Jermaine was announcing the death at UCLA and the other time was when they were leaving the studio and wondering "what were they going to do without Michael."
Very, very odd indeed that this video of Katherine's interview with Jackson Secret Vault starts off with "dream motion" footage. ;) Keep it comin' Mike! We're lovin' it! :mrgreen:
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There's something up here the man is simmering simmering what for Mike? :)
Well, I guess there's a new album coming up.... 8-)
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(This is not the 1st time I talk about this)
2 questions;
-Why to choose a cardiologist and not a family doctor, i.e?
-Murray asked for equipment to assist MJ in case of an emergency. The equipment was denied. Is it a coincidence that MJ "died" as the result of a cardiac arrest that could have been avoided by having the proper equipment?
The negligence of AEG not providing a safe enviroment is the result of MJ´s passing.
MJ and show staff have been revealing in interviews that some shows in the past were dangerous and sloppy (in resume) for Mj and the rest of the workers.
Looks like MJ death was planned, in both ways, as a hoax and as the result of reality with all the consequences. Either way, MJ is gone.
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fraud
noun ˈfrȯd
Definition of FRAUD
1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : a trick
2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat
b : something that is not what it seems or is represented to be
From wikipedia about a fraud...
Fraud
In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual; the related adjective is fraudulent.
The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and also a civil law violation. Defrauding people or entities of money or valuables is a common purpose of fraud, but there have also been fraudulent "discoveries", e.g. in science, to gain prestige rather than immediate monetary gain.
A hoax also involves deception, but without the intention of gain, or of damaging or depriving the victim; the intention is often humorous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
Hoax
A hoax is a deliberate attempt to deceive or trick people into believing or accepting something which the hoaxer (the person or group creating the hoax) knows is false.
It is possible to perpetrate a hoax by making only true statements using unfamiliar wording or context. Many hoaxes are motivated by a desire to satirize or educate by exposing the credulity of the public and the media or the absurdity of the target. The hoaxes of Alan Abel, Chris Morris, and others satirize people's willingness to believe the media. Political hoaxes are sometimes motivated by the desire to ridicule or besmirch opposing politicians or political institutions, often before elections.
The word hoax is said to have come from the common magic incantation hocus pocus. "Hocus pocus", in turn, is believed to be a distortion of "Hoc est corpus meum" ("This is my body") from the Latin Mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax
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If this is a hoax, and I totally believe it is, then this TMZ article, like most if not all of the others, is almost certainly a part of it. I take everything I read these days with a huge pinch of salt (apologies to those who may not understand this weird English phrase!).
I'm sad that so many have been flung into panic and despair over this article. I'm sure it is nothing to worry about, and it may well simply be MJ putting a scary bit into this incredible production just to watch our reactions. Just my opinion!
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I am totally shocked that these legal documents are so easily available to us. All I did to find this document, was google search the lawyers involved, and then it had an option of current cases, and vuola....it was there for all to see.
My question is this....
Why are these private documents so accessible to the public??
Is this normal protocol???
Life support was to be supplied because AEG knew MJ was taking propofol at night, and a patient should always be monitored at all times.
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If this is a hoax, and I totally believe it is, then this TMZ article, like most if not all of the others, is almost certainly a part of it. I take everything I read these days with a huge pinch of salt (apologies to those who may not understand this weird English phrase!).
I'm sad that so many have been flung into panic and despair over this article. I'm sure it is nothing to worry about, and it may well simply be MJ putting a scary bit into this incredible production just to watch our reactions. Just my opinion!
I wouldn't be surprised if the MJ story wasn't the only hoax on TMZ. And all the others copy and paste without any verification... the will make themselves look like @sses :lol:
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In another thread I wrote that I'd read Leonard Rowe's book. I was drawn to it, not because Rowe is a laudable figure from what's out there in the press, but because he
use to work for Michael, was fired, and then called back to work for him (accordingly to Rowe), a few months before 6/25/09. I'm drawn to anything that continues to repeat this pattern of Michael re-employing people only months before that fateful day. That is more than a coincidence.
Ultimately, Rowe's book is about AEG and the racism of concert promoters. Weren't we discussing somewhere awhile ago that Murray's role is to expose all these jokers and ensnare them by any means necessary? So, is it farfetched to believe that Mrs. Jackson is helping Michael to do this and it's by design that on one end, she is suing AEG and Joe Jackson is on the other end suing Murray?
Then Murray's role is to ensnare everyone that Michael's trying to bring down including AEG and Arnie Klein. What if Michael married Debbie to get the information he needed about Klein the way MJ may have done with LMP to get the information he needed about hoaxes?
MJ's song Morphine, is a song to say, I see what you're doing with your demerol, etc.
Perhaps MJ learned what Arnie Klein was really about with his drug pushing, he wrote a song about it, and got even more info about him when MJ married Debbie...probably very damaging info...
And, what does Back say about Klein and others:
"What is relevant is the immense potential for blowback. And i'm not going down alone."
11/6/09
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt) ... ost2353379
Re: TMZ Live -- Dr. Arnie Klein ... Take Two
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Calm thy nerves.......
Arnie IS on the de-Klein
He's desperate and scared sh*tless
Because he knows it's just a matter of tImE.......
Tables are meant to be turned!
And lying backstabbers shall reap what they sow.
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What if Michael hired people back to help him ensnare others or to use their knowledge to carefully apply their expertise. Rowe may not be right about everything, but what if he's right about AEG and after telling Michael what he needed to know, Michael went into action against AEG...
Or as brilliant as Michael is, he already knew what AEG is about but Rowe was used to help get the word out after Michael's "death"
Excerpt from Rowe's book
---Later that night I received a call from Michael. It was now March 21, 2009. When I was talking him I noticed that he sounded like there was something on his mind. He ten asked me this question, “will you come and work with me?” He said, “I need you to oversee what AEG is doing and watch over my finances.” He then said, “Rowe, I have three children; I cannot come home from London with no money.” I asked him “what is your deal with AEG?” He said, “I do not even know what my deal is.” I told him that I would be honored to do that. He said, “I don’t know anything Rowe, about what is happening. I agreed to do only ten shows in London for AEG, but the next thing I knew they had sold out fifty.”
---Michael said, “there is no way I can do the shows with the schedule they have in place.” he asked me if I had Brother Michael’s phone number. Brother Michael was head of Michael’s security…
My Note, summary: MJ wanted Brother Michael to get a call with Randy Phillips, MJ and Rowe in order to change the concert schedule. Essentially, Phillips gave Rowe the run-around and he refused to meet with Rowe. To this day Randy Phillips of AEG insists that Michael agreed to perform fifty shows, but he has never produced a contract signed by Michael to prove it according to Rowe.
Rowe then tries and gets Joe to visit with Michael and help get him out of this mess and Joe agrees. Michael asks for meeting around 7:30 a.m. because he has to be on the road at 8:30 a.m. At this point in March 2009 Joe says he hadn’t seen MJ or talked with him in 3 years. At this time, it appears that MJ gets up and out of the house early and does not appear sickly or drugged out. Joe and MJ are happy to see each other according to Rowe…
---“I started to explain to him about some of the things AEG was doing that I had a problem with, such as the scalping of tickets and Michael receiving payment in US currency instead of British pounds. I also asked Michael to try and separate his business as much as possible from AEG. He seemed to understand everything; he also seemed to be in full agreement.”
---He then asked me if I brought the letter that I had told him I wanted him to sign. This letter was addressed to Randy Phillips of AEG and stated verbatim: “Dear Mr. Phillips, Please be advised that effective from the date of this letter (March 25, 2009) that Mr. Leonard Rowe is authorized representative in matters concerning my endeavors in the Entertainment Industry. All such matters concerning me shall be directed to Mr. Rowe, who shall act in my stead, until and unless I revoke this authorization. Please extend every courtesy to Mr. Rowe.” After reading the letter Michael observed that I left off something that he told me to include. He wanted me to oversee all of his finances. He hand wrote this on the ltter and signed it. (Rowe includes the letter in the book.)
On May 15, 2009, Randy Philips finally has a meeting that Joe and Katherine attend and they quickly call Rowe to get there and be present for it. A person by the name of Paul Gongaware is also in the meeting. He is an associate with AEG.
---“…As the meeting began, my thoughts of Randy Philips were confirmed. I had always known that he wanted to control everyone associated with Michael. His way of doing this had been with the AEG checkbook. He quickly asked me, “who is paying you?” I replied, “that is not your concern.”
---Joe took the floor first. He began by saying to Randy Phillips, “you all are not going to cheat Michael like you have done all of his life.”
---I told Michael that I was going to discuss the scalping of tickets in London by AEG as well as other unethical things that I felt had been done by them. I asked him if he had any objections to that. He said, “no, go right ahead.”
NOTE, my comment: Still no evidence of drug use mentioned or seemingly detected in any of MJ’s actions or demeanor.
---“This ticket procedure called scalping can be very lucrative for a concert promoter. When a promoter finds that he has a show in high demand he can pull a number of tickets before they go on sale… For example, if a promoter pulls one thousand tickets from the gold circle and sells them through an outside broker that he controls, for $500 each over face value, he stands to profit $500,000 per show. This of course is without the artist having any knowledge of our participation in the profit. Michael’s tickets were so much in demand that this was very easy for Randy Phillips and AEG to do. We had investigated and found that they had sold some of Michael’s tickets for much more than $500 over the face value of the ticket. AEG stood to profit millions, without Michael’s knowledge.
The reason they chose to pay Michael in US currency instead of pounds is because the value of the pound was worth almost 50% more than the value of US currency at the time. $1 million in British pounds was equivalent to $1.4 million in US currency. By paying Michael in US currency, AEG stood to profit $400,000 per show.
Having been a promoter for the past thirty plus years, it seemed apparent that Randy Phillips and AEG were planning to take advantage of Michael in London."
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When Katherine said that AEG did not make the team this exonerating Murray Murray of guilt, she is saying that AEG was "killed" to Michael.
I remember Quincy Jones said something like that Michael always did what he wanted and he had a diva attitude, then how is that Murray has provided drug risks Michael (being a very naughty boy) without the right equipment, he also said "Nobody is to blame for the death of Michael."
As I said before everyone passes the blame to another.
I find it odd that Michael has put into his catalog for a guaranteed concert .... suddenly everything is very confusing.
You make any excellent point. I was wondering why MJ would use his catalogue as a collateral to back the TTI concerts. Does anyone know if this is standard practice for an artist in the music injustry? Did not AEG court MJ in Sept or Oct 2008 to do the O2 concerts? Why would he have to use his own private investments or his money for the TII concerts?
Thank you in advance for your help. God bless you all. xx
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He was probably forced into doing it, because AEG wanted him not to pull out of the shows. It was like a warranty that he would go ahead with the concerts...or else. More like a threat...I haven't heard of it being dont the same way before.
I have to believe this was part of his greater plan. Crooks have to be caught in action. With MJ out of the way, the backstabbing bunch will be stung...
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Question,
If this case is won, and Michael were to return, would it be considered fraud?
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
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Question,
If this case is won, and Michael were to return, would it be considered fraud?
I don't think so....What they did to Michael was fraudulent, and especially if there was a conspiracy to Murder for his catalogue..If this is a more serious matter and MJ is in witness protection, then this is how the FBI will fish them out..
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Ahhh so it is here as well, thanks :)
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
The suit is a fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Elvis is a separate aspect of this entire tale. We have the "Final Shows", the different acts of the play, separate stories that are connected through Michael that bring the entire "picture" to the screens, the big screen, the TV screen and the one within our minds. Elvis is the one who came before, to pave the way, test the waters, sound the trumpet even.
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
The suit is a fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Elvis is a separate aspect of this entire tale. We have the "Final Shows", the different acts of the play, separate stories that are connected through Michael that bring the entire "picture" to the screens, the big screen, the TV screen and the one within our minds. Elvis is the one who came before, to pave the way, test the waters, sound the trumpet even.
so you are comparing elvis to john the baptist?
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
The suit is a fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Elvis is a separate aspect of this entire tale. We have the "Final Shows", the different acts of the play, separate stories that are connected through Michael that bring the entire "picture" to the screens, the big screen, the TV screen and the one within our minds. Elvis is the one who came before, to pave the way, test the waters, sound the trumpet even.
so you are comparing elvis to john the baptist?
No, I would have look up John the Baptists' story. I am not really versed on it, except for that he baptized Jesus.
Is there some commonalities that you are aware of, between the two, that you can share or do I go read up on that? :D
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WE KNOW IS A HOAX
WHAT IF...
MICHAEL "DIED"
AEG BUY THE STORY OF THE DEAD, MADE MEMORIAL, MADE FUNERAL... ALL AEG ... (FILMED HQ ;) )
THEY DO THE MOVIE, THE CD...
WHO IS PROFITING OF THE "DEATH"????
THE KIDS NAME´S ARE WRONG OR ARE THE TRUE NAMES?
PRINCE: MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR.
PARIS: PARIS-MICHAEL KATHERINE JACKSON
BLANKET: PRINCE MICHAEL JACKSON II
WHY BLANKET THE II IF PRINCE IS NOT CALLED PRINCE?
AND PRINCE IS MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR FOR US TO BUY THE STORY OF MICHAEL JOSEPH DEAD?
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
The suit is a fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Elvis is a separate aspect of this entire tale. We have the "Final Shows", the different acts of the play, separate stories that are connected through Michael that bring the entire "picture" to the screens, the big screen, the TV screen and the one within our minds. Elvis is the one who came before, to pave the way, test the waters, sound the trumpet even.
so you are comparing elvis to john the baptist?
No, I would have look up John the Baptists' story. I am not really versed on it, except for that he baptized Jesus.
Is there some commonalities that you are aware of, between the two, that you can share or do I go read up on that? :D
michael was obviously very much into symbolism.
serenity what will you do if michael never returns? i am sitting here with tears over you.you seem to want to much to find something that is missing .you seem to trust michael so much. won't you take just a little time to consider who michael trusted?
my most favorite part of the wizard of oz :o :shock: :evil: ;) is when glinda ask dorothy what she has learned and dorothy's answer " if i ever again go looking for my hearts desire i won't look any further than my own back yard. because if it isn't there i never really lost to begin with"
michael has been putting jesus right in front of your eyes for a very long time. can you imagine how distraught he would be to think that you couldn't take your eyes off of him long enough to see.
"just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel"
do you think he would have made this comparison if it didn't mean something to him?
i hope that i have not gotten too preachy on you.
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
The suit is a fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Elvis is a separate aspect of this entire tale. We have the "Final Shows", the different acts of the play, separate stories that are connected through Michael that bring the entire "picture" to the screens, the big screen, the TV screen and the one within our minds. Elvis is the one who came before, to pave the way, test the waters, sound the trumpet even.
so you are comparing elvis to john the baptist?
No, I would have look up John the Baptists' story. I am not really versed on it, except for that he baptized Jesus.
Is there some commonalities that you are aware of, between the two, that you can share or do I go read up on that? :D
michael was obviously very much into symbolism.
serenity what will you do if michael never returns? i am sitting here with tears over you.you seem to want to much to find something that is missing .you seem to trust michael so much. won't you take just a little time to consider who michael trusted?
my most favorite part of the wizard of oz :o :shock: :evil: ;) is when glinda ask dorothy what she has learned and dorothy's answer " if i ever again go looking for my hearts desire i won't look any further than my own back yard. because if it isn't there i never really lost to begin with"
michael has been putting jesus right in front of your eyes for a very long time. can you imagine how distraught he would be to think that you couldn't take your eyes off of him long enough to see.
"just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel"
do you think he would have made this comparison if it didn't mean something to him?
i hope that i have not gotten too preachy on you.
Actually, you misunderstand me. I am not looking for anything. I am trying to share what I already know. I am trying to help others understand what has already been revealed to me in July 2009.
For the truth to be believed it can not be told, it must be investigated and discovered for oneself, through discovery one comes to understand and through understanding one comes to believe.
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That is the one bid thing I don't get why out the catalogue up as collaterall I just don't buy that or did they slip that into contract he didn't see it I don't buy that either
it does seem strange that he would put up the catalog when that is the thing he has been so sure that everyone wanted.
was that the bait or was he in that big of a mess ?
Bait...because one must die to be the light of the world, to reveal the injustices and conspiracies, to awaken the masses to the truth, to be resurrected and change the world. ;)
how do the might the elvis parallels play into the aspect of the suit of katherine?
The suit is a fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Elvis is a separate aspect of this entire tale. We have the "Final Shows", the different acts of the play, separate stories that are connected through Michael that bring the entire "picture" to the screens, the big screen, the TV screen and the one within our minds. Elvis is the one who came before, to pave the way, test the waters, sound the trumpet even.
so you are comparing elvis to john the baptist?
No, I would have look up John the Baptists' story. I am not really versed on it, except for that he baptized Jesus.
Is there some commonalities that you are aware of, between the two, that you can share or do I go read up on that? :D
michael was obviously very much into symbolism.
serenity what will you do if michael never returns? i am sitting here with tears over you.you seem to want to much to find something that is missing .you seem to trust michael so much. won't you take just a little time to consider who michael trusted?
my most favorite part of the wizard of oz :o :shock: :evil: ;) is when glinda ask dorothy what she has learned and dorothy's answer " if i ever again go looking for my hearts desire i won't look any further than my own back yard. because if it isn't there i never really lost to begin with"
michael has been putting jesus right in front of your eyes for a very long time. can you imagine how distraught he would be to think that you couldn't take your eyes off of him long enough to see.
"just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel"
do you think he would have made this comparison if it didn't mean something to him?
i hope that i have not gotten too preachy on you.
Actually, you misunderstand me. I am not looking for anything. I am trying to share what I already know. I am trying to help others understand what has already been revealed to me in July 2009.
For the truth to be believed it can not be told, it must be investigated and discovered for oneself, through discovery one comes to understand and through understanding one come to believe.
ok
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After reading some of the statement of claim made by the Plaintiffs....to me it does not read like a legal document, it reads more like a story....terrible legal drafting in my opinion and I have been in law for over 30 years.
Also, as far as the signature page goes, people can sign personally and sign on behalf of the Company as well. However, if you actually read the sentence above the three signatures, it seems it was an agreement to negotiate a definitive agreement. What was written in the definitive agreement? Was this a copy and paste job?? seems rather odd that only that information is on the last page. It could be pasted onto another agreement. That is why sometimes lawyers number their pages in case of the signature pages being the only information on that page.
To me it does not read like a legal document... it reads more like a story or someone trying to get the proper facts out to the reader.
Shelby, with your legal background thanks for your take on the document. I agree, it didn't read like a legal document and the reason I say that is because I could understand it! It's like laying the story out for the average (non legal) person. Watching and waiting .....
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isn't it amazing the diversity of the people who are drawn to this thing? surely we are not all delusional fans :o ;)
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On second thought ... makes no sense Katherine to process AEG now. A process must be documented and if the family was without contact with Michael, they would not know what was going on, agree?
So what makes sense for me is: Michael is suing AEG due to the mess of the 50 concerts ... maybe he has really been fooled, thinking they were only 10 shows and is now taking appropriate action.
Too good to be true, huh! :P
That's a very good point AnaMarcia! Who would have been able to put so much detail into this document???? Who indeed!
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Also if he was in drugs and i doubth this too, also is posible they profit him to sign things while he was drugged... :(
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i hope that i have not gotten too preachy on you.[/quote]
Actually, you misunderstand me. I am not looking for anything. I am trying to share what I already know. I am trying to help others understand what has already been revealed to me in July 2009.
For the truth to be believed it can not be told, it must be investigated and discovered for oneself, through discovery one comes to understand and through understanding one comes to believe.[/quote]
Exactly! Nothing to look for, it's all here now... it's all going as planned
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Also if he was in drugs and i doubth this too, also is posible they profit him to sign things while he was drugged... :(
anyone have an idea of how hard it would be to drug someone without their consent?
also if there is the possibility of doubles does that have to mean that michael was the one using them?
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"I never gave any specific number other than “more than three”; but if you read all my posts, you will find that I myself did mention several specifically involved with the hoax: MJ, family, Conrad, Kenny Ortega, coroner, hospital, FBI, TMZ, etc. And there are many others (friends/celebrities) who may not have a direct role, and yet understand that it’s a hoax (much like us)."
TS said that in his post, Silencing the Critics, and $999 REwarD??? You bET
So Kenny Ortega is involved in the Hoax .. this demand is real? 8-)
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After believing that the document could be inaccurate, especially the catalogue part, I now have remembered that Louis Farrakhan said the same thing in his speech regarding the crucifiction of Michael Jackson... He says that MJ was in trouble a week before he "passed" and that his lawyer made a phone call to him needing "help". Have a listen.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfoEQQxHoZ8&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfoEQQxHoZ8&NR=1)
[youtube:1xj0gnzt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfoEQQxHoZ8&NR=1[/youtube:1xj0gnzt]
[youtube:1xj0gnzt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUi3GzeXUfU&feature=related[/youtube:1xj0gnzt]
[youtube:1xj0gnzt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5feabA0u1w&feature=related[/youtube:1xj0gnzt]
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I know this has all been said I am just agreeing :)
It does seem EXTREMLEY odd to start a law suit against AEG NOW after a year+
They should have been immidiatley sued along with Murray,especially since they were the ones employing him(IF it was all real which we all know it is NOT).
I also don't think if Katherine+the family had any suspicions surrounding Kenny O and his involvement that they would of had him give a speech at the memorial.He was also at the premier with the rest of the J brothers in October.I don't think my family would want my killers present at my send off tbh...
Everyone suspected the Dr,but Kenny was part of it back then,his whole involvement with AEG and TII isn't a brand new revelation,it's a massively delayed reaction.
The legal document-and I haven't been in Entertainment law for 30years like the person commented earlier but did take it as part of my Entertainment management degree- does not appear to read like it should,and as someone above me said,they can easily understand it,which most legal documents..no one who isn't in the legal profession does with ease.
The run down of events should read like a personal account of the event, a very detailed to the last detail account of what happened,the run up to,the event,and who was there,etc as I have my own law suit against a night club for breaking my wrist on my birthday in 2008 currently ongoing and my documents came through for me to sign,and it was my account more so written like facts than a story.
I also agree with the fact it would be in no way possible for the general public to obtain this so quickly and easily,this is a LEGAL document,it's not a napkin with some scribble on the back.It was only filed this week also,so there is 100% leaking going on...an just like TMZ.. strike again
Thanks for the videos above me,watching them now :)
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Also if he was in drugs and i doubth this too, also is posible they profit him to sign things while he was drugged... :(
anyone have an idea of how hard it would be to drug someone without their consent?
also if there is the possibility of doubles does that have to mean that michael was the one using them?
To answer part of this,not 100% sure as i've never tried it (lol)but I remember that Shipman serial murder case-also a Dr and he got all his patients to sign over to him their last will and test and leave him all kinds of money.People can be fooled very easily into thinking it's the right thing to do and more so if drugged and incoherent.His youngest victim was 41-so younger than Michael and nothing to do with age,here is a piece of that story:
"Lawyer Angela Woodruff, became concerned when solicitor Brian Burgess informed her that a will had been made, apparently by her mother (although there were doubts about its authenticity). The will excluded her and her children, but left £386,000 to Shipman. Burgess told Woodruff to report it, and went to the police, who began an investigation.the body was exhumed, and when examined found to contain traces of diamorphine (heroin), often used for pain control in terminal cancer patients.The police then investigated other deaths Shipman had certified,They discovered a pattern of his administering lethal overdoses of diamorphine, signing patients' death certificates, and then forging medical records indicating they had been in poor health"
Some of that sound familiar?Not exactly the same story...but similar.He was drugging them with heroin and making them sign their wills over to him,even though they were fake,he had been getting away with it for years.Think he murdered 218people+ in this way.
So the answer I guess is,if you know what your doing with a needle and drug bottle.....then you have the ability it incapacitate someone however you want.
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I honestly do not think it is strange to file a civil lawsuit in the time frame that the Jackson family did. Having said that, I am not saying that the lawsuit is not part of a hoax. When there are criminal charges pending, usually lawyers wait until the criminal charges are dealt with, this way any evidence that is used in the criminal trial can be used in the civil trial where the burden of proof is also less than the burden of proof in a criminal trial.
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I honestly do not think it is strange to file a civil lawsuit in the time frame that the Jackson family did. Having said that, I am not saying that the lawsuit is not part of a hoax. When there are criminal charges pending, usually lawyers wait until the criminal charges are dealt with, this way any evidence that is used in the criminal trial can be used in the civil trial where the burden of proof is also less than the burden of proof in a criminal trial.
like with o.j.?
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And I'm not a lawyer or anything, but isn't it normal procedure to gather enough evidence first, before you can bring someone to trial??
In other words, now that MJ is out of the way, the guilty can be caught in action, robbing the estate of its money, due to a fake will, or letting AEG simmer and see what they are really up to. MJ did say " I'll play with them for a while". (meaning AEG) I'll button up my shirt or jacket or whatever it is, I'll snap my fingers and then BAM !!!
These cases can take a long time. The Lawyers have to gather enough evidence first..
Just my thoughts....it's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo
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And I'm not a lawyer or anything, but isn't it normal procedure to gather enough evidence first, before you can bring someone to trial??
In other words, now that MJ is out of the way, the guilty can be caught in action, robbing the estate of its money, due to a fake will, or letting AEG simmer and see what they are really up to. MJ did say " I'll play with them for a while". (meaning AEG) I'll button up my shirt or jacket or whatever it is, I'll snap my fingers and then BAM !!!
These cases can take a long time. The Lawyers have to gather enough evidence first..
Are you referring to the criminal trial or the civil trial? In a murder case, there is not a statue of limitations in the US so all the prosecutors have to have is enough evidence to charge someone then the police can still work the case. In a civil case, a defendant does not have to answer questions about the civil case if they may be a part of a criminal case. Especially if it incriminates them in the criminal case, atleast that is my understanding. I am not a lawyer but my husband is a retired Federal Agent.
love and hugs to all
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I honestly do not think it is strange to file a civil lawsuit in the time frame that the Jackson family did. Having said that, I am not saying that the lawsuit is not part of a hoax. When there are criminal charges pending, usually lawyers wait until the criminal charges are dealt with, this way any evidence that is used in the criminal trial can be used in the civil trial where the burden of proof is also less than the burden of proof in a criminal trial.
like with o.j.?
yuppers :)
hugs and love
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karen924, thankyou for explaining that to me. I definitely didn't study law at school :lol: :lol: :lol: And it shows..
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And I'm not a lawyer or anything, but isn't it normal procedure to gather enough evidence first, before you can bring someone to trial??
In other words, now that MJ is out of the way, the guilty can be caught in action, robbing the estate of its money, due to a fake will, or letting AEG simmer and see what they are really up to. MJ did say " I'll play with them for a while". (meaning AEG) I'll button up my shirt or jacket or whatever it is, I'll snap my fingers and then BAM !!!
These cases can take a long time. The Lawyers have to gather enough evidence first..
Just my thoughts....it's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo
A civil suit is a lawsuit whereby the plaintiff claims that the defendant’s actions or negligence caused damages (losses and/or suffering). In a civil suit, no crime has occurred, per se, but some wrongdoing has been committed. Through a civil suit, the plaintiff seeks money from the defendant.
A civil suit is different from a criminal case. A criminal case is filed by the prosecutor charging an individual with committing a criminal act. If convicted, a criminal defendant can face fines, incarceration, and a variety of other penalties. If a defendant is found guilty in a civil suit, they are typically required to pay restitution to the aggrieved plaintiff. This money is intended to compensate the plaintiff for the damages they have suffered.
In a civil suit, the plaintiff must prove by a preponderance of evidence, that the defendant committed the acts in question. They must also show that the defendant’s actions or negligence caused the damages suffered by the plaintiff.
The burden of proof required in a civil suit requires that the plaintiff prove their version of the facts is “more than likely” to be true. This burden of proof varies greatly from the one required in a criminal case. A civil suit must be filed within a certain time period. This time period is called the statute of limitations. In most cases the statute of limitations in a civil suit begins at the time of the wrongdoing, though in some cases it begins at the time of discovery. A civil suit must be filed within that certain period of time for the claim to be valid. The statute of limitations varies by case and circumstance.
Generally, it is important for the criminal prosecution to proceed first, because a conviction in the criminal prosecution can help establish liability in the civil lawsuit.
If the time to file a civil lawsuit will run out before the end of the prosecution, the civil lawsuit may be filed while the prosecution is still pending.
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I don't know whether this video has been posted already...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 7#39209157 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39209157#39209157)
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http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf)
Starting with Page 2 of this document/FICTION story:
3. At the time of Michael Jackson’s death, Michael Jackson was in a contract with AEG that covered the production of a lengthy tour of live shows - the “This is It” Tour--featuring Michael Jackson.
That JUMPED out at me and said HELLO!
Why on earth would a REAL legal document word The This is It tour that way? With the hyphens like we see in TMZ articles and the quote marks emphasizing and drawing attention to that?
Then after trying to give this document the benefit of doubt on the chance it is legit, LMAO
This was the clincher for me to know from then on it is ALL RUBBISH and it is a work of fiction. The court papers only. ;)
From Page 5
26. Around the same time in early May 2009, AEG retained Dr. Conrad Murray (“Murray“) to be Jackson‘s personal “concierge“ physician and to exclusively treat Jackson.
Really? Highlight the name ("Murray") like that? Like how we say his name here, last name only. lol
So many of the sentences were repeated only in a different way but, it just kept regurgitating the same thing over and over.
I do understand that this situation is NOT a joke it is very serious and it is being used to EXPOSE the CROOKS.
That document told exactly what happened in a first person narrative, by their accounts of what went down.
So I am not dismissing the words but, I am calling this document B.S. and hilarious to read.
I really felt like I was reading pages from a work of fiction/Novel.
http://books.google.com/books?id=whzu2C ... &q&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=whzu2CkgLqIC&lpg=PP1&dq=moonwalk%20michael%20jackson&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false)
This document is riddled with clues.
Peace
The "riot act" is highlighted for attention, and the date of May 8th is noted in the lawsuit... what a terrible thing to be incorporated into effect on my b-day month and day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act)
United States
The principle of the Riot Act was incorporated into the first Militia Act (1 Stat. 264) of 8 May 1792. The act's long title was "An act to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions".
Section 3 of the Militia Act gave power to the President to issue a proclamation to "command the insurgents to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes, within a limited time", and authorised him to use the militia if they failed to do so. Substantively identical language is presently codified at chapter 15 of title 10, United States Code.
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In another thread I wrote that I'd read Leonard Rowe's book. I was drawn to it, not because Rowe is a laudable figure from what's out there in the press, but because he
use to work for Michael, was fired, and then called back to work for him (accordingly to Rowe), a few months before 6/25/09. I'm drawn to anything that continues to repeat this pattern of Michael re-employing people only months before that fateful day. That is more than a coincidence.
Ultimately, Rowe's book is about AEG and the racism of concert promoters. Weren't we discussing somewhere awhile ago that Murray's role is to expose all these jokers and ensnare them by any means necessary? So, is it farfetched to believe that Mrs. Jackson is helping Michael to do this and it's by design that on one end, she is suing AEG and Joe Jackson is on the other end suing Murray?
Then Murray's role is to ensnare everyone that Michael's trying to bring down including AEG and Arnie Klein. What if Michael married Debbie to get the information he needed about Klein the way MJ may have done with LMP to get the information he needed about hoaxes?
MJ's song Morphine, is a song to say, I see what you're doing with your demerol, etc.
Perhaps MJ learned what Arnie Klein was really about with his drug pushing, he wrote a song about it, and got even more info about him when MJ married Debbie...probably very damaging info...
And, what does Back say about Klein and others:
"What is relevant is the immense potential for blowback. And i'm not going down alone."
11/6/09
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt) ... ost2353379
Re: TMZ Live -- Dr. Arnie Klein ... Take Two
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Calm thy nerves.......
Arnie IS on the de-Klein
He's desperate and scared sh*tless
Because he knows it's just a matter of tImE.......
Tables are meant to be turned!
And lying backstabbers shall reap what they sow.
Your so hitting the nail on the head.
I have noticed this theme as well and had drawn a conclusion...
Mike knows his enemies and lured them with the one thing he KNOWS backstabbers wont turn down and they will do ANYTHING FOR MONEY!
Don't let the RIGHT HAND know what the LEFT HAND is doing.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
The best way to take down your enemy is to infiltrate them and become one of them.
Deep Undercover
Smooth Criminal 8-)
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WE KNOW IS A HOAX
WHAT IF...
MICHAEL "DIED"
AEG BUY THE STORY OF THE DEAD, MADE MEMORIAL, MADE FUNERAL... ALL AEG ... (FILMED HQ ;) )
THEY DO THE MOVIE, THE CD...
WHO IS PROFITING OF THE "DEATH"????
THE KIDS NAME´S ARE WRONG OR ARE THE TRUE NAMES?
PRINCE: MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR.
PARIS: PARIS-MICHAEL KATHERINE JACKSON
BLANKET: PRINCE MICHAEL JACKSON II
WHY BLANKET THE II IF PRINCE IS NOT CALLED PRINCE?
AND PRINCE IS MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR FOR US TO BUY THE STORY OF MICHAEL JOSEPH DEAD?
that is exactly what stood out for me in this lawsuit!Randy said the will was fake didnt he? are these not how the children's names appear on the fake will
what i want to know is that if these are not the children's legal names then does that mean the lawsuit is not legit? can it be used in court at all? why would Katherine not use the real names of her grandchildren?
are we having another Joseph/ Joe situation? :mrgreen:
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@Iamconvincedmjalive - yes putting Murray in quotes is not the normal procedure for court docs. They usually refer to the Plaintiff or Defendant, and that is usually stated in the Style of Cause (which shows the parties and court action)... it is there where it is defined and so throughout the brief, the parties are referred to as Plaintiff or Defendant, as the case may be. However, in other cases, usually when documents are drafted which are non-litigious, parties can be referred to as "Murray" or "Jackson", for example in any entertainment contract or business contract parties are referred to as whatever the lawyer chooses to make it simplistic enough....other language you see generally is in leases where the parties are referred to as "landlord" or "lessor" and "tenant" or Lessee".
I am not sure who drafted these pleadings but I sure hope it isn't a lawyer because it is atrocious drafting and not at all a typically highly paid lawyer would do. I would expect that the Jacksons would hire the best for this case and it is obvious they have not lol. :shock:
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@Iamconvincedmjalive - yes putting Murray in quotes is not the normal procedure for court docs. They usually refer to the Plaintiff or Defendant, and that is usually stated in the Style of Cause (which shows the parties and court action)... it is there where it is defined and so throughout the brief, the parties are referred to as Plaintiff or Defendant, as the case may be. However, in other cases, usually when documents are drafted which are non-litigious, parties can be referred to as "Murray" or "Jackson", for example in any entertainment contract or business contract parties are referred to as whatever the lawyer chooses to make it simplistic enough....other language you see generally is in leases where the parties are referred to as "landlord" or "lessor" and "tenant" or Lessee".
I am not sure who drafted these pleadings but I sure hope it isn't a lawyer because it is atrocious drafting and not at all a typically highly paid lawyer would do. I would expect that the Jacksons would hire the best for this case and it is obvious they have not lol. :shock:
Of course! *face-palm* shelby61 and Imconvincedmjalive, great posts!
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Looking coldly, it may be that AEG would make Michael incapable of achievement, linking him to drugs (and thus take advantage of its properties - the catalog, mostly). Maybe that's what Peter Lopez meant when he said: "It was not to happen this way" (or something along those lines). MJ should end up in hospital due to an overdose, but something "wrong" and accidentally killed her? :? :roll: :?: It seems there is a deception or concealment of any kind. I do not know what to think right about one thing or another ... but I know I want to know the truth, whatever.
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There's something up here the man is simmering simmering what for Mike? :)
Well, I guess there's a new album coming up.... 8-)
Excellent observation! Thank you and God bless you for sharing! :D
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Im_convincedmjalive...Great break down of document.I noticed on page 6 the address as 100 Carolwood Way.Shouldn't it be 100 Nth Carolwood Drive.I would think something like the address would have to be 100% correct,and definitely proof read after its completion as it is meant to be a legal document. Also the word tour is emphasised with a capital T everywhere,which looks quite odd.Its as if it was done on purpose to draw attention to it.Cheers xxxooo.
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The thing that's bugging me about this lawsuit is that we were only shown a heavily redacted contract between AEG and Michael Jackson, but so far I still haven't seen the signed rider that MUST accompany the contract, otherwise the contract is not valid at all.
The rider is the most important part of a gig contract, without a signed rider there's not gonna be a gig at all.
I'm really curious as to how AEG knew what the measurements of the required stage were, who was gonna provide the stagehands, what kind of PA was going to be used, where the mixer would have been placed, what kind of power supply was needed, how many dressing rooms were required, what was needed for catering, etcetera etcetera etcetera if there was no rider. Without knowing about and agreeing on these details and many more, there is not going to be a show at all, period.
So...
Where is that rider..?
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WE KNOW IS A HOAX
WHAT IF...
MICHAEL "DIED"
AEG BUY THE STORY OF THE DEAD, MADE MEMORIAL, MADE FUNERAL... ALL AEG ... (FILMED HQ ;) )
THEY DO THE MOVIE, THE CD...
WHO IS PROFITING OF THE "DEATH"????
THE KIDS NAME´S ARE WRONG OR ARE THE TRUE NAMES?
PRINCE: MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR.
PARIS: PARIS-MICHAEL KATHERINE JACKSON
BLANKET: PRINCE MICHAEL JACKSON II
WHY BLANKET THE II IF PRINCE IS NOT CALLED PRINCE?
AND PRINCE IS MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR FOR US TO BUY THE STORY OF MICHAEL JOSEPH DEAD?
Blanket is named Prince Michael Jackson II after Katherine's dad (i believe, but may be wrong). Prince Michael I is on Katherine's side....and Michael named his 3rd child after him...making the child Prince Michael II
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I have read through the complaint and came across some words that were used quite frequently which really isn't odd since this is a 'legal' document but what is odd are the words themselves. Below are the 5 causes of actions and the wording(s) that I found:
Page 4:
Defendants DOES 1-100 are currently unkown to Plaintiffs at this time and Plaintiffs reserve the right to add them as defendants as their identity and culpability becomes known.
Pages 9 - 12:
FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION: BREACH OF CONTRACT BASED AND OTHER DUTIES OF CARE is againt AEG and DOES 1-75.
was threatened that if he did not comply
physical inuries
The AEG defendants and DOES 1-75 were involved in a civil conspiracy to commit these wrongs against Michael Jackson.
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Pages 13 and 14:
SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION: NEGLIGENT HIRING, TRAINING, AND SUPERVISION against AEG and DOES 1-75
The Second Cause of Action is againt......and DOES 1-75.
receive no treatment from other physicians
specifically requested a full-time nurse and Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation equipment for the treatment of Jackson
The AEG defendants and DOES 1-75 were involved in a civil conspiracy to commit these wrongs against Michael Jackson.
physical injuries
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Pages 14 and 15:
THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION: FRAUD and CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD as against AEG and DOES 1-75
The Third Cause of Action is againtst..............and DOES 1-75
June 18th as well as at other dates and times.
injured
The AEG defendants and DOES 1-75 were involved in a civil conspiracy to commit these wrongs against Michael Jackson.
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FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION: NEGLIGENT INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS (DILLON V. LEGG) against AEG and DOES 1-75
The Fourth Cause of Action is brought by...as against AEG Live.....and DOES 1-100
being injured
injured
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FIFTH CAUSE OF ACTION: RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR AS AGAINST AEG and DOES 1-100 FOR MURRAY'S NEGLIGENCE)
The Fifth Cause of Action is against AEG Live.......and DOES 1-100.
physical injuries
to treat Jackson's insomnia on an outpatient basis
The AEG defendants, Murray, and DOES 1-100 were involved in a civil conspiracy to commit these wrongs against Michael Jackson.
physical injuries
So what words do we have and how many times are they repeated?
4 physical injuries
3 injured
4 civil conspiracies
1 threatened
1 outpatient basis to treat insomnia
1 request for nurse and equipment
1 no treatment from other physicians
1 defendants, Murray and DOES 1-100
3 defendants, Murray and DOES 1-75
3 causes of actions listing DOES 1-75
2 causes of actions listing DOES 1-100
1 June 18 as well as other dates and times
As I was looking at these words I'm asking myself what is physical injuries doing in this complaint? Michael did not 'die' of any physical injuries - he died of acute propofol overdose. However broken bones and burns would be considered physical injuries and what does one take for the pain that goes along with these injuries? Prescription medications. I think this complaint is telling us Michaels life and how/why the King Of Pop/Michael Jackson died on June 25th, 2009.
Another part of this that caught my eye were the words civil conspiracy:
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/conspiracy/ (http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/conspiracy/)
Conspiracy Law & Legal Definition
Conspiracy is a separate offense, by which someone conspires or agrees with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another federal crime or offense. It is an agreement or a kind of partnership for criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member. It is not necessary to prove that the criminal plan actually was accomplished or that the conspirator was involved in all stages of the planning or knew all of the details involved. The main elements that need to be proven are a voluntary agreement to participate and some overt act by one of the conspirators in furtherance of the criminal plan. If a person has an understanding of the unlawful nature of a plan and knowingly and willfully joins in that plan on one occasion, that is sufficient to convict him for conspiracy even though he had not participated before and even though he played only a minor part. A conspiracy may exist when the parties use legal means to accomplish an illegal result, or to use illegal means to achieve something that in itself is lawful.
Wheel and chain conspiracies are two types of conspiracies described in prosecuting offenders. A chain conspiracy involves parties linked together in a linear fashion. Typical drug or firearm smuggling organizations are chain conspiracies. It may consist of a series of drug deals, from manufacturer to the street dealer. In a wheel conspiracy, the ringleader is the "hub" and subsidiary parties are the "spokes". It is generally easier for prosecution to prove that a "chain" constituted a single conspiracy than it is to prove that a "wheel" was a single organization.
Ok so now we may have the root of this complaint - the people who kept Michael supplied with the drugs to keep him under control and they, in my opinion are represented by the DOES 1-100 AND DOES 1-75 that are mentioned repeatedly in the complaint.
And what does DOES mean?
Criminal Complaint
A criminal complaint charges the person named or an unknown person with a particular offense. For example, after the bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, authorities issued a john doe complaint, charging an unknown person or persons with the crime.
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Let's look a little closer at the earlier years, the tours and how they fit in with This Is It and the complaint and also keep in mind the accusations and the trial:
Bad tour dates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_World_Tour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_World_Tour)
Start date September 12, 1987
End date January 27, 1989
The tour, sponsored by Pepsi
***Similarities between the Bad tour and TII:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_World_Tour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_World_Tour)
http://www.michael-jackson-trader.com/b (http://www.michael-jackson-trader.com/b) ... rs.htmlThe Michael Jackson
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/200 (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/200) ... erts_N.htm
1. The Bad World Tour was the first solo concert tour by Michael Jackson = This Is It was Michael's first concert in 12 years, kind of like being his first all over again.
2. On September 12, 1987 Michael kicked off his first ever solo tour at the Korakuen-Stadium (meanwhile known as Tokyo Dome) in Tokyo, Japan. = the O2 was known as the Millenium Dome.
3. Michael had invited the magicians Siegfried and Roy to create illusions for his "Bad" tour and, in return, wrote a special number, "Mind Is The Magic", to open their show at the Mirage Hotel in Las Vegas = Michael hired Ed Alonzo, the "Misfit of Magic" 6 weeks prior to his 'death'.
4. Before the tour even kicked off, new costumes and stage effects were in production for the second leg. This was due to the lack of preparation time Jackson had = In the movie it is stated new costumes and effects were in the making and the shows got pushed back because of time!
5. Tickets for the concert could not be purchased at regular box offices, as a special lottery system determined ticket receivers = The Memorial had a lottery for the tickets
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Dangerous tour dates:
Start date June 27, 1992
End date November 11, 1993
The tour, sponsored by Pepsi-Cola
***Similarities between the Dangerous tour and Katherines complaint:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_World_Tour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_World_Tour)
During the tour's third leg in 1993, Jackson decided to end the tour due to, as he announced, illness which ultimately resulted in hospitalization. Jackson had become dependent on painkillers and suffered from dehydration, migraines, back aches, frequent ankle injuries and stress.
but due to pressure as a result of the child abuse accusations (which were generating huge media and press attention), as well as various health problems and injuries, Jackson ended the tour in Mexico.
It is speculated that Jackson began taking Valium, Xanax and Ativan (known as lorazepam (this is listed in the autopsy report) in the UK) to deal with the stress of the accusations made against him. By the fall of 1993, Jackson became addicted to pain killers, and went into drug rehabilitation for a few months.
***Now here are the similarities between the Dangerous tour and This Is It:
The tour also incorporated several stage illusions.
Each concert also began with a illusion-like stunt dubbed "the Toaster"
Jackson sold the film rights to his concert in Bucharest on October 1, 1992 to HBO for $21 million.
In 2004, the concert was released on DVD as part of Jackson's Ultimate Collection box set.
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History tour dates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory_World_Tour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory_World_Tour)
Start date September 7, 1996
End date October 15, 1997
50 June 18, 1997 Milan Italy San Siro 90,000
The birth of Kingdom International, a joint venture between Jackson and HRH Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the nephew of the Fahd bin Abdul Aziz, the King of Saudi Arabia from 1982 to 2005, was announced at a press conference held at the Palais des Congres in Paris, France on 19 March 1995.
It was then announced that Jackson would embark on his third solo world tour.
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For me the three tours show a connection with injuries, drugs, the movie and a connection with powerful organizations (Pepsi and the King of Saudi Arabia).
Notice under the causes in the complaint it lists either AEG and DOES 1-100 or AEG and DOES 1-75. How can they list under a cause the number of DOES? I bet they do know who these DOES are and that is the trial that we will be seeing. My guess is that Murray is represented but as one of the DOES and not as Conrad Murray and AEG represents the big guys who were behind all of this.
MICHAEL WE LOVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT AND WE WILL BE HERE NO MATTER WHAT!
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Iamhere4MJ, are you a beLIEver, that MJ is alive and hoaxed his death? Thanks for all your info and perspective.
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physical injuries
So what words do we have and how many times are they repeated?
4 physical injuries
3 injured
4 civil conspiracies
1 threatened
1 outpatient basis to treat insomnia
1 request for nurse and equipment
1 no treatment from other physicians
1 defendants, Murray and DOES 1-100
3 defendants, Murray and DOES 1-75
3 causes of actions listing DOES 1-75
2 causes of actions listing DOES 1-100
1 June 18 as well as other dates and times
To me, once I read the AR, came to my mind that we are seeing an event that happened backwords, in the past.
Injury, cause by the police btw.
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/12/28/image590405g.jpg)
Also, I am sure that the last trials made MJ depressed and unable to sleep--->leading may be to the use of pain killers and sleeping tablets?
In either way, the last trial destroyed him.
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physical injuries
So what words do we have and how many times are they repeated?
4 physical injuries
3 injured
4 civil conspiracies
1 threatened
1 outpatient basis to treat insomnia
1 request for nurse and equipment
1 no treatment from other physicians
1 defendants, Murray and DOES 1-100
3 defendants, Murray and DOES 1-75
3 causes of actions listing DOES 1-75
2 causes of actions listing DOES 1-100
1 June 18 as well as other dates and times
To me, once I read the AR, came to my mind that we are seeing an event that happened backwords, in the past.
Injury, cause by the police btw.
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/12/28/image590405g.jpg)
Also, I am sure that the last trials made MJ depressed and unable to sleep--->leading may be to the use of pain killers and sleeping tablets?
In either way, the last trial destroyed him.
There was only ONE trial...the previous accusations never made it to court.
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oopps, one s got on the way during my post, but at the end I said ;) :
In either way, the last trial destroyed him.
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Iamhere4MJ, are you a beLIEver, that MJ is alive and hoaxed his death? Thanks for all your info and perspective.
Yes, I believe that Michael is alive and yes this hoax was planned. We may have lost the King Of Pop but we didn't lose Michael. God Bless Joseph and Katherine.
Love you Michael!
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Imhere4mj HI!! So glad to see you here.
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Imhere4mj HI!! So glad to see you here.
Hello Gina! :D Good to be here.
Love you Michael!